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International Conversation Forum VI
*Expansion
*Indo-Korean war?
*building up of everyone's military
*more expansion
*The game has been lost
*Have fun, play nice

~218 in last thread.

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| December 19, 2010, 9:56 am
Wow- that seemed quick.
And will someone delete the second ICF V?
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| December 19, 2010, 10:10 am
In Brazil Land...
Military exersizes are scheduled for Today.
-Special Forces will mainly focus on guerilla fighting and Anti-Armor.
-The Paras will work on the same, but add CQB into it.
-The Infantry will combine all 3 and Armor Coordination.
-A linked communication system, much like Cuba's BattleCom is under developmet.
-New developments in stealth will be used on an experimental plane. It will most likely be able to jam/block all radar.
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| December 19, 2010, 10:20 am
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Post here, children. And admins, please lock number V. It's too long.
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| December 19, 2010, 9:29 pm
Fun fact: Denmark makes stuff for gulfstream and the F-35 gun pods.
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| December 19, 2010, 10:01 pm
Although Italy has been very inactive in the ICF, progress within the country has still been made. Italian energy sources continue to turn "Green" as investments in oil-independent methods of energy production increase. The auto industry is being influenced to switch to electric and other non-fossil fuel power sources for their vehicles in order to create a greater amount of readily available oil for military forces.

Talks of possible annexation have begun with Slovenia and as of current, they go well.

Italian military equipment continues to be upgraded and replaced. As does the production of LAV-25A4 and M1126A2 armored vehicles.

That's all I've had time to type up tonight; excuse me if it's a little unpolished or repetitive.
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| December 19, 2010, 10:14 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Ok, we'll use this one. But in the future, try and let an admin or a mod make the new ICF, and close the previous one all in one go, it just makes life easier.

Lo siento, no one seems to bother counting the comments so I do occasionally...
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| December 19, 2010, 10:33 pm
me? Whining? nay, I was just asking one question, not whining. Ok maybe it looked like I could have been, but I didn't mean it to. And It's spelt 'Philippines', not 'filip3nis' or whatever you typed.

Ok, dramas aside:
The IU soldiers stationed in the Philipines are waiting for the UKS to make it's first move to take the Philippines, as they said they would, though no sign of any large Korean force heading in our direction as of yet.

Indonesian diplomats are sure fighting will break out soon, as all this political tension between Korea and Indonesia can't just disipate without conflict.

the 7 remaining military Companies in Borneo are heading home to Java, now things have settled there.

The construction of the 'Kraken' Submarine has been temporarily halted, to make way for plans for new aircraft.

'tis all for now.
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| December 19, 2010, 11:50 pm
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The Danes rounded the eastern side of Greenland late today, still making no efforts to loose the Brigand. This is perhaps due to the superior range of the Brigand’s radar over the Danes’. The ships made a straight line for the Arctic Circle. Rear Admiral Halls ordered his men: “Break out the parkas men, we’re going in.” “Something is rotten in Denmark” is a phrase that can sum this up pretty well. The investigation is revealing some rather frightening things that have been brewing for some time now. The depth and scale of the situation is just now starting to become clear. Five arrests have been made throughout the Danish military officers. Things could get much worse.

The installation of the 4 Phalanx guns is completed aboard each of the Forrestals. Live-fire testing will begin tomorrow after powered sailing. The Bullmoose flew aboard the both of them this morning, being the first aircraft to serve on them for 50 years. The WCS Houston is slated to receive the first squadron of F-18Cs. As naval aircraft are in short supply, and these supercarriers have a healthy appetite of 90/piece, the two will carry quite the assortment, the Houston will be operating at just over half capacity for now until the F-29s and 89s arrive in sufficient quantity. Here's the Houston's manifest:
20 F-18Cs
2 E-2 Hawkeyes
5 F-35s
5 AV-8B Harriers
10 UH-10 Bullmoose
10 F-16Fs (Temporary assignment)

The Great Falls will remain in Corpus Christi until the new planes are completed and fill her berths. By the time the Lexington refit is complete, she'll have plenty of the new fighters to fill her as well. The Denver, with its small capacity, has already been filled with F-35s and F-16Fs.

Flight testing continues on the Denver for the new fighters, results are reassuring, both projects are a success.

The Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs will be starting the new semester in a couple weeks. Barracks will be expanded to accommodate naval pilots as they are trained there until the naval academy is finished at Corpus Christi.
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| December 20, 2010, 1:24 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
“Something is rotten in Denmark” is a phrase that can sum this up pretty well.


THERE'S SOMETHING ROTTEN
IN THE STATE OF DENMARK
MIDNIGHT AT THE CASTLE
ELSINOR WENT HARK
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| December 20, 2010, 2:53 pm
Approximately 500 airmen have just been recruiter for an extremely dangerous, yet important mission. The nature of this mission is confidential, however there is an expected 78% casualty rate. A large number of older aircraft are being taken out of storage and refurbished for use in this mission. These aircraft have already been written off for the most part, however the pilots will still receive training in a classified airbase outside of the CDC.
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| December 20, 2010, 4:00 pm
Over in the Confederation, we've been looking into a few things. Nothing concrete yet, of course, but there's definite profits looking to be in Israel's future.
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| December 20, 2010, 4:15 pm
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Development of a new (and projected to be very expensive) Beyond Visual Range Long Range Air to Air Missile is being contemplated.

On the technology front, the new Air Launched Anti-Shipping missile is off the concept board now, although much work remains until it even approaches prototype stage.

The two Allegiance Class GMDs under contructed are about halfway done, and the nation's top military advisors have convinced the new PM to continue construction on the two previously unfunded vessels. However, it has been made clear that until there is an event or need to justify billions of dollars in Naval improvement, no further GMDs will be constructed. The PM is open to much smaller Frigate designs.

Norway's 52 Leopard 2A5s are going up for sale, to be replaced by 50 C5A tanks. Within all of the militaries, older equipment is being phased out with standardized vehicles, a very expensive measure.

Aboard the NDV Skandinavien, the Anti-ASBM tests have gone very well, with an intercept rate of 95%. Out of the 200 simulations, one got through due to a computer fault that was corrected immediately after the test. However, the tests could not fire against real ASBMs due to a lack of them to fire upon.
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| December 20, 2010, 5:47 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
me? Whining? nay, I was just asking one question, not whining. Ok maybe it looked like I could have been, but I didn't mean it to. And It's spelt 'Philippines', not 'filip3nis' or whatever you typed.

I hope you're not talking to me. I said Filipino.
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| December 20, 2010, 7:51 pm
Well...anyways my fleet as reached that small islands nation. Negotiation have started and the fleet has been put on full alert.

The integration of Canada goes well, we will be done by Christmas eve.
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| December 20, 2010, 7:58 pm
You know those bullets that are hollow and are supposed to be really nasty? Well, we may start to produce those for our special forces... Also, with the Phillipeno people, well, I have no idea, because, they probably wouldn't choose either me or Danny to ally with that quick, so I have no idea how Danny is there without war. I, however, have been negotiating for a while now. I rest my case.
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| December 20, 2010, 8:30 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
You know those bullets that are hollow and are supposed to be really nasty? Well, we may start to produce those for our special forces... Also, with the Filipino people, well, I have no idea, because, they probably wouldn't choose either me or Danny to ally with that quick, so I have no idea how Danny is there without war. I, however, have been negotiating for a while now. I rest my case.

/subtle high five
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| December 20, 2010, 8:38 pm
In Alberta, the suburbs of Edmonton have been secured after heavy fighting throughout the weekend. Rebel Leaders have been contacted for a surrender, but no reply has been heard of.

In Hawaii, I'll give you the news since Friday.

On Saturday morning, as the sun rose it illuminated what damage the White Op soldiers had done Friday night. Ships were seen adrift in the bay, their connections to the docks severed during the night. Vehicles had their tires deflated, some slashed. Governor Morrison ordered the ships and vehicles fixed.

During Saturday afternoon, the Naval Task Force in the Pacific arrived above Hawaii, and the three Helicopter Landing Ships spread to the islands of Oahu, Maui, and the Big Island. MTH-1s and UH-60s delivered the Marine Task Force to the beaches, due to our lack of beach landing craft. The Snake-class will be hurried so we may have some for the next island.

On Saturday evening, John Hood arrived outside of Pearl Harbor and dropped the last of the Marines alongside the Special Operations soldiers, and with their combined force they wrestled control of the Harbor away from the Resistance, and into the PCU's hands. Throughout the night, the Marines began pushing east to strike Honolulu.

On Sunday morning, the John Hood moved to Honolulu, and began bombing the AAA and hastily made defenses with their MAF-2 Doves. Three Doves were downed during the air war though, but they'll come back into play later.

At around noon, the Marines reached the damaged Defenses and easily pushed through with their MT-1 Hoods. They then continued moving east until they only 3 miles from the City Center. A White Ops team was sent in with an MH-6, landing on the capital roof. Sadly, the Lt. Governor in charge of Oahu had already been killed by an earlier bombing raid.

CSAR teams worked from 10 A.M. to 1 P.M. to secure the pilots, but two of the three pilots were killed in a firefight during the rescue attempt.

On Sunday night, Oahu was deemed under PCU control through a surrender signed by the highest ranking officer of the Hawaiian Army on the island.

On Monday morning, Maui was deemed half-way under the PCU's influence, with the other half crumbling away due to no outside help.

On Tuesday morning, Maui was finished off. Total casualties since Saturday are now at 437 dead Marine/Air Force, and +650 Wounded.
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| December 20, 2010, 9:25 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
You know those bullets that are hollow and are supposed to be really nasty? Well, we may start to produce those for our special forces...

Hollow points. They're illegal for military use. Part of the Geneva Conventions.

