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First I want to thank all you competitors who saw this thing through to the end, or at least stuck around as long as you could. I hope you enjoyed taking part in this experiment, even if it wasn't much of a "competition" for the most part. I was often blown away by the quality builds you guys managed to produce within a 10 or 11 day span.

And I want to thank my fellow Mob Rulers for the vital role they played. As it turned out I was able to handle all the figuring of scores and whatnot myself, but by myself I never could have come up with the variety of interesting categories that we had. I hope you as builders enjoyed those as well.

Now...

I can't pretend I'm not disappointed in how things proceeded. I expected some DQ's, especially early on, but I never dreamed there'd be so many, and that it would be a continuing problem, too often rendering the scoring moot. (Well, excrement happens, as they say. My own computer died halfway through the competition, so if I was playing I'd have been forced to take a DQ myself. If I've seemed like an absentee landlord lately, it's because I have to snatch time when I can on a borrowed computer.) The game only works well when everyone involved builds and judges. Through most of the tournament, we just weren't firing on all cylinders.

If the Mob Rules is run again, something will unquestionably have to be done to work around that, to make the scoring relevant no matter how many DQ's there were. I've got some ideas. But I just don't know if it's worth running again. Maybe, like communism, it only works well in theory and can't survive in the real world.

So in addition to any other thoughts you all would like to share, I would most like to know a few things:

Would you play again if there was a (hopefully improved) Mob Rules part 2?

Would you be more cutthroat if there was a tangible prize on the line?

Is this a bad time of year for such a contest, with end-of-school tests and summer vacations and whatnot to contend with? Keep in mind that having to work around established events like the MOColympics and MOCathalon limits when you can fit in another 10 or 12 week tournament.

Thanks again to all the participants, and please be brutally honest in telling me what worked, what didn't, what you did or didn't like, and any ideas you have that might improve the experience for a possible second go-round.
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| July 22, 2010, 12:31 am
Quoting Shannon Young
So in addition to any other thoughts you all would like to share, I would most like to know a few things:

1. Would you play again if there was a (hopefully improved) Mob Rules part 2?

2. Would you be more cutthroat if there was a tangible prize on the line?

3. Is this a bad time of year for such a contest, with end-of-school tests and summer vacations and whatnot to contend with? Keep in mind that having to work around established events like the MOColympics and MOCathalon limits when you can fit in another 10 or 12 week tournament.


First, off. Thank you for all the hard work, to Dennis, M00Dswim, Chris, Hans , and Shannon! These categories were extremely hard, but in the end, got me to build stuff I never would of thought of.

To answer your questions:

1. Yes! This was fun, but I think I need time to re-coop and re-strategize.

2. Heck yes! It would be awesome and draw a lot more people too!

3. Being partly homeschooled, it worked out fine for me, but there were some un-expected things that happened during the summer which set me back a little, but it was a good time for a contest.

And to put in my own little thing here that probably won't happen...I think you should do it once a year (same time o' year), and the yearly winner (e. g. Wes) gets to come up with categories for the next year. Maybe? Maybe not...

Anyway, thanks to everyone who participated and "mob ruled" with me. 'Twas very fun.

~Casey~
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| July 22, 2010, 12:56 am
Quoting Shannon Young
Would you play again if there was a (hopefully improved) Mob Rules part 2?

Would you be more cutthroat if there was a tangible prize on the line?

Is this a bad time of year for such a contest, with end-of-school tests and summer vacations and whatnot to contend with?.


1. I would definitly play again. It was an awesome idea an has a lot of potential.

2. Of course yes!

3. The apointment wasn't really well, you already said it, school and summer holidays don't work well with a lego contest. Probably it's hard to find a time where everyone is ready, but I pretend Autumn would be fitting at least for me.
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| July 22, 2010, 2:14 am
First off, thank you Shannon and the rest of the rulers for settting this up. It's been a really fun tournament.

I would definitely compete in Mob Rules 2.0!
I don't get much more cut-throat than I was this time.

For me, the competition was at a busy time of year. In between work and exams I was finding it hard to get my entries in on time.
Another thing that really slowed me down was the categories. I wasn't expecting them to be so... Different. I think that's why we had so many DQ's. They were most likely thinking that the categories would be the usual kind of stuff (city, mech, space, etc.). If you do Mob Rules 2, maybe state in the rules that the categories will be unusual.

