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International Conversation Forum XXIII
Twenty-three, here we come.

There's a whole lot of stuff going on in the world right now. As Evan said, the world is going to he|| in a handbasket...

So anyway,
-The PCU and FTSA are battering and frying Texas
-PCU is also involved in war with SRGL and Canada
-Africa's in shambles from widespread conflict
-and a few other things
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| September 15, 2010, 10:16 pm
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Quoting Rocky W.
Twenty-three, here we come.

There's a whole lot of stuff going on in the world right now. As Evan said, the world is going to he|| in a handbasket...

So anyway,
-The PCU and FTSA are battering and frying Texas
-PCU is also involved in war with SRGL and Canada
-Africa's in shambles from widespread conflict
-and a few other things


Too bad the pan isn't on the stove...
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| September 15, 2010, 10:21 pm
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Texas Front

Mayhem has been unleashed. The Texan civilians and Soldiers are highly motivated, remembering the massacres that occurred around the country yesterday.

The day started with a repeated attempt to bomb the enemy into submission by the PCU, this time targeting Houston. Unfortunately, spirited fighter and Anti Aircraft fire created such a thick wall of flak and missiles, that the majority of the bombers were destroyed. Only two bombers survived. Houston has been rattled, but this victory has stregnthened resolve among Texans. They continue to resist everywhere, and by this point in time, making reckless decisions to save their homes, and exact revenge. While reckless, their heroic efforts have halted the enemy's advance, although eventually larger number of equipment- as well as diminishing supplies- may force them to willfully give ground.

A massive formation of 150,000 FTSA troop force with heavy fighter cover, as well as great amounts of armor, have started a great advance up along the coast to the Louisiana border. These troops headed to Beaumont, Texas, and an incredible battle occurred. Vastly outnumbered and outgunned, the Texans staged another Alamo- they fought to the last man, to the last round. While the defense was annihilated systematically over the course of the 10 hour battle, they leave behind 100 smoldering vehicles, including tanks, as well as 5,000 casualties (2,358 KIA). Nonetheless, yesterday's batch of 75,000 troops and armor met up with the victorious forces and bet up in Beaumont, ready to push towards all nearby cities in Texas.

Being Mexican Independence day, Mexican militia/ rebels have revolted against the PCU government in place there. The uprising killed several government officials and have forced the regional president (or whatever the PCU uses) to go into hiding.

SRGL/ PCU

Today, in a surprise move, the PCU backed out of the SRGL near its breach in Wisconsin. It soon became apparent that they were loaded onto aircraft, and with heavy fighter cover, attempted to land in the SRGL's capital. The SRGL, while depleted and weak from the few days of combat, were able to shoot down many of the highly vunerable C-130s despite all chaff/flares and fighter cover. The attack was unsuccessful, and the survivors have relocated back to the Murus wall to prepare a renewed offensive. Thrown off by this change of plans, SRGL forces did NOT take advantage of this brief reprise, as they fully expected a massive attack. However, their artillery did not shy away from pounding the Murus wall once more.

At Newport News, things got a bit tricky. The SRGL launched an unprecedented counterattack, involving more than 30,000 troops. They were supported by multiple new submarines and attack helicopters. The 30,000 troops easily overwhelmed the beleaguered 3,000 defenders, and managed to catch and kill a PCU spec ops team attempting to steal plans from the shipyards (nationalities were determined from unit markings and tattoos on the victims). SRGL Special forces boarded the Great Lakes class supercarrier under construction there, and secured it from a weak security force.

Of course, the naval battle was very large as well today. The PCU fleet, which was providing heavy fire support, came under fire initially from large number of drones (diverted from the land battle). These drones did little damage, but allowed 6 new Virginia class subs to get into position and fire all of their brand new thermobaric torpedoes at the PCU fleet. The majority of the escort carriers were targeted, and 2 were sunk by these new high powered weapons. Three Mackinac class destroyers joined the fray, launching missiles at the PCU fleet. Their missiles were jammed by the PCU fleet, and scored only one hit, which damaged a PCU ship.

Newport News is firmly back in SRGL hands, and their fleet has had to turn North to get away from the prowling Virginia class subs.

That's it for tonight, tomorrow should be an epic battle.
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| September 15, 2010, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Ok, I just finished up my Physics stuff, so I'm going to do something now, I promise. D:

Yay!

*Sits down with popcorn to watch Africa go up in smoke*
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| September 15, 2010, 10:56 pm
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It's funny because Nick doesn't own Mexico. Therefore, the Mexican unrest is of no consequence.
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| September 15, 2010, 11:08 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
It's funny because Nick doesn't own Mexico. Therefore, the Mexican unrest is of no consequence.


Once again, I go by FMs. I trust the people that send me these things to have their own facts straight >.>
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| September 15, 2010, 11:11 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Once again, I go by FMs. I trust the people that send me these things to have their own facts straight >.>


Apparently they didn't get the word Nick gave up most of his external territory, and failed to look at the latest map update.
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| September 15, 2010, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Apparently they didn't get the word Nick gave up most of his external territory, and failed to look at the latest map update.


Indeed it would seem so.
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| September 15, 2010, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Today's update was trash I know, I am sorry. I'm basically asleep at the moment. In tomorrow's update, I'll make sure to get a more accurate picture of the casualties up.

I thought it was fine.
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| September 15, 2010, 11:19 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Today's update was trash I know, I am sorry. I'm basically asleep at the moment. In tomorrow's update, I'll make sure to get a more accurate picture of the casualties up.

It looked fine to me! Though I might have wanted more descriptors attached to Operation Eagle like: "Overwhelmingly genius," "Lighting up the sky," and maybe "The battle we've all been waiting for?" =D
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| September 15, 2010, 11:21 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick

-Egyptian fleet, (with the flagship no longer being the Horus)

Ok, The flagship was not the Horus. The Horus was the first of the Talon of Horus class destroyers, making it the first destroyer in a series of destroyers of the same class. The ship sunk by those missiles was a destroyer. It wasn't vitally important.

The Egyptian fleet has cruisers and aircraft carriers that can serve as the flagship of the fleet. No doubt one of his cruiser or carriers was the flagship, but not a destroyer.
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| September 15, 2010, 11:36 pm
Mongolian forces have been loaded on to transport craft in Seward and are now leisrely making their way back along with our Russian buddies. In other news, I will test the coil guns (which have now reached the coast) whenever I get a break in between school and Reach on the 360 my little brother bought last night.
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| September 16, 2010, 8:59 am
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So, can someone explain to me why PCU special forces have tattoos and unit insignias? Because I'm pretty sure the first thing you do when setting up a black ops unit is rip the flags and tags off the uniforms. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's usually a good idea to use the uniforms of someone else's army to begin with.

