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International Conversation Forum XI
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Highlights:
-Pacific War

-Quasi-alliances

-Pocket Wars

-Other
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| February 5, 2011, 3:08 pm
For good measure, a Coast Guard Independance-class Littoral Combat Ship has been moved to Ketchican and will begin a circular patrol route from B.C. to Kuiu Island. The usual Jayhawks have been replaced by AK Army UAH-1s for added patrol range. They'll fly unarmed for longer range and increased maneuverability. The sonar on the LCS-1 is much better than our other ships, which allows for longer-range detection. This vessel is instructed to retreat if threatened.

Production of the Y-28 Naval aircraft has been temporarily halted to allow for further production of F-27s, software and munitions.
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| February 5, 2011, 4:05 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick

Your remaining Typhoons are ready tor delivery if the M6s and Humvees are completed.

Quoting Matt Hacker

What is the status on the 60 tanks and the 30 Attack helicopters I ordered? Because your AR-60bs are ready when you want to make the trade.

Quoting Jack Ford

Will this war affect my receiving of the 24 Blackfish?
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| February 5, 2011, 4:24 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
That comment wasn't directed toward all of Asia. As far as I'm concerned, that comment was directed toward the people who kept saying things like "how dare you interfere with Asian matters!" and "I suggest you GTF0 before my forces converge upon you!" and the like. I'm not insulting you or Awe with the Asian-directed statements.

I hate to be so ignorant, but would you please inform me as to where you are? I thought Alenia was in the 'stans and possibly Mongolia.

So, Danny then? Not that it changes things. Thing is, just north of Asia there's this great big country full of drunken Russians just waiting for an opportunity to do sneaky things. Now, any given Asian state, ex. China, Japan, Imperialism Land, can't really oppose said drunken Russians by itself. So it's kind of important to keep the stability of the region.
An Asian state being given a walloping by another Asian state is one thing; doesn't matter what happens, the population, territory and military facilities will still be in Asian hands. An Asian state being attacked by an American state is another. Especially since the American state has no reason to be over there at all.

Hey, Danny? Can you lend me a few warships for a couple months? I want to go and colonize California. It's not like anyone's going to complain.

Oh, and I'm Kazakhstan and the Uighur part of Old China.


Quoting Will G
The B.E.A.R. was one of the worst ideas ever. In real life, whoever had the European side of Russia would dominate. Siberia made up most of Russia's lands and three out of four BEAR members were stuck there. Therefore The rest of your economies would have stopped in the winter, 10 out of the 12 months a year, and not been able to do anything besides huddle around a fire. That being said, this group was also created to stop those kinds of things from happening.


Nobody pointed that out at the time.

Quoting Brikkr
Problem: Okinawa, Johnston and Samoa

Solution: half rations.
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| February 5, 2011, 4:50 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
So, Danny then? Not that it changes things. Thing is, just north of Asia there's this great big country full of drunken Russians just waiting for an opportunity to do sneaky things. Now, any given Asian state, ex. China, Japan, Imperialism Land, can't really oppose said drunken Russians by itself. So it's kind of important to keep the stability of the region.
An Asian state being given a walloping by another Asian state is one thing; doesn't matter what happens, the population, territory and military facilities will still be in Asian hands. An Asian state being attacked by an American state is another. Especially since the American state has no reason to be over there at all.

Hey, Danny? Can you lend me a few warships for a couple months? I want to go and colonize California. It's not like anyone's going to complain.

Oh, and I'm Kazakhstan and the Uighur part of Old China.

So basically your argument is that you're supporting local Asian wars rather than national cross-ocean wars, since a shaky collection of warring Asian nations are much more likely to stop a Russian invasion than if there was an American nation involved? I'm afraid I don't see the logic there.

Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Jack Ford

Will this war affect my receiving of the 24 Blackfish?


I don't think it will, since I'm now producing Blackfish in the WC as well. They should be ready in time.


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| February 5, 2011, 5:10 pm
Quoting Jack Ford


Problem, Jack? /troll face.

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In the PCU, things go moderately fine. The uprising in Alberta is facing resistance from White Ops that were not finished securing the areas affected the worst by the said uprisings. We expect them to be fully quelled by tomorrow morning.

The PCU is warning all military installation to watch their surroundings, urging them not to let their guard down. In times like these, anyone and anything can be dangerous.
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| February 5, 2011, 5:43 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Jack Ford


Problem, Jack? /troll face.

Not yet... >.>

<.<
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| February 5, 2011, 6:06 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Not yet... >.>

<.<

>.>
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| February 5, 2011, 6:17 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
So basically your argument is that you're supporting local Asian wars rather than national cross-ocean wars, since a shaky collection of warring Asian nations are much more likely to stop a Russian invasion than if there was an American nation involved? I'm afraid I don't see the logic there.

Something like that, yes. Americans have nothing to lose from Russia winning.
And no incentive to participate, either.

Besides, we've got the moral high ground in this war. That's pretty rare for us, so we'll milk it for everything it's worth.
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| February 5, 2011, 6:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine
... Ethnic Cleansing in spare time...


What? Ethnic Cleansing? In what way is that occurring in Australia?

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| February 5, 2011, 6:57 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Once again, tensions have stepped up production speed in Corpus Christi. The Brigand-class is now 92% complete and with hurried installations, will be operational in two weeks.

In a huge push today, the Guatemalan army carved a straight path to Belmopan, Belize, the capital city. Starting just before dawn and continuing into the late afternoon, supported by 80% of the GAF and dozens of artillery and armor, they made it to the city suburbs as men began to tire. They had taken heavy casualties (650-800 KIA, 800-900 WIA) but inflicted a near catastrophic defeat on the Belize military, which was thrown back soundly and in great disarray. Their guardian angel revealed himself today, to all parties' great surprise, it was none other than Williams and his band of marauders. It appears that they have absolved themselves of any misgivings we might have had. He and his band of Merry Men will likely be found useful in the future...

Production of the AH-12 has reached 10, rather quick since these are small enough to be assembled relatively fast. Also, in a deal reached with Alaska, F-1 production has now started in the F-89 plants. Each one of these planes will be laser-inscribed with the words "Made in the WC" on the bottom of the instrument panel. Later, these will undoubtedly be worth more in resale as they are limited editions. >.>

The keel has been put down for another two PTRs in Guatemala, and a third Brigand-class slated for completion March 1st. The merchant fleet is all but assembled, this will be a test for the new FTC which has been loaded to the bowlines.


Quoting Areetsa C
Hey, Danny? Can you lend me a few warships for a couple months? I want to go and colonize California. It's not like anyone's going to complain.

I won't...

Quoting Matt P
What? Ethnic Cleansing? In what way is that occurring in Australia?

Not there, Korea.

Quoting Areetsa C
Besides, we've got the moral high ground in this war. That's pretty rare for us, so we'll milk it for everything it's worth.

I lol'd. Really? Beating someone up for poor choice of friends (from what you are saying) is the moral high ground?
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| February 5, 2011, 7:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Not there, Korea.

I had sent an expeditionary force to assist Japan in ground fighting, but NO AUSTRALIAN BOOTS STEPPED ON KOREAN SOIL. I said that in big letters so all you yanks can see it. They had docked in Japan, but soon left because of the Pacific War heating back up. They are returning to Australia as of now.

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| February 5, 2011, 7:11 pm
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Quoting Matt P
I had sent an expeditionary force to assist Japan in ground fighting, but NO AUSTRALIAN BOOTS STEPPED ON KOREAN SOIL. I said that in big letters so all you yanks can see it. They had docked in Japan, but soon left because of the Pacific War heating back up. They are returning to Australia as of now.

And that was the right thing to do. For those that survived the attack on Fukuoka, that is.
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| February 5, 2011, 7:26 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And that was the right thing to do.

You know, you're probably right. If I did do that I'd probably be involved with this Pacific War right now.

And Danny, do you control/wish to control Sumatra? If not, then I may send troops to colonize it. If you wish to control Sumatra maybe we could divide the island so that you get half and I get half.
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| February 5, 2011, 7:47 pm
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The upgrades on two of our Mistral-class vessels have been completed. Wasting no time, these ships will be sent off upon new orders. One of the Mistrals shall be sent to the Black Sea to operate as a temporary forward naval operations command for the Russian fleet in said body of water. With the military port left to the possibility of being lost via severe armed uprising, the Mistral will test its new electronics by coordinating the BSF's routine after being scrambled in the next 24 hours. The other Mistral is off to Sakhalin to serve as a stop-gap defense measure as some of the coastal defense arrays are shut down for upgrading and/or replacement. The Federation would like to note that these two vessels do not contain any amphibious craft in their well-decks, rather a minimalistic STOVL air wing has been tacked-on for mid-range interception. This should show we have no offensive goals, just domestic security in mind.

In other news, the other two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships will now enter their own upgrading stages. The load-outs are congruent with the recently completed vessels as to have a uniformed expeditionary establishment. More news later.

The second Resolve-class medium-displacement aircraft carrier is nearing completion. This is presently the last to be built seeing as though budgeting does not allow for a third with all of the military modernization programs going on. We hope to have the ship completed by end-month, if not sooner. With all of conflict happening in our southwest corner, a sort of morale boost has pushed into our industrialized work force; therefore, production has been ramped up to lucrative levels.

Speaking of conflict and uprisings, the Crimea is now on the brink of independence. The Union State has been approached by a secessionist organization seeking backing if the the peninsula declares independence from Ukraine. Although the Russian Federation has had, and presently does have, bad relations with secessionists, we fear threats from Byzantium may lead to latter making a puppet-state out of the peninsula via armed intervention. Belarus and Russia are presently coordinating our thoughts on the matter.

Finally, our engineers in Siberia would like to meet with their Chinese counterparts to further the planning on the Joint Aerospace and Coastal Defense Program (JACDP), as dubbed by the Federation. Granted the JACDP is of the utmost importance to our Siberian assets, we wish to make every penny count in protecting said developing assets.
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| February 5, 2011, 8:04 pm
In Brazil...

Congress has passed three new laws:
1. Healthcare for the elderly and working-class is now government run
2. A raise in Minimum Wage
3. A lowering in public transportation prices.

Forces in Okinawa have finally taken the whole island. While the fighter attacks are still fresh in their minds, the troops are now assigned to AAA and SAM construction as well as bunker sites and Artillery positions.

The Defence Committee has passed new orders on the construction of a so called "Central American Wall." A huge net of Air defences, Bunkers, Airfields, and Artillery positions constructed on the border of Nicaragua, much resembling the Atlantic Wall built by the Germans in WWII, but with enough soldiers to man the whole thing.

100 Million has been received by Jake for the F-5s I sold him and will be put to good use. Also retooling of factories to produce F-33s will soon be finished and they will begin rolling off the production lines.
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| February 5, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I lol'd. Really? Beating someone up for poor choice of friends (from what you are saying) is the moral high ground?

What I'm seeing is Finn trying to annex a bit of territory he has no claim to, and getting a slapping from Morgan. Brendan getting involved seems a bit excessive, though.

Anyway: the moral high ground in this case is that us poor Asian chaps haven't done anything to get those big mean nasty Americans to come over and try to beat us up, which is why we'll be perfectly justified in using Awe's industrial capacity to build a massive armada and conquer Alaska, giving us a foothold from which to carve out an empire! Mwa ha ha ha!
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| February 5, 2011, 8:16 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Anyway: the moral high ground in this case is that us poor Asian chaps haven't done anything to get those big mean nasty Americans to come over and try to beat us up, which is why we'll be perfectly justified in using Awe's industrial capacity to build a massive armada and conquer Alaska, giving us a foothold from which to carve out an empire! Mwa ha ha ha!

You do that and we'll litter the bottom of the Pacific with Asian ships and splashed planes.
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| February 5, 2011, 8:47 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Ultramarine .
I lol'd. Really? Beating someone up for poor choice of friends (from what you are saying) is the moral high ground?

What I'm seeing is Finn trying to annex a bit of territory he has no claim to, and getting a slapping from Morgan. Brendan getting involved seems a bit excessive, though.

Anyway: the moral high ground in this case is that us poor Asian chaps haven't done anything to get those big mean nasty Americans to come over and try to beat us up, which is why we'll be perfectly justified in using Awe's industrial capacity to build a massive armada and conquer Alaska, giving us a foothold from which to carve out an empire! Mwa ha ha ha!

he was trying to expand peacefully, but Danny continually said "NOUCANHAZ!"

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| February 5, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You do that and we'll litter the bottom of the Pacific with Asian ships and splashed planes.

Pick one you don't want:

Alaska or California.

We'll have it. But we will end up having one of them, because everyone knows that we've got an ancestral claim to part of America.
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| February 5, 2011, 9:50 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Pick one you don't want:

Alaska or California.

We'll have it. But we will end up having one of them, because everyone knows that we've got an ancestral claim to part of America.

Hey now, Cowboy. California is PCU land!
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| February 5, 2011, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Pick one you don't want:

Alaska or California.

We'll have it. But we will end up having one of them, because everyone knows that we've got an ancestral claim to part of America.

California, I don't want it.

Oh? I'd be very interested to hear how you came about that piece of trivia...

You, at least, understand why Alaska, NC, and the WC are at war with Japan? You said yourself it was 'excessive.' We're not meddling in Asian affairs, we're stopping genocide.
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| February 5, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
California, I don't want it.

I want you to think about the consequences next time you offer away my lands.
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| February 5, 2011, 10:00 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Hey now, Cowboy. California is PCU land!

But it's rightfully ours!

Quoting Ultramarine .
California, I don't want it.

Oh? I'd be very interested to hear how you came about that piece of trivia...

You, at least, understand why Alaska, NC, and the WC are at war with Japan? You said yourself it was 'excessive.' We're not meddling in Asian affairs, we're stopping genocide.

Why, I made it up on the spot, obviously! But it's still true.

Civilian casualties are inherent in all conflicts. If he DOES start a genocide, the rest of us will step in.
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| February 5, 2011, 10:02 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I want you to think about the consequences next time you offer away my lands.

I don't think about the consequences, takes away from the moment too much.

Quoting Areetsa C
Why, I made it up on the spot, obviously! But it's still true.

Civilian casualties are inherent in all conflicts. If he DOES start a genocide, the rest of us will step in.

Harharhar.

Mhmm...
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| February 5, 2011, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
But it's rightfully ours!


Stand down, Areetsa. We don't want trouble with the PCU, because trouble with the PCU means trouble with me, and since I'm involved in these matters loosely, I'll be having trouble with the PCU, which will turn this from a war into the Apocalypse.
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| February 5, 2011, 10:05 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I feel like introducing a little anarchy, upsetting the established order.

I feel like finishing my scram jet >.>
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| February 5, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Today 1.5:

We're shamelessly exploiting the populace of our little slice of the Baja peninsula and beginning a recruiting campaign. We've got a few thousand people down there that are just looking for work...

*Attention*

If anyone can find anything on Guatemala's navy, I would greatly appreciate it. Best I can tell, they have about 25 cutters up to missile ships, but I can't find anything on them anywhere.

So, I figure I'll open it up to anyone who's curious...
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| February 5, 2011, 10:28 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I feel like introducing a little anarchy, upsetting the established order.

I'm hungry, for some unrest. I wanna push it beyond a piece of protest. I wanna speak in a language that they'll understaaaand.
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| February 5, 2011, 10:29 pm
@Areetsa, tell you what, I'll help you if Russia invades.
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| February 5, 2011, 10:34 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

...perfectly justified in using Awe's industrial capacity to build a massive armada and conquer Alaska, giving us a foothold from which to carve out an empire!

I find this statement highly amusing. If you were to carve out an empire in North America, Alaska in the winter/spring is the worst place you could dream up to start. You'd lose half your ships before you were even within range of my air force! Seriously, if you have plans to invade Alaska, overland is the way to go. Oversea is just preposterous. The Southern coastline is far too rugged to make a successful landing on, and to get to the Western coast you have to slip through the Aleutians and cross the Bering Sea while under fire.
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| February 5, 2011, 10:35 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Stand down, Areetsa. We don't want trouble with the PCU, because trouble with the PCU means trouble with me, and since I'm involved in these matters loosely, I'll be having trouble with the PCU, which will turn this from a war into the Apocalypse.

It SHOULD be a fairly obvious joke. Remember a while back when I said I had no interest in conquering territory I couldn't hang on to? What on earth would landlocked Alenia want with a naval invasion of a useless place like California or Alaska?
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| February 5, 2011, 10:41 pm
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Today in the Pacific War:

Four Japanese carriers (I think the four) were subjects to an attempted missile attack. Moderate damage was taken on two, while heavy on another, and light on the final one.

15 F-89s from the WC devastated Kasuga airbase, in Fukuoka. One was lost to Japanese fighters.

Japan repeated the same bombing runs on Korean cities, dealing even more death and destruction. They were assailed by Blackfish fighters from Alaska (Jack was unclear on what he was attacking with, so I'm assuming here), who only inflicted light damage.

20 Blackfish and 5 EF-1s attacked Japanese ships in the sea between Korea and Japan, dealing substantial damage. Two lighter vessels were sunk. Fighters were scrambled to attack two more incoming planes, but were quickly ambushed from above and behind, loosing all but two of their own. Alaska has success.

Speaking of Alaska, madness has been released. The defense systems showed a large amount of aircraft incoming from Russia, of all places. Given the recent signs of activity in the Russian Far East, the Alaskan leadership decided to scramble their own fighters to check out what was happening. But suddenly: IT'S A TRAP! There were no Russians! Instead, 20 Doves and 35 IF-3s (check out my Flickr if you don't remember it) out of the Pacific Union attacked from the South, hitting the three biggest airbases within 1000 miles of Portland, plus one near British Columbia. Though 2 Doves and 2 IF-3s were lost, 4 Alaskan F-22s got shot down during this. At Ketchikan, or what as left of it, 250 Union soldiers and 4 MT-1/AGMS-1s moved into secure it. 14 UAV-2s armed with anti-ship missiles and torpedoes attacked what Nick called Jack's Cruiser at Ketchikan too, followed up by submarine attacks. The Cruiser was lost, but one of the submarines was damaged and about three-quarters of the UAV-2s were shot down.

Meanwhile, in the Pacific, 10 unidentified planes were spotted incoming at Midway. The WC promptly sent up no less than 80 aircraft to stop them. However, they came in fast and low, and dealt moderate damage to ships at anchor. All 10 planes, F-18s by the look of them, were soon lost though. Examination of the wrecks sinking into the water revealed no markings. Suddenly, 3 Tomahawk cruise missiles popped out of the water (one was shot down before it hit) and severely beat up the runway of one of the bases. Several submarines were detected, but they fled into the deep before they could be locked on by the ASW helicopters.

In short:
Jack, you're UNDAH ATTACK by the PCU. And someone's messing with your radar, it seems.
Ultra, someone attacked Midway! Sh1+ just got real.
Brendan, the Americans are getting uppity at you. But you've released a statement to go with this war report: More Koreans will die for each day the Americans don't withdraw, the bombings will go on.

I believe that is all, except for this: Tom may need to take over soon, I don't trust myself handling war reports for my closest ally and remaining unbiased.
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| February 5, 2011, 11:07 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
It SHOULD be a fairly obvious joke. Remember a while back when I said I had no interest in conquering territory I couldn't hang on to? What on earth would landlocked Alenia want with a naval invasion of a useless place like California or Alaska?


Just making sure. Don't want no trouble with Nick.

In China:
-Invasion of Tibet underway.
-Production of secret things goes onwards.
-AA emplacements of all kinds going up in cities, especially coastal ones and industrial areas.

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| February 5, 2011, 11:09 pm
Jack, the offer still stands! Surrender Palin and this can be avoided!
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| February 5, 2011, 11:10 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Resources.

I'd invade Uzbekistan, then. Kazakhstan and the Uighur province who's name I can't remember at the moment are quite rich in resources.

California and Alaska would have to have streets paved with gold and diamonds to make the effort involved in looting them worthwhile.
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| February 5, 2011, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I'd invade Uzbekistan, then. Kazakhstan and the Uighur province who's name I can't remember at the moment are quite rich in resources.


That'd be Xinjiang.
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| February 5, 2011, 11:17 pm
Those PCU commanders sure are crafty. Framing the Russians? I'll have to take note of that one, might come in handy later.
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| February 5, 2011, 11:22 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Those PCU commanders sure are crafty. Framing the Russians? I'll have to take note of that one, might come in handy later.

Please do so I can shove a boot up your rear.

Anyhow, any forthcoming allegations that the Russian Federation is any way involved in this Pacific squabble will be shot down. I think it's fairly obvious that any military resources in our eastern sector are limited to defense only granted logistical attrition drains any offensive capability. Plus, my beef is with Evan and no other(s).
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| February 5, 2011, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Tom may need to take over soon...

With pleasure, my good man!
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| February 5, 2011, 11:48 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
With pleasure, my good man!


I'll throw this out to all my reportees: Change up your plans, but don't worry, your secrets are safe with me. Combat mod's word.
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| February 5, 2011, 11:58 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Please do so I can shove a boot up your rear.


Didn't specifically mean framing you >.>
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| February 6, 2011, 12:00 am
The Valkyrie MKII is up for buying or trading (for 300 million) in week.
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| February 6, 2011, 12:07 am
Cool CM Awe, but an American carrier would be lucky to walk away with light damage from the BASMs and American aircraft carriers are da best!
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| February 6, 2011, 12:10 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Didn't specifically mean framing you >.>

My bad, yo. Imma go chill in my corner and feel like a meaniehead now.

In other news the Federation has begun the rapid development and production of two light truck families. One is the Light Internally Transportable Vehicle (LITV) in which case is a compact unit meant to be carried either within medium- to heavy-lift airframes or externally lifted by the same sorts of aircraft. The goal of the LITV is to carry a slimmed-down squad of men to and fro within early established lines. The other truck family is the Interim Utility Vehicle (IUV) in which will be a light logistics vehicle capable of being extended for medium payloads as well. Both families will feature similar components so we may have at least a 60% exchange rate in terms of field repairs. This will cut down on both production and upkeep costs, which will surely relieve some of the monetary pressure faced by all branches.
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| February 6, 2011, 12:16 am
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Quoting Jake H.
Cool CM Awe, but an American carrier would be lucky to walk away with light damage from the BASMs and American aircraft carriers are da best!


But Brendan builds the best carriers, and I always favor good MOCs over real things. That's the way the game works, you know.
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| February 6, 2011, 12:20 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But Brendan builds the best carriers, and I always favor good MOCs over real things. That's the way the game works, you know.

I'll keep that in mind.

However, my point remains, Brendan's carriers don't have much in the way of missile defenses.

/goes to build BASM
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| February 6, 2011, 12:27 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Jack, the offer still stands! Surrender Palin and this can be avoided!

The act of aggression against Alaska constitutes an act of war against the WC under the USNA agreement. Stand down at once or risk certain war.

You will likely be facing more than just two enemies, not only will you have continuous protests on the streets of Los Angeles, but also rock-bottom morale of your men fighting others they once called countrymen. This won't be pretty.
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| February 6, 2011, 12:29 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
but also rock-bottom morale of your men fighting others they once called countrymen. This won't be pretty.


They're the ones who will be defending their homes against invaders, even if those invaders were once called countrymen. Remember the Civil War?
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| February 6, 2011, 12:35 am
In the East today we have bolstered air, land and sea defenses everywhere. Also Pacific fleet X is being relocated and damages done on Midway are being assessed.
We fully condemn the attacks against Alaska by the PU. They are taken as a declaration of war! Stand down or face the wrath of the the combined forces of the Eastern and Western Confederations.
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| February 6, 2011, 12:41 am
Just a heads-up, I won't be on at all tomorrow.
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| February 6, 2011, 12:46 am
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Oh, not me at all, it's you that has the problem now. How do they say it? A problem "Made in the USA?"

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
They're the ones who will be defending their homes against invaders, even if those invaders were once called countrymen. Remember the Civil War?

What invaders?
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| February 6, 2011, 12:49 am
SCRAM jet is done, I'll probably post pics tomorrow. We hope to have ten-fifteen completed by the end of the week.
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| February 6, 2011, 12:56 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
What invaders?


I assumed you'd try and "liberate" PCU lands.
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| February 6, 2011, 1:02 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I assumed you'd try and "liberate" PCU lands.

Not yet. But I'm surprised his pilots could stomach such a move.
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| February 6, 2011, 1:06 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I assumed you'd try and "liberate" PCU lands.


I want to see him try.
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| February 6, 2011, 1:06 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Not yet. But I'm surprised his pilots could stomach such a move.


Actually, I'm not. The PCU's been around since 2013, with a little propaganda over the years, it wouldn't be hard to turn brother against brother. Again, look at the Civil War for an example of how ruthless we Americans can be to each other.
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| February 6, 2011, 1:11 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Actually, I'm not. The PCU's been around since 2013, with a little propaganda over the years, it wouldn't be hard to turn brother against brother. Again, look at the Civil War for an example of how ruthless we Americans can be to each other.

True...

Hmm. Maybe it's time I called up Guatemala on the redline...
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| February 6, 2011, 1:20 am
well I'm making my own cannon totting Valkyrie type thing...

it's smaller, and is made to be used in a more urban setting.
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| February 6, 2011, 1:25 am
/has just read ICF

Quoting Matt P
You know, you're probably right. If I did do that I'd probably be involved with this Pacific War right now.

And Danny, do you control/wish to control Sumatra? If not, then I may send troops to colonize it. If you wish to control Sumatra maybe we could divide the island so that you get half and I get half.

Uh, no, I do wish to reunite Sumatra with the rest of Indonesia, and I do not wish to share it's territory with anyone. You might want to look further, to Thailand or Vietnam if you wish to expand territory.

Quoting Jake H.
he was trying to expand peacefully, but Danny continually said "NOUCANHAZ!"

Precisely. Your point?

Quoting Ultramarine .
California, I don't want it.

Oh? I'd be very interested to hear how you came about that piece of trivia...

You, at least, understand why Alaska, NC, and the WC are at war with Japan? You said yourself it was 'excessive.' We're not meddling in Asian affairs, we're stopping genocide.

