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International Conversation Forum XXXV
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Got tired of scrolling through that mess and didn't want it to linger as long as the last one did.

I saw that the scroll bar was about the size for 34 as it was for 33, so I'd guess we're just as gabby.

Obligatory highlights:
-War in Africa
-War in Europe
-Tension in the Americas
-2 types of people in this group: Those who are at war, and those who aren't very active
-Two different combat moderators now

Have at it!
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| October 23, 2010, 7:42 pm
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I'll go first.

The port works in the Ivory Coast have finished their first naval ship for India, a Cheetah-class destroyer. Munitions for the ship are being flown in as we speak from India. The long way around, unfortunately, due to warzones.

China is all but done (at least that I can assume), a few hold-out units are being called upon to surrender and maintain their arms and rank in the new army.

Production coming along splendidly on the Phoenix-class vessels (pics soon). Other stuff goes pretty much the same. Patrols still in effect.
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| October 23, 2010, 7:49 pm
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@Awe: I'm actually not involved in the war. So I'm open to mod, if there is some problem.

I see where Cliffe is saying Ultra is biased. He was just fighting in the same theatre.
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| October 23, 2010, 7:57 pm
I'll go second. ;D

- F-2 production begins, 1 squadron is scheduled to be finished this week.
- Airfields and other possible targets are defended well against attack
- Missle Silos operational

Check my Flickr for a Light-Tank prototype.
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| October 23, 2010, 8:12 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I see where Cliffe is saying Ultra is biased. He was just fighting in the same theatre.

Not anymore.

And you are threatening a European power! How does that not make you at war.

The PCU (my ally against you) is now fighting alongside Cliffe, he's my friend, more or less, so chill.
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| October 23, 2010, 8:14 pm
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Well here we go. First, to start off this war report, I want to establish something.

I have received statements from both sides that the Swedes would side with them. I'm now going to state my determinations on that. Cliffe, I call BS on your statements that "the Swedes are a HUGE fan of Prussia" , "they jumped up and immediately requested to be annexed by the Kingdom of Prussia.", and "these crazy Swedes want to become Prussians for whatever reason". You're making that up. Also, Youtube flame wars are no indication of one nation's desire to "kill off" another.

So, I'm going to say that more Swedes would favor the Finnish rising to the occasion to resurrect their once proud Swedish independence. I believe that most Swedish people's will favor having democracy reinstated than becoming part of a dictatorial Germany.

So with that, I'm placing Swedish opinions at: citizens: 20% for Germany, 80% for Finland. Military 50% for each.

This split of the former Swedish military has led to disagreements and even infighting among Swedish divisions, and this has made them less than effective against the Finnish.

So then, to combat:

In the Baltic, a force of 30 Destroyers and 10 Frigates rushed the Royal Navy today. Facing a fleet of superior numbers and far superior ships, this attack was less than successful.
Meanwhile, a wolf-pack of U-boats attempted another assault, hoping that the British fleet had been sufficiently distracted. The U-boat, while its knife-hull makes it aquadynamic, is unstealthy. This force was picked up before they could even get into torpedo range, and subsequently, bombarded with ASW planes, and ASW weapons from Destroyers and stealthy Type-4s. The entire German operation was doomed to fail, and the wolf-pack, after being split up and scattered, was hunted down by Type-4s until every U-boat was either sunken or got away.

The German fleet, after taking heavy losses attacking the British, attempted to run, but was cornered by the Russian fleet to the east. The Russians let loose a hellfire of guns and missiles, and once again went with an attrition attack aimed at utterly devastating the German fleet. While after today there are still a few German boast left floating, they will be hunted down over the course of a good week.

On land, The Finnish and British have put up a brilliant fight, and facing only a smaller force of German tanks, and a few German-loyal pieces of former Swedish tank corps, have pushed a good distance into Northern Sweden and Finland and have linked up with the air units dropped into Bodo. Bodo air base is now secure behind the Finnish lines, which causes an odd shape to form in the front lines of the area. Germans to the north have been cut off from the south, and those in the north are expected to be eliminated quickly over the next few days, while those to the south (which for some reason had the mistaken belief that they would be able to counterattack and push the fight onto Finnish soil) are finsing themselves on the defensive, and likely to remain that way. While the Germans have finally succeeded in putting up a staunch defense and slowing the allied advance, the Finnish are calling on reservists now stationed on the Finnish border to secure the captured territory and beef up the attack force.

In Stockholm, I have checked most available resources, and found that, due to wishes of a peaceful atmosphere, there are no military bases within Stockholm itself. So, Cliffe's claim that "Sweden's best tank division is based there" can only be reproved that they are stationed somewhere close to, but outside the city, and are now trapped outside the city by the encirclement of the Finns. In the city, there is very-light-to-no armed opposition, (and only about 20% aggravated citizens) to oppose Finland's restoration of a democratic power there. The occupation of the city has been successful, and now reordering of the democratic government will commence.

Meanwhile, F-18Ds with Maverick ATGMs flew to intercept the Swedish Armored Division that is inbound to Stockholm. This attack had devastating results, and without most of those men who supported Finland's liberation, the division was undermanned and unable to effectively defend against a coordinated air attack. They have suffered heavy losses, along with the other Swedish tank division and two additional infantry regiments that were sent as well.

Cliffe you mentioned something about "an unbelievable 600 Ho-XII stealth flying wing fighters" and along with 150 Black Eagle IIS, 500 Black Eagle Is, and a few more planes? You're right. That is unbelievable. So unbelievable, in fact, that I'm going to have to refine it. All the German aircraft able to be taken away from the Russian conflict have been sent to Scandinavia, this plus loyal Scandinavian areal units still doesn't measure up to several hundreds, but is still rather formidable. However, in trying to transverse the Baltic, they came under heavy fire from the Allied fleet's considerable air defenses. Great losses were taken especially considering their persistence to reach Scandinavia, and there they fought more air force elements, including the anti-air emplacements set up by the Finns all the way from the border to Bodo. So, the German air attack has been foiled, and planes have to either decide to land in Sweden, where they would be at risk, or fly back to Germany, where they also risk being shot at again by the Allied Naval anti-air.


In East Prussia, the war of Attrition continues as usual, with the Germans putting up staunch defense in the suburbs, and building even stauncher defenses in the city itself. The Russians are now considering using flamethrower tactics, whose effectiveness will be shown with time.

Russian sleeper teams in Germany were foiled when they attempted to steal tech blueprints, and when a 10-man team was shot down when they tried to fly off in a German helicopter. Other Russian sleeper teams are being tasked with sabotaging the Luftwaffe, to aid the Europeans, and have been greatly successful in that.
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| October 23, 2010, 9:27 pm
9034 comments! I'll be the first to say IT'S OVER 9000!!!!
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| October 23, 2010, 10:28 pm
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600 stealth plans is unbelievable, apparently. I hope I get to keep my 600 F-16s.
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| October 23, 2010, 10:28 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
600 stealth plans is unbelievable, apparently. I hope I get to keep my 600 F-16s.

more than that, his attack for constituted over 1000 aircraft, which is entirely unbelievable. For a whole air force however, 600 is a good number.
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| October 23, 2010, 10:34 pm
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Quoting Brikkr
9034 comments! I'll be the first to say IT'S OVER 9000!!!!

apparently, we're the group with the fourth most conversation. Right after someone's superman comics homepage, the UNE, and a clonie group called "the most active group on MOCpages".
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| October 23, 2010, 10:36 pm
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Illustrating the amazingly fluid nature of modern warfare comes today's CR.

On the ground:
Algerian and Egyptian forces both disengaged in Libya today after yesterday's heated battles. Skirmishing continued throughout most of the day, but the large forces no longer engaged each other. Algerian forces pulled back to defensive positions around the borders and the coastline. Air defenses are being beefed up all around strategic targets or targets of opportunity. Heavy naval patrols continue and extreme ranges.

Egypt, meanwhile, adjourned to the Egyptian-Libyan border to await further actions by the Algerians, who themselves appear to be doing the same. The Sudanese-USCA border is still occupied, and Egyptians are waiting for PCU reinforcements which were reached the lines today.
The PCU attempted a two-prong assault on the USCA at the towns of Gelember and Nzili, Chad. This assault was well-coordinated and went off like clockwork. USCA reinforcements were relentlessly pounded by PCU air elements and fire-support from the nearby town of Muterr. The cities are about 20% each in PCU hands right now. Bitter fighting is ongoing.

