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International Conversation Forum IV
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-Southeast Asian expansion
-Increased European Tensions
-Land deals in North America

Begin.
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| December 6, 2010, 7:42 pm
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Huh, posts were deleted.

Moving on, what's up in China?
-You know exactly what's up. Fighting is a slow and tedious business in this day and age, when it isn't lightning fast
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| December 6, 2010, 7:49 pm
I'd like to keep New Jersey like Switzerland, neutral.
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| December 6, 2010, 8:07 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Im in a cr@ppy mood now

Sorry if it was my fault.

In the SU, negotiations continue.
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| December 6, 2010, 8:12 pm
Quoting John Dawn
I'd like to keep New Jersey like Switzerland, neutral.

I second this.
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| December 6, 2010, 8:13 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
So, Finn, as Korea, what reasons does the Republic of the Philippines have for giving up their sovereignty to you.

The fact that they'll get protection, be part of a bigger nation so they don't get invaded by war mongering land grabbers (looks at Danny), other benifits such as tech. ;p

Also, thanks Jake
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| December 6, 2010, 8:39 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
The fact that they'll get protection, be part of a bigger nation so they don't get invaded by war mongering land grabbers (looks at Danny), other benifits such as tech. ;p

Also, thanks Jake

Also an ally of Korea, is an ally of the SU :P
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| December 6, 2010, 9:27 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Also an ally of Korea, is an ally of the SU :P

Yep
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| December 6, 2010, 9:30 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
The fact that they'll get protection, be part of a bigger nation so they don't get invaded by war mongering land grabbers (looks at Danny), other benifits such as tech. ;p

Also, thanks Jake

Actually, The Philippines are bigger than the two Koreas combined.
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| December 6, 2010, 9:35 pm
Quoting Will G.
Actually, The Philippines are bigger than the two Koreas combined.

I am talking about compaired to other nations, that have much larger armies and nations
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| December 6, 2010, 9:40 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
I am talking about compaired to other nations, that have much larger armies and nations

But you are now making Korean the minority. Two different languages and cultures, and one is bigger than the other. If you were to conquer it that would be different...
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| December 6, 2010, 10:34 pm
So how's combat moderation work in this group?
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| December 6, 2010, 10:41 pm
I have nothing really interesting to report.

And Finn, why do you keep going on about me?
I'm reuniting Indonesia, you're just almost instantly annexing whole nations that are bigger than yours, like the Philippines.

please stop using me as an example
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| December 6, 2010, 10:47 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
I am talking about compaired to other nations, that have much larger armies and nations

Regardless, you need to take longer, no whole nation would willingly join another one, especially a small, underpowered one like Korea, in less than a week. You need to be more accurate with times, your annexations should take at least a month.
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| December 7, 2010, 7:47 am
Quoting danny morgan
I have nothing really interesting to report.

And Finn, why do you keep going on about me?
I'm reuniting Indonesia, you're just almost instantly annexing whole nations that are bigger than yours, like the Philippines.

please stop using me as an example

It's your threat peved me off a while back, and i'll stop
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| December 7, 2010, 8:03 am
Quoting Thomas N
Regardless, you need to take longer, no whole nation would willingly join another one, especially a small, underpowered one like Korea, in less than a week. You need to be more accurate with times, your annexations should take at least a month.

Okay, i'll have it finish by the new year.
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| December 7, 2010, 8:04 am
Quoting Thomas N
Regardless, you need to take longer, no whole nation would willingly join another one, especially a small, underpowered one like Korea, in less than a week. You need to be more accurate with times, your annexations should take at least a month.

It's not even logical though. They don't even speak the same language. He'd have to take it by force.
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| December 7, 2010, 8:04 am
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The Western Confederation has enacted an order and has made our stance clear: We intend to uphold the Monroe Doctrine. The greedy European powers are warned against attempting to set foot in N. America. I trust the other American powers will stand with us against this intrusion. You've got your side of the world, we've got ours.

Of course, this won't stop us from expanding into other hemispheres should the opportunity arise; it just stops you from coming here.
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| December 7, 2010, 11:44 am
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Apparently no one believes me that I'm not expanding. Would it help if I said that I want to ensure that MY state doesn't get the short end of the stick? Oh, and this newfound American bravado is rather hilarious.
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| December 7, 2010, 11:49 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Apparently no one believes me that I'm not expanding. Would it help if I said that I want to ensure that MY state doesn't get the short end of the stick? Oh, and this newfound American bravado is rather hilarious.

New found? Heck, I've had it the whole time. Well, if that was the case, you should have claimed it in the beginning. As they say: "Mitts off our land!"
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| December 7, 2010, 11:55 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
New found? Heck, I've had it the whole time. Well, if that was the case, you should have claimed it in the beginning. As they say: "Mitts off our land!"


Sigh. What would Sweden, Norway, and Finland ever want to do in North America! The purpose of this group is to focus more on realistic militaries, budgets, and of course, country composition. I would be violating that last bit of realism by going into North America. Have no fear, its ONLY so that when NJ inevitably is about to get gobbled up that it isn't as easy as just saying that the people all welcome it.

The New Jersey special envoy will remain, and the 3 diplomats will stay there until its eventual assimilation into one of the new American governments.

The Baltic Union Type-4s have been completed, and they are undergoing sea trials. BU sailors are invited aboard the ship, as well as attending training sessions for the Type-4 in the UFS.

The NDV Skandinavien (Type-2 cruiser) has completed preliminary sea trials, and will be joining the Tri-Nation naval drills (which will be commencing tomorrow). NDV Allegiance has finally been launched, as the radar and A-ASBM missiles have been loaded. It will test fire its missiles against simulated targets within the week.

The ground based UFS-Russian wargames have reached their climax, and a full four armored divisions are simulating combat right now. A comprehensive review will be completed shortly.

The Norwegian anti-unification terrorist cell has been all but eliminated, and all are facing trials by Norwegian courts. It should be noted that, despite the time already dedicated to unification, at least another month will be needed for everything to be up to speed.

Our 5 current Type-4 submarines have been sortied to the North Atlantic, mostly on the American side.
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| December 7, 2010, 12:06 pm
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No, I meant you should have started out as your state if you wanted it 'treated right.' Just stay out.
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| December 7, 2010, 12:18 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
No, I meant you should have started out as your state if you wanted it 'treated right.' Just stay out.


I refused to be bullied around by a country that doesn't even share a physical border with the state in question.
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| December 7, 2010, 12:21 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I refused to be bullied around by a country that doesn't even share a physical border with the state in question.

Yet. But then again, that's why we have this marvelous invention called 'Airplanes.'

Hey, the PCU did it with Oklahoma, I can do it here.
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| December 7, 2010, 12:23 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yet. But then again, that's why we have this marvelous invention called 'Airplanes.'


Then again, I dont care.
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| December 7, 2010, 12:23 pm
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So has anyone answered Arty C's question yet?
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| December 7, 2010, 12:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So has anyone answered Arty C's question yet?


Since no one has committed to combat yet, we have not figured it out. However, I think that this time we would have one of the Admins have combat modding, but to keep things consistent.

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| December 7, 2010, 12:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Of course, this won't stop us from expanding into other hemispheres should the opportunity arise; it just stops you from coming here.

I prefer my policy: you visit us, we visit you.
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| December 7, 2010, 3:27 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker


Almost all of the American countries don't want Europeans meddling in their affairs. It'd be best if you stayed out of the Americas.


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| December 7, 2010, 4:33 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Almost all of the American countries don't want Europeans meddling in their affairs. It'd be best if you stayed out of the Americas.


Matt doesn't want the land. I trust him. You know why, because I think he has a little more brains than to come into the some of the most hostile nation's territories and take the land.

I also would like to make sure his men aren't attacked while he visits. That's why I'll send 250 CSS Marines, 15 F-16's and an armored convoy to assure his safety. If you attack him, I fire back.
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| December 7, 2010, 4:51 pm
Quoting Will G.
Matt doesn't want the land. I trust him. You know why, because I think he has a little more brains than to come into the some of the most hostile nation's territories and take the land.

I also would like to make sure his men aren't attacked while he visits. That's why I'll send 250 CSS Marines, 15 F-16's and an armored convoy to assure his safety. If you attack him, I fire back.

I won't attack him. That would be st00pid.
Now if I was going to attack him you would know. I would of sent you and a few other nations an FM by now.

Anyways, how is that convoy going to get there?
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| December 7, 2010, 4:55 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I won't attack him. That would be st00pid.
Now if I was going to attack him you would know. I would of sent you and a few other nations an FM by now.

Anyways, how is that convoy going to get there?

They're gonna fly. Perhaps a convoy was an over statement. But one by one the tanks will be flown over.

And if they are shot down then there will be a problem. And I don't deal with those very well...
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| December 7, 2010, 5:03 pm
Quoting Will G.
They're gonna fly. Perhaps a convoy was an over statement. But one by one the tanks will be flown over.

And if they are shot down then there will be a problem. And I don't deal with those very well...

Well they'd better be flying over the ocean, and it will take a while. Also, you'll have to ask an admin about whether or not NJ will be fine with having tanks flown in.

Also, all those tanks will make ME uncomfortable.

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| December 7, 2010, 5:05 pm
Now that Ontario has joined our cause, the rest of Canada should join soon enough.

Especially with that Japanese fleet so close.
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| December 7, 2010, 5:13 pm
Okay. If Matt needs an American ally then he has one.

All powerful admins, may I send American protection to Matt?
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| December 7, 2010, 5:15 pm
So long as NJ stays neutral I have no problem with people talking to them, but I don't want foreign troops stationed there. I will allow a 10 day pass for now, but any longer and the troops there will be considered a threat to national security.
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| December 7, 2010, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
The Baltic Union Type-4s have been completed, and they are undergoing sea trials. BU sailors are invited aboard the ship, as well as attending training sessions for the Type-4 in the UFS.

We thank you kindly and graciously accept your offer.

For the Tri-nation naval exercises, we are to be the OpFor, so we are committing the new Super carrier battle group B.N.S. Berlin (Battle group consists of: B.N.S Berlin Super Carrier, 2 Stealth Cruisers, 4 escort Destroyers, and 4 LAS-2s), along with our only AMB submarine, our 6 type-212 submarines, several Frigates, and 4 Admiral Neumo Destroyers.


In BU news, The influential Dutch Businessman who paid the terrorist organization has been put to trial in Holland, and the jury of cooperative Dutch citizens has found him guilty of Treason and murder for hire. He has been sentenced to life in prison, because in the BU, we don't believe in the death penalty.

The state-supported drug rehabilitation programs are working marvelously, after the first tough week, most drug victims are able to make it through withdrawal, especially because they are given no access to the drug, so they eventually suffer through it. We are proud to say that some souls who suffered from drug use previously are now on their way to healthy, happy further lives, and there have been no deaths as a result of rehabilitation.

The illegal drug trade has also been stuffed up, most likely because BU police are given moe... lets say "options" when dealing with drug dealers.
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| December 7, 2010, 5:24 pm
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Since I didn't post yesterday, this will cover two days' worth.

My carrier fleet arrived off the Brazilian cost yesterday evening, and off-loaded the ordered Mig-60s there. The Baja fleet broke off and made the Tierra Del Fuego early this morning. The carrier fleet turned back for home.

When the detachment of marines arrived in San Jose yesterday, they had barely gotten their command center up and running, and the airport secured when the drug cartels rolled out the welcome wagon. They presented some pretty convincing firepower, taking out a scorpion tank with a helicopter-borne AT rocket. The copter was shot down moments later, and the attack repelled. Three more scorpion light tanks are being loaded up (TUSK equipped) on two of the returned C-130s, with extra gear for the garrison. Also, an AC-130 is going there too, intel suggesting that more gangs were on the way.

Quoting Will G.
All powerful admins, may I send American protection to Matt?

Alrighty here. I'm sending men to Denmark, because my family has ancient ties there and I just want them 'treated fairly.' What now? You think anyone over there is going to take that at all? Why should we?

Well, anyhow, I'm loading them up on planes now. And, just like magically in NJ, the people of Denmark will be willing to accept my protection and welcome me with open arms. Even though I have no clue how to speak their language or know if they even want me there.
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| December 7, 2010, 6:53 pm
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It would seem the New Jersey ordeal has been stretched out of context. Having it as a neutral zone would do nothing for the individual state, but rather the state would begin diminishing with the weight of sovereignty upon its shoulders. The latter would include having to pick up all of its own debts, create its own defense budget, establish foreign relations upon its own accord, etc. Thus, having a third-party nation come in and lend a hand here or there wouldn't be bad for New Jersey; it would actually fall into the "foreign relations" department. Granted Matt has said he couldn't care less who grabbed the state just shows he has no interests in snatching the lonely little territory; plus, he's running a Nordic union, not a Nordic and American one. Matt is pretty much just drawing in his own relations with his home state with his political reign in the group; a bit of nostalgia. Regardless, the neighboring American power should gobble up New Jersey as soon as possible so the state doesn't bleed-out and become penniless.
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| December 7, 2010, 7:10 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Regardless, the neighboring American power should gobble up New Jersey as soon as possible so the state doesn't bleed-out and become penniless.

I would, but that would be violating a treaty John and I made a while ago.
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| December 7, 2010, 7:33 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Thus, having a third-party nation come in and lend a hand here or there wouldn't be bad for New Jersey... the neighboring American power should gobble up New Jersey as soon as possible so the state doesn't bleed-out and become penniless.


With these words in mind, talks continue on with border provinces of the Kaoxiang lands. Taiwan's attitude has warmed, and Inner Mongolia openly contemplates re-integration, as a response to mounting poverty there. The war in the south goes on, our planes make things to our advantage. But the fighting is slow, and heavy. Like WWI without trenches.
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| December 7, 2010, 7:49 pm
Manitoba and Nunavut have decided to join the S.U.
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| December 7, 2010, 8:18 pm
No Confederate Marines will come to the aid of the Nords.
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| December 7, 2010, 8:39 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
It's your threat peved me off a while back, and i'll stop

threat?

If you're referring to me saying I would take back the rest of indonesia regardless of whether it is occupied by you or not, that was no threat, that is was what I really would do.

I think you're confused.
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| December 7, 2010, 8:55 pm
Quoting danny morgan
threat?

If you're referring to me saying I would take back the rest of indonesia regardless of whether it is occupied by you or not, that was no threat, that is was what I really would do.

I think you're confused.

Yeeeeeah that's kind of not-very-smart.

By saying that you're saying that you and him will most likely be future enemies. Now he doesn't like you, and can prepare for a war with you.
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| December 7, 2010, 9:26 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Yeeeeeah that's kind of not-very-smart.

By saying that you're saying that you and him will most likely be future enemies. Now he doesn't like you, and can prepare for a war with you.

if he wants to take it personally, fine, but for me this is just a game, and if it benifits me I will go to war. Right now it doesn't. If I were as impulsive as you think I am jake, I would go to war with you now for being rather rud3 to me, but like I said, I don't take this game personally.
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| December 7, 2010, 9:31 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I have a plan if the go to war with each other.

>.>

Yeah it would probably work out pretty well for you huh? ;D
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| December 7, 2010, 9:33 pm
We have identified the terrorist group, as another group that emerged after the Green Sword was destroyed. Another bombing occurred yesterday, but with fewer casualties. We have identified several bases in the Vanuatu Islands area, and if it continues, we will send troops there.
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| December 7, 2010, 9:44 pm
Quoting danny morgan
if he wants to take it personally, fine, but for me this is just a game, and if it benifits me I will go to war. Right now it doesn't. If I were as impulsive as you think I am jake, I would go to war with you now for being rather rud3 to me, but like I said, I don't take this game personally.

Sorry if I came off as rude. I don't think you're impulsive, just blunt. It kinda of seems like you have a "I'm better than you" attitude towards Korea. :S

idk maybe I've spent too much time playing as a third world country.
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| December 7, 2010, 9:44 pm
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To all you American naysayers, I sent THREE DIPLOMATS! I have not sent ANYTHING else, and I don't intend to send anything else! New Jersey would be pretty much economically isolated considering it is completely surrounded by two other countries. Besides, since when is it impossible to have "foreign relations". I suppose that since France doesn't speak English, we shouldn't have any ties with them. Since NATO isn't all American, we should pull out. Since Mexico speaks Spanish, there should not be a NAFTA. Hey, and those dudes in South Korea? Pfft. We could care less about them because they are really far away from us. Obviously.
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| December 7, 2010, 10:10 pm
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Quoting Will G.
No Confederate Marines will come to the aid of the Nords.

