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Decline of the Bionicle community?
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I've been noticing, throughout the 3 years I've been active on MOCpages and the Bionicle fandom, that the morale and general direction we've been heading has been down. I know that some loyal fans have been going strong, but all in all, things aren't too lively anymore. BZpower doesn't have many bionicle news coming in too often anymore, and Greg has been busy raising his daughter. Bionicle has become an old topic to many of my friends, and I'm usually the only one who locally tries to start a conversation about the topic. Plus the spam attack last summer and the occasional topics on MOCpages help about a Bio-MOCist doing something bad. I think this is totally preventable activity, on both MOCpages and BZpower. We can keep the stream of new content going. This is what has kept us, and other fandoms going after the end of the story for so long. We can keep this story alive!

KEEP in mind, this is totally my opinion, so feel free to post your own opinions.
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| April 24, 2013, 2:28 pm
Also, always keep this in mind:

"Keep in mind that if Star Trek fans had, as a group, said, 'No point in talking about this anymore, it's never going to come back,' it never WOULD have come back."
-- Greg Farshtey

"Once Star Trek ended - pfft! - the network didn't care about it anymore, nobody cared about it anymore and it was the fans that kept it alive until finally someone turned around and said "You know what? There's a whole mess of people out there who like this. Let's do something with it again. It was a lot of years - a lot of years went by - before that happened. But if the fans shrug their shoulders and are like "Pfft! I don't care about this anymore and I'll just forget about it," then everybody else is going to forget about it, too. So the only people who - the Lego company can't do it - the only people who can keep the flame alive is the fans ... It's something only fans can do."
-- Greg Farshtey

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| April 24, 2013, 2:31 pm
Quoting Everox Toa of Plasma

You know, at this point, I label anyone who actually think that bionicle can come back as unintelligent. It's been a long time since Bionicle was cancelled, and I and may other people have been able to see logically that there is no reason, or even a reason to want, bionicle to come back. Here's my list of arguments;

-A lego line is not the same as a TV show. When Star Trek ended, it was because viewership was down. They ended it, and that was it. Nothing replaced it. You can't even compare that to bionicle. Bionicle was very successful, even close to the end, but there were other reasons it 'stopped', I'll get to those later. And when it 'stopped', an equal line replaced it. If lego brought back bionicle, they would not make enough money off it, whereas Star Trek fans proved that there was a sufficient audience for profit.

-Now for the reason bionicle was cancelled. Lego officially said that the bionicle story was getting far too complicated for the target age group (8-10 year olds!) to be able to follow, or even join in on. That's why the bioinicle storyline had so many distinct sections of story, it was made for the sets, and young kids needed to be able to understand the story to some degree. Meanwhile, Greg was simultaneously trying to please devoted fans with a good story, so the later half of the story because extrememly complicated and impossible to follow up or continue on without mass confusion. It had to end, and it did so in a very dignified way. I think that if bionicle came back, it would have no dignity left, and it would be a sad reminder of everything bad that happened at the end of bionicle.

-Hero Factory IS bionicle. In case you didn't notice, HF 1.0 sets were pretty much EXACTLY the same as Bionicle Stars. The sets themselves were a logical progression from bionicle, because the buidling system was getting stale. Bionicle historically had many different action figure systems, like how the mata were different from the metru were different from the hordika, but they stopped changing after the inika. Hero Factory freshened this up, and even if bionicle hadn't stopped, they would have become Hero Factory in style anyway, because a new system was desparately needed.

-Hero Factory was made with simplistic plot lines and basic morals, something that Lego learned it failed to do with Bionicle. Heroes are good role models, and the stories don't need to go on forever. They can reuse a character for no reason. Hero Factory is the ideal contraction theme from a maketing standpoint, whereas bionicle became a nightmare. If you want a good story, pick up a book, but bionicle doesn't need to get any more complicated. That's what fanfic is for.


-To summarize; Bionicle's plot was too complicated to continue, Hero Factory sets are what bionicle would have become anyway, Hero Factory is the perfect model from a marketing standpoint, and the fan base is so small compared to the mass public, that we have little say in lego's descisions.

Now please quit all this nonsense about bionicle coming back, there are numerous reasons why it CAN'T, and only one flimsy reason why some people WANT it to.
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| April 25, 2013, 12:48 pm
Quoting Steve The Squid
Now please quit all this nonsense about bionicle coming back, there are numerous reasons why it CAN'T, and only one flimsy reason why some people WANT it to.


I never said anything about wanting the franchise to come back, I'm just saying that we should try to keep the fandom from ending. Even if Star Trek doesn't have anything to do with Bionicle, it is still a pretty good analogy. The point is, I'm trying to be optimistic in saying that the bionicle fandom is not dying, and there are a couple ways of preventing it from not dying.
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| April 25, 2013, 2:28 pm
Quoting Everox Toa of Plasma


I like the enthusiasm, but you should just let go. It's one thing to be optimistic, it's another to fight over a lost cause. Bionicle is done forever. Just let go... Forget about it. Moc for as long as you want and keep it alive, but don't try to bring it back. It's pointless. This is the same with anything in life. If something was good while it lasted than leave it be and keep the memory of it. Sorry to go all melancholy on you guys, but that's the way things in life are sometimes.

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| April 25, 2013, 3:09 pm
Quoting Steve The Squid

THANK YOU ! :) Someone understands.

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| April 25, 2013, 3:13 pm
Quoting Chopperskull (Jon)

I like the enthusiasm, but you should just let go. It's one thing to be optimistic, it's another to fight over a lost cause. Bionicle is done forever. Just let go... Forget about it. Moc for as long as you want and keep it alive, but don't try to bring it back.