Despite all of the DQ's and BS, I had a lot of fun!
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| July 22, 2010, 7:04 am
 Group admin 
First, someone's comment, that needed reviewing, was accidentally deleted. I apologize for the inconvenience; it's early.
As for the contest, despite the DQ's, I would call it a minor success. The varying and interesting categories led to some of the most creative LEGO building I have ever seen. The idea of the contestants having to come to some kind of consensus as to what the heck the categories meant, made for some entertaining dialogue. Who knew that 'One Red Brick' could be sooo controversial? The judging was a great idea that should be further explored, so face it, you'll do it again!
The one thing that I think you should keep in mind, Shannon, is that this was the first run and it was bound to have it's issues. As much as it can be easy to 'spread the word' around here, it can sometimes be equally as hard. The timing wasn't necessarily bad as far as WHEN it was ran, but how quickly it all started. If it was something we all knew about and were looking forward to, two weeks would be plenty of time to have the amount of contestants as you originally hoped for/expected. With classes ending and vacations starting, I'm sure a lot of people missed the fact that this was even going on. The more annual something becomes, the more people can prepare. I would wager that Chris will find a larger turn-out for the MOC Olympics than last year or the year before that, because people know it's coming.
In conclusion, I think it deserves another try, with some tweeking. Thanks for letting me help out, it was a lot of fun. If/when you decide to give it another go, I would be happy to help 'Rule the Mob'. Or, maybe, I'll grab my 6 iron and take at swing at this Pitter guy...~H
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| July 22, 2010, 9:39 am
Quoting Shannon Young
My own computer died halfway through the competition, so if I was playing I'd have been forced to take a DQ myself. If I've seemed like an absentee landlord lately, it's because I have to snatch time when I can on a borrowed computer.)

Your computer seems to have a tendency of giving you problems during contests you're running.

Quoting Shannon Young
Would you play again if there was a (hopefully improved) Mob Rules part 2?

I think so. Although the competition was pretty time intensive, it was definately fun.

Quoting Shannon Young
Would you be more cutthroat if there was a tangible prize on the line?

I don't know that I'd be much more cutthroat, but I'd probably put just a bit more effort into my builds.

Quoting Shannon Young
Is this a bad time of year for such a contest, with end-of-school tests and summer vacations and whatnot to contend with?

It's been kinda rough at times, but considering the alternative times I don't know when it would work better.

Quoting Shannon Young
Thanks again to all the participants, and please be brutally honest in telling me what worked, what didn't, what you did or didn't like, and any ideas you have that might improve the experience for a possible second go-round.

And thank you for holding the contest! As for suggestions/complaints: I appreciated the more open categories (Something with Wings, One Red Brick, Corporate Raider, There can only be one, etc.) to the ones that required a little more focus (Song and Dance Number; Morton Zuckerman, Detective Chef; etc.) That's the only thing I can think of to mention right now.

And on another subject: Do you think you'll hold the Vig/orama Contest again?
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| July 22, 2010, 9:57 am
Shannon, for me this contest was pure organized insanity - and fun! I raked my brain over the coals every two weeks with the categories. I agree with an earlier comment, I think by Jason, that the categories themselves could have contributed to the drop-outs. But I wouldn't change a thing about those, for they pushed me in uncomfortable, thus growing, directions.

Schedule-wise, summer is a great time for us teachers (and students) to participate in a contest, although I know there was some trouble still with classes and whatnot.

At first I was tempted to be disappointed that your little "experiment" didn't get us all at each other's throats. But then I realized that the result was still valid. A bunch of nice people, when waiting in line at the supermarket for plentiful goods they can all afford, will smile, nod at each other, and take their turns. Put that same bunch in a desperate situation, and they will become a mob of pirates. My point? Had there been a prize available, there would have been a lot more pushing and shoving to the front. Perhaps not as much this year. But, as the event continues, the prestige attached to the win will increase, and then so will the pressure on the mob.

As far as playing next time, I certainly would consider it. But I'd also have to consider that I would have a large target painted on my head. That would make things entertaining right there! One way or another, I'd loved to be involved next time.
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| July 22, 2010, 11:03 am
Quoting Hans Dendauw
First, someone's comment, that needed reviewing, was accidentally deleted. I apologize for the inconvenience;


Hans, that was me and I could gleefully dismember you right now. It was a comment that was clever, funny, inciteful and in places touching. But mostly, it was LONG!

I shall paraphrase.

Would I play again - yes, time permitting. My wife expects me to do something other than building this year.

Would prizes make it more cutthroat - yes, and I suspect also draw in a larger initial pool of players and decrease the number of dropouts.

Did the timing matter - not for me. I am off on vacation in a few weeks, which may scupper entry into the MOColympics, but as an adult I pay attention to dates and don't enter contests when I have to go to camp/ learn correct grammer/ get easily confused by the interesting categories.

What would I change? - Scores should matter from R1, so DQs to not count in elimination numbers. No free passes for late entries/ no links in thread/ etc. Make the categories even stranger.

