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International Conversation Forum XXXI
 Group admin 
Number 31.

-War in America winding down.
-War in Eurasia brewing up.
-War in Asia starting.

NOTE: There will not be a new group. Be quiet.
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| October 6, 2010, 8:33 pm
 Group admin 
There will be a new group when this one dies, many months or years from now. But, right now, I don't see the need for one.

Let the games continue.
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| October 6, 2010, 8:35 pm
 Group admin 
DUNNA DUNNA!

Late last night, five Indian bombers flew in under the cover of darkness and dropped X-Bombs along Southwest Hunan. SAM teams were largely ineffective due to the high altitudes and surprise tactics used by the Indian bombers.

While teams were sent out to inspect the damage of the bombs, 25 UH-1s were sent over the border, and they landed at Yongzhou. The 300 soldiers immediately secured the SAM and Border Checkpoints along that Administrative District’s border, with light resistance from China.

However, China will not take this lightly. Troops are mobilizing in the bordering districts.
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| October 6, 2010, 8:49 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Nick Shelton


So you are the new Combat Mod. Good luck, and try not to piss everyone off (like I am pretty sure I did quite regularly).
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| October 6, 2010, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Nick Shelton


So you are the new Combat Mod. Good luck, and try not to piss everyone off (like I am pretty sure I did quite regularly).

Sadly.
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| October 6, 2010, 8:58 pm
Yaay for Nick!
@Will
I play the viola.
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| October 6, 2010, 8:59 pm
In the USCA, troops have touched down and are being integrated with Roman Forces. We are also preparing to send our 25 King Leopards to the front, however they are currently being used for testing purposes with M908A2 prototypes. The M908A2 project is moving along rather nicely, is proving to even be a match for many advanced European tanks. It is being designed to meet UFE standards, and much effort is being put into it's targeting systems. The efficient autoloader from the A1 will be carried over to this model, allowing for small 3 man crews. Unemployment is at a record low, and many projects are entering planning phases to continue to employ workers and better the infrastructure of the nearly all "green" USCA
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| October 6, 2010, 9:54 pm
Tomorrow, Avalella, you shall face the full wrath of King Nebuchadnezzar VII! :D
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| October 6, 2010, 10:09 pm
@Gober:

You attacked Portland in a very... unconventional manner. Which is not at all acceptable.
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| October 6, 2010, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Tomorrow, Avalella, you shall face the full wrath of King Nebuchadnezzar VII! :D

You'll have to be careful not to hit any Romans though. >:D
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| October 6, 2010, 10:13 pm
Someone, whoever the bloody combat mod is for Japan! My parting gift! Now!
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| October 6, 2010, 10:16 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
@Gober:

You attacked Portland in a very... unconventional manner. Which is not at all acceptable.

You mean I attacked it in a sneaky way, and you don't like it, sheesh, I'm not the one invading countries with so called hyper-chariots capable of 200 mph speeds...
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| October 6, 2010, 10:20 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Someone, whoever the bloody combat mod is for Japan! My parting gift! Now!


Yea, yea, yea. Here you go:

In Japan, Mongolian forces were being picked off ten by ten, and as a parting gift, the forces in Korea decided to give them an end worthy of remembrance.

Them being the Japanese.

10 Taepodong-1 missiles (without warheads) headed for Tokyo, Yokohama, and and Kyoto. 10 for each city, that is. Tokyo was hit by 6, 4 being shot down. 7 hit Yokohama, and 8 hit Kyoto. I don't know what significance these targets held, but major damage has been done where they hit.
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| October 6, 2010, 10:20 pm
Random Act of Violence for the day: Check
Thanks Awesome.
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| October 6, 2010, 10:36 pm
Where in the Two Lands is Tom?
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| October 6, 2010, 10:59 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Where in the Two Lands is Tom?


In the Three Land, apparently.
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| October 6, 2010, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
10 Taepodong-1 missiles (without warheads)

When you say that, you mean non-nuclear, right? Because if they had no warheads at all, he'd be hitting them with big, expensive, bullets.
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| October 6, 2010, 11:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
When you say that, you mean non-nuclear, right? Because if they had no warheads at all, he'd be hitting them with big, expensive, bullets.

Yes, non-nuclear. I enjoy being evil, but I have to abide by some basic group rules.

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| October 6, 2010, 11:15 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Yes, non-nuclear. I enjoy being evil, but I have to abide by some basic group rules.

It was more the: "Why is he launching a bunch of useless rockets than 'non-nuclear'" that caught me off guard.
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| October 6, 2010, 11:25 pm
Well, inefficiency is fun, but If I`m going to launch ICBMs they`re going to be armed.
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| October 6, 2010, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Where in the Two Lands is Tom?

I couldn't get on the internet yesterday, I should get a full report up tonight though...
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| October 7, 2010, 7:57 am
Who's fighting who?
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| October 7, 2010, 8:01 am
No idea. I'm not sure if the ICBM that killed 200 people was enough to satisfy his need for revenge on me.
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| October 7, 2010, 8:58 am
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Who's fighting who?

The world is fighting Cliffe.
India fighting what's left of China.
John vs. Japan -ish....
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| October 7, 2010, 11:14 am
whos the dark apple green on the map
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| October 7, 2010, 12:53 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yea, yea, yea. Here you go:

In Japan, Mongolian forces were being picked off ten by ten, and as a parting gift, the forces in Korea decided to give them an end worthy of remembrance.

Them being the Japanese.

10 Taepodong-1 missiles (without warheads) headed for Tokyo, Yokohama, and and Kyoto. 10 for each city, that is. Tokyo was hit by 6, 4 being shot down. 7 hit Yokohama, and 8 hit Kyoto. I don't know what significance these targets held, but major damage has been done where they hit.
Awe just wondering this may i have alliance ?.

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| October 7, 2010, 12:56 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I couldn't get on the internet yesterday, I should get a full report up tonight though...

Alack.

Well, you know my plans.

State of affairs in the FTSA:

FTSA is going to start a massive recruitment campaign for the military. Encitements such as early retirement and pention plans (and stuff) are being offered. Already, 4000+ have joined because of this.

Commerce and building in the FTSA is now increasing, as the incident in Portland has increased the morale of the people, particularly in the capitol city of Tampa. National guard troops are to be stationed at Tampa and are ready to protect the city at all costs. Atlanta, Miami, Mobile, and Charleston will be protected as such as well. Manufacture of aircraft, ground vehicles, sea vehicles, and particularly weapons has been cranked up as the morale of the people rises to eliminate the rebellious Texans. In addition to the encitement programs, people are considering joining the military, active or reserve service, more and more each day because of their anger.

FTSA officials are spreading the word that very few of the Texans are truly the revolutionaries, and once Texas is conquered, the non-revolutionary people will hopefully be welcomed.
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| October 7, 2010, 1:00 pm
Quoting Glenn Streeter
whos the dark apple green on the map

Shock and Awe of Bohemia.
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| October 7, 2010, 1:01 pm
Quoting Rocky W.
Shock and Awe of Bohemia.
danke

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| October 7, 2010, 1:04 pm
I love how people don't care if they get ICBMed. (I just made up a new verb). Munich's a series of 20 smoking craters, I'm missing 1/4 of my capitol, and I hit Brendan with 21 of the suckers.
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| October 7, 2010, 6:03 pm
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@Rocky: You don't own Louisiana, I do!
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| October 7, 2010, 6:06 pm
Someone mind moderating my post?
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| October 7, 2010, 6:12 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
I love how people don't care if they get ICBMed. (I just made up a new verb). Munich's a series of 20 smoking craters, I'm missing 1/4 of my capitol, and I hit Brendan with 21 of the suckers.

I'm going to have to build some now...
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| October 7, 2010, 6:31 pm
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Tom N needs to post ASAP. If not, we can pester him like I need to be pestered.
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| October 7, 2010, 6:41 pm
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Second Update for Asia

18,000 troops poured across the border early this morning, stopping clean up efforts all along the Yangzhou border. Almost immediately, forces from China were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the Indian Army. The bordering counties attempted a counter-offensive, but the large numbers of tanks and air support easily destroyed any chances of that happening.

Continued X-Bombings throughout the morning.
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| October 7, 2010, 8:20 pm
In Algeria, plans are being made to revive Carthage.
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| October 7, 2010, 8:37 pm
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The ADCC has begun a joint investment towards more advanced electronic [mostly radar] jamming systems. This program will fall under a new advancement in stealth systems meant to counter integrated [air] defense networks. Future items may be added to the general bill of investments as to create a more universal doctrine. If wanted, this investment can be forwarded into a full UFE partaking.

Also, sheathed weapon pylons are of renewed interests in France. Although somewhat a misnomer, this rather simple item is meant to be a pod in which weapons (i.e. exposed missiles) can be contained and thus reduce the detectable cross section by some measure. More or less, you stick a missile in a specialized container and call it a day. This is meant to increase the service life of airframes without internal weapon bays; and mass production should be available if all goes well.
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| October 7, 2010, 9:04 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Second Update for Asia

18,000 troops poured across the border early this morning, stopping clean up efforts all along the Yangzhou border. Almost immediately, forces from China were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the Indian Army. The bordering counties attempted a counter-offensive, but the large numbers of tanks and air support easily destroyed any chances of that happening.

Continued X-Bombings throughout the morning.

Yeah! Whoo!
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| October 7, 2010, 9:24 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Tom N needs to post ASAP. If not, we can pester him like I need to be pestered.

I begin writing my posts around 9 usually, but got home a little lat tonight, It will be up shortly.
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| October 7, 2010, 9:27 pm
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India has sent its finest pilots with its now finest aircraft into the Chinese conflict. The F-2 is undergoing its most rigorous tests: actual combat. Since it can also carry about 550kg of explosive munitions (precision guided and other), it will undertake some attack missions as well. Any problems that arise will be fixed and changes will be made.

In the Ivory Coast, the colonials there have finished their re-education and are now as loyal to India as they ever could have been to America. Let's just say India has no fear of insurgents...as shouldn't my successors... should that ever occur. Since the last of the A-2s have been taken by the carrier that departed yesterday, they are being replaced by the aging A-1. In Africa, these will still have uses for many years to come.

Additionally, guard duty has returned to the natives, and all but one battalion of Indian infantry flew back via C-222s to India this afternoon. The air force is still there in strength, as per the agreement, and the port at Abidjan is being made into a production facility and permanent home to six destroyers a cruiser, and two subs.

The port works at Port Blair in the Andamans is near completion, awaiting the final touches and installation of heavy machinery. That and the airfield there will be an allied base for the IOA, where all ships can be serviced. This, at least on India's part, will not be a production facility, simply a repair/anchorage base. However, any other IOA nation is welcome to place their facilities there.

Lastly, installation of the KIRI radar is proceeding nicely, in two places (classified, but somewhere in eastern & western India). These will detect aerial and naval attacks from more or less 1,000 km out (700km for sure).
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| October 7, 2010, 9:40 pm
In other news, the shark-eel-piranha pit has been installed in the Mongol Lair.
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| October 7, 2010, 10:10 pm
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Alaska: PCU troops made a fresh move today, and encountered little resistance while taking new ground.

Texas: continued urban fighting is in cities like Houston and Dallas, while PCU armor companies surge through the countryside, where there is little to no resistance. Urban warfare is expected for the duration of the war.

Portland: After suffering from strike-team attacks, which continued both yesterday and today, and being holed up for several days, the last remaining Texas men are starting to give out, and the Riot troops are in the process of reclaiming their city.

Prusso-Egyptian matters abroad: a completely anonymous source has started shipping supplies and materials into Prusso-Egypt.

Africa: with no major confrontations, the war has reached a stalemate, with Egyptians unwilling to either retreat back, or advance into the dangerous Congo, and African forces not mounting any attack, only moderate conflicts have broken out over the past two days, with no border change, and continuing Egyptian airspace-control.

Kuwait/Sumeria: Overnight and into the wee morning hours, European missile strikes continued to pound heavily at airfields in the Sumerian area. Many Osean-built Sumerian aircraft were once again caught on the ground, and those that managed to get into the air fled to airfileds in Egypt, pending the ultimate destruction of airfileds throughout Sumeria (former Iraq and Kuwait). French special-ops teams were also greatly successful inrecovering downed pilots from yesterdays air confrontations, and most pilots are recuperating aboard French Naval ships in the area. French Naval air power came under a great threat later in the day, as Egypt's primary, and most elite squadron, made up of stealth Osean aircraft, and one unidentifyable piece. This resulted inm dogfights over Sumeria with the French heavily-modified Rafales, which proved to be able to take on the Osean Velociraptors, although somewhat confused by the stealth, however, the unidentified aircraft remains a mystery, and was able to score several kills.

Assyria: Roman troops at this point have taken as far as Damascus, while 10 divisions of Macro war chariots moved in to secure the front lines for Prusso-Egypt. A statement made by the head of Prusso-Egypt "We are so far contempt with what the Romans have taken." has left both sides not firing against one another.

Baltic Sea The "wolf pack" of several dozen U-boats chased the fleeing Russian fleet back to their home waters, and found a surprise. A new Russian force of 2 battlecruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 cruisers, and 4 subs amassing to hit back against the Germans. Releasing a spectacular volley of their brand new super=torpedoes at the Russian fleet, and managed to sink two cruisers before breaking away and fleeing from the ASW force of 4 subs, 4 destroyers, and 4 cruisers.

Meanwhile, forces of Russian Tu-160s were sent to attack the German surface fleet and the German armor pinning down the few remaining Russian marines. These flights were intercepted out at sea by some of the most premier Luftwaffe squadrons with their best aircraft. 12 Tu-160s attacking the surface fleet were beaten off, while a smomewhat larger force, escorted by Mig-29s and Mig-31s took a little while longer to fend off, and they managed to get shots off at the German positions along the coast. 24 Russian-stolen Hyperfalcons attacked the German squadrons, and the Germans, remembering lessons learned the other day in Africa, used their own Hyperfalcons to fend off these attacks, as they and Egypt built the planes and designed them, their pilots were naturally better, and the German Hyperfalcons managed a much better kill rate than the Russian Hyperfalcons.

Meanwhile, at sea, the German surface fleet of nimble destroyers and other ships met the U-boat wolf pack, which had since lost two of its members. They mounted another attack on the Russian ASW force, and managed to sink two destroyers and two submarines while losing a cruiser and two U-boats. At this point, the U-Boat pack split up and some mebers headed north, where they circled around and attacked the lumberin Heaby cruisers, which had strayed behind the Russian ASW force. One Heavy cruiser was sunk and one wounded enogugh to run back to Russia before elements of the ASW force were diverted to the scene. These were pursued by the German fleet, and the conflict was successfully pushed far to the north and west, far from the German coast. At this point, intense battle ensued for the next few hours, in which the Russians lost a cruiser, a destroyer, and two subs, while the Germans lost two destroyers and three more subs. With their attack force effectively disabled, the Russians turned back to Russia to regroup, and the Germans met up with elements of the coastal defense navy to beat back a Russian attempt to land 5000 more marines to the German coast.