Then why am I involved in this thing? All I did was threaten Finn in an attempt to repel him from turning the country next to me into a Korean Army base (the Philippines).

And what Japan is doing may seem overkill, but civilian deaths are a natural byproduct of any major war. You Americans should know this best of all...

Quoting Jake H.
well I'm making my own cannon totting Valkyrie type thing...

it's smaller, and is made to be used in a more urban setting.

Glad I was of inspiration :P
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| February 6, 2011, 2:01 am
yeah, civilians will be going bye bye soon
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| February 6, 2011, 2:04 am
Quoting Jake H.
yeah, civilians will be going bye bye soon

/pulls out Lego Valkyrie from back of pants

You talk'n to me boy?

Oh and one other thing I wanted to mention: the new High altitude recon plane I was talking about is nearing completion... Thought I will have to break the Valkyrie to finish it :(
This new recon plane will be equipped with a belly mounted laser targeter, which is used to guide airstrikes very accurately, from a horizontal distance of up to 300 kilometers away.

Don't expect anything too grand, it is rather modest looking, not nearly as lethal looking as the Valkyrie from the front...
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| February 6, 2011, 2:28 am
ATTENTION ALL WARFIGHTERS ANGRY WITH THE PCU:

I will not be on Sunday-Saturday. All week. I cannot fight, for no one person knows my tactics as well as I do nor do I trust them to do my war for me.
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| February 6, 2011, 2:48 am
Quoting Jake H.
yeah, civilians will be going bye bye soon

Who's civilians?
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| February 6, 2011, 9:58 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
/pulls out Lego Valkyrie from back of pants

You talk'n to me boy?

Oh and one other thing I wanted to mention: the new High altitude recon plane I was talking about is nearing completion... Thought I will have to break the Valkyrie to finish it :(
This new recon plane will be equipped with a belly mounted laser targeter, which is used to guide airstrikes very accurately, from a horizontal distance of up to 300 kilometers away.

Don't expect anything too grand, it is rather modest looking, not nearly as lethal looking as the Valkyrie from the front...

I can't wait for it. I'm planning on building both a cruise missile, and a recon UAV. I'm running out of ideas for the UAV though >.:l
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| February 6, 2011, 10:15 am
Currently, the CDC is mainly focusing it's efforts on economic growth, which seems to be paying off greatly. While the middle class is rapidly growing, our "blue collar" workforce is unaffected, as our citizens are getting wealthier from these new jobs, and will most likely keep them. Economists are currently trying to figure out a course of action for when the next generation of middle class workers grow up with more education, and seek more "white collar" jobs.

Access to high quality healthcare across the CDC is now available almost anywhere in the country, as the many clinics, hospitals, and pharmacies that were built after the unification are nearing completion.

We have also begun working on an arms deal with the post-revolution Egyptian government. They will mainly be purchasing our M908A4 Longhorn Main Battle Tanks, our new LAV-45 Badgers, and possibly some other equipment.
The F-42 project is going along very nicely, and we are expecting final prototypes by the end of the week.

With the current state of widespread conflict in the world, many investors unsure of the future are investing in CDC industries, and a new stock exchange has been opened up in Nassau. To help even the playing fields between small businesses and the large corporations recieving foriegn investment, all stock transactions (exluding dividends) are being taxed a 2% rate, with this money going to the CDC Small Business Association. Small businesses will also be recieving a .5% tax cut for the next 6 years.

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| February 6, 2011, 12:53 pm
After a long debate in Parliament, there will be huge cuts in the Capital Gains Taxes across our territories, and mainly in out markets. This means that if you make money in our stock markets, we will not tax your profits as much. This will be balanced with cuts in health care, welfare, and large cuts in environmental spending. Because of the low unemployment rates and almost having the entire population over the poverty line we hope to completely cut welfare all together. Parliament has also passed the small business package, which cuts taxes by almost 10% to all new small business, and they will receive continued tax cuts for up to 5 years.

A recent poll was taken from our citizens, and 80% of them said that they believed that our government has done a good job. We expect that our party will do very well during the next election.

On Jamaica, two shipyards will be constructed along with the other military installations on the island. The location of these shipyards will not be disclosed. On the British Virgin Islands, a secret bomb proof istallation is being created on the coastline. Finally the land-based MULBERY radar system has arrived from Britain and will be installed on the "highground" in Jamaica. The contruction of none of these installations will affect any sort of tourism or balance in the region. They are strictly defensive and do not pose a threat to anyone. Also on another Caribean note, advertisement for vacationing on our islands has begun, although tourism to our islands are already quite high, we wish them to be even higher so that are newly aquired Caribbean economies can get stronger.

The planned construction of two new Repulse-Class Battlecruisers has begun in South Africa. These ships will be some of the strongest ships in the world, and will lead special ground support and anti-shipping battlegroups. Another 3 ships of this class are planned as well.
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| February 6, 2011, 1:28 pm
Today In Brazil...

The Goventment has decided on building rail stations and subway routes in our main cities and through the rest of the territory to help cut congestion on the roadways.

Construction of a second Rio Class Carrier has commenced, adding new weaponry and equipment to the ship will make it a world-beater. The Navy has made a request to buy frigates for the backbone of a new Second Fleet.

Research into making a new long-range multirole cruise missile has begun. Following orders from the Defence Committee, our cities and industrial areas are about 15% protected. All of our Pacific Islands are on high alert following news of an attack on Midway. AAA and SAM sites are popping up all around our islands along with bunkers, beach defences, and Advanced Radar and Jamming equipment.
Talking about Radar and Jammers, we have begun modifying secret airframes into ECW stations.

Troops on Okinawa have received orders to arm their MGs and Ready the AA. Also PT-Boats armed with ASW packages are roaming around our islands. Pretty much were in Kill 'em all mode.
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| February 6, 2011, 1:43 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Uh, no, I do wish to reunite Sumatra with the rest of Indonesia, and I do not wish to share it's territory with anyone. You might want to look further, to Thailand or Vietnam if you wish to expand territory.


Hey, look at this, Matt! Your 'ally' just told you to "GTFO my territory!" No appreciation...

Quoting Danny Morgan
And what Japan is doing may seem overkill, but civilian deaths are a natural byproduct of any major war. You Americans should know this best of all...

Cool story bro, turns out that critical reading skills really do come in handy from time to time:

Quoting CR: "But you've released a statement to go with this war report: More Koreans will die for each day the Americans don't withdraw, the bombings will go on."

^Yeah, natural byproduct my foot...
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| February 6, 2011, 3:29 pm
Planning of the Caribbean Defense Pact has been completed, and it has been decided that the small force will be based out of Hispaniola, and be under the administration of the CDC Marine Corps. All member nations (including Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, St Lucia, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada, Dominica and Saint Kitts and Nevis) will begin recruiting for the all-volunteer force now, and will begin allocating funding. The CDC has pledged $1 Billion for this purely defensive force, and will be supplying most of the equipment. Officially called the Caribbean Defense Force, it will only deploy at the consent of 5 of the 9 nations involved (excluding the CDC). All facilities and training will be provided by the CDC.
The arms deal with Egypt is still being worked out, as is a new deal with Colombia. Due to the expected increase in production, all manufacturing plants will be receiving slight expansion.

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| February 6, 2011, 3:33 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Danny Morgan
Uh, no, I do wish to reunite Sumatra with the rest of Indonesia, and I do not wish to share it's territory with anyone. You might want to look further, to Thailand or Vietnam if you wish to expand territory.


Hey, look at this, Matt! Your 'ally' just told you to "GTFO my territory!" No appreciation...

Quoting Danny Morgan
And what Japan is doing may seem overkill, but civilian deaths are a natural byproduct of any major war. You Americans should know this best of all...

Cool story bro, turns out that critical reading skills really do come in handy from time to time:

Quoting CR: "But you've released a statement to go with this war report: More Koreans will die for each day the Americans don't withdraw, the bombings will go on."

^Yeah, natural byproduct my foot...

Sheesh, I'm not telling Australia to 'GTF0' of Sumatra. I'm just giving him a heads up. You overreacting, Ultra?

As for Korea, I admit, I must have missed Japan's statement. Was the comment deleted? Because I can't find any of Brendan's comments that say that...

If it is true, then well, that pretty much passes the blame partly onto your own soldiers and pilots, clever really. So by attacking Japan again, you either think you will obliterate their military in one stroke, or you don't really care about the lives of the Koreans.
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| February 6, 2011, 3:41 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

As a result of the egregious and unprovoked attack on Alaska by the PCU, and it's aggression against our territory of Midway Island, a state of war now exists between the Pacific Union and the Western Confederation.

Full mobilization of the Western Confederation military is in effect. All garrisons are on alert, all leaves and vacations have been canceled. Furthermore, 8,000 Guatemalan infantry and marines have been pledged to the fight by that government. 80% of the remaining WC Atlantic fleet is en route to the Pacific to bolster our position there.

This war was completely avoidable, please note that you are all witnesses as to who fired the first shot.

Quoting Danny Morgan
As for Korea, I admit, I must have missed Japan's statement. Was the comment deleted? Because I can't find any of Brendan's comments that say that...

If it is true, then well, that pretty much passes the blame partly onto your own soldiers and pilots, clever really. So by attacking Japan again, you either think you will obliterate their military in one stroke, or you don't really care about the lives of the Koreans.

It's in the combat report.

We are each exclusively responsible for our own actions. If I stop, he will continue to conquer Korea, so nothing will change. I deal in black and white, makes things easier.
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| February 6, 2011, 3:48 pm
A trading deal is being ironed out with Algeria, we give sell them military stuff, and in return we buy more of their goods, and help them with their economy.
We'll also be opening a new UAV manufacturing plant in Algeria shortly. This will provide jobs for the Algerians living in that area.
Our SCRAM jet is done. It is launched from a B-1 and is capable of carrying a 1,000 pound bomb or missile into sub-orbit.
Our UAV heli-plane hybird is nearing completion.
We have completed our Cruise Missile, dubbed the Y-Bomb. >.>
An air superiority fighter may or may not be built.
We're starting construction on a recon UAV.
ummm...yah.
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| February 6, 2011, 3:58 pm
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Before noon today, several high-ranking Chechen secessionists were found dead, piled, and stripped bare on the side of an agricultural road several dozen kilometers outside of Grozny. Presently, the vigilantes who did us this great favor are not known, but we don't care to press the matter either. With our hats off, the Federation approached the remaining Chechen oligarchy to sue for their surrender. Presently, the opening talks have come about quite smoothly but things can surely change for the worse.

Also, with lessons learned from the Third Chechen War, the defense ministry has pressed more rigorous training for both specialized mountaineers and standardized infantry in the Chechen Sector of the Federation. This will encompass marksman training, generalized maneuvers, mechanized and aerial dismounting, logistics, and everything in between. We hope to see a large betterment in performance once the program concludes.

Moving to the west, the Russian embassy in Ukraine has heard rumors of emergency public voting after civvie distress levels picked up over the past few days. This may mean a large change in foreign policy and an instability of power in the Black Sea. The Union State's combine governments will continue to press fro pro-Russian parties to gain popular support by using anti-Byzantium propaganda built upon recent aggression.
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| February 6, 2011, 3:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, in the Western Confederation...

As a result of the egregious and unprovoked attack on Alaska by the PCU, and it's aggression against our territory of Midway Island, a state of war now exists between the Pacific Union and the Western Confederation.

Full mobilization of the Western Confederation military is in effect. All garrisons are on alert, all leaves and vacations have been canceled. Furthermore, 8,000 Guatemalan infantry and marines have been pledged to the fight by that government. 80% of the remaining WC Atlantic fleet is en route to the Pacific to bolster our position there.

This war was completely avoidable, please note that you are all witnesses as to who fired the first shot.

Ok, firstly, no one knows who attacked Midway. I don't think it was the PCU though, because they already openly attacked Alaska, so why would they go sneaky on Midway? I think it is someone who you are already not at war with, someone whom you have had quarrels with that aren't related to the Pacific war, and want to cause you agitation. Or I could be just totally wrong.

So no, Nick did not fire the first shot. Not at you at least.

On another matter:
Indonesia has revised it's decision on not allowing Australia territory on Sumatra. It may have seemed a little stingy of me, but Indonesian land is Indonesian land, and there are few rebels in Sumatra, so it's not going to be like Borneo or Sulawesi or New Guinea.

So, as for the revised decision: we will allow Australia to build up to 8 bases (army, navy or Air) within 650 kilometers of the southern most tip of Sumatra, BUT WITH A CONDITION: if the islands of Sumatra, or Java, are attacked, The Australian military stationed in northern Sumatra MUST act to defend these two islands, with a minimum of 30% of all military equipment used to help reinforce Sumatra and/or Java in the event that these get attacked. The other 70% may flee back to Australia if it wants.

These are my terms, accept them, or decline them, choice be yours.
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| February 6, 2011, 4:11 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
The S. Korean population may not have the same opinion, however.

The real question is, does YOUR population have the same opinion?
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| February 6, 2011, 4:13 pm
it waz ze Rushianz!
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| February 6, 2011, 4:15 pm
@ Jake
A lot of fancy new craft I see.
I WOULD like to build another 5 or so projects within the next few weeks, but I'm not sure I'd I'm allowed to.

Does anyone know if I'm allowed to build a whole bunch of quality military vehicles in Indonesia's relatively low economy? Do building skills out-rank a nation's economy? I'm told this group was about encouraging people to build more military MOCs, so...

Quoting Jake H.
it waz ze Rushianz!

You reckon? Russia seemed quite peeved at the PCU pretending to be them in their attack of Alaska, so I don't think so...
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| February 6, 2011, 4:21 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
And what Japan is doing may seem overkill, but civilian deaths are a natural byproduct of any major war. You Americans should know this best of all...

Quoting The Combat Report
A vast array of Japanese fighters and bombers, and many many missiles, rained down on Seoul and other cities. The attacks were not concentrated on anything, they just hit wherever they landed. The Japanese navy began shelling whatever coastal towns were in range on their patrols.

Sounds like a real "natural byproduct" doesn't it. Almost sounds like no military damage was done...
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| February 6, 2011, 4:28 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
You reckon? Russia seemed quite peeved at the PCU pretending to be them in their attack of Alaska, so I don't think so...

I'm not entirely peeved; I think it was rather smooth. However, I'm not going to have a fad of "scammers" blame the Russian people for attacks regardless if they [the Russians] committed them or not.

Anyhow, in reference your military equipment/project inquiry, you're allowed to open/build all the kits you want. However, to say you instantaneously built three hundred vehicles a day after the prototype went into production is another story. We have no problem with having multiple programs open granted that's how reality works, but we do have a problem with spawning thousands of vehicles in a week's time. Fair enough?
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| February 6, 2011, 4:30 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I'm not entirely peeved; I think it was rather smooth. However, I'm not going to have a fad of "scammers" blame the Russian people for attacks regardless if they [the Russians] committed them or not.

Anyhow, in reference your military equipment/project inquiry, you're allowed to open/build all the kits you want. However, to say you instantaneously built three hundred vehicles a day after the prototype went into production is another story. We have no problem with having multiple programs open granted that's how reality works, but we do have a problem with spawning thousands of vehicles in a week's time. Fair enough?

Got it thanks. So I can still build as many Prototypes as I want, as long as I spawn them at a rate my factories can handle...

Speaking of which, my first two (excluding the Prototype) Valkyrie MKII's are scheduled to roll off the production line later today! (one from each factory, the two factories that normally assemble The Original Valkyries have been updated to build the new Valkyries (see most recent MOC) ).

Quoting Will G.
Quoting The Combat Report
A vast array of Japanese fighters and bombers, and many many missiles, rained down on Seoul and other cities. The attacks were not concentrated on anything, they just hit wherever they landed. The Japanese navy began shelling whatever coastal towns were in range on their patrols.

Sounds like a real "natural byproduct" doesn't it. Almost sounds like no military damage was done...

Yes, he was trying to damage anything Korean he could find, BECAUSE it is in defiance of the Americans attacking him, he's putting his 'more Korean civvies die for every attack by the Americans' into action.
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| February 6, 2011, 4:34 pm
I'd like to make a main list of everyone involved in this War. It may be updated regularly. Let me know if I got the statuses wrong:

Japan: Main aggressor: team 1
WC: Main aggressor: team 2
PCU: Main aggressor: team 1
Alaska: Main aggressor: team 2
New England: Supportive role: team 2
Areesta-Land: Supportive role: team 1
Eastern Confederation: Supportive role: team 2
China: possible soon-to-be main aggressor, supportive role: team 1
Indo Union: Supportive role: team 1
Britain: Supportive role: team 2
Australia: Unsure
Korea: main aggressor / martyr: team 2

Everyone else except the secret person who is messing with Alaska's radar: Neutral.

I think i got this right. Supportive role is supposed to be supporting your team without entering actual conflict. I think most of the people who are right now Supportive roles will end up as main aggressors at some point.
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| February 6, 2011, 5:15 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'd like to make a main list of everyone involved in this War. It may be updated regularly. Let me know if I got the statuses wrong:

Japan: Main aggressor: team 1
WC: Main aggressor: team 2
PCU: Main aggressor: team 1
Alaska: Main aggressor: team 2
New England: Supportive role: team 2
Areesta-Land: Supportive role: team 1
Eastern Confederation: Supportive role: team 2
China: possible soon-to-be main aggressor, supportive role: team 1
Indo Union: Supportive role: team 1
Baltic Union: Supportive role: team 2
Australia: Unsure
Korea: main aggressor / martyr: team 2

Everyone else except the secret person who is messing with Alaska's radar: Neutral.

I think i got this right. Supportive role is supposed to be supporting your team without entering actual conflict. I think most of the people who are right now Supportive roles will end up as main aggressors at some point.

I am about to change, just thought I'd let you know.
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| February 6, 2011, 5:18 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'd like to make a main list of everyone involved in this War. It may be updated regularly. Let me know if I got the statuses wrong:

Japan: Main aggressor: team 1
WC: Main aggressor: team 2
PCU: Main aggressor: team 1
Alaska: Main aggressor: team 2
New England: Supportive role: team 2
Areesta-Land: Supportive role: team 1
Eastern Confederation: Supportive role: team 2
China: possible soon-to-be main aggressor, supportive role: team 1
Indo Union: Supportive role: team 1
Baltic Union: Supportive role: team 2
Australia: Unsure
Korea: main aggressor / martyr: team 2

Everyone else except the secret person who is messing with Alaska's radar: Neutral.

I think i got this right. Supportive role is supposed to be supporting your team without entering actual conflict. I think most of the people who are right now Supportive roles will end up as main aggressors at some point.

Australia is remaining neutral for now.

And Danny, do you control/wish to control Sumatra? If not, I am going to colonize it and make it a territory. If so, maybe we could split the island half and half.
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| February 6, 2011, 5:43 pm
Quoting Will G.
I am about to change, just thought I'd let you know.

Why thankyou for warning us. This is a most unusual move coming from you: warning your enemies of when you will attack us.
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| February 6, 2011, 5:49 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan

you have a satellite right?
Quoting Danny Morgan
You reckon? Russia seemed quite peeved at the PCU pretending to be them in their attack of Alaska, so I don't think so...

I meant Alenian.

about the projects, if you build them but don't produce many of them, yes. So, just wait for your economy to pick up before mass producing. (I've been a third world country too ya know ;))

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jake_h/
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| February 6, 2011, 6:13 pm
I are in WW3. Funny, I think... Me, Danny, Ultra, Jake and Brendon. Brendon making the first move and Danny and I provoking one another.
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| February 6, 2011, 6:50 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
I are in WW3. Funny, I think... Me, Danny, Ultra, Jake and Brendon. Brendon making the first move and Danny and I provoking one another.

Tell me if you need any vehicles.
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| February 6, 2011, 7:08 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Tell me if you need any vehicles.

If I start loosing, then yes(or if Awelet decides to be a downer)
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| February 6, 2011, 7:14 pm
Mark out that last statement gentlemen.

Quoting Ultramarine

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Inglip is with me. HAAAILLLLL IIINNNGGGLLLIIIIPPPPP!

Quoting Danny Morgan

I do not pick sides, I fight for what I think is right and nothing else.
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| February 6, 2011, 7:56 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I meant Alenian.

I don't have any submarines. And if I did, I wouldn't be able to get them to the Pacific inside of a few months.

Quoting Nick Shelton
I do not pick sides, I fight for what I think is right and nothing else.

Plunder and loot?
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| February 6, 2011, 8:10 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Inglip is with me. HAAAILLLLL IIINNNGGGLLLIIIIPPPPP!

Even though I fly through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am at 15,000 feet and climbing.

just had to throw that in there
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| February 6, 2011, 8:26 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Quoting Nick Shelton
I do not pick sides, I fight for what I think is right and nothing else.

Plunder and loot?

Yep
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| February 6, 2011, 8:28 pm
Egypt has agreed to purchase a fleet of 2,000 908A4 Longhorn Main Battle Tanks to replacing their aging M60s, T-62s, and T-55s. They will also recieve production rights to the F-42 (upon development). In return, the CDC will be recieving 5 M1A2 Main Battle Tanks (for testing and evaluation purposes), along with $10,000,000,000. They will also be buying an additional 30,000,000 rounds of 7.62 ammunition.
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| February 6, 2011, 8:44 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Egypt has agreed to purchase a fleet of 2,000 908A4 Longhorn Main Battle Tanks to replacing their aging M60s, T-62s, and T-55s. They will also recieve production rights to the F-42 (upon development). In return, the CDC will be recieving 5 M1A2 Main Battle Tanks (for testing and evaluation purposes), along with $10,000,000,000. They will also be buying an additional 30,000,000 rounds of 7.62 ammunition.

2,000?
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| February 6, 2011, 8:47 pm
Quoting Will G.
2,000?

Yes, Egypt currently has almost 4,000 Cold War era junkers lying around, however we figure that one Longhorn can easily take out 2 T-55s any day.
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| February 6, 2011, 8:50 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Inglip is with me. HAAAILLLLL IIINNNGGGLLLIIIIPPPPP!

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies..."

I always have the higher ground.
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| February 6, 2011, 8:57 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Inglip is with me. HAAAILLLLL IIINNNGGGLLLIIIIPPPPP!

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies..."

I always have the higher ground.

"Put on the full armor of God, that you may be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming missiles of the evil one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."
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| February 6, 2011, 9:06 pm
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Quoting Will G.

Amen. Now, up brothers, and to war!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvmLDkAgAM
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| February 6, 2011, 9:08 pm
"Governor, what will happen to my children if the PCU is thwarted?"

"Palin University."

"WE MUST NOT FAIL."
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| February 6, 2011, 9:11 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies..."

I always have the higher ground.


Inglip judex justus, fortis, et patiens; numquid irascitur per singulos dies? Nisi conversi fueritis, gladium suum vibrabit; arcum suum tetendit, et paravit illum. Et in eo paravit vasa mortis, sagittas suas ardentibus effecit.

Ave Inglip!
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| February 6, 2011, 9:12 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
"Governor, what will happen to my children if the PCU is thwarted?"

"Palin University."

"WE MUST NOT FAIL."


THIS IS IT LUIGI
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| February 6, 2011, 9:29 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q WW3

I think if nations in Europe/Africa/Middle east get involved, then yes it would be WWIII, but at the moment it seems to be between two continents only.

Technically, I started it by denying you the Philippines, but really it was Ultra and Jake jumping into the fray that set things off.
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| February 6, 2011, 9:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Inglip is with me. HAAAILLLLL IIINNNGGGLLLIIIIPPPPP!

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies..."

I always have the higher ground.

Here's the newest version from the 2013 Zombie Apocalypse (I invented):

Even As I walk through the rotting valley of the Undead, I will fear no flesh-addict, for thou ammunition pouches are full, and thy Samurai Swords honed to perfection.
For thy was given these gifts for a reason: to slay thee, demonic minions of the underworld. For I am D-Dog.
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| February 6, 2011, 9:58 pm
UAV heli/jet hybrid almost done, just looking for the last few pieces.

Quoting Danny Morgan
I think if nations in Europe/Africa/Middle east get involved, then yes it would be WWIII, but at the moment it seems to be between two continents only.

Technically, I started it by denying you the Philippines, but really it was Ultra and Jake jumping into the fray that set things off.

yeah, I turned what would of been a spark into a match.
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| February 6, 2011, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
I oddly understand that.


Goood...

To everyone else linking speeches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLhvFSmhGC0

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| February 6, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Inglip judex justus, fortis, et patiens; numquid irascitur per singulos dies? Nisi conversi fueritis, gladium suum vibrabit; arcum suum tetendit, et paravit illum. Et in eo paravit vasa mortis, sagittas suas ardentibus effecit.

Ave Inglip!

Understand like...half of that v.v
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| February 6, 2011, 10:20 pm
But then, if Ultra and Jake hadn't had got involved, this group wouldn't be half as interesting as it is now...

Did anyone read my zombie apoc thing?
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| February 6, 2011, 10:21 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Understand like...half of that v.v

I understand 90% cause I used Google Translate... they don't offer Latin at my school. :(
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| February 6, 2011, 10:23 pm
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Here's the translation for my Latin: Inglip is a just judge, strong and patient: is he angry every day? Except you will be converted, he will brandish his sword; he has bent his bow, and made it ready. And in it he has prepared to instruments of death, he has made ready his arrows for them that burn.

Hail Inglip!
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| February 6, 2011, 10:25 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
But then, if Ultra and Jake hadn't had got involved, this group wouldn't be half as interesting as it is now...

Exactly 8D
Quoting Danny Morgan
Did anyone read my zombie apoc thing?

we did, we just find latin more interesting :p
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| February 6, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Did anyone read my zombie apoc thing?


I sure hope that I am misunderstanding you here, because without any context other than the two posts on this, it would seem that you want to have had a zombie apoc in this world...

I do not think that is what you meant (or else I would have a heart attack) but in any case that would be a no-go...
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| February 6, 2011, 10:27 pm
Does anyone know if there will be a combat report tonight?
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| February 6, 2011, 10:30 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Exactly 8D
Quoting Danny Morgan
Did anyone read my zombie apoc thing?

we did, we just find latin more interesting :p

But... But.... Zombies > Latin
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| February 6, 2011, 10:30 pm
Quoting Will G.
Does anyone know if there will be a combat report tonight?