I never said anything about bringing it back, I might of said it a bit wrong. I never meant to just say "Bring Bionicle back!" I know we all wanted that to happen, but realistically, it isn't going to happen anytime soon if at all. As the title of the topic suggests, I'm talking about the general integrity of the Bionicle community. I meant new content from fans, NOT the creators. There are other ways of keeping a community intact, other than the franchise itself. Thats the very basis of Bionicle now: The fan's interest and the content they make.
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| April 25, 2013, 9:54 pm
I have also been noticing a decline in the community. And while I agree, lego won't ever bring it back and it would kill the series for them to, the content has been growing stale. Which is why I will be launching a bionicle webcomic of my own soon for anyone who's interested (I have a teaser image on my home page). Now, however, I need to put college first.
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| April 26, 2013, 7:12 am
Quoting Matt D.
I have also been noticing a decline in the community. And while I agree, lego won't ever bring it back and it would kill the series for them to, the content has been growing stale. Which is why I will be launching a bionicle webcomic of my own soon for anyone who's interested (I have a teaser image on my home page). Now, however, I need to put college first.
Exactly! Keep content fresh and interesting, that's mostly all that we can do by now. I am planning, to make a series too. But first I have to get my priorities straight.

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| April 26, 2013, 2:23 pm
This video puts it very nicely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAMji4m9S18

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| May 29, 2013, 2:47 pm
I wrote a really long response, so long it won't let me post all of it, so here it is, in pieces.

Quoting Steve The Squid
-Hero Factory IS bionicle. In case you didn't notice, HF 1.0 sets were pretty much EXACTLY the same as Bionicle Stars... because a new system was desparately needed.

-Hero Factory was made with simplistic plot lines and basic morals, something that Lego learned it failed to do with Bionicle.

-To summarize; Bionicle's plot was too complicated to continue, Hero Factory sets are what bionicle would have become anyway, Hero Factory is the perfect model from a marketing standpoint, and the fan base is so small compared to the mass public, that we have little say in lego's descisions.

Now please quit all this nonsense about bionicle coming back, there are numerous reasons why it CAN'T, and only one flimsy reason why some people WANT it to.


I must say, as politely as I can, that I am offended by your opinion, steve. So, as the strony diehard that I am, I feel the urge to present my counter arguments. Your first point that I chose to quote above is that hero factory and bionicle are synonomous, because of their technic building style and that bionicle's building system would of become hero factory's eventually. For me, (and, I believe, for alot of fans) bionicle was more than just a building system. I agree, from a marketing standpoint, bionicle must of been no fun for the "big shots" at lego. But I would of appreciated it if they had continued to publish books after they stopped selling sets, even if it ment changing the target age group. The Hero factory storyline is weak, and inconsistent. Furthermore, in bionicle, fans would get used to some characters, (like the toa mata) and then the series would move on to new protagonists. However, hero factory tries to make the best of both worlds, having nine different heroes, and inevitably leaving out three of them every time new sets are released.
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| June 18, 2013, 3:22 pm
In Bionicle, if your favorite character is discontinued, you knew it was the way things are and enjoyed the new heroes. Instead, when lego tries to have all heroes sold on a semi-regular basis, a fan may feel their favorite is left out.Steve also said that eventually bionicle would of taken up the building system we know as hero factory. If that is true, then maybe it is better that lego stopped selling sets. The hero factory "2.0" building system consists of identical "bone" parts, which you can clip on to identical "armor parts", and the only variation between parts is their length. Even XL sets primarily use these pieces, and if it wasn't for witch doctor, who actually had some unique pieces, builders who joined after bionicle ended would have MOCs like "yellow armor guy with long legs and pointy weapon" and "blue armor guy with no armor on his arms with shooter weapon".
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| June 18, 2013, 3:23 pm
The 2.0 system has taken the creativity out of building with "the replacement to bionicle".The next little bit I took from steve's argument says that Hero Factory has simple plot lines and basic morals. Uh... since when is a simple plotline good? 'nuff said there. But real people don't use basic morals. We all have inner struggles and times when we break down, as illustrated by Tahu's date with the shadow leech. Kids need to see that not all people or events are black or white, good or bad.Finally, steve wraps up by saying we have to small a fan base to decide what lego does, despite the hugely successful cuusoo website. We are also lucky enough to have a direct line to lego. The problem is not using it. If everyone on the planet who was dissappointed to see bionicle go got up and emailed, or called, or snail mailed lego the day they announced bionicle would be discontinued, who knows? perhaps it would of made no difference. Or, it could of convinced them to keep the subject matter and direct it at older viewers, who would understand it's complicated storyline. The one thing I do agree with steve on though, is that after watching it end through my tears, I wouldn't want to see it brought back as a shadow of it's former self.
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| June 18, 2013, 3:23 pm
I would like to add that although the bionicle community has been "dying out", we are still around. Maybe Mocpages and Youtube has been dying out, but other websites such as Flickr and Deviant Art still have bio-mocists.

with the rumor of BIONICLE 2015 (you can check TTVPodcast youtube channel and my Flickr for the color photo (as well as Google Search), I think the community may come back and be more active. Of course, most of us have grown up and moved on with our lives, but it doesn't hurt to try and stay connected. In a way, we are sort of like a family.....

.... Also, I personally had to make a Flickr account because Mocpages image uploader is "broken" for me.

You can follow (or check out my stuff on Flickr) :)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/125669542@N06/
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| July 27, 2014, 1:35 pm
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