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Oh, plenty of things happen in the real world, but no one really cares because they are in Africa or Asia.

Quoting Chairman Ham
So according to Nick, we cna just go around breaking agreements now, right? So that means the First Fleet can now take Guyana. We had secret negotiations going on, but they were at best going slow. So marines have deployed now. Taken completely by surprise(Attack was coordinated between guard shifts), we made good progress taking in consideration our troop number. Later, the rest of the force landed, along with air support. Estimates are as originally planned.

Still fighting in Iceland.


Nick broke it because Cliffe broke it, so he claims. Thus, your actions are legal.

In Italy, we've deployed the MT-1/AGMS-3 tanks we've built under license from the Pacific Empire as our artillery, their long range and indirect fire capabilities will prove useful for the upcoming long battles in the hills of the southern regions. Also, our AA-vehicles, built under license from the Pacific Empire as well, has been paired with infantry and tank divisions securing the area we took last night in a daring surprise-blitzkrieg on the unknowing Italians.
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| June 9, 2010, 4:55 pm
I bring good news from the fronts. We are slowly inching our way into Austin. We've taken towns in the western half of the state like San Angelo, Abilene, Lubbock, Amarillo, and there are even some reports of up to as far as San Antonio, which is very close to Austin. Are numbers are in the hundred thousands, and reportedly we have broken the million mark. We have also gotten a hold of some Iraq war technology and are utilizing it.
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| June 9, 2010, 6:31 pm
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Several clandestine patrols were sent some 50 miles ahead (due northeast) of the amphibious landing forces to scout enemy defenses and advances. It seems two columns of armoured regiments are attempting to reach the French pinch by heading for the Franco-Italian border and to the NW coasts were the landing took place. However, it seems they are preparing for defeat as reinforcements pour into Parma, Mantova, and Milan. The goal now is to link the two beachheads and begin pushing west. The forces near the border are still under heavy engagement by helicopter patrols armed with AP and AT munitions. Paratroopers are planned to be fly near the Swiss border and then discharge between the cities of Varese and Como. This should draw off some of the advancing Italian reinforcements and grant a small time frame to conclude a decisive victory. Hopefully in the coming days, allied armour units can capture the pocket-town of Turin as to create a single command objective there and two-way supply routes between the pincers. If possible, France is asking if a Marine Task Force can sail through Roman waters to conduct a secondary invasion near Ravenna. This lead to a faster conclusion with minimal effort.
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| June 9, 2010, 6:36 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
I bring good news from the fronts. We are slowly inching our way into Austin. We've taken towns in the western half of the state like San Angelo, Abilene, Lubbock, Amarillo, and there are even some reports of up to as far as San Antonio, which is very close to Austin. Are numbers are in the hundred thousands, and reportedly we have broken the million mark. We have also gotten a hold of some Iraq war technology and are utilizing it.

How does one a mass a million man army in one day and take several square miles of PCU land, in the same 24 hour period. I sent AC-130s and other planes over Texas last night. I sense a cheek being turned.


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| June 9, 2010, 6:37 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
I bring good news from the fronts. We are slowly inching our way into Austin. We've taken towns in the western half of the state like San Angelo, Abilene, Lubbock, Amarillo, and there are even some reports of up to as far as San Antonio, which is very close to Austin. Are numbers are in the hundred thousands, and reportedly we have broken the million mark. We have also gotten a hold of some Iraq war technology and are utilizing it.

There's no way you grabbed all the land, IN ONE DAY. The PCU still has a presence there, via HAT-1s. I'll send them, but they won't be reported due to massive inabilities that I am seeing.
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| June 9, 2010, 6:38 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
If possible, France is asking if a Marine Task Force can sail through Roman waters to conduct a secondary invasion near Ravenna. This lead to a faster conclusion with minimal effort.


You have our approval, our ships hold the straits between Italy and the Balkans. We're expecting an Italian counter-attack there soon, which is why we're curious if the Egyptians will hold up to their pledge of support in naval matters.

Speaking of counter-attacks, the Italians struck back at Andria, thus we've pulled our forces up from the coastal areas south of it to deal with them. We're still unloading equipment in the area, the outcome of the attack will not be clear for some time, as our reinforcements from across the sea arrive and the Italians themselves arrive.
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| June 9, 2010, 6:43 pm
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The Governator of PCU is sensing great uprest in the leadership of this group. How come the Texas Rebellion has amassed a million members and taken several miles of territory AND GAINED IRAQ WAR EQUIPMENT, yet I am only now getting the information. This is what troubles me.
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| June 9, 2010, 6:48 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
There's no way you grabbed all the land, IN ONE DAY. The PCU still has a presence there, via HAT-1s. I'll send them, but they won't be reported due to massive inabilities that I am seeing.

Nick, we're not an army. We have people, everywhere. All over. Somebody could just lay a FEW IEDs to take out a HAT-1. Surely you do not have such a strong presence that couldn't be overpowered by a hundred thousand Texans with guns.
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| June 9, 2010, 6:51 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
Nick, we're not an army. We have people, everywhere. All over. Somebody could just lay a FEW IEDs to take out a HAT-1. Surely you do not have such a strong presence that couldn't be overpowered by a hundred thousand Texans with guns.


Unless you have profuse amounts of explosives, your IEDs won't destroy a HAT-1. A FEW might damage it, but you're gonna need A LOT to take one out of action. I should know, I built it.

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| June 9, 2010, 6:55 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
Nick, we're not an army. We have people, everywhere. All over. Somebody could just lay a FEW IEDs to take out a HAT-1. Surely you do not have such a strong presence that couldn't be overpowered by a hundred thousand Texans with guns.

Contrary to your belief, every single Texan doesn't have a frakkin automatic rifle in their closet. Less than half have guns, and of that half only about an eighth have automatic weapons.
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| June 9, 2010, 7:00 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Contrary to your belief, every single Texan doesn't have a frakkin automatic rifle in their closet. Less than half have guns, and of that half only about an eighth have automatic weapons.


Making up numbers: A game the whole family can enjoy!
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| June 9, 2010, 7:28 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Contrary to your belief, every single Texan doesn't have a frakkin automatic rifle in their closet. Less than half have guns, and of that half only about an eighth have automatic weapons.

When did I say we all have automatic weapons. I'd say I'm be a better shot with semi-auto anyway.
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| June 9, 2010, 7:31 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Unless you have profuse amounts of explosives, your IEDs won't destroy a HAT-1. A FEW might damage it, but you're gonna need A LOT to take one out of action. I should know, I built it.

No treads=no moving. No moving requires fixing. Fixing requires exiting. Exiting requires exposing oneself to the line of fire. Exposing oneself to the line of fire usually ends up in someones death.
@The 1/8 of Texans have automatic guns:
That means right now in 2010 there would be about 2.5 million Texas with Automatic weapons, the amount of the PCU military. Imagine that number in 30 years.
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| June 9, 2010, 7:38 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
No treads=no moving. No moving requires fixing. Fixing requires exiting. Exiting requires exposing oneself to the line of fire. Exposing oneself to the line of fire usually ends up in someones death.
@The 1/8 of Texans have automatic guns:
That means right now in 2010 there would be about 2.5 million Texas with Automatic weapons, the amount of the PCU military. Imagine that number in 30 years.

Actually, it's 1/16.
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| June 9, 2010, 7:46 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
No treads=no moving. No moving requires fixing. Fixing requires exiting. Exiting requires exposing oneself to the line of fire. Exposing oneself to the line of fire usually ends up in someones death.
@The 1/8 of Texans have automatic guns:
That means right now in 2010 there would be about 2.5 million Texas with Automatic weapons, the amount of the PCU military. Imagine that number in 30 years.


2.5 million Texans with guns versus trained PCU soldiers who have combat experience, air support, and ground support.
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| June 9, 2010, 7:48 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
How does one a mass a million man army in one day and take several square miles of PCU land, in the same 24 hour period. I sent AC-130s and other planes over Texas last night. I sense a cheek being turned.


I have to completely agree, that's ridiculous. I sure hope you're really moderating this, Spontaneous, or I might have to. Remember people, the Pacific Empire has a huge advantage here. I honestly don't think the Texans are going to make it anymore. PCU has always been a totalitarian regime, and has always put down insurrection quite... firmly.
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| June 9, 2010, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I have to completely agree, that's ridiculous. I sure hope you're really moderating this, Spontaneous, or I might have to. Remember people, the Pacific Empire has a huge advantage here. I honestly don't think the Texans are going to make it anymore. PCU has always been a totalitarian regime, and has always put down insurrection quite... firmly.


No army. REBELLION JUST SPREADS FROM TOWN TO TOWN! And I'd like to see Nick try to handle this one.

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| June 9, 2010, 8:18 pm
Quoting Will Gober
Nick, we're not an army. We have people, everywhere. All over. Somebody could just lay a FEW IEDs to take out a HAT-1. Surely you do not have such a strong presence that couldn't be overpowered by a hundred thousand Texans with guns.

You can't "gain ground" with a humongous completely unorganized force of simple rebels. In fact, you can't really do anything with such disorganization and lack of communication. And yes, it's pretty much impossible to organize and establish effective communication between millions of randomly scattered rebels all over the state. You can't direct them, you can't give them orders. All they can do is cause chaos.
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| June 9, 2010, 8:20 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You can't "gain ground" with a humongous completely unorganized force of simple rebels. In fact, you can't really do anything with such disorganization and lack of communication. And yes, it's pretty much impossible to organize and establish effective communication between millions of randomly scattered rebels all over the state. You can't direct them, you can't give them orders. All they can do is cause chaos.


There are different factions, and he is controlling one of them. Got it?
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| June 9, 2010, 8:23 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

No army. REBELLION JUST SPREADS FROM TOWN TO TOWN! And I'd like to see Nick try to handle this one.

It's being handled, though our damage report has not been reported.

Tonight, 40 AC-130s will fly over San Angelo and destroy target buildings known to contain rebels. While this is happening, 20 AH-64 Apaches will take off from Dallas-Love Field and attack San Antonio.
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| June 9, 2010, 8:26 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

There are different factions, and he is controlling one of them. Got it?


Then if he has but one faction, how'd he grab so much land in a matter of hours against PCU ground and air forces?
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| June 9, 2010, 8:26 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Then if he has but one faction, how'd he grab so much land in a matter of hours against PCU ground and air forces?


HE'S NOT GRABBING LAND! THE REBELLIONS ARE SPREADING FROM TOWN TO TOWN! NO CONQUEST!
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| June 9, 2010, 8:28 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

HE'S NOT GRABBING LAND! THE REBELLIONS ARE SPREADING FROM TOWN TO TOWN! NO CONQUEST!

You seem to know a lot about this for someone not really involved...plotting, the scourge of the universe. That, or you are, once again, not who you say you are...
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| June 9, 2010, 8:31 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

HE'S NOT GRABBING LAND! THE REBELLIONS ARE SPREADING FROM TOWN TO TOWN! NO CONQUEST!


Then what's this about taking?