The Russians have lost control of the waters off of Germany, and now, the surrounded and outgunned Russian marines, now numbering less than 1,000, are without hope against a furious German counterattack.

Kaliningrad: German Panzer divisions blitzkrieged the attacking Russians, and a large tank battle ensued, which should take well a few days to play out. The Panzers and T-101 seem relatively evenly matched, and ICBM strikes against enemy armor called by both sides are also contributing to the fight.
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| October 7, 2010, 10:21 pm
Our base in San Andres was lamentably assaulted by Costa Rican forces, casualties include various C-35s stationed there, as well as an MTH-02. Counter measures have been taken, several succesful air raids have been conducted by our fighters, these were able to claim an airbase as well as several missile boats. Currently a military convoy is making it's way there through Panama, it is estimated to arrive in about 3 or 4 days.

Construction on the ARC "Bolivar" has been temporarily halted due to the unstable situation we are currently in.
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| October 7, 2010, 10:25 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Kaliningrad: German Panzer divisions blitzkrieged the attacking Russians, and a large tank battle ensued, which should take well a few days to play out. The Panzers and T-101 seem relatively evenly matched, and ICBM strikes against enemy armor called by both sides are also contributing to the fight.

John's Russians?
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| October 7, 2010, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
John's Russians?

Both, I putting your forces right in there with John.
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| October 7, 2010, 10:29 pm
*too many Johns in this group*
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| October 7, 2010, 10:31 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Both, I putting your forces right in there with John.

Oh...
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| October 7, 2010, 10:49 pm
I simply don't understand how people keep getting their hands on Hyperfalcons...

But anyway, once again...

VICTORY belongs to GERMANYYYYY!!!
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| October 7, 2010, 10:51 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
*too many Johns in this group*

Yep
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| October 7, 2010, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I simply don't understand how people keep getting their hands on Hyperfalcons...


I hope John doesnt kill me for this, but remember way back when, there were those raids for the hyperfalcon plans, and all the blown up buildings following them... Yeah. Thats how John got the complete plans. As for Avalela I would assume he got them from Dawn but truthfully I dont know.
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| October 7, 2010, 10:53 pm
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Quoting Thomas N Russian-stolen Hyperfalcons

We only stole the plans, we built them ourselves and have been training for over a month.
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| October 7, 2010, 10:55 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I simply don't understand how people keep getting their hands on Hyperfalcons...

But anyway, once again...

VICTORY belongs to GERMANYYYYY!!!

I paid good money for the blueprints/design/production license.
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| October 7, 2010, 10:59 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I hope John doesnt kill me for this, but remember way back when, there were those raids for the hyperfalcon plans, and all the blown up buildings following them... Yeah. Thats how John got the complete plans. As for *Jake* I would assume he got them from Dawn but truthfully I dont know.

I figured out John stole them two or three weeks ago and offered to buy the plans.
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| October 7, 2010, 11:01 pm
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All is fresh in Syria. With Damascus secured, I've gained my historical territory there. Success.
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| October 7, 2010, 11:04 pm
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Well, the Hyper Falcon is no longer special.
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| October 7, 2010, 11:05 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Well, the Hyper Falcon is no longer special.

Only three people use them. A perfect number.
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| October 7, 2010, 11:06 pm
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In continuation of my post a few days ago, I will re-institute my prescence in Texas, as it was before. I'll send my plans to the CM. Although this is somewhat hopeless, I'm bound by an agreement made months ago, and I intend to uphold it. This has relatively little importance to everyone, but I might as well throw it out there...


Anyway, Ultramarine, I'd like to offer a small ammount of UAH-1 Myotis attack drones to be used in China. Also, if you don't mind, it might be usefull for me to get some on-combat bombing training and the like, so if you're at all interested in a little air support, please shoot me a Flickr mail.
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| October 8, 2010, 12:23 am
Quoting Jake H.
I figured out John stole them two or three weeks ago and offered to buy the plans.

I also stole a few plans as well. I' m currently using them for testing purposes. Also, what shall become of the Egytian troops Cliffe abandoned in my cities?
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| October 8, 2010, 3:45 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
I also stole a few plans as well. I' m currently using them for testing purposes. Also, what shall become of the Egytian troops Cliffe abandoned in my cities?

No Egyptian troops are in your cities.

As I hope to have clearly stated, after his unproductive two-day assault into the Congo, he pulled out his forces and established a strong front line outside of the Jungle, where his men can effectively hold the line.
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| October 8, 2010, 3:55 pm
Awe has his huge arty tank but no tank destroyer that is i where project 10 comes in <_>
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| October 8, 2010, 4:02 pm
Quoting Thomas N
No Egyptian troops are in your cities.

As I hope to have clearly stated, after his unproductive two-day assault into the Congo, he pulled out his forces and established a strong front line outside of the Jungle, where his men can effectively hold the line.

Umm, when he invaded he barely was able to occupy several of my cities, then he retreated leaving his troops still surrounded. I then sent my air cav in to capture his troops. Also, the cities he was able to capture were in my desert regions, not the jungle.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:04 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
No Egyptian troops are in your cities.

As I hope to have clearly stated, after his unproductive two-day assault into the Congo, he pulled out his forces and established a strong front line outside of the Jungle, where his men can effectively hold the line.


Actually, there is no way that they could have escaped. In one of Evans combat reports, as per Cliffes orders, his troops invaded cities, but were immediately surrounded and trapped by USCA heliborne troops. Just because Cliffe told the forces nearby to retreat doesn't mean that they could.

For the sake of continuity with previous battles, please undo what you just said.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:05 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Umm, when he invaded he barely was able to occupy several of my cities, then he retreated leaving his troops still surrounded. I then sent my air cav in to capture his troops. Also, the cities he was able to capture were in my desert regions, not the jungle.

I haven't recieved any reports on that topic from you (I haven't recieved any reoports from you at all actually) So I would assume that they are still there, as this is the first I am hearing of any Prusso-Egyptian troops being captured.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:12 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Actually, there is no way that they could have escaped. In one of Evans combat reports, as per Cliffes orders, his troops invaded cities, but were immediately surrounded and trapped by USCA heliborne troops. Just because Cliffe told the forces nearby to retreat doesn't mean that they could.

For the sake of continuity with previous battles, please undo what you just said.

Again, first I've heard of this development, and I've received nothing regarding it.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:13 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I haven't recieved any reports on that topic from you (I haven't recieved any reoports from you at all actually) So I would assume that they are still there, as this is the first I am hearing of any Prusso-Egyptian troops being captured.

I'll make this one public:
25 Finish made MA1 Wolf Tanks are begining to circle the occupied cities. USCA Helicopter-Bourne infantry are preparing to insert into and capture the cities, while negotiators attempt to route the Egyptians peacefully.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:15 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Again, first I've heard of this development, and I've received nothing regarding it.


Of course no one SENT it, it was in a Combat Report written by Evan.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:15 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Of course no one SENT it, it was in a Combat Report written by Evan.

I realize no one sent it, but I have not heard about it before, I do not remember reading that statement in any of Evan's reports, and apologize that I was not aware of the subject earlier.

I'm not looking for a fight here: "I was wrong, you were right, thank you, oh kind sir, for correcting me".
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| October 8, 2010, 4:17 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
I'll make this one public:
25 Finish made MA1 Wolf Tanks are begining to circle the occupied cities. USCA Helicopter-Bourne infantry are preparing to insert into and capture the cities, while negotiators attempt to route the Egyptians peacefully.

Very well and good, that shall be included in the next combat moderation.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:18 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I realize no one sent it, but I have not heard about it before, I do not remember reading that statement in any of Evan's reports, and apologize that I was not aware of the subject earlier.

I'm not looking for a fight here: "I was wrong, you were right, thank you, oh kind sir, for correcting me".

Rather cantankerous, aren't they?

In your defense, I was watching those CM's pretty closely to see what I should do and even I don't remember them.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:21 pm
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I'm leaving for a party (in the real world) at 7:00 central time!

That means I need all of today's combat reports by 6:00 central (7:00 MOCpages time), so I can have an hour to structure the report.

Again, I need all combat reports to be sent between now, and 7:00 MOCpages time. If I do not have enough reports for a decent CM, I will psotpone.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:38 pm
New Stug XII tank killer coming out this weekend or next week.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:47 pm
The NAF unveils the F-1, the climax of modern tech added together to make a powerful predator. Check it out.

Factories throughout the States are working on building a large force of them.
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| October 8, 2010, 4:48 pm
combat report: nothing really yet ww4 brewing but thats it troopers on standby
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| October 8, 2010, 4:52 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
But tanks double as tank destroyers. You're basically wasting your resources.

mhm
but tank destroyers destroy tanks and are cheaper.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:03 pm
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50 more HAT-1s have been ordered, and they will be fitted with a foot and a half of graphene armor. Details soon.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:10 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
But tanks can easily destroy tank destroyers.

0_o
a tank destroyer destroyed by a tank?
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| October 8, 2010, 5:17 pm
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Production of Psygeío helicopter has begun. We should have the first batch of a dozen within the week. Also, because it was never made official, the Psaraetós attack plane has been in production for some time.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:18 pm
The production of hyper falcons is going to be tripled.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:22 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
But tanks double as tank destroyers. You're basically wasting your resources.

It's not that bad it's going to be over a hundred a year and only deployed to where it's needed the most
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| October 8, 2010, 5:28 pm
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Quoting Glenn Streeter
It's not that bad it's going to be over a hundred a year and only deployed to where it's needed the most

Tank Destroyers are out of date though. Just build a regular tank.

Though I don't control you, if you do make a TD, make it better than Ham's.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:29 pm
Quoting Jake H.
0_o
a tank destroyer destroyed by a tank?

That's irony for you eh ?
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| October 8, 2010, 5:30 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Tank Destroyers are out of date though. Just build a regular tank.

Though I don't control you, if you do make a TD, make it better than Ham's.
I'm counting on it it's armour's going to very thick indeed

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| October 8, 2010, 5:31 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Tank Destroyers are out of date though. Just build a regular tank.

Though I don't control you, if you do make a TD, make it better than Ham's.

TANKs are out of date.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:36 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
TANKs are out of date.


The HAT-1's effectiveness begs to differ.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:41 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
TANKs are out of date.

Elaborate.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:41 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Elaborate.

The range/power/accuracy of modern weapons makes them ineffective, or something like that, Areetsa and I had a nice little chat about it, so just ask him.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:48 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
The range/power/accuracy of modern weapons makes them ineffective, or something like that, Areetsa and I had a nice little chat about it, so just ask him.

On the contrary, even if the form/vessel of the tank alters with the times, the role is still there. Tanks are meant to mobilize along with infantry as to effectively engage heavier targets while still being able to engage lighter targets with the supportive infantry. Not every enemy force is going to have the necessary equipment to flip the tables. So it isn't just the tank itself being tossed into combat, but rather a cohesive set of units. Yes munitions have come a long way, but the sheer fact of the matter is that there is nothing like a nice hunk of materials sitting behind you with a large calibre gun. Plus, APS and SDS have pretty much negated some of the argued effects. Anyhow, you guys are free to keep your philosophy and I'll keep mine.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:54 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The HAT-1's effectiveness begs to differ.

the HAT-1's just plain awesome. Everyone knows that.
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| October 8, 2010, 5:58 pm
Ok I think it should be a heavy tank
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| October 8, 2010, 7:48 pm
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Alaska: PCU troops erecting positions to protect investments.

Texas: Urban combat is all that remains, Forces out of the north and out of the east converged in central Texas earlier today, effectively ending the open-spaces war. Now, the PCU moves numerous troops to the surrounded cities, where heavy fighting is expected to ensue for a while until full control of these cities is secured.

Portland: The Texans, still without supplies after several days, finally cracked. Renewed offensives by PCU special ops troops found the few Texans still hiding out weak, and less effective at fighting. After several hours of room-by-room fighting, the day culminated with the PU disarming a bomb that threatened to blow up the Capitol, and the final eradication of the texans in the PCU's capital. The PCU will spend a few days restoring order and repairing damages in the area before citizens trickle back in.


Africa: Numerous Egyptian gunships attacked the cities and towns where Egyptian troops were holed up and surrounded. The African-air cavalry was quite surprised by this, and attempted to fight back, but, outnumbered and outgunned, they were forced to fall back, lest they be utterly destroyed. African fighters, of NAF-1 and F2 designations, out of both the USCA and CSA then arrived on the scene, hoping to drive back the Egyptian air power, however, they were met bu Hyperfalcons, and, outgunned and underpowered, they lost many of their number to the Egyptian planes. Meanwhile, some gunships were hit, but the the enkranoplane force picked up. Transport and attack enkranoplanes landed, discharging marines, who assaulted the land forces in the towns, and liberated the Egyptian troops on hold there. The USCA tanks, already on call to try and attack the Egyptian in the town, faced a new threat, the Egyptian gunships. Gunships outnumbered the 25 USCA tanks, and while many tanks were initially able to get shots off at both Egyptian Marines and Egyptian soldiers, they were severley hit by the gunships, and soon, most were dispatched.

numbers for this battle:

dogfights:
Egyptians:
23 Hyperfalcons lost (higher kill ratio, but still lost many)
USCA:
27 F-2s lost (not very effective plane)
CSA:
9 NAF-1s lost (they bravely stayed in until the end.)

ground attacks:
Egyptians:
16 gunships lost
12 Enkranoplanes lost
USCA:
most of air cavalry lost or driven off.
21 MA1 tanks lost to gunships.

Egyptian soldiers in cities:
~1,500 rescued
~2,500 lost over several days.

Elsewhere in Africa, AA and SAM sites along the Algerian lines were assaulted today by unmanned Hyperfalcons. The Egyptians, although lost many planes, were able to disable many more AA and SAM sites, paving the way for plans later in the day.
Egyptian fighters cruised into Algerian airspace and began dogfighting any Algerian fighters up there. Then, Egyptian bombers flew in and carpet bombed Algerian airfields and military/manufacturing centers, with special emphasis on airfields. Almost half of Algeria's air power was destroyed in this massive mission, most on the ground, but some in the air.

numbers:

Egyptians:
59 unmanned hyperfalcons
31 Hyperfalcons, manned
16 bombers
Algeria: unknown number of airplanes destroyed both on ground and in air, air force crippled however, as this was the objective of the attack.

Germany: The Germans continue to clean up the remaining Russian marines, and after reinforcements failed to arrive yesterday due to German control of the waters, the Russian marines are surrounded and without hope. German attacks in the form of stealth bombing runs, artillery barrages, naval bombardments, and pushes by their own ground troops, continue to wreak havoc on the remaining Russian marines, whose numbers are quite dwindling.

