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International Conversation Forum XIII
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Highlights:
-WWIII ended (?)
-Hinted Byzantine-Russian war
-lots of double posting (please EDIT YOUR COMMENTS)
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| February 17, 2011, 8:29 am
@ last ICF
I thought Areetsa didn't want me to take Uzbekistan? Well if it's ok, I'd like to start off with say Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, and see how things go from there...
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| February 17, 2011, 8:50 am
Quoting Glenn Beck
If you have no background (or birth certificate, like our President) then you "No can has!"

liez
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| February 17, 2011, 3:23 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The massive manhunts for the terrorists continue. The public opinion is swaying dangerously close to riots if the WCHC remains non-committal in their response. In fact, this is not true. Not wanting to use more of their strategic arsenal on the wrong targets, they have spent the past few days scrambling to find the true culprits in order to retaliate effectively.

The Guatemalans began a crackdown on all rebellious Belize military units that have refused to surrender. Not wanting to waste anymore men on the entrapped enemy, the GAF has been called on to bomb one after another of the isolated pockets into submission.

The warfactories in Guatemala have begun production on the M89 MBT. They will outfit their military with a total of 150 of this type.

A full wing of fighters flew down to Baja today to be stationed aboard the new carrier. Her crew has also arrived by plane. The WCS Denver, with heavy hearts about their namesake's attack, have made port in Guatemala to begin repairs. The Brigand-class is about 50% done there.
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| February 17, 2011, 3:26 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo

how long do you reckon it'll be until I get my ships, or are they already built?

$21 Billion has been wired to the Baltic Union for their ships.
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| February 17, 2011, 3:48 pm
I'll assure everyone that the PCU does not engage in state terrorism unless there is a reason for it.
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| February 17, 2011, 5:32 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Quoting Glenn Beck
If you have no background (or birth certificate, like our President) then you "No can has!"

liez

Avalella, Matt, don't bring politics into this. Last time you know what happened, and I don't like both of you angry. It leads to nothing good.
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| February 17, 2011, 6:14 pm
Quoting Will G.
Avalella, Matt, don't bring politics into this. Last time you know what happened, and I don't like both of you angry. It leads to nothing good.


Ultra was the one who said Obama wasn't a US citizen, and Matt said his birth certificate had been released by Hawaii.
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| February 17, 2011, 6:16 pm
The Republic of Alaska has decided to aid in the WC's counter-terrorism effort. All ships passing between Alaska and Hawaii will be momentarily boarded by the Alaska Coast Guard. This boarding will not require the vessel to stop, and is only a minor inconvenience. All passengers will be required to show valid passports, and their identities will be run through our CIO (Crime Investigation Operations)software to check for past legal offenses.

If the WC wishes, we can send several Coast Guard vessels to Midway, where they will continue the belt down to the extent of WC territory. This will prevent any likely terrorist from entering the WC via ship.

Alaska has completed a deal with Russia. Russia and Alaska will both be producing MiG-67 Mako fighters. These will fill any gaps in our airforce.
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| February 17, 2011, 6:23 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I'll assure everyone that the PCU does not engage in state terrorism unless there is a reason for it.

The lulz?
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| February 17, 2011, 6:54 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
The lulz?

That's a good reason.
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| February 17, 2011, 7:04 pm
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Today 1.5...

"White-Out" training, starting two days ago, is the advanced drilling that our newest tankers have been sent to for battlefield prowess and tactics should Iron Fist fail. Drilled to respond the same way an ancient warrior would have if his shield had been stripped away, not to run, but to engage with greater fierceness and rely on time-honored tanker's skills.

The veteran tankers might need refresher courses, we'll have to see if they become skittish under duress.

Quoting Areetsa C
The lulz?

I'm not a small thinker like you. I do bigger things for the 'lulz.' Like raise entire cities to the ground for the thrill of watching the explosion from satellite feed...
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| February 17, 2011, 7:45 pm
Due to aid of biblical proportions from the Socialist Union, plus the growth of many engineering, energy, and other industries in Egypt, our economy is skyrocketing. By next week, our economy might be as strong as Germany's.

>.>

That statement is going to be a flak magnet... isn't it...
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| February 17, 2011, 7:55 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
That statement is going to be a flak magnet... isn't it...

Wait for it...
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| February 17, 2011, 8:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Wait for it...

lulz :D
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| February 17, 2011, 8:02 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
That statement is going to be a flak magnet... isn't it...


Yes, it will.

Quoting Ultramarine .
"White-Out"


Haters gonna hate on PCU White supremacy.
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| February 17, 2011, 8:02 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm not a small thinker like you. I do bigger things for the 'lulz.' Like raise entire cities to the ground for the thrill of watching the explosion from satellite feed...

I believe the word you're looking for is "raze".

Ah, but how would you know how much thinking I do? For all you know, I orchestrated the whole Pacific "War" from behind the scenes to fit my evil goals (insert laugh) and I've got mutual protection pacts with half the group.
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| February 17, 2011, 8:13 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
I believe the word you're looking for is "raze".

Ah, but how would you know how much thinking I do? For all you know, I orchestrated the whole Pacific "War" from behind the scenes to fit my evil goals (insert laugh) and I've got mutual protection pacts with half the group.

Actually, someone else did that, but I'm not telling who.

/trollface
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| February 17, 2011, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
For the record, you need to be a naturalized citizen to be President.

That's not quite true. Otherwise, Arnold Schwarzenegger could run. What is on the White House website is a Certificate of Live Birth, which isn't the same. It legally serves as a Birth Certificate, yes, but cannot be used to define a person's birth country.

It's complicated, but he was more than just not born here, an Indonesian man adopted him and with his mother, he moved there and went to school. At the time, you could only attend Indonesian schools if you were an Indonesian citizen. For the record, you could not be a dual-citizen, Indonesian only. Adding to that, he traveled abroad for years on an Indonesian passport (as he openly admitted in his own words in one of his books, "My Father's Something"), and he couldn't be a dual-citizen for that either.

For McCain, military bases are considered US territory for those purposes. I have a cousin who was born on an Army base in Germany, she's a full US citizen anyway.

Alas, that went further than I intended. I should remember the audience around here. Now we're going to go through a huge, long debate about this without anyone being able to stop it...

Quoting Areetsa C
I believe the word you're looking for is "raze".

Mozilla didn't like that word for some reason... Spelt wrong probably. Oi, I need more sleep.
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| February 17, 2011, 8:33 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Does anyone else see how impossible this claim is?

Undoubtedly, especially since Egypt has taken as sudden swing toward the extreme side of a religion that he claims to have eradicated last time...

That and such an expansive economy this quickly would create vast 'bubbles' and feelings of false prosperity that, if not handled properly, could send him plummeting further than he started out.
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| February 17, 2011, 8:49 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
@Ultra, it's good to see us finally agreeing on something.

Here's to many more!
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| February 17, 2011, 9:01 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Sorry, but no.

Do you actually know how economics works in the real world?

First off, the SU, being only New England and Canada-Alberta and B.C., doesn't even have the economy of Germany. So they're help wouln't bring you close.

Also, if you look where Egypt is today compared to Germany today, you can see the fallacy of your statement. To make up that kind of gap is just impossible for a country dominated by desert to do. Especially since you claimed you did it within only a few weeks.

Countries take years to build up their economies, you can't just build up the economy of a recently poor country to that status in a few days. Considering the natural disadvantages Egypt has, you probably couldn't do it at all, no matte how much time.

The only reason you knew that would be a flak magnet was because you knew how far from reality that statement was.

Does anyone else see how impossible this claim is?

How the heII am I supposed to play this game? Really? It's impossible if we're using real-time when it comes to economics.
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| February 17, 2011, 9:13 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Does anyone else see how impossible this claim is?

Seeing how they have just now pulled off a very pricey revolution, and their fate now is uncertain, there is no way that Egypt will ever get close to Germany in terms of economy.

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| February 17, 2011, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
But anyway. Good to have some good debate in the group, although I think it would be prudent to try and stay way from politics. :3

Believe me, I could go on, but I'm stopping now for the sake of the conversation. I hope you appreciate my sacrifice...
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| February 17, 2011, 9:27 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How the heII am I supposed to play this game? Really? It's impossible if we're using real-time when it comes to economics.

You can start by cleaning up your vocabulary...

Just say that you are building up an army, but don't claim absurd things like you just did. also add a few things about economy every once in a while.
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| February 17, 2011, 9:27 pm
/endpolitics
In the CDC, a carrier based variant of the F-42 has been development to fit a requirement by the Navy. As none of the fighters were built yet for the Navy, this addition will not add any more time to production.
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| February 17, 2011, 9:28 pm
I give up. Realism = no fun, because the real world truly $ucks.

If possible, I will request to be annexed by the Socialist Union.


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| February 17, 2011, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How the *expletive omitted* am I supposed to play this game? Really? It's impossible if we're using real-time when it comes to economics.

That's why I would have stayed far away from Egypt...

France (ick, I know) was wide open for the taking.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
If possible, I will request to be annexed by the Socialist Union.


Holy annexations, Bat Man! It's a trap!
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| February 17, 2011, 9:34 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I give up. Realism = no fun, because the real world truly $ucks.

If possible, I will request to be annexed by the Socialist Union.


There really are many ways in which we in the group like to interpret realism. I'd say you should stick around for a little while longer, until you can take part in some good ol' PVP combat and annex a nation.
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| February 17, 2011, 9:35 pm
Quoting -> avalella
There really are many ways in which we in the group like to interpret realism. I'd say you should stick around for a little while longer, until you can take part in some good ol' PVP combat and annex a nation.

UM, EXCUSE ME, but the PVP is what I came for... BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I won't be getting any of that for a long time, considering the apparent state of Egypt.
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| February 17, 2011, 9:53 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
UM, EXCUSE ME, but the PVP is what I came for... BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I won't be getting any of that for a long time, considering the apparent state of Egypt.

Nick Shelton is the name, killing commies is the game. Can I be of assistance?
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| February 17, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
UM, EXCUSE ME, but the PVP is what I came for... BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I won't be getting any of that for a long time, considering the apparent state of Egypt.

I dunno, I can send some OVB agents to blow up your power stations and clean out your banks if you want.
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| February 17, 2011, 10:02 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Also, plans for a class of Nuclear powered U-boat attack submarines may or may not get off the ground. If these plans don't come to fruition, we would be interested in setting up a deal with the UFS to acquire more Type-4s.

The Western Confederation would be very interested in upgrading our submarine fleet. Would the Baltic Union be open to a joint endeavor?
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| February 17, 2011, 10:10 pm
The foundation for both the new Imperial Plantation and the PCUAC (PacifiC Union Air Command) airfield were both laid today in New Portland and Senegal, respectively.

In San Diego, orders have been placed to fill the gaps left when the EC made a pass on the base. However, instead of replacing the ships with their own kind, we are going to order them replaced with the Patriot-class Missile Cruiser and the smaller patrol boats with the Calahaw Patrol Boat series. Both the heavy variants of it and the PT variants will be made to combat the increasing threat of submarines.
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| February 17, 2011, 10:11 pm
Aww yeeaaaahhh

The Federation of Tyranids is GO!

Now, my economy is already pretty good thanks to Uranium and stuff, so I'll start by building a factory for the Valkyries, and another for the Storm Hawks.
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| February 17, 2011, 10:21 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Maybe, I'll have to consult with the Union Board of advisers first (also I must make sure I could actually build such a thing without blatantly copying Matt).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44219944@N03/5045003595/
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| February 17, 2011, 10:30 pm
All of our ships have passed their trials, and currently we are recalling most of our ships back to Great Britain for reasons unknown. Our ships will still be capable of handling any situation abroad or at home.

Research of the runway-destorying cruise missile has been completed, and production has now started. They will be issued to our troops in an air launchable form, and in a sea launchable form.

Currently in the Carribean a total of 10 squadrons are being sent to our airbases there. Of these 2 will be fighter squadrons, while 1 will be ground support. On the island of Jamaica, an early threat detection radar is being set up, which is capable of detecting aircraft from as far as Cuba. Also, a new battalion of Jamaican only forces has completed training. They have 1 armor company, 2 artillery companies, 1 engineer company, and 3 infantry companies. We will also send over a company of regular British troops. These men will act strictly in defensive operations. On the British Virgin Islands we have set up our command center, and a command company along with 1 battalion and 3 companies of British Troops will be stationed on the island. It will consist of 3 marine companies, 1 armored company, 2 artillery companies, 1 engineer company, and 3 companies of infantry. There will be 1 Queen-Elizabeth-Class Carrier, 2 Recluse-Class Cruisers, 4 Hermes-Class Frigates, and 1 Centaur-Class Destroyer acting as the naval force in the region.
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| February 17, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
UM, EXCUSE ME, but the PVP is what I came for... BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I won't be getting any of that for a long time, considering the apparent state of Egypt.

El Presidente is willing to support you financially, and sell you more equipment (you inheritted several thousand of my M908A4, and have production rights to my F-43). I think you could get pretty strong fast.
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| February 17, 2011, 10:43 pm
Quoting -> avalella
El Presidente is willing to support you financially, and sell you more equipment (you inheritted several thousand of my M908A4, and have production rights to my F-43). I think you could get pretty strong fast.

I could give you a license to produce my vehicle designs in your country, then ship them here, if that would work. Macro War Chariots and Hyper War Chariots are the priority, as well as Hyperfalcons, if that's possible.
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| February 17, 2011, 10:49 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How the heII am I supposed to play this game? Really? It's impossible if we're using real-time when it comes to economics.

Don't give up yet! The way this game is played is called politics. I started out as Alaska, independent of the feds, low population, and not much money. Through allegiances and trade with worldwide allies, I've grown into a relatively well off nation. This game isn't to have an economy boom and take over the world, but rather to gang up with your allies and take over the world. >.>

Anyway, start with trade and diplomacy and the like, then expect your economy to increase.
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| February 17, 2011, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Macro War Chariots and Hyper War Chariots

Oh, my...
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| February 17, 2011, 10:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh, my...

LMAO
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| February 17, 2011, 11:10 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I could give you a license to produce my vehicle designs in your country, then ship them here, if that would work. Macro War Chariots and Hyper War Chariots are the priority, as well as Hyperfalcons, if that's possible.

Sounds good to me. FM me what you want.
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| February 17, 2011, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Nick Shelton is the name, killing commies is the game. Can I be of assistance?


That's actually my job. You know, I did remove Commies from China...

Anyways, moving on:
-Tibet war goes on. Biggest trouble is mountain-based raiders.
-Economic investment in Indonesia ongoing.
-Nothing suspicious up in Qinghai or Gansu.
-Discontent over the sudden takeover of Indonesia. Will be ignored.
-Factories keep on churning out weapons. HAT-1 production has stopped in favor of an undisclosed project. Arketer factories dismantled and hidden after the 10 were completed. Shipyards still at work on something hidden (it's got a roof over it and many securities). Production of small arms and ammunition is being upped, so our over nine thousand (or ninety million)conscripts can be armed in an emergency.

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| February 17, 2011, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

-Nothing suspicious up in Qinghai or Gansu.

-Doesn't order satellite sweeps of Qinghai or Gansu.
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| February 17, 2011, 11:29 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
-Doesn't order satellite sweeps of Qinghai or Gansu.


Good luck on finding anything... useful...


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| February 17, 2011, 11:35 pm
Quoting Evan Melick

The Commonwealth is very much against your aggressive actions in the region, and we believe that you will in fact destabalize it more than you think. The Federation has our full support and backing if a conflict were to arrise.
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| February 17, 2011, 11:43 pm
If the deal is still on for the PCU to produce the Tyranid's Valkyrie with their consent, I'll settle for the Awetank.
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| February 17, 2011, 11:59 pm
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As previously mentioned by the Federation, if any Byzantine boots placed upon Ukrainian soil will be regarded as direct hostilities against the Union State. Granted that this criteria has been met, the Russian Federation will begin its measures of retaliation. In light of the latter, the secessionist group that formerly approached the Union State will be backed by our forces if they choose to defy the Byzantine occupation; otherwise, we will continue to press our favor in bought Kiev offices. We will also be utilizing Ukrainian rail lines to transport several mechanized brigades as a means contain the Byzantine occupations forces within the boundaries of the Crimean Peninsula.

Also, the Black Sea fleet is now in full combat readiness due to the likely flare-up of engagement. The Mistral-class vessel with its load-out will be retired to a safe distance, however. This is in reference to its highly-priced amphibious cargo that would be more than a shame to lose. One GMD and one slightly upgraded Kilo-class vessel will be in support of the vessel's defense as well as six MRNCs [with tacked-on NLOS VLMS] working as pickets. The rest of the Black Sea fleet shall be in direct coordination to blockade and/or neutralize any and all threats as it sees fit.

So, the Balkans have now instigated a conflict in Crimea in the eyes of the Union State. We will use any means at our disposal to challenge our foe and keep the balance of power in the Black Sea.

In other news, the Defense Ministry is presently weighing the option for at least one more addition to the Hind family. Although the bird is nearly as old as dirt, it still has some potential value in CAS coordination sorties and other tactical means of insertion. If the new block is approved, a limited number will be produced to make notice this is a stop-gap measure and the Federation is ready to move on with more advanced airframes.