The Western Confederation wishes to thank the Confederates (that's going to get confusing fast) for this.

Oh, by the way, what are the specifics of NAFTA?
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| December 7, 2010, 10:12 pm
Well if current projections continue, more and more of the united states population will be Spanish speaking.
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| December 7, 2010, 10:19 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Getting all up in America.


I honestly don't care that you are in New Jersey, because I don't share a land border with it. You can do as you please there.

However, if Brendan tries to pull a fast one on my Canadian Territories I'll fry him.
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| December 7, 2010, 10:19 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton



However, if Brendan tries to pull a fast one on my Canadian Territories I'll fry him.

What's left of Canada. Now that I have Ontario everything should go smoothly.
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| December 7, 2010, 10:22 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
To all you American naysayers, I sent THREE DIPLOMATS! I have not sent ANYTHING else, and I don't intend to send anything else! New Jersey would be pretty much economically isolated considering it is completely surrounded by two other countries. Besides, since when is it impossible to have "foreign relations". I suppose that since France doesn't speak English, we shouldn't have any ties with them. Since NATO isn't all American, we should pull out. Since Mexico speaks Spanish, there should not be a NAFTA. Hey, and those dudes in South Korea? Pfft. We could care less about them because they are really far away from us. Obviously.

America's pretty volatile. It has some of the most war like members in one continent. We'd all rather not have foreigners stirring up more trouble. (not that you will, but there are others who might follow your example)
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| December 7, 2010, 10:26 pm
Quoting danny morgan
threat?

If you're referring to me saying I would take back the rest of indonesia regardless of whether it is occupied by you or not, that was no threat, that is was what I really would do.

I think you're confused.
I think you are, I meant that comment about invading a lot of south asia weather it's occupied or not.

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| December 7, 2010, 10:31 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Finn, I'd not go near saying "GAH NOUCAN HAZ". In my opinion, regionalism is going to be an intense international philosophy in the near future. However, you must realize even in the two Koreas united now, in 2036 you are still going to be hefting an incredible load economically by supporting the almost dark ages north.

Diplomatic annexations take time, and since a few days ago was the first mention of any going at it with the Republic of the Philippines, you're going to need more then two weeks. It takes time to negotiate a merger, and more for it to actually take complete effect. I'll be happy to label the RoP as being integrated with you on the map, but it's going to take time, and I stress that, before your two nations will truly be united.
I never said that. Also, my nations coming together would have happend a while ago

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| December 7, 2010, 10:33 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Western Confederation wishes to thank the Confederates (that's going to get confusing fast) for this.

Oh, by the way, what are the specifics of NAFTA?

No tarrifs on imported goods, etc.
However, a lot of people don't even want to join, so it could just be between you me and that other guy that wanted in.
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| December 7, 2010, 10:56 pm
We expect the North West territories will join the S.U. soon. After all the Japanese are right of their coast,and the PCU is right below them.

Alberta however is proving to be surprisingly independent.
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| December 8, 2010, 8:20 am
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To help aid the New Jersey economy, the UFS will be purchasing oil from the extensive refinery complexes there. In the future, several UFS based companies have expressed interest in refining their oil products there.
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| December 8, 2010, 11:44 am
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Today, 50 Army Rangers landed in Copenhagen, Denmark to start Operation: "Wings Over the Atlantic," the peaceful occupation to make sure Denmark is 'treated fairly.' A Danish honor guard met them, and promptly escorted them to a dozen or so open-topped vehicles which whisked them down the main street for a ticker-tape parade. Thousands thronged them, showering them with gifts. At the end of the route, the mayor presented the ranking officer with the jeweled key to the city. They were put up in a regal castle in the area, awaiting the arrival of the parliament heads when they would discuss long-term plans.

In other news, the AC-130 'Spectre' gunship has arrived in San Jose, as well as the Scorpions and TUSK gear. We'll be ready for them next time. The rest of the fleet rounded the tip of S. America during the night, stopping for three hours to make repairs to one of the freighters. Seems the Western Confederation didn't have updated charts of the area, you can use your imagination...

In addition to increasing grain trade with Kansas (including several multimillion dollar wheat and barely contracts), Saskatchewan has been approached to open trade with as they have just had a rather large surplus in crops this harvest.
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| December 8, 2010, 5:24 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Saskatchewan has been approached to open trade with as they have just had a rather large surplus in crops this harvest.

They recently joined the S.U.


Well sort of anyways. They have yet to be fully integrated, however they have said they will become a member of the S.U. and we are working on integrating them.

You can have the grain contract if you want.
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| December 8, 2010, 5:52 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
They recently joined the S.U.


Well sort of anyways. They have yet to be fully integrated, however they have said they will become a member of the S.U. and we are working on integrating them.

You can have the grain contract if you want.

And someone was complaining about me integrating quickly? What about Alberta? You've got them too, I suppose?
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| December 8, 2010, 5:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And someone was complaining about me integrating quickly? What about Alberta? You've got them too, I suppose?

Well I figured you were right in some ways...

Although I spent more than 24 hours on them and northern Canada is being pressured by Japan.

No, I don't have Alberta. I was goosing to invade them in a few days though.

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| December 8, 2010, 5:57 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, 50 Army Rangers landed in Copenhagen, Denmark to start Operation: "Wings Over the Atlantic," the peaceful occupation to make sure Denmark is 'treated fairly.'

I don't exactly think that Denmark would be too happy that you sent soldiers to their country without their consent. While Matt on the other hand only sent three diplomats.
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| December 8, 2010, 5:58 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Well I figured you were right in some ways...

Although I spent more than 24 hours on them and northern Canada is being pressured by Japan.

No, I don't have Alberta. I was goosing to invade them in a few days though.

Makes sense, I suppose.

Well, then I change my grain contract to Alberta then. And I am hereby opening diplomatic talks with them. They are effectively under Western Confederation protection as of now.

Quoting henry wang
I don't exactly think that Denmark would be too happy that you sent soldiers to their country without their consent. While Matt on the other hand only sent three diplomats.

He can do it = I can do it.

Actually, I'm just there as satire. Once he pulls out, I'm gone. I'm just trying to show how absurd the whole thing is.

Or as Arty C says: You visit us, we visit you.
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| December 8, 2010, 6:00 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
He can do it = I can do it.

Actually, I'm just there as satire. Once he pulls out, I'm gone. I'm just trying to show how absurd the whole thing is.

But the point I'm trying to make here is that Denmark wouldn't accept your sending of 50 trained soldiers to their nation. Since Matt only sent three diplomats there is little correlation that can be made between the two.
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| December 8, 2010, 6:18 pm
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So, apparently diplomats = Rangers? Keep them there. You are making a BFD out of me trying to have standard diplomacy, why should I care if you are sending a foreign military force to a European country for no reason?
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| December 8, 2010, 6:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

You better keep those ships away from me. By San Jose you better not mean Costa Rica or I'll have to kill you. That's my territory boy!
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| December 8, 2010, 6:38 pm
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Quoting henry wang
But the point I'm trying to make here is that Denmark wouldn't accept your sending of 50 trained soldiers to their nation. Since Matt only sent three diplomats there is little correlation that can be made between the two.


Indeed. On that note, I'm sending 3 "diplomats" to the PCU, where they will teach our American friends something they all want to learn. Nick will understand.
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| December 8, 2010, 6:38 pm
Well I imagine those solar fields I started building a while ago are up and running by now.

In other news, we suspect the North West Territories are leaning towards joining the S.U.
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| December 8, 2010, 6:40 pm
We in the CDC are officially condemning the aggressions shown by Ultramarine & Company, and will treat them as an unprovoked act of war against 2 peaceful nations. All Air Defense Divisions (including those in reserve) are now on high Alert. The II Armored Division, the II Marine Infantry Division, the II Light Armored Division, and the II Infantry Division are on 100% alert, and are boarding transport ships. The I Armored Division, the I Infantry Division, the I Mobile Artillery Division, and the I Rocket Artillery Division are on 50% alert, and can be combat ready with 2 days notice. The I and II Fighter Wings are in the air, along with the I Air Recon Wing. They will be patrolling CDC airspace, and will fire (or call for fire) on any foreign aircraft that is does not identify immediately when asked.
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| December 8, 2010, 7:09 pm
Quoting -> avalella
We in the CDC are officially condemning the aggressions shown by Ultramarine & Company, and will treat them as an unprovoked act of war against 2 peaceful nations. All Air Defense Divisions (including those in reserve) are now on high Alert. The II Armored Division, the II Marine Infantry Division, the II Light Armored Division, and the II Infantry Division are on 100% alert, and are boarding transport ships. The I Armored Division, the I Infantry Division, the I Mobile Artillery Division, and the I Rocket Artillery Division are on 50% alert, and can be combat ready with 2 days notice. The I and II Fighter Wings are in the air, along with the I Air Recon Wing. They will be patrolling CDC airspace, and will fire (or call for fire) on any foreign aircraft that is does not identify immediately when asked.

What'd I tell ya? The Americas be dangerous.


Another solar field is being built in Ontario, and plans are being made for a Nuclear reactor in New England.
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| December 8, 2010, 7:19 pm
@Ultra: Stop frakking stealing my claims. I claimed Montana, you step in. I claim Alberta, you step in.

I began talks with them like five days ago, and I see this as unnecessary. We'd like them to leave.
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| December 8, 2010, 7:25 pm
Since we're all making claims, I have claims to all of Canada but, Alberta, Yukon, and that PCU area.
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| December 8, 2010, 7:32 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Since we're all making claims, I have claims to all of Canada but, Alberta, Yukon, and that PCU area.

If you want to be technical about it, Alberta counts as PCU area. It was being integrated like it should be (ahem Finn), when Ultra went all om-nom.
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| December 8, 2010, 7:36 pm
After a thorough search of Missouri and Kentucky we've found the source of the last attack. It's a bunch of crazy ex-military people stocked up with M-60 Patton's and Huey's. At around noon a task force was mobilized to take care of these amateurs, however not all was as it seemed.

They had four F-16's in the air that destroyed
our communications on the ground. We took out one of the F-16's with a UAV in the area and then our planes arrived and made quick work of the other three F-16's.

Our land forces also had a fight on their hands, but with superior armor and air power the battle was over in three hours. The death toll for us was 27, for them, it was 154. That seems to be all of them. We are looking into how they got all of this equipment, and funding.
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| December 8, 2010, 7:52 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
If you want to be technical about it, Alberta counts as PCU area. It was being integrated like it should be (ahem Finn), when Ultra went all om-nom.

okay, I'll stay away.
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| December 8, 2010, 7:53 pm
Us in the Alenian Confederation have sent three diplomats to Kyrghizstan to negotiate a merger-
Oh, wait. Nope. We're the only ones here who admit that what we really want in our foreign affairs is lebensraum. And loot. Mostly the loot.
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| December 8, 2010, 8:35 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, 50 Army Rangers landed in Copenhagen, Denmark to start Operation: "Wings Over the Atlantic," the peaceful occupation to make sure Denmark is 'treated fairly.' A Danish honor guard met them, and promptly escorted them to a dozen or so open-topped vehicles which whisked them down the main street for a ticker-tape parade. Thousands thronged them, showering them with gifts. At the end of the route, the mayor presented the ranking officer with the jeweled key to the city. They were put up in a regal castle in the area, awaiting the arrival of the parliament heads when they would discuss long-term plans.

The Baltic Union looks upon this manuvre in Denmark with Contempt, and warns the powers of America that if we're going to stay in our area of the world, then we're sure as he|| not letting you in.
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| December 8, 2010, 8:57 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, 50 Army Rangers landed in Copenhagen, Denmark to start Operation: "Wings Over the Atlantic," the peaceful occupation to make sure Denmark is 'treated fairly.' A Danish honor guard met them, and promptly escorted them to a dozen or so open-topped vehicles which whisked them down the main street for a ticker-tape parade. Thousands thronged them, showering them with gifts. At the end of the route, the mayor presented the ranking officer with the jeweled key to the city. They were put up in a regal castle in the area, awaiting the arrival of the parliament heads when they would discuss long-term plans.

The Commonwealth believes that this action done by The Western Confederation is very much imperialist and is done in an aggressive and harmful mannor to all of those in Europe. We do not take these actions very kindly, so we will put a small round of political and economic sanctions on The Western Confederation. The UFS also has the full support from The Commonwealth on its protection and advising of the state of New Jersey. It is not only beneficial for the state economically, but it also stabalizeds it.
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| December 8, 2010, 9:09 pm
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As a gesture of good faith, with our trade and airbase usage deals ironed out in Iceland, our diplomats are returning home. We will now let Iceland go on their merry way.
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| December 8, 2010, 9:10 pm
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So much drama up in Ameriland. China will refrain from anything unless asked by our allies.

Update of the day:
-War goes on in the South.
-Negotiations continue. Inner Mongolia is looking promising for re-integration, as long as they keep their autonomous regional status like they have had in the past.
-Production of very scary and confusing machines goes onwards.
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| December 8, 2010, 9:29 pm
With Oklahoma virtually completely secure, pamphlets are being issued around the state showing the many job opportunities within the PCU lands. Many men in the Mexican Territories have applied in the Manufacturing and Architecture Divisions, with men in Oklahoma mainly applying for Agriculture and Military.

With Oklahoma secured, most of the Military there is being transfered to other regions, with over 6,000 PCU Soldiers staying to oversee the training of Oklahoman Guard soldiers. Out of the 56 HAT-1s and 34 HAT-1/Mk-IIs there, only 6 of each remain in the state. The rest have been transfered to Calgary, Alberta to secure it along with 2,000 PCU Soldiers.

Logistical Vehicles like the HMMWV, the MLV-1, and the HEMTT have set out for Calgary to deliver troops and supplies to the city to enforce it against any show of force by the WC.

We do not wish to fight, we only wish to secure our land any way possible.
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| December 8, 2010, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Oh, and in the non-admin, and in-game area, I would like to displace the Federation's severe displeasure at what we precise as the Western Confederation's blatant aggressive act in the beginnings of their military occupation of Denmark.

It's NOT a military occupation, I'm just doing what Matt is. You guys don't like it, do you? But you just want us to roll over and take it.

Quoting Brikkr ™
You better keep those ships away from me. By San Jose you better not mean Costa Rica or I'll have to kill you. That's my territory boy!

Wow, so violent, so quickly. Yeah, that's totally what I meant. After all we all know that the ONLY San Jose in the world is in YOUR territory. Not at all on the BAJA, is it?

Quoting Matt Hacker
So, apparently diplomats = Rangers? Keep them there. You are making a BFD out of me trying to have standard diplomacy, why should I care if you are sending a foreign military force to a European country for no reason?

Pardon my non-intrawebz-ese, but what does BFD mean? Fine, then just consider them 'envoys.'

Quoting henry wang
But the point I'm trying to make here is that Denmark wouldn't accept your sending of 50 trained soldiers to their nation. Since Matt only sent three diplomats there is little correlation that can be made between the two.

50 trained soldiers - weapons = peaceful dudes having a good time.

Quoting Nick Shelton
@Ultra: Stop frakking stealing my claims. I claimed Montana, you step in. I claim Alberta, you step in.

I began talks with them like five days ago, and I see this as unnecessary. We'd like them to leave.

Actually, I did it before you did. Remember the whole conversation with the threats of my underhanded donations to the governor's opponent during the elections being leaked by Wikileaks? Yeah, the whole group had a laugh with that one. It was you who suddenly started saying that you were making claims. I just stepped up the storyline a bit. I started saying that two days after I annexed the Dakotas, which was up to two weeks ago. That's why I said the whole thing about hoping you would "Respect the outcome of the vote?"

This is what happens when you don't read the ICF. Remember in the 21st Cen when I invaded Pakistan after Jack had been doing it for so long?

Very well, my bad, I apparently forgot that you claimed Alberta. I recall that now. On that note, why on earth haven't you taken Nevada? That was in our agreement, you know.
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| December 9, 2010, 12:27 am
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Due to international tensions mounting inexplicably, the 50 unarmed rangers were called home earlier this evening. But the Danes loved them so much that they were determined they not go home empty-handed. Hence, the Danes gave them 2 Flyvefisken-class ships as a parting gift, with the promise that we would return someday in friendship.

