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International Conversation Forum XXXVI
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This is the third forum I've ever created. And I was the first to join the group after Cliffe!

Things:
-Stuff is going down in Europe and Africa
-I'm up to no good in Israel and Africa
-Nick is still doing things in Canada last I heard
-Mongolia is doing nothing wicked for once
-Glenn Streeter must be taught grammar and spelling

RUN! GO! GET TO DA CONFLICTS!
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| October 25, 2010, 7:02 pm

New guns and i mean brand spankin new guns

skorpian 36 LMG 200 round belt in a box 303 rifle cal
Baryon Wald 36 pistol 10 round mag and 50 rounds snail drum blowback 3 round burst model 45 apc.

Baryon Wald mk1 bullpup assault rifle 5.56x45 mm 70 round drum mag 20 round banana magazine 10 round straight magazine

m16 style handle or normal tactical rail. And newer version of the wimmersburg spz

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| October 25, 2010, 7:08 pm
Okay guys please just leave Glenn alone. He seems like a nice guy, and not everyone uses perfect grammer while on the internet. I don't think I've ever spelled "you" correctly while on aim, and the reason is I'm just trying to convey my point, and most of the time people understand exactly what I mean. While this has a bit more "official" ness to it, not everyone has the time to write out what they are thinking (especially when waging flame warfare). I'd say just do what you honestly can, and as long as I understand you I wont mind.
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| October 25, 2010, 7:30 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Okay guys please just leave Glenn alone.


LEAVE GLENN ALONE!
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| October 25, 2010, 7:33 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Okay guys please just leave Glenn alone. He seems like a nice guy, and not everyone uses perfect grammer while on the internet. I don't think I've ever spelled "you" correctly while on aim, and the reason is I'm just trying to convey my point, and most of the time people understand exactly what I mean. While this has a bit more "official" ness to it, not everyone has the time to write out what they are thinking (especially when waging flame warfare). I'd say just do what you honestly can, and as long as I understand you I wont mind.
Thanks avalella =) .
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| October 25, 2010, 7:34 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

LEAVE GLENN ALONE!

Oh noz it's. Awe o croker >•< .
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| October 25, 2010, 7:36 pm
It seems as if Cliffe has really super-ragequit. Does that mean that the war in Africa is over? That is, if Nick doesn't wants to continue this conflict.
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| October 25, 2010, 7:37 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
It seems as if Cliffe has really super-ragequit. Does that mean that the war in Africa is over? That is, if Nick doesn't wants to continue this conflict.


Oh no, it's far from over. Cliffe is only still in it because Nick is with him, I think. And Nick isn't giving up anytime soon.
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| October 25, 2010, 7:39 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oh no, it's far from over. Cliffe is only still in it because Nick is with him, I think. And Nick isn't giving up anytime soon.

Anyone who wishes to cause harm to Cliffe* shall go through me.

*In Africa. He's scr3wed in Scandinavia!
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| October 25, 2010, 7:45 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Well, I thought he quit 21st, seeing his comments from yesterday.
May I also remind you that all your base are belong to us.
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| October 25, 2010, 7:59 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Anyone who wishes to cause harm to Cliffe* shall go through me.


I don't wish to cause Cliffe harm!
>:l
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| October 25, 2010, 8:18 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I don't wish to cause Cliffe harm!
>:l

Seconded. He started this because he didn't think we could defend ourselves adequately. I'm just fighting to keep our borders solid.
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| October 25, 2010, 8:25 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .

Kind of late...

But I think I found a good fare-well Muse song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFBUS3a27c&feature=related
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| October 25, 2010, 8:27 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I don't wish to cause Cliffe harm!
>:l


Too bad he isn't listening to reason, eh?
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| October 25, 2010, 8:28 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Seconded. He started this because he didn't think we could defend ourselves adequately. I'm just fighting to keep our borders solid.

I couldn't even reach any of his territories, because Egypt and Sudan are off-limits for me.
Of course I supported the war, but I couldn't invade him full force like Awe.
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| October 25, 2010, 8:28 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Too bad he isn't listening to reason, eh?

Gimme a day or two and I'll be back with some strategic bombers.
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| October 25, 2010, 8:30 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Nor are the Israelis.


I don't expect them to. Israel is like Texas- fight to the last man. And that's just what I'll make them do.

Since I'm in charge of my own war now, I'm going to estimate that it goes at the same pace. Very little ground gained each day, but ground gained nonetheless. However many bullets they have probably won't last them until Christmas. Probably...
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| October 25, 2010, 8:30 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Tom, when do you want orders by?

Wait on that, I have something I need to sort out with Cliffe before I can even begin to moderate Scandinavia today.
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| October 25, 2010, 8:51 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
the VSQ version of Starlight is too cheery.

Now that I've listened to some of the other versions... yeah you're right.

I would say this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZQQLyasvV8
but it doesn't have the right feel.

How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUuqItW0b6U&feature=related

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| October 25, 2010, 8:51 pm
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Keep your darn Muse out of this kids!
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| October 25, 2010, 8:52 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Keep your darn Muse out of this kids!

We're just trying to get a good exit song ready.
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| October 25, 2010, 8:54 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Ok, bro, NO VSQ.

It doesn't work.

Orly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjufc7GMrCs

With Muse songs I guess you're right, but I love their Dragonforce covers.
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| October 25, 2010, 9:00 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Go with something like The Small Print or even Exogenesis Symphony Part 3 (actually, Part 3 is moreover a peace treaty song).

So, yeah, go with Uprising.

I was just posting that last one because I like it.

Here's one for when Nick finally rage quits epically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nx--JKLZ4&feature=related

And here's one for next time I declare war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoV5F_FwbBM&feature=related

For when Cliffe invades Algiers and I drive him out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTD2lKew4iI&feature=related

If Cliffe ever defeats me and I decide to calmly rage quite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx4XNxHkMuc&feature=more_related


I just found out about Muse and VSQ about a week ago, so please excuse my ignorance.
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| October 25, 2010, 9:20 pm
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@Jake: You honestly believe I'd ragequit?
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| October 25, 2010, 9:29 pm
My 02 cents.
Peace treaty/victory song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHEXTQUj2Fc&feature=youtub
Go band!

@Nick: You? Ragequit? Unlikely.
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| October 25, 2010, 9:40 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2UhRhrONKU&feature=related

2:41-3:06 is how I came to power. Yea, I'm that legit.
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| October 25, 2010, 9:49 pm
I now request to end hostilities with the Commonwealth of Great Britain and Finland. Sweden will regain full autonomy whether they like it or not, and Anders will do as he pleases- he is welcome to stay with the Reich if he chooses so.

I request that my forces be allowed to cross the sea back to Germany unharmed, under escort from my U-boats.

With permission from Anders, I will continue licensed reproduction of military vehicles of his design. In fact, I wish to buy the rights for them.

That will be all until the CR comes.
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| October 25, 2010, 9:56 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-EPXSp-i0c
First 1:48 is how I roll

That and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ewd8OeYEA&feature=related
Any one member of the 18th knows that song by heart by now.


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| October 25, 2010, 10:00 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
@Jake: You honestly believe I'd ragequit?

No, but if you ever do, I'll be ready :D
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| October 25, 2010, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Any one member of the 18th knows that song by heart by now.



Indeed. And if you're such a Warhammer 40K fan, like myself, Ian, and Gus, you certainly chose the wrong 23rd Century faction to join. But I've said that before.

Anyways, people, this is the 21st century thread, no the music thread. Back on topic.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:08 pm
So how's that CR goin along?
/waits for CR
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| October 25, 2010, 10:10 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
So how's that CR goin along?
/waits for CR

It's only 21 minutes after the deadline. Chill.

*sigh*

I guess I'm starting on it now...

Evan, please forgive me for all the times I rode you as CM.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:21 pm
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Condition two is madness. It's been in German control for 170 years by then!
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| October 25, 2010, 10:22 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
No, it has not. Half was ceded back to Denmark after Versailles, the rest after WWII. Look at the classic German Imperial borders compared to modern day.

Oh, and no big Ultra.


I did do my research, thank you. That other half was never returned to Denmark, it became the German state Schleswig-Holstein in 1949, after British occupation.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:27 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
We are also ready for peace. However, in order for a cessation of hostilities tonight to be agreed to, we will outline our demands here:

1) The Kingdoms of Sweden and Norway will be reinstated as fully independent nations, under the protection of the Republic of Finland. The current government of Norway will voluntarily step down, and be relocated.
2) The German Empire will cede the Duchy of Schleswig back to the Dominion of Denmark.
3) The German Empire will cede the region of Alsace-Lorraine back to the French Republic.

We look forward to your response. Matt has agreed to these terms. If an agreement is not reached by 11.30 eastern time, the war will continue until tomorrow, when we can all be online again.

This...

...is frankly quite ridiculous.

For one thing, I thought I already made it clear once before that I don't need Alsace and Lorraine and ceded it to France. The Kaiser nor I don't care much about Schleswig either, in fact we don't really have anything there that I know of, go ahead and take it if it's not already yours. I suppose.

But for God's sake, leave Anders to make his own decisions. Who do you think you are to force him to give up control of his own country? He is NOT a German "puppet," if that's what you're thinking. He's a real Norwegian. He deserves to rule his own frakking country.

If you persist in depriving him of his position, I will just have to fight to the death for his rights. HIS RIGHTS.

I stand up for my friends. Voraciously.

A Scout is Loyal, Evan.



...and Anders IS active ENOUGH.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:28 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I did do my research, thank you. That other half was never returned to Denmark, it became the German state Schleswig-Holstein in 1949, after British occupation.


Evan updated his comment. So yeah.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:29 pm
I'm almost thinking about pulling a Matt Hacker and going off fighting Britain for Denmark's independence. If Sweden deserves to be independent, they do as well, don't they?
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| October 25, 2010, 10:32 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm almost thinking about pulling a Matt Hacker and going off fighting Britain for Denmark's independence. If Sweden deserves to be independent, they do as well, don't they?


Of course not, that'd be hypocritical.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:33 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
It's only 21 minutes after the deadline. Chill.

*sigh*

I guess I'm starting on it now...

Evan, please forgive me for all the times I rode you as CM.

It's ten thirty four.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:33 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
It's ten thirty four.


How about 7:34 by Pacific coast reckoning.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:33 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

-Mongolia is doing nothing wicked for once

In time, my friend, in time.

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| October 25, 2010, 10:34 pm
Prusso-Egypt also wishes to form a permanent defense pact with Sweden and Norway. We shall never allow anyone unwelcome to trod on Swedish or Norse soil. To very many Germans, Sweden and/or Norway is their true home...
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| October 25, 2010, 10:36 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
But for God's sake, leave Anders to make his own decisions. Who do you think you are to force him to give up control of his own country? He is NOT a German "puppet," if that's what you're thinking. He's a real Norwegian. He deserves to rule his own frakking country.

If you persist in depriving him of his position, I will just have to fight to the death for his rights. HIS RIGHTS.

I stand up for my friends. Voraciously.

A Scout is Loyal, Evan.



...and Anders IS active ENOUGH.


Anders. He is a good fellow. Perhaps Anders could stay, but he would have to sign either a Non agression pact with the UFE, or at least make treaties preventing you from using him for an attack. We will leave Anders alone under these conditions. Ultimately, it is up to him, but since he is clearly your good friend I advise you to set him along that path. We do not desire any more bloodshed, and our point has already been made.

Oh, and we could always have been mean, continued annihilating your forces, and removing Anders by force. Consider this a sign of our goodwill that we did not flat out reject your offer and continued on.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:37 pm
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I'll back Cliffe in saying Anders deserves to rule his own nation, being a Norwegian himself.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:38 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Prusso-Egypt also wishes to form a permanent defense pact with Sweden and Norway. We shall never allow anyone unwelcome to trod on Swedish or Norse soil. To very many Germans, Sweden and/or Norway is their true home...


Sorry bud, when I restored the old government, I kinda made sure that they would have a defense pact with me. You wouldnt think that I would liberate a country, just to see it fall to you again!
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| October 25, 2010, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For one thing, I thought I already made it clear once before that I don't need Alsace and Lorraine and ceded it to France. The Kaiser nor I don't care much about Schleswig either, in fact we don't really have anything there that I know of, go ahead and take it if it's not already yours. I suppose.

I don't recall this . . . But I've been in limbo for some time, thus I'm unaccountable. Merci in any case.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
It's ten thirty four.

Where I am it's 8:43. I keep forgetting about that time differential.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:42 pm
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And so the great Cliffe-Everyone Else war ends, not with a bang, but a whimper. AGAIN.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
And so the great Cliffe-Everyone Else war ends, not with a bang, but a whimper. AGAIN.


Its ok. As long as Cliffe learns a thing or two about (good) politics, its all good.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
And so the great Cliffe-Everyone Else war ends, not with a bang, but a whimper. AGAIN.


Actually, Africa is still going strong.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Where I am it's 8:43. I keep forgetting about that time differential.

Ah, will the combat report be done by 11:00
I HAVE to be asleep by then.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:47 pm
You're in the same time zone I am, Ultra.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Actually, Africa is still going strong.

Yes, but events in Africa can't possibly affect me personally, and equally, I personally can't affect them. Therefore the interesting bits are all done with.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:50 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Anders. He is a good fellow. Perhaps Anders could stay, but he would have to sign either a Non agression pact with the UFE, or at least make treaties preventing you from using him for an attack. We will leave Anders alone under these conditions. Ultimately, it is up to him, but since he is clearly your good friend I advise you to set him along that path. We do not desire any more bloodshed, and our point has already been made.

Oh, and we could always have been mean, continued annihilating your forces, and removing Anders by force. Consider this a sign of our goodwill that we did not flat out reject your offer and continued on.

Fair.

Fair enough.

Thank you. I hope Anders will be happy with this- he and I will continue to be allied and I will continue to produce and use his vehicles, at the least. They have since become an integral part of the German war machine.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:51 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
For the map, will he remain a part of the Reich, or an allied state?

It is his decision ultimately. I don't know, of course I would love if he were part of the Reich, or part of Prusso-Egypt as a whole, and it would be fine if he were just an ally.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:54 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Sounds good.

At this time all Finnish and BAMF units are ordered to cease fire upon Prusso Egyptian units. There are possibly some rogue Swedes out there, so we will be careful. Our force from the air bases in Norway will be flown back to Finland, or to points in Sweden.

As for the forces in Sweden. They will remain, for now. Basically, they are a deterrant against anyone trying to invade this now-independent country. I am in the process of Signing significant defence pacts with the the Swedish Goverment, as well as aid to rebuild what little damage occurred. We will also be building and providing military hardware to replace what they lost in this conflict. For the moment, that is all.

Across Finland, there is much rejoicing that war is over. The government is currently not able to tell whether it is that the war is over, or whether defeating Prusso-Egypt in Scandinavia was their cause. No matter, we currently have a happy population.

Evaluations on the performance of our units as well as vehicles will be started.

Finally, the 5 Hydras which were rushed to completion have all been launched today, and will embark on a less crammed sea trials period than was previously imagined. As for the rest of the Finnish Navy, we are once again ordered to stay out of the way of IRA and Prusso Egytian engagements. No need starting another conflict so soon.
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| October 25, 2010, 10:59 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
For now, I'm going to upload a map, and I will label him as an independent nation. If he decides against it, it's easy enough to change.


That was a new map fast. Evan, what are you using as the background map anyway? I've been perplexed on how you can make such accurate borders along rivers and administrative divisions of countries...

Meanwhile: No one has opposed me landing in Tripoli, so I'm gonna guess that it's now in my hands. I'll be investigating what other cities are unclaimed in the area.

Israel, I'm going to guess, has lost access to the Gaza strip and surrounding areas, plus the borders along Lebanon, Syria, and the West Bank.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Skill my dear Watson.

Skill. :P

I know you're fairly interested in maps, so when I get some time, I'll show you the ones I base it off of. I have three. Modern day boundries, modern day sub-divisions, and rivers.


Orly? That'd be much appreciated.

