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International Conversation Forum XV
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Highlights:

-Apparent resumption of the N. American War.

-International strains and bickering.

-Other.
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| March 6, 2011, 2:36 pm
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Quoting Will G
...the triggering of volcanoes on the continent of North America is a possibility. Our intelligence officials have reason to believe Chinese and PCU have planned intricately to set of one or more volcanoes in PCU territory as a last resort.

Further proof that when god wants to wreak havoc on the human race, he hires Awe.


Baltic News:

More Polish protesters lined the streets in big cities and at border crossings alike, and they seem to have taken the idea of removing the standing President to heart.


The B.N.S. Amsterdam is mere weeks away from completion.

Admiral Neumo Mk. 2 Destroyers and Type-6 U-boats continue to be constructed.

Notice: The Luftwaffe and Aero-Royale are looking to contract out production of an all-aspects stealth Air-superiority fighter to another country, so that they could design it to us and, for a price, allow us to produce it labeled as the AR-15a.
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| March 6, 2011, 2:58 pm
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Sorry all for my extended leave. Been busy with school, allergies causing feverish aches (season change FFFUUUUU), and other social items. I still won't be on much these next couple of weeks granted my AP courses are kicking the schedule into overdrive and spring will cause me many a headache.


In other [Russian] news, a slight nationalist boost was seen after military showcases were held across the Union State. Because of the rather disturbing era of resumed proxy wars [this time near home], the combined governments of the Union felt it would be nice for the public to know exactly what our boys in the field are working with. Experimental technologies and recently developed defense systems alike were seen over the past two days and many live-fire demonstrations awed the crowd. Although the showcases were short-lived, the government now feels that the people are more comfortable with federal security and in granting their hard-earned tax money for a re-envisioned Russian military. And after all is said and done, a slight increase of recruitment was noticed. Many females once stuck at home doing little more than a nine-to-five work or at home caring for loved ones have decided to boot-up and grab a rifle. This period of feminism involved in nationalism makes us proud.

Aside from all of that, the Russian government would like to at least have some observers present within the Nordic-sponsored joint defense exercise. Granted the Union State isn't technically neutral due to Russo-Byzantine hostilities, we fear we cannot participate fully.

Economically, the Siberian Natural Resources Excavation and Budgeting Board [SNREBB] has been established. Aside from having a lengthy name, the SNREBB is the future of economic independence in the form of locally harvested natural resources; and of course conservation and sustainability are of top priority. Still, we shall be founding new was to dig up some stealthy oil and natural gas reserves for use in private markets between the former EU and Union State nations. A slight percentage shall be kept for government consumption and logistical advancement for the Siberian Quarter. We also hope to use the strong, and terribly fickle, Arctic winds as a means of clean energy. If all goes well, we should be able make the Greenies a little less angry and the civvies a tad more aware of the other half of the rather large nation that is Russia.

Finally, in retaliation to all the successes of the Russian Federation, a rather infant terror cell [or so we suspect] bombed a rave. Several small, but lethal suitcase bombs were detonated; severely disrupting the techno beats and ecstasy-consuming young adults' funky dance rhythms. Regardless, some forty people have been hospitalized and another twelve have been buried. No leading intel has been gathered; however, we suspect this to be another short-lived cell that is merely feeding off the negative energy from Chechnya and Crimea. Regardless, local police offices are on full alert with the go-ahead to eliminate as many terrorists as possible if they are engaged. More news later.
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| March 6, 2011, 2:58 pm
Quoting Areetsa

Since you are the heir apparent to the CM position, will you be posting one tonight?
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| March 6, 2011, 3:00 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Aside from all of that, the Russian government would like to at least have some observers present within the Nordic-sponsored joint defense exercise. Granted the Union State isn't technically neutral due to Russo-Byzantine hostilities, we fear we cannot participate fully.


Due to Russia being a close ally to the UNC, we urge them to make a decision based off of their own defense considerations.

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| March 6, 2011, 3:45 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
...that it snowed in June and July in the United States.

Boy, I live in Colorado, that happens every year here!

But it is nice to know the continent won't disappear because of one person's lack of fair play.
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| March 6, 2011, 3:59 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

Further proof that when god wants to wreak havoc on the human race, he hires Awe.



There is so much truth here, it's going on my quotes list.

In China today:
-A public awareness campaign has been raised to keep people on the lookout for Slender Man.
-Production of foreign things has begun.
-There is some debate over how far we want to get involved in a foreign war across the sea.
-Tibet is the usual. Indirect fire is highly useful here.
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| March 6, 2011, 4:00 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Boy, I live in Colorado, that happens every year here!

But it is nice to know the continent won't disappear because of one person's lack of fair play.



I believe the accounts of that snow were from Philadelphia. Believe me, that is highly unusual for that area of the East coast!
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| March 6, 2011, 4:06 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great In China today:
-A public awareness campaign has been raised to keep people on the lookout for Slender Man.

The Pacific Union is following suit. In these times of immense danger, we urge them not to venture outdoors during the night hours.

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| March 6, 2011, 4:07 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
I believe the accounts of that snow were from Philadelphia. Believe me, that is highly unusual for that area of the East coast!

Yeah, you guys actually have four seasons out there. We get two, maybe three if we're lucky. Summer & winter are usually separated by less than a week to a month up this high.
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| March 6, 2011, 4:10 pm
Production of the DH-11 is beginning now. You will see what it is inside the week. Plus, anti tank/ aircraft artillery bunkers will be placed all along the border of Angola. Plus I send some humanitarian aid to Madagascar.
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| March 6, 2011, 4:18 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Since you are the heir apparent to the CM position, will you be posting one tonight?

Most likely.
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| March 6, 2011, 4:43 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Most likely.

/evil laugh.
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| March 6, 2011, 4:44 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
/evil laugh.

Yeah I never agreed to another biased combat mod, but if my side (WC, EC, Brazil, etc.) agrees, then don't have much say...
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| March 6, 2011, 5:41 pm
In addition to the Production of the DH-11, I will be gin working on "project Alpha" no one should worry about my experiments, they will not be used against you as long as you stay out of my buisness.
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| March 6, 2011, 5:49 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

There is so much truth here, it's going on my quotes list.

/Success

Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, you guys actually have four seasons out there. We get two, maybe three if we're lucky. Summer & winter are usually separated by less than a week to a month up this high.

Here in Minnesota, we have two seasons too. Winter and road construction.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Yeah I never agreed to another biased combat mod, but if my side (WC, EC, Brazil, etc.) agrees, then don't have much say...

Boy, if you keep that up, you'll see how biased I am when I'm actually trying to be.
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| March 6, 2011, 5:49 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Yeah I never agreed to another biased combat mod, but if my side (WC, EC, Brazil, etc.) agrees, then don't have much say...


Are you just against all combat moderators?
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| March 6, 2011, 5:52 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Are you just against all combat moderators?

Only the ones who don't realize the all-conquering awesomeness of his mocs.
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| March 6, 2011, 6:00 pm
Here's the thing about CMs
If an ally and an enemy are fighting, even if the ally is better, he has to let the enemy win or else people will say he's "biased"
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| March 6, 2011, 6:16 pm
/facepalm.

No....
Just that you guys insist on having a CM biased towards your side. When I mentioned Alaska, you guys were like 'oh noes!' but it's fine for Alenia, who's bombed the WC, to combat mod for him and Nick?

But if Ultra and co. Is fine with Areetsa Combat Modding, then ok, I couldn't do much anyway...
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| March 6, 2011, 6:16 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
/facepalm.

No....
Just that you guys insist on having a CM biased towards your side. When I mentioned Alaska, you guys were like 'oh noes!' but it's fine for Alenia, who's bombed the WC, to combat mod for him and Nick?

But if Ultra and co. Is fine with Areetsa Combat Modding, then ok, I couldn't do much anyway...

If things start "Driving into sand pits," then we'll have to see about it... Otherwise, I think we'll be fine.
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| March 6, 2011, 6:45 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Here's the thing about CMs
If an ally and an enemy are fighting, even if the ally is better, he has to let the enemy win or else people will say he's "biased"

Not me. Besides, the CM gets accused of bias no matter who's involved. It's part of the game.
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| March 6, 2011, 6:59 pm
Well, to again improve my economy, I begin construction of the atlantic net. It will stretch from St. helena island to the angolan coast. floating platforms will connect the twenty sections of steel net. This will channel trade through a gate on the side closer to the coast, a small toll will be collected, and this will hopefuully improve the economy. How can I afford this? you ask. Well, the only two large projects other than this are the DH-11 and Project alpha, and I'm only making one copy of each so it's not that expensive. plus netting isn't that expensive. Yes, I am aware that this will take weeks to complete.
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| March 6, 2011, 7:14 pm
@ Ultra.
Ok, I was more worried he'd make you lose epically, seeing as you two have a feud going on, I wasn't that worried for myself (as far as I know I've done nothing to greatly upset Alenia). So, I guess We'll see how things go...

A few things:
1- what is Areetsa's Flickr? I don't think I've got Areetsa down as a contact...
2- when are the COs due by (I can't send any right now)
3- any special things that Areetsa wants? (like Tom wanting short COs)
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| March 6, 2011, 7:21 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Well, to again improve my economy, I begin construction of the atlantic net. It will stretch from St. helena island to the angolan coast. floating platforms will connect the twenty sections of steel net. This will channel trade through a gate on the side closer to the coast, a small toll will be collected, and this will hopefuully improve the economy. How can I afford this? you ask. Well, the only two large projects other than this are the DH-11 and Project alpha, and I'm only making one copy of each so it's not that expensive. plus netting isn't that expensive. Yes, I am aware that this will take weeks to complete.

I just don't know how to respond to the imbecility of this post...

Anyhow, regardless of "large" projects, the sheer number of "small" federal projects is enough to keep you from building this rather absurd net. Not only that, but you can't build something so restrictive in international waters nor can you feasible build this at all. Not only would the tides tear down the wall, but you have don't have the resources to build this. More or less, this isn't happening. Sorry.
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| March 6, 2011, 7:26 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I just don't know how to respond to the imbecility of this post...

Anyhow, regardless of "large" projects, the sheer number of "small" federal projects is enough to keep you from building this rather absurd net. Not only that, but you can't build something so restrictive in international waters nor can you feasible build this at all. Not only would the tides tear down the wall, but you have don't have the resources to build this. More or less, this isn't
happening. Sorry.

sorry, I gave it a shot.

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| March 6, 2011, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
@ Ultra.
Ok, I was more worried he'd make you lose epically, seeing as you two have a feud going on, I wasn't that worried for myself (as far as I know I've done nothing to greatly upset Alenia). So, I guess We'll see how things go...

A few things:
1- what is Areetsa's Flickr? I don't think I've got Areetsa down as a contact...
2- when are the COs due by (I can't send any right now)
3- any special things that Areetsa wants? (like Tom wanting short COs)

If he does, and it's rather obvious, luckily we have admins to fall back on.

1-http://www.flickr.com/people/areetsa/
2-Prob 8 MPST
3-I don't know, but he's still gonna hate me.
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| March 6, 2011, 7:33 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
sorry, I gave it a shot.

The best thing to do would be to increase your local ports and make it attractive to foreign communities. The rage now is building "international cities". These planned cities have architectural, socio-environmental, and consumer appeal in which case combined to draw in big money. Of course it takes ages to actually have a final product, but the pay-offs are well worth it. Throw up a few embassies and begin trading negotiations with private businesses, player-controlled nations, and NPCs and you pretty much have the start to a stabilizing economy.
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| March 6, 2011, 7:34 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
/facepalm.

No....
Just that you guys insist on having a CM biased towards your side. When I mentioned Alaska, you guys were like 'oh noes!' but it's fine for Alenia, who's bombed the WC, to combat mod for him and Nick?

But if Ultra and co. Is fine with Areetsa Combat Modding, then ok, I couldn't do much anyway...

Jack Ford/Alaska has explicitly said that he can't let the WC fall because it'd hurt him more than I falling.
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| March 6, 2011, 7:38 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The best thing to do would be to increase your local ports and make it attractive to foreign communities. The rage now is building "international cities". These planned cities have architectural, socio-environmental, and consumer appeal in which case combined to draw in big money. Of course it takes ages to actually have a final product, but the pay-offs are well worth it. Throw up a few embassies and begin trading negotiations with private businesses, player-controlled nations, and NPCs and you pretty much have
the start to a stabilizing economy.


fine, I will set up some coastal communities and set up an Indo-union/ Australian embassy.

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| March 6, 2011, 7:43 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
A few things:
1- what is Areetsa's Flickr? I don't think I've got Areetsa down as a contact...
2- when are the COs due by (I can't send any right now)
3- any special things that Areetsa wants? (like Tom wanting short COs)

1: Ultra gave it to you.
2: around 10-ish Mocpages Time.
3: exact or fairly close force numbers would be nice. A fairly legible structure that doesn't lump everything into one big mass of text would be nice as well.
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| March 6, 2011, 8:10 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
fine, I will set up some coastal communities and set up an Indo-union/ Australian embassy.


The Indo-Union has been dissolved, in it's place is the Tributary State of Indonesia, which I monitor foreign affairs for. If you wish to deal with them, you deal with me first.
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| March 6, 2011, 8:22 pm
Spain would like to know if it is considered neutral by the UNC, as the joint-force exercises proposed intrigue high ranking naval officers.

In other news:
-The first order made by secret customer is complete, and shall be shipped immediately.
-The Inquisition has arrested a man plotted to bomb several sites in Madrid. He was reported by his wife, and was found with several bombs already made in his basement. His accomplice is on the run currently and is being hunted down.
-Factories are nearly ready to produce the previously mentioned AA weapon.
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| March 6, 2011, 8:29 pm
SECURITY UPDATE! STRAIGHT FROM THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF!

"Citizens of the PCU, tonight we face a danger even greater than the nations to the East! Sightings of Slenderman and his cohorts have risen dramatically in the past hour. You are all hereby ordered to board over your doors and windows, stock up on supplies and ammo, keep a gun on you at all times, and please do not fall asleep. These are dangerous times to venture out into the darkness. The PCU Army will attempt to protect you from this madness, but the Slenderman stops for no bullet. This is your Governor, Nick Shelton."
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| March 6, 2011, 9:01 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The Indo-Union has been dissolved, in it's place is the Tributary State of Indonesia, which I monitor foreign affairs for. If you wish to deal with them, you deal with me first.

Um...
When did this occur? I thought the original leader of the IU was assassinated, and China stepped in to stop the IU from completely dissolving into chaos. Now the IU is partially controlled (or at least, has to answer to) by China. So the IU, as far as I know, still exists, it's just highly influenced by you...
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| March 6, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Um...
When did this occur? I thought the original leader of the IU was assassinated, and China stepped in to stop the IU from completely dissolving into chaos. Now the IU is partially controlled (or at least, has to answer to) by China. So the IU, as far as I know, still exists, it's just highly influenced by you...