Russian (both I.R.A. and Finn) troops are pounding towards Kaliningrad, the fightin is widespread on the plains surrounding the city, with the evenly match Russian T-101s and German Panzers duking it out for control of the countryside leading up to Kaliningrad. The Russians will soon have an advantage in numbers, as a large force of a couple thousand tanks from Finn are on the move towards the battle grounds.

Kuwait: Displaced and drasticly reduced Sumerian air power continues to battle alongside the Egyptians and against European air power in the skies over Sumeria, missile attack continue throughout the night, and although now somewhat hampered by hastily erected laser-missile-defenses, they still manage to pound at the militarily capability of the region.


'Tis all for now, I leave for my party in only a few minutes, and I thank those of you who gave me CRs on time. As for the rest of you, there is always tomorrow, and don't try to say I didn't warn you about the early Combat Moderation time. I gave fair warning.
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| October 8, 2010, 7:52 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Kursk 2.0.


Which is exactly what is developing in the Kaliningrad area right now! what a coincidence...
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| October 8, 2010, 7:54 pm
From what I've seen is that Tom thinks that anything owned by Africa is total trash and is destroyed easily. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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| October 8, 2010, 8:40 pm
Mass training of Pilots has begun, hopefully so they aren't easily killed by Egypt... /looks at Tom
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| October 8, 2010, 8:43 pm
Can someone tell me how cliffe took out 400+ SAM sites?
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| October 8, 2010, 8:51 pm
Quoting Thomas N


I hope you realize that every square inch of my borders are covered by heavily fortified SAM sites. Not to mention the 300+ SAM troops I have stationed in East Nigeria and Algeria.
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| October 8, 2010, 8:54 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
From what I've seen is that Tom thinks that anything owned by Africa is total trash and is destroyed easily. Tell me if I'm wrong.

You're right.
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| October 8, 2010, 8:54 pm
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Well, since there was nothing about it in the CR, I assume Damascus is secured. Excellent...
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| October 8, 2010, 8:56 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Egyptian fighters cruised into Algerian airspace and began dogfighting any Algerian fighters up there. Then, Egyptian bombers flew in and carpet bombed Algerian airfields and military/manufacturing centers, with special emphasis on airfields. Almost half of Algeria's air power was destroyed in this massive mission, most on the ground, but some in the air.


I gave orders for my fighters to be put on stand by last night.
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| October 8, 2010, 9:11 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I am extremely ... /takes deep breath/ peeved about tonight's report. could someone either tell me what I should do about it, argue against me, or agree with me?
I'm seriously upset and I need to vent my rage
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| October 8, 2010, 9:14 pm
Quoting -> avalella
I also stole a few plans as well.

I know, but you only have half.
Want the other half?
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| October 8, 2010, 9:19 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
The range/power/accuracy of modern weapons makes them ineffective, or something like that, Areetsa and I had a nice little chat about it, so just ask him.

When was that? Because I love tanks. I also love artillery and other heavy weapons, but you already know that.
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| October 8, 2010, 9:53 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I am extremely ... /takes deep breath/ peeved about tonight's report. could someone either tell me what I should do about it, argue against me, or agree with me?
I'm seriously upset and I need to vent my rage


I don't know. If Tom made an honest mistake regarding plans, as I often do, I find a way to correct it in the next report. If he made no mistakes... Well, ask Will Gober or something. Someone who is good at calling out bias.

Oh snap.
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| October 8, 2010, 10:17 pm
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I don't know about everyone else, but those Africans seem whiney. 70 planes shot down, roughly, sounds like a good day for the AA. And for quality, were those tiny death traps up in the air? Because no one can take those seriously. The most they could do is ram into another craft midair.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:00 pm
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Nick just brought up a good point to me in Gmail. Tom N is being the combat mod for practically the whole world, maybe he's leaving things out because there's simply too much information to process.

Should we divide the wars by hemisphere or region again, and get a mod #2?
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| October 8, 2010, 11:23 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Evan Melick
Kursk 2.0.


Which is exactly what is developing in the Kaliningrad area right now! what a coincidence...

It's KOENIGSBERG, THE CAPITAL OF EAST PRUSSIA!!! Call it Kaliningrad again AND I WILL KlLL YOU! I want the name Kaliningrad wiped from the history books...
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| October 8, 2010, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Nick just brought up a good point to me in Gmail.


:D

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| October 8, 2010, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
But tanks double as tank destroyers. You're basically wasting your resources.

No, now hold it. Is an anti-tank rocket cheaper or more expensive than a tank? Put that in an infantry man's hands and you have a tank destroyer. However, most of your IFVs are tank destroyers as well for a fraction of the cost.

Quoting Evan Melick
The definition of a tank destroyer is sort of like the land version of the battlecruiser concept. It relies on speed and agility, rather then armor for it's defense. It usually doesn't have a turret, to reduce weight. On paper, it's a fantastic idea, but in practice, unless the circumstances are perfectly set up, the limits of the design make the vehicle rather ineffective. It took the Allies until the end of World War II, with the advent of the M26 Pershing to realize what the Germans had in in 1939. Tanks tend to be really good at killing other tanks. The tank destroyer concept died (unless applied to a variant chassis such as the Stryker, Rooikat, or any of the other modern day recon vehicles), just as the concept of the battlecruiser did. It just didn't work in practice on a large scale. The only reason "tank destroyers" still exist today is in the recon vehicle form, as I stated. They are fast, and able to hit back if needed, but no one plans on throwing them into Kursk 2.0.

Also. Your plan to build a tank destroyer, then add "extra armor" or something...

You do realize you just created a tank right?

Really? Huh. Here: http://www.military-today.com/artillery/amx_10_rc.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/scheda66.jpg
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| October 8, 2010, 11:27 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
It's KOENIGSBERG, THE CAPITAL OF EAST PRUSSIA!!! Call it Kaliningrad again AND I WILL KlLL YOU! I want the name Kaliningrad wiped from the history books...

That name, Kaliningrad, is Russian
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| October 8, 2010, 11:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
No, now hold it. Is an anti-tank rocket cheaper or more expensive than a tank? Put that in an infantry man's hands and you have a tank destroyer. However, most of your IFVs are tank destroyers as well for a fraction of the cost.

Quoting Evan Melick
The definition of a tank destroyer is sort of like the land version of the battlecruiser concept. It relies on speed and agility, rather then armor for it's defense. It usually doesn't have a turret, to reduce weight. On paper, it's a fantastic idea, but in practice, unless the circumstances are perfectly set up, the limits of the design make the vehicle rather ineffective. It took the Allies until the end of World War II, with the advent of the M26 Pershing to realize what the Germans had in in 1939. Tanks tend to be really good at killing other tanks. The tank destroyer concept died (unless applied to a variant chassis such as the Stryker, Rooikat, or any of the other modern day recon vehicles), just as the concept of the battlecruiser did. It just didn't work in practice on a large scale. The only reason "tank destroyers" still exist today is in the recon vehicle form, as I stated. They are fast, and able to hit back if needed, but no one plans on throwing them into Kursk 2.0.

Also. Your plan to build a tank destroyer, then add "extra armor" or something...

You do realize you just created a tank right?

Really? Huh. Here: http://www.military-today.com/artillery/amx_10_rc.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/scheda66.jpg

If I find two more wheels I'm definitely going to build that.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:29 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I don't know about everyone else, but those Africans seem whiney. 70 planes shot down, roughly, sounds like a good day for the AA. And for quality, were those tiny death traps up in the air? Because no one can take those seriously. The most they could do is ram into another craft midair.

Not when half your (slightly exaggerated) army is made up of AA and you took many steps to prevent what just happened.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:30 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I am extremely ... /takes deep breath/ peeved about tonight's report. could someone either tell me what I should do about it, argue against me, or agree with me?
I'm seriously upset and I need to vent my rage

I know EXACTLY what you should do.

Build a dedicated air superiority fighter. One that isn't a big lumbering un-maneuverable mess like your flying wing. Like, a small, one-seat dogfighter like my glorious Hyperfalcon.

You've been desperately needing to do that for, like, forever.

And don't feel too bad, bro! I'm kind of disturbed at just how many Autofalcons you managed to shoot down... 59. That's... pretty spectacular. You really are this group's specialist in AA.

A salute to you as a worthy and honorable opponent.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:31 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Nick just brought up a good point to me in Gmail. Tom N is being the combat mod for practically the whole world, maybe he's leaving things out because there's simply too much information to process.

Should we divide the wars by hemisphere or region again, and get a mod #2?

Probably a good idea, he had a party today so he could of rushed it.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:32 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
That name, Kaliningrad, is Russian


Konigsberg is the original German name. To pay back for what the Germans did to Russia, the Russians took East Prussia (ethnically German), and replaced the Germans with Russians.

Or something like that.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:32 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I know EXACTLY what you should do.

Build a dedicated air superiority fighter. One that isn't a big lumbering un-maneuverable mess like your flying wing. Like, a small, one-seat dogfighter like my glorious Hyperfalcon.

You've been desperately needing to do that for, like, forever.

And don't feel to bad, bro! I'm kind of disturbed at just how many Autofalcons you managed to shoot down... 59. That's... pretty spectacular. You really are this group's specialist in AA.

A salute to you as a worthy and honorable opponent.

But I have the hyper falcon as a dedicated air superiority fighter.
I'm not as rage/quite upset anymore, (playing an hour of FPS shooters helped with that) but I'm still upset because I took steps to prevent mass-bombing a while ago.
And 60O SAMs on my eastern border alone, and 59 hyper falcons managed to punch a hole threw my border defenses?
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| October 8, 2010, 11:34 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Konigsberg is the original German name. To pay back for what the Germans did to Russia, the Russians took East Prussia (ethnically German), and replaced the Germans with Russians.

Or something like that.

ABSOLUTELY... UN... FORGIVABLE...

>8(
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| October 8, 2010, 11:34 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
ABSOLUTELY... UN... FORGIVABLE...

>8(


One could also argue what Germany did to Eastern Europe as a whole was unforgivable.

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| October 8, 2010, 11:35 pm
Quoting Jake H.
But I have the hyper falcon as a dedicated air superiority fighter.
I'm not as rage/quite upset anymore, (playing an hour of FPS shooters helped with that) but I'm still upset because I took steps to prevent mass-bombing a while ago.

The Hyperfalcon doesn't really count because that's MY air superiority fighter, you stole it! I'm sure with how awesome your MOCs are, you could build a totally awesome fighter.

And what things did you do to prevent a mass bombing? I would want to have that included in combat reports. I really want to play fair. Especially with a cool d00d like you.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:36 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
ABSOLUTELY... UN... FORGIVABLE...

>8(


Exactly. Only several Russians are cool. Heavy Weapons Guy(SANDVICH), Eduard Khil, and the guys who make vodka.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:37 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Hyperfalcon doesn't really count because that's MY air superiority fighter, you stole it! I'm sure with how awesome your MOCs are, you could build a totally awesome fighter.

All mine ended up looking like spaceships...
I'll try again though.
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
And what things did you do to prevent a mass bombing? I would want to have that included in combat reports. I really want to play fair. Especially with a cool d00d like you.

I built fortified (ya know concrete forts etc.) SAM sites along my borders at overlapping intervals. Then I stationed all of my SAM (so about 400) vehicles on my eastern borders.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:39 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

One could also argue what Germany did to Eastern Europe as a whole was unforgivable.

Blame Hitler, not Germany. My Germany belongs to ze Kaiser.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:39 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Blame Hitler, not Germany. My Germany belongs to ze Kaiser.

I blame socialism
>_>
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| October 8, 2010, 11:40 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Blame Hitler, not Germany. My Germany belongs to ze Kaiser.


I'm just saying, Russia taking Konigsberg seems like a fair pay-off for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, Hitler had his troops kill in Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, not to mention poor little Poland and Russia itself.

WWI and WWII (really the same war) should have never have happened, but without them, we wouldn't be where we are today.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:42 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm just saying, Russia taking Konigsberg seems like a fair pay-off for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, Hitler had his troops kill in Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, not to mention poor little Poland and Russia itself.

WWI and WWII (really the same war) should have never have happened, but without them, we wouldn't be where we are today.

I'm pretty sure it was millions. I remember my history teacher saying something about how the Germans had thought they'd wiped out the multi-million Russian army when two more popped up.

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| October 8, 2010, 11:45 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I know, but you only have half.
Want the other half?

he has all of it.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:46 pm
Quoting John Dawn
he has all of it.

oh...
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| October 8, 2010, 11:48 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I blame socialism
>_>

HEY! I'M A SOCIALIST! >:(
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| October 8, 2010, 11:57 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
HEY! I'M A SOCIALIST! >:(

oops...
although Hitler was part of the German socialist party.
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| October 8, 2010, 11:59 pm
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I'm tempted to throw my support back in on the African side. I was very successful the first time around. Hek, I wiped out a whole bunch of infantry and armor with just two x-bombs, imagine the fury of an all-out air campaign...
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| October 9, 2010, 12:00 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
HEY! I'M A SOCIALIST! >:(

Don't worry, I hear you grow out of it.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:02 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I know EXACTLY what you should do.

Build a dedicated air superiority fighter. One that isn't a big lumbering un-maneuverable mess like your flying wing. Like, a small, one-seat dogfighter like my glorious Hyperfalcon.


I am shocked to hear this from you, after all, he used real imagination to say that the wing was manouverable, just like your imagination produced the hyperfalcon.

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| October 9, 2010, 12:04 am
Quoting Matt Hacker

I am shocked to hear this from you, after all, he used real imagination to say that the wing was manouverable, just like your imagination produced the hyperfalcon.

I never said it was maneuverable. I said it could be used as a missile platform.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:06 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Learn your history please.

I don't want to rant. The National Socialist German Workers Party was NOT a socialist political philosophy. Their opinion on economics had welfare in it (and honestly, it's an intriguing idea that should be analyzed in a less insane environment, in my opinion), but calling them socialists is a gross denial of facts. One of the main reasons said Party came to power was hatred of socialism.

Pretty much all of my historic knowledge comes from my 6th grade history teacher. Who was very good.
Anyways, I was being mildly sarcastic. If you'd gone to the school I went to last year you would of understood.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:08 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Kay.

I probably shouldn't of said anything. I often forget I'm no longer in a far right environment where my sarcasm just goes right over everyone's heads.
My old school was almost entirely IPC which pretty much means everyone was either right wing, or secretly left wing. Sometimes it was a little annoying (especially when my fifth grade teacher tried to force her anti-catholic views on us, we were even chanting during one class period. It was really kind of creepy.) but all of my sixth grade teachers kept their opinions to themselves, and didn't criticize other's political or religious opinions.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:21 am
Quoting Matt Hacker

I am shocked to hear this from you, after all, he used real imagination to say that the wing was manouverable, just like your imagination produced the hyperfalcon.