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| October 25, 2010, 11:05 pm
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Mexicans are chilling. It's a saturday, no wonder.(And yes, I looked it up)

Tomorrow, a Sunday, the first recruits from the Mexican populous will be received at the Guyana Korps training site(In Guyana). These facilities are brand new, and were created in a short amount of time during the SRGL era. In Mexico, work has begun to bring former PCU bases and ex-old Mexica bases back in business to train basic infantry. Should be ready in several weeks.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:10 pm
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Sorry for the delay, I forgot about the difference in times. Things are heating up a lot in Africa.

At Sea:
Algerian military alert boards were lit up like a Christmas tree when both northeastern and western submarine pickets made and confirmed confirmed contact with carrier groups in the Mediterranean (Egypt) and PCU in the Atlantic, making for the Mediterranean. Both groups are sizable, and Algerians are scrambling to extrapolate possible landing zones. Pickets coordinated strikes on both the fleets, releasing dozens of long-range Indian X-bombs on the Egyptian fleet first. They made several critical hits on three missile cruisers, a Saqqarah carrier (causing light damage), and one frigate was struck amidships and sent to the bottom; though many X-bombs were shot down by experimental lasers. These Egyptian weapons had a rather long cool-down time and could consequently only fire twice a minute. One Algerian submarine engaged and sunk an Egyptian submarine, before being sunk in turn by Egyptian ASW.

The PCU fleet was greeted by a similar response, though only four ships were hit, thanks to Phalanx guns working overtime. The 'Muddy Water' Frigates all then began a hasty retreat back to ports, followed by the majority of the submarines. The attack damaged three destroyers, sinking one, and a cruiser.

Losses:
1 Egyptian frigate
1 PCU destroyer
1 Algerian submarine

On land:
In Algeria, AA has been bolstered by mobile sites, awaiting a PCU attack that never came today.

A new tactic deployed by the PCU seems to be working, and while the Nigerians have the numbers advantage, are suffering in terms of hardware quality. The Nigerians continued the assaults into the PCU lines, but found themselves up against very good armored crews in Roman tanks. An air offensive by the Nigerians was launched, but came up against heavy AA fire and withdrew from the area in favor of wider patrols. This allowed the PCU to bring up its MAF-1s again to maul the more exposed ground troops. Discouraging news, though, another large unit of 2,000+ Nigerians with full support is making its way into the area. They will be on the battlefield tomorrow.

Losses:
2 Algerian fighters
1 Algerian flying wing

In Benghazi, preparations and patrols continue today.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:16 pm
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No combat report tonight guys. Sorry, I just got too busy, and then it got too late. Looks like the situation in Scandinavia I was perplexed about has cleared up though.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:16 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
You're in the same time zone I am, Ultra.

This we've noted, multiple times. Still cool, though.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The Nigerians continued the assaults into the PCU lines, but found themselves up against very good armored crews in Roman tanks.


My tanks are the equivalent of the Hyperfalcon- everyone seems to have a few.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Yes, but events in Africa can't possibly affect me personally, and equally, I personally can't affect them. Therefore the interesting bits are all done with.

Well Cliffe vs. Dawn + Finn is still going strong, I just didn't have time for the CR tonight.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

My tanks are the equivalent of the Hyperfalcon- everyone seems to have a few.

Bah! Migs and a few of those Indian ones. I might design my own for kicks though.

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| October 25, 2010, 11:45 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Bah! Migs and a few of those Indian ones. I might design my own for kicks though.

"Indian Ones?!?!" Sir! Speak with respect when you refer to one of the best single-engine fighters of this time!

I'm not Cliffe or anything, but I'm pretty proud of those things...

I personally refuse to soil the reputation of my air force by operating those degenerate wretches of aircraft.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
"Indian Ones?!?!" Sir! Speak with respect when you refer to one of the best single-engine fighters of this time!


I meant it in the politest way possible. I just can't remember for the life of me what they're called.

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| October 25, 2010, 11:52 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
I meant it in the politest way possible. I just can't remember for the life of me what they're called.

The F-1 Victorious, and your explanation is accepted... =)
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| October 25, 2010, 11:53 pm
Thanks. Now I just need to get off my [chair] and build some lego that isn't an airship or a floating rock.
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| October 25, 2010, 11:56 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Thanks. Now I just need to get off my [chair] and build some lego that isn't an airship or a floating rock.

But those look oh-so-flashy! No, they really do.
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| October 26, 2010, 12:03 am
Well, now I've got something to think about.
My decision will be made later today, after reading through the convo four more times...
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| October 26, 2010, 1:45 am
I need a helicoper. Il be back in a few hours.
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| October 26, 2010, 5:49 am
Dose weagle still own canada ?.
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| October 26, 2010, 5:50 am
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Dose weagle still own canada ?.

He does.
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| October 26, 2010, 6:14 am
Quoting John Dawn
He does.
I thought he was AWOL though?.

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| October 26, 2010, 6:16 am
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting John Dawn
He does.
I thought he was AWOL though?.
He pops in here and there and still has one of the most powerful air-forces.

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| October 26, 2010, 6:45 am
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The first pocket carrier is about 60% complete in its dry docks. It's exact location is classified. Should launch by mid November.

The F-2 "Raytage" is going to be the Indian navy's first carrier-borne stealth fighter. With its enormous wing surface area, it is ideal for carrier take-offs. Five will serve aboard each new carrier, 10 aboard each nuclear carrier once produced. The F-3 "Aardvark" will be the chief aircraft on the newer ones for multi-role fighting.

Here is the standard manifest of the new carrier class fighters:
5 NF-2
10 NF-3
5 NF-1
5 NA-2 (ASW capable)
Helicopters:
3 UH-1D Hueys (ASW capable)
2 P-7
manifest can be customized at will.

India is deploying prototypical examples of new toys from the plans shamelessly pilfered from Israel. We shall see how they stack up.
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| October 26, 2010, 11:56 am
Alright, now that I've spent a few hours thinking and painting a Space Marine, my mind is made up.

I am very much for peace, and want to spend some time building up my country's economy and defences. If peace means signing a non-aggression pact with the UFE, so be it.

Cliffe, I say danke for the nice introduction to the group, but I still feel like I should stay out of Prusso-Egypt for now. No hard feelings, right? And about you producing more of my vehicles: Sure, go ahead.

If there are something I've misunderstood about the situation, please tell me.
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| October 26, 2010, 1:40 pm
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Quoting Anders Cutterhill


Excellent. I'm glad that we did not have to resort to futher violence.
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| October 26, 2010, 2:28 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Excellent. I'm glad that we did not have to resort to futher violence.
Matt would you like an alliance if you do except here are the terms and conditions


Number one .We must share each other's tech 40% both ways for 10% off the existing prices.

Number two : During conflicts our country's must help out one another until not needed or your country needs to recuperate

number three:
We must share battle plans to see witch one will be more effective.

And number four:
have fun.
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| October 26, 2010, 2:46 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Matt Hacker

Excellent. I'm glad that we did not have to resort to futher violence.
Matt would you like an alliance if you do except here are the terms and conditions

And number four:
have fun.


I will agree to that (number 4 specifically).

Just to be clear, I'm all for being friends and having fun, but I do not desire to have any alliance with you.
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| October 26, 2010, 2:51 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I will agree to that (number 4 specifically).

Just to be clear, I'm all for being friends and having fun, but I do not desire to have any alliance with you.
Ok i don't mind =).

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| October 26, 2010, 2:59 pm
Quoting Anders Cutterhill
Alright, now that I've spent a few hours thinking and painting a Space Marine, my mind is made up.

I am very much for peace, and want to spend some time building up my country's economy and defences. If peace means signing a non-aggression pact with the UFE, so be it.

Cliffe, I say danke for the nice introduction to the group, but I still feel like I should stay out of Prusso-Egypt for now. No hard feelings, right? And about you producing more of my vehicles: Sure, go ahead.

If there are something I've misunderstood about the situation, please tell me.

For now, eh?

Don't be afraid to stick around with us if that's what you really want. If not, then no, no hard feelings, as long as we get you back some day. We won't be exactly the same without you... but not too bad because you're still there :P

So, do you know any Swedes who might be interested in 21st Century World, perchance?
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| October 26, 2010, 5:34 pm
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After selling two Chinese frigates to Algeria (speaking of which, they have been delivered, and the crews who delivered them have helicoptered back to the Indian Ivory Coast, where they will await pick-up by an Oceanian armed transport, so consider those two Frigates under the command of Algeria). I have also sold two Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates and two Knox Class Frigates to the U.A.C.

I am still selling 3 OHP Class Frigates, 8 Knox Class Frigates, 4 ex. Adelaide Class Frigates, and 2 more Chinese frigates to anyone can use older frigates for their navies. They are very cheap (as far as ships go) at $150,000 each.

5 Australia Class Battleships are also waiting to be sold as well. These are much newer, and much better combat vessels, and run at $2.8 Billion each.


In other news, now that we have received the 10 F-117s from the PCU, we will begin converting them with state-of-the-art stealth and avionics technologies, to supplement and in some cases replace the old 70s-era tech. We will also be fitting them with four 20 mm cannons, each in a pocket in the nose which can be closed allowing the aircraft to retain its stealth profile, yet gives each plane devastating close-range firepower for ground attack when open. (Incidentally, this type of closing cannon system used is referred to in Oceania as the "eyelid" system. When not firing, the "eyelid" covers the opening of the cannon, making the indentation of the cannon opening invisible on scanners.)

These planes will be used in a ground attack role, with these cannons supplementing their laser-guided-bomb/missile bays.

They will be dubbed the OC-F-177U (OC for Oceania, U for universal)

All in all, 26 aircraft will be built, in addition to the already acquired 10, to form 3 "sneaky squadrons" of 12 aircraft each.

The PCU is being offered rights to the F-117U conversion kit, in thanks for rights to production of the F-117.

In case no one realized, the F-117 is probably my favorite aircraft ever.
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| October 26, 2010, 5:41 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
So, do you know any Swedes who might be interested in 21st Century World, perchance?


No one touches Sweden, and I really enjoy looking at your efforts to get Sweden back by a proxy player.
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| October 26, 2010, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

No one touches Sweden, and I really enjoy looking at your efforts to get Sweden back by a proxy player.

I would assume a new member could start as Sweden, as long as they don't join Prusso-Egypt?
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| October 26, 2010, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I would assume a new member could start as Sweden, as long as they don't join Prusso-Egypt?


Obviously, I am not an Admin here so I cant make that call. However, I am not too keen on seeing the place which I just went to war with be immidately taken by another player.
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| October 26, 2010, 5:46 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
, and basically took territory right out from France's nose (no offense to you Jake H).

Sorry about that, I had no idea at the time.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:03 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
In other news, now that we have received the 10 F-117s from the PCU, we will begin converting them with state-of-the-art stealth and avionics technologies, to supplement and in some cases replace the old 70s-era tech. We will also be fitting them with four 20 mm cannons, each in a pocket in the nose which can be closed allowing the aircraft to retain its stealth profile, yet gives each plane devastating close-range firepower for ground attack when open. (Incidentally, this type of closing cannon system used is referred to in Oceania as the "eyelid" system. When not firing, the "eyelid" covers the opening of the cannon, making the indentation of the cannon opening invisible on scanners.)

These planes will be used in a ground attack role, with these cannons supplementing their laser-guided-bomb/missile bays.

They will be dubbed the OC-F-177U (OC for Oceania, U for universal)

All in all, 26 aircraft will be built, in addition to the already acquired 10, to form 3 "sneaky squadrons" of 12 aircraft each.

The PCU is being offered rights to the F-117U conversion kit, in thanks for rights to production of the F-117.

In case no one realized, the F-117 is probably my favorite aircraft ever.

The UAC would like to obtain the blueprints for the F-117. Garcia Aircraft Industries has been hired to design a ECM aircraft, and the F-117 is a nice aircraft to work with. (As mentioned, they're pretty cool planes, and everyone wants them in their airforce...)
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| October 26, 2010, 7:04 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I believe after Algeria joined, and basically took territory right out from France's nose (no offense to you Jake H), we agreed as a group that new members could not join as areas under heavy influence by another power.


Except that little incident with Texas. Which was after Algeria, am I right?
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| October 26, 2010, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
The UAC would like to obtain the blueprints for the F-117. Garcia Aircraft Industries has been hired to design a ECM aircraft, and the F-117 is a nice aircraft to work with. (As mentioned, they're pretty cool planes, and everyone wants them in their airforce...)

You'll have to ask Nick for those. I only have the rights from him and the upgrade kits.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:06 pm
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Time for my update. One of the 5 new Hydras (not yet named) has displayed several electrical faults during its day of sea trials, most likely due to the great haste of construction. It will be fixed promptly.

All units have pulled out of Norway at this time.

The Bunker complex on the Finnish-Swedish border is being downgraded to a training area, as there is now no threat from Sweden.

I still have 20,000 troops in Sweden, assisting Loyalist Swedish units in hunting down and arresting (or exterminating) Prusso-Egytian allied rebels. If we arrest them, they will be given the option to either cooperate or go to jail, or potentially be deported to Prusso-Egypt.

Today the Swedish government accepted Finnish foreign aid, and signed a fairly standard defense pact. It is set to expire when the Swedish military is back up to full fighting capibility. They will then be able to choose to continue the pact or terminate it. In the meantime, The 5 Hydras that were a part of the Allied fleet during the war are still in the area, at medium alert.


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| October 26, 2010, 7:07 pm
 Group admin 

Why?

Not that I don't appreciate the work on my behalf, but what is it for?
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| October 26, 2010, 7:07 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Except that little incident with Texas. Which was after Algeria, am I right?

I think Evan meant that the UFE established that.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:10 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Why?

Not that I don't appreciate the work on my behalf, but what is it for?

Helmet decal or shoulder patch. To make your soilders more diffrent to the rest
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| October 26, 2010, 7:11 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Helmet decal or shoulder patch. To make your soilders more diffrent to the rest

I might try it, but I really don't use decals for my figs.

And if I did try it, I'd use the actual colors of UNO (Teal and Navy Blue: http://www.flickr.com/photos/44219944@N03/5119187752/)

Thanks for the effort though.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:15 pm
No problem I can fix it tomorrow Tom. I did the gree because of your map color .
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| October 26, 2010, 7:19 pm
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@Tom: If you would've told me you were going to offer me the rights for the F-117U I would not have charged you for the rights of the F-117!

@Jack Ford: No. I know were allies now but seeing as how both times we've gone to war you've started it and that both times your air force has been a deciding factor, I'll have to decline.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:21 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Nick Shelton
@Jack Ford: No. I know were allies now but seeing as how both times we've gone to war you've started it and that both times your air force has been a deciding factor, I'll have to decline.

Alright, that's reasonable. I'm sure I can make a more efficient aircraft to use, it just probably won't look as cool.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:25 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nick Shelton
@Tom: If you would've told me you were going to offer me the rights for the F-117U I would not have charged you for the rights of the F-117!


Reminds me of the times I sold Cliffe the rights to the King Leopard, and then he sold the rights to Ham.


Quoting A steam locomotive


This is a conversation forum for the group, not a place where you post things. Cease and desist.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:27 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I would assume a new member could start as Sweden, as long as they don't join Prusso-Egypt?

Unless he wants to join Prusso-Egypt.

By chance.

There are trainloads of benefits.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:28 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


There are trainloads of benefits.


Like getting invaded a lot, just because P-E seems to be the Poland of the world. No one is content to leave it alone, and it's always getting invaded and partitioned. Hmm...
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| October 26, 2010, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Unless he wants to join Prusso-Egypt.

By chance.

There are trainloads of benefits.


I smell a conspiracy, and thats why I am resisting this notion. For now.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:29 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Like getting invaded a lot, just because P-E seems to be the Poland of the world. No one is content to leave it alone, and it's always getting invaded and partitioned. Hmm...
O-0 Pardon I'm now baffled

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| October 26, 2010, 7:41 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting A steam locomotive
O-0 Pardon I'm now baffled


The Baffler strikes again.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:42 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The Baffler strikes again.