Well, you did give the country to him. Its not like you can protest that.
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| March 6, 2011, 9:19 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The best thing to do would be to increase your local ports and make it attractive to foreign communities. The rage now is building "international cities". These planned cities have architectural, socio-environmental, and consumer appeal in which case combined to draw in big money. Of course it takes ages to actually have a final product, but the pay-offs are well worth it. Throw up a few embassies and begin trading negotiations with private businesses, player-controlled nations, and NPCs and you pretty much have
the start to a stabilizing economy.


fine, I will set up some coastal communities and set up an Indo-union/ Australian embassy.

The Indo-Union is a territory of China, but it would be good for us if you created an Australian embassy. Maybe there is an island in the Indian Ocean where we can share a joint naval base.
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| March 6, 2011, 9:27 pm
Okay, I'm going to start writing the CR in maybe 15 minutes, if you've got any amendments you'd like to send in, you might want to get to it.
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| March 6, 2011, 10:07 pm
A poll is being taken in the ACU about the war in America results will be released when we have them.
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| March 6, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Um...
When did this occur? I thought the original leader of the IU was assassinated, and China stepped in to stop the IU from completely dissolving into chaos. Now the IU is partially controlled (or at least, has to answer to) by China. So the IU, as far as I know, still exists, it's just highly influenced by you...


This occurred after you handed over control, go back and look. Though it's practically the same government and same people, it's got a new name and is officially new.

Quoting Nick Shelton
SECURITY UPDATE! STRAIGHT FROM THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF!

"Citizens of the PCU, tonight we face a danger even greater than the nations to the East! Sightings of Slenderman and his cohorts have risen dramatically in the past hour. You are all hereby ordered to board over your doors and windows, stock up on supplies and ammo, keep a gun on you at all times, and please do not fall asleep. These are dangerous times to venture out into the darkness. The PCU Army will attempt to protect you from this madness, but the Slenderman stops for no bullet. This is your Governor, Nick Shelton."


We'll keep our eyes peeled for this demon of the otherworld. He might not be in China yet.

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| March 6, 2011, 10:43 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

This occurred after you handed over control, go back and look. Though it's practically the same government and same people, it's got a new name and is officially new.


Fair enough, just asking.

@ Matt
I'm not complaining or protesting, and I really don't need you to point out that I gave the Indo Union to Awe... It's really not very helpful.
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| March 7, 2011, 12:00 am
Please don't tell me you've spent that whole time writing the CR Areetsa
<.<

If so, I have more respect for even the biased CMs.

Do you think it will be done today?
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| March 7, 2011, 3:16 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Please don't tell me you've spent that whole time writing the CR Areetsa
<.<

If so, I have more respect for even the biased CMs.

Do you think it will be done today?

Some of it, and I don't know, probably.
I know Brikkr probably won't be too happy.
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| March 7, 2011, 3:34 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Some of it

I'm pretty sure you can post CR in separate posts, or add to it later, if you wanted to make your job easier...
Quoting Areetsa C
I know Brikkr probably won't be too happy.

Oh boy...
O.o
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| March 7, 2011, 3:46 am
Okay, partial CR for Ameriland:

Gulf of Mexico:

The HGS Ronald Reagan launched fighters and cruise missiles at a number of the WC's vaunted oil rigs, with malicious intent. The aircraft went for the support legs of the rigs. When the pilots noticed the intercepting CAP, a wave of reinforcing fighters was launched. Speaking of the CAP, there were also a number of coast-guard vessels providing air defense for the helpless rigs. While the MAF-2s tangled with the Confederation F89s and F-29s, the MAF-1s went in hard and fast for their objectives.

The end result of this is 7 MAF-2s in fragments, 25 MAF-1s which continued their hard-and-fast right into the ocean, 22 F-29s that couldn't hack it, 6 F-89s which kinda could hack it but didn't get lucky, and three and a half oil rigs leaking their product into the ocean. Oh, and a cutter that had half a MAF-1 land on its bridge.

By three and a half, I mean three oil rigs are a write off, the other one is leaking but is repairable.

Not too badly off are 3 MAF-2s with various missing pieces in a variety of sizes, 6 MAF-2s (two of which had to ditch near the Reagan due to landing gear damage), 6 F-29s in various states of disrepair, two more F-89s which aren't that badly damaged but'll take a lot of elbow grease to get in proper fighting condition, and half a dozen coast guard ships with varying levels of shrapnel damage.

The death toll on the surface is close to 75% of the crews from the destroyed rigs, thanks to the tendency of oil to ignite and MAF-1s to crash and burn, along with drowning and the aforementioned shrapnel. Several cutters are missing some crewmen, their whereabouts are unknown but presumably they fell overboard due to said shrapnel. The sunk cutter lost its captain, command crew and twenty three sailors.

In the air, the survival rate is much more reasonable: 17 WC pilots are deceased, the other 11 are back in friendly hands with the usual damage from ejecting. 16 of the rig striking MAF-1 pilots died, the other 8 are currently enjoying a nice long visit to Confederation POW camps. 2 MAF-2 pilots were killed in action, the rest are, you guessed it, enjoying a nice long Confederation holiday. The two ditched MAF-2 pilots were recovered alive, although they have a few broken bones and shrapnel holes.



Uzbekistan: PCU infiltrators somehow managed to get in past the Uzbek border, and planted a witch's brew of high explosives and sensor beacons on a variety of unidentified but no doubt important locations. Following that, near midnight, three Arketer superbombers and their escorts came along and bombed everything with a beacon on it. Needless to say, the explosive devices planted beforehand also detonated at around that time. The bomber headed to points east, while the escorts secured the largest airport they could find. Following that: a C-130 landed and discharged yet more infiltrators with some assault buggies. Well, infiltrator is probably the wrong word, going by the equipment they had with them. Covert shock troops? I dunno. Anyway, they went off and left a merry swathe of destruction from their surprise inspection tour of Uzbek manufacturing plants. They were last seen headed northeast, but thanks to their tremendously excessive air cover of five stealth jets, that's all that's known.

The death toll is unknown, but given they attacked during the night, it shouldn't be too high. Thirty police officers were killed and/or maimed in a variety of creative ways by bored fighter pilots while chasing the attackers, five unlucky border guards died of acute lead poisoning, and the PCU C-130 misplaced a wing near the eastern border due to alerted SAM operators. Two fast responding interceptor jets were also shot down, but the pilots managed to eject in time.



Egypt-related affairs:

During the night:
A squadron of stealth fighter-bombers went sneaking over the front lines with murder in their hearts and bombs in their bellies. The initial raids on Hypedup-falcon wings didn't do too much damage, since the bombers were going more for stealth than accuracy. Four Hyperfalcons were destroyed on the ground, with two more that scrambled to react also falling victim. One Hyperfalcon pilot and the occupants of a guard shack were the victims of the raid. The other Falcon pilot made his way home on foot, albeit with a broken arm, crunched rib and a concussion thanks to a blind parachute landing in a rocky field.
Off the coast, midnight: two squadrons more of said stealth fighters flew over Egyptian transport ships at high altitude, dropping AP bombs on every transport they saw. However, they were also carrying AAMs in case of interception, and had to make multiple runs on a couple of stubborn vessels, leaving the total losses here at 15 transports. They also ran afoul of an PCU fighter fighter wing, which they managed to send running for home, but not without losing four of their number.
Losses: I'm going to say a third of the chaps on the armoured vehicle transports were killed, and maybe 45% of the men on the more densely packed troopships. The rest, I presume, were recovered. Three PCU fighters were downed, with two more of them critically damaged. While none of the pilots of the downed planes were killed, one of the surviving jet pilots is currently in critical condition due to his injuries, and may or may not survive, depending on the medical skill of the attending medic. One of the ejected pilots is also MIA, having been missed by the rescue boats. The rest are fine.

Off the coast, ~half an hour later: more F-89s flew in at fairly low altitude, attacking more transports, and this time with anti-shipping missiles. However, the alerted air cover wasn't able to deal with them effectively, being tied up with a group of pesky UAVs coming from the southeast. The stealth jets, coming from the opposite direction, managed to smash up another 7 transports, with three more critically damaged and at risk of playing submarine at any moment.
Casualties are, I'd expect, much the same. All 10 of the UAVs were shot down, but the F-89s flew off Baja-wards and by the time the UAVs were done with, they were nowhere to be seen.

Off the coast, ~half an hour later: three bombers flying over at extremely high altitude dropped a quantity of bombs on the escorting fleet and some of the surviving transports, with an escort of 4 of the ever-popular F-89s coming along at low altitude.
The bombs fell unopposed, but the F-89s were embroiled in an extremely costly dogfight. All of the F-89s were downed, along with six MAF-1s and two MAF-2s. No survivors.
The damaged transports were sunk, and a PCU warship was badly knocked about. The warship lost its sensor capability and much of its mobility, and the transports went straight to the bottom with almost no warning. The only survivors on the transports were the ones lucky enough to be on deck and in the bridge.

Off the coast, an hour later: 10 more F-89s came along, this time flying as high as possible, dropping another load of bombs. They got away. Well, except for two of them, whose pilots are now in the receptive hands of the Egyptians. As for the bombs, those knocked the stern off the previously damaged vessel and blew the bridge and foward superstructure off a transport. I'm going to go with 80% survivors for both ships.

During the day: 35 aircraft of varying classes went after the Hyperfalcon bases, and carried on all day. Wreckage on the ground says there were at least 13 MIG-60s, 10 F-29s and maybe four F-89s, although it looks like two of them may have collided so it's hard to tell. For the Egyptians and PCU, the airbase is currently a very messy crater and the Hyperfalcons are a write off, along with a squadron of MAF-1s. There's also some SAM batteries in need of resupply.

The survivors of the transport fleet were landed and placed under the authority of local PCU commanders. Control over the stealth fighter-bombers was also provided.
The rest of the marines landed in Baja via ekranoplan, and promptly launched an assault in concert with the PCU. Contrary to popular opinion, however, it seems the much vaunted War Chariots have more in common with self propelled artillery than tanks. The Supers proved useless due to WC active protection, but the Macros managed to score hits on a number of tanks. Of them, several became mobility-kills and the rest just kept on shooting thanks to their reactive plating.

All-told, it's pretty much a bloody stalemate. ~45% of the PCU tanks are pretty much useless now, along with ~80% of the Super War Chariots. 15% of the Macros are in pieces, 450 infantry troops are dead and in hospitals, with similar numbers in the WC. Part of this is thanks to ~50 UAVs of Alaskan manufacture which flew about bombing ground troops and playing Top Gun against PCU fighter pilots. 30 of them are in pieces as well (the UAVs, not the fighter pilots).

PCU border: Uzbek Valkyries somehow got smuggled into the WC. More recently, they went off on a suicide Wild-Weasel run, flying over every border SAM site they could find. 35 of them were shot out of the sky despite their jamming capabilities, while strafing various important structures. The predictable path they followed, however, left the surviving 25 easy meat for much faster and much better armed MAF-2s. 29 of the pilots ejected, the rest, they also ejected, but rather than ejectING, they WERE ejected. And punctured. And/or burned.
Really, I don't know what their commanders were thinking, there's no way any aircraft can pull a stunt like that and get away with it.


Mexico:

Brazilian reinforcements were sent up, with supporting elements killed by the PCU being replaced as well. Defenses were set up, but since the PCU's busy playing fortress, they didn't get any visitors.

At Mazatlan: two divisions of infantry and armoured vehicles surrounded the city and attempted an assault. Losses were heavy, with the tank units in particular suffering upwards of 30% casualties. The infantry got off lighter, but by no means lightly: they appear to have been decimated. The newly established field hospital far in the rear is probably going to come in handy, if any of the injured can get there before bleeding to death.

More defenses have been established around the beachhead.

The Brazilian Army Group West advanced to assist in Mazatlan, bringing in air support. Due to the built up nature of the environment, however, the squadron of A-10s they took with them were ineffectual, being unable to assist without killing off unacceptable numbers of civilians.

Numerous squadrons of fighter aircraft overflew the assault on the PCU lines. Oh, right, haven't got there yet. Righto:

5:45: cruise missile bombardment aimed at PCU SAMs. Semi-effective; a number of SAM sites were knocked out.

6: a squadron of Blackfishes flew over the PCU border at high speed, acting much like bombers. When Union fighters moved in to quiet them, they were set apon by two more squadrons. The less stealthy fighters were quickly downed, but the Doves refused to go peacefully and the whole thing degenerated into a dogfight. In the end the Brazilians "won", but not without misplacing a squadron of their considerably more costly aircraft. Ground fire downed a number of the survivors as they limped home, with all the ejected pilots falling into the hands of the PCU.

6:30: three squadrons of Su-51s followed five of F-16s over the border. The usual suspects chased after them, with mobile AA units behind the lines wreaking merry havoc amongst the F-16s. The F-16s were quickly wiped out, with the Su-51s proving somewhat more difficult to get rid of. This time, the PCU "won": 1.5 squadrons of Su-51s made a "tactical withdrawl", 1 squadron was scattered over the landscape, and three Su-51s were forced down over Union territory.

While they were doing that, though, a flight of B-52s escorted by a handful of Su-51s tried to carpet bomb the previously attacked SAMs; it worked, but barely. Three bombers were sent to the great scrap pile in the sky, with a similar toll being exacted on the SAMs below; the PCU is more or less without active SAM coverage over most of the Brazilian front.

7: snipers fired on anything that moved. They were quickly killed by massed machinegun fire.

8: Brazilians start a large artillery barrage in the north. Counter battery fire is moderate; three howitzer batteries were rendered combat-ineffective, with another two rocket artillery batteries falling apart in a similar fashion. Brazilian troops begin to advance under air cover provided by what limited aircraft remain fueled up and armed.

8:05: Three armoured divisions supported by two of infantry shove south with one or two Su-51s for air cover and a handful of F-33s acting as ground support.

8:15: another flight of B-52s with an escort of four or five Su-51s has another go at the PCU ground troops. Damage done is moderate, damage taken is stunning: PCU aircraft, scrambled in response to the renewed assault, overwhelm the escorts and blew the bombers apart.
On the ground, all the usual consequences for attacking an entrenched opponent apply: heavy casualties, lots of broken tanks, and infantry who tell you to go expletive yourself when you suggest that they move out from cover.

9:00: reinforcements arrive, expecting the fight to be long over.

9:04: reinforcements join their comrades in cover, firing off the occasional wild shot.

9:15: PCU troops stop shooting.

9:16: PCU troops start shooting again.

9:18: CAP arrives, does some strafing. Brazilian troops return the Union's party favours.

9:30: CAP runs out of fuel and goes away. Union goes back to shooting.

And so on and so forth. You get the idea. 30% casualties for the PCU, 50% casualties for Brazil.

Meanwhile: WC Blackfishes swam about the skies all day looking for something interesting to blow up.
Their tally stands at 3 artillery spotters, 1 light transport plane, two medium transport planes and -a- -p-a-r-t-r-i-d-g-e- -i-n- -a- -p-e-a-r- -t-r-e-e- half a dozen PCU MAF-1s.

(Brikkr: a lot of your airforce numbers remind me of Cliffe. There's no way I can see Brazil affording anywhere near the number of advanced aircraft you claim to field.)


