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International Conversation Forum XII
Last one got 400+ comments.

Highlights:

-Pacific War

-Arguments

-Other
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| February 12, 2011, 12:35 am
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Excuse me, I believe the admins get a bit disgruntled when commoners or mods make new topics.
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| February 12, 2011, 2:01 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Excuse me, I believe the admins get a bit disgruntled when commoners or mods make new topics.

Problem?
/trollface

Well no one seemed to notice the comment number.
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| February 12, 2011, 7:29 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Thought they didn't display post numbers anymore. Classic case of "if it aint broken, don't fix it."

But yeah, just go with it until one of us super/mega-important folk get around to doing it.

:3

I used Find: Permalink. It said 600+ and Permalink is written at the bottom of the posts thus giving a good count of posts.

I'll just use the last one until someone notices.

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| February 12, 2011, 10:12 am
Henry, I can assure you that my original plans of joining the war have been cancelled. And my fleet is at the Azares, thank you very much. Now my question: Do YOU want to follow through with your aggressive stance?
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| February 12, 2011, 10:27 am
Henry, I can assure you that my original plans of joining the war have been cancelled. And my fleet is at the Azares, thank you very much. Now my question: Do YOU want to follow through with your aggressive stance?
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| February 12, 2011, 10:27 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Henry, I can assure you that my original plans of joining the war have been cancelled. And my fleet is at the Azares, thank you very much. Now my question: Do YOU want to follow through with your aggressive stance?

I will write in my plans that if you really intend to not join the war, that my fleet will not engage yours. Although it would have been fun trying to see who would win.
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| February 12, 2011, 10:37 am
The F-42 has just finished development, and it is quite affordable. As promised, Egypt has received full production rights. Our allies in Colombia have also inquired about purchasing some, and an arms deal is in the works with them. We hope that the F-42 can fit our needs for a good multi-role aircraft, as it will be replacing our entire fleet of Migs. We will be purchasing 240 of them to begin with, at 24 to be produced every week (as they are not particularly advanced). Our munitions factories will begin to start cranking out more air launched ordnance, and we hope to soon have an decent aerial warfare capability soon.
These aircraft are also available on the international market, so hit me up if you want some and we can work out a good price.
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| February 12, 2011, 12:18 pm
Quoting -> avalella

I purchased the Colombian Caribbean coast, so you'll have to fly stuff over me. See the Map.
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| February 12, 2011, 12:35 pm
Quoting Brikkr
I purchased the Colombian Caribbean coast, so you'll have to fly stuff over me. See the Map.

Will that be a problem?
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| February 12, 2011, 1:08 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Will that be a problem?

No it won't, I just wanted to put that out there though.
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| February 12, 2011, 1:23 pm
Tom, I just noticed something. Ultra started the war with a mere 50 Abrams and mostly WWII-Korean war era tanks. By PCU's killing rates earlier, shouldn't they be largely depleted?
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| February 12, 2011, 3:23 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Unless you've been to a private airfield (especially those in California) then you shouldn't be challenging me about fuel stocks there.

In fact, if you had even been to one, you would know about the fuel stocks at such places. Because they cater to the rich, private airfields have immaculately maintained runways and excess stocks of fuel. This makes them ideal to service expensive military aircraft. With the trucks of supplies and munitions going to them, Nick can certainly maintain air superiority over his own territory.

I have said this once, and I will say it again. No player will challenge me about my CRs unless they want their forces to make mistakes. If you're upset because Nick can and does maintain air superiority over his own territory, then you keep it to yourself.

Your plans entailed linking up with the WC forces and assaulting Idaho/Ls Vegas. If you read the CR, you would notice that WC/EC forces took Idaho, and Las Vegas is close to being under siege, so your two attacks were factored in.

The rest of your plans talked about defensive measures for your country, which haven't come into effect yet because you haven't been attacked since Savannah.


Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting Thomas N

Your remaining twenty M6A1 tanks and 300 Humvees should be arriving tomorrow. Sorry it took so long, and danke again for the business.

Danke. Your remaining Typhoons shall arrive tomorrow then.

Quoting Matt Hacker

You should have received your AWACS by now.


Quoting henry wang
You threatened Ultra/Will G, and you even admitted that you're fleet was on the move. So one simple question, are you going to back down or are we actually going to have to go through with this?

If you mean he's not attacking Will anymore, then yes, he isn't.

Well, I actually have been to many private airfields and almost all would definitely not be suitable for military craft. You would have to set up extra storage sheds and would still be trucking in equipment everyday. Not to mention the runway literally wouldn't be able to support most military grade aircraft and wouldn't be large enough.

I also happen to live in Savannah and my dad happens to build private airplanes, so if guys wanted I could help with some damage assessments.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Tom, I just noticed something. Ultra started the war with a mere 50 Abrams and mostly WWII-Korean war era tanks. By PCU's killing rates earlier, shouldn't they be largely depleted?

He bought more from me.
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| February 12, 2011, 3:27 pm
Quoting Will Mayer

I know right! By now, the PCU Armored Corps should be severely ahead in the kill ratios.

Quoting Tom

Thanks for clearing that up. Will has been giving me a lot of smack talk saying my AF is near useless.
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| February 12, 2011, 3:31 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Will Mayer

I know right! By now, the PCU Armored Corps should be severely ahead in the kill ratios.

Quoting Tom

Thanks for clearing that up. Will has been giving me a lot of smack talk saying my AF is near useless.

>.>
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| February 12, 2011, 3:33 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Well, Ultra has built a lot of his MOC tanks, and also, he's been implementing this new Israeli Anti-projectile system (iron fist), and after seeing videos of it in action, I must say it's pretty good, so that evens out the kill ratios.

It fires twice, and then it's done if I am correct. Unless he's arming multiple Iron Fists on each tank.
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| February 12, 2011, 3:47 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Jake H.

Well, all the private airfields I've seen would have more than enough fuel and runway to support fighters.

And because no one airfield services more than a few fighters, not all that much equipment is needed.

eh


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| February 12, 2011, 3:48 pm
@ Whoever shot down my satellite.
Thanks, I was about to take it out of orbit myself, but you just did that for me.

The new Indo Union Satellite is complete, and will posted to Flickr soon. It is armed with interceptor rockets that use a small compressed gas charge to launch the missiles the first 50 yards so that the satellite is not damaged or knocked out of orbit by the recoil.

Nothing that new from me:
Sumatra is steadily being colonized, and the rebels crushed out of existence.
The Pillbox bunkers along the coasts of Borneo and Sulawesi are finished.
Number of Valkyrie MKIIs in our inventory reach 35+.

On another matter: I do find it ironic that Ultra, who is the biggest bragger in the group, and whom claims things like 'well I'm a fabulous politician' and 'can I help it if I'm such a good tactician?' and who reckons he's the most powerful country in the world, is losing a war against a neighboring nation who is single handedly fighting Ultra AND most of his allies.
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| February 12, 2011, 3:48 pm
Okay, unlike a lot of people, I researched nearly every major military base in my lands to get good estimates of my vehicles, so Ham, Ultra has well over 1,000 Abrams maybe even 2,000 and a lot more ground vehicles where that came from. Out of the 9,000 some-odd Abrams ever produced I believe the the American west houses most of them.

Quoting Thomas N
Unless you've been to a private airfield (especially those in California) then you shouldn't be challenging me about fuel stocks there.

In fact, if you had even been to one, you would know about the fuel stocks at such places. Because they cater to the rich, private airfields have immaculately maintained runways and excess stocks of fuel. This makes them ideal to service expensive military aircraft. With the trucks of supplies and munitions going to them, Nick can certainly maintain air superiority over his own territory.

I have said this once, and I will say it again. No player will challenge me about my CRs unless they want their forces to make mistakes. If you're upset because Nick can and does maintain air superiority over his own territory, then you keep it to yourself.

Your plans entailed linking up with the WC forces and assaulting Idaho/Ls Vegas. If you read the CR, you would notice that WC/EC forces took Idaho, and Las Vegas is close to being under siege, so your two attacks were factored in.

The rest of your plans talked about defensive measures for your country, which haven't come into effect yet because you haven't been attacked since Savannah.

Thousands of airports, all miles apart, means thousands of trucks and soldiers delivering munitions. That means easy targets... I am not questioning th CR, only stating the obvious.
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| February 12, 2011, 3:55 pm
Uh oh, Mr. Super biotic hyperactive war chariot is back! We're all gonna die...
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| February 12, 2011, 4:00 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Uh oh, Mr. Super biotic hyperactive war chariot is back! We're all gonna die...

Cliffe will not be attacked because of his prior history, I'll defend him.

Quoting Will Gober

That means you.

Also, just because he has that many tanks doesn't mean he can field them all. Oil is limited.

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| February 12, 2011, 4:02 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Cliffe will not be attacked because of his prior history, I'll defend him.

Quoting Will Gober

That means you.

Also, just because he has that many tanks doesn't mean he can field them all. Oil is limited.

I had no intention of attacking him, not sure why you thought I would...

Anyway, what country will he be now? I'm pretty sure Jake took all of his previous territory in Canada.
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| February 12, 2011, 4:06 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I had no intention of attacking him, not sure why you thought I would...

Anyway, what country will he be now? I'm pretty sure Jake took all of his previous territory in Canada.

Everyone has a reason to attack him.

He'll take Egypt, DUH.
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| February 12, 2011, 4:08 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan

On another matter: I do find it ironic that Ultra, who is the biggest bragger in the group, and whom claims things like 'well I'm a fabulous politician' and 'can I help it if I'm such a good tactician?' and who reckons he's the most powerful country in the world, is losing a war against a neighboring nation who is single handedly fighting Ultra AND most of his allies.

First thing's first Danny, Ultra and I have gained ground, Nick's capital city is no more, and his air force operates out of private fields, I don't know what you call losing, but if that's it than you have high expectations. Secondly, Ultra never said he was the best nation. Oh yeah, you caused this war Danny, and if Nick makes it out alive, then he'll be coming for you. I take it that you don't see that your "ally" is losing a war that you made him fight. Now that the war is out of your front yard you have abandoned him. We
Americans help each other, be it in our front yard or 3,000 miles away.
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| February 12, 2011, 4:12 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Everyone has a reason to attack him.

He'll take Egypt, DUH.


He's going to be ecstatic to have those tanks from Avalella.

Meanwhile, Spain has finally secured production rights of the F-35 from the PCU for the price of $310 million.
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| February 12, 2011, 4:12 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, just because he has that many tanks doesn't mean he can field them all. Oil is limited.

Well, the Western and Southern Confederation (along with I), control almost all of the Gulf's oil wells, so I'd say they have more then enough fuel to field 2,000 Abrams. Logistics, however, is a different story. As no one in this group has mentioned any having any sort of tank transports, I'd assume everyone here would be spending a great deal of fuel just getting the tanks to the front.
just my $.02
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| February 12, 2011, 4:18 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

He's going to be ecstatic to have those tanks from Avalella.

+1
Anyways, if he does choose Egypt, it would be more plausible if he gets a little "radical" with it. If anyone hasn't noticed yet, Egpyt has just had a revolution. I'd say that gives him a little more leeway with what he does to it (government-wise).
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| February 12, 2011, 4:20 pm
Quoting Will G.
First thing's first Danny, Ultra and I have gained ground, Nick's capital city is no more, and his air force operates out of private fields, I don't know what you call losing, but if that's it than you have high expectations. Secondly, Ultra never said he was the best nation. Oh yeah, you caused this war Danny, and if Nick makes it out alive, then he'll be coming for you. I take it that you don't see that your "ally" is losing a war that you made him fight. Now that the war is out of your front yard you have abandoned him. We
Americans help each other, be it in our front yard or 3,000 miles away.

Wow, you're a little bit arrogant aren't you?

I didn't start this whole American war. I never asked Nick to get involved. Everyone got disgruntled about Jake and Ultra attacking me, and nobody, least not on our side, appreciated Ultra's constant bragging. And I have asked Nick if he wanted my help, and he says he's doing fine on his own. BTW if you read the combat report, it says 60 of my aircraft helped destroy Midway.

This is why a lot of people in places like Australia and England have a kind of prejudice against Americans, because many americans have an oversized ego they can't live up to. I have met/known some Americans who are not like this, and who are really easy to get along with, but I can see how other people who judge Americans by their majority have a disgruntled attitude to America.

As for Nick losing the war:
I have read the combat reports, and it seams Ultra has sustained many more losses than Nick. check you facts.
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| February 12, 2011, 4:24 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Uh oh, Mr. Super biotic hyperactive war chariot is back! We're all gonna die...

>.>

now you're spamming...
Quoting Brendan Dore
Zomg Cliffe's back.

Oh geez.

/high five
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| February 12, 2011, 4:36 pm
Wait Cliffe's back!?
ZOMG YES!
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| February 12, 2011, 4:41 pm
Quoting Jake H.
>.>

now you're spamming...

Says the one who just double posted two off topic comments. Don't be such a hypo.crite.
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| February 12, 2011, 4:52 pm
Development of a laser used specifically to shoot down satellites has begun.

Production of all of our ships continues.
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| February 12, 2011, 5:00 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Says the one who just double posted two off topic comments. Don't be such a hypo.crite.

I was very excited :P

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| February 12, 2011, 5:01 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Wow, you're a little bit arrogant aren't you?

I didn't start this whole American war. I never asked Nick to get involved. Everyone got disgruntled about Jake and Ultra attacking me, and nobody, least not on our side, appreciated Ultra's constant bragging. And I have asked Nick if he wanted my help, and he says he's doing fine on his own. BTW if you read the combat report, it says 60 of my aircraft helped destroy Midway.

This is why a lot of people in places like Australia and England have a kind of prejudice against Americans, because many americans have an oversized ego they can't live up to. I have met/known some Americans who are not like this, and who are really easy to get along with, but I can see how other people who judge Americans by their majority have a disgruntled attitude to America.

As for Nick losing the war:
I have read the combat reports, and it seams Ultra has sustained many more losses than Nick. check you facts.

If winning wars was about losses, then the U.S. won Vietnam ten times over...

This has nothing to do with why other nations do not like Americans. That is a stereotype put on us by tourists with enough money and time to go all over the world, most Americans don't visit those nations.

Danny quit spamming the ICF with invalid comments like this. No matter how the Americans act it has no effect on the actual war. If you want to argue over this fm me or take it somewhere else.
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| February 12, 2011, 5:04 pm
Quoting henry wang
Development of a laser used specifically to shoot down satellites has begun.

Production of all of our ships continues.

I actually have one of those mounted on my SCRAM jet >.>
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| February 12, 2011, 5:06 pm
I dunno Gober, I hate Americans too. And I'm American.
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| February 12, 2011, 5:18 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Come at me bro. Spain has no beef with you.

But...you...just a second ago...I'm confused.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Tom, I just noticed something. Ultra started the war with a mere 50 Abrams and mostly WWII-Korean war era tanks. By PCU's killing rates earlier, shouldn't they be largely depleted?

What on earth are you talking about?

I started off in the group with over 150 M1A2s and closer to 200 light Stingrays.

Do you think I would honestly start a 40,000 man invasion of a country and only send in 50 outdated tanks?

That number, by the way, is BEFORE I started production in mid-late October.
Quoting Nick Shelton
It fires twice, and then it's done if I am correct. Unless he's arming multiple Iron Fists on each tank.

2-4 units apiece, in fact. They're pretty cheap...

Quoting Nick Shelton
Cliffe will not be attacked because of his prior history, I'll defend him.

You're not in a position to do that...

Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, just because he has that many tanks doesn't mean he can field them all. Oil is limited.

Limited where? On Mars, maybe. Have you not been paying attention to all of my oil projects for the last 6 months? I've expanded drilling in most of my states (especially Texas), I built several more refineries, I've got about 12-24 (I don't recall exactly) oil rigs in the Gulf (and yours too now, thank you kindly), and I dug (and still am digging) up thousands of tons of oil shale in Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico and Arizona. My country is practically swimming in the stuff. Get your facts straight.

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| February 12, 2011, 5:40 pm
I also sold Ultra some M1A2s...
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| February 12, 2011, 5:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine I've got Oil!


But are you putting all oil into the military? You civilians probably don't like that, along with having no food due to my efforts.
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| February 12, 2011, 5:56 pm
The PCU sent zero out of the ordered ten helicopters this week, opting not to send the full amount to a nation we are at conflict with.
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| February 12, 2011, 6:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
But are you putting all oil into the military? You civilians probably don't like that, along with having no food due to my efforts.

Uh-oh. We're taking liberties on something the CM didn't say. Naughty you!

I'll just answer that by asking you: Are you putting all your oil into your military? No? Then why do you suspect I am?
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| February 12, 2011, 6:06 pm
Quoting Henry Wang

I've got friends in high places.
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| February 12, 2011, 6:09 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, just because he has that many tanks doesn't mean he can field them all. Oil is limited.