The improved marksmanship training for mountainous terrain is nearing a more relaxed phase after preliminary courses have been completed. Thanks to more open-minded veteran instructors, the instructions themselves have been molded into a cost-effective and more mentally-absorbed manner. This has allowed us to cut the budget for the program by a slight measure to be used for the up-coming mechanization coordination drills. We hope to have at least a slight percentage of these new marksmen in place within Ukraine to help deterrence measures.

The joint defense program with China is progressing well on our side. We have recently begun research into newer software to better process the vast amount of data that shall be flowing after completion. We have also come about the idea to lax costs by means of introducing large air balloons fixed with somewhat sensitive equipment to keep an eye in large, vulnerable areas. Instead of having to employ vast amounts of reserved moneys into manned, stationary outposts retracted from civilization, these balloons offer an affordable, easily replaced, and smart way to increase our early warning network. At least, that's what all of this looks like on paper.

Talks with Belarus involving full state integration have slowed with the intruders from Byzantium approaching the region. However, the Federation diplomats in the former country will use this as a means to press Belarus to make the Union State a true union state. We hope to at least have some progress made by the beginning of next month.
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| February 18, 2011, 5:38 pm
In the CDC, many reforms are being made. As many critics are calling El Presidente and CDC Congressmen "New Wave Commies", many reforms are being made to insure them, and the rest of the world, that we are in-fact a right-leaning democratic socialist nation.
-The nationwide drinking age is being set to 16, and the driving age 17 (with 6 months of supervised practice, and a written exam). It will be illegal, however, for a minor (under 21) to be drunk (with a BAC over 0.06). This will result in a misdemeanor arrest.
-No citizen will be eligible to receive government welfare of any form (including tax cuts, unemployment, social security, medical insurance) without a High School diploma (unless the citizen had to work to support their family, in which case they must be approved by a district court).
-Our conscription system is being tweaked to allow male residents over the age of 18 to opt out of the mandatory military service, and instead do 12 months of government service in other fields (with approval by their local recruiting office).
-An amendment has been added to the CDC Constitution, giving all citizens over the age of 13 the right to own semi-automatic non-concealable rifles and shotguns. To receive a firearm permit, the citizen must pass a safety exam, maintain a safe storage and cleaning facility, and (if under 18, have a waiver signed by 1 legal guardian, unless both are present, in which case 2 are required). Many stocks of our older rifles are being modified to meet civilian ownership standards, and are being sold for $20 each.

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| February 18, 2011, 8:01 pm
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With Poland not cooperating with the Baltic Union, Russia will begin pressing for justice to be upheld for the men who died. Diplomats in-country will ferociously rant that murder, provoked or not, should be at least met with a court trial. The loss of life is no item to toy with. If action is not taken, more dramatic political steps that resemble the Baltic Union's may come to play.
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| February 18, 2011, 8:04 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The WCHC is concerned that the CDC is laying the grounds for what will possibly become child soldiers to swell their ranks in the future in case of war with this newest amendment. The WC, of course, rejects this vigorously.

The M80 "Air Cleaner" variant of the M90 has been drawn up in order to supplement our M76 SAM variants. The M90/80 is a universal design that is modular meaning turrets can be exchanged as needed on the divisional level.

The 15,000 recent recruits have been enrolled in basic training all up and down the WC. Production of tanks is turning almost entirely over to the new type. One factory in the homeland still produces M89s & M45s, while both factories in Guatemala produce the M89.

Guatemalans have subdued two more of the Belize military holdout units. Because of civilians in the area, one of them had to be attacked solely by infantry. Casualties were high, one company suffered 67% casualties in 15 minutes of fierce fighting before the survivors were rescued by a strike force. The Belize military now holds two more areas, it will be several more bloody days of conflict before this is over.

"White Out" continues. Men are drilled relentlessly for 8 hours in the day on old M45s, then in the evening, they are held on the parade round for 'Meditation' or brain training. Using psychological methods to ingrain the proper responses into mental paths to decrease reaction times into quick reflexes.
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| February 18, 2011, 8:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The WCHC is concerned that the CDC is laying the grounds for what will possibly become child soldiers to swell their ranks in the future in case of war with this newest amendment. The WC, of course, rejects this vigorously.


You do realize many people in this group own guns? Heck, Gober owns an AK. Does that mean some states are preparing to have child soldiers if the US is attacked?

Seeing as you're a conservative, that was a pretty liberal statement you made.
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| February 18, 2011, 9:29 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
You do realize many people in this group own guns? Heck, Gober owns an AK. Does that mean some states are preparing to have child soldiers if the US is attacked?

Seeing as you're a conservative, that was a pretty liberal statement you made.

Gober isn't 13.
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| February 18, 2011, 9:47 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

You do realize many people in this group own guns? Heck, Gober owns an AK. Does that mean some states are preparing to have child soldiers if the US is attacked?

Seeing as you're a conservative, that was a pretty liberal statement you made.

Do you know how many times he's tried to magnify his forces using underhanded means? Just last week he was trying to develop chemical weapons.

That's fine, I love guns and I want to get one as soon as I get some time for safety classes...

I just think that kids should be kids until legal age. It's not 'liberal' it's 'grown-up.' For a whole list of reasons (not to mention some 13 year-olds I know couldn't be trusted with a nerf gun) that I won't go in to, there is just a maturity factor. How many rebellious teens do you know that would do something reprehensible if they had a gun?
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| February 18, 2011, 9:57 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Gober isn't 13.

I'm 14. However I don't own an AK. I do own other firearms.

Technically my parents own them, but I have easy access to them. My parents trust me enough and I know how to use these guns, and would never do something st[_]pid with them.
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| February 18, 2011, 10:35 pm
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Quoting Will G.
I'm 14. However I don't own an AK. I do own other firearms.

I own one though. As well as four other firearms for both self-defense and hunting game.

Moving along, the Maritime Defense has decided to heavily invest in coal slurry and biodiesel fuel as an alternative means to be utilized on smaller, non-nuclear vessels. This should put more petroleum in reserve for ground forces and the like. Our air force is working on possibly altering some of the newer production planes to burn the latter alternative fuel as well. This would mean we can pretty much have reduced footprint in-theatre seeing as though we can reduce the amount of waste not being recycled. Our military is going "green", quite a shocker.
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| February 18, 2011, 10:42 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Do you know how many times he's tried to magnify his forces using underhanded means? Just last week he was trying to develop chemical weapons.


At the same time, he is trying to be more powerful without breaking the limitations set by his starting locations. He is if anything a prime example of how to handle a poor country and try to make it more powerful.



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| February 18, 2011, 11:11 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Do you know how many times he's tried to magnify his forces using underhanded means? Just last week he was trying to develop chemical weapons.

That's fine, I love guns and I want to get one as soon as I get some time for safety classes...

I just think that kids should be kids until legal age. It's not 'liberal' it's 'grown-up.' For a whole list of reasons (not to mention some 13 year-olds I know couldn't be trusted with a nerf gun) that I won't go in to, there is just a maturity factor. How many rebellious teens do you know that would do something reprehensible if they had a gun?

I owned an M1A1 when I was 11 o.O
also a few years ago in Georgia you could get a hunting license at the age of six >.>
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| February 18, 2011, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

At the same time, he is trying to be more powerful without breaking the limitations set by his starting locations. He is if anything a prime example of how to handle a poor country and try to make it more powerful.

That's why you start out as a more powerful country and then conquer the little ones.

Quoting Jake H.
I owned an M1A1 when I was 11 o.O
also a few years ago in Georgia you could get a hunting license at the age of six >.>

Hunting is different than owning a weapon. I'm talking about open-carry for kids (that's what I call 13-15 yr olds at my age). Obviously, you had adult supervision.
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| February 18, 2011, 11:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Hunting is different than owning a weapon. I'm talking about open-carry for kids (that's what I call 13-15 yr olds at my age). Obviously, you had adult supervision.

True.





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| February 18, 2011, 11:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Do you know how many times he's tried to magnify his forces using underhanded means? Just last week he was trying to develop chemical weapons.

That's fine, I love guns and I want to get one as soon as I get some time for safety classes...

I just think that kids should be kids until legal age. It's not 'liberal' it's 'grown-up.' For a whole list of reasons (not to mention some 13 year-olds I know couldn't be trusted with a nerf gun) that I won't go in to, there is just a maturity factor. How many rebellious teens do you know that would do something reprehensible if they had a gun?

I learned to shoot and safely handle firearms when I was 12. Its not rocket science, however, the more the media and news hype guns up, the more the general populace views them as objects of power. In most states, you only need to be 12 years old to be able to hunt. From personal experience, I feel it is better to have children grow up around firearms, respect them, and learn that they are only tools. In most cases you'll find that most school shooters (with some expectations, of course) did not grow up around firearms, were only exposed to them in negative media, video games, movies, and news that hype them up to be "uber cool/vicious killing machines", when in reality, they are no more then simple tools. When a teen who is exposed to weapons for the first time after seeing all this BS about them they are likely to want to shoot something that they can pretend to be a bad guy. I feel that its very important to educate people about firearms, in all aspects, which is why I want the good children of the CDC to grow up not fearing, idolizing, and empowering firearms. I've heard interviews with mothers living in towns where firearm ownership is required, and how there is extremely little crime and teens who think guns are their only way to vent their frustrations. So yeah, firearms = saws, but saws do not get such negative connotations, now do they? Also, I am in know way trying to arm child soldiers, I have read the autobiography "A Long Way Gone", and was thoroughly disgusted by the concept of manipulating children to kill.
PS: The reason you would likely not trust the kid with a nerf gun, is because he
A: has some form of developmental disorder
OR
B: has been over exposed to violent video games/other media and has not been properly educated about guns
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| February 18, 2011, 11:34 pm
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Quoting -> avalella

Look, you don't need to lecture me about guns. I'm all about freedom, and an armed public guarantees freedom. There are just too many unknowns when kids have access to firearms, I have no doubt that many can be trained well to respect firearms and use them for their proper purpose. But, kids always want to play. If they let their friends handle them and they start playing around, no telling what could happen.
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| February 18, 2011, 11:39 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
But, also, investigators, on analyzing the terrorist's bodies, have found the ethnicity to be Chinese. This poses a problem, because in the area of Asia most likely responsible for the attacks, the ethnicity of China has spread throughout the region, and any number of countries could be where the terrorists came from.


I AM NOT A CROOK.

/peace signs
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| February 18, 2011, 11:48 pm
Quoting Tom


Wonder where the Chinamen came from!

In Senegal news, the first layers of that cool stuff Ultra linked have been laid, with C-130s landing and dropping off concrete to make a more permanent runway. Over half of it has been laid as of now.

The PCU officially condemns the Black Sea Crisis, and is urging both sides to find a more peaceful solution to this conflict.
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| February 18, 2011, 11:49 pm
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This is a cause for celebration in the Western Confederation! Though, we must bow our heads and remember, with reverence, those that perished in the tragic and unwarranted attacks.

The law officers involved in the final shootout were awarded the Texas Medal of Valor, three posthumously.

While investigations continue into the origin of the terrorists, many are crying for vengeance against China; saying they are hiding like cowards behind the cease-fire agreement while they have irregulars do their dirty work for them. Only time will tell in this matter.
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| February 18, 2011, 11:51 pm
Our fleet is beginning to form into 7 major task forces, and are loading up to head out into the Atlantic. Our submarines have already left port as well. For now we will remain in international waters in the North Atlantic.

The first 48 F-302s were completed, and the first official squadrons in Britain recieved their aircraft.

In Jamaica, long range AA systems are being set up in order to protect our interests. These along with the 2 squadrons stationed there, should be ample firepower to support and defend the island.
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| February 18, 2011, 11:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Look, you don't need to lecture me about guns. I'm all about freedom, and an armed public guarantees freedom. There are just too many unknowns when kids have access to firearms, I have no doubt that many can be trained well to respect firearms and use them for their proper purpose. But, kids always want to play. If they let their friends handle them and they start playing around, no telling what could happen.

1. This has nothing to do with insuring freedom (mainly).
2. There are too many unkowns when an unproperly educated child has access to firearms. There are much fewer concerns when the child is educated safely, and are not crazed about being like Ghost and getting 100 killstreaks. Also, this brings alot more responsibility on the parent's part. If they want to get their child a rifle, they must actually know their own child, and trust them. Unlike America, I'm basing my society around a world where mommy buys little Billy a gun to shut him up and then goes to get a manicure while Billy tries his new toy out in the backyard. I'm fairly sure my society is advanced enough to still retain moral values, and has a sense of social responsibility. If you noticed, I never mentioned anything about the child having unlimited access to the firearms, and I did mention that their storage set ups must be inspected beforehand. Whether the parents give their children access is a different issue, however I'm sure if the parents deemed their young adult responsible enough, they would allow him access. Obviously all teens who commit crimes with these weapons would be tried as an adult, and face severe legal consquences.
3. Not all kids like to play. If a parent thought this way about their child, it is their responsibility to their comminity not to sign the waiver, and to wait until their child is more mature to give allow them to bear the burden of responsibility of firearm ownership.

PS: People all over the world have different views about firearms, I personally have my own opinion. This may be due to the way I was brought up, however I am basing my society off of myself, so I think they can handle the guns. Your experience gives you every right to disagree with me, and I encourage you to run your nation in the way you see fit, however please don't impose on my beliefs, which are based off of firsthand and secondhand experiences, if that doesn't sound too hypocritical ;).
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| February 18, 2011, 11:54 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
While investigations continue into the origin of the terrorists, many are crying for vengeance against China; saying they are hiding like cowards behind the cease-fire agreement while they have irregulars do their dirty work for them. Only time will tell in this matter.


Come at me, bro. For a crime I didn't commit, no less. None of this was my idea, none of it was done by me. Find the real perpetrator. Unless you just want a scapegoat..?

Like I said, I AM NOT A CROOK.
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| February 18, 2011, 11:55 pm
HGS Pacifica and its surrounding Carrier Group are moving back to the PCU. Their aircraft will be managing a large area outside of Midway to make sure it isn't attacked or that craft are leaving it. We advocate a peaceful solution to this.
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| February 18, 2011, 11:57 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
HGS Pacifica and its surrounding Carrier Group are moving back to the PCU. Their aircraft will be managing a large area outside of Midway to make sure it isn't attacked or that craft are leaving it. We advocate a peaceful solution to this.

You, sir, back off and stay away. That's my 'peaceful' solution.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:07 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
You, sir, back off and stay away. That's my 'peaceful' solution.

I seriously do want a good peace deal coming out of this. I know for a fact if you go to war with China you will launch attacks that will affect the PCU because we're allies. If not you, someone else. Though some good ole combat would be good for you.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:09 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I seriously do want a good peace deal coming out of this. I know for a fact if you go to war with China you will launch attacks that will affect the PCU because we're allies. If not you, someone else. Though some good ole combat would be good for you.

I don't need your protection at all, whoever attacks me does, so protect them. Stay away from Midway.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:13 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
I don't need your protection at all, whoever attacks me does, so protect them. Stay away from Midway.

Whatever you say. I love how everyone in this group is hostile to a little bit of friendly help here and there.

Well Awe, the ball is in your court.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:15 am
All that needs to happen next is for someone to blow up Mecca...

In the EC over the past few weeks:
-I gave a speech to Savannah refugees encouraging them not to lose hope. They will be staying in excellent quality temporary living spaces while Savannah is reconstructed.
-A large statue of George Bush is being constructed in Ardmore OK.
-Fundraisers for the Savannah refugees have raised vast amounts of money. Aid from the National Guard and other relief groups have bombarded the area.
-Illinois has officially become a state and the Sears tower restored with its rightful name as promised to Tom.
-Alenian terrorism is highly frowned upon. It is causing protests in the South.
-An uprising in Wisconsin is being quelled.
-Yemeni drug lord Muhammad Williams has returned to Yemen. He is currently being tracked by satellite and the Yemeni government is being asked once more to comply.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:18 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Whatever you say. I love how everyone in this group is hostile to a little bit of friendly help here and there.

Thank you for your cooperation.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:18 am
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I'm telling you, I'm not involved in this terrorist business. Anyone who thinks I am is welcome to try and attack. I've had weeks to put up defenses in all my cities, bases, and industrial zones, check the older ICFs. You'll never find those bombers either, if you want to hit them on the ground. I've got planes all over, and as many boats as I can muster.

Problem? Bring it.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:19 am
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The Russian Federation is now infuriated with both the officers aboard the blockaded vessels and with Byzantium. However, we will remain in stable mind to deal with the issue of the enemy occupation. Presently, we will give our opposition 36 hours to remove themselves from the region before force will be applied to neutralize the threat to our interests. The two Black Sea groups presently in open waters have been given word to go ahead and back up to allow free negotiations and to calculate how best to act with part of the fleet not present for any interdiction. However, two squadrons of Su-51s have been moved within the Moscow Quarter and into striking distance of the Crimea. A squadron of upgraded Su-27s is also on standby for aerial interdiction in the blind-spots of the Su-51s.