And that homepage title of yours is baffling it makes me think of plastic I think perplexi means to perplex someone . But I dunno.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:50 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting A steam locomotive
And that homepage title of yours is baffling it makes me think of plastic I think perplexi means to perplex someone . But I dunno.


It's Latin, that'll give you a hint.

@Brendan: No.

@Evan: Indeed.

@Awe: Get back on the subject of this group.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:52 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Unless he wants to join Prusso-Egypt.

By chance.

There are trainloads of benefits.

That is Matt's call. He certainly won't want the area back under your control if he just beat you out of there.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:53 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
8=D

Baffle that.
Is it someone with curlers in there hair?.

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| October 26, 2010, 7:53 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
8=D

;0
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| October 26, 2010, 7:53 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Brendan Dore
8=D

Baffle that.
Is it someone with curlers in there hair?.

Should we tell him, or let him keep guessing?
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| October 26, 2010, 7:54 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nick Shelton
@Tom: If you would've told me you were going to offer me the rights for the F-117U I would not have charged you for the rights of the F-117!

Regardless, its only the upgrade kit. Consider it my personal thank-you.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:55 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Should we tell him, or let him keep guessing?

If that's what I think it Is that's totally not right for this forum >D >d
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| October 26, 2010, 7:58 pm
EDIT: He figured it out.


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| October 26, 2010, 7:58 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
If that's what I think it Is that's totally not right for this forum >D >d

Who are you to decide what's right and what's wrong?
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| October 26, 2010, 7:59 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting A steam locomotive
If that's what I think it Is that's totally not right for this forum >D >d


You'd be correct, Mr. Streeter.
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| October 26, 2010, 7:59 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Jake H.
EDIT: He figured it out.


yes, so that's enough.

Please keep to the topic of international relations. And never mind what Brendan posts, if need be.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:00 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
If that's what I think it Is that's totally not right for this forum >D >d

Well it's kind of Brendans 'thing' the rest of us only follow along when we're feeling...happy.

Man there's so much innuendo there.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:00 pm
 Group admin 
/facepalm

That's enough children.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:01 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
No, this is more realistic.

8===D~O:

It's a spade that's dug a hole.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:02 pm
Quoting Thomas N
yes, so that's enough.

Please keep to the topic of international relations. And never mind what Brendan posts, if need be.

Never again, will I step into Brendan's world. Fear not.



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| October 26, 2010, 8:02 pm
And in Mongolia the Dictator has become restless. This unnatural period of peace is worrisome, yet it is necessary to bring our nation up to speed in today's uncertain times.
With 8 batches of 12 UAVs now complete, the 96 ground-attack aircraft have been moved to positions in the Gobi. Designs for an air-superiority fighter AND a long-range bomber aircraft are being drawn up.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:03 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Designs for an air-superiority fighter AND a long-range bomber aircraft are being drawn up.


That makes us both busy killer hornets. Because bees are too benign.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:04 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
/facepalm

That's enough children.

Listen to Awe.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:04 pm
Oh! If anyone's national airlines still have a 747 or an old-by-2036 airbus A380, the Mongolian forces would be interested in buying one or two.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:05 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

That makes us both busy killer hornets. Because bees are too benign.

I agree.

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| October 26, 2010, 8:06 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
AND a long-range bomber aircraft are being drawn up.

Check my photo stream.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:06 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Oh! If anyone's national airlines still have a 747 or an old-by-2036 airbus A380, the Mongolian forces would be interested in buying one or two.

I can give you a couple former Qantas 747s. I'm keeping my A380s though.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:06 pm
@ Tom
Thanks, I'd appreciate it. How much you want for two?
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| October 26, 2010, 8:07 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Check my photo stream.

I mostly just wanna build one.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:08 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
@ Tom
Thanks, I'd appreciate it. How much you want for two?

at $300 Mil when they were bought (90s version, not 70s), I'll let em both go for $15 Mil each.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:10 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
I mostly just wanna build one.

Microscale, small amount of effort ,short build, time not many peices.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:11 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Microscale, small amount of effort ,short build, time not many peices.

People prefer to see effort put into creations.

And I think John prefers to put effort into his creations.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:12 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
I mostly just wanna build one.

Fair enough. I would appreciate you advice though.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:12 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting John Moffatt
Oh! If anyone's national airlines still have a 747 or an old-by-2036 airbus A380, the Mongolian forces would be interested in buying one or two.

Can the PCU SuperStore be off assistance?
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| October 26, 2010, 8:21 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nick Shelton
Can the PCU SuperStore be off assistance?

I already got him his planes.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:22 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
I mostly just wanna build one.

Strangely I still have 59 of these as training planes http://www.polandinexile.com/images/planes.gif not sure if there helpful

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| October 26, 2010, 8:22 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Strangely I still have 59 of these as training planes http://www.polandinexile.com/images/planes.gif not sure if there helpful

No, that's not helpful at all.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:23 pm
Quoting Thomas N
That is Matt's call. He certainly won't want the area back under your control if he just beat you out of there.

Any particular reason why I'M so nefarious to him? If a Swede ruling Sweden wants to join Prusso-Egypt, it would just have to be the will of the people, and if he wants to put down the will of the people, then... that isn't going to work out for him so well.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:31 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
@Jake: Mai wurld ares specialz.

"Special! s-p-e-c-h-u-capitol L!"


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| October 26, 2010, 8:33 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
@Jake: Mai wurld ares specialz.

Brendan I need to do some buissnes with you and I'm not talking to that part of your mind. il meet you in the trading topic.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:38 pm
30 Million to Tom for two planes. Unless, of course, Nick has a better price?
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| October 26, 2010, 8:43 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
30 Million to Tom for two planes. Unless, of course, Nick has a better price?

I do 5 thousand for 59 of my training planes
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| October 26, 2010, 8:47 pm
Quoting Thomas N
People prefer to see effort put into creations.

And I think John prefers to put effort into his creations.

Indeed I do! Thanks for noticing.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:47 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
I do 5 thousand for 59 of my training planes

I'll take them.

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| October 26, 2010, 8:48 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Sure thing brah.

I need high qaulity planes. Do you have any links?.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:49 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I'll take them.
There not your cup of tea trust me.

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| October 26, 2010, 8:51 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Any particular reason why I'M so nefarious to him? If a Swede ruling Sweden wants to join Prusso-Egypt, it would just have to be the will of the people, and if he wants to put down the will of the people, then... that isn't going to work out for him so well.

Not the will of the people, the will of whatever dictatorial person might choose to join and take Sweden.

The will of the people will be to remain fully independent.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:51 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Jake H.
I'll take them.
There not your cup of tea trust me.

Just you wait...
>_>
<_<
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| October 26, 2010, 8:52 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Just you wait...
>_>
<_<
my five thousand then.

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| October 26, 2010, 8:56 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Not the will of the people, the will of whatever dictatorial person might choose to join and take Sweden.

The will of the people will be to remain fully independent.

I see it kind of like how way back when, the Republic of Texas asked to be annexed by the United States. They had a common background- American citizenship.

Here, the common background is Nordic ancestry and pride. I suppose you believe the Swedes don't really care about that.
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| October 26, 2010, 8:57 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Jake H.
Just you wait...
>_>
<_<
my five thousand then.

deal
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| October 26, 2010, 9:01 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Jake H.
Just you wait...
>_>
<_<

Are you planning on submitting a CR?
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| October 26, 2010, 9:06 pm
Quoting Jake H.
deal

You have now bought some Sr 12 microjet put that on your stats.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Are you planning on submitting a CR?
CR?

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| October 26, 2010, 9:11 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting Ultramarine .
Are you planning on submitting a CR?
CR?

Combat Report

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| October 26, 2010, 9:13 pm
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Since my plans are apparently highly controversial, I will give you a rough outline for what I plan with Sweden.
-Phase 1: Repair after war. The usual stuff, rebuild highways, compensate families, replenishing military. This will be done under the current Defense Pact, so while I fix up the mess that just occuured, no one will be able to join.
-Phase 2: Begin long term relationships with Swedish government. Trade agreements, military pacts; the works. However, Sweden will always remain autonomous (I.E. I will not say retarded things like "Sweden decides to declare war on Anders just 'cuz")
Phase 3: Play it by ear. Honestly, depending on what kind of a job I do, and if I achieve popular support I will move to phase 4
Phase 4: Possible, BUT NOT DEFINITE invitation to become part of the Baltic Alliance of Mutual Friendship. If you recall from Estonia and Latvia, I havn't absorbed them, and they are still fully independent, depending on reaction I may invite Sweden. Still, depending on outcry *ahem Cliffe* I may or may not do this.

And yes, the main reason for this plan is not because this was my initial intention, rather, I feel forced to take such a hands-on approach after Cliffe has insinuated that he will find someone to be Sweden, whom he will most likely have strong ties with. So yeah, I'm not stupid and I dont intend to put the last week of war to waste just because Cliffe is loathing the loss of one of his most "beloved peoples".
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| October 26, 2010, 9:20 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Any particular reason why I'M so nefarious to him? If a Swede ruling Sweden wants to join Prusso-Egypt, it would just have to be the will of the people, and if he wants to put down the will of the people, then... that isn't going to work out for him so well.

In this game, I'm pretty sure the "will of the people" will go to whoever just conquered them. If you both wanted "the people" to decide who to be ruled by, I'd say let that be up to the combat mod.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:28 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
In this game, I'm pretty sure the "will of the people" will go to whoever just conquered them. If you both wanted "the people" to decide who to be ruled by, I'd say let that be up to the combat mod.

The combat mod?

Oh wait, that's still me!

Ahem, Sweden will remain autonomous and unclaimed by any member until that time when negotiations have gone on long enough, and it may join the BAMF.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:32 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The combat mod?

Oh wait, that's still me!

Ahem, Sweden will remain autonomous and unclaimed by any member until that time when negotiations have gone on long enough, and it may join the BAMF.

Excuse me sir, I am a BAMF.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:33 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Excuse me sir, I am a BAMF.

Baltic Alliance of Mutual Friendship?

You're nowhere near the Baltic. BAMF is Mattt's alliance thing, and Finland, Estonia, Latvia (and now Sweden), are part of his discretion. You're a separate nation.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:35 pm
Quoting -> avalella
BAMF.

Bad A-- Mother -----?
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| October 26, 2010, 9:36 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Baltic Alliance of Mutual Friendship?

You're nowhere near the Baltic. BAMF is Mattt's alliance thing, and Finland, Estonia, Latvia (and now Sweden), are part of his discretion. You're a separate nation.

I think he meant something else >.>
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| October 26, 2010, 9:36 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Jake H.
Bad A-- Mother -----?

That sounds like something Brendan would say...
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| October 26, 2010, 9:37 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Thomas N
That sounds like something Brendan would say...


In case no one noticed, behind the mask of realism, I do like to have fun ;)

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| October 26, 2010, 9:38 pm
Quoting Thomas N
That sounds like something Brendan would say...

I've been acting a lot like Brendan lately.

/looks over shoulder
I'm scared.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:40 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Since my plans are apparently highly controversial, I will give you a rough outline for what I plan with Sweden.
-Phase 1: Repair after war. The usual stuff, rebuild highways, compensate families, replenishing military. This will be done under the current Defense Pact, so while I fix up the mess that just occuured, no one will be able to join.
-Phase 2: Begin long term relationships with Swedish government. Trade agreements, military pacts; the works. However, Sweden will always remain autonomous (I.E. I will not say retarded things like "Sweden decides to declare war on Anders just 'cuz")
Phase 3: Play it by ear. Honestly, depending on what kind of a job I do, and if I achieve popular support I will move to phase 4
Phase 4: Possible, BUT NOT DEFINITE invitation to become part of the Baltic Alliance of Mutual Friendship. If you recall from Estonia and Latvia, I havn't absorbed them, and they are still fully independent, depending on reaction I may invite Sweden. Still, depending on outcry *ahem Cliffe* I may or may not do this.

And yes, the main reason for this plan is not because this was my initial intention, rather, I feel forced to take such a hands-on approach after Cliffe has insinuated that he will find someone to be Sweden, whom he will most likely have strong ties with. So yeah, I'm not stupid and I dont intend to put the last week of war to waste just because Cliffe is loathing the loss of one of his most "beloved peoples".

You have absolutely no idea how much I feel for Sweden.

I do in fact believe that in the current year of 2010 Sweden is the best country in the entire world. Really. They're so much my style, too- constitutional monarchy, ardent liberalism, PRUSSIAN MILITARY TRADITIONS http://www.flickr.com/photos/34643041@N07/4533365082/, epic techno music, and many other things.

And I believe we should simply realize the fact that neither of us are going to give up our goal of gaining Sweden.

I currently bear no hostility towards you, but in the future, it is most certain I will.


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| October 26, 2010, 9:44 pm
I haven't been acting myself lately either. Too..... neutral.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:51 pm
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Koeningsburg/Kaliningrad.

The Germans, now with their Panzer Divisions from Scandinavia plus another 4.5 Divisions from an undisclosed source, have fully reinforced their positions in the city to attacking strength again. They Blitzkreiged into the Russian lines in the suburbs, and confused infantry was driven back, while Russian tans that kept fighting were overwhelmed by the sheer number of Germans that were able to assemble for this push. The Germans recovered much of the suburban areas that they lost previously, and are still driving the weaker Russian forces out and further back towards the east.

More German Panzer divisions came in and smashed into the Russian flack to the south and east of the city, and have been successful in driving the Russians back.

The Germans now have in total over 25 Panzer Divisions in the area, a massive and awesome fighting force indeed.

48 Russian Hyper Fawlcons which had attempted to engage the German air force, were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of Ho-XII fighters and Black Eagle IIs. They have driven the Russians out of the air space over the city and the surrounding area, and the Germans now have full advantage in numbers on the ground and in the air.

The Russian Naval force, happy with the destruction of the German surface fleet, moved in to shell the Oceanside areas of the city. This force fell into the trap. Three wolf packs of German U-boats (2 normal U-boat packs and 1 cylindrical U-Boat pack) fired volley after volley of Germany's advanced torpedoes and missiles at the Russian fleet, unexpectedly. At least two Russian Battleships, 4 Russian Destroyers, and 5 other Russian ships were ost in the sudden onslaught, at the price of 6 normal U-boats, and 1 cylinder U-boat.

Russian artillery, which had been trying to target reinforcing German units, was bombed mercilessly and severely by German Stealth bombers. The German stealth bombers also unleashed a blistering attack on Russian supply lines, again, doing even more damage than the first time. Russian mobile SAMs and anti air units, which had started reinforcing supply lines and existing units, were ineffective against stealth bombers because they couldn't get a lock with any sort of sensor.

Russian Paratroops, which had been in the city, were surprised and driven out by the sheer volume of German reinforcements that had been pouring into the area for days now. The Germans' 25 Panzer divisions are a dominating force.

Now, the entire city, plus the surrounding suburbs, have been re-captured by the Germans, and they are still driving to push the Russians out of their homeland.
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| October 26, 2010, 9:56 pm
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To allay concern, I'm working on the CR now.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:01 pm
@Tom
vat?

Where are my orders?
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| October 26, 2010, 10:03 pm
Who are these Russians?
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| October 26, 2010, 10:06 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
@Tom
vat?

Where are my orders?

You're in Africa.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:09 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You're in Africa.

I sent you a FM, and I had... stuff put in Europe back when Evan was the CM.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I sent you a FM, and I had... stuff put in Europe back when Evan was the CM.

I already called BS on that.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:11 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I already called BS on that.

Why?

Evan was okay with it, and Avella's popular with the Swiss, plus they were set up right outside the Italian border.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:14 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Why?

Evan was okay with it, and Avella's popular with the Swiss, plus they were set up right outside the Italian border.

The Italian border with Switzerland is French.

And you really don't have the means to put them in there, plus the sky north of you id full of your enemy.

It just wouldn't be plausible for you to be able to get those into the area.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:16 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The Italian border with Switzerland is French.