Do you happen to realize that the W.C. is closely allied to some of the highest oil producers around? Since I began drilling the North Slope, my allies have oil to spare. The question is, how do YOU field all your airplanes, tanks and the like? You're surrounded, the only way you get feul is by barging it across the Pacific.

Quoting Danny Morgan

On another matter: I do find it ironic that Ultra, who is the biggest bragger in the group, and whom claims things like 'well I'm a fabulous politician' and 'can I help it if I'm such a good tactician?' and who reckons he's the most powerful country in the world, is losing a war against a neighboring nation who is single handedly fighting Ultra AND most of his allies.

Holding out two CRs=/= winning the war. Only time will tell who wins this round.
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| February 12, 2011, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
On another matter: I do find it ironic that Ultra, who is the biggest bragger in the group, and whom claims things like 'well I'm a fabulous politician' and 'can I help it if I'm such a good tactician?' and who reckons he's the most powerful country in the world, is losing a war against a neighboring nation who is single handedly fighting Ultra AND most of his allies.

I was completely unaware I was loosing this war. http://www.flickr.com/photos/44219944@N03/5437873714/

But thank you for letting me know about your assistance in the Midway takeover, I'll be sure to repay you when it is mine again.
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| February 12, 2011, 6:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I was completely unaware I was loosing this war. http://www.flickr.com/photos/44219944@N03/5437873714/

But thank you for letting me know about your assistance in the Midway takeover, I'll be sure to repay you when it is mine again.

I did not let you know, the CR said so. I think I'll be waiting a long time before you attack me, if you are going to reclaim midway first. Good luck with that. I doubt Asia will want you back there.
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| February 12, 2011, 9:04 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I did not let you know, the CR said so. I think I'll be waiting a long time before you attack me, if you are going to reclaim midway first. Good luck with that. I doubt Asia will want you back there.

To use Areetsa's argument, Midway merely switched from one American to another. We're all evil, so it makes no difference. American soil is American, Asian opinion makes no difference. >.>
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| February 12, 2011, 9:35 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I did not let you know, the CR said so. I think I'll be waiting a long time before you attack me, if you are going to reclaim midway first. Good luck with that. I doubt Asia will want you back there.

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I don't think they'll have too much to say in the matter. Least of all, you.
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| February 12, 2011, 9:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I don't think they'll have too much to say in the matter. Least of all, you.

I'm just saying it'll take more than a moment to repair the whole islands. And we don't want you back in the Pacific, as you only brought trouble to Asia with those islands at your disposal.


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| February 12, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm just saying it'll take more than a moment to repair the whole islands. And we don't want you back in the Pacific, as you only brought trouble to Asia with those islands at your disposal.

And don't think I won't bring it again, if you give me any further trouble. Hey, I can have that island fixed up in no time, it's called temporary runway:
http://www.gfiinc.us/Rapid_Runway_Repair_systems.htm
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| February 12, 2011, 9:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qadUoaWkRW8

let's all be friends...
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| February 12, 2011, 9:55 pm
 Group moderator 
Today, in the Western Confederation...

We, the people and government of the Western Confederation are happy to announce peace once again rules in our lands. The Pacific Union, and most other parties involved have come to an agreement. It is truly sad for brothers to fight each other.

All former WC islands and bases are restored, and the WC in return has agreed to reestablish former borders, with the exception of several eastern counties of Idaho. That is still under review.

As of this moment, all soldiers are redeploying, all attack operations are canceled.

Quoting Danny Morgan

You, sir, are in a lot of trouble right now.
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| February 12, 2011, 10:46 pm
The Second American Civil War is now over, with a Peace Agreement between the Western Confederation and the Pacific Union having been made. Shipments of helicopters will now resume.
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| February 12, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm just saying it'll take more than a moment to repair the whole islands. And we don't want you back in the Pacific, as you only brought trouble to Asia with those islands at your disposal.

You, sir, are in a lot of trouble right now.

Why does this remind me of cliche movie parents?

And yes, indeed.
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| February 12, 2011, 10:52 pm
The Republic of Alaska is officially at peace with the PCU. We have been allowed the Hawaiian island of Kauai. All hostile activities with the PCU will be immediately halted.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:01 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The Second American Civil War is now over, with a Peace Agreement between the Western Confederation and the Pacific Union having been made. Shipments of helicopters will now resume.

Yay! Wait, I never did find a way to use those things... *Pouts*
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| February 12, 2011, 11:02 pm
A state of peace between the Pacific Union and the Brazilian Union has been struck. All troop buildups and fortifications are to be lessened. Parades in Brasilia, Panama City and other capitols and large cities throughout the Union is scheduled. While our EE-T1A1 Osrios have not seen action we are still confident of their abilities.

A new day Victory in America Dsy, VA Day has been declared to be February 12th.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:09 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Why does this remind me of cliche movie parents?

And yes, indeed.

I don't care, and you stay out of this. We actually want to win this war...

Quoting Brikkr

Would you like your tanks back for a refund? They're equipped with Iron Fist defensive systems.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:09 pm
And all because of Queens, and a guy playing the Ukelele
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| February 12, 2011, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
And all because of Queens, and a guy playing the Ukelele

I don't think so... Not that it wasn't a nice try.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:21 pm
Repair of the airports in Kuaui will begin tomorrow morning. Kuaui residents have been granted citizenship or a free one-way ticket to Honolulu if they preffer to be under PCU government. All PCU equipment on the island will be returned ASAP.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:22 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I don't think so... Not that it wasn't a nice try.

I just find the timing ironic ;D
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| February 12, 2011, 11:23 pm
Quoting Jake H.
And all because of Queens, and a guy playing the Ukelele

I gotta say that cover was AMAZING. I sent it to my girlfriend and was like "this is it, I'm buying a ukelele"
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| February 12, 2011, 11:23 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I don't care, and you stay out of this. We actually want to win this war.


Because one extra ally will obviously make all of us lose the war.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:24 pm
Quoting Brikkr
A new day Victory in America Dsy, VA Day has been declared to be February 12th.

I take offense.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:26 pm
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Quoting Jake H.
I just find the timing ironic ;D

True that, true that.

Quoting Brikkr
A new day Victory in America Dsy, VA Day has been declared to be February 12th.

"Victory can only be achieved by the complete destruction of the enemy." -Some WWII general.

Didn't quite happen here.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Because one extra ally will obviously make all of us lose the war.

I was more thinking along the lines of "For your own safety."

I must ask that you not pursue aggression against Great Britain any further, though.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:29 pm
Great Britain can't stop me from muzzling Danny.... >.>
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| February 12, 2011, 11:34 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton and Ultramarine .

Ok not quite that. Maybe not a victory day or a holiday but I'm still going on Parade mode.
Quoting Ultramarine . Would you like your tanks back for a refund? They're equipped with Iron Fist defensive systems.

You can keep them. I would like to get a license for Iron Fist to produce domestically on my Osrios, though.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:35 pm
Quoting Brikkr
Ok not quite that. Maybe not a victory day or a holiday but I'm still going on Parade mode.

I'm more thinking "peace day"
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| February 12, 2011, 11:37 pm
The Commonwealth is very happy for the newfound peace in America. There will be a moment of silence tommorrow and all flags will be held at half mast for the soldiers that fought and died galliently on both sides. Our military will slowly lower its alert status because the crisis has passed, all ships return home from their locations.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:47 pm
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Quoting Brikkr
You can keep them. I would like to get a license for Iron Fist to produce domestically on my Osrios, though.

Well, thanks. That could be a little pricey, but you will get a good neighbor discount.

How does $2 Million for the license and 4 operational models sound?

Quoting henry wang

The Western Confederation would like to thank their brothers-in-arms across the sea. Your willingness and supportive actions will never be forgotten.

Quoting Ham 'N Biscuits

Seriously though, come along, it should be fun.
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| February 12, 2011, 11:47 pm
If Ham's in then I am too :D
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| February 12, 2011, 11:54 pm
Yep, I knew this was coming. On Gmail, Nick said I was responsible for him being attacked by 5 different factions, he claimed it was because he was supporting me. I told him this was his war, and that I never asked him to defend me while Ultra and Jake, and later on Alaska were attacking me, he took matters into his own hands.

Now he's cleverly turned it around to make me look like the mastermind behind the whole thing, just because I helped HIM destroy midway. Ah well, I'll just have to weather the storm. But the PCU is no longer considered one of the Indo Union's ally, so Nick will have to remove his ships from Indonesian shores.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:03 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Yep, I knew this was coming. On Gmail, Nick said I was responsible for him being attacked by 5 different factions, he claimed it was because he was supporting me. I told him this was his war, and that I never asked him to defend me while Ultra and Jake, and later on Alaska were attacking me, he took matters into his own hands.

Now he's cleverly turned it around to make me look like the mastermind behind the whole thing, just because I helped HIM destroy midway. Ah well, I'll just have to weather the storm. But the PCU is no longer considered one of the Indo Union's ally, so Nick will have to remove his ships from Indonesian shores.

Stop saying you helped destroy Midway. Your planes were never near the battle when it occurred. Also, my Navy is not near your shores.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:09 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Stop saying you helped destroy Midway. Your planes were never near the battle when it occurred. Also, my Navy is not near your shores.

Read the combat report. You're wrong in both counts.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:13 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Read the combat report. You're wrong in both counts.

Um... dude, defending the fact that you attacked the WC is gonna do you more harm than good.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:25 am
I have come to a conclusion:

This group is not realistic. Decisions are based on 'revenge' and emotions and insecurities. Only few of you act like true world leaders. It seems more like a kind of place for angsty teens to vent their emotions in, and as such has become a rather h.teful and depressing place. I don't want to be a part of this anymore, at least for the moment.

I have decided to leave the Union to someone whom these h.teful people would not dare attack. I don't want to give them the satisfaction of ganging up and obliterating the empire I built up.

I'm not sure who to leave the Indo Union to yet, but the Admins and mods act the most mature, so it's probably going to have to be one of them. Are there any Admins or Mods who would like to expand to the Indo Union?
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| February 13, 2011, 12:29 am
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China facepalms at all this turncoating. Pick a side and stick with it. We're pulling our forces from the PCU, what little we have there, and going home, where we shall watch coming events closely. A state of conflict will still exist with the two Confederations until further notice.

Meanwhile, in Tibet: Forces move in against the ill-equipped militias and volunteer fighters. Those Valkyries we got from the IU will be quite the help in this, but it's going to be a long and tedious fight.

Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm not sure who to leave the Indo Union to yet, but the Admins and mods act the most mature, so it's probably going to have to be one of them. Are there any Admins or Mods who would like to expand to the Indo Union?


>.>

I don't think they'd like me acquiring Indonesia, but I'm up for it.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:34 am
Please know that I am not rage quitting. Just quitting.

I would like to make a 23rd century version of this group at some point, it should be fun rather than depressing. I'd like to team up with Matt the Backward One and another person. I'd like this other person to be Ultramarine, if he be willing to put aside our conflicts in this group. And of course Awe, if he wants to.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:36 am
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Now, about the business of peace:

Medical aid in the form of the Red Cross, army medics, food, water, and other necessities are being gathered in places to be sent to the PCU civilians in Oregon & Washington, other places as necessary. Our prisoners will be returned, and any we captured will be returned as well.

1,000 tons of oil (crude) and 1,200 tons of refined fuel-oil is to be shipped via train from Texas as soon as it is refined. The North Facilities Power Company has agreed to allow it's largest nuclear plant to plug into the PCU grid as long as necessary.

WC airspace is open once again to PCU civilian and military transport. Due to civilian fears, however, no combat aircraft will be allowed for another month or so. Patience and understanding are requested on the part of the PCU. Full understanding if the request is reciprocated.

An award-winning sculpture artist has been commissioned to erect a monument composed of Colorado granite and Idahoan limestone. It will depict two fallen soldiers, one Western, the other Pacific, in final solitude. A natural gas lamp will top the bayonet staked rifle "Man down" signal, symbolizing lasting peace. It is to be placed on Phazeline Green, where the opening attacks began a few short days ago, that, for all involved, seemed like an eternity.

Quoting Danny Morgan
I'd like this other person to be Ultramarine, if he be willing to put aside our conflicts in this group. And of course Awe, if he wants to.

I try not to carry grudges or conflicts over to other groups. Sorry you're quitting here, it was just getting fun.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:36 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

>.>

I don't think they'd like me acquiring Indonesia, but I'm up for it.

As a matter of fact, you are my first choice. Consider the Union yours, my friend.

And consider this a bribe:
If you were willing to help out a bit, or at least become part of the 23rd century group of this I am trying to make, I'll leave you the blueprints for the Valkyries and other military equipment in return, instead of burning them...

<.<
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| February 13, 2011, 12:41 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
As a matter of fact, you are my first choice. Consider the Union yours, my friend.

And consider this a bribe:
If you were willing to help out a bit, or at least become part of the 23rd century group of this I am trying to make, I'll leave you the blueprints for the Valkyries and other military equipment in return, instead of burning them...

<.<


Excellent, new plantation, er, economic development land! China on the roll! And I'll take your bribe, the Valkyrie is too legit to go to waste.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:43 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Excellent, new plantation, er, economic development land! China on the roll! And I'll take your bribe, the Valkyrie is too legit to go to waste.

Great!

Well, er, bye guys.

Wait, can I just stay and spectate? Maybe even try my hand at combat modding, if I'm up to it.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:48 am
Wow.....
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| February 13, 2011, 12:50 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Seconded, and agreed. The only problem I can see is actually getting to them: this is liable to change into a cold war, since whoever attacks first is going to lose most of his navy to the enemy's concentrated air power.

Quoting Thomas N
Dang it you guys!!!

I'm all set for CMing, and you guys make peace.

Well, there goes my weekend.

Remember the order change I sent a few days ago via Awe?
Peace? Not yet, at least.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:52 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Dang it you guys!!!

I'm all set for CMing, and you guys make peace.

Well, there goes my weekend.

And here I thought you'd have it up to here with me.

I could start randomly ICBM-ing people if that would make you happy...
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| February 13, 2011, 12:54 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
I try not to carry grudges or conflicts over to other groups. Sorry you're quitting here, it was just getting fun.

Fun? I found all the vengeance and genocide all a bit depressing to be honest :P

Anyway, would you be interested in developing the said 23rd century version?
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| February 13, 2011, 12:55 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Fun? I found all the vengeance and genocide all a bit depressing to be honest :P

Anyway, would you be interested in developing the said 23rd century version?

Well, for some of my neighbors, it's a sport. Depends on who pulls the trigger first.

Yes, I have been interested in that for some time now.
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| February 13, 2011, 12:59 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, for some of my neighbors, it's a sport. Depends on who pulls the trigger first.

Yes, I have been interested in that for some time now.

Ok, I'll make the group now, make it private and invitation only, and invite you, Awe, and Matt the Backward One to it and make you all admins. Then we'll develop the group's theme over a few weeks, and when it's finished we'll make it public and approval required, and announce it's presence to the UNE, COP and subfactions.
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| February 13, 2011, 1:07 am
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Quoting Thomas N
No, I'm good. No reason to commit more murder on my behalf.

Actually, would you be up to selling the Iron Fist system specs to me?

How does $5 Million sound?

I'm going to sell myself into loosing a war someday... Aye, yey.

Alright, I'm not selling it to anyone else unless they swear they will never, ever go to war against me. Not that that will stop anyone.
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| February 13, 2011, 1:11 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, I'll make the group now, make it private and invitation only, and invite you, Awe, and Matt the Backward One to it and make you all admins. Then we'll develop the group's theme over a few weeks, and when it's finished we'll make it public and approval required, and announce it's presence to the UNE, COP and subfactions.

Personally, I'd suggest using the Clonet__d City universe, except that A: I'm the only one who knows much about it and B: the fact that mechae are the favoured combat units, and not many people are very good at building them, kind of dents that.

Because, y'know, the UNEiverse is a bit overdone at the moment.
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| February 13, 2011, 1:47 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Personally, I'd suggest using the Clonet__d City universe, except that A: I'm the only one who knows much about it and B: the fact that mechae are the favoured combat units, and not many people are very good at building them, kind of dents that.

Because, y'know, the UNEiverse is a bit overdone at the moment.

I'm sure we can sort out the UNE's history and stuff, with the help of our esteemed colleague Matt the Backward One. Do you want to become part of the theme? If you did though, there would be no Admin place for you, because 4 admins is more than enough.

Anyone else interested will have to wait for a few weeks for Ultra, Awe, Matt, possibly Areetsa, and me to finish working on the theme. This group will determine the future of the factions of the 23rd century world. It is possible that the UNE defy the doom laid out for them and thwart the COP through luck and superior tactics.