As for exploding ones, St Petersburg Declaration. Nothing smaller than 15mm may be packed with explosives, I believe.
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| December 20, 2010, 9:26 pm
In The Commonwealth...
The production of all of our ships is going very well, and currently we are almost halfway done with our six Recluse-Class Cruisers. In light of the recent production of another aircraft carrier, or industry has been asked to build additional F-35 Cs to opperate on our newest carrier. Hopefully we will be able to produce the allotted amount of fighters before the carrier is completed. We are confident in our aircraft manufacturing industry to do so. The upgrading of the F-35 A to be a better fighter interceptor is going very well and is following right on schedule. Hopefully, we will be capable of producing the new "F-35 D" by early January. Finally The House of Lords has approved a bill to begin the privatization of health care. We will not imediately drop public healthcare, but instead we will slowly transfer control to the private sector. Those that cannot afford healthcare, those that are disabled, those that are members of the military, and those that are classified as senior citizens will continued to be covered indefinitely. Our government will not regulate and state what kind of coverage each person must have, the individual will have total control over what kind plan he/she wants. This will make the cost of healthcare lower, and lower taxes for our citizens. Note, that this must pass the House of Commons.
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| December 20, 2010, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Hollow points. They're illegal for military use. Part of the Geneva Conventions.

As for exploding ones, St Petersburg Declaration. Nothing smaller than 15mm may be packed with explosives, I believe.

Whose to say that the Geneva Convention or St. Petersburg Declaration exist anymore? Or that they are adhered to in whatever horrors grip the world in the near future?

I know a couple of folks that flagrantly disregarded those things in the last group. Since the UN (as fallacious and wholly inept an organization as it is) no longer exists, why should the accords?
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| December 21, 2010, 12:48 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Whose to say that the Geneva Convention or St. Petersburg Declaration exist anymore? Or that they are adhered to in whatever horrors grip the world in the near future?

I know a couple of folks that flagrantly disregarded those things in the last group. Since the UN (as fallacious and wholly inept an organization as it is) no longer exists, why should the accords?

Because nobody's said anything yet about them having been annulled.
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| December 21, 2010, 1:40 am
Why Am I in the Philippines without war? Because I am, (or was? I think Finn's given up...) defending a close country from the UKS.

I have no intentions of taking the Philippines. You know how Britain occupied some parts of Europe during WWII? Yeah, they weren't conquering those countries were they? (Rhetorical Question). Just because I am helping the Philippines out from the threat of invasion doesn't mean I'm conquering them.

So, why would I help the Philippines?
Two reasons:

1: If Finn takes the Philippines that leaves him in a good position to take my still unsettled, recently reunited Indonesia.

2: To get on friendly terms with the Philippines, hoping for a possible future ally... maybe. I can assure you, they were more than happy to have military support. Conquering is not fun for the one being conquered.

I hope that cleared up some doubts about the IU's integrity.

Seeing as I have no new updates to report, How about a brief history for Indonesia between 2010 and 2036?

Well, A huge civil war erupted in 2018, which went on for 3 years and eventually broke up most of Indonesia into a chaotic divided land. Java hoped to reunite Indonesia, so 10 years after the start of the civil war (and 7 years after it ended, in 2021) in 2028 Java turned over a new leaf and began negotiations with the scattered nations to reunite.

After 8 years of this, nothing changed. The countries were either 'ruled', or to be more exact, 'terrorized' by Power hungry Warlords or corrupt leaders, who did not want Indonesia to become a union, and were content with living in anarchy. Except Sumatra, the people there were so rebelious, no one could rule for longer than 10 days before backing out or being killed.

now here we are, 2036.

No more peaceful negotiations, time for a reunion! Using a careful selection of well trained soldiers and vehicles, the IU sought to release the nations of what was once Indonesia from the tyranny they live in.

Our first target were the Green Swords, a rogue militant faction that had taken control over West (and East) New Guinea, and several Australian Islands I believe. There is little left of them now.

I hope you found this informative.
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| December 21, 2010, 3:00 am
Since I can't think of anything else to do in midwinter with Alaska, I'mma make something up...

An anti-government resistance group set off a car bomb near our newly expanded facilities in Sitka, causing twelve civilian and two military personnel death and injuring many others. The terrorists then boarded a small skiff and began to speed off among the small island chain that separates Sitka Harbor from the Pacific Ocean, with an Alaska coast guard vessel in hot pursuit. The coast guard realized that in the fog and severe winter conditions, their chances of catching the terrorists were slim, and called for backup. The UAH-1s, due to the severe coastal weather were unable to respond, an A-10 and two HH-60 Jayhawks were scrambled to track down the fleeing criminals. The helicopters found the terrorist's empty skiff pulled into a bay on a small island. They were unable to locate the terrorists in the island. A blockade has been set up around the island, and special forces from the Kenai squadron will be deployed ASAP.
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| December 21, 2010, 5:14 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Whose to say that the Geneva Convention or St. Petersburg Declaration exist anymore? Or that they are adhered to in whatever horrors grip the world in the near future?


Because some people will go against these rules and then whine about it when it's turned on them. coughTexascough21stcenturycough


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| December 21, 2010, 5:28 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Finn C-Q
You know those bullets that are hollow and are supposed to be really nasty? Well, we may start to produce those for our special forces...

Hollow points. They're illegal for military use. Part of the Geneva Conventions.

As for exploding ones, St Petersburg Declaration. Nothing smaller than 15mm may be packed with explosives, I believe.

I know, but I am not saying they would be used by regulars
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| December 21, 2010, 6:00 pm
Quoting Jake H.
/subtle high five

/nods
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| December 21, 2010, 6:01 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
I know, but I am not saying they would be used by regulars

I don't actually think it matters if you only give the bullets to spec ops guys, the same laws still apply (I think)
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| December 21, 2010, 6:03 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I hope you found this informative.

Mind you, I have more threats than you to worry about. I am not likely to conquer you since that would leave me vulnerable to others. I don't want to go to war. I have to keep pressing that I never said I was conquring it, so why must you insist that you are, let us say, "protecting" it?
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| December 21, 2010, 6:05 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I don't actually think it matters if you only give the bullets to spec ops guys, the same laws still apply (I think)

I know, but I am saying if I do use them, then I won't use them in normal situations
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| December 21, 2010, 6:09 pm
Constructive of the Kirabiti naval base goes well. Not only will this base help connect the S.U. to Korea, but it will allow us to station up to 3/4ths of our fleet.
KC runway-75%Dry docks-just starting
Artificial bay-just starting
After we have completed the artificial bay and the necessary dry docks, etc. We will begin encouraging tourism and expanding the island.
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| December 21, 2010, 6:19 pm
In the CDC, work on the desalinization projects are well ahead of schedule, and there is talk about completing them before the new year. We have begun work on a new radar/jamming system, and we are experimenting with fixing cold war era systems on spare aircraft, to create a "cloaking" effect on nearby aircraft. This project is still in it's early phases, and may not get off the drawing boards just yet, however.
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| December 21, 2010, 6:19 pm
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Landfall has been made by the Danes today in a remote site in Greenland, far above the Arctic Circle. The lone helicopter on board the Brigand ferried three squads of WC marines ashore 5 km from the Danish position, all equipped with heavy winter gear carried on the ship’s Emergency and Preparedness store. A sniper scouted ahead through a heavy blizzard, and found a huge geo-thermal complex, half-buried in the frozen wasteland. Ordering satellite passes of the region, it was found to be indistinguishable from the terrain. Two of the squads infiltrated the complex while the third stayed outside. They were shocked by what they saw. Coming right out of a sci-fi movie, the entire complex was filled with computers and large screens which flashed status information. A quick look over the entire area revealed far more personnel than could be manning the ships and the complex simultaneously; there had to be a separate crew manning this as well. Falling back outside, the marines radioed their find back to the Brigand. Denmark will be notified, and drastic measures will be taken against these rogues.

In other news, both the Houston and Great Falls completed powered trials today. The Great Falls' port engine failed, but was repaired. It seems that engine had a gear that had a tendency to slip back into neutral. Trials on the antiaircraft batteries and the Phalanx guns was completed on each vessel. The Lexington's deck has been completed, and its nuclear generator is nearing about 70% completion.

The WCS Denver, hosting the naval trials of the F-29 & 89 suffered superficial damage when an F-29's landing gear failed causing it to slough around and hit the superstructure. The pilot suffered first and second-degree burns to his legs before he escaped and the fire was put out. An investigation has been launched into the matter; hydraulics are thought to be the culprit. The F-89 trials occurred yesterday and this morning safely, and that fighter has been cleared for carrier duty.

For clarification purposes, the earlier mentioned 'destroyer' and 'battleship' production has been rolled into one program for battleships only. Missile ships will later make way onto the scene, but otherwise that's it. Oh, and three fleet oilers are on order.

The Western Confederation has officially dissolved its adherence to the Geneva Convention. We have adopted a Code amongst our men and officers, that they have:

"A Duty to God and Country, to obey your conscience as you would an officer's orders. To stand up against wrong, and to uphold the weak. To treat the vanquished as your brother, and the downtrodden as your friend."
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| December 21, 2010, 6:38 pm
In Alberta, Edmtonton is ready to be assaulted. All roads heading out of/in to the city have been secured, and daily bombing runs have been carried out to flush out probable hiding spots.

In Oklahoma, the first 100 pilots have been admitted to the Air Force from the Air Force Training Center. They are being sent to British Columbia to an AFB, and then sent into their first Combat Mission over Alberta.

In Hawaii, Maui and Oahu have fully surrendered. All troops not necessary to hold the islands have been sent to the Big Island for the assault on it. That invasion is expected to take several weeks.
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| December 21, 2010, 7:39 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Mind you, I have more threats than you to worry about. I am not likely to conquer you since that would leave me vulnerable to others. I don't want to go to war. I have to keep pressing that I never said I was conquring it, so why must you insist that you are, let us say, "protecting" it?

You wanted to ally with the Philippines first, but the Admins said you couldn't. so you then said you are planning to 'take' the Philippines.

I assumed 'take' meant to invade and conquer.
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| December 21, 2010, 8:02 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Finn C-Q
You know those bullets that are hollow and are supposed to be really nasty? Well, we may start to produce those for our special forces...

Hollow points. They're illegal for military use. Part of the Geneva Conventions.

As for exploding ones, St Petersburg Declaration. Nothing smaller than 15mm may be packed with explosives, I believe.
I'm not positive that this is correct, but as far as I understood the Earth is in a somewhat state of anarchy right now. The only international laws are what the neigboring country chooses to enforce. If someone uses chemicals to poison an enemy, I'm sure someone in the vicinity is gonna take action against it. As far as hollow bullets go, I don't think anybody will stop him from using them.

