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International Conversation Forum XIV
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Highlights:
-Russo-Byzantine War

-Third American Civil War

-Souring international relations

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Guess I pressed enter when ICF IX was highlighted in my browser history. Mah bad.
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| February 26, 2011, 7:42 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh, I did voice it, in no uncertain terms either. But the he turned around and invited you to base/land your bombers here. I have no intention of that ever happening again.


Fear... The Confederation is rank with it... Let us ease their pain!

/ignores the fact I've hidden away my valuable assets from your missiles

Speaking of missiles... Well, what goes around comes around. I'll let you make the first move.

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| February 26, 2011, 7:49 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Fear... The Confederation is rank with it... Let us ease their pain!

/ignores the fact I've hidden away my valuable assets from your missiles

Speaking of missiles... Well, what goes around comes around. I'll let you make the first move.

You are completely paranoid. Well, so am I, I suppose.

I have no intention of attacking you. If you stay out, I'll let you stay that way.

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| February 26, 2011, 7:54 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You are completely paranoid. Well, so am I, I suppose.

I have no intention of attacking you. If you stay out, I'll let you stay that way.


And yet you told me there was something coming. Did you ever perchance send an anonymous note through Tom to me, regarding a certain subject?

Anyways, I'm afraid we must fight now, the Pacific Union has lit the beacons, and has called for aid. "And China will answer!" /Theoden voice, Rohan theme

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| February 26, 2011, 7:56 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And yet you told me there was something coming. Did you ever perchance send an anonymous note through Tom to me, regarding a certain subject?

I'm sorry? Please clarify.
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| February 26, 2011, 7:59 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm sorry? Please clarify.


Perhaps it wasn't you. But weeks past, I got a note from someone delivered by Tom. I'm wondering if that was you. Perhaps it wasn't you. Perhaps it was. I'll go back to the Dragon's Lair in paranoia now.
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| February 26, 2011, 8:01 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Perhaps it wasn't you. But weeks past, I got a note from someone delivered by Tom. I'm wondering if that was you. Perhaps it wasn't you. Perhaps it was. I'll go back to the Dragon's Lair in paranoia now.

FM me, it may just be my forgetfulness. That's probably due to excessive homework.
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| February 26, 2011, 8:02 pm
When is the CR deadline?

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| February 26, 2011, 8:06 pm
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Quoting Will G.
What is the CR deadline?

8, I think.
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| February 26, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
8, I think.

What timezone? Because eight already happened for Tom.
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| February 26, 2011, 8:10 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
So you expect me to roll over and take my own medicine, but you aren't willing to? If Japan had retaliated, I probably would have let it be. You took upon yourself a burden which wasn't yours to bear. I'm a terrorist state?
1. Who used chemical agents?
2. Who threatened to use nuclear weapons?
3. Who actively pursued the purchase of such banned weapons?
4. Who threatened to use nerve agents?

At least I used conventional weapons. However, I can step up and destroy my missiles, I have no problem with that. Of course, I'll be sure to detonate them on some of your cities (with about 5x the yield next time). Wanna play?

So if someone blasted, say, Avalella with SLBMs and he couldn't retaliate, you'd leave the attackers alone? That's good to know.


Covert infiltration teams can't equal the murder capacity of an ICBM without force multipliers. Technically speaking, an ICBM isn't a conventional weapon, anyway.

As for "disposing" of your ICBMs by smashing them into more of my cities: you don't want to do that. I'm very close to being done with you, but if I have to send over any more assault teams...
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| February 26, 2011, 8:11 pm
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Quoting Will G.
What timezone? Because eight already happened for Tom.

Good point, he usually doesn't get it up until 10 EST, though.

Quoting Areetsa C
I'm very close to being done with you,

So am I, and it's called a red button.
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| February 26, 2011, 8:11 pm
In the CDC, we have begun scrapping large quantities of various types of aircraft, mainly Mig-21s, for use in the production of our new aircraft. We are willing to sell some of our Migs, for demonstration and testing purposes, to any nation willing to buy. We have also begun to scrap our reserve T-55 stocks for the production of their replacement, the M908A4 MBT. As this is only in our reserve units, this transition to the newer vehicle will take place over the course of many months.
Congress has authorized the construction of a large military museum to be built in the Bahamas (to help the ever-growing tourism industry), and we would like to hopefully stock it hundreds of different AFVs. Donations are welcome.

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| February 26, 2011, 8:14 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

We can now release that we have anticipated certain things, and the Nimitz-class carrier and submarine obtained at the last cease-fire were thoroughly searched and anything that wasn't in the blue prints, no matter how innocuous, was removed to prevent self-destruction mechanisms from surviving. That, and we probably replaced any communications devices, all the command codes were changed over to ours, and replaced suspect parts. I mean we really stripped it down, especially around anything that could go boom. The reactors as well; no sense having those meltdown, eh?

Guatemala has upped their recruitment and expanded their efforts into Belize. The unified country now sets about repairing the Belize Air Force hardware that was destroyed in the first engagements. Most of it escaped damage due to good bombing, the Guatemalans look forward to getting these machines airworthy soon.

That's all for now...

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| February 26, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, in the Western Confederation...

We can now release that we have anticipated certain things, and the Nimitz-class carrier and submarine obtained at the last cease-fire were thoroughly searched and anything that wasn't in the blue prints, no matter how innocuous, was removed to prevent self-destruction mechanisms from surviving.

Oh, they're hidden better to survive simple measures such as these.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Oh, they're hidden better to survive simple measures such as these.

Yeah sure...
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| February 26, 2011, 9:30 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah sure...

You think we'd just slap on a box and say "Dat oughta do it!" and then leave it? Psssh. You severely underestimate me.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That, and we probably replaced any communications devices, all the command codes were changed over to ours, and replaced suspect parts. I mean we really stripped it down, especially around anything that could go boom. The reactors as well; no sense having those meltdown, eh?

Again, why would we make the beacons wired in with the standard communications when that is the first thing that is wiped? Think man, think!
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| February 26, 2011, 9:37 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Again, why would we make the beacons wired in with the standard communications when that is the first thing that is wiped? Think man, think!

We got it, and based on Tom's fairness, you won't get anywhere. Trust me.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
We got it, and based on Tom's fairness, you won't get anywhere. Trust me.

You didn't get it. Trust me. Nobody knows where I put them except for myself, so how did you find exactly where it was? Exactly, you didn't.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Prove it. hehehe

Careful what you wish for, muchacho.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I got something bigger on you, and Tom's not letting that go through. I'm betting two things:
1. You just thought of it when I said something.
2. Tom handles this the same way he did the tech. Fair & square.

No, it's been standard procedure from the beginning. I'd tell you what it is, but you'd remove it. Accusing me of being someone who makes up things to cover my losses is quite a stretch don't you think. Also, while I'm here, that re-armament BS you called on me is frakkin hilarious. You were re-arming just the same as I was you hypocrite.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And I addressed that, last thread, read on why don't you? Let's just see about that, shall we?

So now you're saying the "deal" was that you get to re-arm and re-tool but the PCU doesn't get to? That's funny too, since I never agreed to it.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:55 pm
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Yo kids, I'm sure your quarrel is an intense one, but can you take it to FM? I fear that relevant posts may be drowned out.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Not at all, just saying you persisted in raising your threat level. You'd do the same to me, you have in the past, so don't try to deny it. Thing is, I'm just doing it first.

You really are a piece of work, aren't you. I didn't raise my threat level. I was re-building my military and replacing things that weren't effective.
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| February 26, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Yo kids, I'm sure your quarrel is an intense one, but can you take it to FM? I fear that relevant posts may be drowned out.

By your command. But Ultra didn't respond to my previous FM. >.>
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| February 26, 2011, 10:00 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
my morality choices.

They seem non-existent to me.
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| February 26, 2011, 10:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
What I do in a game is no reflection on real life. So there.

Clean up your mouth and we'll talk.

I lol'd.
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| February 26, 2011, 10:07 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I lol'd.

Nobody will take you seriously if you swear like a pirate in every FM you send him, right Ultra?
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| February 26, 2011, 10:18 pm
Quoting Brikkr
Nobody will take you seriously if you swear like a pirate in every FM you send him, right Ultra?

Hey puppet, be quiet.
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| February 26, 2011, 10:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Indeed. I detest profanity.

One FM = Profanity Pirate.

And to quote my influences, can't spell Pirate without Irate.
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| February 26, 2011, 10:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Hey puppet, be quiet.

Hey, you can still be a gentleman even in war. Just look at Awe and myself. We respect each other too much to stoop to such levels.

Quoting Nick Shelton
One FM = Profanity Pirate.

And to quote my influences, can't spell Pirate without Irate.

Double post! /Ohsnap!
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| February 26, 2011, 10:23 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Hey puppet, be quiet.

Get it right, I'm Pinocio...

>.>
<.<

That's really hard to spell...
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| February 26, 2011, 10:30 pm
CDC diplomats seem to be making good progress annexing the islands of Grenada, and Trinidad and Tobago. There is no doubt that the CDC is becoming very imperialistic in its quest to control the Caribbean, yet there are very little negative effects being seen as a result of this vast expansion. Military and State Department officials are now beginning to think that the CDC Navy is not equipped to maintain superiority in our own waters, and are calling on Congress for more funding. With inter-island transit across the sea, many analysts think freighters are at very high risk of more pirate attacks, and not only from Marxists.
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| February 26, 2011, 11:00 pm
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Hey Cliffe, do you mind a purchase of some of those hormones? It might help me keep my population under control, there's still a big imbalance between men and women too...
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| February 26, 2011, 11:00 pm
WE DID IT! YEAH! YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES! SO PACK UP MY PIPE CUZ DIS WAR IS CLOSED. Well, not yet.
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| February 26, 2011, 11:01 pm
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Wow, Tom. I'm kind of surprised. You'll get an FM shortly, on another subject.
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| February 26, 2011, 11:02 pm
I liked the Houston part and the fact Ultra's fast running out of soldiers. Umad Ultra?
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| February 26, 2011, 11:08 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I liked the Houston part and the fact Ultra's fast running out of soldiers. Umad Ultra?

Not in the slightest. I try to keep a cool head at all times. Saves blood pressure.
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| February 26, 2011, 11:09 pm
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Question about my downed birds: Were the pilots able to bail out [at least most of them] or are they KIA? I couldn't care less about some elderly piece of kit, I just want my experienced boys back behind the stick. If they did survive, need I progress with rescue operations?
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| February 26, 2011, 11:45 pm
El Presidente has announced, in a national address, that the CDC would not tolerate the actions of Egypt and the PCU. He has pledged to support our allies Brazil and the Western Confederation militarily. Congress has voted, and the CDC is at war.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:14 am
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Quoting -> avalella
El Presidente has announced, in a national address, that the CDC would not tolerate the actions of Egypt and the PCU. He has pledged to support our allies Brazil and the Western Confederation militarily. Congress has voted, and the CDC is at war.

Yeee-hawwww! Welcome aboard, sir!
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| February 27, 2011, 12:19 am
Quoting -> avalella
El Presidente has announced, in a national address, that the CDC would not tolerate the actions of Egypt and the PCU. He has pledged to support our allies Brazil and the Western Confederation militarily. Congress has voted, and the CDC is at war.


So, you can tolerate the aggressor's actions but not the retaliation? Gee willikers.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:20 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

So, you can tolerate the aggressor's actions but not the retaliation? Gee willikers.

yesssirrr
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| February 27, 2011, 12:23 am
Quoting -> avalella
yesssirrr


Alright let's do this LEEEEEROOOOOY JEEEEENKINNSSSSS!!!!!


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| February 27, 2011, 12:29 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Alright let's do this LEEEEEROOOOOY JEEEEENKINNSSSSS!!!!!


What, what side are you on?
Also, while I was typing up my orders, I came up with seem team names: My side is the Axis, yall are the Allies. Creative, huh? Let us do this.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:32 am
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Marshal Law has been declared in Houston. The Texas National Guard is imposing strict curfews. Police officers affected by the weapon will be quarantined for the duration; all others are helping to enforce the curfew. Married couples will be kept together dispite their sudden aversions, familiar company should speed recovery times.

Since prisoners are working in the factories, the available space will be transformed into a more comfortable living space and the most severe infected persons will be interred there. The Center for Disease Control has been called in, special teams are taking blood work and frantically trying to isolate the steroid used in the chemical attack. A treatment in the form of a dispersant should be forthcoming.

UPDATE: We have already found a dispersant. Cytochrome P450 and CYP3A4 will be put in injection form to break down the steroids in a matter of hours, combined with metabolic stimuli to increase liver and gall bladder functions; both work naturally to break it down anyway. Our citizens should recover in less than 7 days after treatment.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:34 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Marshal Law has been declared in Houston. The Texas National Guard is imposing strict curfews. Police officers affected by the weapon will be quarantined for the duration; all others are helping to enforce the curfew. Married couples will be kept together dispite their sudden aversions, familiar company should speed recovery times.

Since prisoners are working in the factories, the available space will be transformed into a more comfortable living space and the most severe infected persons will be interred there. The Center for Disease Control has been called in, special teams are taking blood work and frantically trying to isolate the steroid used in the chemical attack. A treatment in the form of a dispersant should be forthcoming.


You just can't accept the fact you can't reverse something this time, can you? Tom said it's irreversable, so it is. Houston is now akin to San Francisco.

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| February 27, 2011, 12:37 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWJlGwJqVlk&feature=related
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| February 27, 2011, 12:40 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
You just can't accept the fact you can't reverse something this time, can you? Tom said it's irreversable, so it is. Houston is now akin to San Francisco.

We'll let him decide, eh?
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| February 27, 2011, 12:42 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
We'll let him decide, eh?


I do think he already decided, as he specifically stated it's irreversable.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:44 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I do think he already decided, as he specifically stated it's irreversable.

You haven't been talking with him for the last hour either, have you?
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| February 27, 2011, 12:45 am
The Royal Arab Kingdom has decided to remain militarily neutral in the American conflict but will allow companies to continue to ship oil to the waring nations.

The first Archangel fighters began to roll of the assembly lines in Belarus.

A sharp increase in Shia radical extremist suicide attacks has led to Predator C over flights of Iranian, Iraqi, Yemen and Kuwait. On one these flights over Iranian fighter bases and naval ports increased activity was spotted. Our military is now on high alert.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:46 am
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Back from a most excellent vacation in Quebec. What did I miss?
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| February 27, 2011, 12:48 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
You haven't been talking with him for the last hour either, have you?


Yes I have, in fact.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:49 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Yes I have, in fact.

Good for you.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:49 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Good for you.


However, unlike you I haven't been pestering him with Bible Science and demands for the chemical formula.
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| February 27, 2011, 12:51 am
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Quoting Thomas N
lots of fun stuff.


I can tell that another war has erupted...
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| February 27, 2011, 12:54 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

However, unlike you I haven't been pestering him with Bible Science and demands for the chemical formula.

Um, I never brought up the Bible.

Quoting Thomas N
And I already said it was irreversible. You'll just have to wait 2-3 weeks for the effects to wear off, like I said.

Did I ever say I wouldn't?
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| February 27, 2011, 12:59 am
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Quoting Thomas N
No, but trying to isolate the hormone in the victim's blood isn't going to give you an antidote, if that's what you're thinking.

I'm after the STEROID, as I have said before. Besides, the caffeine should help the other, however slightly, since it speeds up recycling of all fluids and other bodily functions. Maybe trim it closer to the two week minimum. You'll read more about it in a couple days.
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| February 27, 2011, 1:15 am
In a public speech by the President, he has stated that "The Egyptian attacks on the City of Houston will not be forgotten, nor pushed into the corners of our memory. This attack has left us wondering, 'how the He** did a third-world country obtain the technology or equipment to produce a chemical that can produce a horomone-altering effect?' This will not be forgotten, as we WILL fight back against the unethical enemy. This is a testament to how ethicless and careless for human nature people can become, and our prayers go out to those effected by this vile substance. Good evening, and God Bless."
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| February 27, 2011, 1:20 am
The Prime Minister is scheduled to have a speech to the Spanish public commending Egyptian attacks and giving the WC a taste of their own medicine after their intolerable use of a religious belief. His only regrets are that the effects are not as long as eternity in the case of the Alenians.
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| February 27, 2011, 1:24 am
Only Egypt possesses an antidote in an underground facility under maximum security. Ultra, you're not getting rid of this, in fact, you're certain to see a lot more of it.

Your time is running thin...
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| February 27, 2011, 1:25 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
The Prime Minister is scheduled to have a speech to the Spanish public commending Egyptian attacks and giving the WC a taste of their own medicine after their intolerable use of a religious belief. His only regrets are that the effects are not as long as eternity in the case of the Alenians.

Since when is the use of chemical weapons commendable? Cliffe just smashed the Geneva Accords into pieces...
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| February 27, 2011, 1:30 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Only Egypt possesses an antidote in an underground facility under maximum security. Ultra, you're not getting rid of this, in fact, you're certain to see a lot more of it.

Your time is running thin...

There is no antidote, I googled it, trust me. Why should I bother with an insignificant state such as yourself any further?
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| February 27, 2011, 1:33 am
Quoting Brikkr
Since when is the use of chemical weapons commendable? Cliffe just smashed the Geneva Accords into pieces...


It's non-lethal, and if what you say is the case, the US Army has broken that thousands of times by using tear gas. Pretty sure that's a chemical.

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| February 27, 2011, 1:34 am
Copies of the layout of the H69 sexual hormone will be transmitted to our allies China, PCU, and Spain via highly encrypted e-mail.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:07 am
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Talks with Belarus to integrate with the Federation as one wholesome state continue well enough. The idea and practice of the Union State has gone on for some time now and the general public consensus is one of admiration and utter respect. With that in mind, both cooperative governments would now like to make the leap into a joint economy, military [more so than it already is], and federal structure. The main issues that have stopped the practice of our aspirations are of course deficits, representation methods, and various other nitpicky items. We hope to have all of these ironed out within the coming month.

On note of Poland, private corporations continue to flood the shelves of the Polacks. However, the buyers' consent to purchase the items seems lacking. With their inability to presently maintain a strong government figurehead, consumption seems at an all-time low. Regardless, Union State businesses continue to offer desperate Poles jobs within said union at lower rates than what are being paid to Belorussians and Russians themselves. The Union State governments continue to pressure these rather crude business ordeals, but to little avail.

Back to a military notion, the first MiG-67 to roll off the assembly lines is being tried in the air. Because of the rapid production of this aircraft type, some quality-control concerns have arisen; therefore, thorough testing will be underway. Any and all structural, electronic, and other associated errors will be reported and left to MiG to solve in a cost effective, but responsible manner. More news on this later.

Finally, the second Resolve-class aircraft carrier that entered production some time ago has been completed. Sea trials will take place for the entirety of this week. This new vessel should increase our interventionist capacity by quite a number granted this will bring our naval air wing capacity up to six transit units. Anyhow, these sea trials will report any manufacturing errors that may be of concern. If all goes well, we should be able to set it loose on the way to Sakhalin to ensure our defense capacity in the Arctic/Pacific is one of respectable levels.
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| February 27, 2011, 1:13 pm
Spain has recently acquired a deal with an undisclosed country to start producing equipment for them. With this new influx of capital, we will soon be able to further fund homemade products to fuel our defense capabilities. These include an air superiority fighter, air defense frigate, the new SPAEGIS system, an upgrade to the AEGIS, and the possiblity of a new ground vehicle.

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| February 27, 2011, 1:22 pm
The navy has commissioned its 2nd Repulse-Class Battlecruiser. It is being immediately pressed into service.

Our nation is making a statement that we vow not to get into the conflict, but if we are provoked we will destroy the aggressor.
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| February 27, 2011, 1:57 pm
With the current state of the world, Trinidad and Tobago have agreed to join the CDC in its time of need. Grenada is still hesistant due to its past military history, but we are expecting it to agree to our terms soon. The CDC military reserves are being mobilized, El Presidente has given another national address, calling for men and women to due their part for the war effort, be it by enlisting or taking up factory jobs, he is sure that full participation will be neccessary to win this war. Many new training camps are being opened around the CDC, and with the influx of new recruits, several new divisions are being formed.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:00 pm
Today in the RAS...

Prodution of the Armored transport is doubled. I realize it will be hard to pay for this, and I am working on it right now. I expand upwards, away from south Africa. The diamond, gold, and oil rich countries will supply my efforts and supply me with more soldiers. I have no intention of taking south Africa.

By the way, I would like to make some sort of allience with someone.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:13 pm
Quoting henry wang
The navy has commissioned its 2nd Repulse-Class Battlecruiser. It is being immediately pressed into service.

Our nation is making a statement that we vow not to get into the conflict, but if we are provoked we will destroy the aggressor.


Define provocation, please. Do you mean direct attack or participation in the conflict? Because I don't want to have another buzzkill like Nick was in the old group, every time I'd do something he'd come at me.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:25 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Define provocation, please. Do you mean direct attack or participation in the conflict? Because I don't want to have another buzzkill like Nick was in the old group, every time I'd do something he'd come at me.

Direct attack, but if I feel that an attack is coming I will launch a preemptive strike. But the fact that you are helping a terrorist make weapons and you are using the same chemical weapons that the terrorist is using isn't making me any happier.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:27 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The infected in Houston have responded well to the treatments so far. 99% have had a complete reversion from the steroid booster that was given. The hormones will now be left on their own to be treated now. Thousands of women with families have clamored to undergo hormone replacement therapy to reverse the effects of the infection (you see, just because hormones are present doesn't make one forget who one is). The medical profession has warned the women of the inherent risks and side effects involved, and that by the time they recovered from the procedure that the effects would have already been dealt with naturally through bodily functions. However, the CDC believes that an injection of testosterone (for men) and estrogen (for women) will counter-balance the effects and more or less neutralize them. Side effects will likely be cold sweats, sleeplessness, and possible schizophrenic behavior; they will remain under steady observation.

Production has peaked again, 20 M90s and 30 M80s have rolled out. Another 10 F-29s and 5 F-89s have been finished as well.

Guatemala has begun upping production as well. They have started to produce the MIG-60 mainline, and they have been given the schematics to the F-29 to start as well as they wish.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:33 pm
Quoting henry wang
Direct attack, but if I feel that an attack is coming I will launch a preemptive strike.


Good. Spain has no desire to attack the Commonwealth, for we do not possess the capabilities to do so.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:36 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Good. Spain has no desire to attack the Commonwealth, for we do not possess the capabilities to do so.

Nor do you the WC, stay away.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:39 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Nor do you the WC, stay away.


Your mind powers will not work on me boy.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:50 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Your mind powers will not work on me boy.

That's not what I am referring to.
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| February 27, 2011, 2:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's not what I am referring to.


I don't take empty threats from someone who has lost well over 40,000 soldiers this month. And yes, that is a realistic estimate, seeing as in the first conflict you lost 10,000 in one area, and the latest fighting has brought you more casualties than all the previous fighting combined. You aren't the Neo-America you think you are.
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| February 27, 2011, 3:04 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, in the Western Confederation...

The infected in Houston have responded well to the treatments so far. 99% have had a complete reversion from the steroid booster that was given. The hormones will now be left on their own to be treated now. Thousands of women with families have clamored to undergo hormone replacement therapy to reverse the effects of the infection (you see, just because hormones are present doesn't make one forget who one is). The medical profession has warned the women of the inherent risks and side effects involved, and that by the time they recovered from the procedure that the effects would have already been dealt with naturally through bodily functions. However, the CDC believes that an injection of testosterone (for men) and estrogen (for women) will counter-balance the effects and more or less neutralize them. Side effects will likely be cold sweats, sleeplessness, and possible schizophrenic behavior; they will remain under steady observation.

Production has peaked again, 20 M90s and 30 M80s have rolled out. Another 10 F-29s and 5 F-89s have been finished as well.

Guatemala has begun upping production as well. They have started to produce the MIG-60 mainline, and they have been given the schematics to the F-29 to start as well as they wish.

Well played, my enemy, well played.
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| February 27, 2011, 4:00 pm
Quoting Brikkr
Since when is the use of chemical weapons commendable? Cliffe just smashed the Geneva Accords into pieces...

In case you haven't been paying attention, Ultra's developed a habit of attacking defenseless civilians with dubya-emm-dees. I seriously doubt anyone else sees it this way, but I figure that amounts to saying "I don't care about these "Laws Of War" thingies, so come and give me your best shot." Cliffe's gaybomb is perfectly viable. I'd probably be first in line to start strafing runs if he used it on a country with humane leadership, but currently the WC is a deserving target.

Quoting Thomas N
Riots in the WC

I know no-one'll believe this, but these ones aren't my fault. Riot-mongering is a very dangrous occupation, and also very traceable. If this is a deliberate event, rather than spontaneous, the leaders of it will probably be arrested by the end of the week. Riots look good on paper, but in practice there's much more effective ways to carry out a covert operation.
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| February 27, 2011, 4:27 pm
I do think that these riots were spontaneous, and though it is something I would do, I did not cause it. The people have spoken, that's it.
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| February 27, 2011, 5:02 pm
Egypt's greatest resource is its worst weakness.
'Nuff said.