As a social experiment, think of us as the test group mice, good-natured and sometimes full of apathy. Then introduce the cheese of a prize and watch the rats appear....
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| July 22, 2010, 11:29 am
To answer your questions:

1: Probably.
2: Probably not.
3: The timing was fine but like Hans said, a new contest needs lots of publicity.
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| July 22, 2010, 1:02 pm
Having observed the tournament as one of the Mob Rulers, I'd say it went fairly well for the first time out. Yes, a prize or prizes on the line would make the competition more cutthroat and perhaps more interesting. I loved the categories we came up (and not just the ones I suggested, either). I like the fact that we offered little or no explanation to them because it gave the builders freedom to do whatever they wanted -- I was surprised, however, by how many builders didn't take that freedom and tried going the conventional route. Not that it's a bad thing, because Wes and most, if not all, of the top 10 competitors run rampant with their ideas.
As to one red brick: We didn't clarify what a red brick is and for that I accept the blame or the honors. The idea was that the single red brick be purposely and strategically used and overall the entries were inventive and fun.
As to "Song and Dance", "Morton Zuckerman" and so on, I do not feel those categories were restrictive or stifling in any way. The idea behind them was give builders options: you could go the conventional or unconventional route and be successful.
Should the contest be run again? Yes. Was timing a factor? Perhaps, but I think too many people fell back on the school/work/life excuse to save face on a DQ because they were afraid of the category. Yes, it does happen to everyone, but not usually at the same time. 10-11 days? C'mon, folks, unless you're traveling you can surely find 30 minutes to build a vignette at least, and most of our categories could have been done as a vignette. Just my opinion.
Would I play? No. I'd gladly participate as a Mob Ruler, however. Why not play, you ask? Well, it's because I really enjoyed this experience!
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| July 22, 2010, 1:33 pm
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Quoting Casey McCoy
And to put in my own little thing here that probably won't happen...I think you should do it once a year (same time o' year), and the yearly winner (e. g. Wes) gets to come up with categories for the next year. Maybe? Maybe not...

Actually Wes was one of the guys I contacted to be a possible Mob Ruler, but he wanted to play instead. A wise move, as it turned out!


Quoting Jøsh !
Autumn would be fitting at least for me.

That was my original plan, but here's the problem with an autumn Mob Rules: You have to let people catch their breath after the MOColympics, which is a grueling marathon in its own right. So you start in October and end up conflicting with the busy holiday season -- Thanksgiving in America, and then Hanukkah and Christmas and New Years. People have enough to worry about at that time of year without a Lego contest demanding constant involvement.


Quoting Ethan M.
Your computer seems to have a tendency of giving you problems during contests you're running.


Tell me about it! After the virus it caught during Vig/orama, it was sort of fixed, but never did run right again. It would die and then mysteriously fix itself, or I was able to do a system restore to bring it back. It seems like it's down for good this time.

Quoting Ethan M.
Do you think you'll hold the Vig/orama Contest again?

Not this year. I've got serious real-life issues mounting up which are going to force me to put down the Lego for a while. I don't want to get into it, but very soon I'm going to drop off the face of the earth (as far as the community is concerned) and I don't know when I'll be back.



Anyone interested in seeing a few categories you could have gotten but didn't? After the first round, when we had more Mob Rulers than groups, we had our own little competition: the five of us each submitted a category idea and ranked the others -- Highest point getter was assigned to Group A, next went to Group B, etc, and the lowest scoring ones didn't get used.

Round 2, my idea, "Off With Their Heads" was scrapped.

Round 3, Hans's "Telivishun is gooder then reeding" and Moodswim's "Standing in the Shower Thinking" didn't make the cut.

Round 4, my "Life and Times of Rosco the Rat," and Moodswim's "If you're lookin flor 'er, you Flounder!" were voted down. Chris suggested "There can only be one," and it sounded like a perfect final round category to me, so I made the executive decision to hold it back til round 5.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of some of the crazy stuff we brainstormed. I would like to see similar open-ended categories in other future contests.
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| July 22, 2010, 5:41 pm
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I think this is a great idea for a contest, and, as many have stated, turned out some really interesting and entertaining builds. The open-ended category titles was a stroke of genious!

Despite the difficulties, I think the contest went very well for it's first time out. I apologize for my inactivity, but work is work. Nonetheless, I would be delighted to be a member of the Mob Rulers if there is a pt 2.

Thanks for inviting me and letting me be a part of this, Shannon!
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| July 22, 2010, 6:16 pm
^ Some of these sound great! We missed out here.
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| July 22, 2010, 6:20 pm
Quoting Stuart Delahay
^ Some of these sound great! We missed out here.


Yeah! Especially the "Off with their heads" one. That could have had a lot of interesting entries!
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| July 22, 2010, 6:25 pm
I thought this contest was ingenious, even though I was one of "those guys". I would love to take a crack at it again.
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| July 22, 2010, 6:28 pm
"Standing in the shower thinking"

Made my day.
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| July 22, 2010, 7:42 pm
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First, Shannon. Thank you so much for letting me be a part of this grand experiment! It was a lot of fun to see all the categories come to life in ways we'd never expect!