I hope so.

@Avella, I'd be willing to set up a manufacturing plant for you in Canada, if I got to produce and/or buy your new tank.

A deal is being made with Egypt to buy their old cold war tanks for scrap metal.
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| February 6, 2011, 10:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN3ZHJoFHmA

I loved this movie.
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| February 6, 2011, 10:34 pm
Quoting Will G.
Does anyone know if there will be a combat report tonight?

Tom probably went to sleep after the horrible loss of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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| February 6, 2011, 10:36 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Don't know, but it should be interesting, if you know what I mean...

mmm...oh yes.

two more nations entering the fray.
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| February 6, 2011, 10:42 pm
Quoting Will G.
Does anyone know if there will be a combat report tonight?

I don't know. Tom might be busy. Or watching the Super Bowl.
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| February 6, 2011, 10:43 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I don't know. Tom might be busy. Or watching the Super Bowl.

The Super Bowl was won by the Packers, whom Tom was rooting for. I suppose that explains his absence.

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| February 6, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN3ZHJoFHmA

I loved this movie.


Oh mad gawd dawg, oh mah gawd...

Today, in China:
-same as yesterday.
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| February 6, 2011, 10:54 pm
Is it me or has Tom not be on in a while?
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| February 6, 2011, 10:54 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
Is it me or has Tom not be on in a while?

Considering the two-page novel I sent him, he won't be on for a month...

Quoting Brendan Dore
Don't know, but it should be interesting, if you know what I mean...

Oh, it will be a blast.
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| February 6, 2011, 11:25 pm
Recently: several Alenian strike squadrons equipped with upgraded Su-27 "Flanker" fighter aircraft are currently establishing themselves in a number of airfields hidden in rural areas along the Chinese coastline. Their mission orders are to carry out the Hawaii transit limitation declaration to the letter. Any aircraft passing more than 500 kilometres beyond the islands of Hawaii WILL be attacked. There will be no exceptions to this. The moment ground radar installations detect an interloper, the Flankers will be scrambled and it doesn't matter if it's a military bomber or a civilian airliner carrying the Prime Minister of Alaska. More to the point: it doesn't matter if you're actively engaged in hostilities, either. You fly it past Hawaii, you lose it.
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| February 7, 2011, 6:33 am
Quoting Jake H.
@Avella, I'd be willing to set up a manufacturing plant for you in Canada, if I got to produce and/or buy your new tank.

Thats fine.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:05 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Recently: several Alenian strike squadrons equipped with upgraded Su-27 "Flanker" fighter aircraft are currently establishing themselves in a number of airfields hidden in rural areas along the Chinese coastline. Their mission orders are to carry out the Hawaii transit limitation declaration to the letter. Any aircraft passing more than 500 kilometres beyond the islands of Hawaii WILL be attacked. There will be no exceptions to this. The moment ground radar installations detect an interloper, the Flankers will be scrambled and it doesn't matter if it's a military bomber or a civilian airliner carrying the Prime Minister of Alaska. More to the point: it doesn't matter if you're actively engaged in hostilities, either. You fly it past Hawaii, you lose it.

problem #1: my island paradise east of Australia.
problem #2: Brikkr's islands.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:02 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Recently: several Alenian strike squadrons equipped with upgraded Su-27 "Flanker" fighter aircraft are currently establishing themselves in a number of airfields hidden in rural areas along the Chinese coastline. Their mission orders are to carry out the Hawaii transit limitation declaration to the letter. Any aircraft passing more than 500 kilometres beyond the islands of Hawaii WILL be attacked. There will be no exceptions to this. The moment ground radar installations detect an interloper, the Flankers will be scrambled and it doesn't matter if it's a military bomber or a civilian airliner carrying the Prime Minister of Alaska. More to the point: it doesn't matter if you're actively engaged in hostilities, either. You fly it past Hawaii, you lose it.

And what if we send more planes hat are even more advanced?
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| February 7, 2011, 8:04 am
Quoting Will G.
And what if we send more planes hat are even more advanced?
It doesn't matter. Those planes can give an accurate report on the enemy's strength, allowing time for units back home to prepare for the big stick.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:48 am
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Quoting Will G.
And what if we send more planes hat are even more advanced?


Send forth, and find out.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:34 am
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After careful deliberation, the Federal Assembly in conjunction with the Defense Ministry has decided to put a focus on UAVs/UCAVs in regards to high-risk CAS sorties. Presently, Mil and Kamov have been jointly contracted to come up with several workable designs that may see limited and/or extended production periods. These unmanned vehicles will carry light-medium payloads to reduce the risk of in-flight maintenance errors, airframe stress, lesser maneuvering speeds, etc. We hope to have the prototypes completed within a two weeks' timeframe.

The Defense Ministry has also decided to put a focus on biodiesel as a means to reduce the dependency on fossil fuels and capital-consuming fuel purification. The primary resource for the biodiesel will hopefully be potatoes; something of great abundance in the Federation. If all goes well, by late spring we should be able to utilize the alternative fuel to cover one-fifth of our land-based vehicle pool. In the extended future, we may use the same fuel to burn in aircraft engines to further reduce petrol dependency. Again, these are all future ideas that may or may not see life.
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| February 7, 2011, 12:36 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Recently: several Alenian strike squadrons equipped with upgraded Su-27 "Flanker" fighter aircraft are currently establishing themselves in a number of airfields hidden in rural areas along the Chinese coastline. Their mission orders are to carry out the Hawaii transit limitation declaration to the letter. Any aircraft passing more than 500 kilometres beyond the islands of Hawaii WILL be attacked. There will be no exceptions to this. The moment ground radar installations detect an interloper, the Flankers will be scrambled and it doesn't matter if it's a military bomber or a civilian airliner carrying the Prime Minister of Alaska. More to the point: it doesn't matter if you're actively engaged in hostilities, either. You fly it past Hawaii, you lose it.

Little, tiny, itty-bitty problem.

Actually, two of them.

1. Midway (established and recognized territory of WC)
2. Wake (recognized territory of WC)

Unfortunately, you can't just come along and say I can't have them. Otherwise, I know some wing commanders who will be crying over their lost planes...
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| February 7, 2011, 12:51 pm
In the CDC, evaluation trials are currently going on between the M908A4 and M1A1 Abrams to see how well each tanks fair against each other, and determine what can be done to improve the M908 series (if anything), and complete the C (Cuban, not for export) line of tanks.
Also, the "Green" Energy Committee, after having ruled out nuclear power several months ago, has determined that the most efficient way to power the CDC is not just to cut fuel usage, but to encourage more oil well-preserving drilling techniques, in order to increase the life span of our oil wells in the gulf. Off-shore wind farms, along with natural gas wells, are being looked into with surveyors heading to many sites for evaluation.
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| February 7, 2011, 3:24 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Otherwise, I know some wing commanders who will be crying over their lost planes...

I know some heads of states who would like to see you try...
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| February 7, 2011, 3:40 pm
As we fully expected, the PCU has attacked. Thankfully due to the fact that they attacked so soon, the cruiser (LCS-1) that was reported to have been sunk wouldn't have had time to make it to Ketchikan. It would have taken probably a full day to reach Ketchikan from it's current port, and it had less than ten hours, so it wouldn't have been in the hot zone.

Anyway, our first action is to send an unarmed volunteer rescue orginization to Ketchikan, Wrangel, POW, and Petursburg to relocate the survivors. Firing upon these unarmed people is a violation of human rights, so I view this move as relatively safe.

According to military order, at any given moment, every other aircraft in the Alaska Airforce will be airborne. (All pilots are to work 12 hour shifts, schedules to be determined by their squadron commander) so an attack on any major town or outpost will not be succesfull.

We are blocking the highways connecting Skagway and Haines to the Yukon with mines and blockades. Due to the freezing weather, and the fact that the Chilkat and St. Elias mountain ranges are virtually impassible, this cancels out any chance of an over-land invasion.

The Battle of Alaska has begun... *doomy theme music*
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| February 7, 2011, 3:58 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I know some heads of states who would like to see you try...

I know some Tech that will make Areetsa's radar worthless.
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| February 7, 2011, 4:03 pm
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Quoting Will G.
The Super Bowl was won by the Packers, whom Tom was rooting for. I suppose that explains his absence.

You would be correct, good sir, and now, after receiving about 29 reports from all of you, I feel ready to take on the daunting task of turning all that into a crazy amalgamation of a CR, I should be done within a few hours.
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| February 7, 2011, 4:06 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I know some Tech that will make Areetsa's radar worthless.


If you're the one who messed around with Alaska, I wouldn't suggest hacking for the WC.
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| February 7, 2011, 4:50 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

If you're the one who messed around with Alaska, I wouldn't suggest hacking for the WC.

If you're the one who hacked Alaska, Portugal may need a little liberating if you know what I mean. Since when could you just hack another country anyway. All I have to say is, "Oh I hacked the PCU's radar and now they think China attacked them..." Besides, didn't that happen in MW2?

FUN FACT:
At any given time the Eastern Confederation Air Force has more planes ready to fly, if not flying in the skies at any given time than Kazakhstan has in its whole air force. :p
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| February 7, 2011, 5:00 pm
Quoting Jack Ford

-.-

Anyways, I stick with Areetsa on this one. I see no point in invading you if I can't hold the land.

Quoting Ultramarine

Come at me bro.

Quoting Will Gober

Come at me bro.

In PCU news, the PCU is confirming the war states between the EC, WC, and Alaskans.
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| February 7, 2011, 5:25 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Come at me bro.

In PCU news, the PCU is confirming the war states between the EC, WC, and Alaskans.

How do you go about hacking anyway?
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| February 7, 2011, 5:32 pm
Quoting Will G.
If you're the one who hacked Alaska, Portugal may need a little liberating if you know what I mean. Since when could you just hack another country anyway. All I have to say is, "Oh I hacked the PCU's radar and now they think China attacked them..." Besides, didn't that happen in MW2?


Where did you come this conclusion? I've been neutral this whole conflict, my only action being a deployment of diplomats to the Phillipines to negotiate alternatives to war.

And if you feel the desire to invade across the Atlantic and have me ally myself with Nick, come at me bro.
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| February 7, 2011, 5:33 pm
Quoting Will G.
How do you go about hacking anyway?

People call me a hacker, but I am not.

Hackers have mercy.
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| February 7, 2011, 5:36 pm
Quoting Will G.
How do you go about hacking anyway?

you employ hackers to try to hack into another gov.'s computer's, or you can create a malicious computer program, like the Israeli.
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| February 7, 2011, 5:46 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

If you're the one who messed around with Alaska, I wouldn't suggest hacking for the WC.

Wasn't me, Or was it? The world may never know... (cookie to whoever gets this)
Anyway, my hackers are on coffee break now, making malicious script takes coffee, ya know!
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| February 7, 2011, 6:47 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Where did you come this conclusion? I've been neutral this whole conflict, my only action being a deployment of diplomats to the Phillipines to negotiate alternatives to war.

And if you feel the desire to invade across the Atlantic and have me ally myself with Nick, come at me bro.

Sorry. I confused you and Brikkr there for a minute. Both of you are Latin countries, I assumed since I was replying to your comment you said it. My mind tends to be thinking about other things as I type these and sometimes I forget. You know what they say about assuming...
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| February 7, 2011, 6:53 pm
Quoting Hacking claims

I can't confirm or deny these claims, but I can tell you that these are the guys that spent their teen years hacking Windows XP...
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| February 7, 2011, 7:01 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Quoting Hacking claims

I can't confirm or deny these claims, but I can tell you that these are the guys that spent their teen years hacking Windows XP...

Well it'd better not have been you, 'cuz hacking a trade partner's radar systems and allowing an enemy to slip in and bomb me while my radar is down is a declaration of war by my standards... >.>

<.<

I'm going to be more cautious in future refference. Software has been updated so at least the hackers will have to spend more time getting into security than they did before.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:15 pm
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Quoting Will G.
All I have to say is, "Oh I hacked the PCU's radar and now they think China attacked them..." Besides, didn't that happen in MW2?

FUN FACT:
At any given time the Eastern Confederation Air Force has more planes ready to fly, if not flying in the skies at any given time than Kazakhstan has in its whole air force. :p


Except that wouldn't happen, I do not yet have a plane capable of striking across the sea to the PCU, and I highly doubt I'm welcome on Midway or Wake.

Oh, Fun but-not-really fact: China has more factories ready to assist Kazakhstan's aerial needs at any time than there are in all the Eastern Confederation.

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/095/580/original/comeatmebrozyzz.jpg?1296230517
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| February 7, 2011, 7:24 pm
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CR for February 7, 2037.

Japan:

Part of Ultra's plans called for a 50 kt thermobaric and 45 kt fuel-air warheads to be dropped on Tokyo and Yokohama, respectively. Whether or not this actually happened is still being assessed by me. I have to do some more research to determine the scientific validity of such weapons. The scientific feasibility is not looking too promising at the moment, as the Russian FOAB (the largest thermobaric weapon in the world today), produced an explosion only 44 tons equivalent of TNT, and I have trouble believing that a small piece of America would be able to design one with an explosion 50,000 tons equivalent of TNT in just 30 years. If I decide that some weapons really aren't scientifically accurate, then Ultra will have to find another way to kill millions of Japanese citizens from afar. If I decide that it was feasible, then those Japanese citizens are doomed.

Also, while the four carriers that wee attacked yesterday steamed back to port, they were attacked by New England's last three BASMs. on of the heavily0damaged carriers was finally sunk, the other heavily damaged one and the moderately damaged one escaped injury, and the previous lightly-damaged one is now moderately damaged. Those last three made it to the safety of port, where they are adequately protected for their period of repair.

Korea:

The main bulk of the Japanese Army, which landed over the following several days to support the Japanese Marines who were holding the beachhead, were able to go into action today, and after capturing the cities of Gangneung and Busan earlier, were able to initiate a pincer movement to try and capture the city of Chungju, which is still under way, The Korean Army, with infantry to spare, has put up a valiant fight, but to little avail in facing the better-equipped Japanese. The Koreans decision (of last year, check first ICF for this) to melt down all their old vehicles and replace them is beginning to sting them, as with only four new types of vehicles produced since, they have been woefully ill-prepared to stop the tide of the Japanese, though they are fighting for every inch. Preliminary reports show Korean citizens fleeing the destruction in their homes and joining the Army, after they train, they should be sent out as more infantry, but without enough time for decent training, it doesn't look like they're going to have much of an effect.

Speaking of the destruction of their cities, The Japanese continued their bombing raids, hitting both militarily targets as well as cities, the Japanese have been making good their promise that more Korean civvies die for every day the nosy Americans keep sticking their necks into others' business. The best the Korean Air Force has been able to do are hit-and-run attacks on the heavier Japanese air dominance. The Korean Navy is already decimated.

The Japanese are also setting up an effective blockade (air and sea) around Korea, to make sure that the Korean's far-off American friends can't get military vehicles in without a fight.

The war has become essentially a patriotic war for the Japanese, with their citizens cheering in the streets to support the reclaiming of the once-Japanese possession of Korea.

Hawaii:

50 F-16s were alerted by satellite o an impending invasion from the south, and launched to handle it. What they found was a Brazilian task force, tasked with landing 2 armored divisions on Hawaii. What followed was an epic battle, with the PCU pilots again and again flying and and running attacks on the ships, enduring anti-aircraft fire, all to save their precious Hawaii from the hands of foreigners. At the end of it all, after many hours, 35 F-16s were lost, and nearly every ship of the Brazilian fleet being sunken, sending 2 full armored divisions to the bottom. Only 5 combat ships managed to limp back to the Panama Canal with damage, no transports returned. The PCU pilots were regarded as heroes.

Baja:

The small WC base there was overrun, with three WC ships bombed, 9 WC planes and 5 PCU planes shot down, and 100 marines eventually surrendering. 1 F-29 was captured by the Pacific Union.

Oklahoma:

Soldiers of both the WC, EC, and Brazil attacked, but Surprise! No PCU troops to be found. In a massive operation that took several weeks, The PCU ferried out all personnel, most important equipment, and important documents out of Oklahoma aboard transports. In a stroke of genius, the trnasports IFF freqs were amde to read as civilian airliners, and none were challenged as they evacuated Oklahoma into neutral Atlantic Union-controlled Mexico, and further into PCU controlled Mexico. most PCU-loyal civvies of Oklahoma were also brought out aboard actual civilian airliners taken over for the purpose, and these managed to take friendly civilians to friendly lands.

All PCU military bases were subsequently blown up, so they would not be of use to the invaders.

Later, when the invasion by three separate nations commenced, the troops were taken aback by the lack of enemies, and remained so on-guard, that in one incident when two scouting patrols of different countries caught sight of each other, each assumed the other was the enemy, and about 26 troops were lost to friendly-fire before the situation was ironed out.

The invaders found nothing of use to them in Oklahoma. The vacation of Oklahoma has been a strategic success for the PCU.

Newfoundland:

Early in the morning, and realizing that they were essentially surrounded by the enemy, the PCU Ships, including HGS Ronald Reagan, boogied out of their base there, taking everything not nailed down (and some stuff that was) with them.

Space:

Jake's (what is your country called again?) Sam ASAT weapons system made a showing, and launched its missile at the IU's single satellite, but the IU has also placed much at stake in protecting their satellite, and vigilant satellite operators used the satellites propulsion system to move it out of the way (all satellites have systems to move them around in space), and the ASAT missile missed. (anyone who has as much of a knowledge base and interest in ASAT weapons as I do knows that an ASAT missiles launched at an actively-maneuverable satellite has about a 50/50 shot at actually killing the satellite, if the ground crew can't maneuver the satellite, then the satellite really has no chance). Since the ground crew for the IU was able to maneuver the satellite, the ASAT missile's chances were about 50/50, and it can out on the wrong side.

Alaska:

Surviving planes from the other day's attack lifted off from the PCU-captured air base and encountered what can only be described as "an ungodly amount of airplanes" put up by the Alaskans. With little room for attack, they bombed a few government buildings in nearby Juneau and then rushed out to friendly airspace.

PCU:

The big WC attack also came today. PCU Satellites and other such tech alerted them of the attack earlier on than expected, mitigating the element of surprise. By the time that the WC B-1 bombers headed in the carpet-bomb assault areas, the 30 MAF-1s and 50 F-35s on duty in the skies were vectored in, and they overwhelmed the bombers fighter cover. Before much bombing could be done, the WC aircraft were forced to retreat, with even more PCU aircraft taking up station behind the border.

losses:
WC:
12 escorting fighters
5 B-1s
PCU:
6 F-35s
4 MAF-1s

The rest of the PCU military was alerted enough that by the time the WC Army stormed the border, they met decisive resistance, heavy and prepared enough that they couldn't achieve the Blitzkrieg-style attack that they had wanted.

Even so: The WC sent:

The 18th division from Arizona to attack Southern California, where it was immediately bogged down at the border, thanks to a massive defense force set up by the PCU to stop invasion of this most vital of areas. ThePCU had apparently already obtained vital information on how this part of the attack was to play out. The WC leaders are now scrambling to try and figure out how the PCU got a hold of this information.

The 6th Marine division from Arizona into PCU-held-Mexico, where, after modest gains, they met coordinated resistance from not only the Mexicans there, but also the Oklahoma troops ferried there earlier. The opposition was strong enough that the 6th Marine was pushed back, and reservists had to be called out to keep the PCU from advancing north back into Arizona.

The 4th and 98th Divisions from Utah into Nevada and Southern Idaho, where the PCU traded space for time, and allowed an effective defense to be set up a good distance from the front. As of now, the WC advance has gone 40 miles, but was shut down when the PCU's effective defense engaged them.

The Montana National Guard into Idaho, where the effective defense was also met, and this smaller force was thrown back on their heels.

The 88th Division from Montana into Idaho, which had to be diverted south in order for them to assist the MNG. This prevented them from being able to reach Washington State, which has now rallied its defenses so as to prevent incursion.

So, on this new, major battlefield, at this hour, the WC advance has been pushed into both Nevada and Idaho, where it has now bogged down facing a PCU force of superior vehicles. The attempted WC advance into SoCal and NoMex is being pushed backwards, and thanks to good intel for the PCU, and the fact that the Oklahoman soldiers were on station in Mexico, at this time, the advance has actually been pushed back into Arizona by 2 miles, requiring the drawing of further soldiers from the WC's reserves. And Oklahoma is now a WC possession, though extreme anger at the loss of 26 soldiers to friendly-fire, and the fact that all the Pacific Union troops slipped through their fingers, has left much anger in that state.

And finally, Georgia:

Early the next morning, the HGS Ronald Reagan, departed recently from Newfoundland and her task force, launched her 40 IF-3s with an escort of 20 MAF-2 Doves (regarded as the best fighter on either side of the war), towards Savannah. They flew low to water to avoid detection. They dropped bombs on however many buildings as they could, only stopping to defend themselves and each other from EC fighters. Four B-52s from Newfoundland also launched from Nwef, and while the EC fighters were occupied with the PCU Navy aircraft, they carpet-bombed the city. All in all, it was a major PCU victory, at a time when the they had just been invaded, and they needed a victory. The damage done to the city was remarkable. The mayor of Savannah, plus several other important government figures, died when the capital was bombed. The Savannah port works were bombed into submission, and at least 8 EC Navy ships stationed at a Navy base that was hit, as well as all dry-dock facilities in the area, and most of the other docks as well. Airfields of the area, including the international airport, were hard hit, so much so that the EC's fighters had to leave early to fly to further off airfields.

losses:
PCU:
18 IF-3s
2 MAF-2s
1 B-52
EC:
27 fighter aircraft of various types
8 Navy vessels
heavy damage to city and surrounding military installations as discussed earlier.

After the attack, the Ronald Reagan task force slipped off of everybody's scopes, and is now hiding somewhere in the Atlantic, and it is notoriously hard for satellites to find ships in the open ocean.


Now, I'd like everyone to not send me a novel next time. Most days, I won't have enough time to get a proper CR out, so I can't take in a huge multitude of information. In fact, I might not even be here tomorrow, just a heads-up.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:26 pm
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Heads up here: I had nothing to do with any leaked information. I've said nothing to my allies about any secrets I was told during my time as combat moderator. On my honor.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:35 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

Don't worry, I will.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I know some heads of states who would like to see you try...

Eh?

Quoting Areetsa C

Just to recap, Midway and Wake are my territory. Your 'policing' action is fine and all (even though I will likely flaunt it and actively attempt to thwart it) but an attack on my aircraft there while they are in my airspace is literally an act of war. Just so you know that it goes further than "Stay out of Asian affairs!1!11!!"
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| February 7, 2011, 7:39 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Heads up here: I had nothing to do with any leaked information. I've said nothing to my allies about any secrets I was told during my time as combat moderator. On my honor.

Oh no, it's not you, but there was a rather special story sent to me.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:40 pm
I'll thank you kindly for bombing mah hometown >.>
anywaaaaays I believe it woulb be possible to maneuver an ASAT, or at least my ASATs. Sorry for not including that in the order's I sent you.

I'm happy I decreased the satellite's life span though
<.<

oh, and my nation's name is the S.U.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:40 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I'll thank you kindly for bombing mah hometown >.>
anywaaaaays I believe it woulb be possible to maneuver an ASAT, or at least my ASATs. Sorry for not including that in the order's I sent you.

I'm happy I decreased the satellite's life span though
<.<

oh, and my nation's name is the S.U.

Oh, I know you can maneuver an ASAT, but you can also maneuver a satellite. That's where the 50/50 thing comes from. Each operator has about a 50/50 shot at outmaneuvering the other.

What does S.U. stand for?
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| February 7, 2011, 7:48 pm
Syracuse University, of course.

Now Nick, don't go Syracuse, or else I might have to help you in doing so. Nothing to do here.

New a la Spaniard:
12 more Typhoons made in the past couple of weeks, inventory at 142 now.

20 more LeoE140s made since Tom gave me the thumbs up.

Cyber defenses to be reviewed after recent acts.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:53 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Oh no, it's not you, but there was a rather special story sent to me.

EMP ;_;
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| February 7, 2011, 7:55 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
EMP ;_;

Oh yes...

Korea (extra):

In a last ditch effort to try and stall the advancing Japanese, the Koreans launched several EMPs, which did some damage, but not much, as only a few armored vehicles were taken out of service.
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| February 7, 2011, 7:57 pm
HYEH HYEH HYEH. PCU went Nazi on Newfoundland and Oklahoma, boogied on out of there while the times were still good!

In Hawaii, the PCU that survive the war are going to be promoted and given the highly coveted Air Combat Cross.

Oklahoma is being struck off the combat register, it is off no use to me.

Quoting Ultramarine


The PCU is always up for a good fight. Will you still accept the ten helicopters this Friday, or shall I keep them?

Quoting Will Gober

I rolled the hard six on that one.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:19 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Oh, I know you can maneuver an ASAT, but you can also maneuver a satellite. That's where the 50/50 thing comes from. Each operator has about a 50/50 shot at outmaneuvering the other.

What does S.U. stand for?

Socialist Union.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:25 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Alaska:

Surviving planes from the other day's attack lifted off from the PCU-captured air base and encountered what can only be described as "an ungodly amount of airplanes" put up by the Alaskans. With little room for attack, they bombed a few government buildings in nearby Juneau and then rushed out to friendly airspace.

I'm not complaining, don't get me wrong, but there is no accesable friendly airspace adjacent to Juneau. The mountain range seperating Southeast Alaska from B.C. is all but impassable in the winter, and over the Pacific is right in the crosshairs of aircraft from other airforce bases.

Anyway, due to the minimal damage to the actual city, Juneau will not be evacuated at the moment. We'll move all highly important government matters to more hidden places.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU is always up for a good fight. Will you still accept the ten helicopters this Friday, or shall I keep them?

Oh, why thank you. I'll still take them.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:27 pm
Quoting Jake H.
problem #1: my island paradise east of Australia.
problem #2: Brikkr's islands.


Quoting Ultramarine .
1. Midway (established and recognized territory of WC)
2. Wake (recognized territory of WC)

Unfortunately, you can't just come along and say I can't have them. Otherwise, I know some wing commanders who will be crying over their lost planes...