And you really don't have the means to put them in there, plus the sky north of you is full of your enemy.

It just wouldn't be plausible for you to be able to get those into the area.

This was back when I wasn't even being attacked in the sky. Avella and Cliffe were at war, not me. I also got permission.
The whole thing was also done as secretly as possible.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:19 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
And I believe we should simply realize the fact that neither of us are going to give up our goal of gaining Sweden.


Well you are correct, and Sweden is rather awesome. But I'm just going to say that if you want it that badly you are going to have to tear it from my protection, I have no intention of simply giving Sweden up, especially after Tom reaffirmed that as long as I do all what I have outlined, I can make an alliance.

In fact, I think that you should be giving me more credit than you are: I accepted your offer of peace when I could have finshed off your divisions within two days, I have not annexed Sweden even though technically it is my war prize, and I let Anders, your close ally that is a self-professed important part of your war machine, live another day. As a man of self-professed honor, you owe me at least to leave Sweden alone.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:20 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

As a man of chivalry, you owe me at least to leave Sweden alone.

But Cliffe isn't all that chivalrous is he?
In battle yes I guess he is, but when it comes to diplomacy. Well we all know what happened to Nick.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:23 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
But Cliffe isn't all that chivalrous is he?
In battle yes I guess he is, but when it comes to diplomacy. Well we all know what happened to Nick.


Well, we all know that Cliffe is a walking oxymoron.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:27 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Well, we all know that Cliffe is a walking oxymoron.

It cannot be denied, he is what makes this group so fun.

Now only if he stopped trying to invade me.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:34 pm
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It's taking a bit longer than expected. Sorry.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
It's taking a bit longer than expected. Sorry.

It's okay.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:38 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Well you are correct, and Sweden is rather awesome. But I'm just going to say that if you want it that badly you are going to have to tear it from my protection, I have no intention of simply giving Sweden up, especially after Tom reaffirmed that as long as I do all what I have outlined, I can make an alliance.

In fact, I think that you should be giving me more credit than you are: I accepted your offer of peace when I could have finshed off your divisions within two days, I have not annexed Sweden even though technically it is my war prize, and I let Anders, your close ally that is a self-professed important part of your war machine, live another day. As a man of self-professed honor, you owe me at least to leave Sweden alone.

I do give ye credit, good sir. A lot of it. I was very surprised at your kindness. You deserve a medal.

I'm only saying that this probably isn't the end of the ordeal. Some time in the future this issue is certain to come up again. Rather unfortunately.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm only saying that this probably isn't the end of the ordeal. Some time in the future this issue is certain to come up again. Rather unfortunately.


In the meantime I have a country to rebuild and defend.
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| October 26, 2010, 10:47 pm
Cliff... arg...

:P
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| October 26, 2010, 11:08 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q

Can I have a link to your Flickr?
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| October 26, 2010, 11:08 pm
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This one was tough. Some people don't think invading a country is any harder than going to a grocery store. Anyhow, well, after I've had my dinner now, and the grace period has expired (thankfully, all concerned submitted orders) let the games begin!

Algeria:
Both PCU and Egyptian fleets converged upon Algeria today, the Egyptians were more confident this time with the help of their allies. The PCU made for Algiers, while the Egyptians went for Boumerdas in order to split Algerian defenses. Both fleets suddenly found themselves in a bad position when a PCU destroyer suddenly exploded, took on water, and sunk. Similar occurrences took place with the Egyptians. They discovered something they never expected to find, mines. The antiquated weapons were something the fleets never scanned for. Hours were wasted while thorough searches were conducted for remaining mines, allowing last-minute preparations for the Algerians. While the ships were at all stop, they were attacked by the Algerian air force. High-level bombings wreaked havoc on some of the lighter support ships, sinking two Egyptian frigates, and three PCU ships. Finding the port stuffed full of Algerian surface ships, the PCU switched plans to secondary targets, and made the best of their situation. They lost two destroyers to massed fire from Algerian destroyers and submarines. After making their way through the mine field, the PCU ships launched 140 planes to support the already landing marines. Cruisers and destroyers (those left) shelled and launched missiles at defensive positions to support the landing. Four thousand men stormed the beaches in classic style, they were bogged down, and because of the small landing area, things became rather messy. Artillery and continuous air attacks mauled them heavily. Breakthrough was only achieved when PCU aircraft made their appearance to clear out some of those emplacements. Counterattacks by Algerian armor and infantry once again delayed the landings, until PCU UAVs took out some of the armor and set the Algerians back on their heels. The PCU has gained a small foothold and have established some beachheads. Algerian AA, bolstered recently again took its toll on the attackers, proving rather deadly. Another flight of B-52s made another bombing run, this time without casualty, but they were turned back after only hitting a few of their targets when a wave of inbounds was detected from the east. By the time it was discovered that the contacts were Egyptian (they only came within 10 miles), it was too late to turn around. One AC-130 remained on-station throughout the invasion, but was damaged and had to retire, soon after to be followed by another wave of B-52s. Of the second wave, one was lost to AA fire on the way out.

In Boumerdas, Egyptians were worked over on the way in by more Algerian subs. The port was loaded with Algerian surface vessels, as was Algiers, and their massed firepower proved overwhelming. When the Egyptians closed, gunfire was exchanged in old-style broadsides with devastating effects. After only five minutes, vessels began sinking almost like they were made of paper. Hyperfalcons from both sides clashed overhead in vicious aerial battles. Casualties were high on both sides. After losing almost half her support ships, one carrier, and three transports, the Egyptians had to pull out and reassess their situation. Choosing to hazard a less advantageous area, they pressed the landings on a beach just three miles away. The Algerians had them dialed in and made life a living Hades for the Egyptians. Hyperfalcons and Su-51s strafed the advancing troops while staying safely out of range of the naval AA. The surviving destroyers from the harbor kept up a constant barrage on the landings, while Algerian army units had a good field of fire from defensive positions. It appears to be Omaha all over again. Again, small areas compound the problem, and only small beachheads have been established. Bitter and savage fighting continues in both areas.

Sudan:
The PCU kept up a steady defense against the 2,000 Nigerians which continue the assault. More armor bolstered the PCU lines, making them a little more resilient. However, the 2,000 Nigerians sent there yesterday were diverted at the last moment to move northward and help the Algerians. The Nigerians also sent sizable air elements to Algeria for support, they headed for Algiers to help there. After attacking tenaciously, they returned to airfields in the area to stay in theater.
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| October 26, 2010, 11:26 pm
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Longest CR I've ever done...

Of course, that's not saying much.
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| October 26, 2010, 11:26 pm
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Forces continue moving ever so slowly forward in Israel, while some of the Gaza-landed troops attempt to secure a larger area bordering the Sinai. Their air force, while valiantly fighting, is slowly being dismantled by combined Roman and Arab efforts. The Oceanian Navy, along with our mismatched fleet, keeps the coasts secure for further landings and blockade. We're facing a great deal of guerrilla warfare, this will be a long fight, lasting into the new year at least. A new goal has been announced, which will attempt to connect the Sinai to Cliffe-Jordan through the Negev desert.

Back in Tripoli, scouting parties are moving down the coasts, trying to figure out exactly who has what.
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| October 26, 2010, 11:28 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Cliff... arg...

:P

Where do you want me?
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| October 26, 2010, 11:37 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You have absolutely no idea how much I feel for Sweden.

I do in fact believe that in the current year of 2010 Sweden is the best country in the entire world. Really. They're so much my style, too- constitutional monarchy, ardent liberalism, PRUSSIAN MILITARY TRADITIONS http://www.flickr.com/photos/34643041@N07/4533365082/, epic techno music, and many other things.

And I believe we should simply realize the fact that neither of us are going to give up our goal of gaining Sweden.

I currently bear no hostility towards you, but in the future, it is most certain I will.

Then you share my love with sweden as well =).

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| October 27, 2010, 6:39 am
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Interesting... Para-troopers hiding in a city for a day all get pushed out. Without firing a shot, Even though the weapon that they were equipped with can kill what kicked them out..... Oh well.
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| October 27, 2010, 7:18 am
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CR will be a bit late tonight, gentlemen. I've got church until 8pm. I'll get it up as soon as possible after that though.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:43 am
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Quoting John Dawn
Interesting... Para-troopers hiding in a city for a day all get pushed out. Without firing a shot, Even though the weapon that they were equipped with can kill what kicked them out..... Oh well.


And Nick's invasion force was supposed to be headed by a wave of HAT-1s. Mistakes, they happen.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:59 am
CR: Weapons:

New AA guns shall be photographed with SR muzzle and Oceanian muzzle .

bryon wald bullpup assault rifle is to be put on production today with carbine and rifle model's as well.

CR: WAR news:

None for now.

CR: Prototypes.

Tear gas grenade's.

Nebelwerfer 2 . 36.


New helmet's.
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| October 27, 2010, 12:07 pm
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Good news coming from Latvia: for the first time since their acceptance into the Baltic Alliance (of Mutual Friendship) they have made a profit, mostly after the retooling of some of their factories for the production of Finnish-designed vehicles. Good job Latvia.
Their Pianos are selling well, too apparently.

Estonia's government is still reorginizing after being a part of the IRA, but their public works projects (funded in part by Finnish money) are, well, progressing.

As for Finland, the Hydra which failed sea trials yesterday has been put back in port and the repairs of the shoddily- installed wires are continuing. The other four each passed a major milestone today- they successfully engaged target drones at high and low altitudes. Their sea trials will continue at a normal pace. As for Finland itself, the people are rightfully very displeased with the Pharaoh/Kaiser's decision to continue seeking Sweden. Other than that, the Finnish Armed Forces Combat Review Panel has been set up and, like previously mentioned, will be seeking to further improve combat performance.

After the successful use of our old F18s in the ground attack role, a series of upgrade programs will be run to increase its effectiveness there.
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| October 27, 2010, 3:42 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive Trains are shipping soldier's to Königsberg and the swedish front to assist cliffe's men on a ongoing threat of invasion
And since my warning was not heeded, they will die.

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| October 27, 2010, 4:08 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting A steam locomotive Trains are shipping soldier's to Königsberg and the swedish front to assist cliffe's men on a ongoing threat of invasion
And since my warning was not heeded, they will die.
What warning >.> <.<

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| October 27, 2010, 4:24 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting A steam locomotive Trains are shipping soldier's to Königsberg and the swedish front to assist cliffe's men on a ongoing threat of invasion
And since my warning was not heeded, they will die.
What warning >.> <.<

The one in the Combat Report by Tom. If you are going to help someone in a war, at least read the reports Tom spends a lot of time on them.
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| October 27, 2010, 4:26 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Koeningsburg/Kaliningrad.



Now, the entire city, plus the surrounding suburbs, have been re-captured by the Germans, and they are still driving to push the Russians out of their homeland.
Don't forget that there will be a PAK front along with Flak 100 Guns supporting the prussians.

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| October 27, 2010, 4:27 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting A steam locomotive Trains are shipping soldier's to Königsberg and the swedish front to assist cliffe's men on a ongoing threat of invasion
And since my warning was not heeded, they will die.
And now im getting the heck out of sweden.

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| October 27, 2010, 4:28 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting A steam locomotive Trains are shipping soldier's to Königsberg and the swedish front to assist cliffe's men on a ongoing threat of invasion
And since my warning was not heeded, they will die.
And now im getting the heck out of sweden.

Kalingrad, Sweden is no longer a battlefield.

Quoting Combat report As a side note, the Russians have threatened Poland, if they should try to help Prusso-Egypt, with 5 EMPs to be launched at them should they decide to help. This should be considered a warning.




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| October 27, 2010, 4:32 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Kalingrad, Sweden is no longer a battlefield.

Quoting Combat report As a side note, the Russians have threatened Poland, if they should try to help Prusso-Egypt, with 5 EMPs to be launched at them should they decide to help. This should be considered a warning.
Oh what the cr@p now im getting heck out prussia's stuff




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| October 27, 2010, 4:36 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Kalingrad, Sweden is no longer a battlefield.

Quoting Combat report As a side note, the Russians have threatened Poland, if they should try to help Prusso-Egypt, with 5 EMPs to be launched at them should they decide to help. This should be considered a warning.
I have given a reply to this but its been moderated




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| October 27, 2010, 4:38 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Come to the Dark Side, and we together can rule the galaxy!
Be more realistic how about the infinite and beyond.

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| October 27, 2010, 4:40 pm
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Garcia Aircraft Industries has developed a prototype for a new multirole fighter for the UAC Air Force. It is to have a crew of two and capable of exceeding mach 3 in level flight, while being able to travel at speeds as low as 250mph without stalling. It is armed with interior weapon bays and a 30mm gatling gun. Provided nothing goes wrong, this aircraft may enter service in a few months. (It takes me a while to build/post things...)
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| October 27, 2010, 4:51 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Nou.

Zerg is the best Toy Story character ever. Evar!
You only like him because he's an evil overlord =>.

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| October 27, 2010, 5:03 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Nou.

Zerg is the best Toy Story character ever. Evar!
Japan and a polish alliance FTW. Stuff that's cheap(ish) with quality of something very reliable.

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| October 27, 2010, 5:05 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Nou.

Zerg is the best Toy Story character ever. Evar!


It is actually spelled "Zurg". "Zerg" is the race in Starcraft.
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| October 27, 2010, 5:07 pm
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The PCU has contracted several firms in their territories to build a Medium tank for the Army and Marines.

First prototypes expected a long ways from now.
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| October 27, 2010, 5:10 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
... "Zerg" is the race in Starcraft.

I was going to say that.
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| October 27, 2010, 5:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmrq_Nf4FY this music is signifies how this war is heating up.
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| October 27, 2010, 5:39 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmrq_Nf4FY this music is signifies how this war is heating up.

It's winding down ye fool. It's been brewing since late last month.
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| October 27, 2010, 5:46 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
It's winding down ye fool. It's been brewing since late last month.
Nope the way i see thing's ,it's heating up .In my opinion.

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| October 27, 2010, 5:48 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Interesting... Para-troopers hiding in a city for a day all get pushed out. Without firing a shot, Even though the weapon that they were equipped with can kill what kicked them out..... Oh well.

My sense of chivalry is kicking me...

In all honestly I feel you. This is unfair and probably very unrealistic.

I will attest that those paratroopers must be still there. I will have to deal with them in the best way I know.

However, almost nothing that an infantryman can carry can eliminate a King Leopard thanks to the King Leopard's APS turrets. Nevertheless I have the feeling these paratroopers won't go down easy.
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| October 27, 2010, 6:19 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
My sense of chivalry is kicking me...

In all honestly I feel you. This is unfair and probably very unrealistic.

I will attest that those paratroopers must be still there. I will have to deal with them in the best way I know.

However, almost nothing that an infantryman can carry can eliminate a King Leopard thanks to the King Leopard's APS turrets. Nevertheless I have the feeling these paratroopers won't go down easy.


You are correct about APS and infantry, however, I must say that at close range it would not have time to respond/ the explosion would cause alot of damage to infantry. So in a city or another urban environment a powerful enough ATGM can get pact APS.

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| October 27, 2010, 6:27 pm
There were also many things I found quite wrong with Ultramarine's CR...

1. WHERE IS MY BLEEDING AIR SUPPORT. I explicitly told you that naval Hyperfalcons would be on constant patrol, that twenty squadrons of Hyperfalcons were sent to gain air superiority, and that gunships would provide close air support for the landing infantry. You apparently decided to disregard all of that.

2. WHAT ALGERIAN SURFACE FLEET??? Algeria has made NO naval MOCs other than some small submarines. Algeria's former navy is certainly small and very, very outdated. I should have been able to tear them apart.

3. Mines should be very, very easily detected on radar and/or sonar unless they are specifically designed to be stealth mines. They are easily dispatched by frigate or destroyer cannons, often even if underwater.
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| October 27, 2010, 6:29 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
My sense of chivalry is kicking me...

In all honestly I feel you. This is unfair and probably very unrealistic.