Off the coast, the PCU battlegroup continues their skirmish with their Brazilian counterparts. Despite their best efforts, neither side managed to deliver truly crippling damage to their opponents.
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| March 7, 2011, 4:37 am
Hmm...
1- Since when did Missile jamming stop working?
2- so All the Valkyries I sent to the WC are dead?
3- did they do any damage to their intended ground targets?

Please tell me where I went wrong, so I don't make the same mistakes in the future.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:04 am
One other thing: How regularly are combat orders made? Every day, or every other day?
Ok, make that two other things: how many, if any, civs were killed from the attacks on my land? Yeah you know what's coming Nick...
Make this three: which nation sent the Arketers? PCU or China?

Anyway, news in Uberastan:
- increased security: police and security guards nation wide are ordered to be more on the alert for possible IEDs. A message was giving to the civilians of Uberstan advising them to be on the alert for the same bombs that destroyed several of our buildings.

- we have temporarily closed all international flights (excluding Uzbek military flights) to Uzbek. Checkpoints are being enforced all along the eastern border.

- curfews continue. Higher overall military alertness.

- border police and military personnel are going to be equipped with long range infrared range finder binoculars.

Btw, you give an engaging CR, Areetsa. You seem to have got the hang of it already.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:02 am
well, I have some extra equipment so... I send Danny 15 helis 3 MMDSs and 3 Armored transports. And I will give you some DH-11s when I'm finished.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:55 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
One other thing: How regularly are combat orders made? Every day, or every other day?
Ok, make that two other things: how many, if any, civs were killed from the attacks on my land? Yeah you know what's coming Nick...
Make this three: which nation sent the Arketers? PCU or China?

Btw, you give an engaging CR, Areetsa. You seem to have got the hang of it already.

Oh, every three days I think. Just 'till I get the bugs in my system ironed out.

I'd say maybe ten or fifteen. Night in semi-peacetime, in my book, = only people in factories and so forth are cleaners and workaholics. He mentioned going after production facilities.
So, I think the toll would be 15 misc. workers, maybe eight or ten security guards, 30 cops, 5 border guards and two fighter jet pilots who don't really count because they ejected.

Of the "dead", I'd say maybe a third of the cops are just really badly injured and add another 10 workers and security guards for the ones who got hit by shrapnel/bludgeons.

So yeah, not very many. Noticeable, but hardly "IED in the marketplace" noticeable.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Hmm...
1- Since when did Missile jamming stop working?
2- so All the Valkyries I sent to the WC are dead?
3- did they do any damage to their intended ground targets?

Please tell me where I went wrong, so I don't make the same mistakes in the future.

1: it works, but it doesn't work well enough for you to get away with running the gauntlet along a SAM-infested border.
2: pretty much. Probably 3 or 4 that are 'lost, but we can fix 'em' rather than 'lost all over the landscape'.

Although given where they probably went down, that likely isn't much consolation.
As for the pilots, ~half of 'em got out, and I'm going to assume that they either landed on the WC side of the border or quickly hoofed it over there. The locals'd probably try to grab them so, 17 in WC territory, 12 in PCU confinement?
3: forgot to mention that. Yes, I'd say you've punctured two or three factories, blown up or otherwise rendered non-functional a dozen or so fuel and ammo depots, a radar station and rendered an airbase other than in peak condition by blowing up its control tower and putting craters in its runway. Of the factories, I'm guesing they'll take plus or minus 6 hours to fix. Each. I wouldn't expect them to be too valuable, though, being that close to the border.

Oh, and the aircraft: I don't actually know. Nick says they're his, but he didn't say where he got them from. You might want to talk with Awe about that. Or Cliffe. Or Evan.

Now, it's 1:46 and I have stuffs to do tomorrow. Starting with the CR for the main lines along the Cascades (or the great big PCU mountain range, either or).
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| March 7, 2011, 7:41 am
There seems to be a problem with the receiving of my plans every CM.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:09 am
I'm very displeased at the amount of craft Brazil can field.

I am also disappointed that Blackfish and Su-51s are running rampant through the skies with thier owner going "Not my problem."
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| March 7, 2011, 9:01 am
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Once again, the UNC Air Force is disturbed by reports of entire squadrons of F-27 (Su-51s) being blown out of the skies in a single night, we are indeeded very concerned. Domestic fighter development will take a priority immediately after completing other programs that are already at 95% development.

In case the WC does not check the Trading Boards, we are confirming the sale of 100 C5A tanks to them for exchange of human resources.

More updates to come.

Also, very nice CR.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:20 am
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Quoting Areetsa C

Nice work.

I only have one question. If all the Egyptian troops flew into the PCU via 747 and the like, why would there be any "troop ships"?

(The only Egyptian ships should have been carrying equipment, not troops.)
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| March 7, 2011, 3:58 pm
@ Areetsa
Ok, thanks.

Very nice CR too. You know I'm being genuine because I lost 60 Valks and got smashed up by super bombers, but I still think it was a good CR...

-.-
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| March 7, 2011, 4:01 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
@ Areetsa
Ok, thanks.

Very nice CR too. You know I'm being genuine because I lost 60 Valks and got smashed up by super bombers, but I still think it was a good CR...

-.-

I realize you just took a huge hit, would you like any vehicles?
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| March 7, 2011, 4:05 pm
Quoting Matt P
The Indo-Union is a territory of China, but it would be good for us if you created an Australian embassy. Maybe there is an island in the Indian Ocean where we can share a joint naval base.

Yes, an island is just what I need for project alpha. Find an island, and we can begin building.
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| March 7, 2011, 4:08 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

With the slight setbacks and losses noted, it is a time of celebration for the WCHC and the Western Confederation people! About 8,000 Egyptians and dozens/hundreds of their machines litter the bottom of the Pacific. The PCU fleet has taken a severe beating as well. The suspicions of the Egyptian's fighting vehicles are confirmed: inferior to ineffective on all accounts. On the human impact of the attacks last night, no celebrations were held by the pilots, each of them knew they had a butcher's bill on their hands. A couple of them wept until the morning over the inglorious slaughter.

We congratulate the PCU on making a big mess in the Gulf. That impacted our strategic oil production all of 2-4% and made oil go up about $5 a barrel, practically doubling the previous price. Now we've got a mess to clean up...


Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm very displeased at the amount of craft Brazil can field.

I'm starting to wonder just how few aircraft you have left... I do think you're making up some numbers or something somehow.
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| March 7, 2011, 4:10 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


Given your rather urgent predicament, I will send you some not yet delivered tanks originally headed to Sweden. Honestly, I do not know HOW I will get them to you, as you are landlocked (for the most part) and surrounded by hostile/ neutral nations, and I lack strategic airlift capability. I'll check the map and figure something out, and will edit this post once I have come up with a solution.

EDIT: I will be sending them in a lump sum via cargo ship to Orange, Texas. I'll be sending a few escorts too, just in case any of your enemies decide to get tricky. Be prepared to receive them within 3 days.

Oh, and the part about weeping at the Egyptian slaughter XD that made my day.
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| March 7, 2011, 4:26 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Areetsa C

Nice work.

I only have one question. If all the Egyptian troops flew into the PCU via 747 and the like, why would there be any "troop ships"?

(The only Egyptian ships should have been carrying equipment, not troops.)

Yes, Egypt doesn't have transport vessels... we have ekranoplans and nothing else, really. And ekranoplans are really fast and maneuverable, and thus, hard to hit. I'm thinking a re-count might possibly be in order. Seeing how I don't HAVE troop ships.
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| March 7, 2011, 4:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm starting to wonder just how few aircraft you have left... I do think you're making up some numbers or something somehow.

Aye, I swear he's lost at least 100 Doves these past 4 weeks, an we've destroyed several of his factories so...

Btw, check you Flickr soonish, I'm just writing you a message.
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| March 7, 2011, 4:55 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
And ekranoplans are really fast and maneuverable, and thus, hard to hit.

I'm sorry, they're what? How the heck does that thing reach Mach 2?! I honestly think it would fly apart at those speeds.

They look like a small commuter jet, too, which can only carry about 75 men. Are you saying you have almost 300 of them? IIRC, you were trying to land some 20,000 men in the PCU? I don't see that...

Oh, how on earth did you build so many of them in so short a time?
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| March 7, 2011, 5:00 pm
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CR for March 7, 2037

Crimea:

More missiles were fired back and forth.

For the Russians, at least 26 pieces of armor (tanks, IFVs, APCs, etc.) and 84 men KIA and 43 wounded. (Men both in said vehicles and on ground). (casualties for both CRs worth of missiles)

For the Byzantines: missile strikes knocked out 21 pieces of armor and 108 men (68 KIA, 40 wounded).

3 Russian surveillance UAVs were blown out of the sky over the peninsula by SAMs this week.


Korea:

After weeks of defending and being driven back by superior equipment, The Korean defense gforce, largely reduced to infantry after a month of heavy fighting robbed them of their equipment, finally broke down and gave in to Japanese air assaults and constant land barrage. They surrendered.

Japanese commanders drove down the Korean peninsula on an improvised road. Korean infrastructure has been reduced to waste and civilians are now living only on support from the Japanese, as the only remaining source of food is brought in by Japanese ships.

Japanese troops shook hands with Chinese border guards when the final breakthrough reached the Chinese border. Only three pockets of resistance remain where stubborn Korea units refuse to surrender.

The main fear among the Japanese is now a fear that ex-Korean soldiers and civilians will try and take up arms against the occupying force, leading to an insurgent situation. To counter this, Japanese forces have been moving throughout Korea, seizing weapons caches to prevent anything from getting to future rebels. Also, ports and airports in Korea remain on lock down so as to prevent foreign aid to future rebels.

The weeks spent conquering north Korea were also spent rebuilding what was destroyed in the south. Highways and railways are being rebuilt, although that may take months. Cities in Towns in the former South Korea suffered about 35% destruction from bomb and artillery attacks. This kid of damage will take months and years to repair, returning South Korea to its former Glory.

After sustaining even heavier fighting in the north, destruction there is at roughly 55%, but since North Korea had no former glory, restoring it won't be hard.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm starting to wonder just how few aircraft you have left... I do think you're making up some numbers or something somehow.

I've been building them since 2014. Just because we don't have the money to field them all doesn't mean we don't have them stashed.

Also, that was far from a beating for my Navy. Who would be as foolish to send their Navy to protect something that has its own protection? We lost probably like four ships out of our estimated 38 or so.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:16 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I've been building them since 2014. Just because we don't have the money to field them all doesn't mean we don't have them stashed.

Oh, yeah, and I've been building secret underground bunkers since 2010 so by now I have an uber underground nuke-proof city where I keep all 3,000,000 of my factories.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:21 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Oh, yeah, and I've been building secret underground bunkers since 2010 so by now I have an uber underground nuke-proof city where I keep all 3,000,000 of my factories.

Your country didn't even exist until about two weeks ago.

The PCU has been around since RA-CAS-UEN, and that was when they established their history dating back until 2012-ish.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:25 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Once again, the UNC Air Force is disturbed by reports of entire squadrons of F-27 (Su-51s) being blown out of the skies in a single night, we are indeeded very concerned.

I'm going on the assumption here that Su-51s are fairly comparable to MAF-2s, and that no matter how good your aircraft, flying them over foreign territory with the express purpose of attracting the enemy is going to get them shot down wholesale.

Quoting Thomas N
I only have one question. If all the Egyptian troops flew into the PCU via 747 and the like, why would there be any "troop ships"?

(The only Egyptian ships should have been carrying equipment, not troops.)

Ultra said: attacking troopships.
Cliffe said: landing troops.
Since Ultra was of the opinion that Cliffe's using troopships, and Cliffe didn't mention anything about WIGE's, I assumed he was using fairly generic transport vessels.

I've done a lot of assuming so far. Including the fairly reasonable assumption that Nick's got fighters patrolling over his territory, and Ultra's doing much the same.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yes, Egypt doesn't have transport vessels... we have ekranoplans and nothing else, really. And ekranoplans are really fast and maneuverable, and thus, hard to hit. I'm thinking a re-count might possibly be in order. Seeing how I don't HAVE troop ships.

Said re-count would by no means be in your favour, you know. It's a lot harder to kill everyone on a transport ship than it is to off everyone flying about in a plywood aircraft that can't go above ~500 metres.

Quoting Will G.
There seems to be a problem with the receiving of my plans every CM.

I've got them, but I haven't gotten to the bits about the mountains yet.

Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm very displeased at the amount of craft Brazil can field.

I am also disappointed that Blackfish and Su-51s are running rampant through the skies with thier owner going "Not my problem."

Yes, I know. He measures his 6th generation fighters by squadrons. I reduced his numbers to maybe 35%, but it still feels a bit off.

Oh yes, and the Blackfish: I was going to add in some casualty figures for wandering about over foreign territory.

5 or 6 destroyed, 3 or so limped home.

Numbers will probably go up a bit once I get to the parts about the mountain battle.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I've been building them since 2014. Just because we don't have the money to field them all doesn't mean we don't have them stashed.

Right, so have I. Ergo, I must have heaps of them stashed someplace too. Now, if I could only remember where on earth I put them...

Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, that was far from a beating for my Navy. Who would be as foolish to send their Navy to protect something that has its own protection? We lost probably like four ships out of our estimated 38 or so.

I'll take that.

Quoting Thomas N
The PCU has been around since RA-CAS-UEN, and that was when they established their history dating back until 2012-ish.

What, so we are now transferring our power from past groups all of a sudden? Gee, I wish I had come here as India, then I'd own everyone with everything I'd built in the last group.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:31 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C


I laugh at Brikkr's plan. I wasn't complaining with the Combat Modding in any way, just making some observations.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:33 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Your country didn't even exist until about two weeks ago.

The PCU has been around since RA-CAS-UEN, and that was when they established their history dating back until 2012-ish.

It's silly how some players get a special preference head start.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:34 pm
Hey! I just got a Flickr so if you could give me a link to your homepage, It would be much appreciated! heres my link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mango_train/
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| March 7, 2011, 5:36 pm
The Wolf's Den has been temporarily vacated for the remainder of the next 72 hours. That is all.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:37 pm
since my "atlantic net" idea was trashed, I will do something more practical, I will begin making a string of anti tank/aircraft bunkers along my southern border. Something about Henry makes me nervous. military checkpoints will be made along every road leading into the country also.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
It's silly how some players get a special preference head start.

It's obviously not because they've actually been around longer.

/sarcasm


@Areetsa

I already said his planes filled with soldiers landed at PCU airports. The only things still en route when you took over the job as CM were the cargo ships of equipment.

Ergo, Egypt has all its infantry in the PCU already.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:44 pm
Quoting luke peterson
well, I have some extra equipment so... I send Danny 15 helis 3 MMDSs and 3 Armored transports. And I will give you some DH-11s when I'm finished.

Thanks, Ill happily take any support you can offer, and do the same for you if you get attacked.

Ultra, did you get my FM? It's just that I'm writing my CO, so....
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| March 7, 2011, 5:47 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I laugh at Brikkr's plan. I wasn't complaining with the Combat Modding in any way, just making some observations.

You wouldn't be the one laughing if you were Nick or me.