...which suggests that these special forces who got killed weren't actually Nick's. I wonder who'd do something like that just to get Nick in trouble...


As for the issues with the Texas rebellion: I find it interesting that when I started shooting anyone who got too close to economically important facilities in China, nobody batted an eyelid, but now that Nick blows up an island or city or both to bring a bloody revolution to an end, everyone's shouting at him and jumping on the heroic speech bandwagon.

Yes, maybe it's a bit heavy handed, but it's a quick and efficient way to demoralize a determined enemy. Certainly no more immoral than firebombing civvies in a little city nobody remembers anymore called 'Dresden'.
Which is probably why Cliffe dislikes Nick so much; Cliffe holds grudges, it seems.

Psst, Evan: if Cliffe's trying to exterminate Nick because of the sins of his fathers, it's pretty safe to assume you're next!


----

I have a question here regarding rules: if someone's 'avatar', that is, the in game character who runs every aspect of their state with an iron fist, dies, does that mean the person's state becomes a NPC faction and they have to set up a new one?

So if, say, President Nick Shelton of the PCU gets smallpoxed by irate Texans, will he have to start a new faction?
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| September 16, 2010, 9:19 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
So, can someone explain to me why PCU special forces have tattoos and unit insignias?


Because I said so, and they got caught in the act. 'Nuff said. It was more realistic than saying that the operatives were captured and gave their nationality.
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| September 16, 2010, 9:31 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Because I said so, and they got caught in the act. 'Nuff said. It was more realistic than saying that the operatives were captured and gave their nationality.


Which is why when I use my special forces, I make it very clear they wear no identifying markers whatsoever, and the closest one can come to tracing them through their corpses is that they came from Mother Russia.

How did you determine their success or failure? It seems to me you might have made Nick fail becase of some form of malice possibly related to you not liking his recent actions very much.
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| September 16, 2010, 9:40 am
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Quoting Areetsa C

How did you determine their success or failure? It seems to me you might have made Nick fail becase of some form of malice possibly related to you not liking his recent actions very much.


His troops failed beacause a massive counterattack occurred during their operation.

While I dont like Nick's actions, I could have said that they missed or got shot down so it never happened. The Dallas raid got chewed up due to the large amounds of AA and Air Power in the area. If I felt that I was biased in this war, I would resign as a combat mod. Which is why my nation stance is neutrality. However, since YOU are not at war I can make threats against you, but I wont. Just dont piss me off more than you do already.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:23 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker

His troops failed beacause a massive counterattack occurred during their operation.

While I dont like Nick's actions, I could have said that they missed or got shot down so it never happened. The Dallas raid got chewed up due to the large amounds of AA and Air Power in the area. If I felt that I was biased in this war, I would resign as a combat mod. Which is why my nation stance is neutrality. However, since YOU are not at war I can make threats against you, but I wont. Just dont piss me off more than you do already.


Not his regular troops, there's nothing to nitpick about here. No, what I'm talking about is the special forces raid. Things like that don't fail because the regular army's off performing a blitzkreig.


As for threats: help yourself. I could use some battlefield salvage.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:31 am
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Quoting Areetsa C

Not his regular troops, there's nothing to nitpick about here. No, what I'm talking about is the special forces raid. Things like that don't fail because the regular army's off performing a blitzkreig.


As for threats: help yourself. I could use some battlefield salvage.


As for the special forces: their role was salvaging in the shipyards, which the SRGL recaputred in the midst of their operation.

As for a war. I will consider any military movement toward me a major threat, and I will not hesitate to fire preemptively. I do have a plea though. Lets wait until this current bout of war is over, as being a CM is time consuming. Also, while I hate you because all of your pointess threats against me for no reason other than making threats (since day 1), I am not willing to ruin my economy and my country for such a simple reason.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:39 am
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India has graduated its first class of students from its Pilot Academy. 200 IRA and 800 Indians are the composites of the graduating class. The IRA members will be flying themselves back today to Moscow in their very own F-1s; a good choice since they've done most of their combat maneuvers in them.

Search & rescue operations continue in Bombay. Repairs have begun on the dock works. India's resolve is stiffened every day by the tales of heroism and sacrifice by rescue workers struggling to save as many lives as possible in the first days of the war.

Islamabad's airport has been reopened after extensive repair operations and has been renamed "Bombay Memorial" in remembrance of the tragedies there.

Plans to purchase submarines to increase naval power have been met with several offers, India likes both examples and so will purchase a couple of each.

The campaign to push the SRGL from the Eastern Hemisphere continues with a vengeance, quite successfully after an operation of deception which placed last night's attack a couple days in the future. All of India is praying for their soldier's safety.
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| September 16, 2010, 12:00 pm
Now that Beaumont has been taken, more FTSA troops will be moved into Texas, another 200K, along with plenty more vehicles. Matt, I'll FM you my continued plans.
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| September 16, 2010, 4:26 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I was told the Horus was a heavy cruiser.

Nick wasted 30-something cruise missiles on a bloody destroyer...?

It looked bigger than it really was. >.>
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| September 16, 2010, 5:03 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I was told the Horus was a heavy cruiser.

Nick wasted 30-something cruise missiles on a bloody destroyer...?

Laser destroyer.
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| September 16, 2010, 5:03 pm
6 F2's have finished production, with the final 4 being completed tomarrow. Pilots will begin accelerated training programs in them, and we hope to have our first squadron combat ready soon. Due to many compatable systems and similar controls, veteran pilots of the F1 will be the first to use the F2, and we expect great success.
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| September 16, 2010, 5:40 pm
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Due to the already large numbers of plans (and each one is rather massive) I will not take any entries past 8:00 pm EST tonight.
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| September 16, 2010, 7:20 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Due to the already large numbers of plans (and each one is rather massive) I will not take any entries past 8:00 pm EST tonight.


Sorry, I was in the shower. It was literally two lines, what I sent, so hopefully it shouldn't be a problem.
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| September 16, 2010, 8:22 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Just got back from Church stuff, so I need to finish up HW, and then I'll get to the CR.

I just sent you a quick and simple FM, please don't leave it behind in your upcoming report! Please!
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| September 16, 2010, 9:16 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
6 F2's have finished production, with the final 4 being completed tomarrow. Pilots will begin accelerated training programs in them, and we hope to have our first squadron combat ready soon. Due to many compatable systems and similar controls, veteran pilots of the F1 will be the first to use the F2, and we expect great success.

I have transport in the area, your pilot can hitch a ride back to India, just let me know and wire the funds (or write a check, depending on your preferences).

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| September 16, 2010, 9:29 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Well, I wonder what Cliffe's doing.