So, the ultimatum to Byzantium is to disassemble its occupation force 36 hours starting from 0100 hours EST or face armed conflict.
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| February 19, 2011, 12:55 am
Quoting Ultramarine .


I hope you caught the part where your morale is at an all-time low.
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| February 19, 2011, 1:02 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU officially condemns the Black Sea Crisis, and is urging both sides to find a more peaceful solution to this conflict.

Nukes would work.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Come at me, bro. For a crime I didn't commit, no less. None of this was my idea, none of it was done by me. Find the real perpetrator. Unless you just want a scapegoat..?

Just remember, you can always go into exile in Los Angeles.

Quoting Will G.
All that needs to happen next is for someone to blow up Mecca...

...

-Alenian terrorism is highly frowned upon. It is causing protests in the South.

-Point one: BRB, retrofitting ICBM.

-Point two: do you have any evidence for these slanderous claims beyond "they're acting suspicious"?

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I hope you caught the part where your morale is at an all-time low.

Think of how much lower it'd have been if those'd been suitcase nukes instead of gas bombs.


So, over in totally-not-up-to-something land: we haven't been stepping up production of anything. We have, however, declared a day of celebration at the successful launch of the first newly manufactured Soyuz rocket since 2013. While the frame is the same old much loved multistage lifter, the engines are a new and much more efficient design. Hopefully, this'll give us a 17% greater lifting capacity to the same altitude.
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| February 19, 2011, 1:52 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I hope you caught the part where your morale is at an all-time low.

Your point?
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| February 19, 2011, 10:13 am
Quoting Areetsa C


Quoting Will G.
All that needs to happen next is for someone to blow up Mecca...

...

-Alenian terrorism is highly frowned upon. It is causing protests in the South.

-Point one: BRB, retrofitting ICBM.

-Point two: do you have any evidence for these slanderous claims beyond "they're acting suspicious"?

Maybe I have overlooked some nations here. EGYPT sounds like they don't like us, but I don't know where EGYPTIANS would get this sort of special forces. I always knew CLIFFE to be a nut. Maybe I'm just making too many assumptions about the EGYPTIANS. Good old TIM CLIFFE would never do such a thing.
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| February 19, 2011, 11:01 am
Quoting Thomas N
Or, possibly, the JAPANESE. Considering they might want to redeem their 200,000 odd citizens, an event which would have made BRENDAN very upset. Plus the fact that the original note to the police was written in JAPANESE.

Chinese (the ethnicity) also isn't limited to China, so though the terrorists were of Chinese descent, they could have come from Awe's China or Alenia (which contains a former Chinese province), but there is also a prevalent Chinese ethnic population in Japan, Korea, Australia, Russia, and even the PCU.

Or, any country could have hired individuals of Chinese descent to drag attention away from their own populations.


The point is, I wouldn't jump to conclusions if I was you two, of course, I know perfectly well who it was, but you guys are still risking going to war with someone uninvolved by just assuming you know whose country the people came from.

Perhaps Cliffe is orchestrating a conspiracy against us two confederations.

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| February 19, 2011, 1:02 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Plus the fact that the original note to the police was written in JAPANESE.


Which is exactly what I would do to throw the dogs off the scent.

Quoting Thomas N
The point is, I wouldn't jump to conclusions if I was you two, of course, I know perfectly well who it was, but you guys are still risking going to war with someone uninvolved by just assuming you know whose country the people came from.

I risk nothing. Those whom I suspect have about 48 hours to convince me they are innocent or they will pay as dearly as though they were guilty.

Paying attention, Asia?
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| February 19, 2011, 1:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I risk nothing. Those whom I suspect have about 48 hours to convince me they are innocent or they will pay as dearly as though they were guilty.

Paying attention, Asia?

By focusing on suspects on the other side of the globe, you leave yourself wide open to a rude awakening, should it turn out that the actual perpetrators do in fact share a continent with you.
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| February 19, 2011, 7:10 pm
The PCU is going inactive starting Sunday until March 4th. Until then, China has all of our assets under their command in the support of the national defense.

Any attacks will be dealt with when I get back.
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| February 19, 2011, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
By focusing on suspects on the other side of the globe, you leave yourself wide open to a rude awakening, should it turn out that the actual perpetrators do in fact share a continent with you.

You seem to forget, sir, in your constant double-talk and suspicion throwing; that I could dissolve 5 or more of your cities in a single day from the comfort of my own living room. Leaving me in a perfect place to take care of someone on my own continent, since none of my ground or air forces will go anywhere.

I won't attack you if you are not guilty, but by being so...aggravating...you dance with a very real death.

Killing 6,200 of my citizens was a mere bruise in comparison to the potential millions of your citizens that I could stack up in a single attack. I do think that would raise the morale of my citizenry, don't you?
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| February 19, 2011, 8:15 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You seem to forget, sir, in your constant double-talk and suspicion throwing; that I could dissolve 5 or more of your cities in a single day from the comfort of my own living room. Leaving me in a perfect place to take care of someone on my own continent, since none of my ground or air forces will go anywhere.

I won't attack you if you are not guilty, but by being so...aggravating...you dance with a very real death.

Killing 6,200 of my citizens was a mere bruise in comparison to the potential millions of your citizens that I could stack up in a single attack. I do think that would raise the morale of my citizenry, don't you?

Nuclear weapons are banned.
And if they aren't, I have Baikonur. How much damage do you think 3.8 tonnes worth of nukes could do to you, assuming there were half a dozen or more such bundles headed your way?
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| February 19, 2011, 9:21 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

It is now time for our Secret Project One (started about 1 week after group creation) to be unveiled to the world. Ground-Based Midcourse Defense Initiative Two has successfully seen the mass production (relatively) and deployment of ground-based missile defense systems. These systems are simply a more widespread (geographically) application of the NMD and Aegis systems currently in existence. Missile bases received components weeks ago and have been constructing them ever since. Since we don't have to worry about nuclear weapons, the location of intercept in space matters little, just as long as it is before it impacts. Applied across the territory of the WC and Guatemala (still under construction) to protect at least 98% of our population, we will soon be free of worry from strategic arms. NORAD (recall I mentioned something about 'finding' things?) successfully tested the system actively a few weeks ago, and 'space' radar is online. Full systems integration will take a few more days to work out all the tangles, but all are optimistic.

Guatemalan marines have besieged the final Belize holdout unit. It is only about 500 strong, but they occupy a good defensive position and the marines have been fighting all day. The GAF bombed the 'Kessel' vigorously, but it did not give up.

The Brigand-class vessel is about 60% done. One more FTC was christened today and underwent shakedowns.

Production totals for this time around:
10 M90s 'Yankees'
5 M80 'Air Cleaners'
15 M89s
10 F-29s
2 F-89s
15 AH-12
10 UH-10

Quoting Areetsa C
Nuclear weapons are banned.

Who needs nukes?

Quoting Areetsa C
How much damage do you think 3.8 tonnes worth of nukes could do to you, assuming there were half a dozen or more such bundles headed your way?

A lot less damage than 10 20kT Fuel-air missiles heading your way...
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| February 19, 2011, 9:23 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I risk nothing. Those whom I suspect have about 48 hours to convince me they are innocent or they will pay as dearly as though they were guilty.

Paying attention, Asia?


I scoff at your ideas of actually being able to harm me. I'm no little splinter state or 3rd world country developing. I've held north China for eleven years, and have just gained control over everything else (except Tibet and Xinjiang) of value. I don't need to prove I didn't do what I didn't do, least of all to nation across the world.
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| February 19, 2011, 9:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
A lot less damage than 10 20kT Fuel-air missiles heading your way...

Ah, but think of the backlash.
I've been playing Alenia as a rather unstable periphery power just recently come out of an isolationist regime.
A sudden and for all intents and purposes unprovoked assault causing millions of deaths? There's no way in heaven or earth that The People would let me NOT nuke you into the stone age.
And if they did, well, that'd be blatantly uncharacteristic.
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| February 19, 2011, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Ah, but think of the backlash.
I've been playing Alenia as a rather unstable periphery power just recently come out of an isolationist regime.
A sudden and for all intents and purposes unprovoked assault causing millions of deaths? There's no way in heaven or earth that The People would let me NOT nuke you into the stone age.
And if they did, well, that'd be blatantly uncharacteristic.

Check out the edit, why don't you?
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| February 19, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Check out the edit, why don't you?

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mmmassacre.jpg
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| February 19, 2011, 10:04 pm
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Yeah, funny. No nukes.
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| February 19, 2011, 10:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, funny. No nukes.

I have nerve gas on hand, if it helps.
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| February 19, 2011, 10:08 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I have nerve gas on hand, if it helps.

Harharharhar. That will only bring down half the world on you...
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| February 19, 2011, 10:10 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Harharharhar. That will only bring down half the world on you...

Maybe you guys should stop talking and start doing.
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| February 19, 2011, 10:32 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Why don't we just poison the Nile and get it over with.

Please elaborate on Flickr.
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| February 19, 2011, 10:45 pm
Quoting Will G.
Why don't we just poison the Mississippi River and get it over with.


Excellent idea! We'll get right on it.
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| February 19, 2011, 10:46 pm
Updates:
Not much happening in Australia right now, since the Ivory Coast Invasion was cancelled. No invasions, no war, just chillin'.
Oh yeah... wildfire in the bush, but no big deal.
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| February 19, 2011, 10:47 pm
I just want to thank Tom and the others for telling me to be realistic, because now I have all kinds of ideas of how to build up my nation without tripping over into fantasy. :D
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| February 19, 2011, 10:50 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Maybe you guys should stop talking and start doing.

I'd much prefer to let him attack first. Then I'll be able to say "well, my aircraft don't have the range to get you, and I don't have super 1337 firebombs like you do, so I'm just retaliating with the best stuff I have".
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| February 19, 2011, 11:21 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
I'd much prefer to let him attack first. Then I'll be able to say "well, my aircraft don't have the range to get you, and I don't have super 1337 firebombs like you do, so I'm just retaliating with the best stuff I have".

For sure.
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| February 19, 2011, 11:24 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Excellent idea! We'll get right on it.

And I'll nuke Madrid while you're at it.
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| February 19, 2011, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
For sure.

I might remind you that fallout is hardly local and is likely to affect the entire continent...
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| February 19, 2011, 11:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I might remind you that fallout is hardly local and is likely to affect the entire continent...

It won't affect the Wolf's Den.
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| February 19, 2011, 11:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I might remind you that fallout is hardly local and is likely to affect the entire continent...

Plus, if you saw those missiles coming you'd most likely launch yours at him, destroying both of you, and irradiating the rest of the world.
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| February 19, 2011, 11:41 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Plus, if you saw those missiles coming you'd most likely launch yours at him, destroying both of you, and irradiating the rest of the world.

Actually, I'd say: "Huh, looks like someone done messed up." Launch my defenses, take 'em down. Then counter-launch.

I just love missile shields!
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| February 19, 2011, 11:49 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5460631234/

The PCU unveiled it's new fighter today, expected to replace the aging MAF-1 that has been in service since 2021.
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| February 19, 2011, 11:51 pm
Quoting Will G.
Plus, if you saw those missiles coming you'd most likely launch yours at him, destroying both of you, and irradiating the rest of the world.

The orders I've given to Tom say that if he launches, I launch. So if America gets irradiated, just remember who's fault it is.
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| February 20, 2011, 12:03 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
The orders I've given to Tom say that if he launches, I launch. So if America gets irradiated, just remember who's fault it is.

Reading of history helps. Your last silos were destroyed back in 1999. You have no ballistic missile program. You have no nukes to launch, you have no silos to launch them from. You'd have to start from scratch, and that ain't easy nor cheap; and certainly not a 'quick' thing.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/kazakhstan/missile/index.html

I'm guessing you didn't bet on that, did you? Thought you'd have lots of missiles to throw around. Well, guessed wrong. Want to talk now?
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| February 20, 2011, 12:08 am
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Nothings going to get irradiated, the admins and us mods won't allow nukes to even be used. If your orders say to launch nukes, they will be ignored.
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| February 20, 2011, 12:09 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
15 years of paranoid regime. Nukes = just the thing to keep that pesky U.N. out of your business.

Just look at North Korea.

Must I remind you that we are going by what is in 2011, not what 'might' or 'could' happen between times. Just like technology, we can't just say certain things happened in the interim.

I've been painfully reminded of this recently. Ask Tom, I'm pretty sure I'll be backed up on this one.
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| February 20, 2011, 12:16 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Must I remind you that we are going by what is in 2011, not what 'might' or 'could' happen between times. Just like technology, we can't just say certain things happened in the interim.


I would like to thank you for making such a clear case for the admins and the mods on this topic.
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| February 20, 2011, 12:27 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Must I remind you that we are going by what is in 2011, not what 'might' or 'could' happen between times. Just like technology, we can't just say certain things happened in the interim.

I've been painfully reminded of this recently. Ask Tom, I'm pretty sure I'll be backed up on this one.

Well, I'm sure I'll find a solution that'll have an adequate amount of collateral damage.

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| February 20, 2011, 12:31 am
The PCU will begin shifting all MAF-2s to ground-bases, marking a new period for the MAF-3 as a naval aviation fighter.
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| February 20, 2011, 12:31 am
The CDC has begun development of a new ground attack plane, being designated the A-13 Raya. Also, we will begin producing an additional 200 F-43s for the Egyptian Air Force.
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| February 20, 2011, 12:39 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU will begin shifting all MAF-2s to ground-bases, marking a new period for the MAF-3 as a naval aviation fighter.

These MAF-2s, what sort of capabilities do they have?
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| February 20, 2011, 12:46 am
Quoting Areetsa C
These MAF-2s, what sort of capabilities do they have?

They've won nearly all of the battles they've been pitted in, and is probably the most powerful aircraft in my arsenal.
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| February 20, 2011, 12:47 am
The Commonwealth military has asked BAE to design a new "fighter bomber" or in otherwords a ground support aircraft to replace the F-35 A and to act in attack roles aboard our ships. The aircraft in its land based configuration will serve mainly as a ground attack and support airframe. At sea, we hope to make it into something like the A-6 Introder. We invision it as being a versatile airframe capable of serving as a bomber, anti-shipping platform, electronic warfare aircraft, and anti-AA platform(to take out radar).
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| February 20, 2011, 12:52 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
These MAF-2s, what sort of capabilities do they have?


http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/234917

Sit down at my table, put your mind at ease...
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| February 20, 2011, 1:00 am
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Because the 36 hours promised for delegations upon the fate of the Crimea have not been met by the Byzantine government, the Union State is preparing for full combat mobilization. The three brigades presently in-theatre have been advised to account for all logistical support and to begin preparing for a press into the peninsula within the next 48 hours. The two squadrons of Su-51s are on full-alert status and will engage any foreign aircraft that care to press into mainland Ukraine, so to speak. The relief squadron of Su-27s is also marked under the same operational status.

The Black Sea naval groups are still in limbo, but shall be given operational orders shortly. The Mistral-class vessel has been told to return to Abkhazia to relieve its amphibious load-out to reduce any capital loss that should happen due to apparent error already being noted. After doing so, it will return as an aggressive naval air support craft that will engage any hostile vessels upon suspension alone.

So, Evan, the ball is in your court. Have at it.
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| February 20, 2011, 5:17 pm
Due to many complaints about the design of the MAF-3, the only two that have been made are being grounded to fix some of the problems.
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| February 20, 2011, 5:38 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

A massive military parade was put on through downtown Denver today. Tens of thousands were in attendance, and millions more were watching the televised version, with word that the WCHC had strengthened their defenses and that the threat of strategic arms was no longer. Hopefully, the military demonstration will follow its historical trends and raise morale. The men were unarmed, but all were in dress uniform and marched handsomely in unified step. Flyovers of everything from helicopter squadrons to the thundering B-1s punctuated the marches at carefully timed intervals. The demonstration ended several hours ago, with most of the crowds gone home by now. A new M90 made an appearance and was on display afterward for several hours. After the parade, most of the soldiers made a journey to ground zero of the terrorist attacks and helped to clean up and help with search and rescue, may of them openly wept at the sight.

Speaking of the M80/90 as the project has been called, 10 of the MBT and 5 of the AAA versions have rolled off the production line.

Guatemala has overrun the last bastion of Belize resistance in the form of the military holdouts. Some scattered insurgents remain, but they won't last long. The Belize government itself is putting pressure on its citizens to lay down their arms. "Death in our streets is not the Belize way" was the refrain in a long speech on the subject. Some rebels suspect there was threatening or coercion to force the issuance of the speech, but no proof has surfaced.
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| February 20, 2011, 7:16 pm
Today in Brazil…

IF-15 prototypes have begun the final phase of testing. The BNS Rio de Janeiro, Brazil's first advanced Carrier has received its full amount of 60 F-33s to compliment the 12 A-10 and many other aircraft and helicopters. The jet, while not very stealthy has more than proven itself in CAS and Close-Medium range patrols and dogfighting, the main duty of a Naval Fighter. The Rio was updated a few weeks ago with a new CIWS and SAMs, along with Triple-A and state-of-the-Art Electronics.