As for the timing, I've learned from being MOCpages resident game show host (thanks for the moniker there ShannY) that there is NO good time for a contest for everyone. There's ALWAYS going to be someone who has work/school/soccer/stubbed toes get in the way and won't participate. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's not. But no matter what, it'll always be a part of the big contests.

Coming up with the categories was a lot of fun! Your idea for "off the wall" categories really made us, the judges, try to one up each other in the rulers group. Nothing but awesomeness came from it so thanks! And yes, to those that are wondering, some of that basic idea WILL creep in to the Olympics on some level.

(and in case anyone is wondering, yes the olypics are starting soon. either end of August or early sept. not sure yet but we'll let you all know)

In closeing, Shannon. Thank you for putting this on. The concept was something that people hadn't seen before and when you first came to me with it, I was so excited to be a part of it from the word go! If you do this again, count me in!

To the other "rulers." Thanks for all the fun in the rulers group. Coming up with the categories and feeding off your guys' creativity was an awesome experience.

To the players. This contest couldn't have been done without you. All of you (that played that is) put in your all and really thought "outside the brick" with out wacky categories.

Thank you all!
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| July 22, 2010, 7:45 pm
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Quoting Stuart Delahay

Hans, that was me and I could gleefully dismember you right now. It was a comment that was clever, funny, inciteful and in places touching. But mostly, it was LONG!

Words can not express how crappy I feel about that. I got so caught up in reading your little essay, trying to figure out WHY it was flagged in the first place, that I forgot to hit the 'allow' button. It was as elegant as you stated, so full of prophetic incite, symbolism, and outright wisdom as to border on poetry...Alas, the masses will forever be deprived of your testament, all because of me. I will now flog myself until the dawn comes, in hopes of somehow driving away this gut wrenching guilt.

Also, in my morning fog, I failed to thank my fellow Rulers. Chris, Moody and Dennis, along with Shannon, all came up with some GREAT category ideas that could have really gone places. Hopefully some of those will pop up in some future contests. So thanks again, guys, it really was entertaining.~H
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| July 22, 2010, 9:27 pm
Quoting Hans Dendauw
Words can not express how crappy I feel about that. I got so caught up in reading your little essay, trying to figure out WHY it was flagged in the first place, that I forgot to hit the 'allow' button. It was as elegant as you stated, so full of prophetic incite, symbolism, and outright wisdom as to border on poetry...Alas, the masses will forever be deprived of your testament, all because of me. I will now flog myself until the dawn comes, in hopes of somehow driving away this gut wrenching guilt.


Why do I get the feeling i'm being mocked here?

I suspect that flogging was for entirely different purposes, but thats for the innuendoers, not here.

As to why it was flagged, well some things should remain a mystery.....
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| July 23, 2010, 3:16 am
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Quoting Stuart Delahay
Why do I get the feeling i'm being mocked here?

I suspect that flogging was for entirely different purposes, but thats for the innuendoers, not here.

As to why it was flagged, well some things should remain a mystery.....

I would never mock you, my friend, just patronize. I really did feel bad about it, though.~H
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| July 23, 2010, 8:47 am
Quoting Shannon Young
Tell me about it! After the virus it caught during Vig/orama, it was sort of fixed, but never did run right again. It would die and then mysteriously fix itself, or I was able to do a system restore to bring it back. It seems like it's down for good this time.

Bummer...

Quoting Shannon Young
I've got serious real-life issues mounting up which are going to force me to put down the Lego for a while. I don't want to get into it, but very soon I'm going to drop off the face of the earth (as far as the community is concerned) and I don't know when I'll be back.

That's too bad, I hope everything works out all right.
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| July 23, 2010, 1:29 pm
Quoting Stuart Delahay
^ Some of these sound great! We missed out here.

"Telivishun is gooder then reeding" would have been a blast!
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| July 23, 2010, 1:33 pm
Quoting Stuart Delahay
Hans, that was me and I could gleefully dismember you right now. It was a comment that was clever, funny, inciteful and in places touching. But mostly, it was LONG!

Quoting Hans Dendauw
It was as elegant as you stated, so full of prophetic incite, symbolism, and outright wisdom as to border on poetry...Alas, the masses will forever be deprived of your testament, all because of me.

I really wish I could have read that comment, now.
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| July 23, 2010, 1:38 pm
Quoting Hans Dendauw
I would never mock you, my friend, just patronize. I really did feel bad about it, though.~H


Mock away, i am a married man you know, i'm used to it. And never feel bad about it. You probably did everyone a public service by saving them from my ramblings.

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| July 24, 2010, 5:09 am
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