I will attest that those paratroopers must be still there. I will have to deal with them in the best way I know.

However, almost nothing that an infantryman can carry can eliminate a King Leopard thanks to the King Leopard's APS turrets. Nevertheless I have the feeling these paratroopers won't go down easy.
Very true but russia's threat will not go down well with me. I can't even help my allies. Toataly unaceptable.

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| October 27, 2010, 6:32 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

You are correct about APS and infantry, however, I must say that at close range it would not have time to respond/ the explosion would cause alot of damage to infantry. So in a city or another urban environment a powerful enough ATGM can get pact APS.

APS react almost instantly, it would have to be at near point-blank range, which is suicide for the attacking infantryman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxPinJp051I
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| October 27, 2010, 6:34 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

2. WHAT ALGERIAN SURFACE FLEET???



This Algerian Surface Fleet

Navy:

Various subs
6
Yat Sen-Class Destroyers
2
Yukimura-Class Aircraft Carrier
2

Corvettes and Cruisers
36
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_National_Navy
Frigates
6
Algerian Light Amphibious Assault Ship
6
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/4869303871/in/photostream/

"Muddy Water" Missile Corvette
16


It reacts NEAR instantly. A direct fire missile like the AT4 or SRAW from very close range (say, firing from a window of a building) at a tank in the street would most likely penetrate the APS, no matter how fast it is.


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| October 27, 2010, 6:34 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

2. WHAT ALGERIAN SURFACE FLEET???



This Algerian Surface Fleet

Navy:

Various subs
6
Yat Sen-Class Destroyers
2
Yukimura-Class Aircraft Carrier
2

Corvettes and Cruisers
36
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_National_Navy
Frigates
6
Algerian Light Amphibious Assault Ship
6
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/4869303871/in/photostream/

"Muddy Water" Missile Corvette
16


It reacts NEAR instantly. A direct fire missile like the AT4 or SRAW from very close range (say, firing from a window of a building) at a tank in the street would most likely penetrate the APS, no matter how fast it is.


Yeah, all those puny ships compared to my 19 cruisers, ten destoyers, five frigates, five nuclear attack submarines and two aircraft carriers, and soon many squadrons of attack ekranoplans. I forgot about those it seems.

Also, look at the video I sent you. It clearly shows how an RPG fired at an IFV in the street is instantly knocked out of the air, plus how it reduces collateral damage by disallowing the projectile to detonate, destroying it with a shockwave of its own instead.
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| October 27, 2010, 6:39 pm
Any how I'm giving Prussia a cristmas present 1,000 Flak 100's and 30,00 wimmersburg 500 bullpup assualt carbine's for free .
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| October 27, 2010, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, all those puny ships compared to my 19 cruisers, ten destoyers, five frigates, five nuclear attack submarines and two aircraft carriers, and soon many squadrons of attack ekranoplans. I forgot about those it seems.

Also, look at the video I sent you. It clearly shows how an RPG fired at an IFV in the street is instantly knocked out of the air, plus how it reduces collateral damage by disallowing the projectile to detonate, destroying it with a shockwave of its own instead.


Good argument. I wont persist further. As for the surface fleet, I didnt respond to your other 2 points because it did seem to be a bit fishy in terms of Combat Modding >.>
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| October 27, 2010, 6:55 pm
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If I only lost one destroyer to a few mines, I'm not too unhappy. What I'd be unhappy about is if they managed to fly bombers all the way across Rocky's land and then all the way over mine into Oregon, without being touched or heard of.

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| October 27, 2010, 6:57 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
It's winding down ye fool. It's been brewing since late last month.

If he wants things to heat up, I don't think Dawn'd mind some white-painted reinforcements overly much.

I might be able to pull an Ardennes, except with Poland instead of Belgium and Germany instead of France.
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| October 27, 2010, 7:14 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
If he wants things to heat up, I don't think Dawn'd mind some white-painted reinforcements overly much.

I might be able to pull an Ardennes, except with Poland instead of Belgium and Germany instead of France.
No what the H3ll I don't want that to happen.

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| October 27, 2010, 7:23 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How many tanks in a division for you?
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| October 27, 2010, 7:39 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How many tanks in a division for you?


Oh yeah, and 25 Panzer Divisions in one are is preposterous, I did research, and at the Wehrmacht's peak strength in terms of numbers, they only had 20.
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| October 27, 2010, 7:43 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Corvettes and Cruisers
36



What Cruisers?

I think you may be mistaken about what a Cruiser is. A Cruiser is a large warship, between the sizes of a destroyer and a battleship.

Algeria has none of those, they do have missile boats, if that is what you mean.
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| October 27, 2010, 7:45 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
What Cruisers?

I think you may be mistaken about what a Cruiser is. A Cruiser is a large warship, between the sizes of a destroyer and a battleship.

Algeria has none of those, they do have missile boats, if that is what you mean.



I quoted EXACTLY what was on his Statistics page. The accuracy of that is to be debated, but I just put in what Jake had in there.
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| October 27, 2010, 7:52 pm
Quoting Thomas N
What Cruisers?

I think you may be mistaken about what a Cruiser is. A Cruiser is a large warship, between the sizes of a destroyer and a battleship.

Algeria has none of those, they do have missile boats, if that is what you mean.

Alexandria class cruisers, which are missile cruisers also armed with four 15in naval rifles. Fifteen of those, then four Amenhotep III class missile cruisers.
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| October 27, 2010, 8:06 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How many tanks in a division for you?

Usually around 324.

According to that number, Germany must have had around 40-45 panzer divisions in WWII.
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| October 27, 2010, 8:07 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Usually around 324.

According to that number, Germany must have had around 40-45 panzer divisions in WWII.

So you have 8,100 tanks in Kalingrad?
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| October 27, 2010, 8:09 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Usually around 324.

According to that number, Germany must have had around 40-45 panzer divisions in WWII.


Don't forget about attrition numbers, I would slice that number down quite a bit to get to a more reasonable number.
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| October 27, 2010, 8:11 pm
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Since there's all this war goin' on in Sudan now, I'm going to increase patrols AGAIN!!!

UAH-1s will do extensive patroling of the lower Red Sea. They will be mostly unarmed, with the exception of the main gun. The lack of heavy missiles and rockets makes the UAH-1 VERY FAST (like KENYANS!!!) It also increases their range and agility. They will report all ships spotted, their nationality, direction headed, speed, and approximate size. They WILL NOT FIRE upon anyone.
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| October 27, 2010, 8:19 pm
Quoting Thomas N
What Cruisers?

I think you may be mistaken about what a Cruiser is. A Cruiser is a large warship, between the sizes of a destroyer and a battleship.

Algeria has none of those, they do have missile boats, if that is what you mean.

I blame the 50+ star wars novels I have.

>_>
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| October 27, 2010, 8:30 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, all those puny ships compared to my 19 cruisers, ten destoyers, five frigates, five nuclear attack submarines and two aircraft carriers, and soon many squadrons of attack ekranoplans. I forgot about those it seems.

Also, look at the video I sent you. It clearly shows how an RPG fired at an IFV in the street is instantly knocked out of the air, plus how it reduces collateral damage by disallowing the projectile to detonate, destroying it with a shockwave of its own instead.

My newest sub is 120+ feet.

Still small but better than my other ones.
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| October 27, 2010, 8:35 pm
Quoting John Dawn
So you have 8,100 tanks in Kalingrad?
I ask you why wouldn't you want me fighting with the prussian's?

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| October 27, 2010, 8:36 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
Quoting John Dawn
So you have 8,100 tanks in Kalingrad?
I ask you why wouldn't you want me fighting with the prussian's? Would it be to overwelming or what?.

Not really, Areetsa would roll right over you.

Allies of Cliffe seem to find themselves in these positions a lot.
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| October 27, 2010, 8:42 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
So you have 8,100 tanks in Kalingrad?

Not really, only part of that force is pushing you out of the city itself, more of it is hitting your western flanks to the south of the city itself.
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| October 27, 2010, 9:18 pm
@Ultramarine
PUBLIC BATTLE ORDERS:
II Corps will move into positions held by I Corps in southwestern Libya, while I Corps returns to the USCA and prepares for another combat deployment. A force of 2,000 USCA Air-Cav is being sent to help II Corps, along with 50 more Avenger Missile Systems. 50 F1 ground attack planes will begin combat air patrols over the Algerian coast in an effort to halt offensives into Algeria.
@Tom
HMS Vanguard (2) will dive deep into the central Med. Sea
HMS Vanguard (1) will relocate to the central Baltic Sea
2 Type-4 ICMBs will be launched from the newly seized HMS Vanguard(1) into the heart of Kalingrad. We hope this helps the Russian advance.
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| October 27, 2010, 9:55 pm
Right. That's it I'm helping cliffe out. If they push threw kanlingrad there sure come heading my way ,if some one can help me with the emp's I'm going to get for this that would be helpful.
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| October 27, 2010, 10:30 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
@Ultramarine
PUBLIC BATTLE ORDERS:
II Corps will move into positions held by I Corps in southwestern Libya, while I Corps returns to the USCA and prepares for another combat deployment. A force of 2,000 USCA Air-Cav is being sent to help II Corps, along with 50 more Avenger Missile Systems. 50 F1 ground attack planes will begin combat air patrols over the Algerian coast in an effort to halt offensives into Algeria.
@Tom
HMS Vanguard (2) will dive deep into the central Med. Sea
HMS Vanguard (1) will relocate to the central Baltic Sea
2 Type-4 ICMBs will be launched from the newly seized HMS Vanguard(1) into the heart of Kalingrad. We hope this helps the Russian advance.

Alright. In case you didn't see it. I will no longer accept public plans. You are free to post them here, but send me a plan via FM as well. I'm not going to scroll through 30+ posts to find these anymore.

I will take these tonight, but please send them next time.
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| October 27, 2010, 10:41 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
There were also many things I found quite wrong with Ultramarine's CR...

1. WHERE IS MY BLEEDING AIR SUPPORT. I explicitly told you that naval Hyperfalcons would be on constant patrol, that twenty squadrons of Hyperfalcons were sent to gain air superiority, and that gunships would provide close air support for the landing infantry. You apparently decided to disregard all of that.

2. WHAT ALGERIAN SURFACE FLEET??? Algeria has made NO naval MOCs other than some small submarines. Algeria's former navy is certainly small and very, very outdated. I should have been able to tear them apart.

3. Mines should be very, very easily detected on radar and/or sonar unless they are specifically designed to be stealth mines. They are easily dispatched by frigate or destroyer cannons, often even if underwater.

1. It was there, but you seemed to have loaded everyone of your naval Hyperfalcons down with bombs. So they were at a severe disadvantage when it comes to the exact same aircraft with air-to-air missiles, wouldn't you agree? You said the air support was to arrive AFTER the landings (or at least it was listed after you were charging across Algeria). So, I will process that information later.
2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/5064778939/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/4869303871/
Plus some of the ones he's purchased from other countries.
3. I know, and that is why you didn't loose very much to them, they were more of a delaying tactic.


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| October 27, 2010, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, all those puny ships compared to my 19 cruisers, ten destoyers, five frigates, five nuclear attack submarines and two aircraft carriers, and soon many squadrons of attack ekranoplans. I forgot about those it seems.

Also, look at the video I sent you. It clearly shows how an RPG fired at an IFV in the street is instantly knocked out of the air, plus how it reduces collateral damage by disallowing the projectile to detonate, destroying it with a shockwave of its own instead.

He specifically ordered them to take refuge in his harbors/docks. Even if you had sunken everyone of them, do you know how hard it would have been to move over their hulks? Near impossible, they would have blocked your movements.


I'm working on the CR now. Boy, I really must be a CM now with all this controversy!

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| October 27, 2010, 10:53 pm
Quoting -> avalella
@Ultramarine
2 Type-4 ICMBs will be launched from the newly seized HMS Vanguard(1) into the heart of Kalingrad. We hope this helps the Russian advance.

Dishonorable cow@rd. I really wish people would stop shooting missiles at each other like kindergarteners throwing rocks.
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| October 27, 2010, 10:55 pm
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Quoting A steam locomotive
Right. That's it I'm helping cliffe out. If they push threw kanlingrad there sure come heading my way ,if some one can help me with the emp's I'm going to get for this that would be helpful.

Actually, helping him now makes you a target. As stated before once I have Kalingrad, I'll stop.

But, by all means go ahead, Areetsa could use some land that isn't in Central Russia.

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| October 27, 2010, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Dishonorable cow@rd. I really wish people would stop shooting missiles at each other like kindergarteners throwing rocks.


I use missiles as a last resort, in case air raids fail. Such weapons are only to be used sparingly, though.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:00 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
1. It was there, but you seemed to have loaded everyone of your naval Hyperfalcons down with bombs. So they were at a severe disadvantage when it comes to the exact same aircraft with air-to-air missiles, wouldn't you agree? You said the air support was to arrive AFTER the landings (or at least it was listed after you were charging across Algeria). So, I will process that information later.
2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/5064778939/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/4869303871/
Plus some of the ones he's purchased from other countries.
3. I know, and that is why you didn't loose very much to them, they were more of a delaying tactic.

I never said ALL of the naval hyperfalcons were loaded with bombs. Never said it.

And what I meant by after they landed is IMMEDIATELY after they land- as soon as the first men step off the landers onto the beach.

I still said that 20 squadrons of air force Hyperfalcons would be providing air superiority. They should have intercepted and shot down the incoming enemy aircraft.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:01 pm
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Speaking of ICBMs and other such large missiles, has anyone taken into account how expensive they are?
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| October 27, 2010, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I never said ALL of the naval hyperfalcons were loaded with bombs. Never said it.

And what I meant by after they landed is IMMEDIATELY after they land- as soon as the first men step off the landers onto the beach.

I still said that 20 squadrons of air force Hyperfalcons would be providing air superiority. They should have intercepted and shot down the incoming enemy aircraft.

Ok, well, it seemed to be a good deal of them were. However, after carefully reviewing your orders for yesterday, you only mentioned your 20 squadrons after you had established a coherent front and even a field headquarters? If you wanted them to support the advance, be more specific, please. Because you only had naval air support mentioned for the landings.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Ok, well, it seemed to be a good deal of them were. However, after carefully reviewing your orders for yesterday, you only mentioned your 20 squadrons after you had established a coherent front and even a field headquarters? If you wanted them to support the advance, be more specific, please. Because you only had naval air support mentioned for the landings.

Not everything I say is completely in order, good sir. When I say something like "Hyperfalcons will provide air superiority," that should occur to you as a GENERAL STATEMENT and that the Hyperfalcons will be doing so for the entire operation from the very start to the very end.

You must have an interesting thought process, I speculate.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:11 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Speaking of ICBMs and other such large missiles, has anyone taken into account how expensive they are?

I shot all the North Koreans who complained about that..... >_>
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| October 27, 2010, 11:14 pm
Quoting A steam locomotive
Right. That's it I'm helping cliffe out. If they push threw kanlingrad there sure come heading my way ,if some one can help me with the emp's I'm going to get for this that would be helpful.

You're the best, good sir.

Although this probably wasn't quite the best time to start helping, your border might get a little... overrun.

Worry not, tomorrow I'll have to help you first. THEN you can help me :-)

For your epic kindness, when we're done with Dawn, I will grant you sovereignty over Belarus. How does that sound?
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| October 27, 2010, 11:15 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Speaking of ICBMs and other such large missiles, has anyone taken into account how expensive they are?


Massively expensive, and thats why, I assume, avalella decided to jack one of Evan's boomers: he has the missiles and he doesnt have to pay.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:15 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
I shot all the North Koreans who complained about that..... >_>

Of course you did, glorious chairman... >.>

I wonder, what is your full evil dictator name?
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| October 27, 2010, 11:16 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Speaking of ICBMs and other such large missiles, has anyone taken into account how expensive they are?

nope. :)
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| October 27, 2010, 11:16 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For your epic kindness, when we're done with Dawn, I will grant you sovereignty over Belarus. How does that sound?
The IRA would like to officially respond: "Nuts!"