To prevent the spread of the airborne "gaybomb" the EC will now begin to issue gas masks in all major cites.

On a note about Muslims protesting with gays, it is highly unlikely that members of the Islamic religion would take up arms with gays. Due to the fact that Islam is mainly
anti-homo53xual, I find it amusing that an attack on Kazakhstan (a nation of which few Muslims are affiliated) caused them to forget their dislike for g@yness and protest.
But please, don't take that as some sort of complaint in your CRing. I don't like making mistakes.

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| February 27, 2011, 6:32 pm
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Today, 1.5

Citizens all over the WC have been authorized to use whatever force is necessary to defend their properties should the protests turn to riots. History has shown that protesters usually will die for their cause until the shooting starts. We are not advocating nor encouraging senseless shooting, but our cities will not burn because the few wish to impose their views on the many by violence. The citizenry is simply cleared to use force to defend themselves, their families, and their homes. Law enforcement is keeping a close eye on the developments, and will use whatever is needed to keep the crowds civil.

Williams has organized his security forces and is acting alongside law enforcement and military units.

In this time of national war, these demonstrations are loosing ground in the public opinion arena, and are likely to die on the vine. Stores are closed in the protest areas (looters are shot), and store owners are refusing to sell to these mobs. The protesters will be faced with a situation very soon; either disperse and go home or stay and starve. Of course, if they become medically ill, they will be treated, so we're not forcing them to stay or turning our backs if it becomes serious.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I don't take empty threats from someone who has lost well over 40,000 soldiers this month. And yes, that is a realistic estimate, seeing as in the first conflict you lost 10,000 in one area, and the latest fighting has brought you more casualties than all the previous fighting combined. You aren't the Neo-America you think you are.

Um, actually, I only lost 6,000 killed for sure the first time around. I don't think I've lost that much this time either, and surely the PCU has lost that many in the struggle as well. I still have more men than they do, more oil, more weapons, and such like that.
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| February 27, 2011, 6:49 pm
Due to the recent talk about gas bombs on the continent, I will begin to issue gas masks around my country. I also want to send helicopters to scout madagascar, I fit is clear I will land there and set up a military base and begin harvesting lumber.

By the way, Any one want an extra ally.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:05 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
By the way, Any one want an extra ally.

/Raises hand
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| February 27, 2011, 7:10 pm
Well it sure doesn't sound like you only lost 6,000 the first time, seeing as you lost 6,000 in one day in only one area.

From that specific CR:

Well, what arrived instead were PCU reinforcements, which bolstered the line between the pocket and the main WC held-zone, and managed to prevent another attempted WC attempt to relieve the forces in the pocket. Eventually, after heavy, heavy fighting, 4,000 of the original 10,000 WC troops, out of ammo and supplies, had to surrender to the PCU who surrounded them. The WC sufferrd heavy losses, not only the 10,000 men and their machines in the bulge/pocket (6,000 lost to 2 heavy air attacks and PCU attacks from all sides, 4,000 surrendered when supplies were lost), but they also suffered heavy losses in their two major attempts to reinforce the pocket, and the losses from this major battle, combined with losses from battles all along the front, was enough to cause the advance to bog down again, with gains of 5 miles in some places, 0 in others

And go back to the latest CR where it says you lost more men in that outing than in all the previous fighting.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:12 pm
Quoting luke peterson
By the way, Any one want an extra ally.

sure, I'm pretty close to Saudi anyway.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:16 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Well it sure doesn't sound like you only lost 6,000 the first time, seeing as you lost 6,000 in one day in only one area.

From that specific CR:

Well, what arrived instead were PCU reinforcements, which bolstered the line between the pocket and the main WC held-zone, and managed to prevent another attempted WC attempt to relieve the forces in the pocket. Eventually, after heavy, heavy fighting, 4,000 of the original 10,000 WC troops, out of ammo and supplies, had to surrender to the PCU who surrounded them. The WC sufferrd heavy losses, not only the 10,000 men and their machines in the bulge/pocket (6,000 lost to 2 heavy air attacks and PCU attacks from all sides, 4,000 surrendered when supplies were lost), but they also suffered heavy losses in their two major attempts to reinforce the pocket, and the losses from this major battle, combined with losses from battles all along the front, was enough to cause the advance to bog down again, with gains of 5 miles in some places, 0 in others

And go back to the latest CR where it says you lost more men in that outing than in all the previous fighting.

Yeah, your point? He organizes good defenses, I'll give him that. His lines are still paper thin, though, I have lots more reserves to draw from, whereas the PCU is stretched out everywhere all along the border. He meets attacks with maximum force, which is good tactics, but it can't last. As I recall, Germany did the same thing.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:21 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
/Raises hand

Awsome! Where are you, and are you currently in a war, because I'm not ready to be attacked.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:26 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, your point? He organizes good defenses, I'll give him that. His lines are still paper thin, though, I have lots more reserves to draw from, whereas the PCU is stretched out everywhere all along the border. He meets attacks with maximum force, which is good tactics, but it can't last. As I recall, Germany did the same thing.


So how many men do you have in reserve? You surely don't have the man power the Soviet Union had to throw at Germany, and a draft would only open up the possiblity of even more rioters.

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| February 27, 2011, 7:27 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
sure, I'm pretty close to Saudi anyway.

Four questions:

1. what does saudi have to do with any thing?
2. Where are you
3. Are you in any kind of war.
4. are you willing to trade with me?

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| February 27, 2011, 7:29 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
/doubts the WC's chances in this war

/gollum voice
You will seeee, oh yess, you will seeee...

Quoting luke peterson
Four questions:

1. what does saudi have to do with any thing?
2. Where are you
3. Are you in any kind of war.
4. are you willing to trade with me?

1. you are Saudi Arabia aren't you?
2. I am dark green on the map, next to Alenia
3. not yet
4. sure.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:30 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Awsome! Where are you, and are you currently in a war, because I'm not ready to be attacked.


He is the American midwest, he is currently in a major war, and has already come out of a major war too. If you don't want to be attacked don't ally with him now.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:32 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

He is the American midwest, he is currently in a major war, and has already come out of a major war too. If you don't want to be attacked don't ally with him now.

Ultra is allied to heaps of people, but they're not all getting attacked. I seriously doubt Nick's gonna attack someone on the other side of the world, and right now he's got his hands full with Ultra and Brikkr...

In other words:
Luke, Don't listen to Matt! He must be secretly on the PCU's side to say something like that...
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| February 27, 2011, 7:38 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Ultra is allied to heaps of people, but they're not all getting attacked. I seriously doubt Nick's gonna attack someone on the other side of the world, and right now he's got his hands full with Ultra and Brikkr...


True, but I was just answering his question.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:39 pm


Quoting Danny Morgan

1. you are Saudi Arabia aren't you?
2. I am dark green on the map, next to Alenia
3. not yet
4. sure.

1. I am angola, DR Congo, and Madagascar
2. Awsome, I can still reach you with the amazing fuel capabilities of my helicopters, but I can only make it one way without refueling.
3. Try and keep it that way for now, and if you do, warn me and I can send some troops.
4. I need some sort of faster aircraft and tanks, lots and lots of tanks.

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| February 27, 2011, 7:40 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Ultra is allied to heaps of people, but they're not all getting attacked. I seriously doubt Nick's gonna attack someone on the other side of the world, and right now he's got his hands full with Ultra and Brikkr...

In other words:
Luke, Don't listen to Matt! He must be secretly on the PCU's side to say something like that...

so... You're saying I should Ally with him too?

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| February 27, 2011, 7:42 pm
@ luke
Fast planes? sure:
Long range fast attack steath fighter plane type thingies:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5452541416/

And just because we're allies now, that doesn't mean you have to attack my enemies if i enter a war on anything. Only if you want to.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:44 pm
Quoting luke peterson
so... You're saying I should Ally with him too?

Up to you. If you want a powerful and loyal ally, sure.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:45 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting luke peterson

According to the Claims thread, you only own Angola.

Yeah, then I expanded upwards and sent troops to claim Madagascar.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:45 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Up to you. If you want a powerful and loyal ally, sure.

About the planes, the link you sent me was perfect, I'll give you ten helis for ten planes.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:47 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Yeah, then I expanded upwards and sent troops to claim Madagascar.

Imperialism is generally frowned upon, but it's not completely dis-allowed, look at Awe (china)...
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| February 27, 2011, 7:48 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
/Raises hand

Okay, I can't help you at the moment, but I can trade.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:49 pm
Quoting luke peterson
About the planes, the link you sent me was perfect, I'll give you ten helis for ten planes.

I like your helicopter design, but it looks like it's meant to be dirt-cheap, and the A7 is meant to be state-of-the-art, so how about 50 heli's for 10 A7s?
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| February 27, 2011, 7:52 pm
Quoting Thomas N
/facepalm

Awe has only conquered China because he began as China.

so?
I'm not being critical of Awe, infact I think expansion is a little over-h-ted (not rated).
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| February 27, 2011, 7:54 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You conquered two countries in as many days?

Yeah, they we not owned, And when I ran into enemy resistance, the napalm and other bombs scared the mess outta them. See why I chose napalm, It's the psycological effect of seeing an entire city on fire.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:55 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Luke, Don't listen to Matt! He must be secretly on the PCU's side to say something like that...


There are so many reasons wrong with that statement.
1) I have never been allied with Nick- ever
2) While Ultra and I don't see eye-to-eye, I do respect him
3) I don't care about what is happening in America, only what affects my own teeny corner of the world
4) I would much rather fight against Nick and his allies in Egypt than with them. I am not insinuating that I would, but yeah. You have my views.

Most of all, the only people I have "strong" ties with (as in I would go to war to help them) are the UK and Russia, and a select few others.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:57 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I like your helicopter design, but it looks like it's meant to be dirt-cheap, and the A7 is meant to be state-of-the-art, so how about 50 heli's for 10 A7s?

Forty, those bombs aren't cheap.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:57 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Yeah, they we not owned, And when I ran into enemy resistance, the napalm and other bombs scared the mess outta them. See why I chose napalm, It's the psycological effect of seeing an entire city on fire.


The Congo is used to things worse than fire. Such as genocide, r@pe and murder of innocents, etc.
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| February 27, 2011, 7:58 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Not even me? :'(


"Select few others" ;)
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| February 27, 2011, 8:00 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Yeah, then I expanded upwards and sent troops to claim Madagascar.

You need to slow down the invading, there's no way you claimed those countries that quickly and I am also beginning to doubt that you could beat them militarily. But also how exactly will you govern the people of Madagascar from Angola, not to mention whether or not the people over in Madagascar even want to be governed by you. You will need to take a lot of these into account before you randomly invade countries.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:01 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
You do realize that you need to fight your way through and occupy most of a country to annex it yes? To take control of the DRCongo, you would need to defeat their military in some of the most hostile terrain on the planet and occupy most of the country. Same goes with Madagascar, only you need to find the capability to transport a significant force all the way to that island. All of this takes time, and since you apperently invaded two countries, both bigger and more populous then you, it will probably take a good chunk of
time.

Remember, you only start of with the military capability of real world Angola, supplemented by your three MOC's, IE, about 110,000 people total, a few tiny patrol boats, two dozen or so T-72's, and 40 or so MiG-21/23's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Angola


I just searched Madagascar on wiki, they have 13,500 active soldiers and are using old soviet WW2 weapons. Plus, you'd be suprised how effective napalm is on a forest.

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| February 27, 2011, 8:04 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

But you forget that compulsory service has been in effect since 2024. At any moment, 3/4 the populace is trained and ready to fight.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:05 pm
hey Tom, you said my A7 couldn't be stealth because it was blocky, but you said the Dove could be because it isn't blocky.

www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5149773962/

does that look not-blocky to you? I personally think it looks great, but it's blocky, like my A7...
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| February 27, 2011, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

So how many men do you have in reserve? You surely don't have the man power the Soviet Union had to throw at Germany, and a draft would only open up the possiblity of even more rioters.

Just read the statistics, dude. I had 115,000 when I started this war. That's just infantry, not counting Marines and PN troops. You do the math. Oh, I have men in training that I announced earlier.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:06 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
I just searched Madagascar on wiki, they have 13,500 active soldiers and are using old soviet WW2 weapons. Plus, you'd be suprised how effective napalm is on a forest.

It took me several months to eliminate mere rebels in Chechnya [a tiny piece of territory compared to what you're claiming]; and I have one the more qualified militaries presently known. I highly doubt, and do say you don't, you own two separate and densely challenging countries. You don't have the industry, monetary backing, government backing, populace backing, nor any other means to invade two fairly sized nations. Try again, bucko.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:10 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Luke, read what I wrote in response a few posts up. It takes more then two days to invade, defeat, occupy, and annex two countries. Frankly, it would take longer then that to get halfway across the Congo, due to the total lack of infrastructure.

I'm very sorry. I am new to this, And I didn't realize how much neede to be taken into account.

But after extensive Wiki'ing I will continue with my invasion, I need the resources these countries have, And I know I can beat Madagascar, Easily. Probably without even landing any tanks. And after a while, I know I can Beat DC Congo. They are unorganized, and as far as I know, They are dealing with a small terrorist group right now.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:12 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The MAF-2 looks like an improved F-22.

Certainly not as blocky and unstealthy as yours.

ok...

But it is blocky, in fact I wouldn't say my A7 was even that much blockier to be honest. I guess I should make a minifig scale version so you can compare their stealthiness better.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:12 pm
Quoting luke peterson
I'm very sorry. I am new to this, And I didn't realize how much neede to be taken into account.

But after extensive Wiki'ing I will continue with my invasion, I need the resources these countries have, And I know I can beat Madagascar, Easily. Probably without even landing any tanks. And after a while, I know I can Beat DC Congo. They are unorganized, and as far as I know, They are dealing with a small terrorist group right now.


You won't be facing the military so much as the
various militias, hardened from all the civil wars. Added to the geographical advantage they have, it's a drawn out Somme for you.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:16 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
It took me several months to eliminate mere rebels in Chechnya [a tiny piece of territory compared to what you're claiming]; and I have one the more qualified militaries presently known. I highly doubt, and do say you don't, you own two separate and densely challenging countries. You don't have the industry, monetary backing, government backing, populace backing, nor any other means to invade two fairly sized nations. Try again, bucko.

Remember, This is twenty years from now, Who says the government isn't stable, and the economy could be booming. about the government and populace backing, Am I supposed to take a vote or ask the people?

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| February 27, 2011, 8:16 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Look at the F-22.

The MAF-2 is stealthy because it is essentially the design of the F-22, only improved with Awe's own flare.

Your plane, if made to mini fig scale, would still look like a block with a cockpit, wings, a tail, and engines.

ok, I'll forget about the A7 for now. Instead I'll make a one-brick high plane with lots of smooth curves (something which the Dove does not possess.)
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| February 27, 2011, 8:17 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
And who says Nikc has to abide by how much he had previously?

Addressed in FM...
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| February 27, 2011, 8:17 pm
Luke:
Apparently my A7 s-cks, so I'll trade 10 of them for 25 helis without the bombs, if you want.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:19 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Remember, This is twenty years from now, Who says the government isn't stable, and the economy could be booming. about the government and populace backing, Am I supposed to take a vote or ask the people?

As Evan said, you need an economy. Without an economy, the basic Angolan individual will pretty much resent a drawn-out situation like the war[s] you're proposing. Maybe put a few dollars in their pockets and let them live comfortably for a few months and they'll think otherwise.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:19 pm
Quoting luke peterson
so... If I make a vehicle that can defend against aircraft, and is durable, I can trade you production rights for a loan to sponsor my military campaign?

Not exactly, My idea was to pay for your engineers to design a durable AA vehicle completely out of my own pocket, and in return, you give me production rights to the vehicles. So essentially, you are designing a project that I'm paying for, as I'm kinda having a building block at the moment and can't make many decent military vehicles.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:32 pm
sure, I already have a prototype I was working on earlier. do you have any other wants, I can add a anti-personell machine gun, or a section to hold soldiers?
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| February 27, 2011, 8:36 pm
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Please, don't make me waste my time deleting double posts. Its not cool.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:39 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Please, don't make me waste my time deleting double posts. Its not cool.

Oops! was that me, sorry!
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| February 27, 2011, 8:41 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Oops! was that me, sorry!


And Danny, who should have known better given how many times I've warned about this...
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| February 27, 2011, 8:42 pm
Quoting luke peterson
sure, I already have a prototype I was working on earlier. do you have any other wants, I can add a anti-personell machine gun, or a section to hold soldiers?

Yeah, that'd be good if it hand anti-personell measures as well. Also, I'll pay for the construction of one factory for you to produce the vehicle.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:42 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Yeah, that'd be good if it hand anti-personell measures as well. Also, I'll pay for the construction of one factory for you to produce the vehicle.

Thank you! Really, I can't thank you enough!
This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:44 pm
Without the US, I'd say Angola would become even more stable. If I were you, I'd try to get my hands on an economy before going around toting guns at other nations, when you can't even control your own people. Start drilling for oil, build up your infrastructure, education, etc. then go take down some poor NPC country.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:47 pm
Quoting luke peterson

Ok, I'll thrw you a bone, how about this, BP will buy your oil wells to drill from. That should give you enough money to start up. We'll even throw in 10% of the oil to sweaten up the deal.

But on the issue of your conquering of random countries, we highly condone that. We believe that your actions are highly imperialistic and we ask you to stop.

So we will compromise with you, The Commonwealth will allow you to conduct business with BP as long as you stay away from Madagascar.
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| February 27, 2011, 8:56 pm
Quoting henry wang
Ok, I'll thrw you a bone, how about this, BP will buy your oil wells to drill from. That should give you enough money to start up. We'll even throw in 10% of the oil to sweaten up the deal.

But on the issue of your conquering of random countries, we highly condone that. We believe that your actions are highly imperialistic and we ask you to stop.

So we will compromise with you, The Commonwealth will allow you to conduct business with BP as long as you stay away from Madagascar.

I am sorry, But as I have already dropped a few bombs on madagascar, I do not believe they will let me apologize and walk away. Although, I promise after I own madagascar, I will let it rule it's self, elect it's own government and trade freely. my military presence will be small and unnoticed. I will not continue once I capture madagascars recources. You must realize, this is only to help my economy.
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| February 27, 2011, 9:01 pm
Quoting luke peterson
I am sorry, But as I have already dropped a few bombs on madagascar, I do not believe they will let me apologize and walk away. Although, I promise after I own madagascar, I will let it rule it's self, elect it's own government and trade freely. my military presence will be small and unnoticed. I will not continue once I capture madagascars recources. You must realize, this is only to help my economy.

The Commonwealth will not back down, and until you remove forces from South Africa the deal is off.

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| February 27, 2011, 9:03 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Commonwealth will not back down, and until you remove forces from South Africa the deal is off.

do you mean, the country or the region?


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| February 27, 2011, 9:27 pm
Quoting luke peterson

I mean the country, I #1 question how you were able to conquer them. #2 I dislike the fact that you are slowly becoming an empire, those are frowned upon by modern societies.
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| February 27, 2011, 9:31 pm
Quoting henry wang
I mean the country, I #1 question how you were able to conquer them. #2 I dislike the fact that you are slowly becoming an empire, those are frowned upon by modern societies.

I am not trying to form an empire, I am trying to capture recources for my economy
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| February 27, 2011, 9:39 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Quoting luke peterson

Brendonia would like to fund your nation's conquest, but in return would like a small plot of land, particularly one with oil or any other useful resource.
I am sorry, but after Madagascar, there will be no conquest

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| February 27, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting henry wang

I have a couple of design I wants to produce but i don't have the industry to manufacture them. Would be interested in allowing me to use some of your factories and drydocks in exchange for the rights to produce them and 1% of our total yearly oil output?
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| February 27, 2011, 9:45 pm
Quoting C A
I have a couple of design I wants to produce but i don't have the industry to manufacture them. Would be interested in allowing me to use some of your factories and drydocks in exchange for the rights to produce them and 1% of our total yearly oil output?


Spanish drydocks are nearly empty at this time, so you are more than welcome to produce them here. We don't want the 1% oil, though.
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| February 27, 2011, 9:49 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I have lots more reserves to draw from


And the PCU can match those numbers. When they go down, the draft comes in, and when it's draftee versus draftee, the PCU will win, just because they've got more people to put into battle.

Quoting Thomas N
The MAF-2 is stealthy because it is essentially the design of the F-22, only improved with Awe's own flare.


Fo sho.


Quoting Thomas N
Look around you today. Do you see any countries anywhere making massive empires anymore?

Imperialism is unrealistic, and therefore we frown upon it.


America's economic imperialism, yes, I see that. It's not unrealistic, it's just frowned upon because of all the wars it resulted in.
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| February 27, 2011, 9:50 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And the PCU can match those numbers. When they go down, the draft comes in, and when it's draftee versus draftee, the PCU will win, just because they've got more people to put into battle.

Perhaps, but oil will soon become a problem. I'm rolling in it, and he hasn't expanded drilling or anything. I've cut his oil off from the Gulf, and you can't get oil from windmills or solar panels.

That, and his population just went down by 1,545,801 with the securing of Idaho. Now all those nicely trained civilian reserves are mine. Thank you, PCU!
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| February 27, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting C A
I have a couple of design I wants to produce but i don't have the industry to manufacture them. Would be interested in allowing me to use some of your factories and drydocks in exchange for the rights to produce them and 1% of our total yearly oil output?

You can use my factories in Britain, but well my drydocks are tied down because of naval buildup. I could spare 3 in South Africa if you want.
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| February 27, 2011, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Perhaps, but oil will soon become a problem. I'm rolling in it, and he hasn't expanded drilling or anything. I've cut his oil off from the Gulf, and you can't get oil from windmills or solar panels.

That, and his population just went down by 1,545,801 with the securing of Idaho. Now all those nicely trained civilian reserves are mine. Thank you, PCU!


Good thing half our vehicles don't run on oil, or run on very little oil (hybrid engines). I was no halfwit when I started the PCU, I knew we had little oil, so I made do with what I could get.

And good luck trying to get your portions of Idaho to turn on their countrymen (that's like the PCU going into Utah and getting them to fight against you). I left behind a legacy of brainwashing and propaganda for Nick to use, and I have no doubt he's used it since my time in command passed.
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| February 27, 2011, 10:11 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Good thing half our vehicles don't run on oil, or run on very little oil (hybrid engines). I was no halfwit when I started the PCU, I knew we had little oil, so I made do with what I could get.



Same here, I converted most of my vehicles to hybrids during upgrades, and since we have mostly nuclear power and reduced importance on automobiles we can have more than enough oil for our air force and others.
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| February 27, 2011, 10:24 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Good thing half our vehicles don't run on oil, or run on very little oil (hybrid engines). I was no halfwit when I started the PCU, I knew we had little oil, so I made do with what I could get.

And good luck trying to get your portions of Idaho to turn on their countrymen (that's like the PCU going into Utah and getting them to fight against you). I left behind a legacy of brainwashing and propaganda for Nick to use, and I have no doubt he's used it since my time in command passed.

I'm content to keep the personnel right now. Your planes run on sunshine, do they?
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| February 27, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm content to keep the personnel right now. Your planes run on sunshine, do they?


I wish, then they'd fly until something broke down. Nay, the planes run on oil, but that's about it. All the ground vehicles run on either half oil, half something else (electricity, hydrogen, ethanol), or entirely on something else.
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| February 27, 2011, 10:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm content to keep the personnel right now. Your planes run on sunshine, do they?

I'm trying to build a UAV that does this. It's basically a flying-wing UAV, and has solar panels on top of it's wings. I'm hoping it will be able to cruise around for days at a time, surveying and stuff.

Is this too unrealistic?
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| February 27, 2011, 10:41 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I wish, then they'd fly until something broke down. Nay, the planes run on oil, but that's about it. All the ground vehicles run on either half oil, half something else (electricity, hydrogen, ethanol), or entirely on something else.

I'd love to see how reliable those are. They've never been tested on anything as big as a tank. Either that, or they'd be ridiculously expensive (just compare a Prius with a Camry). Of course, the HAT-1 is hugely expensive anyway...

Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm trying to build a UAV that does this. It's basically a flying-wing UAV, and has solar panels on top of it's wings. I'm hoping it will be able to cruise around for days at a time, surveying and stuff.

Is this too unrealistic?

No, but why waste perfectly good money on research when I can have the oil?
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| February 27, 2011, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I'd love to see how reliable those are. They've never been tested on anything as big as a tank. Either that, or they'd be ridiculously expensive (just compare a Prius with a Camry). Of course, the HAT-1 is hugely expensive anyway...


Money is of no concern when everything is nationalized. We, well, Nick, has other ways of getting income. Is business government, or is government business?
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| February 27, 2011, 10:45 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'm trying to build a UAV that does this. It's basically a flying-wing UAV, and has solar panels on top of it's wings. I'm hoping it will be able to cruise around for days at a time, surveying and stuff.