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| December 21, 2010, 9:12 pm
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Break out the flamethrowers. In the event of any future war, if weapons of questionable morality are used on me, I won't hesitate to use them back.

In China:
-Taiwan in the process of union.
-War continues in the south, forces press on into Guangdong and the rest of Hunan.
-All that other stuff.
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| December 21, 2010, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Awesome-o-saurus, taking care of China's overpopulation problem, one province at a time.


*Cue sinister organ music and lightning*
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| December 21, 2010, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Break out the flamethrowers. In the event of any future war, if weapons of questionable morality are used on me, I won't hesitate to use them back.

Hey, you're welcome to them; I love 'em too. Just remember the time honored military tradition for captured flamers: Summary execution.
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| December 22, 2010, 12:40 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Break out the flamethrowers. In the event of any future war, if weapons of questionable morality are used on me, I won't hesitate to use them back.

Hey, you're welcome to them; I love 'em too. Just remember the time honored military tradition for captured flamers: Summary execution.


Fair enough. I'll go get my pyros and arsonists. There's bound to be plenty in a population this big.
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| December 22, 2010, 12:54 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Fair enough. I'll go get my pyros and arsonists. There's bound to be plenty in a population this big.

Yep, what a way to go, though. The tool of awesome and vast destruction one moment, and instantaneous death the next.

At least they don't usually torch you for your efforts, then they'd have to kill the guy who killed you, then kill the guy who killed the guy who killed you...
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| December 22, 2010, 1:04 am
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Since we are on the topic of treaties, the UFS will continue to uphold the Geneva convention, but we will no longer observe the Cluster-Bomb proliferation treaty. Simultaneously, we will begin very low rate research on new "dumb" cluster bomb designs, to restock our arsenel with these ghastly, yet highly effective, weapons.
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| December 22, 2010, 9:03 am
The S.U. will be following the UFS in the research of cluster bombs, we will also be offering all of our arsonists government jobs.
>.>
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With the runway complete a KC has been loaded up with supplies, engineers, scientist, etc.
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| December 22, 2010, 9:52 am
The PCU will hold up the Geneva Convention until we don't care for it anymore. However, if an enemy wishes to use outlawed weapons and tactics against us, make no mistake that the favor can and will be returned.


In San Diego, the HGS Ronald Reagan and the HGS Carl Vinson are being loaded with the MAF-1 Goshawk and the MAF-2 Dove. We expect the ships to be fully loaded with the crew, their supplies, weapons, and planes by January 1st.

In Washington, the HGS Abraham Lincoln and the HGS John C. Stennis are being refitted to hold more planes than the standard Nimitz class carrier. The plan is to raise capacity from 90 Planes/Helicopters to 110 Planes/Helicopters. Estimates place the renovations to begin January 1st and end February 22nd.


In Oregon, the HGS Nimitz was docked in Astoria for a special event that let PCU citizens inside the ship and learn how it works. Security is on hand in case of trouble-makers.

In Hawaii, the PCU has secured Pearl Harbor and Pacifican Navy personnel will begin moving there beginning January 10th.



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| December 22, 2010, 11:01 am
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Today, in the Western Confederation:

After a brief conference with Denmark, the Danes reacted with haste. The pursuit fleet is making for Greenland at flanking speeds, but they will be too late. A second infiltration to the complex revealed that a weapons system of gigantic proportions was being readied for deployment within the day. The marines were discovered shortly thereafter, and a viscous firefight ensued. Two marines were killed before they could egress. The helicopter ignored the SAMs from the Danish ships and risked everything to extract the marines from the shelling of the ships. Miraculously, the SAMs failed to track effectively in the climate, and the marines were evacuated safely. The Western Confederation, after deliberation with the Danes, authorized Halls to "Attack with extreme prejudice to destroy the compound and to sink or take aprize the Danish ships." Thus leaving the admiral to dispose of the enemy as he saw fit. Wasting no time, he launched three cruise missiles at the compound, taking the long way around to avoid anti-missile defenses on the Danish ships. All three struck home, making a terrific blast that was magnified by humongous secondary explosions. The two Danish ships gave chase, and only superb handling and the state-of-the-art Phalanx guns saved the Brigand. Returning fire, one vessel was struck in the superstructure, and the other had several missile bays put out of commission by anti-shipping missiles. Captain Christensen put up the white flag moments later.

The WC's decision to disband the Geneva Convention has by no means made us heartless on the battlefield. We will use whichever weapon is most effective for the job when we see fit. However, our new Code will dictate how we treat our enemies and our prisoners.

The Houston has taken delivery of its aircraft, and is in the process of taking on its crew. Once they get themselves situated, the ship will get underway. The Great Falls will, as stated previously, wait for the new aircraft. An entire regiment of regular infantry (3,000), and an armored brigade (short at 20 tanks and 40 other vehicles) have reported to Corpus Christi. Since the trials have been completed for the F-89 & 29, the WCS Denver has had its arsenal replenished (along with 3 F-29s and 4 F-89s which will replace the F-35) and is waiting alongside the Houston.

A fleet is gathering in Corpus Christi and at Houston Harbor (est. 2017) composed of:
WCS Houston
WCS Denver
4 Cyclone-class patrol ships
1 Austin-class LPD
1 Virginia-class submarine
4 CG cutters
5 merchant marine freighters
It will set sail as soon as all men and machines are aboard, hopefully tomorrow.
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| December 22, 2010, 11:55 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, in the Western Confederation:


/Ghetto Acticity voice: "Da heII... Da heII..? HE DONE BUILT A PLOT!"
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| December 22, 2010, 1:00 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
/Ghetto Acticity voice: "Da heII... Da heII..? HE DONE BUILT A PLOT!"

Yes, I have. And I saved the world (or at least Europe) so you all can thank me now...and shower me with gifts...
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| December 22, 2010, 2:25 pm
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On the Caucasus front, a rather embarrassing defeat was witnessed over the course of the past 72 hours. What was hopefully to be a rather decisive grab at Kalinovskaya ended up bathing our boys in blood. The medium armour sent from south ended up being halted by rather poor weather and several false threats of IEDs. In haste of wanting another victory, the local brass sent ahead the mechanized infantry to clear the skirts of the city. Little resistance was sustained during this period and forward communications station was established to sift through all the air strike calls upon the city hearth. Again, the brass pressed into the city without armoured support and coalition forces were caught in a storm of MG, RPG, and IED fire. The Chechens were more than capable in this go with a great number of veterans being in the area to finally make their mark on our numbers. Essentially trapping Federation forces in pockets, the Chechens began picking off any exposed personnel. After roughly eight hours of casualty calls, dense airborne munitions displacement allowed allied forces to withdraw. Presently, the forces in the area are licking their wounds and awaiting the promised armour.

Near Urus-Martan, a different story was witnessed with the lesser assault force being able to capture a majority of the area in 48 hours. It would seem the Republic lacks an organized mobilization routine seeing as though there was only a small fraction of the expected forces actually present in the city. The main casualty-maker was the IED of course. Exposed forces were unfortunately subject to VBIEDs and sporadic sniper fire; medical services were still more than capable of stabilizing most of said casualties.

Anyhow, with mixed results, the Federation continues its presence and hopeful success in the region. Also, the continuous victories essentially reduce the number of terrorists attacks at home with fewer rebels being capable of serving such flaunting attacks.

On a technological standpoint, the Federation has begun the investment of more advanced applique armor. The lagging pace of development over the past few years has been deemed unacceptable for the progressive ratios of other parts of the globe. In all grand aspirations, the armor should be cheaper to manufacture, more effective, and much lighter.

The ATGM program has seen some light as well with much of the design being learnt from past lessons from systems like the Javelin and He||fire. We should have the first prototypical launch unit done within a few weeks and the actual munition a bit after that. In accordance with the above armor development, this program should compliment a new evolution in Russian armour and according systems.

On a latter note, all previous combative policies of the former Federation shall be withheld with slight modifications that will be made over time and with accordance to any foes that chose to make things difficult. Of course the Federation may call upon the nations of the world to make more progressive international treaties as to reduce hassle and provoke more stability, but this a development that is not yet made mature.
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| December 22, 2010, 4:29 pm
In my part of the world the location of "Blue Atoll" has been revealed... Johnston Island. The amount of fortifications is unreleased, but it does include AA. All millitary flights will be under survailence and will be shot down if hostile.
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| December 22, 2010, 5:13 pm
In the CDC, development of the Razorback AA system has been completed, and we will produce 250 of them. With oil refineries cropping up on all of our islands, and gas prices at an all team low, our auto industry is experiencing a large boom, and many citizens are purchasing automobiles. Testing of the Modular Combat Uniform is almost complete, and we are compiling last minute data for our final analysis. Vehicle mounted varients of our new communications equipment are being toyed with, and a team of engineers are working on a system that can remotely operate armored vehicles and other equipment. We do not have any plans to implement this most likely very expensive concept just yet, but training centers are watching it.
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| December 22, 2010, 6:02 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
In my part of the world the location of "Blue Atoll" has been revealed... Johnston Island. The amount of fortifications is unreleased, but it does include AA. All millitary flights will be under survailence and will be shot down if hostile.

/Facepalm

Well, thank you for building me a base, I really appreciate it!

From ICF IV:
Ultramarine:
"I'll be ambitious here and make some claims too:

Wake Atoll
Midway
Palmyra Atoll
Johnston Atoll"

And no, I haven't changed it to include that, 'cause I'm not a mod or admin. I made those claims before you started building there in ICF V. I wondered where you were going to from Wake, why didn't you just tell me?
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| December 22, 2010, 7:53 pm
- Navy Marines were sent out to Suluwesi in an attempt to blockade a shipment of illegal weapons from leaving a bay near Manado.

- More IU forces prepare for the worst as the re-uniting of Sulawesi will soon take place, and the Warlords are not going to simply give up their country.

- Forces occupying the Philippines begin shipping back to Java and Borneo as the threat of the UKS decreases.

