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International Conversation Forum XXXII
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Here we go, 32.
-PCU at peace (exception being Alaska)
-Kuwait now controlled by France
-War between Dawn and Cliffe continues
-Cliffe launches ridiculously large invasion of Algeria


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| October 12, 2010, 10:11 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

-Cliffe launches ridiculously large invasion of Algeria


which will be annihilated in the desert.
I love India.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:13 pm
Cliffe just violated our agreement.
I feel like it's the Germans invading that neutral-buffer zone nation all over again.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:17 pm
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The invasion of the Suez, Oman, and Yemen will not be tolerated.

Invasions of Algeria or the USCA will not be taken. However, PCU troops based in the Suez will attack USCA troops if they near those areas.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:20 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

How's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDasPSBMms
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| October 12, 2010, 10:29 pm
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Finn, you earn a facepalm yet again.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:38 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Finn, you earn a facepalm yet again.

How so?
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| October 12, 2010, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
How so?


By saying they all sound like Iron Maiden.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:40 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

By saying they all sound like Iron Maiden.

Not all of them, the first few. I didn't mean it like that...

>:[
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| October 12, 2010, 10:42 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Not all of them, the first few. I didn't mean it like that...

>:[


I'd say Iron Maiden sounds like Judas Priest, if you catch my drift. And Riot? Not really, seeing as they're an american band.
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| October 12, 2010, 10:49 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'd say Iron Maiden sounds like Judas Priest, if you catch my drift. And Riot? Not really, seeing as they're an american band.

Well, it did sound a bit like it in the beginning. Anyway
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| October 12, 2010, 11:01 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I love India.

Thank you!

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| October 12, 2010, 11:01 pm
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I can only assume because it was not mentioned, my securing of western Syria is now complete and, well, secure. Re-building of any damages done will commence in a week, in the mean time, a new administration will need to be drafted from the locals.

@Tom about Gober in Israel: It's not a good idea. There's a reason why I continued my advance beyond Damascus.
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| October 12, 2010, 11:16 pm
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Oh, and before I forget: Now that France is offering peace terms to Prusso-Egypt, I am prepared for an armistice as well. Here is my proposal of borders: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5077399016/
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| October 12, 2010, 11:21 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

How's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDasPSBMms

Strings + guitar ...
:3 oh yusss
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| October 12, 2010, 11:41 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

Now that the mess in Texas is cleared up, the UAC would like to propose a no-fire agreement with the PCU, stating that neither country will assault the other beyond reasonable measures. (Reasonable measures meaning if I attack your buddies, you can attack me or vice versa.)

Also, would you mind clarifying what exactly you meant reffering to an invasion of the Suez, Yemen and Oman? If it's something that I must be concerned about, I'd like to know as soon as possible.

Thank ye, thank ye. *bows*
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| October 13, 2010, 12:42 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
Also, would you mind clarifying what exactly you meant reffering to an invasion of the Suez, Yemen and Oman? If it's something that I must be concerned about, I'd like to know as soon as possible.

Thank ye, thank ye. *bows*

This is one tangled group, but our agreement is clear. If anyone tries anything with you, all of the IOA will be there in less than 24 hours to assist you.
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| October 13, 2010, 12:47 am
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Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Thomas N
Also, the 400,000 some remaining Russian marines that were left surrendered, and have been taken to POW camps in the German interior.
400,000 is wrong, there were less than 1,000 as per last combat report.

whoops, I must have added too many zeros... I meant 400.
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| October 13, 2010, 7:57 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I can only assume because it was not mentioned, my securing of western Syria is now complete and, well, secure. Re-building of any damages done will commence in a week, in the mean time, a new administration will need to be drafted from the locals.

@Tom about Gober in Israel: It's not a good idea. There's a reason why I continued my advance beyond Damascus.

Alright, no Gober in Israel, I would however like Israel to remain open for another player, unless you've already invaded, because I don't know where Damascus is...
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| October 13, 2010, 7:59 am
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Now that things have calmed down a little, I will move to official business. They 5 Hydras that are currently under construction are nearing 50% completion. Since the last update, another two squadrons worth of pilots have been trained to make maximum use of the F35P. SAMs and AA are being prepositioned around military bases, fortifications, and especially the vulnerable shipyards. This should adequately protect Finland from surprise attack.

I would like to make a non-agression pact and have open borders with our good neighbors, the IRA. I desire to increase inter-nation trade and travel.

By this time, all old BMPs in service have been phased out for the C220 Lynx.
Finnish designers have begun design work on a true cruiser, but the ETA for completion is still unknown.
Finnish forces in our part of Kenya have been ordered out of our bases in order to increase popularity with the locals who had more-or-less no say in our base there. We desire to bring our part of Kenya to at least a 2nd world contry within a year.
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| October 13, 2010, 8:45 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
However, PCU troops based in the Suez will attack USCA troops if they near those areas.

Where in the Suez are your troops based, just out of curiousity? As far as I knew Cliffe had complete control of the canal.

On a different note un-related to anyone, Garcia Airfraft Industries is opening a new plant on the Persian Gulf. It is powered by nuclear generators, wind turbans and solar panels and has nearly twice the former production capability at slightly over half the average power useage. Also, Garcia Aircraft Industires is now researching to design our own missiles and software, as well as thermal-imaging guided bombs and ATGMs.
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| October 13, 2010, 2:53 pm
I'm just wondering how Cliffe is getting away with marching 650,000 troops and equipment over Libya and Tunusia (a country with extremely poor roads and infrastructure, and terrible terrain. I hope they enjoy some ballistic missiles.
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| October 13, 2010, 3:29 pm
I'm tierd of this war. FM me your terms of peace cliffe. I have a terrible cold and I'm in no mood to fight.
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| October 13, 2010, 4:17 pm
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Forgive my multiple posting, but I forgot to mention that the UAC will be providing air support to India in the invasion of China. UAH-1s, AH-1s, Tu-225s and an array of fighter planes will be sent, exact numbers to be determined later.
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| October 13, 2010, 4:19 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Alright, no Gober in Israel, I would however like Israel to remain open for another player, unless you've already invaded, because I don't know where Damascus is...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus

As for Israel remaining open for another player...

Yea, how about no.

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| October 13, 2010, 4:22 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
marching 650,000 troop will have to be completed along the small road network along the coast areas, due to a huge lack of infrastructure deeper into the desert.


If you're talking to me, I don't plan on using 650,000 troops to take out Israel. I could do it with far less.

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| October 13, 2010, 4:50 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
marching 650,000 troop will have to be completed along the small road network along the coast areas, due to a huge lack of infrastructure deeper into the desert.

But that would ruin all of his plans.
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| October 13, 2010, 4:51 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

If you're talking to me, I don't plan on using 650,000 troops to take out Israel. I could do it with far less.
Awe i need to meet you in the trading topic.

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| October 13, 2010, 4:55 pm
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Quoting Glenn Streeter
Awe i need to meet you in the trading topic.


Yes, I saw it.
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| October 13, 2010, 4:57 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
We desire to bring our part of Kenya to at least a 2nd world contry within a year.

You're introducing Communism?
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| October 13, 2010, 5:48 pm
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We are proud to announce several things!

First, after an agreement with Mr. Jack Ford over Flickrmail, we have now acquired control over the island of Bahrain. (This agreement actually happened a while ago, but in my laziness I forgot to mention it for many weeks...)

The oil reserves in the Gulf around the island will go into great use for Oil based vehicles used both commercially and militarily across Oceania. We will set up Oil Trains, which feature sevral supertankers, loaded at offshore oil rigs in the Bahrain area, escorted by the one OHP Frigate and two missile Corvettes of the former Bahrain Navy. These "Oil Trains" will cross the Ocean bringing oil to The central Oceanian states, safely under escort by the smaller ships.


Also, we are taking o more active interest in submarine warfare:

We are proud to announce the the third of our first five "Mako" AMB subs has been christened, and will join the previous two.

And our small-but-effective LAS-1s received a ten foot size increase to accommodate our newly designed smaller nuclear turbine engine. Which accommodates the space of the previous Diesel electric turbine engines, plus the extra ten feet.


On note of army vehicle upgrades: we will be adding another 110 former Bahraini M113 to the 1,410 already slated for upgrade, bringing the total to 1,520.

our MTH-2s and MPV-2s will start the conversion process to the newly-designed MTH-3s and MPV-3s. Some of the MPV-2s and MTH-2s that will not undergo conversion, will be replaced with new model MPV-3s and MTH-3s, with the old ones being sent to the OAfD defense forces.

Other conversion of HUMVEEs and AS/NZLAVs will continue as planned.


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| October 13, 2010, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

I was looking through the statistics page and noticed that you haven't placed the aircraft I sold to you there. Several months back we made an arrangement in which I recieved ships and gave you aircraft and money. I have added the ships to my stats already, so the aircraft are yours to take.

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| October 13, 2010, 6:50 pm
Developement of TFAD is well underway, and prototypes are expected late by the end of the week. A tracking system is being developed to upgrade all armoured vehicles that prooved sub-par in targetting the fast Egyptian Chariots during the first invasion. We expect this minor upgrade to be complete by early next week.
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| October 13, 2010, 7:02 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Thomas N

I was looking through the statistics page and noticed that you haven't placed the aircraft I sold to you there. Several months back we made an arrangement in which I recieved ships and gave you aircraft and money. I have added the ships to my stats already, so the aircraft are yours to take.

Strange, I remember putting my 84 Tu-225 and 100 of those UAVs in there. Thank you though!
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| October 13, 2010, 7:07 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Developement of TFAD is well underway, and prototypes are expected late by the end of the week. A tracking system is being developed to upgrade all armoured vehicles that prooved sub-par in targetting the fast Egyptian Chariots during the first invasion. We expect this minor upgrade to be complete by early next week.

Would you like me to send some engineers over to help?
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| October 13, 2010, 7:08 pm
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France would like to acknowledge that an exchange of 24 AMBT Mk.IIs for 24 F-111s from Oceania is underway. The F-111s will be examined, repaired, and upgraded. The upgrades for the planes include: a new powerplant; newer avionics; larger fuel tanks; and things of that nature. Further upgrades will be conducted at a later date once finalization has occurred.

Also, the upgrades upon previous AMBT series to make them into Mk.IVs are nearing half-completion. Most of the current Mk.IIs will be converted to this new mark as to reduce costs. The new variant will be released to the public eye shortly [although the changes are minimal].
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| October 13, 2010, 7:25 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Strange, I remember putting my 84 Tu-225 and 100 of those UAVs in there. Thank you though!

I may have just missed them. I do that a lot... =/
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| October 13, 2010, 7:33 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Would you like me to send some engineers over to help?

Yes please.
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| October 13, 2010, 7:50 pm
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The PCU is 5/16 done with the SRGL integration, and 40% on Texas Integration.
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| October 13, 2010, 8:29 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU is 5/16 done with the SRGL integration, and 40% on Texas Integration.


And by 40% integrated, you mean convincing the civvies to put down their pitchforks and torches?
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| October 13, 2010, 8:57 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And by 40% integrated, you mean convincing the civvies to put down their pitchforks and torches?

That, and having them come to their local PCU garrison and get their citizenship renewed.
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| October 13, 2010, 8:59 pm
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@Jack Ford: I've been making a typo this whole time. When I meant Suez, I meant the Sinai as a whole. My bad.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:11 pm
Quoting Jake H.
which will be annihilated in the desert.
I love India.

How, exactly?
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| October 13, 2010, 9:25 pm
I would just like to remind peoples that my Macro War Chariots can fire many different types of long-range two-stage projectiles, including ones that can target incoming air hostilities (although not high-altitude bombers or fighters, of course). Those big ol' X-bombs should be a pretty easy target.

Plus, air support. An X-bomb is just like a training drone to a Hyperfalcon. Seriously, it's the same exact shape and size as a target drone, and even behaves the same when pilots are being trained to shoot down such objects as cruise missiles. And our pilots are certainly trained to do such.

And yeah... I believe I still have total air superiority.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:30 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Developement of TFAD is well underway, and prototypes are expected late by the end of the week. A tracking system is being developed to upgrade all armoured vehicles that prooved sub-par in targetting the fast Egyptian Chariots during the first invasion. We expect this minor upgrade to be complete by early next week.

Were we going to make a peace treaty, or was that just a result of your fatigue?
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| October 13, 2010, 9:32 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I would just like to remind peoples that my Macro War Chariots can fire many different types of long-range two-stage projectiles, including ones that can target incoming air hostilities (although not high-altitude bombers or fighters, of course). Those big ol' X-bombs should be a pretty easy target.

Plus, air support. An X-bomb is just like a training drone to a Hyperfalcon. Seriously, it's the same exact shape and size as a target drone, and even behaves the same when pilots are being trained to shoot down such objects as cruise missiles. And our pilots are certainly trained to do such.

And yeah... I believe I still have total air superiority.

the most you could get out of those would be a 20 mile guided missile.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:36 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Archer MK II>Macro War Chariot
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| October 13, 2010, 9:37 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
marching 650,000 troop will have to be completed along the small road network along the coast areas, due to a huge lack of infrastructure deeper into the desert.

Our vehicles are made for the desert- we're Egyptians. We know the desert.

In fact on our way to Algeria we're not even using roads, we're just following a due course out to Algeria using modern navigation, which is more than sufficient.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:41 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Archer MK II>Macro War Chariot

HeII no. The Macro War Chariot fires a shell from a recoilless gun, which has pretty great range already. Then, when the shell's simple computer detects a natural altitude drop, it immediately ignites its rocket motor and becomes a missile, therefore increasing the range and power an absolutely ridiculous amount.

It's a record-breaking design, I'm certain, and no, it isn't expensive. Not as expensive as even a standard air-to-air missile.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:44 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Our vehicles are made for the desert- we're Egyptians. We know the desert.