Training and recruiting for the elite Paratrooper Divisions and Marines has been stepped up, along with ASTROS II and T-1A1 Osório production.

Nothing sneaky is happening, definitely not in the Amazon of all places, where Satelites can't see. No way.
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| February 20, 2011, 7:57 pm
The classified results of Operation Swooping Eagle have been revealed to the PCU High Command. The results were fairly well, with the execution almost perfect. Now over 3/4th of the population of the AO reside in the PCU. One soldier died when his squad was defending one of the transports from the militia.

In other news, Java has agreed to send some workers to the PCU as well as allow for a large naval/air base on the coast.
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| February 20, 2011, 10:33 pm
BAE has submitted its design for our new ground attack aircraft, called the XA-37. Prototypes are currently being produced, and are being tested by both the navy and the air force.
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| February 20, 2011, 11:37 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

In other news, Java has agreed to send some workers to the PCU as well as allow for a large naval/air base on the coast.

<_<

I somewhat doubt they'd let you do that, I mean much of Indonesia feels somewhat betrayed by you starting a coalition against them...

Anyway, I don't think this war should be called WWIII, it just didn't get big enough or last long enough. I think it should be called The Pacific Crisis.
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| February 20, 2011, 11:48 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
<_<

I somewhat doubt they'd let you do that, I mean much of Indonesia feels somewhat betrayed by you starting a coalition against them...

They totally were not forced. Totally not at gunpoint either.
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| February 21, 2011, 12:00 am
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Due to statements of the Americans, and because we're just looking out for our friends, Kaoxiang China will be transferring Indonesian production, along with Indonesian workers and their families, to a more secure place in China proper, under our protection from could-be marauding Westerners (not to mention, wage increase). They will be allowed to come and go from the nation as they please, and will be able to send all the money they like back home (even if their families are with them). Transfer begins... soon.

Meanwhile, in Indonesia itself, there has been some doubt to this plan. But, we need only to point to the events of the past month to give ample reason to do this. Everything else will remain the same.

In both realms, the Emperor seeks to make food production self-sustainable as possible, in case of war and blockade. Monetary incentive is offered where needed. When that doesn't work... We'll take a little trip to visit Mao's methods.
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| February 21, 2011, 12:13 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
When that doesn't work... We'll take a little trip to visit Mao's methods.

The ones that killed a third of the population?
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| February 21, 2011, 12:29 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
The ones that killed a third of the population?


Precisely. No one wants that, do they?
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| February 21, 2011, 3:32 am
The Western Confederation's order of 40 MUH-1 Rozzel helicopters has been completed as of Saturday. The Pacific Union Army has been delivered a grand total of 43 MUH-1 Rozzel helicopters as well, with the VTOLs being saved for the Marines.

In Senegal, E Company of the White Operations Group was attacked today while delivering supplies to the outer areas of Senegal's border to help farmers. Two more Companies, A and B, have been ordered to report to the area as soon as possible and eliminate the threat. While the surrounded Company defends itself in the area, the HGS Ronald Reagan and its two Virginia class escorts are heading to the coast to launch sorties and some Tomahawks to ease the workload of the White Operations Group.

White Operations Recruitment has raised considerably since the Civil War, as well as their extreme victories in Java, Alberta, Hawaii, and various other areas. We expect to have enough to fill a full twenty companies before the end of the year.

The HGS Pacifica is heading to Egypt, and is requesting permission to pass through the Suez and chill out in the Mediterranean off of the coast. Sound good?

The PCU is moving the 3rd Regiment of the Pacific Union Army to Egpyt for an undisclosed endeavor, that should be revealed once Tom gets my FM. >.>

Are you still the CM, Tom?
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| February 21, 2011, 2:46 pm
In the CDC, a small reform is being made to the state healthcare policy. Any citizen who begins first-hand consumption of tobacco products (as of now), is not eligible to receive government-provided healthcare for any of these conditions, unless a doctor confirms that their use of tobacco was not the cause:
Lung Cancer
Esophagus Cancer
any cancer of the mouth
Emphysema
We hope this will prevent future generations from beginning to smoke, and will help shrink the tobacco industry to make room for more food production. Also, a new tax 10% "sin tax" is being added to tobacco products, to help generate revenue. All government healthcare centers will now offer support to citizens wishing to quite smoking, such as support groups, plans, and medication (if needed), to help our citizens stop this nasty habit.
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| February 21, 2011, 3:50 pm
Quoting -> avalella
In the CDC, a small reform is being made to the state healthcare policy. Any citizen who begins first-hand consumption of tobacco products (as of now), is not eligible to receive government-provided healthcare for any of these conditions, unless a doctor confirms that their use of tobacco was not the cause:
Lung Cancer
Esophagus Cancer
any cancer of the mouth
Emphysema
We hope this will prevent future generations from beginning to smoke, and will help shrink the tobacco industry to make room for more food production. Also, a new tax 10% "sin tax" is being added to tobacco products, to help generate revenue. All government healthcare centers will now offer support to citizens wishing to quite smoking, such as support groups, plans, and medication (if needed), to help our citizens stop this nasty habit.

And the drinking age is sixteen? Your policies seem to contradict themselves.

You say:
"You can't have tobacco because it kills you slowly, but you can have alcohol at sixteen, and be exposed to becoming an alcoholic at a young age, hindering your brain development and causing reckless behavior."


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| February 21, 2011, 7:35 pm
Quoting Will G.
And the drinking age is sixteen? Your policies seem to contradict themselves.

You say:
"You can't have tobacco because it kills you slowly, but you can have alcohol at sixteen, and be exposed to becoming an alcoholic at a young age, hindering your brain development and causing reckless behavior."


Well call me crazy, but currently there is no drinking age in cuba, and anyone can smoke whenever they want. I'd rather have my citizens be exposed to alcohol before being able to drive, so that by the time they can, we won't have as much drunk drivers. Also, smoking kills you much faster then drinking does (health-wise), so from an economic standpoint, preventing my citizens from smoking increases their lifespan, and the ammount of time they can work in the factories. Also, Americans seem to be the only society to have such a high drunk driving rate, yet we have one of the highest drinking ages.
/comeatmebro
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| February 21, 2011, 7:39 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Well call me crazy, but currently there is no drinking age in cuba, and anyone can smoke whenever they want. I'd rather have my citizens be exposed to alcohol before being able to drive, so that by the time they can, we won't have as much drunk drivers. Also, smoking kills you much faster then drinking does (health-wise), so from an economic standpoint, preventing my citizens from smoking increases their lifespan, and the ammount of time they can work in the factories. Also, Americans seem to be the only society to have such a high drunk driving rate, yet we have one of the highest drinking ages.
/comeatmebro

Coming from an economic standpoint banning smoking is not such a great idea. How many people do you know have been killed by smoking drivers as opposed to drunk ones. You can also say, "Exposing them to alcohol at a young age decreases their chance of driving drunk." However I could just as well say exposing them to alcohol at a younger age allows them to be more used to buying it and consuming it. All the easier to do this process when they can drive.

Both are disgusting habits, I prefer neither and request that this argument be ended.
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| February 21, 2011, 7:58 pm
Quoting Will G.
Coming from an economic standpoint banning smoking is not such a great idea. How many people do you know have been killed by smoking drivers as opposed to drunk ones. You can also say, "Exposing them to alcohol at a young age decreases their chance of driving drunk." However I could just as well say exposing them to alcohol at a younger age allows them to be more used to buying it and consuming it. All the easier to do this process when they can drive.

Both are disgusting habits, I prefer neither and request that this argument be ended.

kthanksbye
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| February 21, 2011, 8:12 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Guatemala has announced that the final combat operations have come to a close. In what was clearly a territorial war, the WC has somewhat mixed feelings about the matter, but was bound by treaty from stopping it. Belize has handed over its government to Guatemala, in a brief ceremony earlier today. The head of the Belize Parliament thought hard about committing suicide afterward, but decided against it taking instead an invitation to retire in Nicaragua.

"White Out" training has ended, the trainees eagerly await the delivery of M90s to the unit. Their unit, the 98th Armored Regiment, has chosen 'White Out' as their nickname.

Things are moving forward on the YA-11 ground-attack aircraft. Also, a new howitzer is on the drawing boards to increase fire support.

Absolutely nothing is going on in the Coral Sea and it does not, I emphasize, does NOT have anything to do with my dual-carrier group from Midway being there, somewhere. Shut your eyes, forget you saw this, that's an order.

Quoting Will G.

Check Flickr, please.
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| February 21, 2011, 9:16 pm
The runways on Kauai are nearly repaired, and we'll hopefully be able to station fighter aircraft there within two weeks. The control towers of two airports have been modified with enclosed UAH-1 simulators to allow the drones to operate more effectively. 12 have been moved to Kuaui for now. A Dolphin Search and Rescue helicopter has been re-stationed in Hawaii as well. We'll begin building heavy defenses next week, if all goes as planned.
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| February 21, 2011, 10:16 pm
AND NOW, NEWS FROM EGYPT!

With FREE outsourcing due to the extreme generosity of our allies, the Egyptian economy is bull (PUN NOT INTENDED). While still not quite the greatest thing since the 2011 revolution, it is a glimpse towards a bright future, and by Aten is it moving along like a Shinkansen.

The solar industry is getting a start. Rooting up from home-made trinkets, new companies are springing up to produce cheap, efficient solar-steam-powered generators. Egypt's first solar farm is being constructed in the western desert at this current time.

Hydrogen fuel cell technology is also being researched, with the government and many private industry interests putting their heads together, much progress is being made. However, they have a long way to go.

What seems most promising at this point is the bio-fuels industry. Large farms specifically for growing and harvesting bio-fuels are being planted. One is complete. Algae and alcohol-based fuels have already been successfully tested in automobiles, watercraft, and even piston-engined aircraft. Jet aircraft are to be tested in a few weeks.

Algae, with so many incredible uses, may sprout an industry all of its own. More on this later.

Political news!

Pharaoh Akhnekemhotep appears to be wishing to expand the nation. Talks with the governments of Libya, North Sudan, South Sudan, Jordan and Saudi Arabia were planned. Talks with Libya, South Sudan and Jordan have proven largely successful and highly promising, with no response from corrupt Saudi Arabia and a flat "no" from Jordan. As to what the Pharaoh and his overseers plan to do next is anyone's guess. However, what is known is that talks with the more democratic nations are scheduled to continue. The future's so bright I need to get me some shades!

That's all for tonight, folks! Join us next time for more great news! This is Ankh-Mar News Network, where service is priority!
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| February 21, 2011, 10:30 pm
In everyone's favorite totalitarian regime: the overhaul of infantry equipment is complete, although providing every other trooper with an IR imager is taking a while.

We've also added to our training courses, introducing a battery of lessons for dealing with poison gas attacks ranging from tear gas to more lethal agents. While we can't, for obvious reasons, use nerve agents during training, we have started using a heavily diluted variation of mustard gas, mainly for its ability to teach people to do up their gas suits properly with only one or two exposures.
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| February 21, 2011, 10:39 pm
Today in Brazil...

Defences on Samoa, Johnston, and Okinawa have been beefed up, including TOW and AT gun enplacments all over the islands. A network of heavy SAMs have been set up throughout the whole Union, including our Pacific Teritorries.

6 tank divisions have begun classified training in (insert guess here). 60% of our Osório force has been slated go get new Coaxial MG and 135mm guns. On the more realistic side, only 10% have actually got this new upgrade, with JUST standardized, these tanks are becoming a household name.

A classified aircraft has taken it's first flight today, only the name could be released: Reaper. With talks of stealth bombers and UFOs going around, it will be a surprise to the public to what Engesa Blackworks has actually conjured.

On a watery note, the BNS Rio has finally completed it's drills and is ready to serve along it's awaited task force -cough- Tom -cough-

Quoting Cliffe something. About fuel cells...

Brazil has plenty to offer, name your amount son!
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| February 21, 2011, 10:55 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Today in Brazil...

Defences on Samoa, Johnston, and Okinawa have been beefed up, including TOW and AT gun enplacments all over the islands. A network of heavy SAMs have been set up throughout the whole Union, including our Pacific Teritorries.

6 tank divisions have begun classified training in (insert guess here). 60% of our Osório force has been slated go get new Coaxial MG and 135mm guns. On the more realistic side, only 10% have actually got this new upgrade, with JUST standardized, these tanks are becoming a household name.

A classified aircraft has taken it's first flight today, only the name could be released: Reaper. With talks of stealth bombers and UFOs going around, it will be a surprise to the public to what Engesa Blackworks has actually conjured.

On a watery note, the BNS Rio has finally completed it's drills and is ready to serve along it's awaited task force -cough- Tom -cough-

Quoting Cliffe something. About fuel cells...

Brazil has plenty to offer, name your amount son!

We would more like the technology to produce our own. Could we have a factory set up in Cairo? We will share a few technological secrets with you in return.
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| February 21, 2011, 11:01 pm
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Due to the ever changing dynamics of this world, funding has finally been cleared for the two requested Allegiance GMDs, and in a surprise move, another Type-2 as well.

Greenlandic and Icelandic populations have, in recent polls, showed their support for being part of the UNC.

Despite our close ties with the Russian Federation, the UNC sees no reason to join in the dispute with Byzantium.


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| February 21, 2011, 11:20 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
What seems most promising at this point is the bio-fuels industry. Large farms specifically for growing and harvesting bio-fuels are being planted. One is complete. Algae and alcohol-based fuels have already been successfully tested in automobiles, watercraft, and even piston-engined aircraft. Jet aircraft are to be tested in a few weeks.

Algae, with so many incredible uses, may sprout an industry all of its own. More on this later.

We would like to fund this project, assuming we'd be able to share the resulting technology.

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| February 21, 2011, 11:24 pm
This game seems to get more and more random and unrealistic every time I check in on it.

Jus saying.
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| February 21, 2011, 11:34 pm
Large-scale land, sea, and air exercises are being held by the CDC military this week. In a simulated blockade, CDC fleets and naval aviation wings, combined with local Air Force squadrons, mobilized to instill CDC air superiority over Cuba, while units from the Army and Army Reserve set up static and mobile AA and missile defense grids over all major cities, and did air raid drills with civilian populations. In an effort to improve training, another requirement is being set for CDC aviators: all fighter pilots must log at least 250 hours in-flight every year. We hope this will serve to improve our defensive, and offensive, aerial capabilities.
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| February 21, 2011, 11:57 pm
Cuba's recent heightening of its military status, forces our second fleet and troops in the region to be alerted. This is just a precautionary move to prevent us being caught off guard in case of a Cuban sneak attack.

Another military deal has been struck up with The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We will be selling them the production rights to the F-35 D and the Challenger 3 (without Chobham armour). We will also be negotiating a defense pact with them, because of their importance to our economy, we will need them to be protected and safe indefinitely. So we will ask them if we can establish an airbase and naval base. The latter will be located near Al Qatif and the first will be located near Hail. Forces located there will only operate to defend the kingdom and its people.

Production of another 4 Hermes-Class Frigates, 1 Centaur-Class Destroyer, and 1 Recluse-Class Cruiser has been completed. The production of our third Falklands-Class Carrier is nearing completion as well.
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| February 22, 2011, 8:42 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
This game seems to get more and more random and unrealistic every time I check in on it.

Just saying.


I know what you mean...
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| February 22, 2011, 9:07 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I know what you mean...

So what are we doing that is so unrealistic other than some people deciding to quit and randomly skip countries while surrendering all of their former assets to an ally? Gee, I'd like that to happen to me...
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| February 22, 2011, 2:34 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So what are we doing that is so unrealistic other than some people deciding to quit and randomly skip countries while surrendering all of their former assets to an ally? Gee, I'd like that to happen to me...


I don't understand. I think you are trying to say that my criticism is very selective against only certain people, which is certainly not true. If I posted my gripes with everyone, not only would it look terrible for me, but it would also be pointless. I should have protested what Danny did but simultaneously I knew it would result in a major flame war (like apparently all of my posts cause...) so I did not object. I agreed with Danny for the point of Cliffe's return. I am skeptical that within days he would be able to get a super duper energy source from algae, and also skeptical that a country could base its entire economy off of energy production (oil countries dont count because they don't actually sell energy- just the oil). I am sorry that every time I pipe up it is always such a huge issue for you.
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| February 22, 2011, 2:41 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I don't understand. I think you are trying to say that my criticism is very selective against only certain people, which is certainly not true. If I posted my gripes with everyone, not only would it look terrible for me, but it would also be pointless. I should have protested what Danny did but simultaneously I knew it would result in a major flame war (like apparently all of my posts cause...) so I did not object. I agreed with Danny for the point of Cliffe's return. I am skeptical that within days he would be able to get a super duper energy source from algae, and also skeptical that a country could base its entire economy off of energy production (oil countries dont count because they don't actually sell energy- just the oil). I am sorry that every time I pipe up it is always such a huge issue for you.

No, not an issue at all. It was more of a diatribe against Danny, I responded to the wrong post...