Quoting Will Gober
I bring good news from the fronts. We are slowly inching our way into Austin. We've taken towns in the western half of the state like San Angelo, Abilene, Lubbock, Amarillo, and there are even some reports of up to as far as San Antonio, which is very close to Austin.


Eh?
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| June 9, 2010, 8:31 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Then what's this about taking?


Quoting Will Gober
I bring good news from the fronts. We are slowly inching our way into Austin. We've taken towns in the western half of the state like San Angelo, Abilene, Lubbock, Amarillo, and there are even some reports of up to as far as San Antonio, which is very close to Austin.


Eh?


The rebellion has spread that far, not actual conquest.
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| June 9, 2010, 8:35 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham
Quoting me
Eh?


The rebellion has spread that far, not actual conquest.


They've TAKEN. TAKEN. To take- verb, to get into one's hold or possession by voluntary action (Texas rebels have taken several towns).
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| June 9, 2010, 8:40 pm
The FTSA are now working into cybernetic lifeforms, to make more infantry. This progect may take around a month or so...
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| June 9, 2010, 8:42 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

No army. REBELLION JUST SPREADS FROM TOWN TO TOWN! And I'd like to see Nick try to handle this one.
One man fighting for his freedom is as good as one hundred hired soldiers.~ George Washington

This is gonna be a long war. I await the results with great anticipation.

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| June 9, 2010, 8:57 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
The FTSA are now working into cybernetic lifeforms, to make more infantry. This progect may take around a month or so...

No. Just . . . No.

Anyhow, on note of the Texan rebellion, the Pacific Empire is taking the notion of totalitarian retaliation which won't win much in the "hearts and minds" philosophy with Texas in future times. Anyhow, the outlandish numbers are just that. The main processing of a rebellion would be to systematically win the side of the people in secretive manners and congregate underground while creating a network of pseudo-political members that now the in-and-outs of the system they're trying to fight. By going full-on insurgency would mean sheer defeat. There's no funding, no tangible means of arms exchange, or anything of the like. Another goal to set would be to stop industry in Texas either by strike or sabotage. This would conclude the State's use and pretty much subject it to release. The people are the battlegrounds.
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| June 9, 2010, 8:58 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
One man fighting for his freedom is as good as one hundred hired soldiers.~ George Washington

This is gonna be a long war. I await the results with great anticipation.


As great a notion as it is, one man fighting for his freedom is not as good as one plane that can destroy him and his friend with one click of a button. -Me.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:01 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
No. Just . . . No.



You saying I am watching too much SI-FI?

Because, by now we would be much improved in tech
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| June 9, 2010, 9:07 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
No. Just . . . No.



You saying I am watching too much SI-FI?

Because, by now we would be much improved in tech

It's the political sensitivity and inability to calculate reaction of something beyond AI.

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| June 9, 2010, 9:08 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

As great a notion as it is, one man fighting for his freedom is not as good as one plane that can destroy him and his friend with one click of a button. -Me.

The results of this war will entirely depend on how each side handles the situation. It will be... interesting to say the least.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:09 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
It's the political sensitivity and inability to calculate reaction of something beyond AI.

Well...

Could you re-friase that?
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| June 9, 2010, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Well...

Could you re-friase that?

Could you define "re-friase"?
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| June 9, 2010, 9:11 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Could you define "re-friase"?

Re-word, so I can understand
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| June 9, 2010, 9:12 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Re-word, so I can understand

There is a large debate on whether on not humans should be able to (or even can) create or label something sentient (able to think). This would mean playing God in several manners and conservative individuals don't like that prospect. And the other thing is, if it is rightfully sentient, you can't tell whether or not they'll accept what you teach them. So, it could just be a waste of a pretty penny.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:15 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
There is a large debate on whether on not humans should be able to (or even can) create or label something sentient (able to think). This would mean playing God in several manners and conservative individuals don't like that prospect. And the other thing is, if it is rightfully sentient, you can't tell whether or not they'll accept what you teach them. So, it could just be a waste of a pretty penny.

Well, if you build them with a restriction sorta thing, then we have something
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| June 9, 2010, 9:17 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Well, if you build them with a restriction sorta thing, then we have something

Whatever. You can build these things all you want, but I'm going to send flak your way. Especially if it's only going to take a month. Realism, I see very little of it. Plus, Natural Selection will probably be an unhappy camper.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:18 pm
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Realism, Erik? Is one million revolting rednecks with shotguns besting a 6 million man armed nuclear force?

That's real...
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| June 9, 2010, 9:22 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Whatever. You can build these things all you want, but I'm going to send flak your way. Especially if it's only going to take a month. Realism, I see very little of it. Plus, Natural Selection will probably be an unhappy camper.

Well, maybe a 3 then, or a year...
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| June 9, 2010, 9:23 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Plus, Natural Selection will probably be an unhappy camper.


Am I the only one who thinks Finn will accidentally make Cylons combined with Skynet and destroy the world?
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| June 9, 2010, 9:24 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
There is a large debate on whether on not humans should be able to (or even can) create or label something sentient (able to think). This would mean playing God in several manners and conservative individuals don't like that prospect. And the other thing is, if it is rightfully sentient, you can't tell whether or not they'll accept what you teach them. So, it could just be a waste of a pretty penny.

What about the Turing Test?
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| June 9, 2010, 9:24 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Am I the only one who thinks Finn will accidentally make Cylons combined with Skynet and destroy the world?


Ironically, I am watching a similar thing, but, that's what the surpresser is for.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:26 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
What about the Turing Test?

It works to an extent. At any rate, I'm not getting into this. I'll just neutralize by whatever means necessary if someone cares to demonstrate their (in)ability.

Oh, and I didn't make the numbers, Nick. Everyone is pretty much denouncing the numbers.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:28 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
It works to an extent. At any rate, I'm not getting into this. I'll just neutralize by whatever means necessary if someone cares to demonstrate their (in)ability.

Alright.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:29 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Alright.

Also, if it seems I'm coming off rude, I don't mean to. So, please don't take offense to my reply.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Also, if it seems I'm coming off rude, I don't mean to. So, please don't take offense to my reply.

No offense taken, I was just curious.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:32 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham Still fighting in Iceland.
The IRA feels that you cannot handle the situation properly, so we are giving you a chance to start moving your population out of Iceland in the next 9 hours.

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| June 9, 2010, 9:34 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Also, if it seems I'm coming off rude, I don't mean to. So, please don't take offense to my reply.

I'm not offended, I was just curious.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:36 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
I'm not offended, I was just curious.

If that's the case, then the Turing test, in my opinion, only shows a machine's ability to be integrated by already established customs and not truly intelligence of the adaptive meaning. Now, if one were to create a whole new set of sentient beings, I think it safe to say that they would have to include their own customs and not be regarded as tools. Robotics are tools, "cybernetic life" is the responsibility of introducing an organism into the Universe by artificial means. This is merely my philosophy and shouldn't count for much or taken to heart. Conclusively re-related, expending resources on another competitive individual is a bit odd.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:41 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
If that's the case, then the Turing test, in my opinion, only shows a machine's ability to be integrated by already established customs and not truly intelligence of the adaptive meaning. Now, if one were to create a whole new set of sentient beings, I think it safe to say that they would have to include their own customs and not be regarded as tools. Robotics are tools, "cybernetic life" is the responsibility of introducing an organism into the Universe by artificial means. This is merely my philosophy and shouldn't count for much or taken to heart. Conclusively re-related, expending resources on another competitive individual is a bit odd.

True, and humanity has enough problems with itself.
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| June 9, 2010, 9:43 pm
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In Texas, PCU Radio Operators are intercepting transmissions to the best of their abilities.
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| June 9, 2010, 10:05 pm
Dr. we need moderation, or else, the patient could, could die of boredom!
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| June 9, 2010, 10:05 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
In Texas, PCU Radio Operators are intercepting transmissions to the best of their abilities.

What transmissions?
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| June 9, 2010, 10:07 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Realism, Erik? Is one million revolting rednecks with shotguns besting a 6 million man armed nuclear force?

That's real...

Six frakking million. When you joined a few months ago it was just 2 million! There is no way 4 million joined out of the blue.
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| June 9, 2010, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
Six frakking million. When you joined a few months ago it was just 2 million! There is no way 4 million joined out of the blue.

That's our Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Army, and Missile Defense Force.
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| June 9, 2010, 10:47 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
That's our Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Army, and Missile Defense Force.

No, you said two million. You said you hit the three million mark just a while a go.
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| June 9, 2010, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
No, you said two million. You said you hit the three million mark just a while a go.

Three million is our Army and Marines...
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| June 9, 2010, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Three million is our Army and Marines...

I smell conscripts . . .
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| June 9, 2010, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I smell conscripts . . .

Indeed, you do.

About half of the Army is conscripts and the Marines are purely voluntary.

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| June 9, 2010, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Indeed, you do.

About half of the Army is conscripts and the Marines are purely voluntary.

At least you don't deny them. Anyhow, I shall let you roll on with whatever . . .
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| June 9, 2010, 11:01 pm
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As of 2300 hours EST, the Pacific Empire has launched a large-scale retaliation against the Texan Rebellion. Utilizing Dallas Love Field as a staging point for aircraft launches, AH-64s, in conjunction with (armed) MULEs to designate targets, have been flown to Austin. Although only a small time into the operation, efforts seem fierce and effective. Intelligence gathered over the past few days have shown some light on hot-spots containing rebels making prime targets for the some 14 B-52s in-air. More direct air cover is promptly provided by armed drones.

In retaliation to the primary engagements, Texan Rebels have begun a more complicated relay network to ensure sealed lips. Also, several lend-lease Cold War era A-10 aircraft have been received and were sent by an undisclosed source; pilots on the other hand, well there are a few positions open. Reports of IEDs being found throughout civilian centers containing PCU troops have been heard. Imperial troops have been of some suspension for these devices, but the sheer volume of them retort back to the Second Gulf War. Caution is of the utmost priority for the PCU soldiers at this point causing somewhat slow mobilization during patrols and assaults. Rural areas are a major issue as well granted insurgencies thrive in open areas. Scout and "sniper" teams have been dispatched to counter PCU patrols. Several of these teams have been engaged by Imperial drones that pick up targets via Global Hawk intelligence. The rebels will surely need some shining light to aid them if their Guerrilla tactics do not prevail.

Conclusively, the PCU is instigating conventional shock and awe tactics while the Rebellion keeps its ties to high-volume insurgent means.
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| June 9, 2010, 11:26 pm
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Thanks Erik, I figured those tactics would work.

More plans will be sent later.
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| June 9, 2010, 11:39 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
an undisclosed source


*cough*Jack Ford*cough*

Anyways, wouldn't it be easy to track where these jets came from by following them after attack runs? It couldn't be that hard...
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| June 9, 2010, 11:41 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

*cough*Jack Ford*cough*

Anyways, wouldn't it be easy to track where these jets came from by following them after attack runs? It couldn't be that hard...