In fact on our way to Algeria we're not even using roads, we're just following a due course out to Algeria using modern navigation, which is more than sufficient.

that's unrealistic.
what about supplies?
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| October 13, 2010, 9:44 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
HeII no. The Macro War Chariot fires a shell from a recoilless gun, which has pretty great range already. Then, when the shell's simple computer detects a natural altitude drop, it immediately ignites its rocket motor and becomes a missile, therefore increasing the range and power an absolutely ridiculous amount.

It's a record-breaking design, I'm certain, and no, it isn't expensive. Not as expensive as even a standard air-to-air missile.

that's what my gun does.
only it was designed for firing from extreme range.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:46 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
that's unrealistic.
what about supplies?


Indeed. It takes hundreds, if not thousands of vehicles to keep our force in Afghanistan supplied. Cliffe's army will need support too.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:47 pm
Quoting Jake H.
that's unrealistic.
what about supplies?

Care to elaborate?

Supplies? Trailers, towed by special variants of the Macro War Chariot (basically the same as the APC variant of it). Basically a train in the desert without tracks. Very efficient, very effective. Thank ye gods for good suspension...
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| October 13, 2010, 9:52 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Care to elaborate?

Supplies? Trailers, towed by special variants of the Macro War Chariot (basically the same as the APC variant of it). Basically a train in the desert without tracks. Very efficient, very effective. Thank ye gods for good suspension...

what happens when they get hit by a missile?
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| October 13, 2010, 9:54 pm
I believe I have made serious errors when conveying my troop numbers to Tom. Mostly being the fact that I apparently actually have no clue as to the average size of contemporary armies.

If someone like Doc or Evan would be so kind to explain how many divisions or whatnot usually make up an "army" and how many are usually used as an invading force, it would be extremely highly appreciated.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:55 pm
Quoting Jake H.
what happens when they get hit by a missile?

They don't, the Hyperfalcons and/or Macro War Chariots and/or Jackal Mobile Assault Guns and/or conventional AA shoot it down.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:57 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
They don't, the Hyperfalcons and/or Macro War Chariots and/or Jackal Mobile Assault Guns and/or conventional AA shoot it down.

eh
we'll have to see what Tom says.
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| October 13, 2010, 9:58 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
They don't, the Hyperfalcons and/or Macro War Chariots and/or Jackal Mobile Assault Guns and/or conventional AA shoot it down.


No way can plane shoot down a missile, especially a ground launched anti-tank missile.

That is what we're talking about, right?

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| October 13, 2010, 9:58 pm
I have decided to make an elite branch of my military, now being called: the "Kinzhál"

Will be a ruthless orginization. Will probably have over a 100,000


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| October 13, 2010, 10:01 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Cliffe, I don't care how special you think your forces are, but there is no way you can logistically put 650,000 combat troops across a blank desert without double as many support staff. More like quadruple that support staff. You also have to defend from the Roman attack in the north, and keep troops in the Sudan. I'm sorry but that number is unrealistic.

Also, an artillery system will have much greater range then your chariots, as they are basically top heavy tanks on wheels, so yes. His archers, being artillery, can reach out and touch your chariots before you can do likewise.

Did you even listen to a single word I said in my explanation of how the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and its projectiles operate? It seems to me you're just ignoring that and calling it names (top-heavy tank on wheels) like an elementary school bully.

They actually aren't top heavy at all, they have a large hydrogen fuel cell turbo-cycler engine plus the magnetic auto-loading system plus the ammunition PLUS the advanced computer hardware all in the main hull of the vehicle, while on top is a steel tube with a magnetic breech and a firing pin. Not very heavy at all compared to what's in the vehicle.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:01 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

No way can plane shoot down a missile, especially a ground launched anti-tank missile.

That is what we're talking about, right?

small cheap cruise missile actually.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:03 pm
where's Tom?
I have to go to bed.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
I have decided to make an elite branch of my military, now being called: the "Kinzhál"

Will be a ruthless orginization. Will probably have over a 1,000,000


One million men is an awfully large number for an "elite" branch. May want to knock a few zeros off before you bankrupt your defense budget.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
One million men is an awfully large number for an "elite" branch. May want to knock a few zeros off before you bankrupt your defense budget.


If people went bankrupt in this group, Finn would have done so long ago.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:06 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
One million men is an awfully large number for an "elite" branch. May want to knock a few zeros off before you bankrupt your defense budget.

>.>
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| October 13, 2010, 10:07 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
First thing you need to do is go on wikipedia and find out how many forces Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Ethiopia, Djubuti, etc, can realistically field. Maybe bump it up a few ten thousand because you have brought said land more up to snuff to the modern world.

It depends how you organize your levels. Wiki has a good article on military organization. I follow the British regimental system, meaning my main unit is a 3000 strong Regiment, be it armor, infantry, etc. Two regiments in a brigade, for 6000. Three brigades in a standard division, for 18000.

Honestly, I can't tell you how many troops you can field. You need to figure out how many troops both the German and Egyptian sides can realistically field, determine where they all are, analyze your resources, and deploy accordingly.

I've already got it perfectly down with my German forces thanks to the Wehrmacht- I love using them as a base for how many forces I can field, with a modern twist.

In Egypt, I think I may go with a sort of regimental system in place of divisions, especially when it comes to war chariots. This could make things much easier, as I always remembered there being about 2000-3000 in a regiment.

Another problem is, though, determining the inner structure of regiments, such as different brigades, battalions, and finally companies, for most types of units have accompanying forces of different types within the unit, such as infantry, artillery, helicopters, recon, or whatever.

Let's see what you think of this while I go change my numbers of troops being sent to Algeria.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:07 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Did you even listen to a single word I said in my explanation of how the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and its projectiles operate? It seems to me you're just ignoring that and calling it names (top-heavy tank on wheels) like an elementary school bully.

They actually aren't top heavy at all, they have a large hydrogen fuel cell turbo-cycler engine plus the magnetic auto-loading system plus the ammunition PLUS the advanced computer hardware all in the main hull of the vehicle, while on top is a steel tube with a magnetic breech and a firing pin. Not very heavy at all compared to what's in the vehicle.


Like you mentioned Cliffe, Elementary is a word which i will call this argument. What, may I ask is a "hydrogen fuel cell turbo-cycler." And explain to me how your magnets can reload a gun/ rocket launcher, or even how the ammunition is supplied to the main gun. I would call BS on the ammunition but I will let it slide, but unlike what you have mentioned prior, it would be extremely expensive.

I cannot discredit the advanced electronics, as that is rapidly evolving today.

Moving onto your logistics issue, as I noted on Flickr, your Macro War Chariot has very low clearance, and hence, would be terrible in the desert.

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| October 13, 2010, 10:09 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
First thing you need to do is go on wikipedia and find out how many forces Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Ethiopia, Djubuti, etc, can realistically field. Maybe bump it up a few ten thousand because you have brought said land more up to snuff to the modern world.

It depends how you organize your levels. Wiki has a good article on military organization. I follow the British regimental system, meaning my main unit is a 3000 strong Regiment, be it armor, infantry, etc. Two regiments in a brigade, for 6000. Three brigades in a standard division, for 18000.

Honestly, I can't tell you how many troops you can field. You need to figure out how many troops both the German and Egyptian sides can realistically field, determine where they all are, analyze your resources, and deploy accordingly.

You also need to take into account if you use conscription, to get a large force. Egypt alone fields a total army strength of 450,000 men (remember only about 25-30% of any number of troops shown in this group is probably ACTUAL combat troops), but all of this is low quality, low morale conscripts. Conscripts tend to work well in national emergencies, such as why Israel uses it, but you can't just raise 2 million draftees, and expect them to fight well.

Also, you describe having 3000 units in a regiment of infantry OR armor- this is another problem of mine. It doesn't quite make sense to me to have 3000 individual soldiers in an infantry regiment then to have 3000 individual tanks in an armored regiment... or wait... maybe it does.

I just confuzzled myself.

Previously I was concerned with balance... but I think it all plays out when in comes to organizing things INSIDE of divisions...

Hm...
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| October 13, 2010, 10:12 pm
Will there be a CR tonight?
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| October 13, 2010, 10:17 pm
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Correction: Every able bodied citizen is technically a soldier of the Israeli military, they still train every several months off duty, and morale is extremely high now(No suicide bombings in two years does that). Their problem is that the soldiers are a bit too tight, and casualties have more of an affect to them. All according to veterans.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:30 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Well right off the bat, looking at your new chariot on Flickr I see a few problems.

Your recoilles rifle idea is interesting yes, but in practice will have a hard time working for two reasons. First, the concept of the RR itself is a good one, and is rather effective too. However, because to get the no recoil effect, the gun itself has no back. Stuff the shell in and go go go. Because of the flames shooting out of the well...lack of a breech of the rifle, recoilless rifles, after a number of shots (especially at a tank-calibre gun) the barrel basically blows itself up. It can't handle the stress. A recoilless rifle that can handle the number of shots needed for a tank, on a regular basis will be something that will be VERY hard to mass produce in any significant quality. This is why pretty much all large scale use of RR's have been abandoned, it's just not worth the cost to keep replacing them.

Second, you say it won't be expensive. Actually, it will. You are basically instead of launching a simple shell, you're always shooting a guided missile, even if it is delayed. You'll get range yes, but ever single shell needs to have a computer inside of it, and a guided AT missile attached to it. Even if it's half the price of an anti-air missile like you say (I think), you are going to bankrupt yourself making these "smart shells" alone.

Third, the construction of the vehicle, the center of gravity is very high up, as with your Hyper WC. The Macro WC will not be able to get to any high speed because of it's lumbering shape, and if it tries to take a turn, it will have to slow down almost to a crawl to do it. The four wheel setup will also be very detrimental to combat in the desert.

Just my views after a quick look-at of it.

The recoilless gun actually does have a hollow back AND a breech, the breech is on the bottom.

As far as cost goes, Egyptians are the new masters of software. Like I've said, it's simple, rugged, yet highly advanced. All things not necessary to guide the projectile are weeded out, unlike most other contemporary guided missiles (trust me, I've actually done my research). Air-to-air missiles are much more expensive due to the types of maneuvers they have to employ to hit their target, and the intensity of them. The maneuvers made by these projectiles are extremely simple course corrections, and can be done with the simple twitching of fins.

Plus, there's also the camera-guided and laser-guided missiles, which are cheaper, although laser designation isn't always easy to come by.

I still don't see this high center of gravity quite clearly, on the Macro WC the recoilless gun is... hollow... so it should be a heII of a lot lighter than the rest of the vehicle. The vehilce's hardware runs all along the bottom of the vehicle, the engine is in the middle-front-bottom, and the huge auto-loader in the back-bottom. Everything is weighing the vehicle down to the ground, nothing is capable of pulling it over, gravitationally.

As far as the clearance of the vehicle goes...

It's desert.

It's flat.

I don't see the problem.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:35 pm
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If anyone would care to check out the organizing of my conquered territories militaries, I'd be very happy. Wanna make sure they're realistic and all. Check my statistics post.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:35 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
First thing you need to do is go on wikipedia and find out how many forces Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Ethiopia, Djubuti, etc,

excuse me, Djibouti is mine.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:35 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Three thousand people in the regiment. For an infantry one, a much higher ration of it will actually be combat troops. An armored regiment, not so much. Remember, it includes all support vehicles too.

Just some rough math, an armored regiment of mine would be about 160 tanks (or whatever other armored vehicles there would be, like APC's, IFV's, etc.), or about 480 tank crewmen. The rest are support, and some attached infantry.

So say round it, 3000 people, 180 or so combat vehicles of all types, 3 crew a pop for both IFV's and M6A1's, and you get ~540 combat crew, and maybe 800ish infantry for the APC's/IFV's. That's less then half being actual combat troops.

Once you get to division size, the percentage of actual combat troops continues to decline, as more and more is shuffled into logistics.

I see...

Thank ye very much, I understand much better now.

But here's where I got most of my inspiration from, in case you wanted to see. It provides wondrous information on the organization of the Wehrmacht.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/divis.htm
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| October 13, 2010, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
As far as the clearance of the vehicle goes...

It's desert.

It's flat.

I don't see the problem.


A desert is full of sand, and wheels are not exactly the best means of getting through that, especially at speed.

Deserts are not necessarily flat, and they have dunes, and even if it is, said sand will slow down all wheeled units considerably.

Low clearance means that it gets bogged by the sand easier, and cannot navigate dunes or other obstacles.

I see a major problem, and I only bring this up because not only were your numbers inflated, but the units that you committed for this battle are pretty much the worst that you could have deployed: wheeled vehicles with low ground clearance.

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| October 13, 2010, 10:39 pm
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No combat report tonight, I've only gotten FMs from two people, both on the same side of the war, I need something from the other side to begin.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
No combat report tonight, I've only gotten FMs from two people, both on the same side of the war, I need something from the other side to begin.


While your philosophy may be different from mine, I don't feel that its fair for a single belligerent to have to wait for the other- all the better for the person who sent you plans. Attack them while unprepared. If one side doesn't get you plans, they clearly could care less about the war.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:47 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

A desert is full of sand, and wheels are not exactly the best means of getting through that, especially at speed.

Deserts are not necessarily flat, and they have dunes, and even if it is, said sand will slow down all wheeled units considerably.

Low clearance means that it gets bogged by the sand easier, and cannot navigate dunes or other obstacles.

I see a major problem, and I only bring this up because not only were your numbers inflated, but the units that you committed for this battle are pretty much the worst that you could have deployed: wheeled vehicles with low ground clearance.

How do dune buggys work, I wonder?
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| October 13, 2010, 10:52 pm
Quoting Thomas N
No combat report tonight, I've only gotten FMs from two people, both on the same side of the war, I need something from the other side to begin.

Sorry about that Tom, I was busy tonight, and I might not have one for ye tomorrow, but I'll see what I can do.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:53 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How do dune buggys work, I wonder?