- 5 civilians who were on a camping outing were killed by IU military police, as they docked their boat on a military test island, ignoring the huge signs that clearly said in 4 different languages including English and Indonesian 'Intruders will be shot on sight'. The IU gained some bad press from this, but President Huruwei states that this tragedy is no fault but the own victims.
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| December 22, 2010, 8:04 pm
On the recent issue of The Geneva Convention, The Commonwealth will abide to it except on the bans on cluster munitions and mines. Currently developement has begun on an anti-submarine sea mine.
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| December 22, 2010, 9:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
/Facepalm

Well, thank you for building me a base, I really appreciate it!

From ICF IV:
Ultramarine:
"I'll be ambitious here and make some claims too:

Wake Atoll
Midway
Palmyra Atoll
Johnston Atoll"

And no, I haven't changed it to include that, 'cause I'm not a mod or admin. I made those claims before you started building there in ICF V. I wondered where you were going to from Wake, why didn't you just tell me?

Danny's doing the same thing to Finn.
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| December 22, 2010, 10:28 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Danny's doing the same thing to Finn.

What da...?
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| December 22, 2010, 10:30 pm
no but seriously jake, what you on about now?
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| December 22, 2010, 10:33 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
You wanted to ally with the Philippines first, but the Admins said you couldn't. so you then said you are planning to 'take' the Philippines.

I assumed 'take' meant to invade and conquer.

Ahem, what they said was that, if I wanted to, it would take a while, there for, I said by January, it would be a peaceful integration
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| December 22, 2010, 10:37 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Ahem, what they said was that, if I wanted to, it would take a while, there for, I said by January, it would be a peaceful integration

like I said YOU said you would 'Take' the Philippines.

and anyway, the admins said annexing a country completly unrelated to yo takes 3 months. so you're looking at March 2011.
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| December 22, 2010, 10:39 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Finn C-Q
You know those bullets that are hollow and are supposed to be really nasty? Well, we may start to produce those for our special forces...

Hollow points. They're illegal for military use. Part of the Geneva Conventions.

As for exploding ones, St Petersburg Declaration. Nothing smaller than 15mm may be packed with explosives, I believe.
I'm not positive that this is correct, but as far as I understood the Earth is in a somewhat state of anarchy right now. The only international laws are what the neigboring country chooses to enforce. If someone uses chemicals to poison an enemy, I'm sure someone in the vicinity is gonna take action against it. As far as hollow bullets go, I don't think anybody will stop him from using them.

However, WHEN, is another matter. People will be all like- "Dude ur me@n don't do that"
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| December 22, 2010, 10:40 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
like I said YOU said you would 'Take' the Philippines.

and anyway, the admins said annexing a country completly unrelated to yo takes 3 months. so you're looking at March 2011.

I said it in October/Novemberish. I NEVER said I was going to "take" it.
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| December 22, 2010, 10:42 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
I said it in October/Novemberish. I NEVER said I was going to "take" it.

/facepalm
yes you did.
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| December 22, 2010, 10:43 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
/facepalm
yes you did.

/facedesk

I have no knowlage of saying that
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| December 22, 2010, 10:51 pm
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Brikkr and Ultramarine:

Since you two want a solution here it is.

Brikkr should have control of it because he actually did work there (although it was impossible for Ultra to know the location). Actions speak louder than words in this group, and considering that neither Erik or I have seen Ultra posting on what he is doing on Johnston Atoll, the territory goes to Brikkr.

However, feel free to fight over it (with one another).
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| December 22, 2010, 10:52 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
/facedesk

I have no knowlage of saying that

/quad face paw

look through all your comments in the last month then.
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| December 22, 2010, 10:54 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
no but seriously jake, what you on about now?

Finn: Imma take the Philippines dey be MINE
You: Imma take the Phillipines
You NUCANHAZ
Finn: :L
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| December 22, 2010, 11:28 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Finn: Imma take the Philippines dey be MINE
You: Imma take the Phillipines
You NUCANHAZ
Finn: :L

...

I don't want the Philippines...

yeah I edited this comment to stop people from being confused.
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| December 22, 2010, 11:32 pm
Quoting Thomas N
How about neither of you gets the Philippines? You haven't given one good reason why a separate, self-sustaining country would want to give up independence and join either of your countries, other than you just saying they want to.

What this looks like to me is pure imperialism, and empires, if you hadn't noticed, died out in the 20th century.

And this is supposed to be a more realistic group, yet all people seem to think about is "more land, more land," without putting reason behind it.

/Facepalm

I DON'T WANT THE PHILIPPINES, I just don't want Finn to have them either.
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| December 23, 2010, 12:18 am
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Quoting Thomas N

And this is supposed to be a more realistic group, yet all people seem to think about is "more land, more land," without putting reason behind it.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I have every reason to take my land. But this comment wasn't aimed at me, was it?
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| December 23, 2010, 1:21 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I have every reason to take my land. But this comment wasn't aimed at me, was it?

same, I'm reuniting Indonesia. People think I'm trying to take the Philippines, but I'm not.
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| December 23, 2010, 2:31 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
/Facepalm

Well, thank you for building me a base, I really appreciate it!

From ICF IV:
Ultramarine:
"I'll be ambitious here and make some claims too:

Wake Atoll
Midway
Palmyra Atoll
Johnston Atoll"

And no, I haven't changed it to include that, 'cause I'm not a mod or admin. I made those claims before you started building there in ICF V. I wondered where you were going to from Wake, why didn't you just tell me?

Oh sorry. I missed that.
Can I still keep Johnston? You have Midway for refueling and I could have Johnston?
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| December 23, 2010, 9:04 am
On accords of the Geneva Conference it has been decided to ignore the cluster-bomb and mine laws. All else is in effect.
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| December 23, 2010, 9:09 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Brikkr and Ultramarine:

Since you two want a solution here it is.

Brikkr should have control of it because he actually did work there (although it was impossible for Ultra to know the location). Actions speak louder than words in this group, and considering that neither Erik or I have seen Ultra posting on what he is doing on Johnston Atoll, the territory goes to Brikkr.

However, feel free to fight over it (with one another).

Funny, in the last group it was "Claim first, hold for a bit, then build." I don't know how many times my head was bitten off because I tried to take something someone claimed.

Quoting Brikkr ™
Oh sorry. I missed that.
Can I still keep Johnston? You have Midway for refueling and I could have Johnston?

Well, since you've already done so much, how about you buy it from me? It was my territory. Otherwise, I might do it to you someday for payback under a 'secret project.'
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| December 23, 2010, 11:17 am
Confederate soldiers suffered a terrible defeat today near Chicago, Illinois. While on patrol, 24 soldiers were ambushed by members of an unspecified gang. The gang was apparently heavily armed, in the radio reports you can distinctively hear rocket fire coming at our troops. No one survived and two M113's were destroyed. Immediately after we lost contact we sent out a helicopter group to search for them.
We found all of the bodies in a pile set fire, unclothed. This gang has officially declared war against the Confederacy, and when they are uncovered they will be punished.
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| December 23, 2010, 12:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, since you've already done so much, how about you buy it from me? It was my territory. Otherwise, I might do it to you someday for payback under a 'secret project.'
Sorry I didn't see it on your claim list. I'll buy it.

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| December 23, 2010, 1:07 pm
@Thomas: Or it can be united if we see the fall of the Democratic government to the South.
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| December 23, 2010, 2:38 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Funny, in the last group it was "Claim first, hold for a bit, then build." I don't know how many times my head was bitten off because I tried to take something someone claimed.


This ain't the last group, bro.
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| December 23, 2010, 2:59 pm
War Update
Fighting in Vanuatu continues, and more jungle regiments are securing more and more strongpoints of the terrorists. Recently, a large prison camp was found and secured, but what 3rd battalion found was horrifying. We found hundreds of our troops dead that had been captured. Some were still alive though, and the whole prison camp was abandoned. The defenders probably retreated into the jungle, and maybe to a large, heavily defended fortress that our intelligence found out. The next operation were probably be
taking that large fort in the jungle.

Other News
-We are focusing less on the conflict between the UKS and the IU. And people, Danny is NOT trying to conquer the Philippines.
-We are creating a new light battle tank for serious jungle fighting.
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| December 23, 2010, 3:02 pm
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In joint cooperation with the UFS, Russia has begun an investment in both e-textiles and an integrated combatant fighting system. These two items will be included in one (presently unnamed) program that aims to lighten the load of the individual soldier, but to also combined him into a vast military network with more efficient data transference. The pay-off will be enormous if all goes well seeing as though more microtechnologies will then be available for future use and logistical inefficiencies will be erased from future combative partaking.

Also, another bill has been past to research lighter and more effective field engineering materials. This will include floatable bridge materials, lighter deployable bridges, more powerful composite explosives, and everything else in-between.
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| December 23, 2010, 4:12 pm
Quoting Thomas N


Korea was also a cohesive body at one point, and could be again, provided we witness the fall of the communist government in the north.

However, Korea has nothing at all to do with The Philippines, the latter has no reason the join the former, (especially because the dominant Muslim religion there contrasts so sharply with Korea). The only reason I see for Finn trying to grab the Philippines is to make himself look bigger on the map, which is not the point of this group.

I agree with your latter statement, however for Korea to ever be united this century, you'd have to either exterminate or brainwash most of North Korea.

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| December 23, 2010, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Because a dictatorship is just that much more likely to last...


Half a century isn't bad for hereditary rule that is pretending not to be one.
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| December 23, 2010, 6:48 pm
Seems some of the PRC stragglers have been hopping over the border. Naughty-naughty.
Hopefully our new eye in the sky will put a stop to that.

(In case you're wondering, I have Baikonur. That means I have rockets.)
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| December 23, 2010, 7:16 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You're just reuniting most of China, which was a cohesive body previously anyway.

Korea was also a cohesive body at one point, and could be again, provided we witness the fall of the communist government in the north.

However, Korea has nothing at all to do with The Philippines, the latter has no reason the join the former, (especially because the dominant Muslim religion there contrasts so sharply with Korea). The only reason I see for Finn trying to grab the Philippines is to make himself look bigger on the map, which is not the point of this group.

Actually, thats not my aim, it's to be more defencive against otherpowers. But if the admins must incist, i'll drop it
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| December 23, 2010, 8:04 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Seems some of the PRC stragglers have been hopping over the border. Naughty-naughty.


Feel free to conveniently dispose of them for us.

