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International Conversation Forum XXIV
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I was tired of scrolling down incessantly.

Highlights
-PCU/FTSA fighting Texas and Prusso Egypt in Texas
-PCU fighting SRGL
-Brendonia Fighting PCU
-Mongolia and other Asian powers on brink of war with Brendonia
-War in Africa continues
-Everyone forgot about Alaska
-Relationships between members are breaking down.

Wow, what a bleak outlook!
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| September 18, 2010, 9:41 am
Algeria has stepped up production on pretty much everything military.
We hope to produce 125 SMLs within a one to two week, and have two GTHs completed within the week.
Supplies are being sent to Avella, with a another shipment of mortars and howitzers (50 mortars 20 howitzers) on the way. We will also air lift five of our mini-subs into Chad.
Recruiting has started in Mali, as we believe that area to be stable. We have also enacted a militia program, and crash courses in weapons training begin tomorrow.
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| September 18, 2010, 10:40 am
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The ALDS trials were concluded last night at roughly 2300 hours. Aside from the hairline cracks and worries of fuel consumption, the program has passed the bill. With that said, an expeditionary flight will be commissioned to get an accurate gauge on the range. The flight will launch from France and end in S. Africa with as few stops in between; of course a tanker and fighter pair will accompany the plane for purposes of security.

Anyhow, ammunition production has been raised for these next two weeks as to replace that lost during past conflicts. Plus, the 6.8mm rounds aren't exactly in high supply seeing as though the conversion has been limited in time.

Also, two brigades are being pumped into southern Spain and northern Morocco as to relieve some of the security anxieties around Gibraltar. Of course the previous measures are still enact during this time, but you never know what may happen nowadays.

The upgraded defense/warning devices around the ADCC are still progressing with haste. The installed units (some 18% of the final number) are undergoing their test phases to make sure they work, etc. Mobile SAMs are also undergoing exercise at this time to check the "networked" capability; meaning the AOC cares to make sure all intel is compatible with all other units.
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| September 18, 2010, 10:48 am
Would someone care to tell me WHY we haven't officially attacked Japan?
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| September 18, 2010, 11:54 am
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Quoting John Moffatt
Would someone care to tell me WHY we haven't officially attacked Japan?


I dunnno, ask the Combat Mod for the Japanese theater. I THINK that would be Awe.
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| September 18, 2010, 12:10 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Would someone care to tell me WHY we haven't officially attacked Japan?


Because I stayed up for a few hours talking to Ian about MS paint stuff and talking to someone older than me about what to expect in senior year of High School.

I'll get it done by today, on my honor.
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| September 18, 2010, 12:28 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Because I stayed up for a few hours talking to Ian about MS paint stuff and talking to someone older than me about what to expect in senior year of High School.

I'll get it done by today, on my honor.

Talking to Morgan I see?
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| September 18, 2010, 12:34 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Talking to Morgan I see?


Yea. Wasn't my fault Rocky told me to join the chat, and then everyone left. Impostor or not, this person knew their stuff.
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| September 18, 2010, 12:46 pm
No Areetsa, that would be John involved in the Americas war, cause Nick said I couldn't help
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| September 18, 2010, 1:54 pm
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India would like to approach Oceania with proposals for a joint-venture project to develop and produce an air-superiority fighter (sorta like England and the US are doing). Also, or alternately, a larger nuclear sub project.

Also, India requests the identification of several government officials' identities after they are/will be captured in Africa from the SRGL. Specifically, who might oversee weapons stores, sales and the like. Names, ranks, & serial numbers please. This for purposes of extradition/exchange to the SRGL after certain formalities and paperwork stacks (and stacks and stacks and stacks) are taken care of.
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| September 18, 2010, 8:26 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I've had the urge to build a Ballistic Missile Sub for a while (Regular ballistics, of course, certainly not nuclear missiles, but a nuclear powered sub no less)

Of course, nuclear powered, not launching them. I was thinking more along the lines of a tech/economic resources sharing.
Quoting Thomas N
Wait a minute, in a joint project, who builds the MOC?

Well, if you send me all your Legos...


Oh, btw when do my subs show up? I'll take them at Pondicherry, iffin' you don't mind.
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| September 18, 2010, 9:07 pm
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OK MOCpages is horrible, I lost all my work again.

Basically
-Brendonian naval air power ravaged, with two carriers sunk and another critically damaged
- PCU attack and retake Oxnard with nearly 30,000 troops
-PCU mildly bombs Japan
- Egyptian air power has come to Texas and SRGL, and is destroying uncoordinated PCU air power
-Mackinack destroyer lost off of Newport News
-PCU counterattack at Newport News makes some light gains, heavy losses from P-E (Prusso-Egypt) Air Power
-P-E aircraft attack PCU in Kentucky, dealing critical damage, but taking heavy losses
-PCU sets up camp around Gainesville and Galveston, setting up advanced air defense systems in both areas
-Inactivity from Texas, SRGL, and FTSA
-Alaska campaign cools down due to heavy attrition and no support.
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| September 18, 2010, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I've already got a prototype sub thrown together, just needs some tweaking, and maybe a few more pieces.

>.>

<.<

You can work on a plane if you want...


And your LAS-1s should be there soon, they're already underway, so expect them in about a day.

Ladies and Gentlemen! The enthusiasm! Haha

Ok, sounds good. Or, we could FM LDD models...

Right on! I'll be flying your sailors back as soon as they familiarize mine with the ships.
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| September 18, 2010, 9:42 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Well, I'm sorry to say this, but...

Brendonia has offered a white peace to the PCU. I'll give them back everything that I might have had. And, hopefully, I can withdraw mah troopz and send them to Japan. Also, my fleet has already begun to move to Japan, hoping that the troops don't get blown up. I'm trusting this whole war to my navy, considering that, if the Russians land a sufficient number of troops and equipment on Japan, I lose. It's like when Japan used their navy against the ancient Mongolians, considering that the Mongols were, at the time, the greatest LAND force in the world. 'Tis all for now.

Oh, annnnnddddd... ARMY WON 24-0!


Fool! You've messed up my combat reports! Which are coming by sometime tonight. Well, I'll include action from earlier today too.

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| September 18, 2010, 10:06 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore


Sorry, Laddie, but I think your fleet will be sailing back without two carriers, as tonight's report is really yesterday's...
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| September 19, 2010, 12:09 am
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Oh, annnnnddddd... ARMY WON 24-0!

First shut out since 1993!
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| September 19, 2010, 12:12 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Yeah. My computer doesn't run Lego software, last time I tried to download one it almost killed the computer. I'll post a preliminary pic to flickr though.

Yeah, I know, the Universe Beta is the only Lego thing that hasn't royally messed up my PC...
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| September 19, 2010, 12:57 am
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Just as it is written, Awe has a war report!

In Japan:
Those darn Ruskies and Mongols are attempting to invade the home islands themselves. Coilgun bombardment on Japan has caused light-moderate damage on infrastructure, doing more damage to morale than actual stuff (imagine a V2 that's even more deadly and much harder to take out).

I haven't gotten exact numbers from anyone but Moffat, so I'm going to assume Brendan doesn't know what's going on and that over 9000 Mongols have invaded Korea and over 10000 Mongols have begun to invade Japan itself. It's a total surprise.

If Brendan hurries, he can still stop them, but his fleet is off in the Pacific...



So... Yea. More numbers people. Nick implied to me that the California front with Japan was now mine, but I think that's Matt's. I've got no clue.
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| September 19, 2010, 2:07 am
Anyone know who has rights to the old M48 tanks?
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| September 19, 2010, 8:54 am
Quoting -> avalella
Anyone know who has rights to the old M48 tanks?

Are you talking about this? http://mocpages.com/moc.php/202678
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| September 19, 2010, 9:16 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So... Yea. More numbers people. Nick implied to me that the California front with Japan was now mine, but I think that's Matt's. I've got no clue.


It WAS still mine, but Japan has decided to have peace with the PCU, so that combat area no longer exists.

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| September 19, 2010, 10:05 am
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Quoting -> avalella
Anyone know who has rights to the old M48 tanks?

That'd be me.
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| September 19, 2010, 11:22 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
That'd be me.

Would you be interested in selling the production rights to me?
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| September 19, 2010, 12:27 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Guess what? CR time! :D

Yaaaaay!
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| September 19, 2010, 12:48 pm
Quoting Thomas N
What's with you and WWII era equipment?