The USCA themselves launched another rather large attack in Libya, advancing methodically, yet unopposed, into now former Algerian defensive positions. They had a few firefights with Egyptian stragglers, but nothing major to report. However, they have now found themselves outflanked by the PCU, with most of their advanced fighters in the north, and must consider carefully their next move.

The Nigerians, not to be outdone, spent the day shoring up Algerian AA positions. Another quite explosive maneuver sees an unknown number of paratroopers landing in and securing Benghazi International Airport. The city itself is now about 75% secured, not so much by resistance as by methodical organization.

Losses:
5 PCU GAP-1s
1 PCU Copter

In the air:
The sky was clear of PCU aircraft today. The same could not be said for Algerians who, in a daring raid, penetrated an isolated area of Egyptian airspace, heavily bombed the Aswan Canal Bridge (with a heart-felt apology to the Pacificans). The damage was extensive, and repairs will take a couple days. Heavy air patrols over the Nigerian lands.

Losses:
8 Algerian VTOLs to Egyptian and PCU AA/fighters.
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| October 23, 2010, 10:39 pm
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Yusss. Like clockwork the PCU does its job.
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| October 23, 2010, 10:49 pm
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Completion of the 5 Hydras under construction is mere days away due to an inflated workforce.

We thank France for their most generous allocation of additional SAMs. After being shipped by air, they are being positioned in various positions around my territory.


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| October 23, 2010, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
apparently, we're the group with the fourth most conversation. Right after someone's superman comics homepage, the UNE, and a clonie group called "the most active group on MOCpages".


As Awe once said "We're the cool kids of the school".
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| October 23, 2010, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
apparently, we're the group with the fourth most conversation. Right after someone's superman comics homepage, the UNE, and a clonie group called "the most active group on MOCpages".


Wrong, that'd make us the 5th most conversed group on MOCpages.

You know who's number 1? They have so much conversation, Sean disabled it from showing up simply to be fair to everyone else. Gentlemen, I present to you...

http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/811
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| October 23, 2010, 11:09 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


Yeah, right.
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| October 23, 2010, 11:17 pm
Well, I am hopeing not to loose too many men over the course of the week...
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| October 23, 2010, 11:21 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

On the topic of Rainbow warriors...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df-qO8X0-OY&feature=related
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| October 23, 2010, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


Yeah, right.


Yea, right, the COP does not have 20K conversation when the meter obviously reads so, or yea right, I don't have 600 F-16s?
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| October 23, 2010, 11:33 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
On the topic of Rainbow warriors...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df-qO8X0-OY&feature=related


What does Rainbow warriors have to do with anything?
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| October 23, 2010, 11:33 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yea, right, the COP does not have 20K conversation when the meter obviously reads so

Yeah right
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| October 23, 2010, 11:39 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah right


Hey, we've been around for nearly two years now, and have many long conversations. Are you proposing the conversation counters are lying? I mean, I've been watching them go up for months and months ever so slowly.
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| October 23, 2010, 11:42 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hey, we've been around for nearly two years now, and have many long conversations. Are you proposing the conversation counters are lying? I mean, I've been watching them go up for months and months ever so slowly.

Yeah right
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| October 23, 2010, 11:44 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah right


Now you're being a troll. I shall take no further part in this.
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| October 23, 2010, 11:47 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Now you're being a troll. I shall take no further part in this.

Ah, I'm just pulling your chain. I did think you were joking at first, but then I remembered awhile back it was at 17,000-ish.
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| October 23, 2010, 11:48 pm
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Breaking news: Today on the transports containing the first of 200,000 Scandinavians, riots have started up due to the total war being waged. These ex-soldiers had mostly wanted to return to a life of peace with their families. They threaten to overtake the ships and turn them around. The Mexican government has made it clear that Marines stationed onboard are not responsible for any deaths in result of self defense.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:02 am
I give up.

I simply give up.

I'm about to leave this forever, throw away my legos, and give up.

The Swedes would NEVER leave our side for the Finns, they hate the Finns, and have a huge amount of their own independence. They largely rule themselves; we don't opress them at all.

They have their own King and parliament. They make their own frakking laws. They're essentially independent. And as of now, I'm going to FORCE them to be completely independent, whether they like it or not, because it's "unrealistic" for them to support a nation they like. Apparently, no matter what, people of a certain country will ALWAYS want to be independent and will never support another country. Texas must have never asked for annexation by the U.S. way back when, because it's "unrealistic."

I don't understand why they would want to be UNDER FINNISH RULE, which WILL happen eventually. The Swedes look down upon the Finns almost no matter what, and would be afraid to even have them fight for their independence for fear of annexation.

That last report of Tom's, to me, is now officially B.S. I will not abide by its results. Tomorrow I will post MY OWN rendition of the front SHOULD BE if I have to.

I will also contact a Swedish freelance composer I know and see what he thinks of all this. I eagerly await the morrow.

Tom, I now want to rip your head off. You're not human anyway, you're just a robot programmed for "realism."
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| October 24, 2010, 12:33 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Long rant about Losing


Regain your composure. You cannot be serious that you would throw away your Lego because of a silly game? Why not just end the conflict?!
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| October 24, 2010, 12:43 am
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Cliffe, it could be worse. Evan and Erik and Tom could have just backstabbed you and invaded all your territory and cause you to lose everything.

At least this time, Germany and Egypt are safe (for now). You're only losing in Sweden and Norway.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:45 am
HOW ARE U-BOATS ANY LESS STEALTHY THAN OTHER SUBMARINES??? If anything, they should be MORE stealthy due to their angular shape.

It doesn't matter if there aren't any CURRENT military bases in Stockholm, don't you think I would have built some there??? If you say that... oh forget it.

Because of the fact that I sent very logical, thought out plans as well as reasons that the Swedes would fight for me, which were all completely defenestrated, I have lost all faith in this MOCpages community. Tomorrow I'm completely leaving and moving here: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=prusso-egypt

Yeah, that's right, I have somewhere to go now, as well as issues to solve every day, just like a real government.

I'd love to see you all follow me, it would be amusing to see how things turn out.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:45 am
Quoting Nick Shelton

Regain your composure. You cannot be serious that you would throw away your Lego because of a silly game? Why not just end the conflict?!

Because I would be ending the conflict because of B.S.

That's why.

I simply cannot submit to B.S. I have to throw it out the window, which I consider leaving to be equivalent to.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:46 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Cliffe, it could be worse. Evan and Erik and Tom could have just backstabbed you and invaded all your territory and cause you to lose everything.

At least this time, Germany and Egypt are safe (for now). You're only losing in Sweden and Norway.

Yeah, and it is my firm belief that Sweden is currently (in 2010) the best country in the WORLD, and I have an actual Norwegian serving under me as King of Norway. I suuuuure wish he was here now. He says he'll be available soon. I'd really hate to tell him that his country has been stolen by the British and Finnish.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:48 am
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You know what Cliffe. Fine. Leave. You aren't proving that you are more mature than us, or that you're better composed in leading a country. You're proving that you are a sore loser. Someone who can't stand losing just a small bit of land. I lost South America and all my overseas territory. You lost a bunch of trees and snow covered land. Suck it up!
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| October 24, 2010, 12:48 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, and it is my firm belief that Sweden is currently (in 2010) the best country in the WORLD, and I have an actual Norwegian serving under me as King of Norway. I suuuuure wish he was here now. He says he'll be available soon. I'd really hate to tell him that his country has been stolen by the British and Finnish.


Remember when you started rebellions across the PCU and everyone backed the Texas revolt?

Same thing can happen with Norway.

On the other note, since we know you so well, here's my advice right now: Stand up, walk away, beat up some stuff around the house, wait 20 minutes, and then return to the computer and see if you still feel up to deleting your account.

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| October 24, 2010, 12:51 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
HOW ARE U-BOATS ANY LESS STEALTHY THAN OTHER SUBMARINES??? If anything, they should be MORE stealthy due to their angular shape.

It doesn't matter if there aren't any CURRENT military bases in Stockholm, don't you think I would have built some there??? If you say that... oh forget it.


That doesn't even make any sense. Curved, smooth surfaces are vastly superior in terms of stealthiness to angular, jutting shapes.