Aww, man! That can't be good...
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| September 16, 2010, 9:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I have transport in the area, your pilot can hitch a ride back to India, just let me know and wire the funds (or write a check, depending on your preferences).

A check for 2,000,000 ASO is in the mail, and my pilot is on his way.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:08 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
A check for 2,000,000 ASO is in the mail, and my pilot is on his way.

And, that's how much in US$? For all I know, that $0.05... Though I doubt your inflation is that bad.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:12 pm
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For some reason the Combat Report isnt going through, so I am seeing if having Erik post it will yield any different results.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:16 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Well, I wonder what Cliffe's doing.

Africa stuff. Simply forgot to give orders for the day. Have been sort of busy-ish lately.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:20 pm
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Part 1/3

SRGL and Prusso-Egypt/PCU

Today the PCU doubled the bombardment of the SRGL lines, and 20K combat troops have made it to the border. The SRGL has reinforced its frontline troops today, and both sides seem to be preparing for something massive. However, a large raid of new Ho12bs showed up overhead courtesy of Kaiser Pharoh Cliffe. Two flights of 8 next-gen bombers arrived over the PCU staging area (unnoticed) and dropped a new generation of cluster munitions. Similar to the USAF's center fused weapon, these bombs sought after enemy vehicles and armor to devastating effect. Almost all heavy vehicles were destroyed at the cost of three lost bombers (the means of which they were shot down are unknown). These surviving bombers were escorted by Black Eagle II fighters. Unfortunately, these were noticed and were swarmed by PCU MAF-1s. Half of the escort was destroyed in the massive dogfight, and an even larger number of PCU fighters were lost in the frenzied battle. The 16 bombers requested, and were granted, permission to refuel and rearm (with less advanced munitions) in the SRGL. Planned raids to attack FSTA forces in Kentucky had to be aborted due to fuel restrictions.

Not content with immediately losing Newport News, the PCU has turned its fleeing fleet around back to Newport News. There, with more cohesive directions this time, the PCU fleet engaged the loitering Mackinacs and crushed them. This time, damage was more serious with several vessels being damaged, but not destroyed, in the process. Fearing the Virginia class threat, the PCU had submarines under the main force, and successfully located and destroyed 3 of the 6, while two PCU subs were lost. The fleet has once again resumed attacks on the shipyards.

Several SLBMs landed in Pearl Harbor today, damaging the PCU Pacific Fleet command. Fuel tanks and airfields were also targeted, destroying a large amount of Naval and Aviation fuel at aforementioned sites. The fires are reportedly still burning. While initially undetected by the PCU, their analysts predict that the raid was very small, probably no more than 2-3 subs.

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| September 16, 2010, 10:25 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
As for a war. I will consider any military movement toward me a major threat, and I will not hesitate to fire preemptively. I do have a plea though. Lets wait until this current bout of war is over, as being a CM is time consuming. Also, while I hate you because all of your pointess threats against me for no reason other than making threats (since day 1), I am not willing to ruin my economy and my country for such a simple reason.


I don't recall making any threats. Which would those ones you mention be?
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| September 16, 2010, 10:36 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

I don't recall making any threats. Which would those ones you mention be?

Stop. Annoying. Me. Threats from day one like crippling my economies by destroying/disabling my solar farms, that was a great way to get someone to be friendly with you, especially after the first post. If you really want to argue over this, FM me.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:39 pm
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YAY! Cliffe uses DOUBLE CROSS! IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!

Thanks for recreating Pearl Harbor for me, that allows me to kick uber butt.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:39 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
YAY! Cliffe uses DOUBLE CROSS! IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!

Thanks for recreating Pearl Harbor for me, that allows me to kick uber butt.

I didn't do that.

But OMG, I know exactly who did, and because of that it's HILARIOUSLY EPIC, and maybe the most fitting/ironic thing I have ever witnessed.

Pearl Harbor indeed, Nick, Pearl Harbor indeed. You have no clue what you've got coming for you now.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:43 pm
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Part 3/3 (Erik will be posting part 2 since I have had technical difficulties in posting this behemoth.

PCU/ Texas/ Prusso-Egypt
NOTE! I received so much info for this theater today that if I miss anything, notify me IMMEDIATELY after this is posted. I will make corrections; Also a request. In the future, please send me bullet points stating what actions will be taken; it is easier to assimilate it properly if it is easy to find.

Prusso-Egyptian support came a day late due to difficulties in maintaining hypersonic speeds (large fuel consumption, etc) but they have now arrived, and are making a difference already. Prusso-Egyptian Hyperhawks launched last night from their bases in Egypt and Austria, and supercruised across the Atlantic. Between Cuba and Florida, these fighters launched ultra-long range missiles (extremely expensive and rare, of course) at hypersonic speeds towards prime PCU targets such as tankers and AWACs. These missiles were already aimed onto targets (provided by the Texan PAVE PAWS system), and destroyed them to maximum effect. In this long journey, the pilots seemed to have used more fuel than expected, and requested and received permission to land in Texas airfields.

The PCU and FSTA made huge preparations today. PCU Wild Weasels targeted all identified AA while Fighter bombers targeted airfields (catching at least three Hyperhawks on the ground). They did not attack, as later in the day the AA was destroyed by AC130s with heavy fighter escort.

A massive PCU counterstrike on Gainesville including: 100 HAT-1s, covered by A10s and F35s. The Texans are not content to have any of it. Bobcat fighter/bomber drones have been harassing the vulnerable A10s all day, and most were successfully destroyed or driven off. However, the F35s destroyed many of the Texan aircraft in turn.

Small teams left PCU held Galveston and laser designated Texan tanks. FTSA helis and fighters launched laser-guided missiles at the target and destroyed at least 30 vehicles. The PCU teams got away clean.

Of course FTSA is not being confined to the border. 100,000 new troops arrived today even more air support today. These troops and forces moved to Beaumont to meet with the other 150,000 already there. 5,000 troops stayed in Beaumont to set up air strips. The 245,000 troops split into two even strike forces, heading to Dallas and Houston.

Two nasty forces conspired against FTSA's forces. Texan M-35 H-MAACs and rocket launchers fired their entire ordinance at the strike force heading for Dallas, while destroying bridges and pontoon bridges leading into Louisiana. The casualties among infantry and light vehicles were high. Roughly 1000 men were killed in this ferocious barrage.

All Texan F-22s and F-16s were sent to attack the group attacking Houston, erupting the largest air battle of the war (when combined with Cliffe;s Hyperhawk raids). Losses were tremendous for both sides.

Fanatical resistance by Texan defenders (some with the M-34 Sam Houston NWRHT) ground the attack to Dallas to a halt, but at a terrible price. KIA is in the thousands.