We all have our preferences, I like slightly futuristic, you like modern and he likes world war II.
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| September 19, 2010, 12:49 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
A further use for battleships in the modern world perhaps?


I have them, just not in the Medi.
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| September 19, 2010, 1:57 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Imma work on my battleship today.


Same here.
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| September 19, 2010, 2:39 pm
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I response to malicious accusations that India has treated prisoners with anything less than civility, India has pamphlet-scattered actual photos of relatively equal treatment of Indian and American wounded. Also, photos of Americans in well-stocked chow lines in prison camps. No reprisals have been executed against the Americans (might have been different for the traitorous American navy) in these camps.

It would be the Indian naval air force that the Americans would have to sweat about, it was their families that were stationed at Bombay, thankfully few of them were injured.
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| September 19, 2010, 2:44 pm
I'm baaaaack.

And we didn't have any destroyers, Evan, we had our ekranoplans instead. They've kind of replaced destroyers in the Grand Egyptian Navy.

And what about the submarines, eh?
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| September 19, 2010, 2:46 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Quoting Evan Melick
A further use for battleships in the modern world perhaps?


I have them, just not in the Medi.

I have one there >:D

In fact, I have a few.
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| September 19, 2010, 2:48 pm
So... about them War Chariots...

They are in fact armored with carbon-fiber-reinforced titanium, which is pretty light stuff. Due to our classified structuring method, things just tend to bounce off it.

I realize that the only units of ours that HAVE trained to go 80mph through the jungle were elite units, and not near as many as we have assembled. In truth, an invasion of a jungle with this many Hyper War Chariots would probably be a disaster due to traps and low visibility- which is a big problem for Chariot pilots. Just imagine if Hyper War Chariots were to fight Ewoks. Except the Ewoks have guns and explosives. Not fun.

And our Nubian-made recoilless rifles generally don't need to be cleaned after firing a few missiles out of them. Burning rocket fuel is a very good cleaning agent, we found. Melts grime right out of the barrel.

And we've had these built for a long time- we've just only recently upgraded them to Hyper War Chariots, which is pretty cheap. And don't forget how our super energy-based economy is like. We are the world's number one supplier of renewable and fossil fuel energy, and the equipment to produce it, plus tons of other stuff.

So in all, I just kinda went a little overboard there and forgot some things. Sorry about that, but I got a bit angrified after what Avavella said.
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| September 19, 2010, 3:00 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Is yours micro-scale?

We can't afford ten gazillion grey plates, slopes and tiles like you can, Master Wayne.
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| September 19, 2010, 3:01 pm
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Honestly, if I was getting attacked by some boat-plane hybrid, I think my forces should have taken out a lot more of them...
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| September 19, 2010, 3:07 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


After nearly a week of exhaustive trials on the Hyperfalcon that has been procured, Finland has determined that while Hypersonic capable, the F35P (currently in prototype form) has greater general maneuverability, and is far less complex to maintain (not to mention lower operating costs). Finland is also worried about possible fuel consumption issues. This fuel issue is compounded by extremely small ammunition storage owing to its extremely small size. The combat endurance (ammunition and fuel) is far too small for an Air Force that relies on small numbers of extremely high performance aircraft with large combat multipliers. We would, however, like to decommission our single unit and keep it on display here in Finland.
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| September 19, 2010, 4:01 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
So... about them War Chariots...

As someone who prides himself on knowing something about modern weaponry, even if they have super armor and are invincible to everything throw at them, any large shell or missile that impacts them are going to send them flying, due to their low side and ridiculously high center of gravity. Actually, they will probably tip over every time they take a turn.


And so began the sport of Chariot-tipping.

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| September 19, 2010, 4:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Honestly, if I was getting attacked by some boat-plane hybrid, I think my forces should have taken out a lot more of them...

I know, he should paint giant targets on the bottoms...
I was not at all worried about them attacking my navy, that would be a worse debacle today than the Fairey Battle was in 1940. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Battle
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| September 19, 2010, 4:13 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
So... about them War Chariots...

As someone who prides himself on knowing something about modern weaponry, even if they have super armor and are invincible to everything throw at them, any large shell or missile that impacts them are going to send them flying, due to their low side and ridiculously high center of gravity. Actually, they will probably tip over every time they take a turn.

They have a special kind of suspension, hypershock suspension, that largely negates the problems that their high center of gravity causes. However, whenever they make high speed turns, they often either use the weight of their turret to balance them out, or they do a barrel roll :D

No, really, they do! Barrel rolls are in fact part of their training. And the War Chariot's hardware is robust enough to survive them.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:05 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And so began the sport of Chariot-tipping.

I lol'd. Verily.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:07 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Show me how hypershock suspension works (dont just explain it) and I will believe it that a suspension system could allow something that has no ground clearance to not flip over owing to its high center of gravity.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:08 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

No, really, they do! Barrel rolls are in fact part of their training. And the War Chariot's hardware is robust enough to survive them.


So, they have titanium composite armor, recoilless guns that use rocket fuel, engines that can go 200 MPH over rough terrain and in forests/jungles, and super pilots which not only can dodge trees and rocks at 200 MPH, but can force their vehicles to spin over while driving, even with it's high center of gravity and all that expensive machinery, and survive?

Good Caupo, this is even more Mary Sue than my HAT-1.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:09 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

After nearly a week of exhaustive trials on the Hyperfalcon that has been procured, Finland has determined that while Hypersonic capable, the F35P (currently in prototype form) has greater general maneuverability, and is far less complex to maintain (not to mention lower operating costs). Finland is also worried about possible fuel consumption issues. This fuel issue is compounded by extremely small ammunition storage owing to its extremely small size. The combat endurance (ammunition and fuel) is far too small for an Air Force that relies on small numbers of extremely high performance aircraft with large combat multipliers. We would, however, like to decommission our single unit and keep it on display here in Finland.

Very well, it should make a fine museum piece. As Indy says: "It belongs in a museum!"

But what be this F-35P you speak of? And what of Hypersonic ability? The Hyperfalcon is by no means capable of hypersonic speeds, that would be the Hyperhawk. Something of hypersonic capability must be extremely aerodynamic- typically wedge or arrow shaped.

And the Hyperfalcon actually isn't as expensive as everyone thinks. It's pretty darn small, you know. However Hyperfalcons are often fitted with Magnetic Thrust Vectoring Mk. II- that can be expensive. So when we need to make a bunch of them, we don't include that, and instead just let it rely on its 2D thrust vectoring, which makes it hypermaneuverable anyway.

However, since MTV Mk. II provides such a clear advantage, we have, since 2035, produced many Hyperfalcons with the system. It allows the aircraft to perform any maneuver imaginable and out-maneuver any aircraft on the planet. So I don't quite think you can get any more maneuverable than the Hyperfalcon, but you might be able to attain the same level of maneuverability.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:16 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So, they have titanium composite armor, recoilless guns that use rocket fuel, engines that can go 200 MPH over rough terrain and in forests/jungles, and super pilots which not only can dodge trees and rocks at 200 MPH, but can force their vehicles to spin over while driving, even with it's high center of gravity and all that expensive machinery, and survive?

Good Caupo, this is even more Mary Sue than my HAT-1.

YES.

>:D

But 200mph is just their top speed, almighty Horus, nothing can dodge dense rocks and trees at that speed. During training, the highest speed ever achieved in a jungle with a War Chariot was near or over 80mph by a veteran pilot in one of Babylonia's little jungles. In the Congo, I'd say 60-70 mph would be most appropriate.

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| September 19, 2010, 5:21 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


The F35P is a multinational F35A-C upgrade program giving the F35 supercruise, thrust vectoring, new avionics, and Carrier capable. This kit is being developed currently, and should be able to be provided to funding nations next week after a 2-3 week development cycle.

And in terms of maneuverability, I say that the F35P would have the advantage IN FINNISH SERVICE due to the simple fact that the Magnetic Thrust vectoring is in my opinion overrated due to intense maintenance and cost involved with it. It makes more sense to install a 3D thrust vectoring system onto an existing type rather than go bankrupt supporting an unproven technology that cost a fortune to purchase anyway.

I am in no way saying that your system is inferior to others, or that it does not enjoy the advantages that you have noted, but for me it is simply not suited for my Air Force.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:24 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Show me how hypershock suspension works (dont just explain it) and I will believe it that a suspension system could allow something that has no ground clearance to not flip over owing to its high center of gravity.