And to make this comment on topic:
Despite my many criticisms of Ultra, I do admire his faithfulness towards his allies. If only Nick had a conscience

>.>
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| February 13, 2011, 2:32 am
Quoting Danny Morgan If only Nick had a conscience

>.>

Who ever said I did? Like I stated in an earlier comment, the PCU fights for what is right. Your case, sadly, failed to appear right in our eyes after a while.

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| February 13, 2011, 3:27 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Who ever said I did? Like I stated in an earlier comment, the PCU fights for what is right. Your case, sadly, failed to appear right in our eyes after a while.

Yeah except I hoped to make it clear to you that you were fighting your own war. I never asked you to attack Ultra, and I did not appreciate you blaming me for your losses. I think towards the end most people had forgotten about me.

Awe:
I have yet another proposition/bribe to offer:
Call your newfound empire "ICE" or "Indo-China Empire", and I will continue to build for YOU! No other terms or conditions.
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| February 13, 2011, 3:36 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Awe:
I have yet another proposition/bribe to offer:
Call your newfound empire "ICE" or "Indo-China Empire", and I will continue to build for YOU! No other terms or conditions.


We are Kaoxiang. Not China, not Indonesia, but Kaoxiang. I suggest you remember that. China is but an easier word.
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| February 13, 2011, 3:48 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

We are Kaoxiang. Not China, not Indonesia, but Kaoxiang. I suggest you remember that. China is but an easier word.

Aye, but isn't it the same as the Indo Union being Indonesia? The Kaoxiang Empire being China I mean?
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| February 13, 2011, 4:25 am
I saw someone said earlier that there aren't any tank transport aircrafts in this group. If any of you be willing to attempt a big project, take a look at this:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-viewimage.jsp?i=52873
I was originally going to make one similar to that for the Indo Union a week ago, but realized I didn't have nearly enough parts. It would probably be around twice as big as the Valkyrie, which weighs over a pound so...

I might make something like this for the COP when I get the right parts, but just thought it would be handy for anyone looking to build a rapid tank transporter in this group.
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| February 13, 2011, 5:47 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
I saw someone said earlier that there aren't any tank transport aircrafts in this group. If any of you be willing to attempt a big project, take a look at this:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-viewimage.jsp?i=52873...

Looks a bit implausible to me.

By the way, all you arms dealers, I have something to say to you, which will be even more meaningful should I get in on the act: " , !"

EDIT: Whoops.

Here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/azazaza/Misc/motto.png
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| February 13, 2011, 6:02 am
The EC feels betrayed at this peace agreement. No state of peace exists between the EC and the PCU.
A statement was issued to the public today reading this:
"Our allies all over the globe have agreed to peace today with the PCU for mere chunks of land and steel vehicles. We will never agree to such a thing. We will remember the soldiers that died on the front!
We will remember Savannah!"
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| February 13, 2011, 10:21 am
Quoting Will G.
The EC feels betrayed at this peace agreement. No state of peace exists between the EC and the PCU.
A statement was issued to the public today reading this:
"Our allies all over the globe have agreed to peace today with the PCU for mere chunks of land and steel vehicles. We will never agree to such a thing. We will remember the soldiers that died on the front!
We will remember Savannah!"


Way to be a buzzkill. So how do you plan on continuing the war now, eh? Can't go through Ultra's land. Probably can't go through Jake's land. Possibility your ships can't go through the Panama canal, you'll have to go all the war around South America.

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| February 13, 2011, 11:31 am
Quoting Will G.
The EC feels betrayed at this peace agreement. No state of peace exists between the EC and the PCU.
A statement was issued to the public today reading this:
"Our allies all over the globe have agreed to peace today with the PCU for mere chunks of land and steel vehicles. We will never agree to such a thing. We will remember the soldiers that died on the front!
We will remember Savannah!"

That, could be a problem.

Quoting Danny Morgan


You did ask me to defend you from Alaska's Air Strikes, which in turn dragged me into war with the Confederations.
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| February 13, 2011, 1:00 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Aye, but isn't it the same as the Indo Union being Indonesia? The Kaoxiang Empire being China I mean?


Not at all. Koaxiang is the dynasty name, and applies to all the lands the dynasty rules, not just China. China is used in reference to China proper. Indonesia will be used in reference to Indonesia. Koaxiang is everything under the Emperor's eyes.
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| February 13, 2011, 1:17 pm
The straits of Gibraltar will be closed to large squadrons naval ships for the time being. Small groups are allowed to go, like 1 or 2 ships, but invasions fleets will be stopped.

I'm talking to you, Cliffe.
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| February 13, 2011, 2:41 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
That, could be a problem.

Quoting Danny Morgan


You did ask me to defend you from Alaska's Air Strikes, which in turn dragged me into war with the Confederations.

That's what you're not getting Nick.

I never asked you to defend me At ALL.
You decided yourself to 'extend an arm of protection to the Indo Union'. It was yours, and only your decision to attack Alaska and the WC.

@ Even.
I'm not trying to judge the group, just the way everyone decided they would attack me because of some misunderstanding that I was somehow controlling the PCU's actions, which I thought was a tad too unfair, and that the Indo Union would perish, so I didn't give them the satisfaction: I gave the Indo Union's territory to Awe.

I guess I could come back as another country and start afresh...
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| February 13, 2011, 3:08 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Anywho, if this war is winding down, just remember to post any border changes so I can get a map up.

I got Oklahoma.
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| February 13, 2011, 3:10 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46934040@N05/5440629444/
Except for Butte. All other borders remain as they were before, the Baja base is mine again.

Quoting Henry Wang

Check your FM, ASAP
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| February 13, 2011, 3:14 pm
The ACU is now not allowing military access for the time being.
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| February 13, 2011, 3:35 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
@Danny: Ahh, ok. Well, that choice is up to you. However, keeping with what we're trying to maintain in the group, with China just out of the blue taking over Indonesia, Awe should be dealing with a huge problem with pro-independence sentiment from the populace.


They'll be all but independent. They can make their own rules, govern themselves, all that good stuff, but in the end, they're a part of the realm. A different part, but still answering to my government at the highest levels. Like the Dominion of Canada or something.
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| February 13, 2011, 3:55 pm
My military will go through a series of exercises for the next week. Our entire navy is being sent out and all air assets are currently doing training exercises while armed. All of our subs are being dispatched, and a squadron of F-35s are being dispatched to Gibraltar to conduct exercises as well. Our army will have be at alert level high, and radar will be turned on as part of our exercises.

Our allies in Saudi Arabia have also been contacted, and we have begun meeting with them to discuss upcoming matters.
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| February 13, 2011, 4:38 pm
Quoting Will G.
The EC feels betrayed at this peace agreement. No state of peace exists between the EC and the PCU.
A statement was issued to the public today reading this:
"Our allies all over the globe have agreed to peace today with the PCU for mere chunks of land and steel vehicles. We will never agree to such a thing. We will remember the soldiers that died on the front!
We will remember Savannah!"

Well hey there old buddy... >:-)
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| February 13, 2011, 5:09 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Well hey there old buddy... >:-)

Hey! Nice to have you back :P
EDIT: Anyone touches Cliffe while he's building up his military and economy, they will feel the wrath of...me.


Too bad Danny left though, although that is sorta' a 'mission accomplished' for me >.>
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| February 13, 2011, 5:22 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
You do realize in order to do anything you need to claim a spot in the Claims thread, so hold your horses with the invasions.

Then I should probably hold my horses with the ICBMs...
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| February 13, 2011, 5:23 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
The straits of Gibraltar will be closed to large squadrons naval ships for the time being. Small groups are allowed to go, like 1 or 2 ships, but invasions fleets will be stopped.

I'm talking to you, Cliffe.

I think you should reconsider. I'll send you an FM.
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| February 13, 2011, 5:24 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan

Dang, I can't believe you're leaving. So Awe controls Indonesia now? If that's the case, would you like to make an alliance, Awe?

Ok onto other things...
-If Sumatra isn't being assaulted by the Indo-Union anymore, Sumatra will be invaded instead of Ivory Coast.
-New Aircraft Carrier coming into production. (As soon as I take a picture.)


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| February 13, 2011, 5:32 pm
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Wait a second, what's going on with Cliffe? Who's he invading? How does everyone know what he's up to? I've hardly seen a post by him.

Quoting Matt P
Dang, I can't believe you're leaving. So Awe controls Indonesia now? If that's the case, would you like to make an alliance, Awe?

-If Sumatra isn't being assaulted by the Indo-Union anymore, Sumatra will be invaded instead of Ivory Coast.


How about no. I am staking claim to all of Indonesia as it's chosen and lawful protector and ruler.

If you wish to contest, by all means, do. I'm not afraid of a fight.
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| February 13, 2011, 5:36 pm
Quoting Matt P
Dang, I can't believe you're leaving. So Awe controls Indonesia now? If that's the case, would you like to make an alliance, Awe?

Ok onto other things...
-If Sumatra isn't being assaulted by the Indo-Union anymore, Sumatra will be invaded instead of Ivory Coast.
-New Aircraft Carrier coming into production. (As soon as I take a picture.)


Ok, first, I'm not leaving the whole group, I could train to be a combat mod maybe, or maybe even come back as another country. Or I could just act mother nature and send cyclones and tsunamis at everyone <.<

And don't invade Sumatra. I was already half way through intergrating it back into Indonesia, And I don't particularly want some random nation invading them. Just forget about Indonesia in your expansionist plans...
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| February 13, 2011, 5:37 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Also, Awe, why not I just leave Indonesia as de jure independent on the map, although de facto have all the major decisions made by you? Make the populace a bit happier I'd assume.

And since no one seems to agknowledge it, yet again, Cliffe cannot do anything until he makes an official claim. That is that.


I could go with that, though I'd still prefer yellow... Maybe yellow stripes (not like the integrating ones). And can you explain this Cliffe business to me? I agree he must make a claim, but I still don't know what's going on.
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| February 13, 2011, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Heck if I know. Hmm. It'll bug my OCD, but I'll color it a lighter yellow on the map, for simplicities sake, since you control it totally, but the populace would probably hate being controlled from Beijing. I'd assume you would combine military power though on yer stats page, also for simplicity, which is coolio.


I do intend to combine military power. However, I won't rule them directly from Beijing. Jayakarta or whatever will still rule, but the heads of Indonesian government answer to me.
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| February 13, 2011, 5:58 pm
Hey, Cliffe, why don't you take Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan? They've got some good resources there, yours for the taking.
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| February 13, 2011, 6:00 pm
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Odd how the second I come back from my weekend retreat, I am already in a horrible mood after reading these ICFs. Great. Cliffe, you can't do squat without making an official, approved claim. And your goal of helping out Nick battle the "confederates" is impossible because you can't have a huge military immediately.

Other than those bits, what have I missed while I was guiding 80+ kids in worship?

I will be watching you Cliffe, very closely.
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| February 13, 2011, 6:05 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The WCHC is taking a critical look at the war and the tactics and strategies involved. Our armor seems to be the greatest deficiency we had. Our men performed above and beyond the expectations of their duties, and gave as good as they got. Because of the disastrous handling of the strategic bomber arm, the SAC commander in the WCHC has been replaced, but due to a long and successful career, he has been given command of Peterson AFB just outside the capital.

Iron Fist made the biggest difference, and the acronym 'TGIF' has the new meaning 'Thank God for Iron Fist' amongst the army. The navy is taking a critical look at IF and seeing if it has any fleet applications.

Because the battlefields remain in our control, for another day or so until we get all our vehicles, wounded, and troops out of the way, we were able to recover over 100 light to heavily damaged tanks from light M45s to the M89 MBT. These will be repaired and refitted.

10-15 damaged HAT-1s have fallen into WC hands, along with three intact after the breakout in the north. Quick thinking and handy work on the part of the Corps of Engineers saved one from scuttling charges. These types will be evaluated and most likely copied wholly for service in the WC. After the Iron Fist came into service, no field losses were recorded, so the technology did not fall into PCU hands at any time.

The Baja Base has been granted back, and there today we accepted the transfer of command of the Nimitz-class carrier Abraham Lincoln. The aircraft aboard her were flown out shortly afterward to PCU lands. A Virginia-class submarine was similarly transferred later the same day.

The Pacific fleet docked at Baja for a short time, leaving 150 Guatemalan and WC marines and two missile ships with the PTR. The WCS Denver, badly mauled at Midway, will, with her fleet (also rather damaged), report to Guatemala for refit in the drydocks there. The second Brigand-class ship there is at about 30%. The two carriers at Baja will wait for the fleet originally intended for Wake to join up before heading out for Midway.

Enlistment during the war escalated so much that thousands were turned away while another 12,000 were accepted. The 20,000 volunteers previously recruited have graduated basic and advanced training. 2,000 of them will be sent to Project Norris assault training. Full advantage will be made of the production rates* and they will continue until the F-29 reaches about 500, F-89 350, and UB-1 about 75 again.

The army has issued the exact specifications for the new M90 MBT that will be produced in order to upgrade their assault capacity.

The WC regrets to inform the Baltic Union that we will be unable to sell the specifications for the Iron Fist defense systems. Simply because we are unable to control the eventual proliferation of this technology and the possibility of its falling into the wrong hands.

*Historical note for anyone who doubts industrial capability. Germany had 11 million fewer citizens and much less natural resources than I, and they were able to build an empire that controlled Europe and nearly broke Russia.
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| February 13, 2011, 6:35 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
*Historical note for anyone who doubts industrial capability. Germany had 11 million fewer citizens and much less natural resources than I, and they were able to build an empire that controlled Europe and nearly broke Russia.

They also had a completely different society then us...
I'd say that in all of the former US nations, almost 90% of your business is in the service industry, which kills your industrial capacity.
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| February 13, 2011, 6:58 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
They also had a completely different society then us...
I'd say that in all of the former US nations, almost 90% of your business is in the service industry, which kills your industrial capacity.

And I'm not pretending to be anywhere near US wartime industrial capacity either, but I specifically said months ago that I built around 10-12 war factories as part of my economic plans.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
10-15 damaged HAT-1s have fallen into WC hands, along with three intact after the breakout in the north. Quick thinking and handy work on the part of the Corps of Engineers saved one from scuttling charges. These types will be evaluated and most likely copied wholly for service in the WC.


Oregon Aeronautics And Engineering doth protests.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:25 pm
Just one quick question, who is going to be the combat mod for Cliffe's "surprise" attack on me? I just want to know so I can send defensive plans to them.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:31 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Cliffe can't attack anyone, he's only been a nation for about an hour.

Knowing Cliffe from what people have told me, he'll find a way. By the way how many F-35s do you want?
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| February 13, 2011, 7:33 pm
Quoting henry wang
Just one quick question, who is going to be the combat mod for Cliffe's "surprise" attack on me? I just want to know so I can send defensive plans to them.


It was a big misunderstanding, he thought we were still fighting.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:35 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Oregon Aeronautics And Engineering doth protests.

Sorry, it's just too good not to copy.

Quoting Thomas N
The PCU captured 1 F-29 after they overran Baja.

Right, I sort of meant the Iron Fist system. I was on that subject when I mentioned it.

Quoting Thomas N
Fine, I'll design my own anti-projectile system using superior German engineering!

Which is fine, but this way it will take a looonnnngggg time before 1. you've got it, 2. you start selling it.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:37 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Sorry, it's just too good not to copy.


So be it.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:38 pm
Quoting henry wang
Just one quick question, who is going to be the combat mod for Cliffe's "surprise" attack on me? I just want to know so I can send defensive plans to them.

I guess Ham ratted to you, but I'm not attacking you anymore because the war with the WC is over... and I love your ships.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:41 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I guess Ham ratted to you, but I'm not attacking you anymore because the war with the WC is over... and I love your ships.

O ok ...and thanks!
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| February 13, 2011, 7:42 pm
Imma give Cliffe a lot of economic help, and send some troops/volunteers over to help build infrastructure stuff.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:49 pm
Meh. The only reason why I joined is because I went crazy bored. Simply being in this group is very, very painful. I myself am not sure as to how long I will last here. I just wanted to come in and have some fun, but I should have remembered (which is hard when you go crazy bored) that this group isn't made for fun in the simplest sense of the word. It feels like it's made more for work than fun...

:(
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| February 13, 2011, 7:51 pm
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At this time, the two poor saps at the center of the ex-UFS-WC diplomatic crisis will be headed home from New York city for various reasons.

Oh, and we will now be looking to other nations for refining our oil products.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:52 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Imma give Cliffe a lot of economic help, and send some troops/volunteers over to help build infrastructure stuff.

You're the best. I think I'll stay.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:53 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

On the grounds that the WC was no longer involved in this conflict, we request this CR to be annulled.

Our defensive plans already in place (Tom, you know what they are) were not taken into consideration in this report as they should have been.