It is pointed out that these vessels will be traveling in international waters, and any interception will be considered an act of aggression. Now that I say that, all hades will break loose...

Overall, it was a fun trip for the boys. A welcome vacation and definitely a place to return to.
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| December 9, 2010, 12:35 am
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China laughs at tensions.

Quoting Ultramarine .

Pardon my non-intrawebz-ese, but what does BFD mean? Fine, then just consider them 'envoys.'


BFD= Big freakin deal, amirite?

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| December 9, 2010, 1:00 am
Quoting Jake H.
Sorry if I came off as rude. I don't think you're impulsive, just blunt. It kinda of seems like you have a "I'm better than you" attitude towards Korea. :S

idk maybe I've spent too much time playing as a third world country.

no problem. Yes I can be inflexible when it comes to land, but it's not because he owns Korea, and if you can call Korea a third world country, so is Indonesia. I'm just not letting any potential enemy gain attack leverage over my territory.

And Finn, I must say, I do think the Philipines is a little close for my liking, and could result in possible future conflicts. However, I am perfectly happy to watch you take the top half of the Philipines without aggression.

In other news:

We are selling bulk loads of our finest Coffee from Java and Sumatra to anyone. We highly recommend it.
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| December 9, 2010, 4:21 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Wow, so violent, so quickly. Yeah, that's totally what I meant. After all we all know that the ONLY San Jose in the world is in YOUR territory. Not at all on the BAJA, is it?

Sorry, I wasn't in a good mood. I just realized that just after I posted that. Sorry!
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| December 9, 2010, 7:08 am
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Shocking news out of the sovereign nation of Denmark today.

The President of Denmark is already preparing a statement, but word from our Danish ambassador tells a grave story. It seems that the events claimed by the Western Confederation were far from the truth.

The general impression we are receiving out of their ambassador right now i this: The soldiers sent into Denmark by another nation, completely without warning, and without a clear purpose, caused many heads to turn and quite a bit of confusion within the Danish Government. While these representatives of another nation were treated kindly and with respect, in no way were they lavished upon, as has been claimed by the WC.

Further, the Danish has expressed outrage at the lie that concerns them handing two of their naval ships over, the ambassador was actually quite furious with this particular development, having stated this in anger: "Such an act would be madness! In no way would we compromise our national security so much as to give away two of our vital warships as mere gifts!" The general opinion of the Danish foreign ministry is that of incredulity at the seemingly blatant lies that have been put forth by the WC. "We feel like we have been used, but for what, we don't know.", was a statement used.

As a power of Northern Europe, looking out for our geographical and friendly brethren, we felt obligated to bring this strange turn of events to light.


So, until further notice (depending upon ruling by an Admin), by the power vested in me as a Mod, I declare this "gift" of warships to a foreign nation by the sovereign country of Denmark to be veto'd.
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| December 9, 2010, 8:06 am
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Quoting Thomas N

Wow. Feeling powerful, are we?

Matt negotiates a lucrative oil contract (for free for all we know) with a state which I doubt would appreciate his presence to begin with, but I can't negotiate a couple outdated (by now) naval vessels? Do I sense a disparity in standards here? And what do you care, it's not like they're yours or anything; or for that matter, it's not even your country.

You know, I started out this whole thing as a satirical joke. It has become clear that none of you know how to take that.

I still claim the ships though. Because, it's really your word against mine. I have a little more credibility on the matter because I was actually there...

Oh, on a completely different note, are you open for combat mod? It should only take one report...

Quoting Will G.

Hey, what's your Flickr contact?
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| December 9, 2010, 11:28 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Oh, on a completely different note, are you open for combat mod? It should only take one report...

If you touch my diplomats, your pathetic terrorist state will be destroyed.

The same can be said for any of the fragmented American powers that support state-sponsored terrorism.

I will not argue with Ultra further. He doesnt understand that I support private enterprise, and apparently legimitate business deals are outlawed in the Continent of Anarchy.

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| December 9, 2010, 1:05 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
If you touch my diplomats, your pathetic terrorist state will be destroyed.

The same can be said for any of the fragmented American powers that support state-sponsored terrorism.

I will not argue with Ultra further. He doesnt understand that I support private enterprise, and apparently legimitate business deals are outlawed in the Continent of Anarchy.

It may surprise you to know that if it does come to war, you do not have sufficient force projection to follow up. I outpopulate you, and I have the homefield advantage. Also, if the other American powers weren't too happy with you sending 'diplomats' I wonder how many more would be tolerant of an all-out invasion of the continent?

Oh, and for the other nations with their 'sanctions,' I find that laughable at best; and a waste of time otherwise.
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| December 9, 2010, 3:38 pm
In light of recent events, Spain has been placed on full alert. We strongly oppose the decision of the WC to parade around Denmark and steal ships.
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| December 9, 2010, 4:00 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
If you touch my diplomats, your terrorist state will be destroyed.

The same can be said for any of the fragmented American powers that support state-sponsored terrorism.

I will not argue with Ultra further. He doesnt understand that I support private enterprise, and apparently legimitate business deals are outlawed in the Continent of Anarchy.

Well, my quippy comeback got modded, thanks to your words (for shame, Matt). But suffice it to say that you can't project a force large enough to make it count. You'd have to cross two countries airspaces to get to me, one of whom happens to sympathize with me. If my fellow American powers didn't like the thought of your diplomats coming, how much less a full attack on our continent?

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| December 9, 2010, 4:03 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Wow. Feeling powerful, are we?

Matt negotiates a lucrative oil contract (for free for all we know) with a state which I doubt would appreciate his presence to begin with, but I can't negotiate a couple outdated (by now) naval vessels? Do I sense a disparity in standards here? And what do you care, it's not like they're yours or anything; or for that matter, it's not even your country.

You know, I started out this whole thing as a satirical joke. It has become clear that none of you know how to take that.

I still claim the ships though. Because, it's really your word against mine. I have a little more credibility on the matter because I was actually there...

Oh, on a completely different note, are you open for combat mod? It should only take one report...


Because an oil contract is an economic deal, meant to put money into the state, whereas just going over and claiming some country "just gave us" warships for no good reason is unrealistic.

If you want to buy Danish war vessels, you quite possibly could enter such dealings, but no nation would just give up warships to another for no plausible reason.

It's an unrealistic statement, and therefore I initiated the veto in the name of group realism, which still stands until denied by someone of higher power than me.

So until either Matt, Sponty, Evan or Shock says otherwise, those ships are still sitting in their berths, and your men are flying home from Denmark on whatever air transport brought them in.
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| December 9, 2010, 4:07 pm
I wonder if Anyone really reads these...
-Military on high alert in response of recent events
-Panama Canal updating continues
-Venezuela continues slowly with a one mile advance occasionally just to be pushed back by Venezuelans.
-Plans for 10 LPDs have been layed down.
-Retooling of factories continues at about 50% complete.
-The first F-35 rolled of the production line yesterday and is to be used as a trainer.
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| December 9, 2010, 4:09 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You know, I started out this whole thing as a satirical joke. It has become clear that none of you know how to take that.

In a setting where even satirical jokes must be taken for world events (indeed, as all posts to the ICF must, until they are reviewed), such a statement really has no bearing, as even a joke about how a country "gave" you ships, when it is taken as fact. When, in all reality, no country would just give away such expensive and necessary assets as warships without reason.
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| December 9, 2010, 4:12 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Because an oil contract is an economic deal, meant to put money into the state, whereas just going over and claiming some country "just gave us" warships for no good reason is unrealistic.

If you want to buy Danish war vessels, you quite possibly could enter such dealings, but no nation would just give up warships to another for no plausible reason.

It's an unrealistic statement, and therefore I initiated the veto in the name of group realism, which still stands until denied by someone of higher power than me.

So until either Matt, Sponty, Evan or Shock says otherwise, those ships are still sitting in their berths, and your men are flying home from Denmark on whatever air transport brought them in.

Very well, as a gesture of good faith, $5 million has been wired to the Danish government (about one month's worth of the gold mining assets of the WC) for the purchase of two outdated naval vessels. I don't think it's such a stretch to say that's a fair value, considering the market price for a WWI destroyer during WWII (comparable timeline) was quite a bit less.

Also, as I recall correctly, as it was asserted in the 'ads' for this group was the 'reality' of intermember combat. I have now made two requests for a CM that have gone unanswered. Why? And who will pick up the slack?
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| December 9, 2010, 4:26 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
... who will pick up the slack?

Me! Kidding...
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| December 9, 2010, 4:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Quoting Will G.

Hey, what's your Flickr contact?

TediousDestroyer
What's your's?

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| December 9, 2010, 4:48 pm
The Commonwealth is very much angered and threatened by the actions of the Western Confederation. Plus, how are they magically capable of commandeering two ships with only fifty rangers that are also magically sailors. Our Danish contacts also state that the rangers acted in a very aggressive manner. Which is unacceptable because the WC is being very hypocritical. Their policy is also a threat and danger to us, and our allies. We do not want to go to war with them; so, if they take part in any further aggressive actions further sanctions will be put on them.
We are now pulling our 2 smaller aircraft carriers out of the reserve fleet. All ships will be only used in a defensive role. We will only act aggressively if we or any of our allies are attacked. The production of an additional six cruisers will be produced by multiple countries in light of the situation. The other four that went through sea trials, have passed them with flying colors. They will be immediately put into service, and a ship will escort each carrier except for one. Which will have an additional Type-45 Destroyer escorting it. All of those destroyers have also been upgraded with MULBERY, a system capable of detecting stealth aircraft, missiles, and regular aircraft and bombers. (Pictures of the Cruiser will be posted to my Profile)
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| December 9, 2010, 5:31 pm
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Quoting henry wang
The Commonwealth is very much angered and threatened by the actions of the Western Confederation. Plus, how are they magically capable of commandeering two ships with only fifty rangers that are also magically sailors. Our Danish contacts also state that the rangers acted in a very aggressive manner. Which is unacceptable because the WC is being very hypocritical. Their policy is also a threat and danger to us, and our allies. We do not want to go to war with them; so, if they take part in any further aggressive actions further sanctions will be put on them.
We are now pulling our 2 smaller aircraft carriers out of the reserve fleet. All ships will be only used in a defensive role. We will only act aggressively if we or any of our allies are attacked. The production of an additional six cruisers will be produced by multiple countries in light of the situation. The other four that went through sea trials, have passed them with flying colors. They will be immediately put into service, and a ship will escort each carrier except for one. Which will have an additional Type-45 Destroyer escorting it. All of those destroyers have also been upgraded with MULBERY, a system capable of detecting stealth aircraft, missiles, and regular aircraft and bombers. (Pictures of the Cruiser will be posted to my Profile)

You're funny. Really? You think that I 'Comandeered' them? They are under the Danish flag and under their sail. They will remain that way until they make port in Texas, since they are bought and paid for now. My 50 UNARMED, as I've stated several times, ranger/emissaries flew home last night, they're not on the ships.

I like how you think you can just rewrite what happened based on fictional 'contacts.' Remind me to do that to you sometime.

At least you all know how we in America feel about foreigners, you don't like it, do you?

Oh, and I'd like to see you at least attempt a development phase for that anti-stealth tech, keep it real shall we?
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| December 9, 2010, 5:39 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


You do business with Denmark, just as I do business with New Jersey.

I won't protest this because it is called DIPLOMACY. And on the topic of those boats which you magically claimed- I won't make the determination because obviously my decision would be slanted. I'll let someone else handle this.
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| December 9, 2010, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh, and I'd like to see you at least attempt a development phase for that anti-stealth tech, keep it real shall we?


He has been developing it since day 1, or at least the very first week. More development time would likely be required, but he did spend a sizable amount of time on development.
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| December 9, 2010, 6:08 pm
The South condemns all sanctions placed upon the WC by Europeans. What good will it do?
If any other European nation other than Matt shows aggression towards America then expect an aggressive response.
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| December 9, 2010, 6:17 pm
The first wave of trucks have reached Calgary and unloaded the troops, vehicles, and supplies. The HMMWVs have remained behind for the mechanized infantry, and the remaining logistical vehicles have set back out to British Columbia to pick up more supplies.

In Oklahoma, the first C-5s from Portland have landed carrying HLH-1s and HAH-1s, the two large helicopters specializing in heavy lift and CSAR respectively. They also are carrying the parts necessary to construct artillery and AAA, which may prove useful if Oklahoma is invaded from the South/West/North/East. Pre-Fabricated Barricades and Bunkers are being airlifted tomorrow along with self-propelled artillery to Ardmore, Tulsa, and Guymon to arm the Guard Garrisons there.

In Lawton, Oklahoma, the PCU has cracked into Fort Sill and captured over 20 artillery units. Mainly the M777 was found, but a few units of the M198 were also found.

In Enid, Vance AFB was activated today to teach the PCU pilots how to fly. An Air Wing of MAF-1s and MAF-2s are being transferred there tomorrow to begin training.

In Oklahoma City, Tinker AFB was secured and the large maintenance workshops there are becoming home for the few damaged aircraft from the Air War over Oklahoma.

Not many craft were found here, but a KC-135 was salvaged from disrepair and is currently being fixed in Tinker.

In Altus, Altus AFB was opened as the main hub for commercial and military aircraft for the state. Many C-5s and C-17s were stationed here before the splintering of the United States, but only three of each still remained in the hangars when we arrived there. The rest are presumed stolen and crashed by incompetent farmers, scavenged by surrounding countries, or flown by amateur pilots to Will Rogers Airport as the first components of the Air Force of the Militia in Oklahoma.

On the West Coast of the Mexico, we are building barracks for troops and sea-side homes for the aristocratic people of the PCU, or other countries if they wish to live there.

In Nevada, the copious amounts of AFBs are being scavenged for many parts and planes that are too numerous to count. Mainly the F-22, and the F-35. Sadly, we're probably going to sell off most of them in favor of the MAF-1/MAF-2.

In Portland, the Governor is urging the Western Confederation and the CSS not to attack Oklahoma, as this will only cause a larger negative outlook on them seeing as how the first just strolled in and grabbed two submarines from a country (I'd do it too, but that's just me), and the latter is a lightning rod for bad things. Just saying.
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| December 9, 2010, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
In Portland, the Governor is urging the Western Confederation and the CSS not to attack Oklahoma, as this will only cause a larger negative outlook on them seeing as how the first just strolled in and grabbed two submarines from a country (I'd do it too, but that's just me), and the latter is a lightning rod for bad things. Just saying.

Actually, they're destroyer/battleships, and I bought them. And why would I want to attack someone I consider to be an ally (You)?
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| December 9, 2010, 6:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Actually, they're destroyer/battleships, and I bought them. And why would I want to attack someone I consider to be an ally (You)?

Because I saw you ask Will for his Flickr address, presumably for an Flickr Mail. Flickr Mails are for planning attacks and such. You said you need a Combat Mod to take something out in only one report.

Oklahoma could be taken down in one report, so could Calgary. I was just being hyper paranoid like I always am.
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| December 9, 2010, 6:27 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

I'll CM whatever you need done.
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| December 9, 2010, 6:36 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Oklahoma could be taken down in one report, so could Calgary. I was just being hyper paranoid like I always am.

Same here, with my Canada territories. Want to sign a non-aggression pact?
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| December 9, 2010, 6:50 pm
Quoting henry wang
All of those destroyers have also been upgraded with MULBERY, a system capable of detecting stealth aircraft, missiles, and regular aircraft and bombers. (Pictures of the Cruiser will be posted to my Profile)

Please explain how this works. Otherwise, you might find it useless in CMs
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| December 9, 2010, 6:54 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Same here, with my Canada territories. Want to sign a non-aggression pact?

Why not.
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| December 9, 2010, 6:58 pm
Our defense forces will be put on high alert until told otherwise. That means that we will have radar and air defense ready for any attack against England. We will be sending a majority of the fleet out to sea, and they will set up air defense pickets in Commonwealth waters in case of an attack by air. Finally we will also begin sending Nimrod sub hunting aircraft into the North Atlantic to try to stop any would be attempts at entering either the Norwegian or North Sea and harming us or our European Allies. We will not fire upon any ship unless fired at first, and we will not fire at any sub until it enters Commonwealth waters.
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| December 9, 2010, 6:59 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Please explain how this works. Otherwise, you might find it useless in CMs

I will explain it to a mod if I were to use it when I enter combat. Otherwise it will remain classified.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:00 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Ultramarine .