Solution: they can live on half rations for a month or two.

Quoting Will G.
And what if we send more planes hat are even more advanced?

Quantity has a quality all its own.

Quoting Brikkr ™
I know some Tech that will make Areetsa's radar worthless.

You don't know anything about my radar. Old Alenia was as introverted as it's possibly for a nation to be since September 2013. And paranoid about outsiders.

As well: all technical experts in the country are required by law to watch a translated version of the Battlestar Galactica miniseries.

Quoting Will G.
At any given time the Eastern Confederation Air Force has more planes ready to fly, if not flying in the skies at any given time than Kazakhstan has in its whole air force. :p

But you've got no incentive to use them, considering you'd lose quite a few of 'em. Just remember Britain: ol' Jerry had better planes and more of 'em at the start, but they didn't have the fuel to loiter around for more than a few minutes.

You'll be flying halfway across the Pacific, I'll be right in Awe's yard.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Just to recap, Midway and Wake are my territory. Your 'policing' action is fine and all (even though I will likely flaunt it and actively attempt to thwart it) but an attack on my aircraft there while they are in my airspace is literally an act of war. Just so you know that it goes further than "Stay out of Asian affairs!1!11!!"

It's really quite simple: thwart/flaunt the declaration, lose the planes. I'd rather blast a dozen unidentified aircraft than let a single Alaskan aeroplane get through.

Is it really so difficult to ground airliners for a while? It's not like boats are limited. Only the armed ones. And only then when I can actually detect them. Which isn't very often, since Brendan's the one who likes to play Admiral Nelson II.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:27 pm
Funny I sent Tom a novel and was mentioned NEVER. I also stated I had most of my air force in the air in my battle plans. This PCU victory never happened. In fact, I don't see how B-52's could get into my air space without being noticed by my 100+ aircraft I stated were patrolling my skies. Tom, care to check your Flickr inbox again?
I sent the message at 6 Feb 11, 6.47PM MST
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| February 7, 2011, 8:30 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Funny I sent Tom a novel and was mentioned NEVER. I also stated I had most of my air force in the air in my battle plans. This PCU victory never happened. In fact, I don't see how B-52's could get into my air space without being noticed by my 100+ aircraft I stated were patrolling my skies. Tom, care to check your Flickr inbox again?

How did they get over my airspace?
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| February 7, 2011, 8:31 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Quoting Ultramarine .
1. Midway (established and recognized territory of WC)
2. Wake (recognized territory of WC)

Unfortunately, you can't just come along and say I can't have them. Otherwise, I know some wing commanders who will be crying over their lost planes...


Solution: they can live on half rations for a month or two.

Quoting Will G.
And what if we send more planes hat are even more advanced?

Quantity has a quality all its own.

Quoting Brikkr ™
I know some Tech that will make Areetsa's radar worthless.

You don't know anything about my radar. Old Alenia was as introverted as it's possibly for a nation to be since September 2013. And paranoid about outsiders.

As well: all technical experts in the country are required by law to watch a translated version of the Battlestar Galactica miniseries.

Quoting Will G.
At any given time the Eastern Confederation Air Force has more planes ready to fly, if not flying in the skies at any given time than Kazakhstan has in its whole air force. :p

But you've got no incentive to use them, considering you'd lose quite a few of 'em. Just remember Britain: ol' Jerry had better planes and more of 'em at the start, but they didn't have the fuel to loiter around for more than a few minutes.

You'll be flying halfway across the Pacific, I'll be right in Awe's yard.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Just to recap, Midway and Wake are my territory. Your 'policing' action is fine and all (even though I will likely flaunt it and actively attempt to thwart it) but an attack on my aircraft there while they are in my airspace is literally an act of war. Just so you know that it goes further than "Stay out of Asian affairs!1!11!!"

It's really quite simple: thwart/flaunt the declaration, lose the planes. I'd rather blast a dozen unidentified aircraft than let a single Alaskan aeroplane get through.

Is it really so difficult to ground airliners for a while? It's not like boats are limited. Only the armed ones. And only then when I can actually detect them. Which isn't very often, since Brendan's the one who likes to play Admiral Nelson II.

Could I pay you to fly food out there?


By the way, all of my vehicles are 10% off for the next week >.>
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| February 7, 2011, 8:36 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Oh yes...

Korea (extra):

In a last ditch effort to try and stall the advancing Japanese, the Koreans launched several EMPs, which did some damage, but not much, as only a few armored vehicles were taken out of service.

When you get back on, could you please re-read my ORIGINAL plans. Thought I'd let you know.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
How did they get over my airspace?

They flew from Newfoundland.
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| February 7, 2011, 8:39 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
They flew from Newfoundland.

What the? John Dawn?!
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| February 7, 2011, 8:46 pm
Tom, I am dissapoint. Some things don't seem right, so imma be real mad /rageface
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| February 7, 2011, 8:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
What the? John Dawn?!

/troll face
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| February 7, 2011, 8:59 pm
Well the IU isn't going to just sit around and wait for Jake to get a lucky shot on my Satellite, before we do anything about it. So, our solution is to start construction of a second satellite, only this one will be armed with zero gravity interceptor missiles, to shoot down Jake's ATSTs if he sends any more at me. In the meantime, the operators of our current satellite are to go through a satellite dodging/ maneuvering simulator, where they pretty much practice dodging space missiles :P.

In other news:
The Indo Union is commencing the construction of a large number of pillbox bunkers along the Borneo and eastern Sulawesi Coastlines. The bunkers will be able to fit up to 12 troops, and we have things like Mortars, Bazookas, sniper rifles, machine guns, etc. inside the bunkers. We're also installing large SAM systems and AAA along the coastlines mentioned above, at 40 kilometer intervals.

The vast majority of our more valuable Aircraft that are not in use in patrols and such are safe in their underground bomb-proof bunkers.

@ Combat Report
Woohoo, go Asia/PCU!

@ Brikkr
I know you want to feel all important and stuff, but I know it's not you hacking Alaska, I know this because I know who really is, and it's not you. It's not me either.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:00 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
It's really quite simple: thwart/flaunt the declaration, lose the planes. I'd rather blast a dozen unidentified aircraft than let a single Alaskan aeroplane get through.

I actually think this is somewhat ridiculous and unenforceable. You've declared some of our defended airspace as a no-fly zone and stated that you'll defend it with Cold-war era aircraft. Midway is a much more realistic boundary, as it's the limit of our airspace anyway. Another glitch in your orders is that a great portion of Alaska is West of Hawaii. I'm going to continue patrols of the Aleutians whether or not they're in the no-fly zone. Another difficulty on your part is that we could make it most of the way to Japan before you intercepted us, our planes being stealthy and faster, so you have no method of enforcing a no-fly zone in Wake or Midway. Just sayin'
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| February 7, 2011, 9:07 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57220963@N06/5426376435/
This is for Tom.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:07 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Well the IU isn't going to just sit around and wait for Jake to get a lucky shot on my Satellite, before we do anything about it. So, our solution is to start construction of a second satellite, only this one will be armed with zero gravity interceptor missiles, to shoot down Jake's ATSTs if he sends any more at me. In the meantime, the operators of our current satellite are to go through a satellite dodging/ maneuvering simulator, where they pretty much practice dodging space missiles :P.

Before an admin complains and yells at you, I would like to tell you # 1 that there is no such thing as an anti ASAT Missile that can be fired from space and therefore is unrealistic and illegal. #2 I hope you realize that the next 1-2 ASAT fired at your current satellite will kill it because it is either A. out of luck or B. close or already out of fuel.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:09 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Well the IU isn't going to just sit around and wait for Jake to get a lucky shot on my Satellite, before we do anything about it. So, our solution is to start construction of a second satellite, only this one will be armed with zero gravity interceptor missiles, to shoot down Jake's ATSTs if he sends any more at me. In the meantime, the operators of our current satellite are to go through a satellite dodging/ maneuvering simulator, where they pretty much practice dodging space missiles :P.

In other news:
The Indo Union is commencing the construction of a large number of pillbox bunkers along the Borneo and eastern Sulawesi Coastlines. The bunkers will be able to fit up to 12 troops, and we have things like Mortars, Bazookas, sniper rifles, machine guns, etc. inside the bunkers. We're also installing large SAM systems and AAA along the coastlines mentioned above, at 40 kilometer intervals.

The vast majority of our more valuable Aircraft that are not in use in patrols and such are safe in their underground bomb-proof bunkers.

@ Combat Report
Woohoo, go Asia/PCU!

@ Brikkr
I know you want to feel all important and stuff, but I know it's not you hacking Alaska, I know this because I know who really is, and it's not you. It's not me either.

>.>
wait till you see my new SCRAM jet, it's almost three times the size of you valkyrie, and can enter low orbit, AND drop bombs, not to mention carry two ASATs and a laz0r.

In space missiles are impractical, you need to use them like torpedoes in the sense you can't let the recoil from them get your sat. On top of that they must use rokket fuel and they can't maneuver that well. I would suggest lasers, but their is the power supply problem.


on the note of economy, yeah I imagine these SCRAM jets are hurting my economy, but we've canceled all naval and other space activities for the time being.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Funny I sent Tom a novel and was mentioned NEVER. I also stated I had most of my air force in the air in my battle plans. This PCU victory never happened. In fact, I don't see how B-52's could get into my air space without being noticed by my 100+ aircraft I stated were patrolling my skies. Tom, care to check your Flickr inbox again?
I sent the message at 6 Feb 11, 6.47PM MST

I'll explain the PCU victory that did happen.

1. I allowed for your fighters, as you can see, they did put up a show over Savannah, but most damage was done before they arrived.

2. The B-52s flew south from Newfoundland and over the Atlantic Ocean. They ran at high altitudes west into your airspace for only a few minutes before retreating back out to sea again. During that time they did the maximum damage.

3. I am the CM. What I say goes. The attack did happen, it was a victory for the PCU, and if anyone tries to change my CR after I post it again (and this goes as fair warning for all of you), I will cause any such players' forces to make some mistakes.

4. If you're lucky, I'll even post the results of your own attacks today.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan

See, now you have a American too, thus making you a hypocrite
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| February 7, 2011, 9:22 pm
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Ok, hey, c'mon give the guy a chance. I sent him what is equivalent to a short story.

I know from personal experience that it isn't easy to keep track of everything. I say we confine it to bullet points from now on.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:29 pm
@ Wang and Jake

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite?wasRedirected=true
Read the bit about satellite types.

@ Jake
I'm looking forward to seeing this new UAV
Are you going to post this 108 stud long creation to MPs pr Flickr?
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| February 7, 2011, 9:33 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Ok, hey, c'mon give the guy a chance. I sent him what is equivalent to a short story.

I know from personal experience that it isn't easy to keep track of everything. I say we confine it to bullet points from now on.

Actually, we've determined it's a Flickr glitch, because I never even received his plans until a few minutes ago.

Speaking of which,m I'm getting to work on the extra version of today's CR.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:36 pm
Some points...

*My territory is a free fly zone.

*If there are any damages in mt territory, we will be paid by whoever caused them.

*If Civilian activities are interrupted, you are paying for them.

*Any Aircraft shot down over my land will have the pilots, dead or alive returned to respective countries, and the wrecks will be salvaged.

*I will remain neutral.

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| February 7, 2011, 9:39 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
See, now you have a American too, thus making you a hypocrite

I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to communicate to me.

Is there a translator here who can translate nonsense to English?
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| February 7, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I'll explain the PCU victory that did happen.

1. I allowed for your fighters, as you can see, they did put up a show over Savannah, but most damage was done before they arrived.

2. The B-52s flew south from Newfoundland and over the Atlantic Ocean. They ran at high altitudes west into your airspace for only a few minutes before retreating back out to sea again. During that time they did the maximum damage.

3. I am the CM. What I say goes. The attack did happen, it was a victory for the PCU, and if anyone tries to change my CR after I post it again (and this goes as fair warning for all of you), I will cause any such players' forces to make some mistakes.

4. If you're lucky, I'll even post the results of your own attacks today.

Is it coincidence, or is it every time you become the CM the tides of the war switch. By the way, I'll take it up with the admins if my soldiers make mistakes because I disagree with you. It is not my fault I do not expect a bomber designed in 1952 to have complete success over fourth/fifth generation fighters and advanced radar technology in 2037. That makes the B-52 85 years old, the newest model may be 75 years old.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:43 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
@ Wang and Jake

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite?wasRedirected=true
Read the bit about satellite types.

@ Jake
I'm looking forward to seeing this new UAV
Are you going to post this 108 stud long creation to MPs pr Flickr?

Already read it. Aaaand their is actually a slow orbital degradation, I know because I spent my weekend pooring over this material. Also, either way, next two rockets I send, will hit, although I most likely won't send them.

Both, so far I've only completed the wings and half of the SCRAM jet. The SCRAM jet is almost 60 studs long. The thing will be manned by two pilots.
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to communicate to me.

Is there a translator here who can translate nonsense to English?

ouch.


he was referring to John Dawn who is as we just found out neutral.

By the way, I just sold the WC 50 Abrahms for monneh.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:43 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Is it coincidence, or is it every time you become the CM the tides of the war switch. By the way, I'll take it up with the admins if my soldiers make mistakes because I disagree with you. It is not my fault I do not expect a bomber designed in 1952 to have complete success over fourth/fifth generation fighters and advanced radar technology in 2037. That makes the B-52 85 years old, the newest model may be 75 years old.

Mercy. Let's have a little.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:46 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Already read it. Aaaand their is actually a slow orbital degradation, I know because I spent my weekend pooring over this material. Also, either way, next two rockets I send, will hit, although I most likely won't send them.

Both, so far I've only completed the wings and half of the SCRAM jet. The SCRAM jet is almost 60 studs long. The thing will be manned by two pilots.

No, there is a 50-50 chance your next rocket will hit, just like the last one. I have not run out, or nearly run out of fuel. A minor change in course does not deprive a satellite of it's entire fuel supply. And what my Satellite runs on is classified, if you read it, so I won't tell you what it runs on, as I don't even know myself what these classified recon satellites run on. Either way, the next Satellite WILL be equipped with interceptors, so your chances of destroying my next satellite will be near impossible, without the ATST being destroyed as it closes in on my Satellite.

You mad, Jake?
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| February 7, 2011, 9:51 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to communicate to me.

Is there a translator here who can translate nonsense to English?

No Danny, we can't translate your posts. :P
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| February 7, 2011, 9:52 pm
Quoting Will G.
No Danny, we can't translate your posts. :P

*Like*
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| February 7, 2011, 9:54 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Mercy. Let's have a little.

I'm sorry. It's just every time I get Tom as a mod there is some glitch or miscommunication, or I was gone.
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| February 7, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Will G.
No Danny, we can't translate your posts. :P

Well if you can't understand my posts, you're obviously a little bit non-intellectual.

Finn on the other hand...
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| February 7, 2011, 9:57 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to communicate to me.

Is there a translator here who can translate nonsense to English?

*Allied with a American
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| February 7, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
No, there is a 50-50 chance your next rocket will hit, just like the last one. I have not run out, or nearly run out of fuel. A minor change in course does not deprive a satellite of it's entire fuel supply. And what my Satellite runs on is classified, if you read it, so I won't tell you what it runs on, as I don't even know myself what these classified recon satellites run on. Either way, the next Satellite WILL be equipped with interceptors, so your chances of destroying my next satellite will be near impossible, without the ATST being destroyed as it closes in on my Satellite.

You mad, Jake?

50-50 chance, I try three times I hit at least once. Flip a coin and see.

Those interceptors, won't work, they won't be able to maneuver enough, because of the rockets, trust me. Lasers are the way to go, or SCRAM jet or sub-orbit interceptors. So far I've been building things that are either being tested or have been tested, there's no such thing as a space-missile-interceptor.
To be honest, I'd go with the high altitude interceptor. It might not be as effective, but it's the most economically feasible for you.
As for what it runs on? Most likely a battery or solar panels. It definitely uses rockets to maneuver, and it only has so much fuel. Especially if it's placed in a simile orbit as the ISS. If it's like the ISS then it doesn't need to much rocket fuel, and your controllers had to move it out of orbit and than back into orbit to avoid my rocket.

I typed all of that with one hand :P
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| February 7, 2011, 10:00 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
No, there is a 50-50 chance your next rocket will hit, just like the last one. I have not run out, or nearly run out of fuel. A minor change in course does not deprive a satellite of it's entire fuel supply. And what my Satellite runs on is classified, if you read it, so I won't tell you what it runs on, as I don't even know myself what these classified recon satellites run on. Either way, the next Satellite WILL be equipped with interceptors, so your chances of destroying my next satellite will be near impossible, without the ATST being destroyed as it closes in on my Satellite.

You mad, Jake?

Your satellites are not flying gas tanks, even a slight move will cost a lot of its reserve fuel, so unless your satellite is huge, it doesn't have much fuel left. And he can still jam, disrupt, use lasers, and possibly still shoot down because your new satellite's defense missiles will not have a 100% hit rate nor will it be able to bring up enough missiles to survive more than one to two attacks.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:01 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I typed all of that with one hand :P


Achievement unlocked: Cool Story, Bro.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:09 pm
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*extra* CR using Will's orders...

PCU:

4 Ohio Class submarines,escorted by 3 old ex-Russian Kilo class submarines, and also with frigates and destroyers i attendance. These steamed towards San Diego, where the PCU Navy had a set of ships out patrolling, as well as the HGS Pacifica battle group in attendance, along with several submarines.

What followed was a submarine battle the likes of which would make Tom Clancy proud.

In short (because I don't have much time), the three old Russian Kilos were lost, but managed to take two PCU Los Angeleses with them. The Ohios, using their stealthiness, managed to run north quickly and fire of 2 salvos of missiles at the base of San Diego. 35 Anti-ship missiles and 15 anti-ground missiles. Only a few small ships were in the harbor, and the PCU lost 3 frigates and a few patrol boats, and also suffered bad, but not crippling, damage to their docks.

Some of the EC Destroyers and Frigates were engaged by aircraft from the Pacifica, and then a EC-purchased Rio-de-jainero Aircraft arrier showed up. In the pitched battle that ensued, both sides lost aircraft, and three EC frigates were lost. The Rio-class carrier was finally forced to withdraw with its remaining escorts to Panama when she recieved a bomb to the deck. The Pacifica also lost 2 escorting frigates.

Meanwhile, the sneaky Ohio class submarines managed to sneak their way north, but the picked up a tail. Virginia class subs, with advanced enough sonar to spot the quiet Ohios, trained them until...

They unleashed three waves of anti-ground missiles against the PCU, totaling around 350 missiles and three Chupacabra ICBMs. The Virginias, seeing this, immediaely engaged, and directly after the last missiles were fired, two Ohios were sunk. The other two managed to escape to deep water and ran south.

On shore, the SAM operators were immediately alerted. SAM operators managed to dow about half of the incoming cruise missiles, but their SAMs had no effect on the devastating ICBMs, and half the Cruises made it through.

The head governator of the PCU was evacuated to the evil-lair/bunker, and the missiles exploded overhead. Well into the night, Portland burned, several thousand lives were lost in large apartment complexes, and industrial areas were also hard hit. Speaking from the rubble of his one grand capitol, the governator (that is your title, right nick?) spoke to an amassed crowd of extremely angry citizens. Only the news of the attack on Savannah allowed them to alleviate some pain.

Japan:

A more than sufficient protection force was placed all around Japan and Korea earlier today, consisting of many gen.4 and even gen.5 vessels, this was designed to let no enemy ships near the Japanese homeland, or their battlefields.

So, when EC Arleigh-Burke destroyers tried to converge on Japanese ships on the Korean coast, they found both more ships than had been expected, and very high-quality ships as well. Faced with such daunting odds, the EC commander wisely decided not to initiate his attack on cruisers, destroyers, and carriers with only a handful of Destroyers. Meanwhile three of the Kilo-Subs went hunting for ships around the Japanese mainland. They managed to sink 3 transports heading for Korea before their presence was alerted, and the experienced Japanese ASW teams engaged them, chasing them further and further away and firing torpedoes as the Kilos fled. Only ne Kilo made Midway alive. The Dixie-Class stealth destroyer attempted to fire 100 Tomahawk missiles and One Chupacabra ICBM at military bases, docks and air force base runways, but it found thatit couldn't risk getting within cruise missile range without running full into the large Japanese defense force. All the same, he was in range for his ICBM, and fired that, killing a couple dry-dock facilities on the Japanese coast, and also destroying 2 under-construction destroyers, before leaving for Midway.

Also in Japan, I have reached my decision on the thermobaric warheads. I have decided that while 45 and 50 KT warheads are unreasonable,20 kt warheads are at least close-enough to realistic. So, 2 20 KT Thermobaric / Fuel-air warheads hit Tokyo and Yokohama, causing millions of deaths, an enraging the Japanese people, who then killed more Koreans.

EDIT: also, 4 EC B-2s flew overJapan, bombing them some more.

6 EC B-is attempted to fly into the PCU and do more damage, but they were detected by a hyper-aware radar system, and intercepted by very angry fighter pilots in MAF-2s. The 6 B-1s and 12 F-37s did not survive the fighter pilot's rage,but managed to kill 4 of the superior MAF-2s.

No more CMs tonight, Please!!!!
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| February 7, 2011, 10:17 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

With mixed results from the front today, the WCHC considers carefully it's next move.

The Guatemalans have formed defensively in Belize, look to consolidate again before pushing on.

WC production has kicked up again because of present situations. Classified locations, of course.

Those trainees are coming up for active duty. Being raw they will be kept in reserve for now.

All the projects keep going...


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| February 7, 2011, 10:17 pm
My SCRAM jet/plain thingy is already 100 studs long =3
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| February 7, 2011, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I typed all of that with one hand :P

Fapping are we?

Onto Federation news, S. Ossetia almost unanimously voted to join the Russian Federation meaning it will now become a represented state in our union. Now the pressure is on Abkhazia to finalize its electoral voting procedure; we are more than assured the now released territory will be delighted to join the Federation.

In Chechnya, the secessionist "representatives" have pretty much buckled under Russian delegations. With their combative body now pretty much neutralized utterly and their political backing becoming non-existent, the only true barrier is extremists' tenacity. Of course the latter is easily corrigible with a bit of armed persuasion. We plan to force their signatures by threat of death if they do not sign within the next twenty-four hours. More news later.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:20 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Fapping are we?


>.>
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| February 7, 2011, 10:23 pm
The price of this attack will be payed. Oh yes, it will be payed in blood. The PCU is not a nation to be played with.


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| February 7, 2011, 10:23 pm
Guys, quit using ICBMs.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:24 pm
You've gone and done it now, Ultra. Some Texan heads are gonna roll now.

TO WAR!!!!!
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| February 7, 2011, 10:24 pm
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Did you guys know testicular cancer makes it past MOCpags moderation?
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| February 7, 2011, 10:25 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The price of this attack will be paid. Oh yes, it will be paid in blood. The PCU is not a nation to be played with.



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| February 7, 2011, 10:26 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Did you guys know testicular cancer makes it past MOCpags moderation?

*Like*
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| February 7, 2011, 10:32 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
They have attacked Portland...

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/076/537/original/Super_FUUU_Face.jpg?1286762129


...
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| February 7, 2011, 10:36 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
You've gone and done it now, Ultra. Some Texan heads are gonna roll now.

TO WAR!!!!!

This is now the official start of WWIII.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:42 pm
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ADMIN DECISION (with sir Evan's insistence)
Danny- you may have your satellites, but they can't be armed with ANYTHING. Including your "zero gravity interceptor missiles." This is unacceptable due to the fact that such development would lead directly to a race to weaponize space- which is a big no-no after the last groups huge debate over said items.

For my own country, as a deterrence to possible future space weaponization, phase 2 testing of the ASAT weapons (which made their debut at least 2 months ago) has been authorized. If Danny's second satellite is anything more than a RORSAT it will be going down. Similarly, the UFS would like to advise Jake H. and the SU(?) that you are not permitted to use your SCRAMjet over our air/space space. We are not risking anything.

Tom, it is safe to say that your tank/ helo order has arrived by now. We will be awaiting the arrival of the AWACS.

And yes, guys, please go easy on Tom. I know from experiencing how terrible it is when you leave out a single detail that could have altered the war in someone's favor. But if his inbox was as full as mine was, mixups DO HAPPEN.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:49 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
ADMIN DECISION (with sir Evan's insistence)
Danny- you may have your satellites, but they can't be armed with ANYTHING. Including your "zero gravity interceptor missiles." This is unacceptable due to the fact that such development would lead directly to a race to weaponize space- which is a big no-no after the last groups huge debate over said items.

For my own country, as a deterrence to possible future space weaponization, phase 2 testing of the ASAT weapons (which made their debut at least 2 months ago) has been authorized. If Danny's second satellite is anything more than a RORSAT it will be going down. Similarly, the UFS would like to advise Jake H. and the SU(?) that you are not permitted to use your SCRAMjet over our air/space space. We are not risking anything.

Tom, it is safe to say that your tank/ helo order has arrived by now. We will be awaiting the arrival of the AWACS.

And yes, guys, please go easy on Tom. I know from experiencing how terrible it is when you leave out a single detail that could have altered the war in someone's favor. But if his inbox was as full as mine was, mixups DO HAPPEN.

Fine, I'll let Jake shoot down any Satellite I put into space
>.<
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| February 7, 2011, 10:54 pm
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China has released it's new bomber to the general public: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5427230768/

These have been in development for some time now, but the first few are ready for action, with more on the way. I won't be fielding too many, expenses and all. However, I think you should know that a non-stealth strategic bomber is also in production, which will be revealed shortly.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:55 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
ADMIN DECISION (with sir Evan's insistence)
Danny- you may have your satellites, but they can't be armed with ANYTHING. Including your "zero gravity interceptor missiles." This is unacceptable due to the fact that such development would lead directly to a race to weaponize space- which is a big no-no after the last groups huge debate over said items.