Otherwise, fine. We'll just look around a little more and find them. Plus, there is no way we would have been unintelligent enough to put them all in one place.
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| February 13, 2011, 7:56 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The new ruler of Egypt, suffering from a bout of insomnia, woke up from a fitful dream, and realized that he didn't have a massive economy, didn't have a massive military, and didn't have control over Poland. Dazed and confused as to why he thought he could invade Florida, he returned to sleep. The election had been tiring, after all.

Was that really necessary? While I admit my own insanity and misinformation, you don't have to rub it in. This is insulting, and I am offended. I can't believe how nice of a person you USED to be...
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| February 13, 2011, 7:59 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

On the grounds that the WC was no longer involved in this conflict, we request this CR to be annulled.


I never made peace with you or Gober. We're still at war here.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:01 pm
All remaining HAT-1s on the battlefield are under the protection of the Pacific Union. Taking these will be considered a high crime in the PCU, punishable by Death.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:02 pm
Quoting Danny and Awe


Ok, ok. Sumatra will not be invaded. I didn't mean to stir up a fight. So, back to Ivory Coast I guess.

And about that 23rd Century World thing, after you're done constructing the group privately, I would like to join. I am actually going to attempt to start building more sci-fi stuff.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
All remaining HAT-1s on the battlefield are under the protection of the Pacific Union. Taking these will be considered a high crime in the PCU, punishable by Death.

Battlefields that are still in the hands of the WC. We still have men there, and we're not going anyplace until we get all our men and material out. You'd do the same and you know it.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Battlefields that are still in the hands of the WC. We still have men there, and we're not going anyplace until we get all our men and material out. You'd do the same and you know it.

Then do exactly as you say. Get your materials out, not mine. I won't hesitate to take things that aren't mine if I'm provoked. We're at peace, act like it.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:07 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Then do exactly as you say. Get your materials out, not mine. I won't hesitate to take things that aren't mine if I'm provoked. We're at peace, act like it.

Anything taken in war on the battlefield beside personnel is the property of the one who controls the battlefield when the day is over. You don't hear me screaming and crying for my F-29 back, do you? Actually, some of that battlefield is now ours permanently, if you'll recall.

We'll get out, we're not trying to stay there any longer than we absolutely have to.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:12 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Anything taken in war on the battlefield beside personnel is the property of the one who controls the battlefield when the day is over. You don't hear me screaming and crying for my F-29 back, do you? Actually, some of that battlefield is now ours permanently, if you'll recall.

We'll get out, we're not trying to stay there any longer than we absolutely have to.

I see.


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| February 13, 2011, 8:14 pm
Quoting Thomas N

I just want to know, did you get the message about my change of plans? It's kind of important.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:15 pm
Just read though all of that, but what's my situation?
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| February 13, 2011, 8:15 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You're the best. I think I'll stay.

Please do. It'll be funner for pretty much everybody else but the people you're raging on :P
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| February 13, 2011, 8:20 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The war ended, do you really want me to post them?

Aye. The PCU/WC/Alaska war is ended. The WC/Japan&Co. war isn't.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:21 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Aye. The PCU/WC/Alaska war is ended. The WC/Japan&Co. war isn't.

Don't do anything you'll regret shortly.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:22 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Aye. The PCU/WC/Alaska war is ended. The WC/Japan&Co. war isn't.

>.>
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| February 13, 2011, 8:23 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Don't do anything you'll regret shortly.

Halp?
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| February 13, 2011, 8:25 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Halp?

Once I get the situation figured out, yes.

Jake? You in on this thing again?
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| February 13, 2011, 8:26 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Once I get the situation figured out, yes.

Jake? You in on this thing again?

Korea, a close ally needs help, so yes.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:34 pm
Everyone, KILL THE AMERICAN! :D lulz
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| February 13, 2011, 8:43 pm
Quoting Thomas N
CR *Extra*

Denver:

(the below is as of several hours ago)
excerpt from The Confederation Times:

"Terrorists have snuck into the Denver, and are plotting some sort of bombing attack! While leaving the scene of the crime, they sent a note to the police, written in Japanese: "Tokyo and Yokohama must be avenged with the blood of the perpetrators. Surrender them to us, or we will be avenged tenfold.". Clearly, this constitutes a direct attack on our proud country, and whichever terrorist organization is behind this should be found! We here at the times urge all citizens to remain calm, as the police are still searching for the precise location of the bombs, we will keep you informed of further updates via our radio broadcast station."

Tragically, and unknown to the column author at the time, the bombs were placed in one of the most densely populated apartment block areas in Denver. The police couldn't find them in time, and the support columns under several high-rise apartment blocks were blown out, even as operations for evacuating the city were getting underway. At this time, at least 10-15 thousand WC citizens are confirmed dead, with at least 5,000 more residents of these apartment blocks missing.

Well done, my Japanese friends, well done...
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| February 13, 2011, 8:46 pm
So, how many Japanese DID the WC firebomb, perchance?

Just wondering.

Not up to anything sneaky over here, nope nope nope.

On that note: absolutely nothing exploded on the Proving Grounds near Astana recently. It wasn't a tank fitted with reactive armour, and it definitely wasn't blown up with a TK Akula tandem charge missile.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:46 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I am sorry if I offended you, I figured what I did to be the best way to let the rest of the world know that you won't actually be invading anyone.

Because I did get several FMs from people thinking you ere going to attack them, I thought it a good idea to address those fears in the CR.

Alright, thank you. Sorry.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:47 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
At this time, at least 10-15 thousand WC citizens are confirmed dead, with at least 5,000 more residents of these apartment blocks missing.


Not that I expect anything to be changed, I just found it odd how 9/11 killed 3,000 and these apartments would kill 10-15k. Admittedly, there was no warning, BUT logic would seem to dictate that in the age of terrorism, entire sections of a city would be evacuated if the threat was serious enough (which it was here).

Nonetheless, the UNC thoroughly condemns any instance of international terrorism.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:51 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
So, how many Japanese DID the WC firebomb, perchance?

Just wondering.

Not up to anything sneaky over here, nope nope nope.

On that note: absolutely nothing exploded on the Proving Grounds near Astana recently. It wasn't a tank fitted with reactive armour, and it definitely wasn't blown up with a TK Akula tandem charge missile.

>.>

Cool story bro.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:53 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

Well, that was fun!

This is why I like my area of the country. No one knows anything about the geography. Denver doesn't have very many high rise apartments, and those it does are only so in the strictest sense of the word.

See, we're not boxed up like a lot of eastern or western coast cities. Denver is a sprawling city that stretches out with plenty of room to spread your elbows.

I am intimately familiar with that city as it is practically my second home (Colorado Springs is mine right now). There are but a handful of 'high-rise' apartments there, and certainly not enough that 10-15 thousand would live in.

Sorry, Tom, those figures will have to go down probably to about 1,500-2,000 max.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:54 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Nonetheless, the UNC thoroughly condemns any instance of international terrorism.

So what do you call dropping thermobaric weapons on militarily insignificant structures?

Anyway: looks like the mysterious and no doubt excellently trained attackers have 1,988,000 Western Confederation citizens to go.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Sorry, Tom, those figures will have to go down probably to about 1,500-2,000 max.

It's fifteen years in the future. Militaries staying static is one thing, but it's unlikely that cities wouldn't expand.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:56 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Thomas N

Well, that was fun!

This is why I like my area of the country. No one knows anything about the geography. Denver doesn't have very many high rise apartments, and those it does are only so in the strictest sense of the word.

See, we're not boxed up like a lot of eastern or western coast cities. Denver is a sprawling city that stretches out with plenty of room to spread your elbows.

I am intimately familiar with that city as it is practically my second home (Colorado Springs is mine right now). There are but a handful of 'high-rise' apartments there, and certainly not enough that 10-15 thousand would live in.

Sorry, Tom, those figures will have to go down probably to about 1,500-2,000 max.

You remind me of how I used to manipulate details...
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| February 13, 2011, 8:57 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
So what do you call dropping thermobaric weapons on militarily insignificant structures?

Anyway: looks like the mysterious and no doubt excellently trained attackers have 1,988,000 Western Confederation citizens to go.

For the last time, they were FUEL-AIR.

Actually, they have around 54x that many.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You remind me of how I used to manipulate details...

No, this group is about 'realism' as I've been reminded very recently (and quite painfully) by the CM. If we are to keep a shred of 'realism' then knowledge of geography is very important.

Assuming Denver (or Colorado, for that matter) is just the same as any other place isn't 'real' at all.
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| February 13, 2011, 8:57 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

So, we've cut the deal at 5,000? Is that supposed to be a compromise?

I'm not trying to be impertinent, but we must look at the facts, no?
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| February 13, 2011, 9:09 pm
I have no idea what Denver is like, but you'd be lucky to kill 5,000 people in Savannah.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:12 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

I'm sorry, is this coming from the same person that said: "Since we don't know if it exists/works, then we can't extrapolate (based on the rules of the game)."

Also, (something like) "This game is just the things we have today set in a later time line so as to justify the countries' existence?"

And: "We can't use the past as a model for the future?"

I'm not arguing against the attack, it's the numbers in this rather low populated area that I'm arguing against.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:16 pm
Quoting Thomas N
That is, Savannah in 2011.

no, the grounds marshy everywhere, so buildings can't be too high. Plus old buildings can't be torn down.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:17 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Then you keep spreading out until you reach non-marshy ground, at that point, you can begin building higher and higher.

Don't argue with me, I've spent years studying patterns of city expansion.

And my dad (who has an engineering degree, and built houses during college) and I discussed this. The building won't be built to high, because by the time you get to firm ground there's not enough jobs for a big apartment complex, you might as well just move to Athens.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I said we can't come up with future technology. To say that cities would stop gaining population and building bigger to fit that would be madness.

So population increases while progress magically ceases.

Do you even know what percentage Denver's population is slated to grow by for the next couple decades? Did you know that the top in-migration to Denver is from California? Did you know that since 2013, the PCU has controlled California and probably wouldn't let their citizens out (or filled their heads with so much propaganda that they would want to stay)? Did you know that most people that 'live' in Denver live in the outskirts and commute in? Did you know that Denver has a population of just a tad under 620,000?
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| February 13, 2011, 9:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Thomas N

I'm sorry, is this coming from the same person that said: "Since we don't know if it exists/works, then we can't extrapolate (based on the rules of the game)."

Also, (something like) "This game is just the things we have today set in a later time line so as to justify the countries' existence?"

And: "We can't use the past as a model for the future?"

I'm not arguing against the attack, it's the numbers in this rather low populated area that I'm arguing against.

I'll have to agree here, unfortunately... >_>

I mean, those are some very contradicting statements.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:37 pm
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OAAE will not stand for the unlawful copying and usage of it's vehicles. This goes for any and all people who try to take our vehicles without consent, either from the battlefield or from the factories, or from anything. Force will be used to implement this policy, even in peacetime. OAAE has friends on the other side.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:38 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Cities of America, 25 years from now.


Question: What would Portland be like in 25 years? Nick and I would like to know so we can have an accurate grasp of where to re-build the Governor's Chill-Pad or whatever we call it.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:48 pm
You know, Ultra, you should be thankful.

Think of what've happened if those guys had used suitcase nukes.
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| February 13, 2011, 9:51 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Yes. I study this stuff, remember?

I've also seen computer models of Denver's skyline as projected to be by 2035. Have you? (Part of a project we studied for called "Cities of America, 25 years from now.")

Far be it from me to argue with persons I'm sure are smarter than myself, but if Denver's been around for over a hundred years and it's only got 620,000 citizens; what makes you think that it will 'grow' enough to necessitate 'high-rise' apartments?

The skyline you saw was likely generated by a computer which used algorithms, and just a visual representation. Probably not taking into consideration the 20 year starvation of Californian immigration.

I call foul here. We need straight lines when it comes to the past. If we don't get the tech, we don't get the people. In any case, notice my stats post? That population is what is in 2011, even I didn't take liberties.

So, my thing is technology, yours is population growth. I'm saying that tech progresses while you're saying it doesn't "Based on the rules." On the other hand, just because you're studying it and so enamored with it, that can progress.
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| February 13, 2011, 10:03 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

Like I said, I'll take the casualties (prob. about 5,000) and whoever it is will pay, dearly.
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| February 13, 2011, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
yeah, 5,000 sounds good. You are now free to investigate!

The game is afoot! Oh, nothing lost by this little exchange, eh?
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| February 13, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
What?

I don't like making 'mistakes.'
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| February 13, 2011, 10:47 pm
The Eastern Confederation would like to negotiate for a cease fire (not a peace treaty) on all fronts with the PCU. As for Egypt, you will go down. The thought that someone would try and invade Florida when my defenses are at the highest elevation is absurd. Invading a peninsula would leave the invaders trapped. Nevertheless this has created a lasting impression that Egypt is our enemy. Good job Cliffe, bravo!

If I can help Ultra, I believe that Areetsa did the bombings.
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| February 13, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Will G.

If I can help Ultra, I believe that Areetsa did the bombings.

I should certainly hope an innocent party wouldn't stand up and raise his hands and wave them at the same time knowing full well what was in store for such a person.

I concur, thank you for the double-check, though!

Quoting Thomas N

Ah, good then!
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| February 13, 2011, 10:57 pm
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Quoting Will G.
As for Egypt, you will go down.


Sicut erat in principio et nunc et semper et in saecula saeculorum.

I may have yet use for those other 5 Arketers...
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| February 13, 2011, 10:59 pm
The Socialist Union now has production rights to all Egyptian military vehicles and weapons, including all of these http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123 . We will be working closely with them for a glorious length of time. Glory to you, Jake.
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| February 13, 2011, 10:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I should certainly hope an innocent party wouldn't stand up and raise his hands and wave them at the same time knowing full well what was in store for such a person.

I concur, thank you for the double-check, though!

Quoting Thomas N

Ah, good then!

I didn't even notice he admitted. I was guessing. Oh well.
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| February 13, 2011, 11:01 pm
Quoting Will G.
The Eastern Confederation would like to negotiate for a cease fire (not a peace treaty) on all fronts with the PCU. As for Egypt, you will go down. The thought that someone would try and invade Florida when my defenses are at the highest elevation is absurd. Invading a peninsula would leave the invaders trapped. Nevertheless this has created a lasting impression that Egypt is our enemy. Good job Cliffe, bravo!

If I can help Ultra, I believe that Areetsa did the bombings.

Well, really, the only reason I was to attack you was to assist the PCU. :/
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| February 13, 2011, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Socialist Union now has production rights to all Egyptian military vehicles and weapons, including all of these http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123 .

I thought we had this discussion before about using others' creations and not our own.

Well, if not, it has been established in this group that you have to use your own stuff.

On a side note, having witnessed Jake's abilities, I doubt he'd want to down-grade his military.
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| February 13, 2011, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Socialist Union now has production rights to all Egyptian military vehicles and weapons, including all of these http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/21123 .

I thought we had this discussion before about using others' creations and not our own.

Well, if not, it has been established in this group that you have to use your own stuff.

On a side note, having witnessed Jake's abilities, I doubt he'd want to down-grade his military.


You are most correct Ultra.

Honestly, we don't care that this dude is in your guild or whatever you want to call it, if he is not in this group, then you can't use his stuff. Its just like Evan could say that he could use all of Aleksander Stein's stuff because technically they build stuff for the same universe (true story). Clearly, that is not acceptable when the purpose of the group is to force players to use their building skills to gain an advantage/ gain military power.

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| February 13, 2011, 11:12 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Actually, Ultra's right here, you have to use stuff you built, stuff you bought from another (active and member-owned) country, or what your country started out with.

If I rejoined the world as another country at some point, can I still have production rights to my Valkyrie, which was intended as a vehicle of the Indo Union?

@ Matt and anyone else interested in joining the new scifi version of this group:

Feel free to join now, and me or one of the other admins will let you in, but the group is still a WIP and I'm still figuring out the rules and such.

Also who created the original concept for geopolitical warfare through combat modding on Mocpages? Because I need to give credit to whoever did...

Also, the group is called "23rd Century Universe".
Hey look, a weegee
<.<
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| February 14, 2011, 5:24 am
Quoting Thomas N
Is this the same dad who builds private airplanes?

Yus, he actually works in quality control for Gulf Stream., he builds houses in Savannnah as a hobby during the weekends :P
He also has lived in Savannah for almost thirty years. There's so much room around and most of the jobs are outside of Savannah, that people are going to either A mohttp://www.mocpages.com/ve to communities thirty minutes away or B. building in marshes. There's a large area of marsh in Savannah near my school (50 acres) that's in Savannah, but has yet to be built on, but probably will in another ten years. You also have Pooler, which is near Savannah, and where a lot of people live who can't get a house in Savannah.
Savannah's marshy AND is a tourist city.