Your chariots (especially the Macro) =/= dune buggies. Dune buggies work because they are EXTREMELY LIGHT, and thus require less energy to move forward. They don't get bogged down due to their light weight. Your Macro War Chariot looks to be the size of an MBT. Its wheels will literally just spin in the sand.
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| October 13, 2010, 10:54 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Your chariots (especially the Macro) =/= dune buggies. Dune buggies work because they are EXTREMELY LIGHT, and thus require less energy to move forward. They don't get bogged down due to their light weight. Your Macro War Chariot looks to be the size of an MBT. Its wheels will literally just spin in the sand.

AKA, time to bring in bajillions of Warthogs and Mongeese.

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| October 13, 2010, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Those big ol' X-bombs should be a pretty easy target.

Plus, air support. An X-bomb is just like a training drone to a Hyperfalcon. Seriously, it's the same exact shape and size as a target drone, and even behaves the same when pilots are being trained to shoot down such objects as cruise missiles. And our pilots are certainly trained to do such.

Funny, they worked wonders before. Ever wonder why you're missing a few platoons on the USCA front? Yeah, that was just two of them...

Jake, you may wish to remind the CM of their effectiveness per Evan M.
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| October 13, 2010, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

No way can plane shoot down a missile, especially a ground launched anti-tank missile.

That is what we're talking about, right?


Not to butt in and interupt, but airplanes can shoot down missiles. A cruise missile is a relatively easy target for a plane, provided the plane has fast-flying highly accurate missiles. The Russian-built R-77 was proven to be able to shoot down other old Soviet air-to-air missiles from the side in testing. (Note that in testing means the shot is set up. Being able to shoot down air to air missiles in combat is in no way realistic.) Shooting down a large missile is no problem for 2030 technology, provided the missiles are large missiles such as SCUDs or Cruise missiles.
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| October 14, 2010, 1:11 am
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Quoting Thomas N
And our small-but-effective LAS-1s received a ten foot size increase to accommodate our newly designed smaller nuclear turbine engine. Which accommodates the space of the previous Diesel electric turbine engines, plus the extra ten feet.

India would like to receive the specifications for this newer engine to upgrade/refit our fleet. Thank you.
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| October 14, 2010, 12:02 pm
Quoting Thomas N
No combat report tonight, I've only gotten FMs from two people, both on the same side of the war, I need something from the other side to begin.

Whaaaat...



Like Matt said that's unfair...
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| October 14, 2010, 4:22 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
As far as the clearance of the vehicle goes...
It's desert.
It's flat.

Two words: Sand dune.
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| October 14, 2010, 4:27 pm
Quoting Jack Ford

Not to butt in and interupt, but airplanes can shoot down missiles. A cruise missile is a relatively easy target for a plane, provided the plane has fast-flying highly accurate missiles. The Russian-built R-77 was proven to be able to shoot down other old Soviet air-to-air missiles from the side in testing. (Note that in testing means the shot is set up. Being able to shoot down air to air missiles in combat is in no way realistic.) Shooting down a large missile is no problem for 2030 technology, provided the missiles are large missiles such as SCUDs or Cruise missiles.

these are much smaller...
and as Cliffe just said, his missiles are incapable of all but the simplest of maneuvers.
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| October 14, 2010, 5:30 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I need something from the other side to begin.

not really...

/looks at Cliffe
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| October 14, 2010, 5:31 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
India would like to receive the specifications for this newer engine to upgrade/refit our fleet. Thank you.

No worries, we're forwarding that to you at the moment.
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| October 14, 2010, 5:34 pm
Quoting Jake H.
not really...

/looks at Cliffe

/stares at Jake whist playing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_nTffFWHk
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| October 14, 2010, 5:45 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
/stares at Jake whist playing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_nTffFWHk

/stares back in awe...


WHERE do you find this stuff?
it's soooo epic
:3
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| October 14, 2010, 5:48 pm

is that a viola playing?
I should be able to tell ... but I can't.

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| October 14, 2010, 5:52 pm
Quoting Jake H.
is that a viola playing?
I should be able to tell ... but I can't.

It's a Cello. They play Cellos, look up "Somewhere around nothing" on Youtube
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| October 14, 2010, 5:59 pm
Quoting Jake H.
/stares back in awe...


WHERE do you find this stuff?
it's soooo epic
:3

I have my ways...

>.>

<.<
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| October 14, 2010, 6:00 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
It's a Cello. They play Cellos, look up "Somewhere around nothing" on Youtube

Ah, the violas basically a miniature cello, and with them playing so high it was hard to tell.
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| October 14, 2010, 6:06 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Ah, the violas basically a miniature cello, and with them playing so high it was hard to tell.

Ah
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| October 14, 2010, 6:08 pm
Aaaaannnnnd, back in Mongolia, the esteemed leader has returned from his journey of musical enlightenment.
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| October 14, 2010, 6:15 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
No worries, we're forwarding that to you at the moment.

Danke!
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| October 14, 2010, 6:43 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Aaaaannnnnd, back in Mongolia, the esteemed leader has returned from his journey of musical enlightenment.


Welcome home, Dear Leader.

>.>
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| October 14, 2010, 6:47 pm
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Whilst still heavily engaged in China, India is moving forward with the plans for assimilation to make the process go more smoothly. Already, captured civilians in occupied areas have been relocated to prefabricated housing in several areas of India. They are being treated with the utmost care and given medical examinations and medical treatment if needed. Their possessions are being shipped with them, so they have few complaints outside of having been conquered...

A rather prominent civilian power company is building three nuclear power facilities; jump-started by Nigeria's Uranium in trade for Indian goods. They should free up coal and oil reserves for broader civil and military use. Their locations will remain classified, if y'all don't mind.

Production of the F-2 'Raytage' is coming along just fine. Three electric components have been replaced and the design changed due to feedback from F-2 pilots in China. The F-3 'Aardvark' development is continuing as well (the acquired Oceanian design), test pilots have fallen in love with what they consider a solid, nearly flawless aircraft that runs like a race horse. It will serve as a front-line strike fighter for many years.

And, even though the ASULT and Ratel are nice, India needed a better utility vehicle for general transport. The R47 Small, Artillery Tractor (SAT) is going into production (I should have it posted later tonight). For those interested, it will sell internationally for a small price of $38,000. Yeah, pretty cheap.
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| October 14, 2010, 7:00 pm
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Operation "Oil Train" is now in the logistical process.

Basically, I'm sending elements of the former Thai Navy (The O.N.S. Chakri Naruebet and nine corvettes, for which I have no other use,) to the naval base in Bahrain, where the will join two other corvettes.

These ships will provide a defense force for Oil rigs of owned by both Oceania and the U.A.C. in the Persian Gulf. Ounce there, these ten ships, along with 8 harriers and 20 helicopters, plus some marines, will for the PGNG (Persian Gulf Naval Guard) this tactical element of the Oceanian armed force will be charged with protecting ports and oil rigs owned by the AIO in the Gulf.

We would also like to extend benefits of this force to oil rigs owned by British UAE and French Kuwait, if they are interested.
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| October 14, 2010, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
these are much smaller...
and as Cliffe just said, his missiles are incapable of all but the simplest of maneuvers.

I see. I was just pointing out that some missiles can be shot down. It seems odd to me that Cliffe claims to have the best aircraft that fire the worst missiles... but anyway, to each his own.
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| October 14, 2010, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The F-3 'Aardvark' development is continuing as well (the acquired Oceanian design), test pilots have fallen in love with what they consider a solid, nearly flawless aircraft that runs like a race horse. It will serve as a front-line strike fighter for many years.

Awww, you're so sweet <3
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| October 14, 2010, 7:03 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
I see. I was just pointing out that some missiles can be shot down. It seems odd to me that Cliffe claims to have the best aircraft that fire the worst missiles... but anyway, to each his own.

No, it's my missiles he's bragging about being able to shoot down. Well, Indian manufactured, I should say. But I think the CM will see through some of his claims.

Quoting Jake H.
not really...

/looks at Cliffe

Don't forget, the 'X' is not only Mach capable (in a dive), but carries rudimentary countermeasures (flares, chaff) and has 3 pre-programmed evasive maneuvers (basic jinking).
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| October 14, 2010, 7:04 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Welcome home, Dear Leader.

>.>

Just no trumpet fanfare please. I had to sit right in front of the trumpet section for 4.5 hours yesterday.

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| October 14, 2010, 7:05 pm
Quoting Jake H.
The violas basically a miniature cello.

I have a friend that plays viola.... I thought it was kind of like a violin.
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| October 14, 2010, 7:31 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
I have a friend that plays viola.... I thought it was kind of like a violin.

It's played like a violin, but it has all the same strings as a cello.
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| October 14, 2010, 7:35 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
No, it's my missiles he's bragging about being able to shoot down. Well, Indian manufactured, I should say. But I think the CM will see through some of his claims.

Speaking of missiles, can you refresh my memory as to the terms of our agreement a while back? Just after conquering China, I recall, you obtained a couple of adaptable missile systems from me for testing. I just can't remember exactly what the arrangements were.
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| October 14, 2010, 7:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


I didn't trade Uranium it was cash. <.<

unless there is another person that owns Nigeria...
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| October 14, 2010, 7:53 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Quoting Ultramarine .


I didn't trade Uranium it was cash. <.<

unless there is another person that owns Nigeria...

he meant Algeria...
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| October 14, 2010, 7:57 pm
-About 60% of the States now have access to clean water
-Farming has begun a turn to the better
-Hospitals are being set up in large towns all over the country, hopefully to higher the access to medical care

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| October 14, 2010, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
he meant Algeria...

Yes, thank you. Sorry.

Quoting Areetsa C
Speaking of missiles, can you refresh my memory as to the terms of our agreement a while back? Just after conquering China, I recall, you obtained a couple of adaptable missile systems from me for testing. I just can't remember exactly what the arrangements were.

Oh, right, we did. Sorry, lost track of that after I got bombed for no good reason.

Ok, we were going to test it somewhere in Tibet where I've been too lazy to clean up the old T-90s lying around. Then we were going to discuss payment. For the sake of expediency, we could say we did it, and now I can just pay you for them and a license (I think that was part of it, maybe not).
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| October 14, 2010, 8:11 pm
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Cliffe, if you are going to attack Andrew, Erik, Evan and I about "hyper realism" at least do it publicly (like you have in the past). I wont counter your specific arguments from a certain FM that you sent Andrew here, but maybe its not that we are thick headed about not accepting your explanations and "bashing" your MOCs. I think I know the one thing that almost everyone here is tired of. That thing would happen to be your supreme sense of superiority in pretty much all regards; economy, influence, affluence, and of course creations. If you stop giving the air of supremacy I think everything would just be much more smooth for the entire group. Such behavior tends to chafe on others quite easily.

Another thing is how the group took a rather unexpected turn- at least I was lured to the group by Evan by the prospect of managing a country by realistic means (or at least feasible), and the interesting part would be how a person made their country into what it is. Perhaps this is "unrealistic" of me to think so, but it was what was anticipated, and indeed, I think that was the goal of the group.

Thats it.
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| October 14, 2010, 8:52 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
No, it's my missiles he's bragging about being able to shoot down. Well, Indian manufactured, I should say. But I think the CM will see through some of his claims.
...The'X' is not only Mach capable (in a dive), but carries rudimentary countermeasures (flares, chaff) and has 3 pre-programmed evasive maneuvers (basic jinking).

I do believe it is possible to shoot such a missile down, but not on a regular or dependable basis and not with Cliffe's stuff. His fighters are small and maneuverable, but don't contain enough tracking devices or adequate missiles to take on a small maneuvering target. Even with good missiles, it would take a good amount of shooting, but standard UAC flight training (...stolen from current USAF standards...) states that in combat you fire missiles in volleys of three. Usually, the first one destroys it and the other two shoot through the fireball, but you're chances of missing are greatly reduced. However, that's with incredibly maneuverable missiles fired from incredibly advanced avionics. Firing immaneuverable missiles at a maneuvering target is not the way to get a war won.

The best use for a cruise missile in my opinion is as a distraction, allowing you to get his attention of
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| October 14, 2010, 9:09 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
I do believe it is possible to shoot such a missile down, but not on a regular or dependable basis and not with Cliffe's stuff. His fighters are small and maneuverable, but don't contain enough tracking devices or adequate missiles to take on a small maneuvering target. Even with good missiles, it would take a good amount of shooting, but standard UAC flight training (...stolen from current USAF standards...) states that in combat you fire missiles in volleys of three. Usually, the first one destroys it and the other two shoot through the fireball, but you're chances of missing are greatly reduced. However, that's with incredibly maneuverable missiles fired from incredibly advanced avionics. Firing immaneuverable missiles at a maneuvering target is not the way to get a war won.

The best use for a cruise missile in my opinion is as a distraction, allowing you to get his attention of

Yeah, I know. I wasn't claiming them to be invincible, but I thought it was dashed convenient that 'all of a sudden' my X-bombs were exactly the size & shape that Cliffe trains his pilots on.

Just saying they have a better chance than your 'average' missile, but not too much to make it unrealistic. Which wouldn't phase certain founders of this group...
<.<
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| October 14, 2010, 9:29 pm
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War Update:

Africa: Algeria has set up artillery teams out in the desert near the Libyan border. The artillery teams are being reinforced and will soon form a large border defense force, ready to attack the Egyptians when they arrive.

Algeria has also invaded and quickly reinforced the previously demilitarized area of Tunisia, and are making the area into a heavily fortified buffer zone against the Egyptians advancing to the north.

The USCA has sent: 25 Leopárdalis Medium Tanks
20 T-55 Medium Tanks
100 Féroun Medium Tanks
300 Avenger AA Missile Platforms
160 Howitzers
30,000 Infantry
to defend Algeria.
and:
250 Avenger AA Missile Platforms
30,000 Infantry
2,000 Mechanized Infantry (30 M113A5 APCs)
100 Wolverine IFVs
to act as a rear defense force in Algeria's interior.
Egyptian bomber attempted to fly more missions into Algeria over the past two days, although curiously employing low-level tactics to attack Algerian bases and factories. Because they were so low-level, the sufered greatly from both fixed and mobile SAM along the Libyan border, and also suffered from the mobile SAM units guarding their objectives, and again as most were driven away they wewre forced to cross within the paths of more SAM units. All in all, only moderate damage was dealt to the Algerians, who were prepared for another such attack, and at least half of the Egyptian bombers were lost to dense SAM fire, although no loss numbers on the bombers can be attained.