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| October 27, 2010, 11:17 pm
Quoting John Dawn
nope. :)

Maybe I won't have to bomb your infastructure after all, your economy should already be ruined.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Maybe I won't have to bomb your infastructure after all, your economy should already be ruined.
Just wait until I actually use my army.

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| October 27, 2010, 11:19 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For your epic kindness, when we're done with Dawn, I will grant you sovereignty over Belarus. How does that sound?
The IRA would like to officially respond: "Nuts!"

Classic.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:19 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I wonder, what is your full evil dictator name?

I had written it all out when I first joined, but I have no idea when that would be. How about:
Divinely-inspired-glorious-despot-of-the-enlighted-Mongolian-Empire Kublai Khan II. That sounds good.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Classic.
Just about finished with the series in military history, plus my uncle was a runner in WW2 gotta respect it.

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| October 27, 2010, 11:20 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Maybe I won't have to bomb your infastructure after all, your economy should already be ruined.
Just wait until I actually use my army.

An under-fed, under-supplied, under-fueled and quite possibly under-armed army.

Your supply lines are still on fire, I bet. At least still smoking.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:21 pm
Quoting John Moffatt
I had written it all out when I first joined, but I have no idea when that would be. How about:
Divinely-inspired-glorious-despot-of-the-enlighted-Mongolian-Empire Kublai Khan II. That sounds good.

Epic. Very good.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
An under-fed, under-supplied, under-fueled and quite possibly under-armed army.

Your supply lines are still on fire, I bet. At least still smoking.
You are thinking about the couple of tanks attacking? I'm talking about the thousands just waiting, You see I didn't call all of my tanks to the front lines.

Quoting Thomas Neumo
CR?

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| October 27, 2010, 11:24 pm
Have to nod off for the night before the CR comes out, unfortunately... night y'all.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:24 pm
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Can we just call him (Moffatt) Chairman Khan, like my parents call Mao simply Chairman Mao? I usually prefer simple titles, myself. We got the good Emperor Michael, with the seldom referenced Grand Duke John, chief homie. Because prime minister is a boring title.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:33 pm
Just John works. One of the three of us....
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| October 27, 2010, 11:34 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Just John works. One of the three of us....


I once told people to call me just John. They called me "Just John" all day. Then, there was a kid in my class called Jacob. They sung that wretched song every day for all the years we happened to be in the same class...
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| October 27, 2010, 11:40 pm
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Quoting John Moffatt
Just John works. One of the three of us....


Which is why Awe made me change back to Ham, I was getting confused with Gober.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:42 pm
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In Königsberg/Kaliningrad, the Russians seem to have called it quits.

50 ICBMs were fired at the remaining city in hopes of turning it to rubble.

Due to The Luftwaffe fighter pilots being specifically told to be extra wary for ICBMs, they at least had some readiness going,. and between fighters and SAMs 20 of the 50 ICBMs were exploded in flight.

30 hit the city.

The German Panzer divisions, now chasing the Russians who were in full retreat mode, were treated to the sight of the ICBMs exploding, toppling tall buildings, and burying much of the downtown area in rubble. The German troops, enfuriated and outraged by what they saw happen behind them, renewed attacks on the retreating Russians with amazing tenacity. The Germans through omber attacks, fighters, gunships, and everything at the Russians in an effort to repay them for the awful attack committed.

It is yet unknown how many civilians have died in the chaos and destruction in the city.

The Russians also launched 10 ICBMs along with the 5 EMPs were fired at Poland. With no effective air defense, the Polish forces that were targeted were hit severely, and dealt the maximum damage.

In a direct response to the attack on Poland, an anonymous source launched barrages of long-distance missile attacks at both the Russian units in Germany and Moscow. More missiles were shot down near Moscow, but still a massive amount of damage was done. It was worse for the Russian units in Germany, who, already being attacked by the Germans, were hit especially hard by the missiles aimed at them.

For all four missile strike zones (Königsberg, Moscow, Russians, and Polish military bases), casualties were in the thousands, and not all were military personnel. A great number of civilians were killed in both Königsberg and Moscow.

In the dead of night 30 Ho-12 stealth bombers, in separate flight groups, were sent to seek out and destroy Russian radar stations. And this attack was largely effective. I.R.A. radar coverage for much of its holdings in eastern Europe and west Russia has been severely compromised.

German divisions are still pushing the Russians back, towards the east.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:47 pm
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More Rage/quits from the 'man', more me more angry and trying to forget about it. Patronizing me doesn't help things.

Algeria:
The PCU pushed hard forward today, heavily protected by heavy armor, making for and reaching the outskirts of Algiers itself; under the cover of heavy naval bombardment. They were viciously counterattacked by Algerians who themselves brought heavy fire support, and by Nigerians (who had to hoof-it for the last ten miles to the city thanks to the B-52 attacks yesterday). X-bombs rained down on the Pacificans, heavy casualties resulted. Massive air attacks were launched by the Nigerians on both the landed troops and the PCU navy, striking several vessels, including two carriers. Naval fighters were scrambled, and heated contests ensued. But naval air power is at a disadvantage when they have to fight land-based. The PCU found themselves outflanked by the attacks, and under heavy shelling and bombings. Some USCA aircraft also made their presence felt in the air war. The PCU commanders heard a phrase in reports that struck them cold: “Situation in doubt.”

The Egyptian assault resumed with vigor at dawn, and was met with similar ferocity. The Algerian navy came under particular pressure by the Egyptians, who made it a point to target them. In a last ditch maneuver, the Algerian fleet bugged out to the west in an effort to save themselves, launching X-bombs and rockets all the way, with good effect. A vast aerial armada from Egypt sallied forth to give the landings support, but was met by over 30 Nigerian fighters, 20 privateers flying stealth aircraft, and about 20 USCA aircraft and forced to fight it out. A few penetrated this net and strafed the artillery batteries. They were low on fuel and couldn't stick around very long. A few others tried to lure the interceptors out toward the fleet, but the Africans didn't fall for the maneuver. The remnant limped home having been mauled by contemporary and superior aircraft. The USCA ground attack aircraft made a few runs on the attacking Egyptians, making their lives more difficult. However, because of shear numbers of landed men and armor, the Egyptians gained about five kilometers of ground. Some breathing room, at least.

Sudan:
The PCU stayed on the deffensive today, but launched some deep air raids into Nigerian lines. Going on previous orders, the Nigerians kept up the attacks, but were held for every inch. Not much was lost or gained there today.

Suez:
Re-adapting their tactics, the Algerians once again tried for the Suez Canal Bridge, hitting it and crippling it and making it back out. Several more closed on the Egyptian fleet and launched high-speed anti-shipping missiles at them. Some were shot down, but hits were recorded against two support ships and one carrier.

Losses:
1 Egyptian frigate
30 Egyptian hyperfalcons
2 Algerian surface vessels
10 Algerian hyperfalcons
7 Nigerian jets
1 PCU destroyer

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| October 27, 2010, 11:49 pm
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Africa is rather interesting for me to do. I just want to be clear that invasions are not easy affairs for sure. You are at an automatic disadvantage, which can be compounded easily by a good defense. Just so you know.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:54 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Africa is rather interesting for me to do. I just want to be clear that invasions are not easy affairs for sure. You are at an automatic disadvantage, which can be compounded easily by a good defense. Just so you know.

Which is why i hate doing it.
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| October 27, 2010, 11:56 pm
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Russia in retreat, PCU on the setback. How do those Nigerians get everywhere so fast?
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| October 27, 2010, 11:56 pm
I would call that mission a success. It's not so easy now is it Nick?
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| October 27, 2010, 11:58 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
I would call that mission a success. It's not so easy now is it Nick?

Heh. Prepare yourself.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:00 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
How do those Nigerians get everywhere so fast?

Two words mah boi,Tractor Races. Where else did you think farmers learned to drive?
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| October 28, 2010, 12:03 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™

Two words mah boi,Tractor Races. Where else did you think farmers learned to drive?


The town's converted Toyota machine gun pick up truck, of course.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:04 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Heh. Prepare yourself.

:O /spams missiles
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| October 28, 2010, 12:04 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
...20 squadrons of air force Hyperfalcons would be providing air superiority...

Do you realize how ridiculously huge that number is? It actually deteriorates effectiveness. If there are 480 Hyperfalcons flying around, the chances of an enemy fighter of the same build being noticed are incredibly small. Even if the enemy fighter is noticed, it is not safe to shoot a missile with 479 allied aircraft flying around. There is almost guaranteed friendly fire in such a situation. A small flight of maybe 24 aircraft (AKA one squadron) is much more efficient. I watch the Dogfight series fairly frequently, and in one of the films there is a flight of if I recall correctly 180 mixed German planes, and a flight of four P-51s jumped them. The German planes were in such close quarters that they couldn't dogfight the P-51s, and after taking out a considerable number of German planes the P-51s returned safely home. If Algeria's Hyperfalcons decided to attack your massive fleet, they could zip in there, it wouldn't take any time to lock onto several targets, shoot off their armament, and get out. Your chances of shooting down an enemy aircraft aren't actually very good when you've got 480 of the same exact plane swirling all around.

There's my 2 cents anyway...
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| October 28, 2010, 12:14 am
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Quoting Jack Ford


Maybe his squadron size is different from yours.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:20 am
My Squadrons are 18 Planes.
@Jack: Lucky. Dogfights is on at like midnight where I live.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:23 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
...20 squadrons of air force Hyperfalcons would be providing air superiority...

Do you realize how ridiculously huge that number is? It actually deteriorates effectiveness. If there are 480 Hyperfalcons flying around, the chances of an enemy fighter of the same build being noticed are incredibly small. Even if the enemy fighter is noticed, it is not safe to shoot a missile with 479 allied aircraft flying around. There is almost guaranteed friendly fire in such a situation. A small flight of maybe 24 aircraft (AKA one squadron) is much more efficient. I watch the Dogfight series fairly frequently, and in one of the films there is a flight of if I recall correctly 180 mixed German planes, and a flight of four P-51s jumped them. The German planes were in such close quarters that they couldn't dogfight the P-51s, and after taking out a considerable number of German planes the P-51s returned safely home. If Algeria's Hyperfalcons decided to attack your massive fleet, they could zip in there, it wouldn't take any time to lock onto several targets, shoot off their armament, and get out. Your chances of shooting down an enemy aircraft aren't actually very good when you've got 480 of the same exact plane swirling all around.

There's my 2 cents anyway...

Cliffe's squadrons are 10-12 aircraft.

And Algeria's hyperfalcons operate on the wrong frequencies, so the Egyptians can easily tell the difference between their own planes and the enemy's planes.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:24 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Dogfights is on at like midnight where I live.

I have the CD collection =P
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| October 28, 2010, 12:26 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Maybe his squadron size is different from yours.

I'm just going of the US definitions, I may be wrong.

Even with 240 aircraft, you still have the same issue.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:26 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
I'm just going of the US definitions, I may be wrong.

Even with 240 aircraft, you still have the same issue.

And its not like they're all flying in the same pack, as Cliffe stated, they're flying for air superiority, which pretty much stipulates that each squadron is flying with a good distance between each other one, all covering their own designated zone of airspace.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:28 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Cliffe's squadrons are 10-12 aircraft.

And Algeria's hyperfalcons operate on the wrong frequencies, so the Egyptians can easily tell the difference between their own planes and the enemy's planes.

200 is still a lot of planes... >.>

It's getting a visual identification and a missile lock that is the difficult part. With how fast they supposedly are, you wouldn't have much time to act, especially with all your friendlies in the area to watch out for.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:28 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
I'm just going of the US definitions, I may be wrong.

Even with 240 aircraft, you still have the same issue.

I thought of them as having about 10 planes apiece. That's why a few of them got through the rather large intercept that was thrown up.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:30 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
200 is still a lot of planes... >.>

It's getting a visual identification and a missile lock that is the difficult part. With how fast they supposedly are, you wouldn't have much time to act, especially with all your friendlies in the area to watch out for.

They're still not all in the same area. Picture this, you have a massive area of Algerian airspace to take control over, do you send a massive group of over 200 aircraft? or a bunch of smaller groups of about a dozen aircraft each?

Each squadron covers their own sector of airspace, and each a good distance from each other.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:30 am
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Quoting Thomas N
And its not like they're all flying in the same pack, as Cliffe stated, they're flying for air superiority, which pretty much stipulates that each squadron is flying with a good distance between each other one, all covering their own designated zone of airspace.

Ah, I see. I sorta skimmed, and from what I saw I thought the Egyptians were making a landing with a naval fleet while Hyperfalcons provided cover. Usually navy landings are fairly concentrated, which would provide a concentrated zone for patrolling aircraft.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:31 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I thought of them as having about 15-20 planes apiece. That's why only a few of them got through the rather large intercept that was thrown up.

an intercept of about 70 planes wouldn't be able to stop spread-out groups that collectively make up over 200.

They'd have to split the formation of 70 planes, a few go to each Egyptian squadron, and there still you have the issue of the Egyptians being in superior aircraft, and now you've got about 20 squadrons of about 12 each against 70 aircraft split 20 ways. Guess who should have won.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:33 am
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Quoting Thomas N
They're still not all in the same area. Picture this, you have a massive area of Algerian airspace to take control over, do you send a massive group of over 200 aircraft? or a bunch of smaller groups of about a dozen aircraft each?

Each squadron covers their own sector of airspace, and each a good distance from each other.

That sounds much more realistic. I would think 200-300 aircraft is still a little crazy, but it's better than what I had pictured, namely 200 aircraft flying circles over a formation of landing craft.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:34 am
Quoting Thomas N
...Egyptians being in superior aircraft...

Not to come out as rude, but I think I have the superior aircraft. Cliffe lost 30 and I lost 7.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:41 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Not to come out as rude, but I think I have the superior aircraft. Cliffe lost 30 and I lost 7.

That's because yours were spread out over Algeria and not all there. Don't get a big head. You lost a proportionate amount.

Quoting Thomas N
an intercept of about 70 planes wouldn't be able to stop spread-out groups that collectively make up over 200.

They'd have to split the formation of 70 planes, a few go to each Egyptian squadron, and there still you have the issue of the Egyptians being in superior aircraft, and now you've got about 20 squadrons of about 12 each against 70 aircraft split 20 ways. Guess who should have won.

Depends. BVR kills can wreak havoc and also for reasons in the FM. As an editorial, he did 'win' by penetrating the intercept and pressing the attack. But you have to consider fuel consumption for an aircraft that small.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:43 am
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Quoting Thomas N
an intercept of about 70 planes wouldn't be able to stop spread-out groups that collectively make up over 200.

They'd have to split the formation of 70 planes, a few go to each Egyptian squadron, and there still you have the issue of the Egyptians being in superior aircraft, and now you've got about 20 squadrons of about 12 each against 70 aircraft split 20 ways. Guess who should have won.

This is a bit of a subject-change here but I think you're going to have to call out the B.S. meter at some point here. I don't have any authority, but the Egyptian Airforce as of 2010 operates less than 300 fighter planes. A flight of 200+ seems a little above and beyond the definition of exaggurated. I still think Egypt should have won the engagement, but I think significantly smaller numbers on both sides should be required. I think in realistic numbers when I field aircraft, based mainly off my years of watching Dogfights, and to me flights of more than 100 aircraft are only used once or twice per war, not every time someone decides to do some bombing runs.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:44 am
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Quoting Thomas N
...the issue of the Egyptians being in superior aircraft...

I really need to start paying more attention here, I feel really intellegent right now but I thought the Algerians and the Egyptians both operated Hyperfalcons. The same exact build. I'm assuming I'm wrong...
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| October 28, 2010, 12:47 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
I really need to start paying more attention here, I feel really intellegent right now but I thought the Algerians and the Egyptians both operated Hyperfalcons. The same exact build. I'm assuming I'm wrong...