The two largest buildings are actually hotels, because there's still so much room around Savannah people would rather have to drive thirty or so miles than live in a hotel, it's really a pretty small city, an there are few industrial jobs.
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| February 14, 2011, 8:03 am
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Quoting Jake H.
The two largest buildings are actually hotels, because there's still so much room around Savannah people would rather have to drive thirty or so miles than live in a hotel, it's really a pretty small city, an there are few industrial jobs.

That sounds like Colorado Springs, the tallest building outside of the Holly Sugar Building is a former hotel that is now a retirement home. Except, we've got three ways to expand, and by area, it's the largest city in N. America.

Which means that if, oh say a ballistic missile were to hit, around 70% of the population would be out of range of a direct hit.
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| February 14, 2011, 12:49 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
If I rejoined the world as another country at some point, can I still have production rights to my Valkyrie, which was intended as a vehicle of the Indo Union?

@ Matt and anyone else interested in joining the new scifi version of this group:

Feel free to join now, and me or one of the other admins will let you in, but the group is still a WIP and I'm still figuring out the rules and such.

Also who created the original concept for geopolitical warfare through combat modding on Mocpages? Because I need to give credit to whoever did...

Also, the group is called "23rd Century Universe".
Hey look, a weegee
<.<

Thanks, can you tell me when you create it or invite me. I will try to make some mini-scale starships and other sci-fi things.

So a fleet is being sent to Ivory Coast to invade it. It will probably be there in a week or something like that.
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| February 14, 2011, 3:59 pm
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For those of you who tried contacting me over the course of the past few days, I do apologize. It seems I had to unexpectedly throw up the deuces for quite some time.

Moving along, the Russian Federation has recently began a large program to promote females in the military. They will be required to serve in the reserves for an undetermined period to make sure they're acclimatized to their career before being sent abroad. The main goal is to relieve the shrinking XY population from having to spill its blood when double Xs are just as competent in combat. Plus, if feminists want more social acceptance, they can earn their worth on the field. Regardless, this isn't anything new and full equality will be preached and practiced.

Aside from that, the Russian Federation is pressing for Belarus to alas combine the Union State into one governing body. This is nothing new to East Europe and Belarus' general populace has shown past favor towards the idea. Military organization is already unified and trade progresses with great mutual benefit, so we find nothing wrong with having another represented state join the Federation. Of course this doesn't mean the Belorussian people will be subject to the tyranny of having a Moscow-only "crown", but rather they will be a full-blown state as suggested by the new Russian federalism model. The former tier system was ineffective and caused stagnant development, the new system follows a system quite close to the West and should serve our mostly homogeneous population well as well as the minority majorities in our east and southwest.

On note of Ukraine, civil war is nothing short of reality. What has sparked in Crimea has led to dire government reformations being cried by most peoples east of Kiev and near the Moldovan border. The Russian Federation has maintained a expeditionary presence in the Black Sea for some days now after the Mistral-class vessel arrived and received naval infantry equipment by rail shortly after said entrance the aquatic body. We are now considering landing the expeditionary forces on Crimea as a means to quell the original outcry. This is still in high deliberation granted our Byzantium "foe" remains a threat in terms of intervention. Plus, various other factors like public appeal remain, choking any final decision at the moment.

On note of the Third Chechen War is over. Moscow is in celebration, but not without caution. Extremists are still a reality and we don't need everyone bunching up to make for easy targets, but I digress. With the TCW finally concluded, the territory is now being drawn into a new represented state as suggested by our new federal model. The governmental conspirators [read as "secessionists"] have been pardoned aside from those that committed humanitarian crimes. We're all the same countrymen, so there's little need to apply injury to insult after blood has been spilt on our own soil.

Also, Abkhazia is now a represented territory of the Federation. Their public votes reached at least 78% approval rates, so all is well with public appeal. Unfortunately, due to Black Sea tensions, federal troops must remain in the area. We hope to have them removed as soon as possible to not create an occupation effect, but rather one of civil gratitude and brotherhood. Hearts and minds, more or less. Still, police bodies are presently meeting for re-organization in the new federalism model so they can pretty much ease into the transitional take-over. The police offices will get their share of funding from the present act in place to better accommodate public defense without military reliance.

The near-ninety-degree attack angle ATGM is finalized. Production en masse will shortly begin. The program has concluded with a two-out-of-three success rate, meaning we're more than capable of defeating most interim active protection systems. This isn't really a war-winning item as much as it is a stop-gap measure meant to be utilized in means of mobile defense. The program will also be integrated into an easily transportable autonomous system that can achieve NLOS interdiction.

The Federation is also pumping a few sponsoring dollars and rebates towards corporations that promote and invest in vertical farming. Although this system of agriculture is debated, the Federation thinks it very commercialistic and utilitarian to reduce the price of goods by being able to have small, controlled produce farms near to urban centers. If a mass-control models is ever created, this will also help stretch more foodstuffs to lesser developed areas still lacking sufficient infrastructure [the latter being fixed of late].

More efficient natural gas excavation is also underway in Siberia. With the latter's resources pretty much untapped compared to other parts of the nation, the government all but stop short of grinding its teeth at the lack of investment. Private businesses have been given the go-ahead to claim dibs so long has x-percent of the material is set aside for public [read as "government"] use under a reduced price. We will also be investigating more efficient fuels to be derived from coal presently being bought en masse from Ukraine. Although the item itself is rather primitive, we still like to have alternative fuels researched to reduce private [read as "mass consumers'"] dependency on petrol. Both of these programs, farming and coal, will have defense purposes as well in the future.

Alas, our lending hand goes to our Pacific neighbor the PCU. The maritime division presently in San Diego will remain to help with reconstruction elsewhere in the lands if allowed to stay. Although the Federation looks down upon using an armed body as a humanitarian vehicle, we presently have few other resources in-country to help. Afterward, the Federation would like to discuss more long-term joint defense exercises to keep the balance of power, to be rather general.
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| February 14, 2011, 4:42 pm
Quoting Matt P
So a fleet is being sent to Ivory Coast to invade it. It will probably be there in a week or something like that.


Yeah no. Stay out of Africa before I have to use force.
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| February 14, 2011, 4:44 pm
Due to international treaties, an attack on the WC, EC, or Brazil constitutes a declaration of war against Alaska and will be treated as such.

Alaska welcomes Cliffe back into the group. I must admit politics are much more fun with you around.
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| February 14, 2011, 4:49 pm
@Ham, it's okay that I'm have an alliance type thing with Algeria?

we've been supplying them with weapons and aiding their economy for quite some time >.>
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| February 14, 2011, 4:52 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Yeah no. Stay out of Africa before I have to use force.

Russia is in support of this.
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| February 14, 2011, 4:53 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Brendan Dore
>.>

Cool story bro.

I like to think so, too.
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| February 14, 2011, 5:10 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Alaska welcomes Cliffe back into the group. I must admit politics are much more fun with you around.

X3 Why thank you greatly sir.
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| February 14, 2011, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Russia is in support of this.

Stay out of America before I have to use force.

Not so nice when it's coming your way, eh?
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| February 14, 2011, 6:44 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ultramarine .
Stay out of America before I have to use force.

Not so nice when it's coming your way, eh?

The PCU and I have had standing relations for awhile now. I also have standing economic and peace negotiations with Alaska. So meh; not too worried to be honest.
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| February 14, 2011, 6:59 pm
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In Koaxiang China and the Tributary State of Indonesia:

-The remaining Indo-Union government has re-organized into a military junta (as I think Danny would have wanted it) with it's heads of state answering to the Emperor in Beijing. All foreign policy will be dictated by China, but otherwise, Indonesia will govern itself.
-Economic development is being encouraged an invested in this multi-island land, including agriculture, industry, and other such things.
-We'll take a lesson from Alenia and say there are no secret military projects going on in Qinghai and Gansu. None at all.
-The Tibet invasion goes on, with more conventional air support. The uppity peasants are poorly armed and coordinated, but they have spirit. The Dalai Lama has returned to the land, but he's of no concern as long as he stays peaceful like a good Buddhist.
-Koaxiang China officially reinforces the claims to the areas the previous government had, including Aksai Chin, South Tibet, the Scarborough Shoal, the Paracel Islands, and the Spratly Islands. Also, the Koaxiang government is willing to back up Indonesian claims. Problem?
-An influential American expatriate has negotiated an arms and manufacturing deal with some friends on the other side... Of the Pacific, that is. With agreement from the PCU, we'll keep the details hidden.
-All captured land has been formally integrated back into the nation, with great steps taken to dislodge the remnants of Communism. Trading monopolies are being looked into by certain high-ranking government "officials."

That's all for now folks!
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| February 14, 2011, 7:07 pm
I typed this out earlier, Sean deleted it.

In foreign news, a detachment of diplomats left the Wolf's Den to Senegal to secure a plot of land for an Air Force Base, preferably next to the ocean so we can dock our Navy there at one point. To quell their fears, we are offering to train their military in the ways of Western tactics and update their stores of weapons and vehicles to combat the local militias. The Senegal Air Force will also be updated with newer craft like the F-18 and F-15 and they will be allowed to land at the Air Force Base and operate out of it. Hopefully this will lead to increased trade with Senegal.

In Java, three unarmed cargo ships carrying some White Ops will hire some natives to rebuild the nation.

The HGS Pacifica was adorned with a Battle Star today for its role in the Defense of San Diego, along with the submarines that chased down the submarines that caused the wrecking of Portland. Now it sails for China, were it will commence an air show for the newly unified Chinese public at three areas: Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Tianjin. Another stop is not being announced, due to increasing concerns that the Emperor and the Admiral will be attacked. They will meet and converse over some matters including the trading of MT-1 production rights for the Valkyrie production rights.

In National news, the few remaining buildings of Portland will be bulldozed down this week and built on top off. New Portland, as it is being called, will be the jewel of the North Pacific. All government buildings are to be built like an 1800s Plantation, but updated to have steel beams, MANPADs, and various other defense mechanisms built into them to keep those pesky missiles off our lawns. Flak Towers will be rebuilt, and they will be rearmed with SAMs along with Air-to-Ground Missiles for the worst case scenarios.

CSAR Missions have been run into the old battlefields the past two days, securing vital equipment that can't be allowed to fall into enemy hands. Any wrecks of PCU vehicles found anywhere will be secured and hauled away. Rescued men and women of the PCU will be sent immediately to PCU hospitals.

Factories are springing up literally all over the country, hiring displaced citizens and regular ones alike to build the new fighter planes and tanks for the PCU Military, which took a heavy hit in the Second Civil War.

Airports are being built at the top priority. Our air force cannot be hampered in such a way ever again.
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| February 14, 2011, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Let's just say that Alaska would side with me, to be sure.

Never said otherwise. However, I see no reason to quarrel when my beef is with another continent. The only reason I'm provoking measures with Australia is because it has an entire continent and then some to deal with. To venture into military imperialism within the confines of Africa is ridiculous granted the Commonwealth of Aussieland is fairly homogeneous in practice and can thoroughly negotiate trade, defense, and peace treaties with foreign nations with ease rather than calling a whole separate people to arms. This isn't a "I'm picking on some random nation because it wants to expand" type of thing, rather I'm attempting to stop mass colonialism that has happened in the previous two groups. Repetition makes things boring and this group is also focusing on realism a tad more. The latter means geopolitical negotiation in the form of talks is deemed more acceptable than armed conflict with countries that have minimalistic defense expenditures mostly focusing on common defense instead of offense. The present administrative body has expressed the want for more creative domestic programs that solve resource issues over mass land grabs.
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| February 14, 2011, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Never said otherwise. However, I see no reason to quarrel when my beef is with another continent.

Just saying I like you, I don't want war. So don't get in too deep here.
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| February 14, 2011, 7:33 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Just saying I like you, I don't want war. So don't get in too deep here.

The feeling is mutual then.

/situationavoided
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| February 14, 2011, 7:38 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
...All government buildings are to be built like an 1800s Plantation, but updated to have steel beams, MANPADs, and various other defense mechanisms built into them to keep those pesky missiles off our lawns. Flak Towers will be rebuilt, and they will be rearmed with SAMs along with Air-to-Ground Missiles for the worst case scenarios...

So you're going to have post offices that could fight off assault helicopters? Sounds expensive.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
-The Tibet invasion goes on, with more conventional air support. The uppity peasants are poorly armed and coordinated, but they have spirit. The Dalai Lama has returned to the land, but he's of no concern as long as he stays peaceful like a good Buddhist.

I distinctly recall him mentioning at one point that if someone's attacking you with a gun, it's only reasonable to shoot back with one of your own.


On things that don't exist: we don't have any secret underground army bases, they are not numbered Schrodingers 1 through 15, and they are not impenetrable fortresses.
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| February 14, 2011, 7:54 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I distinctly recall him mentioning at one point that if someone's attacking you with a gun, it's only reasonable to shoot back with one of your own.


Of course. That's why we're taking them seriously. And they better take us seriously... I don't play no terrorism.
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| February 14, 2011, 7:58 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Brendan Dore
Quoting Nick Shelton
MANPADs

Can you think of a better acronym for that?


He shouldn't have to change it because one person is too immature to think of it in the official way.

I don't have anything against you at all, but in all seriousness, in one of these groups the same thing came up and the fact that people cant even use common acronyms because of a vague reference always irked me.

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| February 14, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Can you think of a better acronym for that?

MAN Portable Air Defense System?
There's nothing wrong with it unless you've got your mind deep in the sewer system.
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| February 14, 2011, 8:21 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Yeah no. Stay out of Africa before I have to use force.

Wait, do you already control Ivory Coast?
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| February 14, 2011, 8:35 pm
El Presidente welcomes Egypt's new ruler. As you may or may not know, you have a large ammount of our M908A4 MBTs, along with production rights to my F-42 Dominador figher, and we would like to work out some sort of defensive pact. FM me.
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| February 14, 2011, 9:17 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
and we would like to work out some sort of defensive pact. FM me.

Cuba & Egypt?
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| February 14, 2011, 9:26 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ultramarine .
Cuba & Egypt?


This is the sort of thing that is reflected by the fitting group music...
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| February 14, 2011, 9:28 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Matt Hacker

This is the sort of thing that is reflected by the fitting group music...


I LOVE IT.
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| February 14, 2011, 9:33 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Matt Hacker

This is the sort of thing that is reflected by the fitting group music...

What's the theme song?
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| February 14, 2011, 9:33 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ultramarine .
What's the theme song?


I Am Glad, Cause I'm Finally Returning Back Home
by Eduard Kihl.
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| February 14, 2011, 9:35 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Matt Hacker

I Am Glad, Cause I'm Finally Returning Back Home
by Eduard Kihl.

I see...

That was only slightly disturbing.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:11 pm
Quoting Matt P
Wait, do you already control Ivory Coast?


No, it's just that we don't want any imperialism here.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:21 pm
Quoting -> avalella
El Presidente welcomes Egypt's new ruler. As you may or may not know, you have a large ammount of our M908A4 MBTs, along with production rights to my F-42 Dominador figher, and we would like to work out some sort of defensive pact. FM me.

Awesome :D

And for some reason I don't know what your Flickr is. Either you changed your Flickr name or something like that. So please FM me first or give me your Flickr name.

Thanks so much for the military equipment :3 We'll have to let you in on something in return.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I see...

That was only slightly disturbing.

Trololololol...

<.<

>.>
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| February 14, 2011, 10:30 pm
The civilians have taken a vote, and the airspace is being closed to outside military aircraft until March 15th, unless you have written consent from yours truly.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:30 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ultramarine .
I see...

That was only slightly disturbing.


Its mostly because this group has failed in its original intent since nobody actually bothered with the goal, so this group is pretty much just a farce.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Its mostly because this group has failed in its original intent since nobody actually bothered with the goal, so this group is pretty much just a farce.


Hey, I tried.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:32 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Its mostly because this group has failed in its original intent since nobody actually bothered with the goal, so this group is pretty much just a farce.

ZOMG! The truth is evident! I REJOICE! :P
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| February 14, 2011, 10:35 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
ZOMG! The truth is evident! I REJOICE! :P


You made it even more of a farce when you tried to launch an invasion within hours of taking a country.

@ Awe, I think you've been doing a good job in terms of what we had in mind.

Obviously it will go on, but at the moment, there is really nothing do distinguish it from the prior 2 groups, which means that Evan, Erik, Jake (C) and I have failed in our goal.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Someplace, in the Western Confederation...

The Guatemalans have renewed the conflict in Belize, their northern incursion has been done so ahead of schedule when it was observed by WC satellites that the Belize Army was attempting a general withdrawal. Trapping them between the northern force and the general advance should bring them to the negotiating table.

Two armor factories have been built in Guatemala, they will produce the M45, M89, and the new M90 MBT. Building on all ships continues. The scrap metal from the Brigand-class in Corpus Christi is to be torn down, that that is still unbent will be stacked, all others will be melted down. It should resume construction in a couple weeks.