I am pleased. Slow and steady wins the race, err, I mean revolution. Nick, how DO YOU pay for all this? Surely a nation like the Pacific Empire wouldn't have ANY trouble fighting several wars at once. I mean, it's not like the mobilization of one million+ troops cost a penny.
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| June 9, 2010, 11:48 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
I am pleased. Slow and steady wins the race, err, I mean revolution. Nick, how DO YOU pay for all this? Surely a nation like the Pacific Empire wouldn't have ANY trouble fighting several wars at once. I mean, it's not like the mobilization of one million+ troops cost a penny.

Akshully Will, spending money is what we're trying to avoid. That's why we mostly used air units in the first attack in the Insurrection in Texas.
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| June 10, 2010, 12:03 am
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Well, maybe a 3 then, or a year...


Try a century.

Duplicating existing genes is easy enough, but making new ones is pretty difficult.

Quoting Evan Melick
The Commonwealth would like to mention that even though the tense situation in Iceland, the squadron of the Royal Navy stationed in Denmark (fifteen Hydra-class GMD's and the Prince of Whales), will let no Russian ship pass through the Danish straits. Any Russian ships that get within 100 miles of Danish territory will be fired upon without notice or warning.


The Alenians would like to point out that much as we wouldn't like it just at the moment, an act of war against one member of the alliance is an act of war against all of them.


Also, you forgot our invasion into Kazakhstan on your map.

We're not going to pull out just because the nearest potential enemy decided to get murdered.
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| June 10, 2010, 12:08 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Akshully Will, spending money is what we're trying to avoid. That's why we mostly used air units in the first attack in the Insurrection in Texas.

What were your air targets.
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| June 10, 2010, 12:12 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
The Commonwealth would like to mention that even though the tense situation in Iceland, the squadron of the Royal Navy stationed in Denmark (fifteen Hydra-class GMD's and the Prince of Whales), will let no Russian ship pass through the Danish straits. Any Russian ships that get within 100 miles of Danish territory will be fired upon without notice or warning.

Even though I don't need those ship and could just wait it out, I would advise you against that course of action. This conflict is between Russia and Americans who think they can anger others and get away with it.
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| June 10, 2010, 6:26 am
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Quoting John Dawn
Even though I don't need those ship and could just wait it out, I would advise you against that course of action. This conflict is between Russia and Americans who think they can anger others and get away with it.


Taking back Iceland, eh?

Well, I'd help, but when I say the Alenian Navy is enough to make Switzerland boast of naval superiority, I mean it. Barely functions as a coast guard.
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| June 10, 2010, 7:09 am
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Hey Cliffe, can I use a MOC from Flikr in this group if I post a link? I intend to post it, I just never remember when I have time. The creation I want to add is the T-98 Heavy Tank.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:16 am
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Quoting Areetsa C

Taking back Iceland, eh?

Well, I'd help, but when I say the Alenian Navy is enough to make Switzerland boast of naval superiority, I mean it. Barely functions as a coast guard.
I probably won't need them, but thanks for the offer.

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| June 10, 2010, 10:32 am
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I will be gone for the majority of today in what I'll label as negotiations. So, I'll have an update on Texas later tonight.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:33 am
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This is General Singh, commander of the forces in Iceland. We are here to address our neighbor's profound declaration. We will not give up our territory on this island, and we will fight for it. More than 25,000 fighting men and women are currently here, with more on the way. Without equipment or supply, the Scandinavians will eventual face defeat. In the course of your invasion, expect fierce resistance. That is all.
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| June 10, 2010, 3:11 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham
This is General Singh, commander of the forces in Iceland. We are here to address our neighbor's profound declaration. We will not give up our territory on this island, and we will fight for it. More than 25,000 fighting men and women are currently here, with more on the way. Without equipment or supply, the Scandinavians will eventual face defeat. In the course of your invasion, expect fierce resistance. That is all.

I have already asked Dr. S to be the battle mod send him planes and he will post later.
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| June 10, 2010, 3:20 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Anyway. I recognize that you are interested in maintaining control over Iceland. I also realize that attacking your ships if they try to pass through Danish territory will be considered an act of war against all three Russian states. I however am not worried, as I possess clear naval superiority, with just have my active Navy (plus the Danish forces) stationed in the area.

I will however let your ships pass through unharmed, if you agree to drop all claims you may ever hold towards the Kingdom of Denmark, and recognize it as an area solidly within the sphere of influence of the Commonwealth.
Thank you, I never wanted Denmark though I was originally going to secure it for Henry.

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| June 10, 2010, 4:08 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I'm going to upload I new map, as my boo-boo list is rather long.

About how far into Kazakhstan are y'all, and is it all three Russia's that are invading?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/areetsa/4676847055/

Around the top segment. Not very deep in, technically, since the whole 'crushing the enemy's will to live' thing comes after we take out the high command. Apart from that, we're pretty close to the capital.
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| June 10, 2010, 6:30 pm
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Shipbuilders in Astoria report outstanding progress in the Patriot class ships being created there. Four Patriots are due to be completed by the end of June.
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| June 10, 2010, 8:16 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Try a century.

Duplicating existing genes is easy enough, but making new ones is pretty difficult.



What do you mean, genes?
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| June 10, 2010, 9:39 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Quoting Areetsa C

Try a century.

Duplicating existing genes is easy enough, but making new ones is pretty difficult.



What do you mean, genes?
Chromosomes, Deoxyribonucleic acid, and genetics in general.

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| June 10, 2010, 9:43 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Finn C-Q
Quoting Areetsa C

Try a century.

Duplicating existing genes is easy enough, but making new ones is pretty difficult.


Erm....

Most robotics are not bio-mechanical
What do you mean, genes?
Chromosomes, Deoxyribonucleic acid, and genetics in general.


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| June 10, 2010, 9:45 pm
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The PCU urges all law-abiding citizens who would not like to perish in a bombing run or explosion to flee the cities and head to Gainesville.
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| June 10, 2010, 9:46 pm
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Within the North Italian War, French troops have positioned themselves to sweep through the town of Turin by pinching it with forces from the north and south. MCAP strikes have already been launched with targets being designated by several pairs of PRPs (Para Regiment Pioneers). The only main highlight of these runs is a small straffing run that neutralized eight Italian patrol vehicles. The town looks to be quite empty with enemy militants withdrawing to more heavily populated areas. The town should fall within two to five days if reconnaissance is correct (50/50 chance).

In Luxembourg, two AIFVs were severely crippled after anti-tank teams engaged them. The armoured patrol was advancing into an apartment district while their dismounts were scanning the area for possible snipers or camoflauged enemy troops. Although they didn't find any tangible regards, one time asked for a three-round burst from the 20mm in an act of precaution. After this burst was released, an anti-tank team and two firing squads engaged the dismounts and their vehicles. It is suspected that the Luxembourg defense forces are filling the role of mother hen and will do their most to protect their citizens.
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| June 10, 2010, 9:49 pm
I have news. News that will expose the PCU as it truly is!
The so called "President Shelton" plans to target a whole city. His own city, and destroying, killing 100,000+ people. Innocent lives. Us rebels have no bases. We are regular people with families and homes. We don't bunch up and say, "Hey come bomb us!" That would insure defeat. I call upon all nations, if Nick does not pull out his jets, then I will charge him with war crimes and ask for the assistance of all men that are humane. This is the 21st century, we are not knuckle-dragging savages here!
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| June 10, 2010, 9:53 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU urges all law-abiding citizens who would not like to perish in a bombing run or explosion to flee the cities and head to Gainesville.

Pull out your bombers now Nick, or you will face an enemy greater than rebels.
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| June 10, 2010, 9:55 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU urges all law-abiding citizens who would not like to perish in a bombing run or explosion to flee the cities and head to Gainesville.

Now you warn them! However under an hour is NOT enough time to evacuate a city.
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| June 10, 2010, 9:57 pm
I am sorry for the commotion, Nick was making things up. Apparently that was all a lie to distract me. Pay no attention to the ranting revolutionary leader.
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| June 10, 2010, 9:58 pm
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@Will: I never said bombers would target a whole city. I said bombers would be utilized to the best of their abilities. I'm not bombing apartments and housing districts, I'm bombing major roads and interstates. Will, stop with the rallying of nations, it's already going to happen.
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| June 10, 2010, 9:59 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
@Will: I never said bombers would target a whole city. I said bombers would be utilized to the best of their abilities. I'm not bombing apartments and housing districts, I'm bombing major roads and interstates. Will, stop with the rallying of nations, it's already going to happen.

And so, you are a liar.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
And so, you are a liar.

Lying gets a man no where, hinting at the truth is how the PCU rolls.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:04 pm
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Today, Iceland is at war with itself. East Iceland was able to disguise several civilian vessels and then transport electronic disruption devices into West Iceland. However, only two (both in the northern bays) of these were able to be properly utilized because of the mobilization and security efforts brought upon by the combative efforts on the island. The American portion of the island has granted 12,000 troops to the primary boundary to keep the Russians at bay. This has been successful en due part by the ratio of MG teams and tank support. F-18s are also in the air to engage the Russian fleet and ground targets. Granted electronic discharge is still affecting the the northwestern portion of the island, communication relays and several planes have been lost. Using this as an opening, the Russian fleet is attempting to engage from intermediate distances.

Conclusively, no true progression has been made on the ground. Cluster munitions and MGs on the American side keep the Russian side at bay with almost the same tactics. At sea and in the air, the Americans have taken the most casualties (four planes and communication loss) leaving the Russians to press forward while attempting to keep from their own electronic disruption.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:08 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Lying gets a man no where, hinting at the truth is how the PCU rolls.


You ARE bombing civilian targets. It's like when the americans bombed a Vietnamese village, claiming there was Vietcong(No proof), killed all the villagers, and then covered it up. Only one man was put on trial for this.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:09 pm
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The Governator watches with growing fascination how nations once fully protected by the PCU have gone on to become their own war-starting nations. I applaud thee.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

You ARE bombing civilian targets. It's like when the americans bombed a Vietnamese village, claiming there was Vietcong(No proof), killed all the villagers, and then covered it up. Only one man was put on trial for this.

No. I am bombing roads and street. NOT HOUSES. WHY CAN'T YOU AND WILL LEARN THIS.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The Governator watches with growing fascination how nations once fully protected by the PCU have gone on to become their own war-starting nations. I applaud thee.


Is this sarcasm or for real?

Anyways, this jamming or whatever could present a problem. I did better than I thought I would, though.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:15 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

Is this sarcasm or for real?

Anyways, this jamming or whatever could present a problem. I did better than I thought I would, though.

Oh, it's for real Ham.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:17 pm
Ok, I haven't been to active lately because I'm writing two synopses on video games... If I do good enough on them I'll get a job as a Video Game Character Designer

The Federation of Osea is continuing the campaign angainst Tunisia which should be wrapped up within the next 2-3 hours and then they'll make their way north to Corsica.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Admiral A.C. Weagle
they'll make their way north to Corsica.
France beat you to it.

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| June 10, 2010, 10:47 pm
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Quoting Admiral A.C. Weagle
Ok, I haven't been to active lately because I'm writing two synopses on video games... If I do good enough on them I'll get a job as a Video Game Character Designer

The Federation of Osea is continuing the campaign angainst Tunisia which should be wrapped up within the next 2-3 hours and then they'll make their way north to Corsica.