No, you are quite correct. We had equals, lessers, and superiors going up against each other in that match.
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| October 28, 2010, 1:04 am
I'll just leave it at: My aircraft are ok and are great for patrols. G'nite.
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| October 28, 2010, 1:07 am
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I'd like to issue a statement here. Cliffe mentioned having 5 squadrons of naval hyperfalcons. I can't believe between the two carriers he had that they'd be more than 5 machines apiece. Unless he has different sizes from naval to air force, that would put his overall commitment at about 125 max.

Otherwise, he's over-inflating his numbers, in which case I was right to scale them back.

Oh, in other news I've been personally threatened by the man himself because he was mad about his precious squadrons. Just to let you all know. If that doesn't cement my credibility, I don't know what would...
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| October 28, 2010, 1:13 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
I'll just leave it at: My aircraft are ok and are great for patrols. G'nite.

Not to insult your aircraft, but the Hyperfalcon is a very good airframe. I'd think the Ruby (I forgot the technical name for it) and the Hyperfalcon are probably about equal in a dogfight. I'm also going to assume that since Cliffe has been around longer, he has better technology and potentially better pilots. He's definitely had a lot more combat experience...

Anyway, I'm in a 2cents-stickin' mode...
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| October 28, 2010, 1:29 am
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Well, Kalingrad is going to have to be taken off the map.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:16 am
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Quoting John Dawn
But, by all means go ahead, Areetsa could use some land that isn't in Central Russia.

So you don't mind me moving large quantities of heavily armed rooskies through your territory? Thanks.

Mmkay, in other news, time for some fun. Dawn, Tom, you know what I'm up to. Finn, you've got a note in your inbox.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:46 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You're the best, good sir.

Although this probably wasn't quite the best time to start helping, your border might get a little... overrun.

Worry not, tomorrow I'll have to help you first. THEN you can help me :-)

For your epic kindness, when we're done with Dawn, I will grant you sovereignty over Belarus. How does that sound?
Great I just don't like it when peopel. Use missiles as toy's war's arn't won by that.

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| October 28, 2010, 6:51 am
CR2: war it is then .
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| October 28, 2010, 6:56 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
An under-fed, under-supplied, under-fueled and quite possibly under-armed army.

Your supply lines are still on fire, I bet. At least still smoking.
Yup most probably but we have strengths. Kaiser T. Cliffe the man with the plan, Awe the tank man. , me the Anti tank side of the alliance with my Pak gun's flak gun's and nebelwerfer's (rocket lorry version and static) and anti rocket systems , Nick The brute force of P.E. I say we can beat john and his toy's.


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| October 28, 2010, 11:12 am
New weapons update's: Anti missile system

This piece of equipment is more reliable at taking out those pesky missiles than a AA gun's or planes . in a barrage of katyusha rocket's with more punch then there ww2 counterparts in a 20 rocket barrage on the ground. With lorry's able to carry them on there roof's.
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| October 28, 2010, 11:18 am
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The Arakas anti-missile system has been completed and is in the process of being deployed around air bases, naval ports, and army bases. Ship-borne systems are also being deployed, the first to receive this system will be the new class of pocket-carriers of which the first example in nearing completion. It operates on advanced radar and high-speed tracking with high-speed missiles. It is the equivalent of the 21st century Patriot missile system. One-by-one, other naval ships will be refitted with this system. Examples are being shipped by air to the Ivory Coast, once again the long way around.

With China winding down (I hope), India is continuing the re-population efforts with the Chinese citizenry. The Chinese nationals serving in the Indian army have been granted, with their families, full citizenship of India so as to increase loyalty for those who just figured it was the only way for them to get a job. In a questionable, though necessary move, India slowly indoctrinated them by the medium of entertainment. Movies played for audiences of only the Chinese soldiers contained nano-second long messages intended to instill loyalty to India(such commercials were once aired during a 1950s movie. Subconsciously, millions of Americans were subjected to instantaneous messages. Sales for the adds rose far above responses for full-length advertising for the same product. The technique was understandably banned). Those who watched the movies showed a much higher devotion almost immediately thereafter. The tactic was rapidly implemented service-wide with great results.

Production of the B-1 and all other aircraft with the exceptions of the A-2 and F-1.
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| October 28, 2010, 12:21 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Speaking of ICBMs and other such large missiles, has anyone taken into account how expensive they are?
I reckon about ten million for one.

Let john launch his missiles i say he's sure to bankrupt himself.
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| October 28, 2010, 2:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Arakas anti-missile

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Wow we made anti missile system's on the same day.

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| October 28, 2010, 2:41 pm
My flying wing's will be able to push back those pesky rocket's

My pilot's will be on the look out for emp's and Icmb's.
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| October 28, 2010, 3:06 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
My pilot's will be on the look out for emp's and Icmb's.
You mean the ones who aren't exploded?

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| October 28, 2010, 3:20 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Glenn streeter
My pilot's will be on the look out for emp's and Icmb's.
You mean the ones who aren't exploded?
Ja , plus you have missed the fact that i have new plane's and anti missile systems now.

Also your rocket barrage has set off the troop's of Prussia you have yet to experience a tidal wave of army's combined.
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| October 28, 2010, 3:22 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Glenn streeter
My pilot's will be on the look out for emp's and Icmb's.
You mean the ones who aren't exploded?
Ja , plus you have missed the fact that i have new plane's and anti missile systems now.

Also your rocket barrage has set off the troop's of Prussia you have yet to experience a tidal wave of army's combined.
And you are about to invade Russia in the Winter. Plus, having new planes, doesn't mean you have more pilots to fly them.

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| October 28, 2010, 3:40 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Glenn streeter
My pilot's will be on the look out for emp's and Icmb's.
You mean the ones who aren't exploded?
Ja , plus you have missed the fact that i have new plane's and anti missile systems now.

Also your rocket barrage has set off the troop's of Prussia you have yet to experience a tidal wave of army's combined.
And you are about to invade Russia in the Winter. Plus, having new planes, doesn't mean you have more pilots to fly them.
/facepalm/
who said im invading ? Pushing you out of my territory and cliffe's is not invading.
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| October 28, 2010, 3:57 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Glenn streeter
My pilot's will be on the look out for emp's and Icmb's.
You mean the ones who aren't exploded?
Ja , plus you have missed the fact that i have new plane's and anti missile systems now.

Also your rocket barrage has set off the troop's of Prussia you have yet to experience a tidal wave of army's combined.
And you are about to invade Russia in the Winter. Plus, having new planes, doesn't mean you have more pilots to fly them.

I'm under the impression that Glenn Streeter is Poland, if he's not please correct me.

Last I knew, Poland's air force is pretty good as far as Pilots go. They have trained extensively with the German and American Airforces, and have attended Red Flag multiple times. I was watching a youtube video several months ago that I do believe was an American F/A-18 dogfighting a Polish MiG-29 in a high mountain range. I was amazed at the MiG pilot's ability to hug the ground at high speed, zipping around obstacles. The F/A-18 eventually got a missile lock and the game was over, but the Polish pilots aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

... my 2cents.
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| October 28, 2010, 3:59 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter

I read on Wikipedia the Poland flies 28 MiG-29s. Do you still operate these? If you don't, I would like to purchase some.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:01 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
I'm under the impression that Glenn Streeter is Poland, if he's not please correct me.

Last I knew, Poland's air force is pretty good as far as Pilots go. They have trained extensively with the German and American Airforces, and have attended Red Flag multiple times. I was watching a youtube video several months ago that I do believe was an American F/A-18 dogfighting a Polish MiG-29 in a high mountain range. I was amazed at the MiG pilot's ability to hug the ground at high speed, zipping around obstacles. The F/A-18 eventually got a missile lock and the game was over, but the Polish pilots aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

... my 2cents.
Thank you Jack , John has yet to realise this.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:02 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
I read on Wikipedia the Poland flies 28 MiG-29s. Do you still operate these? If you don't, I would like to purchase some.
sometimes, as training plane's and last ditch plane's two million for one .
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| October 28, 2010, 4:04 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
I'm under the impression that Glenn Streeter is Poland, if he's not please correct me.

Last I knew, Poland's air force is pretty good as far as Pilots go. They have trained extensively with the German and American Airforces, and have attended Red Flag multiple times. I was watching a youtube video several months ago that I do believe was an American F/A-18 dogfighting a Polish MiG-29 in a high mountain range. I was amazed at the MiG pilot's ability to hug the ground at high speed, zipping around obstacles. The F/A-18 eventually got a missile lock and the game was over, but the Polish pilots aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

... my 2cents.
You do know many of them died in a missile attack, I"m telling him that building planes doesn't give you pilots.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:05 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Jack Ford
I'm under the impression that Glenn Streeter is Poland, if he's not please correct me.

Last I knew, Poland's air force is pretty good as far as Pilots go. They have trained extensively with the German and American Airforces, and have attended Red Flag multiple times. I was watching a youtube video several months ago that I do believe was an American F/A-18 dogfighting a Polish MiG-29 in a high mountain range. I was amazed at the MiG pilot's ability to hug the ground at high speed, zipping around obstacles. The F/A-18 eventually got a missile lock and the game was over, but the Polish pilots aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

... my 2cents.
You do know many of them died in a missile attack, I"m telling him that building planes doesn't give you pilots.
But propaganda does. and you ad your icmb's have missed many training base's , you have just infuriated them.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:08 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Jack Ford
I read on Wikipedia the Poland flies 28 MiG-29s. Do you still operate these? If you don't, I would like to purchase some.
sometimes, as training plane's and last ditch plane's two million for one .

Upon further reading on Wikipedia, Poland has bought 36 F-16s. I have 22 F-16s in my airforce which I don't really operate, since I can't buy spare parts for them anymore. I could trade my 22 F-16s for 22 MiG-29s, then buy the other six with cash if this suits you.

I would highly recomend you keep the F-16s in service (AKA add them to your forces in the Statistics conversation.) They're good planes, and are very versatile. A force of 58 backup fighters is a considerably large force for a small nation.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:12 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Jack Ford
You do know many of them died in a missile attack, I"m telling him that building planes doesn't give you pilots.

I understand many of them died, but the ones who weren't on base are still alive, and are probably gonna fight a lot harder now that all their fellow pilots have been killed with missiles. I do admit that he's probably not as well equipped as you are, but don't go in expecting to find no resistance.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:14 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
I understand many of them died, but the ones who weren't on base are still alive, and are probably gonna fight a lot harder now that all their fellow pilots have been killed with missiles. I do admit that he's probably not as well equipped as you are, but don't go in expecting to find no resistance.
Yup , revenge is a fuel that burns hotter than hydrogen.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:20 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Jack Ford
I'm under the impression that Glenn Streeter is Poland, if he's not please correct me.

Last I knew, Poland's air force is pretty good as far as Pilots go. They have trained extensively with the German and American Airforces, and have attended Red Flag multiple times. I was watching a youtube video several months ago that I do believe was an American F/A-18 dogfighting a Polish MiG-29 in a high mountain range. I was amazed at the MiG pilot's ability to hug the ground at high speed, zipping around obstacles. The F/A-18 eventually got a missile lock and the game was over, but the Polish pilots aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

... my 2cents.
You do know many of them died in a missile attack, I"m telling him that building planes doesn't give you pilots.
But propaganda does. and you ad your icmb's have missed many training base's , you have just infuriated them.

And then you have to train those new pilots.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:24 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
I understand many of them died, but the ones who weren't on base are still alive, and are probably gonna fight a lot harder now that all their fellow pilots have been killed with missiles. I do admit that he's probably not as well equipped as you are, but don't go in expecting to find no resistance.
Oh I'm expecting resistance, just minimal.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:24 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
It is the equivalent of the 21st century Patriot missile system.

The equal, not superior? The Patriot is already (2010) fast becoming obsolete.

Quoting Glenn streeter
My pilot's will be on the look out for emp's and Icmb's.

You can't shoot down an ICBM. Not with fighters, anyway. They aren't like cruise missiles, which come along at a sedate pace from the other side of the continent, they go right up and come right down. Vertically down.

Quoting John Dawn
And you are about to invade Russia in the Winter. Plus, having new planes, doesn't mean you have more pilots to fly them.

Eh, no, he's about to be invaded BY Russia in the winter. Big difference.

Quoting Glenn streeter
But propaganda does. and you ad your icmb's have missed many training base's , you have just infuriated them.

So you're training skeet, now? This isn't a Japanese giant robot show, being really really angry doesn't make people fight better.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:26 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Oh I'm expecting resistance, just minimal.
Hahaha (break's into more laughter)
you really think im going down that easy? .

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| October 28, 2010, 4:27 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter

Have we reached a deal on the fighter trade? MiGs for F-16s?
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| October 28, 2010, 4:30 pm
Quoting Areetsa C


Eh, no, he's about to be invaded BY Russia in the winter. Big difference.

Orly? FYI its autumn just like to clarify that.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:31 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Have we reached a deal on the fighter trade? MiGs for F-16s?
yes let's say 1000 for 1000 deal?

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| October 28, 2010, 4:31 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Hahahahahah (break's into more laughter)
you really think im going down that easy? .
Yeah, pretty much.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:32 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting John Dawn
Oh I'm expecting resistance, just minimal.
Hahahahahah (break's into more laughter)
you really think im going down that easy? .
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah well you'd be wrong by a long shot.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:33 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Areetsa C


Eh, no, he's about to be invaded BY Russia in the winter. Big difference.

Orly? FYI its autumn just like to clarify that.

Thats what Napoleon said, see how he ended up, 400,000 troops down to 10,000.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:34 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Jack Ford
Have we reached a deal on the fighter trade? MiGs for F-16s?
yes let's say 1000 for 1000 deal?

1000 planes is a LOT of planes. My comment above (couple dozen comments up) has precise numbers.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:35 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter Yeah well you'd be wrong by a long shot.
Would be, but I'm not.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:35 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Newbie+Experienced Neo-Soviets+War=Slaughter

Precisely.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:36 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
1000 planes is a LOT of planes. My comment above (couple dozen comments up) has precise numbers.
20 for 20?

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| October 28, 2010, 4:37 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Orly? FYI its autumn just like to clarify that.

Okay, so you're being invaded by Russia just before the winter. Mf, close enough.

At least it's not Rasputitsa.
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| October 28, 2010, 4:37 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Jack Ford
1000 planes is a LOT of planes. My comment above (couple dozen comments up) has precise numbers.
20 for 20?

22+cash for 28. I can have the F-16s ready by tommorow. I can fly the MiGs back with the same pilots, I'll just send six more pilots in a private aircraft.

Can I pick up the 28 MiGs tommorow?
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| October 28, 2010, 4:41 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
22+cash for 28. I can have the F-16s ready by tommorow. I can fly the MiGs back with the same pilots, I'll just send six more pilots in a private aircraft.

Can I pick up the 28 MiGs tommorow?
yep


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| October 28, 2010, 4:45 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Newbie+Experienced Neo-Soviets+War=Slaughter
G.E.O.P highly trained airforce anti tank unit's anti missile units + prussian navy,airforce, huge tank's called king leopards+New Roman empire (don't know yet) with there tank's+ P.E (dont know yet) with there tank's + neo soviets = big mess.

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| October 28, 2010, 4:51 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
G.E.O.P highly trained airforce anti tank unit's anti missile units + prussian navy,airforce, huge tank's called king leopards+New Roman empire (don't know yet) with there tank's+ P.E (dont know yet) with there tank's + neo soviets = big mess.

Highly trained, mostly dead airforce, towed anti-tank units, brand new, untested AMS units, + very busy Prussian navy, Airforce (which is having a hard enough time protecting their own territory) huge tanks called Vasilas Leopardalis, no Romans because they liek teh Rooskies and teh Neutralities and are quite busy invading Israel, P.E. is also quite busy doing generically evil things in Africa.

All we need to do now is wait for Tom. Wherever he may be.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:01 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Highly trained, mostly dead airforce,

Who said my airforce was mostly dead i still have half a milion and climbing.

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| October 28, 2010, 5:05 pm
Any how time for a new forum ?
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| October 28, 2010, 5:15 pm
Well, if they manage to make us pull back, it'll be h#ll for the Polish and Germans to invade Russia, if they wanted to. WW2 all over again? Cept for the number of lives lost, I think. But honestly, fighting three nations is not too good a deal
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| October 28, 2010, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Who said my airforce was mostly dead i still have half a milion and climbing.