Quoting Finn C-Q
Actually, thats not my aim, it's to be more defencive against otherpowers. But if the admins must incist, i'll drop it


They're not going to force you to drop it. The only way they can do that is by invading. I say, do as you will there, and dare anyone else to do something about it. That's how I roll.


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| December 23, 2010, 9:14 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The mistake you're making is believing that the people really support their dictator. The only thing keeping North Korean citizens in line is fear, if someone were to eliminate the command structure, the whole power structure of their government collapses, and the people are left mostly to themselves. Eventually, in a life without the fear of the totally-suppressive government they currently have, free-thinking will get the better of people.

It's not totally fear anymore, a lot of people there actually believe what the government says. The children now are more brainwashed than before.
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| December 23, 2010, 11:30 pm
Now I know why half the people in this group were criticizing me for being in the philippines: nearly ALL of you thought my only motive was to take them before Finn did. Sorry for not making my intentions more clear. I was merely defending a neighboring country from being land-grabbed by a nation that had no business there.
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| December 23, 2010, 11:49 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation:

The Danish vessels were boarded minutes after the fighting ended, and were sailed south to meet up with the pursuing Danish fleet. Captain Christensen had been wounded in the battle, and succumbed to his wounds before the fleets met. The Danish crews were put under arrest the moment the three ships rendezvoused with the Danish Home Fleet. The Danish commander invited assistance of the Brigand in the escort of the two rogue ships home. When they arrived in port, the Danish admiral now in command told Halls "It turns out that there grew a sect of officers in the navy after WWII that was determined to protect Denmark at all costs from European invasion in the future; but their dreams ended with the loss of the component ZED-115, the most vital component. Secret bases were built in Greenland, and everything was done with such secrecy that we were all blinded. They got anxious with recent worldwide tensions. They saw that the moment was right and wooed you in when you visited us earlier this year. Everything was staged from the beginning, the sale of the ships, the mission in the Pacific, the distress call, all preying on your distrust of the other European powers. You were the perfect pawn, not that you were by any means gullible, but just trusting. Capt. Christensen planted his men in your land to feed you more untruths everyday." Halls was astonished, but said he understood how everything fit. "We urgently hope you will remain our good friends in this world." Halls guaranteed that they would. "Oh, and we do feel terrible about the two ships, but we would like to make it up to you with two of our older ones..." Later that day, in front of the Parliament, the chariman: "He did WHAT?" "Yes, sir. As soon as I mentioned 'Ships,' he ran, screaming, back to the Brigand. I never did see a ship set sail faster in all my life..."

The WCS Brigand will be returning back to Texas as soon as she stops in Greenland to recover her dead, or their remains, which was left in the compound.

The fleet set sail from Corpus Christi, being joined by the vessels from Houston after 30 minutes. They are heading for Central America, and we urge anyone with claims (that can be substantiated by previous quotations in former ICFs) to Central America to come forward or forever hold your peace.

Quoting Brikkr ™
Sorry I didn't see it on your claim list. I'll buy it.

I think $5 Million is a good price? The possible strategic positioning of the island cannot be underestimated, you know.
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| December 24, 2010, 12:55 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

This ain't the last group, bro.

Tell me about it. Would you mind de-modding my comment?
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| December 24, 2010, 12:57 am
In Samoa, we have advanced into the towns near the bay but are bogged down by artillery fire. A Christmas Truce was reached today. Also, all troops are getting a raise.
Venezuela is at 15% Integration, and the President was tried and sentenced to life in Jail. I dont believe in the Death Sentence.
$5 Mil. has been wired to the WC for Johnston.
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| December 24, 2010, 8:01 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
$5 Mil. has been wired to the WC for Johnston.

Thank you! By the way, do you have any claims in Central America you'd like to let me know about (that you have previously claimed)? Figured you're pretty much the only one that would. I'll be invading somewhere down there very shortly.
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| December 24, 2010, 10:28 am
In the Confederation we've halted all combat operations to celebrate Christmas.
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| December 24, 2010, 10:39 am
The Australia Republic is also postponing the assault on a major terrorist fortress in Vanuatu until New Year's to celebrate Christmas.
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| December 24, 2010, 11:31 am
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I must admit, I don't read either Ulra's or Tom's stories involving Denmark because, honestly, the bear no weight. Say all you want about individuals, but unless you control them neither of you have the right to make stuff up.

But I did read Ultra's latest story element, and I find it disturbing how there would be a faction that wants to protect from European invasion, and then dont care at all that they were just involved in a huge chase with an American power.

Moving along from my opinions,

Due to the imminent invasion, the UFS has grounded all travel to South America because someone is about to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. (Oh how I'm going to take alot of Flak for this statement).

Work on the Attack helicopter has continued, and is now on its 2nd airworthy prototype, and it represents a large departure from the previous design.

More to come later.

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| December 24, 2010, 11:35 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Feel free to conveniently dispose of them for us.

Quoting Finn C-Q
Actually, thats not my aim, it's to be more defencive against otherpowers. But if the admins must incist, i'll drop it


They're not going to force you to drop it. The only way they can do that is by invading. I say, do as you will there, and dare anyone else to do something about it. That's how I roll.


I am trying to do it peacefully, unlike my friend Danny, who insists I am doing it violently
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| December 24, 2010, 2:28 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Due to the imminent invasion, the UFS has grounded all travel to South America because someone is about to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. (Oh how I'm going to take alot of Flak for this statement).



The S.U. also expresses their...extreme displeasure at the Ultra
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| December 24, 2010, 3:32 pm
The Confederate states remain neutral on all foreign matters except the Philippines, we believe no one nation in Asia, side from China is big enough to just take them over.

I find it strange how Ultramarine is criticized for going into Central America, but I have not been criticized for going to Venezuela.
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| December 24, 2010, 3:46 pm
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Quoting Will G.

I find it strange how Ultramarine is criticized for going into Central America, but I have not been criticized for going to Venezuela.


I must have missed that. The UFS also criticizes this action as well.
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| December 24, 2010, 4:09 pm
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Quoting Will G.
The Confederate states remain neutral on all foreign matters except the Philippines, we believe no one nation in Asia, side from China is big enough to just take them over.


It's because we're awesome.

In China:
-War as usual, slow progress in the south.
-Taiwan undergoing gradual integration.
-Keep on churnin out those tanks, planes, helicopters, and whatever else we may need.
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| December 24, 2010, 4:13 pm
Quoting Will G.
The Confederate states remain neutral on all foreign matters except the Philippines, we believe no one nation in Asia, side from China is big enough to just take them over.

I find it strange how Ultramarine is criticized for going into Central America, but I have not been criticized for going to Venezuela.

Well for one, Ultra will go all out, and also, you're in the south, as Florida you're close to SA.
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| December 24, 2010, 4:13 pm
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As of 0830 hours this morning, the Georgian government has announced a formal declaration of war against the Federation. This came to little surprise as airborne reconnaissance in the form of UAVs witnessed the force mobilization of several mechanized and armoured divisions near legal Federation boundaries. In retaliation, coalition forces in S. Ossetia and Abkhazia have begun a joint air-artillery strike upon enemy targets near our shared borders in order to soften up the areas for the arriving Federation armour. Until that time, we have been forced to hold our own in the rather hostile terrain of N. Ossetia and Ingushetia where supply routes are presently limited due to the neighboring conflict in the Caucasus Republic. More news shall be announced later.
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| December 24, 2010, 9:20 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I must have missed that. The UFS also criticizes this action as well.

You might find this shocking; but I couldn't care less.

Don't you see how I even solve the controversy of the two ships so nicely?
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| December 24, 2010, 11:14 pm
In the CDC, nearly 80% of military and other government personnel are receiving a 48 hour leave for the Holidays. Development of the UH-71 is almost complete, and several prototypes have been sent to Air Cav units for testing. Several hundred airplanes are being taken out of storage and are being restored and modernized to an extent.
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| December 24, 2010, 11:28 pm
Well, not much news, other than MERRY CHRISTMAS
/early timing
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| December 24, 2010, 11:31 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I must have missed that. The UFS also criticizes this action as well.

Good, I was hoping to give a good reply back to a legitimate state that maturely reasons with the views of others. I would like to explain that my presence in Venezuela was to aid Brazil in their conquest of South America and overthrow the communist regime. We also get 10% of the oil product and most of the military vehicles left intact.
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| December 24, 2010, 11:37 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Well, not much news, other than MERRY CHRISTMAS
/early timing

Hmm. Do you guys still have the giant South Korean tree on the old DMZ?
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| December 24, 2010, 11:57 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You might find this shocking; but I couldn't care less.

Don't you see how I even solve the controversy of the two ships so nicely?


If you havn't noticed, I like to use flamboyant political language when talking, in reality, I'm not surprised that you turned that whole charade into anti-European propaganda.

Oh, and Merry Christmas everybody!
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| December 25, 2010, 10:12 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Thank you! By the way, do you have any claims in Central America you'd like to let me know about (that you have previously claimed)? Figured you're pretty much the only one that would. I'll be invading somewhere down there very shortly.

Well I was about to begin negotiations with Guatemala but I got sidetracked.
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| December 25, 2010, 12:13 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Well I was about to begin negotiations with Guatemala but I got sidetracked.

What about Nicaragua?

And Merry Christmas everyone!
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| December 25, 2010, 1:49 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Korea allows Christmas?

The dominant religion in S. Korea is Christianity.
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| December 25, 2010, 1:49 pm
Quoting Will G.
Hmm. Do you guys still have the giant South Korean tree on the old DMZ?

Probably, along with A city
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| December 25, 2010, 5:15 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I was talking about N. Korea
Sure. I was saying it mostly as a standard thing to da group
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| December 25, 2010, 5:17 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Korea allows Christmas?

Lol.

The IU would like to make it clear to the world that we are not going to participate in this collapsing of the geneva conventions thing about using illegal weapons.

We are perfectly happy with our standard weapon, and have no need to deploy weapons that cause unnecessary pain, humiliation, or gruesomeness.
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| December 25, 2010, 5:25 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Lol.

The IU would like to make it clear to the world that we are not going to participate in this collapsing of the geneva conventions thing about using illegal weapons.

We are perfectly happy with our standard weapon, and have no need to deploy weapons that cause unnecessary pain, humiliation, or gruesomeness.
Are you infering something?