Corsica is an active French territory. Enter within 35 miles to the south of it or 55 miles in all other directions and you will be fired upon. We're already in a direction of wartime and you will be engaged without warning.

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| June 10, 2010, 10:48 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Corsica is an active French territory. Enter within 35 miles to the south of it or 55 miles in all other directions and you will be fired upon. We're already in a direction of wartime and you will be engaged without warning.

Why has there been no moderation?
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| June 10, 2010, 10:49 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
Why has there been no moderation?

Operation times granted by Nick's objectives.
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| June 10, 2010, 10:51 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Operation times granted by Nick's objectives.

Ah. Nicks's objectives...
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| June 10, 2010, 11:16 pm
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Around 2300 hours EST (give or take half an hour or so), MULEs began designating targets in San Angelo en due course from Houston. Six five-man teams were dropped into the city for reserve action after B-52s once again began destroying (suspected) key routes. From there, forces have begun searching for tunnels. If these tunnels are found, the reserve teams will enter them to check and engage any rebels or rebel sympathizers. Also, ten two-man sniper teams have establish positions in the city to engage mobilizing rebels in an effort for force-multiplication. Drones, attack helicopters, and strike planes are in the air for support and to actively engage rebel forces. This operation should last until the sun rises.

On note of the rebels, classic insurgency tactics are still in use. Using modern communication networks (i.e. e-mail), the rebels have been able to keep active look-outs that inform each other of the slightest enemy mobilization efforts. However, this could be actively used against them granted electronic systems such as e-mail rely on public networks. IEDs have become more actively placed at night as to reduce the amount of attention. The A-10s granted to the rebels have been relocated throughout the State as to reduce the chance of them being lost to enemy engagement. Finally, large amounts of Russian weaponry have been reported throughout the rebel "ranks". As to how they're getting there is a tale not entirely figured out.

In the round-about, rebels continue to gain equipment and morale. However, because the PCU have been granting immense resources to countering the threat and mobilizing operations at the same time rebels have been informed to set up traps, casualties are ranking and several suspected Texans have been detained. Conventional methods are proving thus far to be quite effective.
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| June 10, 2010, 11:16 pm
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The PCU is very much happy with our progress in Texas. We have been warned by the rebels to heed the other nations. We do heed this warning, but all ways to stop Will will be implemented.


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| June 10, 2010, 11:21 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Around 2300 hours EST (give or take half an hour or so), MULEs began designating targets in San Angelo en due course from Houston.

What targets? I already said I don't have a headquarters. Were civilians killed? What is the death toll for both sides? Nick, you must've killed civilians. What tunnels?
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| June 10, 2010, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
What targets? I already said I don't have a headquarters. Were civilians killed? What is the death toll for both sides? Nick, you must've killed civilians. What tunnels?

I just go by what I'm told. So far, the targets have just been key junctions and supply routes. So, if the main plane is a B-52 civilian casualties are expected.

Also, breaking news has it that a terrorist assault linked to the Texan Rebellion has been unleashed. The attack was smallpox release in the Portland Airport.
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| June 10, 2010, 11:33 pm
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The PCU is at the utmost frustration about how Will succumbs to such levels that he would kill civilians.

In Texas, things are taking a turn for the worse. We keep our eyes on the Euros, and the northeast.
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| June 10, 2010, 11:41 pm
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Panama is days away from being completely taken over. Tanks are moving fastly during the night, and troops are clearing the inbetweens in the day.


The PCU fleet is once again splitting up, the main Carrier group, with the HGS Pacifica, is moving off to the east of Texas, with 35 Calahaws, 10 Los Angeles subs, 10 frigates, and 15 destroyers as escorts. Another carrier group, with the HGS Nick Shelton as leader, will contain 40 Calahaws, 15 Los Angeles subs, 30 frigates, and 5 destroyers. Another group will remain in Panama but it only contains the eight escort carriers.
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| June 10, 2010, 11:44 pm
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So, the rebels have released smallpox. Never mind where they got (it's only one of the most heavily guarded things around), we're most displeased with such terrorist activities. The Emperor's eye is fixed on the New World.

Meanwhile, in Italy, the battle of Andria has been won, and the Italians driven off. We hardly blame them, after all, we are aggressors. Our infantry has begun the slow advance to the hills, in aim to cut southern Italy in half. It should take some time.
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| June 10, 2010, 11:51 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Finally, large amounts of Russian weaponry have been reported throughout the rebel "ranks". As to how they're getting there is a tale not entirely figured out.

Erm, should I consult Will on this one?
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| June 10, 2010, 11:54 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Finally, large amounts of Russian weaponry have been reported throughout the rebel "ranks". As to how they're getting there is a tale not entirely figured out.

Erm, should I consult Will on this one?

What is Russia doing over there?
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| June 10, 2010, 11:58 pm
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In Portland, PCU Military Police have evacuated all of the people from the Portland Airport. HAZMAT teams are as of now trying to clean things up.

Governator Nick shows immense frustration upon Will. All we can say is that you're chance to surrender and be shuttled away to somewhere else have been revoked. We also are protesting against the BEAR alliance. Smallpox killed civilians, civilians that we're not just from my country, but from others as well.
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| June 10, 2010, 11:58 pm
Quoting John Dawn
What is Russia doing over there?

Yeh, really?
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| June 11, 2010, 12:02 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
In Portland, PCU Military Police have evacuated all of the people from the Portland Airport. HAZMAT teams are as of now trying to clean things up.

Governator Nick shows immense frustration upon Will. All we can say is that you're chance to surrender and be shuttled away to somewhere else have been revoked. We also are protesting against the BEAR alliance. Smallpox killed civilians, civilians that we're not just from my country, but from others as well.

The B.E.A.R. alliance simply says that we are not responcibel for these crimes, nor are we involved in any way.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:13 am
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Quoting John Dawn
What is Russia doing over there?

Russian equipment. You have to remember a good portion of the world has weaponry that derives from Russia or has influence from said nation. Cheap and commoner-friendly.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:26 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
In Portland, PCU Military Police have evacuated all of the people from the Portland Airport. HAZMAT teams are as of now trying to clean things up.

Governator Nick shows immense frustration upon Will. All we can say is that you're chance to surrender and be shuttled away to somewhere else have been revoked. We also are protesting against the BEAR alliance. Smallpox killed civilians, civilians that we're not just from my country, but from others as well.

You could just intercept the airliners with F-22s and blow them up before they reach their destination...
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| June 11, 2010, 12:27 am
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Quoting Will Gober
You could just intercept the airliners with F-22s and blow them up before they reach their destination...

Are you so ignorant of what is really going on in Texas that you accuse me of killing civilians? I BOMBED ROADS.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:29 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Are you so ignorant of what is really going on in Texas that you accuse me of killing civilians? I BOMBED ROADS.

If the roads were used so much then what happened to the thousands of people evacuating on them? Two hours isn't enough for a town of over a hundred thousand to evacuate. And most probably didn't receive the waring on the spot.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:35 am
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Quoting Will Gober
If the roads were used so much then what happened to the thousands of people evacuating on them? Two hours isn't enough for a town of over a hundred thousand to evacuate. And most probably didn't receive the waring on the spot.

The message was given only to the PCU citizens. PCU citizens who have reported in on their neighbors. Others were given the message by PCU soldiers. Your "rebels" didn't get the message. Any and all PCU citizens who didn't get out were taken by the PCU to Houston, and then from Houston to Portland.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:39 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
The message was given only to the PCU citizens. PCU citizens who have reported in on their neighbors. Others were given the message by PCU soldiers. Your "rebels" didn't get the message. Any and all PCU citizens who didn't get out were taken by the PCU to Houston, and then from Houston to Portland.

What if they don't have rebel neighbors, then I suppose they are killed.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:44 am
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Quoting Will Gober
What if they don't have rebel neighbors, then I suppose they are killed.

That's life. Civilians die. Don't go putting smallpox in airports because of it.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:49 am
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Russian equipment. You have to remember a good portion of the world has weaponry that derives from Russia or has influence from said nation. Cheap and commoner-friendly.

Oh yeah, I forgot we export more guns, than China has babies.
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| June 11, 2010, 6:23 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
That's life. Civilians die. Don't go putting smallpox in airports because of it.

You can't call me a terrorist, because you killed as many, if not more civilians than I did.
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| June 11, 2010, 10:10 am
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Quoting Will Gober
You can't call me a terrorist, because you killed as many, if not more civilians than I did.

No. The PCU bombed major roads. If you hang out on a road in a country controlled by rebels during a war, at night, then you are probably not a large number of people.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:03 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
No. The PCU bombed major roads. If you hang out on a road in a country controlled by rebels during a war, at night, then you are probably not a large number of people.

People evacuating the city were killed. You can't just drive out when there's a hundred thousand people ahead of you.
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| June 11, 2010, 12:21 pm
Test comment- all my comments are going off to be moderated but won't let me moderate them for some reason. It usually lets me put them in.
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| June 11, 2010, 1:55 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Yeah, me too. Mine don't work for the statistics conversation... and I posted it THREE TIMES!

I posted mine three times as well, changing a bunch of the letters to numbers and symbols to try and get it through.
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| June 11, 2010, 2:02 pm
Finland as well as Estonia have been invited to join the LBS to unite the Baltic
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| June 11, 2010, 3:06 pm
In Finland and Estonia public elections are being held to appease the growing baltic unification movement.
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| June 11, 2010, 4:12 pm
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The PCU would like to say that civilians have perished in every war known. It's a fact of life. I messaged them to leave, and most should've left. You forget that I told the PCU only. I didn't tell the whole city.
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| June 11, 2010, 5:14 pm
Quoting Henry Leopold III
In Finland and Estonia public elections are being held to appease the growing baltic unification movement.

I'm pretty sure Finland isn't going to want to, they're... Finnish. They're just like that. They love being independent and isolated.
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| June 11, 2010, 5:21 pm
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The town of Turin has been labeled secured. The detachments sent to the town only encountered light resistance by sever MG teams and guardsmen sent to coordinate civilian evacuation efforts. The guardsmen were allowed to continue their duties under the watchful eye of French foot patrols and LARAs; no engagements were reported. The main focus now is setting up a fall-back communication network and forward command unit to designate primary advancements. Moving down to the amphibious landing zones, the beachheads are only a short span from being interconnected. After this is done, reinforcements will be deployed to refresh their lines and within 48 hours of this post they will head for the cities of Parma and Placenza. Also, forces stationed in Monaco will be pushing towards the town of Imperia. Light resistance is expected due to an isolation factor granted by the two-boundary assault. Finally, the FMC detachment sent to Ravenna are only 14 hours away from the LZ. LAAs launched from rigs on MRNCs will begin reconnaissance once the task force is four hours away and will then engage primary targets within one hour's distance.