You do business with Denmark, just as I do business with New Jersey.


Carp.


Well if ultra's gonna do it so am I.

a group of diplomats have been sent to Denmark to obtain five tψren (P555)
Flyvefisken-class.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:00 pm
Quoting henry wang
I will explain it to a mod if I were to use it when I enter combat. Otherwise it will remain classified.

If it's that ion thinga maboby Jack's found a few loopholes in it.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Carp.


Well if ultra's gonna do it so am I.

a group of diplomats have been sent to Denmark to obtain five tψren (P555)
Flyvefisken-class.


I hope that you enjoy the discussions that are bound to happen by American powers coming to simply buy up their entire navy.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:10 pm
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The Russian Federation has sent its own set of diplomats to Denmark for purposes separate than those of the West. Our diplomats shall be flown in tonight to get the Danish government to bar sells to foreign nations at this time. Granted both the European and American communities are in an uproar, retaining any military resources (no matter the age) is of the utmost importance to its defense doctrine. Granted Denmark isn't all that rich in easily obtainable resources, being able to have the vessels, or any items whatsoever, in stock and ready to be recycled will reduce the strain on the nation as a whole.

In other news, the War in Chechnya goes a bit better than before with quite a few miles of territory regained. The attacks on Kamyshev continues with a deep-rooted urban combat scene going on; many casualties, both human and material, have been sustained on either sides. We hope to have roughly 60% of the city secured by middle of next week, in which case this will allow us to continue pressing through the area instead of around it.

Likewise, the airborne drop upon Achkoy-Martan have been able to boast some success. Many high-value targets (COs, built defenses, mobile defenses, communications, caches, etc.) were neutralized with a relatively low casualty rate. Still, guerrilla tactics have taken their toll already. RPGs, IEDs, and sporadic firefights have a number of boys to field hospitals with an array of injuries. Presently, the fear is losing this foothold to the radical forces via an enemy encirclement. This fear is irrational granted many prompts have been intercepted stating that Chechnyan rebels plan to press west towards the Assa River.

A bit north, ground forces have made a large trek just a few dozen miles short of Nadterechnaya. Said area will be the midpoint for a western three-prong assault to press towards Grozny. Early tomorrow morning, the city will be lit up with targets to be eliminated by CAS and ground-based medium armour. More on this later.

Also, the Russian Federation is interested in signing a non-aggression act with the PCU along with a minute economic pact meant to reduce duties between any traded goods that may venture between our markets.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:21 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Also, the Russian Federation is interested in signing a non-aggression act with the PCU along with a minute economic pact meant to reduce duties between any traded goods that may venture between our markets.


We'll agree to this.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:43 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I hope that you enjoy the discussions that are bound to happen by American powers coming to simply buy up their entire navy.

Well, I'm just a little upset by your and Ultra's carp fight. Mainly because it doesn't really effect either of you as much as it effects me.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:52 pm
The PCU has launched the HGS John Hood, the main ship of the Governator class of Aircraft Carriers today in a lavish ceremony, with the Governor himself in attendance.

It will now enter a week long sea trial during which the Admiral will perform ASW, Anti-Air Defense, Deck Fires, Internal Fires, and Hull Breaches. We expect it to fully enter the Navy as a combat vessel on December 20, 2036.

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| December 9, 2010, 8:07 pm
In the CDC, all military units on 49% alert or lower will be participating on large scale amphibious assault and air defense exercises. The CNS Subesar is departing for a classified mission in the pacific. It is fully loaded for bear, and will traveling through the Panama Canal (free of charge). It has orders to maintain complete radio silence. We would also like to reassure the world that the CDC is NOT at war.
In other news, several joint stock companies have been formed around the newly opened drilling industry in the Gulf. All of these companies have met proper environmental regulations, and are fully prepared to deal with spills of large magnitude. Currently, most of the crude oil is being refined in other countries, however we are encouraging entrepreneurs to set up refineries within the CDC.
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| December 9, 2010, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Will G.
TediousDestroyer
What's your's?

Ultramarine. I try to keep it simple.

Well, here goes another round:
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous

I'll CM whatever you need done.

Yay! Thank you!

Quoting Nick Shelton
Because I saw you ask Will for his Flickr address, presumably for an Flickr Mail. Flickr Mails are for planning attacks and such. You said you need a Combat Mod to take something out in only one report.

Oklahoma could be taken down in one report, so could Calgary. I was just being hyper paranoid like I always am.

No, it has to do with what I FM'd you about.


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| December 9, 2010, 9:40 pm
The CSS is very angry with the sudden turn of hostilities. The military council has unanimously voted to put the air-force on South-Def 2, which will lead to increased radar surveillance, double the fighter patrol, combat troops ready to fight at the dial of a phone and Navy ready to ship out and unleash a salvo of anti-ship missiles at anything not American entering our waters.
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| December 9, 2010, 10:08 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Because I saw you ask Will for his Flickr address, presumably for an Flickr Mail. Flickr Mails are for planning attacks and such. You said you need a Combat Mod to take something out in only one report.

Oklahoma could be taken down in one report, so could Calgary. I was just being hyper paranoid like I always am.

I'm not going to attack you this early on.
:P
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| December 9, 2010, 10:12 pm
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The UFS military will not be increasing readiness levels currently. All exercises will continue at normal pace. Normal diplomatic functions will continue globally (yes, including New Jersey). The diplomats there have been will remain their indefinately, however these diplomats will soon be taking the role of UFS ambassadors.

The only preparations we are making involve the NDV Allegiance. The Allegiance will be pulled out of the naval combat drills and will be loaded with a full compliment of weaponry, and head to an undisclosed location.
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| December 9, 2010, 10:15 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
The UFS military will not be increasing readiness levels currently. All exercises will continue at normal pace. Normal diplomatic functions will continue globally (yes, including New Jersey). The diplomats there have been will remain their indefinately, however these diplomats will soon be taking the role of UFS ambassadors.

The only preparations we are making involve the NDV Allegiance. The Allegiance will be pulled out of the naval combat drills and will be loaded with a full compliment of weaponry, and head to an undisclosed location.

coughnewjerseycough
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| December 9, 2010, 10:20 pm
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Quoting Will G.
coughnewjerseycough


???
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| December 9, 2010, 10:21 pm
The PCU urges the European and American countries to cease their bickering and try to broker a deal.

If push comes to shove, we're staying out of this pointless battle unless we are attacked.
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| December 9, 2010, 10:22 pm
Unlike Finland, Spain knows the gravity of the situation, and has put one division of Spanish Legion, our most elite soldiers, on emergency response level. Our remaining carrier(Not the conquistador) has been pulled from overseeing Cape Verde back up north, and air patrols have slightly increased.
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| December 9, 2010, 10:37 pm
@ Will G.
My, actually your aircraft carrier won't be shot at though, it'll be at N'orleans tomorrow.
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| December 9, 2010, 10:41 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Unlike Finland, Spain knows the gravity of the situation, and has put one division of Spanish Legion, our most elite soldiers, on emergency response level. Our remaining carrier(Not the conquistador) has been pulled from overseeing Cape Verde back up north, and air patrols have slightly increased.


Oh I know how real the situation is. However, I am trying to keep things to a minimum provocation level. However, considering that the majority of my armed forces are already deployed (in large scale training exercises), I could mobilize them within a day. However, considering the fact that there is virtually no way for Ultra to even get to Europe in force, a mass mobilization would be useless, and overreacting anyway.

However, my 5 Type-4s are still prowling the seas, and set their combat alert to Stage 3 (hostilities likely, but not certain).
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| December 9, 2010, 10:42 pm
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@ Matt: Well, that's sensible. And good news, for me.

The carrier (henceforth called CV-1 WCS Denver) has shown up off the eastern coast of North America with its escorts. No doubt it is plainly on the Scandinavian fleet's long-range radar. We are taking this opportunity to give the diplomats precisely 24 hours to pack up and get out or face the consequences. Personally, I'd love for you to stick around... But that's just me.

The dually-paid for Danish vessels have swung a southerly course to clear the area, they are about four days out still. This detour will cost them another day.
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| December 9, 2010, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
I wonder if Anyone really reads these...


I read EVERYTHING. Unlike half the people on here, it seems.

>.>

In China:
-The Court it having epic lulz about these events in Denmark. The little Westerners should be less uppity. /wishes MOCpages had a strike feature so I could pretend I didn't call all the West barbarians.
-War goes on. Jiangxi is some of the thickest fighting, though air strikes to outlying regions have progressed us further. We're expecting breakthrough by the weekend, and in the following days on other fronts while we flank them.
-Production goes on. Exact numbers to be supplied at a later date.
-Inner Mongolia is poised for re-integration as a special autonomous region. Any former Chinese provinces that held this status will also get it back when we take them over again. Just putting it out there.
-Taiwan is being slow.
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| December 10, 2010, 1:14 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Any former Chinese provinces that held this status will also get it back when we take them over again. Just putting it out there.

Exactly how much of the former PRC are you planning to reclaim, anyway?
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| December 10, 2010, 2:01 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Exactly how much of the former PRC are you planning to reclaim, anyway?


I'll leave that up in the air.
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| December 10, 2010, 2:07 am
After some careful consideration with my top advisers, I have decided, er, how do I put this, spread propagander to the southern isles of the Philipines against the UKS. Finn it seems has decided to act agressively to the IU, and we are not going to just sit here and wait like sitting ducks. Troops will be arriving at the Southern Philipines tomorrow, and simply hang around there, being friendly to the civs, getting some people on our side. If Finn does go ahead with his plans for the Philipines, it will help us if the civilians are on our side.

Consider this NOWHERE near an invasion of the Philipines on my part, just careful persuasion to get the Philipines on our side.
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| December 10, 2010, 2:55 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
@ Matt: Well, that's sensible. And good news, for me.

The carrier (henceforth called CV-1 WCS Denver) has shown up off the eastern coast of North America with its escorts. No doubt it is plainly on the Scandinavian fleet's long-range radar. We are taking this opportunity to give the diplomats precisely 24 hours to pack up and get out or face the consequences. Personally, I'd love for you to stick around... But that's just me.

The dually-paid for Danish vessels have swung a southerly course to clear the area, they are about four days out still. This detour will cost them another day.


Well, I wish my Ambassadors "Godspeed"
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| December 10, 2010, 6:44 am
The aircraft carrier ordered by the south was delivered this morning and after some partying and hand-shaking my sailors left back to Brazil. Somehow. I don't even know how they got back. Well, this ship is under Southern jurisdiction now. Have Fun.
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| December 10, 2010, 7:47 am
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Quoting Jake H.
Carp.


Well if ultra's gonna do it so am I.

a group of diplomats have been sent to Denmark to obtain five tψren (P555)
Flyvefisken-class.

no no no. This is exactly what I didn't want happening.

Just because these other countries don't have representatives in he group, doesn't mean they can just be a source for ships and whatever else you guys want to mooch off of them because they can't object.

Ultra did it, and now people are going to follow his lead.

Now more random "purchasing" of ships from a country which can't object because it isn't represented in the group. Build up your armed forces in more honest ways.
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| December 10, 2010, 8:00 am
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The Russian Federation has sent its own set of diplomats to Denmark for purposes separate than those of the West. Our diplomats shall be flown in tonight to get the Danish government to bar sells to foreign nations at this time. Granted both the European and American communities are in an uproar, retaining any military resources (no matter the age) is of the utmost importance to its defense doctrine. Granted Denmark isn't all that rich in easily obtainable resources, being able to have the vessels, or any items whatsoever, in stock and ready to be recycled will reduce the strain on the nation as a whole.

The Baltic Union ambassador, and our other diplomats working with our good friends the Danes, have already encouraged them to do so.


I'd also like to point out something. The Patrol Vessel Flyvefisken class (not a cruiser or a battleship Ultra,) is a product of Denmark. Denmark only has ten ofthem. If Ultra's comments about purchasing them are correct, then they only have 8. So, Jake coming in and knocking that total down to 3 won't be happening.

I am pushing for this, this is a matter which greatly concerns me. I want to put forth this motion: You can do economic trading with any country you like, but from now on, I want to put forth a motion that requires all militarily trading (with ships, planes, etc.) to be with another group member. No more of this purchasing ships from a non-member country, just because they cannot object. No more.
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| December 10, 2010, 8:10 am
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The UFS is still looking for a diplomatic solution that pleases both parties. However, I fear that Ultra will disagree. Moving ambassadors that are doing their job because an isolationist country wants them to is unacceptable, and we will not bow to foreign pressure. That being said, the ambassadors have been given the choice of staying or coming home. All three elected to stay.
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| December 10, 2010, 9:01 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
The UFS is still looking for a diplomatic solution that pleases both parties. However, I fear that Ultra will disagree. Moving ambassadors that are doing their job because an isolationist country wants them to is unacceptable, and we will not bow to foreign pressure. That being said, the ambassadors have been given the choice of staying or coming home. All three elected to stay.

You are making them look angelic, aren't you? This whole situation could have been resolved in the first place.

Maybe we should say something about securing natural resources from a non-member countries as well as no arms deals?

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| December 10, 2010, 9:37 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You are making them look angelic, aren't you? This whole situation could have been resolved in the first place.

Maybe we should say something about securing natural resources from a non-member countries as well as no arms deals?


Clearly, you do not understand what is going on. I am NOT buying oil or anything from New Jersey, I am paying them to refine my own oil there. I get my refined oil products, they get money.

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| December 10, 2010, 9:41 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Clearly, you do not understand what is going on. I am NOT buying oil or anything from New Jersey, I am paying them to refine my own oil there. I get my refined oil products, they get money.

Let me get this straight. You're mining oil, shipping it all the way across the Atlantic, refining it and shipping it all the way back? And that is logistically possible how?

Otherwise, I don't care. You're a European in N. America. That's as far as my reasoning goes.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:15 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Otherwise, I don't care. You're a European in N. America. That's as far as my reasoning goes.

I have been in North America since the begining of this group; yet, you haven't made any mention to that.

Cuba and I have spoken together, and we will be sending over radar and air defense to defend the Carribean against any American agression. Another 10 F-35 will be sent to Cuba as well. All Commonwealth Colonies in North America are now on high alert. There will be patrols 24/7 and all trained soldiers are being mobilized and put on 100% alert. In Britain all soldiers, aircraft, ships, and vehicles will be put on very high alert. If need be they will be ready to fight in 1 day. There will also be CAP missions done from every airfield and aircraft carriers. Radar will also be put on 100% alert.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:23 am
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Quoting henry wang
I have been in North America since the begining of this group; yet, you haven't made any mention to that.

Cuba and I have spoken together, and we will be sending over radar and air defense to defend the Carribean against any American agression. Another 10 F-35 will be sent to Cuba as well. All Commonwealth Colonies in North America are now on high alert. There will be patrols 24/7 and all trained soldiers are being mobilized and put on 100% alert. In Britain all soldiers, aircraft, ships, and vehicles will be put on very high alert. If need be they will be ready to fight in 1 day. There will also be CAP missions done from every airfield and aircraft carriers. Radar will also be put on 100% alert.

There's the Western Hemisphere, and there's the North American continent. I'm so happy for you and Cuba, considering I have no plans against you. It makes me have a warm fuzzy that you feel secure with your, what was it? Ah, yes "New found bravado".

Just don't plan on building missile silos there, or else I'll have to go Kennedy on you...
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| December 10, 2010, 1:08 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Otherwise, I don't care. You're a European in N. America. That's as far as my reasoning goes.

So, let me get this straight. Ultra, you don't want any Europeans in America?

So I could send three ambassadors to your country, in the hopes of good relations, and you'd turn them away?

The thing I don't understand is this: Matt isn't doing anything in New Jersey except putting money into the state, which he is obviously fond for because it is his home state.

It's a lot like me asking you to annex Minnesota (My home state) for the express purpose of bringing it into a stable country, so that it wouldn't be left out in the cold, so to speak.

Matt is simply looking out for his home state, and I'm sure he would be more than happy if Jake, or John annexed the state so that it would get economic benefits that he wouldn't have to provide.