Anyway, I'm going to change my numbers about now.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:52 pm
Quoting Thomas N
It's obviously not because they've actually been around longer.

/sarcasm


@Areetsa

I already said his planes filled with soldiers landed at PCU airports. The only things still en route when you took over the job as CM were the cargo ships of equipment.

Ergo, Egypt has all its infantry in the PCU already.

I thought one of the biggest rules in this group is that you only start off with the military you have in the present day.

Oh but HE'S been around longer, so that's all right..
/sarcasm.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:52 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I thought one of the biggest rules in this group is that you only start off with the military you have in the present day.

Oh but HE'S been around longer, so that's all right..
/sarcasm.


I've got a little something for you. It's called duct tape.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:55 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I thought one of the biggest rules in this group is that you only start off with the military you have in the present day.

Oh but HE'S been around longer, so that's all right..
/sarcasm.

You don't get it at all.

His whole country has been around since the beginning of this whole theme.

He has had both his MOCs and Awe's MOCs from since before this group started as well.

So he can make a history for himself, because his nation and his vehicles have existed since before this group did.


Ultra could have done the same thing had he stuck with India, and I could do the same thing, but my MOCs from the original Baltic Union weren't all that good.
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| March 7, 2011, 5:57 pm
Quoting Thomas N
I already said his planes filled with soldiers landed at PCU airports. The only things still en route when you took over the job as CM were the cargo ships of equipment.

Ergo, Egypt has all its infantry in the PCU already.

Ah. Then said infantry are missing 25 cargo ships worth of equipment.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:00 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Ah. Then said infantry are missing 25 cargo ships worth of equipment.

There ya go.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:01 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You don't get it at all.

His whole country has been around since the beginning of this whole theme.

He has had both his MOCs and Awe's MOCs from since before this group started as well.

So he can make a history for himself, because his nation and his vehicles have existed since before this group did.


Ultra could have done the same thing had he stuck with India, and I could do the same thing, but my MOCs from the original Baltic Union weren't all that good.

Very well. The Confederation was founded when the PCU was founded. (I never stated when it was) Therefore I now have hundreds of aircraft, over 1,000 tanks etc.

My mocs have been around since the RA-CAS-UEN.

/Sarcasm

Quoting Areetsa about the mountains stuff

I expect my plans that did not take place in the mountains will also be added in tonight?
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| March 7, 2011, 6:03 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
You don't get it at all.

His whole country has been around since the beginning of this whole theme.

He has had both his MOCs and Awe's MOCs from since before this group started as well.

So he can make a history for himself, because his nation and his vehicles have existed since before this group did.

Well, the WC has existed since the PCU has. Do I get to start making up lots of numbers?

I've had my MOCs since as far back as last year.

What does that get me?
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| March 7, 2011, 6:03 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, the WC has existed since the PCU has. Do I get to start making up lots of numbers?

I've had my MOCs since as far back as last year.

What does that get me?

Your country (And Will's for that matter) didn't exist before this group did, like the PCU. So no.


Here's how this work.

RA-CAS-UEN:

Nick was part of the PCU.

Gober was Texas.

21st Cen:

Nick was the PCU.

Gober was Iran, then Texas.

Ultra was India.

DL:

Nick is PCU.

Gober is EC. (Not Texas)

Ultra is WC.


Nick gets the history because he is about the only country in this group that has continuity.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:05 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Your country (And Will's for that matter) didn't exist before this group did, like the PCU. So no.

That doesn't really matter. It's like saying we can't re-write our own storyline for our nation and Nick is special. Why can't he say the PCU was founded now and change the story up. I don't care if Awe did it, what makes him special?
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| March 7, 2011, 6:11 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Your country (And Will's for that matter) didn't exist before this group did, like the PCU. So no.

So the PCU is building strength every time the groups change? You said that, said you didn't mean that, and then you said it again. The PCU and WC have existed as long as each other.

As explicitly stated in my first very few posts, it existed as soon as the old US went to pot (I highly doubt the PCU could say the same). So, while I might not have had my MOCs, I could just say that the other aircraft production continued with regularity, no?

So, when I switched everything to my MOCs, I could have many more of my current aircraft, no? Hehehe, I love this stuff!
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| March 7, 2011, 6:11 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So the PCU is building strength every time the groups change? You said that, said you didn't mean that, and then you said it again. The PCU and WC have existed as long as each other.

As explicitly stated in my first very few posts, it existed as soon as the old US went to pot (I highly doubt the PCU could say the same). So, while I might not have had my MOCs, I could just say that the other aircraft production continued with regularity, no?

So, when I switched everything to my MOCs, I could have many more of my current aircraft, no? Hehehe, I love this stuff!

The WC and EC stated with the group.

The PCU started before the group.

Deal. He's been around longer than you have because he's stuck with his country longer. You can't just start up a new country and immediately say you have a history. Nick had a history already.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:18 pm
My storyline was supposed to be that the Indo-Union and Uberstan were allies/trading partner type thingies, and that the Valkyries were a joint project between the IU and Uberstan. So I reckon I started off with around 100, plus other Indo Union stuff like the T32 Amphibious tank and the Flak Wagons.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Uhhh, Tom? I only was going for South Korea when I invaded the peninsula. Oh well.

When you don't send me new FMs. I just assume that things continue as they had been going previously.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:25 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
The WC and EC stated with the group.

The PCU started before the group.

Deal. He's been around longer than you have because he's stuck with his country longer. You can't just start up a new country and immediately say you have a history. Nick had a history already.

So there is a definite and unequal footing, preferring the PCU. How do you reconcile that logically or in fairness to the rest of us? I do not recall reading that in the rules, or FAQs, or anyplace until all of a sudden no one wants the PCU to go away for some weird reason. Otherwise, you guessed it, I would have started out as India.

Or, what happens when we go ahead with our own story lines that give us the outrageous numbers? And, more importantly, who's going to stop us?
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| March 7, 2011, 6:25 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So there is a definite and unequal footing, preferring the PCU. How do you reconcile that logically or in fairness to the rest of us? I do not recall reading that in the rules, or FAQs, or anyplace until all of a sudden no one wants the PCU to go away for some weird reason. Otherwise, you guessed it, I would have started out as India.

Or, what happens when we go ahead with our own story lines that give us the outrageous numbers? And, more importantly, who's going to stop us?

Nick gets a history along with his nation because he has put more effort into this particular nation. Working with it for three whole groups, he gets the advantage because he kept up the continuity.

You on the other hand started the WC in this group, and have only put effort into it during the course of this group.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:29 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Assuming how good and advanced the PCU claims their fighters are, he cannot sustain the numbers that he saying he is. The entirety of the US can only afford less than 150 F-22s. He, holding very poor parts of the US, that's not happening.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:31 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Nick gets a history along with his nation because he has put more effort into this particular nation. Working with it for three whole groups, he gets the advantage because he kept up the continuity.

You on the other hand started the WC in this group, and have only put effort into it during the course of this group.

So? New group, new nations, new allies, more realism. Those were the selling points of this group. I'm beginning to see that no one is willing to uphold any of them.

The PCU and WC have existed as long as each other, along with the EC. We therefore have an equal right to rewrite our histories. Show me in the rules where it says any different.

Whatever happened to the thing where you only got to build your on MOCs after all? Nick's been building Awe's stuff like it was his own, now that I think of it. A privilege summarily denied the rest of us.

Use the same rules for everyone, or use them for no one.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:33 pm
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Quoting henry wang
very poor parts of the US

Especially California, which on its own qualifies to be the World's 8th largest economy.

Not to mention being the largest economy in the U.S.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:34 pm
No wonder Awe and Nick were so peeved to see Tom go (as combat mod). I doubt Areetsa would stand for this BS.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:35 pm
almost forgot. I also set up an Uberstan embassy in angola. And now that things are starting to wind down in madagascar, I will re open the factory on the southern tip of the island. small groups of rebels are still appearing, but not enough to cause a problem. I also send another ten helis to Uberstan. I will be posting project alpha and the DH-11 tomorrow. Speaking of project alpha, you'd be surprised how much a dedicated workforce can get done in a week and a half.

@ Australia, in order to properly test project alpha, we need to secure an island. so get back to me on that ASAP I got 40+ helis waiting for something to do.

@ everyone. Please add me as a Flickr contact.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mango_train/
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| March 7, 2011, 6:36 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting henry wang
very poor parts of the US

Especially California, which on its own qualifies to be the World's 8th largest economy.

Not to mention being the largest economy in the U.S.

Yeah but their in debt, debt, oh and did I say debt. Not to mention a majority of business will be gone because without a untied US who's going to invest in all those technology companies.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:37 pm
Okay, so I got some numbers from Nick, and they're nowhere near as outrageous as you'd think from all this fuss. They are, I'll admit, a little on the high side, but they're not quite as excessive as saying you've got 20+ squadrons of Su-51s and Blackfish flying around.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:42 pm
Quoting luke peterson
almost forgot. I also set up an Uberstan embassy in angola. And now that things are starting to wind down in madagascar, I will re open the factory on the southern tip of the island. small groups of rebels are still appearing, but not enough to cause a problem. I also send another ten helis to Uberstan. I will be posting project alpha and the DH-11 tomorrow. Speaking of project alpha, you'd be surprised how much a dedicated workforce can get done in a week and a half.

@ Australia, in order to properly test project alpha, we need to secure an island. so get back to me on that ASAP I got 40+ helis waiting for something to do.

@ everyone. Please add me as a Flickr contact.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mango_train/

Wow, I must have about 60 of your helis by now... Thanks!
Btw I added you, I'm Banana Forge.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So? New group, new nations, new allies, more realism. Those were the selling points of this group. I'm beginning to see that no one is willing to uphold any of them.

The PCU and WC have existed as long as each other, along with the EC. We therefore have an equal right to rewrite our histories. Show me in the rules where it says any different.


But Nick kept his own nation. He didn't want a new nation, so he got to keep the same one that he has been improving and putting effort into for years. He puts more effort into his nation, so he gets greater reward.

You assume that you deserve to have an equal playing field, but there is no group rule that says everyone has to abide by equality. The fact of the matter is, the more effort you put into something, the greater the reward. And from what I know, Nick has put far more effort into the PCU than you have into the WC or Gober has into the EC. So he deserves more reward.

Quoting Ultra
Whatever happened to the thing where you only got to build your on MOCs after all? Nick's been building Awe's stuff like it was his own, now that I think of it. A privilege summarily denied the rest of us.


Awe gave him the rights to all his PCU/Chinese vehicles.

Quoting Ultra
Use the same rules for everyone, or use them for no one.


What rules?

I don't se anything like that here: http://www.mocpages.com/group_rules.php?id=14411


Quoting henry wang
Yeah but their in debt, debt, oh and did I say debt. Not to mention a majority of business will be gone because without a untied US who's going to invest in all those technology companies.

You're right. THEY'RE in debt.

As is the entire U.S. and the rest of the western world.

And everyone invests in those technology companies, because that's where they are. It's not like there's an equivalent company to MAC or other large California tech companies anywhere else in the world.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:43 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Your country didn't even exist until about two weeks ago.

The PCU has been around since RA-CAS-UEN, and that was when they established their history dating back until 2012-ish.


Exactly. I started and established the PCU long before Danny or Ultra here even knew these groups had ever existed, Nick was a part of that and eventually I handed it over to Nick full time.

Quoting Danny Morgan
I thought one of the biggest rules in this group is that you only start off with the military you have in the present day.

Oh but HE'S been around longer, so that's all right..
/sarcasm.


Yes, it is. He's been running the same faction for three groups now. The rest of us need to start from the ground up, even me. Why should Nick get the same treatment when he's got a different case than the rest of us?

Quoting Areetsa C
three Arketer superbombers and their escorts came along and bombed everything


That explains why my three crews ended up passed out drunk in Kazakhstan, if anyone recalls that post.

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| March 7, 2011, 6:48 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting henry wang
very poor parts of the US

Especially California, which on its own qualifies to be the World's 8th largest economy.

Not to mention being the largest economy in the U.S.

When did California get themselves out of debt again?
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| March 7, 2011, 6:50 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Whatever happened to the thing where you only got to build your on MOCs after all? Nick's been building Awe's stuff like it was his own, now that I think of it. A privilege summarily denied the rest of us.


The part where I have an agreement with Nick that he can use what I've built for the PCU, seeing as how I willingly handed over the whole faction to him.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:50 pm
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Quoting Will G.
When did California get themselves out of debt again?

About the same time Texas' infrastructure collapsed because they're afraid of spending money (and going into debt) to solve their problems.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:51 pm
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Wow, talk about stacking the deck. Forget it, I'm not claiming any moral reasons for attacking the PCU anymore, I'm just going to conquer them for the novelty of it!

Quoting Thomas N

Awe gave him the rights to all his PCU/Chinese vehicles.


Now, that's dashed convenient for them. Well, I couldn't care less, if one is allowed, all are. Statistics thread, here I come!
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| March 7, 2011, 6:54 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Wow, I must have about 60 of your helis by now... Thanks!
Btw I added you, I'm Banana Forge.

65 helis
8 MMDSs
and 8 armored transports.

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| March 7, 2011, 6:54 pm
@ Awe
Wait, so those were your Arketer bombers? If they were yours, you can tell me if you'd rather reap my swift vengeance than let Nick take the fall.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:55 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Now, that's dashed convenient for them. Well, I couldn't care less, if one is allowed, all are. Statistics thread, here I come!


Are you proposing to claim you have access to the vehicles I have built?

Quoting Danny Morgan
@ Awe
Wait, so those were your Arketer bombers? If they were yours, you can tell me if you'd rather reap my swift vengeance than let Nick take the fall.


Obviously they were mine, but Nick used them without asking, and by the time he told me, it was too late to change the orders. All I could do was make up a story how three of my crews ended up incapacitated which allowed Nick to gain access to those bombers. I was displeased, but you can't change what's happened.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:55 pm
Quoting Thomas N
And everyone invests in those technology companies, because that's where they are. It's not like there's an equivalent company to MAC or other large California tech companies anywhere else in the world.

Yes, but who will actually do it without a market, without locations to build their product, and without the companies' many retail and headquarter locations now being separated. Not to mention that a large market has been completely split.

And that many other emerging tech companies will take the market because of the lack of stability in the US.
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| March 7, 2011, 6:57 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Now, that's dashed convenient for them. Well, I couldn't care less, if one is allowed, all are. Statistics thread, here I come!

Hehehe

Or we (you, me, Alaska, Will, and Brikkr) could all give each other production rights for each others creations, then we could all build anything we wanted of each others creations and become and uber powerful alliance?
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| March 7, 2011, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Are you proposing to claim you have access to the vehicles I have built?

Not at all! But I must have been producing aircraft and tanks from '13 to '26, since I existed since then, so I'll just do a little number adjustment. Nothing huge.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Hehehe

Or we (you, me, Alaska, Will, and Brikkr) could all give each other production rights for each others creations, then we could all build anything we wanted of each others creations and become and uber powerful alliance?

I like it! Let's go for it!

Then, when someone joins up in India, I'll give them everything I have and say they started way back when too so they'll be uber-awsum too!
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| March 7, 2011, 6:59 pm
Quoting luke peterson
65 helis
8 MMDSs
and 8 armored transports.