Is this too unrealistic?


Not in the slightest, I believe NASA has a UAV exactly like that, or they're trying to make one. It's supposed to never have to land to refuel.

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| February 27, 2011, 10:46 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Money is of no concern when everything is nationalized. We, well, Nick, has other ways of getting income. Is business government, or is government business?

Well, as we saw with Russia, that system is self-defeating. Freedom of enterprise is the way to go! It is the WC way!
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| February 27, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, as we saw with Russia, that system is self-defeating. Freedom of enterprise is the way to go! It is the WC way!


It worked long enough. Now in China, I have no need for that, not yet. I did just throw out the Commies after all. But if some bonehead decides to let money overrule his duty to the homeland... I'm sure you feel the same way about that, being the patriot you are.
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| February 27, 2011, 10:54 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

It worked long enough. Now in China, I have no need for that, not yet. I did just throw out the Commies after all. But if some bonehead decides to let money overrule his duty to the homeland... I'm sure you feel the same way about that, being the patriot you are.

I shoot or hang traitors, but I don't take their money. Breeds bad habits.
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| February 27, 2011, 10:56 pm
We have just recieved a death threat from the PCU. Apparently Nick is extremely aggrivated and emotional, and wishes to destroy me. Just thought I'd warn you guys before he randomly attacks me.
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| February 27, 2011, 11:02 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I shoot or hang traitors, but I don't take their money. Breeds bad habits.


Indeed, indeed, Despite our differences, we think alike in many ways.


Quoting Danny Morgan
We have just recieved a death threat from the PCU. Apparently Nick is extremely aggrivated and emotional, and wishes to destroy me. Just thought I'd warn you guys before he randomly attacks me.


Nick's been filling me in on those, you're no less guilty yourself. Lying is a sin, you know.
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| February 27, 2011, 11:06 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Indeed, indeed, Despite our differences, we think alike in many ways.


Quoting Danny Morgan
We have just recieved a death threat from the PCU. Apparently Nick is extremely aggrivated and emotional, and wishes to destroy me. Just thought I'd warn you guys before he randomly attacks me.


Nick's been filling me in on those, you're no less guilty yourself. Lying is a sin, you know.

not lying, unless Nick is altering the comments on Gmail to show himself in a better light. Join the group chat and see for youself if you want.
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| February 27, 2011, 11:09 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan

not lying, unless Nick is altering the comments on Gmail to show himself in a better light. Join the group chat and see for youself if you want.


So saying that you're going to attack him isn't a threat? Son, I am confused.
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| February 27, 2011, 11:10 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So saying that you're going to attack him isn't a threat? Son, I am confused.

If he attacks me, surprisingly simple actually. He attacks me (as been hinting on, and acting on for a while) I attack him.
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| February 27, 2011, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Indeed, indeed, Despite our differences, we think alike in many ways.

Indeed. It is a pity we aren't on the same side of this war.
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| February 27, 2011, 11:50 pm
full mobilization time.

Today in the CESN, the Uzbekistan military (reported to be the largest in Asia) prepared for imminent attack by the PCU pigs. After experiencing the PCU's unprovoked attacks in the past, we do not doubt the PCU's capacity to attack a nation for no good reason, so we don't feel we are overreacting to their threats.

50 of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-27
30 of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21
and a number of other AA artillery/missile systems have been deployed across all major cities in Uzbekistan.

our old, but significantly large airforce is also in play. Troops prepare for a possible ground invasion by allies of the PCU. Black-outs in the cities, curfews enforced.

10 A7s flown to Angola, and our 25 helis arrived also.
our remaining A7's location is secret and hidden, as is our considerably large supply of Valkyries, but I can reveal that they are not all in one place. So even if someone finds out (somehow) where a batch of them are, they'll only find 10 at the most.


we would also like to make it clear that the WC's cause against the PCU has the support of the CESN. Allies of the PCU note: This is not meant to be a war against you guys, this is meant to be between me and the PCU, but if you want to start a world war, go ahead and attack me.

In the meantime, the CESN has increased the development speed of a number of military projects, which will not be revealed until posted to Flickr or Mocpages.

One last note:
Anyone willing to acquire some uranium can trade fighters, especially long range air superiority and bombers with me.
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| February 27, 2011, 11:52 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Indeed. It is a pity we aren't on the same side of this war.


Perhaps one day we shall, though I see it as unlikely as long as you, Nick, Gober, and I all live at once. We were made to fight, perhaps.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Today in the CESN, the Uzbekistan military (reported to be the largest in Asia)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWJlGwJqVlk
For every man, women, and child in your nation, I could match with a soldier. Maybe poorly armed, but a soldier.

Quoting Danny Morgan
we would also like to make it clear that the WC's cause against the PCU has the support of the CESN. Allies of the PCU note: This is not meant to be a war against you guys, this is meant to be between me and the PCU, but if you want to start a world war, go ahead and attack me.


You're in a dangerous position, declaring your support for the enemy of two of your neighbors.
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| February 28, 2011, 12:01 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Perhaps one day we shall, though I see it as unlikely as long as you, Nick, Gober, and I all live at once. We were made to fight, perhaps.

Nick won't be around too much longer, though.
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| February 28, 2011, 12:08 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Nick won't be around too much longer, though.


Something tells me that's not going to be the case, but whatever you say.
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| February 28, 2011, 12:12 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Something tells me that's not going to be the case, but whatever you say.

We shall see, we shall see.
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| February 28, 2011, 12:15 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Nick won't be around too much longer, though.

Hehehe...

@ Awe.
You already knew I supported Ultra.

@Awe part 2
If you read the article on UZbekistan military in wikipedia, you'll see it says it is the largest military in Asia. So it appears we have conflicting sources.
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| February 28, 2011, 2:38 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Hehehe...

@ Awe.
You already knew I supported Ultra.

@Awe part 2
If you read the article on UZbekistan military in wikipedia, you'll see it says it is the largest military in Asia. So it appears we have conflicting sources.


"Uzbekistan possesses the largest military force in the Central Asian region having around 65,000 people in uniform."

"With 2.3 million active troops, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is the largest military in the world."

Of course, I don't have 2.3 million active troops, only 900,000. And it's the Imperial Kaoxiang Army, not that communist farce.

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| February 28, 2011, 3:02 am
@ Awe
The article said the largest in Asia, but it (not me) could have gotten that wrong.

I'll have to have another look at the article, but I'm pretty sure it said I have more than 100,000 soldier, at least 300,000 I think...

In CESN news:
Large number of military projects popping up, and these are just the non-classified ones:
- Tesla coil research. Status: under research.
- solar powered UAV (does not need to land to refuel). Status: looking hopeful, prototype nearly finished.
- laser weapons to be mounted on the back of heavy army trucks. Status: 99% likely to enter production, ie very hopeful.

And there's another 3 projects that are classified.
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| February 28, 2011, 4:04 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
full mobilization time.

Today in the CESN, the Uzbekistan military (reported to be the largest in Asia) prepared for imminent attack by the PCU pigs. After experiencing the PCU's unprovoked attacks in the past, we do not doubt the PCU's capacity to attack a nation for no good reason, so we don't feel we are overreacting to their threats.

50 of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-27
30 of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21
and a number of other AA artillery/missile systems have been deployed across all major cities in Uzbekistan.

our old, but significantly large airforce is also in play. Troops prepare for a possible ground invasion by allies of the PCU. Black-outs in the cities, curfews enforced.

10 A7s flown to Angola, and our 25 helis arrived also.
our remaining A7's location is secret and hidden, as is our considerably large
supply of Valkyries, but I can reveal that they are not all in one place. So even if someone finds out (somehow) where a batch of them are, they'll only find 10 at the most.


we would also like to make it clear that the WC's cause against the PCU has the support of the CESN. Allies of the PCU note: This is not meant to be a
war against you guys, this is meant to be between me and the PCU, but if you want to start a world war, go ahead and attack me.

In the meantime, the CESN has increased the development speed of a number of military projects, which will not be revealed until posted to Flickr or Mocpages.

One last note:
Anyone willing to acquire some uranium can trade fighters, especially long range air superiority and bombers with me.


I can definatly spare 10 more helis for your cause. I will also have That AA vehicle up soon enough.

By the way, how do people communicate with others secretly? I don't get it.

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| February 28, 2011, 6:29 am
Today in the RAS...

Ten Helis are sent to Uzbekistan, Ten to Madagascar, If you haven't noniced, these helis are dirt cheap. Troops in Madagascar are ordered to keep civilian casualties to a minimum. Five A-7s are also sent to Madagascar with orders to take down any enemy aircraft. My transports arrive in the front lines of DC Congo, troops dig in and pray for no retaliation. If DC requests we leave, we will.
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| February 28, 2011, 6:39 am
@ Brendan
I've decided otherwise. They will basically act as very cheep and plentiful satellites, probably around or cheeper than an average unmanned communication/recon satellite, only without the cost of the rocket to get them into space. I've done the research, and you're wrong, they're very cheep, and effective as sub-orbital satellites/recon planes. And I'll technically never have to bring them down to refuel, thanks to the solar-panel fuel cells that will keep the the plane going through the night And recharge during the day.

@ Luke
Thanks for the extra helis! Btw as they're cheep, you'd probably be able to manufacture plenty of them for relatively low price. We're testing them out now, and they're effective at their light transport/patrol roles. Also, that new AA tank I'm funding you to make, is it a normal tank or a halftrack? Just out of interest. Either works.

And most people communicate secretly through Flickr Mail.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:01 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I wish, then they'd fly until something broke down. Nay, the planes run on oil, but that's about it. All the ground vehicles run on either half oil, half something else (electricity, hydrogen, ethanol), or entirely on something else.

I honestly can't imagine a monstrously sized vehicles like the HAT-1 running half on electricity. Nuclear power maybe.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:14 am
Quoting Danny Morgan

That reminds me, I forgot to mention my arms industry recently.

So: over the last while, we've been working on building up a 1:1 ratio of T-72s to Volcitsas in the active army units. So far it hasn't had too many hitches.

...Also, I'm really quite glad I haven't got involved in a land war yet, because no two sources give the same numbers for Kazakh military equipment.

Quoting luke peterson
I just searched Madagascar on wiki, they have 13,500 active soldiers and are using old soviet WW2 weapons. Plus, you'd be suprised how effective napalm is on a forest.

There is the minor fact that after burning down half the island you won't have anything worth keeping, but I'll assume you know that. However: actually beating the Madagascar military isn't the problem. Beating the stragglers who pull hit and run raids on anything that isn't guarded well enough, is.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:18 am
Quoting Areetsa C

This is unrelated, but do you believe me when I say I have no quarrel with you or any other of the PCU's allies? Like I've said, this is meant to be between me and the PCU only, after he as-good-as declared war on me by bombing my factories unprovoked.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:23 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
This is unrelated, but do you believe me when I say I have no quarrel with you or any other of the PCU's allies? Like I've said, this is meant to be between me and the PCU only, after he as-good-as declared war on me by bombing my factories unprovoked.

If you're having a feud with the PCU, I don't really care which way it goes as long as you boys don't blow up anything that doesn't belong to you.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:26 am
Quoting Areetsa C
If you're having a feud with the PCU, I don't really care which way it goes as long as you boys don't blow up anything that doesn't belong to you.

Good, thanks for understanding.

I don't think Awe's going to be as neutral, but at least that's one less potential angry pitchfork-wielding neighbor to worry about...
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| February 28, 2011, 7:30 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Good, thanks for understanding.

I don't think Awe's going to be as neutral, but at least that's one less potential angry pitchfork-wielding neighbor to worry about...

No, this isn't neutrality, this is apathy. I don't really care which side wins.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:36 am
Quoting Areetsa C
No, this isn't neutrality, this is apathy. I don't really care which side wins.

Call it what you want, I'm just glad you're not trying to kill me, as Nick (or was it Awe..?) was sure you would, for me uniting with the WC to get revenge on the PCU.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:45 am
Alaska highly condems Egypt's act of chemical warfare. We wish to inform Egypt that further attacks on the WC or EC will provoke certain hostility with Alaska.
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| February 28, 2011, 11:10 am
A new shipyard is under construction in Haiti, to promote job creation, and to provide naval craft for the war effort (though we hope this conflict will be over by the time it is finished). The reserves have finished mobilizing, and all static AA and missile defenses are in place around the CDC. The Navy has begun setting up sea routes for inter-island travel in the CDC, and will be putting a great deal of focus on these routes. In this time of war, we are urging all commercial and private traffic to stick to these sea lanes, as not only are these the most efficient routes, they will also offer much more protection against subs and pirates then in the open sea. Our Navy has begun deploying sonar buoys along the routes, as well. We would like to note that these routes are very spacious, and will not hinder trade at all.
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| February 28, 2011, 3:37 pm
Spain would like to warn the EC, based on public hints, that if so much as a drop of water is spilled from the Cataracts, there will be consequences. And by drop of water, I'm referring by the flooding you intend to cause.
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| February 28, 2011, 3:45 pm
I will start to drill for oil on the coast in an effort to stimulate the economy. I also open up various mining operations aroud the country. If any oil company wants to in vest in me, I would be glad to let you drill in my country. also, I send ten more helis to pakistan and madagascar.
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| February 28, 2011, 3:48 pm
Just curious, can we use the vehicles that our country already has? Or can we only use what we build?
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| February 28, 2011, 4:57 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Just curious, can we use the vehicles that our country already has? Or can we only use what we build?
We can use what our countries start with. For instance, I've got F-15s and F-16s that I haven't built or purchased from another country. I just started with them.

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| February 28, 2011, 5:04 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting luke peterson
Just curious, can we use the vehicles that our country already has? Or can we only use what we build?
We can use what our countries start with. For instance, I've got F-15s and F-16s that I haven't built or purchased from another country. I just started with them.


In that case...

I will send
40 heavy tanks
10 light tanks
12 BMP-2s
20 MiG-2s
and 10 mobile missile defense systems.

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| February 28, 2011, 5:14 pm
Egypt assures Alaska that we will no longer attack the WC with chemical weapons. We try to think of something original every round. :P
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| February 28, 2011, 5:23 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Egypt assures Alaska that we will no longer attack the WC with chemical weapons. We try to think of something original every round. :P

I'm afraid that's not my point. As Alaska's closest ally, we'll defend the WC from foreign attack, no matter who from.
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| February 28, 2011, 5:28 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Egypt assures Alaska that we will no longer attack the WC with chemical weapons. We try to think of something original every round. :P

Me, I'm kinda boring. Thermobaric weapons work so well, why change? Do something again and you'll find that out the hard way.

Quoting Thomas N
So shortened plans are requested and appreciated.

I could send you an abridged version of what I've already submitted?
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| February 28, 2011, 5:30 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
I'm afraid that's not my point. As Alaska's closest ally, we'll defend the WC from foreign attack, no matter who from.

I thought we agreed that we wouldn't fight no matter whose side of the war we're on.
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| February 28, 2011, 5:39 pm
Quoting Thomas N
MIG-2s are WW2 era -planes. You'd be better off using your 6 Su-27s.


I'll keep my MIGs I don't want to waste the good planes in a war I will already win. Plus, if they worked in WW2, why not now?
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| February 28, 2011, 5:53 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I thought we agreed that we wouldn't fight no matter whose side of the war we're on.

That is my treaty with you, but my treaties with the Confederations determine otherwise. I'll do my best to maintain peace between us, but my treaty with the WC overules my no-fire agreement with you.
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| February 28, 2011, 5:56 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
That would be lovely.

I will try my best.
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| February 28, 2011, 5:57 pm
Quoting Thomas N
By the way guys, CR will be shorter tonight and possibly late, as I have much work to do. So shortened plans are requested and appreciated.


I hope my plans weren't too long, as I've heard tales of the essays that have been sent in by others in this group.
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| February 28, 2011, 6:17 pm
I don't get this CR thing, what is it?
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| February 28, 2011, 6:22 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
That is my treaty with you, but my treaties with the Confederations determine otherwise. I'll do my best to maintain peace between us, but my treaty with the WC overules my no-fire agreement with you.

I wish you had told me that when we made the agreement...
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| February 28, 2011, 6:25 pm
Quoting luke peterson
I don't get this CR thing, what is it?

When two controlled nations go to war, a CR decides what happens. That way one person doesn't get to say ridiculous things like "I just killed your whole army, so ha, I win." The CR looks at both sides' militaries and judges how the conflict will go.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I wish you had told me that when we made the agreement...

I'm sorry, but my economy is so closely tied with the WC that it would cost me more to let them fall than it would to defend them.
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| February 28, 2011, 6:27 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
When two controlled nations go to war, a CR decides what happens. That way one person doesn't get to say ridiculous things like "I just killed your whole army, so ha, I win." The CR looks at both sides' militaries and judges how the conflict will go.


so is it like, He has a better army so he wins, or do you go I send a squad of tanks to meet yours and then the CR decides how many tanks make it out.

Either way, Do you only have to do a CR if you're fighting another player, or anytime you want to battle an army?

Does he go through the thread and look at all the wars, or do you have to E-mail him about a fight?

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| February 28, 2011, 6:36 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I honestly can't imagine a monstrously sized vehicles like the HAT-1 running half on electricity.


Have you seen how big the engine vents are on that thing? It's not underpowered, that's for sure. It's engine on treads with armor and many weapons.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Nuclear power maybe.


/trollface
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| February 28, 2011, 6:37 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Quoting Jack Ford
When two controlled nations go to war, a CR decides what happens. That way one person doesn't get to say ridiculous things like "I just killed your whole army, so ha, I win." The CR looks at both sides' militaries and judges how the conflict will go.


so is it like, He has a better army so he wins, or do you go I send a squad of tanks to meet yours and then the CR decides how many tanks make it out.

Either way, Do you only have to do a CR if you're fighting another player, or anytime you want to battle an army?

Does he go through the thread and look at all the wars, or do you have to E-mail him about a fight?

The CR is only needed when you're fighting another player-controlled country, although in past groups there's been a few times when certain people just couldn't be realistic so they got appointed a CR for their expansions.

The CR usually takes lots of things into consideration. If a really poorly equipped army uses brilliant tactics, they still have a chance of winning. Orders are sent via FM usually, but email works too.
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| February 28, 2011, 6:51 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
The CR is only needed when you're fighting another player-controlled country, although in past groups there's been a few times when certain people just couldn't be realistic so they got appointed a CR for their expansions.

The CR usually takes lots of things into consideration. If a really poorly equipped army uses brilliant tactics, they still have a chance of winning.
Orders are sent via FM usually, but email works too.


Thankyou. I am sorry for the inconveniance, I'm still kinda trying to figure this out.

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| February 28, 2011, 7:01 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Quoting Jack Ford
The CR is only needed when you're fighting another player-controlled country, although in past groups there's been a few times when certain people just couldn't be realistic so they got appointed a CR for their expansions.

The CR usually takes lots of things into consideration. If a really poorly equipped army uses brilliant tactics, they still have a chance of winning.
Orders are sent via FM usually, but email works too.


Thankyou. I am sorry for the inconveniance, I'm still kinda trying to figure this out.

No problem, we all started out inexperienced and confused too.
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| February 28, 2011, 7:56 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
No problem, we all started out inexperienced and confused too.

Sorry, but, another question. If I'm attacking another country, how do I know the casualties of me or the enemy. And the planes/ soldiers/ tanks/ helis,
What's happening to them?
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| February 28, 2011, 8:03 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The marshal law in Houston was lifted after the last infected person was treated this afternoon. The bloggers claimed it was a great victory for the protesters. The WCHC promptly issued a statement that it was not in response to the protests, but that the marshal law was lifted because it simply wasn't needed anymore. Investigations found that the 'real' non-infected person was in reality a deranged man with questionable mental stability that made the claims while being asked questions by some NACLU people whose time would have been better spent either helping out or decrying the bombings themselves. But, you can't reason with a mob, so we let their stomachs do the talking for us. The store owners remained fanatic in their refusal to sell to anyone protesting, and the crowds were forced to disperse in many areas. We hope they won't be coming back. The WCHC finds it highly hypocritical that a nation that so highly espouses human rights would turn around and attempt to subvert it at the same time so badly.

Law enforcement has moved in en masse to Idaho. We're sending in envoys to meet with the governor and see what we can do for the state. We'll be keeping a close eye on attempts to form a fifth column. Williams has some of his best teams in the area, and met with some of his Idahoan contacts this afternoon to see what the scoop was.

Production continues on all types.

Quoting luke peterson
Sorry, but, another question. If I'm attacking another country, how do I know the casualties of me or the enemy. And the planes/ soldiers/ tanks/ helis,
What's happening to them?

You watch lots of Shootout episodes from the History Channel, read lots of historical war stories and reports, and after all that you pretty much make it up based on what you think is a realistic estimate.
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| February 28, 2011, 8:06 pm
We have officially adjusted our foreign policy stances. We are now completely against any and all acts of terrorism, and we will declare war on any terrorist or rogue state. We have also declared that if force is used against our civilian population in war, we will give ourselves the right to use force against the civilian population of the other nation as a retaliatory strike. These two will now be the bedrock principles of our nation, but we will make decisions based on our government's interpretations.
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| February 28, 2011, 8:22 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Calling this man deranged sounds like a cover up, especially since Tom stated several people like this had to go through treatment for something they were born with. Most likely this will fuel the riots as it would also be taken as slander for the whole g@y population. And you do realize they're also protesting a war they don't want. If anything, they will grow in number as the economy goes down the drain because of a federal budget devoted almost exclusively to warfare. Then, when the reserves start to run out you'll have to conscript soldiers and slap them on the front lines to fight an obviously territorial war.

And don't flip this to apply to Nick. As he already said, most citizens are trained and able to go, like Israel has been for all of it's existence, and will most likely continue to be. Most of the soldiers will have never known a US and have been educated to obey. They also fight for their existence, for the "Fatherland". Until recently, he also hasn't been making as much as you have. Unlike you, he started with a strong navy, and didn't have to spend all of that. You, on the other hand, are making equipment as quick as you can, and are losing them just as fast.

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| February 28, 2011, 8:26 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Calling this man deranged sounds like a cover up, especially since Tom stated several people like this had to go through treatment for something they were born with. Most likely this will fuel the riots as it would also be taken as slander for the whole g@y population. And you do realize they're also protesting a war they don't want. If anything, they will grow in number as the economy goes down the drain because of a federal budget devoted almost exclusively to warfare. Then, when the reserves start to run out you'll have to conscript soldiers and slap them on the front lines to fight an obviously territorial war.

And don't flip this to apply to Nick. As he already said, most citizens are trained and able to go, like Israel has been for all of it's existence, and will most likely continue to be. Most of the soldiers will have never known a US and have been educated to obey. They also fight for their existence, for the "Fatherland". Until recently, he also hasn't been making as much as you have. Unlike you, he started with a strong navy, and didn't have to spend all of that. You, on the other hand, are making equipment as quick as you can, and are losing them just as fast.

This is honestly one of the most valid points I've ever seen in a while...
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| February 28, 2011, 8:43 pm
My forces are nearing Antanarivo, I will begin to send troops in if madagascar doesn't surrender. and trus me, there aren't any resources to damage in the city. ten mobile missile defense systems are moved to madagascar. helicopters are ordered to start loading the napalm back on, troops are sent to surround antanarivo. citezens are told to evac, tourists are also warned. I have lost three thouasand, while madagascar has lost six thousand. Again, napalm works in a forest.
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| February 28, 2011, 8:44 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I'm almost done with a new civilian MOC. It's a glider that collects power from it's rotors and transfers it to the ground via cable...kinda like a kite. You interested?
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| February 28, 2011, 9:38 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Y'know, I could do without your nagging commentary. Sit back and watch what happens why don't you?

He said it was blogged to be that many, or reportedly that many. We all know (well, I'm sure you swear by them) that blogs are 100% accurate and unbiased, right?

Germany tried the same thing with their civilian population. While the PCU's might be better trained (totally forgetting the trillions of dollars involved in the training of millions) would he have the weapons for them? What about ammunition? Should he do the "First citizen gets a rifle, the second gets the bullets" approach? That works just fine for me, I'll just sit back behind my miniguns while I shred civilians until I become sick from revulsion. Reserves are a good plan, but when you send them in with nothing but rifles, they're going gloriously to their deaths.
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| February 28, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Jake H.
I'm almost done with a new civilian MOC. It's a glider that collects power from it's rotors and transfers it to the ground via cable...kinda like a kite. You interested?

/Magazine police

You stole it from Pop. Science or Mechanics didn't you...

Anyway, you haven been on for a while.
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| February 28, 2011, 9:46 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Germany tried the same thing with their civilian population. While the PCU's might be better trained (totally forgetting the trillions of dollars involved in the training of millions) would he have the weapons for them? What about ammunition? Should he do the "First citizen gets a rifle, the second gets the bullets" approach? That works just fine for me, I'll just sit back behind my miniguns while I shred civilians until I become sick from revulsion. Reserves are a good plan, but when you send them in with nothing but rifles, they're going gloriously to their deaths.