In Luxembourg, of the 800+ standing military persons, it is expected that nearly 250 of them have been detained or neutralized in some manner. A fierce number of raids will go on for the next two days to hopefully reach a number of 400 neutralized arms-men if negotiations don't go accordingly.
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| June 11, 2010, 6:37 pm
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As of roughly 2200 hours EST, the PCU has landed 10,000 troops in San Angelo are via flight. CAS (close-air-support) flights were sent in a bit ahead of the deployment to engage first-wave targets. Secondary support was offered by MULEs that passed through the city in hopes of engaging targets and drawing the attention of rebels long enough for the troops to gain ground. From their armoured support is offered so that ground units may advance to Goodfellow AFB and secure a tangible landing zone with minimal traversing effort. Although this is a proposed week-long assault, the PCU has thus far encountered little resistance if any at all. The rebels seem to have stashed their equipment and returned to civilian life as to draw little attention upon themselves. So, PCU advances may be halved in required time leaving a high air of interest.

Aside from that, PCU targets include high-interest buildings and bridges. The goal is to reduce any faction-held infrastructures and to continue destroying key routes utilized by the enemy. Also, CAS efforts are being increased to find and destroy the hidden A-10 tankbusters. No progress has been reported, which is most likely in part by the superb rotation of hiding places.
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| June 11, 2010, 10:24 pm
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Onto Iceland. The Russians have chosen to test their new space-borne high-impact kinetic energy weapons by targeting key installations and a majority of the available naval targets. However, due to weather squalls, only 45% of the fired rounds were able to accurately neutralize their targets; the American carrier group is still intact aside from the loss of two minute support vessel. The Americans were able to re-boot nearly 54% of their northern communications leaving room for 30 F-18s and a squadron of F-22s to begin performing regular sorties. American reconnaissance teams have also been set out to capture the Russians deployment vessels that lead to yesternight's attack. Aside from this, the Russians have been able to retaliate by pressing forward by sea. Russian carrier groups have decided to work on a split method of destroying targets within all three elements: sea, land, and air. Carrier-based sorties have been destroying coastal targets and some center-line American defense positions, but SAMs and active American flights have kept the damage on a minimal-intermediate basis. The two countries have been duking it out fiercely in the north with promise leaning towards the Russians. In the south, the tables are turned. The Russians also attempted to launch covert missions behind enemy lines, but to no avail. Because the Americans have been combating forces on the island for quite some time in the past week, security measures are sky-high.

In conclusion, the Russians are prevailing in the north and have, somewhat, successively tried their new satellite weapons. In the south and the central-island, American forces have held their own.
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| June 12, 2010, 2:43 am
Hi guys!.Long time no see. Anyway, can someone please tell me whats going on here?
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| June 12, 2010, 5:31 am
Hi guys!.Long time no see. Anyway, can someone please tell me whats going on here?
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| June 12, 2010, 5:33 am
Hi guys!.Long time no see. Anyway, can someone please tell me whats going on here?
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| June 12, 2010, 5:34 am
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Quoting Thomas N

Good to see ya man!

Oceania is conquesting southeast Asia.

Texas is starting another American civil war.

Brendonia is conquering North Korea.

Prusso-Eygypt is at war with Austria.

Hot debate right now over the future of the Baltic States.

The remnants of Iran are melting down in civil war.


Right now, I have claimed and I am preparing to invade Indochina, so that is probably the only thing happening around you, and I'm pretty sure you'll want to get back to conquering the rest of those Indonesian islands!


You seem to be forgetting one of the largest events: The Icelandic Civil War. And yes, I coined that term. But I guess petty conquests are not as important.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:03 am
Quoting Chairman Ham

You seem to be forgetting one of the largest events: The Icelandic Civil War. And yes, I coined that term. But I guess petty conquests are not as important.

It's not really a Civil War if it's between two invading/occupying nations, not a single nation splitting into two and going to war.
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| June 12, 2010, 12:53 pm
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While the "Icelandic Civil War" goes on, the PCU wonders how Ham got aircraft carriers if the PCU took all of the US Navy when it fragmented...
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| June 12, 2010, 1:30 pm
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The PCU Shipyard has reported that the hull and deck of the HGS Freedom of the Patriot class Missile Cruisers is no complete. It is expected to be completed by Monday, with it reaching Texas from Hawaii by Friday.

In Panama, the PCU controls 80% of the land area. Resistance is low, mainly the generation that opposed the US in the 90s. If this continues, we will have control of Panama by Friday.

In Cuba, the new leader has yet to show his face to the world. He has left me in charge of it while he goes to Yellowstone. This is all true guys. You admins need to invite him too.
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| June 12, 2010, 1:37 pm
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In North Italy, the Ravenna detachment encountered heavy resistance due to an unwitty circumstance set by our ownselves. Although the LAAs set ahead of time were able to engage primary targets like medium armour and MG nests, the mutter of rotors gave away that an invasion fleet was probable. After munitions and fuel ran low on the LAAs, they returned to their rigs atop MRNCs leaving a large forward blindspot. Enemy defenses increased incredibly. On the beach, MANPADS and ATGMs were in high density. As the Marines hit the beach, casualty numbers reached 430+ and not to mention the loss of several vessels. Still, they pressed on and made it within the first thirteen blocks of the city from the coastline. Heavy armour was detected which now leaves the men freshening up and holding out.

Also, France is asking Rome for permission to temporarily allow two squadrons (72 aircraft) of MCAPs to be positioned in their territory for no more than six days. CAS is minimal in the Ravenna invasion which leaves the Marines and accompanying equipment vulnerable. By allowing these planes to be positioned within close, friendly grounds the assault should go much more smoothly and most likely draw some attention away from Roman strike forces due south of Ravenna.
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| June 12, 2010, 2:03 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous

Also, France is asking Rome for permission to temporarily allow two squadrons (72 aircraft) of MCAPs to be positioned in their territory for no more than six days. CAS is minimal in the Ravenna invasion which leaves the Marines and accompanying equipment vulnerable. By allowing these planes to be positioned within close, friendly grounds the assault should go much more smoothly and most likely draw some attention away from Roman strike forces due south of Ravenna.


Permission granted.

Meanwhile, on our front, our soldiers are advancing into the hilly country of Campania. We should reach Benevento in a few days, heavy resistance there and along the way is expected, and we are clearing the path in front of us with heavy artillery fire and air cover.

We've met a good deal of the Italian army enaging us at Lucera. They have aircover as well, and a large scale battle is commencing near the town.
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| June 12, 2010, 2:25 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Permission granted.


Many thanks. The squadrons will take flight within the next 12 hours. Regular updates of the munitions and pilots manifest will be sent to your command structure as to ensure maximum security.
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| June 12, 2010, 2:42 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The Russians have chosen to test their new space-borne high-impact kinetic energy weapons by targeting key installations and a majority of the available naval targets.


Where'd we get that from?
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| June 12, 2010, 5:23 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

Where'd we get that from?

Mr. Dawn had built a MOC that integrated this technology. It's a tangible model that both Awe and I have seen, so you may want to direct your inquiry to John.
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| June 12, 2010, 5:25 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Mr. Dawn had built a MOC that integrated this technology. It's a tangible model that both Awe and I have seen, so you may want to direct your inquiry to John.


Guess it's a bit much to ask that people not start a military space-race for a few months.

-----

On the subjects of space races and Kazakhstan:

Pusher plate and framework are finished. Now the real work.


The capital has more or less fallen, by more or less I mean they're trying pretty hard to keep us out but they're as good as dead already.
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| June 12, 2010, 5:43 pm
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PCU Shipyards report completion of the hulls and decks of the Patriot-class ship under construction. Now, it will be pulled to Southern California and be outfitted with a bridge and other things.
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| June 12, 2010, 5:59 pm
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Important documents found in the German Empire were sent back to the SRGL today. They are currently in mid-transit to the Military Weapons Research& Development Center, where we will modernize their contents.


@Areetsa: Yes, it is too much to ask for.
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| June 12, 2010, 5:59 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham
Important documents found in the German Empire were sent back to the SRGL today. They are currently in mid-transit to the Military Weapons Research& Development Center, where we will modernize their contents.


This sounds familiar...
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| June 12, 2010, 6:03 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Chairman Ham
Important documents found in the German Empire were sent back to the SRGL today. They are currently in mid-transit to the Military Weapons Research& Development Center, where we will modernize their contents.


This sounds familiar...


Nou.

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| June 12, 2010, 6:41 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
military space-race
I'm winning, and check out my photostream, while you have exclusive access.

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| June 12, 2010, 7:03 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Areetsa C
military space-race
I'm winning, and check out my photostream, while you have exclusive access.

I can haz no exclusive?

Son, I am disappoint.
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| June 12, 2010, 7:25 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I can haz no exclusive?

Son, I am disappoint.
Next MOC I make, I'll post a picture, I don't want to reveal anything but the picture.

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| June 12, 2010, 7:36 pm
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In Texas, the PCU has begun systematically searching all homes in San Angelo. With a zero tolerance notice, if any occupant fires upon a Pacific soldier, all members within the structure will be neutralized. F-35s and refurbished B-1s have been launched to destroy all vehicles not in use as well as street junctions to decrease all human traffic. The dead and wounded PCU troops have been removed from the city.

The rebels seem to be using the same relaxed method still attempting to not draw attention to themselves. Nothing new to report on their front.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:05 pm
HA HA HA...

Military space race, eh?

Since the documents were IN the German Empire, I think we have a good chance seeing the checkered flag first.

In other, most happy news, the Kaiser Pharaoh has found love... a new Empress may be in office soon.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:10 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


In other, most happy news, the Kaiser Pharaoh has found love... a new Empress may be in office soon.


Picture a girl who nosedived off the top of a tree and hit every branch on the way down.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:14 pm
Nick, while you spend a lot of money in San Angelo, the rebels in other towns could be plotting...
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| June 12, 2010, 11:15 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Picture a girl who nosedived off the top of a tree and hit every branch on the way down.

Gee, thanks Shelton, you're the best friend I could ever have.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:16 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Picture a girl who nosedived off the top of a tree and hit every branch on the way down.

A.K.A.
Nick's mom...
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| June 12, 2010, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Gee, thanks Shelton, you're the best friend I could ever have.

By golly!
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| June 12, 2010, 11:18 pm
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In Iceland, the Americans have reinforced their defenses with 600 more troops in the south and 800 in the north. 4 GMDs have been launched to destroy the Russian carrier groups with air support offered by 40 F-18s and a squadron of F-22s; the planes are also cloud-seeding to further reduce visual reckonings and accuracy of the Russian space weaponry. The southern American carrier group has been tasked with destroying coastal targets and neutralizing targets along the major Icelandic highway.

In action by the Russians, activated units in Iceland have been designated targets for their satellite weapons with IR signatures. Still, accuracy remains low because of mobilizing targets and ground-to-space time elapse in terms of communication. 55% accuracy rates have been reported. In the north, the Russian fleet continues to press successfully have launched amphibious assaults to outflank the American defenses. This has been somewhat favorable for the Russians, but the remaining American defense continue to present the Russians with high casualty ratios. The Russians also press in the south with cohesive utilization of ballistic submarines. The weary American fleet has lost some ground (or water, rather), but remains vigilant. Supreme air cover has also allowed the Americans to continue their defensive prevalence. It has been reported that center-line Russian offensive has begun to retreat little-by-little. It is expected that this will allow them to refresh their troops and things of the like. While this happens, CAS flights along with bombers have begun targeting southern targets; American SAMs and MANPADS have been able to rack in a nice number of kills.