For my own country, as a deterrence to possible future space weaponization, phase 2 testing of the ASAT weapons (which made their debut at least 2 months ago) has been authorized. If Danny's second satellite is anything more than a RORSAT it will be going down. Similarly, the UFS would like to advise Jake H. and the SU(?) that you are not permitted to use your SCRAMjet over our air/space space. We are not risking anything.

Tom, it is safe to say that your tank/ helo order has arrived by now. We will be awaiting the arrival of the AWACS.

And yes, guys, please go easy on Tom. I know from experiencing how terrible it is when you leave out a single detail that could have altered the war in someone's favor. But if his inbox was as full as mine was, mixups DO HAPPEN.

understood.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:55 pm
Prime Minister's address to the people(Translation):

Today on February 7th, 2037 the nation of Japan was mercilessly attacked by the Western Confederation. A large thermobaric missile hit the city of Tokyo. In an unprecedented event of genocide, millions of innocent civilians were killed in moments. Subsequently, a second missile of the same caliber hit Yokohama, resulting in thousands if not millions more deaths. As a result, a formal state of war exists between Spain and the allied American forces. Justice will be served. For Tokyo!
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| February 7, 2011, 10:56 pm
Today in Brazil...

Ceremonies for the men lost in the attacks on Hawaii and Oklahoma have concluded and symbolic coffins have been buried under granite crosses. However, the ships damaged by the PCU are beginning repairs in a Supah Secret base. Defences on Johnston, Okinawa and Somoa are on full alert. F-33 production goes well, with one squadron finished by the end if the week. EE-T1A1 (Osório) production goes well also, along with secret projects.

Civvie and industrial areas are fully defended against air and ground attack. Also Canal fortifications are ready for any attacks. Any damage will be payed for by the attacker.

Air patrols have begun in 12 hour shifts over all territory and more planes and troops are being transferred to the Pacific.

War is on and revenge will happen. Failure is not an Option.
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| February 7, 2011, 10:59 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Fine, I'll let Jake shoot down any Satellite I put into space
>.<

Imma tell ya, interceptors, naow.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
So, 2 20 KT Thermobaric / Fuel-air warheads hit Tokyo and Yokohama, causing millions of deaths, an enraging the Japanese people, who then killed more Koreans.

EDIT: also, 4 EC B-2s flew overJapan, bombing them some more.


Kaoxiang Emperor: Enough is enough, I've had it with these motherf***in Americans attacking this motherf***in continent!

You head would look good on the end of a pole, WC and EC.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:07 pm
I have just one question for the Western Confederation.

Why did you step in to stop genocide, and then commit genocide on not one, but two countries?
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| February 7, 2011, 11:08 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I have just one question for the Western Confederation.

I have one question for you Nick.
Why are you so... Unrealistic. You take most of the US's GDP, a large part of it's military, Allie and produce equipment with Awe (An overseas power with no connection to you), say you're unbeatable and be so Arrogant? Really. Either pop that balloon of a head or just stop.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:21 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Prime Minister's address to the people(Translation):

Today on February 7th, 2037 the nation of Japan was mercilessly attacked by the Western Confederation. A large thermobaric missile hit the city of Tokyo. In an unprecedented event of genocide, millions of innocent civilians were killed in moments. Subsequently, a second missile of the same caliber hit Yokohama, resulting in thousands if not millions more deaths. As a result, a formal state of war exists between Spain and the allied American forces. Justice will be served. For Tokyo!

Let me see if I can get this straight:
You condone (by marked silence) the merciless killing of Koreans, but not Japanese? Why?

It is for no other reason except that I did it and not someone else, isn't it?

Quoting Nick Shelton
I have just one question for the Western Confederation.

Why did you step in to stop genocide, and then commit genocide on not one, but two countries?

Well, it's not like I have my reputation to worry about, is it?
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| February 7, 2011, 11:23 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I have one question for you Nick.
Why are you so... Unrealistic. You take most of the US's GDP, a large part of it's military, Allie and produce equipment with Awe (An overseas power with no connection to you), say you're unbeatable and be so Arrogant? Really. Either pop that balloon of a head or just stop.

You attacked the PCU, you've bit off more than you can chew my adversary.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:24 pm
I'm tierd of all this "2016" BS Nick and Awe are pulling. Enough is enough.

Quoting Nick

Sigh. So you're reply is that? You're almost as unreal as Cliffe. This group is just like the other.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
It is for no other reason except that I did it and not someone else, isn't it?

It's because you killed MILLIONS. A few shells don't kill MILLIONS.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:31 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
I'm tierd of all this "2016" BS Nick and Awe are pulling. Enough is enough.


Then why didn't you have a problem with it 4 months ago or whenever this group was started? I'm just saying, my nation just didn't appear from nowhere. Either did many others. I've been stating this for months now, but not until I get involved with your buddies does it become trouble... Hmm...
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| February 7, 2011, 11:33 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
It's because you killed MILLIONS. A few shells don't kill MILLIONS.

I don't think I could have killed millions with those if I had wanted to. Those were 20kT warheads that were much, much less powerful (even though they were the same size) than 1. WWII nuclear bombs (which killed around 200,000 total). 2. I had intended. So, probably in the 90,000 to 168,000 range.

Plus, with these there is absolutely no fallout. Paints quite a different picture, eh?

So, check your figures, pal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
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| February 7, 2011, 11:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Tokyo has such a high population density. That's how the numbers are so high.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:40 pm
Quoting Peoples of MOCpages

See my Flickr. /ragequit
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| February 7, 2011, 11:41 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Tokyo has such a high population density. That's how the numbers are so high.

Oh? I suppose so. But not anywhere near the "MILLIONS filth and madness, MILLIONS!" that you'd like to think.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh? I suppose so. But not anywhere near the "MILLIONS filth and madness, MILLIONS!" that you'd like to think.


Added to the fact they were larger than Little Boy and about the same as Fat Man, you killed millions.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:43 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
I actually think this is somewhat ridiculous and unenforceable. You've declared some of our defended airspace as a no-fly zone and stated that you'll defend it with Cold-war era aircraft. Midway is a much more realistic boundary, as it's the limit of our airspace anyway. Another glitch in your orders is that a great portion of Alaska is West of Hawaii. I'm going to continue patrols of the Aleutians whether or not they're in the no-fly zone. Another difficulty on your part is that we could make it most of the way to Japan before you intercepted us, our planes being stealthy and faster, so you have no method of enforcing a no-fly zone in Wake or Midway. Just sayin'

Heavily upgraded Cold War era aircraft. Perhaps I should clarify: if Awe or myself detect any aircraft that isn't a regularly scheduled craft or of Asian origin, it gets shot down. If we DON'T detect it and it attacks anyway, we'll still shoot it down using a classified superweapon of classified design.

Quoting Jake H.
wait till you see my new SCRAM jet, it's almost three times the size of you valkyrie, and can enter low orbit, AND drop bombs, not to mention carry two ASATs and a laz0r.

They vetoed my low orbit starfighter, and it was a lot more practical than that. Problem one: SCRAMjets can't operate outside of an atmosphere. Problem two: SCRAMjets can't move an aircraft from a standstill: you have to be going reasonably fast before they can kick in. Problem three: since SCRAMjets can't operate outside an atmosphere or at low speed, you'll need jet engines to kick it up into the air and rocket engines to move it about in space. And some kind of portable hole to store the insane amounts of fuel in. Lasers? Anything smaller than a truck with military applications that aren't "guide bombs" or "find range" is automatically vetoed, I believe.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:46 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Added to the fact they were larger than Little Boy and about the same as Fat Man, you killed millions.

Fat Man: 21kT
Little Boy ~18kT

Yes, but we are talking the difference between splitting the atom, and using a big flame thrower. Fuel-air is devastating, but it just isn't anywhere near as powerful as nuclear material!

Wait a second. Oh, this is bad... very bad...

Tom, can I have a reversal due to complete incompetence on my part with unfamiliar measurement systems?

Please either confirm or deny my fears: is 1kT of dynamite = 1kT of nuclear explosion?
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| February 7, 2011, 11:49 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Wait a second. Oh, this is bad... very bad...


And so the full cost of what he's done begins to set in. He may clean the blood from his hands, but he will never clean it from his dreams.

<.<

>.>
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| February 7, 2011, 11:52 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Please either confirm or deny my fears: is 1kT of dynamite = 1kT of nuclear explosion?


Yes, that is correct. You dun goof'd.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:53 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Yes, that is correct. You dun goof'd.

OK now...

I'll get this straightened out. For some reason I believed that 1kT of explosive material was a measure of what went in, not net explosive force. Otherwise, I never would have tried to build a 50kT warhead...

See, I was trying to build one that big in order to get it at about the same power as a nuke. I really must research such things with more discernment.

So, basically my 20kTs should be about 5kTs the way I was thinking. I must FM Tom at once about this mistake. He adjusted the figures once, he can do it again.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:57 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
If we DON'T detect it and it attacks anyway, we'll still shoot it down using a classified superweapon

If it ain't lasers it's a missile, if it ain't a missile I got no clue.
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| February 7, 2011, 11:59 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
If it ain't lasers it's a missile, if it ain't a missile I got no clue.

It's classified and it's a superweapon. It's got nothing to do with space, though. Or not. We'll just have to wait and see.

Hopefully it'll be lethal to stealth fighters, though.

Awe; thanks mate.
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| February 8, 2011, 12:10 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Heavily upgraded Cold War era aircraft. Perhaps I should clarify: if Awe or myself detect any aircraft that isn't a regularly scheduled craft or of Asian origin, it gets shot down. If we DON'T detect it and it attacks anyway, we'll still shoot it down using a classified superweapon of classified design.

I still think it ridiculous that you expect your upgraded cold war aircraft to detect our stealth aircraft as they land in Midway, over halfway across the Pacific in our airspace. No matter how upgraded, they're still decades old. We've got high-tech stuff too.
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| February 8, 2011, 12:58 am
Quoting Jack Ford
I still think it ridiculous that you expect your upgraded cold war aircraft to detect our stealth aircraft as they land in Midway, over halfway across the Pacific in our airspace. No matter how upgraded, they're still decades old. We've got high-tech stuff too.

Age doesn't enter into it. If you regularly maintain machinery, it'll last for centuries.
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| February 8, 2011, 1:06 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Age doesn't enter into it. If you regularly maintain machinery, it'll last for centuries.

He's trying to say it won't stand a chance. WWII era fighters didn't stand a chance during the cold war and now cold war fighters don't stand a chance against modern ones.
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| February 8, 2011, 1:13 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
He's trying to say it won't stand a chance. WWII era fighters didn't stand a chance during the cold war and now cold war fighters don't stand a chance against modern ones.


Take away their modern advantages, and then it's more even.
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| February 8, 2011, 1:15 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Take away their modern advantages, and then it's more even.

It's exactly that. Modern planes have more advantages such as better stealth tech, radar, and munitions, thus making it deadlier.
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| February 8, 2011, 1:24 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
It's exactly that. Modern planes have more advantages such as better stealth tech, radar, and munitions, thus making it deadlier.

Updated older ones have all that, minus the stealth. And personally, if I can swap stealth capability for something more useful, I will. Something like speed. An aircraft as stealthy as a Soyuz that has a 25% speed advantage over the same aircraft with stealth capability will win pretty much every time. Why? Because stealth only makes you slightly harder to detect, it isn't an instant win button.

Besides, stealth is an arms race, and the best way to get around an arms race with your research budget intact is to take a third road.
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| February 8, 2011, 2:01 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Y'all can only put any type of weaponization on a satellite if it's only capable purpose is self defense. And this is limited to just kinetic kill munitions with the sole purpose of attempting to confuse an approaching ASAT missile. That is IT.

yeah that's what I'm using it for. to defend my satellite.


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| February 8, 2011, 3:25 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Age doesn't enter into it. If you regularly maintain machinery, it'll last for centuries.

I'm not saying they're junky, but they're not sufficient to defend the entire Pacific, including our airspace, from our aircraft. Just because you've upgraded them doesn't mean they're better avionics-wise than my aircraft. Unless I'm mistaken, my fighters (particularily the Blackfish) are the most expensive in the group for their size. That should say something about them. They're not just junky cheaply built airplanes that happen to be stealth, and I believe that no Cold War era fighter, no matter how updated, can effectively and consistently detect them from 2/3s of the way across the Pacific. The age distance that occurs between the Su-27 and the F-1 Blackfish (52 years)is roughly the same as comparing a Junkers Ju 52 to an Su-27. That's a grossly out-of-proportion picture as far as technology goes, but you get my drift. A 50 year old airplane is at a disadvantage to a brand new one.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:33 am
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listen up guys, I will only be doing CRs every other night, especially because I can't be here tonight, I have a knowledge bowl tournament.

So, next one will be tomorrow, and them Friday, and so forth.

@Ultra, I will get to work on revised casualty estimates.
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| February 8, 2011, 3:52 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Updated older ones have all that, minus the stealth. And personally, if I can swap stealth capability for something more useful, I will. Something like speed. An aircraft as stealthy as a Soyuz that has a 25% speed advantage over the same aircraft with stealth capability will win pretty much every time. Why? Because stealth only makes you slightly harder to detect, it isn't an instant win button.

Besides, stealth is an arms race, and the best way to get around an arms race with your research budget intact is to take a third road.

Are you honestly attempting to insinuate that you have equipped a 1970s fighter with every modern feature without replacing the airframe or coming up with even a more advanced 4th-gen airplane? What, did you run out of letters in the alphabet for all those sub-types through the years? You must be on double 'Z' by now...

Some points that were brought up earlier that were incomplete. Even during the Cold War, if you took a P-51 Mustang and upgraded it with early AA missiles, better avionics, even a jet engine; it will still fail badly (and likely rip itself apart when it neared the speed of sound). You know why? Because the airframe just can't take it. There are just inherent limitations to any aircraft, and they call it an airframe.

-Have you added thrust vectoring? How do you then know that the wings won't fly off in a high-G turn?
-Have you added high-efficiency engines to make it faster? How do you know that the increased drag friction won't shear off your stabilizers in afterburner?
-Have you added bigger engines? How do you know that your airframe can take the greatly increased thrust/weight ratio?

You can put a NASCAR engine in a Honda Element, but that thing just isn't going to cut it. It would probably break the drive train, overwhelm the axles, and literally break up the entire body.

Not to say that 4th-gen aircraft aren't capable of what you are talking about (I have the F-29, it's pretty snazzy), but not in a 50 year-old body.

Quoting Thomas N
@Ultra, I will get to work on revised casualty estimates.

That makes sense, gives me more time to reduce my novels to three-four big bullet-points...

Thank you, sir. You probably just saved my bacon. Really, it was only supposed to be the equivalent of a day or two of B-29 incendiary bombings, not nuke equivalent.
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| February 8, 2011, 3:58 pm
Today in Brazil...

Repairs are going well on the damaged ships. AA banks (correct terms?) are on high alert and Missile Defence is going 24/7. Fighter patrols have been tripled in size and large amounts of planes are being transferred to the Pacific.

40,000 men have been called out of reserves and are finishing review training and being briefed on the situation. All leaves and holidays are cancelled.

The Defence Committee has provided us with details, saying that each city in the whole nation is defended by no less than three SAM banks and other technology.

Factories producing stuff faster than we can bring them into service.
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| February 8, 2011, 4:17 pm
Not that I don't like less civvy deaths, but the death figures should stay the same.
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| February 8, 2011, 5:24 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Well if you can't understand my posts, you're obviously a little bit non-intellectual.

Finn on the other hand...

Your such a troll...
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| February 8, 2011, 5:24 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Not that I don't like less civvy deaths, but the death figures should stay the same.

Wait a second, I thought genocide was "a PCU sport?"

On the other hand, are you questioning the CM? Apparently you want your forces making 'mistakes?'
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| February 8, 2011, 5:30 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Wait a second, I thought genocide was "a PCU sport?"

On the other hand, are you questioning the CM? Apparently you want your forces making 'mistakes?'

Not against player-controlled countries, or anything else for that matter. /inside joke.

I do not want my forces to make these said mistakes, but it's not really fair to go through with something and kill all those people, and then be like "Re-do."
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| February 8, 2011, 5:34 pm
Tom, I would like to point out that Ultra is making it sound like the missiles had 5 kt of thermobaric explosives, making the blast LARGER than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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| February 8, 2011, 5:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Fuel air is still more powerful than TNT, upon which explosives are measured on.
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| February 8, 2011, 5:56 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Fuel air is still more powerful than TNT, upon which explosives are measured on.

Which is why 5 kT TNT = 5 kT F-A. I swear we've been down this trail sometime recently.
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| February 8, 2011, 5:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Which is why 5 kT TNT = 5 kT F-A. I swear we've been down this trail sometime recently.


My point is you're making it sound like the missile has 5 kt of Fuel air. Does it or does it not?
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| February 8, 2011, 6:01 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

My point is you're making it sound like the missile has 5 kt of Fuel air. Does it or does it not?

Each of the warheads has the explosive force of 5 kT. They did not have 5 kT of explosive material, as that would be physically impossible to launch.

So, with my 5kT fuel-air missile, we're looking at a flash radius of under 0.1 km, damage radius of up to 0.5km, flames possibly reaching (in house-to-house blazes) 1 km before containment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comparative_nuclear_fireball_sizes.svg

With that in mind, I definitely would call this a retaliatory weapon instead of a genocide weapon killing 'MILLONS!'
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| February 8, 2011, 6:11 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Heavily upgraded Cold War era aircraft. Perhaps I should clarify: if Awe or myself detect any aircraft that isn't a regularly scheduled craft or of Asian origin, it gets shot down. If we DON'T detect it and it attacks anyway, we'll still shoot it down using a classified superweapon of classified design.

Quoting Jake H.
wait till you see my new SCRAM jet, it's almost three times the size of you valkyrie, and can enter low orbit, AND drop bombs, not to mention carry two ASATs and a laz0r.

They vetoed my low orbit starfighter, and it was a lot more practical than that. Problem one: SCRAMjets can't operate outside of an atmosphere. Problem two: SCRAMjets can't move an aircraft from a standstill: you have to be going reasonably fast before they can kick in. Problem three: since SCRAMjets can't operate outside an atmosphere or at low speed, you'll need jet engines to kick it up into the air and rocket engines to move it about in space. And some kind of portable hole to store the insane amounts of fuel in. Lasers? Anything smaller than a truck with military applications that aren't "guide bombs" or "find range" is automatically vetoed, I believe.

blahblahblah

I know how a SCRAM jet works, as long as it's going mach .8 then they can kick in. That shouldn't be too hard to reach. I'm not sure yet as I've yet to do any really research on jet engines. I do plan on having it carry some rocket fuel. Not a ton though, and it will have the room to store it since the thing will be at least 132 studs long.

Also couldn't rocket and jet fuel be mixed?

/makes mental note to look into this.
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| February 8, 2011, 6:23 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

If it hit the large energy district, yes it could very well kill millions. It's Tokyo's greatest risk if an eartquake happens. The buildings may be the best prepared in the world, but if the energy district is damage, it would result in a fire several times worse than any San Fransisco has had from broken pipelines.

Watching one disaster video in Science over several years comes in handy, you see.
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| February 8, 2011, 6:43 pm
Australia plans to colonize and create a territory of Sumatra, unless Danny has it/plans to have. If you plan to have it Danny, maybe we can make a deal with occupying the island.

Other than that, Australia plans to remain neutral in this Pacific conflict.
The Expeditionary Force is arriving back in Port Moresby, East New Guinea, tonight. Then they will arrive somewhere near Brisbane the next day.

Other than that 2x, I'm kind of angry those darn Green Bay Cheese heads won the Superbowl...
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| February 8, 2011, 6:43 pm
Quoting Matt P
Australia plans to colonize and create a territory of Sumatra, unless Danny has it/plans to have. If you plan to have it Danny, maybe we can make a deal with occupying the island.

Other than that, Australia plans to remain neutral in this Pacific conflict.
The Expeditionary Force is arriving back in Port Moresby, East New Guinea, tonight. Then they will arrive somewhere near Brisbane the next day.

Other than that 2x, I'm kind of angry those darn Green Bay Cheese heads won the Superbowl...

I've already replyed to this comment.

I am in the process of colonizing Sumatra.
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| February 8, 2011, 6:49 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
If it hit the large energy district, yes it could very well kill millions. It's Tokyo's greatest risk if an eartquake happens. The buildings may be the best prepared in the world, but if the energy district is damage, it would result in a fire several times worse than any San Fransisco has had from broken pipelines.

Watching one disaster video in Science over several years comes in handy, you see.

Well, now that's not up to us, is it? And knowing that the US is traditionally humanitarian, I would have plotted the coordinates away from that area.

Why don't you just wait until the new numbers come out, eh?

Oh, and I'd like this in writing, are you still planning on going to war? I have stated I have no quarrel with you, I do not want nor desire to fight you, and your sole motivation for war is about to go away. Do you still plan to go on with this needlessly?
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| February 8, 2011, 7:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

As you said, let's look at the numbers. But I'm not going to war for that sole reason. I'm allies with Nick.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:06 pm
I love how we're all allies with each other.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
As you said, let's look at the numbers. But I'm not going to war for that sole reason. I'm allies with Nick.

Since when? The way you bare grudges, you should feel the same about him as you do me.

How do you explain that, exactly? At least we have done business together; and, as far as I know, it has been a good business relationship. Why the sudden reversal?

Quoting Jake H.
I love how we're all allies with each other.

Yeah, and I figured new group, new allies. Seems some things never change, you know?

And there are the most unearthly match-ups too:
China & PCU
Spain & PCU
Korea & Canada
Cuba & Great Britain (on & off)

It seems no one cares about location (or in this case, history) when it comes to who allies are.

History:
China and the US are hardly allies, we're debtors to them, and it may come to open hostilities. PCU & Spain have literally nothing in common, including no former trade relations. Canada and Korea have literally nothing in common. Cuba and Great Britain (same, except for trade).

At least I try to choose my allies geographically. Korea was (and is) sort of a mess for us all.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:20 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I love how we're all allies with each other.

I h-te to break this to you, but I think the whole ally thing is just a big excuse everyone's playing. We are only all going to war for the fun if it.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:21 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
If it hit the large energy district, yes it could very well kill millions. It's Tokyo's greatest risk if an eartquake happens. The buildings may be the best prepared in the world, but if the energy district is damage, it would result in a fire several times worse than any San Fransisco has had from broken pipelines.

Watching one disaster video in Science over several years comes in handy, you see.

What have I done to deserve invasion by Spain?
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| February 8, 2011, 7:22 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I h-te to break this to you, but I think the whole ally thing is just a big excuse everyone's playing. We are only all going to war for the fun if it.

I know, I was being sarcastic ;D

I only have two allies, Korea and Brazil.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:34 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
And there are the most unearthly match-ups too:
China & PCU


Ah yes, the unholy alliance. Nick and I always win when we work together, not to mention, he uses just about all of my MOCs.

Quoting Matt P
Australia plans to colonize and create a territory of Sumatra, unless Danny has it/plans to have. If you plan to have it Danny, maybe we can make a deal with occupying the island.


Danny already told you to stay off, I recall.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:35 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Ah yes, the unholy alliance. Nick and I always win when we work together, not to mention, he uses just about all of my MOCs.

Problem?
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| February 8, 2011, 7:38 pm
Who claims responsibility for the Destruction of Portland?
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| February 8, 2011, 7:40 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Who claims responsibility for the Destruction of Portland?

I do.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:42 pm
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Quoting Will G.
I do.

/high five
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| February 8, 2011, 7:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Cuba & Great Britain (on & off)

You do not know how many times that Cuba and I have just nearly avoided wars, and I am only selling him some pretty old ships.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
/high five

/high fives back
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| February 8, 2011, 7:50 pm
Quoting Will G.
I do.

Then you are going to be removed.

Quoting Ultramarine


I am requesting a cease-fire, on the grounds that I don't have a conflict with you.
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| February 8, 2011, 7:53 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I am requesting a cease-fire, on the grounds that I don't have a conflict with you.

As far as I know, you do. Perhaps you should have thought more carefully before attacking Midway and Alaska, no?
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| February 8, 2011, 8:00 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Then you are going to be removed.

I am requesting a cease-fire, on the grounds that I don't have a conflict with you.

In case you haven't noticed Ultra is at war with you and probably won't let you through his territory to attack one of his allies.
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| February 8, 2011, 8:02 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
In case you haven't noticed Ultra is at war with you and probably won't let you through his territory to attack one of his allies.

That's the other side of the coin, yes.
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| February 8, 2011, 8:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
As far as I know, you do. Perhaps you should have thought more carefully before attacking Midway and Alaska, no?

To Arms for the Confederations.
We cannot turn back now.
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| February 8, 2011, 8:06 pm
In the CDC, more effort is being put into economic and infrastructural growth. Several natural gas deposits have shown some promise, and we are investigating further into their potential. Foreign investment taxes seem to be paying off, and we are giving small business another 1.5% tax cut (bringing the total to 2%).
During evaluation of Abrams and Longhorn tanks, it was found that while the Abrams has much more advanced armor systems, the high velocity and powerful cannon of the M908A4 can easily penetrate it. Our own armor didn't hold up as well as expected, however this was mainly due to the lack of ERA. It was determined that with the ERA added, the armor would be sufficient enough to withstand several rounds of high velocity 120mm-125mm ammunition. Explosive reactive armor packages are being added to the M908A4 upgrade kit, which may begin ship as soon as Friday. We hope to have our entire tank force upgraded by Monday. Our ground forces will be on substantially higher alert this weekend, as all of this upgrading at once may leave a large portion of our armored units vulnerable.
The F-42 project is almost complete, and about a dozen prototypes have begun testing.
Many analysts are still very critical of the CDC's military capabilities, and several high ranking officers are considering aquiring several hundred chemical weapons (for use defensively), as force multipliers. Higher training standards are also being implemented for our conscription-based force.
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| February 8, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting Will G.
To Arms for the Confederations.
We cannot turn back now.

because you can't handle the might of teh Governator!

Speaking of which, I want to make a name and sig fig for the IU's leader.

Let me consult Inglip on the matter...

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| February 8, 2011, 8:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
As far as I know, you do. Perhaps you should have thought more carefully before attacking Midway and Alaska, no?