And you have weapons for the reserve you are fast approaching? Faster so than Nick?

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| February 28, 2011, 9:48 pm
Ahh, let's see. Australia,... Australia.... hmm. Ah yes, I was going to ask if Luke wanted to be allies with me. So Luke, do you want to be allies? I know your country is a little distance away, but you seem to be capturing Madagascar. And there are some islands off the coast of Australia that I have claimed, and there are some islands like Mauritius or Reunion off the coast of Madagascar, and there could be joint naval bases there. I was just thinking it would be a good idea.


Oh yeah, admins, what are the rules for Antarctica? Rules having to do with military and land claiming and stuff like that.

Lastly I would like to state that the recession in Australia's economy has gone down and is going down gradually but steadily. Also, more money is going to "greener" solutions of energy such as large solar panels in designated areas in the outback (we're trying to keep animal life safe as we do this though), and wind turbines. Obviously this can't be accomplished in a subtle amount of time, but it's gradually beginning. Also, I read somewhere that by 2012, Australia is banning all lightbulbs that aren't compact fluorescent. So if that hasn't been done by 2037, its soon going to be.
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| February 28, 2011, 9:50 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
And you have weapons for the reserve you are fast approaching? Faster so than Nick?

Yes, because I kept up a responsible growth with my reserves. I may not have as many, but mine will be properly equipped when and if the time comes.
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| February 28, 2011, 9:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yes, because I kept up a responsible growth with my reserves. I may not have as many, but mine will be properly equipped when and if the time comes.

Listen here boy. I've been a country longer than you've been sucking air. I've had well enough time to make weapons, whether you like it or not.
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| February 28, 2011, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Matt P
Oh yeah, admins, what are the rules for Antarctica? Rules having to do with military and land claiming and stuff like that.

Antarctica shall be left for scientific purposes alone.
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| February 28, 2011, 9:54 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yes, because I kept up a responsible growth with my reserves. I may not have as many, but mine will be properly equipped when and if the time comes.


And what makes you assume Nick will go to Soviet tactics? And who says they'll be the ones charging at the minigun and getting slaughtered? Have you learned nothing of your heavy losses?
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| February 28, 2011, 9:55 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

And what makes you assume Nick will go to Soviet tactics? And who says they'll be the ones charging at the minigun and getting slaughtered? Have you learned nothing of your heavy losses?

Um, because we don't charge machine gun positions, we use artillery.

My losses have been proportionate and acceptable. I will have more coming up through training soon. Unlike you, I don't loose my head when I get a bloody nose. I have a novel idea, let's wait and see, eh?

Quoting Nick Shelton
Listen here boy, I've been a country longer than you've been gulping down air. I've had enough time to make guns and other weapons of light destruction than you've had to build half your military.

Not true entirely. I've had Texas to Arizona and up to Wyoming since your country was founded, I've only recently received the other states. While I am not as totalitarian, I've not been idle.

Besides, I have about 40-50k Guatemalans and now about 20k Belize military to draw off of.
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| February 28, 2011, 9:57 pm
Quoting Brikkr
/Magazine police

You stole it from Pop. Science or Mechanics didn't you...

Anyway, you haven been on for a while.

mebbe >.>

anyways my life is being mean to LEGO...
I haz a girlfriend, festival is coming up, some other concerts are too, I'm in an alternative rock band, and I recently got minecraft :3

anyways Imma post somethin soon-ish
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| February 28, 2011, 10:00 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Listen here boy, I've been a country longer than you've been gulping down air. I've had enough time to make guns and other weapons of light destruction than you've had to build half your military.

Don't play the I've been here longer card because it won't work. You guys have as many people as the US has today+the people that you've trained.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:03 pm
Quoting henry wang
Don't play the I've been here longer card because it won't work. You guys have as many people as the US has today+the people that you've trained.

I will play every card in my deck if that's what it takes to make my country as accurate as possible. If it's run by a semi-good man, then it'll have a major war-based population!
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| February 28, 2011, 10:05 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Antarctica shall be left for scientific purposes alone.

Ok, just wondering.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:06 pm
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I love how no one had a problem with Nick and I claiming we've been around since the 2010s until it comes time to fight with us.

In China today:

-Production of the secrets goes on. We've got nearly 70 done now.
-The first outriders have reached the Indian border in Tibet, but great swathes of country still have yet to see a single Chinese boot, let alone be cleared of pesky rebels.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:08 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I will play every card in my deck if that's what it takes to make my country as accurate as possible. If it's run by a semi-good man, then it'll have a major war-based population!

Well it doesn't make it accurate because none of us can see the future , and so am I about right. You have no economy, and you just run your country solely around the military. Where exactly do you get your resources to feed your people and army, where do you get the money to fund everything, and how exactly are you getting resources to begin with because your area is quite scarce on raw materials.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:09 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Whatever you say. Maybe this war is for the better. Wouldn't want to share a border with someone like you anyway, trying to eliminate anyone who is a threat.

That's right, better go someplace safe, like France...
Quoting henry wang
Well it doesn't make it accurate because none of us can see the future , and so am I about right. You have no economy, and you just run your country solely around the military. Where exactly do you get your resources to feed your people and army, where do you get the money to fund everything, and how exactly are you getting resources to begin with because your area is quite scarce on raw materials.

I've been wondering where he gets his food. Only so many meals can consist of oranges and fermented grape juice.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's right, better go someplace safe, like France...

Who said I was quitting? It's hard to beat someone who never gives up, like myself.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:14 pm
Quoting henry wang
We have officially adjusted our foreign policy stances. We are now completely against any and all acts of terrorism, and we will declare war on any terrorist or rogue state. We have also declared that if force is used against our civilian population in war, we will give ourselves the right to use force against the civilian population of the other nation as a retaliatory strike. These two will now be the bedrock principles of our nation, but we will make decisions based on our government's interpretations.

Good luck mate. You're now at war with the Western Confederation.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:17 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's right, better go someplace safe, like France...
Quoting henry wang
Well it doesn't make it accurate because none of us can see the future , and so am I about right. You have no economy, and you just run your country solely around the military. Where exactly do you get your resources to feed your people and army, where do you get the money to fund everything, and how exactly are you getting resources to begin with because your area is quite scarce on raw materials.

I've been wondering where he gets his food. Only so many meals can consist of oranges and fermented grape juice.

I have all the oranges buddy!

Quoting Areetsa C
Good luck mate. You're now at war with the Western Confederation.

And you!

Forgot to ask you a while back about Christchurch. Guess you don't live there. Sorry if you knew someone there.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:17 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I could say the same for you. Have you been reading how Britain is extremely downsizing their military?

Well for now I have no idea how much their going to downsize and in what branches, so again sadly I cannot predict the future so I have no idea which branches the downsizing is occurring. Plus with David Cameron as PM I doubt downsizing will continue.

@Areetsa
Key words how I interpret, I view your actions more on par with terrorism than I do the WC's. But for now I do not view you as a threat to destabalize the world.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:19 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Good luck mate. You're now at war with the Western Confederation.


I'm pretty sure he was talking about Cliffe...
Especially given his close ties to the WC.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:21 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I've been wondering where he gets his food. Only so many meals can consist of oranges and fermented grape juice.


As founder of the PCU and an Oregon native who's traveled the region extensively, take my word for it when I say things grow like the Garden of Eden here in the Willamette valley, not to mention all the farms of Eastern Oregon and Washington. That's not even taking into account the farms of Idaho and California, and California has some of the best agricultural land there is. And then there's always the fishing industry...
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| February 28, 2011, 10:21 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

As founder of the PCU and an Oregon native who's traveled the region extensively, take my word for it when I say things grow like the Garden of Eden here in the Willamette valley, not to mention all the farms of Eastern Oregon and Washington. That's not even taking into account the farms of Idaho and California, and California has some of the best agricultural land there is. And then there's always the fishing industry...

Really? I didn't know that. Learn something new everyday.

Except that my soldiers are now enjoying the first Idaho potatoes that they've had for decades. I think we'll have to have potato salad very soon... That is, of course, after we check for carcinogens.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:25 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Really? I didn't know that. Learn something new everyday.

Except that my soldiers are now enjoying the first Idaho potatoes that they've had for decades. I think we'll have to have potato salad very soon... That is, of course, after we check for carcinogens.


I strive to educate. And Idaho may be yours, but there are plenty of granaries throughout the realm. The Northwest is a land of plenty, I'm sure people can make do on less for a while. Nick enjoys a great luxury of an ally who not only knows his land, but has criss-crossed it more times than he's left it.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:28 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I love how no one had a problem with Nick and I claiming we've been around since the 2010s until it comes time to fight with us.

Logically, the Confederations (united or not) and Alaska would have been around since the PCU. In order for a nation such as the PCU to be founded, it would require the United States to fall apart. Had the rest of America remained in total chaos, the PCU would have been able to quickly unite them all. However, they didn't. This implies that the rest of the USA united quickly and well enough that the PCU couldn't overcome them. Logic would imply that the remainder of the US would have formed into it's current state, with the Confederations and with Alaska being independant of eachother.

So, we've got the same advantages you guys do.

Quoting Jake H.

anyways my life is being mean to LEGO...
I haz a girlfriend, festival is coming up, some other concerts are too, I'm in an alternative rock band, and I recently got minecraft :3


Hehe besides getting minecraft, I'm experiencing the same events... >.>
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| February 28, 2011, 10:28 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Really? I didn't know that. Learn something new everyday.

Except that my soldiers are now enjoying the first Idaho potatoes that they've had for decades. I think we'll have to have potato salad very soon... That is, of course, after we check for carcinogens.

Harvest is in the fall buddy, all the potatoes are long gone.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:29 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Logically, the Confederations (united or not) and Alaska would have been around since the PCU. In order for a nation such as the PCU to be founded, it would require the United States to fall apart. Had the rest of America remained in total chaos, the PCU would have been able to quickly unite them all. However, they didn't. This implies that the rest of the USA united quickly and well enough that the PCU couldn't overcome them. Logic would imply that the remainder of the US would have formed into it's current state, with the Confederations and with Alaska being independant of eachother.


Actually, I forbid the PCU from going farther east than Idaho and Nevada when I was in command. We were the Pacific Union after all, destined to look west and south rather than east. So I have no idea what you were all up to in the chaos, but we were just sitting tight on the west coast. Then I kicked the bucket enough to end up in China, and Nick began to take people on little trips.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:34 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
east than Idaho and Nevada when I was in command.

Ah-ha! There you go! Nevada was not a part of the PCU until the WC/PCU Land Delineation Agreement of 2036 where we established Utah as WC territory and Nevada as PCU. So there!
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| February 28, 2011, 10:45 pm
El Presidente has decided to send a research team to Antarctica to survey the ice, and determine if the frozen organic material under the surface and currently only polluting the ozone layers as the ice melts (naturally) is worth digging up for use as an alternate fuel source. If it were to be cost effective, we would most likely harvest the material for use in climate control (heating/cooling) in CDC cities, or possibly as fuel for larger aircraft and ships.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Ah-ha! There you go! Nevada was not a part of the PCU until the WC/PCU Land Delineation Agreement of 2036 where we established Utah as WC territory and Nevada as PCU. So there!


Actually, Nevada was a part of the PCU in RA-CAS-UEN, the group that spawned all of these. However, it was never a core territory, unlike Washington or California. Nevada was a part of the PCU again in 21st Century, and Nevada is a part of the PCU here. However, I was most frowny back in my day at going any further than that. I had all land gained in the way against Cliffe returned to Michael Ford of Alaska back in the original group... For I was a kind lord.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Actually, my point was that his 'Uber reserves' could only be in California on up to Idaho and that Canadian place. Not in Mexico, Nevada, Oklahoma, or Alberta.
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| February 28, 2011, 10:56 pm
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Well, it's a good thing we don't use our railroad systems much...

Egypt wishes to come and play, eh? Hehehe, we shall roll out the welcome committee.
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| February 28, 2011, 11:21 pm
Just wondering about the status of the reinforcements I sent to Mexico and the WC, are they fighting?
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| February 28, 2011, 11:30 pm
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Finally, the upgrades to Finland's shipyards are complete, allowing a maximum of 5 warships to be built in a single location. However, only 2 are occupied, so if any NEUTRAL nation wishes to construct vessels there (for a slight fee) they may do so.

After weeks of waiting, headway is being made on what is being classified as JAS-43, or the Next Generation Nordic Air Superiority Fighter (NGNASF).

Also, projects that have not yet been completed completely will be finished up soon after an accepted request for more defense spending on the ground forces.

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| February 28, 2011, 11:49 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Finally, the upgrades to Finland's shipyards are complete, allowing a maximum of 5 warships to be built in a single location. However, only 2 are occupied, so if any NEUTRAL nation wishes to construct vessels there (for a slight fee) they may do so.

After weeks of waiting, headway is being made on what is being classified as JAS-43, or the Next Generation Nordic Air Superiority Fighter (NGNASF).

Also, projects that have not yet been completed completely will be finished up soon after an accepted request for more defense spending on the ground forces.

I'm interested in using those shipyards.
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| February 28, 2011, 11:54 pm
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Quoting C A
I'm interested in using those shipyards.


If you would kindly contact me via FM, I will get back to you in the morning.
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| February 28, 2011, 11:56 pm
The PCU is cancelling the violated peace treaty with the Eastern Confederation due to their attacks on the PCU Border.

The PCU is also asking the Alaskan Government to refrain from letting other countries use their equipment so it is not mistaken for theirs.


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| March 1, 2011, 12:02 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU is cancelling the violated peace treaty with the Eastern Confederation due to their attacks on the PCU Border.

The PCU is also asking the Alaskan Government to refrain from letting other countries use their equipment so it is not mistaken for theirs.


Shooting down mercenary fighters doesn't violate my terms. If they get hit, that's not your problem. We're in for teh money... >.>
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| March 1, 2011, 12:06 am
Quoting henry wang
@Areetsa
Key words how I interpret, I view your actions more on par with terrorism than I do the WC's. But for now I do not view you as a threat to destabalize the world.

Ultra attacked first, I want you to keep that in mind. He knew that neither Brendan nor I had the practical capability to retaliate, and had the option of going after military facilities, but chose not to. So he's paying the price. And anyone else who tries to interfere will find life becoming quite difficult.

Quoting Matt Hacker
I'm pretty sure he was talking about Cliffe...
Especially given his close ties to the WC.

Then he's a hypocrite, unless bombing civilians with ICBMs is suddenly not a terrorist act.
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| March 1, 2011, 3:19 am
In the CESN:
over the past week, billions of dollars worth of funds have been mysteriously disappearing from the Government and Military of the CESN, and taxes have been raised. We're up to something big, and unusual, that's for sure.
The 'big' project should be finished in another few weeks. I'm telling you now so that in a few weeks you won't think I'm lying if i suddenly said "oh yes I've been working on this project for over a month so I am allowed to have it now".

BTW Areetsa, are you ok after the Earthquake in NZ?
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| March 1, 2011, 3:40 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
BTW Areetsa, are you ok after the Earthquake in NZ?

The first time I noticed there'd been another earthquake was when the news started obsessing about it. Countries are big, and as a rule, earthquakes tend to affect relatively small areas of them.
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| March 1, 2011, 3:50 am
Quoting Areetsa C
The first time I noticed there'd been another earthquake was when the news started obsessing about it. Countries are big, and as a rule, earthquakes tend to affect relatively small areas of them.

for some reason I thought you lived in Christchurch...

Mah bad.
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| March 1, 2011, 3:52 am
Quoting Matt P

sure, I'll be allies. Of coarse, I have NO navy, but, That's one less person shooting at me.

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| March 1, 2011, 6:33 am
Ha! I have taken madagascars Capitol! It only cost me six tanks 18 helis and 800 soldiers. I will now close in on the rest of the island. I also want to go ahead and start harvesting lumber at the bottom of the island.
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| March 1, 2011, 6:52 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
Or one more person exploiting your weakness.

May I ask what this weakness is?
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| March 1, 2011, 7:09 am
How fast do Egyyptian factories work? And when did they get them?
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| March 1, 2011, 7:41 am
Okay, now that I've almost nearly conquered Madagascar, I want to start rebuilding what's left of antanarivo and replanting the trees.
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| March 1, 2011, 3:01 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Okay, now that I've almost nearly conquered Madagascar, I want to start rebuilding what's left of antanarivo and replanting the trees.


No way. You only launched your invasion 1-2 days ago, and with your ancient military it would take a long time to even make it across the island.
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| March 1, 2011, 3:33 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

No way. You only launched your invasion 1-2 days ago, and with your ancient military it would take a long time to even make it across the island.

Okay, five days, Madagascar is a small island, They were totally surprised, and napalm works REALLY well in a forest, All of thier airfields are in the south, which coincidentally is where I landed. They have just as big a navy as I do. And, my military, as ancient as it is, is more advanced than thiers
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| March 1, 2011, 3:52 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Okay, five days, Madagascar is a small island, They were totally surprised, and napalm works REALLY well in a forest, All of thier airfields are in the south, which coincidentally is where I landed. They have just as big a navy as I do. And, my military, as ancient as it is, is more advanced than thiers


If you look, Madagascar is really not that small of an island, their conventional military may be shut down but they would still have thousands of people willing to resist you, unless you can napalm an entire country (you cant) your excuses really are pointless. Just look at the Iraq War, it was a very one sided battle (after Saddam was annihilated in Gulf War), but yet thousands died years after "Mission Accomplished" was announced. Even better is Afghanistan. Pretty much having no military, we have lost thousands there too despite far superior technology.

It is really funny how you decided to go to war when you probably could have had a much more beneficial peaceful annexing of Madagascar, but whatever...
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| March 1, 2011, 3:57 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

If you look, Madagascar is really not that small of an island, their conventional military may be shut down but they would still have thousands of people willing to resist you, unless you can napalm an entire country (you cant) your excuses really are pointless. Just look at the Iraq War, it was a very one sided battle (after Saddam was annihilated in Gulf War), but yet thousands died years after "Mission Accomplished" was announced. Even
better is Afghanistan. Pretty much having no military, we have lost thousands there too despite far superior technology.

It is really funny how you decided to go to war when you probably could have had a much more beneficial peaceful annexing of Madagascar, but whatever...


Okay, I get what you're saying, but I'm doing the same exact thing America did. I'm announcing to the public that the island is ours so they won't worry. Now, I'm cleaning up the masses of unorganized, poorly armed rebels.

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| March 1, 2011, 4:06 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
You having no navy.

Yeah... I'll work on that. You got any ships you want trade?
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| March 1, 2011, 4:20 pm
The CESN thanks the RAS for creation the mobile air defense unit at such short notice. Enough money has been sent through secured transaction for the RAS to build a factory to produce the mobile missile defense, and for the RAS to produce 20 of these (so I payed for the factory and the first 20 units). We have started renovating and upgrading two of our old soviet era tank factories to produce the brand new Mobile Missile Defense units. I find upgrading old factories is much easier and economical than starting building a factory from scratch.


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| March 1, 2011, 4:28 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I have ships, but my front-line ones are not for sale. However, I can sell you some of my old ASW destroyers and escort carriers.

I will buy! I got choppers, carriers, bikes, and MDSs
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| March 1, 2011, 4:41 pm
Quoting Will G.
How fast do Egyyptian factories work? And when did they get them?

Yeah, those numbers are pretty sketchy. Since when did he make all of that stuff, he didn't announce any sort of building program. And where exactly did he get those tankers from, Egypt doesn't operate any.

I think we deserve an explanation Cliffe.
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| March 1, 2011, 4:52 pm
Quoting Thomas N .
Something about how Nick is allowed to pretend he got to build up a powerful nation between 2010 and 2036, even though no one else is allowed to.

Biased much?
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| March 1, 2011, 5:01 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Ultramarine

But you forget that compulsory service has been in effect since 2024. At any moment, 3/4 the populace is trained and ready to fight.

This is what I'm referring to, Tom
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| March 1, 2011, 5:02 pm
Congress and CDC Military Commanders have decided to call up last years generation of conscripts. They will mainly participate in the formation of new divisions, training, and assisting in defensive operations. They will receive a brief 2-week long refresher course on new protocols, systems, equipment, and very intense cardiovascular conditioning. They will be receiving an extra 5% of their normal pay, and if they are currently working in a full time job, their employers will guarantee them their positions back after the war.
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| March 1, 2011, 5:09 pm
Stop complaining about Cliffe. He started out with all that stuff. If you're going to complain about him, complain about other member who did this:

Nick: Started out with previously built PCU stuff. Did that in 21st century as well.

Brendan: Started out with stuff he already built. Did that in 21st century.

And if you say Nick did have to produce the stuff, you're wrong. A while back, there was a HAT-1 Mk. II in the works but that went south I believe.

So don't complain you didn't realize you could do this. :D
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| March 1, 2011, 5:09 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
And if you say Nick did have to produce the stuff, you're wrong. A while back, there was a HAT-1 Mk. II in the works but that went south I believe.

So don't complain you didn't realize you could do this. :D

No, the HAT-1 Mk. II was made and produced, and they are in the process of replacing the Mk. I. We expect them to be completely phased out by 2040.
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| March 1, 2011, 5:25 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Quoting henry wang
Yeah, those numbers are pretty sketchy. Since when did he make all of that stuff, he didn't announce any sort of building program. And where exactly did he get those tankers from, Egypt doesn't operate any.

I think we deserve an explanation Cliffe.

It was obviously the Hyperfawlconz.

@Luke: How many do you want?


it depends, how big are they.

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| March 1, 2011, 5:28 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
This is what I'm referring to, Tom

How are the new models workin out for ya?
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| March 1, 2011, 5:31 pm
Quoting Will G.
How fast do Egyyptian factories work? And when did they get them?

We get about 10 stealth bombers, 6 Hyperfalcons, 16 Macro War Chariots, and 14 Hyper War Chariots every day. Just an estimate. But our allies help us produce even more every day. If I can outsource some production to China... heh heh heh heh...
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| March 1, 2011, 5:31 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
We get about 10 stealth bombers, 6 Hyperfalcons, 16 Macro War Chariots, and 14 Hyper War Chariots every day. Just an estimate. But our allies help us produce even more every day. If I can outsource some production to China... heh heh heh heh...



Thats like saying that you can build 10 B2s, 6 F22s, 16 Abrams, and 14 Humvees a day. Maybe not too bad for the HWCs, but seriously, tone it down. Stealth bombers are immensely complex, and I would imagine building 2-3 in a week would be a real feat from a country with a massive industrial capacity- something that you lack. It would probably be more realistic for those Hyperfalcons to be completed in a week, and at least a week for the tanks, given our inflated timeframe. Don't forget it takes about a month to make a single MBT.

Please think before you claim, Cliffe. I'm not saying that you cannot have these things, or that you have to follow mine, but please reconsider your timeframe. It is ludicrous given your Industrial Capacity and what you claim to be producing.
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| March 1, 2011, 5:39 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
We get about 10 stealth bombers, 6 Hyperfalcons, 16 Macro War Chariots, and 14 Hyper War Chariots every day. Just an estimate. But our allies help us produce even more every day. If I can outsource some production to China... heh heh heh heh...

In 14 or so years America has made only 21 B-2 Stealth bombers. Unless they're not stealth then they ain't being produced that fast. When you consider that you're Egypt then you probably make about 0.001 of a stealth bomber a day. You ain't america foo!
/Mr. T voice
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| March 1, 2011, 5:39 pm
After a massive counter attack by Madagascar rebels, I realize the war isn't over, so I will secretly move a dozen helis to Madagascar. Forty patrol bikes are also moved to this island. Defenses around mill and my single factory are doubled. In an effort to convince the rebels to stop, I will let the elect thier own leaders, and give them as many rights as they
had before.
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| March 1, 2011, 5:48 pm
Quoting luke peterson
How are the new models workin out for ya?

They seem (I'm going to assume you sent me one of the prototypes) to work very nicely. Just the thing I need to defend against the PCU attacks. My modified factory I prepared should start churning a few thousand out this evening...
/Cliffeface

I kid. I'll probably produce one a day.
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| March 1, 2011, 6:00 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Well, the MOCs are not too big, but I'll list them here:
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/153249
and
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/136202

Let's say I wanted two of each, what would you want?
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| March 1, 2011, 6:06 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Stop complaining about Cliffe. He started out with all that stuff. If you're going to complain about him, complain about other member who did this:

Nick: Started out with previously built PCU stuff. Did that in 21st century as well.

Brendan: Started out with stuff he already built. Did that in 21st century.

And if you say Nick did have to produce the stuff, you're wrong. A while back, there was a HAT-1 Mk. II in the works but that went south I believe.

So don't complain you didn't realize you could do this. :D

Well that's not realistic nor is it part of this group. One's nation only starts with as much military equipment as his/her military had at this current moment. If I claimed that in between the present and past, Britain magically built 5 additional aircraft carriers you would be jumping all over me.