Yeah, I do agree with that there are some odd energy concepts going around, that's why I stuck to oil.

Danny dug his own grave and either should have stuck it out, or when he switched, all of his stuff went away in the IU.
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| February 22, 2011, 2:53 pm
Quoting henry wang
Cuba's recent heightening of its military status, forces our second fleet and troops in the region to be alerted. This is just a precautionary move to prevent us being caught off guard in case of a Cuban sneak attack.

Another military deal has been struck up with The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We will be selling them the production rights to the F-35 D and the Challenger 3 (without Chobham armour). We will also be negotiating a defense pact with them, because of their importance to our economy, we will need them to be protected and safe indefinitely. So we will ask them if we can establish an airbase and naval base. The latter will be located near Al Qatif and the first will be located near Hail. Forces located there will only operate to defend the kingdom and its people.

Production of another 4 Hermes-Class Frigates, 1 Centaur-Class Destroyer, and 1 Recluse-Class Cruiser has been completed. The production of our third Falklands-Class Carrier is nearing completion as well.

Look backmin this or he lay ICF. I had begun negotiations with Saudi Arabia. Anyway, Brazil has a better relationship with them seeing how they have Brazilian equipment in their army. See wikipedia if you don't believe me.
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| February 22, 2011, 5:04 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Look backmin this or he lay ICF. I had begun negotiations with Saudi Arabia. Anyway, Brazil has a better relationship with them seeing how they have Brazilian equipment in their army. See wikipedia if you don't believe me.

I've been talking to them since way before this ICF, just look back. And, no, I actually provide more equipment than you do. Plus, Saudi Arabia, and Britain have had a long standing relationship since pre-WWII and have recently only grown closer because of the recent combat in the Middle East.

BTW here some evidence
Saudi Arabia has asked for 100 Challenger 3 (Without Chobham Armor of Course), 3 of our older frigates, and 20 Tornadoes. Parliament is currently voting whether or not to approve the deal. ICF VII


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| February 22, 2011, 5:15 pm
In the CDC, the Defense Department is looking to jumpstart the idle Modular Combat Uniform and BattleCom Integrated Defense System by setting a requirement that all radio communications equipment must be much more thoroughly encrypted. This is due to some controversy over an incident where an unnamed Radio Triangulation Officer was found to have been supposedly playing "Acid Rock" over a secure communications frequency, being broadcasted to a small civilian town in the outer Guantanamo area. This requirement will cover all radio communications equipment (the bulk of our communications), including those used by vehicles, aircraft, ships, infantry, and their corresponding command units.
Also, El Presidente is baffled by all of this arguement over Saudi Arabia, and doesn't understand at all why *anyone* would ever fight about such a trivial topic such as oil. Also, Gulf Petrol (a local corporation in the CDC), would like to announce a sale on our oil. For the next 2 days, any nation that signs a 6-month contract with us will receive a 5% discount on all purchases of crude and/or refined oil products. We would also like to take a moment to mention our autmobile emmissions filters, and their high durability.
*wink* *wink*
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| February 22, 2011, 5:20 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Look backmin this or he lay ICF. I had begun negotiations with Saudi Arabia. Anyway, Brazil has a better relationship with them seeing how they have Brazilian equipment in their army. See wikipedia if you don't believe me.


Whoever said that countries can only have one foreign ally?
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| February 22, 2011, 5:22 pm
Quoting henry wang
I've been talking to them since way before this ICF, just look back. And, no, I actually provide more equipment than you do. Plus, Saudi Arabia, and Britain have had a long standing relationship since pre-WWII and have recently only grown closer because of the recent combat in the Middle East.

Have it your way. You do notice that Britain had ties with about 60% of the world and they have nothing to do with Britain now. I don't want to cause an argument, so go on with your colonize-every-part-of-the-world ideas, I want nothing to do with them.
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| February 22, 2011, 5:23 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Have it your way. You do notice that Britain had ties with about 60% of the world and they have nothing to do with Britain now. I don't want to cause an argument, so go on with your colonize-every-part-of-the-world ideas, I want nothing to do with them.

I don't want to colonize them, I just want them to be protected so they can continue to sell me oil.
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| February 22, 2011, 5:25 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Whoever said that countries can only have one foreign ally?

If it was that way then America and China/Europe would be everyone's allies.
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| February 22, 2011, 5:26 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
If it was that way then America and China/Europe would be everyone's allies.


My point was that you cannot just say that someone can't take interest in another country because someone already has relations. Especially in Saudi Arabia's case, considering that no one in this world uses all renewable energy- everyone would be getting oil from Saudi Arabia.

I'm saying that both you and Henry are allowed to have relations with Saudi Arabia.
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| February 22, 2011, 5:28 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
If it was that way then America and China/Europe would be everyone's allies.

The US has embassies and/or other diplomatic ties with pretty much all recognized nations (and some ideological groups) on Earth.

URGENT NEWS UPDATE:
In a recent development near the Panama canal, marxist pirates have captured a Gulf Petrol oil tanker. A small group of operators from the I R.A.I.D. Squadron are being called back from their training station in the UK while negotiators try to buy them some time. It appears that with all this talk of oil, the rebels have gotten some bad ideas.
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| February 22, 2011, 5:30 pm
Argument disengage!
/Mario game over song

Quoting Avalella URGENT NEWS UPDATE:
In a recent development near the Panama canal, marxist pirates have captured a Gulf Petrol oil tanker. A small group of operators from the I R.A.I.D. Squadron are being called back from their training station in the UK while negotiators try to buy them some time. It appears that with all this talk of oil, the rebels have gotten some bad ideas.

Commie pirates off my shores! They shall die!
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| February 22, 2011, 5:43 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

With the Belize war over, peace has returned to Central America for the time. The Guatemalan Navy has conducted drills in the Pacific, along with focused effort on the Brigand-class for stepped-up production. She's now at about 70%. Due to past experience, several anti-missile units are being put around the drydocks there.

The WC Navy has looked hard at adapting Iron Fist to ship-sized systems under the name of 'Sealion.' Also, the former Brigand-class has been scrapped in Corpus Christi, and construction has started anew. A third one is about 85% complete in Houston's port works and awaits its electrical components.

PUSH-UP training for both the army and navy have been completed. Now both services can act in good coordination with each other if necessary.
Quoting Thomas N

So, without trying to be a troll or pester too much, did you get my FM?
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| February 22, 2011, 6:42 pm
Us in Alenia would offer to help with the pirate problem, but we realise that half the world probably thinks we're responsible for it, so we'll leave it to the rest of yer to clean up. And a cleanup will likely be required. Possibly also a coverup.
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| February 22, 2011, 7:05 pm
The Alaskan Airforce has officially promoted 12 selected pilots into the formation of the Arctic Eagle Elite Fighter Force. These pilots, flying custom-painted F-1 Blackfish fighters, represent the best of Alaska's airmanship and aerial skill. All of the "Arctic Eagles" have at least one combat kill, (our only fighter ace is also a member of the squadron) and have served as instructors for the Alaskan Airforce. These men were the ones responsible for teaching Blackfish pilots the strenghts and weaknesses of the machine and how to exploit them to gain an advantage over an enemy aircraft, and inventing a number of maneuvers unique to the Blackfish. Now that sufficient numbers of Blackfish pilots have been trained, the Arctic Eagle pilots have volunteered to return to combat-ready status. As more Alaskan pilots increase in skill, this squadron will expand, but likely at a rather slow rate.

The Navy's training effort has also concluded, having begun with my second post in this group. 89 elites graduated from the vigorous training, of the 400 who began. More soldiers are to begin training soon.
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| February 22, 2011, 7:41 pm
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The unwarranted attack on the Western Confederation's civilians is avenged! The WCHC has announced to the populace that the developing military might of the responsible powers have been nipped in the bud. Treachery will always be avenged, this must be crystal clear. We are sure morale will be raised.

I just love countries without strategic arms capabilities, or as I call them, "Easy pickings."

The WCHC also passes on its praise to the PCU for their good work on working over more bothersome foes!

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| February 22, 2011, 9:26 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
What seems most promising at this point is the bio-fuels industry. Large farms specifically for growing and harvesting bio-fuels are being planted. One is complete. Algae and alcohol-based fuels have already been successfully tested in automobiles, watercraft, and even piston-engined aircraft. Jet aircraft are to be tested in a few weeks.

Algae, with so many incredible uses, may sprout an industry all of its own. More on this later.

We would like to fund this project, assuming we'd be able to share the resulting technology.

I'll FM you. Thank you so much!
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| February 22, 2011, 9:39 pm
In response to the strike on the Cosmodrome and other Alenian space centers, a search and rescue team plus 500 skilled workers will be offered to be sent to Alenia to save anyone in need and salvage what is possible.
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| February 22, 2011, 9:46 pm
In recent news: any Western Confederation citizens found in Greater Alenia will be and are being summarily executed by being used as organ donors. This will serve the dual purpose of punishing the Confederation and providing replacement organs for those injured in such attacks.

We WILL retaliate. You will not know how, and you will not know when, until it is too late for you to react.


Schroedingers One through Five have been activated, and the nerve agents contained within are being transferred to applicable bases.

It is indeed fortunate for us that we do all our classified manufacturing in hidden underground bases.

In recent news: any Western Confederation citizens found in Greater Alenia will be and are being summarily executed by being used as organ donors. This will serve the dual purpose of punishing the Confederation and providing replacement organs for those injured in such attacks.

We WILL retaliate. You will not know how, and you will not know when, until it is too late for you to react.


Schroedingers One through Five have been activated, and the nerve agents contained within are being transferred to applicable bases.

It is indeed fortunate for us that we do all our classified manufacturing in hidden underground bases. I must say, it's amazing how effective certain systems are at hiding infrared emissions.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
In response to the strike on the Cosmodrome and other Alenian space centers, a search and rescue team plus 500 skilled workers will be offered to be sent to Alenia to save anyone in need and salvage what is possible.

There's only one space center, and it's in Baikonur. From now on we'll be doing our space launches from underground silos, so there will be no need to salvage the outdated Soviet era support equipment. It was overdue for replacement anyway.
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| February 22, 2011, 9:46 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
In recent news: any Western Confederation citizens found in Greater Alenia will be and are being summarily executed by being used as organ donors. This will serve the dual purpose of punishing the Confederation and providing replacement organs for those injured in such attacks.

I made it clear to the CM that there are not any of my citizens abroad. Perhaps you should make sure that they are indeed WC citizens before acting too drastically. If you find any that present WC credentials or identification, we would be most interested in finding out how they got them and who falsified them. Please mail them to us when you get them, thank you for your cooperation.
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| February 22, 2011, 9:52 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
No, not an issue at all. It was more of a diatribe against Danny, I responded to the wrong post...

Yeah, I do agree with that there are some odd energy concepts going around, that's why I stuck to oil.

Danny dug his own grave and either should have stuck it out, or when he switched, all of his stuff went away in the IU.

what?

My stuff stayed with the now China-influenced Indo Union. The only thing I'm taking with me is the Valkyrie, and the storyline is supposed to be that it was a joint-project between Uzbekistan and the Indo Union. I don't see what is so unrealistic about that.

I was mainly refering to the unrealisticness of this group when half the world was about to attack me for a reason I have yet to learn, but I am sure it's something to do with propaganda supplied by Nick.

Anyway, I switched countries because everyone kept saying I was a worthless nation and that I barely have the strength to defend my shores. That's why I switched to a country with a much better economy, or at least much better resources.
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| February 22, 2011, 10:08 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Anyway, I switched countries because everyone kept saying I was a worthless nation and that I barely have the strength to defend my shores. That's why I switched to a country with a much better economy, or at least much better resources.

And you handed China a sweat-heart deal and a golden key.

IF you were allowed to switch countries, the IU should have gone defunct and off the map.
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| February 22, 2011, 10:12 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And you handed China a sweat-heart deal and a golden key.

IF you were allowed to switch countries, the IU should have gone defunct and off the map.

why?
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| February 22, 2011, 10:15 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
why?

Why do you think it was perfectly acceptable the way you did it?
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| February 22, 2011, 10:16 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Why do you think it was perfectly acceptable the way you did it?


Because your friend Gober did the exact same thing in the last group.

China:
-Many things are being built.
-Many things are being done.
-The Emperor's Hand is ill, and does not have the energy to make big announcements at this moment. The Emperor himself is too busy with other things than to deal with international business.
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| February 22, 2011, 10:25 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Because your friend Gober did the exact same thing in the last group.

Unless I miss my guess, he died hard in Texas...
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| February 22, 2011, 10:27 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I've sent you an FM regarding production of your Arketer superbombers.
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| February 22, 2011, 10:31 pm
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I will be on holiday to Quebec until Sunday so I will not be on.

One last bit of nation building news...
While I am gone a very large scale live fire exercise shall be waged, testing all aspects of our military. Starting at midnight, the forces will be "scrambled" to the highest alert phase possible, and be forced to deal with rapidly changing simulated threats. The goal is to improve spontaneous reaction times and skills.

The first assembly lines for license produced F-27 fighter aircraft have been opened, and a production rate of about 5 per week is the expected rate of building.
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| February 22, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

I'd hoped the admirable restraint I showed considering my capabilities would be appreciated...

I do ask everyone to take notice of this. A country that is willing to use biological and nerve agents against one will be perfectly willing to use it against all.

Just so you know, I will be fighting your war for you.
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| February 22, 2011, 10:54 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Just so you know, I will be fighting your war for you.

Why thank you mister! ^_^

...

>_>
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| February 22, 2011, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Why thank you mister! ^_^

...

>_>

You are quite welcome.
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| February 22, 2011, 11:05 pm
Production of everything goes well.

Our military is currently asking BAE to help construct a new MBT that will be called the Contender. It will be a culmination of all of our upgrades of Chobham Armor, of weaponry, of defenses, and of technology in the tank. Hopefully prototypes will be rolling out by late next month.

Testing of the XA-37 is nearly complete, and the model will be revealed to the world tomorrow. So far it has proven to be effective in all of its intended roles.

Due to recent enlargement of our territories, our military will need to be a much more mobile force. To help make our marines and army more mobile, BAE has been tasked to design a new class of amphibious assault ship, capable of carrying around 1 40 strong tank battalion, or an equal amount of other equipment.

Negotiations with Saudi Arabia have also been completed, we will be allowed to build the planned military bases. The forces there will be capable of defending Saudi Arabia if a conflict were to arrise. Construction will comence immediately, and along with those bases, multiple advanced radar positions are being set up to detect aerial attacks against the kingdom. These will be integrated into their air defense batteries, but will remain operated by British soldiers, with the commander of each station being Saudi. For now we plan to station 2 squadrons of fighter interceptors and have a standing fleet of 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 3 cruisers, and 5 frigates. These will all be stationed in Saudi ports, but they will be commanded from 4th Fleet Headquarters in Diego Garcia.

Parliament is currently thinking about maintaining an additional Falklands-Class Carrier, this is so that each of our 4 fleets will be given a carrier. If construction is approved, it will also mean that we will need to allocate more escorts to further protect our capital ships.
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| February 22, 2011, 11:07 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Shouldn't you still have the Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier)

So are you going for 6, or are you getting rid of them?

I'm keeping them, but they will not be my main striking power, because of their decreased carrying capacity. Mainly I will maintain them to be stationed at non fleet headquarters ports. So if you were looking to buy them, sorry, but they are not for sale.
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| February 22, 2011, 11:43 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I'm not interested in buying them, I was just wondering how you planned to maintain 4 Nuclear supercariers along with both Queen Elizabeths.

Because currently, with the defense budget in Britain, they are struggling just to build those two...

I've cut a lot of government spending, basically no more universal healthcare, lower salaries for politicians, no more welfare, and higher taxes on big business. My people are quite happy with these cuts because A they recieve much cheaper and more reliable healthcare because it has been privitized. B they pay less taxes, but in the end the government gets more money. C because there is only 2% unemployment, so no real big need for welfare.

Eventually to cover an even larger budget, I will make colleges more affordable, and then get rid of a free or close to free college education.

Might I ask how your union is capable of sustaining 3 carriers? Because last I checked, none of the countries in your union have ever built an aircraft carrier. Plus, all of your countries only have decent at best defense budgets. (Germany being you're best ranked #6) Not to mention you're countries do seem to have raised government spending.
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| February 22, 2011, 11:52 pm
Somewhere off of Panama...
The CDC Navy's I Fleet has surrounded the captured Gulf Petrol tanker, and as El Presidente decided to personally sit in for the upcoming negotiations, he was on board one of the Type-42 Guided Missile Destroyers when negotiations began to go south. The pirates seemed to be very nervous, and hastily fired a rocket propelled grenade at the ship when they weren't getting their way with the negotiators. Although the shot was completely off, and nobody was injured, El Presidente was furious. He took a megaphone from one of the negotiators, and began shouting profanities at the pirates, stating that if they ever tried anything like that again, he would "blow you f***ing pieces of s*** to the bottom of the godd**** f***ing ocean". A crewman immediately took the megaphone from his hands, however not before a reporter could get that on camera. It is expected that commandos will board the ship tomorrow afternoon, in broad daylight, because El Presidente says it will show them that "we're not f***ing around". A Public Relations official from his cabinet is being flown out to the fleet to keep an eye on El Presidente, and make sure he doesn't get the CDC into a war before this situation is over. Nobody on board the ship was able to comment.
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| February 23, 2011, 12:12 am
Quoting Thomas N

So what I'm getting out of this is that now the government owns once free business. So now basically all I can see from this is that since your government is now beginning to regulate more and more, I cannot see your economy growing into #2 because of excess regulation and because you basically siezed 2 companies and turned them into the government, and this is in shipping alone, I have no idea what you have done in other industries. Plus, I think I will be the world #1 supplier of arms and the banking capital of the world. Meaning that most likely like america before me, this will propel me to be at least the #2 or #3 economy. Not to mention that since my currency has recently been stabalized, many countries will invest in it, leading to even larger income. Plus, my defense spending is more than yours, meaning I have more money to startout with.