Danny attacked Midway...
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| February 8, 2011, 8:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's the other side of the coin, yes.

I'm one of the rare types of people that think backwards. They're called crazed psycho-maniacs, you might have heard of them.
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| February 8, 2011, 8:19 pm
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The UFS confirms the deal with Alaska for license production of F-27 (Su-51) aircraft in exchange for 50 C5A Wolf Tanks, as well as production rights for said tank. Deliveries should begin tomorrow, since we have a surplus due to canceled ground forces orders.

Pleasure doing business.
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| February 8, 2011, 8:20 pm
Quoting Will G.
Danny attacked Midway...

no i didn't.

?????

NOBODY KNOWS WHO ATTACKED MIDWAY!
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| February 8, 2011, 8:27 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Danny attacked Midway...

As far as I know, the only two people that have F-18Cs in the Pacific are the PCU and possibly Australia. Within range of Midway: Hawaii. Plus, I don't think Danny has subs...
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| February 8, 2011, 8:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Are you honestly attempting to insinuate that you have equipped a 1970s fighter with every modern feature without replacing the airframe or coming up with even a more advanced 4th-gen airplane? What, did you run out of letters in the alphabet for all those sub-types through the years? You must be on double 'Z' by now...

Some points that were brought up earlier that were incomplete. Even during the Cold War, if you took a P-51 Mustang and upgraded it with early AA missiles, better avionics, even a jet engine; it will still fail badly (and likely rip itself apart when it neared the speed of sound). You know why? Because the airframe just can't take it. There are just inherent limitations to any aircraft, and they call it an airframe.

-Have you added thrust vectoring? How do you then know that the wings won't fly off in a high-G turn?
-Have you added high-efficiency engines to make it faster? How do you know that the increased drag friction won't shear off your stabilizers in afterburner?
-Have you added bigger engines? How do you know that your airframe can take the greatly increased thrust/weight ratio?

You can put a NASCAR engine in a Honda Element, but that thing just isn't going to cut it. It would probably break the drive train, overwhelm the axles, and literally break up the entire body.

Not to say that 4th-gen aircraft aren't capable of what you are talking about (I have the F-29, it's pretty snazzy), but not in a 50 year-old body.

No, I'm saying that the engines have been overhauled, and the avionics and weapons are also fairly modern. The Flanker is known for being extremely agile as it is, so the only thing needed to make it effective is better weapons and electronics. It's not supposed to be a superfighter, it's supposed to be able to kill superfighters without bankrupting me.
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| February 8, 2011, 8:47 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I've already replyed to this comment.

I am in the process of colonizing Sumatra.

Oh sorry, I didn't see your comment. Ma bad. So those plans have been trashed.

I am thinking about colonizing an African nation, such as Cote D'Ivoire (Ivory Coast). And Henry, thats way far away from South Africa so don't get angry or threaten or whatever at me.

Now I just hope no one else has colonized it already...
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| February 8, 2011, 8:58 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

After the attack on Japan yesterday, the decision has been made to keep all further resources closer to home. Not a genocidal weapon in intent or actuality, as has been condemned by the international community who is blind to their own double-standard. The message has been sent, we only hope it will be heeded...

A number of declarations were enacted today by the WCHC. All PCU joint energy initiative oil rigs in the Gulf are now property of the WC. All WC airspace is closed to PCU civil or military aircraft. The border is now closed and all traffic coming will be stopped and turned back.

Defensive measures are being taken to ensure no sabotage can occur.

Oklahoma is in the process of receiving aid from the WC as its newest member-state by default. The citizenry is rather confused, but they seem to be taking the integration well. Some unrest has cropped up, the governor requested guard units but was told he would only receive conventional law enforcement and SWAT units. OK law enforcement is trying to get back on its feet, crippled by the loss of its heavy vehicles by PCU units. Furthermore, the OK senate has requested that the PCU immediately return all OKNG personnel to Oklahoma as their government and families want them back. The WCHC has promised the immediate return of all OK origin prisoners of war when origin is confirmed.

Quoting Areetsa C

Like I said, you added more efficient engines and expect the airframe to support them. Well, I hope it works out for you and your wings & tail stay on.

F-89 (WC): Mach 3.2
F-1 (Alaska): Mach 4
Mig-29 ZZ: Mach 2.8?
Not even a fair match-up. Or, I could just sit back and let my SAMs do the dirty work for me.

Quoting Matt P

Mine! I did! It's all mine!

No, just kidding, I couldn't resist...
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| February 8, 2011, 9:07 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Many analysts are still very critical of the CDC's military capabilities, and several high ranking officers are considering aquiring several hundred chemical weapons (for use defensively), as force multipliers.

If you do not imediately halt research of these inhumane weapons of mass destruction, we will be forced to put sanctions upon your country. If the CDC does use these heinous weapons against us, we will begin to target you in areas that we would otherwise condone of. So basically if you use those against us, we will begin to target both strategic and tactical targets.

In my country, 5 more frigates have been completed, 4 being Batch 1 and the other 1 being Batch 2, all of these ships will enter sea trials. Another Falklands-Class Carrier was completed as well, HMS Battleaxe will go through sea trials, and like her sister ship will remain stationed with her taskforce in Britain.

Developement in a new fighter interceptor to completly replace the F-35 Ds has begun. This fighter is currently beging called the XF-302. Its features are currently unknwn, but what is being told is that it will mainly be a fighter interceptor/air superiority fighter.

Production of the Repulse-Class Battlecruiser goes well, and will be completed in a week. Production of our additional cruisers and destroyers also goes well.
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| February 8, 2011, 9:12 pm
Quoting henry wang
Quoting -> avalella
Many analysts are still very critical of the CDC's military capabilities, and several high ranking officers are considering aquiring several hundred chemical weapons (for use defensively), as force multipliers.

If you do not imediately halt research of these inhumane weapons of mass destruction, we will be forced to put sanctions upon your country. If the CDC does use these heinous weapons against us, we will begin to target you in areas that we would otherwise condone of. So basically if you use those against us, we will begin to target both strategic and tactical targets.

The CDC acknowledges this, and we are halting all chemical weapons development. We will begin research into cluster munitions, instead.
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| February 8, 2011, 9:36 pm
/cuts self in corner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8Un0iHgcI
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| February 8, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I think these groups need an award or something. Ya' know, considering they're the only ones in MOCpages? I think it should be called the "Most Arguments Over the Same Thing in a Group" award. Whaddya think?

I think the clonie groups would be more likely to win it.

Quoting henry wang
If you do not imediately halt research of these inhumane weapons of mass destruction, we will be forced to put sanctions upon your country. If the CDC does use these heinous weapons against us, we will begin to target you in areas that we would otherwise condone of. So basically if you use those against us, we will begin to target both strategic and tactical targets.

The government of Greater Alenia wishes to point out that deploying an inhumane weapon of mass destruction would be something to the effect of putting SCUBA wearing ferrets armed with lemon juice soaked straight razors into a city's sewer system.

By its very definition, a weapon of mass destruction IS humane. It kills tens of thousands of people all at once. An INhumane one would be the aformentioned ferrets swimming around slashing at people's unmentionables.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Like I said, you added more efficient engines and expect the airframe to support them. Well, I hope it works out for you and your wings & tail stay on.

F-89 (WC): Mach 3.2
F-1 (Alaska): Mach 4
Mig-29 ZZ: Mach 2.8?
Not even a fair match-up. Or, I could just sit back and let my SAMs do the dirty work for me.

They're not faster, they're the same as they've always been. They're just rebuilt to be less likely to fall apart in midair due to being ~40 years old.

The Flankers are not intended to be air superiority fighters: they're point defense aircraft, simple as that. They're the aerial equivelant of an armed skyscraper sized snail: you don't need to worry about it catching you, but if you get too close you'll regret it.
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| February 8, 2011, 9:44 pm
The PCU will not return the OKNG units now taking refuge in PCU territories. They are now PCU soldiers, as of their commitment made when they stepped on the C-5s out of Oklahoma.

Their families are welcome to join them in the PCU.
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| February 8, 2011, 9:46 pm
In the CDC, we have begun development of several new cluster munitions. Unlike previous cluster bombs, these will be deployed via artillery pieces, or mobile rocket launchers. We will begin researching how to make this possible with our current equipment; however we may be willing to purchase entirely new batteries to make use of this ammunition.
So far, this is what is being proposed:
-ATCM1 (Anti Tank Cluster Munition)
-APCM1 (Anti Personnel Cluster Munition)
-ARCM1(Anti Runway Cluster Munition)
-HEICM (High Explosive Incendiary Cluster Munition)
-AECM (Anti Electrical "Blackout Bomb" Cluster Munition)

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| February 8, 2011, 9:49 pm
The PCU will not return the OKNG units now taking refuge in PCU territories. They are now PCU soldiers, as of their commitment made when they stepped on the C-5s out of Oklahoma. Their families are welcome to join them in the PCU.

The Uprising in Alberta has been quelled, with many of the key leaders being sent to an undisclosed location in the Pacific Northwest.

Quoting Ultramarine You see this airspace? YOU SHALL NOT PAAAASSSSS.


Where there's a whip, there's a way.

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| February 8, 2011, 9:50 pm
In Greater Alenia: since everyone else's doing it, we're going to show off our politically incorrect weapon system: FASCAM.
Field Artillery Scatterable Mines, in layman's terms.

Everything the bleeding heart brigade hate about land mines and cluster missiles, packed into one kitten eating package. Well, no, several kitten eating packages, and some of them are more inclined towards babies; rocket artillery, cannon artillery, bombs, and a few mostly ineffective mortar and shoulder launched ones that aren't used much.
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| February 8, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Finn C-Q
/cuts self in corner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8Un0iHgcI

epic
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| February 8, 2011, 9:56 pm
Is there a way the Indo Union could aquire such ferrets, Areetsa?
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| February 8, 2011, 10:05 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
In Greater Alenia: since everyone else's doing it, we're going to show off our politically incorrect weapon system: FASCAM.
Field Artillery Scatterable Mines, in layman's terms.


Meh, not too evil. The US already uses these.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:12 pm
Quoting Jake H.
epic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ha320edRi8

I are loosing ;_;
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| February 8, 2011, 10:18 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
The UFS confirms the deal with Alaska for license production of F-27 (Su-51) aircraft in exchange for 50 C5A Wolf Tanks, as well as production rights for said tank. Deliveries should begin tomorrow, since we have a surplus due to canceled ground forces orders.

Pleasure doing business.

This interaction is officially confirmed.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:19 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Is there a way the Indo Union could aquire such ferrets, Areetsa?

I don't know, I'll have to ask the OVB director about his training program.

...not that I can confirm or deny having sewer-traversing unmentionable slashing ferrets in my possession.

Quoting Matt Hacker
Meh, not too evil. The US already uses these.

These ones are eviler because I'm not the US.
We all know how awful cluster weapons and mines and so forth are when it isn't the Americans that're using them.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:19 pm
ACU research:

-Rail-gun tech
-Stealth tech, underwater and aerial.
-High speed fighters/bombers
-specialized munitions.
-etc.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:19 pm
*Civvies test out home made incendiarie theories:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5428990565/in/photostream/
*construction of Pillbox bunkers complete
*reinforced AAA and SAM defenses.
*Military sabotage animal training program opened.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:22 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
...since everyone else's doing it, we're going to show off our politically incorrect weapon system...
Well well, we in Alaska don't have politically incorrect weapon systems, we just use them in politically incorrect ways... >.>

<.<

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| February 8, 2011, 10:23 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
-Rail-gun tech


No. Confirmed with Sponty.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:33 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting John Dawn
-Rail-gun tech


No. Confirmed with Sponty.

Not allowed to use stuff that exists now?
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| February 8, 2011, 10:34 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Not allowed to use stuff that exists now?


To quote Erik from our AIM conversation

" Overly priced, and takes up too much power.
Fak nu.
Plus, if one person has them, everyone else will get them because railguns are too far ahead of other weapon platforms."

There you go.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:35 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

To quote Erik from our AIM conversation

" Overly priced, and takes up too much power.
Fak nu.
Plus, if one person has them, everyone else will get them because railguns are too far ahead of other weapon platforms."

There you go.
So only the wealthy could afford them. I see why a satellite grid of them isn't realistic, but several warships with one each should be much more realistic.

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| February 8, 2011, 10:40 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Matt Hacker

To quote Erik from our AIM conversation

" Overly priced, and takes up too much power.
Fak nu.
Plus, if one person has them, everyone else will get them because railguns are too far ahead of other weapon platforms."

There you go.
So only the wealthy could afford them. I see why a satellite grid of them isn't realistic, but several warships with one each should be much more realistic.

Maybe rail guns should be taken into consideration. I think it is fair if a country has maybe one on one of their ships. Just my opinion.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:43 pm
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Quoting John Dawn


No. The point of this is that it is a GAME. A railgun is breaks the game, because it does not require any kind of building skills, you can just take a bunch of 1x1 cylinders, say its a railgun, and destroy all your opponents. So just like in other games, for there to be fun, there must be balance.

However, a well designed MOC will not be balanced with a poorly built one, as that is another objective of the game, to apply your building skills to attain greater power.

No exceptions on railguns.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:44 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

No. The point of this is that it is a GAME. A railgun is breaks the game, because it does not require any kind of building skills, you can just take a bunch of 1x1 cylinders, say its a railgun, and destroy all your opponents. So just like in other games, for there to be fun, there must be balance.

However, a well designed MOC will not be balanced with a poorly built one, as that is another objective of the game, to apply your building skills to attain greater power.

No exceptions on railguns.

how do you decide the quality of a build, by how many smilies it's got?
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| February 8, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
how do you decide the quality of a build, by how many smilies it's got?


That is usually just personal preference by the Combat Mod. For instance, Tom may have a different opinion on a vehicle that I regard highly, and vice versa. Call it unfair, but the Combat Mod system is the best that we can do.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Complaining about Oklahoma.

Do you remember when, in the CR, I said that "PCU-loyal citizens left the area aboard civilian airliners taken for the purpose"?

Well, the OKNG was loyal to the PCU. So were their families. The OKNG is now fighting with their friends in the PCU, and their families are living safe in neutral Atlantic Union-controlled-Mexico.

Basically, Oklahoma was left with everyone either not loyal to the PCU, or unwilling to leave. Basically, you're left occupying a place with zero assets, and you have no leverage to get the OKNG back either.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Do you remember when, in the CR, I said that "PCU-loyal citizens left the area aboard civilian airliners taken for the purpose"?

Well, the OKNG was loyal to the PCU. So were their families. The OKNG is now fighting with their friends in the PCU, and their families are living safe in neutral Atlantic Union-controlled-Mexico.

Basically, Oklahoma was left with everyone either not loyal to the PCU, or unwilling to leave. Basically, you're left occupying a place with zero assets, and you have no leverage to get the OKNG back either.

1. I wasn't 'complaining.'
2. I didn't recall that.
3. It sounded like something official to say.
4. I was not attempting to gain leverage, but it does seem reasonable that Oklahoma would want it's citizenry back, does it not?

Eh, makes no difference, I will have them all at some point.
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| February 8, 2011, 10:56 pm
Quoting Thomas N

will there happen to be a CR tonight?
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| February 8, 2011, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
will there happen to be a CR tonight?

No.

I just got back from the knowledge bowl tournament, and I'm in a bad mood because we got 8th place. Also, it's late, and I have HW.
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| February 8, 2011, 11:05 pm
Quoting Thomas N
No.

I just got back from the knowledge bowl tournament, and I'm in a bad mood because we got 8th place. Also, it's late, and I have HW.

then take out your anger on the enemies of Asia! (kidding). Will there be a CR tomorrow then maybe?
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| February 8, 2011, 11:07 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
then take out your anger on the enemies of Asia! (kidding). Will there be a CR tomorrow then maybe?

Didn't you read what he said? Every other day.
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| February 8, 2011, 11:08 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
then take out your anger on the enemies of Asia! (kidding). Will there be a CR tomorrow then maybe?

Yes. There will be a CR every other day.
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| February 8, 2011, 11:09 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Yes. There will be a CR every other day.

ah, ok.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Didn't you read what he said? Every other day.

must have missed it.

In that case, should the turns be extra long then?
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| February 8, 2011, 11:11 pm
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In China:
-First 5 Arketer stealth bombers complete, second 5 on their way. 10 is an economic number, we can't have too many of these and still keep up an economy, can we?
-Miantiao production has stopped for the moment, but we're keeping the factories ready to make more. Production will soon switch over in other places to more conventional aircraft.
-Prototype MBT undergoing testing.
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| February 9, 2011, 12:44 am
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Combat Report starts now. Any FMs I receive after this time will not be counted.
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| February 9, 2011, 5:21 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Combat Report starts now. Any FMs I receive after this time will not be counted.
You've begun writing!

I forgot to send in orders!
/facepalm

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| February 9, 2011, 5:39 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Combat Report starts now. Any FMs I receive after this time will not be counted.

Did you get mine?
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| February 9, 2011, 6:01 pm
heII yeaaaahhh!!! you guys should know I am not to be held accountable for the actions of my disobedient military.

>.>
<.<
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| February 9, 2011, 6:18 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
heII yeaaaahhh!!! you guys should know I am not to be held accountable for the actions of my disobedient military.

>.>
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One teeny-tiny problem:
You technically control them.
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| February 9, 2011, 6:42 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
One teeny-tiny problem:
You technically control them.

Only technically.
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| February 9, 2011, 6:53 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
One teeny-tiny problem:
You technically control them.

thank you captain obvious
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| February 9, 2011, 7:09 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Combat Report starts now. Any FMs I receive after this time will not be counted.


Well, I was out and couldn't send them in on time. There goes our plan.
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| February 9, 2011, 7:15 pm
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Due to the now near global involvement in WWIII, the UFS finds reason to go on a slightly higher alert phase. We do not anticipate any trouble, but nonetheless, we will not be caught off guard in case the conflict reaches Europe.
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| February 9, 2011, 7:22 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

No. The point of this is that it is a GAME. A railgun is breaks the game, because it does not require any kind of building skills, you can just take a bunch of 1x1 cylinders, say its a railgun, and destroy all your opponents. So just like in other games, for there to be fun, there must be balance.

However, a well designed MOC will not be balanced with a poorly built one, as that is another objective of the game, to apply your building skills to attain greater power.

No exceptions on railguns.

A rail gun is already so powerful that it balances itself out.

For every shot they take, they pretty much have to rebuild it because of the the stress put on the bolts holding it together. So these are replaced, which there is one every inch or so, thus making firing a shot a double bladed sword.
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| February 9, 2011, 7:29 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Well, I was out and couldn't send them in on time. There goes our plan.

awww, bad luck.

I think Tom should have given a warning or something. At least I posted mine early.
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| February 9, 2011, 7:29 pm
I won't be on the rest of tonight.
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| February 9, 2011, 7:35 pm
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Quoting John Dawn


Please, stop lobbying for weapons that the admins have already made perfectly clear will not be acceptable. If anyone recalls, we had to put the hammer down on mechs earlier in the group, and this is no exception.


After an extended period of consideration, the name change from the Union of Federated Scandinavia to the Union of Nordic Countries has been approved, after the Finnish people complained that 1) Finland is not a part of Scandinavia and 2) Since there are more Nodic Countries than Scandinavian, the name is illogical.

Henceforth, the UFS shall now officially be known as the UNC, with a nickname of "Nordic Union."


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| February 9, 2011, 7:43 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Please, stop lobbying for weapons that the admins have already made perfectly clear will not be acceptable. If anyone recalls, we had to put the hammer down on mechs earlier in the group, and this is no exception.
I want a majority decision not one that was made on AIM between a couple people.

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| February 9, 2011, 7:47 pm
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Quoting John Dawn


2/4 Admins agreeing for this already means that it will either pass or be stalemated. I am attempting to contact Evan by phone now, but I suggest that you don't hold your breath.
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| February 9, 2011, 7:55 pm
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CR for February 9, 2037:

Japan:

Having 5 KT explosive yields, and hitting areas of extreme population centers, the WC ICBMs still killed a little over 200,000 people. Especially because the Japanese city has grown very high up, so in hitting all buildings, more people were killed in the blast and ensuing fires.

Space:

The IU satellite was blown out of the sky by an anonymous ASAT weapon, though not from the SU.

Midway:

Early in the morning on Midway, things began exploding. Confusion at first broke out, but soon the senior commanders there realized that it could be none other than PCU stealth bombers. When all was said and done, the runways had been the first hit. Unable to get off the ground a good 40 of the 85 known aircraft stationed at the air base were dead, and the rest unable to get off the ground due to multiple tarmac craters. Docks were hard hit, and at least three ships sunk, but the aircraft carriers (Houston and Denver, from what I gather the ex Forrestal classes) were out at their defense positions around the island. When the fleet picket submarine, WCS Atlantis, picked up submarines and quickly called that in, they knew what was coming, but from a largely destroyed island could do little. The Atlantis (modified Virginia Class), but sending off her warning signal, gave away her position. Though the signal was encrypted, it's sending coordinates gave the PCU subs (also Virginias) the ability to find her. She managed to bring one down with her when she went. Then, the main attack force of almost every ship out of Hawaii the PCU was willing to put in, including the new, super-advanced super carrier John Hood. In addition to many other cruisers, destroyers, frigates, and the like. The John Hood's large air wing was supplemented with aircraft from Hawaii.

The WC's plan for dealing with this involved mainly aerial bombardment of said fleet from Midway, with most everything, from the airbase, to the command posts, to the radar installations, to the SAM installations, on Midway island itself bombed to he||, the stage was set for a naval battle royale of opposing Naval forces.

In the end, it was a massive battle. The PCU's dominance in air power proved decisive, and when all was said and done, there were but 8 fighters left of the John hood's air wing, the majority of the WC's fleet (including the Houston) was sunk, bringing 3 PCU cruisers, 5 PCU Destroyers, and 6 PCU frigates. The PCU stealth fighters from Hawaii eliminated the aircraft from the Denver, and when it was realized that the battle was lost, the Denver and her remaining escort vessels fled at high speed for Alaska. damaged escort ships tried to flee as well, but the PCU was able to send more after them, and since the carrier had to go fast to get away, the damaged ships fell behind, and were eliminated. Denver, now aircraft-less and with fire damage to much of the Deck, arrived in Kiska with five remaining escorts.

What it came down to was: More ships, and more aircraft for the PCU. Most every defensive measure of Midway knocked out before-hand, and the highly modern PCU carrier vs. two much (much) older, if upgraded, and smaller carriers. These factors combined allowed the PCU to knock out Midway. (60 Indonesian aircraft, including 30 MAF-2s, also led themselves mightily to the assistance of the PCU).

PCU missiles and Marines (in that order) insured the final destruction of everything left on Midway.

With the main base of Confederate poer in the Pacific blown off the map in a bloody fight, Wake fell to a very similar attack later on, despite aircraft from Alaska that only succeeded in killing a few PCU Hawaiian aircraft.

(@Ultra, obviously, any of your further plans involving Midway that you sent me won't happen, as the attack predated them.)

Returning from the attack, Hawaii-based aircraft found the main Hawaii air base mysteriously bombed, and decided to return to alternate, smaller bases spread throughout the islands.

Alaska:

With a well-thought out and coordinated air attack, the Alaskans were able to eliminate the PCU position on their soil, while holding the border to prevent PCU air support, planes bombed and strafed the PCU soldiers in Alaska, and the remaining PCU presence in the area was destroyed, one way or another.

Atlantic: The Ronald Reagan, having tried to launch a retaliatory attack in the Americas, found that it was too difficult to pass through the Atlantic, due to increased EC submarine patrols and surveillance, she could not make it to the coast without risking herself too dearly. However, by going around enemy airspace, PCU transports were able to reach the carrier and offload missiles which were then transferred to three Virginia class Subs. These subs went beneath the waves, and continued on, while the commander of the Ronald Reagan went to safety.

The Ronald Reagan was, late that night, delivered to the Spanish Armada in the Azores. The commander had wisely decided not to risk his expensive ship by going in on alone attack in enemy-controlled waters.

Texas:

radar blips appeared in WC airspace, and fighters were scrambled to intercept. While on course to get to the radar blips, they flew right into a trap! They were ambushed by MAF-2s and F-22s from the PCU. These stealthy aircraft had not appeared on the radar, and ambushed the WC aicraft that had been sent to intercept the blips, which had shown to have been further south. When the fighters broke off, the blips disappeared, presumably just targets designed to draw WC aircraft into a trap.

Wrong! The turned out to be CH-53s and AH-64s, which flew low to try and avoid detection by radar. Then, they were detected as they neared their target, Lackland AFB, the WC again vectored fighters in, and even with f-22 and MAF-2 support, the helis were unable to make the planned insertion. They were forced to retreat when additional WC aircraft showed up.

However, WC radars then picked up something else. Reading PCU IF-3 planes moving in towards Corpus Christi, fighters were again vectored. These were launched from the Ronald Reagan secretly before she headed for Spain. When WC aircraft were vectored in, the IF-3s flew off in numerous directions, causing the WC to have to put more aircraft on the chase.

With this distraction, The three Virginias skirted stealthily south, through the Caribbean, and unheard, closed on the Texas coast. Finally, a WC patrol sub picked them up, but very close to the coast. The managed to fire off torpedo and missile salvos at Corpus Christi, destroying 3 frigates/destroyers and the under-construction brigand class ship there, doomed in its dry-dock. These Virginias then bugged out, but the WC patrol subs chased them south and west, destroying two of three in the process. Finally, the IF-3s and the remaining Virginia found salvation in Cuba (I'll wait for a response to see if the CDC wants to help Nick or detain the ship/aircraft to say what happens next).

WC/PCU border:

Both sides of the fight had expected to be able to use air attacks on their enemies today, but this, when attempted, hardly held up. A-10s and other such ground-attack craft met too much enemy fighter resistance to be much good, and couldn't really get in position to attack their enemy's ground forces. This goes for both sides.stealth fighters on either side prevented excursion after attempted excursion of enemy aircraft into their own airspace, sand at this time, both sides retain air dominance over their own side of the battlefield, with neither's prospects for air superiority looking any worse than they ever have. So, attempted air-to-ground attacks by both sides left little but many destroyed attack planes in their wake, and did little actual damage to their targets.