I... don't get your point. At all.

Besides, I actually think I need to take another look at that flying wing, I believe I may be wrong about it... no, actually, I'm sure about it. I kind of forgot the fact that even without any kind of thrust vectoring or anything, flying wings are very maneuverable because they have a lot of room for control surfaces.

See, I can admit I'm wrong on my own, too.

Still, it looks like it has a lot of drag compared to my flying wing, and a lightweight, small, one-seat dogfighter is still highly necessary in most air forces- they're cheaper, usually, and thus easier to produce in higher numbers, and also often still of high quality, especially in maneuverability, which is their expertise. Best examples, of course, are the F-16 and my beloved Hyperfalcon.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:33 am
Quoting Jake H.
I never said it was maneuverable. I said it could be used as a missile platform.

What kind of purpose is that? To just shoot missiles at things from long range? You're thinking like air combat strategists did in the 60's :-P

Like I've been saying, dogfighters are necessary. Oh, and another good example would be Jack Ford's MiG-67. Good plane.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:37 am
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Quoting Jake H.
I probably shouldn't of said anything. I often forget I'm no longer in a far right environment where my sarcasm just goes right over everyone's heads.
My old school was almost entirely IPC which pretty much means everyone was either right wing, or secretly left wing. Sometimes it was a little annoying (especially when my fifth grade teacher tried to force her anti-catholic views on us, we were even chanting during one class period. It was really kind of creepy.) but all of my sixth grade teachers kept their opinions to themselves, and didn't criticize other's political or religious opinions.

Don't worry, not everyone here is a leftist...

<.<
>.>
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| October 9, 2010, 12:45 am
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The IOA anchorage and air base at Port Blair was finished today, thanks to the late-term investment of Malaysia. It will be a garrison for a permanent fleet and air force.

Development of a long-range artillery guns has begun to help with logistical fire support.

Production of the F-2 (AKA 'Raytage') continues. Battle report from pilots of these planes are helping fine tune the development. F-3 'Serpents' are beginning to come off as well, powerful machines that they are, should provide an excellent all-weather aerial interdiction/interceptor. The longer range is preferable, though the F-1 will continue to serve as the primary naval fighter, and all-around air force fighter for several years yet to come.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:55 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
the F-16


I have about 600 of those.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Don't worry, not everyone here is a leftist...

<.<
>.>


I'm a Caupoist. That means while left and right fight at a convention, I steal their buffet and ride off on an elephant.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:59 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I'm a Caupoist. That means while left and right fight at a convention, I steal their buffet and ride off on an elephant.

Here I'm just a lowly, shunned, constitutionalist...

And a free enterpriser, just for good measure.
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| October 9, 2010, 1:07 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I know EXACTLY what you should do.

Build a dedicated air superiority fighter. One that isn't a big lumbering un-maneuverable mess like your flying wing. Like, a small, one-seat dogfighter like my glorious Hyperfalcon.

You've been desperately needing to do that for, like, forever.

And don't feel too bad, bro! I'm kind of disturbed at just how many Autofalcons you managed to shoot down... 59. That's... pretty spectacular. You really are this group's specialist in AA.

A salute to you as a worthy and honorable opponent.

I made a fighter... Whatcha think of it?
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| October 9, 2010, 7:16 am
The stug XII tank destroyer update: Cab 89% done
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| October 9, 2010, 7:23 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
What kind of purpose is that? To just shoot missiles at things from long range? You're thinking like air combat strategists did in the 60's :-P

Like I've been saying, dogfighters are necessary. Oh, and another good example would be Jack Ford's MiG-67. Good plane.

The new B2 Lancer is going to have a similar purpose. It can carry 32 long range missiles, so it will be used to back up fighter squadrons.

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| October 9, 2010, 9:09 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I... don't get your point. At all.

Besides, I actually think I need to take another look at that flying wing, I believe I may be wrong about it... no, actually, I'm sure about it. I kind of forgot the fact that even without any kind of thrust vectoring or anything, flying wings are very maneuverable because they have a lot of room for control surfaces.

See, I can admit I'm wrong on my own, too.

Still, it looks like it has a lot of drag compared to my flying wing, and a lightweight, small, one-seat dogfighter is still highly necessary in most air forces- they're cheaper, usually, and thus easier to produce in higher numbers, and also often still of high quality, especially in maneuverability, which is their expertise. Best examples, of course, are the F-16 and my beloved Hyperfalcon.

eh I messed up on the cockpit. In my mind it looked better.
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| October 9, 2010, 9:12 am
stug XII updates: cab 95% done with the hatch and the navigators blast shield coming along nicely
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| October 9, 2010, 9:31 am
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And it's on this day Ham realizes he's probably the only moderate in the group.
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| October 9, 2010, 10:00 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
And it's on this day Ham realizes he's probably the only moderate in the group.
ham how big is your tank destroyer ?

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| October 9, 2010, 10:01 am
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Quoting Glenn Streeter
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
And it's on this day Ham realizes he's probably the only moderate in the group.
ham how big is your tank destroyer ?


I don't even use it, but I'd estimate about maybe 15 studs long, give or take a few.
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| October 9, 2010, 10:24 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
HEY! I'M A SOCIALIST! >:(

If you think about it, socialism is actually good, same with proper communism that doesn't change from it's original idea.

Churchill had it out, with his: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
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| October 9, 2010, 10:25 am
Quoting Finn C-Q
If you think about it, socialism is actually good, same with proper communism that doesn't change from it's original idea.

Churchill had it out, with his: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Let's not start an argument.

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| October 9, 2010, 10:30 am
Quoting Jake H.
Let's not start an argument.

I wasn't trying to.
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| October 9, 2010, 10:34 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I don't even use it, but I'd estimate about maybe 15 studs long, give or take a few.
at the moment my cab at this time is 11 studs long and 8 studs wide

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| October 9, 2010, 10:49 am
Quoting Finn C-Q
I wasn't trying to.

I know, but people tend to be very defensive of their political views.
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| October 9, 2010, 11:15 am
Quoting Jake H.
I know, but people tend to be very defensive of their political views.
hey jake would you like to have one of the tank destroyers being built you can have one of these names

Zephyr
or
Fox

i would like 1 milion in money if so

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| October 9, 2010, 11:22 am
Quoting Glenn Streeter
Quoting Jake H.
I know, but people tend to be very defensive of their political views.
hey jake would you like to have one of the tank destroyers being built you can have one of these names

Zephyr
or
Fox

i would like 1 milion in money if so

No thanks, I'd like to wait, and see what it looks like. I have my own (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/4923386521/in/pool-1508583@N21) but I am interested.

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| October 9, 2010, 11:33 am
Stug XII updates: cab 98% done just the hatch to do
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| October 9, 2010, 12:05 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I made a fighter... Whatcha think of it?

Really a bit too small... those engines look like they could barely lift it into the air. Also, very fragile and unstable. Strong winds could be a problem for it.

I say just dream big. Literally :D

But it's a wonderful start! Very creative tail fins, and good shaping. Also good missiles, and I was surprised at how well you fit the minigun in there. Keep those things around for when you make your next fighter.

Never give up, yo- it took me probably three years to make the Hyperfalcon a reality.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:06 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Really a bit too small... those engines look like they could barely lift it into the air. Also, very fragile and unstable. Strong winds could be a problem for it.

I say just dream big. Literally :D

But it's a wonderful start! Very creative tail fins, and good shaping. Also good missiles, and I was surprised at how well you fit the minigun in there. Keep those things around for when you make your next fighter.

Never give up, yo- it took me probably three years to make the Hyperfalcon a reality.
hello cliffe what do you think of my toop carrier also ive just finished the cab on the the Stug XII

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| October 9, 2010, 12:14 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I don't mean to be rude, but the ICF isn't a place to advertise every time you add a brick to a MOC. Also, if you'd like to ask someone to view something or for advice, do it over FM.
also evan can you make me a flag please il build you a moc or give you 10 new tank destroyers when there built

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| October 9, 2010, 12:26 pm
All this talk of fighters makes me want to build one. Too bad my country could never effectively produce them....
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| October 9, 2010, 12:28 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
All this talk of fighters makes me want to build one. Too bad my country could never effectively produce them....
ah just buy one then strip it down to see how it works then build your own simple

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| October 9, 2010, 12:30 pm
Quoting Glenn Streeter
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Really a bit too small... those engines look like they could barely lift it into the air. Also, very fragile and unstable. Strong winds could be a problem for it.

I say just dream big. Literally :D

But it's a wonderful start! Very creative tail fins, and good shaping. Also good missiles, and I was surprised at how well you fit the minigun in there. Keep those things around for when you make your next fighter.

Never give up, yo- it took me probably three years to make the Hyperfalcon a reality.
hello cliffe what do you think of my toop carrier also ive just finished the cab on the the Stug XII

It's a nice little buggy, but only really good for hauling things within your own lines- not an ideal combat troop carrier. Someone could just toss a grenade in and it's all over. I recommend you build yourself a dedicated Infantry Fighting Vehicle.
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| October 9, 2010, 12:33 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I recommend you build yourself a dedicated Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

Or just buy some air drop-able ones from Algeria.
:D
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| October 9, 2010, 12:45 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Or just buy some air drop-able ones from Algeria.
:D
ok how much il meet you in the trading topic

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| October 9, 2010, 1:01 pm
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| October 9, 2010, 4:12 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
This is the ICF, take your financial business to the trading forum. Or I'll delete your posts.
Ok doing so

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| October 9, 2010, 4:14 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Africa: Numerous Egyptian gunships attacked the cities and towns where Egyptian troops were holed up and surrounded. The African-air cavalry was quite surprised by this, and attempted to fight back, but, outnumbered and outgunned, they were forced to fall back, lest they be utterly destroyed. African fighters, of NAF-1 and F2 designations, out of both the USCA and CSA then arrived on the scene, hoping to drive back the Egyptian air power, however, they were met bu Hyperfalcons, and, outgunned and underpowered, they lost many of their number to the Egyptian planes. Meanwhile, some gunships were hit, but the the enkranoplane force picked up. Transport and attack enkranoplanes landed, discharging marines, who assaulted the land forces in the towns, and liberated the Egyptian troops on hold there. The USCA tanks, already on call to try and attack the Egyptian in the town, faced a new threat, the Egyptian gunships. Gunships outnumbered the 25 USCA tanks, and while many tanks were initially able to get shots off at both Egyptian Marines and Egyptian soldiers, they were severley hit by the gunships, and soon, most were dispatched.

I'm very confused... Your telling me that the Enkratoplane was able to magically float past all of my border defenses, and bypass an entire armoured company made up of the best tanks in "this world". Do you even know what an ekratoplane is? I'll tell you. It is an extremely inversatile boat that can hover several meters of extremely calm water. When used over land, the surface must be unnaturally flat for it not to epically fail. A child with pa's AK-47 could easily plink one out of the low level airspace it occupies. Let's say cliffes rescue party was able to make it over my borders and around my fotresses/cities. Matt's wolf tanks have some of the best AA and countermeasure equipment, not to mention extremely high moc quality and level of detail, and your telling me some wannabe hovercraft and and its escorts were able to outgun them? On the subject of air superiority, Cliffe's "gunships" don't even have sealed cockpits. Thier pilots would suffocate before getting out of range of even the most simple AA weapons and rocket launchers. As you know I have the schematics of Cliffe's hyperfalcon, and I've been making good use of them. My engineers have been equiping all of my fighters with radar masker's that will make identify them as friendly aircraft to Egyptian radar equipment. Evan can vouch for this, as I've been FMing these information along with my other prior orders. I thought Evan had sent you this when you became CM, so I guess this was just a bit of miscommunication. Also to note, I only had 15 F2's, the bulk of my air force is the F1 ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/4841715618/ ). I had about 100 assorted African Alliance aircraft on standby in my Ugandan mountain bases (where I also have several missile silos). I'm sure this was all just a simple misunderstanding, but I would really appreciate a "redo" of this section of your report.
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| October 9, 2010, 6:46 pm
Quoting -> avalella

now you know how I feel...
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| October 9, 2010, 6:48 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Also to note, I only had 15 F2's, the bulk of my air force is the F1 ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/4841715618/ ).


You're using attack craft for fighters? That thing is like a more intense A-10, you know.
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| October 9, 2010, 7:08 pm
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Finland is sending 25 replacement C5A Wolf MBTs to compensate for their preposterously and bizarrely poor performance last night. These are not the export model, but the full model used in the Finnish military, with the full Active Protection Suite, ERA, and of course, Gen 5 composite armor. We are also supplying new proximity-fused airburst munitions to hopefully deal with air power like gunships. Of course, for all the extra bells and whistles the USCA did have to pay more, but no matter. Finland hopes that next time in battle, they will prove better for our USCA business partners.

They will be arriving within the week, as this order has been taken directly off of our production lines.
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| October 9, 2010, 7:27 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Kicking off Oktober fest with a barrage of Katyusha rockets.

jk, jk
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| October 9, 2010, 8:20 pm
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With the war overseas still slugging about and near-domestic fighting increasing, the ADCC would like to reiterate it's self-defense and security standards. Again, military forces are scrambled as to increase reaction time capability and combat effectiveness. Civil defense is also of high standard with air ports, major highways, train stations, etc. being heavily secured and monitored.

Aside from that, newer armor composites are being researched for future integration and upgrades for allied armour in the near future. Munitions upgrades are also in progress. The goal is to increase the effectiveness of guided munitions along with their range. Newer anti-armour rounds are also being evolved.

Also, the utility helicopter program has picked up some speed with the first test squadron under production. With any luck, the program will see actual military deployment en masse by end-year if not sooner. Additional roles are also in the works with a major focus on next-gen. ASW.
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| October 9, 2010, 10:02 pm
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Joining this last-minute give away, India will also replace plane-for-plane the losses of the F-1 'Victorious,' though I haven't heard of any in combat, which is odd.