The Pacific fleet arrived off Midway today, and immediately set about re-garrisoning the island. SAM batteries and 40mm mounts once again gleam in the sun, and the WC banner waves proudly from the post. The command center has been raised by the attack, thankfully the SAC commander escaped with his life, and was flown out via helicopter from the Denver as she passed on her way elsewhere. He was devastated at the state of his old command, but immediately set about cleaning up with the marines. Someone unknown has inscribed the words "Never again" on the garrison's flagstaff.

Clean up and medical aid continues in Denver, thanks to the complete unfamiliarity with the city, the terrorists carried out a completely uncoordinated attack that, while devastating, was nowhere near as bad as it could have been. We are proud of the citizens, though blocks of their city were set ablaze, there were no mass-stampedes out of the city in panic-stricken mobs. Those that did leave were thoroughly searched by DPD and SWAT units on the way out. All routes are being watched, by land and air. We will find and apprehend them, no shooting on sight; we have special plans for them. Oh, we do indeed.

Quoting Matt Hacker

Its mostly because this group has failed in its original intent since nobody actually bothered with the goal, so this group is pretty much just a farce.

Build an empire, conquer the world. I'm pretty sure that was the goal...
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| February 14, 2011, 10:49 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

You made it even more of a farce when you tried to launch an invasion within hours of taking a country.

@ Awe, I think you've been doing a good job in terms of what we had in mind.

Obviously it will go on, but at the moment, there is really nothing do distinguish it from the prior 2 groups, which means that Evan, Erik, Jake (C) and I have failed in our goal.

Yep, proud of it, too. :D At some point in time, everyone is going to have to realize that you can't make one of these groups even remotely realistic unless you control it like school server.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:51 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ultramarine .
Build an empire, conquer the world. I'm pretty sure that was the goal...


While focusing on realism and PvP battle. The PvP part worked out well, but as for the realism... yeah, its not happening, neither politically, militarily, or economically.

@ Cliffe. Wow, aren't you a little troll after your failed group.
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| February 14, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

While focusing on realism and PvP battle. The PvP part worked out well, but as for the realism... yeah, its not happening, neither politically, militarily, or economically.


It seems that everyone here is enjoying themselves, to me. If you don't want anything you don't want, you kinda have to speak up. No one has really gone against what the admins have said, and if I don't say so myself, this group seems to be prospering. Quite being a negative nancy and play the game. Remember when this group was more realistic (late december) and you said that you were getting bored with it? I don't see any problems here, but if you do, then you have to say something. We can't all read your minds and be able to make it perfect for the admins (who, by the way, don't even participate that much). I really think this group is progressing fine...
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| February 14, 2011, 11:01 pm
Today in Brazil...

Defences in Okinawa, Samoa, and Johnston have been bolstered, including new State-of-the Art SAMs, MG Nests, bunkers, and many beach defences. This is just a safety precaution.

Su-51 Production Rights were bought a few weeks ago and a squadron has been completed. Speaking of Aircraft, the F-33N (Navy) has been completed and will serve on our Brasilia Class Carrier, along with one that has been slated for production.

The Brazilian Marines and Army will undergo a D-Day type exersize some time this week. T-1A1 Osrios have been made the primary tank of Brazil, but we would like to purchase 3 Wolverine IFVs from Cuba to test and possibly fill the gap in our armored divisions.

Recruiting has been upped and a new Army School has opened in Caracas. An Air Force Academy has opened in Sao Paulo.
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| February 14, 2011, 11:10 pm
 Group admin 
I might as well update my nation.

The two long debated additional destroyers have finally been allowed to start construction, however one will be laid down a week before the other in case one gets cancelled due to budgetary restraints. However, there are rumors floating that a 3rd fleet should be made, focusing around an Aircraft carrier, however, military officials are denying this report stating that if they didn't have the money for a new destroyer, there is no way there is money for a new fleet.

After a week of retooling factories, production of F-27 aircraft has commenced, with about 200 on order to replace all fighter aircraft currently in our inventory.

Additional materials are being requositioned to continue production of the soon to be finalized IFV and Attack Helicopter. The MAV-23 prototypes will begin construction shortly.

On the civilian side, infrastructure update programs are at about 50% completion after around two months. Nokia's 7G network has been well received by consumers, who have praised it for blistering fast speeds and unparalleled connectivity, also, dropped calls are almsot the thing of the past. As a result, Nokia announced a large revitalization of the company, allowing the Finnish company to rally at the stock market. An international release is slated for Wednesday, February 16.

Our Greenlandic air base is now open.


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| February 14, 2011, 11:21 pm
Isn't there some copyright thing that stops everyone from producing other people's creations?

Nick, I don't want you to have production rights to my Valkyrie, and I don't think it's fair for Awe to give you the production rights to something I created, just because Awe himself has production rights to it. Why am i saying this? Because I intend to rejoin this group, probably soon, as another country, and when I do, the Valkyrie will have been created by that country.

If you wish to produce my creations, ask me, not someone else.

Am I being unreasonable here Awe?
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| February 14, 2011, 11:38 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
While focusing on realism and PvP battle. The PvP part worked out well, but as for the realism... yeah, its not happening, neither politically, militarily, or economically.

I thought I was doing a pretty good job, so far.

Anyway, these new Nokia phones of yours.. how are they for covert communications? Can they be fitted with encryption devices? Can they be piggybacked on an enemy nation's cell phone network?

Also: I never got a conclusive answer on this.
Is it possible to assassinate the leader of a player controlled country? What effect would it have?


Quoting Danny Morgan
Nick, I don't want you to have production rights to my Valkyrie, and I don't think it's fair for Awe to give you the production rights to something I created, just because Awe himself has production rights to it. Why am i saying this? Because I intend to rejoin this group, probably soon, as another country, and when I do, the Valkyrie will have been created by that country.

That makes no sense at all. What's so wrong with Indonesia that you feel a need to dump it?


Anyway, as for production rights, we've gifted some of those to our friends in China, along with a few examples of the base design and a plentiful supply of ammunition, in thanks for their helpfulness to their poor landlocked neighbor.
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| February 15, 2011, 12:08 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Isn't there some copyright thing that stops everyone from producing other people's creations?

Nick, I don't want you to have production rights to my Valkyrie, and I don't think it's fair for Awe to give you the production rights to something I created, just because Awe himself has production rights to it. Why am i saying this? Because I intend to rejoin this group, probably soon, as another country, and when I do, the Valkyrie will have been created by that country.

If you wish to produce my creations, ask me, not someone else.

Am I being unreasonable here Awe?


Not at all. I'd be saying the exact same thing. However, Nick wanted Valkyrie production rights so I could get MT-1 production rights. It's not like Nick is going to go spreading them around.

But wait, that's right, he did betray you (from your point of view). Hmm...


Quoting Areetsa C
Anyway, as for production rights, we've gifted some of those to our friends in China, along with a few examples of the base design and a plentiful supply of ammunition, in thanks for their helpfulness to their poor landlocked neighbor.


And for that, we are thankful.
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| February 15, 2011, 12:25 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Danny Morgan
Nick, I don't want you to have production rights to my Valkyrie, and I don't think it's fair for Awe to give you the production rights to something I created, just because Awe himself has production rights to it. Why am i saying this? Because I intend to rejoin this group, probably soon, as another country, and when I do, the Valkyrie will have been created by that country.

That makes no sense at all. What's so wrong with Indonesia that you feel a need to dump it?


Anyway, as for production rights, we've gifted some of those to our friends in China, along with a few examples of the base design and a plentiful supply of ammunition, in thanks for their helpfulness to their poor landlocked neighbor.

I gave the production rights to the Valkyrie to Awe as a gift, but I don't want Americans (Nick) mass producing my Valkyrie, because next thing you know the whole world will have the best ground support available to them, and countries like Awe, and me (whichever country I choose) and possibly even you Areetsa, (if I can trust you not to go giving production rights of mine to everyone) won't have any air-to-ground advantage over other nations. I just don't want the Valkyrie to become the b---h of the world, if you know what I mean.

As for me d--ping ol' Indo Union:
I found it an--ying how people kept claiming I couldn't build up my nation as well as I wanted to because of present day Indonesia having a t--rible economy.

Also, everyone was about to target Indonesia because they thought the whole civil war in America was my fault some how, so those two factor combined made up my mind to start afresh.

Here are some of the nations I have in mind. Please feel free to object to them if they conflict with you somehow:

Ukraine.
Uzbekistan.
Turkey/Syria.
Romania.

Etc.
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| February 15, 2011, 12:31 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
I gave the production rights to the Valkyrie to Awe as a gift, but I don't want Americans (Nick) mass producing my Valkyrie, because next thing you know the whole world will have the best ground support available to them, and countries like Awe, and me (whichever country I choose) and possibly even you Areetsa, (if I can trust you not to go giving production rights of mine to everyone) won't have any air-to-ground advantage over other nations. I just don't want the Valkyrie to become the b---h of the world, if you know what I mean.

As for me d--ping ol' Indo Union:
I found it an--ying how people kept claiming I couldn't build up my nation as well as I wanted to because of present day Indonesia having a t--rible economy.

Also, everyone was about to target Indonesia because they thought the whole civil war in America was my fault some how, so those two factor combined made up my mind to start afresh.

Here are some of the nations I have in mind. Please feel free to object to them if they conflict with you somehow:

Ukraine.
Uzbekistan.
Turkey/Syria.
Romania.

Etc.
Why do you assume that the Valkyrie is the best?

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| February 15, 2011, 12:53 am
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Danny Morgan
I gave the production rights to the Valkyrie to Awe as a gift, but I don't want Americans (Nick) mass producing my Valkyrie, because next thing you know the whole world will have the best ground support available to them, and countries like Awe, and me (whichever country I choose) and possibly even you Areetsa, (if I can trust you not to go giving production rights of mine to everyone) won't have any air-to-ground advantage over other nations. I just don't want the Valkyrie to become the b---h of the world, if you know what I mean.

As for me d--ping ol' Indo Union:
I found it an--ying how people kept claiming I couldn't build up my nation as well as I wanted to because of present day Indonesia having a t--rible economy.

Also, everyone was about to target Indonesia because they thought the whole civil war in America was my fault some how, so those two factor combined made up my mind to start afresh.

Here are some of the nations I have in mind. Please feel free to object to them if they conflict with you somehow:

Ukraine.
Uzbekistan.
Turkey/Syria.
Romania.

Etc.
Why do you assume that the Valkyrie is the best?

Because it has the most smilies for any ground support aircraft in the group.

Wait, scratch that, it has the most smilies for ANY aircraft in the group, closely followed by Jack's Blackfish which is two smilies behind the Valkyrie. I'm not bragging here, just proving you wrong by stating facts.
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| February 15, 2011, 1:09 am
Hey John (Dawn).

What have you got against me man?
Every one of my comments you have replied to in this group seem to be cr-tical, accusing, or lnsultlng. I don't know what I've done to off-nd you, but whatever it is, please just spit it out, because I'm not liking all this res-ntment and bitterness...
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| February 15, 2011, 3:01 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Hey John (Dawn).

What have you got against me man?
Every one of my comments you have replied to in this group seem to be cr-tical, accusing, or lnsultlng. I don't know what I've done to off-nd you, but whatever it is, please just spit it out, because I'm not liking all this res-ntment and bitterness...


I don't like your language, there are many other ways to word sentences that don't involve words that you need to censor.

Having the most smiley's on the pages doesn't mean much beyond that people go to your page and hit the 'like' button. Combat Mods decide who/what is best. And that changes between mods.

Because we are expected to do good, when the bad shows, it is emphasized.



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| February 15, 2011, 6:40 am
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If my stuff was in a bajillion groups, and I have been here longer than half a year, and gotten more exposure, I am willing to bet that I could get at least that amount for one of my vehicles. Again, I'm not bragging at all. The simple fact of the matter is that smileys is based on exposure. In fact, many creations in this group have 5/5 ratings, which means they are quality. Just because more people said that it was good, it doesnt mean that it is better.

And quality in terms of effectiveness is determined by a combat mod, who may or may not agree with your view.
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| February 15, 2011, 11:17 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Repairing Midway

For some reason it won't show your message when I go reply to it. Ah well, you know what I'm talkin' about.

Alaska would like to offer help re-building Midway's defenses in exchange for the right to build a small airstrip. My plan is to station a KC-135 tanker there, and have enough room to land a flight of fighters there to re-arm and refeul if needed. We could ship repair/construction vehicles and material as they're needed.
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| February 15, 2011, 4:28 pm
Yes, it's the cm's who decide what's best.

A sharpied clone can get four times as many smilies as your Valkryie, but that doesn't mean it'll do well in combat.
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| February 15, 2011, 4:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Rebuilding Midway...

Brazil would like to offer help in this project by helping with the Airstrip, like Jack and maybe add in buildings such as ATC and Hangars.

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| February 15, 2011, 4:45 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan

You need to grow a thicker skin. I'm not going to (insert word for woman) out your ground support VTOLs, only use them to defend my own medium lift transport VTOLs! I totally understand where you are coming from, look at Awe's response to the HAT-1s.
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| February 15, 2011, 5:18 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Danny Morgan

You need to grow a thicker skin. I'm not going to (insert word for woman) out your ground support VTOLs, only use them to defend my own medium lift transport VTOLs! I totally understand where you are coming from, look at Awe's response to the HAT-1s.

Ya know, you could just use A-10s or helicopters like everyone else. I'll have a VTOL up shortly too that you may be able to buy in limited quantity too. It's like a UAH-1 x 10. (It's piloted)
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| February 15, 2011, 6:39 pm
Quoting -> avalella
It seems that everyone here is enjoying themselves, to me. If you don't want anything you don't want, you kinda have to speak up. No one has really gone against what the admins have said, and if I don't say so myself, this group seems to be prospering. Quite being a negative nancy and play the game. Remember when this group was more realistic (late december) and you said that you were getting bored with it? I don't see any problems here, but if you do, then you have to say something. We can't all read your minds and be able to make it perfect for the admins (who, by the way, don't even participate that much). I really think this group is progressing fine...

I agree, there's much less empires, something that is very different from the old group.
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| February 15, 2011, 7:03 pm
Research of the XF-302 project will now be called the F-302. The project so far is coming along very well, and with the analysis that our researchers have given us, it is very likely that production will start by Friday.

With this new fighter project rolling along very smoothly, our Longbow Extreme Long Distance Missile system R/D will be hastened so that they can be implamented together. So far, tests of the missile is very promising.

We would also like to announce that BP will be attempting to purchase the rights to drill and possibly even own two major oil fields in Nigeria. This would be very beneficial to the region, because it would not only be bringing stability, but also decent paying jobs.

The poduction of 2 Recluse-Class Cruisers and 2 Centaur-Class Destroyers have een completed. They will go through imediate testing and sea trials, and hopefully by the end of the week they will begin to serve in the Royal Navy.

In Jamaica and The British Virgin Islands, the construction of advanced radar stations, AA emplacements, shipyards, new military facilities, airfields, and new naval bases has been completed. TBVI will be the command center of all military operations in the Carribean Region, and will also serve as the headquarters to The Royal Navy's new second fleet. This fleet will operate to defend our interests in the Carribean Seas, and will also aid in humanitarian activities in our territories as well.

Finally we would also like to forth Spains motion protest against Australia's attempt to conquer distant lands in Africa. We are very much outraged by this clear act of imperialism, and will ask Australia to not go through with its plans. We would also like to warn Australia that any sort of invasion would warrant military action.
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| February 15, 2011, 9:31 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I agree, there's much less empires, something that is very different from the old group.

Yo, you get my most recent Flickr mail?
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| February 15, 2011, 9:36 pm
Senegal has agreed to our terms, with a decent airfield capable of holding up to four squadrons of our planes and two of theirs being built near the sea, with docks for two aircraft carriers, three submarines, and 15 various other crafts such as Frigates.
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| February 15, 2011, 9:43 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yo, you get my most recent Flickr mail?

the one about the vehicles?
if so yes. I haven't got anything today though.
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| February 15, 2011, 9:47 pm
Negotiations have begun with our long-time trade partner and ally, Saudi Arabia (Yes, Brazil and SA are actually trade partners in Real Life).

Our plans to build a Next-Gen Multirole Cruise Missile has been sped up, following the Navy's new interest on them. The F-33 has been accepted as the main Naval Strike Fighter, while the F-35I will serve as the dogfighter and Interceptor on carriers.

Two-hundred (one Tank Division) T-1A1s have been moved to Okinawa, to fortify defences in an unstable part of the world.
Su-51 production along with F-35I production has been heightened.

Quoting Tom Neumo

Check FM
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| February 15, 2011, 9:54 pm
Quoting Jake H.
the one about the vehicles?
if so yes. I haven't got anything today though.