45,000 infantry troops of the USCA (who has renamed their country to something I don't remember...) attempted to cross the border into Sudan, but found the border heavily guarded by Egyptians, rather than risk casualties, they turned back. A force of 20 African F-35P were more successful, and managed to hit some hyperfalcons on the ground (8 total), before turning back, no F-35P losses were acquired.

Algerian X-bombs continued to hit the Egyptian attack force in Libya hard, and since the Egyptian ground forces were unable to down any of the fast approaching missiles, and Egyptia planes were only effective against a few, the bombs continue to harass the Egyptians, and kill them before they even reach through the deserts of Libya.


Europe: With the surrender of the last Russian Marines, the Panzer divisions in northern Germany have been deployed to the Eastern front.

Over in Kursk 2.0, the Germans, now reinforced from behind, are beginning to push the Russians back from the outskirts of the City formerly known as Kaliningrad. German Stealth bombers were able to make major dents into the attacking Russians by bombing them from where they could not be seen. The Russians are furious that they have no way of tracking these stealth bombers, and thus, no way of killing them. These bombers were followed by a force of German Luftwaffe fighters which were sent out against tanks and planes employed by the Russians. Russian planes sent by Finn, hoping to get some time destroying German tanks, were met with ferocity by more advanced and better performing fighters of the Luftwaffe, these planes duked it out over the battlefield, creating quite a sight to see on the ground, however, due to being old soviet-era designs, Finn's planes were woefully less successful than the Luftwaffe, and flew home before they could be dealt too much damage.

T-101s continue to duke it put with Panzers, while T-70/80s continue to be killed, and T-90s fair somewhat better, but not much. The battlefield at this time has become a ruinous obstacle course of dead and burned-out tanks.
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| October 14, 2010, 9:45 pm
Quoting Thomas N


Algeria has also invaded and quickly reinforced the previously demilitarized area of Tunisia, and are making the area into a heavily fortified buffer zone against the Egyptians advancing to the north.

And the main objective of this whole mess is completed.

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| October 14, 2010, 9:55 pm
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Looks like I'll need to send in battle plans tomorrow. I'll start it now, and have it to you by tomorrow at 7-8pm EST.
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| October 14, 2010, 9:56 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
I do believe it is possible to shoot such a missile down, but not on a regular or dependable basis and not with Cliffe's stuff. His fighters are small and maneuverable, but don't contain enough tracking devices or adequate missiles to take on a small maneuvering target. Even with good missiles, it would take a good amount of shooting, but standard UAC flight training (...stolen from current USAF standards...) states that in combat you fire missiles in volleys of three. Usually, the first one destroys it and the other two shoot through the fireball, but you're chances of missing are greatly reduced. However, that's with incredibly maneuverable missiles fired from incredibly advanced avionics. Firing immaneuverable missiles at a maneuvering target is not the way to get a war won.

The best use for a cruise missile in my opinion is as a distraction, allowing you to get his attention of

Hyperfalcons have tracking devices, as well as most other things, up the wazoo, and are capable of carrying QAAMs.
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| October 14, 2010, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Hyperfalcons have tracking devices, as well as most other things, up the wazoo, and are capable of carrying QAAMs.

Why not just call them Invincible-falcons while you're at it, so at least they live up to their name...
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| October 14, 2010, 10:52 pm
This is now really p1ssing me off, these missile attacks, for it is truly very, very cow@rdly.

Also what greatly unsettled me today is when Avelella threatened to nuke me via vulgar Flickr h@te-mail. If anyone sees this as acceptable, please explain.

I would like to ask the dear members of this forum exactly how and when I have boasted about my forces being the best with the exception of the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and the Grand Egyptian Navy, which I actually haven't even mentioned in a while.

Everything else of mine I see can be improved. The Hyper War Chariot needs better wheels so it doesn't always tear up its tires and constantly need new ones like it does, the Macro War Chariot DOES definitely need better clearance, the Hyperfalcon needs larger engines, needs to be bigger, looks awkward, my Navy needs serious updating, my military units are very disorganized, I need to make more infantry for the Reich, I haven't even made a single thing for Mesopotamia...

...the list goes on.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:04 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
This is now really p1ssing me off, these missile attacks, for it is truly very, very cow@rdly.


Well I'm not going to walk a thousand miles just to point a gun at you...




I suggest trying out vehicles in combat via a CM. I've found this is the most effective way of finding their worth without being bashed on.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:10 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Hyperfalcons have tracking devices, as well as most other things, up the wazoo, and are capable of carrying QAAMs.

Yes, and while such tracking devices are good against many targets, there's a limit as to how much software you can put on a small fighter before you start sacrificing maneuverability. Added weight can cause huge problems on an aircraft, especially one that relies on maneuverability, rate of climb and rapid acceleration.

If I were to use one of your MOCs as a missile interceptor, I'd go for the Ho-XII or whatever. The flying wing. In order to shoot down a missile, you need a large passive radar-guided missile. A heat seeker might work if you could maneuver into position behind it and very close. You'd need to fire a lot of missiles before you could hit though.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
This is now really p1ssing me off, these missile attacks, for it is truly very, very cow@rdly.

Also what greatly unsettled me today is when Avelella threatened to nuke me via vulgar Flickr h@te-mail. If anyone sees this as acceptable, please explain.

I would like to ask the dear members of this forum exactly how and when I have boasted about my forces being the best with the exception of the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and the Grand Egyptian Navy, which I actually haven't even mentioned in a while.


Thank you for at least being honest and acknowledging that things could be improved.

How are missile attacks cowardly? Its just like saying that using a gun is blasphemy since it can be "cowardly".

Cliffe, you have to understand, while you dont flat-out say your the best, if you go over some of your comments (particularly your comments on the war in Africa) you always seem to be angry when your forces fail to achieve total victory in essentially up-armored dune buggies on day 1. Also, some of the descriptions for your creations seem to imply that they are better than everything else, especially the much-fought-over Hyperfalcon.

I hope that this makes sense to you, and I dont want to get into a true argument.


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| October 14, 2010, 11:13 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Also what greatly unsettled me today is when Avelella threatened to nuke me via vulgar Flickr h@te-mail. If anyone sees this as acceptable, please explain.


He c. u. s. s. e. d. you out? I remember him using the s word , but that's pretty much it.
Despite living in the south, I don't like it when people us vulgar language, so this upsets me slightly.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I would like to ask the dear members of this forum exactly how and when I have boasted about my forces being the best with the exception of the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and the Grand Egyptian Navy, which I actually haven't even mentioned in a while.


Since you asked...

No, seriously though. You have claimed to have the best of everything, absolutely, and how dare we possibly think otherwise.

-Your pilots are the absolute best, everyone of them has years upon years of experience and they are all elite veterans.
-Your stealth planes which have exposed munitions are best by leaps and bounds for no other reason but by abject obviousness (at least to you), because the rest of us can't see how they are so spectacular.
-You can build scads of glorified Willy's jeeps with popguns and suddenly you can conquer the world with them.
-I thought my standing army of 1 Mil was large when you put me to shame with your 1.6 Mil Mesopotamian army; which could, in most cases, rightly be considered economically impossible.
-You can't conceive how anyone's equipment could possibly be better than yours (for the same apparent reason as above).
-You can't admit that an M1A2 Abrams could conceivably be better than a war chariot, much less the fine examples of armor that other members, say Matt Hacker, makes.
-Your hyperfalcons grow magic new equipment every time you face a new enemy, even though you haven't gone through a development phase for it...or told us you had it previously...leading us to believe you make it up as you go along...
-You constantly extol your open-'pilot compartment,' piston-engine bombers saying that they have a faster speed, higher operating altitude, and greater range than, say a B-1 Lancer.
-You have such a high view of everything you do in this group that it borders on the pathological almost

...well, I think I've had my 0.02, I'll let someone else rant for a minute or two.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:22 pm
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The IRA has had some setbacks in its air superiority fighter program, however the first two squadrons should be ready for testing by Saturday.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:27 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

/respectfulhighfive
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| October 14, 2010, 11:30 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
/respectfulhighfive

*agreement*
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| October 14, 2010, 11:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


-Your hyperfalcons grow magic new equipment every time you face a new enemy, even though you haven't gone through a development phase for it...or told us you had it previously...leading us to believe you make it up as you go along...

I'm actually mildly surprised I haven't been accused of that before.
I continually fail to produce stats for my vehicles.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:33 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
This is now really p1ssing me off, these missile attacks, for it is truly very, very cow@rdly.

Cliffe my boy, missiles are quite possibly the most entertaining thing since women.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:34 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I would like to ask the dear members of this forum exactly how and when I have boasted about my forces being the best with the exception of the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and the Grand Egyptian Navy, which I actually haven't even mentioned in a while.


Not to jump on a bandwagon and throw insults at all, but I found this while reading through the Trading Forum.

"The Pharaoh offers you the very best of gunship technology today. No, really, it kind of... is."

I found it rather assumtious, especially since I take pride in having a very high-tech and modern helicopter force, including all-aspect stealth gunships. I'm not insulting yours, but I view that statement rather exaggurated.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:36 pm
In Mongolia batch #6 of the UAVs has been completed. That brings the total up to... 72 UAVs with operators currently stationed throughout Mongolia. I think I'm going to have to build one of these things in real life now.
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| October 14, 2010, 11:36 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Cliffe my boy, missiles are quite possibly the most entertaining thing since women.

I'll take the women. =P
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| October 14, 2010, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I would like to ask the dear members of this forum exactly how and when I have boasted about my forces being the best with the exception of the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and the Grand Egyptian Navy, which I actually haven't even mentioned in a while.


Not to jump on a bandwagon and throw insults at all, but I found this while reading through the Trading Forum.

"The Pharaoh offers you the very best of gunship technology today. No, really, it kind of... is."

I found it rather assumtious, especially since I take pride in having a very high-tech and modern helicopter force, including all-aspect stealth gunships. I'm not insulting yours, but I view that statement rather exaggurated.

Yay for awesome helis!

/highfive

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| October 14, 2010, 11:39 pm
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This is quite a situation developing.

@Cliffe: I'm assuming we've reached a peace agreement, and I have no further need of sending plans to Tom N?
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| October 14, 2010, 11:39 pm
raeg hatorz
>_<
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| October 14, 2010, 11:55 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
This is now really p1ssing me off, these missile attacks, for it is truly very, very cow@rdly.

Also what greatly unsettled me today is when Avelella threatened to nuke me via vulgar Flickr h@te-mail. If anyone sees this as acceptable, please explain.

Does anybody want a copy of what Cliffe sent me? Matt and Evan have already seen, but I just thought we should get both sides of the argument here. Also, I warned you both publically and privately about my use of missiles.
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| October 15, 2010, 7:09 am
Quoting Thomas N
45,000 infantry troops of the USCA (who has renamed their country to something I don't remember...) attempted to cross the border into Sudan, but found the border heavily guarded by Egyptians, rather than risk casualties, they turned back.

Am I missing something, or did he just his entire army into the desert...?

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| October 15, 2010, 7:14 am
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Quoting -> avalella
Quoting Thomas N
45,000 infantry troops of the USCA (who has renamed their country to something I don't remember...) attempted to cross the border into Sudan, but found the border heavily guarded by Egyptians, rather than risk casualties, they turned back.

Am I missing something, or did he just his entire army into the desert...?

no, that would be entirely counter-productive.

His army in their desert does not represent his entire army, he still left his heavy border defense guys, as they don't make for a good offensive.
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| October 15, 2010, 7:43 am
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While I am the CM, and therefore supposed to be unbiased, I am going to say this:

Cliffe, I think you do seem quite overly-righteous in declaring your forces are superior to everyone else's.

For example: a conventional vehicle, like an MBT, would easily be able to kill a war chariot, because there is a certain point where you put too much armor on a vehicle, you lose speed. For a war chariot to go as fast as you say, it would have to carry lighter armor, making it fall prey to large tank rounds.

In the case of the Macro war chariot, not only does it not have enough ground clearance, it is also pretty tall, making it quite the target as compared to other modern vehicles that lie low to the ground.

Your hyperfalcon, though with a nice wing shape that I like, couldn't be a truly stealth craft because of its exterior hardpoints. It is also a smaller plane, and really wouldn't have room for all the avionics and stuff you say it has, regardless of whether you state that it had that stuff before or after it needed it.

And saying your helicopters are the best in the world, is wrong too. I can think of several people who actually build their own helicopters, and their creations show an amount of effort and craftsmanship that yours and Mag's do not.

Also, I don't like how you're coming up with all these technological advances for your vehicles, without the technical knowledge to accurately explain those revolutionary technical concepts. Until you are able to give us an explanation of your revolutionary technology, like an engineer might explain it, it will remain just that, a concept.
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| October 15, 2010, 8:25 am
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Quoting Thomas N

Now it's my turn:

Hear, hear! x2

Plus, and I think this is a good point to bring up, a judge of a vehicle's worth is the demand for it on the international market. How many of any design has Cliffe sold on the trading boards? Pittance in comparison with others. And his hyperfalcon design got ripped-off only because people could use them against him to gain the element of surprise...
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| October 15, 2010, 12:42 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Quoting Thomas N


Algeria has also invaded and quickly reinforced the previously demilitarized area of Tunisia, and are making the area into a heavily fortified buffer zone against the Egyptians advancing to the north.

And the main objective of this whole mess is completed.

That's my boy! Once this is over, your definitly getting to keep it.
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| October 15, 2010, 3:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Now it's my turn:

Hear, hear! x2

Plus, and I think this is a good point to bring up, a judge of a vehicle's worth is the demand for it on the international market. How many of any design has Cliffe sold on the trading boards? Pittance in comparison with others. And his hyperfalcon design got ripped-off only because people could use them against him to gain the element of surprise...