Overall, the southern American troops have been able to keep steady. In the north the Russians continue to prevail making the capital their main target. The Russians also continue to introduce new weapon systems while the Americans continue to utilize true and tried defense methods. Right now, the battlefield remains in a prospect of who can last in this isolated battlefield.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:25 pm
Quoting Will G.
A.K.A.
Nick's mom...

A HA!!! Most humorous!

Jolly good show, old chum!
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| June 12, 2010, 11:27 pm
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Although late to be announced due to communication error, around 2300 EST PCU paratroopers were landed in the towns of Abilene and San Antonio. Each town "received" a supplement of 5,000 troops. They will be detaining all Texans with registered firearms via record tracking. CAS (this includes gunship helis) and AC-130 sorties have begun destroying non-utilized vehicles. Main travel junctions like bridges, road structures, and railroads are being neutralized and/or destroyed.

And my I add that the Texan citizens that have to pay for all these damages are just going to raise Meprise when tax-time comes.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:36 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
And my I add that the Texan citizens that have to pay for all these damages are just going to raise Meprise when tax-time comes.

Indeed. However, tax time is a year away.
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| June 12, 2010, 11:38 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


In other, most happy news, the Kaiser Pharaoh has found love... a new Empress may be in office soon.


Congratulations. Here in the Roman land, Emperor Michael is unmarried. Doesn't mean his nightlife is boring though, if you know what I mean. Hurr hurr hurr.

In most srs bsns news, Italy goes as usual. They keep counterattacking our positions, but they never stay long enough to hold anything. It's almost as if they're trying to get us to chase them...
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| June 12, 2010, 11:46 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Congratulations. Here in the Roman land, Emperor Michael is unmarried. Doesn't mean his nightlife is boring though, if you know what I mean. Hurr hurr hurr.


Same here in PCU. On the bright side, we don't have Monica Lewinsky types around here.
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| June 13, 2010, 12:00 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Indeed. However, tax time is a year away.

However, you spend a cr@pload of money everyday. You spend like Bush on the Iraq war.
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| June 13, 2010, 12:19 am
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Quoting Will G.
However, you spend a cr@pload of money everyday. You spend like Bush on the Iraq war.


But you liked Bush, right?

I actually don't know. The Roman Empire laughs at your petty democracies. Autocracy is the path to true power!
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| June 13, 2010, 12:37 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Congratulations. Here in the Roman land, Emperor Michael is unmarried. Doesn't mean his nightlife is boring though, if you know what I mean. Hurr hurr hurr.


OH GOD...

Ancient Roman society (after Augustus)...

o_O

Ha, I'm sure it isn't like that, though. After all, this is really Eastern Rome.
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| June 13, 2010, 12:46 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

OH GOD...

Ancient Roman society (after Augustus)...

o_O

Ha, I'm sure it isn't like that, though. After all, this is really Eastern Rome.


Yes, Eastern Rome was a bit more uptight with morals. But this is the 21st century, after all... But whatever we do by night does not matter, for we build tanks by day. And our tanks are the best. Maybe.
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| June 13, 2010, 12:49 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yes, Eastern Rome was a bit more uptight with morals. But this is the 21st century, after all... But whatever we do by night does not matter, for we build tanks by day. And our tanks are the best. Maybe.


Yes, yes you do. And those tanks will be coming to Iceland to turn the tide.

Ach schnappen!
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| June 13, 2010, 7:56 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
HA HA HA...

Military space race, eh?

Since the documents were IN the German Empire, I think we have a good chance seeing the checkered flag first.

In other, most happy news, the Kaiser Pharaoh has found love... a new Empress may be in office soon.


How long do you think it'll take for that reactor I commissioned to be ready? There could be a teensy-tiny bit of time pressure involved somewhere.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The Russians also continue to introduce new weapon systems while the Americans continue to utilize true and tried defense methods. Right now, the battlefield remains in a prospect of who can last in this isolated battlefield.


Dawn'll win. When your enemy can drop large metal objects the size of a prize pumpkin on your head from orbit, there's not really much you can do about it.

Well, actually, less 'dropping' and more 'firing at hypersonic velocities' but that's semantics.
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| June 13, 2010, 9:41 am
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Quoting Areetsa C

Dawn'll win. When your enemy can drop large metal objects the size of a prize pumpkin on your head from orbit, there's not really much you can do about it.

Well, actually, less 'dropping' and more 'firing at hypersonic velocities' but that's semantics.


When your enemy can shoot down the satellite that the projectile launcher is on, there is not much you can do about it. Yes, I found it in Germany.
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| June 13, 2010, 11:58 am
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Quoting Chairman Ham

When your enemy can shoot down the satellite that the projectile launcher is on, there is not much you can do about it. Yes, I found it in Germany.

Sorry Ham, I plan for everything just ask Awe. Its reasons like this that I am hiding the stats from all but a select few.
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| June 13, 2010, 12:06 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Sorry Ham, I plan for everything just ask Awe. Its reasons like this that I am hiding the stats from all but a select few.

Arg, you won't even tell me.

XD

Anywho, not much to say, cept we too are mopping up in Kazakastan, eliminating most who point a gun at us.
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| June 13, 2010, 12:41 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Sorry Ham, I plan for everything just ask Awe. Its reasons like this that I am hiding the stats from all but a select few.


Everything, you say? There are infinite ways of accomplishing a task like shooting down your satellite, it just depends on your technology and your willingness to think outside the box. And I don't think you planned for this one.
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| June 13, 2010, 12:54 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

Everything, you say? There are infinite ways of accomplishing a task like shooting down your satellite, it just depends on your technology and your willingness to think outside the box. And I don't think you planned for this one.
And no matter what it is you are going to get hurt a lot worse. :)

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| June 13, 2010, 1:31 pm
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The Carrier Group Nick Shelton is now heading to Iceland. No shots will be fired, we are just trying to improve stability, kind of like how the US Navy was in the Persian Gulf during the Iran/Iraq War.
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| June 13, 2010, 2:27 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
So question.

What exactly do you have that will stop twenty or so ASAT missiles from ramming into one of your over-complicated space guns?

Kinetic kill machines are only so effective.


Forsooth.
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| June 13, 2010, 3:32 pm
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The PCU Navy has received the HGS Freedom. The HGS Democracy, HGS Diplomacy, and HGS Conservative will soon arrive as well.
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| June 13, 2010, 4:52 pm
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Out of 2.5 million soldiers available at this moment, 500,000 are currently deployed in Italy. The Italian army is no bigger than approximately 100,000 soldiers, and since they are fighting a two-front war, we estimate somewhere around 50,000 enemies stand between us and victory. Our half a million should be more than enough to deal with this.

This leaves two million on the home front. 400,000 will be embarking on a quest of sorts this afternoon. Their destination is undisclosed, but you may be able to guess it. One million and five hundred and ninety thousand will be left deploy throughout the Empire, making sure it's secure. Those other 10,000 left will also be embarking to an undisclosed location to fulfill their quest.

This is the Roman Empire being pseudo-sneaky.
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| June 13, 2010, 5:39 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Their destination is undisclosed, but you may be able to guess it.

This is the Roman Empire being pseudo-sneaky.


Narnia. Oz. Nickolas Shelton's closet. Somewhere in between Osama and Amelia Earhart.
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| June 13, 2010, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

Narnia. Oz. Nickolas Shelton's closet. Somewhere in between Osama and Amelia Earhart.


Fact: I can travel between closets.

And wrong to all of them, they're going to Middle Earth to aid Sauron in his war.
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| June 13, 2010, 6:01 pm
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French troops in Ravenna were able to press deeper into the city thanks to the CAS flights coming from Rome. It's expected that nearly 2,500+ enemy forces are in the area and at least 320+ were neutralized. 800 more Marines will be flown in tonight to supplement losses and freshen the lines. Also, the invasion forces pressing towards Imperia have engaged the futile defenses in the city. A small detachment of 400 Marines entered the city and engaged targets near towns edge. From there the invasionary force coming directly from France pressed forward with the aid of 20 AMBT Mk.IIIs coming fresh of the lines for field testing and 42 AIFVs. 5 LARAs offered in-air reconnaissance and airborne target neutralization. As it stands, the area should be secured 26 hours from now. Forces in the north will link with them within the next 14 hours.
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| June 13, 2010, 7:27 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
...Elvis?

Nick, is it just me or is the HGS Freedom and HGS Democracy sort of ironic for your government type?

Totally ironic.
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| June 13, 2010, 7:45 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Totally ironic.


Same here. Two of the carriers in Iceland were previously named the NES John Adams and the NES Samuel Adams. No democracy for joo.
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| June 13, 2010, 8:04 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Fact: I can travel between closets.

And wrong to all of them, they're going to Middle Earth to aid Sauron in his war.

Closets? As in your in the closet?

>
:^D
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| June 13, 2010, 10:20 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Closets? As in your in the closet?

>
:^D


That would have been funnier if it wasn't so confusing. "As in 'You're in the closet?'" would have been easier to read, or at least just you're.

And no, I'm not in that closet. The only closet I'm in is the one where they keep things, and I peer out from behind the door in a creepy manner.
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| June 13, 2010, 10:35 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Fact: I can travel between closets.

Are you ever going to come out of said closet?

/slaps knee.
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| June 13, 2010, 10:37 pm
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The Icelandic War continues with the Russians pushing on. Their northern troops continue to press towards the capital. High-altitude reconnaissance airplanes have begun tracking SAM sites and whatever production facilities on the island so the satellites may resume their destruction. And by some whim of Russian force it is said that some 400 fighters and 200 bombers are underway. These numbers are highly doubted granted that this is pretty close to mobilizing an entire air force leaving little home defense. Aside from that, a secondary fleet is heading from Russia to Iceland for support.

To counter the Russian advances in the north, American troops have positioned flanking pinches to neutralize their advance, or at least buy enough time to mobilize their heavy armour (King Leos). 10 reserve Apache helis have been flown to the area as well. A great number of American fighters have been focused on destroying landing troops. A squadron of F-18s and F-22s have been delegated to coordinate turn-based strikes on the Russian fleet. This has lead to some damage, but not munch granted the mass number of aircraft being mobilized by the carrier group.

Also, a third-party naval group has been engaging the Russian navy by surprise causing severe immediate damage. Six vessels have been reported as neutralized. The culprits have been suspected to be submarines of some calibre. No American targets have been recognized.

And by a grand surprise, the PCU has landed 1000 Marines upon the North Carolinian coast. Landing at Newport News, they quickly disabled defenses utilizing CAS flights and F-35s. Heavy armour has already landed establishing a command center at the shipyards. Several battleships and destroyers are in the area for support.