@ Cliffe
Egypt barely has an aircraft industry; unless your aircraft are made out of plywood, there is no way you have the capacity or the deep pockets to afford them in the numbers that you are building them in.
And you still haven't answered where you got your tankers from.
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| March 1, 2011, 6:15 pm
Quoting henry wang
Well that's not realistic nor is it part of this group. One's nation only starts with as much military equipment as his/her military had at this current moment. If I claimed that in between the present and past, Britain magically built 5 additional aircraft carriers you would be jumping all over me.

Precisely.
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| March 1, 2011, 6:18 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Nick: Started out with previously built PCU stuff. Did that in 21st century as well.

...

And if you say Nick did have to produce the stuff, you're wrong. A while back, there was a HAT-1 Mk. II in the works but that went south I believe.


Aye, that he did. And you obviously never saw this:

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/241718
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| March 1, 2011, 6:46 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Nick: Started out with previously built PCU stuff. Did that in 21st century as well.

...

And if you say Nick did have to produce the stuff, you're wrong. A while back, there was a HAT-1 Mk. II in the works but that went south I believe.


Aye, that he did. And you obviously never saw this:

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/241718


I dun goof'd.
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| March 1, 2011, 7:21 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
We get about 10 stealth bombers, 6 Hyperfalcons, 16 Macro War Chariots, and 14 Hyper War Chariots every day. Just an estimate. But our allies help us produce even more every day. If I can outsource some production to China... heh heh heh heh...

By Alaska standards, our equivelent to that amount of equipment would be roughly $2,600,000,000 dollars daily, assuming your stealth bomber is comparable in size to a Blackfish. That's a lot of money to spend every day.
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| March 1, 2011, 7:34 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
By Alaska standards, our equivelent to that amount of equipment would be roughly $2,600,000,000 dollars daily, assuming your stealth bomber is comparable in size to a Blackfish. That's a lot of money to spend every day.


Jeez, I didn't even look at his post until now, that's absurd. Cliffe, realism now.
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| March 1, 2011, 7:43 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Jeez, I didn't even look at his post until now, that's absurd. Cliffe, realism now.

You dun goof'd.
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| March 1, 2011, 7:49 pm
Let's say, hypothetically, you just captured an island country but rebels are giving you lot's of trouble, you can't use any thing fire related because of mass forests. What would you do?
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| March 1, 2011, 7:49 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Those numbers are insane Cliffe.

Also, for the record, when you start, if you have brick-built units to replace real world ones, it's perfectly fine to replace them with the usually better lego models in service.

I would NEVER replace 1,000 Abrams with Hyper-Chariots. I wouldn't even replace Shermans.
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| March 1, 2011, 7:50 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Let's say, hypothetically, you just captured an island country but rebels are giving you lot's of trouble, you can't use any thing fire related because of mass forests. What would you do?


Strategic withdrawal.

In China:
-Secrets are still in production.
-Tibet takeover still underway.
-We've got an eye to the west now, just in case Dannystan does something less than wise.
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| March 1, 2011, 7:53 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Strategic withdrawal.

In China:
-Secrets are still in production.
-Tibet takeover still underway.
-We've got an eye to the west now, just in case Dannystan does something
less than wise.


Let's say you've almost destroyed thier entire military and your almost positive that leaving would
mean retaliation. Plus, you've already built a factory and many other establishments. Also, you've risked your economy on this attack and withdrawl means death for your economy.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:01 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Strategic withdrawal.

In China:
-Secrets are still in production.
-Tibet takeover still underway.
-We've got an eye to the west now, just in case Dannystan does something less than wise.

Dannystan does as he wants in his own nation, that he built up with his own pretend fake moneys.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:02 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Dannystan does as he wants in his own nation, that he built up with his own pretend fake moneys.

Still, dannystan shouldn't attack just to show you can decide what you want to do.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:07 pm
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Quoting luke peterson

Let's say you've almost destroyed thier entire military and your almost positive that leaving would
mean retaliation. Plus, you've already built a factory and many other establishments. Also, you've risked your economy on this attack and withdrawl means death for your economy.


You built a factory and more in a day... Tell me your secrets, and I'll give you your weight in gold.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:08 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Mhm, well that's his prerogative. His chariots are by no means main battle tanks, but again, his prerogative to run his military establishment as he pleases.


Let us not forget the tanks Avalella gave him. He just chooses not to use them, apparently.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:08 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Still, dannystan shouldn't attack just to show you can decide what you want to do.

Dannystan has no intention of attacking Awe, thats why Dannystan said he can do what he wants in HIS OWN country.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:10 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You built a factory and more in a day... Tell me your secrets, and I'll give you your weight in gold.

Here's my secret: two days, small factory, over time, working twenty four hours, small factories. Now where's my money!
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| March 1, 2011, 8:24 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Dannystan has no intention of attacking Awe, thats why Dannystan said he can do what he wants in HIS OWN country.

Okay, sorry, I read it wrong. Plus, I'm still fighting in Madagascar, And I sent you a bunch of helis, I don't want to be attacked YET.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:30 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Okay, sorry, I read it wrong. Plus, I'm still fighting in Madagascar, And I sent you a bunch of helis, I don't want to be attacked YET.

you won't be attacked, unless Awe has a feud directly with you.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:33 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Oil and money.

I have oil, but Imma little low on money. How about I pay
oil and money for two, and give you 50 helis for the other two.
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| March 1, 2011, 8:45 pm
hey Ultra, check your Flickr Mail, I need an answer soon!
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| March 1, 2011, 9:11 pm
I don't have a Flickr account, And I don't know anyones e-mail, Will that be a problem?
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| March 1, 2011, 9:35 pm
The decision to invade Iran was made this morning. The main reason for this decision was because evidence to support the theory that Iran was funding and training Shia extremists.

44 F-15SE's dropped laser-guided and infrared-guided bombs on Iranian naval bases and ports. 10 armed Predator C's were assigned to patrol over the country and strike any mobile Shahabs. All five of the Archangels, armed with cratering bombs, were designated with the task of destroying the Iranian air force bases. The remaining 5 Predator C drones were assigned to clear a path through the Iranian SAM systems. 25 Typhoons and 20 T-50's escorted the Archangels and 50 Typhoons and 10 T-50's escorted the F-15SE's.
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| March 1, 2011, 9:39 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Nope, only money and oil.

Fine.
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| March 1, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting C A
The decision to invade Iran was made this morning. The main reason for this decision was because evidence to support the theory that Iran was funding and training Shia extremists.

44 F-15SE's dropped laser-guided and infrared-guided bombs on Iranian naval bases and ports. 10 armed Predator C's were assigned to patrol over the country and strike any mobile Shahabs. All five of the Archangels, armed with cratering bombs, were designated with the task of destroying the Iranian air force bases. The remaining 5 Predator C drones were assigned to clear a path through the Iranian SAM systems. 25 Typhoons and 20 T-50's escorted the Archangels and 50 Typhoons and 10 T-50's escorted the F-15SE's.

Ohhhhh dear... talk about messing with a bear! Lol. Saudia Arabia has become much more powerful, obviously, but still, watch out, my old friend.
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| March 1, 2011, 10:26 pm
In light of recent terrorist attacks around the world, we will be upgrading our airport security. There will be more thurough metal scans, pat downs, and searches. We will also begin to crack down on homegrown terrorist organizations. Our newest laws now allow us to sentence those convicted by a jury of terrorism to be sentenced to at least 1 life sentence.

Due to recent events in the 3rd/4th American Civil War, we are slowly beginning to lean toward the WC. Although currently we will not fight for them, unless certain undisclosed events unfold. We will also put sanctions on Egypt and Danny Morgan for its recent participation in what we define as terrorism. If these acts continue, the only path which shall remain is war.
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| March 1, 2011, 10:34 pm
Quoting henry wang
In light of recent terrorist attacks around the world, we will be upgrading our airport security. There will be more thurough metal scans, pat downs, and searches. We will also begin to crack down on homegrown terrorist organizations.

Ditto.
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| March 1, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting henry wang


I just sent you a rather important FM, I would appreciate it if you read it when you have the chance

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| March 1, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Ohhhhh dear... talk about messing with a bear! Lol. Saudia Arabia has become much more powerful, obviously, but still, watch out, my old friend.

There military is ancient even today. The Predator C's were designed to deal with the nukes. With no direct land border they have no way of using human wave tactics. And my air force and naval aviation units will handle their army.
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| March 1, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting C A
There military is ancient even today. The Predator C's were designed to deal with the nukes. With no direct land border they have no way of using human wave tactics. And my air force and naval aviation units will handle their army.

Come to think of it, you're mostly right. :) Go get 'em!
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| March 1, 2011, 10:40 pm
The Spanish government has come to the conclusion that there is a risk of a terrorist attack on our citizens. With Uzbekistan threatening to kill thousands of PCU civilians, they could also attack Spain for being an ally. As a result security is stepping up, more so than in the nearby Commonwealth, with the military on high alert. Public works sites are to be guarded closely (i.e. water sanitation, airports, railways) as one threat made was poisoning of drinking water.

Coincidentally, this decision was made shortly after a demonstration was given out in the Azares. A new multi-purpose weapon was shown off. It's main purpose is AA, and for demonstrations, 2 old F-16s, converted to drones, flew over head. The weapon was able to quickly turn the targets and shoot them down within 10 seconds. The design has been official for awhile, and only with the generation of capitol has the production been greenlighted. It also showed skill in anti-armour, ripping apart several old M48Es in seconds.
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| March 1, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Here's my secret: two days, small factory, over time, working twenty four hours, small factories. Now where's my money!


Oh, I thought you had secret robots or something far more arcane... Nevermind.
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| March 1, 2011, 11:29 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Come to think of it, you're mostly right. :) Go get 'em!

I have a feeling your trying to avoid answering some number-related qualms. Esplain.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:04 am
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Ok, I'm about to do something that I hoped I never would have to do. But there's an lot of magic floating around, and I'm gonna push a pin through the balloon.

Cliffe:
Not only do I find the numbers completely unrealistic and outlandish. You have shipped about 1,200 combat vehicles, outnumbering drastically the number of basic infantry trucks I have in my arsenal.
I officially, and respectfully, request an admin review of that situation.

Timline & scenarios:
Not only are the numbers off, but so is the timeline.
Time to marshal a fleet: 1-2 days
Time to assemble 20,000 men: 5-10 days
Time to assemble 1,200+ vehicles: 5-10 days
Time to cross Atlantic: 6 days (not counting circumventing S. America)
Time to cross Pacific by ship: ~14 days
Approximate time to PCU added up: 26 days (best case).
I'll tell you what, Egypt must be psychic to have planned ahead three weeks before the attack began!

Observation:
-"Also, --- Egyptian ports are under tabs." -2/26/2011 I specifically was watching Egyptian ports for such a manuever.
-"Satellites will..[watch] ---- Pacific..."-2/26/2011
I'm wondering how a super fleet (even if broken in two) got by the SA coast past Brikkr's territory unnoticed, past Guatemala unnoticed, past Baja unnoticed, past Wake & Midway unnoticed.

Tom, this is not a diatribe against you, just against circumstances that need addressed.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Hey, Cliffe, I found you a new Uber-awesome fighter you could probably mass produce with negligible economic impact and have more than 15,000 built in one week!
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/255635
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| March 2, 2011, 12:08 am
Thanks for alerting me you are watching my ports as well. The Inquisition will deal with such spying swiftly and effectively.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:22 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Thanks for alerting me you are watching my ports as well. The Inquisition will deal with such spying swiftly and effectively.

Your name is Egypt?
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| March 2, 2011, 12:27 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Your name is Egypt?


I don't take you to be a complete fool, it's obvious the dash before "Egyptian Ports" are other PCU ally ports. To only watch Cliffe would be foolish.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:31 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Also, for the record, when you start, if you have brick-built units to replace real world ones, it's perfectly fine to replace them with the usually better lego models in service.

So I could retcon things to replace my T-64s and T-72s with Volcitsas?

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You built a factory and more in a day... Tell me your secrets, and I'll give you your weight in gold.

Gold, as a point of fact, is remarkably heavy for its size. So someone's weight in gold probably wouldn't be worth all that much. Especially since the gold would probably be 50% lead, knowing you.

Quoting C A
The decision to invade Iran was made this morning. The main reason for this decision was because evidence to support the theory that Iran was funding and training Shia extremists.

I suggest you withdraw. Promptly.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:31 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I don't take you to be a complete fool, it's obvious the dash before "Egyptian Ports" are other PCU ally ports. To only watch Cliffe would be foolish.

To my knowledge, you still have/had the Straits of Gibraltar closed? Also, I would probably consider someone else I won't mention a greater threat than you.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:33 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
To my knowledge, you still have/had the Straits of Gibraltar closed? Also, I would probably consider someone else I won't mention a greater threat than you.


It was closed for a day. And yes, China is a greater threat. The clock is ticking until the dragon decides his nap is over.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:36 am
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The WCHC, in order to return, er, order to our streets, has issued the following statement. "Any protesters found disrupting the peace of our cities will be immediately arrested, given a rifle and a clip of ammunition, and sent to the most dangerous area on the front lines. Effective 3-2-2037."
We hope we don't have to keep our word...

Production continues, as always, we're gonna try to get that Brigand-class ship done anyway, who knows when it could come in handy.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
It was closed for a day. And yes, China is a greater threat. The clock is ticking until the dragon decides his nap is over.

Of course, like you said, we're no fools here.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:40 am
Quoting Areetsa C

Quoting C A
The decision to invade Iran was made this morning. The main reason for this decision was because evidence to support the theory that Iran was funding and training Shia extremists.

I suggest you withdraw. Promptly.

Why would I want to do that?
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| March 2, 2011, 12:47 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

It was closed for a day. And yes, China is a greater threat. The clock is ticking until the dragon decides his nap is over.


>.>

<.<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SqC_m3yUDU
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| March 2, 2011, 12:51 am
Quoting C A
Why would I want to do that?

Because you've got no business in Asia, and because due to the WC's cowardice my regular forces have no way to release their anger, so they'll happily jump at a chance to kill foreigners.
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| March 2, 2011, 2:15 am
I will begin an extreme crackdown on rebels in Madagascar. I send twenty of my forty active tanks across the country, with orders to attack any rebel establishments. Another goal is a terrorist camp on the northern tip of the island. Bombing raids will be sent daily to hit that target.

In angolia, I will set up a city on the coast to ecnourage fishing. I will also start drilling for oil on the coast. Good thing terrorists havn't been a problem!
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| March 2, 2011, 6:31 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Because you've got no business in Asia, and because due to the WC's cowardice my regular forces have no way to release their anger, so they'll happily jump at a chance to kill foreigners.

I am Saudi and the UAE, i am technically an asian state.
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| March 2, 2011, 9:23 am
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Thanks to heavy foreign investment, the XA/B-3 program has seen its first prototype fly. The airframe comes from a YA/F-88 stealth design that lost out to the YA/F-89 two years ago. It is a smaller two-seat bomber, with handling characteristics of a fighter. With two engines instead of one engine and two outlets to force thrust vectoring (in the case of the F-89), it is capable of twice the payload of the F-89 and twice the range; it has unlimited potential. Having a service ceiling of 70,000' makes it hard to see, and at speeds of Mach 2.1, hard to catch too. With its relatively compact size, it can serve aboard carriers easily, giving it infinite range. With internal stores of AA missiles, it can serve as a heavy fighter as well. The engine problems have been ironed out, and we've started full-scale production (pics later).

Guatemala has started conscription of its population and Belize as well. Not at all popular in the latter country, but protests there are not at all tolerated. They have also stepped up production there.

With the impressment deadline drawing near for the unrest on our own streets, we're starting to count heads to see how quickly we can increase the size of our military in a single day...

Yep, we're still working on stuff. Prisoners are still working on things. That secret stuff in the Coral Sea still isn't happening.

Quoting Areetsa C
Because you've got no business in Asia, and because due to the WC's cowardice my regular forces have no way to release their anger, so they'll happily jump at a chance to kill foreigners.

You, sir, are the coward. Not having the courage to face me in open warfare, you instead resort to base trickery and subterfuge.

I continue to remind you that I could have done much, much worse than I did.

Quoting Areetsa C
Ultra attacked first, I want you to keep that in mind. He knew that neither Brendan nor I had the practical capability to retaliate, and had the option of going after military facilities, but chose not to. So he's paying the price. And anyone else who tries to interfere will find life becoming quite difficult.

I'm sorry, that's a lie. I never attacked you, you were the one that provoked me.

Quoting C A
I am Saudi and the UAE, i am technically an asian state.

Don't back down, he's bluffing. But watch your borders just in case. Shut down your international air traffic (it has no useful purpose anyway) and put extra patrols on your docks.
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| March 2, 2011, 10:29 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Not having the courage to face me in open warfare


Nor the ability, apparently.
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| March 2, 2011, 11:20 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Nor the ability, apparently.

Me neither, really. He just gave me an excuse to respond in kind.
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| March 2, 2011, 11:35 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Quoting Ultramarine .
Not having the courage to face me in open warfare


Nor the ability, apparently.

If you don't have the ability to start a war, you're best off not trying.
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| March 2, 2011, 12:19 pm
@Brendon.

I will give you half the oil and money for one of each ship. Don't worry I will purchase more once they prove themselves.

As for my economy. I will start setting up glass factories in the desert. All the sand will be used to make glass, and plus, in a few years, all the sand will be gone revealing the soil below.
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| March 2, 2011, 3:28 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Shut down your international air traffic (it has no useful purpose anyway) and put extra patrols on your docks.

I lol'd.
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| March 2, 2011, 5:02 pm
I have a question. Can we decide if a country thats not controlled by any player gets into a war or civil war with another country not controlled by another player (If it's realistic)? E.g.- Can we decide if a radical country in Africa not controlled by anyone gets into a civil war?

And, Luke, would you like to be allies?
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| March 2, 2011, 5:09 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
The Spanish government has come to the conclusion that there is a risk of a terrorist attack on our citizens. With Uzbekistan threatening to kill thousands of PCU civilians, they could also attack Spain for being an ally. As a result security is stepping up, more so than in the nearby Commonwealth, with the military on high alert. Public works sites are to be guarded closely (i.e. water sanitation, airports, railways) as one threat made was poisoning of drinking water.

Coincidentally, this decision was made shortly after a demonstration was given out in the Azares. A new multi-purpose weapon was shown off. It's main purpose is AA, and for demonstrations, 2 old F-16s, converted to drones, flew over head. The weapon was able to quickly turn the targets and shoot them down within 10 seconds. The design has been official for awhile, and only with the generation of capitol has the production been greenlighted. It also showed skill in anti-armour, ripping apart several old M48Es in seconds.

no you d00fus, IF Nick keeps killing MY civs, I'll kill some of his to show him how it feels, I have no reason to attack you, unless YOU kill my civilians FIRST. And if I really wanted to release a biological weapon, I could, and poisoned drinking water is just one of things I could do.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:00 pm
nou r da d00fus u d00fus.

In all honesty, I can't take anything you say seriously as long as you say that word.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:08 pm
Quoting Matt P
And, Luke, would you like to be allies?


It depends
1.why me?
2.what would I gain?
3.who are you affiliated with?

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| March 2, 2011, 7:12 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan


"Blood for blood. It's the Tauron way." -Caprica

In China:
-We've realized we don't have much of a navy, something ought to be done about that.
-Three Arketer crews turned up in a drunken stupor in northern Alenia, we're looking into this disturbing event now. We're not sure how they got the alcohol, but Kazakhstan isn't all Muslim...
-Tibet's capital was secured with minimal fighting, only about 30 dead on our side, the rebels had fled into the eastern mountains. One of our helicopters did a circle around Mt. Everest to mark our territory.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:12 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
nou r da d00fus u d00fus.

In all honesty, I can't take anything you say seriously as long as you say that word.

ok, well that's your problem then.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:13 pm
Now that I've almost eliminated all resistance in the southern part of Madagascar, tourism is open, let's hope they don't bomb a cruise ship.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:17 pm
I find it interesting how everyone is cracking down on me so hard, yet no one notices how the OTHER new members like my friend C A have just joined the group and are producing new vehicles like no tomorrow.

Plus, who says I can't say Egypt has been building its industry since the 2010s like PCU says? If you say I can't say that, then you can't either, which means that most of your forces should still be composed of M1 Abrams tanks and the like because of this supposed "one tank a month" standard.

Seriously, you guys are being at least a tad hypocritical.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:30 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I find it interesting how everyone is cracking down on me so hard, yet no one notices how the OTHER new members like my friend C A have just joined the group and are producing new vehicles like no tomorrow.

Plus, who says I can't say Egypt has been building its industry since the 2010s like PCU says? If you say I can't say that, then you can't either, which means that most of your forces should still be composed of M1 Abrams tanks and the like because of this supposed "one tank a month" standard.

Seriously, you guys are being at least a tad hypocritical.


The thing that I find the worst is the 10 stealth bombers a day. That's absurd considering how much work needs to be done on one.

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| March 2, 2011, 7:33 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I find it interesting how everyone is cracking down on me so hard, yet no one notices how the OTHER new members like my friend C A have just joined the group and are producing new vehicles like no tomorrow.

Plus, who says I can't say Egypt has been building its industry since the 2010s like PCU says? If you say I can't say that, then you can't either, which means that most of your forces should still be composed of M1 Abrams tanks and the like because of this supposed "one tank a month" standard.

Seriously, you guys are being at least a tad hypocritical.


But then everyone can say they've got an ubermassive army.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:36 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I find it interesting how everyone is cracking down on me so hard, yet no one notices how the OTHER new members like my friend C A have just joined the group and are producing new vehicles like no tomorrow.
very few of my new vehicles are being produced in Saudi. Most Archangels are produced in russia and most Falcons are produced in england.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:40 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan

But then everyone can say they've got an ubermassive army.


As long as Cliffe stays within the size of the current Egyptian military, it's alright. He just replaces modern stuff with his stuff. Then he can build from there.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:46 pm
Quoting C A
I am Saudi and the UAE, i am technically an asian state.

Nope, you're middle-eastern.

Quoting Ultramarine .
You, sir, are the coward. Not having the courage to face me in open warfare, you instead resort to base trickery and subterfuge.

Uh, no, I don't have the transport capability to move troops over oceans. There's also no subterfuge and trickery going on here; sabotage and an impending blood feud maybe, but no subterfuge and trickery.

Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm sorry, that's a lie. I never attacked you, you were the one that provoked me.

You alleged motive for attacking Brendan was him shelling some Korean civvies. My motive for attacking you is you murdering far more of Brendans. Finn didn't retaliate at Brendan, and Brendan didn't retaliate at you. So unless you're going to say you were wrong and pay him reparations, I've got the same motives you had.

Oh, and then you'll have to pay reparations for the cities you pseudonuked. Because there's a butcher's bill to be paid in blood, and I'm not sure your country can afford it in the usual eye-for-an-eye fashion.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Don't back down, he's bluffing. But watch your borders just in case. Shut down your international air traffic (it has no useful purpose anyway) and put extra patrols on your docks.

I'm not bluffing, and if I want to infiltrate someone's country, there's absolutely nothing they can do about it. I don't use normal civilian channels to enter countries when I've got dirty tricks in mind, and even if I did, the OVB is quite competent at scavenging.

The only sure-fire way to prevent an Alenian covert assault is to start imprisoning everyone who looks vaguely asian.

And what I have in mind in this case? It's not covert.
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| March 2, 2011, 7:48 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Nope, you're middle-eastern.

The Middle East is Asia...
And if you continue to pester my ally, be warned because I am not afraid to strike against bullies like you.

@ Cliffe
Nick isn't claiming to be building at least 26 billion plus of material everyday. So there is no double standard, sadly for you at least, there is just you. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't have any sort of industry, but c'mon no nation in the world has the resources to build 10 stealth bombers everyday. Just look at China, he's only built a few of his bombers and he's had the design for weeks.
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| March 2, 2011, 8:00 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Middle East is Asia...
And if you continue to pester my ally, be warned because I am not afraid to strike against bullies like you.

The middle east is the wealthy area between asia and Africa, and he's got no business grabbing lands that don't belong to him.

As for you: be warned that I don't like being threatened, and I tend to react violently.

You're already trying my patience by declaring a desire to strike a blow against global terrorism by assaulting any countries that use it as part of their foreign policy, and then being a hypocrite and not starting with the WC.
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| March 2, 2011, 8:07 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Middle East is Asia...
And if you continue to pester my ally, be warned because I am not afraid to strike against bullies like you.

Thank you. Your support is very welcome.
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| March 2, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

The thing that I find the worst is the 10 stealth bombers a day. That's absurd considering how much work needs to be done on one.

Then how about one every two days? That sounds more appropriate.
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| March 2, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Then how about one every two days? That sounds more appropriate.


One every 5-7 days is more likely.
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| March 2, 2011, 8:14 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Look up the Middle East, its own definition states that it belongs in Asia and Africa. Then, if you argue with that, Iran is in the middle east and you're just sticking your head into another region's business.