I plan on using it as my main air superiority fighter.
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| October 15, 2010, 4:35 pm
Hey Tom I'm just wondering what happened with my missile strikes?
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| October 15, 2010, 4:44 pm
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India, in another profitable trade within the IOA has acquired the plans for the Tu-225. Also included in the plans (perhaps by mistake) where the plans for the older version with the rear gunner's compartment. While this is certainly outdated for modern warfare, a prominent officer reviewed the plans and came up with a bold plan to use the older Tu-225 as an electronics warfare variant. The rear compartment would be re-purposed to house a host of electronics gear for the second & third crewman to control. Dorsal and ventral housings would hold the generators. Called the EW-225, this variant would be completely unarmed to save weight, though it would retain its countermeasures. Extensive tests will be conducted before going into service.

The war in China is winding down (I assume) and the generals are consulting with the Congress to determine peace-time military status. Plans are on the table to divide India into 18 military districts, such as provincial boundaries, and having a 'National Guard' concept occupation presided over by the Indian Army. When war is declared, these guard units would be subordinate to the Indian Army high command for continuity. This plan would allow a larger peace-time army to serve while lowering the cost because these men would reside in their own homes when off-duty. Reserve systems are also being considered and will be elaborated upon soon.

The R47 is being put to good use already, as well as the SPG variant.


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| October 15, 2010, 5:15 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Hey Tom I'm just wondering what happened with my missile strikes?

oh yes, forgot that bit...

1 USCA Finnish-made type-1 ICBM was launched at the Egyptians en masse in Libya, where it did damage to many vehicles, much like the X-bombs also launched there. 2 more were sent at the Pharoah's house, and destroyed a residential neighborhood in Cairo, however, the seat of Egyptian government is not in Cairo, rather in some other place I don't remember. The Pharaoh was not harmed.
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| October 15, 2010, 5:17 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
India, in another profitable trade within the IOA has acquired the plans for the Tu-225. Also included in the plans (perhaps by mistake) where the plans for the older version with the rear gunner's compartment. While this is certainly outdated for modern warfare, a prominent officer reviewed the plans and came up with a bold plan to use the older Tu-225 as an electronics warfare variant. The rear compartment would be re-purposed to house a host of electronics gear for the second crewman to control. Dorsal and ventral housings would hold the generators. Called the EW-225, this variant would be completely unarmed to save weight, though it would retain its countermeasures. Extensive tests will be conducted before going into service.



This statement is confirmed.

In the above mentioned trade arrangement, the UAC recieved plans to build JSF-1s. 24 of these aircraft will be built for the UAC Armed Forces.
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| October 15, 2010, 5:30 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Thebes I believe. Although as of 2010, it's nothing but a giant archeological site.

Yes that's it. Thank you Evan.
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| October 15, 2010, 5:37 pm
Quoting Thomas N

T-101s continue to duke it put with Panzers, while T-70/80s continue to be killed, and T-90s fair somewhat better, but not much. The battlefield at this time has become a ruinous obstacle course of dead and burned-out tanks.

First off, I don't have any T-80's or 70's engaged. Secondly, I send T-90's and T-100's
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| October 15, 2010, 5:40 pm
Due to Kursk 2.0, I have decided to start developing- a T-200 (Dunno when i'll build it), and a new fighter- Called "Oca"(translate if you want, I just hope it says what it's supposed to)

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| October 15, 2010, 5:43 pm
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Oceanian Naval News:

3 Hobart Class Stealth Destroyers, will be renamed the Admiral Hudson Class, with ships being the O.N.S. Admiral Hudson, O.N.S. Admiral Beaumont, and O.N.S. Admiral Barrie.
Accompanying this name change will be accompanied with a role adjustment. The three destroyers will be fitted with thick state-of-the art bow armor, essentially becoming Ice-breaking Destroyers, in order to participate in cold-climate operations exercises I am planning to conduct in the waters off Antarctica.

After keeping four active, putting two in reserve, and selling four, I still have five Australia Class Battleships open for sale to anyone interested. They run for 2.5 Bil each.

Systematic conversion of the four Wellington Class Escort Carriers to Assault Carriers, and 12 Stealth Cruisers to Stealth LPDs, has been completed, freeing up much dry dock space at our seaports.

Elements of the newly formed PGNG (O.N.S. Chakri Naruebet and 7 Corvettes) are en route across the Indian Ocean to their new port of call at Bahrain.
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| October 15, 2010, 6:05 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
First off, I don't have any T-80's or 70's engaged. Secondly, I send T-90's and T-100's

T-100 don't exist in the Russian army today, nor have you built any so no.
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| October 15, 2010, 6:06 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
First off, I don't have any T-80's or 70's engaged. Secondly, I send T-90's and T-100's

T-80 is an updated T-72, T-90 is also an upgraded T-72 because the 80 had a fuel hog of an engine.

Technically his statement is correct.

Quoting Ultramarine .
-You can't conceive how anyone's equipment could possibly be better than yours (for the same apparent reason as above).

Oh no, he also has a very high view of my Sokol tankbuster, although I don't doubt that if a couple of 'em magicked their way into Finn's hands he'd suddenly turn out to have super flak guns everywhere.

Quoting Jack Ford
I found it rather assumtious, especially since I take pride in having a very high-tech and modern helicopter force, including all-aspect stealth gunships. I'm not insulting yours, but I view that statement rather exaggurated.

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have a truly 'stealth' helicopter. Something to do with the rotors, I think.
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| October 15, 2010, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Jack Ford
I found it rather assumtious, especially since I take pride in having a very high-tech and modern helicopter force, including all-aspect stealth gunships. I'm not insulting yours, but I view that statement rather exaggurated.

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have a truly 'stealth' helicopter. Something to do with the rotors, I think.


A stealth helicopter has to have three or five rotor blades. 90 degree angles often pick up on radar. I don't understand why, but that's supposedly the way it is. Also, the attachment between the rotor mast and the blades has to be covered, but in LEGO it's impossible to do on a minifig-scale helicopter. The RAH-66 Comanche was fully stealthy, and had five rotor blades. More rotor blades cancels out noise, but also creates more work for the engine. According to my research, a 3 bladed rotor is physically possible to install on a helicopter without ruininig the stealth properties.
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| October 15, 2010, 6:32 pm
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UAC has completed research to install helmet-synced radar and heat seeking missile targeting systems on all frontline aircraft of the UAC armed forces. It allows a pilot to aim a missile by lining up the target on crosshairs projected in his visor. The radar/IR seeker automatically follows the pilot's view, guiding the missile towards it's target. This also works on laser, thermal imaging, GPS and radar guided anti-tank missiles fired from helicopters and attack aircraft. The UAC has also nearly finished a classified project designed by the UAC Defense Board and Garcia Aircraft Industries.
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| October 15, 2010, 6:36 pm
Quoting Thomas N
T-100 don't exist in the Russian army today, nor have you built any so no.

I would have got it from John, anyway.
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| October 15, 2010, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
According to my research, a 3 bladed rotor is physically possible to install on a helicopter without ruininig the stealth properties.


Success! My helicopter is three-bladed.
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| October 15, 2010, 7:03 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford

By the way, the JSF-1 has a fully integrated system similar to what you described for the helmet-mounted HUD. Gave it everything, just take a peak at the MOC if you have questions.

When it came to this plane, boy, I didn't skimp! It's got all the wing-dings, bells & whistles, and other miscellaneous goodness.

Sorry, I'm just bragging...
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| October 15, 2010, 7:08 pm
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About 75% of Finland's armed forces (around 40,000) men plus units from Estonia and Latvia are currently on the Finnish-Sweden/Norway border. We are well prepared in case Cliffe /rages and declares war on me. Oh, and another squadron has finished converting F35Ps and only a few more squadrons remain to be trained/ upgraded.
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| October 15, 2010, 7:14 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
I would have got it from John, anyway.

John has the T-101, which you don't have, so there are no T-100.

Also, I'm putting your force numbers under critical review, as 30,000 tanks is a ridiculous amount to have, especially since you're only a small, underpopulated splinter-state of Russia.
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| October 15, 2010, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
I would have got it from John, anyway.

Me? I only have T-101s, and only Nick ever bought any (I believe), and those were before I updated them
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| October 15, 2010, 7:27 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Now it's my turn:

Hear, hear! x2

Plus, and I think this is a good point to bring up, a judge of a vehicle's worth is the demand for it on the international market. How many of any design has Cliffe sold on the trading boards? Pittance in comparison with others. And his hyperfalcon design got ripped-off only because people could use them against him to gain the element of surprise...


Hmm... I'm the number 1 tank merchant in the world. Does this make them the best?
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| October 15, 2010, 7:29 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Me? I only have T-101s, and only Nick ever bought any (I believe), and those were before I updated them

Okay...
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| October 15, 2010, 7:38 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hmm... I'm the number 1 tank merchant in the world. Does this make them the best?

Nope, just you rich.
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| October 15, 2010, 7:45 pm
Quoting John Dawn
just you rich.

because he's G
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| October 15, 2010, 8:07 pm
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Has anyone else noticed Finn has only made one creation for the group? Just saying.
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| October 15, 2010, 8:20 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hmm... I'm the number 1 tank merchant in the world. Does this make them the best?

Weelllll...

Yours are some of the best, I will say that. Certainly better than mine; at least aesthetics wise. They've never met on the battlefield, so I can't say.
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| October 15, 2010, 8:24 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
because he's G


You know it to be true.
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| October 15, 2010, 8:30 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Has anyone else noticed Finn has only made one creation for the group? Just saying.

Trying to get me banned? I made three, by the way, but I guess people don't consider figs creations
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| October 15, 2010, 8:57 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I look forward to the day when Cliffe's Roman-built tanks face off against my the new version of my M6A1 (not posted yet...). Should be interesting. Although you'd think the way he caries himself as the master military and economic power on the planet, he'd build his own tanks.


Indeed, indeed. I think it's because Cliffe considers every tank I build to have a German feel.

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| October 15, 2010, 9:13 pm
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The IRA is proud to announce what might be the pinnacle of desert warfare, 2,000 pound giant worms. We hope that this new destructive unit will prove effective in the Sahara desert where three have already been set loose.
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| October 15, 2010, 9:26 pm
Quoting Thomas N
oh yes, forgot that bit...

1 USCA Finnish-made type-1 ICBM was launched at the Egyptians en masse in Libya, where it did damage to many vehicles, much like the X-bombs also launched there. 2 more were sent at the Pharoah's house, and destroyed a residential neighborhood in Cairo, however, the seat of Egyptian government is not in Cairo, rather in some other place I don't remember. The Pharaoh was not harmed.

Just for clarification, was the Pharoahs family harmed at all?
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| October 15, 2010, 9:48 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
The IRA is proud to announce what might be the pinnacle of desert warfare, 2,000 pound giant worms. We hope that this new destructive unit will prove effective in the Sahara desert where three have already been set loose.

You're joking.... Right?

Doesn't have anything to do with this: http://www.addictinggames.com/effing-worms-game.html does it?
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| October 15, 2010, 9:50 pm
Quoting John Dawn
The IRA is proud to announce what might be the pinnacle of desert warfare, 2,000 pound giant worms. We hope that this new destructive unit will prove effective in the Sahara desert where three have already been set loose.

0_o
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| October 15, 2010, 9:51 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Just for clarification, was the Pharoahs family harmed at all?

Pharaoh lives in Thebes boi, and now that they have found your intention of an attack, they're moving his family to a safe underground location. Or something like that. Point is, Cairo ws the wrong target, and now you've alerted them of your intentions.
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| October 15, 2010, 10:51 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Pharaoh lives in Thebes boi, and now that they have found your intention of an attack, they're moving his family to a safe underground location. Or something like that. Point is, Cairo was the wrong target, and now you've alerted them of your intentions.


Indeed, however I do believe it was logical to attack Cairo since to use Thebes as a valid place to rule would take major development.
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| October 15, 2010, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Indeed, however I do believe it was logical to attack Cairo since to use Thebes as a valid place to rule would take major development.

Until El Leader comes on and says:
"Oh, I have Thebes all ready to go, cause I'm just magic like that and knew ahead of time that this was going to happen at this exact moment."
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| October 15, 2010, 11:25 pm
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War update time Peoplez!

Algerian air units, wary of being caught on the ground again, were sent up into the air to defend on around-the-clock sweeps the airspace over Algeria.

Overnight, they detected an anomaly, and although radar could not be used to hone in on the intruding aircraft, line-of-sight confirmed the threat as an approaching group of F-15SEs, apparently an Egyptian Ace squadron made up of foreign aircraft aquired by Egypt. Stealth F-15s, modded by Egypt. Algeria immediately went into evasive-attack mode, knowing the danger posed by such an Ace squadron ,Algerian air units resorted to staying as close to the six of the enemy fighters as possible, and used long-range missiles fired at the planes from a distance. The Algerian fighters also used tactics of painting the aircraft for the ground SAM crews, who otherwise could not have fired a shot at the stealthy aircraft. discovered during the battles, was a group of German made Stealth bombers, which were located only by the off chance that an Algerian pilot looking up was able to see them. At this point, an all-points bulletin was issued to targets of military importance across Algeria, searchlights were started up, and SAM crews went on full alert across the country, watching the now lit-up skies for the Egyptian bombers. Algerian flying wings, with less dogfighting ability, were sent to high levels to trail the bombers, and make sure not to lose line-of-sight contact. The fact that it was a clear night with a good moon worked out well for the Algerians. Algerian Hyperfalcons, who now had the advantage of better panes, took up the dangerous business of dogfighting with an Ace squadron, and the 60-year-old American technology proved unable to make up for difficulties bred from inferior equipment.
This went on, and the Algerian hyperfalcons were successfully able to hold the F-15ES fighters to a low air level, while the well-armed flying wings were safe from fighters and were able to make missiles shots at the retreating bombers.