Argh, ya beat meh.

Hypershock suspension is really mostly just suspension to reduce damage taken from falls, jumps, and barrel rolls.

So everybody remember, 200mph is their TOP SPEED, not their AVERAGE SPEED. In an urban environment their speed is generally 80-100mph, and often they slow down when making turns. Or do a barrel roll. Or distribute weight with their turret.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:24 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


The F35P is a multinational F35A-C upgrade program giving the F35 supercruise, thrust vectoring, new avionics, and Carrier capable. This kit is being developed currently, and should be able to be provided to funding nations next week after a 2-3 week development cycle.

And in terms of maneuverability, I say that the F35P would have the advantage IN FINNISH SERVICE due to the simple fact that the Magnetic Thrust vectoring is in my opinion overrated due to intense maintenance and cost involved with it. It makes more sense to install a 3D thrust vectoring system onto an existing type rather than go bankrupt supporting an unproven technology that cost a fortune to purchase anyway.

I am in no way saying that your system is inferior to others, or that it does not enjoy the advantages that you have noted, but for me it is simply not suited for my Air Force.

Ah. I see. My apologies, then.

And usually, to me, MTV Mk. II would be a way to enhance 3D thrust vectoring, not take its place- although I have yet to make 3D thrust vectoring for any of my planes :-P

Need to do that. Soon I'll be upgrading all my Luftwaffe aircraft.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:27 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
YES.

>:D

But 200mph is just their top speed, almighty Horus, nothing can dodge dense rocks and trees at that speed. During training, the highest speed ever achieved in a jungle with a War Chariot was near or over 80mph by a veteran pilot in one of Babylonia's little jungles. In the Congo, I'd say 60-70 mph would be most appropriate.


60-70 in a jungle? I'm still not buying it. We have temperate rainforests here in Oregon, and a rainforest is a lot like a jungle. The fastest speed you could get without a giant buzz saw on your car in those would be about 10 MPH.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:28 pm
Algerian engineers are working on a coil gun. It will mostly likely be set up in a solar farm in the Sahara desert.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:28 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The fastest speed you could get without a giant buzz saw on your car in those would be about 10 MPH.

Same thing in a pine forest, unless you wanted to go knocking down trees.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:31 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

60-70 in a jungle? I'm still not buying it. We have temperate rainforests here in Oregon, and a rainforest is a lot like a jungle. The fastest speed you could get without a giant buzz saw on your car in those would be about 10 MPH.

It depends on where you are in the forest.

They don't even need to go too fast at first anyway, they have superior range due to their missiles.

In any case, it is generally not a good idea nor advisable to send chariots through a heavily wooded area. They're only somewhat capable of doing so when they absolutely have to.

I have come up with an entirely different plan for the invasion of the USCA. It's going to be a surprise, yet it still involves Chariots.

Not Egyptian ones, though.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:35 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Not Egyptian ones, though.

What happened to only "defending"?
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| September 19, 2010, 5:38 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I'm not buying any of this. Even if you possessed such technologies and materials, the unit production and cost(s) would far outweigh what you could support. What you're hinting at is throwing a prized golden egg into a torrent of fire.

Not only that, but why do your vehicles need a speed over 90km/h? Any sensible foe knows to shove his boys into every nook and cranny to buy time and protection. And even if you're mobilizing in a rapid motion, you'll still want to keep at an understandable pace so you don't outrun your intel. You're pretty much saying that you don't plan to engage anything zealously enough.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:39 pm
Quoting Jake H.
What happened to only "defending"?

USCA aircraft attacked an airbase plus the Egyptian capital city of Thebes a few days ago. My conditions were that I wouldn't go on the offensive as long as they wouldn't.
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| September 19, 2010, 5:49 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I'm not buying any of this. Even if you possessed such technologies and materials, the unit production and cost(s) would far outweigh what you could support. What you're hinting at is throwing a prized golden egg into a torrent of fire.

Not only that, but why do your vehicles need a speed over 90km/h? Any sensible foe knows to shove his boys into every nook and cranny to buy time and protection. And even if you're mobilizing in a rapid motion, you'll still want to keep at an understandable pace so you don't outrun your intel. You're pretty much saying that you don't plan to engage anything zealously enough.

Our processes of producing the carbon and titanium armor for the war chariots has been made an extremely efficient and cost effective process, largely reducing the cost of producing war chariots. Also, the parts aren't very complicated, making them cheaper as well as robust and easy to replace.

And the first War Chariots from way back in the day are still in use today as Hyper War Chariots. War Chariots are very easy and cheap to upgrade, so we don't have to waste money on producing entirely new vehicles. In fact, the only difference between the Super War Chariot and Hyper War Chariot is the weapons.

As far as intel goes, it is advised to learn more about Prusso-Egypt as a whole before you think about how we gather and use intel. But I'll tell you anyway.

Intel can be gathered at any time any place in the Prusso-Egyptian military due to the Federal Armed Forces Network (FAFN), a very tightly regulated and cybernetically defended wireless internet just for the armed forces of Prusso-Egypt. It is not only used for intel, but also communication in general, including commanding, as well as a ton of other useful things.

Every vehicle in Prusso-Egypt's arsenal has a touch-screen command interface for the FAFN, so it can communicate with anything in Prusso-Egypt.

And it does have many different radio channels to allow un-congested communication, and can even allow the use of multiple channels at once- the hailing channel is always on by default and cannot be turned off by the vehicle operator.

So intel doesn't have to "catch up" with anything- intel is anywhere and everywhere. UAVs, unmanned Hyperfalcons (FF-1U Autofalcons) and satellites provide most of the reconnaissance, which can be almost instantly sent to wherever needed whenever.

You see, Prusso-Egypt is like a completely different world. Almost nothing in Prusso-Egypt is what you would consider "contemporary;" your favorite buzzword. Almost everything in Prusso-Egypt is completely different from most contemporary societies right down to the most everyday life things. It's this uber-liberalism that allows us to do the crazy things we do and actually make them work, and very well, too.

Although often exceptional to this is the German Empire. This is due to a certain breed of conservatism that is accepted in Prusso-Egypt because it's German. German things are cool. German conservatism and capitalism are some of the only types of conservatism and capitalism I like, if not THE only.

You'd like Germany.

So remember, whenever thinking about Prusso-Egypt, forget "contemporary" entirely. Let your mind loose and think freely.
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| September 19, 2010, 6:35 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Then shall we all think freely about how Capitalism got exterminated from Germany and how Islam got eradicated in Egypt. While there are certain things that can be an exception to modern "contemporary" designs and politics, honestly, if an entire group is filled with these fictitious illusions how is this group fun at all? Literally we can say anything and it works. This is not a critique of you but rather the group that you have created and the environment in here. I say that in the inevitable successor group, politics and statistics must not be bologna that is dreamt up, but rather empires are earned, technology is clearly explained (and make scientific sense), and MOC quality must match the quality of the description.

Ive had this on my mind for a while, and it seems that now would be a good time to simply tell the group about how I feel about this.
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| September 19, 2010, 6:44 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Then shall we all think freely about how Capitalism got exterminated from Germany and how Islam got eradicated in Egypt. While there are certain things that can be an exception to modern "contemporary" designs and politics, honestly, if an entire group is filled with these fictitious illusions how is this group fun at all? Literally we can say anything and it works. This is not a critique of you but rather the group that you have created and the environment in here. I say that in the inevitable successor group, politics and statistics must not be bologna that is dreamt up, but rather empires are earned, technology is clearly explained (and make scientific sense), and MOC quality must match the quality of the description.

Ive had this on my mind for a while, and it seems that now would be a good time to simply tell the group about how I feel about this.

I agree, but I thought the mods and Admins were here to make sure no one did anything too unrealistic.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:00 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I think that thing is too ridiculous and unfeasible for the time period.

Even I concur. There's no way a nuclear reactor can fit in that thing unless the whole thing is just a rolling nuclear reactor- in which case it wouldn't have any room for a pilot or armaments or cargo or anything.

And coilguns are much more effective than railguns. Railguns tend to tear themselves apart due to friction.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:07 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I agree, but I thought the mods and Admins were here to make sure no one did anything too unrealistic.


I hate to point out who is the creator/ chief admin of this group, and the rather dubious fiction he has created >.>

Being a combat mod, I can tell you, that while I do trim down some numbers of infantry/ vehicle deployments, I find it the hardest to compare MOCs, considering most have good statistics, but are either so outlandishly designed or of a poor quality that often times these "super designs" end up being trash on the battlefield.