Plus, how does the WC participate in terrorism?
You threatened him, you randomly state that your going to attack him, and you just randomly state that there is a "line of death" that no American shall cross(do all of these ring a bell, *cough* Col. Gaddafi). Then you go on a spree of obtaining chemical weapons, then ballistic missiles; which, threatens the whole world. He was just protecting the world and his citizens from you. Although I by no means approve of his styles of attacks, but the attacks themselves were quite necessary to say the least.

Now is that a threat? Let's just remember who can put more hurt on one another, and who has more allies.
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| March 2, 2011, 8:16 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

One every 5-7 days is more likely.

Even considering the fact that production of my units is also outsourced to allies like the PCU?
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| March 2, 2011, 8:44 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
outsourced


"Emperor, perhaps you should consider-"
"Shh, you hear that? That was the sound of China's prosperity growing."

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| March 2, 2011, 8:47 pm
Who owns south Africa?
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| March 2, 2011, 8:51 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Who owns south Africa?


I'm pretty sure we already went over this before.

Someone more powerful than you.
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| March 2, 2011, 8:55 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'm pretty sure we already went over this before.

Someone more powerful than you.

I get that, but who said I wanted to attack? Is it you?
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| March 2, 2011, 8:56 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Who owns south Africa?

I, The Commonwealth still controls South Africa. Now let's please not have to go over this again, shall we?
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| March 2, 2011, 8:57 pm
Quoting henry wang
I, The Commonwealth still controls South Africa. Now let's please not have to go over this again, shall we?

Sorry, I have trouble with memory.
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| March 2, 2011, 9:01 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Quoting Matt P
And, Luke, would you like to be allies?


It depends
1.why me?
2.what would I gain?
3.who are you affiliated with?

1. Because you would be a good ally, you kind of have the same objectives I had earlier when I first started. You know, taking over other territories and stuff.
2. You would gain support military and economic wise from another country.
3. I'm affiliated with no one at the moment, really. I am allies with some Asian nations, such as Brendonia (Japan) though, and used to be great allies with the Indo-Union until Danny quit with Indonesia...
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| March 2, 2011, 9:03 pm
Quoting henry wang
Look up the Middle East, its own definition states that it belongs in Asia and Africa. Then, if you argue with that, Iran is in the middle east and you're just sticking your head into another region's business.

Plus, how does the WC participate in terrorism?
You threatened him, you randomly state that your going to attack him, and you just randomly state that there is a "line of death" that no American shall cross(do all of these ring a bell, *cough* Col. Gaddafi). Then you go on a spree of obtaining chemical weapons, then ballistic missiles; which, threatens the whole world. He was just protecting the world and his citizens from you. Although I by no means approve of his styles of attacks, but the attacks themselves were quite necessary to say the least.

Now is that a threat? Let's just remember who can put more hurt on one another, and who has more allies.

No: Ford & Co were planning to interfere in a conflict between Danny and someone else, so I arranged something to keep them on their side of the Pacific. The exotic devices were looked into after the WC used the same pseudonukes on me. "Protecting" his citizens? The only reason I was in his territory in the first place was because of him blowing up 200,000 Japanese, which, IIRC, he did because the Japanese blew up ~10,000 Koreans.

If I'm at fault, so is he.

And is that a promise? Because I'd really like to see you try and follow through on your empty threats without proving yourself even more of a hypocrite by compromising your moral ideals.
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| March 2, 2011, 9:07 pm
Quoting Matt P
1. Because you would be a good ally, you kind of have the same objectives I had earlier when I first started. You know, taking over other territories and stuff.
2. You would gain support military and economic wise from another country.
3. I'm affiliated with no one at the moment, really. I am allies with some Asian nations, such as Brendonia (Japan) though, and used to be great allies with the Indo-Union until Danny quit with Indonesia...

Awsome! It will be a pleasure doing buisness with you. Two more questions.

1. Where are you?
2. How's your navy?
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| March 2, 2011, 9:11 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
No: Ford & Co were planning to interfere in a conflict between Danny and someone else, so I arranged something to keep them on their side of the Pacific. The exotic devices were looked into after the WC used the same pseudonukes on me. "Protecting" his citizens? The only reason I was in his territory in the first place was because of him blowing up 200,000 Japanese, which, IIRC, he did because the Japanese blew up ~10,000 Koreans.

If I'm at fault, so is he.

And is that a promise? Because I'd really like to see you try and follow through on your empty threats without proving yourself even more of a hypocrite by compromising your moral ideals.

First off, you entered the conflict not because of what you said, but because you wanted to "keep the Americans out." You also vowed to attack way before the faux nuke incident occurred. And you also began threatening people with WMDs and using international terror way before the other faux nuke incident occurred.

I believe that you could kill millions with your weapons, tactics, and ichy trigger finger, so no, I didn't go against my morals. But back to the real matter at hand, are you really going to stop Saudi Arabia or not? Because you have a few countries separating you and where the battle is taking place.
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| March 2, 2011, 9:12 pm
You children are all acting like school yard bullies daring the other guy to hit him first. It's pointless. Who is going to man up, roll the hard six, and throw the first punch?
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| March 2, 2011, 9:14 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
You children are all acting like school yard bullies daring the other guy to hit him first. It's pointless. Who is going to man up, roll the hard six, and throw the first punch?

uh, says the one who kept saying "I DARE U TO HIT FIRST" over gmail...
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| March 2, 2011, 9:28 pm
Quoting henry wang
First off, you entered the conflict not because of what you said, but because you wanted to "keep the Americans out."

Yes, because they were threatening to get involved.
Quoting henry wang
You also vowed to attack way before the faux nuke incident occurred.

IF they attacked anyway.
And actually, the WC was the first (in this group) OVB deployment.
Quoting henry wang
And you also began threatening people with WMDs and using international terror way before the other faux nuke incident occurred.

I don't remember that, refresh my memory.
Quoting henry wang
...But back to the real matter at hand, are you really going to stop Saudi Arabia or not? Because you have a few countries separating you and where the battle is taking place.

If he continues, I'll find a way. I know Morgan probably won't mind me going through his territory (much) but I can always placate him by giving away some hardware.
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| March 2, 2011, 9:30 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
uh, says the one who kept saying "I DARE U TO HIT FIRST" over gmail...

My exact wording was "I DARE you to hit first." I type correctly, mind you. What I was trying to say to you was that I'm not going to lose focus over some little Asian country saying they would massacre 60% of my populace and then being like "Hit me."
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| March 2, 2011, 9:34 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
If he continues, I'll find a way. I know Morgan probably won't mind me going through his territory (much) but I can always placate him by giving away some hardware.

Awe says if I let enemies of China land in my territory, he will go to war against me. Maybe if I let you pass through my territory, Awe and I can come to some sort of arrangement (seeing as you are a close ally of China).
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| March 2, 2011, 9:36 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
My exact wording was "I DARE you to hit first." I type correctly, mind you. What I was trying to say to you was that I'm not going to lose focus over some little Asian country saying they would massacre 60% of my populace and then being like "Hit me."


Don't forget the part where you lose the war because you made a spelling error.

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| March 2, 2011, 9:36 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Don't forget the part where you lose the war because you made a spelling error.

what the epic error when he said
"I use grammer.
*grammar"
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| March 2, 2011, 9:39 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
what the epic error when he said
"I use grammer.
*grammar"


No, I meant when you were being a d00fus afterwards thinking he would lose the war from a simple spelling error. Since you make hundreds of them, it's a wonder the Beast with seven heads hasn't come yet.
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| March 2, 2011, 9:46 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

First off, your first answer doesn't make any sense, because they were at war before you randomly just entered. Second, you were the first to strike and threaten to attack. Third, you were the culprit behind the WC terrorist attacks and to top it off you were planning making chemical weapons. Finally, the fact that you are supporting terrorists just proves that you yourself run a terrorist nation.
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| March 2, 2011, 9:48 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

No, I meant when you were being a d00fus afterwards thinking he would lose the war from a simple spelling error. Since you make hundreds of them, it's a wonder the Beast with seven heads hasn't come yet.

I never thought he would lose a war because of a spelling mistake... It would appear you are misinformed perhaps? I am as confused as you, if I am right in thinking I said he would lose a war for spelling mistakes...
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| March 2, 2011, 9:53 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

"Emperor, perhaps you should consider-"
"Shh, you hear that? That was the sound of China's prosperity growing."

:D

Shall we arrange a deal?
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| March 2, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting henry wang
...But back to the real matter at hand, are you really going to stop Saudi Arabia or not? Because you have a few countries separating you and where the battle is taking place.

If he continues, I'll find a way. I know Morgan probably won't mind me going through his territory (much) but I can always placate him by giving away some hardware.

At this point I don't plan on stopping. I am prepared for war.
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| March 2, 2011, 10:02 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I am inclined to agree with Ultra. I'm not so much worried about production. Real world speed production would ruin the fun of this game, obviously. I am more inclined to say that I am calling cr@p on Cliffe's timetable, and force. The fact that from what I read, the force Cliffe deployed in two days is testament to something that the United States would take a month to do. Also, by the numbers I see, it would seem Clife has stripped every ground military force off his country and sent them overseas. Not a very good proposition.

Frankly, I'm conused as to why the combat mod didn't call it, as really, in the real world, Egypt will never be able to launch an attack on America. Greece would never attack the Crimea. That's the fun of the group. But deploying near 100,000 groups with a super navy in two days is out of proportion by a ton. I'm not sure what ships Cliffe claimed he had, and I don't know if Egypt has any airborne troops (I know they have a small number of amphibious troops, along with 14 or so landing craft), but I see no feasibly way for Cliffe to be able to transport that many troops that far. I don't know what ships he claimed to have, all I know is that the current Egyptian navy has a handful of frigates and some missile corvettes. I haven't payed attention much.

Can we try and use some self-restraint in launching hundred-thousand man invasions across the world?

I told Tom to cut the numbers of my forces in half. Hopefully that helps.
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| March 2, 2011, 10:14 pm
isn't there supposed to be a CR today?
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| March 2, 2011, 10:22 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I am inclined to agree with Ultra. I'm not so much worried about production. Real world speed production would ruin the fun of this game, obviously. I am more inclined to say that I am calling cr@p on Cliffe's timetable, and force. The fact that from what I read, the force Cliffe deployed in two days is testament to something that the United States would take a month to do. Also, by the numbers I see, it would seem Clife has stripped every ground military force off his country and sent them overseas. Not a very good proposition.

I have a plan! I'll send 100,000 men overseas in two days and go magically undetected like they did and invade Egypt!!! Who's with me?

Quoting Evan Melick
Frankly, I'm conused as to why the combat mod didn't call it, as really, in the real world, Egypt will never be able to launch an attack on America. Greece would never attack the Crimea. That's the fun of the group. But deploying near 100,000 groups with a super navy in two days is out of proportion by a ton. I'm not sure what ships Cliffe claimed he had, and I don't know if Egypt has any airborne troops (I know they have a small number of amphibious troops, along with 14 or so landing craft), but I see no feasibly way for Cliffe to be able to transport that many troops that far. I don't know what ships he claimed to have, all I know is that the current Egyptian navy has a handful of frigates and some missile corvettes. I haven't payed attention much.

Yes, I was confused too, since Tom was one of Cliffe's main detractors with the uber-economy to begin with...

Unless he impounded every freighter in his merchant marine. Even then I think he would only have room for the men. And packed like sardines at that.

Quoting Areetsa C
The exotic devices were looked into after the WC used the same pseudonukes on me. "Protecting" his citizens? The only reason I was in his territory in the first place was because of him blowing up 200,000 Japanese, which, IIRC, he did because the Japanese blew up ~10,000 Koreans.

If I'm at fault, so is he.

You know, I never did see how few Koreans he bombed, and if he did a city, it is more than likely it was in the hundreds of thousands.

There was no sneak attack here. You just can't get it through your thick skull that I repeatedly warned Japan before attacking them in the first place, I tried suing for peace, I gave him a timeline, I did everything in my power to stop him including attacking airbases. I then gave him a taste of his own medicine. You then took it upon your shoulders to retaliate when there was no wrong done to you. That would be like me attacking you because you bombed Spain when I'm not allies with that country, I just wanted to show you who was boss. Then, you sit back and decry my retaliation when you attack. I just don't understand you at all. But hey, if you ever get a hankering to come back, I personally guarantee that for every citizen of mine you kill, 10,000 of yours will be the weight in the balances. It's by far not an idle threat, I could have made all of Astana disappear quite literally.
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| March 2, 2011, 10:29 pm
Quoting C A
At this point I don't plan on stopping. I am prepared for war.

Then I suggest you prepare for trouble.

Quoting henry wang
First off, your first answer doesn't make any sense, because they were at war before you randomly just entered. Second, you were the first to strike and threaten to attack. Third, you were the culprit behind the WC terrorist attacks and to top it off you were planning making chemical weapons. Finally, the fact that you are supporting terrorists just proves that you yourself run a terrorist nation.

This has nothing to do with the alleged Iranian support of terrorism. This is to do with the fact that if CA gets a foothold in Iran, he'll never give it up.

As for the rest of it, I suggest you go read the old ICFs, you'll find that I set up the exclusion zone AFTER the Americans started getting belligerent.
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| March 2, 2011, 10:40 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Then I suggest you prepare for trouble.

Uh-oh, it's Team Rocket!!! Lulz.
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| March 2, 2011, 10:51 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Evan Melick
Yup. It's only 9PM in Tom-land, so he still has time.

Check FM... please.
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| March 2, 2011, 11:04 pm
 Group admin 
At this time the Admins are working on a comprehensive build time guideline to be applicable to ALL. This will also include logical growth of military potential based off of starting country.

Might take a few days though, depends on when the good Doctor is feeling better.
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| March 2, 2011, 11:06 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Yup. It's only 9PM in Tom-land, so he still has time.

Some of us have ordered internet shut-down times (manly term for bedtime).
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| March 2, 2011, 11:07 pm
 Group admin 
After two weeks of LRIP of local build F-27s, the first (testing batch) of 5 aircraft have been completed. Local avionics have yet to be applied, and no software is loaded on yet (programmers are still writing our unique code), thus the 5 airframes will be used for static testing and weapon fitting programs. Most urgent of these programs is the long range air to air missiles and the air launched anti shipping missiles.

Slight update on the MAV-23...
Funding has been diverted away, so initial prototypes will be delayed another few weeks.
Alas, this funding is going towards revised avionics and weapons for the Attack Helicopter, as well as more advanced countermeasure systems on the C220 Lynx IFV.

Production of the Type-2 is at 10% and the 2 Allegiances are at 20% each.
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| March 2, 2011, 11:28 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
:D

Shall we arrange a deal?


Sit down at my table, put your mind at ease...

Quoting Danny Morgan
Awe says if I let enemies of China land in my territory, he will go to war against me. Maybe if I let you pass through my territory, Awe and I can come to some sort of arrangement (seeing as you are a close ally of China).


The Emperor is watching.

Quoting Ultramarine .
/on transporting hundreds of thousands across the world in two days


I'm with you.
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| March 2, 2011, 11:49 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Hey, you've got MOTD...

<.<
>.>
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| March 3, 2011, 12:04 am
Quoting Brikkr
Quoting Areetsa C

Hey, you've got MOTD...

<.<
>.>


Hey, I wanted to be the first one to congratulate him. And I will be, as you simply recognized that he has gotten MOTD.

Congrats.

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| March 3, 2011, 12:15 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Hey, I wanted to be the first one to congratulate him. And I will be, as you simply recognized that he has gotten MOTD.

Congrats.

Hmm. I find it a bit odd that out of hundreds of thousands of mocs, it goes after that particular one. Either the server felt like picking something different for a change, or it's trying to make a point. Either-or, although if there's a budding AI around here it might be smart to update your firewalls.

Quoting Ultramarine .
There was no sneak attack here. You just can't get it through your thick skull that I repeatedly warned Japan before attacking them in the first place, I tried suing for peace, I gave him a timeline, I did everything in my power to stop him including attacking airbases. I then gave him a taste of his own medicine. You then took it upon your shoulders to retaliate when there was no wrong done to you. That would be like me attacking you because you bombed Spain when I'm not allies with that country, I just wanted to show you who was boss. Then, you sit back and decry my retaliation when you attack. I just don't understand you at all. But hey, if you ever get a hankering to come back, I personally guarantee that for every citizen of mine you kill, 10,000 of yours will be the weight in the balances. It's by far not an idle threat, I could have made all of Astana disappear quite literally.

You had no business interfering in Asia in the first place. What you did would be like me getting all upset about Will invading Ford: it couldn't possibly affect me, I'm not allied to either of them, and have no reason to get involved. But hey, I'll break out the nerve gas anyway, because there's no way it could possibly affect me, right?

As for Astana: A, you wouldn't dare, and B, if you think I haven't instituted emergency procedures over the last while, you're sorely mistaken.
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| March 3, 2011, 12:46 am
no CR today then...
Well, I have to go for internet shut-down time, so g'night

I do find it a little disappointing than the combat mod can't even do one combat report every two days, but then again he could be going through an uber-busy stage at school...

In which case, maybe someone else would be better off taking over for Tom. Sorry, it's just that I have wasted a good portion of my day, continuously checking the ICF every half hour...
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| March 3, 2011, 4:00 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Then how about one every two days? That sounds more appropriate.

It depends on your bomber. I build one stealth bomber per month, but I think your stealth bomber is more comparable in size to the F-1 Blackfish anyway.
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| March 3, 2011, 10:57 am
I hope there is a Combat Report tonight, or else Friday's CR is going to be ultra long! /posted from school.
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| March 3, 2011, 12:27 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
You had no business interfering in Asia in the first place. What you did would be like me getting all upset about Will invading Ford: it couldn't possibly affect me, I'm not allied to either of them, and have no reason to get involved. But hey, I'll break out the nerve gas anyway, because there's no way it could possibly affect me, right?

You seem to think pretty highly of yourself to think you could dictate where I get involved when. If you weren't paying attention, I'm not going to explain it to you. To turn your own arguments on you, how could me attacking Japan possibly effect you?

Quoting Areetsa C
As for Astana: A, you wouldn't dare, and B, if you think I haven't instituted emergency procedures over the last while, you're sorely mistaken.

A. In half a heart-beat.
B. 10:1 I could deal with it, have a defense for it, or you'd cease to exist once they/it got here.

Suffice it to say, I'm not going to argue this anymore. I have already established that I will not pursue aggression against you further because I consider our accounts squared. If you want or have the desire to attack, I will not illustrate the same restraint that I had previously. You have nothing to gain and everything to loose by further provocation.
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| March 3, 2011, 12:40 pm
Today in the RAS...

in madagascar, A group of 5,000 rebels have appeared outside Anatarivo. Fortunatley, A group of 7,000 soldiers, 4 tanks and 10 helis are currently stationed inside the city. They will go out immediatly to dispatch the enemy.
As for angolia, My economy is slowly but surely improving. Some troops are still in DC columbia, so let's pray they don't get attacked.
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| March 3, 2011, 3:02 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Something about "Will" invading "Ford"

What does that mean?
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| March 3, 2011, 5:13 pm
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Quoting Will G.

What does that mean?

Oh, he's trying to show the grounds he had for taking out his frustrations on me and then me having the guts to retaliate...

Some nonsense like that. What he said about you guys was just and example.
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| March 3, 2011, 5:22 pm
maybe Tom's internet broke...
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| March 3, 2011, 5:51 pm
Alaska has re-opened production of UAH-1s. They're super easy to mass produce, so production will be in full swing by next week.

Quoting Will G.
Quoting Areetsa C
Something about "Will" invading "Ford"

What does that mean?

I think it was just an example of two American countries.
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| March 3, 2011, 6:46 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I do find it a little disappointing than the combat mod can't even do one combat report every two days, but then again he could be going through an uber-busy stage at school...

In which case, maybe someone else would be better off taking over for Tom. Sorry, it's just that I have wasted a good portion of my day, continuously checking the ICF every half hour...


We should wait for Tom's word before acting. He did warn us he'd be unavailable until Wednesday, perhaps he was tired and went to sleep without doing anything. I did it myself when I was combat mod.
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| March 3, 2011, 6:57 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Awsome! It will be a pleasure doing buisness with you. Two more questions.

1. Where are you?
2. How's your navy?

1. My main nation is Australia. My secondary lands are New Zealand and East New Guinea. I also have some island territories here and there.
2. My navy is relatively strong. I have Amphibious Assault Ships, submarines, frigates, battleships, and Aircraft Carriers (Only 2, though).
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| March 3, 2011, 7:13 pm
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Quoting Thomas N


There goes the best combat mod.

Well, allies and enemies, who now will moderate for us? Everyone else is too busy, and I'm involved in this.
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| March 3, 2011, 7:21 pm
Smooth move you childish people, ousting the Combat Moderator because you haven't been receiving an expected overwhelming victory on all fronts. Guess what? I'm hard to beat. It's hard to accept, but it's true.
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| March 3, 2011, 7:22 pm
maybe Jack Ford could be the next CM, seeing as he apparently created this whole theme idea in the first place...
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| March 3, 2011, 7:47 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
maybe Jack Ford could be the next CM, seeing as he apparently created this whole theme idea in the first place...

Except it was his brother and he's as biased as the rest of us. I suggest Erik, since he's an irate pirate.
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| March 3, 2011, 7:51 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Except it was his brother and he's as biased as the rest of us. I suggest Erik, since he's an irate pirate.

ok, what do you think Erik?
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| March 3, 2011, 7:52 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Smooth move you childish people, ousting the Combat Moderator because you haven't been receiving an expected overwhelming victory on all fronts. Guess what? I'm hard to beat. It's hard to accept, but it's true.

And you also sir, haven't gotten the outstanding victories you've expected, seeing how you've never lost a battle in the last group, IIRC.

Seeing how've you got enemies on all sides you either have 90% of the population in trenches or a lot of thin spots in your lines.
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| March 3, 2011, 7:54 pm
Quoting Brikkr
And you also sir, haven't gotten the outstanding victories you've expected, seeing how you've never lost a battle in the last group, IIRC.

Seeing how've you got enemies on all sides you either have 90% of the population in trenches or a lot of thin spots in your lines.

I haven't received any victories because I'm not on offensives. I'm basically just holding out and waiting for them to leave me alone. I don't plan on losing this one either.
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| March 3, 2011, 7:56 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Except it was his brother and he's as biased as the rest of us. I suggest Erik, since he's an irate pirate.

I believe Erik is sick, so he'd be a no go for now. I think that at this moment only him or Evan could be an unbiased mod, and Evan is really busy. So I suggest that you guys wait a few days before resuming the conflict.
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| March 3, 2011, 8:33 pm
Quoting henry wang
I believe Erik is sick, so he'd be a no go for now. I think that at this moment only him or Evan could be an unbiased mod, and Evan is really busy. So I suggest that you guys wait a few days before resuming the conflict.

Sounds good to me. Temporary cease fire?
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| March 3, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Sounds good to me. Temporary cease fire?

not much choice... you're pretty lucky.
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| March 3, 2011, 8:46 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Sounds good to me. Temporary cease fire?

But I can't garuntee that he has time or is up to it, so I suggest if that doesn't work, to just wait until Tom gets back, but not do anything militarily.
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| March 3, 2011, 8:50 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Sounds good to me. Temporary cease fire?

I must consult the Magic-8-Ball!

Yeah, that sounds good. I'll be away this weekend until Sunday so does a cease-fire until Sunday sound good?
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| March 3, 2011, 8:53 pm
New chopper's up on Flickr! Since I'm havin' difficulties, if anyone has a cool sounding name, please post it there! As soon as I get a name, I'll post it on MOCpages.
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| March 3, 2011, 9:01 pm
Seeing as how I cannot bomb the rebels out of Anatarivo, and I cannot send tanks in, the battle is not going so well, this is why I order 15 more helis into the city to take them from above.
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| March 3, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I might be able to do some, but only on weekends, and only if you guys can't find a workable replacement.

thankyou for combat modding, I understand it's hard work.
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| March 3, 2011, 9:32 pm
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By the way, here's the B-3 WIP: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46934040@N05/5495489795/

Quoting Nick Shelton
Sounds good to me. Temporary cease fire?

No, but we really don't have a choice, now do we?

Quoting Thomas N
I might be able to do some, but only on weekends, and only if you guys can't find a workable replacement.

I really did appreciate the maps. Made it kinda real.
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| March 3, 2011, 9:36 pm
For the first time since the fall of the US, shipyards began building ships to replace lost ones that have left a few small holes in our Interdiction Fleets. Currently in the works, the HGS Ossinx class, which will be a monster of a boat. Oh, and they aren't being built in my lands. /troll face.
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| March 3, 2011, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
For the first time since the fall of the US, shipyards began building ships to replace lost ones that have left a few small holes in our Interdiction Fleets. Currently in the works, the HGS Ossinx class, which will be a monster of a boat. Oh, and they aren't being built in my lands. /troll face.