The Egyptian squadron returned home, beaten, bruised, and missing 6 of their number. The stealth bombers had to make the long flight back to Germany, after finally losing their pursuers, but not before 12 of the 30 were killed by the courageous Algerians.

losses:
Algeria:
2 Hyperfalcons
4 flying wings
Prusso-Egypt:
12 stealth bombers
6 F-15SE

A flight of 36 R/A- 927 stealthy bombers from the AMA were sent out over Libya today to target and destroy the Advancing Egyptians. Interestingly enough, they were unable to locate the Egyptian force that was supposed to be overland. Continuing on however, they found something quite surprising. A large force of Egyptians was seen loading onto an even large armada of the Grand Egyptian Navy, obviously gearing up for an amphibious invasion of Algeria. The fleet consisted of: 4 destroyers, 15 Alexandria Class cruisers, 4 Amenhotep III class cruisers, two Saqqarah class carriers, 8 frigates, and many landing ships.

The bombers, upon recognizing this, did what they were trained by the Russians to do: They flew high, and began releasing loads of ordinance at the oblivious Egyptian ships. They were attempting to pick up: one entire division of Macro War Chariots, two divisions of Hyper War Chariots, including the Pharaoh, one infantry division and one marine division. The Egyptians first clue as to what was happening was when landing ships, still taking Egyptian vehicles of the beach, started exploding. The bombers quickly acquired targets, about two to each ship, and went after the biggest ships. The Egyptians panicked. The scene was like that of a pseudo Pearl-Harbor bombing scene, where ships are being hit from the air and no one knows why, only made worse by the fact that they couldn't see any planes. The high-level bombers continued dropping ordinance, and cruisers, landing ships, and carriers were hit. One carrier was able to get its air wing into the sky, the other's deck began burning too fast. All too soon, just as the first carrier's fighters got above the cloud layer, the bombers had vanished, leaving nothing behind but a smoldering aircraft carrier, three doomed cruisers, two more heavily damaged cruisers, 6 light-to-moderate damaged cruisers, and ten infernos on the beach that had once been landing ships loading up vehicles.

losses:
Egypt:
3 cruisers killed,
10 landing ships killed,
2 cruisers and an aircraft carrier that will likely take weeks to repair,
6 cruisers that will take only a few days to repair,
almost an entire carrier air wing lost in a carrier deck inferno.
whatever vehicles already loaded onto the landing ships that burned.

The Pharaoh, who was there on the beach with his gold-plated hyper chariot, was there to witness it all. He was furious.


Europe: The Russians used satellites to locate the German fleet in port. They then launched ICBMs and Germany naval ports. Heavy anti-missile defense at the fortified ports went into action, and only a few missiles actually struck ships, sinking two destroyers and damaging 6 others in their berths. All U-boats were out underwater searching for Russian ships to kill.

At Kursk 2.0, The Russians have been receiving reinforcement, although T-80s and T-90s are still getting killed out there, the tank companies as a whole have managed to advance the fighting to the suburbs of the evacuated city of former-Kaliningrad. For the Germans, urban fighting is their specialty, and the heavy Russian tanks are facing even higher casualty rates among the houses and buildings in the city streets. At the moment though, fighting has reached an impasse.
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| October 15, 2010, 11:41 pm
This was a great day for Algeria.
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| October 15, 2010, 11:53 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
This was a great day for Algeria.

I'll say!
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| October 15, 2010, 11:56 pm
Wait, T-101s? John has Terminators!?
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| October 16, 2010, 12:22 am
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Quoting Jake H.
This was a great day for Algeria.


"The Pharaoh's loss will be great, his retribution, t3rr1ble. The Battle of Algeria has been won. Now, the Battle of Africa begins."


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| October 16, 2010, 12:23 am
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Looks like the Sinai is pretty well protected. To make sure, some of the troops recently out of SRGL will be airlifted over there, with a total of 5,000 heading over.

In other news, the PCU is looking into prototype designs for an LCAC received from the Labs of Idaho.
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| October 16, 2010, 12:25 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Assuming that is from Cliffe...so he refuses to show his face in the ICF, and claims to have won a battle which according to the CM he lost...fairly conclusively.


No, I was editing a quote from Lord of the Rings.
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| October 16, 2010, 12:35 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

No, I was editing a quote from Lord of the Rings.


/At Cliffe.

YOU SHALL NOT WIN!
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| October 16, 2010, 1:04 am
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Quoting John Dawn
The IRA is proud to announce what might be the pinnacle of desert warfare, 2,000 pound giant worms. We hope that this new destructive unit will prove effective in the Sahara desert where three have already been set loose.

Worms? A worm could easily be killed with a 50 cal...
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| October 16, 2010, 2:22 am
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Quoting Thomas N


Due to the growing conflict so close to my nation another aircraft carrier will be moved to the mouth of the Red Sea. It's F/A-38s will begin regularily patroling our coastline to defend from any warmongering fools who cross into UAC territory. Any unauthorized presence that does not respond to UAC radio and physical warnings will be shot down ASAP, if not by the F/A-38s, by something else. This is merely a safety precaution, not an act of war. I get a little over-responsive when there's ICBMs and bombers flying around destroying any enemy they see... >.>
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| October 16, 2010, 3:02 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
Worms? A worm could easily be killed with a 50 cal...


I'm not sure you get the joke.
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| October 16, 2010, 3:04 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm not sure you get the joke.

I'm not sure I do.

>.>

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| October 16, 2010, 3:10 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
I'm not sure I do.

>.>

<.<


Search the quotes on my homepage, you will understand.
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| October 16, 2010, 3:12 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Okay, about a third of my war report never made it in.
>.>
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| October 16, 2010, 6:40 am
The bombers did better than expected. Well looks like all the pilots are getting medals.
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| October 16, 2010, 6:41 am
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Quoting Henry Leopold III
The bombers did better than expected.
We need to make more joint project planes then.

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| October 16, 2010, 6:42 am
Quoting Thomas N

for clarification's sake, does Cliffe have enough forces left in Libya to take over Algeria?
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| October 16, 2010, 11:09 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Looks like the Sinai is pretty well protected. To make sure, some of the troops recently out of SRGL will be airlifted over there, with a total of 5,000 heading over.

In other news, the PCU is looking into prototype designs for an LCAC received from the Labs of Idaho.
Just a heads-up, the UAC Air Force/Navy patrols right along the Sinai, so don't be alarmed when fighter planes fly by. They won't shoot.

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| October 16, 2010, 11:59 am
War report : g.e.o.p has finaly made a machine gun that can be air droped with minor assembley . The sg98 maxim type machine gun has high expectatations being very reliable on the field .types of bipods being used are wheels ,bipod and tripod and even qaudpods ,land navy is working well and new fallschirmjager infantry aswell with new planes :on the front : nothing yet
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| October 16, 2010, 1:30 pm
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The UAC government will be increasing funding for the Garcia Black Projects Operations. They're most famous for their abstract designs, including the prototype AH-1, UAH-1, and several other craft.
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| October 16, 2010, 3:18 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

No, I was editing a quote from Lord of the Rings.

One does not just walk into Algeria!
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| October 16, 2010, 4:00 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
for clarification's sake, does Cliffe have enough forces left in Libya to take over Algeria?

Whatever forces he didn't try to load onto the ships are still in Libya, but I certainly don't think he has enough left to take you over now.
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| October 16, 2010, 4:04 pm
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Prusso-Egypt is warned that any PE flagged vessel that comes within 1000 km of Indian Ivory Coast territorial waters will be fired upon as such proximity will be considered an act of aggression. As well, any PE aircraft violating IIC airspace will be pursued and shot down with extreme prejudice.

Also, in addition to the long-range KIRI-radar network, 24 hour patrols of the greater Indian Ocean will commence immediately. RC-222 (radar equipped C-222), will over fly the entire Indian Ocean on three circuits covering the coasts and nearer islands, looking for surface vessels. 10 destroyers will circle the points inside the RC-222 ranges, scanning for subs with sonar. Further out (to the southeast toward Australia and southwest to within 500km of the African coast), two carrier groups of 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, and 2 destroyers each will patrol these areas. The latter will be largely equipped with ASW copters and anti-shipping missiles.

This is part of peace-time protection plans, but highly vigilant surveillance as well. India will not be caught off guard again.

****Attention****
This is a public proclamation meant for the CM, Tom, if any nation has their ships in my waters, they're going down. Since I don't know who all's (other than the IOA members) ships are in the Indian Ocean, all unidentified submarines will be torpedoed on contact. That's not really a threat, but I figure anyone who hasn't announced it must have a no good reason for it.
*****
If you are a friendly nation, but have vessels there for good reasons and don't want to reveal it to the group, FM me and I will inform the CM.

Clear as mud?
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| October 16, 2010, 4:45 pm
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^ As clarification:
Surface vessels will be positively ID-ed before fired upon. Merchant vessels are immune. Subs are the only real threat to me.
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| October 16, 2010, 5:14 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
International law stipulates territorial water goes out 12 miles. I assume you're keeping to said laws, to know what the limits are?

Submarine-launched missiles go out a bit further than that...
Basically, this is war; and I'm keeping Cliffe as far away from me as possible. Even though I said what I did about 'every' unidentified sub getting torpedoed, that was code for "Cliffe's grand navy only." Understand now?

Patrolling isn't against international law, I am correct?
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| October 16, 2010, 5:33 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
****Attention****
This is a public proclamation meant for the CM, Tom, if any nation has their ships in my waters, they're going down. Since I don't know who all's (other than the IOA members) ships are in the Indian Ocean, all unidentified submarines will be torpedoed on contact. That's not really a threat, but I figure anyone who hasn't announced it must have a no good reason for it.
*****
If you are a friendly nation, but have vessels there for good reasons and don't want to reveal it to the group, FM me and I will inform the CM.

I second this motion. Dr. Spontaneous' ships will be allowed in UAC waters, and for safety precaution(to avoid them getting shot by Indian vessels) will be escorted by some sort of UAC vessel, to provide communications with Indian vessels.

My protected waters include a strip of sea five miles out from Saudi Arabian shoreline in the Red Sea, and all waters between The UAC and Tom's or Ultramarine's.
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| October 16, 2010, 8:54 pm
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Woohoo, first report from Mexico.

Anyways, the situation has quieted down over here. The government has taken swift action against hostile factions, and proclaims complete control over the country. Restructuring is in full swing, and ex-SRGL troops have begun training new recruits.
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| October 16, 2010, 9:19 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
I second this motion. Dr. Spontaneous' ships will be allowed in UAC waters, and for safety precaution(to avoid them getting shot by Indian vessels) will be escorted by some sort of UAC vessel, to provide communications with Indian vessels.

My protected waters include a strip of sea five miles out from Saudi Arabian shoreline in the Red Sea, and all waters between The UAC and Tom's or Ultramarine's.

I won't just start shooting. 'Friendlies' will not be harmed, as I stated, and escort isn't necessary, but your humanitarianism is exemplary. Like I said, this is a maneuver to protect us, not start a war with the good Doctor or anyone else in the area. I realize the wording sounded...draconian, but it isn't as bad as all that.

This is more clarification for the rest of the group than for you, but you brought up a good point.
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| October 16, 2010, 9:40 pm
With 72 Ground Support UAVs now online, the focus of this project will now turn to producing effective Air to Air combat vehicles.
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| October 16, 2010, 9:41 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I missread, my apologies.

It was rather gruffly worded, no prob.
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| October 16, 2010, 10:34 pm
Will there be a CR tonight?
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| October 16, 2010, 10:43 pm
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The Egyptian fleet, beaten and dejected after yesterday's attack, steams slowly back to port today. Air support is now around-the-clock for the fleet, as they are wary of more bomber attacks, but even so, an Algerian sub out of Tunisia managed to sink a Frigate before disappearing.

Algeria continues to rebuild any damaged SAM sites, and their SAM potential is now back up at a good percentage of what it was before the attacks.

As it turned to nighttime, what can only be described as two special planes of unknown origin flew at an extremely low altitude towards the Egyptian fleet, 16 anti-ships missiles were fired, and the planes turned off and made their escape before anyone realised they had been there. Then, the missiles found their mark, and although 6 were shot down with anti-missiles defences that had been activated, 4 struck a destroyer, causing it to sink within minutes, and 6 slammed into the side of the carrier damaged the previous day, and the carrier, already damaged and broken, finally slipped under the waves.

Menawhile, something else strange happened, this time described as a "UFO" a strange craft flew over the Sinai peninsula at over mach 3, then turned over the Med and found targets in Alexandria Harbor, four destroyers which had not been part of the invasion force, and were anchored in the harbor, were targeted, bombed, and sunk at their moors by an unknown craft from an unknown source.

Egyptian fleet losses:
1 Frigate
1 previously damaged carrier
5 Destroyers


A strange occurrence happened yesterday, a team of trained USCA naval men took control of a British Vanguard class ballistic missile sub off the coast of Denmark, immediately dove, and sailed for the Med sea, at this time, the sub is now operating, with a USCA assurance that it will be returned later, off the coast of Algeria, where it is joined by every naval entity that Algeria was able to put out.


In the Baltic Sea, the U-boat fleet has been tasked with finding and destroying all Russian subs, which have been located to be in the northern part of the Baltic, after their volleys of cruise misssiles launched the other day. 1 Russian sub has so far been found and sunk.

36 of the Russian hyperfalcons attempoted to fly into German airspace today, the Russians mistakenly believed that they posessed the proper IFF codes, and were unaware that the Germans had changed the IFF codes when they realized that their enemies had their old codes. Using the old codes, the Russians were detected, marked as enemy, and two were destroyed before the rest realized what was happening. However, they were soon joined by 50 Indian-made IRA-bought F1 aircraft, and the force of 84 planes met the Luftwaffe in battle, as they attempted to go after the German fleet of Destroyers. 4 German destroyers were damaged, and 10 German planes lost at the expense of 6 more Russian Hyperfalcons and 10 F1s.

Aver Kursk 2.0, an ICBM was fired at the city, and did moderate damge, while the Russians sent in anti-tank personell and more tanks, pushing the German into the suburbs, where the German tanks are really at their best. The ration of tank kills Germans-Russians, is now 1-2. With the Germans killing twice as many Russian tanks from their entrenched city positions.