The point is, Matt has expressly stated that he doesn't want to annex new Jersey, only to pursue economic help in the ways he has outlined.
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| December 10, 2010, 3:57 pm
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Since it seems that Ultra is unwilling to allow peaceful diplomacy occur, I will slightly update my readiness plans.

The majority of the fleet will remain to finish up the naval exercises with the Russians and BU, while, as previously stated, the Allegiance will be up in international waters North of the UK.
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| December 10, 2010, 4:33 pm
Another terrorist attack has been occurred in Canberra, and now a plan for sending troops to the Vanuatu Islands is being created. Once on Vanuatu, we will try to reach strongpoints of the terrorist group and annihilate them.
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| December 10, 2010, 5:03 pm
Yo yo yo!
I like Ultramarine and I like Matt and I like pizza and LEGO, but I don't like war in North America.
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| December 10, 2010, 5:17 pm
Quoting Thomas N
no no no. This is exactly what I didn't want happening.

Just because these other countries don't have representatives in he group, doesn't mean they can just be a source for ships and whatever else you guys want to mooch off of them because they can't object.

Ultra did it, and now people are going to follow his lead.

Now more random "purchasing" of ships from a country which can't object because it isn't represented in the group. Build up your armed forces in more honest ways.

The only reason I'M doing is because if I have MY national security threatened by THEIR carp fight I'm going to get something out of it.

The diplomats managed to obtain three of the five ships before the Russians arrived.
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| December 10, 2010, 6:27 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
The only reason I'M doing is because if I have MY national security threatened by THEIR carp fight I'm going to get something out of it.

The diplomats managed to obtain three of the five ships before the Russians arrived.

I'm sorry, but do you control Denmark? No. Does anyone else? No.

Until someone controls Denmark, you can't buy Danish ships. Neither can anyone else.

Go get ships for your Navy from either a member, or make them yourself. I'm sick and tired of watching Denmark, a country right to my north and a friend, get exploited by members who just want ships, and take them because Denmark isn't controlled in the group.

Those three ships are still in their docks, under Danish control.
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| December 10, 2010, 6:45 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
The only reason I'M doing is because if I have MY national security threatened by THEIR carp fight I'm going to get something out of it.

You're national security wasn't threatened. Matt sent Diplomats to put money into his home state. Ultramarine thought 3 men in suits constituted an invasion of America. They got into an extended argument because of their inflated egos.

You were never involved, and you have no right to go stripping a foreign country of its navy to suit your needs.


In fact...

Denmark is being placed under the official protection of the Baltic Union, we are tired of seeing them taken advantage of, for no reason other than their proximity to the UFS.

From this point on, anyone trying to attack Denmark will have to face me. Anyone trying to integrate Denmark (besides the UFS, who are free to do so under their policy of uniting Scandinavia) They will face a similar fate.

No more Danish ships (or any other non-member nation's ships, for that matter) are to be considered open to purchase by anyone.
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| December 10, 2010, 6:55 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You're national security wasn't threatened. Matt sent Diplomats to put money into his home state. Ultramarine thought 3 men in suits constituted an invasion of America. They got into an extended argument because of their inflated egos.

You were never involved, and you have no right to go stripping a foreign country of its navy to suit your needs.


In fact...

Denmark is being placed under the official protection of the Baltic Union, we are tired of seeing them taken advantage of, for no reason other than their proximity to the UFS.

From this point on, anyone trying to attack Denmark will have to face me. Anyone trying to integrate Denmark (besides the UFS, who are free to do so under their policy of uniting Scandinavia) They will face a similar fate.

No more Danish ships (or any other non-member nation's ships, for that matter) are to be considered open to purchase by anyone.

Buuuut he did, kind of put a big GTFO sign over NJ, by protecting them. Keeping John and I out of NJ.
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| December 10, 2010, 7:15 pm
Meanwhile, as the Atlantic cools down, the Pacific heats up....

Spain would like to yet again support Korea in it's actions. Those Indonesians are too troublesome.
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| December 10, 2010, 7:34 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Buuuut he did, kind of put a big GTFO sign over NJ, by protecting them. Keeping John and I out of NJ.


/facepalm. I have made it clear many times that I would not protest anyone bordering the state from taking it. In fact, it would help relieve some headaches right now. Heck, I could care less if whoever controlled it denied the refinery use. I'm tired of defending myself from people accusing me of being expansionist/ somehow preserving New Jersey. The only problem is that people in N. America think that NJ should be neutral for no reason in particular, so the likelihood that the situation being solved this was is minimal. In the mean time I will continue doing business with them, much as all countries and companies do worldwide.

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| December 10, 2010, 8:37 pm
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I don't see how a nation was able to procure several vessels in under a day's time. Arms sells take several days minimum to pass through all of the federal branches needed for the stamp of approval. I'm pretty much with Tom on the ships still in their docks.

Regardless, any other nations attempting to gain arms from the neutral European community shall be barred by means of diplomatic and military intervention. The latter of course meaning a blockade if necessary.
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| December 10, 2010, 8:42 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

/facepalm. I have made it clear many times that I would not protest anyone bordering the state from taking it. In fact, it would help relieve some headaches right now. Heck, I could care less if whoever controlled it denied the refinery use. I'm tired of defending myself from people accusing me of being expansionist/ somehow preserving New Jersey. The only problem is that people in N. America think that NJ should be neutral for no reason in particular, so the likelihood that the situation being solved this was is minimal. In the mean time I will continue doing business with them, much as all countries and companies do worldwide.

Ah, okay then. Imma go ahead and take NJ.

The New England military is being mobilized and will be moved into NJ as soon as possible.
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| December 10, 2010, 9:08 pm
Calgary is fully secured. PCU soldiers are now moving out to secure the outlying suburbs. Supported by a large air presence in the form of the MAF-1 Kestrel and the MAF-2 Dove and heavy artillery stationed in the city are keeping any resistance locked down.

A convoy of trucks that transported supplies to Calgary left the city today to drive across Canada to Newfoundland. A portion of the land and coastline were selected as the Base of Operations for the PCU Atlantic Fleet. A shipbuilding facility will be built there as well as dry-docks, airfields, and barracks to sustain the large amount of sailors and naval airmen expected to be transferred there once it is ready to take on troops in February.


In the Pacific Ocean today, a MAF-2 Dove was simulating an air-to-air combat mission against an aging F-16 when they collided. The pilot of the F-16 ejected, but the pilot of the Dove was not so lucky. The wreckage from both planes landed on the deck of the John Hood, and fires were quickly extinguished by the firefighting sailors on board the ship that were about to begin a fire exercise. No word on if this was staged or not out of Portland.

In Nevada and Oklahoma, the new Governor has been selected by the PCU for a two year term. The PCU flag was raised above the capital, with artillery shells bursting out in fields punctuating the event.

In Mexico, the PCU Marines have selected an area on Baja California as their new training site, and main base of operations. We eagerly await for the first training exercises to begin.


In international news, the PCU is requesting that China partake in a training exercise involving air-to-air combat and beach landings due to begin January 16th. A location has yet to be selected, but the Cabinet is debating on it.





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| December 10, 2010, 9:23 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
So I could send three ambassadors to your country, in the hopes of good relations, and you'd turn them away?

The thing I don't understand is this: Matt isn't doing anything in New Jersey except putting money into the state, which he is obviously fond for because it is his home state.

It's a lot like me asking you to annex Minnesota (My home state) for the express purpose of bringing it into a stable country, so that it wouldn't be left out in the cold, so to speak.

Matt is simply looking out for his home state, and I'm sure he would be more than happy if Jake, or John annexed the state so that it would get economic benefits that he wouldn't have to provide.

The point is, Matt has expressly stated that he doesn't want to annex new Jersey, only to pursue economic help in the ways he has outlined.

Yes, I would, actually. I prefer to handle things like we did in the old group, we even had our militaries stationed together, but we didn't have diplomats. For all we know in 20 years, we'll have 3D holographic communications, the notion of diplomats is outdated. It's hard to explain, but I consider diplomats an intrusion on my sovereignty.

And I thank you for your trust in my abilities to look after your home state, you won't be sorry. But Matt should have followed a similar model, by asking another country to annex it instead of making this whole mess. I keep reminding you all that I wasn't the only one that didn't like the notion, I was but the only one willing to do something about it. Naturally, that means I take the fall, but I have big shoulders.

Apparently a 'Terrorist' state such as myself listens to reason (or the rattling of sabers) with a more attune ear than he does.


Quoting Matt Hacker
Sorry for the double post, but I have determined the solution. My diplomats will be returning home, but we have left with decent ties. We will still be utilizing the refineries through standard business deals. We have also supplied NJ with a "hot phone" to directly call the UFS Prime Minister.

We regret that some people lost their heads about this and that NJ faced imminent foreign invasion, but this will diffuse the situation with both sides being happy.

Now, see? Was that so hard?

Foreign invasion? I was thinking about a commando raid at max, in and out. I don't want New Jersey either, believe it or not...
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| December 10, 2010, 9:41 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .



Oh and I decided to redact my diplomat movements since it wont matter anyway (as long as Jake. H is OK with setting up my embassy to his country there).
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| December 10, 2010, 9:46 pm
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You'll have to excuse me, now, for the double post. The merchant fleet has arrived off our slice of the Baja Peninsula. The cartels have been quiet for a couple days now, that sound beating they took might have caused them to reconsider. We're keeping a weather eye on them, we expect them to come back sometime soon. 100 more marines were offloaded, just in case. Supplies have been coming off the ships all day, heavy machinery and lots of tools were all on the manifest. After the loads were unloaded, two helicopters were loaded up on each freighter (two freighters). They were carried there by the C-130s a couple days ago. The fleet then made sail for the central Pacific to a classified destination.

Earlier this week, a shocking discovery was decoded from a database in NORAD. It was a series of theoretical equations on parallel lines with our Secret Project Research, speeding it up by leaps and bounds. Though it will be a never-ending research project.

A civilian science vessel, specialized in underwater excavation, has put out to sea for the Pacific. We are asking for passage through the Panama Canal as the vessel is alone and is not military in origin.

The Western Confederation and the Atlantic Union have entered talks of a diplomatic agreement, which will grow our relations considerably, since we will eventually share a border.
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| December 10, 2010, 10:25 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
A convoy of trucks that transported supplies to Calgary left the city today to drive across Canada to Newfoundland. A portion of the land and coastline were selected as the Base of Operations for the PCU Atlantic Fleet. A shipbuilding facility will be built there as well as dry-docks, airfields, and barracks to sustain the large amount of sailors and naval airmen expected to be transferred there once it is ready to take on troops in February.


I'm pretty sure Newfoundland already belongs to Jake H., unless he gave you the go-ahead.
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| December 10, 2010, 10:29 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker


Oh and I decided to redact my diplomat movements since it wont matter anyway (as long as Jake. H is OK with setting up my embassy to his country there).

I'm fine with it.
Quoting Ultramarine .
If he was smart, he'd seize all your oil

I plan on charging a small fee on all exported oil.
Quoting Thomas N
I'm pretty sure Newfoundland already belongs to Jake H., unless he gave you the go-ahead.

He has the go ahead.

Here's a list of all my territory.
NYC, Mass, Maine, CT, RI, NH, VT, NJ (Claim only, I'm invading it soon), North Eastern Territories, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador, Manitoba (They've signed a contract, and I currently being integrated), Saskatchewan (same as Manitoba), and Nunavut (same as Saskatchewan and Manitoba).
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| December 10, 2010, 10:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
A civilian science vessel, specialized in underwater excavation, has put out to sea for the Pacific. We are asking for passage through the Panama Canal as the vessel is alone and is not military in origin.

It can go through. Although it will have to comply with construction times. Have fun.
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| December 10, 2010, 10:44 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I'm pretty sure Newfoundland already belongs to Jake H., unless he gave you the go-ahead.

Go ahead was given.
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| December 10, 2010, 10:49 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
It can go through. Although it will have to comply with construction times. Have fun.

Thank you, but what is the 'construction time'?
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| December 10, 2010, 10:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Thank you, but what is the 'construction time'?

Eleven to Five. The canal is being updated to carry larger vessels.

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| December 10, 2010, 10:55 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Eleven to Five. The canal is being updated to carry larger vessels.

You should charge a fee, on all non-local vessels using the canal.
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| December 10, 2010, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Eleven to Five. The canal is being updated to carry larger vessels.

I see. It will be there in two days.

Quoting Jake H.
You should charge a fee, on all non-local vessels using the canal.

Gee, you're a pal, aren't you?
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| December 10, 2010, 11:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I see. It will be there in two days.

Quoting Jake H.
You should charge a fee, on all non-local vessels using the canal.

Gee, you're a pal, aren't you?

Hehehehe


Well I AM...to Brikkr. I just think it would be a good way to get some easy money. Something like 5$-10$ Based on the vessels weight and size.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
You should charge a fee, on all non-local vessels using the canal.

He has already agreed not to hamper international trade. Charging money would be wrong.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
He has already agreed not to hamper international trade. Charging money would be wrong.

Yay! Reason.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:05 pm
Quoting Thomas N
He has already agreed not to hamper international trade. Charging money would be wrong.

Even just 5-10$? That would cover the cost of upgrading it, probably boosting international trade. He would also be able to keep it debris free, and in good working order.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:06 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Even just 5-10$? That would cover the cost of upgrading it, probably boosting international trade. He would also be able to keep it debris free, and in good working order.

Go look at Panama today, do they charge? if so, then he is green-lighted to charge as much as Panama today charges. If they don't charge, then he can't.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:09 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Even just 5-10$? That would cover the cost of upgrading it, probably boosting international trade. He would also be able to keep it debris free, and in good working order.

Well, if someone wanted to ship thousands of tonnes through it, that would rack it up pretty quick...
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| December 10, 2010, 11:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, if someone wanted to ship thousands of tonnes through it, that would rack it up pretty quick...

http://www.panamacanaltransits.com/fees.html
It's pretty much done by feet. Actually...I think I was being pretty cheap, imagine paying for an oil tanker.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:11 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
http://www.panamacanaltransits.com/fees.html
It's pretty much done by feet. Actually...I think I was being pretty cheap, imagine paying for an oil tanker.

He didn't mention any fees. So I go for free this time at least.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
He didn't mention any fees. So I go for free this time at least.

jaja

I wasn't trying to make you pay all these fee's. I was just suggesting a money-making idea, for the future.
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| December 10, 2010, 11:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
He didn't mention any fees. So I go for free this time at least.

Technically since this is a research vessel I believe it shall go free. I believe in science :P
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| December 10, 2010, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Technically since this is a research vessel I believe it shall go free. I believe in science :P

Thank you. I'm an engineer, so I have to agree...
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| December 10, 2010, 11:20 pm
Since we all love science, who wants to help the SU, build a plasma engine?


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| December 10, 2010, 11:24 pm
Here's how I'll calculate transit cost for non-research vehicles:
1.50 * Length, however warships will have a 7.50% tax. Sounds fair?
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| December 10, 2010, 11:36 pm
Quoting Thomas N
He has already agreed not to hamper international trade. Charging money would be wrong.


You're the one who's rong. R O N G.


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| December 10, 2010, 11:41 pm
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One bit of news I forgot to mention earlier. The former Essex-class USS Lexington (The Blue Ghost) has been tugged into the dry docks at Corpus Christi (I forgot where I said I was building the port works and that rings a bell, if anyone knows any different, speak now or forever hold your peace.) It will be refitted into a nuclear carrier and capable of carrying modern aircraft. The process should take only a few months, since it has been used in exercises not too long ago, and kept in good repair. It will be equipped with missile AA and a newer catapult system. She has a respectable capacity of 110 aircraft, making her quite a prize. It will be rechristened the WCS Lexington.

The air superiority fighter has entered mass production, on the necessarily small scale. It is quite impressive, having a 15% smaller radar profile than an F-22, making it rather desirable.

Quoting Jake H.
Since we all love science, who wants to help the SU, build a plasma engine?

Any military applications?


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| December 10, 2010, 11:52 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Any military applications?