And yes, how is Australia doing that?
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| February 23, 2011, 12:14 am
No aircraft flying from the WC will be allowed in, and no aircraft will be allowed to fly to the WC, in response to it's blatant provocation of a religious war. All WC citizens in Spain will be detained(And enough with the no citizens abroad farce. It's winter, and tourism is high in warm places.) We can assure that they will be safe in our hands and will not be executed. They will stay in hotel rooms 24/7 under watch of infantry. Further details withheld.
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| February 23, 2011, 12:23 am
Ok, first, how come the PCU is attacking me in the first place?
Second, how come he destroyed non-existent factories? I haven't actually got round to building them yet.
Third, how would he even know where the construction sites are?

You see, this is why I think this game has gotten so unrealistic and ret___ded, Nick has taken over an old grudge (apparently he was displeased with the Indo Union) into a completely new and unrelated nation.
That my friends, is called acting irrationally and impulsively, because game wise, the PCU has absolutely no reason attack me. If this continues, I will kill as many of the PCUs civvies as I can in the most inhumane way possible, and I don't really care what 'other nations' think or how they react or even what they will do in revenge. I've had it with this game.

Anywayz, the reason I've been a lot less active is because of my new 23rd Century Universe game, just to let you guys know.
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| February 23, 2011, 4:04 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Third, how would he even know where the construction sites are?

With his 1337 magic sp!3z. I'm probably the only one in the group who micromanages his intelligence operatives beyond "I send spies to X."
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| February 23, 2011, 6:03 am
Quoting Thomas N

Well that's basically the same thing, you just sugar coated it. But all in all, you took a once private business, and added a lot of government regulation and oversight. And, just because you have a higher GDP, doesn't mean you can say that you have a higher defense budget because the two have little to do with each other. Or at least I hope, you haven't turned all of your GDP into defense spending because that would basically mean you wouldn't have an economy.

Plus, have fun trying to realistically sell a higher defense budget in a bunch of European countries including Germany, where the people will not accept such huge defense expenditures.

And do the math correctly, your still a only a bit more than 4/5 of the GDP of Japan. Not to mention that your GDP will most likely be decreased because of the lack of a stable America and China because your economy imports a lot of products to those two countries. So basically its, Japan, you, and me. China got knocked out because #1 China's manufacturing industry took huge hits because America is gone and he's in a civil war so most likely many companies would not buy from him because it's not safe. #2 he's been at constant war, so he spent a lot of money doing that.

Now, let's just get off the topic, because we can both afford all of the military spending that we have done already, and we still have much more money to spend on future projects.
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| February 23, 2011, 10:10 am
Quoting henry wang
Now, let's just get off the topic, because we can both afford all of the military spending that we have done already, and we still have much more money to spend on future projects.

Yeah, we ALL have enough money to buy whatever equipment we want. Especially me.
;)
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| February 23, 2011, 11:33 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
No aircraft flying from the WC will be allowed in, and no aircraft will be allowed to fly to the WC, in response to it's blatant provocation of a religious war. All WC citizens in Spain will be detained(And enough with the no citizens abroad farce. It's winter, and tourism is high in warm places.) We can assure that they will be safe in our hands and will not be executed. They will stay in hotel rooms 24/7 under watch of infantry. Further details withheld.

I. Don't. Have. Any. Citizens. Abroad. For. You. To. Detain.

I don't think travel plays a part at all in this game. Domestic travel, yes. International, not at all.
1. I told the CM specifically that none of my citizens were or are abroad so they could not be taken advantage of.
2. I don't think that in this topsy-turvy world that international travel would be at all advisable.

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| February 23, 2011, 1:32 pm
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Because of the dire economic sanctions upon Poland by Germany, many Belorussian and Russian private businesses alike have been noted as to flooding the Polish shelves with their goods. Although the Union State's respective government understands the political situation and outcry, there isn't much we can do against private businesses striking very profitable deals with the Polish government and its people respectively. The only weapon we have against the fluctuation of goods would to heavily tax our exports, but that would of course cause labor disruptions because of lax paychecks. Presently, the Union State is at a loss as to how to neutralize these capitalistic gains.

In other news, the Defense Ministry is densely studying new logistical doctrines and of course the accompanying equipment to make the former happen. Future contracted vehicle designs are based upon pure function and efficiency. The load capacities for all future logistical transports should equate to one-and-a-half times that of their predecessors, if not more, and be capable of burning alternative fuels to conserve energy coasts while in theatre. In the long run, we hope to keep the vehicles in service for longer periods of time and with fewer maintenance costs, all the while reducing our footprint abroad. It would seem aspiring contracts are already being edited for sign-off.

Still on the defense notion, Russia is the in process of finalizing arms sells with Qatar, Iraq, and Kuwait [almost all of them formerly pro-Western in purchases, but now requiring cheaper products]. Of little surprise, the ethnically diverse Iraq is the major buyer of the three deals. It would seem that the possibility of civil clashes [democratic growing pains, mind you] requires them to boost their armored transport reserves. Their respective government is looking at buying at least 60 BMP-3s, 30 BMO-Ts, 30 BTR-Ts, and various other medium to light vehicle classes. Qatar and Kuwait are mainly buying BMP-3s as a means to keep their parts inventory mostly centralized upon one common vehicle. All of the units being sold off have been stripped of filters and communication devices, but retain full combat-ability otherwise by means of structural integrity and the like.

Finally on note of recent Byzantine aggressions, the Union State finds the redundancy of their present stance laughable. Still, we expect things to heat up quite quickly and thus artillery positions are being heavily dug-in along the peninsula's border. If push comes to shove, Byzantine forces shouldn't, more the case won't, be able to press any deeper into the now not-so-civilly divided Ukraine. We have also contracted local PMCs to gather routine intel and to do internal reconnaissance within the occupation zone(s); so have fun with that, Evan.
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| February 23, 2011, 2:22 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Unless I miss my guess, he died hard in Texas...


Actually, first Nick destroyed his fleet when Gober was Iran, causing him to quit for a Texas rebellion, and then destroyed Gober when he was a Texas rebel.

Quoting henry wang
And do the math correctly, your still a only 4/5 of the GDP of Japan. So basically its, Japan, you, and me. China got knocked out because #1 China's manufacturing industry took huge hits because America is gone and he's in a civil war so most likely many companies would not buy from him because it's not safe. #2 he's been at constant war, so he spent a lot of money doing that.


I think you may be right. With the civil war and the Pacific War over (and only the little operation in Tibet left), we can focus back in on economy.
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| February 23, 2011, 3:21 pm
In the CDC, work on the BattleCom Integrated Defense Network is going nicely. We are nearing completion of the Ground Attack project, and the product has been dubbed the A-15 Raya. Several prototypes have been ordered, and we hope to produce enough to outfit 2 Ground Attack squadrons, with 24 planes each. Also, the III Armored Division (currently stationed outside of Sofia)is going on medium 25% alert status. Troops will have their equipment prepped, however they will be allowed to normally move about their bases.
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| February 23, 2011, 5:07 pm
Quoting Thomas N

What I really want to know is how Australia maintains several carriers.

Well, its not totally impossible because we only have two. I never implied that we had more than two. We do have other amphibious assault ships, submarines, etc. But not in high quantity. All shipbuilding has ceased anyway, because of no more military operations right now.
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| February 23, 2011, 5:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I. Don't. Have. Any. Citizens. Abroad. For. You. To. Detain.

I don't think travel plays a part at all in this game. Domestic travel, yes. International, not at all.
1. I told the CM specifically that none of my citizens were or are abroad so they could not be taken advantage of.
2. I don't think that in this topsy-turvy world that international travel would be at all advisable.

No citizens abroad... GDR, much? :P
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| February 23, 2011, 7:41 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Arketers?
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| February 23, 2011, 7:48 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
In other news, the Defense Ministry is densely studying new logistical doctrines and of course the accompanying equipment to make the former happen. Future contracted vehicle designs are based upon pure function and efficiency. The load capacities for all future logistical transports should equate to one-and-a-half times that of their predecessors, if not more, and be capable of burning alternative fuels to conserve energy coasts while in theatre. In the long run, we hope to keep the vehicles in service for longer periods of time and with fewer maintenance costs, all the while reducing our footprint abroad. It would seem aspiring contracts are already being edited for sign-off.

If you're willing, Egypt can strike a deal with you concerning alternate energy sources. Our biofuels industry needs a little bit more of a push to get it into full swing, and we're thinking a big ol' deal with mother Russia might just do it. FM me if you're interested.
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| February 23, 2011, 7:50 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Actually, first Nick destroyed his fleet when Gober was Iran, causing him to quit for a Texas rebellion, and then destroyed Gober when he was a Texas rebel.


Actually Iran was a joke. I had an over-sized military and played the role of a crazy Islamic Dictator bent on conquering the Middle East. I was not serious as Nick was is conquering the world. As for the Texas rebellion, the admins conveniently came up with that one on their own. Cliffe said he was planning it before I quit.
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| February 23, 2011, 8:00 pm
The Pharaoh frowns upon the economic policies of the United Kingdom. Bad things happen when free enterprise goes unregulated...

Also, he is slightly saddened at the loss of universal healthcare in the United Kingdom, as he would be with any nation. We only hope that monopolies do not arise. That's when the manipulation starts. :/ But it's not really our right to meddle or anything, so meh. Oh well.
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| February 23, 2011, 8:07 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Arketers?


Build one if you can.

Quoting Will G.
Actually Iran was a joke. I had an over-sized military and played the role of a crazy Islamic Dictator bent on conquering the Middle East. I was not serious as Nick was is conquering the world. As for the Texas rebellion, the admins conveniently came up with that one on their own. Cliffe said he was planning it before I quit.


Ah yes, a joke. Of course.

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| February 23, 2011, 8:14 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Build one if you can.

Quoting Will G.
Actually Iran was a joke. I had an over-sized military and played the role of a crazy Islamic Dictator bent on conquering the Middle East. I was not serious as Nick was is conquering the world. As for the Texas rebellion, the admins conveniently came up with that one on their own. Cliffe said he was planning it before I quit.


Ah yes, a joke. Of course.

You seem to be...
Sarcastic.
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| February 23, 2011, 9:11 pm
The first A-37 was produced today, they are meant to replace all of our current F-35 As and will serve in the navy as strike aircraft. There will be 120 ordered for the RAF and 90 for the navy, 15 of which will be EC variants. So each Falklands-Class Carrier will have 60 F-302s, 5 EC-37s, and 25 A-37s. There will be 60 A-37s built per week and 50 F-302s built each week. We will attain this high production rate because of our numerous amount of aircraft manufacturing facilities.
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| February 23, 2011, 9:19 pm
Being new to this group I am interested in creating good relations with all of the countries in the region and building economic and military strength.
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| February 23, 2011, 9:37 pm
Quoting C A
Being new to this group I am interested in creating good relations with all of the countries in the region and building economic and military strength.

The Commonwealth would like to welcome the new ruler of Saudi Arabia to the group, and we wish to have some sort of trade agreement and defensive agreement with your country and ours.
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| February 23, 2011, 10:01 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Commonwealth would like to welcome the new ruler of Saudi Arabia to the group, and we wish to have some sort of trade agreement and defensive agreement with your country and ours.

Ya that would be very benificial to both our countries.
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| February 23, 2011, 10:07 pm
Quoting C A
Being new to this group I am interested in creating good relations with all of the countries in the region and building economic and military strength.

Welcome, old friend! I hope we will have much to share. If your economy needs a little push like mine does, we could help each other out. I have all kinds of awesome ideas for things in this group.

Also, get a sweater or a jacket, there's a cold war going on. :P
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| February 23, 2011, 10:22 pm
Quoting C A
Being new to this group I am interested in creating good relations with all of the countries in the region and building economic and military strength.

The CDC would love to set up relations with your country, and we invite you to set up an embassy here in Cuba.
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| February 23, 2011, 10:41 pm
Quoting C A
Ya that would be very benificial to both our countries.

Need a little Southern hospitality? Look no further than the Eastern Confederation.
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| February 23, 2011, 10:44 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, get a sweater or a jacket, there's a cold war going on. :P

Oh, it'll heat up eventually. Just as soon as I get the factories spun up.
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| February 23, 2011, 10:48 pm
Alaska and Egypt have signed a peace agreement regarding the current cold war. Our forces will not fire upon each other even in times when we are assisting our allies in conflict against each other.
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| February 23, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Oh, it'll heat up eventually. Just as soon as I get the factories spun up.

You know what, you're right... :/
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| February 23, 2011, 10:54 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You know what, you're right... :/

Well, if you're talking about the me/Ultra one, anyway.
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| February 23, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Hey Awe, just asking on behalf of both the good Doctor and I if you wouldn't mind modding the little tussle that is brewing over the Crimea.


Under other circumstances, I'd agree, but I've been under the weather lately (immune system failed again), and I don't feel up to such a big task. Sorry.

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| February 23, 2011, 11:32 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The hangars are back up on Midway. The old flag was found at the bottom of the lagoon, it was only half there, but it has flown proudly since the reconstruction began. The SAC commander has turned down offers for newer flags, this one is theirs, none other can replace it. A 25 by 48 foot WC flag has been painted on the far end of the runway so it can be clearly seen by all (even by satellite). Given the vindictive nature of certain nations in the past, it has not been placed in the center as it is sure to be a priority target in another attack.

Project Kiska is underway as well. The merchant fleet from Guatemala has landed there today. We will be constructing a large naval anchorage there. More or less of a Gibraltar. It will serve in a coalition sense in the mutual defense of the Alaskan Island chain.

With the threat of chemical weapons terrorism on the horizon, the WCHC is looking at alternatives for strategic defense that are not as costly as ballistic missiles. Effective as they are, the WC could not afford the continued indiscriminate use of these tools. A newer, long-range strategic bomber is also on the drawing board (along with everything else... oye, vey, I need to get building).

Everything else is being produced at a reasonable rate. The M80 30mm is being changed to 35mm.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Alaska and Egypt have signed a peace agreement regarding the current cold war. Our forces will not fire upon each other even in times when we are assisting our allies in conflict against each other.

Well, that could be awkward...

Quoting Evan Melick
Alrighty, although the conflict isn't going to expand past a few thousand troops running around the Crimea. Tom, would you mind CMing?

Who's going to replace Tom? We found in the old group that one man can't handle the whole world. I don't think Alenia and I are quite finished, even though I am.
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| February 23, 2011, 11:42 pm
Quoting C A
Being new to this group I am interested in creating good relations with all of the countries in the region and building economic and military strength.


My good boy, if you have any need on reliable shipping look no further than Spain's navy-run Armada Shipping! With new, modern tankers being close to finished and assistance of an armed escort in times of war, your oil will reach all 4 corners of the globe without a problem!
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| February 24, 2011, 12:20 am
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Quoting C A
Ya that would be very benificial to both our countries.

My civil engineers have quite a bit of experience in oil drilling lately, I'd be more than happy to send a team or two over to assist in expanding your horizons!
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| February 24, 2011, 12:23 am
Tom, did you get my Flickr Message?
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| February 24, 2011, 12:35 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, get a sweater or a jacket, there's a cold war going on. :P

I'd suggest a heated bomb shelter. The sweater won't do you much good when he|| breaks loose. >.>


Anyway, Alaska's completed installation of two new missile systems for the F-1 Blackfish, one air to air and one air to surface.

Alaska has began production of Iron Fist systems, as well as a larger version, after recieving the go-ahead from the W.C. We'll install this technology on our military ships first. The ship-based defense system, designated "Seawolf" is nearly ten times as big, with over ten times the effective range.

Patrol along our Aleutian border has been significantly increased to detect any potential terrorist activity. Ya can't be too carefull with backpack-nuke armed lunatics... >.>

Any ship, aircraft, or anything of the sort that does not respond to Military communication/warning will be shot down with no hesitation.

Garcia Aircraft Industries has completed yet another manufacturing facility. Production of airplanes will be much faster now, and allows for more room for experimental designs and wind tunnels and the like.

Scientists have been sent to Egypt, as well as funds, to study the process of biofuel production and begin producing it here as well.
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| February 24, 2011, 2:33 pm
Uzbeki-land has officially declared it's new name:
The CESN (Coalition of Ex-soviet Nations). It can still be called Uzbeki-land, but the CESN is it's official name.