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| December 25, 2010, 5:38 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Quoting Danny Morgan
We are perfectly happy with our standard weapon, and have no need to deploy weapons that cause unnecessary pain, humiliation, or gruesomeness.
Are you infering something?


Yes. He's inferring that he's a morally superior person for not causing unnecessary pain when a normal bullet works fine, and calling you out for your wanton cruelty. The Evil League of Evil approves only actions sanctioned by the Evil Overlord's List.

Quoting Thomas N
Merry Christmas One and all! And God bless us, everyone! (cookie to the first person to get that reference).


A Christmas Carol?

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| December 25, 2010, 5:45 pm
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Time for a real post:
Today in the Western Confederation:

Construction of all sized hangars has been started on Midway Is. Thanks to prefabrication, this won't take long. More workers were needed than were anticipated, another 100 combat engineers were flown in on the new runway. AA and AAA guns were put in place (about 20 40mm radar-guided guns, and 10 SAM sites) to defend the islands. Several piers have also been fabricated, to be strengthened later against typhoons. Later projects will include gasoline storage tanks (both aviation and naval) as well as oil and a radar site. It will not serve as a production facility, but as a base and anchorage. Quite the investment will be made in this island, that's for sure.

The heavy machinery on the Baja base has finished its installation. Construction of a drydocks is on the drawing boards.

The flotilla is still under sail for an untold destination, with conquest filling her sails.

And it is reminded to every world power, that the Western Confederation ALWAYS has a good reason for its actions. We may just be to brilliant for you to see why at the moment...
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| December 25, 2010, 5:48 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Are you infering something?

No, he's IMPLYING something. You're inferring it.

/GrammarNazi
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| December 25, 2010, 5:50 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Quoting Danny Morgan
Lol.

The IU would like to make it clear to the world that we are not going to participate in this collapsing of the geneva conventions thing about using illegal weapons.

We are perfectly happy with our standard weapon, and have no need to deploy weapons that cause unnecessary pain, humiliation, or gruesomeness.
Are you infering something?

Whada ya mean?
You know, there are other people in the group who are using previously illegal weapons as well as you, it's not like you're the centre of the group, every comment does not necessarily relate to you.
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| December 25, 2010, 5:50 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yes. He's inferring that he's a morally superior person for not causing unnecessary pain when a normal bullet works fine, and calling you out for your wanton cruelty. The Evil League of Evil approves only actions sanctioned by the Evil Overlord's List.



In other terms, he's being himself. Also, I am not doing it entirely, as stated before, but, I respecet the Geneva, I am not one for cruelty, but this is just for a certain reason.
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| December 25, 2010, 5:51 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yes. He's inferring that he's a morally superior person for not causing unnecessary pain when a normal bullet works fine, and calling you out for your wanton cruelty. The Evil League of Evil approves only actions sanctioned by the Evil Overlord's List.

Yeah, not just him though, the others too.
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| December 25, 2010, 5:52 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
In other terms, he's being himself. Also, I am not doing it entirely, as stated before, but, I respecet the Geneva, I am not one for cruelty, but this is just for a certain reason.

A certain reason huh? And what could this reason that you seem to be implying is morally OK be?
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| December 25, 2010, 5:54 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
A certain reason huh? And what could this reason that you seem to be implying is morally OK be?

The reason I'm disbanding the GC is that I'm in control of a country that has an industry that is desperately trying to catch up. This way, I can use any tool at my disposal to defend myself and vanquish my enemies. There may come a time that I will reinstate the GC, but that will be some time.
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| December 25, 2010, 6:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The reason I'm disbanding the GC is that I'm in control of a country that has an industry that is desperately trying to catch up. This way, I can use any tool at my disposal to defend myself and vanquish my enemies. There may come a time that I will reinstate the GC, but that will be some time.

Ok, well I'm not exactly going to go and attack your nation for doing something the Indo Union considers morally unstable, but I do have a question: Why? Why do not normal bullets suffice? If cost is involved, I'm sure normal bullets are much cheaper, and normal bombs cheaper than those cluster bombs or whatever they are.
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| December 25, 2010, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, well I'm not exactly going to go and attack your nation for doing something the Indo Union considers morally unstable, but I do have a question: Why? Why do not normal bullets suffice? If cost is involved, I'm sure normal bullets are much cheaper, and normal bombs cheaper than those cluster bombs or whatever they are.

And flame throwers do a lot more damage a lot faster than machine guns, not to mention the vast amount of psychological damage it does when one man in a strategic place can turn back an entire advance.

My, you do have an air of moral superiority, don't you? What is so immoral about using such things as expanding bullets and cluster bombs? Hacking prisoners to pieces and killing them slowly through starvation IS immoral. That part of the GC is covered by the new code that we implemented.
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| December 25, 2010, 6:30 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, well I'm not exactly going to go and attack your nation for doing something the Indo Union considers morally unstable, but I do have a question: Why? Why do not normal bullets suffice? If cost is involved, I'm sure normal bullets are much cheaper, and normal bombs cheaper than those cluster bombs or whatever they are.

If you have a problem with our choices of not completely following the Geneva Convention, than do something about it. Otherwise, please stop spamming the ICF.
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| December 25, 2010, 6:40 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Yes. He's inferring that he's a morally superior person for not causing unnecessary pain when a normal bullet works fine, and calling you out for your wanton cruelty. The Evil League of Evil approves only actions sanctioned by the Evil Overlord's List.

Actually, hollow point bullets kill much more effectively than FMJs. So it's technically less immoral to shoot people with hollow points than FMJ rounds.
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| December 25, 2010, 7:02 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
A certain reason huh? And what could this reason that you seem to be implying is morally OK be?

Wait what?

But, the reason is hard to explain
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| December 25, 2010, 7:36 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Flame based weapons have barely a fraction of the range of projectile munitions. Just tossing that out there.

Thanks captain
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| December 25, 2010, 8:01 pm
Honestly, in a combat mods eyes, I doubt choosing to use hollow points, FMJ, flamethrowers, cluster bombs (maybe), and mines (doubtfully), will make any difference what so ever as to the outcome of the battle.
Just my $0.02
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| December 25, 2010, 9:21 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
What about Nicaragua?

And Merry Christmas everyone!

Oh, I get the two confused all the time! I meant Nicaragua.
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| December 25, 2010, 9:35 pm
"The US military is developing new cluster bombs that it claims could have a much lower (less than 1%) dud rate.[36] Sensor-fused weapons that contain a limited number of submunitions that are capable of autonomously engaging armored targets may provide a viable, if costly, alternative to cluster munitions that will allow multiple target engagement with one shell or bomb while avoiding the civilian deaths and injuries consistently documented from the use of cluster munitions. Certain such weapons may be allowed under the recently adopted Convention on Cluster Munitions, provided they do not have the indiscriminate area effects or pose the unexploded ordnance risks of cluster munitions"

The S.U. will be continuing the research of cluster bombs.
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| December 25, 2010, 10:19 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And flame throwers do a lot more damage a lot faster than machine guns, not to mention the vast amount of psychological damage it does when one man in a strategic place can turn back an entire advance.

My, you do have an air of moral superiority, don't you? What is so immoral about using such things as expanding bullets and cluster bombs? Hacking prisoners to pieces and killing them slowly through starvation IS immoral. That part of the GC is covered by the new code that we implemented.

Hack prisoners and starve them to death? Where have you heard this? I think you should revise your information more carefully. The Indo Union, which officially began in 2028 has never authorized the starvation or 'hacking to death' of any prisoner. We take some 0ffense to these claims, but understand it must be due to your apparently faulty information sources.

As for this 'air of moral superiority', well, call it what you want, I think 'harmless questioning' would be more exact. We do not judge what the WC does in it's own territory.
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| December 25, 2010, 11:39 pm
Quoting henry wang
If you have a problem with our choices of not completely following the Geneva Convention, than do something about it. Otherwise, please stop spamming the ICF.

Did I say I had a problem with what other nations were doing with the GC?
No.

And I think you need to look up the word 'spamming' in the dictionary, though I understand English is not your first language.
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| December 25, 2010, 11:43 pm
Plans for Johnston have been drawn up, Aircraft hangars and fuel tanks (Naval and Aviation) occupy the most of the space, AA, Artillery, and Bunkers will consist of most of the defense. Artificial harbor building is going well, and prefabrication of docks, storehouses, and barracks has begun. Development of a small tank/troop lander has begun.

As you people tear eachother apart, I'll be in Texas until the 1st-ish. Have Fun!
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| December 26, 2010, 12:40 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan

And I think you need to look up the word 'spamming' in the dictionary, though I understand English is not your first language.


You should look through the all of the ICFs to see how many times you have double posted, posted things that are really unimportant, and in general "spam" these ICFs.
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| December 26, 2010, 1:07 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Oh, I get the two confused all the time! I meant Nicaragua.

Ok, well, promise not to miss it too much?

Quoting Danny Morgan
Hack prisoners and starve them to death? Where have you heard this? I think you should revise your information more carefully. The Indo Union, which officially began in 2028 has never authorized the starvation or 'hacking to death' of any prisoner. We take some 0ffense to these claims, but understand it must be due to your apparently faulty information sources.

As for this 'air of moral superiority', well, call it what you want, I think 'harmless questioning' would be more exact. We do not judge what the WC does in it's own territory.

I don't recall saying you did it, I was just establishing which points of the GC we were keeping and which ones we weren't and showing how off-base you claiming how we were so 'immoral' was. Run-on sentence, I know, but it does the job...

As for not judging us, good. Take my advice, that's a healthy attitude.
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| December 26, 2010, 1:35 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Ok, well, promise not to miss it too much?

Quoting Danny Morgan
Hack prisoners and starve them to death? Where have you heard this? I think you should revise your information more carefully. The Indo Union, which officially began in 2028 has never authorized the starvation or 'hacking to death' of any prisoner. We take some 0ffense to these claims, but understand it must be due to your apparently faulty information sources.

As for this 'air of moral superiority', well, call it what you want, I think 'harmless questioning' would be more exact. We do not judge what the WC does in it's own territory.