And you say that you let the Swedes retain their freedoms, but you would build military bases within city limits of the capital city of a nation of peace-loving people?

And me being a robot bent on realism, yes only to the latter. When you forsake realism, the entire order of things in this group just goes downhill. Things no longer make sense, and pretty soon we who actually enjoy an accurate, geopolitical/modern warfare experience are left watching things spiral out of control.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:52 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Because I would be ending the conflict because of B.S.

That's why.

I simply cannot submit to B.S. I have to throw it out the window, which I consider leaving to be equivalent to.

On another note, no one wants to see you ragequit again, why don't you just calm down and stop taking this all too seriously?
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| October 24, 2010, 12:54 am
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
HOW ARE U-BOATS ANY LESS STEALTHY THAN OTHER SUBMARINES??? If anything, they should be MORE stealthy due to their angular shape.

It doesn't matter if there aren't any CURRENT military bases in Stockholm, don't you think I would have built some there??? If you say that... oh forget it.


That doesn't even make any sense. Curved, smooth surfaces are vastly superior in terms of stealthiness to angular, jutting shapes.

And you say that you let the Swedes retain their freedoms, but you would build military bases within city limits of the capital city of a nation of peace-loving people?

And me being a robot bent on realism, yes only to the latter. When you forsake realism, the entire order of things in this group just goes downhill. Things no longer make sense, and pretty soon we who actually enjoy an accurate, geopolitical/modern warfare experience are left watching things spiral out of control.

GEOPOLITICAL?????


















...




I... just... can't believe it... I can't think of anything more... ridiculous...
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| October 24, 2010, 12:59 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Please calm down. Honestly, I think it would be best if you would just calm down a little and hear out what I have to say.
1st of all, as you always say, lego is about immagination. Playing RPGs like this isnt the most imaginative thing out there. I often get frustrated with legos, and often take a break from what I'm currently building in and try something else. While I love the UFS theme, sometimes I honestly get bored of building in it, and venture into other realms. For me, lego is a way for me to do what I want, whether it be custom figs, WWII, clonetarding, UFS, modern military, or 21st Century World. If you are seriously considering throwing away your legos, I urge you to reconsider. While everyone must grow up at some point, I don't think you should give up a hobby of yours just because your lacking in a small area. You may want to re-evaluate what you want from your hobby, and maybe try some other things (you seem like the wargaming type, how about milsim?). Not everyone will win everything, I know this may sound lame, but were not AIs here. Were other people, and we want to win just as badly as you do. Also, you hating on the mods is getting a bit ridiculous. They are taking their time and effort into this, not because they like to, but because they are trying to give something back to this community. Please give them some credit, as they are trying.
Onto the subject of cigar shape vs U boat hulls. Cigar shape hulls have been proven time and time again to be much more efficient and effective.
I really dont want to piss you off right now, but I think you should actual listen to what I have to say. This game is not real life, your other game isnt real life. If you truly are about to walk away from your problems, you arent solving anything. Lets face it, playing a game that gives you "issues to solve everyday, just like a real country!" is nowhere near like a real country. Ask any president, and they'll tell you that its one of the hardest, most stressful jobs in the world. If you want to try leading someone or something, get off the computer and join the boy scouts, teen freedom corps, or any other service activity. Frankly, I dont care how good any other nation is in this game, because at the end of the day, just like in any other video game, I really only do it to get to chat with my friends. If this was just about running a country, I would've never have joined. Its the inner politics and backstabbing treachery that keeps us all coming back. Heck, maybe all you want is a leadership sim, but trust me, nothing can compare to the real world. So if you still want to quit and do something else, please dont expect me to follow you. Its been a pleasure to know you, and I hope we cross eachother's paths again in the crazy world of the interwebz, but until then, goodbye.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:03 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
GEOPOLITICAL?????


















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I... just... can't believe it... I can't think of anything more... ridiculous...

Do you even know what that means? That's what alot of people are here for...
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| October 24, 2010, 1:05 am
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Quoting -> avalella
Do you even know what that means? That's what alot of people are here for...


I'm here for the lulz.

>.>

Not really.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:06 am
Also, I don't think the Swedes would take very kindly to having their government "reorganized" for them. At all. I think they would want to make their own government.

Which we had already let them do. They will SURELY revolt at having their own government being taken down by invaders.

Tomorrow, I will fight back ferociously, and expect some sort of success. I will throw everything I have at them. On all fronts. This is the end for you, Matt, Evan, Avelella. THE END.

Awe, Nick, I now request your full support. It would be kinda nice if you were to declare war on my enemies and start attacking them now. This is now a fight to the death. This is global total war.

Awe, if you leave Israel for now and divert troops to Europe I promise you I will help you take it in a ferocious blitzkrieg later.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:06 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
GEOPOLITICAL?????
I... just... can't believe it... I can't think of anything more... ridiculous...

You HAVE to chill! Remember when you asked all of us what we thought you were doing wrong?

We told you, and you've done absolutely nothing to fix it. Apparently, you can't even see yourself, let alone fix it.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:07 am
Quoting -> avalella
Do you even know what that means? That's what alot of people are here for...

Yeah, I was thinking of its traditional meaning.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:08 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Awe, Nick, I now request your full support. It would be kinda nice if you were to declare war on my enemies and start attacking them now. This is now a fight to the death. This is global total war.

Awe, if you leave Israel for now and divert troops to Europe I promise you I will help you take it in a ferocious blitzkrieg later.


@Paragraph one: That would mean declaring war on the IRA, which is right next to me, and the Evan/Matt team, which would probably bring in Bohemia against me, which is just across the river that MOCpages hates. And I just arranged a deal in Africa to start the peace process. I can't find a four front war.

@Paragraph 2: Well, that'll get rid of the third front, but it'll also give them time to prepare defenses. I'll be fighting Russia in the skies and in the Caucus (probably brining in BEAR against me), I'll be fighting Africa in Libya (probably) and Equatorial Guinea, and surely, Evan and Matt will find a way to attack me from afar, not to mention the threat of Bohemia. And then there's the unlikely scenario of Erik breaking the deal and opening up an Italian/Slovenian front.

That's from at least a 3 front war to at most a 7 front war. My economy wouldn't last a week in that.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:11 am
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I'm sorry Cliffe, but I just cannot fight in Europe. The most I could do would be send supplies. My economy is in dire need of a Black Man from Hawaii as it is, don't want to have to bailout people.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:11 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
You HAVE to chill! Remember when you asked all of us what we thought you were doing wrong?

We told you, and you've done absolutely nothing to fix it. Apparently, you can't even see yourself, let alone fix it.

Hand me a mirror and I'll take a look at myself >.>

I can't fix flipping out when I find out B.S. is killing my troops, I believe that's a natural reaction. To me saying the Swedes want to help the Finns is just like saying Godzilla trampled Berlin.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:12 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm sorry Cliffe, but I just cannot fight in Europe. The most I could do would be send supplies. My economy is in dire need of a Black Man from Hawaii as it is, don't want to have to bailout people.

You can help in Africa still I suppose...
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| October 24, 2010, 1:13 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, I don't think the Swedes would take very kindly to having their government "reorganized" for them. At all. I think they would want to make their own government.

Which we had already let them do. They will SURELY revolt at having their own government being taken down by invaders.

Tomorrow, I will fight back ferociously, and expect some sort of success. I will throw everything I have at them. On all fronts. This is the end for you, Matt, Evan, Avelella. THE END.

May the best commander win. Also, will someone ever spell my last name right. It's vAlella!!!! A. VALELLA!!!!
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| October 24, 2010, 1:13 am
Quoting -> avalella
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, I don't think the Swedes would take very kindly to having their government "reorganized" for them. At all. I think they would want to make their own government.

Which we had already let them do. They will SURELY revolt at having their own government being taken down by invaders.

Tomorrow, I will fight back ferociously, and expect some sort of success. I will throw everything I have at them. On all fronts. This is the end for you, Matt, Evan, Avelella. THE END.

May the best commander win. Also, will someone ever spell my last name right. It's vAlella!!!! A. VALELLA!!!!

I forgot about peace...

>.>

You're off the hook as long as you stop being so *(&#@(^ cocky.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:15 am
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Quoting -> avalella
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, I don't think the Swedes would take very kindly to having their government "reorganized" for them. At all. I think they would want to make their own government.