In other news:
- we would like to make it clear that just because we are allies with the Indo-Union, doesn't mean you need to attack just because the Indo Union has or had conflicts with you. I may be the same player, but I am a new nation now, starting afresh.
- any other unprovoked attacks on Uzbeki-land by any American nation will result in that nation suffering almost immediately after your attack, this is not supposed to be a threat or blackmail, I'm just giving you Americans a heads up.
- we are now repairing the A7 StormHawk factories which we just begun laying the foundations for. Thankfully, the PCU attacked too soon to do much damage, as we had only just begun laying the foundations, so they only put us back a week or so. For the peace of mind of the builders, we have towed in a couple of AAA turret to the construction sites, but we doubt the PCU will attack us now, least not after the warning I just gave.
- in the meantime, while we build the proper factories, we have upgraded the machinery of a couple of factories that produced planes no longer in use. Our upgrades meant these factories can now produce A7 StormHawks at a slow rate, but at a rate never the less. In fact, the first one (excluding the prototype) has just rolled off the line today, and the next one should be finished some time tomorrow or the next day.

That's all for now.
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| February 24, 2011, 8:24 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Plans are being drafted for consideration for the laying to waste of a certain Asian country that will go unnamed for the time being. Speaking of which, reports are filtering in of suspected Alenian activities on the continent; they are being looked into and will be taken care of.

Citizens are edgy pretty much everywhere, but thankful that something has been done about the travesty of a misguided country.

The YB-3 'Brigain' has been ordered off the drawing board for requirements of a stealth strategic bomber. It will pretty much be a stealth version of the amazing Rockwell Vigilante.

Other projects are going forward with good pace, as always...

Quoting Danny Morgan
Thankfully, the PCU attacked too soon to do much damage, as we had only just begun laying the foundations, so they only put us back a week or so.

You might have to arm wrestle Tom for that one...
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| February 24, 2011, 8:54 pm
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Yes! For once in my military career in this group, everything went my way! Now, on to phase two...

I truly regret the hospital, but hopefully there weren't many emergency cases in such a small town.
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| February 24, 2011, 10:00 pm
What is it with Cliffe's stuff that makes people want to steal it? I mean, really. First the Hyperfalcons and now the Super War Chariot. You know, it'd probably be cheaper to just buy them from him.
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| February 24, 2011, 10:09 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Funzies. Bleh.

Le pwnt.

Sponty: 1
Evan: 0

In other news, due to expected losses during the Crimean Campaign, Sukhoi factories and several privately owned subsidiaries have ramped up production to one-and-half to two aircraft a week. MiG is following en suite with the MiG-67 hopefully meeting the two aircraft mark after the factories have completed re-tooling by the end of next week.

APS modules for medium armour and other vehicles of the similar weight classes shall be put into mass production. Because the modules only contain four pieces [detection, munition, stalk, and interface], putting out the units should be an easy task with the correct amount of scheduling and organization. By mid-summer, all medium to heavy vehicles should have their own active protection.
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| February 24, 2011, 10:16 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Did any units pass over my land in Mexico?
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| February 24, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
What is it with Cliffe's stuff that makes people want to steal it? I mean, really. First the Hyperfalcons and now the Super War Chariot. You know, it'd probably be cheaper to just buy them from him.

The way he produces them, they ought to be a dime a dozen.
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| February 24, 2011, 11:26 pm
Wait, why did Ultra and Brikkr attack Nick? I thought they suddenly became best buddies or something. Ultra even made a statue showing the WC and the PCU united as brothers or something...
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| February 24, 2011, 11:26 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Wait, why did Ultra and Brikkr attack Nick? I thought they suddenly became best buddies or something. Ultra even made a statue showing the WC and the PCU united as brothers or something...

I never specified the conditions under which it would unite the American people. I still intend to finish that statue.
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| February 24, 2011, 11:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine . conditions

Lol.
But that still doesn't answer the question, why are you attacking him? A few weeks ago I wouldn't believe I would say this, but Im more in support of you than him, but still have no intention of getting involved, or making allies with anyone just yet.
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| February 24, 2011, 11:55 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Lol.
But that still doesn't answer the question,

The world may never know fully.

Other than to say that Mexico is not the place for Alenian operatives just now.
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| February 25, 2011, 12:10 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
The world may never know fully.

Other than to say that Mexico is not the place for Alenian operatives just now.

FMed
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| February 25, 2011, 12:20 am
Kicking Nick while he's down without internets? Way to go.
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| February 25, 2011, 12:27 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
The way he produces them, they ought to be a dime a dozen.

Well, now they've been Wikileak'd, they probably will be.

Quoting Ultramarine .
The world may never know fully.

Other than to say that Mexico is not the place for Alenian operatives just now.

I know nobody ever believes this, but I have no quarrel with Mexico. Unless Awe asks nicely, because Awe's awesome and because he's done me a few favours in the past.
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| February 25, 2011, 12:42 am
I'll be gone this weekend and would request that all attacks on my land be withheld until I can get back. Thank You. Now I'm off to D.C.
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| February 25, 2011, 6:12 am
Due to recent design-hacking, security has been dramatically increased with our aircraft and missile designs. We've set it up so that in the event someone tries to steal it, the file is mutated in the process of internet upload so it is no longer accurate.

More crazy designs are brewing in Garcia Blackwork's test site... *cough cough Tom? Yes/No?
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| February 25, 2011, 11:08 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
I know nobody ever believes this, but I have no quarrel with Mexico. Unless Awe asks nicely, because Awe's awesome and because he's done me a few favours in the past.

I won't think little of your intelligence, you know what I'm talking about...

Quoting Jack Ford
Due to recent design-hacking, security has been dramatically increased with our aircraft and missile designs. We've set it up so that in the event someone tries to steal it, the file is mutated in the process of internet upload so it is no longer accurate.

That is why I isolated all my important computers from the WWW weeks ago...
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| February 25, 2011, 11:31 am
Egypt now issues an open declaration of war against the Western Confederation and its ally Brazil for its unprovoked second invasion of our strong ally the Pacific Union.

You have NO IDEA what you have coming for you now. >:)
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| February 25, 2011, 6:07 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You have NO IDEA what you have coming for you now. >:)

If it's anything like what was in the last group, I do, and I'm not all that impressed.

Getting back to the real world (touchy subject, I know) but why would Egypt have an alliance with an American power?
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| February 25, 2011, 7:19 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
If it's anything like what was in the last group, I do, and I'm not all that impressed.

Getting back to the real world (touchy subject, I know) but why would Egypt have an alliance with an American power?

You will be.

Oh yes, you will be...

Why an alliance with Jack? Economy, my boi. He's helping fund my biofuels industry. Plus, he's a great old friend of mine. We were allies back in RA-CAS-UEN and 21st Century.

Why an alliance with the Pacific Union? Because of their great civil rights, the help they're giving to us, their bases in Egypt, my bases in his territory in the pacific, and we're great friends.
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| February 25, 2011, 7:36 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Cliffe, where did you get the maritime amphibious capacity to get any significant force the ten thousand miles or so to the beaches of the WC?

I'm answering no questions. I'm not giving anything away anymore. If I told you, The enemy would be prepared.
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| February 25, 2011, 7:39 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Why an alliance with the Pacific Union? Because of their great civil rights...

Their whats? Since when does Egypt give a darn about civil rights?
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| February 25, 2011, 7:51 pm
The fleet and aircraft intended to be stationed in Saudi Arabia prior to the establishment of its new government will be sent to South Africa, along with an additional 2 fighter interceptor and 1 fighter bomber squadron.

Our nation is currently not going to enter the 3rd American Civil War, this does not mean that we will not act if certain events play out.

Our final Hermes-Class Frigates have been completed, but Parliament has approved the purchase of an addition 4 of each class along with 4 more destroyers and the additional aircraft carrier that was mentioned before.
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| February 25, 2011, 7:57 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You will be.

Oh yes, you will be...

Why an alliance with Jack? Economy, my boi. He's helping fund my biofuels industry. Plus, he's a great old friend of mine. We were allies back in RA-CAS-UEN and 21st Century.

Why an alliance with the Pacific Union? Because of their great civil rights, the help they're giving to us, their bases in Egypt, my bases in his territory in the pacific, and we're great friends.

Great civil rights? Excuse me, but I think that I have upheld better civil rights than Nick.
Nick has his state religion as Southern Baptist. His state sport is gen0cide. He is extremely r@cist, and has br@inwashed his citizens since 2013. What have I done? I authorize uses of some methods of t0rture on terr0rists.
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| February 25, 2011, 8:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Why an alliance with the Pacific Union? Because of their great civil rights...

Their whats? Since when does Egypt give a darn about civil rights?

Since the middle east (and Islam) became more liberal after the 2011 revolutions and even more so after my government moved in and the new religion (Islam is still a majority, but so is Atenism).
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| February 25, 2011, 8:19 pm
Quoting Will G.
Great civil rights? Excuse me, but I think that I have upheld better civil rights than Nick.
Nick has his state religion as Southern Baptist. His state sport is gen0cide. He is extremely r@cist, and has br@inwashed his citizens since 2013. What have I done? I authorize uses of some methods of t0rture on terr0rists.

You know his supposed r@cism is a satirical joke, right?

And while his citizens may be politically brainwashed, which I frown upon, they are free to do whatever they want with their own bodies. So I'm told, at least. Just look at his Nation States account.
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| February 25, 2011, 8:31 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Cliffe no one has practiced that religion since the 12th century BC. >.>

I mean heck I know how to romanticize about the past, I'm a reborn quasi Byzantine Empire, and you know I don't want to sit here and nag about hating on people for having their fun, but you just changed the biggest demographic in the de-facto central Arab nation...

Hey, it's half and half, Arab and Atenist. Atenism is monotheistic, so it's easy to adjust to, PLUS it has the allure of being the world's first monotheistic relgion. Even further, a lot of them are Muslo-Atenists- they combine elements of Islam with elements of Atenism. There are even a few Christeo-Atenists and Judeo-Atenists.
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| February 25, 2011, 8:34 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Great civil rights? Excuse me, but I think that I have upheld better civil rights than Nick.
Nick has his state religion as Southern Baptist. His state sport is gen0cide. He is extremely r@cist, and has br@inwashed his citizens since 2013. What have I done? I authorize uses of some methods of t0rture on terr0rists.


That was last group. Nick's official religion is now different. He supports r@cism, but not gen0cide, or at least in action, and it was me who br@inwashed the people in 2013, not Nick. Nick took over when I got "killed."

Anyways: China is most disappoint with the WC's actions. Consider our cease-fire broken. Alenia, help, you want it? It's yours my friend.
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| February 25, 2011, 8:37 pm
CDC military units, already mobilized by practice exercises, are being issued live ammunition. All units are being put on 75% alert, and all vehicles are being refueled, maintenance, and oiled. All naval vessels are heading back to port for refueling and rearming, and to receive some short maintenance work before shipping out again. All buildings over 15 stories tall (in most major cities), will serve as hosts for Anti Aircraft batteries (with consent of building owners), and all air raid shelters are being prepared. While El Presidente has not made any large diplomatic moves just yet, he is urging the people to stay calm, and relax.
In other news...
In a covert operation this evening, 20 R.A.I.D. operators inserted onto the captured oil tanker, lethally dispatched all but 2 of the Marxist rebel pirates, and rescued all hostages. The 2 surviving pirates have been sent to the mainland (Cuba) for thorough interrogation. Currently, we have made a deal with the pirates. The first commie to give us the most viable information regarding their affiliate groups will be spared, while the other will be put on trial for a slew of war crimes, unless they can provide double the information as the other pirate. The other prisoner will be sentenced to a 25 year term in a labor camp.
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| February 25, 2011, 8:39 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Hey, it's half and half, Arab and Atenist. Atenism is monotheistic, so it's easy to adjust to, PLUS it has the allure of being the world's first monotheistic relgion. Even further, a lot of them are Muslo-Atenists- they combine elements of Islam with elements of Atenism. There are even a few Christeo-Atenists and Judeo-Atenists.

Granted Islam is a very conservative religion in terms of etiquette and practice, I highly doubt any religious liberalization will take place in half the practicing population. Regardless of new governing bodies, Islamic pressure in terms of text interpretation and the like will remain as a separate body. A dead and failed religion like Atenism is likely to stay in the history books and be practiced as a minority rather than as a majority. If anything, your governing body would likely bring in more agnosticism rather than religious alteration and polarization granted you're attempting to bring in the grand ol' age of technology; a catalyst for not giving a rat's tail about anything superior than the individual.
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| February 25, 2011, 8:47 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Consider our cease-fire broken. Alenia, help, you want it? It's yours my friend.

Oh? What did I do to you?
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| February 25, 2011, 8:58 pm
Quoting Evan Melick

Okay, so they're both monotheistic. You could say half of Egypt decided to become Christian, after all, it's the same God right?

I just don't see how such a religious people would up and decide to convert to something totally outside the Abrahamic family of religions, even if it is some sort of hybrid. Especially over the next twenty years, people numbering in the tens of millions will just decide to up and change the practices they have held dear for close to, if not a bit under 1200 years, for a religion that was practiced for twenty years and then banished from written memory. Heck, the current population of Egypt isn't even ethnically and racially close to those that inhabited the region during the reign of the Pharaohs.

By all means, do what you want I guess, but I just see no way you can socially justify the mass conversion of tens of million of people, especially those as socially conservative as the Arab world, even post Jasmine Revolution.

It's only a few milllion... not that many.

And, like I said, Islam is still the majority. Atenism is quite large and rising, but still only about 35% representative.
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| February 25, 2011, 9:07 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh? What did I do to you?


Attacking my ally, while he's got zero access to internet, no less. A clever move, to say the least.
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| February 25, 2011, 9:07 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
If anything, your governing body would likely bring in more agnosticism rather than religious alteration and polarization granted you're attempting to bring in the grand ol' age of technology; a catalyst for not giving a rat's tail about anything superior than the individual.

WHOA.

That's all about half true. Agnosticism is also widespread, but technology causing importance of the individual? No way. I see it completely differently. In our schools we educate or children to know that social Darwinism and individualism is looked down upon by the government, but that you can believe in it (or anything you want) if you want to. It's just something we consider... "evil."
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| February 25, 2011, 9:12 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Attacking my ally, while he's got zero access to internet, no less. A clever move, to say the least.

He did leave you in charge. I knew you'd break your little 'cease-fire' as quickly as you'd made it. But I thought you said I was Nick's problem now and not yours?
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| February 25, 2011, 9:13 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Attacking my ally, while he's got zero access to internet, no less. A clever move, to say the least.

To defend our brother! CHAAAAARGE
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| February 25, 2011, 9:17 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Egypt now issues an open declaration of war against the Western Confederation and its ally Brazil for its unprovoked second invasion of our strong ally the Pacific Union.

You have NO IDEA what you have coming for you now. >:)

It's one 'a dem wahr churiots run for yer life!
<.<
>.>

Quoting Kaiser Pharoah Cliffe something about Jack being your ally...

You do realize that he just was fighting a war with Nick AND He's just funding your biofuel research.

Your declaration of war will not go unheard, my friend, far from it.
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| February 25, 2011, 9:33 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
He did leave you in charge. I knew you'd break your little 'cease-fire' as quickly as you'd made it. But I thought you said I was Nick's problem now and not yours?


And then I promptly got sick for the week, as I announced.

Did you honestly expect me to stand by and do nothing while my friend is attacked? You're one shining example of exceptionalism, my good sir.

I may have said that, but I don't remember.
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| February 25, 2011, 9:34 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
In our schools we educate or children to know that social Darwinism and individualism is looked down upon by the government, but that you can believe in it (or anything you want) if you want to. It's just something we consider... "evil."

So you're eliminating people like me? Well played, sir.

In other news, Russia and the recently combine states of Saudi Arabia and the UAE have begun talks of a joint commerce program offering industrialization in return for the ever-precious black gold; oil in other words. More news later.
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| February 25, 2011, 9:38 pm
In Egyptian bases, AA has been put on full alert. Fighter patrols will be maintained daily across Egypt, all of our overseas bases, and any shipping lanes in range of our aircraft. Cataracts along the Nile are also heavily guarded now. Our eyes are on the skies and one the seas.
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| February 25, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Alright, I still say 35% is still an insane number, but it's not a world altering event. Whatevah.

20% is all I'm going. Is it better?

I feel like I'm haggling. :P
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| February 25, 2011, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And then I promptly got sick for the week, as I announced.

Oh, well, I honestly hope you get well soon!

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Did you honestly expect me to stand by and do nothing while my friend is attacked?

I was sort of hoping you would, yes.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I may have said that, but I don't remember.

You did. But then again, what can one expect from a country like China? At least I was no simpleton and did something about that during the lull, which you shall find out soon...
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| February 25, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
So you're eliminating people like me? Well played, sir.

In other news, Russia and the recently combine states of Saudi Arabia and the UAE have begun talks of a joint commerce program offering industrialization in return for the ever-precious black gold; oil in other words. More news later.