The FTSA launched a large bombing campaign tonight, spearheaded by 4 B2 bombers each heading to Dallas and Houston. These bombers were escorted by F-37s. The B2s carried a maximum load and bombed strategic (not indiscriminate) targets in each city. A single B1B also few with them, and dropped cluster bombs at all tanks it saw. However, super heavy enemy AA destroyed this aircraft after being detected by PAVE PAWS. The F-37s in escort tipped off a bomber raid, and the Mockingbird fighters engaged this force, but failed to note the B2s under the cover of darkness, but after the bombing of Houston started, they detected the blurry infrared signature of one and launched heat seeking missiles at it. It was destroyed.

One last Egyptian surprise was to be held today. The force attacking Houston, left mostly undamaged, came under a similarly massive Ho-12b raid. The losses were extreme, and when Texan artillery got into the fray two divisions lay crippled or highly depleted (loss estimates vary between the intelligence agencies). It has been forced to halt near the town of Hardin, Texas. The Defenders in Houston are ready to fight for their homes to the death when the time comes. The Egyptian Aircraft received Texan In Flight refueling, and turned home towards Austria and Egypt.

FTSA ships harbored in Galveston moved through Galveston Bay and began bombardment of Houston.

The Texans had one last surprise themselves. In Abilene, 10 C-130s and 1 AC-130 dropped forces into the gap where Texans and PCU are still fighting at near Oklahoma, and were escorted by Mockingbirds. PCU air power was left uncoordinated due to the loss of the AWACs earlier, and could not muster enough forces to counter in time. These fresh reinforcements should keep things from getting out of hand in the North.

The Texans at San Angelo were surprised when the enemy never reached them. The forces here have begun their long and perilous journey east to counter the massive FTSA attack.


Again, if I missed anything PLEASE TELL ME! It was quite difficult to juggle between 5 FMs, and some might have gotten lost in translation, so to speak.

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| September 16, 2010, 10:47 pm
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I'n surprised the old dinosaurs that are the Los Angeles class did anything.

Nick, bring it on.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:56 pm
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MP doesn't like Pt.2, y'all. You'll probably have to wait until all the sent comments spam the ICF.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
MP doesn't like Pt.2, y'all. You'll probably have to wait until all the sent comments spam the ICF.


Screenshot it, upload it to flickr and then provide the link. Should do the trick.
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| September 16, 2010, 10:59 pm
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No AWACs have been deployed as of yet. So >.>

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| September 16, 2010, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
No AWACs have been deployed as of yet. So >.>

Honestly, if you had no AWACS up, you would have been butchered in the air. And since its a given in modern warfare to have AWACS, and you never told me otherwise, I followed Cliffe's plan to the letter.
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| September 16, 2010, 11:07 pm
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_spontaneous/4997775822/

Will be deleted in roughly 12 hours.
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| September 16, 2010, 11:08 pm
Great CM Matt, that one kept me pretty riveted. I'm going to send you another fm with plans for tomorrow.
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| September 16, 2010, 11:39 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick


You probably already know this, but from what I've seen in the Statistics thread, the African states are very lightly armed. A few handfuls of tanks, no mentioned AA or SAM units, and apparently deficient airforces.

So, if Cliffe decides to shove back, they'll definitely lose.



In fact, speaking of the statistics thread, methinks people should start making lists of their equipment and sticking to them. I don't mean posting half-finished army lists in the thread, but at least not just saying "I've got X number of heavy tanks" whenever you feel you need them.
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| September 17, 2010, 12:20 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

So, you're giving up in Africa? 'Cause you could just surrender now and make my life a lot easier.
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| September 17, 2010, 12:51 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

So, you're giving up in Africa? 'Cause you could just surrender now and make my life a lot easier.


There's a difference between giving up and letting you win.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:05 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Evan Melick


You probably already know this, but from what I've seen in the Statistics thread, the African states are very lightly armed. A few handfuls of tanks, no mentioned AA or SAM units, and apparently deficient airforces.

So, if Cliffe decides to shove back, they'll definitely lose.




By AA, we mean generally anything that can be aimed upwards. SAMs, RPGs, Machine Guns with tripods. All African Alliance nations are under a coalition being led by myself, so my movements may contain troops and equipment from all sides of africa. While our aircraft don't seem to be very high qaulity, with the tactics were using we have downed more of Cliffe's planes then he downed ours. Also, our tacticle EMP was purchases from an outside source.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:05 am
More troops are being moved into my section of China. Defense systems are being build along the coast.
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| September 17, 2010, 8:09 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Evan Melick


You probably already know this, but from what I've seen in the Statistics thread, the African states are very lightly armed. A few handfuls of tanks, no mentioned AA or SAM units, and apparently deficient airforces.


That's actually not true, I have 175 unmanned AA tanks.
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| September 17, 2010, 8:43 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

There's a difference between giving up and letting you win.

Really? Huh. You've made a lot of strategic investments in Africa that you are about to loose. A good deal of planes and good men are out there dying for your cause.

I wonder if throw-the-floor moral can be factored into the Sim.
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| September 17, 2010, 11:08 am
Quoting -> avalella
While our aircraft don't seem to be very high qaulity, with the tactics were using we have downed more of Cliffe's planes then he downed ours.

Absolute total BULL. I have seen nowhere in any of the combat reports that Hyperfalcons have been shot down by enemy aircraft, plus the fact that YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. At all. Unless you bought a few foreign ones or you have a few leftover MiG 21s or something.

And my pilots are some of the best trained in the world. They have seen combat in so many different conflicts in so many different places over the last two years, and have even trained with other nations in a large training event held by US.

In fact, I've almost totally pulled out of your airspace because we've pretty much cleared it completely. Now that we're going to invade you from the ground with Hyper War Chariots, you're done for, because you have little that poses a threat to a hyper-fast, small, yet powerful vehicle such as the Hyper War Chariot. You can't hit it because of its speed, it doesn't crash into anything because the pilots are trained how to drive at 200mph through ANY type of environment, including jungles (and that's not the worst- the most elite chariot divisions, two of which are heading for you, have driven at at least 80mph through a PINE FOREST), and even if it does take a lot of bumps in the path or hits something, it'll just keep on going because of its titanium plating and hypershock suspension.

And there will be thousands of them.

Swarming over the border.

Unless you just give up now and agree to stop attacking African colonies. It's that easy.
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| September 17, 2010, 4:09 pm
Well, it turns out I have to go on a Boy Scout campout at just the wrong time.

So I'll be sending a few words to the combat moderators and hope everything goes as planned- I am fairly eased by the Japanese invasion, however I will still request that everyone please give this their mind.