The runway is wood and concrete, and it's rotting. They're also currently blocking off parts of the deck. There is no way, unless you completely gutted it and refinished it, would be able to make it work. I think it's cemented into the harbor. (?)
Not to be rude. But I visited it this summer.
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| December 11, 2010, 12:53 am
Quoting Will G.
Quoting Ultramarine .
Any military applications?

The runway is wood and concrete, and it's rotting. They're also currently blocking off parts of the deck. There is no way, unless you completely gutted it and refinished it, would be able to make it work. I think it's cemented into the harbor. (?)
Not to be rude. But I visited it this summer.

/facepalm
This Puerto Rica guy's building a working one right now.

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| December 11, 2010, 9:09 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Essex Class... USS Lexington... 110 airplanes.

You realize you have to modify the airplane carrying g capacity if you're going to use modern aircraft? The 110 aircraft capacity for Lexington refers to her capacity in WWII, modern naval craft (F-18s, F-35s, or whatever you're using) are considerably larger than the craft carried by Lexington in the 40'sand 50's.

Nimitz class aircraft carriers only carry 85 planes, (that's with modern planes), and they are considerably larger than Lexington.

Since you need to be realistic, you're going to need to dumb down the amount carried, unless yo plan on using aircraft from the 40's and 50's.

I only ay this because I am an avid naval historian,and this sort of thing is common knowledge to me.
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| December 11, 2010, 10:22 am
Quoting Jake H.
/facepalm
This Puerto Rica guy's building a working one right now.

/Facepalm.
I was talking about the Lexington.

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| December 11, 2010, 11:03 am
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All wargames have concluded, and their results have been posted.

UFS v. Russia Large Scale Ground Wargame

The rules of the wargame were that once a unit was "killec" they could not be used again until the following day.
General Observations
-Finnish infantrymen far outperformed their Swedish counterparts, largely due to their intimate knowledge of the terrain. Their Russian counterparts are also very competent, but are currently hampered by older equipment, like the AK-74M.
-Since armor/ ammunition cannot be tested in an exercise like this, both side's tanks units were rapidly depleted daily, as both the C5A and the ABT Mk IV were found to have nearly identical first shot kill potential. Tank engagements proved more an exercise in luck than in equipment advantage.
- Simulated ammunition expendatures were massive on both sides- the UFS forces typically use MORE ammunition daily than would have been able to sent to the front in real combat. The Russians had similar issues, but were less pronounced.
-The Russians with their Pak 50s and Su 60s tended to dominate the skies where when they appreared, and often could engage UFS 4th generation fighters with near impunity at long range. and UFS aviators were unable to turn inside of the more agile fighters. The air war was virtually no contest.
-Russian air superiority meant that CAP for the UFS rarely made any difference.
-Fuel expendatures for all vehicles (including hybrid/electric types) were higher than usual.
-Attack helicopters proved far more vulnerable than anticipated.

And for the Tri-Nation naval engagements... (once a ship was destroyed, it was out for good)

- Both fleets tended to center around their aircraft carriers.
-Long range missile attacks generally proved ineffective for both sides due to the nature of advanced air defense.
-Submarines were the main threats to both battle groups, however, the single BU submarine was ill suited for close range torpedo attacks, and her missile strikes generally proved ineffective at destroying, but her large missile compliment was effective at depleting SAM magazines on Russo-UFS warships.
- In general, actions by aircraft, which tended to be used in more of a picket role for the fleet, was limited, once again due to advanced SAMS.
- Kills on ships were rather rare, but due to a combination of relentless air strikes as well as long range missile engagements resulted in the loss of:
BU:
3 Admiral Neumo Class Destroyers
1 ABM Submarine
1 Aircraft Carrier severely damaged
UFS-Russian
4 Russian GMDs
1 Russian Aircraft Carrier
1 Type- 2 Guided missile cruiser.
1 Type-4 Submarine
In general, the Baltic Unions naval assets were more modern than the UFS-Russian fleet and were able to do large amounts of "damage" to the older Russian vessels.

The UFS graciously thanks both nations for participating in these large scale wargames.
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| December 11, 2010, 11:06 am
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Quoting Thomas N
You realize you have to modify the airplane carrying g capacity if you're going to use modern aircraft? The 110 aircraft capacity for Lexington refers to her capacity in WWII, modern naval craft (F-18s, F-35s, or whatever you're using) are considerably larger than the craft carried by Lexington in the 40'sand 50's.

Nimitz class aircraft carriers only carry 85 planes, (that's with modern planes), and they are considerably larger than Lexington.

Since you need to be realistic, you're going to need to dumb down the amount carried, unless yo plan on using aircraft from the 40's and 50's.

I only ay this because I am an avid naval historian,and this sort of thing is common knowledge to me.

Thank you for bringing that up. It was rather late last night and I was tired. I got to thinking about that later (as I am an avid WWII fanatic, but more of a fan of the Enterprise than Essex) and realized that I did need to crunch the numbers a bit. But, I didn't get the chance...

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| December 11, 2010, 11:08 am
All CDC military units on 51% Alert or higher have been bumped down to 50% Alert status. Training exercises are still taking part, and we are expecting to have a better idea of how to spend our newly received bonus before it expires at the end of the year. The CNS Subesar, however, is still conducting it's classified mission somewhere in the Pacific, and we would like to warn the world that it is still indeed loaded for bear. Talks are still going relatively smoothly with the Bahamas, however they still seem quite hesistant about joining before seeing how our investments in drilling pay off, and we are not blaming them for this.
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| December 11, 2010, 12:14 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Thank you for bringing that up. It was rather late last night and I was tired. I got to thinking about that later (as I am an avid WWII fanatic, but more of a fan of the Enterprise than Essex) and realized that I did need to crunch the numbers a bit. But, I didn't get the chance...

I too love the Enterprise, she is my favorite warship of all time, but I am an avid fanatic of not just WWII naval tech, but also the cold war through the modern era. Navies from around the world and from the pas 70 years are just my specialty.
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| December 11, 2010, 12:49 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
All wargames have concluded, and their results have been posted.

And for the Tri-Nation naval engagements... (once a ship was destroyed, it was out for good)

- Both fleets tended to center around their aircraft carriers.
-Long range missile attacks generally proved ineffective for both sides due to the nature of advanced air defense.
-Submarines were the main threats to both battle groups, however, the single BU submarine was ill suited for close range torpedo attacks, and her missile strikes generally proved ineffective at destroying, but her large missile compliment was effective at depleting SAM magazines on Russo-UFS warships.
- In general, actions by aircraft, which tended to be used in more of a picket role for the fleet, was limited, once again due to advanced SAMS.
- Kills on ships were rather rare, but due to a combination of relentless air strikes as well as long range missile engagements resulted in the loss of:
BU:
3 Admiral Neumo Class Destroyers
1 ABM Submarine
1 Aircraft Carrier severely damaged
UFS-Russian
4 Russian GMDs
1 Russian Aircraft Carrier
1 Type- 2 Guided missile cruiser.
1 Type-4 Submarine
In general, the Baltic Unions naval assets were more modern than the UFS-Russian fleet and were able to do large amounts of "damage" to the older Russian vessels.

The UFS graciously thanks both nations for participating in these large scale wargames.

I thought I sent 6 of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine to function as attack vessels. Their purpose was also to protect the AMB, not that it matters now.

The AMB is being called back to port for evaluation, in order to establish what went wrong, how she was detected, and how it is best to fix her, and once again make her as stealthy as possible, to prevent loss in any future engagement.
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| December 11, 2010, 12:54 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I thought I sent 6 of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine to function as attack vessels. Their purpose was also to protect the AMB, not that it matters now.

The AMB is being called back to port for evaluation, in order to establish what went wrong, how she was detected, and how it is best to fix her, and once again make her as stealthy as possible, to prevent loss in any future engagement.


I am terribly sorry that I somehow missed them. Needless to say, they would have dealt greivous amount of damage :)
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| December 11, 2010, 12:55 pm
Quoting Will G.
/Facepalm.
I was talking about the Lexington.

/facedesk

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| December 11, 2010, 3:47 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
In international news, the PCU is requesting that China partake in a training exercise involving air-to-air combat and beach landings due to begin January 16th. A location has yet to be selected, but the Cabinet is debating on it.


We'll accept this invitation. Today, in China:
-Jiangxi breakthrough has been made on time, right on the tail of a moderately well-executed strategic retreat into Guangdong and and southern Hunan and other surrounding PRC provinces. Fujian too is now more or less taken over, though sporadic resisters pop up.
-Inner Mongolia has agreed to a quick integration over the next week, on the grounds we stick to our promises. Since the Emperor is a fair man, he has no intention to betrayal-five Inner Mongolia.
-Taiwan talks continue.
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| December 11, 2010, 4:26 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

We'll accept this invitation. Today, in China:

Excellent. We should select a location in the Pacific next. Maybe Wake Island.
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| December 11, 2010, 4:33 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Excellent. We should select a location in the Pacific next. Maybe Wake Island.


Sounds good to us.
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| December 11, 2010, 4:51 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Excellent. We should select a location in the Pacific next. Maybe Wake Island.

You're going to strongly dislike me in about two days...

Quoting Thomas N
I too love the Enterprise, she is my favorite warship of all time, but I am an avid fanatic of not just WWII naval tech, but also the cold war through the modern era. Navies from around the world and from the pas 70 years are just my specialty.

She's still the most decorated ship of all time! You need to check out the History channel WWII special on her, if you haven't already.
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| December 11, 2010, 6:28 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You're going to strongly dislike me in about two days...


I knew that "research vessel" was tricksy and false.
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| December 11, 2010, 6:30 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I knew that "research vessel" was tricksy and false.

No, that's legit. It's the rest of my fleet that is bound for someplace that you won't like.
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| December 11, 2010, 6:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You're going to strongly dislike me in about two days...


Don't touch my men, something might blow up a carrier in Corpus Christi.

But srs, are you going to like blow up Wake Island? Or my carrier?
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| December 11, 2010, 6:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Western Confederation and the Atlantic Union have entered talks of a diplomatic agreement, which will grow our relations considerably, since we will eventually share a border.
Confirmed.

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| December 11, 2010, 6:36 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
No, that's legit. It's the rest of my fleet that is bound for someplace that you won't like.


If you come within 1000 miles of me, I will not hesitate to do what must be done. Even in war with the PRC, I'm not letting an American splinter state mess in my affairs.

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| December 11, 2010, 6:37 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

Don't touch my men, something might blow up a carrier in Corpus Christi.

But srs, are you going to like blow up Wake Island? Or my carrier?

What is it with you and me attacking you?!?! Sheesh. I guess it's coming out, so I'll say it plain:

My light fleet is heading for Wake Atoll to claim that area. If you've already got men there, then let me know. While you're at it, please list all other of you Pacific claims.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

It happens to be Wake Atoll...
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| December 11, 2010, 6:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
What is it with you and me attacking you?!?! Sheesh. I guess it's coming out, so I'll say it plain:

My light fleet is heading for Wake Atoll to claim that area. If you've already got men there, then let me know. While you're at it, please list all other of you Pacific claims.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

It happens to be Wake Atoll...

Maybe if you just came out with your plans and didn't make them so dramatic, we'd not be so paranoid.

On another note, me and Awe are some of the most distrusted and hated people in the groups before this. We're paranoid for a reason.
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| December 11, 2010, 6:43 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
What is it with you and me attacking you?!?! Sheesh. I guess it's coming out, so I'll say it plain:

My light fleet is heading for Wake Atoll to claim that area. If you've already got men there, then let me know. While you're at it, please list all other of you Pacific claims.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

It happens to be Wake Atoll...


Maybe you should be a little more forthright and a little less ominous? Nick and I are paranoid, and justly, if you take our word for it.
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| December 11, 2010, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Maybe if you just came out with your plans and didn't make them so dramatic, we'd not be so paranoid.

On another note, me and Awe are some of the most distrusted and hated people in the groups before this. We're paranoid for a reason.


Well, you need to take your finger off the trigger for a second and look around. Who's trying to gobble up the Pacific at once? A couple people. Hence my "You'll strongly dislike me in a couple days" when you mentioned hosting your next exercise at Wake.

Can you see why I may have been secretive of it?
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| December 11, 2010, 6:51 pm
Well anyways. Here are my claims for the Pacific:

Guam, Hawaii, Marshall Islands, Marianas Islands, and Caroline Islands.


I had these in past groups, so I don't see why it'd be bad.
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| December 11, 2010, 6:53 pm
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I'll be ambitious here and make some claims too:

Wake Atoll
Midway
Palmyra Atoll
Johnston Atoll

Kinda spread out, but they'll do just fine for operating bases.

In other news:
The WCS Denver is on its way back to port from the aborted mission a day ago. The WCS Lexington is set to receive a lengthened flight deck (by 30 feet, 10 front-back, 10 on the angled deck), nuclear reactor engine (already under construction in a contracting company, set to produce 170 MW), improved screws, and a metal slat flight deck. In addition to the new catapult system and a brand-new radar and AA suite. The superstructure will remain largely intact, being fashionably vintage. It is estimated to be able to carry up to 70 fixed and rotor aircraft.

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| December 11, 2010, 7:00 pm
Update for Alberta:

With the Albertan Governor's urging, many communities in the territory have relented to PCU control. No where has this been more widespread than on the British Columbian border and the towns immediately around Calgary.

In Newfoundland, surveyors have arrived via C-130 at St. John's International Airport and are currently moving southwest down the coastline to scout a good location for a Naval Base.

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| December 11, 2010, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


Can you see why I may have been secretive of it?


No, it's unclaimed land. For example, I claim Tibet and Qinghai, because no one owns them. Nothing sinister about that. However, if I were to claim Korea as a part of an impending invasion, that would be sinister, and therefore secretive (I have no plans for Korea, unless Finn starts provoking me into action). Same goes for you, Ultra. Like I said, stop being so ominous and dramatic, and we might be a little less, how to say this, assuming-the-worst.
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| December 11, 2010, 7:29 pm
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Oh, gotcha. Well, Cuba's lurking out their somewhere, and it is a science vessel going out there without escort...

I have another question for the group. The US currently has 11 active carriers (and a couple under construction). Who has them? Do we just split them up amongst us splinter-states?

Not to mention the dozens of nuclear subs...
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| December 11, 2010, 7:34 pm
The CNS Subesar has just received orders to dive as deep as safely possible, and go quiet. It's engines are being shut off, and only weapons systems, necessary life support, and stabilizing systems will stay active, to insure that it stays safely in place for the next 12 hours. It's outside communications systems are also being cut, however it has orders to engage any and all submarines that come into sight.
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| December 11, 2010, 8:02 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I have another question for the group. The US currently has 11 active carriers (and a couple under construction). Who has them? Do we just split them up amongst us splinter-states?

Not to mention the dozens of nuclear subs...

Those who control the home ports of said vessels control the vessels themselves.
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| December 11, 2010, 8:11 pm
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Anti-submarine patrols are engaging across our Texan border, heavily around Corpus Christi. As far as our territorial waters go, we're on alert, thanks to intel pointing to our southern neighbors getting inexplicably uppity. The Baja has also gone on alert, though no naval assets are stationed there currently.

Sonar sweeps are being conducted, and Hawkeyes are airborne searching for disturbances and thermal imaging. The USNS Victorious is combing the extent of our territorial waters, escorted by three cutters.

This is just an exercise, not an 'escalation'.
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| December 11, 2010, 8:12 pm
Development has begun on a project dubbed 'ASSETS' I bet you'll never guess what it is. Also our new A-10, F-35, F-2, and Serpentes will be equpped with upgraded fuel tanks and targeting/EC units.
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| December 11, 2010, 8:21 pm
The units in the Caribbean have gone to normal status. The storm has past, and so we shall return to normal. The aircraft and radar headed for Cuba has been diverted and is headed home. We urge both the CDC and Western Confederation to not have any inter-conflict. If there is any The Commonwealth will remain neutral and will not participate in any actions unless provoked.
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| December 11, 2010, 8:25 pm
So since I own San Diego, I own all the ships stationed there?


Sweet.
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| December 11, 2010, 8:54 pm
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Quoting henry wang
The units in the Caribbean have gone to normal status. The storm has past, and so we shall return to normal. The aircraft and radar headed for Cuba has been diverted and is headed home. We urge both the CDC and Western Confederation to not have any inter-conflict. If there is any The Commonwealth will remain neutral and will not participate in any actions unless provoked.