*In order to receive this, combatants must copy+paste CM words with a 'Quoting Ultramarine' in order to get my attention. Thank you.
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| October 9, 2010, 10:52 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
I'm very confused... Your telling me that the Enkratoplane was able to magically float past all of my border defenses, and bypass an entire armoured company made up of the best tanks in "this world". Do you even know what an ekratoplane is? I'll tell you. It is an extremely inversatile boat that can hover several meters of extremely calm water. When used over land, the surface must be unnaturally flat for it not to epically fail. A child with pa's AK-47 could easily plink one out of the low level airspace it occupies. Let's say cliffes rescue party was able to make it over my borders and around my fotresses/cities. Matt's wolf tanks have some of the best AA and countermeasure equipment, not to mention extremely high moc quality and level of detail, and your telling me some wannabe hovercraft and and its escorts were able to outgun them? On the subject of air superiority, Cliffe's "gunships" don't even have sealed cockpits. Thier pilots would suffocate before getting out of range of even the most simple AA weapons and rocket launchers. As you know I have the schematics of Cliffe's hyperfalcon, and I've been making good use of them. My engineers have been equiping all of my fighters with radar masker's that will make identify them as friendly aircraft to Egyptian radar equipment. Evan can vouch for this, as I've been FMing these information along with my other prior orders. I thought Evan had sent you this when you became CM, so I guess this was just a bit of miscommunication. Also to note, I only had 15 F2's, the bulk of my air force is the F1 ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/4841715618/ ). I had about 100 assorted African Alliance aircraft on standby in my Ugandan mountain bases (where I also have several missile silos). I'm sure this was all just a simple misunderstanding, but I would really appreciate a "redo" of this section of your report.

While I refute your claims of superiority, I will acknowledge that, due to a lack of information on my part, I did not list Egyptian casualties as high as they should be.

let it be known that more Egyptian aircraft, especially hyperfalcons, were downed than I mentioned, and due to hyperfalcons downed on the return trip, at least 500 more of the Egyptian troops were killed in crashes.

So troops:
rescued:
~1,000
killed (over both several days of fighting in the cities, in their attempted escape, and in Enkranoplane crashes):
~3,000

Because of the scale, and the scope, of the rescue operation, I refuse to state that it totally failed, but I will grant you a higher Egyptian casualty rate.
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| October 9, 2010, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
From what I've seen is that Tom thinks that anything owned by Africa is total trash and is destroyed easily. Tell me if I'm wrong.

You are wrong, I compare MOCs, particularily opposing airplanes, by quality, not who made them in the game. I think that the Hyperfalcon is superior to your AMF-1, and that is why it gets a higher kill rate.

I am not prejudiced, or biased.
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| October 9, 2010, 11:21 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I am extremely ... /takes deep breath/ peeved about tonight's report. could someone either tell me what I should do about it, argue against me, or agree with me?
I'm seriously upset and I need to vent my rage

I did take account for all of your AA, don't worry. You managed to take out 106 planes, that is no small feat.

Now again, I don't see how it is logical to assume you were able to completely fend off Cliffe's massive attack, but, that casualty rate is extremely high on his part. he lost over 100 planes, that is actually a lot.

And the high-level bombers that Cliffe used fly out of the range of conventional AA, it takes large SAMs to take those out, and even with that, its quite difficult. I acknowledge that you have large SAMs, and therefore, were not completely vulnerable to high-level bombers, which is a good thing, because the 16 you shot down are still an impressive number for shooting at high-level bombers.
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| October 9, 2010, 11:33 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Well, then remember most of the USCA's land forces are made of equipment built by me or Finland.

Right, but against helicopter gunships with anti-tank missiles, It isn't really a fair fight.

Let me explain: I compare MOCs for fair fights between similar vehicles, for non-similar vehicles, I figure which one has the advantage, based on type of vehicle.

ex.

Tank vs. tank: compare MOCs

Helicopter gunship vs. Helicopter gunship: compare MOCs

Fighter plane vs. fighter plane: compare MOCs

helicopter gunship vs. tank: helicopter has advantage

fighter plane vs. helicopter gunship: fighter has advantage.
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| October 9, 2010, 11:36 pm
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My combat moderation for tonight is short, because I've received CRs from all of two people for today.

The PCU is mobilizing its navy to hold off any attempted U.A.C. offensive.

The PCU has also transferred 15,000 troops and equipment, as well as integrated heavy missile defense, to the Suez Canal in Egypt, in support of Prusso-Egypt, to guard against possible attacks on the canal.


Finn has sent 10 highly-trained, German-speaking, sabotage/assassination-expert special ops troopers into Germany, where they have disappeared from detection by the Germans, and are expected to begin wreaking havoc soon.
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| October 9, 2010, 11:42 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Although I am not sure what Andrew has sent you, from when he was digging into defensive positions, most of his dug-in armor was designated a "protector" vehicle of sorts, usually an Avenger missile system, to protect the surrounding vulnerable armor from low to mid height threats, such as gunships. All defensive units, when moving or getting into firing positions, especially AA units where to use the dense jungle, or any cover the could to screen their movements.

Again, I neglected to inform you of any of this stuff when I handed control over to you, and I duly apologize. At least from the way Andrew reported his defensive measures to me, he took into account his total lack of air power.

Which is why I can account for this lack of information by an adjustment of casualties.

And Andrew (Avalella if I'm not mistaken) has sent me nothing.
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| October 10, 2010, 12:09 am
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Quoting Thomas N
helicopter gunship vs. tank: helicopter has advantage


I dont think that either Evan or I would be as upset by our armor's poor performance if we were enlightened on which gunships attacked them, since we have not noticed any Helo MOCs from Cliffe. To make sure that I dont look like an @ss again for missing a MOC, I checked the statistics page, where I discovered that Cliffe has not posted. So please, enlighten us on these mystical gunships which were able to dodge AA and MANPADS like no tomorrow.
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| October 10, 2010, 12:16 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Thomas N
helicopter gunship vs. tank: helicopter has advantage


I dont think that either Evan or I would be as upset by our armor's poor performance if we were enlightened on which gunships attacked them, since we have not noticed any Helo MOCs from Cliffe. To make sure that I dont look like an @ss again for missing a MOC, I checked the statistics page, where I discovered that Cliffe has not posted. So please, enlighten us on these mystical gunships which were able to dodge AA and MANPADS like no tomorrow.

Cliffe has an entire minion pretty much devoted to Prusso-Egypt, and and basically controls him...

http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123

He has a horde of MOCs, and cliffe likes to profess looking past the rainbow-ness.
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| October 10, 2010, 12:26 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Cliffe has an entire minion pretty much devoted to Prusso-Egypt, and and basically controls him...

http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123

He has a horde of MOCs, and cliffe likes to profess looking past the rainbow-ness.


He has been inactive so long I forgot about him...
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| October 10, 2010, 12:30 am
Quoting Finn C-Q
Kicking off Oktober fest with a barrage of Katyusha rockets.

jk, jk

I believe you mean Taepodong 2?

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| October 10, 2010, 1:10 am
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Quoting John Moffatt
I believe you mean Taepodong 2?


You all do know Oktoberfest ended awhile ago?
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| October 10, 2010, 1:36 am
Yes. That's why 20 missiles slammed into Munich a while ago, as opposed to now.
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| October 10, 2010, 1:48 am
Quoting Thomas N
I did take account for all of your AA, don't worry. You managed to take out 106 planes, that is no small feat.

Now again, I don't see how it is logical to assume you were able to completely fend off Cliffe's massive attack, but, that casualty rate is extremely high on his part. he lost over 100 planes, that is actually a lot.

And the high-level bombers that Cliffe used fly out of the range of conventional AA, it takes large SAMs to take those out, and even with that, its quite difficult. I acknowledge that you have large SAMs, and therefore, were not completely vulnerable to high-level bombers, which is a good thing, because the 16 you shot down are still an impressive number for shooting at high-level bombers.

I still don't understand how my air force was destroyed while on the ground. I understand that only about 10 of my SAMs could reach them, but the rest of my air force was on standby (so the pilots were within an hour of the various bases). I imagine even my old Migs would be effective against his bombers, because of their lack of air support. Even if his fighters punched a whole through my multiple border defenses in one concentrated spot. They'd still have to go through the SAMs I have behind my border.
On a side note, how many Hyper Falcons does Cliffe have? He's been losing a lot. I imagine they should run out eventually.
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| October 10, 2010, 10:15 am
Quoting Thomas N
Cliffe has an entire minion pretty much devoted to Prusso-Egypt, and and basically controls him...

http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123

He has a horde of MOCs, and cliffe likes to profess looking past the rainbow-ness.

You mentioned moc quality? If I named my country the Central Brick Union, I'd be allowed to use all of Magnus's stuff? NO! You build your own stuff, or you make some post where the two parties agree on a trade of some sorts. I doubt Cliffe even knew about these gunships (which I doubt could even lift into the air), and if he did, then why not post about them SOMEWHERE? Also, I duly apologize for not sending you anything, I assumed Evan had sent all of my prior orders. Thank you for your casualty adjustments, and I hope we can get over this and get back to the war.
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| October 10, 2010, 10:16 am
Quoting -> avalella
You mentioned moc quality?

His gunship was made in LDD so it's actually pretty good.
Which is bad.
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| October 10, 2010, 10:17 am
Quoting Jake H.
His gunship was made in LDD so it's actually pretty good.
Which is bad.
thanks for the air drop jake

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| October 10, 2010, 10:29 am
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I'm gonna ask a few questions that may sound really stupid, but bear with me here...

Who is fighting who over which countries in Africa?

Is Tedious Destroyer still putting up any resistance in Texas, or is the revolution over? I haven't seen a combat report for some time now, which leads me to believe that there's no combat. If that's the case, I'd like to know before I go spend millions of dollars in a war that isn't happening.
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| October 10, 2010, 5:55 pm
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Could someone approve my comment? I've apparently been demoted (I'm pretty sure I was a moderator before...)and am no longer able to do so myself. -.-
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| October 10, 2010, 6:07 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Could someone approve my comment? I've apparently been demoted (I'm pretty sure I was a moderator before...)and am no longer able to do so myself. -.-

I replied to your earlier comment. I think it was blocked because I used the word dled.

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| October 10, 2010, 6:35 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
MANPADS like no tomorrow.

That phrase disturbs me...
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| October 10, 2010, 6:48 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Who is fighting who over which countries in Africa?

Is Tedious Destroyer still putting up any resistance in Texas, or is the revolution over? I haven't seen a combat report for some time now, which leads me to believe that there's no combat. If that's the case, I'd like to know before I go spend millions of dollars in a war that isn't happening.

Cliffe is fighting against the four members of the African alliance, but neither country is willing to commit much of anything to a ground campaign, aside from yesterday's hostage rescue operation. Most of the conflict iss being fought in the air.

I don't remember why they're fighting though...

And the PCU has pretty much taken all the land in Texas and destroyed most of Texas's armed forces. They now face heavy urban fighting against the last of the Texan soldiers, and untrained, armed civvies.
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| October 10, 2010, 6:51 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Hek, I wiped out a whole bunch of infantry and armor with just two x-bombs, imagine the fury of an all-out air campaign...

What IS an X-Bomb?

Quoting Glenn Streeter
ah just buy one then strip it down to see how it works then build your own simple

He doesn't have much in the way of production facilities. Lots of raw materials, but he can't use them effectively.
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| October 10, 2010, 7:40 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
What IS an X-Bomb?


A powerful long range missile developed by India, and currently produced by only Ultra and me.
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| October 10, 2010, 8:38 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

He doesn't have much in the way of production facilities. Lots of raw materials, but he can't use them effectively.

Woe is me
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| October 10, 2010, 9:35 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
Woe is me

Build some, I managed to turn Algeria into an industrialization center over the course of two months.
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| October 10, 2010, 9:49 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
What IS an X-Bomb?

http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222239

Quoting Jake H.
A powerful long range missile developed by India, and currently produced by only Ultra and me.

500 km isn't exactly 'long range' but you could boost it with better engines for only a slight weight problem.
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| October 10, 2010, 10:39 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Build some, I managed to turn Algeria into an industrialization center over the course of two months.

I still find that hard to believe.
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| October 10, 2010, 10:54 pm
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Missiles=/= bombs. Just putting that out there.
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| October 10, 2010, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Missiles=/= bombs. Just putting that out there.

I know it's a misnomer, but it's an easily remembered name.
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| October 10, 2010, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Missiles=/= bombs. Just putting that out there.


Rope, lamp oil, bombs, you want it?
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| October 10, 2010, 11:16 pm
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Pardon my laziness when it comes to China.

Over the past few days, the ground assault into Yangzhou has proven largely successful. Chinese remnants are retreating, with a large casualty count. A fear of enemy air attacks cause the Indians to move 100 Ratel AA units amongst the front lines, and send 80 F-1s and 4 F-2s on search-and-destroy missions deeper into Hunan. These air attacks have also been successful, due to the large numbers of Indian craft, and the low number of Chinese aircraft to challenge them. The only obstacle is the heavy SAM activity around the airfields in Hunan. Luckily, the Indians came prepared with a large number of AESA radar attachments. The F-2s bombed many of the SAMs right away, catching them off guard. Then the F-1s dropped their payloads on the already few Chinese planes while the F-2s came around for more passes. Only 9 F-1s were downed due to SAMs today, and the pilots were rescued.

Yangzhou looks to be taken over by the middle of next week if this offensive continues to be successful.
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| October 10, 2010, 11:31 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Pardon my laziness when it comes to China.

Hey, I'm pretty much shadow-boxing here, so sparsity isn't a problem.

Thank you.
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| October 10, 2010, 11:35 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Rope, lamp oil, bombs, you want it?


We ransom the king for, ONE MILLION rupees.
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| October 10, 2010, 11:59 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I still find that hard to believe.

Well, I've been giving him much aid, and hes part of a pretty large alliance. Also, you still haven't answered my query.
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| October 11, 2010, 2:26 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Well, I've been giving him much aid, and hes part of a pretty large alliance. Also, you still haven't answered my query.

But all four members of your alliance started with sub-par economic structure... I'm not saying that it isn't possible for the four of you to make your countries economically sound, but 2 months doesn't sound like a feasible time period. Doesn't matter though, I'm not going to nit-pick you.

And I did answer your earlier query, its up there, you just need to look harder.
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| October 11, 2010, 4:02 pm
Quoting Thomas N
But all four members of your alliance started with sub-par economic structure... I'm not saying that it isn't possible for the four of you to make your countries economically sound, but 2 months doesn't sound like a feasible time period. Doesn't matter though, I'm not going to nit-pick you.

And I did answer your earlier query, its up there, you just need to look harder.

I've explained this before, if it wasn't for a small Islam extremist problem (which Cliffe took care of long ago), Algeria would be doing fine in 20+ years.
And that only applies to mother Algeria. All my other countries are still dirt poor.
If it wasn't fo
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| October 11, 2010, 4:08 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Rope, lamp oil, bombs, you want it?
awe can we meet in the trading topic for some business?

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| October 11, 2010, 4:16 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I've explained this before, if it wasn't for a small Islam extremist problem (which Cliffe took care of long ago), Algeria would be doing fine in 20+ years.
And that only applies to mother Algeria. All my other countries are still dirt poor.
If it wasn't fo

Cliffeonly removed Islam from his own territories, he wouldn't have done anything with Algeria.
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| October 11, 2010, 4:38 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Cliffeonly removed Islam from his own territories, he wouldn't have done anything with Algeria.

I thought he made a much more conservative version.
If he hadn't, there might be a few Islam rebels waiting for the right time to strike.