Not eliminating, them but discouraging them. :P And thank you.
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| February 25, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
It's one 'a dem wahr churiots run for yer life!
<.<
>.>

Quoting Kaiser Pharoah Cliffe something about Jack being your ally...

You do realize that he just was fighting a war with Nick AND He's just funding your biofuel research.

Your declaration of war will not go unheard, my friend, far from it.

Lulz.

I'm really wondering who stole that chariot...
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| February 25, 2011, 10:08 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


I'll be better soon enough, they got me taking pills that are slightly too big for me to swallow comfortably... Anyway- Whatever you're about to do shall be most interesting. I'm prepared for attacks, at least conventional ones. And unconventional... two can play at that.
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| February 25, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Anyway- Whatever you're about to do shall be most interesting. I'm prepared for attacks, at least conventional ones. And unconventional... two can play at that.

The trick is to use your target's own airliners as transport, and get the weapons from the black market. They never see it coming.
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| February 25, 2011, 10:13 pm
oh, so if Nick was offline that whole time, that means Awe attacked me...

does it?
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| February 25, 2011, 10:29 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
5.

No, that's what the Coptic Christian population of Egypt is today, and it will probably stay like that.
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| February 25, 2011, 10:37 pm
First I establish a 24 hour patrol of helicopters around Madagascar. And if anyone with power wants to invest in my country, I'm open.
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| February 25, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting luke peterson
First I establish a 24 hour patrol of helicopters around Madagascar. And if anyone with power wants to invest in my country, I'm open.

Second you stop issuing thermonuclear weapons to your recon copters. Nukes make people nervous, and nervous people tend to shoot first.

Dunno about the patrol, either; not many wars along the African coast lately, but I don't think the oil sheiks will complain at the fuel expenses.
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| February 25, 2011, 10:45 pm
Quoting luke peterson
First I establish a 24 hour patrol of helicopters around Madagascar. And if anyone with power wants to invest in my country, I'm open.

Nukes are Banned in this group. BANNED. Also how could a helicopter carry a nuke? More less not be destroyed in the explosion?
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| February 25, 2011, 10:54 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Second you stop issuing thermonuclear weapons to your recon copters. Nukes make people nervous, and nervous people tend to shoot first.

Dunno about the patrol, either; not many wars along the African coast lately, but I don't think the oil sheiks will complain at the fuel expenses.

fine, I will stop putting nukes on my choppers… for now. But you can never be too carful so I will keep doing patrols. The loss of a two ton nuke could save on fuel expenses.

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| February 25, 2011, 10:56 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Nukes are Banned in this group. BANNED. Also how could a helicopter carry a nuke? More less not be destroyed in the explosion?

Oh, ask him. He's also pretty sure the helicopter can travel at 600 KMH with an open frame and not lose crew members, so I'm sure it's also capable of refueling the ISS and taking explorers to Mars.
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| February 25, 2011, 10:59 pm
Quoting luke peterson
fine, I will stop putting nukes on my choppers… for now. But you can never be too carful so I will keep doing patrols. The loss of a two ton nuke could save on fuel expenses.

Uh, yeah, if someone attacks you it'll probably be with something much faster than a helicopter. ICBMs with conventional warheads and covert assaults are the two most popular methods.
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| February 25, 2011, 11:02 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Oh, ask him. He's also pretty sure the helicopter can travel at 600 KMH with an open frame and not lose crew members, so I'm sure it's also capable of refueling the ISS and taking explorers to Mars.

Fine. No nukes. As for the open frame, I just couldn't figre out how to make a harness.
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| February 25, 2011, 11:02 pm
Sorry Areesta and Brickkr. I'm kinda knew to this group
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| February 25, 2011, 11:06 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You will be.

...alliance with Jack... He's helping fund my biofuels industry. .
Our "allegiance" is merely an agreement not to shoot eachother and a cooperative research. My allegiance with Ultra and Gober is the deciding factor. They've funded my military to an extent that I wouldn't have made it without them, so they're top on my good list.

Not to burst your bubble, but you haven't had enough time to thoroughly build a military large enough to invade a country halfway across the world with any chance of success. Your forces would be blown up the second they entered WC or Brazilian airspace.

At the moment, I'm still sitting out, but anyone with enough adventure to violate Alaskan airspace will pay dearly, with the exception of Brikkr, Ultra or Will.
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| February 25, 2011, 11:40 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
600 KMH

My Valkyrie can almost achieve this speed, do you think now that that's too farfetched?
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| February 25, 2011, 11:42 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Sorry Areesta and Brickkr. I'm kinda knew to this group

The problem isn't so much your relative newness, it's the similarities to certain other members. Cliffe, for instance, has very similar descriptions of his stuff; I'm not sure if it's a joke, or if he really thinks an armoured dune buggy can be used as a spearhead for assaults, but it's rather nonsensical. Similarly: the highest recorded airspeed for a helicopter was 514 KM/h, or 258 MP/h, and it was an experimental demonstrator that wasn't actually a helicopter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sikorsky_X2_in_flight.jpg

So for an armed combat helicopter, such speeds are beyond strange.

Quoting Danny Morgan
My Valkyrie can almost achieve this speed, do you think now that that's too farfetched?

Your Valkyrie isn't a helicopter. Although it wouldn't be able to transition into true flight because of the giant cannon barrels in the way.
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| February 25, 2011, 11:43 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Your Valkyrie isn't a helicopter. Although it wouldn't be able to transition into true flight because of the giant cannon barrels in the way.

well its a hybrid between a heli and a fighter, but it's more a heli. and those cannon barrels were supposed to be further out, it just looked really weird though, so....

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| February 25, 2011, 11:50 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
well its a hybrid between a heli and a fighter, but it's more a heli. and those cannon barrels were supposed to be further out, it just looked really weird though, so....

The design of it says otherwise.
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| February 25, 2011, 11:57 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The colonel who conceived the marvelously successful strategic attack on the PCUAF will be promoted to fill the position of that other unmentionable general who said something about ballistic missiles taking out everything and other such nonsense that didn't work...

Production still continues on all types. The Brigand-class ship in Guatemala has been completed. Due to haste, it will be crewed entirely by Guatemalans. The WCHC has made the ship a gift to the Guatemalan Navy as this is the case. They promptly christened it the "St. Elmo." Trials began today.

In Houston, setbacks have caused the third Brigand-class to be delayed in finishing. It still sits at 80%, its strategic materials are needed elsewhere.

Project Norris troops are nearing the end of their training, we look forward to seeing these 3,000 men in action soon.
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| February 26, 2011, 12:10 am
Today in Brazil...

The Lt. Colonel in charge of the largely successful attack on the PCU has been promoted to Major General to the disbelief of his superiors, he will the Supreme Commander of the Mexican Front.

Engineers have located the wrecks of the C-130s that were shot down and they are being transported to a secure position.

The Aces in the former Panama and Venezuelan, along with the Second American Civil Wars were put in charge of airman training and have so far completed the training of two squadrons of fighter pilots.

Sneaky things in the Amazon never are or did happen.

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| February 26, 2011, 12:48 am
Quoting Areetsa C
The desgn of it says otherwise.

your contribution is much appreciated.
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| February 26, 2011, 1:10 am
Today in the RAS...

Patroll will continue as normal, if attacked, NAPALM (is that allowed?) is to be issued to each helicopter. I begin to mobilize my military ATVs to major cities aroun the country. My combat troop transports are mobilized to the borders of Angola. You can never be too careful. By the way, who own south Africa?
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| February 26, 2011, 7:31 am
Quoting luke peterson
By the way, who own south Africa?

I, The Commonwealth owns South Africa, and I plan on keeping it that way if you thought otherwise.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:24 am
Since MOCpages has censors, I can't express how deeply angry I am at the sudden show of hostilities to the West. Not only have you broken a peace accord, you've killed several innocent civilians in my hospitals.

From this point on, the PCU is at war with the Western Confederation, Eastern Confederation, and the puppet state of Brazil. Alaska has wished to stay at peace, and we will honor this request.

Our super secret facilities at the Wolf's Den are churning out war materials faster than we can send them out. We're ready.

All military air force units are being sent to the Wolf's Den, because we're cool like that.
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| February 26, 2011, 11:13 am
Production of our third Falklands-Class Carrier, HMS Dreadnought, 2 destroyers, and 2 cruisers have been completed. These ships will be immediately be put into our navy because of the recent circumstances.
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| February 26, 2011, 11:36 am
Alaska officially informs the nations of D&L that I still view the WC, EC, and Brazil as allies and I will defend them from foreign attacks. I won't fight the PCU, that's their problem, but anyone else is officially warned.

Quoting luke peterson

...if attacked, NAPALM (is that allowed?)...


Napalm is allowed as far as I know, but it's really not very effective, just rather impressive. I'd suggest using cluster bombs or conventional warheads, or rockets/anti-tank missiles. They're much more deadly and can be used on a much higher variety of targets. (Napalm on a tank merely blackens the paint)
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| February 26, 2011, 11:39 am
Senegal has been brought under control. Militias have been disbanded, and the government has been modified to prevent them from rising up again. The base is 3/4 done.

Those interested in PCU craft should visit my stream and check out the AGSM-1, MT-3, and LUH-1
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| February 26, 2011, 12:38 pm
What is the status of Bermuda? Is it currently controlled by England, or is it free for the taking?
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| February 26, 2011, 12:39 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
It works pretty well on cities, though.

Yes, but standard bombs work better. >.> (especially when standard means thermobaric warheads and precision thermal imaging/GPS guidance.)
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| February 26, 2011, 3:14 pm
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In China:

-The factories produce their new weapons, which are still hidden from the public eyes. And safe from sky-eyes, seeing as how they're lurking indoors and below ground.
-The Emperor's Hand is now on medicine, he should be better by Monday. He hopes.
-The Tibet invasion goes quickly, the lowlands are being secured. Rebels still hold the high mountains, but they'll be dealt with soon enough.
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| February 26, 2011, 3:26 pm
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Well, if you must know...

The Pacific Union’s complete willingness to base bombers that could act with relative impunity over our airspace, and having possibly been lent to a terrorist state bent on irregular and chemical attacks, is unreasonable. Without such bases, the bombers would not be able to attack us successfully because of insufficient range. The PCU was asked not to consider basing these aircraft that have pursued unprovoked aggression in the past, but responded quite belligerently. Additionally, past records show that the PCU would just as easily attack us as we it. The PCU insisted upon rearmament, which was a rather pressing threat to our defense. We had no signed peace accords, only a verbal cease-fire agreements.

Next time, let's sit down at a table and sign something...
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| February 26, 2011, 4:15 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, if you must know...

The Pacific Union’s complete willingness to base bombers that could act with relative impunity over our airspace, and having possibly been lent to a terrorist state bent on irregular and chemical attacks, is unreasonable. Without such bases, the bombers would not be able to attack us successfully because of insufficient range. The PCU was asked not to consider basing these aircraft that have pursued unprovoked aggression in the past, but responded quite belligerently. Additionally, past records show that the PCU would just as easily attack us as we it. The PCU insisted upon rearmament, which was a rather pressing threat to our defense. We had no signed peace accords, only a verbal cease-fire agreements.
Next time, let's sit down at a table and sign something...

I did not ever issue or condone a terror attack on Confederation soil. I only allowed bombers to land in my territory so I could continue to land them in China as well.
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| February 26, 2011, 4:22 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, if you must know...

The Pacific Union’s complete willingness to base bombers that could act with relative impunity over our airspace, and having possibly been lent to a terrorist state bent on irregular and chemical attacks, is unreasonable. Without such bases, the bombers would not be able to attack us successfully because of insufficient range. The PCU was asked not to consider basing these aircraft that have pursued unprovoked aggression in the past, but responded quite belligerently. Additionally, past records show that the PCU would just as easily attack us as we it. The PCU insisted upon rearmament, which was a rather pressing threat to our defense. We had no signed peace accords, only a verbal cease-fire agreements.


I don't think you ever voiced such an opinion. My bombers, you see, were already in the PCU when you two made "peace." I used them to defend my rightful property, and then they went home. And if you think Nick is such a fool as to not re-arm with you on his doorstep, well then, you need only to look in a mirror for a fool.
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| February 26, 2011, 4:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, if you must know...

The Pacific Union’s complete willingness to base bombers that could act with relative impunity over our airspace, and having possibly been lent to a terrorist state bent on irregular and chemical attacks, is unreasonable. Without such bases, the bombers would not be able to attack us successfully because of insufficient range. The PCU was asked not to consider basing these aircraft that have pursued unprovoked aggression in the past, but responded quite belligerently. Additionally, past records show that the PCU would just as easily attack us as we it. The PCU insisted upon rearmament, which was a rather pressing threat to our defense. We had no signed peace accords, only a verbal cease-fire agreements.

Next time, let's sit down at a table and sign something...


I seem to recall you yourself starting to re-arm immediately with a whole new tank. So stop being a hypocrite.

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| February 26, 2011, 4:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
....and having possibly been lent to a terrorist state bent on irregular and chemical attacks

Believe me, I'd LOVE to have conventional forces available. BUT, since I don't have either ICBMs or strategic bombers, nothing I have can reach you. We both know any troopships I send will be blown out of the water by you or your Alaskan lackey. As well, unlike Brendan, I'm not willing to sit back and let someone dictate my actions with impunity. So you can either give me some of your ICBMs, destroy the ones you have, or face up to the fact that what I'm doing is exactly the same as what you did, twice. If I'm a terrorist, so are you.
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| February 26, 2011, 4:41 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
The Federation highly protests the PCU's imperial aggression against the peaceful African nation of Senegal. We plan to write a mean nasty letter to you via the correct diplomatic channels.


It's not imperialism, he bought land for a base and some militias got uppity, so he dealt with them. Win-win, actually.
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| February 26, 2011, 5:22 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

It's not imperialism, he bought land for a base and some militias got uppity, so he dealt with them. Win-win, actually.

Yup. By government modified, I mean we encouraged them to focus more on dealing with their problems by force rather than diplomatically. It may not pay off in the long run, but we're thinking short-term here in little Old Africa.

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| February 26, 2011, 6:01 pm
We condemn the actions of the PCU, and we dislike the double standard of Spain. They claimed to be against Australian Imperialism, yet, support the imperialistic actions of their ally.
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| February 26, 2011, 6:03 pm
Quoting henry wang
We condemn the actions of the PCU, and we dislike the double standard of Spain. They claimed to be against Australian Imperialism, yet, support the imperialistic actions of their ally.

I'd urge you to do something about it, but I'm fighting a war.
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| February 26, 2011, 6:25 pm
With the current level of global tensions, El Presidente has begun to consider his diplomatic options very seriously. With our economy in such a fragile state, a war right now could very easily cripple it, or grow it. Our military is looking to our arms manufacturers to determine if they could realistically take the brunt of a large war effort, or if they would need assistance from other commercial manufacturing firms. Many units are standing down from the heightened alert status, and all major fleets are heading back to port.
The BattleCom Integrated Defense Network has been completed, and advanced ultra-decryption systems are being configured for use with our current Cold War era communications equipment, to help cut costs. All recon vehicles, naval vessels, and aircraft will be receiving the new communications upgrades, followed by our tanks, utility vehicles, and weapons teams. We hope that by the end of the month our entire communications array will be on this newer, more powerful network.

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| February 26, 2011, 7:00 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Believe me, I'd LOVE to have conventional forces available. BUT, since I don't have either ICBMs or strategic bombers, nothing I have can reach you. We both know any troopships I send will be blown out of the water by you or your Alaskan lackey. As well, unlike Brendan, I'm not willing to sit back and let someone dictate my actions with impunity. So you can either give me some of your ICBMs, destroy the ones you have, or face up to the fact that what I'm doing is exactly the same as what you did, twice. If I'm a terrorist, so are you.

So you expect me to roll over and take my own medicine, but you aren't willing to? If Japan had retaliated, I probably would have let it be. You took upon yourself a burden which wasn't yours to bear. I'm a terrorist state?
1. Who used chemical agents?
2. Who threatened to use nuclear weapons?
3. Who actively pursued the purchase of such banned weapons?
4. Who threatened to use nerve agents?

At least I used conventional weapons. However, I can step up and destroy my missiles, I have no problem with that. Of course, I'll be sure to detonate them on some of your cities (with about 5x the yield next time). Wanna play?

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I seem to recall you yourself starting to re-arm immediately with a whole new tank. So stop being a hypocrite.

I didn't start the war either. He was the aggressor, and after I retaliated, he persisted in re-arming. I can only assume he was going to try again, so I had to re-arm. Call it hypocrisy if you want to, I call it common sense.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I don't think you ever voiced such an opinion. My bombers, you see, were already in the PCU when you two made "peace." I used them to defend my rightful property, and then they went home. And if you think Nick is such a fool as to not re-arm with you on his doorstep, well then, you need only to look in a mirror for a fool.

Oh, I did voice it, in no uncertain terms either. But the he turned around and invited you to base/land your bombers here. I have no intention of that ever happening again.
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| February 26, 2011, 7:28 pm
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