Which we had already let them do. They will SURELY revolt at having their own government being taken down by invaders.

Tomorrow, I will fight back ferociously, and expect some sort of success. I will throw everything I have at them. On all fronts. This is the end for you, Matt, Evan, Avelella. THE END.

May the best commander win. Also, will someone ever spell my last name right. It's vAlella!!!! A. VALELLA!!!!

Heck, I could take Egypt with 1000 men, 100 tanks, and forty good aircraft.

Why? Superior tactics.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:15 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Heck, I could take Egypt with 1000 men, 100 tanks, and forty good aircraft.

Why? Superior tactics.

Except you're the mod, so invading wouldn't be kosher.

Kosher, I have no idea why I said it that way...

And, as to previous accusations about me being against Prusso-Egypt, No, I am not. I'm simply running this conflict in the most realistic way possible.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:18 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Except you're the mod, so invading wouldn't be kosher.

Kosher, I have no idea why I said it that way...

And, as to previous accusations about me being against Prusso-Egypt, No, I am not. I'm simply running this conflict in the most realistic way possible.

It's a blessing and a curse...
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| October 24, 2010, 1:20 am
*twitch* Cliffe... Did you just say.... "Legos"? *twitch escalates* Think "fish", or "sheep". The plural form is Lego. I buold LEGO.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:24 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
It's a blessing and a curse...

That sounds like it could be a song!

"It's a blessing and a curse,
It's the best yet it's the worst..."

I really need to stop staying up this late...
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| October 24, 2010, 1:24 am
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Quoting John Moffatt
*twitch* Cliffe... Did you just say.... "Legos"? *twitch escalates* Think "fish", or "sheep". The plural form is Lego. I buold LEGO.

buold?
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| October 24, 2010, 1:24 am
Also, the UNE is in the top 5 groups for conversation? Cool.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:25 am
Quoting Thomas N
buold?

My inner grammer Nazi is a hypocrite.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:26 am
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Quoting Thomas N
That sounds like it could be a song!

"It's a blessing and a curse,
It's the best yet it's the worst..."

I really need to stop staying up this late...


You should see what Phaze is up to on Gmail right now. My reaction so far has been: o_o
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| October 24, 2010, 1:26 am
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Quoting Thomas N
That sounds like it could be a song!

"It's a blessing and a curse,
It's the best yet it's the worst..."

I really need to stop staying up this late...

I know, I'm signing off now, all.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:31 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I know, I'm signing off now, all.

Me too, g'night.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:33 am
Wow, I didn't realize it's quarter to twelve...
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| October 24, 2010, 1:44 am
I just read through the entire topic...

*sniff*
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| October 24, 2010, 4:32 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Got tired of scrolling through that mess and didn't want it to linger as long as the last one did.

I saw that the scroll bar was about the size for 34 as it was for 33, so I'd guess we're just as gabby.

Obligatory highlights:
-War in Africa
-War in Europe
-Tension in the Americas
-2 types of people in this group: Those who are at war, and those who aren't very active
-Two different combat moderators now

Have at it!
The comment are over 9000!. and im sure someone will say you noticed then

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| October 24, 2010, 9:38 am
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OK Cliffe. Ragequit if you want to.

Per the goverernment of Sweden, if you read carefully, I restored the government power, and I have no interest of conquering. If I eventually win I am leaving Sweden and Norway under their own rule, or perhaps some military pact. I have no interest in conquering, and that would defeat the point of my campaign: to ensure autonomy in Scandinavia.

As per the mods and the diretion of the war for you,, just chill. You admit that you do not care too much about them, otherwise you would have utilized them in the past. You have only had them 4 months too, so its not like you have been getting too much out of them.

While Norway and Sweden are not exactly best buds with the Finns, they all belong on the Nordic Council, and they have good relations. Your comments are based on internet arguments, which is in effect, like saying that the US hates the entire world because Europeans say so. Unless you hate the world, then I say that my point is vindicated.

If you desire, I can have one of my REAL FINNISH FRIENDS write an entire essay on how the Scandinavian countries get along fine, in fact, before planning and launching the liberation, I asked for his input on the support. He said that while it would not work out so well if Finland decided to invade for no reason, he also confirmed that Scandinavia has about as much to do with Germany as Aregentina does with China. Not that much, other than being in the same continent. Like I said before, they are part of the Nordic Council and respect each other for that.

As for the "realsim issues", specifically involving the subs (which seem to be your main gripe at the moment), sure, they have less drag (even that is debatable), but they cannot go as deep (due to the box shape), and they make more noise. Since Modern ASW relies on Passive Sonar (picking up sounds from things, not bouncing things back), any noise is fatal. Just sayin'

Oh, and back to the desertions and popular support, I made my case to Tom, but I did not try to force him into a corner saying that it was definite. Even with the Bodo Main Air station, I asked him to evaluate that position. And frankly, I think that he made the right call, with 80-20 support and 50-50 military support. That alone is fair enough, honestly. So stop complaining, because I am not whining that not all of the people are for me. I can accept these things.

And if you ragequit again, no one will follow you.
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| October 24, 2010, 10:35 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker


So, basically, you're going to replace the government of Sweden, controlled by a member(Anders Cutterhill), and put him out of the ordeal. Hmmm....
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| October 24, 2010, 10:41 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

So, basically, you're going to replace the government of Sweden, controlled by a member(Anders Cutterhill), and put him out of the ordeal. Hmmm....

Cliffe controls Sweden, Anders controls Norway.
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| October 24, 2010, 10:51 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Cliffe controls Sweden, Anders controls Norway.


I was going to restore government to Sweden, while allowing Anders to stay in Norway as ruler. Of course, I could not skip over Norway in this liberation as it would have left a vulnerable northern and Western flank. However, unlike Nick forcing out Ham and Gober, I will make sure that Anders can keep Norway. Also, this is a liberation from Cliffe, and I have nothing against Anders. So he can stay once this has run its course.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:06 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Breaking news: Today on the transports containing the first of 200,000 Scandinavians, riots have started up due to the total war being waged. These ex-soldiers had mostly wanted to return to a life of peace with their families. They threaten to overtake the ships and turn them around. The Mexican government has made it clear that Marines stationed onboard are not responsible for any deaths in result of self defense.


Sorry that I missed this little tidbit, but if these troops are going to be violent and unsupportive of the liberation of the territories that they were captured defending, then they can stay in whatever POW camp that they were in.

Also, what gives you the power to say what a foreign population is doing? I could say that the Mexican populus hates the ex-SRGL and are all starting to fight back. Not that it will, but you get my point.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:39 pm
(dont ask about the new name) im thinking of trying to take a bit of northern france
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| October 24, 2010, 12:50 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
(dont ask about the new name) im thinking of trying to take a bit of northern france

You do realize that Britain and I are in cahoots, right? And that the quality of my forces obviously outrank yours by standards of seniority, quality, and training? And that my territory allows me many different branches of service and your territory is compacted and logistically terrorized?

Think about these things and see if you still want to have a go at me. I'd be more than obliged to retaliate. And I seriously don't mean to come off as undermining you, but there is a large case of advantages working with me and against you if we're to go one-on-one.
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| October 24, 2010, 12:59 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I lol'd.


With paratroopers armed with vickers as well!
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| October 24, 2010, 12:59 pm
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Bohemia would like to issue a warning to Poland. Should Poland take any military action against a member of the UFE, these actions will be meet with swift and devistating consequences, being the invasion of Poland by Bohemian forces.

At current, Bohemian air and ground defenses continue to be bolstered along the border with Germany. Forces on the border with Poland are being increased, as they continue to be in a status of combat readiness.

With Rome still considering Bohemia a potential threat, the Bohemian government would like to offer a defense pact similar to that of the France-Rome agreement in order to ease apprehensions.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:06 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
You do realize that Britain and I are in cahoots, right? And that the quality of my forces obviously outrank yours by standards of seniority, quality, and training? And that my territory allows me many different branches of service and your territory is compacted and logistically terrorized?