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| October 11, 2010, 4:52 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I thought he made a much more conservative version.
If he hadn't, there might be a few Islam rebels waiting for the right time to strike.

He removed the threat from his own country, and only his own country.

If anything he might have moved a lot of his radical groups to other parts of the world, and there may be even more in Algeria.
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| October 11, 2010, 5:01 pm
Quoting Thomas N
But all four members of your alliance started with sub-par economic structure... I'm not saying that it isn't possible for the four of you to make your countries economically sound, but 2 months doesn't sound like a feasible time period. Doesn't matter though, I'm not going to nit-pick you.

And I did answer your earlier query, its up there, you just need to look harder.

I recieved substantial aid from Finland, France, and the New Commonwealth. Also, have you forgotten the fact that I built a dam on the Congo river and my extensive energy sales?
Quoting Thomas N
Cliffe has an entire minion pretty much devoted to Prusso-Egypt, and and basically controls him...

http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123

He has a horde of MOCs, and cliffe likes to profess looking past the rainbow-ness.

You mentioned moc quality? If I named my country the Central Brick Union, I'd be allowed to use all of Magnus's stuff? NO! You build your own stuff, or you make some post where the two parties agree on a trade of some sorts. I doubt Cliffe even knew about these gunships (which I doubt could even lift into the air), and if he did, then why not post about them SOMEWHERE? Also, I duly apologize for not sending you anything, I assumed Evan had sent all of my prior orders. Thank you for your casualty adjustments, and I hope we can get over this and get back to the war.
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| October 11, 2010, 6:06 pm
Islam is far from gone, in fact it is still a major, major religion in Mesopotamia. However, paganism has made its glorious comeback in large numbers. Also, it still dominates the Prusso-Egyptian state of Jordan.
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| October 11, 2010, 6:08 pm
Quoting Thomas N
He removed the threat from his own country, and only his own country.

If anything he might have moved a lot of his radical groups to other parts of the world, and there may be even more in Algeria.

Remove radical groups from their homeland?
Do you know how hard that would be?
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| October 11, 2010, 7:47 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
I recieved substantial aid from Finland, France, and the New Commonwealth. Also, have you forgotten the fact that I built a dam on the Congo river and my extensive energy sales?

I was actually pleased by your own economic advancements, and your highly realistic way of going about them. Algeria however, draws my questioning gaze.
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| October 11, 2010, 7:53 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Cliffe removing the entire religion of Islam from the most populous Chunk of the Arab World is like...no. Yeah he may have nixed extremism, but idc what he says. Islam is still the major religion in that part of the world, and it always will be. Not even Cliffe's magic Germani-Egypt Emperorness can change that.


Indeed. And Muslims generally don't hold pagans in high esteem. People of the Book get toleration, sometimes, but not so much others. Of the two Muslims I've ever exchanged words with, the mainstream one was from Palestine, and the liberal one was from here in America. And since the Middle East is close to Palestine, I assume they hold a more conservative view there.

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| October 11, 2010, 7:54 pm
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Quoting -> avalella

Quoting Thomas N
Cliffe has an entire minion pretty much devoted to Prusso-Egypt, and and basically controls him...

http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123

He has a horde of MOCs, and cliffe likes to profess looking past the rainbow-ness.

You mentioned moc quality? If I named my country the Central Brick Union, I'd be allowed to use all of Magnus's stuff? NO! You build your own stuff, or you make some post where the two parties agree on a trade of some sorts. I doubt Cliffe even knew about these gunships (which I doubt could even lift into the air), and if he did, then why not post about them SOMEWHERE? Also, I duly apologize for not sending you anything, I assumed Evan had sent all of my prior orders. Thank you for your casualty adjustments, and I hope we can get over this and get back to the war.

As for MOC quality, by my own system of judging, color doesn't have an effect.

And if you're going to say that Cliffe can't use his friend's vehicles, especially when his friend designed them for Prusso-Egypt in the first place, all Cliffe is going to do is make his friend one of his subordinates, so the creations are Prusso-Egyptian anyway.
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| October 11, 2010, 7:56 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Cliffe removing the entire religion of Islam from the most populous Chunk of the Arab World is like...no. Yeah he may have nixed extremism, but idc what he says. Islam is still the major religion in that part of the world, and it always will be. Not even Cliffe's magic Germani-Egypt Emperorness can change that.

Cliffe was nattering a while back about joining the UNEA, something about wanting to be a seperate faction; I can't remember the details, but I definitely recall mentioning uprooting Prussia and launching it into space.

I'm just sayin', if the nonsense gets too much to bear, we can always launch Prusso-Egypt into the Centauri cluster.


Speaking of launching, I'm happy to say the "Sokol" helicopter tankbuster is finally in full production, now we've beaten out the gremlins.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:00 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting -> avalella
I recieved substantial aid from Finland, France, and the New Commonwealth. Also, have you forgotten the fact that I built a dam on the Congo river and my extensive energy sales?

I was actually pleased by your own economic advancements, and your highly realistic way of going about them. Algeria however, draws my questioning gaze.

I started off with a better economy.
>.>
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| October 11, 2010, 8:10 pm
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Here's the plan. We hold Cliffe captive for, one MILLION dollars.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:13 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You mentioned moc quality? If I named my country the Central Brick Union, I'd be allowed to use all of Magnus's stuff? NO! You build your own stuff, or you make some post where the two parties agree on a trade of some sorts. I doubt Cliffe even knew about these gunships (which I doubt could even lift into the air), and if he did, then why not post about them SOMEWHERE? Also, I duly apologize for not sending you anything, I assumed Evan had sent all of my prior orders. Thank you for your casualty adjustments, and I hope we can get over this and get back to the war.

As for MOC quality, by my own system of judging, color doesn't have an effect.

And if you're going to say that Cliffe can't use his friend's vehicles, especially when his friend designed them for Prusso-Egypt in the first place, all Cliffe is going to do is make his friend one of his subordinates, so the creations are Prusso-Egyptian anyway.

Anyone can use their subordinates' vehicles, like how Nick can use Rocky's. You African nations share all of your vehicles anyway, so what are y'all compl@ining about? You guys have it very easy.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:31 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
creations are Prusso-Egyptian anyway.
Anyone can use their subordinates' vehicles, like how Nick can use Rocky's. You African nations share all of your vehicles anyway, so what are y'all compl@ining about? You guys have it very easy.

That's actually just me, I give them my designs.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:32 pm
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Oceanian News:

production facilities were stepped up today, not to produce many new designs, but to build upon old ones.

In the course of acquiring land, and the armies of those former countries, we have acquired large amounts of equipment, mostly from what was once the USA.

So, as it stands, these are models which will be upgraded for more pronounced service within the Oceanian armed forces:

750 former Australian and 650 former Taiwanese M113 will be upgraded to 1,400 OC-M113-1

2,000 former Taiwanese HUMVEEs will be upgraded to 2,000 OC-HUMVEE

345 former Australian and New Zealand ASLAVs and NZLAVs will be upgraded to 345 OCLAVs.

more on this upgrade project when I think of more.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:38 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Can you give me the amount of units destroyed in Cliffe's mass-bombing?
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| October 11, 2010, 8:40 pm
How does Cliffe have 2,000 high tech fighters?
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| October 11, 2010, 8:47 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
How does Cliffe have 2,000 high tech fighters?


Because he has lots of energy that... someone buys.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:50 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
How does Cliffe have 2,000 high tech fighters?

As well as a million UAVs, 15,000 tanks, 50 subs, 40 destroyers, over a hundred thousand assorted chariots, and millions of troops? That's beyond a compact Soviet Russia. Revision, please.

I'll be the first to admit that even my own numbers are stretched beyond all aspirations of the future, but Holy Jeebus.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:51 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
15,000 tanks

That he released a week ago too.
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I'll be the first to admit that even my own numbers are stretched beyond all aspirations of the future, but Holy Jeebus

Yeah, my numbers are probably pretty impractical too.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:53 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous

I'll be the first to admit that even my own numbers are stretched beyond all aspirations of the future, but Holy Jeebus.


My numbers are based on the current militaries of my nation(s). I'm actually in realistic bounds, more or less. Success is mine.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:55 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
As well as a million UAVs, 15,000 tanks, 50 subs, 40 destroyers, over a hundred thousand assorted chariots, and millions of troops? That's beyond a compact Soviet Russia. Revision, please.

I'll be the first to admit that even my own numbers are stretched beyond all aspirations of the future, but Holy Jeebus.

I'm going to need some help, then.

At least I know how to use realistic fighter and ship numbers now.

Also, I'm still going to have a lot of stuff, because a lot of this has accumulated over the period of three real-life earth years.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:55 pm
Quoting Jake H.
That he released a week ago too.
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I'll be the first to admit that even my own numbers are stretched beyond all aspirations of the future, but Holy Jeebus

Yeah, my numbers are probably pretty impractical too.

The "tank" (Macro War Chariot) had been built since the beginning of this past summer, but hadn't been uploaded until recently.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:56 pm
I think I cut my forces down to a much more realistic size, however, still quite hefty if I say so myself- we have high standards. And I'm a bit paranoid of being outnumbered.
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| October 11, 2010, 8:59 pm
Well, with massive conscription levels, my numbers are accurate. I could probably squeeze a few more women in, but we need them for the childrens.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:09 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I think I cut my forces down to a much more realistic size, however, still quite hefty if I say so myself- we have high standards. And I'm a bit paranoid of being outnumbered.


The US currently only has about 150 UAVS, most likely less. They aren't cheap AT ALL.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:11 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I think I cut my forces down to a much more realistic size, however, still quite hefty if I say so myself- we have high standards. And I'm a bit paranoid of being outnumbered.


That's why I have I built my nation around defensible borders. Except for Turkey north of Mesopotamia, but we have mountains back there.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:13 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

The US currently only has about 150 UAVS, most likely less. They aren't cheap AT ALL.

...

You know we Egyptians are THE masters of electricity these days, right? Including software (including robotics) and electronic hardware?

It makes things a heII of a lot easier to make. Plus, this is the 21st century. Things are going to be different.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:22 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
...

You know we Egyptians are THE masters of electricity these days, right? Including software (including robotics) and electronic hardware?

It makes things a heII of a lot easier to make. Plus, this is the 21st century. Things are going to be different.


It's one thing to have the parts, it's another to actually put them together and have them work. Not to mention, you're gonna need someone to fly all of those. Unless they're automated, in which case...

Well, too much BSG warns me against automated combat machines.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:28 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

It's one thing to have the parts, it's another to actually put them together and have them work. Not to mention, you're gonna need someone to fly all of those. Unless they're automated, in which case...

Well, too much BSG warns me against automated combat machines.

How could you not have enough people to fly them? Being a UAV pilot is, like, one of the most desirable jobs on the planet. Or at least, it is in Egypt.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:33 pm
Is there going to be a combat report tonight or did I send in my huge list of plans too late again?
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| October 11, 2010, 9:35 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Being a UAV pilot is, like, one of the most desirable jobs on the planet. Or at least, it is in Egypt.

Mongolia too. `Serve your country without actually getting the crud shot out of you!`
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| October 11, 2010, 9:37 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Islam is far from gone, in fact it is still a major, major religion in Mesopotamia. However, paganism has made its glorious comeback in large numbers. Also, it still dominates the Prusso-Egyptian state of Jordan.

You do realize that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, especially in north-eastern Africa. Also, I'm growing weary of this war, is there any way we can negotiate a peace treaty?
In the USCA, reinforcements are rapidly being mustered for units lost in a recent attack. The foritification of all cities will begin again, and the surrounding bunker and trench networks are now being outfitted with more AA systems. We would also like to procure another 200 Avenger missile systems. Using hyperfalcon schematics, a new project called TFAD (Tactical Fixed Air Defense) has begun, and will primarily focus on developing fixed-position AA systems specifically outfitted to take down hyperfalcons. To help with production, we are requesting 2 Hyperfalcons from Algeria.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:38 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Also, I'm growing weary of this war, is there any way we can negotiate a peace treaty?

Most certainly, my dear gentleman! We can settle it here and now. My terms are simple- allow my forces to leave unharmed, pay tribute to the Egyptian god of the dead and the afterlife, Osiris, for all the Egyptian soldiers killed at the hands of the USCA, hope Anubis doesn't murder you in your sleep, and admit that Prusso-Egypt would have crushed you one way or another.

I was getting ready to initiate a special surprise assault courtesy of the Babylonian Army- you came to me at just the right time.

Prusso-Egypt never tires! ;D
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| October 11, 2010, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Is there going to be a combat report tonight or did I send in my huge list of plans too late again?

I don't know, over a period of about four days, I've gotten combat reports from about three people, so I don't think everyone would be equally represented if I were to put a mod out there right now...
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| October 11, 2010, 9:50 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I don't know, over a period of about four days, I've gotten combat reports from about three people, so I don't think everyone would be equally represented if I were to put a mod out there right now...

I'm pretty sure it would be fair to do one for at least the Algeria-Egypt and Persian Gulf conflicts.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:53 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I don't know, over a period of about four days, I've gotten combat reports from about three people, so I don't think everyone would be equally represented if I were to put a mod out there right now...

That's their own fault.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:53 pm
Mongolian News Update:

Now that things seem to be cooling down, the Mongolian military is to be downsized to peace-time standards, though enlisted men are expected to be ready at a moments notice.
Agriculture has again been reinstated as the main industry, whilst only 10% of production facilities shall remain building military technology. (mainly continued UAV production)
The Gobi Solar Farm is now at the 80% mark, supplying most of the power across the country.
A technological re-education order has been issued by the government to bring our country up to par with the rest of the world.
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| October 11, 2010, 9:57 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I'll be the first to admit that even my own numbers are stretched beyond all aspirations of the future, but Holy Jeebus.

Everyone's numbers are wrong.

Well, mostly everyone's.

Mine are pretty reasonable, for a state that's spent the last 15 years plotting how best to carve out an empire for itself. According to Evan, anyway.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Prusso-Egypt never tires! ;D

No, but it does get bored and ragequit.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:04 pm
Quoting -> avalella
You do realize that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, especially in north-eastern Africa. Also, I'm growing weary of this war, is there any way we can negotiate a peace treaty?
In the USCA, reinforcements are rapidly being mustered for units lost in a recent attack. The foritification of all cities will begin again, and the surrounding bunker and trench networks are now being outfitted with more AA systems. We would also like to procure another 200 Avenger missile systems. Using hyperfalcon schematics, a new project called TFAD (Tactical Fixed Air Defense) has begun, and will primarily focus on developing fixed-position AA systems specifically outfitted to take down hyperfalcons. To help with production, we are requesting 2 Hyperfalcons from Algeria.

you can have'em
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| October 11, 2010, 10:05 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Prusso-Egypt never tires! ;D

No, but it does get bored and ragequit.