No, I'd have at least 35 MMDSs, remember I can produce those on my own because you gave me production rights for funding the project for you?

@Awe
So Nick is responsible, you say?
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| March 7, 2011, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Are you proposing to claim you have access to the vehicles I have built?

Not at all! But I must have been producing aircraft and tanks from '13 to '26, since I existed since then, so I'll just do a little number adjustment. Nothing huge.

There you go, blundering off on your little path of self-superiority persuasion.

The reality is this, and it's just as simple:

effort = reward.

Nick:

Greater effort = greater reward.

You and Gober:

Less effort = less reward.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I like it! Let's go for it!

Then, when someone joins up in India, I'll give them everything I have and say they started way back when too so they'll be uber-awsum too!

Great!

Who needs to bother building new creations, when we can all share each others creations and have everything?!

I will promptly start construction those fancy Air Cleaner tanks of yours, feel free to get started on the Valkyries and any other of my D&L creations you feel like making.

FOR THE UBER-EMPIRE!
HOO RAH!
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| March 7, 2011, 7:06 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Not at all! But I must have been producing aircraft and tanks from '13 to '26, since I existed since then, so I'll just do a little number adjustment. Nothing huge.

...

I like it! Let's go for it!

Then, when someone joins up in India, I'll give them everything I have and say they started way back when too so they'll be uber-awsum too!


But you do not have the effort put through three groups to warrant such a reward... Not even I do. I started everything from the ground up, despite established my history beginning in 2016. Come now, Ultra, be a big boy like the rest of us. Well, not the rest of us, Danny needs to be a big boy too.

As for someone starting with India getting all of your stuff, that's more than fair.

@Danny: Yes, Nick used my things to attack you. Let your slaughter of innocents begin, eh?
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| March 7, 2011, 7:07 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
No, I'd have at least 35 MMDSs, remember I can produce those on my own because you gave me production rights for funding the project for you?

@Awe
So Nick is responsible, you say?

Yes, I was just saying how many I made and gave to you
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| March 7, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
There you go, blundering off on your little path of self-superiority persuasion.
The reality is this, and it's just as simple:
effort = reward.
Nick:
Greater effort = greater reward.
You and Gober:
Less effort = less reward.

Effort in this group (maybe a mathematical proof will help):

Nick's effort = Ultra's effort

Ultra's effort = Will's effort

Somehow though, the math gets fuzzy for me right about here:

Nick's effort (this group) > Ultra's + Will's + everyone else's effort.

Care to explain? It literally doesn't add up.

I just don't see it. I think it's bogus. This group was supposed to start from scratch, period. I don't care what you want to say about "Oh, poor Nick! He's put so much of his life into this!" Tough stuff. We all had to start over, so should he.

I think this is coming to light at a very 'convenient' time for the PCU...
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| March 7, 2011, 7:13 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Yes, I was just saying how many I made and gave to you

Oh right, thanks, so I have... 43 MMDSs.

UBBAAA EMPPYREE FOUR TEH WINGS!
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| March 7, 2011, 7:13 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
No, I'd have at least 35 MMDSs, remember I can produce those on my own because you gave me production rights for funding the project for you?

@Awe
So Nick is responsible, you say?

Yes, I was just saying how many I made and gave to you
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| March 7, 2011, 7:17 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Effort in this group (maybe a mathematical proof will help):

Nick's effort = Ultra's effort

Ultra's effort = Will's effort

Somehow though, the math gets fuzzy for me right about here:

Nick's effort (this group) > Ultra's + Will's + everyone else's effort.

Care to explain? It literally doesn't add up.

I just don't see it. I think it's bogus. This group was supposed to start from scratch, period. I don't care what you want to say about "Oh, poor Nick! He's put so much of his life into this!" Tough stuff. We all had to start over, so should he.

I think this is coming to light at a very 'convenient' time for the PCU...

You didn't have to start over. No one did. We all chose to, an then some of us did so only because everyone else was, all of us except for Nick. I started over, you started over, but Nick didn't.

Nick's effort (from all three groups, Mr. Naive, he's earned it) > Ultra's effort (your country only existed in this group, so you only get this groups effort, as do the rest of us, except for Nick)

Ultra's effort = Gober's effort = everyone else's
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| March 7, 2011, 7:18 pm
Quoting Thomas N
There you go, blundering off on your little path of self-superiority persuasion.

The reality is this, and it's just as simple:

effort = reward.

Nick:

Greater effort = greater reward.

You and Gober:

Less effort = less reward.

I don't see Nick's reward, and I see no effort in saying I've been around longer so I get more, but what you say goes.

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| March 7, 2011, 7:22 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You didn't have to start over. No one did. We all chose to, an then some of us did so only because everyone else was, all of us except for Nick. I started over, you started over, but Nick didn't.

Nick's effort (from all three groups, Mr. Naive, he's earned it) > Ultra's effort (your country only existed in this group, so you only get this groups effort, as do the rest of us, except for Nick)

Ultra's effort = Gober's effort = everyone else's

My effort + Ultra effort + Alaska (maybe) effort + Will (maybe) effort + brikkr (maybe) effort = hand-down Uber vodka empire.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:22 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
You didn't have to start over. No one did. We all chose to, an then some of us did so only because everyone else was, all of us except for Nick. I started over, you started over, but Nick didn't.

Nick's effort (from all three groups, Mr. Naive, he's earned it) > Ultra's effort (your country only existed in this group, so you only get this groups effort)

Ultra's effort = Gober's effort = everyone else's

You know, last time I claimed I existed as long as the PCU and therefore had as much stuff as they did, your only answer was: "You didn't have X number of states when you started, so you can't count them." Why the sudden change?

So, in the next group, the PCU will be able to conquer the world right out of the gate? What if I claimed the PCU next go-around? 10-to-1 I'd catch it from everyone, and I'd have to start from scratch. Therefore, we don't build on it, and we all start from equal footing.

I won't keep going like this, but I will make the same claims as the PCU. There are no rules regarding this subject, so no one can stop me unless they are willing to stop both of us. I won't say anymore on the subject.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:25 pm
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You know things are getting out of hand when the forever alone high school student who trolls people in real life has to try and be the mature one here.

Children: Stop whining and deal with it. Nick kept his nation from two previous groups, you did not, I did not, Tom did not, the rest of us did not. The past is the past, accept that or be consumed by that.

Move on and put your rage to a productive use.

@Brendan's alliance idea: I disagree too, big alliances only make this game more boring as we saw at the end of RA-CAS-UEN.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:29 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
You know things are getting out of hand when the forever alone high school student who trolls people in real life has to try and be the mature one here.

Children: Stop whining and deal with it. Nick kept his nation from two previous groups, you did not, I did not, Tom did not, the rest of us did not. The past is the past, accept that or be consumed by that.

Move on and put your rage to a productive use.

@Brendan's alliance idea: I disagree too, big alliances only make this game more boring as we saw at the end of RA-CAS-UEN.

We're not whining, we're finding solutions. Uber Empire is one of them.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:34 pm
 Group admin 
Administrative consensus on the "history" subject:

Although one is allowed to write a previous history, he shall not be allowed the fruits of ambiguity. More or less, because no one can point at a specific production date in the ICF that x-vehicle was produced in y-quantities in z-period, no one can say they sport reserves of materials not formerly listed. So, no one, including the PCU, will be rewarded or negated for "effort" from other groups. This is a new group and shall be treated as such. Conclusively, if it doesn't add up to contemporary military numbers from sources like, let's say, Wiki, it doesn't exist in stockpiles I'm afraid. Feel free to use former creations, just not former numbers.

The histories are just a fun way to promote your nation and to say you aren't a third-world country, per se. Writing them is a means to outline your geopolitical situation and things of that nature. Sorry, kiddies.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:37 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Although one is allowed to write a previous history, he shall not be allowed the fruits of ambiguity.


So you're just starting over each time?


Quoting Danny Morgan
We're not whining, we're finding solutions. Uber Empire is one of them.


Actually, that's the worst possible thing you can do. It happened in RA-CAS-UEN and eventually the game just ground to a halt because all the neutral/little players were crushed by the uber alliances and in the end, the two big alliances just stood looking at each other in a boring cold war.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:40 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Administrative consensus on the "history" subject:

Although one is allowed to write a previous history, he shall not be allowed the fruits of ambiguity. More or less, because no one can point at a specific production date in the ICF that x-vehicle was produced in y-quantities in z-period, no one can say they sport reserves of materials not formerly listed. So, no one, including the PCU, will be rewarded or negated for "effort" from other groups. This is a new group and shall be treated as such. Conclusively, if it doesn't add up to contemporary military numbers from sources like, let's say, Wiki, it doesn't exist in stockpiles I'm afraid. Feel free to use former creations, just not former numbers.

The histories are just a fun way to promote your nation and to say you aren't a third-world country, per se. Writing them is a means to outline your geopolitical situation and things of that nature. Sorry, kiddies.

YHES YHESS!

You reading this Nick?
Say goodbye to your imaginary super-army.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:43 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So you're just starting over each time?

Unfortunately so. Otherwise, I would have just began as Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Belgium and dominated as the SSW again. The goal of this game is to respond to situations differently than you have before. Diversity is the spice of angst or something like that. . .

Anyhow, I don't have an opinion in the matter. I just got the short straw [due to not playing the Admin role half of the time] and was told to be quiet and post the consensus.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:48 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So you're just starting over each time?


Quoting Danny Morgan
We're not whining, we're finding solutions. Uber Empire is one of them.


Actually, that's the worst possible thing you can do. It happened in RA-CAS-UEN and eventually the game just ground to a halt because all the neutral/little players were crushed by the uber alliances and in the end, the two big alliances just stood looking at each other in a boring cold war.

Well, I guess now that Nick can't have his fake Uber Army, we don't really need an Uber Alliance.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:49 pm
So, what I'm hearing is that you get to say you've got what you have from previous groups just because you stayed with the same country? So you're saying that Matt Hacker and Nick have the things from the last group PLUS the ones from this one because they've stayed with their countries for longer?

Lets follow what Sponty said and forget this history stuff.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:49 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Unfortunately so. Otherwise, I would have just began as Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Belgium and dominated as the SSW again. The goal of this game is to respond to situations differently than you have before. Diversity is the spice of angst or something like that. . .

Anyhow, I don't have an opinion in the matter. I just got the short straw [due to not playing the Admin role half of the time] and was told to be quiet and post the consensus.


Fair enough. That is why I play a different nation each time, for a new experience...

Quoting Danny Morgan

Well, I guess now that Nick can't have his fake Uber Army, we don't really need an Uber Alliance.


He doesn't have an uber army. Your friends are just being defeated because they are. There's no trickery there, and if you think there is, chances are you're going as insane as our friend Hitler.

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| March 7, 2011, 7:49 pm
I hear certain people need things made because of disagreements. Spain is only producing one thing in terms of aircraft. >.>

Also, several units are deploying to China for fast response involving the current war. Not to say we intend to fight, but just incase.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:50 pm
Ok, let's see...

If Nick can't claim his Uber mass-production history, that means he only gets what ge started of with, that means, if the entire US can only make 150 F22s, and the MAF2 is an improvement of that, I'm pretty sure Nick wouldn't be allowed more than 100 of these awesome (and expensive) stealth aircraft... Which means he has, or nearly run out of MAF-2s.

:P
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| March 7, 2011, 7:54 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, let's see...

If Nick can't claim his Uber mass-production history, that means he only gets what ge started of with, that means, if the entire US can only make 150 F22s, and the MAF2 is an improvement of that, I'm pretty sure Nick wouldn't be allowed more than 100 of these awesome (and expensive) stealth aircraft... Which means he has, or nearly run out of MAF-2s.

:P


I hear Uzbekistan has a pretty unadvanced military. I wonder how they got such advanced VTOls if we're going by your standard.
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| March 7, 2011, 7:57 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, let's see...

If Nick can't claim his Uber mass-production history, that means he only gets what ge started of with, that means, if the entire US can only make 150 F22s, and the MAF2 is an improvement of that, I'm pretty sure Nick wouldn't be allowed more than 100 of these awesome (and expensive) stealth aircraft... Which means he has, or nearly run out of MAF-2s.

:P


You're starting to become Cliffe 2.0.

I'll explain it: you're so focused on having it your way you think of anything and everything to make it so, even if it means such absurdities as this.

I've already told you once, and you didn't listen. What's done is done, we can't go back and change that. We can only change what's going to happen from here on out.

Sit down, boy, let events run their course without your interference.

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| March 7, 2011, 8:00 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You know, last time I claimed I existed as long as the PCU and therefore had as much stuff as they did, your only answer was: "You didn't have X number of states when you started, so you can't count them." Why the sudden change?

So, in the next group, the PCU will be able to conquer the world right out of the gate? What if I claimed the PCU next go-around? 10-to-1 I'd catch it from everyone, and I'd have to start from scratch. Therefore, we don't build on it, and we all start from equal footing.

I won't keep going like this, but I will make the same claims as the PCU. There are no rules regarding this subject, so no one can stop me unless they are willing to stop both of us. I won't say anymore on the subject.

I has to be the same person putting the effort into the same country to get the output. So even if you did claim the PCU, that would mark the beginning of your putting effort into it.

And no one had to start over. Nick gets the reward for all his effort because he made that sacrifice, and he stayed his same country.

He can build on it because he's kept his country, and he's been putting his own effort into the same place this entire time, so he deserves a greater reward.


But, alas, Admins put down the entire theory of historical significance.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, let's see...

If Nick can't claim his Uber mass-production history, that means he only gets what ge started of with, that means, if the entire US can only make 150 F22s, and the MAF2 is an improvement of that, I'm pretty sure Nick wouldn't be allowed more than 100 of these awesome (and expensive) stealth aircraft... Which means he has, or nearly run out of MAF-2s.

:P

By the same standard, Ultra could only have about 50 F-89s (an aircraft of comparable expense to the MAF-2).
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| March 7, 2011, 8:03 pm
Okay, that's over, now get back to bombing each other with your EXISTING military.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:10 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You're starting to become Cliffe 2.0.

I'll explain it: you're so focused on having it your way you think of anything and everything to make it so, even if it means such absurdities as this.

I've already told you once, and you didn't listen. What's done is done, we can't go back and change that. We can only change what's going to happen from here on out.

Sit down, boy, let events run their course without your interference.

You kind of just waffled a bit about something boring, you didn't actually explain how implausible it is that Nick has lost a good portion of it's air force.

@ Ham
You never complained while I was the Indo Union, on your side, despite the fact that Indonesia has even less technological advancedness about it.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:11 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
You kind of just waffled a bit about something boring, you didn't actually explain how implausible it is that Nick has lost a good portion of it's air force.


Ignoring the whole post and bringing up something not relevant... Congratulations. I'm finished talking to you with this, we both have better things to do.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:14 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You're starting to become Cliffe 2.0.


Which is funny, because Cliffe 1.0 isn't nearly as bad anymore.