What Im saying is that when the top people dont want to play by the rules of reality, the entire group is twisted and corrupted into a nearly laughable state.

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| September 19, 2010, 7:09 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Then shall we all think freely about how Capitalism got exterminated from Germany and how Islam got eradicated in Egypt. While there are certain things that can be an exception to modern "contemporary" designs and politics, honestly, if an entire group is filled with these fictitious illusions how is this group fun at all? Literally we can say anything and it works. This is not a critique of you but rather the group that you have created and the environment in here. I say that in the inevitable successor group, politics and statistics must not be bologna that is dreamt up, but rather empires are earned, technology is clearly explained (and make scientific sense), and MOC quality must match the quality of the description.

Ive had this on my mind for a while, and it seems that now would be a good time to simply tell the group about how I feel about this.

In the infamous words on of one the worst actors ever, "that's true critic". I'm really trying to abstain from involving myself from this arguement, but I would like to state that even with all his techs and specs, I feel I can still defeat him.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:09 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Your explanation was rather redundant. Most, if not all, militaries use networked systems of communication granted it allows for quickened speed. However, this is not intel, but rather the distribution of it. The raw ore of the intelligence comes from matters of the cloak and dagger variety. And in turn, that must be cobbled together to form an ideal method of operation. In all reality, you're working under premise and nothing more. This is the intel I respond to dictate. Although you can have all the live-feeds and fancy gadgets to keep your boys in check in terms of action, counter-intelligence will evolve to veil matters of priority from the oppressor.

Also, you're sense of "liberalism" may be giddy, but smooth seas do not make skillful sailors.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:11 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Even I concur. There's no way a nuclear reactor can fit in that thing unless the whole thing is just a rolling nuclear reactor- in which case it wouldn't have any room for a pilot or armaments or cargo or anything.

And coilguns are much more effective than railguns. Railguns tend to tear themselves apart due to friction.

I hate to break it to you, but there are nuclear reactors capable of fitting inside a living room, http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-toshiba-micro-nuclear-12.17b.html I'll remove if you guys really want me too though, but I want to see a solid argument first :P
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| September 19, 2010, 7:13 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Plus Africa wouldn't have the money for coilguns, railguns, or pretty much anything nuclear.

Cliffe said I could have gauss guns a WHILE ago, and I have all my many mines all worked for free, plus no jail bills.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:14 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Then shall we all think freely about how Capitalism got exterminated from Germany and how Islam got eradicated in Egypt. While there are certain things that can be an exception to modern "contemporary" designs and politics, honestly, if an entire group is filled with these fictitious illusions how is this group fun at all? Literally we can say anything and it works. This is not a critique of you but rather the group that you have created and the environment in here. I say that in the inevitable successor group, politics and statistics must not be bologna that is dreamt up, but rather empires are earned, technology is clearly explained (and make scientific sense), and MOC quality must match the quality of the description.

Ive had this on my mind for a while, and it seems that now would be a good time to simply tell the group about how I feel about this.

I said capitalism was allowed in Germany, not eradicated from it.

As much as I love realism, seriously, Islam ruins the fun over in the near east. So I made up part of the storyline that goes like so- at some point in the near future Iran and Israel had a nuclear war that caused much havoc and destruction in the Muslim world. This caused a large loss of faith in Islam as others saw the h@tred it can cause. So, it became more and more liberal until radical religious movements overtook it.

To me, not too unrealistic at all.

What you believe to be fictitious illusions to me are real possibilities of the future. I may actually some day seek to create Prusso-Egypt in the real world. It's part of why I do this.

People just need to learn to think outside any and all boundaries besides those of science and physics.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:16 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Where do you get the money to defeat him? Where do you get advanced technology? Where do you get an airforce sufficient enough to be effective against his once he starts going 100%?

That's the kind of realism we need here, an effective measure of a nations strength and ability to field and fund a advanced fighting force.

Because you're not going to win with tiny machine gun planes and M48s.

I don't really have advance technology. I'm defending a group of nations with extremely dense jungles, and I've been fortifying my cities for a while now. I'm not a combat mod, but I know that Evan is not biased in any way. I'm taking casualties, but I'm also learning from his tactics. Just because you can take down 1 jet, it doesn't mean your automatically going to be able to take down all of them using the exact same tactic.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:19 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

The raw ore of the intelligence comes from matters of the cloak and dagger variety.
Although you can have all the live-feeds and fancy gadgets to keep your boys in check in terms of action, counter-intelligence will evolve to veil matters of priority from the oppressor.

Also, you're sense of "liberalism" may be giddy, but smooth seas do not make skillful sailors.

That sort of intelligence is put in place before any kind of invasion or operation begins, and remains in place to keep up the intel feed. And they have similar fancy gadgets so they can communicate with command.

So they still don't have to "keep up" with a speeding division of War Chariots.

And I have no clue what you meant by the smooth sailing thing.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:22 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Where do you get the money to defeat him? Where do you get advanced technology? Where do you get an airforce sufficient enough to be effective against his once he starts going 100%?

That's the kind of realism we need here, an effective measure of a nations strength and ability to field and fund a advanced fighting force.

Because you're not going to win with tiny machine gun planes and M48s.


And hes not going to lose to dune buggies with recoiless rifles driving 50 mph through forests either. The problem is that when BOTH sides dont act in a realistic manner its a problem.

And Cliffe- no way that you could ever get rid of the Muslims in Egypt, (soon to be worlds largest religion, and no nuclear exchange could change that) and no way that you could get everyone worshiping an ancient and totally dead religion. For Germany, no WAY that ANY sensible German would want to go back to the days of the Kaiser. Whether or not a scenario makes sense to you, why do we even deal with these things? Why change the course of the future? The US pays BILLIONS to Egypt every year to prevent it from converting to Islam fully. You haven't even made an excuse why there is a Kaiser involved.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:22 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You won't be able to fund nuclear research, and even if you could, you haven't given sufficient time to fund nuclear research, you pretty much put out a massive, supposedly nuclear powered tank early on, back when you were still pretty much new to this group, without so much as a thought as to how a country with sub-par resources and infrastructure such as Algeria could even have a remote possibility at fielding such a vehicle, or whether such a vehicle design would be practical, or possible, in the 2030's.

I assumed, because the US has this technology now, if you fast forwarded a 36, it would be common (well not in Africa, but everywhere else). I will admit I didn't think about the practicality of the vehicle when I built it, as I was too exited when I finished. I mean, I just built a giant tank! Who wouldn't be excited and proud of it? And Algeria does have a good bit of resources http://dev.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/worldreference/DZ/resources.html
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| September 19, 2010, 7:28 pm
Quoting Thomas N
It has resources, but not the resources (or money) needed for nuclear reactors or a massive nuclear powered tank.

Besides, on the note of practicality, Something that large would probably only be able to acheive a top speed of 10 mph. And it has no anti-air protection. Any ground attack plane could take it out with a couple missiles or bombs, and the GTH only making the airman's job easier with the lack of maneuverability and speed attributed to its size.

Its a great Lego creation, and I can see why it would excite you, but its just not feasible for the real world.

*grumbles* I'd kind of like to see what Evan thinks of it before I remove it.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:37 pm
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Anatolia has a bit of uranium, I can supply that for Algeria in return for... something. Like how I'm supplying the "Flying Wings" that the African nations are using. >.>

And before anyone leaps on me for my anachronistic form of government, here's my explanation: Greece and Turkey fight, in order to not fight in the future, they make a one state solution, with voting houses much like the US. Instead of a president, they use a guy claiming to be descended from the house of Palaiologos. He was well liked, and didn't claim to be Muslim or Christian (because it's the near east). Figure head leader for people to unite behind. But he was sneaky, and managed to sideline the voting houses as party politics lead to whatever happened to the US in this timeline.

It's kind of logical.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:52 pm
Quoting Thomas N
/Sigh

Evan, I need you to agree that this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/219100 is not feasible or practical for an economically deprived nation in the 2030s.

The only reason Algeria has been economically deprived (as far as I can tell, there's little information on the subject) is because of the instability, I've fixed that with the Algerian Secret Police, better/more police, and getting rid of jails and sending everyone to the mines probably helped a lot.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:52 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
/Sigh

Evan, I need you to agree that this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/219100 is not feasible or practical for an economically deprived nation in the 2030s.