And no one is off the hook. Especially not Avavella and Nick. I'll be back Sunday morning, maybe even Saturday night.
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| September 17, 2010, 4:16 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
:O

Aw snap!

Do you really want to hurt me, do you really want to make me cry.
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| September 17, 2010, 5:05 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Now that we're going to invade you from the ground with Hyper War Chariots, you're done for, because you have little that poses a threat to a hyper-fast, small, yet powerful vehicle such as the Hyper War Chariot. You can't hit it because of its speed, it doesn't crash into anything because the pilots are trained how to drive at 200mph through ANY type of environment, including jungles (and that's not the worst- the most elite chariot divisions, two of which are heading for you, have driven at at least 80mph through a PINE FOREST), and even if it does take a lot of bumps in the path or hits something, it'll just keep on going because of its titanium plating and hypershock suspension.

And there will be thousands of them.

Swarming over the border.



Ahem. Evans rant is relevant here. I think that while downing a plane like that is bull, your War Chariot series is just as much full of bull due to issues from everything from speed, armor, and even armament. That speed is not possible in a vehicle that has any kind of armor, so if you keep the speed the same they must have no armor. And the recoiless rifle on the Hpyer War Chariot is frankly a poor choice, given that after every three shots Recoiless Rifles need a good cleaining.

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| September 17, 2010, 5:07 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
No, no, no. I don't think something should go 200mph and still have a cr@pload of armor. And as you said, they crash and get killed a lot.

Also, what happened to only defending Osea?

no, he said they don't crash because they're trained not to.

And I guess he changed his mind about not invading Africa. I have two beliefs on this point, 1: the African nations aren't powerful enough to face Cliffe and win in large, open confrontations, and 2: modern military won't survive the Congo.
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| September 17, 2010, 5:10 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
no, he said they don't crash because they're trained not to.

Airliner Pilots and Helicopter Pilots and Fighter/Bomber Pilots are also trained not to crash, but they still crash. A soldier is trained not to get shot, but they still get shot. Just because you train something not to do something doesn't mean it won't happen.
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| September 17, 2010, 5:14 pm
/has urge to invade Japan
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| September 17, 2010, 5:15 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
So, can someone explain to me why PCU special forces have tattoos and unit insignias? Because I'm pretty sure the first thing you do when setting up a black ops unit is rip the flags and tags off the uniforms. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's usually a good idea to use the uniforms of someone else's army to begin with.

...which suggests that these special forces who got killed weren't actually Nick's. I wonder who'd do something like that just to get Nick in trouble...


As for the issues with the Texas rebellion: I find it interesting that when I started shooting anyone who got too close to economically important facilities in China, nobody batted an eyelid, but now that Nick blows up an island or city or both to bring a bloody revolution to an end, everyone's shouting at him and jumping on the heroic speech bandwagon.

Yes, maybe it's a bit heavy handed, but it's a quick and efficient way to demoralize a determined enemy. Certainly no more immoral than firebombing civvies in a little city nobody remembers anymore called 'Dresden'.
Which is probably why Cliffe dislikes Nick so much; Cliffe holds grudges, it seems.

Psst, Evan: if Cliffe's trying to exterminate Nick because of the sins of his fathers, it's pretty safe to assume you're next!


----

I have a question here regarding rules: if someone's 'avatar', that is, the in game character who runs every aspect of their state with an iron fist, dies, does that mean the person's state becomes a NPC faction and they have to set up a new one?

So if, say, President Nick Shelton of the PCU gets smallpoxed by irate Texans, will he have to start a new faction?


Not everyone is a twisted disgusting fr3ak like you Areetsa. Not everybody wants the genocide of gays and people that don't agree with them.
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| September 17, 2010, 5:30 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
This is all I have to say to Nick: Alea iacta est.

It has?
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| September 17, 2010, 5:40 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
This is all I have to say to Nick: Alea iacta est.

Indeed, the die has been cast.
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| September 17, 2010, 5:43 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Not even close. It means "The die is cast." Caesar said it somewhere while conquering something.

Duh, I was responding to it....

Jeez, you make me fell bad...

>.>
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| September 17, 2010, 5:45 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Not even close. It means "The die is cast." Caesar said it somewhere while conquering something.

He said it crossing the Rubicon.
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| September 17, 2010, 5:53 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Airliner Pilots and Helicopter Pilots and Fighter/Bomber Pilots are also trained not to crash, but they still crash. A soldier is trained not to get shot, but they still get shot. Just because you train something not to do something doesn't mean it won't happen.

I'm not going to argue that they won't crash, especially going 200 through a jungle, that is kinda ridiculous. I'm saying Cliffe never said they would crash, as you seem to have thought in your previous comment.
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| September 17, 2010, 5:57 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
By AA, we mean generally anything that can be aimed upwards. SAMs, RPGs, Machine Guns with tripods.


That might down helicopter gunships, but there's no way it'd work on fast jets.

Quoting -> avalella
Also, our tacticle EMP was purchases from an outside source.


That'd be the IRA.

Quoting Jake H.
That's actually not true, I have 175 unmanned AA tanks.


You wouldn't know it, looking at your statistics list.

Quoting Thomas N
2: modern military won't survive the Congo.


Two words: fire bombing.

Quoting Will G.
Not everyone is a twisted disgusting fr3ak like you Areetsa. Not everybody wants the genocide of gays and people that don't agree with them.


At least I don't pretend to be something I'm not. And a note? A campaign of terror is hardly genocide, no matter how much people like you might make them sound the same.

I don't really care about people who disagree with me, past a certain point. I find it's not worth the effort to argue on the internet for any reason other than fun.

Quoting Thomas N
I'm not going to argue that they won't crash, especially going 200 through a jungle, that is kinda ridiculous. I'm saying Cliffe never said they would crash, as you seem to have thought in your previous comment.


He should have rocket powered hover tanks. They'd go right through the trees.
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| September 17, 2010, 6:05 pm
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The Melanesian campaign goes well.

Vanuatu, being the smallest and lesser of the island chains, has surrendered already as paratroopers seized the capital. All that remains there is to establish some presence on all the islands.

In the Solomons, paratroopers are likewise being delivered to all of the islands, and surrender at the capital is expected any day now.

Fiji may be the more difficult one of the bunch. Being both the largest and furthest away, it will take longer to secure the area. We are currently involved in a larger operation to secure the larger main island, as that is where resistance invariably pops up.
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| September 17, 2010, 6:06 pm
Pretend to be something I'm not?
Is it just me, or is everyone here something they're not? I mean, I'm not a world leader or anything.

I'm not talking about this game either, you're an insane New Zealander that wants to kill all gays and shoot people that he disagrees with.
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| September 17, 2010, 6:10 pm
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Quoting Will G.
I'm not talking about this game either, you're an insane New Zealander that wants to kill all gays and shoot people that he disagrees with.