Speaking of unrealistic numbers, the country of Angola today has about 40 Ex-soviet fighters and 15 Mi-24s. So why does our new African friend claim to have 65 fighters and 120 Mi-24 (hinds)? (statistics thread)
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| March 7, 2011, 8:17 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Quoting Danny Morgan
You kind of just waffled a bit about something boring, you didn't actually explain how implausible it is that Nick has lost a good portion of it's air force.


Ignoring the whole post and bringing up something not relevant... Congratulations. I'm finished talking to you with this, we both have better things to do.

LOL
LOL!
You're the one who brought up random waffle, YOU brought up something nearly completely irrelevant to my post. Hypocrite?
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| March 7, 2011, 8:21 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Also, several units are deploying to China for fast response involving the current war. Not to say we intend to fight, but just incase.

We ask why this is happening? We ask that you stay out of this war and any troop movements to increase readiness to enter the war is unacceptable.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:22 pm
Quoting henry wang
We ask why this is happening? We ask that you stay out of this war and any troop movements to increase readiness to enter the war is unacceptable.


I ask you to kindly stop being a buzzkill and mind your own business.

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| March 7, 2011, 8:24 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Which is funny, because Cliffe 1.0 isn't nearly as bad anymore.


Speaking of unrealistic numbers, the country of Angola today has about 40 Ex-soviet fighters and 15 Mi-24s. So why does our new African friend claim to have 65 fighters and 120 Mi-24 (hinds)? (statistics thread)


Because I was too lazy to put down all the diffrent helis I had so I just called them all hinds. would you like me to change it?

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| March 7, 2011, 8:27 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Which is funny, because Cliffe 1.0 isn't nearly as bad anymore.

So what would Nick be, 3.0?
Remember he's the one who's claiming he's been building up a super army since 2012, not me. And that's not a problem anymore, because the admin already denied Nick of having such an army/economy.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:28 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I ask you to kindly stop being a buzzkill and mind your own business.

This is my business you are going to attack my ally and so you are not making me very happy. We ask kindly for you to stop.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:30 pm
Quoting henry wang
This is my business you are going to attack my ally and so you are not making me very happy. We ask kindly for you to stop.


You know what's not making me happy? The people attacking my ally. And if you want to stop me, I will fight a very nasty war you won't like.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting henry wang
This is my business you are going to attack my ally and so you are not making me very happy. We ask kindly for you to stop.

I am your ally? I ask this, because I am the only enemy of China/Hamster within range of 'rapid ground assault vehicles' or whatever it is Hamster's sending at me. Trust me, I am not complaining if you decide to be my ally =3
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| March 7, 2011, 8:36 pm
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Today in China:
-Seeing what madness the Pacific War has got us into, the Emperor announces his intent to finish the job and then sit inside our borders giving everyone else cold glances.
-Production of the secrets is ongoing.
-Plans are being reviewed for all kinds of things.
-We're looking into the economic effects of freeing Indonesia, if it would be for better or for worse.
-I supposed I should mention construction of several large things is being planned for Tibet, while others are still ongoing in Qinghai and Gansu.

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| March 7, 2011, 8:38 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

You know what's not making me happy? The people attacking my ally. And if you want to stop me, I will fight a very nasty war you won't like.

If you want to pay a big butcher's bill, fine by me. We would hope that this war will be fought in a civilized mannor and so no civilians will be harmed. If any of my civilians are harmed or if you use chemical weapons, you will lose a city, simple as that.

Does anyone know if there's a CR tonight?
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| March 7, 2011, 8:39 pm
Quoting henry wang
If you want to pay a big butcher's bill, fine by me.

Does anyone know if there's a CR tonight?


Also, I guess I didn't make it clear that they were simply to be based in China for the time being. Is that such a crime? If it is, all of your colonies must be World War III.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:42 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
But, alas, Admins put down the entire theory of historical significance.

Yep, I figured they'd see right through that.

Oh, and as for the F-89s, I converted all my old F-22s and F-35s to them, so I haven't scratch made half of them.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
You know what's not making me happy? The people attacking my ally. And if you want to stop me, I will fight a very nasty war you won't like.

Don't start a war, from past experience, you'll just loose everything.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:43 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Also, I guess I didn't make it clear that they were simply to be based in China for the time being. Is that such a crime? If it is, all of your colonies must be World War III.

Yes, it is war, but I hope you reconsider. And hope that you fight in the terms of a civilized modern nation and do not use chemical weapons and do not harm civilians. That is my only request. I will not harm your's or Cliffe's who will enter the conflict as long as you guys fight like a true modern nation and not a terrorist state.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:46 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
So what would Nick be, 3.0?
Remember he's the one who's claiming he's been building up a super army since 2012, not me. And that's not a problem anymore, because the admin already denied Nick of having such an army/economy.

I've not been building a super army. I've been building planes for self-defense. I still think that I should get to keep my numbers, but that's fine with me if the Admins think so.

Also, Danny, you're really starting to be annoying. You claim I can't field such things, but look at you. You have one of the "most advanced VTOL CAS planes in the world" yet Uzbekistan has a hugely underadvanced military.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:47 pm
Quoting henry wang
Yes, it is war, but I hope you reconsider. And hope that you fight in the terms of a civilized modern nation and do not use chemical weapons and do not harm civilians. That is my only request.


I can't move troops into allied nations now? What BS is this? Oh boy, your people will go crazy over the reason you started this war.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:50 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I can't move troops into allied nations now? What BS is this? Oh boy, your people will go crazy over the reason you started this war.

No they won't you want to attack my American ally, they will be quite happy with that. And I know you are collaberating with Cliffe, who I have already classified as a terrorist state. So they will be quite OK with it because I am technically just combatting terrorism. Just think of my reasons as the same as China's with the extra terrorist bit.

So have you agreed to stand down?

And an FYI, all air travel to Spain and Egypt has been closed so don't try to spread your protesting to my country because my people are quite content with the government because I have kept my people quite rich. And all people using Spanish or Egyptian Visas and passports will be asked not to enter our country and asked to leave. We will also close down the Spanish and Egyptian embassy, and monitor all exitting because we all know embassies are just spy shacks.
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| March 7, 2011, 8:55 pm
Quoting henry wang
No they won't you want to attack my American ally, they will be quite happy with that. And I know you are collaberating with Cliffe, who I have already classified as a terrorist state. So they will be quite OK with it because I am technically just combatting terrorism. Just think of my reasons as the same as China's with the extra terrorist bit.

So have you agreed to stand down?

And an FYI, all air travel to Spain and Egypt has been closed so don't try to spread your protesting to my country because my people are quite content with the government because I have kept my people quite rich. And all people using Spanish or Egyptian Visas and passports will be asked not to enter our country and asked to leave. We will also close down the Spanish and Egyptian embassy, and monitor all exitting because we all know embassies are just spy shacks.


Ok, no more troops to China, but there's no turning back for you. You have been the aggressor in this for restricting Spain's rights to base soldiers abroad, restricting our rights to sell to whomever we want, and trying to act policeman.

Would you like to step down, good sir? Or would you like to lose some valuable things?
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| March 7, 2011, 9:02 pm
PCU Update:

In Senegal today, the Prime Minister has declared absolute neutrality in the Western Hemisphere Brawl that is beginning to form. The Minister has barred the Senegalese people from helping in launching planes from their airport towards America.

In other news, a team of delegates has been sent to an undisclosed location in China to supervise the creation of something...sinister.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:04 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Ok, no more troops to China, but there's no turning back for you. You have been the aggressor in this for restricting Spain's rights to base soldiers abroad, restricting our rights to sell to whomever we want, and trying to act policeman.

Would you like to step down, good sir? Or would you like to lose some valuable things?

I'm really sorry that I'm doing this to you it's just I can't let you attack my ally simple as that. If the roles were flipped, I'm sure you would do the same.

I'm not going to war with you now because of your change in heart, but other than that I will carry on as I deem fit. If you want to continue down the warpath, that's fine by me.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:04 pm
Okay, as a closing order, I send bombers across th world to russia! XD JK! No seriously, that was just a joke. My real order is to begin production of the DH-11. I also build another glass factory. And send geologists out to find minerals and other raw materials. I encourage fishing on the coast. I also begin construction of another oil rig off the coast of Angola. Finally, I begin harvesting lumber in Madagascar.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:05 pm
Quoting henry wang
I'm really sorry that I'm doing this to you it's just I can't let you attack my ally simple as that. If the roles were flipped, I'm sure you will just be as angry.

But if anything gets killed, stolen, kidnapped, or bad (Gibralter) I will bring the rain. And by rain I mean heavy rain as in your done.


I didn't even say they were directly on rout to the front lines, only to be sent in if absolutely necessary, which probably won't even happen with the new support Nick has gotten.

And I will bring the umbrella.

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| March 7, 2011, 9:08 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I didn't even say they were directly on rout to the front lines, only to be sent in if absolutely necessary, which probably won't even happen with the new support Nick has gotten.

And I will bring the umbrella.

So you still want to go to war or not? Because I'm ready any time.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:10 pm
Quoting henry wang
No they won't you want to attack my American ally, they will be quite happy with that. And I know you are collaberating with Cliffe, who I have already classified as a terrorist state. So they will be quite OK with it because I am technically just combatting terrorism. Just think of my reasons as the same as China's with the extra terrorist bit.

So have you agreed to stand down?

And an FYI, all air travel to Spain and Egypt has been closed so don't try to spread your protesting to my country because my people are quite content with the government because I have kept my people quite rich. And all people using Spanish or Egyptian Visas and passports will be asked not to enter our country and asked to leave. We will also close down the Spanish and Egyptian embassy, and monitor all exitting because we all know embassies are just spy shacks.

How does one define... "terrorism?"
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| March 7, 2011, 9:11 pm
Quoting henry wang
So you still want to go to war or not? Because I'm ready any time.


I'll have to get back to you on that tomorrow.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:12 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Okay, as a closing order, I send bombers across th world to russia! XD JK! No seriously, that was just a joke. My real order is to begin production of the DH-11. I also build another glass factory. And send geologists out to find minerals and other raw materials. I encourage fishing on the coast. I also begin construction of another oil rig off the coast of Angola. Finally, I begin harvesting lumber in Madagascar.

Now that's a lovely report. Good job, and keep that up.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:12 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How does one define... "terrorism?"

I define it as the use of chemical or biological weapons. Which you used on Ultra's population.

@Ham
Do I sense a surprise attack.

Back to my country, well we are continuing production of our ships and have completed production of another Centaur-Class Destroyer. It will immediately be put in the home fleet and will defend Britain from along with my 3 aircraft carriers.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:17 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I've not been building a super army. I've been building planes for self-defense. I still think that I should get to keep my numbers, but that's fine with me if the Admins think so.

Also, Danny, you're really starting to be annoying. You claim I can't field such things, but look at you. You have one of the "most advanced VTOL CAS planes in the world" yet Uzbekistan has a hugely underadvanced military.

/remembers your most recent ragequite from a Gmail chat with me.

Um, I don't think you're that difficult to Ann-y.

As for the other bit, you're just following up with Ham's invalid argument, and my response remains the same: you never complained while the IU, a far less powerful nation, was producing Valkyries.

And the admins said it's fine for me to make Valkyries, as long as it's not 300 a week like Cliffe.

Knowing you, you'll just ignore this comment while you try and find something else to pick on about me.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting henry wang
@Ham
Do I sense a surprise attack.


You can sense what you want, I know what my sense of smell senses.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:20 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Nick gets the history because he is about the only country in this group that has continuity.


Sorry that I will be posting on something that is far back in the thread (haven't yet had the time to catch up), but you are forgetting that I was Finland, and had just accquired Sweden when the last group died AND have had nearly all of my MOCs since then, so by your logic, I could bump up my tank/APC/ jeep numbers up considerably.



Thank you Erik for finally doing what I was pestering you to post all afternoon >.>


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| March 7, 2011, 9:23 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
He doesn't have an uber army. Your friends are just being defeated because they are. There's no trickery there, and if you think there is, chances are you're going as insane as our friend Hitler.

Well, Godwin's Law has come into effect. We can all now settle down and do whatever it was we were doing.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:35 pm
New Medium Attack Helicopter finished. Just need to take pics and post it.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:39 pm
Three SR-71's have been retrofitted with Brazil's fuel cells and will undergo testing soon.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:41 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, Godwin's Law has come into effect. We can all now settle down and do whatever it was we were doing.


Leave it to Areetsa to get all the clues I drop.
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| March 7, 2011, 9:42 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Sorry that I will be posting on something that is far back in the thread (haven't yet had the time to catch up), but you are forgetting that I was Finland, and had just accquired Sweden when the last group died AND have had nearly all of my MOCs since then, so by your logic, I could bump up my tank/APC/ jeep numbers up considerably.



Thank you Erik for finally doing what I was pestering you to post all afternoon >.>


Forgive me, if i my arguments, I short-sightedly only considered those warring nations, and neglected to remember you and Brendonia as well.

But I guess it's all for loss now.

Quoting henry wang
I can't let you attack my ally simple as that.

Question here, but what is your definition of attack?

Because the way I see it, giving troops and equipment to an ally (like Ham to the PCU), doesn't really constitute an "attack", it's more like "assisting with defense".
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| March 7, 2011, 10:11 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting henry wang
I can't let you attack my ally simple as that.

Question here, but what is your definition of attack?

Because the way I see it, giving troops and equipment to an ally (like Ham to the PCU), doesn't really constitute an "attack", it's more like "assisting with defense".

It's aggressive and he says that he may use them to attack. Anyways in hindsight attack was too strong, something more along the lines of threatening would have been better.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:31 pm
Quoting henry wang
Question here, but what is your definition of attack?

Because the way I see it, giving troops and equipment to an ally (like Ham to the PCU), doesn't really constitute an "attack", it's more like "assisting with defense".

It's aggressive and he says that he may use them to attack. Anyways in hindsight attack was to strong, something more along the lines of threatening would have been better.

btw his threat to attack you tomorrow is void, as there is no Combat Report Tomorrow.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:35 pm
Meh, I'm not attacking anyways. I realized I have a trip to go on, and that this distracted me from it.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:39 pm
Quoting henry wang
I define it as the use of chemical or biological weapons. Which you used on Ultra's population.

@Ham
Do I sense a surprise attack.

Back to my country, well we are continuing production of our ships and have completed production of another Centaur-Class Destroyer. It will immediately be put in the home fleet and will defend Britain from along with my 3 aircraft carriers.

What an intriguing and unconventional definition... I guess both Iraq and Iran were terrorist states during the Iran-Iraq war. :P
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| March 7, 2011, 10:44 pm
Quoting luke peterson

@ Australia, in order to properly test project alpha, we need to secure an island. so get back to me on that ASAP I got 40+ helis waiting for something to do.


Okay, there aren't as many islands as I thought that are vacant in the Indian Ocean. But there is this little island called Rodriguez or something like that. It could possibly house a naval base. It is closer to Madagascar than to Australia. But there are Christmas and Cocos Islands near Australia that I already control. If they are too close to Australia, maybe we could conquer an island in the Maldives. There are a few more islands, but as I have learned the hard way, most of them probably belong to France or Britain.