Oh, it's feasible, just not practical.

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| September 19, 2010, 7:54 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

I'm not Evan, but I concur. Algeria would need to be hyped up in some pseudo-revolution of industrial capacity before it could even think about fielding a fleet of domestically built jeeps with an efficient engine. To say a land battleship is being slung out with a reactor is a bit off.

And Cliffe, the proverb was meant to note that adversity is the driving force for productivity in man. Without conflict comes no prosperity nor character; it erodes primitive layers to bring about the jewel of proven worth.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:54 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Anatolia has a bit of uranium, I can supply that for Algeria in return for... something.

I should probably wait for Evan's critique, but I am more than interested.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:54 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oh, it's feasible, just not practical.

That's actually what I wanted to hear from Tom, having people continually beat up on your nations economics and such actually makes you want to quite. Having people say it's possible but unpractical is fine.
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| September 19, 2010, 7:57 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
That's actually what I wanted to hear from Tom, having people continually beat up on your nations economics and such actually makes you want to quite. Having people say it's possible but unpractical is fine.


I'd like to say that it's a hierarchy of members, but everyone is an equal target, from Cliffe, to you, to Finn (sorry Finn). Sometimes I think I'm the only one who hasn't gotten blasted yet.

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| September 19, 2010, 8:00 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
You won't be able to fund nuclear research, and even if you could, you haven't given sufficient time to fund nuclear research, you pretty much put out a massive, supposedly nuclear powered tank early on, back when you were still pretty much new to this group, without so much as a thought as to how a country with sub-par resources and infrastructure such as Algeria could even have a remote possibility at fielding such a vehicle, or whether such a vehicle design would be practical, or possible, in the 2030's.
Unless they are getting the technology and training from an outside source.

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| September 19, 2010, 8:00 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'd like to say that it's a hierarchy of members, but everyone is an equal target, from Cliffe, to you, to Finn (sorry Finn). Sometimes I think I'm the only one who hasn't gotten blasted yet.

True, I get blasted all the time (mostly privately from Evan and Erik). It can get annoying, but it'll help in the long run.
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| September 19, 2010, 8:02 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'd like to say that it's a hierarchy of members, but everyone is an equal target, from Cliffe, to you, to Finn (sorry Finn). Sometimes I think I'm the only one who hasn't gotten blasted yet.

I've gotten blasted twice in like a month >.>
although the first time shouldn't count, because it was me being silly.
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| September 19, 2010, 8:03 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I'm not allowed to have nukes. Stupid consitution...

Don't worry. From what I can tell, people here don't like nukes
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| September 19, 2010, 8:05 pm
Then we'd nuke back. There's a reason we haven't already remade Hiroshima or Nagasaki
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| September 19, 2010, 8:08 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Ah, but you fixed that after you introduced your mega-tank, so the timeline of stability to arms production doesn't fit.

Yes and no, it went emphasis on police, secret police, tank, mines. So...I guess, it would of been slightly difficult to produce.

While we're on this subject what do you think of this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/5006538494/
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| September 19, 2010, 8:29 pm
If it's still in orbit, we can do something about that space ship
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| September 19, 2010, 8:34 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
And our Nubian-made recoilless rifles generally don't need to be cleaned after firing a few missiles out of them. Burning rocket fuel is a very good cleaning agent, we found. Melts grime right out of the barrel.

Eh, no, in practice I'm pretty sure gun-missile combos tend aggravate fouling.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
And don't forget how our super energy-based economy is like. We are the world's number one supplier of renewable and fossil fuel energy, and the equipment to produce it, plus tons of other stuff.

Supplier to whom? You can't just say you sell energy to people, unless they say they're buying it from you. That's cheating.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
No, really, they do! Barrel rolls are in fact part of their training. And the War Chariot's hardware is robust enough to survive them.

What about the meatware inside? Unless you fill them with water, there's no way a human could live through a barrel roll at ~400 KM/H.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Good Caupo, this is even more Mary Sue than my HAT-1.

I no longer feel guilty about making my infantry tank invulnerable to the first few shots of any MBT gun currently in service.

Quoting Brendan Dore
It's a boat, it's plane, it's a... a... What is it?

Far too bloody vulnerable to anything sturdier than a blade of grass, that's what it is. It's like a hydrofoil that can fly; it can't land on land, I believe, and if it crashes into anything that'll be the end of it. It's fast, but that's all it has going for it.

Quoting Matt Hacker
...and MOC quality must match the quality of the description...

That's going to cause problems. Not everyone is really good at building, and you'll end up getting situations where people are building completely impractical things because the 'cooler' it is the better it is.

Quoting Jake H.
Algerian engineers are working on converting the standard coil guns on our GTH's to rail guns, because they are already nuclear powered, it shouldn't be too difficult. We will test the idea on one of our new tanks, that are currently being built, just to make sure though.

It isn't that simple; railguns are to coilguns as muzzleloaders are to breechloaders. Same technology, same lethality, completely different way of applying it. You'd need new everything to make it work.

Quoting Jake H.
...plus no jail bills.

Only way to do that would be to either shoot your criminals, or not punish them at all.

Although it seems you're using slave labour. Semi-practical idea, but you're wide open for sabotage and Cliffe'll probably use your inhumane treatment of criminals to provide the moral high ground for a full scale invasion.

Quoting Brendan Dore
Your tanks aren't modern enough.

>.>

Neither are mine, but I've got the advanced armour to get away with it.

And, a note? His tanks are antiquated in design, they're very modern in technology. If anything should get slammed as unrealistic, it's tanks still being viable without some impressive advances in armour.

Quoting Thomas N
4. Given that I think massive space ships are inherently unrealistic, it is still impossible that launching yours wouldn't have crippled your economy.

Would you say a craft 30 metres in diameter and 70 metres in length, built in orbit with a titanium frame and mostly hollow would be unrealistic? I'm thinking 'impractical' but not really 'unrealistic'.
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| September 19, 2010, 8:55 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

And hes not going to lose to dune buggies with recoiless rifles driving 50 mph through forests either. The problem is that when BOTH sides dont act in a realistic manner its a problem.

And Cliffe- no way that you could ever get rid of the Muslims in Egypt, (soon to be worlds largest religion, and no nuclear exchange could change that) and no way that you could get everyone worshiping an ancient and totally dead religion. For Germany, no WAY that ANY sensible German would want to go back to the days of the Kaiser. Whether or not a scenario makes sense to you, why do we even deal with these things? Why change the course of the future? The US pays BILLIONS to Egypt every year to prevent it from converting to Islam fully. You haven't even made an excuse why there is a Kaiser involved.

Um... hello?

German nationalism may have been nearly killed after WWII, but it's always around in some form. Today, it's on the rise. For the first time in forever Germans are seen waving flags in the masses again. Although it's due to things like football and the EU's version of American Idol, it works just as it should.

There is an actual growing monarchist movement in Germany, and I'm actually part of it.

As for Egypt, come on. I just explained it to you and it seems you just completely ignored my explanations by offering no real counterexamples. And really, the game wouldn't be near as fun without Egypt, Sumeria, Assyria, and Babylonia. It adds flavor to what would otherwise be very bland modern warfare.

Why don't I see you criticizing the Romans now, eh? They somehow manage to get the Greeks and Turks and all the Balkan ethnic groups to get along. How did he do it? Ever think about that?

You see, hyper-realism always ruins all the fun. I prefer just plain realism. And if you don't like it, you can go off and form your own boring-as-heII bland modern contemporary warfare group.
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| September 19, 2010, 8:58 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


I ignored your explanation on Egypt because it makes no sense. Modern day Western societies express nationalism by going and electing their leaders. I don't beat up on Rome because he doesn't go to war on two fronts and magically maintains a strong economy.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:01 pm
The coil guns have now finished a sucessful test sequence and are now being moved back to the solar farm in the Gobi.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:03 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I'm not trying to be critical of the nations in Africa. I'm only trying to point out some realistic facts about what would be possible for nations borne out of that region.

I should probably be more critical of Cliffe's unrealistic-ness, but I wouldn't know where to start...

Alright fine, @Cliffe

1. Your religious/governmental/social structure is wacky. See Matt for criticism of it.

2. Chariots can't be singularly used to take over a nation. They would need to supplement it with something heavier that can actually hold down land. So saying you're invading with war chariots doesn't really sound correct, or threatening.

3. Enkranoplanes (according to your video) can only go 300mph, not mach 5. And plus, they really wouldn't be able to replace destroyers in a navy.