As this was/is happening, another carrier group steamed for Iceland. PT boats, destroyers, and battleships unleashed hundreds of munitions upon the American navy destroying coastline targets and dozens of ships in the support fleet(s). Combat sorties were then launched by the PCU supercarrier. ICBM launches have been detected and the damage report awaits.
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| June 13, 2010, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Also, a third-party naval group has been engaging the Russian navy by surprise causing severe immediate damage. Six vessels have been reported as neutralized. The culprits have been suspected to be submarines of some calibre. No American targets have been recognized.


It was Cliffe! No, Evan! Wait, Cliffe! Cliffe and Evan! Anyone who hates the PCU!
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| June 13, 2010, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Are you ever going to come out of said closet?

/slaps knee.


Can't come out of a closet I've never been in.
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| June 13, 2010, 10:47 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

It was Cliffe! No, Evan! Wait, Cliffe! Cliffe and Evan! Anyone who hates the PCU!

It was you! Or Will...or maybe even Ham himself!
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| June 13, 2010, 10:52 pm
Nick...

You invaded Ham...

The Imperial Federation of Prusso-Egypt now officially declares war on the Pacific Empire. Nick, you're doomed.

Really.
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| June 13, 2010, 11:27 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Nick...

You invaded Ham...

The Imperial Federation of Prusso-Egypt now officially declares war on the Pacific Empire. Nick, you're doomed.

Really.


Oh my. This war just got real. We all knew this day would come...

Anyways, I'm really not sure if I should continue sending you the new tanks if they will be used on our allies in the New World.
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| June 14, 2010, 12:01 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Nick...

You invaded Ham...

The Imperial Federation of Prusso-Egypt now officially declares war on the Pacific Empire. Nick, you're doomed.

Really.
This action by you has deemed you a :( my the IRA. Your arrogance has earned you an over-confidence pin.

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| June 14, 2010, 6:46 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Nick...

You invaded Ham...

The Imperial Federation of Prusso-Egypt now officially declares war on the Pacific Empire. Nick, you're doomed.

Really.

Heh.

As you must now from prior experiences with Ham, a plan must go off with utmost precision.

While you may think of us as the aggressor, the PCU will not seek any land except for the Newport News Northrop Grumman Shipyards.
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| June 14, 2010, 7:19 am
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The PCU Navy is sending the four Patriot class Missile Cruisers to the Atlantic for the much anticipated Laser vs. Missile Battle between the two opposing Navies of Cliffe and Nick. Also, the Romans have ordered 10 of the Patriot class, and they will be transported to them by next Saturday.
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| June 14, 2010, 7:37 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oh my. This war just got real. We all knew this day would come...

Anyways, I'm really not sure if I should continue sending you the new tanks if they will be used on our allies in the New World.

Well, you handed over the design to us, so we produce them now, but don't worry, I won't use them- I'm using the Egyptians, not the Germans. And I'm really sorry I have to do this to your faithful old ally, but he crossed the line too many times.
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| June 14, 2010, 1:09 pm
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@Cliffe: Crossed too many lines? Dawn is fighting a war with Ham, but you didn't even care until I jumped in.
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| June 14, 2010, 1:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
@Cliffe: Crossed too many lines? Dawn is fighting a war with Ham, but you didn't even care until I jumped in.

No, he cared, enough for "Submarines of sorts" sounds like a U-boat Huh?
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| June 14, 2010, 1:33 pm
Quoting John Dawn
No, he cared, enough for "Submarines of sorts" sounds like a U-boat Huh?

CONGRATULATIONS, A WINNER IS YOU
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| June 14, 2010, 1:46 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
CONGRATULATIONS, A WINNER IS YOU

I seen you learned your lesson from the other group.
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| June 14, 2010, 1:51 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Mind if we join you? Australia has more than enough rocks to hide under.

From this point on, no technology will be sold to aggressor nations. So until the war ends and the Oceanian foreign security council deems it safe, Prusso-Egypt, The PE, and the B.E.A.R. will not be able to purchase Oceanian equipment.

Don't forget the SRGL.
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| June 14, 2010, 2:14 pm
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Panama was taken by the PCU today, and ships can now pass through the Panama Canal again. In Columbia, a new sheriff is in town, Juan. We're going to let him go and take Venezuela too.

In the Gulf Of Mexico, the PCU Navy is on high alert. 20,000 troops and a fleet coming is not a thing to be taken lightly.
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| June 14, 2010, 2:28 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Panama was taken by the PCU today, and ships can now pass through the Panama Canal again. In Columbia, a new sheriff is in town, Juan. We're going to let him go and take Venezuela too.

In the Gulf Of Mexico, the PCU Navy is on high alert. 20,000 troops and a fleet coming is not a thing to be taken lightly.

I can see it now, "Nick Shelton, King of teh 1337 N008s!1!11!!1."
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| June 14, 2010, 2:33 pm
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Quoting Will G.
I can see it now, "Nick Shelton, King of teh 1337 N008s!1!11!!1."

Juan. isn't a noob, its not right to call him one.
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| June 14, 2010, 2:35 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Nick...

You invaded Ham...

The Imperial Federation of Prusso-Egypt now officially declares war on the Pacific Empire. Nick, you're doomed.

Really.


Plus the fact that he just made a HUGE strategice mistake. And I won't publicly say what it is until after the report. Heres a hint: It has to do with ships. My ships, your ships, I won't say.

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| June 14, 2010, 3:03 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Juan. isn't a noob, its not right to call him one.

I guess I don't know him. But Nick is still the king of them. The Queen however would be Marks.
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| June 14, 2010, 3:12 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

Plus the fact that he just made a HUGE strategice mistake. And I won't publicly say what it is until after the report. Heres a hint: It has to do with ships. My ships, your ships, I won't say.

We care not for your plans that were in place before I attacked. Do not deny this was planned.
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| June 14, 2010, 3:18 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
We care not for your plans that were in place before I attacked. Do not deny this was planned.


On the contrary, they were not.


The SRGL pledges today to help any nation threatened by the PCU. That include Texas and Venezuela. Also, enlistment in the Armed Forces has gone up since the attack.
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| June 14, 2010, 3:36 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

On the contrary, they were not.


The SRGL pledges today to help any nation threatened by the PCU. That include Texas and Venezuela. Also, enlistment in the Armed Forces has gone up since the attack.

PCU wishes to inform you that Venezuela is under conquest by Columbia, which is not under the PCU.
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| June 14, 2010, 3:48 pm
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With the UK mobilizing its forces across all hemispheres, or so it seems, the French Foreign Legion and all accompanying equipment will be on a lease-lend standard in the most loose meaning of the phrase. This is in enactment of the ADCC and should not be recognized as the drawing of France into in any conflict. As it stands, the FFL is under British policy aside from casualty report.

Also, France will be launching 32 MRNCs into the Straits for regular patrols and defense. These will be in common report with UK policy along with the FFL.
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| June 14, 2010, 4:27 pm
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In Italy, the forces within Imperia were able to secure a 20 mile perimeter ahead of schedule. This will allow for any counteroffensive by the Italians to be intercepted and neutralized. It is hoped that within the next 72 hours coalition forces will be able to unite the Ligurian coasts. In Ravenna, the Italians have dispatched one of their armoured regiments to push allied troops back into the sea which in turn means a mass surrender. The three squadrons of MCAPs have been working around the clock to destroy designated targets. Combat is fierce and reinforcements have been sent nearing the number of 2800 troops. These men will be landed within 48 hours and should near an LZ north towards the inward city of Ferrara. Back towards the Franco-Italian lines in the west, northern troops are gearing up and gaining rest. The next few dozen miles will lead to heavily defended targets cities by the name of Vercelli, Novara, and Asti.

Overall, reinforcements are being sent all over to increase morale and effectiveness. Within the next two weeks, pressure will increase as allied forces near the central population district (CPD) and former Yugoslavian border.
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| June 14, 2010, 4:47 pm
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So, I was doing my English final, writing about what I'd learned. I wrote about how I learned people are evil, cruel, and selfish. I used this group as an example.

Anyways, our troops have run into heavy resistance in the hills of Moise, especially around the town of Campobasso. We're holding our ground there, but advancing no further in that direction. Meanwhile, the road to Benevento is being cleaned of all enemy presence with artillery and lots of air cover. The Italian airforce has engaged several times, but no significant losses have occurred to either side. Our forces are advancing on the towns of Ariano Irpino, in Campania, and Fasano, near our landing zones. We now have several hundred thousand troops and several hundred vehicles deployed.
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| June 14, 2010, 5:59 pm
Due to the increased tensions in europe, Finland and Estonia have voted for their annexation into the LBS. The vote passed by overwhelming margins.
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| June 14, 2010, 6:25 pm
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The PCU awaits to combat report...

The PCU also awaits the Patriot class Missile Cruisers to move into place near North Carolina.
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| June 14, 2010, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU awaits to combat report...

The PCU also awaits the Patriot class Missile Cruisers to move into place near North Carolina.


Trust me, you don't want to see it. Seriously. It may be a repeat of "Total Annihilation Day".
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| June 14, 2010, 7:55 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

Trust me, you don't want to see it. Seriously. It may be a repeat of "Total Annihilation Day".


I'm expecting ICBMs all over Portland...
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| June 14, 2010, 8:06 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

I'm expecting ICBMs all over Portland...



That would not be chivalrous. :P

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| June 14, 2010, 8:12 pm
Quoting Chairman Ham

On the contrary, they were not.


The SRGL pledges today to help any nation threatened by the PCU. That include Texas and Venezuela. Also, enlistment in the Armed Forces has gone up since the attack.

The FTSA is mobelising almost it's entire Navy to help Ham. The rest is of other plans. Involving John. That's right, I am tri-allying. The weird alliences I am.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:11 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Chivalry is a tactical error on the modern battlefield.

>.>

Oh, and Nick: Need any battleships from me?

We have five, and Project X. Hmm, how many more can you send?
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| June 14, 2010, 9:12 pm
Okay-

I am allied to-

Ham

John

Areetsa

Brendon

And yet they are all at war in one way or another...

Although Areetsa and John are a given.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:17 pm
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Everybody count up the nations now involved! Cliffe, Nick, Gober(I'm helping him), Finn, John, Evan, and myself! We went from 2 nations this time last night, to a whopping SEVEN nations! Oh my, this is going to destroy the world for sure.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:19 pm
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Now that this conflict has been categorized as world war....

Operation Voron is now in effect.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:21 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
The FTSA is mobelising almost it's entire Navy to help Ham. The rest is of other plans. Involving John. That's right, I am tri-allying. The weird alliences I am.

Wow. That's not going to work. Friendly fire, blockades, security risks. You're going to lose quite a few men.

And just a note because there have been a lot of statistical fallacies. Most air forces contain under 900 aircraft. So, those of you who are mobilizing hundreds of aircraft upon a pesky island are putting yourselves at risk for some homeland invasion. Also, the larger the munition, the larger the costs. Missiles are multi-thousand dollar pieces of equipment and vastly-sized ballistic missiles are generally multi-million dollar units. Don't bankrupt your armies before they can fight. On note of increases in military size, you still have account for weeks of training unless you want to put a civilian with pretty-penny equipment on the field to be neutralized. Fuel cost is another thing concerning me. I see large task forces mobilizing in a matter of days, and petrol ain't cheap. So, y'all, lets keep things sensible.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
So, I was doing my English final, writing about what I'd learned. I wrote about how I learned people are evil, cruel, and selfish. I used this group as an example.