Areetsa is one of those people who shouldn't be in power- but wants to be any way. Like an un-subtle Hitler without killing the Jews part.

Anyways, the Roman Empire is watching this madness unfold.

@Evan: The "Flying Wing" fighters the Africans have are actually these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/4841715618/

Not quite a flying wing, but I don't blame them, the design did change a few times.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:07 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore

Let's talk about something else.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:13 pm
I see you didn't get that. Awesome, did you get it?
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| September 17, 2010, 7:16 pm
Quoting Jake H.
That's actually not true, I have 175 unmanned AA tanks.

Quoting Aretsa C.
You wouldn't know it, looking at your statistics list.


SML=AA tank
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| September 17, 2010, 7:22 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
I see you didn't get that. Awesome, did you get it?


Bro, I just got home from school. I'm still trying to switch from academic to creative mindset.

In short, no, I didn't get it. If you're referring to actually receiving something, I haven't gotten it either.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:28 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Bro, I just got home from school. I'm still trying to switch from academic to creative mindset.

In short, no, I didn't get it. If you're referring to actually receiving something, I haven't gotten it either.

Of all people I thought you would have understood a Civ4 reference
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| September 17, 2010, 7:30 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Of all people I thought you would have understood a Civ4 reference


I haven't played Civ IV in a week.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:33 pm
And I haven't in over a month. I'll expand upon it in a while, I need Ian
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| September 17, 2010, 7:35 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
because you have little that poses a threat to a hyper-fast, small, yet powerful vehicle such as the Hyper War Chariot. You can't hit it because of its speed, it doesn't crash into anything because the pilots are trained how to drive at 200mph through ANY type of environment, including jungles (and that's not the worst- the most elite chariot divisions, two of which are heading for you, have driven at at least 80mph through a PINE FOREST), and even if it does take a lot of bumps in the path or hits something, it'll just keep on going because of its titanium plating and hypershock suspension.

And there will be thousands of them.

Swarming over the border.

Unless you just give up now and agree to stop attacking African colonies. It's that easy.

That sounds incredibly unrealistic, just listen to yourself.
You have thousands of TITANIUM plated 200mph vehicles.
You are fighting a multi-front war.
Your population is HAPPY.
And to top it off you have a massive starship.
There's no way your economy Isn't completely and utterly ruined.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:35 pm
Algeria is sending the USCA 50 howitzers, and 30 mortars. We are also preparing a shipment of are soon to be released 'infantry toys'.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:38 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
That sounds incredibly unrealistic, just listen to yourself.
You have thousands of TITANIUM plated 200mph vehicles.
You are fighting a multi-front war.
Your population is HAPPY.
And to top it off you have a massive starship.
There's no way your economy Isn't completely ans utterly ruined.


Not by Civ terms- Cliffe is running Police State, State Property, Nationhood, and maybe even Theocracy. That's the combination for large-scale war that works best.

As for the titanium-plated race cars with guns, I don't see it happening. There's a reason why armored vehicles don't often have full windshields.

Quoting John Moffatt
And I haven't in over a month. I'll expand upon it in a while, I need Ian


OH! I just got it! How could I be so ignorant?
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| September 17, 2010, 7:41 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Not by Civ terms- Cliffe is running Police State, State Property, Nationhood, and maybe even Theocracy. That's the combination for large-scale war that works best.

As for the titanium-plated race cars with guns, I don't see it happening. There's a reason why armored vehicles don't often have full windshields.


If this was total war, he'd have rebels running around everywhere. and riots happening in a good deal of his provinces. He'd also be bankrupt.
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| September 17, 2010, 7:54 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
If this was total war, he'd have rebels running around everywhere. and riots happening in a good deal of his provinces. He'd also be bankrupt.


He's Cliffe. He managed to purge Islam from Egypt, Sudan, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and Kuwait. Or at least, make a much more liberal form of it.

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| September 17, 2010, 7:55 pm
Firstly I apologize for being inactive lately.

Now to business: Great Colombia has begun experimenting with UAV technology *coughtablescraps* to serve in reconissance roles, and plans for increasing the navy and airforce have been held off for quite some time.

Socially the country is pretty stable, ocuppied Venezuela has (thankfully) not had the aggresive reactions we expected, though ocasional riots do occur.
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| September 17, 2010, 8:02 pm
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I am really busy tonight and will NOT be able to make my Combat Report. I will count tomorrow as today, so all sides have an extra day to send in the plans.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
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| September 17, 2010, 8:14 pm
Brendan, your head would look good on the end of a pole.
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| September 17, 2010, 8:17 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Brendan, your head would look good on the end of a pole.


(WAR)

/Brendan Dore(Furious)
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| September 17, 2010, 8:19 pm
Brendan, your head would look good on the end of a pole!

/War music
[WAR]
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| September 17, 2010, 8:22 pm
The test firing of the coil guns shall proceed as planned. I've done my math correctly and I can give you a link to the simulator I used if you care that much. anyway, in 243 seconds the first round should land on Sapporo, Japan, with an additional 14 coming after that.
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| September 17, 2010, 8:26 pm
While this is all happening you may play this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K7acCMAUSI
Then think of your doomed country.
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| September 17, 2010, 8:42 pm
The Monjgolian forces are to be divided into two sections. 30% of ready troops and armor are to be sent to the Koreas to establish a foothold there, whilst the troops that were returning from Alaska will land along with Siberian forces in Japan. I too, will have more specific details given to Awesome
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| September 17, 2010, 8:42 pm
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Does anyone besides me having objections to me being combat mod?
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| September 17, 2010, 8:51 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Does anyone besides me having objections to me being combat mod?

No, I already wrote that carp out once
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| September 17, 2010, 8:58 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Being in the Pacific, Japan is under Matt's umbrella, but idk if he might be overwhelmed, so a third mod might be needed.

Also, if anyone attempts to send any type of armored force against hardened troops in the Congo Jungle, it's going to be a bloobath. Just saying that now for the kicks.


Maybe Erik then. Last time I modded, my decisions were... contested at best.

Not to mention, I know next to nothing on modern military terminology and technology, making me a less than prime candidate for this kind of stuff.

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| September 17, 2010, 9:26 pm
Quoting Ian Macdonald
Brendan, your head would look good on the end of a pole!

/War music
[WAR]

Yus, CIV IV!

I may follow your lead, but who to FM?

Maybe war, undecided but more likely
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| September 17, 2010, 9:27 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Maybe Erik then. Last time I modded, my decisions were... contested at best.

Not to mention, I know next to nothing on modern military terminology and technology, making me a less than prime candidate for this kind of stuff.