4. Given that I think massive space ships are inherently unrealistic, it is still impossible that launching yours wouldn't have crippled your economy.

I'm changing the speed of my ekranoplan, I didn't quite know how fast it could go. And it doesn't quite matter to me- they're still fast. I have realized that even Mach 1 is ridiculous for any marine vessel, but a marine vessel travelling 300mph still has a clear speed advantage against larger vessels.

They can deal as much damage as a destroyer when put in squadrons. Remember, modern destroyers are actually the size of cruisers, and modern cruisers more like battlecruisers or heavy cruisers.

As for the governmental and religious structure, I don't have time to deal with that right now. Maybe I'll elaborate on it later, but just believe me, I know exactly how it can and does work out.

Chariots NEVER take on a nation alone! Where did that idea come from? They always have support from artillery, anti-tank, self-propelled guns, infantry, IFVs/APCs and other stuff. Artillery is key in how we hold down land, but so are the chariots. They do it in a certain way when occupying cities- as squadrons, they constantly patrol around at cruising speeds being extremely cautious and eliminating any and all threats they come across, especially threats to the occupying infantry. You see, I have a plan for absolutely everything.

And like I just said to Matt, if you're criticizing me so much why don't you go give Awesome-o-saurus a visit while you're at it? He's got a lot in common with me.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:09 pm
Do you have a plan for an Asian nation with not much to loose shooting you multi-billion dollar spacecraft out of orbit with coil guns?
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| September 19, 2010, 9:13 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
And really, the game wouldn't be near as fun without Egypt, Sumeria, Assyria, and Babylonia. It adds flavor to what would otherwise be very bland modern warfare.

Why don't I see you criticizing the Romans now, eh? They somehow manage to get the Greeks and Turks and all the Balkan ethnic groups to get along. How did he do it? Ever think about that?

You see, hyper-realism always ruins all the fun. I prefer just plain realism. And if you don't like it, you can go off and form your own boring-as-heII bland modern contemporary warfare group.


Actually, I find the idea of a reformed-Caliphate very interesting. In fact, that's probably what I'm going to do if this group dies and we make a new one.

And I force everyone to get along upon pain of deportation. I'm sure Arizona and illegal immigrants would get along if Obama was an absolute ruler and threatened to kick out whoever is the aggressor in a conflict.

Also, plain old modern military is boring. You know what would be fun? Medieval military.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:13 pm
For the sun god's sake, the IFS Brinstar isn't really that big at all. It's only about five space shuttles long- and that's the shuttle itself, no fuel tanks or boosters.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Well, impractical for sure, but you seem to have it down to a science as far as realistic-ness goes.

Cliffe's on the other hand, just seems plain ridiculous, and that goes without him giving size specs.


I'm the technical admin in the UNEA. I've seen a LOT of ridiculous ideas over time. Let's just say that when it's active, Finn's around the midpoint of realisticness.

As for Cliffe... well, my opinion is that he's sort of like Finn, if Finn got mobbed by a whole group at once all saying NO THAT'S NOT REALISTIC at some point in the past. That's what happened to him in the previous group, is it not?
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| September 19, 2010, 9:20 pm
I have no problem with you ship, really. I just like the idea that I can make it go bye-bye
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| September 19, 2010, 9:20 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

I'm the technical admin in the UNEA. I've seen a LOT of ridiculous ideas over time.

Yup.... I've learned to tune them out
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| September 19, 2010, 9:21 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

I'm the technical admin in the UNEA. I've seen a LOT of ridiculous ideas over time. Let's just say that when it's active, Finn's around the midpoint of realisticness.

As for Cliffe... well, my opinion is that he's sort of like Finn, if Finn got mobbed by a whole group at once all saying NO THAT'S NOT REALISTIC at some point in the past. That's what happened to him in the previous group, is it not?

You nailed it, boi.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:22 pm
Yeah, and y'all can also go see Mongolia and see how realistic THEY are. How can they afford a huge army like they have with such a tiny population? And how did THEY get COIL GUNS?

I at least have a super-duper energy based economy to run everything. And who do I sell it to, you ask? The French, often. I'm going to offer a lot to the others pretty soon, because they're going to start running out of their fossil fuels kind of soon-ish. Especially those at war.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:25 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I ignored your explanation on Egypt because it makes no sense. Modern day Western societies express nationalism by going and electing their leaders. I don't beat up on Rome because he doesn't go to war on two fronts and magically maintains a strong economy.

How does a delcaration of war and deploying of military units suddenly deprive you of money? The units I use in war had been built for a while, so they can't hurt the economy. As far as supplies goes, I actually haven't invaded anyone yet. As soon as I do, then I'll start using my economic power.

And going and electing leaders has nothing to do with nationalism. That's something you call democracy. Nationalism is more like a very strong version of patriotism- love for your country, wanting it to be as strong as it can be.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:28 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Quoting Jake H.
...plus no jail bills.

Only way to do that would be to either shoot your criminals, or not punish them at all.

Although it seems you're using slave labour. Semi-practical idea, but you're wide open for sabotage and Cliffe'll probably use your inhumane treatment of criminals to provide the moral high ground for a full scale invasion.


I didn't like the idea of a bunch of criminals sitting eating my hard earned food, and they do have a choice, they can stop shooting people selling illegal stuff etc.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:32 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
If it's still in orbit, we can do something about that space ship

I second that, I'm off to build a few SCRAM jets.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:35 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For the sun god's sake, the IFS Brinstar isn't really that big at all. It's only about five space shuttles long- and that's the shuttle itself, no fuel tanks or boosters.


205 metres in length, approx. 50 metres in diameter, mainly solid as far as spacecraft go... that's twice as long as the frakking ISS is wide, including solar panels. Must mass around 7000 tonnes.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
And I force everyone to get along upon pain of deportation. I'm sure Arizona and illegal immigrants would get along if Obama was an absolute ruler and threatened to kick out whoever is the aggressor in a conflict.

You forgot the castrating and blinding.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Also, plain old modern military is boring. You know what would be fun? Medieval military.

Yeah, I don't know much about that beyond Cavalry > Everything, Pikes > Cavalry, Infantry > Pikes, Archers > Everything, Everything > Archers once in melee range. Oh, and Arquebus and Pike > absolutely everything, but that'd be too 'futuristic'.

...Actually, methinks the fairy-tale opinion of "Knights are awesome and can kill anything with a charge" is quite prevalent in some of the newer members. So if I managed to start near them I'd be able to build up my faction pretty well in the early stages.

Which period are you thinking of?

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You nailed it, boi.

Thought as much.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, and y'all can also go see Mongolia and see how realistic THEY are. How can they afford a huge army like they have with such a tiny population? And how did THEY get COIL GUNS?

I don't think they have a huge army, I'm pretty sure they act as the fast, mobile elements for Siberia.

And coilguns? I've got a arrangement with him wherein he provides resources, and I use my overdeveloped industrial base to build things for him. The coilguns were because I was thinking of putting some on tanks, but decided it just wouldn't work and said "hey, I've got no use for these, you want 'em?"

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How does a delcaration of war and deploying of military units suddenly deprive you of money? The units I use in war had been built for a while, so they can't hurt the economy. As far as supplies goes, I actually haven't invaded anyone yet. As soon as I do, then I'll start using my economic power.

I think it's something to do with thousands of able bodied workers suddenly getting up and vanishing overseas for months at a time, and factories being regeared to produce extra ammunition and equipment to replace losses.

Quoting Jake H.
I second that, I'm off to build a few SCRAM jets.


Remember to fit enough rocket engines, otherwise they'll just sit on the runway making noise.

Quoting Jake H.
I didn't like the idea of a bunch of criminals sitting eating my hard earned food, and they do have a choice, they can stop shooting people selling illegal stuff etc.

What about when people stop committing crimes because they don't want to work in the mines? Something similar happened in England when they needed people for the colonies. Stole a loaf of bread? Off to Australia. Stole a few pints of milk? Off to Australia. Offended the nobility? Off to Australia.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:37 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Nationalism doesn't usually go in the form of a dictatorship. And when they do, its rarely long lasting. Napoleon: everyone loved the little guy, but his reign didnt work out for long. Mao: people loved him, and he WAS successful in modernizing China, but at the cost of 70 MILLION people. North Korea: Brainwashed useless society.