Awesome. That's the one. Haven't heard back on that though... >.> lulz.
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| February 15, 2011, 10:14 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

Also: I never got a conclusive answer on this.
Is it possible to assassinate the leader of a player controlled country? What effect would it have?

If you're insinuating me, which I'm sure you are, the WC is ruled by a military democracy which is headed by a General's Council of 5-50 (I'll keep you guessing), so yeah, getting one of them won't get you anywhere. We'll bury the dead, and promote another one.

For the record, find out where the council meets (Tom knows) first, and then try to get at them.

Quoting Jack Ford

Indeed! Read below...

Quoting Brikkr
Brazil would like to offer help in this project by helping with the Airstrip, like Jack and maybe add in buildings such as ATC and Hangars.

Well, before I was so rudely interrupted, I intended to nearly double the size of the island artificially to allow for a large anchorage and three times the planes.

You're welcome to help with construction and garrison as you wish.
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| February 15, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Well, before I was so rudely interrupted, I intended to nearly double the size of the island artificially to allow for a large anchorage and three times the planes.

You're welcome to help with construction and garrison as you wish.

Well, I quadrupled the size of Johnston, so Midway mustn't be too much harder.
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| February 15, 2011, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I do?

I thought so. If not, all the better!

Quoting Tom N.
You might want to check Google maps first. The existing airfield already takes up a good amount of space there.

That's why I mentioned artificially expand it. I went into detail a few months back about it. It will be made with concrete and steel pilings, enough to support aircraft and moor ships.
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| February 15, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Since behind the scenes we have decided to enforce realism a bit more...

Its a no brainer in terms of tiny island airbase expansion. You can only make the base as big as the usable area of an island (plus a realistic amount of artificial expansion[but no one could ever, say double the size of an island]), so don't go about tripling the size if the base already takes up 75% of the island XD

Not saying that anyone would, but in general, just be aware of limitations of a locale.
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| February 15, 2011, 10:54 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Trials of the new M90 'Yankee' started today (recall I announced the project nearly a month ago). Now with the luxuries of Iron Fist, it is easy for the average WC tanker to grow lax. However, crews are being trained vigorously not to rely on the 'luxuries' of modern technology. The details of the new tank are classified, but our intimate knowledge of the HAT-1 has contributed greatly to the project as a whole.

The Belize army, during its attempt to retreat to the north, found itself entrapped suddenly by the northern force of the Guatemalan army. Taking up defenses, the Guatemalans sent their terms to the Belize government, taking advantage of the situation.

The concrete is still drying on the main runway after a hard day's work on the island. The SAC commander is showing true leadership by pitching right in and pushing shovels, laying cement, and pushing aside metal scrap heaps.

Other news as it develops... hehehehe

Quoting Matt Hacker

Did you look at the island? It's got so much coral in the area. You could practically just cover the coral and have enough for what I'm talking about.
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| February 15, 2011, 11:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Matt Hacker

Did you look at the island? It's got so much coral in the area. You could practically just cover the coral and have enough for what I'm talking about.

>:O

The Indo Union strongly disapproves of the possible destruction/compromising of coral in Midway. Oh yeah I'm not Indonesia anymore <.<
on that note, I'd like to know (from the Admins) if I could take Uzbekistan (first choice) or Ukraine as my new nation? As soon as I rejoin the game I'll post a new micro scale fighter I made.

@John Dawn

Thanks for leveling with me, I was quite baffled to be honest. I admit, I still am, a bit: you seem to have no problem with Finn swearing more excessively than me, even in his most recent MOC he swore about Brendan, and I believe he told me to "F[_]CK OFF", and Jake too has called me normally censored names... Also, nearly everyone swears on Flickr, so I don't really see why you are singling me out. There must be another more valid reason for your apparent dislike of me.

Also, about the smiley thing, I generally find that my best creations tend to have the most smilies, and it's not even like the Valkyrie has been on for years and years.
I think it's fair to say that (excluding sharpies and the like) creations with a decent amount of smilies tend to be decent themselves. If it's a good creation, it will get noticed, and in turn will gather quite a few smilies. It may not be totally accurate, but in general, the more people a creation appeals to, the more people will comment on it.

@ Nick.
Hmmm.
Well, if I were to consent to Awe giving you production rights to my Valkyrie, I think it's only fair that you in turn give me production rights to the Hood MT1 as well as Awe, and we'd both have to promise each other that we will never give out production rights to each others creations without the consent of the other person...

This seems reasonable to me...
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| February 16, 2011, 12:20 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
but our intimate knowledge of the HAT-1 has contributed greatly to the project as a whole.


And where did you glean this intimate knowledge, pray tell?

@Danny: That's reasonable.
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| February 16, 2011, 12:35 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And where did you glean this intimate knowledge, pray tell?

Going through the battlefield remnants, probably. Nick said there'd be trouble if he towed anything off, he didn't say anything about close inspections.

Quoting Ultramarine .

Not you, I'm just wondering, because I asked once in the previous group and never got an answer.

Quoting Danny Morgan
>:O

The Indo Union strongly disapproves of the possible destruction/compromising of coral in Midway. Oh yeah I'm not Indonesia anymore <.<
on that note, I'd like to know (from the Admins) if I could take Uzbekistan (first choice) or Ukraine as my new nation? As soon as I rejoin the game I'll post a new micro scale fighter I made.

Uzbekistan is right in the Alenian just-in-case-we-ever-run-out-of-resources borrowing zone.
Just sayin'.
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| February 16, 2011, 12:42 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Going through the battlefield remnants, probably. Nick said there'd be trouble if he towed anything off, he didn't say anything about close inspections.

Quoting Ultramarine .

Not you, I'm just wondering, because I asked once in the previous group and never got an answer.

Quoting Danny Morgan
>:O

The Indo Union strongly disapproves of the possible destruction/compromising of coral in Midway. Oh yeah I'm not Indonesia anymore <.<
on that note, I'd like to know (from the Admins) if I could take Uzbekistan (first choice) or Ukraine as my new nation? As soon as I rejoin the game I'll post a new micro scale fighter I made.

Uzbekistan is right in the Alenian just-in-case-we-ever-run-out-of-resources borrowing zone.
Just sayin'.

Well I'd be willing to lend/give you resources if you run out.
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| February 16, 2011, 12:48 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Well I'd be willing to lend/give you resources if you run out.

Well, here's the thing, by "resources" I mean either, depending on the situation, money or suitcase nukes. And by "run out" I mean "get in a situation where they could be handy to have in the near future". And by "resource collection", I mean "state sponsored bank robbers".

I'm not really likely to ever bother with all that, but yeah, if I ever do, the 'stans down South are the prime targets.
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| February 16, 2011, 12:54 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Going through the battlefield remnants, probably. Nick said there'd be trouble if he towed anything off, he didn't say anything about close inspections.


Well, I doubt he'll be able to name of all the facts about them. There's some things no one but we at OAAE know...
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| February 16, 2011, 1:13 am
Quoting Matt Hacker
Since behind the scenes we have decided to enforce realism a bit more...

Its a no brainer in terms of tiny island airbase expansion. You can only make the base as big as the usable area of an island (plus a realistic amount of artificial expansion[but no one could ever, say double the size of an island]), so don't go about tripling the size if the base already takes up 75% of the island XD

Not saying that anyone would, but in general, just be aware of limitations of a locale.

Why couldn't you? An artificial floating island is no big deal. They built them in WWII. You could realistically take small planes off, just nothing bigger than an F-22 probably, for safety precaution. You'd just have to build it on floating sealed air tanks secured to pilings. It wouldn't destroy hardly any coral or anything and would work just fine. It's just an enlarged harbor facility isn't it?
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| February 16, 2011, 11:50 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And where did you glean this intimate knowledge, pray tell?

Well, let's see:
1. I had them in my possession for a day or two before you went all "Ma stuffs too gud for any1 to has but me!"
2. I'm not unintelligent, my engineers measured, cataloged, and took armor, machine, and other material samples off of them.
3. I have a few engineers working around the clock on the designs and composition of the armor samples. Good luck finding them, your satellites can't see them...

Quoting Danny Morgan
>:O

The Indo Union strongly disapproves of the possible destruction/compromising of coral in Midway. Oh yeah I'm not Indonesia anymore <.<
on that note, I'd like to know (from the Admins) if I could take Uzbekistan (first choice) or Ukraine as my new nation? As soon as I rejoin the game I'll post a new micro scale fighter I made.

Sit down. Be quiet. Pray you don't annoy me further.
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| February 16, 2011, 12:44 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, let's see:
1. I had them in my possession for a day or two before you went all "Ma stuffs too gud for any1 to has but me!"
2. I'm not unintelligent, my engineers measured, cataloged, and took armor, machine, and other material samples off of them.
3. I have a few engineers working around the clock on the designs and composition of the armor samples. Good luck finding them, your satellites can't see them...


That's all I wanted to know. And my stuff is too good for you. In your hands, it'd be a dangerous weapon, one I'm not willing to face.
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| February 16, 2011, 1:12 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
That's all I wanted to know. And my stuff is too good for you. In your hands, it'd be a dangerous weapon, one I'm not willing to face.

Awe, the eternal aggressor. You know, from now on, I'll just keep my mouth shut and surprise you some day.
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| February 16, 2011, 2:05 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Awe, the eternal aggressor. You know, from now on, I'll just keep my mouth shut and surprise you some day.


Glad you learned from my homepage. Sinister, wicked, baffling, and aggressive!
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| February 16, 2011, 2:14 pm
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The Western Confederation wishes to inform the PCU that if Chinese bombers are allowed to land, refuel, base, or otherwise receive assistance from the PCU during or after an attack on the WC, it will consituite a direct act of aggression and will be prosecuted as such.

In other words, the USNA is enacting a "No Asians in America" policy and using the same bogus reason that Japan is using to attack Korea.
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| February 16, 2011, 3:09 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
@John Dawn

Thanks for leveling with me, I was quite baffled to be honest. I admit, I still am, a bit: you seem to have no problem with Finn swearing more excessively than me, even in his most recent MOC he swore about Brendan, and I believe he told me to "F[_]CK OFF", and Jake too has called me normally censored names... Also, nearly everyone swears on Flickr, so I don't really see why you are singling me out. There must be another more valid reason for your apparent dislike of me.
If my memory serves these were after you replied to them in an already condescending way. ie: "n0b" head, speak, etc.

Flickr is a completely different place with freedom of speech.

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| February 16, 2011, 3:46 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
on that note, I'd like to know (from the Admins) if I could take Uzbekistan (first choice) or Ukraine as my new nation?

The former works for us. Ukraine is presently in a civil uprising; and Evan and I plan to kill each other over Crimea. So yeah . . .

Quoting Areetsa C
Leadership assassination and the like.

Because players are essentially world leaders [presidents, dictators, etc.], I'd have to say no to killing them off. Feel free to kill governors, diplomats, and other officials though.
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| February 16, 2011, 4:05 pm
@Awe: I see a carpet bombing in the near future. Or secret black ops spying.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, let's see:
1. I had them in my possession for a day or two before you went all "Ma stuffs too gud for any1 to has but me!"
2. I'm not unintelligent, my engineers measured, cataloged, and took armor, machine, and other material samples off of them.
3. I have a few engineers working around the clock on the designs and composition of the armor samples. Good luck finding them, your satellites can't see them...

So you have pieces in your possession? Nick won't like that. The deal, IIRC, was Nick gets ALL his stuff back, you get all YOUR stuff back, and you both stop shooting at each other.

As for not finding them... I wouldn't discount Awe locating such things just yet. Awe's special forces haven't been seen yet, but they're probably very competent.
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| February 16, 2011, 4:35 pm
El Presidente "lolz" at the international copyright dilema. Caribbean Tech. would also like to insure the world that all of our equipment is fully patented, and no other country may produce our vehicles or munitions without negotiation. Said company is also recieving a large sum of money to expand their facilities, to keep up with large military orders for M908s and F-42s.
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| February 16, 2011, 4:40 pm
On copyrights: us in the totally free and not in any way oppressive Free Democratic People's Republican Federation of Alenia wish to point out that we don't care if you copy our equipment; we do, however, have a price for the right to do that. And if you don't pay that price BEFORE you start manufacturing our equipment, we blow up your parliament. We mean that. You'll never know when; one day it'll just be quietly sitting there making laws to restrict people's freedoms, and then boom. Not there anymore.
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| February 16, 2011, 5:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Western Confederation wishes to inform the PCU that if Chinese bombers are allowed to land, refuel, base, or otherwise receive assistance from the PCU during or after an attack on the WC, it will consituite a direct act of aggression and will be prosecuted as such.

In other words, the USNA is enacting a "No Asians in America" policy and using the same bogus reason that Japan is using to attack Korea.

I'll land Chinamen in my lands if I very well want to. You aren't the boss of me, stop acting like it!

It seems what some of the group members say about you is coming through.
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| February 16, 2011, 5:20 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
El Presidente "lolz" at the international copyright dilema. Caribbean Tech. would also like to insure the world that all of our equipment is fully patented, and no other country may produce our vehicles or munitions without negotiation.


You won't be laughing when it's your stuff being stolen, little man. See? Even you don't want your stuff being made without prior negotiation, the difference between you and I is that I've taken action, while you haven't had that chance yet.

In other news, China is installing tracking beacons on all of it's high-quality weaponry. Just in case.
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| February 16, 2011, 5:24 pm
All PCU equipment is going to be modified to have a self-destruct beacon somewhere inside of it. If they are to fall into the hands of another faction, all we have to do is press a button back in the Den and it can either be located and retrieved or destroyed if it isn't necessary. It will be enforced.

China is being given clearance to land in PCU territory, for they are our allies. If they need our help, we'll give them our help. Don't act like you wouldn't do the same!

Senegal's militia men fired potshots at the Diplomats leaving the country today aboard their C-27, prompting one diplomat to ask: "Is this the shape of things to come?" If it is, we all know what must be done.
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| February 16, 2011, 5:29 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
So you have pieces in your possession? Nick won't like that. The deal, IIRC, was Nick gets ALL his stuff back, you get all YOUR stuff back, and you both stop shooting at each other.

You're funny. Like I told Danny, critical reading skills help quite a bit on stuff like this. I'd like to see where you get your info, 'cause it certainly wasn't in any deals I made. He's still got my F-29, you know. To the holder, belong the spoils.


Quoting Arty
As for not finding them... I wouldn't discount Awe locating such things just yet. Awe's special forces haven't been seen yet, but they're probably very competent.

Oh? China has military operatives in my lands? I must see about this...

Quoting Nick Shelton
All PCU equipment is going to be modified to have a self-destruct beacon somewhere inside of it. If they are to fall into the hands of another faction, all we have to do is press a button back in the Den and it can either be located and retrieved or destroyed if it isn't necessary. It will be enforced.

Well, thank you for telling me. Now, all I have to do is find the right frequency...
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| February 16, 2011, 5:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh? China has military operatives in my lands? I must see about this...

Quoting Nick Shelton
All PCU equipment is going to be modified to have a self-destruct beacon somewhere inside of it. If they are to fall into the hands of another faction, all we have to do is press a button back in the Den and it can either be located and retrieved or destroyed if it isn't necessary. It will be enforced.

Well, thank you for telling me. Now, all I have to do is find the right frequency...

What keeps us from changing the frequency multiple times a day in peace time, or more than fifty times in war?
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| February 16, 2011, 6:00 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
>:O

The Indo Union strongly disapproves of the possible destruction/compromising of coral in Midway. Oh yeah I'm not Indonesia anymore <.<
on that note, I'd like to know (from the Admins) if I could take Uzbekistan (first choice) or Ukraine as my new nation? As soon as I rejoin the game I'll post a new micro scale fighter I made.

@John Dawn

Thanks for leveling with me, I was quite baffled to be honest. I admit, I still am, a bit: you seem to have no problem with Finn swearing more excessively than me, even in his most recent MOC he swore about Brendan, and I believe he told me to "F[_]CK OFF", and Jake too has called me normally censored names... Also, nearly everyone swears on Flickr, so I don't really see why you are singling me out. There must be another more valid reason for your apparent dislike of me.


Cause you like to add supiriour to everyone else.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:06 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
What keeps us from changing the frequency multiple times a day in peace time, or more than fifty times in war?

That's why we have computers that can cycle through the entire AM/FM-whatever else band fractions of seconds at a time. In other words: AWACS, civilian radio stations, broadcast satellites. That's why I don't do something like that, it's just too risky. I mean, if you want your entire army/air force disappearing before your enemy's eyes, that's up to you. Copyright laws aren't THAT important to me.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:11 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's why we have computers that can cycle through the entire AM/FM-whatever else band fractions of seconds at a time. In other words: AWACS, civilian radio stations, broadcast satellites. That's why I don't do something like that, it's just too risky. I mean, if you want your entire army/air force disappearing before your enemy's eyes, that's up to you. Copyright laws aren't THAT important to me.