FM me [or Jake] if you have questions or doubts. You shall learn the ways of modern military.
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| September 17, 2010, 9:33 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
FM me [or Jake] if you have questions or doubts. You shall learn the ways of modern military.


Very well. Anyways, combat report coming when Gus and I stop playing our Civ game.
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| September 17, 2010, 9:50 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Very well. Anyways, combat report coming when Gus and I stop playing our Civ game.

Get my FM?
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| September 17, 2010, 9:57 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Finn C-Q
Get my FM?


Yup.
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| September 17, 2010, 10:00 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Read the wiki article on the First Persian Gulf War. Thee you go for modern armored and combined arms warfare in a pure form.


/Luigi voice

Alright, alright...
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| September 17, 2010, 10:03 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yup.

So...
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| September 17, 2010, 10:03 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

/Luigi voice

Alright, alright...


"Spaghetti!"

"Only after you scrub all the floors in Hyrule!"
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| September 17, 2010, 10:10 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

1. 200 mph is pretty much hazardous to one's health, one slip-up could cause instant death. Unless your men are wearing body suits so big they can hardly move.
2. Plus, it is insanely hard to obtain stable speeds of 100+ on anything rougher than a racing circuit.
3. Even if for some unimaginable reason, missile locks fail, carpet bombing would remain highly effective as well as artillery fire. And you really don't need radar to use bullets...
4. So everyone else's veteran pilots are chopped liver? Your planes may be good, but they aren't the only ones "In the whole world" with those specs. Unless with your space destroyer you managed to circumvent relativity and come up with light speed drive for your planes, which would relegate them to sci-fi.

Anyway, if you react like Ham, this will probably get me surprise attacked. Otherwise, you might learn something...
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| September 17, 2010, 11:38 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
4. So everyone else's veteran pilots are chopped liver? Your planes may be good, but they aren't the only ones "In the whole world" with those specs. Unless with your space destroyer you managed to circumvent relativity and come up with light speed drive for your planes, which would relegate them to sci-fi.

Well, look at it this way. Against Africa, Cliffe has the advantage in planes, airmen, and everything else. Unless someone else actually actively fights for them, the only thing Africa will have going for it is rebel warfare in the jungles.
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| September 17, 2010, 11:55 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Many things are taken into account when CM'ing. The assumed morale level due to the way the war is turning, how imaginative the strategics used, quality of the MOC's, etc.

Hence my over-attention to detail when planning and your subsequent hair-pulling when reading them, correct?
Quoting Evan Melick
So, you can't just throw pieces together, and write a story saying it's the best piece of military hardware on the planet.

Wouldn't happen in a million years.
Quoting Evan Melick
Anyway, yeah morale is important. Bit of a rant there. :3

That's why his are dying faster with fewer of mine, right?

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| September 17, 2010, 11:57 pm
Quoting Will G.
Hey genius, you don't give out your plans now, because that never happened.
You have to send them to the conflict moderator first. Now Brendan knows what will happen.


Hey Genius. We planned this invasion for a long time, and people could see what was coming if they just put 2 and 2 together. We SENT plans to a combat mod. It did happen, it is happening, and if you have something to say about it, you can join the guy who's fleet happens to be on the other side of the world's largest ocean. You loose, you get nothing, Good Day Sir!
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| September 18, 2010, 12:09 am
Quoting John Moffatt
Hey Genius. We planned this invasion for a long time, and people could see what was coming if they just put 2 and 2 together. We SENT plans to a combat mod. It did happen, it is happening, and if you have something to say about it, you can join the guy who's fleet happens to be on the other side of the world's largest ocean. You loose, you get nothing, Good Day Sir!

I'm just saying, I wouldn't give out my plans.
Nobody listens to me though, I'm just the guy with almost three years experience that predicted this.
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| September 18, 2010, 12:13 am
Quoting John Moffatt
Hey Genius. We planned this invasion for a long time, and people could see what was coming if they just put 2 and 2 together. We SENT plans to a combat mod. It did happen, it is happening, and if you have something to say about it, you can join the guy who's fleet happens to be on the other side of the world's largest ocean. You loose, you get nothing, Good Day Sir!

Precicley. I mean If there is an invasion flottila off your coast does it really matter if they yell and tell you they're shelling.

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| September 18, 2010, 12:17 am
I don't know if anyone else had to read this book in 9th grade, but this reminds me of Ender's Game. A book about a boy that was pretty much trained from age six to be the commander of a space fleet, they held war games etc.

It really turned most of the kids into brutal monsters...
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| September 18, 2010, 12:17 am
 Group moderator 
The airborne operation over the capital of Kishinev has successfully completed its mission and secured the city. With the majority of the Moldovan military having surrendered or been destroyed, Bohemian forces can now begin the set up of Bohemian infastructure within Moldova and conduct security operations. Coalition forces from the allied UFE nations have begun their withdraw with the end of the combat mission. Bohemia greatly thanks France and Finland for the assistance of these troops.

The rights of production for the three of Bohemia's new military vehicles will be provided to France and the Commonwealth. Bohemia has also begun the manufacturing of F-35s with the production rights being recieved from the Commonwealth, but the suspension of producing further aircraft may occur until Finland's F-35P project has come to a completion.

While late in its comment, Bohemia would like to share its high distain of the PCU's current actions against the civilians of Texas and the disgraceful bombing of Mackinac Island. Genocidal acts do not sit well with us.

On a side note, how happy do you think the people of the PCU would be with the mass killing of fellow Americans? Sure the Texans rebelled, but they rebelled against a tyrant leader, which realistically, more states would have done so as well. Being that Texas was once part of the same country as its fellow states not long ago, citizens and military personnel alike are going to have friends and relatives on both sides of things. People will have also moved from Texas to the PCU, in which a sense of regionalism still exists in them. You do realize that the majority of adults would be the children of this generation and of our parents' generation, and with the mojority of American's views on war right now, there's no way this action would go without some sort of repercussion within the PCU. Have you all not seen how mad many Americans get when they see that civilians have been killed accidently by U.S. action in Iraq and Afghanistan? Just imagine that times about 1 million.

/endrant.
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| September 18, 2010, 12:18 am
Quoting Will G.
I don't know if anyone else had to read this book in 9th grade, but this reminds me of Ender's Game. A book about a boy that was pretty much trained from age six to be the commander of a space fleet, they held war games etc.

It really turned most of the kids into brutal monsters...

Oh, I remember that book. Think it was grade 7 we read it
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| September 18, 2010, 12:19 am
Quoting Will G.
I don't know if anyone else had to read this book in 9th grade, but this reminds me of Ender's Game. A book about a boy that was pretty much trained from age six to be the commander of a space fleet, they held war games etc.

It really turned most of the kids into brutal monsters...