Listen to me, MODERN GERMANY DOES NOT WANT A DICTATOR!!! You can point all you want to history and say that they have had them in the past, but you fail to realize how hard hit their psyche was after WWII. They still have bad memories of WWI (led by a Kaiser) and WWII. Tell me how the German people would ever want to repeat that? Their current constitution backs that mentality, they arent even allowed ANY offensive military action! Im not saying that your government isnt like that, but it is HIGHLY improbable that it would be possible to get from Point A to point B. The last time I checked, countries cant just be based around energy, with the exceptions of say Kuwait or Saudi Arabia. You are fighting in several major wars right now (of course, I am combat modding for one [and NO this DOES NOT mean that I will be biased against you]), and wars are not good for countries economies. So even if your economies are energy based, since you have (what I assume to be) and open-market economy, wouldn't all these wars (which you didn't even need to get into, like Iraq) would surely scare investors and businesses. Just because your main resource isn't effected, your markets will reflect on the outlook of war.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:43 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

Yeah, I don't know much about that beyond Cavalry > Everything, Pikes > Cavalry, Infantry > Pikes, Archers > Everything, Everything > Archers once in melee range. Oh, and Arquebus and Pike > absolutely everything, but that'd be too 'futuristic'.

...Actually, methinks the fairy-tale opinion of "Knights are awesome and can kill anything with a charge" is quite prevalent in some of the newer members. So if I managed to start near them I'd be able to build up my faction pretty well in the early stages.

Which period are you thinking of?



You got it pretty much down, except accounting for common problems back then (plague, desertions due to no nationalism, etc). As for period, I was thinking 1100s, but any time from 600-1600 could work for me. That's not really medieval, more like 1000 years of stuff.
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| September 19, 2010, 9:52 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, and y'all can also go see Mongolia and see how realistic THEY are. How can they afford a huge army like they have with such a tiny population? And how did THEY get COIL GUNS?

I at least have a super-duper energy based economy to run everything. And who do I sell it to, you ask? The French, often. I'm going to offer a lot to the others pretty soon, because they're going to start running out of their fossil fuels kind of soon-ish. Especially those at war.

Army Stats:
Currently conscript women as well as men, in 25 years under my control we'd still have that, plus we reclaimed Inner Mongolia from the Chinese. We also have the communist government that can tax for the good of the nation
Coil Guns:
We have friends in high places. And a large, handy desert to put stuff in

We also sell uranium. I hear it's rather expensive

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| September 19, 2010, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
seconded.


Thirded
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| September 19, 2010, 9:57 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Thirded

Admins decide these things, not the Mods and Regs.

For me, I vote yes on taking all space things out of the mix. So does Tom. Now we just need Awe and Cliffe to vote.
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| September 19, 2010, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Here's an idea? Nix anything revolved to space completely? No spaceships, no railgun satellites, no coilguns, no nothing. Just keep it simple and fun. Chripe.


Arming satellites is a logical move, although expensive. Quite a few countries as of 2010 have spacecraft, including France, Russia, China, India and as I recall, Germany has a few.

Coilguns are a near future supergun; when you need to get something round and made of metal somewhere really fast, they're the perfect tool. IIRC the Yankees have been toying with them for the last 20 years.
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| September 19, 2010, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Thirded


Fourthed. To think I had to build something to destroy pesky railgun satellites.

Question: Does something along the lines of what the goal of Star Wars(No, not the movie) pass as believable, 40-50 years later than when the project was abandoned?
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| September 19, 2010, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Admins decide these things, not the Mods and Regs.

For me, I vote yes on taking all space things out of the mix. So does Tom. Now we just need Awe and Cliffe to vote.


I know, but don't the people which populate this group get a say?
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| September 19, 2010, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Question: Does something along the lines of what the goal of Star Wars(No, not the movie) pass as believable, 40-50 years later than when the project was abandoned?


Not if the other two admins vote for no more spacey stuff.

My opinion is that banning spacey stuff would be even more unrealistic than giant spaceships. People just stop building things in space? Somehow I can't see it happening.
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| September 19, 2010, 10:22 pm
Just out of curiosity, how do you aim these guns? I'm confident your space program isn't funded well enough to send one up on its own orbit every time you wanna fire. Also, even if you were able to aim them, if you miscalculate firing solutions by less then thousanths of a milimeter, you can risk missing the Earth, let alone your target, entirely. Also don't forget the massive impact of the coriolis effect at that range, and gravity, and the increased friction on projectiles (I doubt they wouldn't burn up significantly without extreme FMJ's). I'm not trying to get your hopes up, I know ways to counter these effects, but I think you need a reminder that putting a missile on GPS coordinates isn't as easy as throwing a dart on a flat, unmoving, and unprotected map.
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| September 19, 2010, 10:27 pm
Quoting Thomas N
seconded.

Sixth'd, to an extent. Conventional space missions should be allowed, but they won't happen for a while.

THE ONLY REAL REASON why I built my spaceship is because Areetsa built one. I think they should both be rid of.
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| September 19, 2010, 10:49 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

I'm the technical admin in the UNEA. I've seen a LOT of ridiculous ideas over time. Let's just say that when it's active, Finn's around the midpoint of realisticness.

As for Cliffe... well, my opinion is that he's sort of like Finn, if Finn got mobbed by a whole group at once all saying NO THAT'S NOT REALISTIC at some point in the past. That's what happened to him in the previous group, is it not?

>.>
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| September 19, 2010, 11:07 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Cliffe at least your economy can pretend it can afford a spaceship. Areetsa would bankrupt his country five or six more times before he got one in the air.

Militaristic state and everyone else looking the other way. I'm interested that nobody's complaining about the fact that all the parts were shipped up in Soyuz ships.

Oh, and Cliffe's is three times the size of mine and a completely different design. Mine was built on an existing pattern, Cliffe's was built from the ground up.
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| September 19, 2010, 11:09 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


Uh, the battle thing up? >.>
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| September 19, 2010, 11:10 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I think they should both be rid of.

Only if I get a full refund of all the costs and resources, my Soyuz capsules back and get to start mass-producing the heavy tank I commissioned from Awe the moment he finishes it.

Quoting Finn C-Q
>.>

5 million GROPOs.
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| September 19, 2010, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For the sun god's sake, the IFS Brinstar isn't really that big at all. It's only about five space shuttles long- and that's the shuttle itself, no fuel tanks or boosters.

So, can I go attack people with my bat-winged battleships, hypersonic battlestars, and sound cannons now?
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| September 19, 2010, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Uh, the battle thing up? >.>


Sorry. Awe went to bed because his headache was making his stomach narly.

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| September 19, 2010, 11:33 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Just out of curiosity, how do you aim these guns? I'm confident your space program isn't funded well enough to send one up on its own orbit every time you wanna fire. Also, even if you were able to aim them, if you miscalculate firing solutions by less then thousanths of a milimeter, you can risk missing the Earth, let alone your target, entirely. Also don't forget the massive impact of the coriolis effect at that range, and gravity, and the increased friction on projectiles (I doubt they wouldn't burn up significantly without extreme FMJ's). I'm not trying to get your hopes up, I know ways to counter these effects, but I think you need a reminder that putting a missile on GPS coordinates isn't as easy as throwing a dart on a flat, unmoving, and unprotected map.

I assume you're talking to me. The answer is simple: One helluva lot of math. Fudge-tons of math. Math in the way of I-should-be-studying-for-my-french-test-but-these-numbers-won't-crunch-themselves math. A projectile simulator takes out a bit of work but trust me, speaking as a guy who wants to design aircraft for a living, I put some thought into it. I also fired a lot of em to make up for the tiny variances in the atmosphere and crap, as in this universe perfection is impossible.
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| September 19, 2010, 11:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
So, can I go attack people with my bat-winged battleships, hypersonic battlestars, and sound cannons now?

I shall call in the UNE fleet!
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| September 20, 2010, 12:00 am
Quoting -> avalella
Just out of curiosity, how do you aim these guns? I'm confident your space program isn't funded well enough to send one up on its own orbit every time you wanna fire. Also, even if you were able to aim them, if you miscalculate firing solutions by less then thousanths of a milimeter, you can risk missing the Earth, let alone your target, entirely. Also don't forget the massive impact of the coriolis effect at that range, and gravity, and the increased friction on projectiles (I doubt they wouldn't burn up significantly without extreme FMJ's). I'm not trying to get your hopes up, I know ways to counter these effects, but I think you need a reminder that putting a missile on GPS coordinates isn't as easy as throwing a dart on a flat, unmoving, and unprotected map.