Think about these things and see if you still want to have a go at me. I'd be more than obliged to retaliate. And I seriously don't mean to come off as undermining you, but there is a large case of advantages working with me and against you if we're to go one-on-one.
cancel operations ok im stoping

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| October 24, 2010, 1:16 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I lol'd.
and that comment i deleted because it sounded so stup1d to me

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| October 24, 2010, 1:19 pm
Quoting Shk Ad Aw
Bohemia would like to issue a warning to Poland. Should Poland take any military action against a member of the UFE, these actions will be meet with swift and devistating consequences, being the invasion of Poland by Bohemian forces.

At current, Bohemian air and ground defenses continue to be bolstered along the border with Germany. Forces on the border with Poland are being increased, as they continue to be in a status of combat readiness.

With Rome still considering Bohemia a potential threat, the Bohemian government would like to offer a defense pact similar to that of the France-Rome agreement in order to ease apprehensions.
ok im stopping

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| October 24, 2010, 1:20 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

With paratroopers armed with vickers as well!
i decided not to give them to the para troopers but to give them to machine gun corps

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| October 24, 2010, 1:21 pm
Elite forces training complete, going to send them off shortly
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| October 24, 2010, 1:35 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Well, that is interesting.

On the recent topic of discussion, per usual group doctrine, if someone is invaded and conquered, as in this case Norway, aren't they usually booted to another country to start over if they wish?

Not that this kid ever seems to be active at all anyway. Matt should be able to overthrow his Germanic puppet regime and reinstate the actual King's Government in Norway.

Hmm...
I wonder how this will turn out.
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| October 24, 2010, 1:42 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Elite forces training complete, going to send them off shortly
may russia have an alliance with poland

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| October 24, 2010, 2:13 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I was going to restore government to Sweden, while allowing Anders to stay in Norway as ruler. Of course, I could not skip over Norway in this liberation as it would have left a vulnerable northern and Western flank. However, unlike Nick forcing out Ham and Gober, I will make sure that Anders can keep Norway. Also, this is a liberation from Cliffe, and I have nothing against Anders. So he can stay once this has run its course.

Last time I let someone stay in their area they seceded again. Just saying.
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| October 24, 2010, 2:35 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Last time I let someone stay in their area they seceded again. Just saying.


I'll play it by ear.
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| October 24, 2010, 2:36 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
and somehow i don't think you'll be laughing about the vickers gun when its in combat not a threat just saying

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| October 24, 2010, 2:40 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Elite forces training complete, going to send them off shortly

You trained a million men in less than two weeks?
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| October 24, 2010, 2:41 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
and somehow i don't think you'll be laughing about the vickers gun when its in combat not a threat just saying

I will be. It's old, and you'll have trouble finding the parts because it's like 150 years old.

Plus, if it was soooo good, why did people make better ones and forget about the Vickers?


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| October 24, 2010, 2:44 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I will be. It's old, and you'll have trouble finding the parts because it's like 150 years old.

Plus, if it was soooo good, why did people make better ones and forget about the Vickers?

you forget using the same gun would be bad but ive upgraded it it has a higher rpm lighter 10 kg (same as an mg03) oil cooled so it dosent freeze still 303 caliber and still very reliable
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| October 24, 2010, 2:48 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Nick Shelton
I will be. It's old, and you'll have trouble finding the parts because it's like 150 years old.

Plus, if it was soooo good, why did people make better ones and forget about the Vickers?

you forget using the same gun would be bad but ive upgraded it it has a higher rpm lighter 10 kg (same as an mg03) oil cooled so it dosent freeze still 303 caliber and still very reliable

By now, even the MG3 is old. So you should REALLY look into buying new onces from other sources.
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| October 24, 2010, 2:55 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Hey Awe, I think you can moderate Israel yerself now, considering Ultra got what he wanted from it.


Can do.


Quoting Shk Ad Aw
With Rome still considering Bohemia a potential threat, the Bohemian government would like to offer a defense pact similar to that of the France-Rome agreement in order to ease apprehensions.


I accept.
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| October 24, 2010, 2:56 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
By now, even the MG3 is old. So you should REALLY look into buying new onces from other sources.
i like the gun i have but i will be using mg03'sor browning 30 cals because of the high rate of fire i use the vickers because its reliable and a good range

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| October 24, 2010, 2:57 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
you forget using the same gun would be bad but ive upgraded it it has a higher rpm lighter 10 kg (same as an mg03) oil cooled so it dosent freeze still 303 caliber and still very reliable

That sounds rather logistically hefty granted you have carry the weapon itself, the oil, the ammunition, and of course the crew's gear. In the long-haul, you're just holding yourself back from rapid mobilization.
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| October 24, 2010, 2:58 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm here for the lulz.


Lulz 'n WWIIIz



speaking of which, WWIV iz fun.
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| October 24, 2010, 2:59 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
That sounds rather logistically hefty granted you have carry the weapon itself, the oil, the ammunition, and of course the crew's gear. In the long-haul, you're just holding yourself back from rapid mobilization.
planning preparing and the transport i have all of it but time is price im willing to pay for a reliable weapon
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| October 24, 2010, 3:12 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Well, seeing as Poland is a very small nation, with limited manpower and resources, forming his military on a defensive purpose, and careful application of the older design could work I guess. It would still be far outclassed by newer guns, but I guess it would be cheaper. You pay for quality though.

Either way, even on a defensive footing, since the gun itself would need more resources put into each individual unit then compared to an ordinary machine gun of similar strength, logistics would be an issue. Mobilization would be tougher, due to the resources needed, and you would get less firepower put into play for the same amount of soldier. compared to say, the invading power using more modern guns.
you said it but the vickers would be for defensive purposes a browning 30 cal however would be great for assault until the heavy support comes in

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| October 24, 2010, 3:15 pm
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India is announcing the development of the AK76 mkII. It will be a very formidable variant of the older AK74 standard infantry weapon. It comes with an upgrade kit so you can go from Rambo grenadier to stealthy sniper and back in a half hour with add-ons (if anyone has read WWZ, basically the SIR).

Also, an indigenous design for a river patrol/shore assault long boat is under development for service and export. An expanded version of the F-1c drop tank will increase the aircraft's range. This model will also be attached to the F-3 Aardvark.

The secret project research is still ongoing. I don't know when it will stop, if ever. It will just be getting better and better.
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| October 24, 2010, 3:20 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
You still need to mobilize. Good for defensive purposes, yeah I can buy that. However, it will still be worse in every job compared to a more modern gun.
but i said a browning 30 cal would be a better choice for an assault 150 round drum mag and hand guard around the barrel closest to the main body would be a beast

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| October 24, 2010, 3:21 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
India is announcing the development of the AK76 mkII. It will be a very formidable variant of the older AK74 standard infantry weapon. It comes with an upgrade kit so you can go from Rambo grenadier to stealthy sniper and back in a half hour with add-ons (if anyone has read WWZ, basically the SIR).

Also, an indigenous design for a river patrol/shore assault long boat is under development for service and export.

The secret project research is still ongoing. I don't know when it will stop, if ever. It will just be getting better and better.
but why isnt it called ak36 since thats the year where in?

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| October 24, 2010, 3:22 pm
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Ok, the CR to me again by 8pm MDT (9CT).

Publicly, Cliffe is reminded that I will no longer recognize third-party reports. And to everyone: reports are sent to me personally or they will not be processed. Also, if you post publicly, send them to me as well. It's too much trouble to go looking through 30+ comments to find yours.
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| October 24, 2010, 3:25 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Ultramarine .
India is announcing the development of the AK76 mkII. It will be a very formidable variant of the older AK74 standard infantry weapon. It comes with an upgrade kit so you can go from Rambo grenadier to stealthy sniper and back in a half hour with add-ons (if anyone has read WWZ, basically the SIR).

Also, an indigenous design for a river patrol/shore assault long boat is under development for service and export.

The secret project research is still ongoing. I don't know when it will stop, if ever. It will just be getting better and better.
but why isnt it called ak36 since thats the year where in?

Because the latest (by 2010) Ak is the Ak74. I'm not going to go backwards.
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| October 24, 2010, 3:26 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
The AK-101 through -107 models where all produced in the 90's.

Well, at least the Spetznaz uses Ak74s, right?
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| October 24, 2010, 3:28 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
You. Play. Too. Much. CoD.
i do not i dont even have the game.