Anyways, our troops have run into heavy resistance in the hills of Moise, especially around the town of Campobasso. We're holding our ground there, but advancing no further in that direction. Meanwhile, the road to Benevento is being cleaned of all enemy presence with artillery and lots of air cover. The Italian airforce has engaged several times, but no significant losses have occurred to either side. Our forces are advancing on the towns of Ariano Irpino, in Campania, and Fasano, near our landing zones. We now have several hundred thousand troops and several hundred vehicles deployed.

Nick...

>.>


*Anyway
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| June 14, 2010, 9:26 pm
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@Evan: Would this Offensive have me attacking you or you attacking me?
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| June 14, 2010, 9:28 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Wow. That's not going to work. Friendly fire, blockades, security risks. You're going to lose quite a few men.

And just a note because there have been a lot of statistical fallacies. Most air forces contain under 900 aircraft. So, those of you who are mobilizing hundreds of aircraft upon a pesky island are putting yourselves at risk for some homeland invasion. Also, the larger the munition, the larger the costs. Missiles are multi-thousand dollar pieces of equipment and vastly-sized ballistic missiles are generally multi-million dollar units. Don't bankrupt your armies before they can fight. On note of increases in military size, you still have account for weeks of training unless you want to put a civilian with pretty-penny equipment on the field to be neutralized. Fuel cost is another thing concerning me. I see large task forces mobilizing in a matter of days, and petrol ain't cheap. So, y'all, lets keep things sensible.

Here's what is going on...

I am sending my entire navy (well, not really, roughly half, with some of my army and airforce) to aid Ham in Amerlands, and two Aircraft carriers to Iceland. So... That would be that.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:33 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick


Tomorrow, we coordinate our attacks. But today, let chaos reign.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:37 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Orgnztn is epix srs ovr8ted.

I think a no-fire agreement would be in the best interest between our two nations. We really don't have anything to fight about.
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| June 14, 2010, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Unfortunately, we do. The preservation of Ham as a regional power is key to my national interests.

We aren't wishing to cause that power to fall. We only want Newport News!
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| June 14, 2010, 9:52 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
You are joking.

That's what WWIII has been started over.

>.>
And Iceland

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| June 14, 2010, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
You are joking.

That's what WWIII has been started over.

>.>

WWIII almost started over Kentucky a couple weeks ago. That's all I ask for, Newport News, and then I just stroll off into the sunset...
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| June 14, 2010, 10:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
WWIII almost started over Kentucky a couple weeks ago. That's all I ask for, Newport News, and then I just stroll off into the sunset...


I COULD go with just the Braveheart speech, but this is better in explaining why that won't happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wRkzCW5qI
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| June 14, 2010, 10:08 pm
I can verify that I am allied with 3 of the 4 alliences, but am probably going to take a turn for two. So I ask John, and Ham, to comprimise on Iceland and divert forces to attack the PE.

In other words, I declare war on the PE.
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| June 14, 2010, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Chairman Ham

I COULD go with just the Braveheart speech, but this is better in explaining why that won't happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wRkzCW5qI

Likewise, Ham, likewise...
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| June 14, 2010, 10:13 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
WWIII almost started over Kentucky a couple weeks ago. That's all I ask for, Newport News, and then I just stroll off into the sunset...

You obviously have no clue what you're doing if you think it's OK to invade another country just to get a little something and not expect any major retaliation. If you did expect retaliation, then you just aren't being serious, and will suffer the consequences.
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| June 14, 2010, 10:18 pm
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.....and the iron fist closes on the glorious empire.

Cliffe, you KNOW if this was happening to you, you'd rage quit and rant about how everybody strongly di5likes you...
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| June 14, 2010, 10:19 pm
New topic, NOU
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| June 14, 2010, 10:22 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You obviously have no clue what you're doing if you think it's OK to attack another country just to get a little something and not expect any major retaliation. If you did expect retaliation, then you just aren't being serious, and will suffer the consequences.
one word changed and it works

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| June 14, 2010, 10:27 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
The FTSA is mobelising almost it's entire Navy to help Ham. The rest is of other plans. Involving John. That's right, I am tri-allying. The weird alliences I am.


Phew, what a mess.

Quoting Evan Melick
The Commonwealth would now also like to declare our intents. Because of their hostile intent to Ham, hostilities are now commenced against the PCU, and their allies (which include the Russias'?).


I haven't got a clue.

The alliance hasn't exactly been communicating intents among itself recently. I don't know anything about what Finn and Dawn're doing, they don't know very much about what I'm doing and none of us have a clue regarding how the others will act.

You see: Finn is aiding Ham in America. Ham is also at war with Dawn over Iceland, and Dawn has a mutual protection/national bond with Finn and myself. You know, if most countries ran themselves the way the B.E.A.R. does, they'd have blown themselves up in civil wars long ago.

Most likely Ham and Dawn will sign a ceasefire, but who knows.

As for us: we're rushing in some new equipment really fast.

Project Ploughshare is definitely a go.
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| June 14, 2010, 10:38 pm
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If Nick gets New port News I'll hand over Iceland, and begin withdrawing troops and not attack.
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| June 14, 2010, 10:41 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
.....and the iron fist closes on the glorious empire.

Cliffe, you KNOW if this was happening to you, you'd rage quit and rant about how everybody strongly di5likes you...

Nope, if this was happening to me, I would just have to realize I had no clue what I'm doing, withdraw my actions, apologize, give up a fair amount of my non-important territory and promise to be isolationist for a while. And if it was in a group like this one, I would be forgiven if I did all of that.
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| June 14, 2010, 10:43 pm
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Well, WWIII is as at a go and I really don't want to right a wall of text everyday so updates will most likely come every-other day. Wars take awhile, so nothing major will change. All plans are asked to sent before 2200 hours EST the day of the update.

Anyhow, the PCU is supporting their landing party in Newport News with a continuation of its naval barrage. This has presented many obstacles for the SRGL counter offensive leaving them with no retaken territory. However, Imperial troops have also launched another offensive in Minnesota after a barrage of several dozen ICBMs were launched upon the SRGL capital and other high-density places along the Great Lakes and Eastern Seaboard. The targeted area is Carlton. Armoured regiments pushed through the area with light-medium resistance granted the sheer shock of this assault. Casualty ratios are much higher on the SRGL side which lacked proper backing on the heavier spectrum of vehicular support. CAS attacks then engaged the town Davenport, Illinois. All enemy military support items were targeted with 2/3 of them eliminated. Major traffic junctions were then destroyed leaving the area with a high order of damage. It has been reported that some seven PCU planes were neutralized in the attack.

Because of the strain put on PCU forces, attacks in Texas have been reduced and the target ratio has decreased, but still with heavy use of shock-and-awe weaponry.

The PCU has granted most of its protective power to cover the landing Roman troops presented for the Icelandic theatre. A window was opened for the Romans to land after nearly 24 hours of assaulting the weary SRGL naval task force. The landing party is now forwarding towards the capital of Iceland with CAS flights accompanying them. Intermediate progress has been made with combat fatigue setting in on the island-going American troops. 55 Imperial ICBMs were also fired at the Prusso-Egyptian task force with light-medium damage being reported. The cloud-seeding and heavy air traffic caused electrostatic disruption in some of the sensitive targeting equipment.

In terms of the Russians, reports of a shipment of their new MBTs have hit intelligence. The number is unknown due to various blockades and combative seas. At sea, supposed magnetic mines have been utilized. These hope to latch upon enemy subs and other vessels. No true damage has been brought to attention because of polycarbon materials that encase the surface of most underwater craft.

The Russians have also launched a vast assault on the Prussian homeland. Some 1.9 million soldiers have been devoted to traversing onto Prussian soil with the support of nearly 1,000 tanks. However, due to increase Prussian security, their AF was able to alert their military command structure and CAS flights began strafing and bombardment upon the Russian troops. Casualty numbers are already nearing the thousands. A secondary assault was also conducted upon the Egyptian coasts, but to limited effect. With the Prussians quickly relaying the Russian attack, mobile SAM sites were put on alert along with all active forces. Of the 600 Russian planes sent, it is suspected that only 200 got near their mark. However, the Russian sat. weapons prove to be more effective; 64% accuracy rate.

On note of the SRGL (commonly referred by me as the Americans), they have mobilize their fleet from Guyana to the Panama Canal. This fleet is a dual-carrier task force with a couple hundred F-18s aboard. They have been able to eliminate several PCU vessels thus far and so new support ships have been locked into combat. 5 Virginia-class submarines are also in the area to provide support.

The Americans have also mobilized a grand spectacle of military might. It's been called the Second March to Sea. However although 40,000 troops are moving into the direction of the PCU assault, their large numbers slowed their advancement and the Imperial forces were able to strike first. Large AF and armour advancements have been directed into Virginia as well, but you've heard the outcome of that thus far.

Two American carrier groups were launched towards Iceland to engage the PCU fleet. They took minor damage upon exiting their waters due to the PCU presence, but were able to direct themselves accordingly. They engaged the Imperial fleet with support of 3 Virginias. Casualty numbers are quite high with Intermediate Ballistic Missile launches from the subs. Exact numbers are unknown, but both factions' fleets are still operational with effectiveness.

25 King Leos have been unleashed in Iceland by the Americans. Using superior range (which can be debated over with effective means), they were able to intercept some of the north-coming enemies. ICBM launches have also been detected to head for PCU shipyards. Of the fifteen launched, at least four are know to have met their mark.

Nearly 1000 Prusso-Egyptian aircraft have been launched against the PCU in all territories; that means the Americas and Iceland. Tasks have been split by the dual AF, but most of the northern hemisphere has been left to the Luftwaffe and the rest goes to Egypt. The goal will be air superiority. They've done a nice job so far by catching their foes a tad off guard, but military air defenses are still offered by SAMs and domestics AFs. Casualties are expected to be quite high. The Egyptian Spaceborne Weapons Program has also been reactivated and should be readying for primary attack.

On note of the UK, they were able to demonstrate a major power flux when entering Icelandic waters. They eliminated targets from afar with their much updated GMDs. Several Russian vessels were neutralized with a slight stealth factor going to the British because of their missiles' range. As it stands, their support fleet is nearing their land-based targets and hope to land overnight. The Russian fleet in the Baltic has also been engaged with huge favor going towards the UK because of similar above reasons.

And I don't want to hear any defensive statements on how I'm wrong and this-and-that, and no quoting this comment. I've analyzed these plans, yes all of them, over and over. Casualty reports will be given next update and will continue in this pattern.
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| June 14, 2010, 11:36 pm
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Someone needs to have a word with Finn and Dawn about fighting wars on two fronts.

I mean, Finn's supporting Cliffe and Ham and Dawn's invading Cliffe and Ham.

Makes me glad I'm not between the two of them.
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| June 15, 2010, 12:26 am
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