Good, then don't do anything at all. I am merely engaging in limited patrols.

Permit me a small diatribe here, but I was really having a good time with all of you panicking and mobilizing your uber battalions and massive armies over a minor incident. Made me feel powerful. Then again, I wondered why you all thought you were 'all that' that I would actually bother with you?
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| December 11, 2010, 9:29 pm
Quoting -> avalella
The CNS Subesar has just received orders to dive as deep as safely possible, and go quiet. It's engines are being shut off, and only weapons systems, necessary life support, and stabilizing systems will stay active, to insure that it stays safely in place for the next 12 hours. It's outside communications systems are also being cut, however it has orders to engage any and all submarines that come into sight.

May I ask why?

In other news:
The Venezuelan military has fallen into disrepair. Only splinter units remain in the North. We have fully secured Caracas and will begin to push until we meet up with Brazilian troops.

To the North in Kansas we are assaulting McConnell AFB in hopes of obtaining their storage of tankers and B-1B bombers.
Other key bases are being seized, however with no military at all, the government of Wisconsin has surrendered to Souther forces. A governor will be selected and then elections will be held for senator in one month.
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| December 11, 2010, 9:38 pm
Captured territory is around 90% secured, and about one more weeklong sweep will have it at 100. Brazilian troops urged on with the possibility of a surrender are readying for invading Tucupita. The Venezuelan Airforce has been reduced to a small amount of F-16s and other aircraft.Enemy fighting intensity has quadrupled because they know that they are so close to surrender. A small Naval detachment has been sent out into the Pacific to secure a certain group of islands. AKA the Galapagos.
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| December 11, 2010, 9:55 pm
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Quoting Will G.
May I ask why?

To the North in Kansas we are assaulting McConnell AFB in hopes of obtaining their storage of tankers and B-1B bombers.
Other key bases are being seized, however with no military at all, the government of Wisconsin has surrendered to Souther forces. A governor will be selected and then elections will be held for senator in one month.

Whoa, whoa. Wait, I'm in diplomatic relations with Kansas right now...

I'm taking this opportunity to put Nebraska and Iowa under our protection, as they are in grain deals with us.
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| December 11, 2010, 10:04 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Whoa, whoa. Wait, I'm in diplomatic relations with Kansas right now...

I'm taking this opportunity to put Nebraska and Iowa under our protection, as they are in grain deals with us.

Uh, I stated back in ICF III that I was "peacefully invading." I guess you can keep your contracts, and when they come under my control you can keep them. When did you post this?

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| December 11, 2010, 10:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Whoa, whoa. Wait, I'm in diplomatic relations with Kansas right now...

I'm taking this opportunity to put Nebraska and Iowa under our protection, as they are in grain deals with us.

I also invaded Iowa...
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| December 11, 2010, 10:41 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Uh, I stated back in ICF III that I was "peacefully invading." I guess you can keep your contracts, and when they come under my control you can keep them. When did you post this?

I posted it just before you asked me to join NAFTA. That was when I opened negotiations with Kansas. That was my prelude to annexation. You were still at war with Venezuela. I'm afraid I'm gonna ask you to stop. I'll give you the B-1s, I've got plenty of those from the Dakotas, but it's not kosher to take a place someone has made 'moves' on.

It's not about the grain, it's about the land.

Ok, I'll release Iowa, that was a spur of the moment decision.
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| December 11, 2010, 11:07 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I posted it just before you asked me to join NAFTA. That was when I opened negotiations with Kansas. That was my prelude to annexation. You were still at war with Venezuela. I'm afraid I'm gonna ask you to stop. I'll give you the B-1s, I've got plenty of those from the Dakotas, but it's not kosher to take a place someone has made 'moves' on.

It's not about the grain, it's about the land.

Ok, I'll release Iowa, that was a spur of the moment decision.

Okay. Sounds like A plan.
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| December 11, 2010, 11:13 pm
The occupation of certain areas of the Southern Philippines has so far proved a success. More or less. The government were happy to have our IU forces reinforcing the Philippines defense. Civilians were mostly friendly or neutral to our arrival, but a small percentage treated our soldiers with open hostility. But you get that everywhere I suppose.

I noticed Finn hasn't given any updates for a while. Are you still planning on attacking the Philippines?
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| December 11, 2010, 11:14 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Okay. Sounds like A plan.

Thank you. How many B-1s do you figure were stationed there?
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| December 11, 2010, 11:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Thank you. How many B-1s do you figure were stationed there?

A lot of B-1B's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McConnell_Air_Force_Base
I tried to figure form this. Seeing as how they made 100, and only a few bases use them, I guess at least a dozen. I think Kansas was an oddball in the invasion in the first place, seeing as how it stuck out into your territory.

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| December 11, 2010, 11:19 pm
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Quoting Will G.
A lot of B-1B's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McConnell_Air_Force_Base
I tried to figure form this. Seeing as how they made 100, and only a few bases use them, I guess at least a dozen. I think Kansas was an oddball in the invasion in the first place, seeing as how it stuck out into your territory.

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Oklahoma, seeing as how I'm effectively boxed in by you-know-who.

My, that's quite a bit of hardware. Plenty for the both of us. You shall have your 12 B-1s, and how about a couple tankers thrown in?
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| December 11, 2010, 11:23 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Oklahoma, seeing as how I'm effectively boxed in by you-know-who.

My, that's quite a bit of hardware. Plenty for the both of us. You shall have your 12 B-1s, and how about a couple tankers thrown in?

Sure. Pleasure doing err... Business.
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| December 12, 2010, 12:19 am
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Quoting Will G.
Sure. Pleasure doing err... Business.

Yep, sorry about the confusion & all.
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| December 12, 2010, 12:38 am
Integration of those Canadian Providences goes well. 15% done.
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| December 12, 2010, 8:10 pm
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The Federation is in good spirits today seeing as though the first Type-2 GMC to serve under the Russian colors has been set to sea. The vessel will of course undergo sea trials for another week or so before actually being at a combat-ready status. Our only regret is that the vessel was finished too late to be included within the first Baltic Naval Defense Exercise, as dubbed by the Federation. Aside from that, the second Type-2 is quite near completion as well. We're looking at another week and a half or so. The remaining two contracted to be built are lagging behind with another two and half to three weeks of progress being needed.

Still on the naval note, a compliment (two vessels) of joint-venture GMDs is roughly two weeks away from being able to touch their first dose of water. These two destroyers will be the first in the Russian fleet while the first prototypical vessel released some time ago will remain under Nordic title. Alas, another naval project currently under secure nature has been underway for a week now. In the near future, the project will be opened to the public's knowledge.

On a more land-based notion, the first battalion's worth of 6.8mm cartridged rifles has been completed. These rifles have been assigned to serve in the second rotation of troops going to the Caucasus Region as to demonstrate their worth. Hopefully, all will go well and no casualties will be sustained because of design errors.

Although this next item is rather somber, it has become a negative sensation all the same and must be reported. Three more terrorist bombings have struck Moscow in dense population zones. Hundreds of casualties have been reported and a large outcry from the people has been heard. We believe the latter is in reverse effect from what the terrorists were expecting. The energy from the populace has driven the assignment of 3,000 more troops to be involved within the Third Chechen War.

In regards to the latter, a gaudy airstrike involving what are/were believed to be Georgian combat planes was launched against a condensed Russian platoon. Several dozen casualties have been confirmed and with a shudder of morale drop being involved as well. Because of this attack, the Russian Federation has mobilized armour into the independent nations of S. Ossetia and Abkhazian as a means of intimidation and instigation. The Georgian government still has yet to withdraw its presence from the Caucasus Republic and thus the Federation is drawing out the plans for a preemptive strike. The only issue is one of saving face seeing as though Georgia will likely gain the international community's respects and twist our actions against ourselves.
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| December 12, 2010, 8:25 pm
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Well, if the pages hadn't been down, I wouldn't be double-posting....

Our Pacific excursion fleet has been warned about the possibility of "Run Silent, Run Deep" dangers (we're well equipped to handle that, you see, since we're the ones who wrote the book on it. No, really, we did; literally) and are taking evasive patterns for confusion. The cutters assigned to the fleet are very ASW equipped, since they came from anti-drug sub patrols a lustrum or two ago. The science/salvage ship is also taking such defensive patterns. Cuba is reminded that this vessel is civilian, not military in any way. They are about a day away from Midway Island.

The two Danish ships arrived in Corpus Christi for service with the WC. The commanders will be taking a quick shore leave and then head back on a civilian vessel.

A coded message was sent to Denmark, it was received and acknowledged.

In a profitable purchase, the WC has obtained two Essx-class carriers from the Northeast. These will be refitted, though on a smaller scale since they were retired in the early 90s. Their boilers won't be replaced by nuclear power, making the process faster.

On the civil side, Montana has passed the measure to join the Western Confederation by a margin of five votes. Nebraska has been approached about joining as well. Kansas has been in quite the turmoil past couple of days with both east and west overshadowing her. She found herself in the hands of the Western Confederation.

The Southerners have been given 12 B-1s and four KC-135 tankers in a trade deal.
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| December 12, 2010, 8:29 pm
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After the embarrassing lack of air superiority during the joint-nation wargames, several steps will be taken
-The UFS will be looking more closely at Norwegian F-35As and will upgrade these machines to a higher standard. The Finnish F18s will be given electronics best suited for ground attack missions, and JAS 35 Gripens are being upgraded to be a strike fighter with better air to air as well as air to ground systems. The F-35As will be upgraded with stealthy external fuel tanks (currently under development) and the weapons bay may be expanded.

A new stealthy, sea skimming Anti Ship missile has begun development with the highest priority to increase damage against fleets with advanced missile defense.

Oh. The UFS leaders have begun to wonder about the competency of the Danish government. Nothing other than harsh words will be sent their way as of now.
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| December 12, 2010, 8:31 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
A new stealthy, sea skimming Anti Ship missile has begun development with the highest priority to increase damage against fleets with advanced missile defense.

And, that would be why we don't limit our Phalanx guns at zero degree elevation...
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| December 12, 2010, 8:37 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
And, that would be why we don't limit our Phalanx guns at zero degree elevation...


Thats why its called "stealthy." If the Phalanx cant get a lock, then it is useless.
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| December 12, 2010, 8:38 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Yo Dawn, you see/ go to the Army/ Navy game? Army has had a baaaadd string of losses...
Yeah, it was horrible 98 yard run, I mean really? Well Navy is losing their QB this year so next year we have hope.

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| December 12, 2010, 8:40 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Thats why its called "stealthy." If the Phalanx cant get a lock, then it is useless.

You're only going to be able to produce 6 of these, you know that, right? Something about blowing up the budget?

I'll just shower someone's fleet with dozens of semi-guided little rockets...
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| December 12, 2010, 8:44 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You're only going to be able to produce 6 of these, you know that, right? Something about blowing up the budget?

I'll just shower someone's fleet with dozens of semi-guided little rockets...


I find your air of superiority... disturbing. I won't nitpick everything that you do as long as you don't nitpick me. And no, these won't be expensive, they wont be ASBMs, but rather air launched devices similar in size to the Harpoon.
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| December 12, 2010, 8:45 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I find your air of superiority... disturbing. I won't nitpick everything that you do as long as you don't nitpick me. And no, these won't be expensive, they wont be ASBMs, but rather air launched devices similar in size to the Harpoon.

Just pointing out some things, if you want to blow your money, that's your business.

Awhile back, though, I recall some people objecting rather strongly to some other anti-ship missiles by a particular country. Care to explain the difference and how I go about nullifying your weapon because I don't want you to have it?
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| December 12, 2010, 8:51 pm
I love how Ultra and Matt hate each other.


/starts scheming
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| December 12, 2010, 8:57 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Just pointing out some things, if you want to blow your money, that's your business.

Awhile back, though, I recall some people objecting rather strongly to some other anti-ship missiles by a particular country. Care to explain the difference and how I go about nullifying your weapon because I don't want you to have it?


Yes, Europe strongly protested to Anti-Shipping Ballistic Missiles, which are ground based weapons with several THOUSAND kilometers range. As it was being developed by the commonwealth, it could have cut off every waterway in Europe. Pretty much it was a threat to all of Europe. This is pretty much just a Harpoon with stealthier capabilities. If you continuing to protest this matter is fruitless, as then we could spend all day talking about how evil and horrible all of our military projects are. You get your carriers, I get my Harpoons.
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| December 12, 2010, 8:58 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I love how Ultra and Matt hate each other.


/starts scheming

No, I'm just not opposed to putting on a good zinger when it comes my way. He was asking for it...
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| December 12, 2010, 8:59 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
No, I'm just not opposed to putting on a good zinger when it comes my way. He was asking for it...


Explain to me how naturally expanding my limited armed force's capability is "asking for it"? The truth is that I must rely of superior technology to beat or repel opponents since even with most of the Nordic countries, I cannot field that large of a military. I think someone here is just sore because I quit being Combat Mod...
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| December 12, 2010, 9:02 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

You get your carriers, I get my Harpoons.

Hmmm. So, if I get all of AMERICA to object to your stealth harpoon missiles, can we get you to stop?

Quoting Matt Hacker
I think someone here is just sore because I quit being Combat Mod...


Well, slightly. But just because you're too thin-skinned to take heat doesn't bother me.
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| December 12, 2010, 9:02 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Hmmm. So, if I get all of AMERICA to object to your stealth harpoon missiles, can we get you to stop?


Sadly, no. I am going through with this one. Besides, its impossible to make a full "stealth missile". This just means shorter detection times for targets to find the missile, as by 2036 radar is liable to get more powerful.
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| December 12, 2010, 9:05 pm
In The Commonwealth...

All production for the F-35 will stop completely. This is only temperary until we upgrade the fighter. The RAF is planning on switching the role of the F-35. There will be a designated CAS F-35 and a more fighter interceptor oriented version. The CAS version will basically be the unchanged F-35 A except with different armament. This will be called the F-35 D. The interceptor version will have a larger weapons bay, and possibly will include hardpoints. There will also be better radar for the fighter and will include better coolants to decrease the heat produced by the exaust. This will most likely take at least a month or two of designing, and F-35 A production will halt until then. Although, F-35 B and C production will continue. The RAF will also be design a longer ranged Air to Air missile for our fighters. The Royal Navy will currently be design a better chaff delivery system to hinder radar guided missiles even more. BAE and company have begun the production of 6 Recluse-Class Cruisers. With the completion of 2 new shipyards, Britain now has six shipyards designated for the Royal Navy. Finally all soldiers will be given a higher bonus than ususal.
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| December 12, 2010, 9:51 pm
Production of the Carolina- class destroyers start.

The Atlantic Union is repainting its air-force to its own unique color scheme.

Negotiations begin in the Bahamas.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:07 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Thomas N
I too love the Enterprise, she is my favorite warship of all time, but I am an avid fanatic of not just WWII naval tech, but also the cold war through the modern era. Navies from around the world and from the pas 70 years are just my specialty.

She's still the most decorated ship of all time! You need to check out the History channel WWII special on her, if you haven't already.

If you mean "Battle 360" then yes, yes I have. I've watched every episode. Twice.

Also, I'm going to have to ask you to leave Denmark alone. An American splinter state has no place conducting diplomatic integration schemes (apparently) with a sovereign European nation.

If pu8sh comes to shove, I will defend Denmark from any attempted annexation/invasion. Also, the Danish government wouldn't join you, no matter how many "secret communications" you send.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:22 pm
The CNS Subesar has surfaced, and is heading home. All weapons systems are being unloaded, and it is not attempting to be stealthy in any way. Our oil wells are now fully operational, and we are beginning to reap the benefits of this drilling. While we are going to sell oil internationally, it will be highly tarriffed, as we need to meet our own demands before trying to turn a profit. A new automobile manufacturer has just opened up in Camaguay, and we have been quick to set emission regulations on the vehicles they produce, and we have agreed to supply them with exhaust filters free of charge. We are also sponsoring their research into renewable fuel, and are giving them full access to government research on the matter. This business is also receiving much private investment, and we are expecting it to prosper.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:22 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Our oil wells are now fully operational, and we are beginning to reap the benefits of this drilling. While we are going to sell oil internationally, it will be highly tarriffed, as we need to meet our own demands before trying to turn a profit.