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| October 24, 2010, 5:24 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Just sounded like it. Good thing you don't, 'cause me thinks that that game gives false assumptions about the U.S. military.
What would your opinion be on a browning m1919 with 150 round drum mag be


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| October 24, 2010, 5:31 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Brendan Dore
Just sounded like it. Good thing you don't, 'cause me thinks that that game gives false assumptions about the U.S. military.
What would your opinion be on a browning m1919 with 150 round drum mag be


Stop using old guns. They won't be effective, and you're not giving anyone a good opinion of you.
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| October 24, 2010, 5:41 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Stop using old guns. They won't be effective, and you're not giving anyone a good opinion of you.

Why I don't like these ultra complex machine guns you guy crank out rpm means nothing out on the field and what do mean won't be as effective vickers gun and the browing guns will rip through stuff and one more thing saying things like I'm not giving a good opinion of myself just because I use something older
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| October 24, 2010, 5:56 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Why I don't like these ultra complex machine guns you guy crank out rpm means nothing out on the field and what do mean won't be as effective vickers gun and the browing guns will rip through stuff and one more thing saying things like I'm not giving a good opinion of myself just because I use something older


Often times weapons are phased out because superior designs in terms of RoF, accuracy, calibre, and ease of maintenance. Said Vickers and M1919 havnt been in service because they are big and heavy, and the exact same role is now done by LGMs like the M240B or PKM, weapons that are lighter, smaller, and easeier to maintain. While the M1919 and Vickers were good guns, now they would be extremely hard to maintain, and poor maintenance and worn out barrels lead to poor accuracy and overall performance.
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| October 24, 2010, 6:07 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
rpm means nothing out on the field


/facepalm
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| October 24, 2010, 6:12 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Why I don't like these ultra complex machine guns you guy crank out rpm means nothing out on the field and what do mean won't be as effective vickers gun and the browing guns will rip through stuff and one more thing saying things like I'm not giving a good opinion of myself just because I use something older

You give a bad impression of yourself for many reasons.

1. Your use of older stuff, and apparent lack of militarily knowledge that leads you to use such stuff, makes you look like you don;t know what you're doing running a military.

2. Your decisions to "invade northern France" and the like make it look like you don't even bother to check the power of the country you are threatening, again, not lending anything to our perception of your intelligence.

3. You don't even make an effort to use proper grammar. You just come off as an ignorant little kid who can't be bothered to try to communicate effectively, and no one our age likes to be around someone like that.

All in all, most of what you do and write makes for a pretty poor perception of you in the minds of me and others here.
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| October 24, 2010, 6:40 pm
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Quoting Thomas N


Hear, hear!
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| October 24, 2010, 6:54 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
but i said a browning 30 cal would be a better choice for an assault 150 round drum mag and hand guard around the barrel closest to the main body would be a beast

LMGs don't do well as assault weapons. Drum mags? Urgh... big, heavy, expensive, mechanically complex and prone to jamming. There's a reason the Soviets switched to box mags on the PPSH about halfway through the war, you know.

Also you can't increase the ROF of a Vickers. Unless I've completely misunderstood half the thing's I've read, the rate of fire on Maxim type guns is based on the barrel recoiling, so the only way to speed up the process is to lighten the barrel and everything connected to it. You'd be better off with a completely new design.




...How long do you guys think until he declares the Mauser M.712 is his new standard issue sidearm?

I mean, I'm all for these grand old weapons, I love 'em, but there's a reason they're not in service anymore. Mostly because they're too complex for cheap mass production on the scales needed today.
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| October 24, 2010, 7:03 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
He says he's "younger" than us, so he can be bad at grammar and spelling.

Regardless of age, if one is going to mingle on the Interwebz he or she should at least attempt to put a period here or there. It's basic grammar that should be applied to help further communicative efforts.
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| October 24, 2010, 7:33 pm
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Ok, I don't have much time here, so lets go.

First, I'm setting something straight. The Finnish are not destroying the Swedish Government, they are putting back what was there for Sweden before they became part of Germany. So Swedish military support for either side is still at 50/50.

Meanwhile, advance has finally been slowed on the northern front against the Finns and Brits. While the Finnish thrust down the Eastern Swedish coast has reached as far Skeeleftea, but their advance has been slowed by a show of force from the Germans there.

In the north, the forces in the north of Norway are easily pushing what Germans have been cut off back north toward towards the Fjords.

In the air, German Black Eagles have met Air forces flying out of both Finland, the Commonwealth, and carrier-based air wings in the Baltic. Bombings are being run by both sides, although the Brits are bombing and hurling Cruise missiles at airfields and other strategically important targets in Scandinavia, and this has had a much greater effect than the German's bombing campaigns.

The Finnish continue to concentrate troops and supplies and equipment in Stockholm, which has become the most concentrated area of occupation yet. The already-battered Germans attempting to attack the city were once again dealt a blow by an areal drop of anti-tank mines and many other mines right in front of their advance. The divisions outside of Stockholm are now crippled, and only a replenishment from the already thin divisions holding the northern front could bring them back up to fighting strength.

The Finnish have also dropped paratroopers into discrete positions (discrete as in unknown to the Germans) outside of rland, and are set up in positions to laser designate targets in Norway's last main air base prize- rland Main Air Station. MCAPs from the Commonwealth are hitting these targets: Parked aircraft, SAMs, and communications stations. Air superiority by F-35Ps is being carried out to help these MCAPs.

At sea, the German surface fleet is now all but dead. Th U-boats are being hunted, and a 24-hour watch is put out for them. The ASW forces are constantly on te alert for any and all U-boat attacks, and recently an attempted attack was foiled when stealthier cigar-shaped U-boats tried to fire missiles at the British fleet. The missiles were spotted coming out of the water, they were shot down, the position of the U-boats was given up, and the ASW forces sank many while only a few got away.

The British ICBM and Cruise missile bases have really been active as of late, in addition to pounding strategic targets in German-held Scandinavia, they are also letting loose a rain of missiles on Koeningsburg (Kaliningrad)

In East Prussia, the Germans have reinforced their positions with many fresh Panzers, and have established a good artillery base in the city. They are now driving the Russians back through the suburbs that have changed hands at least five times now. The German layout now consists of: Deep artillery lines raining shells at the Russians. Numerous Panzers pushing through the streets and suburbs, and heavily fortifications in every building. The Germans at the capital of East Prussia will never surrender, they will have to be exterminated if the Russians are to have the city again and put the name Kaliningrad back on the map.
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| October 24, 2010, 9:46 pm
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Most excellent.
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| October 24, 2010, 10:03 pm
Alright, fine.

Kick me out of Scandinavia for no good reason... I never instate any puppet governments in any territories of mine, I only support my territories. Let's see how Sweden and Norway do without my support.

The nordic peoples will remain ununited.

However, Anders will choose if he wishes to stay with me or not.

Now, Dawn, you are truly doomed.

Matt, Evan, if you pull anything on me from now on the both of you will face the full fury of my Lehr-class U-boats, with cigar-shaped hulls.
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| October 24, 2010, 10:31 pm
Tom, I TOLD YOU THOSE WERE UNDERWATER MISSILES. THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO COME OUT OF THE WATER.

I no longer consider you an entirely effective combat mod, and not for just this reason mind you.

Not ENTIRELY effective, I said. You're still probably as good as we'll ever get...
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| October 24, 2010, 10:35 pm
Well, no mercy it is, no mercy at all.
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| October 24, 2010, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Kick me out of Scandinavia for no good reason... I never instate any puppet governments in any territories of mine, I only support my territories. Let's see how Sweden and Norway do without my support.

The nordic peoples will remain ununited.

However, Anders will choose if he wishes to stay with me or not.


Sooo. Are you surrendering your Scandinavian territories? Oh, and I have a series of defense pacts ready for Sweden and Norway, so even alone, they should be fine...
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| October 24, 2010, 10:38 pm
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Well, with a non-aggression pact signed with Bohemia, I can lessen my border defenses in the Balkans. I'm now surrounded by people that won't attack me out of honor or because I'm just that legit. Some 200,000 men will be pulled of border duty (of course, fortifications will remain intact and ready in case of anything), to go to Syria or Israel, or other places.
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| October 24, 2010, 10:42 pm
Did somebody say.... war? Wait, no good military force right now. Never mind..... =P
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| October 24, 2010, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Lehr-class U-boats

Speaking of which, where are these U-boats? I can't find them among any of your creations, nor do they currently operate within Germany.
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| October 24, 2010, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Lehr-class U-boats

Speaking of which, where are these U-boats? I can't find them among any of your creations, nor do they currently operate within Germany.