50 more F1s tried to attack German fortifications in the city, but were accosted by German Black Eagles, and were forced to dogfight high in the sky, without being able to get low enough for a ground attack. This battle is ongoing into the night, and losses have not been reported yet.


Over in America, PCU troops made a fast advance, with 25,000 troops fresh out of SRGL deployment took the areas between Anchorage and Juneau. 30 MAF-1s and 20 GAF-1s provided air support, and downed two Osean F-22 remakes, at the ocst of 1 MAF-1.
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| October 16, 2010, 11:14 pm
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I don't think Evan will think too highly of his submarine being hijacked.
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| October 16, 2010, 11:26 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I don't think Evan will think too highly of his submarine being hijacked.

it will be returned...

>_>
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| October 16, 2010, 11:33 pm
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In response to nations running about, stealing things and such, India is doubling counter-intelligence agents in strategic areas such as research stations and intelligence holdings. All plans for all military projects are guarded by no fewer than three firewalls, and blankets of false returns for the unknowing to get lost and tangled in. For the prying eye, a fatal virus will 'piggyback' the connection and crash the hackers' system, or at least keep him busy enough with the new threat to allow our techies time to plug the gap. Agents and special forces will also patrol key construction sites.

Also, around military bases, security and patrols are increasing greatly. Marines are stepping it up as well on the high seas.
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| October 16, 2010, 11:41 pm
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Gee. Cliffe is taking a pounding. Has he failed to deliver reports?
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| October 16, 2010, 11:53 pm
Alright everybody, listen up. As of now, the USCA is in position to launch 9 non-nuclear ICBMs (8 onboard the captured sub, 1 in a missile silo in the Ugandan mountains. I am issuing a warning to Libya, that if any Prusso-Egyptian ships enter their ports, said ports will be immediately fired upon by 2 ICBMs.
Public Battle Plans:
All of I corps (along with a logistics convoy of 500 trucks, 100 GPMRVs, 500 engineers, and 1,000 medical personnel)will move from their defensive positions and begin an offensive campaign into Libyan territory. They will advance relatively slowly, so as not to outrun their support. Providing air cover will be a squadron of 7 F35Ps, and all Avengers previously deployed into Algerian defensive positions. Large amounts of propaganda will be dropped over populated areas, advising civilians on places to take shelter and how to remain safe in the coming occupation. Information will also be provided about USCA citizenship, and civilians will be provided with all USCA required vaccinations. Police, hospitals, and all fire departments will be allowed to remain operational, as long as they don't interfere with "liberating" forces. The HMS Vangaurd will seperate from the Algerian fleet and proceed to dive deeper into the central Mediterranean, observing strict radio silence and will attempt to remain undetected.
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| October 16, 2010, 11:57 pm
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From this point onward, any non-Roman, Egyptian, German, or Pacific Union aircraft flying over the Suez Canal and the Sinai Peninsula will be pursued by Pacific Union aircraft. AAA is on standby.

You have been warned.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:18 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Gee. Cliffe is taking a pounding. Has he failed to deliver reports?

yes.

And people are using better tactics than he is as well.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:19 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Oh...shenanigans.

It's actually a Finish Type-4 submarine, the HMS Vanguard. :P

Nitpicking, sorry.

But the Vanguard is a British ballistic missile submarine!

Amnd the type-4 is an attack submarine, which, unlike BM subs, cannot fire ICBMs, ICBMs are too big for attack subs, that's why attack subs carry cruise missiles. If Avalella want to fire ICBMs, then his ship will have to be a BM submarine.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:22 am
With this world-wide cold war going on (and hot in some places) Mongolia has decided to runs things..... business as usual.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:24 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
From this point onward, any non-Roman, Egyptian, German, or Pacific Union aircraft flying over the Suez Canal and the Sinai Peninsula will be pursued by Pacific Union aircraft. AAA is on standby.

You have been warned.

What are you talking about? You don't have territory within 1,000 miles! Or do you?
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| October 17, 2010, 12:34 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
What are you talking about? You don't have territory within 1,000 miles! Or do you?

Actually, I put the Sinai and Suez Canal under PCU Military Control with the consent of Cliffe a week ago. However, it was never mentioned in the combat reports. I blame Tom.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:37 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Actually, I put the Sinai and Suez Canal under PCU Military Control with the consent of Cliffe a week ago. However, it was never mentioned in the combat reports. I blame Tom.

Hmmm... Why you? Wasn't he trying to kill you a couple weeks ago?
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| October 17, 2010, 12:41 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Hmmm... Why you? Wasn't he trying to kill you a couple weeks ago?

A friend in need, is a friend indeed?
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| October 17, 2010, 12:44 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
A friend in need, is a friend indeed?

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Just don't fire on me (should I happen to be there) or I might just regret spilling my blood on your behalf in N. America.

Speaking of which, have I conquered China yet? Or how many exnayplaneies did I get in the operationay.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:51 am
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@Ultra: Like you said, shadowboxing. As of now, Ynagzhou is conquered, and the surrounding provinces are about 1/4 invaded. Again, pardon my laziness.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:53 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
@Ultra: Like you said, shadowboxing. As of now, Ynagzhou is conquered, and the surrounding provinces are about 1/4 invaded. Again, pardon my laziness.

Well, it is like I said, just making sure. Sounds like I'm doing good, I'll just keep it up. Thanks!
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| October 17, 2010, 12:58 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
From this point onward, any non-Roman, Egyptian, German, or Pacific Union aircraft flying over the Suez Canal and the Sinai Peninsula will be pursued by Pacific Union aircraft. AAA is on standby.

You have been warned.

I would like permission to fly C-130s over the Suez-area occasionally, as before. The Suez/Sinai is my route to trading with Dr. Spontaneous, and I'd like to keep it that way. If needed, other alternatives exist though.
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| October 17, 2010, 2:09 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Actually, I put the Sinai and Suez Canal under PCU Military Control with the consent of Cliffe a week ago. However, it was never mentioned in the combat reports. I blame Tom.

It was mentioned in the combat reports, I specifically stated that 15,000 PCU troops, with a later arriving compliment of 5,000 more, and considerable PCU anti-air emplacements, were in the Sinai region. I put that in a CR several days ago.
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| October 17, 2010, 10:38 am
Quoting Thomas N
But the Vanguard is a British ballistic missile submarine!

Amnd the type-4 is an attack submarine, which, unlike BM subs, cannot fire ICBMs, ICBMs are too big for attack subs, that's why attack subs carry cruise missiles. If Avalella want to fire ICBMs, then his ship will have to be a BM submarine.

Yes, but the Type-1 non-nuclear ICMB designed by Matt (Finland) was designed to launch from the Type-4. I'm pretty sure the Type-4 can fire 8 of these, but youd have to ask Matt. In the event that it can't, another 100 Marines are preparing to seize the HMS Vangaurd. I trust Evan wont mind >:P
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| October 17, 2010, 10:58 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
I would like permission to fly C-130s over the Suez-area occasionally, as before. The Suez/Sinai is my route to trading with Dr. Spontaneous, and I'd like to keep it that way. If needed, other alternatives exist though.

They will be allowed entry. However, they will be watched.
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| October 17, 2010, 12:13 pm
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Im just going to remind the IRA and Prusso-Egypt that I have Type-4 submarines in the Baltic Sea as well. Do be careful, as my subs have Rules of Engagement to fire at any hostile that has fired upon them.

To clarify about the Type-4, it is indeed an attack submarine, and it can only carry cruise missiles. However, these cruise missiles have a very powerful warhead, and would be about 1/2 as powerful as a tactical nuke. The means for this is a highly refined explosive mixture, coupled with some other accelerants making a quasi-Fuel Air Bomb with more explosive and less shockwaves. Oh, and the warheads are concealed within a titanium/tungsten mixture, meaning that the exposion will be concealed for ever so slightly more, bolstering its power. Sorry for the lenghty explination, but I wanted to provide an eplination for their power without simply claiming that they are "the best" and "super powerful."

Continuing on, there has been some grumblings going on within Estonia and Latvia. While both countries are reaping the benefits of Finnish modernization programs, many still feel strongly for their former owners, the IRA. Some are sympathizing with their plight and are urging Finland to assist. These "hawks" arguments are being heard by the government, and we assure them that if anyone or anything AT ALL attacked them or Finland, it will be war.

All domestic F35P kits and conversions are complete, and we have purchased the basic airframe building rights from our ally, the Commonwealth (we are monitoring the situation with the HMS Vanguard very closely), and are starting up new-build F35P production lines. These will take several weeks to set up, unless our good allies provide the tooling and machinery for the basic airframe.

Production of the M113A5 has completed, and the production totalled 1,500 units. Those production lines are now being converted to production of the C220 Lynx IFV, which is nearing operational status.

Our first wave of fresh recruits from our initial recuriment campaign 2 months ago are coming in. Advisors who are veterans from the Moldovan and Kenyan campaigns are being sent to the new units (as well as older units) to significantly bolster performance. The tank division which has just arrived back from Kenya is currently sharing lessons and tricks to teach all tankers.
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| October 17, 2010, 1:04 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Alright everybody, listen up. As of now, the USCA is in position to launch 9 non-nuclear ICBMs (8 onboard the captured sub, 1 in a missile silo in the Ugandan mountains. I am issuing a warning to Libya, that if any Prusso-Egyptian ships enter their ports, said ports will be immediately fired upon by 2 ICBMs.
Public Battle Plans:
All of I corps (along with a logistics convoy of 500 trucks, 100 GPMRVs, 500 engineers, and 1,000 medical personnel)will move from their defensive positions and begin an offensive campaign into Libyan territory. They will advance relatively slowly, so as not to outrun their support. Providing air cover will be a squadron of 7 F35Ps, and all Avengers previously deployed into Algerian defensive positions. Large amounts of propaganda will be dropped over populated areas, advising civilians on places to take shelter and how to remain safe in the coming occupation. Information will also be provided about USCA citizenship, and civilians will be provided with all USCA required vaccinations. Police, hospitals, and all fire departments will be allowed to remain operational, as long as they don't interfere with "liberating" forces. The HMS Vangaurd will seperate from the Algerian fleet and proceed to dive deeper into the central Mediterranean, observing strict radio silence and will attempt to remain undetected.

If you want I can help, send me your current battle plans and I'll tell you what I can spare.
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| October 17, 2010, 1:13 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Gee. Cliffe is taking a pounding. Has he failed to deliver reports?

I'm actually kinda' worried about him, you guys really handed it to him.
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| October 17, 2010, 1:15 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I'm actually kinda' worried about him, you guys really handed it to him.


To put it bluntly: he was asking for it.
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| October 17, 2010, 1:18 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I would like to ask the dear members of this forum exactly how and when I have boasted about my forces being the best with the exception of the Macro War Chariot's recoilless gun and the Grand Egyptian Navy, which I actually haven't even mentioned in a while.


Not to jump on a bandwagon and throw insults at all, but I found this while reading through the Trading Forum.

"The Pharaoh offers you the very best of gunship technology today. No, really, it kind of... is."

I found it rather assumtious, especially since I take pride in having a very high-tech and modern helicopter force, including all-aspect stealth gunships. I'm not insulting yours, but I view that statement rather exaggurated.

I had found after that time that John Dawn's Kestrel is actually the best I have seen so far.
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| October 17, 2010, 1:54 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
This is now really p1ssing me off, these missile attacks, for it is truly very, very cow@rdly.

Also what greatly unsettled me today is when Avelella threatened to nuke me via vulgar Flickr h@te-mail. If anyone sees this as acceptable, please explain.

Not the first time Avelella and company have been vulgar hateful ad cowardly...
>.>
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| October 17, 2010, 2:24 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Not the first time Avelella and company have been vulgar hateful ad cowardly...
>.>
<.<


>_<
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| October 17, 2010, 2:28 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Not the first time Avelella and company have been vulgar hateful ad cowardly...
>.>
<.<


Cruise missile boi.
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| October 17, 2010, 2:28 pm
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Almost forgot, the 200,000 or so Finnish, Swedish, and Norwegian POWs are now in the process of being sent to their homes. Due to the conflict in the Baltic Sea, however, there is significant reason for caution, and an escort will be sent with each group.(Note to Matt: These countries were combined about 4 months ago under Finns rule, he was attacked and within a day surrendered. I played my part by assaulting his half of Iceland, and captured his forces there.)
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| October 17, 2010, 2:53 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Almost forgot, the 200,000 or so Finnish, Swedish, and Norwegian POWs are now in the process of being sent to their homes. Due to the conflict in the Baltic Sea, however, there is significant reason for caution, and an escort will be sent with each group.(Note to Matt: These countries were combined about 4 months ago under Finns rule, he was attacked and within a day surrendered. I played my part by assaulting his half of Iceland, and captured his forces there.)



Ok, sounds good.
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| October 17, 2010, 3:14 pm
Quoting Will G.
Not the first time Avelella and company have been vulgar hateful ad cowardly...
>.>
<.<

Please stay out of this, mind your own business and stop trying to act superior to me.
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| October 17, 2010, 3:16 pm
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Because I'm just looking out for the good of all people, the Roman Empire is annexing Israel the same we annexed Equatorial Guinea. I'd imagine it's been chaotic there since America fell, and who knows what the Israelis and Palestinians have been up to in the mean time. So, for their own good, stability will be restored. By force.

40,000 troops, armor, and air support are moving into the Golan heights from recently captured Theme of Damaskos. A further 5,000 will be in landing craft moving out from Tyre, and will land in Gaza sometime this afternoon.

Hooray for imperialism!
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| October 17, 2010, 3:46 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Because I'm just looking out for the good of all people, the Roman Empire is annexing Israel the same we annexed Equatorial Guinea. I'd imagine it's been chaotic there since America fell, and who knows what the Israelis and Palestinians have been up to in the mean time. So, for their own good, stability will be restored. By force.