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| March 7, 2011, 10:46 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
/remembers your most recent ragequite from a Gmail chat with me.

Um, I don't think you're that difficult to Ann-y.

As for the other bit, you're just following up with Ham's invalid argument, and my response remains the same: you never complained while the IU, a far less powerful nation, was producing Valkyries.

And the admins said it's fine for me to make Valkyries, as long as it's not 300 a week like Cliffe.

Knowing you, you'll just ignore this comment while you try and find something else to pick on about me.

You're starting to annoy me, and that's saying something. Quit acting so childish.

And actually no, Indonesia has about 18 times the economic capacity of Uzbekistan.

Indonesia also has roughly 6 times the military size and capacity of Uzbekistan. And they also use many western pieces of equipment, while Uzbekistan is severely limited to old soviet equipment.

You severely limited yourself by choosing one of the worst off nations (in both economic and militaristic terms), and you expect us to believe you have the capacity to produce the 5th generation fighters and such that your American allies gave you the plans for?

You're nation should have one of the lowest abilities to do anything on a global scale out of everyone in this group, yet you strut around like you have some god-given right to push on people with countries fully 50 times your size.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:49 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
What an intriguing and unconventional definition... I guess both Iraq and Iran were terrorist states during the Iran-Iraq war. :P

Well that's how I interpret it.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:51 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Well that's how I interpret it.

Not to mention the attack used on Ultra was far more humane than using ICBMs to kill 200,000 innocent civilians.

I interpret a terrorist state as one who sacrifices the lives of civilians, whether their own or others, for their own political agenda.

If you recall, Egypt didn't cause a single death with their attack on Ultra.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:54 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You're starting to annoy me, and that's saying something. Quit acting so childish.

And actually no, Indonesia has about 18 times the economic capacity of Uzbekistan.

Indonesia also has roughly 6 times the military size and capacity of Uzbekistan. And they also use many western pieces of equipment, while Uzbekistan is severely limited to old soviet equipment.

You severely limited yourself by choosing one of the worst off nations (in both economic and militaristic terms), and you expect us to believe you have the capacity to produce the 5th generation fighters and such that your American allies gave you the plans for?

You're nation should have one of the lowest abilities to do anything on a global scale out of everyone in this group, yet you strut around like you have some god-given right to push on people with countries fully 50 times your size.

U mad?

I REALLY REALLY am glad you're not CM anymore. Such biasedness...

for the record, you're wrong, Uzbekistan has a way better economy.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:56 pm
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While I will be ignored, since I really cannot do anything, please try to just tone things down here- everyone. It is very annoying to see about three simultaneous near-flame wars in the same thread.
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| March 7, 2011, 10:59 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
U mad?

I REALLY REALLY am glad you're not CM anymore. Such biasedness...

Yes, I do often get mad at, and am biased against, children.

Quoting Danny Morgan

Check Indonesia, and then Uzbekistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

You'll find Indonesia has the 18th largest economy in the world, and Uzbekistan has the 81st.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
While I will be ignored, since I really cannot do anything, please try to just tone things down here- everyone. It is very annoying to see about three simultaneous near-flame wars in the same thread.


I agree, sir admin. These kids are too uppity these days. Perchance a special rage topic will help them, while leaving this clean for international business?

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| March 7, 2011, 11:01 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Yes, I do often get mad at, and am biased against, children.

good, then I know it's your own problem, not mine.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:02 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Not to mention the attack used on Ultra was far more humane than using ICBMs to kill 200,000 innocent civilians.

I interpret a terrorist state as one who sacrifices the lives of civilians, whether their own or others, for their own political agenda.

If you recall, Egypt didn't cause a single death with their attack on Ultra.

We all have different interpretations, I respect your's and now will you give me the same courtesy instead of picking all of my actions apart.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:02 pm
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Quoting henry wang
We all have different interpretations, I respect your's and now will you give me the same courtesy instead of picking all of my actions apart.

Of course I will, friend.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I agree, sir admin. These kids are too uppity these days. Perchance a special rage topic will help them, while leaving this clean for international business?


I think it would be ideal if they handled it over FM, but seeing that no one will, then they should indeed make a rage topic if they so desire.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:07 pm
it's done, go to the rage-thread to continue flame-wars.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:22 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
So is anyone actually CM'ing the conflict in the Crimea?

tom did.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:29 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
So is anyone actually CM'ing the conflict in the Crimea?

Quoting me from above:
CR for March 7, 2037

Crimea:

More missiles were fired back and forth.

For the Russians, at least 26 pieces of armor (tanks, IFVs, APCs, etc.) and 84 men KIA and 43 wounded. (Men both in said vehicles and on ground). (casualties for both CRs worth of missiles)

For the Byzantines: missile strikes knocked out 21 pieces of armor and 108 men (68 KIA, 40 wounded).

3 Russian surveillance UAVs were blown out of the sky over the peninsula by SAMs this week.


yes... >.>
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| March 7, 2011, 11:39 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I agree, sir admin. These kids are too uppity these days. Perchance a special rage topic will help them, while leaving this clean for international business?

Actually not, I'm only 3 years younger than you... You're 17 right?
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| March 8, 2011, 12:03 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Actually not, I'm only 3 years younger than you... You're 17 right?


17 and forever alone, yes. But many people both younger and older than me in this argument were acting as young as my brother, who is but 10 (they claim 14, I called BS on that). Problem, Brikkr?
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| March 8, 2011, 12:11 am
The invasion of Iran is progressing according to plan. The loses have been lower than expected. the majority of Iranian forces pulled back to Shiraz, Tehran, and crossroad cities. Qushm Island is 75% secured. There is heavy fighting in the port city of Bandar Mahshahr. Most of the Iranian air force was destroyed but a small number of Su-30's and J-10s escaped to an air base out side of Tehran. The majority of the iranian navy was caught in port and was destroyed by air strikes. 2 nuclear submarines escaped and 2 Jerusalem-class frigates and there anti-submarine helicopters are searching for them. One Shahab was able to launch, the others were either destroyed on the ground or there supporting equipment was destroyed by the Predator Cs when they attempted to launch. But due to a faulty firing trigger and an out dated targeting system it landed harmlessly in the desert.

In other news Russia and Arabia have agreed to jointly develop a battlefield laser system to be mounted on old tank chassis.

We are looking for a way to diversify my economy i am looking for a partner to develop solar power in vast desert of the Arabian peninsula. Also we are encouraging the development of fishing.
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| March 8, 2011, 12:23 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

http://mocpages.com/requests.php
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| March 8, 2011, 12:32 am
@Matt ;p

Look at Amsterdam island, it was Prev. Owned by a european country and it is halfway inbetween us.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:41 am
I won't be on regularly for the next two and a half weeks, so if anyone needs to contact me, leave me a FM. I won't be up on the MOCpages threads.

Due to increasing hostility, any un-permitted aircraft or ship to enter Alaskan airspace will be shot down immediately.
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| March 8, 2011, 2:52 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
My friends at school today made a very interesting point.

If the usage of chemical and/or biological warfare is terrorism, then during WWI, France, the United Kingdom, the German Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the United States were all terrorist states. :P

Well, technically, the US was already a terrorist state; you see, I believe the definition of terrorism is an organization that isn't a recognized state using violence for political purposes. Since rebels aren't usually recognized states, this = America as a terrorist state for the last 200 years. Which would handily explain why they both insist in getting involved in other people's business, and refuse to sign many if any arms limitation agreements.

Just remember that when they start getting all angry about the new rogue terrorist states being created by the middle-eastern revolutions.
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| March 8, 2011, 5:26 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Well, technically, the US was already a terrorist state; you see, I believe the definition of terrorism is an organization that isn't a recognized state using violence for political purposes. Since rebels aren't usually recognized states, this = America as a terrorist state for the last 200 years. Which would handily explain why they both insist in getting involved in other people's business, and refuse to sign many if any arms limitation agreements.

Just remember that when they start getting all angry about the new rogue terrorist states being created by the middle-eastern revolutions.

So many things wrong with "America" and "not a recognized state" in the same sentence...
America is recognized by every nation on the globe.


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| March 8, 2011, 5:44 pm
Quoting Will G.
So many things wrong with "America" and "not a recognized state" in the same sentence...
America is recognized by every nation on the globe.



America isn't a country, it's 2 continents and a sub continent.

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| March 8, 2011, 5:48 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Well, technically, the US was already a terrorist state; you see, I believe the definition of terrorism is an organization that isn't a recognized state using violence for political purposes. Since rebels aren't usually recognized states, this = America as a terrorist state for the last 200 years. Which would handily explain why they both insist in getting involved in other people's business, and refuse to sign many if any arms limitation agreements.

Just remember that when they start getting all angry about the new rogue terrorist states being created by the middle-eastern revolutions.

The truth that hurts (Americans).

:P
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| March 8, 2011, 5:54 pm
Ateention. The DH-11 is now for sale. I only have three 1st class DH-11s and those are for me. But I could have ten 2nd class done by the end of tomorrow. Heres a link.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mango_train/5509911691/
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| March 8, 2011, 5:58 pm
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The Western Confederation has issued the following statement to the Egyptian forces in the PCU:

"To the heroic Egyptian forces in the Pacific Union. You have done your country just service and lent impetus to your great reputation and heritage of the Pharaohs of old. However heroic your attacks, they have met with defeat. Your vehicles, rations, ammunition, and equipment lie at the bottom of the ocean; and what is left is in smoking ruins littered across the Baja Peninsula. Your air force has ceased to exist, and the Pacific Union cannot hold the air much longer. They will soon abandon you to save themselves. They cannot even feed you. Your guns will run out of ammunition very soon.

"We do not wish to harm you further than we have. If you leave this fight now, since it is not your own, we will not stop your withdrawal. We will give you rations, we will give you a place to sleep and rest. We await your reply."

This, along with a general order to all WC soldiers, any Egyptian who wishes to surrender will not be fired upon, even though they are officially terrorists. They are not responsible for the actions of their superiors.

Well, it's been awhile, but production continues. The 15,000 recruits have finished training and are awaiting their assignments. The WCHC has decided to split them into three regiments, the 100th, 101st, and 102nd IFRs.

More M90s have made it off the production centers. M80s are being produced almost as quickly, and both more cheaply than two different types because they share the same chassis.

The big mess is still seeping into the Gulf. Due to the risk of civilian casualties, the crews have been stripped to a minimum possible. We're working on getting the stuff capped. Any international help would be appreciated since it is estimated that 50 pelicans (probably an endangered species) have already perished, along with three dolphins, five sharks, three pigeons, a baby seal, and a polar bear (the last two due to the obvious impact the oil spill had on climate change).

There is still nothing suspicious going on in the Coral Sea... My carriers still aren't there. Hide your eyes.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
America isn't a country, it's 2 continents and a sub continent.

Funny how only one of them calls themselves United States of America. Every other nation on the continents has a name other than that. They change their name, I'll call them Americans.

Quoting Will G.
So many things wrong with "America" and "not a recognized state" in the same sentence...
America is recognized by every nation on the globe.

America practically MADE every nation on the globe. England & Co., France, and Russia were great at holding the line in both World Wars. The line was only broken when America showed up...
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| March 8, 2011, 6:09 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

America isn't a country, it's 2 continents and a sub continent.

The United States of America, Ham, is sometimes referred to as America, and it is not a crime to call it such. If you have a problem with me, I suggest you invade me.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:23 pm
I loled at you. Yep, the United States of America made every country ever. Germany, we made that in an afternoon. China, those civil wars meant nothing. UK, stop lying. You didn't make us. Hey Japan, we made you with nuclear power. Those things about firebombing your civilians was a lie. Yo Italy, why do you praise Garibaldi? Praise Lincoln!
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| March 8, 2011, 6:24 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I loled at you. Yep, the United States of America made every country ever. Germany, we made that in an afternoon. China, those civil wars meant nothing. UK, stop lying. You didn't make us. Hey Japan, we made you with nuclear power. Those things about firebombing your civilians was a lie. Yo Italy, why do you praise Garibaldi? Praise Lincoln!

You misunderstand what he says as usual.

Admins, I request a warning for Ham. He uses repetitive trolling and rarely focuses on anything that has to do with the actual game.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:26 pm
Quoting Will G.
So many things wrong with "America" and "not a recognized state" in the same sentence...
America is recognized by every nation on the globe.

Maybe now, but if you go by their party line of "once a terrorist, always a terrorist" then..?
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| March 8, 2011, 6:28 pm
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Please move the "America is a terrorist" and related arguments to the flame post.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:30 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Seconded.

And someone needs to invade him while he has no creations

xD

Someone needs to invade you while your Valkyries are laying in WC-controlled battlefields smoldering.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:42 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Someone needs to invade you while your Valkyries are laying in WC-controlled battlefields smoldering.

What is it with you and thinking my Valkyries is all I've got?
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| March 8, 2011, 6:50 pm
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Today in China:
Production of the secrets is still ongoing.
Secrecy abounds everywhere.
More secrecy.
Slender Man still not spotted.
Over 9000 AA watches the skies above our cities and industrial zones to keep watch for pesky intruders.
Tibet conquest moves along. The rebels have retreated to the western mountains, but they can't last forever up there.

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| March 8, 2011, 6:51 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

have you spoken to Nick about our agreement? What is your answer?
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| March 8, 2011, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

have you spoken to Nick about our agreement? What is your answer?


Yes, he agrees.
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| March 8, 2011, 7:11 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yes, he agrees.

To not attack me from your land at all? Maybe we can end this conflict then. (between him and I, I'm only involved in this thing for revenge for his unprovoked attacks on my land, and I feel after destroying all of those factories and other important buildings, we are even.).
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| March 8, 2011, 7:25 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
To not attack me from your land at all? Maybe we can end this conflict then. (between him and I, I'm only involved in this thing for revenge for his unprovoked attacks on my land, and I feel after destroying all of those factories and other important buildings, we are even.).

Nothing in the CR was there anything about you destroying PCU factories.
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| March 8, 2011, 7:30 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Nothing in the CR was there anything about you destroying PCU factories.

Maybe you should try reading it?

What about the other bit, about a ceasefire?
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| March 8, 2011, 7:39 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
surrender request

EPIC LULZ.

You have no idea where our supplies really come from, anyway. We should start getting new supplies and vehicles quite soon. But we Egyptians are very insignificant compared to the Beast of the East bearing down on you... the Pharaoh and his commanders are highly amused. To think we are the focus of your attention at this moment!

In short, as the commander of the forces encircled at Bastogne famously said:

"NUTS."
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| March 8, 2011, 9:14 pm
Our shipyards have completed their renovations; however the new ones being built in Haiti are still under construction. While these yards are owned by mainly military shipbuilders, many commercial yards are springing up around them, helping boost our economy and further lower unemployment, and help will the demand for cargo vessels to handle inter-island trade. Several new ship classes are being designed, and we hope to put them into production once all of our yards have been completed.
Development has begun of a new series of military rations to replace the extremely old (but still well preserved) Soviet rations. These rations will be based on the American MRE; however they will mainly come in sets of cans. Much emphasis is being put into coming up with lightweight but nutritional meals for our troops in the field.
Also, Congress has saw it fit that our commitment to WWWIV be raised to 50,000 military personell.
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| March 8, 2011, 9:22 pm
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Quoting Danny and Ham


That's enough. We said we'd be deleting flame-war arguments from this thread, and we meant it.
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| March 8, 2011, 10:35 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

That was more of a get-out-of-dodge-while-the-getting's-good sort of thing. Oh, well, you work it out.
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| March 8, 2011, 10:46 pm
Need a mod to approve part 2 of the CR.
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| March 8, 2011, 11:15 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Need a mod to approve part 2 of the CR.

oh, the second CR is today?
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| March 8, 2011, 11:42 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Need a mod to approve part 2 of the CR.