I don't recall saying you did it, I was just establishing which points of the GC we were keeping and which ones we weren't and showing how off-base you claiming how we were so 'immoral' was. Run-on sentence, I know, but it does the job...

As for not judging us, good. Take my advice, that's a healthy attitude.

What advice? You never said this.

And my bad about the other part of the comment: I thought you were comparing you using GC illegal weapons to the fictional ways we treat our prisoners.

@ Matt Hacker
I see. This is what you call spamming?
Well I though the ICF was a kind of general conversation topic. You guys are even stricter than us in the Coalition of Planets!
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| December 26, 2010, 4:02 am
@Danny Morgan
FYI English was my first language

Construction of all of our ships are going very well, and for the weekend construction has halted for Christmas. We have also given 72 hour passes for all of our non-essential soldiers. They will also be given a bonus for their exceptional service throughout the year. The upgrading of Chobham armor continues, and the designing of new cluster munitions has begun. Finally our diplomats are returning home, they have created very good ties between us and South Africa. We hope to return and have more talks in a few weeks.
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| December 26, 2010, 9:02 am
As far as I can tell cluster bombs are legal...
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/cluster_munitions/index.html
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| December 26, 2010, 11:59 am
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Will G.

I have a request to make of you.

When you finally secure Chicago, could you please make the name of the Skyscraper the "Sears Tower" again? The "Willis Tower" is just a disgrace.

When did the name change occur?
Will do.
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| December 26, 2010, 12:19 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
As far as I can tell cluster bombs are legal...
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/cluster_munitions/index.html


Thats because the US didn't sign the treaty. In most other countries, like the UK, they are illegal to own, store, use, or build.
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| December 26, 2010, 1:20 pm
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Christmas was a good day in the Western Confederation. Weekend passes were issued everywhere, and troops enjoyed their time with families or friends.

The invasion of Target A1 began today when 10 B-1Bs from Baja Base took off and bombed eastern coastal targets in Guatemala. Preparatory bombardment on a more specific scale took place with aircraft launched from the WCS Denver and Houston. Because the small army of Guatemala was unprepared, the B-1s made it in and out without incident. The large aerial bombardment that followed the B-1s was shot at, but jamming by orbiting Jayhawks prevented any accurate shooting.

The WCS Brigand has retrieved the remains of the two marines killed in Greenland, and has given them a proper burial at sea. Firing two more cruise missiles at the complex, Admiral Halls guaranteed that no one would find anything more than a smoldering wreckage there.

The WCS Lexington is nearly complete with refits; only awaiting delivery and installation of the engine (75% completed). With the additional manpower, the hangar construction on Midway should speed up appreciably. The men there celebrated Christmas by taking the day off and relaxing/swimming.

Since it has now become an issue, and needs to be addressed (sadly and tragically) the WC has reinstated "Don't ask, don't tell." We don't want our men looking over their shoulders in foxholes.
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| December 26, 2010, 2:55 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Since it has now become an issue, and needs to be addressed (sadly and tragically) the WC has reinstated "Don't ask, don't tell." We don't want our men looking over their shoulders in foxholes.


Not surprised, this is not the first time that you have done/ said things just to gain attention. It would be a pity if anyone actually argued with you over this, as that would be what you want.
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| December 26, 2010, 3:19 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Not surprised, this is not the first time that you have done/ said things just to gain attention. It would be a pity if anyone actually argued with you over this, as that would be what you want.

Uh, no. I don't do things for attention. I see an issue that needs to be addressed, and I address it. If you seem to think that everything I do is controversial and therefore needs a rebuttal, well, then maybe you should take more consideration to your time management.
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| December 26, 2010, 3:47 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Wait what?

But, the reason is hard to explain

I'm sure it's not too clever for us to comprehend.
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| December 26, 2010, 5:16 pm
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In China, we are encouraging for more people to expand their "interests," to help solve the over-population problem. This means repealing whatever version of Don't Ask, Don't Tell the military could have, after a comprehensive survey revealed it wasn't that big of a deal for most people (If you have someone willing to die for their country, what does their taste matter?). We've also been offering incentives for families to have a daughter instead of a son, to help repair the gender-imbalance problem. The latter rule has been in effect since 2016, so I'd imagine things are beginning to smooth out.

-The usual is going on, otherwise.
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| December 26, 2010, 5:24 pm
Final Developments of the EE-T1A2 Osório has concluded. Prototypes have been built and completed testing. Experienced tankers will be flown over along with their tanks to Samoa for combat testing. If successful specs will be revealed to the public.
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| December 26, 2010, 5:45 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm sure it's not too clever for us to comprehend.

Yeh, but I would rather not.
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| December 26, 2010, 6:21 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
No problemo bucko.

I'm heading out for Virginia tomorrow morning, so I'll be back around the day after New Years sometime. Enjoy killing eachother 'till I get back. Cheers.

:)
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| December 26, 2010, 6:25 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Thats because the US didn't sign the treaty. In most other countries, like the UK, they are illegal to own, store, use, or build.

Well the UK used them in op. desert storm...

has anybody but me looked into this? As far as I can tell, the only countries who back this treaty have little or no military power.
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| December 26, 2010, 6:29 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Well the UK used them in op. desert storm...

has anybody but me looked into this? As far as I can tell, the only countries who back this treaty have little or no military power.


The treaty was signed last year... or at least very recently.
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| December 26, 2010, 6:30 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

The treaty was signed last year... or at least very recently.

hhmmmm
the CMC? That was almost three years ago, and has 107 members.
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| December 26, 2010, 6:34 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Flame based weapons have barely a fraction of the range of projectile munitions. Just tossing that out there.

Unless they're thermobaric weapons. Admittedly those aren't so much "firestarting" as "filling the place with flammable gas and blowing it sky high" but still.
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| December 26, 2010, 6:44 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Unless they're thermobaric weapons. Admittedly those aren't so much "firestarting" as "filling the place with flammable gas and blowing it sky high" but still.

The CSS proudly sports cluster bombs and thermobaric weapons.
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| December 26, 2010, 7:23 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Unless they're thermobaric weapons. Admittedly those aren't so much "firestarting" as "filling the place with flammable gas and blowing it sky high" but still.

Like napalm?
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| December 26, 2010, 8:28 pm
Quoting Thomas N

As the first in the old group to be pro-gay rights, I support this.
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| December 26, 2010, 9:22 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
Like napalm?

Uh, yeah NO.

Napalm is not a gas, it's a flammable liquid.
Trust me, I'd know, I'm a pyrotechnician
Quoting Will G.
The CSS proudly sports cluster bombs and thermobaric weapons.

/pats back
I'm sure you must be very proud of your self.
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| December 26, 2010, 11:08 pm
In the ACU...

-Don't ask don't tell, stays repealed.
-More money is being put into programs supporting veterans of wars.
-Still contemplating whether or not to keep the Geneva Convention.
-First 6 Washington class stealth destroyers are expected after New Years.
-A happy holidays were had by all, due to happiness being mandatory.
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| December 26, 2010, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Oh yes, because, despite conventional wisdom, g--s actually are threatening.
/sarcasm
Your soldiers wouldn't need to "look over their shoulders" while in foxholes anyway. Despite what the uneducated like to claim, g--s aren't rapists.
I'm not looking for an argument, so I'm just going to state my pro-gay rights opinion and leave it.

Aren't threatening, hmm. The "Uneducated." Wow.

As I told Matt, and I wish I could keep my promises sir, I must speak up about this point. It's all well and good to think lovely thoughts about people who are just "attracted" to members of their own gender, but that doesn't bear up in real life. You just wait until you are the target of their misguided affections, the dread you start feeling in your gut as you imagine them even just looking at you. Debating in your mind whether or not to report what is very much hara__ment because of what PR might think is politically "too touchy." I speak, unfortunately, from all too real a circumstance.

If you haven't found (and I sincerely pray you never do) yourself in that situation, I'm glad for you. I would never wish that on anyone.

As for your second point about the act of coercion, it has happened, and does. It is not reported on national news (because it would take away the 'happy face' and might cause some 'discomfort' to the public) and you have to dig for it a little in databases, but it does happen (there are even support lines and therapy groups, just google it, but do be careful of the results). Not that it is any more unforgivable than a guy doing it to a woman, and I would be the first to impose and enforce the death penalty for the latter. However, any such action, should be viewed as atrocious even by yourself. Even if only one case occurred, you yourself should agree it is one case too many, no?

I'm not looking for a fight either, I just stated something and it seems everyone decided to voice their opinion on it. Not my fault.
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| December 27, 2010, 12:26 am
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Quoting Will G.
The CSS proudly sports cluster bombs and thermobaric weapons.

The Western Confederation would like to obtain some of these weapons.
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| December 27, 2010, 12:28 am
I have a question:
Is a chinook with four propellers too advanced for 2037? It would have two propeller turbines on either sides of the chinook.

Now for the updates. Been a while since I gave one:
- land forces arrive in barges (and maybe in those new chinooks I mentioned?) in Celebes (Sulawesi) on the northern shores enroute from Borneo. The warlords there reacted instantly, and sent their gang members, rogue soldiers, and wannabe soldier civilians down to the towns and cities near these beaches to blockade the IU's advance.
In a rather amusing attempt to increase their own fire power, these mix of enemies armed themselves with homemade weapons like 'potato cannon' style mortar tubes, and modified fireworks for RPGs.
Fighting has yet to break out, as our soldiers on the beaches are waiting to receive orders whether to continue advance or wait for reinforcements...
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| December 27, 2010, 12:28 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I have a question:
Is a chinook with four propellers too advanced for 2037? It would have two propeller turbines on either sides of the chinook.


You mean with two rotors on front and back, angled towards each other on top? Not too advanced, but still an engineering nightmare...
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| December 27, 2010, 12:32 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
You mean with two rotors on front and back, angled towards each other on top? Not too advanced, but still an engineering nightmare...

Yeah, kind of, this is kinda what I mean only militarized:
http://www.aeronautics.nasa.gov/images/content/2nd_gatech_caesar.jpg
And this would be the standard helicopter equivalent, again militarized and not as futuristic looking:
http://www.aeronautics.nasa.gov/images/content/3rd_uva_avatr_soterion.jpg
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| December 27, 2010, 1:13 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
I have a question:
Is a chinook with four propellers too advanced for 2037? It would have two propeller turbines on either sides of the chinook.