The WC hunkered down their positions in the south, and the PCU, watching from satellite, watched the WC forces place mines in the Arizona/Mexico desert battlefield, and wisely decided to dig in as well.

Th WC goes with more caution in the north, and the positions have changed little to none.

The WC and PCU both decided to shoot missiles at each other, the WC targeting command posts and the PCU targeting the two largest WC cities in their attempt to both strike a physiologic blow and also hinder WC operational command. In both these attempts, SAM emplacements suddenly became higher in value, and little damage s actually done by the missiles, as they all had ample time over enemy skies to be shot down.

In the central zone, the WC attempted a full-on bolstered attack, which was met by the reinforced PCU positions in most places, but in Central Nevada, a small stretch of the PCU lines was broken through. The result was a short 10 mile incursion into PCU territory, which was quickly surrounded by PCU reinforcements and forces from either side of the break-in point. This created, strangely, a modern rendition of the classic battle of the bulge. The PCU, quick to react to the sudden and unexpected change in the lines, quickly ordered an air-attack on the "bulge", which dealt the advancing WC armies a decisive blow, which probably was what didn't allow them to get further in their advance than they did. In any case, in this, one of the two really successful air-to-ground attack efforts of these two days, the WC lost about half of its attacking force before the hole was plugged up, and the remaining half cut off from the rest of the WC lines.

The bulge managed to last for all of about a day, as a massive air battle ensued overhead, each side vying for the right to keep this small stretch of lad under their control. Meahwhile, the WC advance was cut off by PCU forces to either side of the bulge, and an attempt to push through and reinforce the shakily-held forward position ended in inability to reestablish contact with them. For all that, PCU reinforcents pushed the WC advance back from the west, while other PCU units held them closed off in a sort of "pocket" from the east. When 160 PCU F-16s (in the second successful air-to-ground attack, coming on the second day), where sent in (they had originally been tasked with following the PCU missile barrage to the WC's two most populous cities but couldn't because of WC aircraft), these 160 planes carried fire bombs that had been originally intended for the WC cities, but instead made good for the purpose of fire-bombing the fields of WC, sticking around long enough to set them ablaze. However, this incursion was unfortunate for many F-16 drivers, as 35 of them were lost in the still-contested skies over the pocket, and even as the pocket wasset ablaze, the invaadig WC troops still felt they could hold on and wait for reinforcements.

Well, what arrived instead were PCU reinforcements, which bolstered the line between the pocket and the main WC held-zone, and managed to prevent another attempted WC attempt to relieve the forces in the pocket. Eventually, after heavy, heavy fighting, 4,000 of the original 10,000 WC troops, out of ammo and supplies, had to surrender to the PCU who surrounded them. The WC sufferrd heavy losses, not only the 10,000 men and their machines in the bulge/pocket (6,000 lost to 2 heavy air attacks and PCU attacks from all sides, 4,000 surrendered when supplies were lost), but they also suffered heavy losses in their two major attempts to reinforce the pocket, and the losses from this major battle, combined with losses from battles all along the front, was enough to cause the advance to bog down again, with gains of 5 miles in some places, 0 in others.

The EC has dispatched a force from Oklahoma through WC territory to help with the war, but, since it takes time to get large forces across mountain ranges and large expanses of land, these won't come into play until the next CR. (Sorry Will, but I'm taking a realism call on this one, you'll see some action next time around).

PCU:

For the past days of fighting, the CU citizens have endured blackouts and other measures for their own safety, to good effect.

However, one thing that wasn't anticipated was Williams of the WC, his contacts with local gangs in Mexico, California, and Nevada, he has contacted them, in hops of using them against the PCU. Rival gangs however, got windofths, and are now causing increasedgang warfare on the streets of Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and in northern Mexico. The gang wars have prevented any WC supporting gangs (of which there are few), from being productive. PCU supporting gangs (also very few) are openly warring with WC-supporting gangs, and other gangs, those who only care about themselves (the majority of the gangs), attack both sides, generally doing no good to anyone.

At this rate, the various gangs will just ki|| each other off. Which isn't altogether a bad thing.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:22 pm
Good, good. The IF-3s prove themselves as a dominant factor. Another good thing, the Border is ours. Midway, thorn in the sides of the Asians, eliminated by my hand.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:30 pm
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And that's what happens when the PCU wants things done. Asia is once more safe from outsiders, now back to killing each other everyone!


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| February 9, 2011, 8:34 pm
The Commonwealth warns Spain not to enter the conflict, or else we could possibly go to war against each other.

On another note 3 more destroyers were completed.

All of our carriers and their support ships have returned home. Our country is also beginning to go onto 100% alert with fear of the conflict coming to Europe. All carriers and ther escorts will be on constant alert, and will be ready to defend our interests.

Also Cuba has received 5 destroyers and all of our former frigates...
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| February 9, 2011, 8:36 pm
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@Brikr and @Ham, your next orders will be featured in the next CR. You have the rest of today, all day tomorrow, and until about 4 or 5 on Friday to send in orders to me.

That time frame goes for everyone. And please, I have a request.

PLEASE DON'T SEND ME SEVERAL LONG FMs! I just can't do this like it is any more. From now on, I want all your plans on a single FM, and if you want to change something, copy, paste, edit and resend your original plans. From this point on, I WILL ONLY TAKE ONE FM PER PARTICIPANT, SO YOU BETTER MAKE SURE THAT ONE FM HAS EVERYTHING ON IT!

(note: caps are not because I am yelling, I just really need those specific points to go across.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:39 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Did you get the message re: my secret weapon? My access to flickr is unreliable, so I arranged to have it sent to you via Awe.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Quoting Thomas N


I found it quite fitting how I was listening to "Requiem for a Tower" when reading the CR. Well written, my friend.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Thomas N

Did you get the message re: my secret weapon? My access to flickr is unreliable, so I arranged to have it sent to you via Awe.

I got it, it hasn't been implemented yet though.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:48 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Commonwealth warns Spain not to enter the conflict, or else we could possibly go to war against each other.


Can't tell me what I can't do. The fighting will be far away from Europe, so you can't pull that card.

Notes I forgot from yesterday:

All of our Centauros have been upgraded with the left over 120 MM cannons from the old Leopards. The program to extend the lives of our equipment is going well.

The nuclear energy program is well underway, with several more sites close to completion.

Homebred fighter plans revisited, prototype shows promise.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:49 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I found it quite fitting how I was listening to "Requiem for a Tower" when reading the CR. Well written, my friend.

I was listening to "Apocalypse" by Bear McCreary myself. It's the default listening music to anything CR related.

You guys should listen to it.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:49 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I was listening to "Apocalypse" by Bear McCreary myself. It's the default listening music to anything CR related.

You guys should listen to it.


I was listening to Judas Priest. It captured the total war very well. LotR is good too.
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| February 9, 2011, 8:56 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I found it quite fitting how I was listening to "Requiem for a Tower" when reading the CR. Well written, my friend.


Thank you. /bows
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| February 9, 2011, 8:57 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Good, good. The IF-3s prove themselves as a dominant factor. Another good thing, the Border is ours. Midway, thorn in the sides of the Asians, eliminated by my hand.

IF stands for Interceptor Fighter, right?
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| February 9, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I was listening to "Apocalypse" by Bear McCreary myself. It's the default listening music to anything CR related.

You guys should listen to it.

I play that on both my bass and viola =3
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| February 9, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
IF stands for Interceptor Fighter, right?


Indeed, it does. Originally built as a stop-gap for the PCU against it's enemies in RA-CAS-UEN, until we could come up with something better. The Dove was the eventual follow-up to it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/4115920487/in/set-72157622056447215/
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| February 9, 2011, 9:48 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Tom, was that bomb from the last CR, or did he drop another one?

Revision of the last one.
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| February 9, 2011, 10:06 pm
I think if the WC keeps on losing this badly, the troops will be singing this tune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
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| February 9, 2011, 11:19 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

News at the front is troubling, but our men and our nation remain strong in resolve. There are plans in motion that will change the face of this battle, that is sure. Victory will be ours! Ad astra, per aspera.


Quoting Thomas N

Please check your FM.
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| February 9, 2011, 11:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Morale is decided by the CM. And personally, I wouldn't want to fight anymore after seeing 6,000 of my comrades get burned alive.
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| February 9, 2011, 11:31 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Morale is decided by the CM. And personally, I wouldn't want to fight anymore after seeing 6,000 of my comrades get burned alive.

You could never stomach a fight, Ham. That has always been your weakness.
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| February 9, 2011, 11:45 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick

Also, just reading through the CR, well done Tom, however, just one question.

I assume the ICBM's used were conventional munitions, that's fine. However, an explosion rated at 5KT, for a non-nuclear weapons is going to have to be equivalent to 5,000 tons of TNT. Although I fully expect a fuel air weapons (if that's what you're using) to be able to cause some serious damage, especially in the future, I don't see how that kind of firepower is going to be able to be brought into play. A modern MOAB, probably the heaviest conventional munition on the planet, only has an explosion yield of 11 tonnes, or 0.011KT. Coupled with you have listing the casualties to be upwards of 200,000, that is more then then atomic bombings of Japan combined, which had a total yield of about 35KT.

I just don't see that kind of damage and yields happening, especially when mounted on an ICBM.

Quoting Evan Melick

Also, just reading through the CR, well done Tom, however, just one question.

I assume the ICBM's used were conventional munitions, that's fine. However, an explosion rated at 5KT, for a non-nuclear weapons is going to have to be equivalent to 5,000 tons of TNT. Although I fully expect a fuel air weapons (if that's what you're using) to be able to cause some serious damage, especially in the future, I don't see how that kind of firepower is going to be able to be brought into play. A modern MOAB, probably the heaviest conventional munition on the planet, only has an explosion yield of 11 tonnes, or 0.011KT. Coupled with you have listing the casualties to be upwards of 200,000, that is more then then atomic bombings of Japan combined, which had a total yield of about 35KT.

I just don't see that kind of damage and yields happening, especially when mounted on an ICBM.

If you look at the population density figures however, you can see them shooting up from then. The big reason for that is skyscrapers and the massive, cramped, apartment complexes the Japanese just love.

If you look at the main bodies of Tokyo and Yokohama today, you'll see massive buildings scrunched together in a short area. That's easily several hundred thousand within a one-square kilometer area.

So, based on the blast amount (and the largest conventional weapon today is the Russian FOAB, with 44 tons of TNT power, BTW), and the relative population density, and the fact that two went off, both in different cities, and would have covered enough area for both of them to take down the massive-apartment-block-equivalent of 100,000 souls each, I think my estimates were fairly accurate.
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| February 9, 2011, 11:47 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You could never stomach a fight, Ham. That has always been your weakness.

responded.
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| February 9, 2011, 11:49 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You could never stomach a fight, Ham. That has always been your weakness.


And you've never been able to put your pride aside and wait for a better time to strike, that's your weakness.
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| February 9, 2011, 11:50 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And you've never been able to put your pride aside and wait for a better time to strike, that's your weakness.

Mwuahaaha
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| February 9, 2011, 11:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You could never stomach a fight, Ham. That has always been your weakness.


Sounds like what the Europeans said to the Mongols before they were slaughtered.
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| February 10, 2011, 12:00 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Sounds like what the Europeans said to the Mongols before they were slaughtered.

I care not for such blather.
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| February 10, 2011, 12:06 am
All PCU soldiers in CDC territory are being detained for the time being.
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| February 10, 2011, 4:05 pm
Quoting -> avalella
All PCU soldiers in CDC territory are being detained for the time being.

>.>

<.<

Likewise.

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| February 10, 2011, 5:22 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Likewise.

I don't have any troops in your territory. You, on the other hand, have a few boatloads of refugees in my ports.
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| February 10, 2011, 5:43 pm
I will be detaining all PCU servicemen that took refuge in CDC territory. They will be accomodated in hotels gaurded by CDC infantry, yet will be allowed to come and go as they please (they will be required to check in at 12am, and 12pm, and will be fitted with anklebraclets (similar to those found on persons under house arrest). They may not leave the city of Havana. All ships will be gaurded by CDC military police.
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| February 10, 2011, 5:47 pm
Quoting -> avalella
I don't have any troops in your territory. You, on the other hand, have a few boatloads of refugees in my ports.

Since when? How?
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| February 10, 2011, 5:48 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton Since when? How?


Did you read the Combat Report? Your ships took refuge in Cuba after an engagement near Corpus Christi (I believe that was the location).

Actual quote from Combat Report

"Finally, the IF-3s and the remaining Virginia found salvation in Cuba (I'll wait for a response to see if the CDC wants to help Nick or detain the ship/aircraft to say what happens next)."
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| February 10, 2011, 5:51 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Since when? How?

facedesk
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| February 10, 2011, 5:54 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Did you read the Combat Report? Your ships took refuge in Cuba after an engagement near Corpus Christi (I believe that was the location).

Actual quote from Combat Report

"Finally, the IF-3s and the remaining Virginia found salvation in Cuba (I'll wait for a response to see if the CDC wants to help Nick or detain the ship/aircraft to say what happens next)."

I know that my subs went there, but I didn't mean it as a literal translation as surface in Cuban ports. I meant it as they'd head down towards Cuba. It seems that was not the case.
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| February 10, 2011, 6:18 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I know that my subs went there, but I didn't mean it as a literal translation as surface in Cuban ports. I meant it as they'd head down towards Cuba. It seems that was not the case.

Well, looks like I was wrong. But you also said the aircraft were to head there too, and I assumed that meant they would all be seeking protection...
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| February 10, 2011, 6:21 pm
Ketchikan, at least what's left of it, has been re-occuppied by the civilians who chose to return. Those who didn't are still recieving free shelter by the Alaskan government. The government is currently passing a grant to re-build the homes destroyed by the bombs and the resulting fire. A marble monument has been constructed in downtown Ketchikan atop the ruins of the Haida Tribal House with the names of all the Alaskans killed in the raid, sheltered by the Haida raven and the Tlingit wolf.

The few surviving soldiers of the PCU occupation will be sent back to the PCU in an unarmed Beechcraft Baron ASAP. Their arms have been confiscated, and the few tanks that survived the A-10's vigorous barrages will be kept for testing.

I've completed a new MOC, but my camera's broken and I can't find my sister's and my mom's is broken. =/ Once I locate a working camera, my newest invention will be up. It bears the appearance of an enlarged UAH-1, but has a pilot.
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| February 10, 2011, 6:26 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
The few surviving soldiers of the PCU occupation will be sent back to the PCU in an unarmed Beechcraft Baron ASAP.

Alright, cool. We'll be sure to do the same with your soldiers. Courtesy and all that jazz.

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| February 10, 2011, 6:33 pm
CDC personell will begin disarming the PCU ships and aircraft, before giving them back to our detainees and releasing them. Engineer teams will also be making detailed files on PCU equipment, along with repairs and a complementary refueling.
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| February 10, 2011, 6:53 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Engineer teams will also be making detailed files on PCU equipment


As I remain the technical CEO of Oregon Aeronautics And Engineering, I doth protest.
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| February 10, 2011, 7:04 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

As I remain the technical CEO of Oregon Aeronautics And Engineering, I doth protest.

The CDC acknowledges this, however we assure you that we will not attempt to violate international pattent or copyright laws in any way.
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| February 10, 2011, 7:07 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
The CDC acknowledges this, however we assure you that we will not attempt to violate international pattent or copyright laws in any way.


Alright, I am reassured. We've very protective of our designs...
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| February 10, 2011, 7:08 pm
The war cabinet of the president has assessed the situation, and believes that the war is in a stalemate. We would politely like to ask how the combat mod makes the MAF-2's and IF-3's to be superior to craft such as the F1 Blackfish, M-36 Bobcat and the F-37 Seahawk.
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| February 10, 2011, 7:21 pm
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Quoting Will G.
The war cabinet of the president has assessed the situation, and believes that the war is in a stalemate. We would politely like to ask how the combat mod makes the MAF-2's and IF-3's to be superior to craft such as the F1 Blackfish, M-36 Bobcat and the F-37 Seahawk.


The F1 Blackfish was obviously somewhere else, the M-36 has external hardpoints apparently, and the F-37 perhaps got overwhelmed.

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| February 10, 2011, 7:29 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The F1 Blackfish was obviously somewhere else, the M-36 has external hardpoints apparently, and the F-37 perhaps got overwhelmed.

Perhaps the M-36 should be taken out of the picture. But when Tom refers to them as superior/inferior I need to know what he bases it on for future references.
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| February 10, 2011, 7:40 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Perhaps the M-36 should be taken out of the picture. But when Tom refers to them as superior/inferior I need to know what he bases it on for future references.


All combat mods base performance on pretty much personal preference, whether from it being well construction, to a sound design.
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| February 10, 2011, 8:24 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

All combat mods base performance on pretty much personal preference, whether from it being well construction, to a sound design.

Well my planes must be pretty low, 'cause I don't have enough slopes to make brick-wings or enough bricks to make a large plane... I can make boxes though! :D
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| February 10, 2011, 8:38 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Well my planes must be pretty low, 'cause I don't have enough slopes to make brick-wings or enough bricks to make a large plane... I can make boxes though! :D

Hehe, you can just by them from profit-motivated loan sharks such as myself... *cough* X)
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| February 10, 2011, 8:50 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Perhaps the M-36 should be taken out of the picture. But when Tom refers to them as superior/inferior I need to know what he bases it on for future references.

I basically look at each MOC, and decide (among similar airplanes, obviously) which I like better, and that one is the one that gets a SLIGHT upper hand in combat. The MAF-2, as compared to your F-37 and Ultra's F-89 (which I deem similar aircraft), comes out SLIGHTLY better, because I like it more. It may seem a primitive system, but it is what I use, and that goes for things across the board, from tanks to fighters to ships.

Of course, the F-1 Blackfish is by no means a similar aircraft to the above mentioned, but I don't believe they are enough to make a true decisive advantage.
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| February 10, 2011, 9:26 pm
The XF-302 fighter program is going ahead of schedule, already 5 prototypes of the for now secret airplane have been completed. These prototypes will go through testing in all conditions, and hopefully they will be in production by the end of next week. The new air superiority fighter will have 2 roles. One being a carrier strike aircraft and the other being a fighter interceptor. This means that the fighter will replace all of our Eurofighter Typhoons, F-35 Ds, and F-35 Cs. We hope that this fighter platform along with some of the world's best radars, radar jammers, and missiles will make this one of the premiere fighter aircraft in the world.
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| February 10, 2011, 9:35 pm
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Quoting henry wang
The XF-302 fighter program is going ahead of schedule, already 5 prototypes of the for now secret airplane have been completed. These prototypes will go through testing in all conditions, and hopefully they will be in production by the end of next week. The new air superiority fighter will have 2 roles. One being a carrier strike aircraft and the other being a fighter interceptor. This means that the fighter will replace all of our Eurofighter Typhoons, F-35 Ds, and F-35 Cs. We hope that this fighter platform along with some of the world's best radars, radar jammers, and missiles will make this one of the premiere fighter aircraft in the world.

The Luftwaffe would gladly make you an offer for those F-35s, if they are truly outgoing.
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| February 10, 2011, 9:38 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The Luftwaffe would gladly make you an offer for those F-35s, if they are truly outgoing.

I actually want to just do an immediate switch like what Ultra did with his aircraft. But if the admins don't let me, sure, the F-35s are brand new and have been barely used. So they will be worth a pretty hefty price, and you will have to wait for at least another month or two for me to completely replace them.
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| February 10, 2011, 9:41 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I actually want to just do an immediate switch like what Ultra did with his aircraft. But if the admins don't let me, sure, the F-35s are brand new and have been barely used. So they will be worth a pretty hefty price, and you will have to wait for at least another month or two for me to completely replace them.


Since you have not had them from the start, you cannot just do that kind of swapout.
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| February 10, 2011, 9:50 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Since you have not had them from the start, you cannot just do that kind of swapout.

Got it, so on that note, Tom if you still want them I will still sell them to you.
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| February 10, 2011, 9:57 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Got it, so on that note, Tom if you still want them I will still sell them to you.

Good. Then, how much for some F-35Ds?

I would be most interested in also upgrading my current force of ex-Dutch F-35s to this standard. So I think the D version would be best for me.
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| February 10, 2011, 10:18 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Good. Then, how much for some F-35Ds?

I would be most interested in also upgrading my current force of ex-Dutch F-35s to this standard. So I think the D version would be best for me.

I would say around 20 million to 50 million an aircraft, so lets meet around the middle of that how about around 30 million an aircraft. And I'll throw in the upgrade kits to the F-35 D.

Note that I will not be able to see them to you until I begin producing the F-302, which means that you will have to wait at least another week or so.

And in another note did you get my FM
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| February 10, 2011, 10:38 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I would say around 20 million to 50 million an aircraft, so lets meet around the middle of that how about around 30 million an aircraft. And I'll throw in the upgrade kits to the F-35 D.

Note that I will not be able to see them to you until I begin producing the F-302, which means that you will have to wait at least another week or so.

And in another note did you get my FM

That's all well and good, my good chap, jolly good of you to do business with us blokes.

And yes, I got your FM. Looks like I have a lot of work to do tomorrow...
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| February 10, 2011, 10:53 pm
Henry, couldn't you atleast try to sue for peace before going total war on me? I'm afraid you'll catach me with my Armada gone for the most part.
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| February 10, 2011, 11:21 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Production continues as never before in this wartime. Setbacks like the Brigand-class vessel's destruction were the product of bad foresight. Investigations are being launched into who might be to blame for such oversights. The public will likely look for someone to blame, the WCHC is getting a jump on it; though some say they are setting up the machinery to point the finger at someone else when the time comes. Only time will tell.

Strategies are being considered that are somewhat unorthodox to say the least. Some have been rejected outright, others are moving forward.

While the nation is still troubled over the news at the front, morale remains high as we have the high ground.

Projects are still on the drawing board, no sense loosing our heads over our current predicament. A nation must always look to the future or our development will stall.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Henry, couldn't you atleast try to sue for peace before going total war on me? I'm afraid you'll catach me with my Armada gone for the most part.

What's a matter, boy? Got too much on your hands?

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| February 10, 2011, 11:56 pm
Yesterday in Brazil... (Yes, YESTERDAY)

Building of railways has been terminated in order to conserve steel for war machines and ammunition. Speaking of ammo, production of it as at an all time high.

Interceptor design continues improvement and a new cruise missile design is on the drawing board.

Production in factories goes well and hundreds of Osórios have been produced along with fighters. Our first squadron of F-33 has been produced and production has increased.
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| February 11, 2011, 7:14 am
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This morning, in the Western Confederation...

The Brigand-class ship is still smoking in drydock. The WC must admire the accuracy of the PCU sailors, no collateral damage was recorded. The superstructure is toast, but it looks as though most of the hull and keel can be salvaged, setting the project back at about 50%+/-.

Special weapons development is priority, similar to the German plan in WWII, dazzle your enemy and he will wonder as to your true weakness; until he debates in his mind as to whether there be any at all.

The first battalion of Project Norris special forces has been trained. We hope to test them in real combat before this is all over, though some technical problems are occurring with their equipment.

The WCHC suspicions are confirmed, that "Americans dabbling in Asian affairs" apparently meant "Only WC dabbling in Asian affairs" since the hypocritical Alenia has done nothing since the seizure of Midway and breach of "Past Hawaii" aerial curfew. Such things will be set right, you will see...
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| February 11, 2011, 11:46 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
The WCHC suspicions are confirmed, that "Americans dabbling in Asian affairs" apparently meant "Only WC dabbling in Asian affairs" since the hypocritical Alenia has done nothing since the seizure of Midway and breach of "Past Hawaii" aerial curfew. Such things will be set right, you will see...

They outta know better than meddle with American affairz!!1!!1!
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| February 11, 2011, 4:19 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
This morning, in the Western Confederation...

The Brigand-class ship is still smoking in drydock. The WC must admire the accuracy of the PCU sailors, no collateral damage was recorded. The superstructure is toast, but it looks as though most of the hull and keel can be salvaged, setting the project back at about 50%+/-.

You have the remarkable ability to change things to suit your needs.

I said DESTROYED not salvageable. You need to either build a new one, or none at all. No skirting around the problem.
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| February 11, 2011, 4:28 pm
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ATTENTION ALL WARRING NATIONS!

I need your battle plans by 7:00 EST tonight, (that is also 7:00 MOCpages time). If you do not have your plans into me by then, I will not count them.

I already have orders from: Ultra, Jack, Nick, Will, Henry, and Avalella. Anyone else (Brikkr, Awesome, Ham, or anybody) needs to get them in by 7:00 EST tonight.

And remember, one, all-comprising FM only please.
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| February 11, 2011, 4:41 pm
Quoting Thomas N
ATTENTION ALL WARRING NATIONS!

I need your battle plans by 7:00 EST tonight, (that is also 7:00 MOCpages time). If you do not have your plans into me by then, I will not count them.

I already have orders from: Ultra, Jack, Nick, Will, Henry, and Avalella. Anyone else (Brikkr, Awesome, Ham, or anybody) needs to get them in by 7:00 EST tonight.

And remember, one, all-comprising FM only please.

I swear to Caupo, if Ham doesn't send in his plans I am going to beat him like a dog. >.>
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| February 11, 2011, 5:23 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I swear to Caupo, if Ham doesn't send in his plans I am going to beat him like a dog. >.>

If you know his plans you could send them in as insurance.
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| February 11, 2011, 5:38 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The WCHC suspicions are confirmed, that "Americans dabbling in Asian affairs" apparently meant "Only WC dabbling in Asian affairs" since the hypocritical Alenia has done nothing since the seizure of Midway and breach of "Past Hawaii" aerial curfew. Such things will be set right, you will see...


I think Tom's right, you have quite the astounding ability to see things precisely the way you want to.

I have no idea what Alenia is up to, but now you're out of Midway and the entire Pacific, so I'm happy. Your friends in the EC and Brazil seem to have been driven out too. Alaska is all that remains, and if Alaska will listen to reason and leave us to our own affairs, we'll leave Alaska to it's own affairs too. Hopefully we've all learned a lesson about not getting involved in affairs not our own.