Oh no no, it NEVER gets bored, in fact sometimes I can hardly wait until peace comes around so I can finally work on civvie MOCs...

As far as ragequitting goes, I'll just say this... it's like having the classic choice between committing su1cide and getting executed.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:12 pm
Quoting Jake H.
you can have'em

Here come the interceptors! :D
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| October 11, 2010, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


As far as ragequitting goes, I'll just say this... it's like having the classic choice between committing su1cide and getting executed.


Back in my day, su1cide got you a one way ticket to HeII.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:13 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Back in my day, su1cide got you a one way ticket to HeII.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LRtjVt0LUc

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| October 11, 2010, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LRtjVt0LUc


Shoulda seen that coming...
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| October 11, 2010, 10:20 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Shoulda seen that coming...

LMFAOROFLCOPTERBBQ
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| October 11, 2010, 10:20 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
LMFAOROFLCOPTERBBQ


Don't make me break out my organ music.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:21 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Don't make me break out my organ music.

That has to be the best threat I've ever heard.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Don't make me break out my organ music.

Don't make me initiate my electronic organ music attack sequence.

Yes, attack sequence. It's that bad.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:23 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Don't make me initiate my electronic organ music attack sequence.

Yes, attack sequence. It's that bad.


RIGHT, that's it!

Behold, my anthem! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szya3p1vydY&feature=related


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| October 11, 2010, 10:26 pm
As it stands, Cliffe now holds the spot for Best Threat. Is anyone man enough to challenge him?
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| October 11, 2010, 10:27 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
As it stands, Cliffe now holds the spot for Best Threat. Is anyone man enough to challenge him?


I will throw Greek Orthodox chants at him, and when those are done, I'll toss in some Muslim music, as a reminder of those who ended all hopes of his neo-pagan empire in the East.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:29 pm
I shall release the fleas of one thousand camels, which shall set forth to infest his armpits.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:31 pm
Just throwing in my 2 cents.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:32 pm
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Whatever happened to that warmongering Henry Leopold III? He was the one that started the mess in Africa.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:40 pm
Awe, your theme is extremely glorious... however...

BEHOLD!

INITIATING ATTACK SEQUENCE LAMBADA OMEGA LAMBADA ZETA 8777126 PHASE ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8LdRJqjjRM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01q53GvUCVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVphN8Vh_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7bKx0-shPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMagzXrtvyU

PHASE ONE COMPLETE
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| October 11, 2010, 10:41 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Whatever happened to that warmongering Henry Leopold III? He was the one that started the mess in Africa.


Good question.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:41 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Through economics alone, Cliffe's nation is going to need a large amount of time to regroup. He has been at way around the world for more then a month now, and is still fighting in the Middle East, not to mention an endless pit of violence in Switzerland. He will need to take time to consolidate before he can think about doing anything, let his economy already collapse.

He was talking of musical threats, my dear gentleman.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Awe, your theme is extremely glorious... however...

BEHOLD!


PHASE ONE COMPLETE


Noooo, not the techno, it BURRRRRNSSS!

Though the second to last video is pretty much Prusso-Egypt incarnate. I summon the power of the Pacific Union!

PCU theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDkCiUhHCc
HAT-1 theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7KfnENoa64


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| October 11, 2010, 10:50 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Noooo, not the techno, it BURRRRRNSSS!

Though the second to last video is pretty much Prusso-Egypt incarnate. I summon the power of the Pacific Union!

PCU theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDkCiUhHCc
HAT-1 theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7KfnENoa64


Well, I would kinda agree, but the first one is actually our National Anthem.

And David Lee Roth is MAGIC.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:55 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Well, I would kinda agree, but the first one is actually our National Anthem.

And David Lee Roth is MAGIC.


Organs, you want them? They're yours my friend, as long as you don't turn your volume to high!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NGsQuHiFCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t38aWitpVXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vedqJqx7s0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZj7t5yClmg (my sinister time music)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8 Not organ music.
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| October 11, 2010, 10:57 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Hm.

It compares, and it's totally awesome, but it doesn't compare enough to the epicness of...

..SPACE.


Have you guys ever listened to the "music of space" (random radio waves emitted from stars and such. Its creepy.
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| October 11, 2010, 11:02 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Have you guys ever listened to the "music of space" (random radio waves emitted from stars and such. Its creepy.


Aye, I have. Very surreal.
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| October 11, 2010, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Hm.

It compares, and it's totally awesome, but it doesn't compare enough to the epicness of...

..SPACE.


Space cannot possibly be so epic. There is no sound and more importantly no roads. To race on. With roadcrews. There might be some electric eyes, but that's about it.
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| October 11, 2010, 11:05 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Space cannot possibly be so epic. No roads to race on.

I'd like to see Indy cars going at relativistic speeds.

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| October 11, 2010, 11:23 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
I'd like to see Indy cars going at relativistic speeds.


Of course someone had to bring up Cliffes chariots, when I'm talking about legit road racing.
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| October 11, 2010, 11:31 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Of course someone had to bring up Cliffes chariots, when I'm talking about legit road racing.

LOL, srsly.

I would love to handle that type of speed under the hood...
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| October 11, 2010, 11:51 pm
USCA city defenses are back to the way they were before the first invasion, which was very good. All 350 Avenger missile systems are being deployed in a "protector" role for other vehicles. All 280 of our howitzers are still in their gun pits within the bunker networks, and are primed, loaded, and ready to fire. 400 conventional AA systems have also been deployed into cities to aid in a defense.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:13 am
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As China becomes more and more Indian territory, with little chance of mounting further strategic counterattacks; plans are being drawn up for the occupation and assimilation of the populace. Strategic assets are being avoided as military targets-such as factories, mines, and other heavy works-to be used to fuel the Indian economy once the war is over.

Having almost faced a Chinese rebellion earlier this year, India is determined not to let it happen again. The same population replacement program will be enacted as was the case with the last halted annexation of China and the Chinese will be replaced with Indian colonists and military personnel.

Speaking of which, the Chinese divisions have completed training and are full regulars and special forces in the Indian army. A couple dozen have completed pilot's training and even a few will serve in the Indian navy. To decrease chances of dissimilar treatment, they have been broken up and are stationed/serving shoulder to shoulder with Indian natives (meaning, they are not in 'special' units by themselves; but eat, sleep, and train with Indians). Several of them are expected to become officers soon. They have already displayed the determination that is characteristic of their heritage.

The Indian Ivory Coast's colonials have received 80 of the A-1 'Mungusi' and rechristened it the 'Impala' (to avoid confusion, it's still designated the A-1). Units there have retained the 50 Arjun II and 30 Rajput tanks leftover from Operation Eagle. Several older American models from the SRGL have been pressed back into service (among these, about 20 M1A2s and about 35 M113 mortar carriers). The 'African Column,' as they are now called, has been increased to 11,000 up from around 6,000.

For the Indians still stationed there, the African arm of the air force remains in previously prescribed strength.

Total production of the B-1 has reached 18. F-2: 8
F-3: 2.

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| October 12, 2010, 2:58 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
As for MOC quality, by my own system of judging, color doesn't have an effect.

And if you're going to say that Cliffe can't use his friend's vehicles, especially when his friend designed them for Prusso-Egypt in the first place, all Cliffe is going to do is make his friend one of his subordinates, so the creations are Prusso-Egyptian anyway.

Anyone can use their subordinates' vehicles, like how Nick can use Rocky's. You African nations share all of your vehicles anyway, so what are y'all compl@ining about? You guys have it very easy.

This guy isn't even in the group... It would be one thing if he had he at least acknowledged the fact that your using it in this group, and let one of us know about it, but right now all your saying is that because you guys have the same name, you can use his stuff. If its not mentioned anywhere within the confines of this group, I don't think it should be allowed.
Also, the United States of Central Africa is changing it's name to the Eurusian Federation.
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| October 12, 2010, 5:19 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Back in my day, su1cide got you a one way ticket to HeII.

At my old school it still does.
That's what happens when people who love puritans are in charge.
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| October 12, 2010, 5:23 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Whatever happened to that warmongering Henry Leopold III? He was the one that started the mess in Africa.

Actually that was me and Avella.
He just got us together.
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| October 12, 2010, 5:26 pm
Quoting Evan Melick

Preferably, I'd like to stay out of this, but I thought I'd add my bit. Even if that chopper is made for Cliffe's nation, he isn't in the group, so his MOC's shouldn't be allowed in.

That's like me saying I can produce any MOC Tim or Aleks Stien make, just because all of their MOC's are for the same thing my US Military creations are.

If you don't build it, buy it from someone or the group, or have it in your nation when you start, you shouldn't be able to use it.

What if you share all of your technology with members of a certain alliance?
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| October 12, 2010, 5:34 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Also, the United States of Central Africa is changing it's name to the Eurusian Federation.


Agreed with your and Evans argument. Oh, and if you want to keep it the current way, Avalella may build and indeed has all of my vehicles considering we build for the same faction... Lets just say for the sake of your (Cliffe) armies that doesn't happen.
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| October 12, 2010, 5:40 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

The US currently only has about 150 UAVS, most likely less. They aren't cheap AT ALL.

Actually they are, the giant jet like ones are expensive, but small ones prop ones are incredibly cheap.
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| October 12, 2010, 5:41 pm
Quoting Jake H.
What if you share all of your technology with members of a certain alliance?

Well the alliance would still be part of the group (like the African Alliance, UFE, BEAR etc). What Evan is saying is that you cant find any random moc thats not part of this group and say your using it.
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| October 12, 2010, 5:42 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Anyone can use their subordinates' vehicles, like how Nick can use Rocky's. You African nations share all of your vehicles anyway, so what are y'all compl@ining about? You guys have it very easy.

This guy isn't even in the group... It would be one thing if he had he at least acknowledged the fact that your using it in this group, and let one of us know about it, but right now all your saying is that because you guys have the same name, you can use his stuff. If its not mentioned anywhere within the confines of this group, I don't think it should be allowed.
Also, the United States of Central Africa is changing it's name to the Eurusian Federation.

ERUSIA!!!???

D8

DON'T tell me Yellow Squadron is here too...

Where's Mobius One when you need him!!!

Anyway, Mag perfectly well knows his creations are being used, he just isn't always very active, and I can't invite him to the group because SOMEONE decided to demote me... >:( Besides, I don't quite see how it makes a difference. I say as long as you can get someone to agree with you and build vehicles for your cause, you can use them. Maybe you ought to try it out, eh? It's like private contracting.

Also, is it not fair that the Romans make nearly everyone's tanks?
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| October 12, 2010, 6:16 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Ok. From this time on Avalella has full production rights to all Finnish creations, although if you want to buy them I would appreciate if you contacted me.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:21 pm
Quoting Evan Melick

Preferably, I'd like to stay out of this, but I thought I'd add my bit. Even if that chopper is made for Cliffe's nation, he isn't in the group, so his MOC's shouldn't be allowed in.

That's like me saying I can produce any MOC Tim or Aleks Stien make, just because all of their MOC's are for the same thing my US Military creations are.

If you don't build it, buy it from someone or the group, or have it in your nation when you start, you shouldn't be able to use it.

I always questioned how you use U.S. military MOCs for this group while you're playing as Britain, especially the fact that they're actually made for another group altogether.

For that reason I will no longer allow you to use them.

Here's my rule- you can use them only IF they are made for your nation exclusively or otherwise made exclusively for this group.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:25 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Ok. From this time on Avalella has full production rights to all Finnish creations, although if you want to buy them I would appreciate if you contacted me.

Well played, sir, well played.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:38 pm
Also, Mag Strike is also a certified Field Marshal in the Prussian Army (within the Imperial German Army). He has been since the beginning of last year. Until recently he was known as Field Marshal Mag Strike of Prusso-Egypt.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Also, is it not fair that the Romans make nearly everyone's tanks?


I'd say it's fair. I'm the Swiss, and these tanks are my pikemen. After all, it's a free market. As long as someone has something to sell, someone will want to buy it. Especially modern battle tanks.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:45 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Frankly, I protest this. I don't have the resources to produce MOC's for this group in particular. But I'm sorry, it will never happen. In order for me to do that I would have to invest two times the amount of money into this hobby then I already do, when I currently have to save for college, a car, and all without access to a steady flow of income. This has never been an issue before.

I never really invest in my hobby, I just use and re-use what I have. Cannabilism- I found it to be a wonderful thing, my dear children.

That, and you could also use LDD or LeoCAD, like I use for my minifigures.

Plus, you can just use my new rule to your full advantage. HeII, just today I was strolling around MOCpages and I found a guy that makes British aircraft carriers, and thought of you. If you were to recruit a guy like that, you could use his carriers.

Nothing more is rewarded in this group than creativity; and this method of recruiting certainly falls under what I consider creative, in a certain sense. Especially if you make the guy an admiral or general or something, and make a group for your country like I have.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:48 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, Mag Strike is also a certified Field Marshal in the Prussian Army (within the Imperial German Army). He has been since the beginning of last year. Until recently he was known as Field Marshal Mag Strike of Prusso-Egypt.

He's been inactive for a while.
And if the MOCs are not in the group, or on Flickr I thought they didn't count?
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| October 12, 2010, 6:49 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

You're a mod, how did you just make a new rule?
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| October 12, 2010, 6:50 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
If all the admins want to get together and kick me out of the group for not having purpose-built creations, so be it.

That wouldn't happen, we like the Hydra too much :-P

That is, until my newest destroyer is unveiled...
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| October 12, 2010, 6:50 pm
Quoting Jake H.
You're a mod, how did you just make a new rule?

I'm only temporarily a new mod, so says Nickeh boi. Besides, I made the frakking group.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:51 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm only temporarily a new mod, so says Nickeh boi. Besides, I made the frakking group.


You're mod because you indeed threatened to ban everyone, and we didn't want that.

But you will be returned to your status as soon as it's all calmed down, oh founder.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:54 pm
I think this group has a life of its own...
>.>
<.<
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| October 12, 2010, 6:54 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


If you want creations to be purpose made then you must think that you are a God that commands us all to do whatever YOU want because you made a group thats a replacement for one that you totally chickened out on. I run my own group on Flickr. I barely have any people, but I let them build whatever they want because something as simple (yet profoundly complex) as LEGO shouldn't be something that you have to twist to meet someone' plans. I dont live for this group. Ill be homest. Its a little side project from life, but it seems to be taking a front-seat role when I have to argue all the time just to get a point across.

I hereby refuse to make MOCs specifically for this group unless I feel like it. If you dont like that-beware. You dont want to get on my bad side.
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| October 12, 2010, 6:58 pm
 Group admin 
I'm going to over rule Cliffe here. This rule is pretty GHEY Luigi.