If you're saying these kind of games train people to kill, than idk if I'll be on your doorstep tommorrow.
>.>

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| September 18, 2010, 12:19 am
Quoting John Moffatt
Oh, I remember that book. Think it was grade 7 we read it

It was possibly one of the dumbest I've ever read, I'm not much of a reader though, I quit in fifth grade after magic and heroes ceased to amuse me.
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| September 18, 2010, 12:21 am
Quoting Ian Macdonald
If you're saying these kind of games train people to kill, than idk if I'll be on your doorstep tommorrow.
>.>

I'll cover you from the air.
<.<
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| September 18, 2010, 12:21 am
Quoting Will G.
It was possibly one of the dumbest I've ever read, I'm not much of a reader though, I quit in fifth grade after magic and heroes ceased to amuse me.

English class really takes the fun out of reading dont it?
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| September 18, 2010, 12:21 am
Quoting Shk Ad Aw
The airborne operation over the capital of Kishinev has successfully completed its mission and secured the city. With the majority of the Moldovan military having surrendered or been destroyed, Bohemian forces can now begin the set up of Bohemian infastructure within Moldova and conduct security operations. Coalition forces from the allied UFE nations have begun their withdraw with the end of the combat mission. Bohemia greatly thanks France and Finland for the assistance of these troops.

The rights of production for the three of Bohemia's new military vehicles will be provided to France and the Commonwealth. Bohemia has also begun the manufacturing of F-35s with the production rights being recieved from the Commonwealth, but the suspension of producing further aircraft may occur until Finland's F-35P project has come to a completion.

Hey bro, there's a war in my country, and the PCU obliterated 200,000 people and bombed Mackinac island while you were gone.

Also Africa is ripping at the seems, nothing new there though...
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| September 18, 2010, 12:22 am
Quoting John Moffatt
I'll cover you from the air.
<.<

Too bad my house has been asplodeded by Nick..
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| September 18, 2010, 12:23 am
That IS a shame... Unfortunately Blanik L23 gliders are rather unarmed
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| September 18, 2010, 12:24 am
It's unfortunate that we can't get along the game, your ringleader Areetsa and I have some of the same conservative values...













































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| September 18, 2010, 12:26 am
 Group moderator 
So what happened to Africa's CM tonight?
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| September 18, 2010, 12:54 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Will G.
It's unfortunate that we can't get along the game, your ringleader Areetsa and I have some of the same conservative values...



What's with the huge space?
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| September 18, 2010, 1:01 am
 Group admin 
Quoting John Moffatt
the guy who's fleet happens to be on the other side of the world's largest ocean.

I'm going to just say that because he has a fleet off California, doesn't mean the bulk of his navy isn't still at Japan ready to defend against an invasion. Nobody sends entire navies away leaving home unguarded, don't think you're getting control of the seas around Brendonia.
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| September 18, 2010, 1:02 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Will G.
I don't know if anyone else had to read this book in 9th grade, but this reminds me of Ender's Game. A book about a boy that was pretty much trained from age six to be the commander of a space fleet, they held war games etc.

It really turned most of the kids into brutal monsters...

Yeap, read that for summer required reading between 8th and 9th grade. Hated it.

One thing I read for part of the same summer reading assignment was one of the best books I've ever read though, any of you guys read Watership Down?
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| September 18, 2010, 1:10 am
Quoting Will G.

Would you be so kind as to delete the comment in which you quoted the invasion info. It's still happening like that. But It would be silly of me to post that then send a different one to the CM.
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| September 18, 2010, 1:31 am
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Quoting Ian Macdonald
Would you be so kind as to delete the comment in which you quoted the invasion info. It's still happening like that. But It would be silly of me to post that then send a different one to the CM.


Did it. Because I'm evil.
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| September 18, 2010, 1:54 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Did it. Because I'm evil.

^-^
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| September 18, 2010, 1:59 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Areetsa is one of those people who shouldn't be in power- but wants to be any way. Like an un-subtle Hitler without killing the Jews part.

Actually, I don't want anything to do with political power. I don't do micromanaging well, and I'd probably end up touching off the Third World War by seeing someone's attempt at subtlety as a declaration of war.

I don't think I'd have the patience for all the paperwork and the media attention.

Quoting Jake H.
SML=AA tank

So 175 AA tanks can defend an entire nation from air attack?

Seems a little unrealistic. Or is this one of those Maskirovka things where you say you've got eighty tanks and two hundred and fifty Large Construction Tractors where the LCTs turn out to be superheavy tanks?

Quoting Evan Melick
Also, if anyone attempts to send any type of armored force against hardened troops in the Congo Jungle, it's going to be a bloobath. Just saying that now for the kicks.

Verily, I say again: firebombs.

Quoting Finn C-Q
Yus, CIV IV!

I may follow your lead, but who to FM?

Maybe war, undecided but more likely

Weren't you already involved in North America?

Quoting Ultramarine .
4. So everyone else's veteran pilots are chopped liver? Your planes may be good, but they aren't the only ones "In the whole world" with those specs. Unless with your space destroyer you managed to circumvent relativity and come up with light speed drive for your planes, which would relegate them to sci-fi.

He'd need some pretty good heat shields. I hear mass and size do interesting things at relativistic speeds, as well...

Quoting Ultramarine .
Anyway, if you react like Ham, this will probably get me surprise attacked. Otherwise, you might learn something...

Oh, that wouldn't necessarily be such a bad thing. It'd likely turn out to be the straw that broke the camel's back. In the sense of economy. You know, fighting a war with a guy on the other side of Europe.

Quoting John Moffatt
...We SENT plans to a combat mod. It did happen, it is happening...

And those plans you posted could easily be decoys, or interpreted for the public. No reason to tell the whole truth to the news media right away, after all.

Quoting Will G.
It's unfortunate that we can't get along the game, your ringleader Areetsa and I have some of the same conservative values...

Actually, in practice John and Ian do whatever the frak they want and everyone else goes along for the ride. China? Their idea. Japan? Their idea. Atlantis? I really wouldn't be surprised if that's their next target.


Show of hands: who'd start complaining if someone declared an invasion of Atlantis or Valhalla?
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| September 18, 2010, 6:33 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Show of hands: who'd start complaining if someone declared an invasion of Atlantis or Valhalla?

me.
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| September 18, 2010, 9:36 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
Alright, I don't even know what the heck is happening now. What if I call off the invasion of the PCU? Would that make people happy? Also, I'll be gone for the day; I'm going to West Point for a football game.

Dang your lucky. I was about to go to that game myself. GO ARMY, BEAT NORTH TEXAS! Anyway, anyone know where to CR is?
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| September 18, 2010, 9:51 am
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