Here you go.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34643041@N07/4682869463/
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| October 24, 2010, 10:59 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The only type of underwater missile I've ever heard of is the kind that goes from the surface, then underwater, to combat submarines...

It's easy to adapt a torpedo tube to fire missiles that can stay underwater.
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| October 24, 2010, 11:07 pm
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Since I received no word from Egypt, I'll once again roll the dice. Hopefully, I've learned from the last two reports...

Oh, Africa!

Algeria:
The PCU struck hard with scores of bombers from bases in Sicily today. As Algerian patrols and readiness was up, interceptors were vectored in as soon as radar contact was confirmed. Fighters grappled with each other viciously while a flight of B-52s made for Algiers. Their payload and purpose were single-minded: level the AA sites in the vicinity. The Algerian fighters disengaged when the target was identified, and gave hot pursuit. More intercept was scrambled. One B-52 fell to enfilading attacks. Over the target, flares launched by surviving GAF-1s marked the sites for the bombardiers. Since Algeria had nearly doubled AA sites along the coast, these latter aircraft suffered dreadfully from line-of-sight AAA and heavy AA. It is a hot night for the squadron headquarters. On the way out, the Algerians were surprised to find a smaller follow-up wave bound for the same targets. Again, similar tactics were engaged, and more smaller aircraft fell. Another two B-52s were claimed, half the flight this time. However, 7 primary AA sites have been completely neutralized.

Losses:
3 PCU B-52s
12 PCU GAF-1s
4 Algerian Hyperfalcons

Sudan:
The PCU continues the ferocious assault on Gelember and Nzili with combined air/ground attacks, spearheaded by a further 1,000 men. Fire support and close support by aircraft came again today. Things became very bad, very quickly for the PCU when they detected massive inbound forces from the west. A full squadron of F-1s and a flight of F-2s jumped the Pacific air support, downing 3 MAF-1s. The others patrolled the skies after the PCU aircraft beat a retreat to the east. A large number of 'Flying Wing' bombers slammed into the Pacific lines, disrupting troop movements and causing medium casualties amongst the armored elements. Advanced elements of a 15,000 man army clashed with the forward lines of the PCU, pushing them back to the outskirts of the embattled towns. The PCU still controls most of the towns themselves now, but they are about to be cutoff. The PCU timetable has been set back by this, and an 'expeditionary force' doctrine might not be a proper one.

Losses:
3 PCU MAF-1s
1 'Flying Wing' bomber

Benghazi:
The city has been considerably fortified by Nigerians today. Heavy air patrols continue. Lots of AA placed in the surrounding areas. Benghazi is becoming a rather rapidly expanding military base.
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| October 24, 2010, 11:28 pm
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I'm a moderator! WHOO!
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| October 24, 2010, 11:33 pm
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Well, I was offered the coastal areas of Libya to create a buffer state in between Cliffe and Algeria, but I've learned hardly anyone is there.

5,000 troops fly/sail tonight, for Tripoli! If someone's there, I request permission to land.
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| October 24, 2010, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Well, I was offered the coastal areas of Libya to create a buffer state in between Cliffe and Algeria, but I've learned hardly anyone is there.

5,000 troops fly/sail tonight, for Tripoli! If someone's there, I request permission to land.

That would be Algeria that you'd need to ask, I'm pretty sure.
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| October 24, 2010, 11:40 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
That would be Algeria that you'd need to ask, I'm pretty sure.


I talked to him this morning, he says he doesn't have any land in Libya. I'm moving in while I still can.
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| October 24, 2010, 11:48 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I talked to him this morning, he says he doesn't have any land in Libya. I'm moving in while I still can.

I just checked flickr, looks like it's a go!
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| October 24, 2010, 11:52 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Quoting Thomas N
3. You don't even make an effort to use proper grammar. You just come off as an ignorant little kid who can't be bothered to try to communicate effectively, and no one our age likes to be around someone like that.

He says he's "younger" than us, so he can be bad at grammar and spelling.
Thank you.

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| October 25, 2010, 5:48 am
Quoting Thomas N
You give a bad impression of yourself for many reasons.



2. Your decisions to "invade northern France" and the like make it look like you don't even bother to check the power of the country you are threatening, again, not lending anything to our perception of your intelligence.

I all ready told you i pulled out and said sorry look at the comments above you.

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| October 25, 2010, 5:51 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
/facepalm

I wasn't complimenting you.
Ah forget it all of you who cares at the end of the day this is just petty argument

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| October 25, 2010, 7:01 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
super-cavitating torpedoes.

I understood the last word and the prefix, but I'm pretty sure I missed the important part.

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| October 25, 2010, 10:07 am
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Not if you have super-cavitating torpedoes.


With all the discussion of "underwater missiles", with a little research, it would appear that he is not wrong, and is correct. Supercavitation is one method of making superfast torpedoes, and yes there is a rocket-motored powered torpedo, the Russian VA-111 Shkval. In fact, this weapon IS, in effect, an underwater missile. However, I wouldn't go about using these all the time due to their costs, as well as (im assuming) danger of explosion on board. Also, compared to conventional torpedoes, like NATOs current Mk 48, the Shkval has a smaller warhead specifically due to the complexity and size of the cavitation device and rocket motor.

I wont discredit Cliffe here, but it would make more sense if he called them "supercavitating torpedoes" rather than "underwater missiles". This makes the situation needlessly confusing, and it clearly did fool Tom, who mustve thought that he meant, say, a Tomahawk or Trident missile launched from a sub (both can be launched underwater).
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| October 25, 2010, 11:09 am
New guns and i mean brand spankin new guns

skorpian 36 LMG 200 round belt in a box 303 rifle cal

Baryon Wald 36 pistol 10 round mag and 50 rounds snail drum blowback 3 round burst model 45 apc.

Baryon Wald mk1 bullpup assault rifle 5.56x45 mm 70 round drum mag 20 round banana magazine 10 round straight magazine

m16 style handle or normal tactical rail.



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| October 25, 2010, 11:32 am
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Thomas N
You give a bad impression of yourself for many reasons.



2. Your decisions to "invade northern France" and the like make it look like you don't even bother to check the power of the country you are threatening, again, not lending anything to our perception of your intelligence.

I all ready told you i pulled out and said sorry look at the comments above you.

It doesn't matter that you pulled out, or that you apologized, the fact that you posted it in the first place shows a gross lack of good judgment. The principle of lacking good judgment is what shows you to be immature and probably not ready for this game.
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| October 25, 2010, 3:53 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Brendan Dore
Quoting Thomas N
3. You don't even make an effort to use proper grammar. You just come off as an ignorant little kid who can't be bothered to try to communicate effectively, and no one our age likes to be around someone like that.

He says he's "younger" than us, so he can be bad at grammar and spelling.
Thank you.

That was sarcasm. He meant that being younger isn't an excuse. If you're too young to use proper grammar, then you're more than likely too young for this game.
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| October 25, 2010, 3:54 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
You mean a torpedo? >.> It's chemically impossible to preform a standard combustion reaction underwater.

That's what I was thinking, it is possible to launch missiles from underwater, but you need a compressed air launch to get them out of the water for the combustion reaction that makes it a missile to actually ignite. So really, it's scientifically impossible to have a fully underwater missile.
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| October 25, 2010, 3:57 pm
Quoting Thomas N
It doesn't matter that you pulled out, or that you apologized, the fact that you posted it in the first place shows a gross lack of good judgment. The principle of lacking good judgment is what shows you to be immature and probably not ready for this game.
im sure il get better at this game

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| October 25, 2010, 4:02 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Brendan Dore
/facepalm

I wasn't complimenting you.
Ah forget it all of you who cares at the end of the day this is just petty argument

I think you mean: "Ah, all of you just forget it. Who cares? At the end of the day, this is just a petty argument."

Can't you just try and use proper grammar?
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| October 25, 2010, 4:05 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Thomas N
It doesn't matter that you pulled out, or that you apologized, the fact that you posted it in the first place shows a gross lack of good judgment. The principle of lacking good judgment is what shows you to be immature and probably not ready for this game.
im sure il get better at this game

"I'm sure I'll get better at this game."