I'd replied to this with a decent argument, but apparently I said something the Pages didn't like. I'll try to do it again. Basically, they don't need to be in orbit. Just huck em up at the right time (I know that's very oversimplified) I did a lot of math when I worked out the solutions for those guns. Air resistance, motion of the earth, gravity, supersonic drag coefficients, mass, inertia, you name it, it's in there. I hit Sapporo because that's what I could hit. There was no orbit involved, as I know the rounds wouldn't survive re-entry. The rounds traveled on a ballistic trajectory in a very realistic manner. I fired multiple shots, just to make sure the variances in the atmosphere didn't mess things up too much. And trust me, if I want to hit a satellite, it's just a matter of timing, very precise timing
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| September 20, 2010, 12:06 am
Now the other one shows up..... Just take the best arguments from both then
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| September 20, 2010, 12:07 am
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Quoting John Moffatt
I shall call in the UNE fleet!

Yay!
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| September 20, 2010, 12:10 am
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Quoting John Moffatt
Now the other one shows up..... Just take the best arguments from both then

You said he||uva, the sensors don't like that.
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| September 20, 2010, 12:10 am
Darn, that used to work.
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| September 20, 2010, 12:11 am
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Quoting John Moffatt
Darn, that used to work.

And carp. Censors don't like that either. In fact, I'm not even sure if the censors like the word "censors" either.
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| September 20, 2010, 3:07 am
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Quoting John Moffatt
I'd replied to this with a decent argument, but apparently I said something the Pages didn't like. I'll try to do it again. Basically, they don't need to be in orbit. Just huck em up at the right time (I know that's very oversimplified) I did a lot of math when I worked out the solutions for those guns. Air resistance, motion of the earth, gravity, supersonic drag coefficients, mass, inertia, you name it, it's in there. I hit Sapporo because that's what I could hit. There was no orbit involved, as I know the rounds wouldn't survive re-entry. The rounds traveled on a ballistic trajectory in a very realistic manner. I fired multiple shots, just to make sure the variances in the atmosphere didn't mess things up too much. And trust me, if I want to hit a satellite, it's just a matter of timing, very precise timing


Awe, what's the scouter say about his technobabble level?

IT'S OVER 9000!

And no war report because as Nick said, I woke up with pain behind my eyes, which turned into a bad headache, which made my stomach narly around 7:30 PM Pacific time. Now it's 5:23 AM Pacific time, and I'm gonna do my homework.

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| September 20, 2010, 8:23 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Jake H.
I didn't like the idea of a bunch of criminals sitting eating my hard earned food, and they do have a choice, they can stop shooting people selling illegal stuff etc.

What about when people stop committing crimes because they don't want to work in the mines? Something similar happened in England when they needed people for the colonies. Stole a loaf of bread? Off to Australia. Stole a few pints of milk? Off to Australia. Offended the nobility? Off to Australia.

It's Afrika, by the time that happens, I'll have built up my infrastructure.
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| September 20, 2010, 8:44 am
Quoting Areetsa C
And carp. Censors don't like that either. In fact, I'm not even sure if the censors like the word "censors" either.

Wait, now a species of fish is considered "dirty language"?
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| September 20, 2010, 9:40 am
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The Chinese soldiers are coming along just fine, turns out many of them are former military themselves in some form or another (secret police, etc). Advanced training is set for them for parachuting, for reasons which at the moment will remain a well-guarded secret (for no other reason except I'd like to see you guys sweat about it.).

The USCA can rest assured that India wishes to protect, and will against contrary forces to protect, the sovereignty of her borders in Africa.

Three more destroyers have been finished and will remain close to Indian homeland to hunt down subs that may encroach on her borders. Delivery has been made of the five purchased submarines from Oceania, they will assist the destroyers in ASW.

Those oil rigs are nearing completion. Suffice it to say that they are about 10km off my ports, well within guarded range. Surveying has started on two sites in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands for extended naval bases. The original plan called for three sites, but it was determined that the Maldives site would be redundant since two ports already existed on the Western Seaboard.
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| September 20, 2010, 11:01 am
There I fixed everything. No more tank-of-doom
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| September 20, 2010, 11:51 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Cliffe I'd like to aquire the production rights to the HYPERFALCON! A.C.'s gettin some ideas!!! >:)

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| September 20, 2010, 3:20 pm
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The SRS (Sovereign Republics' Ship) Delegate, the current French aircraft carrier, will be making a voyage to S. Africa and then to the Maldives. The Navy has proclaimed that such an expensive piece of kit isn't seeing too much action; of course this is because we still had to train our boys in the carrier's gear. Anyhow, this trip will help gather data on the Sydney-class for future accommodations once the SRS Diplomacy is completed per agreement. The carrier should only be loitering in the Maldives long enough to re-supply and return back to France.

Aside from that, the two Maur. republics have finally worked things through "promising" to leave on another alone for some time. However, the Islamic Rep. has not agreed to disarm by any degree leaving a stale fear in the air. Aside from that, the Nat. Rep. is now looking at Atlantic statehood and thus becoming more than a protectorate. This will enable the nation to recover by some measure in terms of capital gain and stability. The fact remains that this will be a grueling process of some time.

Also, W. Sahara has now been secured as a sovereign state in itself. After several weeks of pressure, Morocco has released the territory to go its own way [although remaining in the ADCC]. Tension is present between the two governments, but armed action is not suspected too high on the list. If anything, this was a move awaiting to happen and should have been done long ago.

Switching things back to Europe, Italy has undergone a 65% refit of damaged infrastructure caused by the recent war. This is mainly roadways, rail lines, bridges, and quite a few homes. The idea now is to finish the job with most of it being private businesses needing re-done. By end-year, all should be well.
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| September 20, 2010, 4:21 pm
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The integration of Estonia's and Latvia's economies with Finland is complete at this time.

An Air Base in the Finnish owned corner of Kenya is complete, and the armored division stationed there is being sent back home, to be replaced with 2 infantry divisions and a fresh armored division.

Started a long while back, the upgrades to Finland's shipyards are complete: we now have a 60% increase in production capacity.
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| September 20, 2010, 4:31 pm
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Also, all fronts fighting in Texas or the SRGL please get me FMs by 6 PM Eastern Time, yesterday was rather disappointing in terms of getting zero FMs.
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| September 20, 2010, 4:33 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
…the "Flying Wings" that the African nations are using...

The Flying Wing is a plane by Jake or Avallila. (Spelling Fail?)
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| September 20, 2010, 4:51 pm
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Short and sweet CR for tonight ( I am very busy and apologize to those who could not send in their FMs on time today.

Alaska- This front has largely been abandoned, and the Oseans are winning the battle of attrition here

SRGL- In Newport News, a vicious naval battle occurred. SRGL submarines encircled the PCU fleet, and launched cruise missiles at them. While the SRGL subs could not stay around to witness their work, but considering the wall of cruise missiles sent at the PCU fleet, a large number of vessels are presumed destroyed. While prior engagements have mimicked the experiences off the coast of Africa (CIWS defeating most, if not all missiles), due to the encirclement of the fleet, they took heavy casualties. Since I NEVER received ANY actual numbers on this PCU fleet (ever) I will just say that at least 1/2 of all vessels were sunk, and another 1/6 damaged. The SRGL subs were quickly engaged by the screening PCU subs, and disposed of three in a timely manner.

The SRGL forces hunkered down to fight off the half-spirited PCU counterattack, and managed to inflict maximum damage.

Texas- Egyptian air support continued to pound on the FTSA strike forces, making sure that even more forces were being decimated. However, several Hyperhawks/falcons were lost due to advanced air defense deployed by the FTSA.

The PCU attack from Oklahoma is once again a stalemate.
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| September 20, 2010, 6:25 pm
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@Matt: I was away from the computer until 6:01 EST and was actually writing my Combat Plans when you posted that. :/
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| September 20, 2010, 6:35 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
The Flying Wing is a plane by Jake or Avallila. (Spelling Fail?)


I just realized. But someone bought my stuff...
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| September 20, 2010, 6:37 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

India wishes to extend Oceania a proposal (again, though different this time) for a mutual protection plan if attacked. Since Oceania has sworn a non-aggression statement to India, India would like to return the favor. Contingencies can be discussed later, but the offer stands.
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| September 20, 2010, 6:38 pm
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