Half a million pilots. And you claim they're halfway competent. And that's AFTER you lose your most major bases.

And here I was thinking Cliffe and Finn were bad with numbers.

For a country like yours, 250-300 fighter aircraft, in total, is about the maximum. You're not a major power, you're not allied with a major power, you haven't been in any wars or been threatened by any wars in the last 20 years. There's no way you've even half that. Maybe a hundred, maybe a hundred and twenty, and maybe thirty of those capable of flight.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:17 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Okay, so you're being invaded by Russia just before the winter. Mf, close enough.

At least it's not Rasputitsa.

Would you use the "scortched earth policy?"
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| October 28, 2010, 5:18 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Jack Ford
22+cash for 28. I can have the F-16s ready by tommorow. I can fly the MiGs back with the same pilots, I'll just send six more pilots in a private aircraft.

Can I pick up the 28 MiGs tommorow?
yep

I'd recommend you add the F-16s to your Airforce statistics in the appropriate thread. I will add my MiGs now, since a one-day inaccuracy is generally acceptable here.

At any rate, you should make sure to add them to your stats before the war takes off. You'll want all the equipment you can get.

Do you have a Flickr? If so, can you give me a link?
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| October 28, 2010, 5:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Arakas anti-missile system has been completed

I can't wait to see it. As far as I know, I'm the only one in this group with a 'real' SAM.


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| October 28, 2010, 5:22 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
I really need to start paying more attention here, I feel really intellegent right now but I thought the Algerians and the Egyptians both operated Hyperfalcons. The same exact build. I'm assuming I'm wrong...

No, Algeria stole and is now copying the design.

Egyptians in their own aircraft perform more effectively than Algerians in a stolen aircraft, a point I've made before, actually a point I've made in my own CRs.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:22 pm
Who was the guy who decided to attack both warring factions?
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| October 28, 2010, 5:23 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Not to come out as rude, but I think I have the superior aircraft. Cliffe lost 30 and I lost 7.

I don't know why Cliffe lost so many, perhaps it was a statistic compounded by Ultramarine's assumption that he had 200 aircraft flying in formation, a point which I have already covered.

Either way, one-on-one comparison between the hyper falcon and your aircraft, the hyper falcon wins.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:25 pm
Quoting Thomas N
stolen aircraft

I like to think of it as...
um-borrowing...yeah that's it.

>_>
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| October 28, 2010, 5:25 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Who was the guy who decided to attack both warring factions?
John because i wanted to help cliffe, john gave me a warning , i ignored it ,he launches missiles .

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| October 28, 2010, 5:26 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
This is a bit of a subject-change here but I think you're going to have to call out the B.S. meter at some point here. I don't have any authority, but the Egyptian Airforce as of 2010 operates less than 300 fighter planes. A flight of 200+ seems a little above and beyond the definition of exaggurated. I still think Egypt should have won the engagement, but I think significantly smaller numbers on both sides should be required. I think in realistic numbers when I field aircraft, based mainly off my years of watching Dogfights, and to me flights of more than 100 aircraft are only used once or twice per war, not every time someone decides to do some bombing runs.

I'll leave Cliffe to field the question of why his Egypt is far moire viable than today's Egypt, and why his air force is vastly larger. He'd be better at explaining that. Anyway, Cliffe's Egypt has a much larger air force than the Egypt of 2010, and you can ask Cliffe why.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:28 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I don't know why Cliffe lost so many, perhaps it was a statistic compounded by Ultramarine's assumption that he had 200 aircraft flying in formation, a point which I have already covered.

Either way, one-on-one comparison between the hyper falcon and your aircraft, the hyper falcon wins.

Or maybe it was the SAMs, Foreign aircraft, Ruby's, and Hyperfalcons?
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| October 28, 2010, 5:30 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
I'm under the impression that Glenn Streeter is Poland, if he's not please correct me.

Last I knew, Poland's air force is pretty good as far as Pilots go. They have trained extensively with the German and American Airforces, and have attended Red Flag multiple times. I was watching a youtube video several months ago that I do believe was an American F/A-18 dogfighting a Polish MiG-29 in a high mountain range. I was amazed at the MiG pilot's ability to hug the ground at high speed, zipping around obstacles. The F/A-18 eventually got a missile lock and the game was over, but the Polish pilots aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

... my 2cents.

Except for the fact that most of the old Polish pilots were killed in the preemptive strike Russia ordered.

Also, Glenn has never built any aircraft, so I'm relegating his air force to parts of what Poland had in 2010, and whatever he has bought. (about half of which was destroyed in the preemptive strike).
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| October 28, 2010, 5:35 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Would you use the "scortched earth policy?"

Probably not. I've got plans that don't involve alienating his entire population.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:35 pm
Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Finn C-Q
Who was the guy who decided to attack both warring factions?
John because i wanted to help cliffe, john gave me a warning , i ignored it ,he launches missiles .

Uh... no, he and me is the Russians, you is the with the Germans, there is a 5th person...
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| October 28, 2010, 5:38 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Probably not. I've got plans that don't involve alienating his entire population.

Good...
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| October 28, 2010, 5:39 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Except for the fact that most of the old Polish pilots were killed in the preemptive strike Russia ordered.

Also, Glenn has never built any aircraft, so I'm relegating his air force to parts of what Poland had in 2010, and whatever he has bought. (about half of which was destroyed in the preemptive strike).
Orly? ,what's this then? http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/233666 .
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| October 28, 2010, 5:39 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Except for the fact that most of the old Polish pilots were killed in the preemptive strike Russia ordered.

Also, Glenn has never built any aircraft, so I'm relegating his air force to parts of what Poland had in 2010, and whatever he has bought. (about half of which was destroyed in the preemptive strike).
Glenn did build a mini flying wing. I'm not arguing that Poland will win, but they're not a helpless little nation waiting for someone to steamroll them. More like a vastly outnumbered nation waiting for someone to steam roll them... I still think they would likely do a little damage to the invading forces.

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| October 28, 2010, 5:39 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

Check your Fmail please.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:41 pm
Poland is not the WW2 poland any more.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:41 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Jack Ford
Have we reached a deal on the fighter trade? MiGs for F-16s?
yes let's say 1000 for 1000 deal?

You only have 28 of the MIGs. Some of which (again) were destroyed in the Russian preemptive strike.

With most of your main air bases out of operation, I'm going to sya that you have no real way of fielding an effective air force. Not to mention that many of your pilots are dead (it will take months to train new ones), at least half of your air force is destroyed outright (you have no air force MOCs, and you can't build new planes until you do).
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| October 28, 2010, 5:41 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Please read the comment's below that.

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| October 28, 2010, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Well, if they manage to make us pull back, it'll be h#ll for the Polish and Germans to invade Russia, if they wanted to. WW2 all over again? Cept for the number of lives lost, I think. But honestly, fighting three nations is not too good a deal

I really don't think they'll be invading Russia. for all his eccentricities, Cliffe isn't that ill-advised.

Still, its going to be formidable for them just to defend, especially now that Cliffe has the extra baggage named Poland to look after.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:46 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Poland is not the WW2 poland any more.

No, it's a nation full of neo-nazis going by its equipment lists.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:48 pm
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On a different note entirely un-related to the above conversation, Garcia Aircraft Industries will be re-starting production of the Su-51. We plan on building another 100 over the course of several months.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:49 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Thomas N
Except for the fact that most of the old Polish pilots were killed in the preemptive strike Russia ordered.

Also, Glenn has never built any aircraft, so I'm relegating his air force to parts of what Poland had in 2010, and whatever he has bought. (about half of which was destroyed in the preemptive strike).
Orly? ,what's this then? http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/233666 .

A hastily-built, thrown-together micro-scale plane that won't perform well against the Russians because they actually put effort into their creations?

Actually, don't bother answering that, I know I'm right.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:49 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
No, it's a nation full of neo-nazis going by its equipment lists.
Shameful , i will not tolerate that.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:51 pm
Quoting Thomas N
A hastily-built, thrown-together micro-scale plane

Actually, don't bother answering that, I know I'm right.
Or it's because i don't have the piece's or the space to make something like what John or Arees'ta can make .

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| October 28, 2010, 5:53 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I really don't think they'll be invading Russia. for all his eccentricities, Cliffe isn't that ill-advised.

Still, its going to be formidable for them just to defend, especially now that Cliffe has the extra baggage named Poland to look after.

Indeed, although I must say, this is really costly in terms of lives and equipment.
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| October 28, 2010, 5:54 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Either way, one-on-one comparison between the hyper falcon and your aircraft, the hyper falcon wins.

Why? FM me why. If you take out the electronic stuff (MTV, his 'Advanced electronics', and supposed pilots that are all Aces.) they're about equal.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:07 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Why? FM me why. If you take out the electronic stuff (MTV, his 'Advanced electronics', and supposed pilots that are all Aces.) they're about equal.

Except the Hyperfalcons are a lot faster, more maneuverable, have thrust vectoring, DO have better electronics, and DO have superior pilots.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:08 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Thomas N
A hastily-built, thrown-together micro-scale plane

Actually, don't bother answering that, I know I'm right.
Or it's because i don't have the piece's or the space to make something like what John or Arees'ta can make .

Then you shouldn't have gone to war.

If you expect special treatment, don't look to me for it.

I compare MOCs for much of the one-on-one fights that I include in my CRs. I can look at any plane made by the Russians, then look at yours, and I know which is going to be better.

I would even go so far as to say that older Russian and soviet planes would be more effective than your build.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:11 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Then you shouldn't have gone to war.

If you expect special treatment, don't look to me for it.

I compare MOCs for much of the one-on-one fights that I include in my CRs. I can look at any plane made by the Russians, then look at yours, and I know which is going to be better.

I would even go so far as to say that older Russian and soviet planes would be more effective than your build.

I really need to build that T-200, but lack treads

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| October 28, 2010, 6:14 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Except the Hyperfalcons are a lot faster, more maneuverable, have thrust vectoring, DO have better electronics, and DO have superior pilots.

So as I understand you your saying that Cliffe's planes are above average and my are way under average?
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| October 28, 2010, 6:16 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Then you shouldn't have gone to war.

If you expect special treatment, don't look to me for it.

I compare MOCs for much of the one-on-one fights that I include in my CRs. I can look at any plane made by the Russians, then look at yours, and I know which is going to be better.

I would even go so far as to say that older Russian and soviet planes would be more effective than your build.

Just remember to divide any unit numbers he gives you by 10 or 20. He has way more equipment than even a hyperindustrialized country like, well, mine could produce in the time since it was introduced. His flying wing? He introduced it a couple days ago, and he's already got something like 100 squadrons. 300 squadrons of F-16s? Either it's propaganda, or he's got the Finn bug.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:24 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Just remember to divide any unit numbers he gives you by 10 or 20. He has way more equipment than even a hyperindustrialized country like, well, mine could produce in the time since it was introduced. His flying wing? He introduced it a couple days ago, and he's already got something like 100 squadrons. 300 squadrons of F-16s? Either it's propaganda, or he's got the Finn bug.

>.>
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| October 28, 2010, 6:25 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Then you shouldn't have gone to war.

If you expect special treatment, don't look to me for it.



I would even go so far as to say that older Russian and soviet planes would be more effective than your build.
If you think that, fine that's your opinion.

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| October 28, 2010, 6:26 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
So as I understand you your saying that Cliffe's planes are above average and my are way under average?

Because they're cheap knockoffs with sub-par electronics.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:26 pm
That reminds me, my spec ops "Dagger" force's training is complete, and will be seeing combat in the near future
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| October 28, 2010, 6:27 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
>.>

If it makes you feel better, Cliffe's got a way more advanced case than you. Which is not a good thing.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:35 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Because they're cheap knockoffs with sub-par electronics.

If your referring to the "Stolen Hyperfalcons", I don't use them. I use my own fighters. I don't own a single Hyperfalcon.
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| October 28, 2010, 6:36 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
If it makes you feel better, Cliffe's got a way more advanced case than you. Which is not a good thing.

Not really, but sure. I'm not that offended, but rather not be the joke of the group
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| October 28, 2010, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
If your referring to the "Stolen Hyperfalcons", I don't use them. I use my own fighters. I don't own a single Hyperfalcon.

Then why'd you say "So as I understand you your saying that Cliffe's planes are above average and my are way under average?"
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| October 28, 2010, 6:45 pm
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On Poland: They've been steamrolled so many times that they don't even need their own nation to keep fighting. See WWII and how Poland had the most effective resistance (until Russia betrayal five'd them in the Warsaw Uprising). The Bears so far haven't seemed as brutal as the old Soviets, and this time Poland has German backing, so let's see what happens...


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| October 28, 2010, 6:50 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Then why'd you say "So as I understand you your saying that Cliffe's planes are above average and my are way under average?"

Cause he's fighting 'em
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| October 28, 2010, 6:53 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
On Poland: They've been steamrolled so many times that they don't even need their own nation to keep fighting. See WWII and how Poland had the most effective resistance (until Russia betrayal five'd them in the Warsaw Uprising). The Bears so far haven't seemed as brutal as the old Soviets, and this time Poland has German backing, so let's see what happens...


My elite unit is trained to be brutal, though I don't like it, I think it's effective

>.>

<.<
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| October 28, 2010, 6:54 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
My elite unit is trained to be brutal, though I don't like it, I think it's effective

>.>

<.<


Your elite unit was trained in two weeks. Given the 2x production speed this group has, that's like a month.

Now, contrast that to the 4 or so months Nick and I spent training elite PCU troops...

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| October 28, 2010, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
My elite unit is trained to be brutal, though I don't like it, I think it's effective

Mine are trained to do things as spectacularly as possible while retaining the maximum probability of success.

Staging a terrorist hostage crisis with a stolen bus, some mannequins, loudspeakers and remote controlled pulleys to move the 'hostage takers' around, so they can steal interesting things from a nearby research facility?

Yeah, that sort of thing's pretty much standard procedure.
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| October 28, 2010, 7:03 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Because they're cheap knockoffs with sub-par electronics.

Not true, Matt's already cleared up the whole
"knock off" issue.
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| October 28, 2010, 7:11 pm
Time to train some elites it will take until january next year
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| October 28, 2010, 7:12 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
On Poland: They've been steamrolled so many times that they don't even need their own nation to keep fighting. See WWII and how Poland had the most effective resistance (until Russia betrayal five'd them in the Warsaw Uprising). The Bears so far haven't seemed as brutal as the old Soviets, and this time Poland has German backing, so let's see what happens...

Yup This time poland's got the upperhand this is not going to be ww2.

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| October 28, 2010, 7:18 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Then why'd you say "So as I understand you your saying that Cliffe's planes are above average and my are way under average?"

I thought he meant my other planes, which may be the case. Sorry for misunderstandings.
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| October 28, 2010, 7:21 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
I thought he meant my other planes, which may be the case. Sorry for misunderstandings.

Oops, sorry. I thought you meant "why are his Hyperfalcons so much better than mine" not "why are his fighters so much better than mine"

Quoting Glenn streeter
Yup This time poland's got the upperhand this is not going to be ww2.

In what way has Poland got the upper hand?
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| October 28, 2010, 7:30 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
This time poland's got the upperhand

I lol'd.
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| October 28, 2010, 7:32 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Not to insult your aircraft, but the Hyperfalcon is a very good airframe. I'd think the Ruby (I forgot the technical name for it) and the Hyperfalcon are probably about equal in a dogfight. I'm also going to assume that since Cliffe has been around longer, he has better technology and potentially better pilots. He's definitely had a lot more combat experience...

Anyway, I'm in a 2cents-stickin' mode...
Thanks for supporting me. I think cliffe probably has better pilots, being here longer and all.

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| October 28, 2010, 7:37 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I lol'd.
I lol'd twice
<.<
>.>

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| October 28, 2010, 7:40 pm
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