Capitalize your "I"s and use apostrophes.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:07 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I think you mean: "Ah, all of you just forget it. Who cares? At the end of the day, this is just a petty argument."

Can't you just try and use proper grammar?
"Yes alright my grammar's appalling . I get it."

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| October 25, 2010, 4:08 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

This makes the situation needlessly confusing, and it clearly did fool Tom, who mustve thought that he meant, say, a Tomahawk or Trident missile launched from a sub (both can be launched underwater).

That is exactly what happened. Thank you.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:08 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Thomas N
I think you mean: "Ah, all of you just forget it. Who cares? At the end of the day, this is just a petty argument."

Can't you just try and use proper grammar?
"Yes alright my grammar's appalling . I get it."

You don't need an apostrophe for pluralization.

Why am I even doing this? It only clogs the conversation...

What grade are you in anyway? Because if you're in Elementary School or something low like that then this issue becomes more understandable.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:10 pm
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Quoting Phazezorz .
Uhhh, they teach this type of Grammar in all grades from 1st-onwards.

Oh, what am I doing in this group, you ask?

I have no clue. All I know is, I own Antartica and my milita is the Bear Calvary.

<.<

It was really only my last hope. If he's really just ignorant and in Middle school then there really is no hope for him.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:12 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You don't need an apostrophe for pluralization.

Why am I even doing this? It only clogs the conversation...

What grade are you in anyway? Because if you're in Elementary School or something low like that then this issue becomes more understandable.
year 9 british secondary school.

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| October 25, 2010, 4:17 pm
Quoting Thomas N
If he's really just ignorant and in Middle school then there really is no hope for him.

/clears throat

I am in middles school.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:26 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
You don't need an apostrophe for pluralization.

If I'm not mistaken, "grammar's" was actually a contraction of "grammar" and "is". More so a colloquialism, but whatever.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:31 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Presuming the british school system is akin to ours here in America, he's in the same grade as me.

Can you see the similarites in speech or what?

:P
Yes weird im only starting to get tought about punctuation.

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| October 25, 2010, 4:34 pm
I'm in 7th Grade and I have no spelling or grammar problems. Of course, it could be because of my Ipod's auto-correct. :P
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| October 25, 2010, 4:35 pm
Quoting Brikkr
I'm in 7th Grade and I have no spelling or grammar problems. Of course, it could be because of my Ipod's auto-correct. :P
very much so im going to use one in a minute

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| October 25, 2010, 4:37 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .

<.<

/Drills and finds over 9000 oilz.


/runs off to BP
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| October 25, 2010, 4:38 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
/oil-spill
= Coffe spill (i fear i may have spelt that wrong >.<)

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| October 25, 2010, 4:40 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive

Two e's

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| October 25, 2010, 4:45 pm
Quoting Brikkr
I'm in 7th Grade

Me too! :D
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| October 25, 2010, 4:46 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
You've been in school for nine or ten years, and you're only learning how to put the English language together now?
Most probably we did do a bit in year 7 but that was it until this year

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| October 25, 2010, 4:48 pm
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Quoting Phazezorz .
Well, it could just be the internet.

Everyone I know (save for Awe and Nick) that logs onto the internet talks like that, when, In real life, they write with some pretty legit skillz, bro.

An Honorable Mention! Awww.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:51 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
...In New York you need to be able to write in good English by the age of seven or eight for tests.
jeez i love to be able to piece punctuation together. (not being sarcastic there)

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| October 25, 2010, 4:52 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Quoting Thomas N
If he's really just ignorant and in Middle school then there really is no hope for him.

/clears throat

I am in middles school.

You are in Middle School, but not ignorant of Grammar. So you only fill one of those traits.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:52 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Thomas N
You don't need an apostrophe for pluralization.

Why am I even doing this? It only clogs the conversation...

What grade are you in anyway? Because if you're in Elementary School or something low like that then this issue becomes more understandable.
year 9 british secondary school.

So, if we are assuming British Education is equivalent to American, then that makes you a Freshman, and you really should know better.

Actually, you're hardly younger than most of us, so there goes that excuse.

And some, like Jake, are younger than you and still manage to use decent grammar, how shocking.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:55 pm
Quoting Thomas N
So, if we are assuming British Education is equivalent to American, then that makes you a Freshman, and you really should know better.

Actually, you're hardly younger than most of us, so there goes that excuse.

And some, like Jake, are younger than you and still manage to use decent grammar, how shocking.
uhh please look at the comments above

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| October 25, 2010, 4:56 pm
Quoting Thomas N

And some, like Jake, are younger than you and still manage to use decent grammar, how shocking.

In all fairness, I had what he's probably having right now in 3rd grade.

Man I love classical education.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:57 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Evan Melick
...In New York you need to be able to write in good English by the age of seven or eight for tests.
jeez i love to be able to piece punctuation together. (not being sarcastic there)

You don't actually seem to be able to.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:57 pm
This forum has become how to teach glenn streeter punctuation.


There's really no point of this forum in particular.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:58 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Brendan Dore
/oil-spill
= Coffe spill (i fear i may have spelt that wrong >.<)

yes, you spelled "coffee" wrong, as well as "spelled". There also appears to be an errant "=", but that was probably a slip of the hand.
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| October 25, 2010, 4:59 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
This forum has become how to teach glenn streeter punctuation.


There's really no point of this forum in particular.

Then leave.

You also should know you need to capitalize your own name.
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| October 25, 2010, 5:00 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
So you're telling me, the British education system doesn't mandate an actual knowledge of your own language until you are eleven or twelve?

That's actually common, I'm just going through the basics right now. Of course I already had them at my old school.
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| October 25, 2010, 5:00 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
So you're telling me, the British education system doesn't mandate an actual knowledge of your own language until you are eleven or twelve?
Depends what primary school you went to i went to a really bad one.

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| October 25, 2010, 5:00 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
This forum has become how to teach glenn streeter punctuation.


There's really no point of this forum in particular.

Well if your not going to use proper grammar, you're going to take some heat. Especially in this group.
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| October 25, 2010, 5:01 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Well if your not going to use proper grammar, you're going to take some heat. Especially in this group.
Yes that point i get if peopel wil just lay off me

if i say something apropriat /inteligent they will just point out the my grammar and no one has taken me serouisly this is just an exsample of what has happend here and in my life
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| October 25, 2010, 5:10 pm
A quote from my Fourth Grade teacher: "If you ain't know grammar then y'all sound like Hoosiers." Yes, I meant for it to be spelled like that.
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| October 25, 2010, 5:10 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Hmm. Ok then, sorry for the harassing. Might take notice though, interacting with people on the internet was one of the best ways in my experience to learn to use this language fairly well.
Thank you very much Evan.

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| October 25, 2010, 5:11 pm
Quoting Brikkr
A quote from my Fourth Grade teacher: "If you ain't know grammar then y'all sound like Hoosiers." Yes, I meant for it to be spelled like that.

Georgia?
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| October 25, 2010, 5:20 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Well if your not going to use proper grammar, you're going to take some heat. Especially in this group.

That's right, here, in this group, we take pride in being able to come off as more mature than most others on this site. So if you want respect here, you have to earn it.
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| October 25, 2010, 5:21 pm
Quoting Thomas N
That's right, here, in this group, we take pride in being able to come off as more mature than most others on this site. So if you want respect here, you have to earn it.
I am mature i just don't know how to use grammar when need be .

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| October 25, 2010, 5:24 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Georgia?

Nope, an over-emphasizing teacher.
I'm from the Gateway to the West.
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| October 25, 2010, 5:39 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Fulfilling the grammar/ spelling Nazis in all of us.

No comma for you!
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| October 25, 2010, 5:55 pm
At least by the end of it he figured out to capitalize at the beginning of sentences...
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| October 25, 2010, 6:10 pm
Is it time for a new forum?.

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| October 25, 2010, 6:33 pm
Okay guys please just leave Glenn alone. He seems like a nice guy, and not everyone uses perfect grammer while on the internet. I don't think I've ever spelled "you" correctly while on aim, and the reason is I'm just trying to convey my point, and most of the time people understand exactly what I mean. While this has a bit more "official" ness to it, not everyone has the time to write out what they are thinking (especially when waging flame warfare). I'd say just do what you honestly can, and as long as I understand you I wont mind.
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| October 25, 2010, 7:29 pm
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