If you're building them in Egypt, you'll probably have them inside of a day... >.>
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| March 3, 2011, 10:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
If you're building them in Egypt, you'll probably have them inside of a day... >.>

Even at his increased production rates, it'd take a week to build this ship.
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| March 3, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
If you're building them in Egypt, you'll probably have them inside of a day... >.>

LOL. /trollface
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| March 3, 2011, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
LOL. /trollface


That's not very funny... the only thing that is funny is how blatantly you disregard pretty much everyone and think you can just be your own superpower overnight. That is indeed funny.
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| March 3, 2011, 10:54 pm
Egypt will begin helping to produce parts for the new class of PCU vessel being constructed. This will increase the speed of production. The Egyptian vessel of this class is to be named L.H.S. Am-mut, after the monster who devours the hearts of those deemed unworthy to thrive in the afterlife.
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| March 3, 2011, 11:02 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

That's not very funny... the only thing that is funny is how blatantly you disregard pretty much everyone and think you can just be your own superpower overnight. That is indeed funny.

Dude, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing, I was really excited. Get off my case. I know what I'm doing now.
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| March 3, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Dude, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing, I was really excited. Get off my case. I know what I'm doing now.


Your double posts are oh so enticing to delete. Just a heads up that double posts will be deleted in the future.
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| March 3, 2011, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Dude, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing, I was really excited. Get off my case. I know what I'm doing now.

I don't think you do...
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| March 3, 2011, 11:20 pm
CM'ing must be more stressful than judging the Mocathalon.
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| March 3, 2011, 11:31 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Dude, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing, I was really excited. Get off my case. I know what I'm doing now.

Orly?

I personally don't think you could much to help the PCU, and if you did send a force significant enough to make a difference in the PCU war, your entire nation would be depleted of it's defense capacity, leaving you vulnerable to attack. That's unfortunately the consequences of choosing a third world country.
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| March 4, 2011, 4:51 am
Okay, while my soldiers are fighting in Madagascar, I will turn my attention to Angola. The glass factories are almost up, And my people seem to like fishing and seafood. I want to build another war factory Making My total three. But, seeing as how one is in awar zone, And one isn't built yet, I can only use one to produce Armored transports.
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| March 4, 2011, 6:22 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Orly?

I personally don't think you could much to help the PCU, and if you did send a force significant enough to make a difference in the PCU war, your entire nation would be depleted of it's defense capacity, leaving you vulnerable to attack. That's unfortunately the consequences of choosing a third world country.

Uzbekistan is a third world country as well.
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| March 4, 2011, 8:57 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Uzbekistan is a third world country as well.

At least he's not orchestrating a full scale invasion of a country halfway across the globe. And he's got allies who fund him.
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| March 4, 2011, 10:32 am
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Tests have shown that the treatment in 75% of the cases in Houston is working better than anticipated. In fact, with the artificial, unnatural hormone wearing off, weight loss, increased energy, and other positive effects are becoming clear. Though many still suffer from caffeine withdrawals and massive headaches for the next few days to a week. Citizenry morale has been increased with the news that they can expect a complete recovery from this uncomfortable change without much lasting effects if any at all. Also, the threat of impressment seems to have worked, the protesters disappeared after about 200 were rounded up in Denver. We'll see how well they fight on the front...

Guatemala has recruited a further 5,000 men for service from their lands and Belize. Belize isn't very happy about it, but then again, is any conquered country?

The St. Elmo has become an overnight symbol of nationalism to the Guatemalans, they have made it their flagship as it is the most powerful ship they ever could hope to field. The crew is looking forward to the benefits the position brings when they get back home.

Disaster struck during the first supersonic testing of one of the three YB-3 prototypes. The port engine stalled and then blew out the nozzle at the rear. The crew punched out just moments before the craft disintegrated in a fireball. Investigations started and ended with the ground crew, one crewman became distracted while tightening the intake vents. A bolt came loose during the high-speed maneuver and destroyed the engine. The other prototype flew marvelously, however.
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| March 4, 2011, 3:15 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
At least he's not orchestrating a full scale invasion of a country halfway across the globe. And he's got allies who fund him.

I've got friends who are yet unnamed that fund me as well. And full scale invasion? Pssh. You think I'm dim? I wouldn't waste casualties on one of such low honor.
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| March 4, 2011, 5:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I wouldn't waste casualties on one of such low honor.

Honor has no place in modern war (even though I'm a hopeless romantic in real life and desire to have great honor some day). However, to counter the psychological impact of more reinforcements (all 1,500 of them that will be left after the admins get done with Cliffe), we've named them 'Gyptos. I think we still have some pig's blood bullets left over from the Philippines in the 40s...

Not having any honor, Mister "I-don't-want-a-war-on-the-continent-but-I'll-attack-you-anyway?" I remind you that you threw the first stone, ran away, and started crying when we caught you. It was only a matter of time before you thought the Pacific was too small and started coming after all of us.

Quoting Evan Melick

I think you should put something in there about statistics. Some people in this group *coughNick/Cliffecough* might be making up numbers as they go along because they can't be checked...
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| March 4, 2011, 5:39 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Honor has no place in modern war (even though I'm a hopeless romantic in real life and desire to have great honor some day).


You do not need to find honor, it's within everyone. All it is, is a matter of living by that honor. Do you live by your honor out there in the real world? If so, you don't need to seek anything, you've already found it.

Now onto relevant things:
-Secrets continue to be produced and hidden away.
-Shipyards and labor now available for rent, for a limited time only!
-Tibet falls, but fights on.
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| March 4, 2011, 6:27 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You do not need to find honor, it's within everyone. All it is, is a matter of living by that honor. Do you live by your honor out there in the real world? If so, you don't need to seek anything, you've already found it.

*Tear. So beautiful!
Yes, actually, aside from this game and what I've done (I usually detest killing civilians), I try to portray myself accurately so you all would recognize me if we met in real life.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
-Shipyards and labor now available for rent, for a limited time only!

How much to manufacture 10 PTR-class ships?
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| March 4, 2011, 6:46 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
How much to manufacture 10 PTR-class ships?


You are aware we're at war (though ceasefire again)? Well, that didn't stop Henry Ford, so it won't stop me. I'm not sure how much these PTR ships cost, but by the look of them, no less than a few hundred million. While labor is cheap, boats are expensive.
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| March 4, 2011, 6:54 pm
Recently: nothing got blown up, nothing got built, and nothing got temporarily postponed.

So, all is normal.
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| March 4, 2011, 7:07 pm
Quoting Ultramrine

I don't want a war on this continent, because I'm all for American Interdependence. However, if allies that I can't survive without are eliminated, it becomes logical (right Jack?) to defend said ally. To answer your statement about me, I never run and cry about my fights. That, and I don't come after my American allies. You're the one who does that.

Quoting Will Gober

Our peace deal has been cancelled due to your underhandedness.

-----

In PCU News, the Ussinx LPD has been renamed the Dunford LPD due to fears that Ussinx could be interpreted as U Sink.
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| March 4, 2011, 8:15 pm
Did anyone catch the part where Ultra went above the CM and declared the protests over? And then put them on the front even though they were protesting the war? You know your enemy is desperate when he has to force people protesting for peace to fight.
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| March 4, 2011, 10:15 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Did anyone catch the part where Ultra went above the CM and declared the protests over? And then put them on the front even though they were protesting the war? You know your enemy is desperate when he has to force people protesting for peace to fight.

It's called cheating. >.>
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| March 4, 2011, 10:27 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
It's called cheating. >.>

Like Cliffe building and landing a huge army overnight...
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| March 4, 2011, 11:10 pm
Quoting henry wang
Like Cliffe building and landing a huge army overnight...

It's a problem, just not mine!
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| March 4, 2011, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
And he also told me that he began gathering his forces long before the day they were actually sent.


AKA the oldest trick in the book... Unless you say that he sent an FM a week before the full mobilization of his military... whether by plane or not, it would take more than just a single day to get all that loaded and prepared.
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| March 4, 2011, 11:26 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Ok, building. Egypt has a large amount of Abrams tanks and stuff. Cliffe replaced those with his own creations, much like Ultra himself did before, so Cliffe can easily have about a thousand of his Macro War chariots just by replacing old equipment.

And landing, which he didn't do. You see, there are these things called ports, where you unload ships with cranes. It's a lot easier and cheaper than landing troops, now guess which Cliffe did.

And he also told me that he began gathering his forces long before the day they were actually sent. CM information there. So not overnight either.

And the thing is, his men (IIRC) were sent over in repurposed civilian airliners. He left his ships for the bulky cargo.

The only thing I find wrong with Cliffe's statement is his numbers of stealth aircraft. Otherwise, he used replacement to gain large amounts of his forces, and easy transport techniques to bring them to his ally.

Yes, but how did he get over there without any sort of large amphibious capability. One can't just tell a tank to fly across the ocean, nor does he posess the heavy lift aircraft to do so, and even then he would have to send them one at a time. Plus, where did these things called ships to move his tanks to ports come from? Because according to your report he landed 1000+ tanks/chariots. Even if he somehow had sufficient landing capabilities, AKA Mistral-Class ships, it would still take him 250+ journeys or ships to accomplish that feat. How overwhelmed would those ports be? Then he landed 45,000+ troops, I don't want to know how bad air travel was because of the amounts of flights needed to transport that kind of manpower. This also leads to the final discrepency where he magically got some refueling aircraft and refueled 50+ airplanes and returned home in one piece.

Plus assuming that he used 747s it would take him 100+ flights to get all his troops there.
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| March 4, 2011, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Who said it took a single day? Because I didn't say that in the CR.


Because magically out of nowhere a huge Egyptian force arrives on the Pacific side of North America out of the blue...
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| March 4, 2011, 11:31 pm
Let's everyone hate on Cliffe now.
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| March 4, 2011, 11:36 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Let's everyone hate on Cliffe now.


I can hate on other people too, you know! Usually, no one cares/listens so I keep quiet except about the things which peeve me the most.
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| March 4, 2011, 11:39 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Ok, let's see.

You don't need amphibious ships to put a tank in the hold and lift it out in a port. You can use any cargo ship, and use any crane.

The United states has used civilian airliners to move troops to places before, especially during the gulf war, when plenty were sent to Saudi Arabia. If Egypt wants to use all civilian airliners in country to make a mass movement of troops, they can tie up air travel in their own country all they want. And the PCU would gladly accept the help by letting them land in his country.

You'll have to ask Cliffe about the aerial refueling thing though.

Yes, but he sent 1000+ tanks, that would take under the best of conditions 250 ships assuming he had special amphibious assault ships that carried 40 tanks apiece(Not many cargo ships can carry that many tanks). That's a big fleet, and without escorts hard to hide and protect.

Yes, the US did use airlines, but even if he had used 747s for all of his flights, there would still be 100 flights. And it took US forces months to get mobilized and moved to Saudi Arabia. So the timeframe goes out the window.

I'm not saying what he did isn't plausible, but it should take a significant amount of time. And if he moved that much material, its pretty obvious a move occurred, so he'll lose surprise.
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| March 4, 2011, 11:49 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
And you only think it happened instantaneously because you didn't hear about it happening until it happened.


I had a huge counter response ready but I decided that I won't bother because its useless trying to argue. I guess I might have to take care of things myself...
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| March 4, 2011, 11:54 pm
All this arguing makes me wish there was a CR. /looks at Tom. >.>
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| March 5, 2011, 12:06 am
Quoting Thomas N
Clearly you haven't seen cargo ships these days. If you remove all the containers, container ships can carry many tank-sized vehicles just stacked in their holds. Plenty more than 40.

The fact is, I can take just a regular sized container ship, not even the new massive ones, empty it, put a bunch of tanks on the bottom deck, put the deck plates on top of those and put on layer after layer of tanks.

Medium-sized cargo ships could have the room for roughly 50 or so tanks per level, and most can have 5 decks just in the hold. That's 250 tanks in the hold of each ship, and just for medium-sized cargo ships. With massive cargo ships (like the Maersk ones I have, but not necessarily at the disposal of Cliffe), one could easily load even larger numbers of tanks.

And using 747s, (roughly 400 people per flight) to transport the numbers he did would not take 100 flights.

And who says he didn't take more time, and you just didn't hear about it until after it happened?

If only it were that easy to move tanks, the US would have been ready for Desert Storm in weeks, but its not that simple. No way, a cargo ship can hold as many tanks as you claim they do. In dessert storm, it took the Merchant Marines 79 ships and numerous months to move less equipment.

And do the math please, 45,000/400 is over 100.

And even if he had a week head start, it would take even more time than that. Even preceding the beginning of the war. So unless he can foresee the future, no way he had enough time to plan.

Plus let's go with your moral thing shall we. How do you think Cliffe's population would feel if they knew that their men and women died in a distant land because they went to war on the whims of their ruler?
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| March 5, 2011, 12:12 am
Quoting Thomas N

And people don't like that. Ultra, you can't deny that your population has been sitting there watching thousands of soldiers die in a war that they can't find a decent reason for. You invaded a country that didn't make an offensive movement against you, and now you're suffering massive casualties in a land war that you started. People don't like when their government becomes a belligerent power, they don't like when their soldiers die by the thousands in a war that they can't find a logical reason for. Yet the way you explain it, your population is all for unjustified death and destruction. According to you, only a few people in your population are actually protesting the pointless war, and you can apparently deal with them by denying them civil rights. In a real democracy, people oppose going to war for no reason, and people oppose having civil rights removed.

And you can't even make the argument that Nick's population should oppose the war too, because his country is being invaded for no reason. The way his population sees it, their country is being violated and attacked by a belligerent power, and all glory to their soldiers who should die trying to defend their land. They don't want you in their country, so they support defending themselves in a war.

In Nick's country, people are thinking "We're being attacked for no reason, we should defend ourselves!"

In Ultra's country, people should be thinking "we're invading another country for no reason, when the people who committed acts of terrorism against us are in those other countries. We should be hurting them, instead of the PCU.

Other than the fact that Nick destroyed one of my cities a killed thousands (which I did in return) I think this applies to me. But this is a lego game, right? I mean, how do the Egyptians feel?
"We're a brand new nation sending the bulk of our forces to go die for Americans."
Nick and I are the only ones with "reasons" but Ultra can fight if he wants.

The people missing out are the ones that only focus on economy. Cough cough...
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| March 5, 2011, 12:20 am
I don't even think there is a legitimate reason for a conflict right now. The cease-fire to the old war should've been the end of it, a shining example that war would lead to a World-War I situation with both side dug in against attacks. But no. The honorless side struck back when we were picking up the pieces.
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| March 5, 2011, 12:25 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
I don't even think there is a legitimate reason for a conflict right now. The cease-fire to the old war should've been the end of it, a shining example that war would lead to a World-War I situation with both side dug in against attacks. But no. The honorless side struck back when we were picking up the pieces.

I have a very good reason for wanting to attack you: you attacked me FOR NO REASON.
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| March 5, 2011, 12:32 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
I have a very good reason for wanting to attack you: you attacked me FOR NO REASON.

You are not telling the truth. I bombed your factories because you said that you wanted to fight me, and I agreed we would fight at the beginning of the next month. That was February.
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| March 5, 2011, 12:34 am
Quoting henry wang
Plus let's go with your moral thing shall we. How do you think Cliffe's population would feel if they knew that their men and women died in a distant land because they went to war on the whims of their ruler?

Clearly you haven't paid any attention to Cliffe's governing methods. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing, and is much too busy playing with awesome war chariots to take the time to find out.
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| March 5, 2011, 12:40 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
You are not telling the truth. I bombed your factories because you said that you wanted to fight me, and I agreed we would fight at the beginning of the next month. That was February.

Lies

I agreed to challenge you to a combat-off because you wanted to prove how 'awsum mi stuf are', not go to war and bomb infrastructures
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| March 5, 2011, 12:48 am
I love this! All this wars starting are taking attention off of lower Africa.
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| March 5, 2011, 3:19 am
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China grows weary of this madness. The past is the past, leave it be and move on.

We need a combat mod, or we need a peace treaty. Make up your minds, or China makes them up for you.


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| March 5, 2011, 3:31 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Clearly you haven't paid any attention to Cliffe's governing methods. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing, and is much too busy playing with awesome war chariots to take the time to find out.

/Like.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:53 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
China grows weary of this madness. The past is the past, leave it be and move on.

We need a combat mod, or we need a peace treaty. Make up your minds, or China makes them up for you.


I'm all for Tom continuing his work as CM, but if the other side wants him to fix his things or leave, then he is going to have to explain each little detail to the most of his abilities, which will make him grow weary of the CR business and leave.

That leads to the Axis wanting Erik and the Allies wanting Evan.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:58 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm all for Tom continuing his work as CM, but if the other side wants him to fix his things or leave, then he is going to have to explain each little detail to the most of his abilities, which will make him grow weary of the CR business and leave.

That leads to the Axis wanting Erik and the Allies wanting Evan.
I think Tom just has close personal ties with some warring members, and if he was to allow one side to prosper over the other, it risks offending the other side. Someone like Erik or Evan would be more removed from the conflict. I think Evan didn't want to do it.

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| March 5, 2011, 11:09 am
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Quoting Thomas N
In Ultra's case (Which I'm using as an example), he gathers friends to invade a neighbor for no more reason that I can find than "he was a threat".

That, sir, is your opinion. It should not factor at all into the CR. Your job is to evaluate tactics and strategies and determine an outcome. I've seen wars start for less in the last group, and no one caught as much flak for it as I have here. At least I have the excuse of having been attacked first.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

What CM? We don't have one right now. Tom only put those in because he didn't like my motivations. As soon as the CM was switched, it became a domestic issue under my control. I admit my resolution was less than desirable, considering I am foremost in my upholding of freedom of speech, but I just wanted the situation resolved in 24 hours and that is the only way I could think of doing it.

Quoting Nick Shelton
That leads to the Axis wanting Erik and the Allies wanting Evan.
I personally don't care which one. Except that Evan already said 'no,' and Matt hates my guts, so not him.

Quoting Thomas N
You'll have to ask Cliffe about the aerial refueling thing though.
And there still is not the answer as to how he accomplished this without being observed... Or knew weeks ahead of time that there was going to be a war to get all his men gathered up. Can I use the same magic to make my moves as marvellously successful?

Quoting Thomas N

And you only think it happened instantaneously because you didn't hear about it happening until it happened.

And still somehow completely unobserved by three nations' intelligence networks...
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| March 5, 2011, 12:17 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I personally don't care which one. Except that Evan already said 'no,' and Matt hates my guts, so not him.


Erik is super AFK, haven't seen or heard from him in a few days.

Evan has a job plus a bunch of schoolwork to do.

Believe it or not, I don't hate you that much anymore, and I am pretty siding with your arguments here. Still, I do not desire to Combat Mod again.


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| March 5, 2011, 1:08 pm
The Alaska Armed Forces has opened an academy to train teenage cadets how to operate UAH-1 drones. All cadets must be over fifteen, have parental consent, good grades, a written report from their school teacher confirming that they're responsible individuals, and be able to pass an oral exam from the Academy commander. The UAH-1 is piloted essentially like a highly advanced arcade game, so teenage cadets will be able to quickly adapt to it. The UAH-1's on-craft control can easily be switched off, to allow the cadets to practice without spending fuel and ammunition. These simulators are 100% realistic, accounting for air turbulence, turning tendencies, spiraling slipstream, and the whole works, as they're depended on for combat as well. These cadets will be given military rank and ID, but will not be permitted to carry military weapons. To increase their safety, the Academy isn't actually on a military base. The Academy also offers pilot training to those who pass the UAH-1 course, where they can get a head start in learning to fly fighter planes, helicopters, or any other military plane of their choice. The minimum age for Airforce pilots is 17, so this could give them up to two years of training prior to entering official military training.
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| March 5, 2011, 1:24 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Erik is super AFK, haven't seen or heard from him in a few days.

Evan has a job plus a bunch of schoolwork to do.

Believe it or not, I don't hate you that much anymore, and I am pretty siding with your arguments here. Still, I do not desire to Combat Mod again.

Well, that's an improvement.

I'm thinking we need a few people that aren't as 'attached' to each other that can mod objectively. Right now, that falls to the admins, and none of them seem available right now...

This group has ground to a halt over this...
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| March 5, 2011, 1:44 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Oh believe me, I wouldn't make your forces perform worse because I don't like your reasons.

But I'm not going to make your entire population subserviently supportive either.
Then kindly explain why you felt compelled to include it?

Quoting Thomas N
But not by the PCU.

Yes, by the PCU. They attacked Midway last time around, but you weren't the CM then.

Quoting Thomas N
When the second PCU war started, he told me that he was going to bring those mobilized forces and start moving them to airports and seaports to load onto various ships and planes equipment. This came around the same time as his attack on Houston.

Then I gave time after that for his forces to transit through the Indian and Pacific Oceans to Nick's ports.

As for them not being spotted, he made it clear to me that he wanted his ships to go through waters that were controlled by his allies, and bypass Midway and other such locations that you own.

Fabulous, but that still means he traversed 14 days of ocean in the compressed timeline of 7 days each CR. That's just the Pacific, the Atlantic route would take longer to go around S. America. How did that happen 'realistically?' And the PCU got such valuable information from their satellites (nearly throwing me back across my own border last time), and despite my continued surveillance of pretty much the continent and everyone involved, I can't get one scrap of useful information.
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| March 5, 2011, 2:29 pm
I'm not sure what you need to be a CM, and although I get the jist of what the do, I'm not exactly sure what they do. but, I don't care who wins, and I have an improving grasp on realism so If someone were willing to teach me, I would gladly be CM.
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| March 5, 2011, 2:49 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Fabulous, but that still means he traversed 14 days of ocean in the compressed timeline of 7 days each CR.


Because in 14 days the war would be over. You've seen how short these little affairs are.
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| March 5, 2011, 3:02 pm
If a CM is needed, I'm sure I can handle some of it. Considering that unlike some people I know the difference between the character people display in-game and their normal one, I don't think bias should be a problem.
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| March 5, 2011, 4:02 pm
Oh, a CM is needed? I would like to be it. I know I have no experience yet, but I have to do it sometime to get some experience. I feel like I can carry the responsibility. I do have a Flickr account and can get messages to summarize up a report.
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| March 5, 2011, 4:23 pm
Quoting Thomas N
For the same reason that Gober only took 1 CR period to bring his army from the southeast, over he Rocky Mountains, and to your front lines.

I specifically remember it took at least two. Still, very inaccurate for real world times.
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| March 5, 2011, 4:25 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Because in 14 days the war would be over. You've seen how short these little affairs are.

So? Not my problem.

Quoting Thomas N
For the same reason that Gober only took 1 CR period to bring his army from the southeast, over he Rocky Mountains, and to your front lines.

He had thousands stationed still in the northern area from the time of the cease-fire. He could step off just as quickly as I did. Besides, we're talking about 6,000 or so miles less, at much faster speeds (25 knots vs. 40 mph). Do you know how many days it took me to get from India to the Ivory Coast in the last group? I took me a week. I sat down with a map compass and an atlas and plotted it out, it was agonizing (just ask Evan), but it was real.

Ask Nick how long I made his invasion of Algeria wait because of real-time travel? I'm pretty sure it was at least three days that I postponed it.

Not to mention swinging WAY south to miss my sweeps of Midway and Wake. And somehow missing my satellite observations of his harbors.

Quoting Areetsa C
If a CM is needed, I'm sure I can handle some of it. Considering that unlike some people I know the difference between the character people display in-game and their normal one, I don't think bias should be a problem.

So you honestly wouldn't be biased against me even though I took out a good portion of your budding strategic program?

At least you wouldn't be able to attack me while you were a CM...
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| March 5, 2011, 5:13 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So? Not my problem.


I'm sure it'd be your problem if these positions were reversed. You're a man for action, are you not? We all prefer things happening than waiting around and doing nothing while our troops inch their way across the world in real time. Real time's warped enough as it is, why not take it a step further?
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| March 5, 2011, 5:22 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I think you guys are just mad because now that Nick has reinforcements, you might not be able to take land that doesn't belong to you anymore.

That or not getting the info we should from intelligence systems while our enemy's intel works flawlessly, or the fact that an air force of unknown numbers (still) is somehow holding its own against the combined AFs of four nations (with Cuba), or the flagrant denial of weapons to counter enemy's wonder weapons.

That all could factor into it too, you know.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I'm sure it'd be your problem if these positions were reversed. You're a man for action, are you not? We all prefer things happening than waiting around and doing nothing while our troops inch their way across the world in real time.

It was my problem in the last group, read my entire last post, you'll see.

As for 'inching' yeah. It took all of 39 days for Germany to take France. Poland? Even less. These are comparing rather similar military types as well.

Quoting Thomas N
And newsflash, Nick and friends control much more of the Pacific Ocean than you do from Midway. Cliffe had plenty of seaways open that you couldn't get planes/ships into.

Yeah, I got that part. It still takes longer to go around, probably adding a day or so.
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| March 5, 2011, 5:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
So you honestly wouldn't be biased against me even though I took out a good portion of your budding strategic program?

At least you wouldn't be able to attack me while you were a CM...

Holding personal grudges against people because of what they do in a game is immaturity of the highest order.