In other words, Cliffe isn't an Admin. He doesn't make rules.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:00 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm only temporarily a new mod, so says Nickeh boi. Besides, I made the frakking group.

Yes you made the group, but who is the Admin here?
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| October 12, 2010, 7:03 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm going to over rule Cliffe here. This rule is pretty GHEY Luigi.

In other words, Cliffe isn't an Admin. He doesn't make rules.

/subtlehigh-five
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| October 12, 2010, 7:07 pm
Could somebody give me some advice on this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/5076137333/
the front has me stumped.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:08 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm going to over rule Cliffe here. This rule is pretty GHEY Luigi.

In other words, Cliffe isn't an Admin. He doesn't make rules.


Except he kind of made the group. We'd all still be in RA-CAS-UEN waiting for something to happen if it wasn't for him.

Are you proposing a coup?
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| October 12, 2010, 7:09 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


Are you proposing a coup?

We've already had two, I don't think we need another one.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:09 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Except he kind of made the group. We'd all still be in RA-CAS-UEN waiting for something to happen if it wasn't for him.

Are you proposing a coup?

Of course not. I'm proposing that this rule is BS.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:10 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQUpbkMkbU
Also, for those of us who actually put a good ammount of effort into insuring the quality of our mocs, I think your new "rule" is ret@rded. Just because you don't care about your mocs and can crank out (or have your friends) mocs and give them super stats doesn't mean everyone else needs to. Frankly I wouldn't be suprised if this gets deleted and/or I am banned, but I really needed to get this off my chest. It's not that your "minion" was just inactive, HE WASN'T EVEN PART OF THIS GROUP! Honestly dude, turn off spongebob for a second and realize that your the only one here that wants "imaginative" super de-dooperty mass produced multicolored garbage. I know you do put much effort into your work, and I'm in no position to force you to make huge bricklink orders, but at least have some respect for those of us who do, and not expect us to spend even more money trying to sustain mocs for many themes.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:13 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nick Shelton
Of course not. I'm proposing that this rule is BS.


Then how is Cliffe not being an admin relevant? You'd still protest if he had his admin spot.

And I agree, this rule is BS.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:13 pm
it's what makes this group great.

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| October 12, 2010, 7:15 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Then how is Cliffe not being an admin relevant? You'd still protest if he had his admin spot.

And I agree, this rule is BS.

Cliffe not being an Admin is relevant because if he was an Admin, he could easily put in place a rule that wouldn't work with the general members of the group.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:16 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nick Shelton
Cliffe not being an Admin is relevant because if he was an Admin, he could easily put in place a rule that wouldn't work with the general members of the group.


And then you could ignore it anyway.

Remember when he gave himself the power of rebellions, and used it only once on you? He would forget this one soon enough, just like the other.
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| October 12, 2010, 7:28 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Awe, your theme is extremely glorious... however...

BEHOLD!

INITIATING ATTACK SEQUENCE LAMBADA OMEGA LAMBADA ZETA 8777126 PHASE ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8LdRJqjjRM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01q53GvUCVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVphN8Vh_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7bKx0-shPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMagzXrtvyU

PHASE ONE COMPLETE

/pukes
my eyes, my poor eyes...
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| October 12, 2010, 7:31 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Except he kind of made the group. We'd all still be in RA-CAS-UEN waiting for something to happen if it wasn't for him.

Are you proposing a coup?

I was planning on starting a war and then I learned that it was hut down.
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| October 12, 2010, 8:03 pm
For the record I never started the war. I thought that we were going to attack Ham first because he was an easier target. But some people went off and attacked. So I supported them.
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| October 12, 2010, 8:07 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Yes you made the group, but who is the Admin here?

Nick, I, MADE YOU AN ADMIN.

While I was admin.

Your assertion of authority is thus ridiculous and laughable.
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| October 12, 2010, 8:19 pm
Quoting -> avalella
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQUpbkMkbU
Also, for those of us who actually put a good ammount of effort into insuring the quality of our mocs, I think your new "rule" is ret@rded. Just because you don't care about your mocs and can crank out (or have your friends) mocs and give them super stats doesn't mean everyone else needs to. Frankly I wouldn't be suprised if this gets deleted and/or I am banned, but I really needed to get this off my chest. It's not that your "minion" was just inactive, HE WASN'T EVEN PART OF THIS GROUP! Honestly dude, turn off spongebob for a second and realize that your the only one here that wants "imaginative" super de-dooperty mass produced multicolored garbage. I know you do put much effort into your work, and I'm in no position to force you to make huge bricklink orders, but at least have some respect for those of us who do, and not expect us to spend even more money trying to sustain mocs for many themes.

Um... I sort of don't have a clue what you just threw out there, probably due to the fact that it looks like a bunch of different sets of arguments, facts and evidence tangled together, so I'm just going to say this.

All I expect of this group's MOCs is this:

1- They are made (or purchased from another group member) FOR YOUR NATION specifically

2- You may use MOCs made for other groups UNLESS they pertain to a different real-world nation.

Rule number two there is really mostly there just to make sure you can't use random MOCs from other groups in this group; for example, using a UNE or COP vehicle. Just doesn't work out unless it is specifically stated that the MOC is made for both universes.

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| October 12, 2010, 8:27 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Cliffe not being an Admin is relevant because if he was an Admin, he could easily put in place a rule that wouldn't work with the general members of the group.

I work democratically, mah boi, if the other admins don't agree with it it feels too stup1d to put it into place anyway.
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| October 12, 2010, 8:29 pm
 Group admin 
@Cliffe: I know you made me an Admin. It was generous. I made you a Mod so you wouldn't kick ban people like you said you were. Ima make you an Admin here in a few days, because you became less insane. However, this rule has got to go. Let's say you had two groups, that were set in the same timeframe, but different universes. You'd want to use the same MOCs for both, because it's easier.
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| October 12, 2010, 8:39 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
@Cliffe: I know you made me an Admin. It was generous. I made you a Mod so you wouldn't kick ban people like you said you were. Ima make you an Admin here in a few days, because you became less insane. However, this rule has got to go. Let's say you had two groups, that were set in the same timeframe, but different universes. You'd want to use the same MOCs for both, because it's easier.

I would certainly allow that as long as those MOCs aren't for a different nation, because that just wouldn't make any sense, which ruins fun.
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| October 12, 2010, 8:56 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
It makes fine sense. If a MOC is modern military, and fits into the theme, it should be able to be used. Period.

What in the name of Seti I would Britain be doing owning the production rights of an AMERICAN main battle tank? Especially when the British have always had some of the best (if not the best tanks) in the world, plus the fact that they INVENTED the tank?
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| October 12, 2010, 9:30 pm
 Group admin 
I'm going with Nick and Awe here, Cliffe, you can't assert your tyrannical rules over people in this group. You're not the master of all of us, and being the creator doesn't give you the power to pass rules into affect designed specifically to hamper one player or one set of players.

Evan, you may use your MOCs for this group, I think its perfectly reasonable for Britain to be using vehicles based off of U.S. designs.

And Cliffe, if you have ideas of booting the three of us out of Admin positions and making rules to suit your own needs, just because we (me, Nick, and Awe) have the thoughts of the people in our heads, then you can assure yourself we won't restore you to Admin power until you calm down and get off your high horse.

By majority rules, counting Me, Awe, Nick, and Cliffe with the same status, Cliffe's rule is hereby overruled 3-to-1.
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| October 12, 2010, 9:31 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
What in the name of Seti I would Britain be doing owning the production rights of an AMERICAN main battle tank? Especially when the British have always had some of the best (if not the best tanks) in the world, plus the fact that they INVENTED the tank?


Please define the country of origin you refer to with American.
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| October 12, 2010, 9:33 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
What in the name of Seti I would Britain be doing owning the production rights of an AMERICAN main battle tank? Especially when the British have always had some of the best (if not the best tanks) in the world, plus the fact that they INVENTED the tank?

There is of yet no such M6 MBT in the American market, so Britain could just be using a similar design and reporting marks.
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| October 12, 2010, 9:33 pm
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As of today, the Kuwait War is officially over with the belligerents of both sides coming to the agreement of peace. The state of Kuwait will be granted to a France and its allies. However, the consequences of war cannot be undone whatsoever, but rather patched to some benefit. In suing for peace, France has honored that it will reimburse the former governance [Mesopotamian rule] for 1/3 of its losses in rapid succession of bill. Aside from that, it is expected for the former defense troops to be withdrawn shortly and a Franco-British occupation force to take their place.

If Cliffe would be so kind to confirm this, we may continue along.
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| October 12, 2010, 9:39 pm
is there going to be a CR tonight?
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| October 12, 2010, 9:48 pm
Quoting Thomas N
By majority rules, counting Me, Awe, Nick, and Cliffe with the same status, Cliffe's rule is hereby overruled 3-to-1.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!

Seriously, all you guys needed to do was assert your power as admins a little more immediately and I would have barely argued back. This was largely planned as a lesson, but I didn't expect you to back them up as well.

Still, I think it would be nice to have a real British tank in the group... :-/
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| October 12, 2010, 9:50 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
You'll find over the next few years as equipment ages, it will be replaced with equipment of mostly American design, to save money. I've read the Ministry of Defence's budget brief in Janes. Yes, I'm that kind of person. Built by BAE yes, which in fact is a mostly North American operating contractor now.

DEATH TO GLOBALISM.

Whether that applies or not, I really feel like saying it now as a reaction to the comment I am responding to.
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| October 12, 2010, 9:51 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
As of today, the Kuwait War is officially over with the belligerents of both sides coming to the agreement of peace. The state of Kuwait will be granted to a France and its allies. However, the consequences of war cannot be undone whatsoever, but rather patched to some benefit. In suing for peace, France has honored that it will reimburse the former governance [Mesopotamian rule] for 1/3 of its losses in rapid succession of bill. Aside from that, it is expected for the former defense troops to be withdrawn shortly and a Franco-British occupation force to take their place.

If Cliffe would be so kind to confirm this, we may continue along.

/confirm
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| October 12, 2010, 9:52 pm
 Group admin 
Combat Moderation:

Texas: with no sight of hind nor head of Gober for about a week now, I can safely say that the PCU forces advancing through Texan cities, as armed and untrained civilians begin to fall by the truckload. There should be no more hope left for the Texan movement, and therefore, I shall consider the war as good as done.

(I Gober wants to continue with this group, I would suggest we start him in Israel, as we have had it brought to attention that 2 people are already waiting on Argentina and Brazil.)

With the demise of Texan resistance, the U.A.C. also drops their charge of helping the Texans, and the PCU fleet waiting in the Gulf of Mexico can back off, knowing that the U.A.C. is no longer a threat.


Kuwait: as stated by Sponty above, the fighting is over, and Kuwait will become French.


Germany: The German Navy has taken a stronghold in its territorial waters, and it appears it shall stay that way. Also, the 400 some remaining Russian marines that were left surrendered, and have been taken to POW camps in the German interior.

Kaliningrad/German-place-name-I-can't-remember: Kyrsk 2.0 remains underway, with a significant reinforcement of older Russian style tanks from Finn coming to assist the T-101s of the I.R.A. However, superior quality to the older Russian tanks, the Germans are beginning to slow the pace of the Russian advance.

casualties as yet:

T-101s: low
Panzers: moderate
older Russian tanks: high

(The Russians continue to enjoy superiority in numbers.)


Africa: Algeria is rushing to repair damages done to its extensive array of SAM, while mobile SAM units move in to support damaged stationary ones, the remainder of the Algerian Air force has been moved to airfileds in Algeria's surrounding states (i.e. Mali).


Prusso-Egypt has also released pans, and started forces, for the invasion of Algeria. The numbers are provided in the context of the invasion force description, found here:

"An army of ten divisions of Macro War Chariots (which also include some brigades of Jackal Mobile Assault Guns, artillery battalions, GUNSHIP BRIGADES [don't forget those- gunship support is always available within the division] and such) and eight divisions of Hyper War Chariots plus an accompanying occupying force of three infantry divisions (more manpower than all of the armor divisions- ya always need a nice big infantry force for occupation) will cross through joint-protected Libya and invade Algeria. Six Macro War Chariot divisions, one Hyper War Chariot division and two infantry regiments will first cut off Algeria from Mali and Niger,creating a defensive line (with many Jackals and one entire Macro War Chariot division) along the border , then sweep around the large, desert-y majority of the nation, going along the roads, eliminating enemy resistance from insanely long range (as usual) and capturing cities and towns.

The rest of the forces (4 Macro War Chariot divisions, 7 Hyper War Chariot divisions, the rest of the infantry, don't forget about the hilos, yadda yadda yadda) will concentrate on the concentrated north. Lol. They will first cut the north off from the south by securing and forming lines along the road from Ghadamis to Beni Ounif. Then, they will push north towards Algiers, capturing cities and towns along the way."

Due to h immense size of this invasion force, it is still coping with logistical problems in crossing the Libyan desert, and has been picked up on Algerian radar, at the moment, Algeria is preparing its ground forces for battle, while the X-bombs allotted to Algeria are being put to great use firing long-range shots at the advancing Egyptians.
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| October 12, 2010, 9:56 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!

Seriously, all you guys needed to do was assert your power as admins a little more immediately and I would have barely argued back. This was largely planned as a lesson, but I didn't expect you to back them up as well.

Still, I think it would be nice to have a real British tank in the group... :-/

You have an annoying habit of pretending to be "joking" and "teaching us a lesson" after what seems to be a very real argument.

Frankly, I don't buy it, I think you're just trying to cover your tracks so you don't look bad in reflection.
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| October 12, 2010, 9:58 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Also, the 400,000 some remaining Russian marines that were left surrendered, and have been taken to POW camps in the German interior.
400,000 is wrong, there were less than 1,000 as per last combat report.

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| October 12, 2010, 10:04 pm
 Group admin 
With the conclusion of the War on Texas and the War on the SRGL, the PCU announces the end of hostilities between the nations. Memorials will be held in Portland for the fallen soldiers, and Texas will be integrated with the thoughts of the people in mind.

Also, the War in Alaska will be the main focus of the PCU.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:05 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Nick Shelton
With the conclusion of the War on Texas and the War on the SRGL, the PCU announces the end of hostilities between the nations. Memorials will be held in Portland for the fallen soldiers, and Texas will be integrated with the thoughts of the people in mind.

Also, the War in Alaska will be the main focus of the PCU.

India extends to its ally the PCU a hearty congratulations on the ending of hostilities. A couple weeks delayed for the SRGL, and now for Texas. While India could not help in Texas due to an ally's presence there, your kindness and support during our combined operations against the SRGL and Prusso-Egypt is greatly appreciated.

And, if some of UAC's men were captured (if they hadn't already left), India would like to plead their case and request immediate transport home along with their equipment. Provided by us, if necessary. Thank you.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:21 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Well, the T-100's are newer, like the T-101's
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