What, intermeshing rotors? Not too advanced.

As for for four rotors seperately, nah, that's not too advanced either. As I recall, some of the earliest helicopters used that configuration.

Now, if you want advanced looking transports, take a gander at these:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/7/78/Karnov_UR_VTOL.jpg
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/b/b9/3039_Karnov.jpg
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/a/a0/Anhur.gif
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| December 27, 2010, 1:22 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Danny Morgan
I have a question:
Is a chinook with four propellers too advanced for 2037? It would have two propeller turbines on either sides of the chinook.

What, intermeshing rotors? Not too advanced.

As for for four rotors seperately, nah, that's not too advanced either. As I recall, some of the earliest helicopters used that configuration.

Now, if you want advanced looking transports, take a gander at these:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/7/78/Karnov_UR_VTOL.jpg
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/b/b9/3039_Karnov.jpg
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/a/a0/Anhur.gif

Yeah 4 rotors separately. See my previous comment to see what I had in mind. Thanks for the links too.

But what about production? Do you think a four-separate-rotor chinook would be too expensive to produce more than 10 of? I have about 150+ in mind...
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| December 27, 2010, 2:00 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Yeah 4 rotors separately. See my previous comment to see what I had in mind. Thanks for the links too.

But what about production? Do you think a four-separate-rotor chinook would be too expensive to produce more than 10 of? I have about 150+ in mind...

It would be somewhat more mechanically complex, yes.

However, the only reason I can see to do that would be if you wanted to make the body of the helicopter itself larger and stronger, without having to install bigger rotors and engines.

So, all you'd have to build for that would be a new fuselage; no new engines or rotors etc.


Anyway, cost: it'd depend on whether you were building them one at a time, or mass producing them. If the first, costs would stay high but consistent. If the second, costs would be very high and it would take quite a while to build each helicopter, for the first half dozen or so until the production line got up to speed. Then, they'd probably be something like 1.5 or 2 X as much as the current price. Bigger with four engines, you see.
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| December 27, 2010, 2:09 am
Last night four Eurocopter Super Pumas landed troops and with the support of six Mi-25s they took San Carlos, Nicuragua. Armor and troops are making their way into enemy territory with little to no resistance.
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| December 27, 2010, 8:54 am
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The bombing of Guatemala has been followed by more of the same today. The vanguard marines of the invasion have been transferred to the amphibious assault ship. The Guatemalan navy has been subjected to an underwater assault by 10 SEALS that have disabled their engines. Special care has been taken not to sink them, we'll get our navy by hook or by crook. Generous terms for surrender have been sent to the Guatemalans, most are dead set against it, but they realize that an all-out attack would overwhelm them shortly.

Nebraska's senate has passed the vote to join the Western Confederation, realizing that economically, it's the best decision. Mostly an agrarian economy, the WC is their largest consumer in decades. Plus, it would mean protection (though Americans are Americans and they probably wouldn't be invaded) and continued technological improvement. The WCHC is already drafting plans for annexation and integration.

Specifications for guided missile ships and "Helicopter" carriers have been issued. Development should be forthcoming once designs are chosen.

The F-29 has reached a total of 30 produced (out of total order of 250). F-89 has reached 8 total, 3 of which are stationed on the Denver for combat testing.
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| December 27, 2010, 1:11 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Thomas N
Oh yes, because, despite conventional wisdom, g--s actually are threatening.
/sarcasm
Your soldiers wouldn't need to "look over their shoulders" while in foxholes anyway. Despite what the uneducated like to claim, g--s aren't rapists.
I'm not looking for an argument, so I'm just going to state my pro-gay rights opinion and leave it.

Aren't threatening, hmm. The "Uneducated." Wow.

As I told Matt, and I wish I could keep my promises sir, I must speak up about this point. It's all well and good to think lovely thoughts about people who are just "attracted" to members of their own gender, but that doesn't bear up in real life. You just wait until you are the target of their misguided affections, the dread you start feeling in your gut as you imagine them even just looking at you. Debating in your mind whether or not to report what is very much hara__ment because of what PR might think is politically "too touchy." I speak, unfortunately, from all too real a circumstance.

If you haven't found (and I sincerely pray you never do) yourself in that situation, I'm glad for you. I would never wish that on anyone.

As for your second point about the act of coercion, it has happened, and does. It is not reported on national news (because it would take away the 'happy face' and might cause some 'discomfort' to the public) and you have to dig for it a little in databases, but it does happen (there are even support lines and therapy groups, just Google it, but do be careful of the results). Not that it is any more unforgivable than a guy doing it to a woman, and I would be the first to impose and enforce the death penalty for the latter. However, any such action, should be viewed as atrocious even by yourself. Even if only one case occurred, you yourself should agree it is one case too many, no?

I'm not looking for a fight either, I just stated something and it seems everyone decided to voice their opinion on it. Not my fault.

Hey, guess what? It's all great for you to think that your an all knowing messiah, but in reality, you have no experience in the matter. I served in the US Army for 6 years (active duty) and am on my 4th year in the reserve. I was deployed twice, and as an MOS 11B (infantry), I often saw frontline duty. I had to remain "in the closet" for most of the time I was protecting all your rights. While you were sitting at your computer digging up records of s*e*x*u*a*l hara__ment to use against real people (I don't consider r*a*p*i*s*t*s human beings) hiding behind a curtain of h0m0ph0bia, I was constantly looking over my shoulder worried about someone like you ratting me out and having me discharged. Don't believe me? I'll happily send you my entire service record. Oh yeah, while your at it, why don't you go inform my commanders, I'm sure they'll give you all 3 seconds of their time before telling you to go F*U*C*K yourself. Careful what you say about me next, I might have you charged with a hara__ment hate crime.
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| December 27, 2010, 3:17 pm
Yes I got the comment I was born! (1994).

The forces in Sulawesi have been ordered to advance, with additional reinforcements on their way. The battle report has not yet come through.

The prototype A6 Valkyrie Gunship (a kind of hybrid between helicopter and attack plane) is going through testing and final adjustments back home in Java.

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d-mn I thought there might be 1 or 2 people in the group who'd get really offended at Ultramarine's comment. Nice one Ultra /face palm/
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| December 27, 2010, 4:37 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You just wait until you are the target of their misguided affections, the dread you start feeling in your gut as you imagine them even just looking at you.


There's a story behind this, and I want to hear it.

Quoting -> avalella
I served in the US Army for 6 years (active duty) and am on my 4th year in the reserve.


Wait, what? Things just got trippy here!

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| December 27, 2010, 5:50 pm
In the CDC
-After nearly a month of intense negotiations, the Bahamas and the former US Virgin Isles have decided to become part of the CDC. They will benefit greatly from our new exploits in the energy industry, and all new citizens will receive the same high quality healthcare as all CDC citizens do. As a result, several hospitals are slated for construction on the new islands. The government of the UK may choose to allow the Bahamas to remain a Commonwealth state if they please.
-Testing of the UH-71 is complete, and 50 units have been ordered, complete with the new advanced countermeasure systems and more efficient engines. Work on an gunship variant has been started.

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| December 27, 2010, 5:55 pm
In the PCU, Don't Ask, Don't Tell has been repealed to an extent. Sure, you can be of a different orientation, but don't go around forcing, >.>, your beliefs onto the other males and females.
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| December 27, 2010, 6:06 pm

wait...so Andrew is an adult, and homo*s__ual?
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| December 27, 2010, 6:19 pm
Quoting Jake H.

wait...so Andrew is an adult, and homo*s__ual?

If Andrew is Avella, then yes, I guess. I don't think a straight person would have reacted so angrily to Ultramarine's comment.
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| December 27, 2010, 6:26 pm
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Quoting -> avalella

Wow. OK, then:
1. I'm not all-knowing and I'm the first to admit it.
2. Thank you for your service, I know that's not easy.
3. I don't h.ate anyone, and I don't suffer from phobias, because I'm not afraid of anything either.
4. Since when is freedom of speech a h.ate-crime? You slathered me there pretty good with bad language, what does that say about you?

Anyway, this is the ICF people, let's get back on topic!!!
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| December 27, 2010, 6:27 pm
Quoting -> avalella

Whoa... like everyone else, I did not see that coming.


Ok. Well the Christmas break is over and we are resuming operations in Vanuatu. We are planning to take the major fort this week. We'll try bombarding the main central areas of the fort, but the bunkers placed on the sides of the mountains and hills will have to be taken by infantry and tanks. Although this operation may sound risky, we have high hopes about it because we know this won't be a guerilla warfare hit-and-run battle like we usually have to fight. Learning from history, the Tet Offensive, a battle of the Vietnam War which was part of the former nation, the United States's history, the NVA were defeated terribly because they had to fight in different war tactics besides guerilla warfare.
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| December 27, 2010, 7:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting -> avalella

Wow. OK, then:
1. I'm not all-knowing and I'm the first to admit it.
2. Thank you for your service, I know that's not easy.
3. I don't h.ate anyone, and I don't suffer from phobias, because I'm not afraid of anything either.
4. Since when is freedom of speech a h.ate-crime? You slathered me there pretty good with bad language, what does that say about you?

Anyway, this is the ICF people, let's get back on topic!!!

-__-
I'm 15, I found my prior post in a flamewar on CNN, and thought it was really relevant. My bad, but yeah, I think DADT < Good. Soz guys.
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| December 27, 2010, 7:55 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
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I'm 15, I found my prior post in a flamewar on CNN, and thought it was really relevant. My bad, but yeah, I think DADT < Good. Soz guys.

Ah, I smelled something odd with that. Since your style of writing has never been like that before, and I estimated your age at about 13-16. Plus, I wondered who on earth you were going to file that hara__ment or h.ate crimes suit with...Or against, for that matter, since no one on here really knows who the other is...
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| December 27, 2010, 8:02 pm
Although some delay, seven pilots have been crowned Aces, and eleven men have been given the Military Merit Award for their actions in Venezuela. Also eight men have been awarded the Injured Heart, equivalent of the Purple Heart and two have been awarded the Medal of Valor for their Actions, equivalent to the Medal of Honor.
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| December 27, 2010, 8:57 pm
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