40,000 troops, armor, and air support are moving into the Golan heights from recently captured Theme of Damaskos. A further 5,000 will be in landing craft moving out from Tyre, and will land in Gaza sometime this afternoon.

Hooray for imperialism!


The pages didn't like my previous message, but that is the absolute dumbest thing I've seen in a while. First off, they have one of the strongest militaries in the world. If you think they depend on the US, not anymore. There special operations units are in league with the SEALS and SAS, as the political climate demands for it to be. ANd 40,000 men would epicly fail any sort of invasion. My 2 cents.
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| October 17, 2010, 3:58 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

The pages didn't like my previous message, but that is the absolute dumbest thing I've seen in a while. First off, they have one of the strongest militaries in the world. If you think they depend on the US, not anymore. There special operations units are in league with the SEALS and SAS, as the political climate demands for it to be. ANd 40,000 men would epicly fail any sort of invasion. My 2 cents.


I'm afraid you're wrong. America is the number one source of money for Israel, without money, you can't keep a good military, and it's been more than 20 years since America went bye bye. 45,000 men isn't enough, but you can only get so many people into one area at a time. Wave 2 will commence with time. And after that, wave 3.
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| October 17, 2010, 4:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
They will be allowed entry. However, they will be watched.

That is understandable. I trust you not to do anything absurd (like shooting them down), and will carry on trade as usual.
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| October 17, 2010, 4:29 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I had found after that time that John Dawn's Kestrel is actually the best I have seen so far.

The Kestrel has a very thin airframe, which leads me to believe that it would not be able to hold much feul and wouldn't be very strong. Check out my AH-1 sometime.
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| October 17, 2010, 4:31 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
The Kestrel has a very thin airframe, which leads me to believe that it would not be able to hold much feul and wouldn't be very strong. Check out my AH-1 sometime.

It's also a two seater. It uses up a great deal of space for the extra pilot that could otherwise be used for something more useful.

If you ask me, the whole concept of a multirole gunship is a bit dated now. It'd work fine on insurgencies, but against a regular army you'd be better off with a smaller, more specialised tankbuster and leave the strafing attacks to ground attack jets.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:03 pm
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Quoting -> avalella

I loled. This is especially funny because Isreal is one of the most self sufficient countries in the world. It's extremely large military are very well trained, and though their armor is slightly older, their great training more then compensates for this. You are aware that there is mandatory military service for ALL citizens there, including females (they have some of the finest female soldiers the world has seen), and they are all eager to fight for their country. Have fun in the 'nam (as this will most likely escelate to).


I will have fun, considering how most of my army and population is Turkish. I'm sure the Palestinians will help, for what it's worth. I doubt that they'll be able to keep supplying their army for long, I can outlast them. It's a nation of but 8 million, without American support for years. And without American/British/Western support, Israel would have been finished by the Arab League by now. If this is to be my Vietnam, so be it.

Plus, you all in Africa have turned your nations from civil war-torn pieces of land into forces to be reckoned with in at most, two months. Why are you pulling the realism card on me?
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| October 17, 2010, 5:21 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I will have fun, considering how most of my army and population is Turkish. I'm sure the Palestinians will help, for what it's worth. I doubt that they'll be able to keep supplying their army for long, I can outlast them. It's a nation of but 8 million, without American support for years. And without American/British/Western support, Israel would have been finished by the Arab League by now. If this is to be my Vietnam, so be it.

I'm sorry, Awe, but I'd love to be the CM for you going into Israel. Too bad there isn't anyone there. I'm wondering about your realism, 'cause Israel got along just fine before the US gave a major hand to them. Need I remind you of the Six-Day War? The Yom Kippur War? I don't care if you believe there is a God in heaven or not, but He watches over those people because they are His own. With or without the US/western aid, they'll be there until God says otherwise (which won't be until millions disappear worldwide, including me, and the some guy starts babbling about peace for 7 years...). I'd stay out if I were you.

At least be prepared to suffer huge losses, vast economic difficulties, and maybe even a plague or two...Just factor that into your own sims. Oh, yeah, and they have the Merkava!

That's my 0.02
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| October 17, 2010, 5:34 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I will have fun, considering how most of my army and population is Turkish. I'm sure the Palestinians will help, for what it's worth. I doubt that they'll be able to keep supplying their army for long, I can outlast them. It's a nation of but 8 million, without American support for years. And without American/British/Western support, Israel would have been finished by the Arab League by now. If this is to be my Vietnam, so be it.

Plus, you all in Africa have turned your nations from civil war-torn pieces of land into forces to be reckoned with in at most, two months. Why are you pulling the realism card on me?


It seems you're enforcing a totalitarion regime and deleted his comment. How nice.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:42 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm sorry, Awe, but I'd love to be the CM for you going into Israel. Too bad there isn't anyone there. I'm wondering about your realism, 'cause Israel got along just fine before the US gave a major hand to them. Need I remind you of the Six-Day War? The Yom Kippur War? I don't care if you believe there is a God in heaven or not, but He watches over those people because they are His own. With or without the US/western aid, they'll be there until God says otherwise (which won't be until millions disappear worldwide, including me, and the some guy starts babbling about peace for 7 years...). I'd stay out if I were you.

At least be prepared to suffer huge losses, vast economic difficulties, and maybe even a plague or two...Just factor that into your own sims. Oh, yeah, and they have the Merkava!

That's my 0.02


Yea, the whole religion card, I'm not buying it as a reason I can't invade. You know who forced the Israelites out the first time? Romans. Unless I get to call on the Muslims of the world to join me in a jihad against the infidels who occupy Al-Qods, there's no reason they get to stay around simply because God is chill with them.

Given your statement that you want to be combat mod, and given your statement that they won't be beaten and I should stay out, I'm going to respectfully decline your offer. Everyone who has attacked Israel yet hasn't been me. Israel, at most, has 1.5 million people to call on to fight. I have twice that, should I draft like they do and spend time training them.

This is a challenge for me, something no one's given me yet. I blame Cliffe.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:42 pm
If anyone is wondering why I "refuse to show my face in the ICF" lately, it's because I'm off doing better things- last night I had the time of my life in the city with SEVERAL beautiful women, and was worth a lot more to me than any of this is.

I think you all get what I'm hinting at...

But I don't know, this gets addicting.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

It seems you're enforcing a totalitarion regime and deleted his comment. How nice.


He deleted it himself, you pretentious little fool. You're always assuming the worst from me, like with the Italian invasion (I'm Italian, of course I'm not gonna burn the place down!), or when I made fun of German Americans (I'm part German too, I have a right to do that!), or now when Avalella delete his comment before I posted mine (He deleted it!).
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| October 17, 2010, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
last night I had the time of my life in the city with SEVERAL beautiful women...

I think you all get what I'm hinting at...

What street corner were they working?
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| October 17, 2010, 5:48 pm
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Well EXCUUUUUSE ME, Princess.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:52 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Well EXCUUUUUSE ME, Princess.


You're not excused.

Anyone else want to step up and protest my invasion of Israel?

Or better- Anyone else want to get some guts and fight me if you don't like what I'm doing? I DARE you to attack.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:53 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You're not excused.

Anyone else want to step up and protest my invasion of Israel?

Or better- Anyone else want to get some guts and fight me if you don't like what I'm doing? I DARE you to attack.


Oooh, that sounds like a challenge. But why spill my own blood when there are other ways? Other, more effective ways that might backfire on me 10 years down the road.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:57 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You're not excused.

Anyone else want to step up and protest my invasion of Israel?

Or better- Anyone else want to get some guts and fight me if you don't like what I'm doing? I DARE you to attack.

I'm looking to get some combat experience for my new Admiral Neumo Class Destroyer (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44219944@N03/5089263267/)

You can borrow that if you want (it's stationed in Djibouti) to help with the Israeli Navy.
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| October 17, 2010, 5:57 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Oooh, that sounds like a challenge. But why spill my own blood when there are other ways? Other, more effective ways that might backfire on me 10 years down the road.


Yea, it's a challenge to anyone who thinks I shouldn't be doing this. Attack with your cruise missiles, destroy my 1,700 year old city. And see what happens.

Quoting Thomas N
I'm looking to get some combat experience for my new Admiral Neumo Class Destroyer (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44219944@N03/5089263267/)

You can borrow that if you want (it's stationed in Djibouti) to help with the Israeli Navy.


It's a deal.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:00 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


Plus, you all in Africa have turned your nations from civil war-torn pieces of land into forces to be reckoned with in at most, two months. Why are you pulling the realism card on me?

Algeria isn't war torn...
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| October 17, 2010, 6:02 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Algeria isn't war torn...


Algeria had sub-par infrastructure, but that's minor. It' the others ones I was aiming that at. Besides, to me, North Africa is it's own place.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:05 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yea, the whole religion card, I'm not buying it as a reason I can't invade. You know who forced the Israelites out the first time? Romans. Unless I get to call on the Muslims of the world to join me in a jihad against the infidels who occupy Al-Qods, there's no reason they get to stay around simply because God is chill with them.

Given your statement that you want to be combat mod, and given your statement that they won't be beaten and I should stay out, I'm going to respectfully decline your offer. Everyone who has attacked Israel yet hasn't been me. Israel, at most, has 1.5 million people to call on to fight. I have twice that, should I draft like they do and spend time training them.

This is a challenge for me, something no one's given me yet. I blame Cliffe.

Not saying you CAN'T invade, lots have tried.

Trying to win on the ground?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5XYFsZ01ek

Oh, maybe you'll try the air:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMgr6awbwEE

Just saying I'd better not see you walk in like Cliffe tried to in Switzerland. Be realistic, please. This is a game, can't expect to be able to factor in the will of God...

As for the Romans pushing out the Jews, yes they did. And it was God's will foretold hundreds of years in advance and reiterated by Jesus himself about 40 years before it happened. But I can't expect you to know about the finer points of something you don't care to study. Not being condescending, it's just that way.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:07 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great:

My Airforce is potentially available to handle air-to-air encounters, and possibly bombing. The UAC Air Force has taken multiple training courses, and has limited combat experience. The Israeli's have a reputation for courageous pilots, and it would be a challenge I'd like to take on. My superior numbers and machines would give me a definite advantage over theirs.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:10 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Not saying you CAN'T invade, lots have tried.

Trying to win on the ground?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5XYFsZ01ek

Oh, maybe you'll try the air:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMgr6awbwEE

Just saying I'd better not see you walk in like Cliffe tried to in Switzerland. Be realistic, please. This is a game, can't expect to be able to factor in the will of God...

As for the Romans pushing out the Jews, yes they did. And it was God's will foretold hundreds of years in advance and reiterated by Jesus himself about 40 years before it happened. But I can't expect you to know about the finer points of something you don't care to study. Not being condescending, it's just that way.


Well, this ain't a bunch of Soviet-bloc geared up nations attacking. This is a equal or superior military force. I haven't even published my plans of attack yet. In fact, I have studied a little bit in this area, but it's been years since then.

...Hmm, I seem to be confrontational today.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:10 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
My Airforce is potentially available to handle air-to-air encounters, and possibly bombing. The UAC Air Force has taken multiple training courses, and has limited combat experience. The Israeli's have a reputation for courageous pilots, and it would be a challenge I'd like to take on. My superior numbers and machines would give me a definite advantage over theirs.
I don't know why that comment is in bold.

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| October 17, 2010, 6:12 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
My Airforce is potentially available to handle air-to-air encounters, and possibly bombing. The UAC Air Force has taken multiple training courses, and has limited combat experience. The Israeli's have a reputation for courageous pilots, and it would be a challenge I'd like to take on. My superior numbers and machines would give me a definite advantage over theirs.


Accepted. Your assistance will be valuable, I have no medium or heavy bombers. I'll draft those plans and send them to you and Tom.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:12 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
My Airforce is potentially available to handle air-to-air encounters, and possibly bombing. The UAC Air Force has taken multiple training courses, and has limited combat experience. The Israeli's have a reputation for courageous pilots, and it would be a challenge I'd like to take on. My superior numbers and machines would give me a definite advantage over theirs.

AAAAHHH! Why?!?!

Rats, there goes my plan. We can't very well fight each other, can we? Any way I can talk you out of this?

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Well, this ain't a bunch of Soviet-bloc geared up nations attacking. This is a equal or superior military force. I haven't even published my plans of attack yet. In fact, I have studied a little bit in this area, but it's been years since then.

...Hmm, I seem to be confrontational today.

Yes, you are. So am I, I suppose. I just really like Israel. I once considered peaceful integration with them, but everyone would have laughed and called nonsense like "Religious differences" and other stuff like that...

Too bad, I hate to see them go.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:17 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I had found after that time that John Dawn's Kestrel is actually the best I have seen so far.

Thanks. :D
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| October 17, 2010, 6:19 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
The Kestrel has a very thin airframe, which leads me to believe that it would not be able to hold much feul and wouldn't be very strong. Check out my AH-1 sometime.

You want me to top it, after the Dawn Forge mech I promised you're on.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:19 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
AAAAHHH! Why?!?!

Rats, there goes my plan. We can't very well fight each other, can we? Any way I can talk you out of this?


You wish to do battle?
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| October 17, 2010, 6:19 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
AAAAHHH! Why?!?!

Rats, there goes my plan. We can't very well fight each other, can we? Any way I can talk you out of this?

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Well, this ain't a bunch of Soviet-bloc geared up nations attacking. This is a equal or superior military force. I haven't even published my plans of attack yet. In fact, I have studied a little bit in this area, but it's been years since then.

...Hmm, I seem to be confrontational today.

Yes, you are. So am I, I suppose. I just really like Israel. I once considered peaceful integration with them, but everyone would have laughed and called nonsense like "Religious differences" and other stuff like that...

Too bad, I hate to see them go.

The way I see it, I'd rather have Awesome get it than some random clonie who joins in. Awesome has a (fairly) level head. Who knows who'd get it if we left it open. I've considered invading it before, but I don't have enough force on my own, plus we're seperated by Prusso-Egypt. If you want more details, lets start up a discussion in the IOA group.
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| October 17, 2010, 6:26 pm
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