Besides, there's no talent involved in sabotaging CRs, is there? Saying "hurr durr he annoys me so all his d00dz drive their tanks into a lake in the middle of the Sahara" doesn't take any skill at all.

Quoting Ultramarine .
That or not getting the info we should from intelligence systems while our enemy's intel works flawlessly, or the fact that an air force of unknown numbers (still) is somehow holding its own against the combined AFs of four nations (with Cuba), or the flagrant denial of weapons to counter enemy's wonder weapons.

That all could factor into it too, you know.

Well perhaps if people actually told the CM what was happening, it wouldn't be a problem. It isn't really fair if the CM decides that everyone's got highly placed spies in everyone else's territory, would it?
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| March 5, 2011, 5:38 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Holding personal grudges against people because of what they do in a game is immaturity of the highest order.

Besides, there's no talent involved in sabotaging CRs, is there? Saying "hurr durr he annoys me so all his d00dz drive their tanks into a lake in the middle of the Sahara" doesn't take any skill at all.

I lol'd. I can respect that. We'll see what others have to say.

Quoting Areetsa C
Well perhaps if people actually told the CM what was happening, it wouldn't be a problem. It isn't really fair if the CM decides that everyone's got highly placed spies in everyone else's territory, would it?

Let's see:
"Satellites will keep tabs on...Pacific..."
"Egyptian ports are under tabs [via satellite]"
^That's what I meant. Satellites worked wonders for the PCU, not so much for me...


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| March 5, 2011, 5:46 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
From the CR: "-In a secret move by Egypt, a massive transportation force is floating a land force to California through two Oceans, in an undisclosed operation (until now, since satellites have seen evidence) meant to help defend their ally."

I might understand California, then. However, Mexico? His whats-it sorry excuses for planes aren't stealth, you know. At least one aerial landing attempt by my allies have failed, yet a similar one by Egypt goes undetected in Mexico and is successful?

Look, I'm just trying to get answers here. Or see your reasoning behind the magic.
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| March 5, 2011, 6:00 pm
I am in agreement with Ultra here, I think there are just too many points showing Tom's obvious bias. I'd rather this war was put on hold for a month than continue with a CM inclined to be biased.

And the idea that Cliffe's fighters are "better" than Ultra's is preposterous. So I vote for a new unbiased combat mod, or none at all.
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| March 5, 2011, 6:12 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I'm going o post a bare-bones CR now, and then a map. Just to ease things for my replacement.

I haven't sent you any orders...

Neither has Brikkr and at least one other of my allies.
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| March 5, 2011, 6:16 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I haven't sent you any orders...

Neither has Brikkr and at least one other of my allies.

and I thought Tom wasn't CM anymore anyway...?
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| March 5, 2011, 6:22 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
And the idea that Cliffe's fighters are "better" than Ultra's is preposterous.

If Ultra's using real fighters, I think the general rule of thumb is that moc>reallife.
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| March 5, 2011, 6:24 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
and I thought Tom wasn't CM anymore anyway...?

Yep. Thought so too.

Quoting Areetsa C
If Ultra's using real fighters, I think the general rule of thumb is that moc>reallife.

I'm not, I replaced them all with MOCs. The F-29 is the F-1C from the old group, and the F-89 is the JSF-1 from the old group.
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| March 5, 2011, 6:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yep. Thought so too.


/ Face..... Palm.

I can't take this guy (Tom) seriously anymore. He didn't let you post your orders, and he forgot to include mine.

As far as I'm concerned, the above CR never happened.
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| March 5, 2011, 6:29 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I posted a bare bones CR just to show the current state of things. I didn't use anyone's specific orders, just gave the locations and standings of fronts and such.

Quoting Danny Morgan

/ Face..... Palm.

I can't take this guy (Tom) seriously anymore. He didn't let you post your orders, and he forgot to include mine.

As far as I'm concerned, the above CR never happened.

I'm not including anyone's orders!

Areetsa needs to know how things are going on each of the front lines so he has a foundation to base things off of. That's what the above was for. I didn't use your (Danny) specific orders, I didn't use Ultra's specific orders, and I didn't use Nick's specific orders. I only posted a basic generalization of what things are like in each area of interest.

Ok, so no battlefield advancements or anything really changed?
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| March 5, 2011, 6:44 pm
Quoting Thomas N
No, it took one. When you sent me the plans, I didn't put them in the immediate CM, but in the next one after that.

Cliffe's forces have been loading/ in transit /unloading for a week now. That's fine for the time crunch I put in.

I think you guys are just mad because now that Nick has reinforcements, you might not be able to take land that doesn't belong to you anymore.


Actually, in one CR you said my men were on the move. In the next you said they arrived. That amounts to four days, real time. I was also saying that that the time-frame for my invasion was off, but not as out of proportion as Cliffe's.
You misunderstood what I was saying.

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| March 5, 2011, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Actually, in one CR you said my men were on the move. In the next you said they arrived. That amounts to four days, real time. I was also saying that that the time-frame for my invasion was off, but not as out of proportion as Cliffe's.
You misunderstood what I was saying.

Well, looks like he fixed it so they aren't there quite yet.
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| March 5, 2011, 7:03 pm
Allies: We're facing heavy losses and resistance! Let's change the CM instead of admitting defeat!

Axis: lol, u mad bro?
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| March 5, 2011, 7:09 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Allies: We're facing heavy losses and resistance! Let's change the CM instead of admitting defeat!

Axis: lol, u mad bro?

Even if that were true, and Tom were the only CM left in the group, I would not admit defeat. Don't forget, you're suffering losses as well in personnel and real estate.
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| March 5, 2011, 7:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Even if that were true, and Tom were the only CM left in the group, I would not admit defeat. Don't forget, you're suffering losses as well in personnel and real estate.

You're losing twice as many, maybe thrice, personnel each battle than I am.
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| March 5, 2011, 7:17 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
You're also not being defeated. If you noticed, you're still gaining ground, it's just costing you.

I would say Nick is still in the worse position, mostly because he's already lost Idaho and most of Nevada, as well as most of his portion of Mexico. Ultra and co. is still winning, they just have somewhat more losses than Nick and friends.

Oh, I know. And unlike some people *CoughHamCough* I can actually take the casualties without freaking. I just wish everyone would stop "OMG!!! You're running out of men!" When I'm not...
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| March 5, 2011, 8:26 pm
We have realized that what is left of the rebel airforce is ripping our choppers to pieces, that is why we send whatever fighters we have left, and wait for our prototype, the DH-12 to be ready for use.
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| March 5, 2011, 8:49 pm
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Nordic updates:

UNC military advisers as well as strategists have finally realized that our soon to be premier fighter, the Alaskan F27, is actually experiencing combat right now (duh! how could I forget!). We are overall worried with its performance, which would appear to be not as dominant as hoped. We are not faulting the Alaskan designers, as we have discovered the airframe to be excellent, but rather, we will make sure that we provide super modern countermeasures and avionics to help it through possible exchanges with other 5th gen fighters. Most troubling to us was the loss of 7 (with F35 support) while only downing 13 PCU aircraft (the Brazilian dogfight from the last CR. Given the number of "fodder aircraft" we anticipated better results. The problem confronting the Nordic Air Command is that at max, we anticipate around 200 5th gen fighters to be in service eventually. These numbers are too low for protracted combat.

Due to these rather shatter conclusions, development of a comprehensive integrated air defense system has begun, being seen as a cheaper and more viable defense weapon than the fighter.

That being said, NAC has taken money away from the attack helicopter program, cutting the order for them in half (100) to scrape together enough funds for not only new countermeasures, but an additional 50 airframes of F27s.

On the other hand, we hope that our own technology in the form of the C5A MBT, should it meet combat in America, performs well for our Alaskan business contact.

Shipyards are currently working hard on our three new vessels, and they continue along at a respectable pace. Full automation of crane systems has allowed for increased performance than before, thus reducing overall build time *slightly*.

We invite all of our (neutral) European neighbors to a large scale naval and air exercises to increase defense readiness and promote better relations and inter compatibility of our militaries.


In other news, with the impending full introduction of the C220 IFV, the M113A5 has been finally been declared obsolete. Technicians are beginning to strip the important systems from our examples (countermeasures, APS, engine, etc) and stockpile them for use in future projects. With this announcement, the 77 years of M113 service looks to come to a close.

Onto a more civilian side of the country, the recent name change to the UNC has produced mixed feelings, more than we had hoped for. While some (especially in Finland, Iceland, and Greenland) praised the change (as it includes their region) others were left scratching their heads, reduced to thinking "Why name it for Scandinavia if the country never got most of it?" There are radical factions that are beginning to crop up, very slowly, with anti Baltic-Union sentiments, expressing what they feel should be rightful UFS (they refuse to call my nation the UNC) territory, specifically Denmark and Estonia. Freedom of speech prevents any action from being taken, but it is indeed a troubling development.

As a whole, the country is relatively stable, minus Greenland which is still slightly traumatized by the rapid race for control of it.

The country, however, is very polarized about both the Pacific Wars and the new American Civil War. With both sides using such ghastly and indiscriminant weaponry against innocent civilians there is, of course, resentment of both sides. However, other than high ranking politicians, the nation has more or less adopted a policy of "not me, doesn't matter." However, our economy, particuarly toursim, is hurting. While the WC has not been a regular tourist provider since the New Jersey incident, the lack of tourists coming from the West coast of America is hurting us. Self-reliance is another thing which the UNC is having to learn again. While member states such as Sweden have always been rather self-reliant, Norway in particular is hurting due to lack of industry. Overall, private industry is experiencing a boom (much to the government's delight) due to isolation from America's once mighty industrial base.

That is all.
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| March 5, 2011, 9:19 pm
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Let's see. What's been going on lately? Oh, right...

Guatemala has introduced a bill that would explore even more opportunities for energy and income. With the WC enjoying a strong economy (relatively, given the circumstances) based on energy and precious metals, Guatemala is emulating the model and implementing their version soon. More oil rigs and wells will be constructed/sunk. Gold mining along with nickel and other necessary metals will be expanded. Not only will this help the national economy, but also the unemployment rate. The Belize citizenry has held a meeting and demanded the Guatemalans do something about their economy, so a good deal of the program will be extended into the new territory.

Recruitment continues to go well, it appears that some people know why we're fighting this war. Production goes well also.

Sneaky things going on, you wouldn't understand. Thanks to a generous ally in the Pacific (Or was it the Atlantic? Indian Ocean? No, wait, it's the Arctic Ocean!) the A/B-3 production is getting 'wings' (Red Bull is being provided to the factory workers) and should arrive in sufficient (though sustainable) numbers shortly.

China is respectfully warned against further interference in American affairs, we don't want to fight you, this is not your war. Go home and spend your dollars where they're needed, like reestablishing your economy.
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| March 5, 2011, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

The country, however, is very polarized about both the Pacific Wars and the new American Civil War. With both sides using such ghastly and indiscriminant weaponry against innocent civilians there is, of course, resentment of both sides.


I don't use ghastly weapons unless I face a fate so dreadful I have no other choice. >.>

In China today:
-The Emperor hung a portrait of George Handel.
-Tibet is being secured, but insurgents lurk in rural areas.
-Most of the border with India, Nepal, Bhutan, and Alenia has been reached and is being watched, but there are still interior areas not yet under control.
-The last unorganized Communist resistance was destroyed. They were more outlaws hiding in a cave on Hainan than anything, but still, resistance is resistance.
-Investment in Indonesia ongoing, their citizens have quieted down.
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| March 5, 2011, 9:50 pm
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Just realized the group music is still trolololol >.> I will get rid of it now.

EDIT: If anyone can name what the new music is from, what the song is called, they get a super massive cookie and my seal of approval.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:01 pm
well, considering that the war in madagascar, is practically over, I will stop producing war materials in large numbers, and focus on my growing economy. I will pay the top scientists in the country to try and engineer a grass with deep roots and requires less water. but, I will fund the creation of the DH-12 and another mystery project. both of those facilities will be put under extreme survailence. 24 hour watches and daily air partrols.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
China is respectfully warned against further interference in American affairs, we don't want to fight you, this is not your war. Go home and spend your dollars where they're needed, like reestablishing your economy.


Yes, like you stayed out of Asian affairs and didn't get involved in a diplomatic conflict promptly elevated to a war not your own?

I say it's always healthy to get a dose of your own medicine. I think you and I will be much more understanding of each other's feelings after this. By the way, my economy is still doing better than yours I'd imagine, so I don't have much to worry about.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:26 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Danny Morgan
And the idea that Cliffe's fighters are "better" than Ultra's is preposterous.

If Ultra's using real fighters, I think the general rule of thumb is that moc>reallife.

The WC has had production rights to the F-1 Blackfish for some time, which even Nick admits is superior to his aircraft. I think it balances out though, as Nick's planes are more numerous, but Ultra's airforce is by no means outdated.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yes, like you stayed out of Asian affairs and didn't get involved in a diplomatic conflict promptly elevated to a war not your own?

I didn't elevate it, just so you know. I know no one will believe that. Just because I caused the most damage? Well, good piloting on my men's part.

My economy is doing ok, thank you.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yes, like you stayed out of Asian affairs and didn't get involved in a diplomatic conflict promptly elevated to a war not your own?



My economy is doing ok, thank you.

Both of our economies are in the toilet right now. You've been fighting an offensive war for nearly a month, causing mass casualties on your side. I've been fighting a defensive one for the same period, losing both civilians and military personnel and losing a lot of things.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:42 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Both of our economies are in the toilet right now. You've been fighting an offensive war for nearly a month, causing mass casualties on your side. I've been fighting a defensive one for the same period, losing both civilians and military personnel and losing a lot of things.

Yeah, but oil is dirt cheap for me, raw materials were practically stockpiled before this mess started, nuclear energy frees up lots of coal and other stuff, prisoners are manning the menial labor, and gold is still the admiration of the world last I checked. Plus, I now have three economies working for me.

Not saying mine isn't down, but I think I'm better off than you.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, but oil is dirt cheap for me, raw materials were practically stockpiled before this mess started, nuclear energy frees up lots of coal and other stuff, and gold is still the admiration of the world last I checked. Plus, I now have three economies working for me.

Yea, yea, we've gone over this many times already. But remember that gold and oil don't make an economy. Cliffe tried to say that his economy was the best in the world last time because he had sun energy out the rear end, don't copy him.
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| March 5, 2011, 10:46 pm
Also, will someone please agree to being CM. :|
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| March 5, 2011, 10:49 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, will someone please agree to being CM. :|

I have, Tom seems fine with it, but I'm not quite sure about Will.
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| March 5, 2011, 11:19 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
I have, Tom seems fine with it, but I'm not quite sure about Will.

I'm fine with it too, but Ultra will never agree.
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| March 5, 2011, 11:23 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Yea, yea, we've gone over this many times already. But remember that gold and oil don't make an economy. Cliffe tried to say that his economy was the best in the world last time because he had sun energy out the rear end, don't copy him.

Oil effects everything. Take notice as the Jasmine Revolutions continues and oil prices rise, everything else gets more expensive as well. Not to say you can build an economy off of only oil, but you can ensure it does some good for the people to keep it flowing.
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| March 5, 2011, 11:23 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
I have, Tom seems fine with it, but I'm not quite sure about Will.

I agree.
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| March 5, 2011, 11:24 pm
So will Areetsa be our new CM?
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| March 5, 2011, 11:26 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-By the way, my economy is still doing better than yours I'd imagine, so I don't have much to worry about.

Yeah no, China without a united US or EU will pretty much have no one to trade with. With its large production based economy shut down and the country itself destabalized I don't think you'd be too strong right now. Not to mention that you have been on the warpath since the beginning of this group, so I'd say if you take a lot of casualties in equipment in this war your economy will be on the verge of collapse. Not to mention how your people feel about being stuck at war and that a majority of your people were former citizens of the PRC, they wouldn't be too happy that you're interfering with a war in America.
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| March 5, 2011, 11:29 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm fine with it too, but Ultra will never agree.

What makes you so sure? Arty understands the subtleties of war. In my experience, he's been good & fair. Though I've never had him as CM... We'll try him & see.
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| March 5, 2011, 11:32 pm
Send orders to Arty for a CR tomorrow? Is this what I am hearing?
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| March 5, 2011, 11:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Send orders to Arty for a CR tomorrow? Is this what I am hearing?

Think so...

Quoting henry wang
Yeah no, China without a united US or EU will pretty much have no one to trade with. With its large production based economy shut down and the country itself destabalized I don't think you'd be too strong right now. Not to mention that you have been on the warpath since the beginning of this group, so I'd say if you take a lot of casualties in equipment in this war your economy will be on the verge of collapse. Not to mention how your people feel about being stuck at war and that a majority of your people were former citizens of the PRC, they wouldn't be too happy that you're interfering with a war in America.

Yep, that's the truth. When I 'interfered' I sent in all of 10 planes. He's sending over quite a bit more.
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| March 5, 2011, 11:47 pm
The Eastern Confederation would like to warn the international community that the triggering of volcanoes on the continent of North America is a possibility. Our intelligence officials have reason to believe Chinese and PCU have planned intricately to set of one or more volcanoes in PCU territory as a last resort.
An event such as this would cause all North American nations to be severely harmed because of the ash cloud(s) from the blasts. In the event that this happens don't say we didn't warn you.
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| March 6, 2011, 12:00 am
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Quoting henry wang
Yeah no, China without a united US or EU will pretty much have no one to trade with. With its large production based economy shut down and the country itself destabalized I don't think you'd be too strong right now. Not to mention that you have been on the warpath since the beginning of this group, so I'd say if you take a lot of casualties in equipment in this war your economy will be on the verge of collapse. Not to mention how your people feel about being stuck at war and that a majority of your people were former citizens of the PRC, they wouldn't be too happy that you're interfering with a war in America.


You do have a point, but you neglect the fact I do have other foreign nations contracting my out to do certain tasks for them. Billions of dollars coming in, billions of dollars going out. It won't hold, but it'll hold long enough for my expeditionary force to ensure the PCU survives until the next time the Confederations decide he's a threat.

The warpath has been going the whole time, but things aren't standing still either. We're no little African nation falling apart when the civil war came, this was two nations versus each other for a long time, enough time to give each a solid industrial base I'd say.

I don't intend to stay long in America, but Nick is more valuable alive than dead. If those pesky Americans control the West Coast, I'll have bigger things to worry about than my economy.


Quoting Will G.
The Eastern Confederation would like to warn the international community that the triggering of volcanoes on the continent of North America is a possibility. Our intelligence officials have reason to believe Chinese and PCU have planned intricately to set of one or more volcanoes in PCU territory as a last resort.
An event such as this would cause all North American nations to be severely harmed because of the ash cloud(s) from the blasts. In the event that this happens don't say we didn't warn you.


WOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAH

/shakes wine glass

You still believe every word I say?
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| March 6, 2011, 12:02 am
Quoting Will G.
The Eastern Confederation would like to warn the international community that the triggering of volcanoes on the continent of North America is a possibility. Our intelligence officials have reason to believe Chinese and PCU have planned intricately to set of one or more volcanoes in PCU territory as a last resort.
An event such as this would cause all North American nations to be severely harmed because of the ash cloud(s) from the blasts. In the event that this happens don't say we didn't warn you.

Greatest prank ever.
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| March 6, 2011, 12:03 am
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Quoting Will G.
An event such as this would cause all North American nations to be severely harmed because of the ash cloud(s) from the blasts. In the event that this happens don't say we didn't warn you.

I don't think natural disasters are a part of the CR, are they?
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| March 6, 2011, 12:05 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
I don't think natural disasters are a part of the CR, are they?

You can cause them with lots of explosives though.
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| March 6, 2011, 12:35 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
WOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAH

/shakes wine glass

You still believe every word I say?

Considering the sort of things Nick does, and how you two are such great friends? It's not totally outside the boundaries of plausability.

Be interesting to try it on Yellowstone..

Quoting Ultramarine .
I don't think natural disasters are a part of the CR, are they?

It depends on whether they're natural or not, I think.
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| March 6, 2011, 12:36 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Quoting Will G.
The Eastern Confederation would like to warn the international community that the triggering of volcanoes on the continent of North America is a possibility. Our intelligence officials have reason to believe Chinese and PCU have planned intricately to set of one or more volcanoes in PCU territory as a last resort.
An event such as this would cause all North American nations to be severely harmed because of the ash cloud(s) from the blasts. In the event that this happens don't say we didn't warn you.


WOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAH

/shakes wine glass

You still believe every word I say?

LULZ.
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| March 6, 2011, 12:39 am
Quoting Areetsa C

Be interesting to try it on Yellowstone..

I told Awe we should've done that one firs, but he doesn't wish to see the Northern Hemisphere implode.


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| March 6, 2011, 12:46 am
In order for our citizens to feel safer with a war going on so close the military will be on alert.
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| March 6, 2011, 12:50 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Areetsa C

Be interesting to try it on Yellowstone..

I told Awe we should've done that one firs, but he doesn't wish to see the Northern Hemisphere implode.


Yeah, I agree there. I would like the land to remain at least somewhat inhabitable. :P
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| March 6, 2011, 12:50 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I told Awe we should've done that one firs, but he doesn't wish to see the Northern Hemisphere implode.

Actually, Yellowstone would be an apocalyptic event. The entire world would be covered in the ash cloud in days. People would start dropping like flies in a couple weeks. With the sun blocked out for weeks at a time, the crops would die, and all of you guys' precious solar panels would stop working and the algae would stop growing.

So there...
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| March 6, 2011, 1:09 am
El Presidente, along with many senior ranking military generals, are baffled as to why the thousands of troops being sent to the front lines are not being heard from. None of their objectives have been taken, however, they have none of them have been confirmed KIA by any humanitarian groups. A team of investigators has determined that approximately 40,000 CDC troops are stuck in Tom's Flickr Mailbox waiting to move out. The other possibility is that they all just got high and kinda wandered off. We have not had any communication with these men yet, and will label them "missing in action" for the time being.
Seriously though Tom, what's up with my orders?!?!? This is the 2nd set you've neglected.
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| March 6, 2011, 1:14 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Actually, Yellowstone would be an apocalyptic event. The entire world would be covered in the ash cloud in days. People would start dropping like flies in a couple weeks. With the sun blocked out for weeks at a time, the crops would die, and all of you guys' precious solar panels would stop working and the algae would stop growing.

So there...


That's completely wrong. Coincidentally, we were discussing past Yellowstone explosions in science several days ago. To be sure, it would be massive, but no apocalyptic. The largest explosion cover most of the US excluding the two coasts. It would not kill off the world.

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| March 6, 2011, 1:16 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

That's completely wrong. Coincidentally, we were discussing past Yellowstone explosions in science several days ago. To be sure, it would be massive, but no apocalyptic. The largest explosion cover most of the US excluding the two coasts. It would not kill off the world.

Do the research, kid.
http://www.rense.com/general31/overdue.htm
http://www.unmuseum.org/supervol.htm

It's something novel called: Volcanic winter. Happened with the Samoan volcano way back when, only this one is quite a bit larger...
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| March 6, 2011, 1:22 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Do the research, kid.
http://www.rense.com/general31/overdue.htm
http://www.unmuseum.org/supervol.htm

It's something novel called: Volcanic winter. Happened with the Samoan volcano way back when, only this one is quite a bit larger...

I think I'm going to go with the information he got from SCHOOL over the information from the internet on this one...
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| March 6, 2011, 1:36 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I think I'm going to go with the information he got from SCHOOL over the information from the internet on this one...

Hang on:
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/supervolcano/under/under_02.html
I think we all pretty much believe the Discovery Channel. However, schools use books, right? (To loosely use your argument that didn't seem to be based on much else) Here's a great source for this, Windows Into the Earth (mentioned in the article).

So, other than "Teacher says so it must be true." What's your argument?
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| March 6, 2011, 1:43 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I think I'm going to go with the information he got from SCHOOL over the information from the internet on this one...

Info in the text books changes rapidly. And when we get to public school you might even be smarter than your teacher. Yellowstone would cause a volcanic winter. You yourself said you wished that upon America so that only the scientists would be spared Cliffe.
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| March 6, 2011, 1:46 am
It's not textbooks, it's straight out of scientific studies. The ash is found in the rock layers, and by when it's all mapped out it shows it's not a doomsday event.

Here's the image from class: http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/images/fs2005-3024_fig_12.jpg

As you can see, the largest explosion din't even cover half the US. It's a large area to be sure, but not on doomsday scale. And I put my trust in US Geological Survey than Discovery.
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| March 6, 2011, 2:17 am
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Volcanoes are responsible for 1816's Year Without a Summer, in which the global temperature was cooled by .5 degrees Celcius, but had enough impact (cooling impact) that it snowed in June and July (in the United States. The cause is believed to be primarily the eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia, along with other volcanic eruptions in previous years. The result was a global food shortage and resulted in famine in places like Switzerland and China. Indeed volcanoes can change the climate quite effectively.

I should add that, while I don't think any serious thought was given to it, no player can control nature by inducing natural disasters.
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| March 6, 2011, 10:27 am
Yea, we weren't being serious. We were just trying to get a good laugh.
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