They should be, because Old Hickory and Mantracker are my enforcers.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:12 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
They should be, because Old Hickory and Mantracker are my enforcers.

Some camping show guy and a beef j.er.ky brand are your whats?
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| February 16, 2011, 6:17 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Some camping show guy and a beef j.er.ky brand are your whats?


Double facepalm.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Some camping show guy and a beef j.er.ky brand are your whats?


Old Hickory=Andrew Jackson.
Mantracker=Mantracker.

Both will destroy you if you mess with our copyright.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Old Hickory=Andrew Jackson.
Mantracker=Mantracker.

Both will destroy you if you mess with our copyright.

I know who 'Old Hickory' is, was rather. I thought he was talking about something that could actually reach out and touch someone. Like a satellite or defense system or what not.

Kids and their heroes, oi.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:22 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I know who 'Old Hickory' is, was rather. I thought he was talking about something that could actually reach out and touch someone. Like a satellite or defense system or what not.

Kids and their heroes, oi.


Actually, Andrew Jackson is the patron saint of the Pacific Union. But we have other methods for physical attacks.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:38 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Lots of plans are being put on the table for consideration these days:
-New CAS aircraft to take over F-29 duties
-Large transport craft
-Other exotic weapons systems to baffle and bewilder, but above all, to terrify. Humanly, of course.

The WCHC has announced the reinstatement of the Geneva accords, since we are now on our feet enough not to stoop too lowly.

With international controversy swirling, development of the M90 goes forward. 5 prototypes are being evaluated in concealed areas, in an indoor (though well ventilated) facility. Each with different engines and armor compositions. The crews continue to be drilled extensively, and have been sent for rigorous one-week additional drilling. Their astounding tank aside, they will be the best tankers in the world. World debut will be Sunday, for all those interested. M89s will be upgraded with explosive-reactive armor, as will the 100 Leopard MBTs obtained recently.

Belize, finding itself in a bad situation that could only get worse with each passing day, has reluctantly decided to concede to Guatemala's terms. Unrest hit the streets immediately after the announcement, and select officers have decided to flatly refuse to surrender. There will be some long days ahead for Guatemala still.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Actually, Andrew Jackson is the patron saint of the Pacific Union. But we have other methods for physical attacks.

General Patton is the patron saint of the WC. He's better...

Jackson held off 10,000 British in a defensive battle, and maybe won a few indian battles here and there.

Patton steamrolled across Africa, Sicily, Germany, and would have taken Berlin before the Russians even crossed the border if Eisenhower hadn't put a choke-chain on him.
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| February 16, 2011, 6:48 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
General Patton is the patron saint of the WC. He's better...

Jackson held off 10,000 British in a defensive battle, and maybe won a few indian battles here and there.

Patton steamrolled across Africa, Sicily, Germany, and would have taken Berlin before the Russians even crossed the border if Eisenhower hadn't put a choke-chain on him.

Jackson regularly dueled behind the White House, and beat an assassin.

Patton died in a jeep like a noob.

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| February 16, 2011, 7:02 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
General Patton is the patron saint of the WC. He's better...

Jackson held off 10,000 British in a defensive battle, and maybe won a few indian battles here and there.

Patton steamrolled across Africa, Sicily, Germany, and would have taken Berlin before the Russians even crossed the border if Eisenhower hadn't put a choke-chain on him.


William Tecumseh Sherman: Role model of all Spanish generals.

Not only did he steam roll over Georgia, he literally steam rolled it.

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| February 16, 2011, 7:06 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

William Tecumseh Sherman: Role model of all Spanish generals.

Not only did he steam roll over Georgia, he literally steam rolled it.

Sherman was English in origin, we've been over this...

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| February 16, 2011, 7:07 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
China is being given clearance to land in PCU territory, for they are our allies. If they need our help, we'll give them our help. Don't act like you wouldn't do the same!

Not tellin' ya what to do, but I'mma say right now that allowing and directing Chinese bombers to bomb American countries while operating/refeuling out of the PCU constitutes aggression by my standards. We've agreed to a non-aggresion pact, let's keep it. I'm not suggesting banning Chinese war planes from using your facilities, but to me, a Chinese plane and a PCU plane make no difference. Allowing the Chinese to attack is equal to attacking with your own planes. Just sayin'
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| February 16, 2011, 7:12 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Sherman was English in origin, we've been over this...


Hey, I'm of Italian and German origin, and Genghis Khan is my role model. Inspiration doesn't conform to nationalities.
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| February 16, 2011, 7:15 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Not tellin' ya what to do, but I'mma say right now that allowing and directing Chinese bombers to bomb American countries while operating/refeuling out of the PCU constitutes aggression by my standards. We've agreed to a non-aggresion pact, let's keep it. I'm not suggesting banning Chinese war planes from using your facilities, but to me, a Chinese plane and a PCU plane make no difference. Allowing the Chinese to attack is equal to attacking with your own planes. Just sayin'

I see. Well still, I have no problem with China taking care of a PCU problem for me, that I can't take care of because I just don't have the resources at the moment.
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| February 16, 2011, 7:15 pm
Halseys my man
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| February 16, 2011, 7:26 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I see. Well still, I have no problem with China taking care of a PCU problem for me, that I can't take care of because I just don't have the resources at the moment.

So you don't follow your parents' advice of "Fight your own battles"? Thus meaning you're using Awe to "take care of a PCU problem"? Does that mean most of America is a "Problem?"
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| February 16, 2011, 7:43 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Try a destruct code. Change frequencies every couple of days (random intervals no less than 24 hours and no more than X weeks), with randomly generated codes. That way, first the enemy has to find the frequency, and then they have to find the code.

Quoting Thomas N
Is this the battle of the favorite senior officers?

Cliffe and I will be the only ones to say Erwin Rommel, won't we.

Nope.
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| February 16, 2011, 7:49 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Try a destruct code. Change frequencies every couple of days (random intervals no less than 24 hours and no more than X weeks), with randomly generated codes. That way, first the enemy has to find the frequency, and then they have to find the code.

I meant the code. Every two hours. >.>
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| February 16, 2011, 7:58 pm
Today in Brazil...

Training to the Su-51 has begun with our aces and pilots. Along with the F-35, this will comprise most of our stealth fighters.

A classified number of ships and subs have been bought from Tom. These ships and subs will form the bulk of the 1st and 2nd Carrier Task Forces. Speaking of Carriers, our second Brasilia class is nearing completion.
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| February 16, 2011, 8:03 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Is this the battle of the favorite senior officers?

Cliffe and I will be the only ones to say Erwin Rommel, won't we.


Rommel makes my list at #2. To me, no one can match what the Mongols did under Genghis Khan. Whooped their enemies so bad, Europeans flipped around the numbers to excuse their defeats.
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| February 16, 2011, 8:37 pm
Quoting Thomas N
And you apparently don't like to spell "superior".

Speaking of the word "superior", how do you add it to a person?


LOL, I was gonna say the same thing.

Quoting Thomas N
@Ultra.

I thought I told you you couldn't produce HAT-1s.

I said this because I didn't ant the flare-up that comes when you try to use something someone else built.

Speaking of which, I'd like to request a new rule:
You (as in anyone) are not allowed to produce someone else's creations without their consent.

I say this because Nick wants to mass produce my Valkyrie MKII without my consent or offering anything in return.
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| February 16, 2011, 8:50 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
>:O

The Indo Union strongly disapproves of the possible destruction/compromising of coral in Midway. Oh yeah I'm not Indonesia anymore <.<
on that note, I'd like to know (from the Admins) if I could take Uzbekistan (first choice) or Ukraine as my new nation? As soon as I rejoin the game I'll post a new micro scale fighter I made.

@John Dawn

Thanks for leveling with me, I was quite baffled to be honest. I admit, I still am, a bit: you seem to have no problem with Finn swearing more excessively than me, even in his most recent MOC he swore about Brendan, and I believe he told me to "F[_]CK OFF", and Jake too has called me normally censored names... Also, nearly everyone swears on Flickr, so I don't really see why you are singling me out. There must be another more valid reason for your apparent dislike of me.

Also, about the smiley thing, I generally find that my best creations tend to have the most smilies, and it's not even like the Valkyrie has been on for years and years.
I think it's fair to say that (excluding sharpies and the like) creations with a decent amount of smilies tend to be decent themselves. If it's a good creation, it will get noticed, and in turn will gather quite a few smilies. It may not be totally accurate, but in general, the more people a creation appeals to, the more people will comment on it.

@ Nick.
Hmmm.
Well, if I were to consent to Awe giving you production rights to my Valkyrie, I think it's only fair that you in turn give me production rights to the Hood MT1 as well as Awe, and we'd both have to promise each other that we will never give out production rights to each others creations without the consent of the other person...

This seems reasonable to me...

>.>
Everything I've said has been uncensored. I don't cuss.

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| February 16, 2011, 10:26 pm
Quoting Jake H.
>.>
Everything I've said has been uncensored. I don't cuss.

you don't remember calling me a Ba----d, among other things?
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| February 16, 2011, 10:28 pm
The production of the first Repulse-Class Battlecruiser has been completed, and currently it is being sent through sea trials. The production of another ship of the same class will begin shortly.

Our scientists have amazed us, and they completed research of the F-302 two days ahead of schedule. The aircraft will be produced by BAE in factories that are located in territories of The Commonwealth. Our military has ordered an initial batch of 300 for the RAF(replacing the F-35 Ds and Eurofighter Typhoons) and 300 for the Royal Navy (Replacing F-35 Cs). This will come directly out of defense budget, and we predict that it will take a total of 1 1/2 months (At our current production capabilities) to complete the order. To speed up the process even more, 5 aircraft manufacturing plants for BAS will be constructed in South Africa.
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| February 16, 2011, 10:30 pm
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The Internally Transportable Utility Vehicle has been finalized for production and the public model will be unveiled soon. We expect our rather moderate order to be completed within a rapid timeframe seeing as though it's nothing more than on up-armored minivan, more or less. Training exercises using the vehicles for rapid entrance, idling, and extraction for platoon-level tasks will begin as soon as the first batch is complete. The idea is just to boost our response rates with these small vehicles so mechanization is no longer left to medium and large vehicles alone.

Also, two more Su-51 squadrons [24 aircraft] have been completed and tried in the air. Three aircraft presently in our stocks [all aircraft, not just the new blocks] have unfortunately reported minor airframe fracturing. So, costly inspections will be done on all of the aircraft to make sure these are flukes and not manufacturing errors that may occur in the future en masse. With that aside, we hope to increase air training exercises in the Siberian Quarter as to test these exceptional birds within great environmental extremes. We're more than confident that they will report high marks.
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| February 16, 2011, 10:59 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

No affront intended. Let's just say I was a little burned, though, when you disregarded all of the defensive measures that I still had in place at the time. Forgive my impertinence.
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| February 16, 2011, 11:36 pm
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RIGHT! That's it! Who the HeII changed the theme music? Bring back Trolololo!

<.<

In China: The usual.
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| February 16, 2011, 11:36 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
RIGHT! That's it! Who the HeII changed the theme music? Bring back Trolololo!

<.<

In China: The usual.


It must've been those good for nothing minorities!
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| February 17, 2011, 12:06 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

It must've been those good for nothing minorities!

Wilhelm...
<.<
>.>
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| February 17, 2011, 12:08 am
Say, Ultra, what're the gun laws in your territory? Are you going with the Libertarian "anything you can afford" system, or the safer "police and military only" system?
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| February 17, 2011, 12:14 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Say, Ultra, what're the gun laws in your territory? Are you going with the Libertarian "anything you can afford" system, or the safer "police and military only" system?

Oh, anyone can buy. I'm not Libertarian, I'm Constitutionalist.

Of course we do background checks, and if you have no background (or birth certificate, like our President) then you "No can has!"

By the way, you've got 12 hours to cease and desist, or suffer the hugely multiplied consequences.

I don't believe in an "Eye-for-an-eye." 'Cause, as we all know, that makes the world blind. It can be completely avoided by gouging out both of your enemy's at the same time...
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| February 17, 2011, 12:24 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
By the way, you've got 12 hours to cease and desist, or suffer the hugely multiplied consequences.

Cease and desist what, exactly?
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| February 17, 2011, 12:32 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Cease and desist what, exactly?

I won't underestimate your intelligence level.
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| February 17, 2011, 12:33 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
I won't underestimate your intelligence level.

Well, I've got no idea what you're accusing me of. I'm not going to say there's no rogue elements within my territory (mainly left-over Isolationists) but to the best of my knowledge it's not us (or them) that're responsible for these latest events. Have you tried the Japanese?
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| February 17, 2011, 12:41 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, I've got no idea what you're accusing me of. I'm not going to say there's no rogue elements within my territory (mainly left-over Isolationists) but to the best of my knowledge it's not us (or them) that're responsible for these latest events. Have you tried the Japanese?

The Japanese think far too much of themselves to soil themselves needlessly. I doubt they would be so unintelligent. You'd think they'd know what I'm capable of. However, I have the bodies leftover, I will determine the nationality soon enough.

Oh, if it isn't you, I would definitely tell whoever it is to stop calling themselves 'terrorists' and stop making yourself look guilty constantly.
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| February 17, 2011, 12:44 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Japanese think far too much of themselves to soil themselves needlessly. I doubt they would be so unintelligent. You'd think they'd know what I'm capable of. However, I have the bodies leftover, I will determine the nationality soon enough.

Oh, if it isn't you, I would definitely tell whoever it is to stop calling themselves 'terrorists' and stop making yourself look guilty constantly.

Well, personally, I think it's Brikkr; think of it, if he can pull off something like this (and it wouldn't be too hard, once the Grey Veil disintegrated Alenians were emigrating to the four corners of the globe just because they could) he'd widen the gulf between America and Asia, which'd minimize the chances of outside intervention in American affairs. All he'd need to do then would be to arrange something with, say, the PCU or Jake, and conquer America piecemeal.
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| February 17, 2011, 12:51 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, personally, I think it's Brikkr; think of it, if he can pull off something like this (and it wouldn't be too hard, once the Grey Veil disintegrated Alenians were emigrating to the four corners of the globe just because they could) he'd widen the gulf between America and Asia, which'd minimize the chances of outside intervention in American affairs. All he'd need to do then would be to arrange something with, say, the PCU or Jake, and conquer America piecemeal.

Oh, indeed completely logical. Why didn't I think of that?! It makes so much sense now! There now exists a sate of war with Brazil!
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| February 17, 2011, 12:55 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh, indeed completely logical. Why didn't I think of that?! It makes so much sense now! There now exists a sate of war with Brazil!

Well, from a point of view, it makes sense.

Either that, or I'm responsible and I'm following the time honoured black ops tradition of "lying through my teeth", or I know who is and I'm helping him cover up. Take your pick. I mean, posting in the ICF right after suspicious happenings saying "Tom, did you get my message?" and things like that isn't very subtle behaviour.
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| February 17, 2011, 1:01 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, from a point of view, it makes sense.

Either that, or I'm responsible and I'm following the time honoured black ops tradition of "lying through my teeth", or I know who is and I'm helping him cover up. Take your pick. I mean, posting in the ICF right after suspicious happenings saying "Tom, did you get my message?" and things like that isn't very subtle behaviour.

Yeah...

I'll find out. Whoever it is left me a clue that I nearly overlooked.

I'm getting tired of this mess, can we have a new ICF, please?
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| February 17, 2011, 1:09 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah...

I'll find out. Whoever it is left me a clue that I nearly overlooked.

Chances are it's probably a plant.
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| February 17, 2011, 1:19 am
If anyone doesn't object, i'd like to start off my new country as Ukraine, and maybe expand a little tiny weeny bit to form a coalition of ex-soviet nations.

I'd like to be dark green as before too please.

Also, for reference purposes, here's my new long range fighter, the A7 Storm Hawk.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5452541416/
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| February 17, 2011, 2:08 am
Quoting people claiming in the terrorists

It's not me. I haven't sent in a CR to Tom since the Second American Civil War, you can even ask him.

And about the messaging, it was just bad timing on my part; if you check the Trading Board, you'll see that I bought some ships from Tom. That's why I said "Did you get my FM" to Tom.

If it ain't me then it's Areetsa, Awe, Ham, or Nick.
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| February 17, 2011, 7:25 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
If anyone doesn't object, i'd like to start off my new country as Ukraine.


Erik has already objected, and permitted you to take Uzbekistan.

As much as I hate to likely start a flame war... Hawaii has already released Obama's actual birth certificate and for extreme doubters you can buy a copy for $100. At this time there is no reason to object to the fact that he is a natural born American.

And Y'all bein' racist in the WC.
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| February 17, 2011, 8:26 am
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