That's weird, because tariffs are usually placed on imports, because putting tariffs on exports wouldn't help ou much.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:27 pm
Quoting Thomas N
That's weird, because tariffs are usually placed on imports, because putting tariffs on exports wouldn't help ou much.

Yes, but there is something called an export tax, or export tarrif. Basically, I need oil, and I don't want to share it.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:31 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Yes, but there is something called an export tax, or export tarrif. Basically, I need oil, and I don't want to share it.

The idea there is you don't send people oil. With exports, you can control whether it leaves the country or not. With a tariff, you essentially jack up the price, which while making people not want to buy your oil, really doesn't matter if you don' send it in the first place.

The idea is, you place a tariff on the oil other people send into your country, making your oil look cheaper to your population, ergo, people buy more of your oil in your country, and you make money.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:35 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The idea there is you don't send people oil. With exports, you can control whether it leaves the country or not. With a tariff, you essentially jack up the price, which while making people not want to buy your oil, really doesn't matter if you don' send it in the first place.

The idea is, you place a tariff on the oil other people send into your country, making your oil look cheaper to your population, ergo, people buy more of your oil in your country, and you make money.

... I'm not placing a tarrif on imported oil, I want people to buy my own oil, at whatever the price may be, and I want to keep as much of it as I can to boost my industrial capacity (which is pretty low at the moment).
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| December 12, 2010, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

If you mean "Battle 360" then yes, yes I have. I've watched every episode. Twice.

Also, I'm going to have to ask you to leave Denmark alone. An American splinter state has no place conducting diplomatic integration schemes (apparently) with a sovereign European nation.

If pu8sh comes to shove, I will defend Denmark from any attempted annexation/invasion. Also, the Danish government wouldn't join you, no matter how many "secret communications" you send.

Me too! That's the best ever series!

Who, me? I have no desires on annexation. My intentions are as 'pure' as Matt's.

I don't understand this double standard, Matt does something we don't like, and everyone just stands around and gawks. I do something no one likes and I get this treatment.

Sending a 'coded message' could simply be a red herring. But I'll let you figure that out.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Sending a 'coded message' could simply be a red herring. But I'll let you figure that out.


If you were less cryptic and more open about your messages I think people wouldn't mind as much.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:46 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

If you were less cryptic and more open about your messages I think people wouldn't mind as much.

Yeah, whatever. I can be as 'cryptic' as I please. Just look at the main pic for the group.
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| December 12, 2010, 10:47 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, whatever. I can be as 'cryptic' as I please. Just look at the main pic for the group.


Exactly why people don't trust secretive communications...
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| December 12, 2010, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Ok. So Matt actually lives in NJ. He sees America quickly splintering, and thinks "maybe I can make my home state an American Switzerland!" Romantic, yes. Planning on annexing the place? Probably not. And why would it bother you anyway, you share no border at all with Jersey. I would have done the same thing with New York if I had the chance, but y'all got too it first.

What you did in Denmark was nothing but just adding fuel to the fire for no reason. Matt did not "protect" NJ, yet I believe you declared the Danish had willingly accepted you as their protectors, which I don't understand. It's not like you could really defend them if Tom, Matt, or Erik randomly decided to invade them.

There is no double standard, and frankly, you are within full right to get angry at someone if it contradicts your interests. It happens every day in the real world. But from Matt and Tom's view, you took something harmless and probably half-hearted and escalated it to the point of ridiculous.

Ok. I have ancestors that are from Denmark. I thought "I can make my ancestral grounds a Switzerland!" He opened trade, I opened trade. The absurd amount of acceptance was sarcastic, because Matt was totally sure he'd be accepted with no problems in NJ. And no one seemed to think any different except us insignificant "Splinter American Powers". But when one of us tries it, all hades breaks loose. Therein lies the double standard.

Now it's just fun to see how I can make everyone flip out whenever I merely mention "Denmark".
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| December 12, 2010, 11:06 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Fair enough. But you need to look at this. He sent three diplomats to Newark, probably voicing their support. You sent troops. Albeit a very small amount, you still landed people with guns, with your flag on their shoulder, about 20 miles from his country. He did by no means do that.

He sent them that close to my allies' countries. The term 'troops' doesn't really have the proper connotation for unarmed men.
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| December 12, 2010, 11:16 pm
Quoting -> avalella
... I'm not placing a tarrif on imported oil, I want people to buy my own oil, at whatever the price may be, and I want to keep as much of it as I can to boost my industrial capacity (which is pretty low at the moment).

If you want people to buy your oil you need to make it cheaper because if you tax exports that will make your oil very unappealing compared to other cheaper oil. But if you want to boost your industrial capability, than don't even sell it. There is basically no middle ground, unless you break the rules of a capatalistic system(which I am assuming you are) and the government only sells a portion of its oil. Which leaves some for you.
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| December 12, 2010, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The absurd amount of acceptance was sarcastic, because Matt was totally sure he'd be accepted with no problems in NJ.


I would continue to argue, but it is pointless. My final statement on this matter is: As an Admin in this group, I have to consider that whatever actions I make in the group will set precedence over all others, so what I do has to be carefully thought out. Considering that the world is full of international trade as well as international relations, and especially given NJ's former isolation, there is no reason that NJ would not accept standard business transactions. I thought of this before I even stated my intentions, and, other than some miscommunication with Jake, I think most people here understand that. If you get P.O.'d by this, then by all means, you don't have to have any international relations.
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| December 12, 2010, 11:18 pm
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The Western Confederation has passed a measure banning any of its member states from trading with Cuba. They have proven they cannot be trusted with trading relations anyway, since they stiffed the WC a few months ago after requesting several examples of the Mig-60. They have proven otherwise rather hostile.

The Pacific fleet has ceased its radical jinking and resumed a straight course. The science vessel has also resumed normal course.
Quoting Matt Hacker
other than some miscommunication with Jake, I think most people here understand that.

Wait, I thought he was taking over NJ, what happened to that?
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| December 12, 2010, 11:21 pm
In the OTHER Confederation, we've been digesting our gains in Kyrghizstan.

And sending coded messages to China.

Neither of these activities is of much interest to the international community.
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| December 12, 2010, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
And sending coded messages to China.

Neither of these activities is of much interest to the international community.

WHAT?!?!?! Coded messages?!?! Pandemonium and panic!
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| December 12, 2010, 11:29 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

If you were less cryptic and more open about your messages I think people wouldn't mind as much.


HERE, HERE.

@Areetsa: Coded message received.

In China:
-Inner Mongolia will be officially ours by next Saturday.
-War in the South goes on.
-Production continues. HAT-1 Mk. II MOCpages post coming soon to an internet near you!
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| December 13, 2010, 12:02 am
The PCU has settled on a 20 square mile spot of land near St. Anthony, Newfoundland/Labrador for the Atlantic Command of the PCU Navy. Three cargo ships have been loaded with the basic supplies needed and are heading for it, though we will try to make use of the local contractors as much as possible. We're requesting permission to cross through the Panama Canal, but if we can't, we'll just go around.

In Alberta, the Southern-most portion, and the Western Border have been secured. FOBs have been strategically positioned throughout the secured territories to launch search-and-destroy missions into the remaining areas.

But not all news is good news. As three PCU HMMWVs headed into Red Deer to recon the area, they were engaged by a local group of armed civilians. One soldier was severely wounded. The main force that was only two miles down the road was reached via COM though, and quickly came to the soldier's rescue. Air support was called in too, and many militia retreated. A T-45 flew in to survey the battle, and many troops were observed fleeing Red Deer for Edmonton. No more news has been recovered at this time.

On board the John Hood, two SH-60 Seahawks successfully cornered and forced a submarine out of its hiding place in the sea. Their tactics have been sent back to the Training Schools for analysis.

In Washington, USS Ronald Reagan and Carl Vinson have been re-christened the HGS Ronald Reagan and Carl Vinson, and are leaving on their first combat missions at the start of January.
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| December 13, 2010, 1:00 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
We're requesting permission to cross through the Panama Canal.

Sure you can, although you will have to pay a minimal fee of $1.50 per foot.
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| December 13, 2010, 7:03 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Wait, I thought he was taking over NJ, what happened to that?


The miscommunication was that he thought I was preventing people from taking it, which is and was not the case. He is now integrating it.
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| December 13, 2010, 9:52 am
News-
ADF forces have entered the capital of Vanuatu, Port Vila, and have already encountered heavy opposition. The Vanuatu army is helping us, but we fear this may turn into a war that the former nation of the United States of America had back in the early 2000s. Casualties are not very high, but many of them have been of land mines and IEDs. We know their strongpoints are in the jungle, and we will send jungle regiments in there. For now, eradicating the forces in Port Vila is our main objective.
Oh and can you let my friend in or does he need more MOCs? I know he has the bare minimum, and maybe he can join if he gets a few more MOCs up. Here is his link-http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/66085
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| December 13, 2010, 4:34 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
In the OTHER Confederation, we've been digesting our gains in Kyrghizstan.

And sending coded messages to China.

Neither of these activities is of much interest to the international community.

In the OTHER OTHER Confederation...
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| December 13, 2010, 5:16 pm
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The Pacific fleet has made Midway Islands early this morning, well ahead of the science vessel. Since they had nothing to do, the captains of the vessels granted their men a quick shore leave. Sunbathing, swimming, and games of football ensued. Upon receiving confirmation of landfall, the WC High Command sent yet another data burst to Denmark, only to receive for a reply: -130 -20' 38" by 28 12' 5". Further actions await the arrival of the science vessel in two days.

Things continue to remain quiet on the Baja, construction is coming along just fine there. Defensive foxholes/MG nests are pocketing the terrain as more trouble from the Cartels is expected. Five older F-16Cs have been dispatched to the area for air cover along with the existing AC-130.

Our first battleship was completed today, christened the WCS Brigand. It carries twelve cruise missiles, 10 anti-shipping missiles, 10 SAMs, and one 200mm main cannon. Three Phalanx guns (two middle, one aft) give 360 degree protection against missiles and aircraft. Landing pad accommodates one helicopter that carries aerial torpedoes. Comprehensive Radar/Sonar make it able to peer anywhere it needs to for target neutralization.

Due to a shortage of F-18s, the WC is considering the F-16F (with a much upgraded engine) for carrier service, its small size making it ideal for space maximization. The New superiority fighter will also be serving aboard carriers once sufficient numbers are produced. Speaking of which, 3 have been produced: http://mocpages.com/moc.php/229276. Loaded with everything from helmet mounted HUD to experimental AESA radar, this puppy is a world-beater. It uses 10% fewer materials than the F-35, yet is 12% less detectable (as such things are measurable, give or take the margin of error).
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| December 13, 2010, 6:03 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
-130 -20' 38" by 28 12' 5"


Kikaijima Island? Okinawa?
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| December 13, 2010, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Ultramarine .
-130 -20' 38" by 28 12' 5"


Kikaijima Island? Okinawa?


I got a point off the coast of Mexico...

Meanwhile, in China:
-War has calmed down for a bit, we're giving the troops a rest. This will allow the PRC to rebuild some defenses, but most of their planes have been shot down over the past month. We haven't lost many of our Miantiaos, though less can be said of the inferior planes.
-Inner Mongolia absorbing on phase 2/7.
-Production goes on.
-The Emperor is sending coded messages to the Pacific Union. For the lulz. Coded messages are a new fad popping up around in these parts.
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| December 13, 2010, 7:35 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Western Confederation has passed a measure banning any of its member states from trading with Cuba. They have proven they cannot be trusted with trading relations anyway, since they stiffed the WC a few months ago after requesting several examples of the Mig-60. They have proven otherwise rather hostile.

I'm extremely confused. When did I stiff you? There is no Mig-60... Also, the aggression I showed was just a countermeassure to the previous tensions, I needed to flex some muscle and show where my allegience was.
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| December 13, 2010, 7:38 pm
Canada-20% done

NJ has been successfully invaded. We had few casualties, and the area is now under martial law.

The main source of casualties was from small arms fire.

24 wounded
9 dead
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| December 13, 2010, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Kikaijima Island? Okinawa?

As the previous coordinates were found ambiguous, clarification has been requested and received. New coordinates: 28*12'5"N by 170*20'30"W.

Quoting -> avalella
I'm extremely confused. When did I stiff you? There is no Mig-60... Also, the aggression I showed was just a countermeassure to the previous tensions, I needed to flex some muscle and show where my allegience was.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46934040@N05/5215960990/
Is this or is this not you? And is that or is that not a trade request that you dropped?

This is the second time you've run out on me in a trade. Last time was with my A-2s in the 21 Century.

What, flexing in front of a mirror? You didn't even tell us where it was, for all we know, it was in your harbor...
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| December 13, 2010, 8:56 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
As the previous coordinates were found ambiguous, clarification has been requested and received. New coordinates: 28*12'5"N by 170*20'30"W.

YUSSSS. I got the coordinates off by just around 1000 miles!
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| December 13, 2010, 9:11 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
YUSSSS. I got the coordinates off by just around 1000 miles!

Correction: I was off by halfway around the world. Apologies.
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| December 13, 2010, 9:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
As the previous coordinates were found ambiguous, clarification has been requested and received. New coordinates: 28*12'5"N by 170*20'30"W.


What are you doing by Hawaii?
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| December 13, 2010, 9:15 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

What are you doing by Hawaii?

It's not by Hawaii.
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| December 13, 2010, 9:17 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
It's not by Hawaii.


Midway, Hawaii, same region. Taking Midway, are ye?
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| December 13, 2010, 9:49 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting -> avalella
I'm extremely confused. When did I stiff you? There is no Mig-60... Also, the aggression I showed was just a countermeassure to the previous tensions, I needed to flex some muscle and show where my allegience was.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46934040@N05/5215960990/
Is this or is this not you? And is that or is that not a trade request that you dropped?

This is the second time you've run out on me in a trade. Last time was with my A-2s in the 21 Century.

What, flexing in front of a mirror? You didn't even tell us where it was, for all we know, it was in your harbor...

I apologize, and blame it on Cliffe spamming my recent activity :P. Seriously though, I totally forgot about this, and am willing to buy a squadron of these (how far will $100 million get me?), if you still are willing to sell. Honestly, my bad. I didn't mean to mess with you, I guess real life just blurred that out. Also, for all you know, they could've been in YOUR harbors >;).
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| December 13, 2010, 9:58 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Midway, Hawaii, same region. Taking Midway, are ye?

You didn't see that earlier? You're slow. Actually, those coordinates are a bit off of there.

Quoting -> avalella
I apologize, and blame it on Cliffe spamming my recent activity :P. Seriously though, I totally forgot about this, and am willing to buy a squadron of these (how far will $100 million get me?), if you still are willing to sell. Honestly, my bad. I didn't mean to mess with you, I guess real life just blurred that out. Also, for all you know, they could've been in YOUR harbors >;).

Sorry, embargo is in place already.

And it better not have been, considering I had every vessel out looking for you in my ports. I don't care how long ago it was, IF it was, it's an act of war pure and simple.
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| December 13, 2010, 10:08 pm
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An emergency training session has been called into effect, simulating an invasion of UFS soil from the air. Naval and Air assets are being diverted to Southern Sweden, specifically near the Denmark Strait (might have a different name that I don't know about). These assets will be carring live ammunition for live fire exercise. We warn against all commercial aircraft coming from around the world to stay clear of UFS airspace around Sweden, as we do not want to risk another tragedy similary to the USS USS Vincennes disaster.
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| December 13, 2010, 10:24 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You didn't see that earlier? You're slow. Actually, those coordinates are a bit off of there.


I figured you were going there, but you kept gave out the wrong coordinates. I see no need why your new friends in Denmark would just send those coordinates. Cryptic boi. I may be slow, but at least I'm not plunging head first against the evil forces of Europe.
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| December 13, 2010, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

What's going on with the comments?
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| December 13, 2010, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
What's going on with the comments?


We must have reached maximum capacity in this thread, I suggest a new one.
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| December 13, 2010, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

We must have reached maximum capacity in this thread, I suggest a new one.


Excellent idea.
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| December 13, 2010, 11:01 pm
In The Commonwealth...

There will be training excercises done in The Commonwealth. All forces will be utalized in these excercises. This will basically mean that all forces for the time being are on high alert, and are ready to deploy if any sort of conflict arrises.
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| December 13, 2010, 11:01 pm
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