Probably not. You'll be back for revenge, that I'm sure of.
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| February 11, 2011, 6:42 pm
Quoting Thomas N
If you know his plans you could send them in as insurance.

Just to remind you if you did not get my FM, there will be no combat from the PCU in Georgia tonight.
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| February 11, 2011, 6:46 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

....I have no idea what Alenia is up to, but now you're out of Midway and the entire Pacific, so I'm happy. Your friends in the EC and Brazil seem to have been driven out too. Alaska is all that remains, and if Alaska will listen to reason and leave us to our own affairs, we'll leave Alaska to it's own affairs too. Hopefully we've all learned a lesson about not getting involved in affairs not our own.


Well, I'm stayin out of Asia by all means, but I'm not the only one left in this war fo sho.

Ironically, now you're the one meddling with affairs of an oversea country... >.>
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| February 11, 2011, 7:43 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Well, I'm stayin out of Asia by all means, but I'm not the only one left in this war fo sho.

Ironically, now you're the one meddling with affairs of an oversea country... >.>


They meddled with the Philippines fiasco. I'm meddling because weapons of mass destruction were used. In order for the word of China to be effective, our words must be credible. Besides, I'm sure you all would do the same.
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| February 11, 2011, 7:56 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I think Tom's right, you have quite the astounding ability to see things precisely the way you want to.

Just think of it as me being a fabulous politician.

Quoting Thomas N
You have the remarkable ability to change things to suit your needs.

I said DESTROYED not salvageable. You need to either build a new one, or none at all. No skirting around the problem.

I really need to read those things more closely...

However, unless you are prepared to say that it is now 58,000 tons of ash, then saying it's un-salvageable is a misnomer. Recall I did say that the superstructure is toast, so is most of the inside. Even if the hull had multiple holes in it I could still repair it. Missing entire sections of the hull is another thing altogether.

I don't see it as unreasonable that I am using loopholes in the relative lack of details. It does not go against the authority of the CM, and it does not flagrantly flaunt the written word.

Besides, it won't launch during this conflict, and I have to clean out the entire thing before I can start repairs. That is what is nice about having it in drydock instead of out on the high seas. The same thing happened at Pearl Harbor. Heck, one ship was half sunk, it's hull holed in multiple sections, its superstructure was twisted and melted, and they had it re-floated and repaired in a couple months. This is sitting in drydock, where it doesn't sink, and is ready to be repaired. It had no fuel or oil aboard for secondary explosions (which has sounded the death knell for many a ship) or any ammunition stores.

So, since it's still there and not a pile of ashes, it can be repaired. Or at the very least, the scrap metal can be salvaged and melted down.

Very well, which would you prefer? How was it damaged? Holes in the hull? Missing sections? Let me know and I will deal with it accordingly. Please understand that I wasn't going against you, just rolling with the punches.
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| February 11, 2011, 8:04 pm
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I had an unplanned distraction, but will get the ball rolling on this CR right now.
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| February 11, 2011, 8:29 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

They meddled with the Philippines fiasco. I'm meddling because weapons of mass destruction were used. In order for the word of China to be effective, our words must be credible. Besides, I'm sure you all would do the same.

Weapons of mass destruction? What was Japan using, flower petals?
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| February 11, 2011, 8:42 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Weapons of mass destruction? What was Japan using, flower petals?


Japan is using conventional munitions, at least. You used a thermobaric weapon. 200,000 dead is more than the nukings, and this time, it didn't enforce peace or save more lives. Japan's actions will be dealt with in time.
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| February 11, 2011, 8:49 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Japan is using conventional munitions, at least. You used a thermobaric weapon. 200,000 dead is more than the nukings, and this time, it didn't enforce peace or save more lives. Japan's actions will be dealt with in time.

It was fuel-air. Yeah, see for some reason I highly doubt that. You will sit back and watch as a helpless country is pummeled and, while innocent civilians are killed every day, cry foul when we 'Westerners' try to stop it. At least I had the guts to do something about it.

Put your money were your words are or sit down and be quite.
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| February 11, 2011, 8:54 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
At least I had the guts to do something about it.

Put your money were your words are or sit down and be quite.

Be careful what you wish for, mah boi.


That's all I got to say 'bout dat.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:02 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Be careful what you wish for, mah boi.


That's all I got to say 'bout dat.

Uh, that happens to be in reference to what Awe said about Japan. Has nothing to do with me at all.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:03 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
It was fuel-air. Yeah, see for some reason I highly doubt that. You will sit back and watch as a helpless country is pummeled and, while innocent civilians are killed every day, cry foul when we 'Westerners' try to stop it. At least I had the guts to do something about it.

Put your money were your words are or sit down and be quite.


Thermobaric, fuel air, close enough. To be fair, you caused that be simply being in the way. Korea was far from helpless, and would have gone on being quite fine had you not decided to get your buckaroo on and become world police. You didn't intervene because people were dieing, you intervened because you were already here and wanted to exert your influence. You're as low and tricksy as the rest of us, don't deny it.

As for sitting down and being quiet... We'll let the coming days decide that.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:06 pm
In the CDC, all M908A3s and being into converted into A4s. All crews, maintenence teams, and engineers will be pulling 12 hour shifts all weekend to insure that our entire fleet of Longhorns are up to spec by Monday, however this will leave us very vulnerable. All reserve armored units are being put on 50% alert status.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:15 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

They meddled with the Philippines fiasco. I'm meddling because weapons of mass destruction were used. In order for the word of China to be effective, our words must be credible. Besides, I'm sure you all would do the same.
Indeed. I can't blame you for intervening, but I will not tolerate your stealth bombers over Alaskan soil.

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| February 11, 2011, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
You're as low and tricksy as the rest of us, don't deny it.

Which is why I make free use of loopholes and lack of full detail in CRs.
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
As for sitting down and being quiet... We'll let the coming days decide that.

So you actually intend to do something about Japan? Seeing is believing.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:26 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Indeed. I can't blame you for intervening, but I will not tolerate your stealth bombers over Alaskan soil.


Never said they were over Alaska soil.

Quoting Ultramarine .
So you actually intend to do something about Japan? Seeing is believing.


Japan is secondary. You are primary in this issue.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:37 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Japan is secondary. You are primary in this issue.

Only for a day or so more.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Never said they were over Alaska soil.


Duh Jack! They're coming for me and Ultra. Everyone knows that I'm a southern pig for avenging the destruction of Savannah.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Never said they were over Alaska soil.

Quoting Ultramarine .
So you actually intend to do something about Japan? Seeing is believing.


Japan is secondary. You are primary in this issue.

And I am not primary? I want to be equally up there in the Chinese destruction list. For I destroyed the great Portland!
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| February 11, 2011, 9:48 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Duh Jack! They're coming for me and Ultra. Everyone knows that I'm a southern pig for avenging the destruction of Savannah.

And I am not primary? I want to be equally up there in the Chinese destruction list. For I destroyed the great Portland!


Peace, my child, your day will come. By clearing Portland, you've made way for a more pure Portland, one free of the evils that now dwell in this one. But your day will come.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Only for a day or so more.


I love it when you're cryptic.
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| February 11, 2011, 9:55 pm
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CR for February 11, 2037

Cuba:

10 F-89s intercepted the PCU aircraft when they left Cuba. Cuba had seized all of their munitions (see ICF), so they were defenseless. Ultimatum was given, “Come with us or we will take you down.” Escort began to Corpus Christi airbase. However, one of the IF-3 pilt9s, after instructing his men to be compliant, did a sneaky thing. He discretely (and by discretely, I mean the F-89s didn't notice) called a flight of ten PCU F-22s, which had actually been in patrol over Cuban airspace in order to destroy the IF-3s on the ground, in case the Cubans didn't release them. These F-22s, undetectable by radar, came in on the position of the IF-3s, and lo-and-behold, saw the F-89s in the area. Caught by surprise, the F-89 pilots had no idea what had hit them until their missile-lock sirens blared in their ears. 5 bit the dust immediately with help from IR-seeking missiles. The stealth airrcaft then engaged in a vision-only dogfight, in which 2 more F-89s and three F-22s were lost before the F-89s left the mission as a bust, and headed for Texas. The 7 F-22s and the IF-3s then flew to PCU-occupied Texas.

The Virginia Class Sub used stealthiness to escape and reunite with the Ronald Reagan.

Hawaii:

At 5:15 AM three Alaskan B-170s bombed every military air force base large enough to hold more than ten fighters with thermal imaging/GPS guided bombs. When this started, word was quickly gotten out that an attack was underway. Before the bombs had finished falling on the first airbase, aircraft were already rolling off the ground at the others. By the time all the bases had been bombed, about 47 PCU aircraft (25 MAF-2s, 22 assorted other aircraft, the MAF-2s obviously going up first to protect them, considering their higher value) had gotten off the ground, with the rest having been destroyed on the ground.

However, they couldn't find, nor track in on, the Alaskan Stealth bombers.

At the same time, the other two B-170s of the Alaskan air force will bombed all military harbors, primarily Pearl. However, after heavy ships, they found none, as the PCU's heavy ships, including their aircraft carrier battle groups, were all out on patrol in the Pacific, making sure that their Ocean was safe.

At 5:17, Delta flight, 1/2 of the biggest stealth fleet Alaska can muster up will come streaking in low altitude (to avoid any potential scanners) and bomb, strafe and destroy anything military. Numbers go like so:
58 F-1 Blackfish

58 F-27 Fafnir

36 F-22s

24 Fafnirs were armed for air-to-air, rather than ground attack munitions, and these were what went head to head with the PCU's aircraft in the area. Of course, by seeking out the stealthy MAF-2s, the Alaskans put themselves in the line of fire in order to kill all PCU aircraft in the area. The non-stealth PCU fighters which had gotten off the ground were downed rather quickly, but by using hit-and-run tactics and other dog fighting methods, and in the occasional chases they got into with the ground-attack aircraft, they killed 10 F-22s and 2 F-1s.

The Ground-attack aircraft, after doing their duty,flew back to Alaska, with the PCUMAF-2s unable to follow. In the next couple hours, the dark conditions and the lack of radar helped no one in either the MAF-2s nor the F-27s, and the numbers of each kept dwindling down as the fight wore on. When the sun rose, there were still 16 F-27s left and 13 MAF-2s left. The fighting got more intense s sight-kills increased with the daylight, and by the time the Alaskans had to return for fuel-reasons, there were 6 of the F-27s left, and 5 PCU MAF-2s were left, unfound, in the skies over Hawaii.

Because of the unexpected PCU stealth aircraft, which the Alaskans hadn't anticipated launching from auxiliary air bases while the others were being bombed, the launching of the next flight (labeled Gamma flight), the launching of which had been scheduled for 5:30, but had been delayed due to PCU fighters remaining in the area. It was finally launched fully three hours behind schedule, along with a rearmed and refueled Delta Flight. This delay gave the PCU a card to play.

Running on fumes, the 5 MAF-2s and their skilled pilots flew to the known location of the nearest Carrier battle group (a group led by the HGS Pacifica). They landed, and the dire information was delivered. Several flights of Alaskan aircraft were out hunting for the PCU ships. In minutes, this knowledge was known to all 5 of the PCU's carrier battle groups, and they began evasive action.

The Alaskan stealth aircraft of Gamma flight (as well as a good deal of Brazilian stealth aircraft) went about searching the seas for the PCU ships who now knew that they were being searched for. They kept constant patrols of MAF-2s up, and made sure that they were not spotted. With some gradually moving towards their own shore, and most of the other battle groups moving towards the friendly Chinese, Japanese, and Indonesian shores, they managed to avoid detection.

The Alaskan and Brazilian aircraft continued their patrol, and, finding nothing, they eventually gave up.

Meanwhile, PCU Carrier battle groups off the coast of China received 40 new MAF-2s from China.

All six PCU Carrier Battle groups managed to avoid detection by hugging allied coasts, and are now still hidden, still dominating in the Ocean that bears the name of their country.

PCU/WC border war:

The WC launched a lot of ICBMs, with time to detonation fro launch estimated at 10-15 minutes. PCU satellites saw the missiles launching, and knowing that they had no defense, PCU high-command ordered all of their assets mobilized to deal with whatever threat came.

Within minutes, almost all PCU fighters where up in the air, (those that had been launched combined with those already patrolling over the PCU’s territory) streaking towards the border, in the anticipation of a massive WC air incursion that they were sure would follow the missile strike.

The missiles, as it turned out, packed enough punch to destroy the PCU’s main airfields, and caught them, killing runways and buildings, as well as transports and other such aircraft, but no fighters.

It seems the WC was convinced enough to assume that they would be able to knock out the PCU air force with ICBMs, while the PCU still had satellites and ample time to get their fighters off. Yes, whatever high-level WC planner who thought that the PCU wouldn’t launch their fighters in retaliation to a missile strike is surely going to be fired.

Meanwhile, in the PCU, a junior officer thought up the brilliant idea of, from this point on, operating their fighters, most of which at this point were still in the sky, out of the several thousand private and business airfields that exist throughout their territory. These they could protect with mobile SAMs, and station maintenance workers thereto help aircraft. The sheer fact that there are so many private airfields in California alone, (plus all in Oregon, Washington, and B.C./Alberta) to keep the PCU AF spread out enough to prevent one attack from threatening so many aircraft ever again.

Meanwhile, the ground war raged on.

South:

A small break in the lines was allowed to happen by the PCU. Once a sufficient force of the WC Marines had entered (thinking that hey had broken up a gap during the heavy trench fighting), the Wc destroyed mines and other defensive emplacements in their charge over the lines. The PCU had planned to have the gap flooded with MT-1s and MAH-1s supporting infantry, but then, a surprise. A large force of WC-supporting Guatemalans, fresh off a victory in Belize, and having charged though ACU-Mexico, showed up and met with the WC marines. Both sides were sufficiently confused by this happening that there weren’t any shots fired for several minutes. The whole situation pretty much went South (literally) the PCU had hoped to close off the WC in another pocket, but instead found itself caught up with both the WC Marines and the Guatemalans, forming a sort of gap where the WC was, sandwiched on two sides by the PCU forces. Faced with a new situation, the PCU commander wisely drew the WC troops to the south and west, and then called in a surprise. He called in the F-22s and the IF-3s so recently escaped from Cuba. The Guatemalans, the furthest force to the south, were caught off guard by a sudden and unforeseen air attack, and took bad losses. This allowed the PCU forces to the east of the Guatemalans to run their tanks right through them, causing more damage. At the end of the confusion, the WC was surprised to find itself in sufficient control of the eastern part of the formerly PCU-controlled Mexico, while, dug in along the western Pacific coast and extending all the way up to the border with California, the PCU commander had wisely drawn back his forces, after punishing the Guatemalans, and had himself a good tactical situation by the end of the day. A force of Guatemalans largely depleted, and the WC Marines had to spread out to cover their newly “won” territory. This position, with the WC only precariously holding the eastern portion of the area of Mexico, left a perfect zone for the PCU to counter attack into, which they did, putting more losses on the WC people and forcing them to retreat almost to the border again, but not quite.

In the end, the WC took heavy losses (particularly among Guatemalans), and the PCU took medium losses, but the WC managed to gain a significant portion of north Mexico south of Arizona. Extending down roughly 30 miles from Arizona, but still a good ways east of the Pacific Ocean.

Central:

A WC attempt to carpet bomb the PCU lines with 45 B-1 bombers led to 21 lost bombers at the hands of surviving PCU fighters.

WC attempts to take out PCU SAM emplacements met mediocre results due to surviving PCU fighters.

A WC attempt to parachute a force behind the lines was not launched because of the PCU’s surviving fighters.

Raids by WC F-89s resulted in line-of-sight stealth dogfights between them and surviving MAF-2s, which ended in the loss of 19 F-89s to 14 MAF-2s in dogfights up and down the entire front.

At the end of the day, the WC’s attempt to destroy the entire PCU air force didn’t work because the PCU saw the missile launches, and launched their aircraft in routine retaliation, thus saving their fighters. Neither side has air superiority over the other side.

On the ground, WC armored forces had been taking a beating previously, but, with the introduction of “Iron Fist” (a very good Israeli Anti-Projectile system), on their vehicles, the WC has brought down the armor killed for armor killed ratio to about 1-1. This has allowed the WC (with a recent addition of troops, equipment, and supplies from the EC) to push the PCU defenses slowly but surely back.

In Las Vegas, with enemy armies nearing, the PCU has evacuated all citizens to California, and taken all the cash for use funding the war effort. The troops now filling the empty city of lights await their orders, should the front lines actually reach the city as the war plays out.

North:

WC and now EC forces have succeeded in overwhelming the PCU defensive positions, and the PCU was forced to fall back into Western Washington and Oregon, there they have met up with reserves. The WC and EC troops now push across Idaho. Then, the PCU counterattacked, stopping the enemy advance, and leaving the frontlines now only a few miles past the Idaho border.

Finally, the PCU’s Chinese stealth bombers are still hiding at their secret air bases, and are camouflaged from above, meaning that the WC’s satellites won’t be finding them.

Another thing the WC’s satellites won’t be finding are their 4,000 POWs. Which have been hidden in an exceedingly clever spot, but that spot won’t be revealed here.

Atlantic Ocean:

A battle between British and Spanish fleets is now under way. Due to the scope of the battle, it will probably take several days (and also I’m getting tired), so the analysis of the battle will come Sunday.


@Ultra, I know you had your heart set on destroying the PCU Air Force, but really, once the PCU knew of the missile launch, it is fully expected of them to launch their fighters in preparation for whatever was to come. You're going to have to keep working, now especially that the PCU Air force is so spread out now.

I'll also be putting a front-line map up to Flickr shortly.
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| February 11, 2011, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
The 7 F-22s and the IF-3s then flew to PCU-occupied Texas.

When did the PCU invade Texas?!?!
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| February 11, 2011, 10:36 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Thomas N
The 7 F-22s and the IF-3s then flew to PCU-occupied Texas.

When did the PCU invade Texas?!?!

Mexico, I meant Mexico. My brain switched them around, sorry.
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| February 11, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Oh darn, forgot something:

A PCU missile attack did moderate damage to WC/EC supply lines.

A PCU F-35 attack over Alaska managed to destroy the surviving PCU tanks before the Alaskans could have them. Then the F-35s left.
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| February 11, 2011, 10:41 pm
Quoting Thomas N

One problem. Although they have private airfields all over, very few will be able to maintain military aircraft. Without fuel, munitions, or maintenance the PCU air force is rendered useless. Nick can't be pulled out of this one. No more air superiority for him. It would be ridiculous to think that he could do this in the first place. How much fuel do you think is stored at the private airfields?

Also, I thought my plans would take into effect... Are they still on their way?
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| February 11, 2011, 10:44 pm
In a public statement, the Governator took a page from The American Crisis, saying "These are the times that try men's souls."

With the PCU Line being pushed back in the North, civilians are being urged to get up and move unless they plan on biting bullets.
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| February 11, 2011, 10:45 pm
Spain asks the Commonwealth to kindly back off as we are currently reconsidering our state of war with the two Confederations. However, if the Commonwealth wishes to continue these aggressive acts, we will fight back with all our strength.
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| February 11, 2011, 10:46 pm
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In a counter statement to the PCU, the WCHC has declared that any PCU citizen taken in the course of war is to be considered a WC citizen with all rights and privileges as though he was native-born.

Quoting Thomas N
Mexico, I meant Mexico. My brain switched them around, sorry.

Whew. Had me worried there for a second...

Someone did describe it correctly when they said 'Armageddon' with war between me & PCU.
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| February 11, 2011, 10:47 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Spain asks the Commonwealth to kindly back off as we are currently reconsidering our state of war with the two Confederations. However, if the Commonwealth wishes to continue these aggressive acts, we will fight back with all our strength.

To think you'd invade through Georgia...
The only point and you think I would guard it. Make a move Ham.
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| February 11, 2011, 10:54 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Spain asks the Commonwealth to kindly back off as we are currently reconsidering our state of war with the two Confederations. However, if the Commonwealth wishes to continue these aggressive acts, we will fight back with all our strength.

I will not back down, because you are attacking my ally Ultra. Plus, look who has a bigger and more advanced military? Right now if you back down, and don't head towards America, then I will back down. If you do not back down, which I don't think you will well you'll see on sunday...GLHF

Oh yea, what kind of aircraft are you're carriers operating?
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| February 11, 2011, 11:00 pm
In a speech today by the President it was made known that: "Our Millitary will not step down until this war is won. This is not the end but just the beginning. Victory will happen, and when it does I want to go to Bill Gates' house!"
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| February 11, 2011, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Whew. Had me worried there for a second...

Someone did describe it correctly when they said 'Armageddon' with war between me & PCU.


Yeah, that's for Nick vs. Me.
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| February 11, 2011, 11:06 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I will not back down, because you are attacking my ally Ultra.

That's the nicest thing... *tear
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| February 11, 2011, 11:06 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yeah, that's for Nick vs. Me.

Hmmm. I don't think Nick will survive to see that day...
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| February 11, 2011, 11:08 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The WCHC suspicions are confirmed, that "Americans dabbling in Asian affairs" apparently meant "Only WC dabbling in Asian affairs" since the hypocritical Alenia has done nothing since the seizure of Midway and breach of "Past Hawaii" aerial curfew. Such things will be set right, you will see...

It's more to the effect of "if we detect you past this point, we'll attack". I'm pretty sure Midway is out of even Awe's radar range.
Other than that, moving several squadrons of fighters, along with their ammunition and support personell, takes time.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Got another message for you to relay. Thanks in advance.
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| February 11, 2011, 11:13 pm
Quoting Will G.
Hmmm. I don't think Nick will survive to see that day...

Your arrogance exceeds your capability.
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| February 11, 2011, 11:14 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Your arrogance exceeds your capability.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.
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| February 11, 2011, 11:20 pm
Quoting Will G.
Duh Jack! They're coming for me and Ultra. Everyone knows that I'm a southern pig for avenging the destruction of Savannah.

I don't know that it'll be that way for long...
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| February 12, 2011, 12:08 am
Quoting henry wang
I will not back down, because you are attacking my ally Ultra. Plus, look who has a bigger and more advanced military? Right now if you back down, and don't head towards America, then I will back down. If you do not back down, which I don't think you will well you'll see on sunday...GLHF

Oh yea, what kind of aircraft are you're carriers operating?


I have yet to make any sort of military move whatsoever. So you're the aggressor here. You dun goof'd.

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| February 12, 2011, 12:20 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I have yet to make any sort of military move whatsoever. So you're the aggressor here. You dun goof'd.

Well, if he needs anything ICBM'd...
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| February 12, 2011, 12:29 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, if he needs anything ICBM'd...


Come at me bro. Spain has no beef with you.
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| February 12, 2011, 12:33 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I have yet to make any sort of military move whatsoever. So you're the aggressor here. You dun goof'd.

You threatened Ultra/Will G, and you even admitted that you're fleet was on the move. So one simple question, are you going to back down or are we actually going to have to go through with this?
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| February 12, 2011, 9:45 am
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Quoting Will G.
One problem. Although they have private airfields all over, very few will be able to maintain military aircraft. Without fuel, munitions, or maintenance the PCU air force is rendered useless. Nick can't be pulled out of this one. No more air superiority for him. It would be ridiculous to think that he could do this in the first place. How much fuel do you think is stored at the private airfields?

Also, I thought my plans would take into effect... Are they still on their way?

Unless you've been to a private airfield (especially those in California) then you shouldn't be challenging me about fuel stocks there.

In fact, if you had even been to one, you would know about the fuel stocks at such places. Because they cater to the rich, private airfields have immaculately maintained runways and excess stocks of fuel. This makes them ideal to service expensive military aircraft. With the trucks of supplies and munitions going to them, Nick can certainly maintain air superiority over his own territory.

I have said this once, and I will say it again. No player will challenge me about my CRs unless they want their forces to make mistakes. If you're upset because Nick can and does maintain air superiority over his own territory, then you keep it to yourself.

Your plans entailed linking up with the WC forces and assaulting Idaho/Ls Vegas. If you read the CR, you would notice that WC/EC forces took Idaho, and Las Vegas is close to being under siege, so your two attacks were factored in.

The rest of your plans talked about defensive measures for your country, which haven't come into effect yet because you haven't been attacked since Savannah.
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| February 12, 2011, 2:44 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting Thomas N

Your remaining twenty M6A1 tanks and 300 Humvees should be arriving tomorrow. Sorry it took so long, and danke again for the business.

Danke. Your remaining Typhoons shall arrive tomorrow then.

@Matt: You should have received your AWACS by now.
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| February 12, 2011, 2:49 pm
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Quoting henry wang
You threatened Ultra/Will G, and you even admitted that you're fleet was on the move. So one simple question, are you going to back down or are we actually going to have to go through with this?

If you mean he's not attacking Will anymore, then yes, he isn't.
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| February 12, 2011, 2:52 pm
Quoting Thomas N
If you mean he's not attacking Will anymore, then yes, he isn't.

Ok, then I will send you a revise plan either today or tomorrow addressing the issue. I also wanted to ask you two things. Has the battle occurred even if one of us backs down? And exactly how many F-35s do you want?
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| February 12, 2011, 3:07 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSEjlLQcRY

/trollface

HE LIVES! Hey Cliffe, ya got a claim on Egypt? Looks like Jake might take it before long...
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| February 13, 2011, 1:15 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSEjlLQcRY

/trollface

Welcome to the world, now we're getting interesting again.
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| February 13, 2011, 1:22 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
HE LIVES! Hey Cliffe, ya got a claim on Egypt? Looks like Jake might take it before long...

Indeed I do. Prussia, too (northern Poland).
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| February 13, 2011, 2:41 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Welcome to the world, now we're getting interesting again.

Oh, yes we are.

>:D
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| February 13, 2011, 2:44 am
Now I'm just a ghost in this group now. I was thinking, if a world war broke out and everyone got involved or had allies who were in involved, I'd be the perfect Combat Mod.
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| February 13, 2011, 2:49 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Indeed I do. Prussia, too (northern Poland).


Cool story bro, wrong ICF.
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| February 13, 2011, 3:16 am
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