I would, but its not showing up under reqests. Probablly got sent to the site mods.
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| March 9, 2011, 6:59 am
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Anyhow, in the Western Confederation...

The Idahoan envoys report that the citizenry doesn't seem too motivated to rise up against the 'invaders,' since they haven't been indoctrinated since as far back as originally claimed. Idahoan spokesmen say that they are optimistic about the future, and not particularly aggravated at the WC because their infrastructure wasn't hit at all. The WC has promised that lifestyle won't change, and if it does, it will be for the better. More freedoms, more opportunities, better life ahead.

Speaking of infrastructure, the country hospital (victim of the electrical blow-out) was hooked up to the grid again, and severe cases were flown priority to specialized medical facilities elsewhere. Repairs began on everything that was damaged during the fighting from water systems (2 towns) to highways (Boise). Until the WC companies can expand into the new market, the Idahoans must keep working on their own to provide jobs. The planting season for crops is going to begin soon, so that might draw some opportunities from the rest of the WC.

It is unlikely, and in some cases impossible (Arty knows), that the citizenry would or could answer a call to take up arms against the WC. This given the massive numbers of law enforcement present there.

Guatemala's massive energy/jobs plan is going into effect today. They will be getting a quantity of Uranium for their scientists to attempt fission to prompt development of nuclear power plants. When, where, and how are currently classified for obvious reasons. Oil exploration and coal mining sites are being chosen in Guatemala and Belize. A prominent Belize earth-moving company has been awarded the contract for that country, getting about $80 Million for the work; they will hire subcontractors as needed.

Once again, the WC wishes to reinforce our warnings to the Asians unwisely on the continent:
"You have come here to die. There will be no more help for you. The PCU will fall, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Leave now, with honor, or be sent back as prisoners in shame."

Production continues on all types & stuff.

Quoting Areetsa C
Need a mod to approve part 2 of the CR.

The suspense is killing me!!!
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| March 9, 2011, 1:16 pm
In Uberstan:

- a team of experts has been sent out to the WC to help contain the rapidly spreading oil leaks caused by the PCU, and to help save the endangered animals there.

- Spain has threatened to attack me with his two micro scale ships. As we are a land-locked nation, we do not feel we are in any real danger from Spain's threats.

- the A9-1 Reaper has entered production. We will produce about 1 a day to start off with, and we'll also start by replacing these with 20 of our original helis, so by now I'd have 21. Anyone interested in trading or buying the Reaper or any other of my creations, please contact me via FM.
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| March 9, 2011, 3:59 pm
Can Danny and matt please check thier FMs
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| March 9, 2011, 4:14 pm
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After several weeks of weak and sporadic engagements, both the Russian and Byzantine federal governments have come to a peace agreement over Crimea. The Byzantine forces presently stationed on the peninsula will be withdrawn while Russian troops stay in occupation with applied Martial Law to detain the civil uproar from collapsing the autonomous Crimean government. With that said, the Ukrainian government was approached and forced to pay for the conflict's debt granted pro-Russian and pro-Byzantine supporters in the now corrupt Ukrainian governance pressed the matter under the long list of other policies having to be dealt with to please the public; needless to say, this is the first time both of our federations worked in relative collaboration. Finally, observers from both of our governments will be sent to the fields of the former Crimean Proxy War to make an accurate account of human and equipment losses. We know for a fact that the Byzantine forces on the peninsula lacked armour, but yet they sustained armour losses; therefore, both governments fear the previously recorded losses from the broadcasted reports are inflated and incorrect.

In other Union State news, we will be sending two airborne brigades [10,000 troops and accompanying light armour and other equipment] to aid with the war against Iran. Granted the Russian Federation is in fear that Iran has been able to produce nuclear-capable arms in shadows beyond the UN's eyes, it will be sending armed support to investigate and neutralize Iran's nuclear capabilities. Presently, these two brigades are under the command of Saudi Arabia in regards as to where our men will be flown to for combat engagements.
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| March 9, 2011, 7:16 pm
PCU business goes as usual, with the Wolf's Den having been re-populated after a recent scare.
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| March 9, 2011, 7:28 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
We know for a fact that the Byzantine forces on the peninsula lacked armour, but yet they sustained armour losses; therefore, both governments fear the previously recorded losses from the broadcasted reports are inflated and incorrect.

Evan told me he had an armored battalion there.
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| March 9, 2011, 7:29 pm
Today in the RAS...

The fighting in madagascar is preety much over. Our losses estimate at:

45 helis
18 hinds
29 main battle tanks.
8 MMDSs
12 armored transports
14 APCs
and 2,000 personell

Despite the losses, people celebrate in Angola. The war is over and loved ones come home. Now I will open tourism and start to help the country recover from this horrible war. lumber will be harvested in controlled amounts and an oil rig will be set up off the eastern coast. Because of the recent foul play, AA guns will be set up on the decks of each oil rig.
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| March 9, 2011, 7:37 pm
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I was told otherwise. And I don't mean for this to be a pick at you; just trying to get out of having to pay for replacements.

Oh, Evan! You have some s'plain' to do.

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| March 9, 2011, 7:39 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Once again, the WC wishes to reinforce our warnings to the Asians unwisely on the continent:
"You have come here to die. There will be no more help for you. The PCU will fall, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Leave now, with honor, or be sent back as prisoners in shame."


Unwisely on the continent? Maybe. Consider this a lesson in what goes around comes around. We have come here to help a friend in need, as they'd do the same for us. The PCU will survive, of this, I am sure.

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| March 9, 2011, 8:28 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I wonder what would've happen if I didn't attack South Korea...

We would've found a different excuse to hate everybody else no doubt. >.>
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| March 9, 2011, 8:55 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
In other Union State news, we will be sending two airborne brigades [10,000 troops and accompanying light armour and other equipment] to aid with the war against Iran.

As soon as I'm finished CMing in Yankland, you could end up losing those guys, depending on how the Saudis choose to deploy them.

Just mentioning.
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| March 9, 2011, 9:12 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
As soon as I'm finished CMing in Yankland, you could end up losing those guys, depending on how the Saudis choose to deploy them.

Just mentioning.


How long do we have until the CR? I'm working on my orders now, and I'd like to know if I should pick up the pace or not...

Edit: I was just informed that they were every 3 days, I was not aware of this before. Disregard this.
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| March 9, 2011, 9:25 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I made a screw up when talking to Erik, moi bad. However, I concur with what he said, as the 32nd Armoured Battalion is indeed there, but since it is a sea-mobile unit, only 17 M6A1 Jackson tanks are commissioned with the unit.

Fair enough. I didn't actually know the size of your Battalion.

But, I said 21 pieces of armor, that doesn't necessarily mean all tanks, it includes IFVs, APCs, etc. as well.

In case that's helpful at all...
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| March 9, 2011, 9:32 pm
BREAKING NEWS FROM THE CESN (Uzbek/turkmenistan):

A member of the old Indo-Union, still loyal as an ally to Uzbek, has contacted us with the information that Spain (Ham) was the one messing with Alaska's radar (anyone remember that?) so basically Spain had sabotaged Alaska's Radar allowing the PCU to attack Alaska unnoticed. Just thought you guys might want to know, Ham's role in this war is more than we thought. The old Indo Union member in question will remain anonymous, for his/her own protection.

In other news: we are looking into offering Tajikistan to join the CESN.

Tis all for now.
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| March 9, 2011, 9:34 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
BREAKING NEWS FROM THE CESN (Uzbek/turkmenistan):

A member of the old Indo-Union, still loyal as an ally to Uzbek, has contacted us with the information that Spain (Ham) was the one messing with Alaska's radar (anyone remember that?) so basically Spain had sabotaged Alaska's Radar allowing the PCU to attack Alaska unnoticed. Just thought you guys might want to know, Ham's role in this war is more than we thought. The old Indo Union member in question will remain anonymous, for his/her own protection.

In other news: we are looking into offering Tajikistan to join the CESN.

Tis all for now.


Ah yes, thank you for reminding me I never received payment for my services from Indonesia. Too bad they didn't last long enough. *Puts pinky to mouth*
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| March 9, 2011, 9:47 pm
Alright good fellows. I shall be off in a magical place down in the Everglades until Monday evening. So have fun with the war. And also, because I just smell Henry attacking me while I'm gone because of my A-Team activities, either Awe or Cliffe has control of my forces.


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| March 9, 2011, 10:19 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Ah yes, thank you for reminding me I never received payment for my services from Indonesia. Too bad they didn't last long enough. *Puts pinky to mouth*


I laugh because now Henry will clearly attack you, since you were "attacking" Jack, who is Ultra's ally, who is in turn Henry's ally. Just sayin' (and he seems to be out for you).
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| March 9, 2011, 10:19 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I laugh because now Henry will clearly attack you, since you were "attacking" Jack, who is Ultra's ally, who is in turn Henry's ally. Just sayin' (and he seems to be out for you).


We're hackers of fortune. We do as we please as long as we get the money. If you have a problem, and no one else can help, then you might be able to hire The H-Team!!!!!

We're kind of like Jack Ford's freelancer pilots, only we started the trend.

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| March 9, 2011, 10:23 pm
Hey Henry, what is your Flickr?
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| March 9, 2011, 10:39 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Hey Henry, what is your Flickr?

WOW. You epicly fail at being subtle. Lulz.
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| March 9, 2011, 10:59 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Unwisely on the continent? Maybe. Consider this a lesson in what goes around comes around. We have come here to help a friend in need, as they'd do the same for us. The PCU will survive, of this, I am sure.

I committed all of 10 aircraft to the fight for heaven's sake! I never deployed troops to Asia.

Poor soul, you have no comprehension of the human tide that is about to sweep you.


Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
We're kind of like Jack Ford's freelancer pilots, only we started the trend.

Actually, Jack did it in the last group. Though I'm still forbidden to mention it officially.
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| March 9, 2011, 11:08 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
WOW. You epicly fail at being subtle. Lulz.

What?

Nonono silly silly Cliffe, I'm not scheming with Henry, I just remembered I don't know his Flickr.
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| March 9, 2011, 11:11 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I committed all of 10 aircraft to the fight for heaven's sake! I never deployed troops to Asia.

Poor soul, you have no comprehension of the human tide that is about to sweep you.



10 aircraft? How about the thousands of civilians you killed? Yes, I know Japan was up to that business too.

This is my answer to human tide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02PaN5xbXA
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| March 9, 2011, 11:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Poor soul, you have no comprehension of the human tide that is about to sweep you.

You can't threaten China with a human tide. That's just backwards.
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| March 9, 2011, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

10 aircraft? How about the thousands of civilians you killed? Yes, I know Japan was up to that business too.

This is my answer to human tide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02PaN5xbXA

Uh, yeah. Japan just needed a lesson in civilian casualties. After all, they probably killed that many Koreans, especially in the cities.

How utterly inappropriate. Well, let's just say we now enjoy the numerical, material, machine, and momentum advantage. Infantry ain't worth squat against airplanes, that's for sure.
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| March 9, 2011, 11:21 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
How utterly inappropriate. Well, let's just say we now enjoy the numerical, material, machine, and momentum advantage. Infantry ain't worth squat against airplanes, that's for sure.


Very appropriate, I'd say. But enough talk, the battlefield will show who is right.
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| March 9, 2011, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Very appropriate, I'd say. But enough talk, the battlefield will show who is right.

I meant the music. Yep, we'll see. One of these days...
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| March 9, 2011, 11:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Uh, yeah. Japan just needed a lesson in civilian casualties. After all, they probably killed that many Koreans, especially in the cities.

How utterly inappropriate. Well, let's just say we now enjoy the numerical, material, machine, and momentum advantage. Infantry ain't worth squat against airplanes, that's for sure.

That was my argument to him, as he seems to be basing his strength off a lot of soldiers, which, like you said, can't do squat against aircraft. 900,000 soldiers running at you? Mow 'em all down.
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| March 9, 2011, 11:48 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
You can't threaten China with a human tide. That's just backwards.

Eh, perhaps. Except they didn't land THAT many troops there.

Quoting Danny Morgan
That was my argument to him, as he seems to be basing his strength off a lot of soldiers, which, like you said, can't do squat against aircraft. 900,000 soldiers running at you? Mow 'em all down.

That is why we have SAWs
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| March 9, 2011, 11:49 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Eh, perhaps. Except they didn't land THAT many troops there.

Quoting Danny Morgan
That was my argument to him, as he seems to be basing his strength off a lot of soldiers, which, like you said, can't do squat against aircraft. 900,000 soldiers running at you? Mow 'em all down.

That is why we have SAWs

This might be a silly question, but what are S.A.W.s?
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| March 10, 2011, 12:00 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Quoting Ultra That is why we have SAWs

This might be a silly question, but what are S.A.W.s?


Squad Automatic Weapon. Light Machine Gun.
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| March 10, 2011, 12:04 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
That was my argument to him, as he seems to be basing his strength off a lot of soldiers, which, like you said, can't do squat against aircraft. 900,000 soldiers running at you? Mow 'em all down.


Who said I was using just soldiers? I have plenty aircraft, and more on the way. I also have plenty tank, and plenty car, and plenty cannon, and not plenty boat.

So even without 900,000 soldiers and more that can be summoned (though I won't for costs), I could still defeat you. Of course, such a thing would lead to you releasing your weapons of mass destruction on my civilian population and cause millions upon millions of deaths and earn you international scorn except perhaps from your friends in America...
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| March 10, 2011, 12:08 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Who said I was using just soldiers? I have plenty aircraft, and more on the way. I also have plenty tank, and plenty car, and plenty cannon, and not plenty boat.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we meant in the US...
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| March 10, 2011, 12:21 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Who said I was using just soldiers? I have plenty aircraft, and more on the way. I also have plenty tank, and plenty car, and plenty cannon, and not plenty boat.

So even without 900,000 soldiers and more that can be summoned (though I won't for costs), I could still defeat you. Of course, such a thing would lead to you releasing your weapons of mass destruction on my civilian population and cause millions upon millions of deaths and earn you international scorn except perhaps from your friends in America...

Not to mention getting attacked by his friends in the Moral High Ground Brigade.


All over the PCU:

Union combat units an Alberta and the north moved to push south, with the rest shoving east. Primarily an armoured offensive, with infantry being as careful as possible. CAS planes and attack helicopters went after enemy tanks, with AAA being relegated to the Wild Weasel F-35s in the reserves.

First off, they were forced to halt when the WC began blanketing the area with artillery fire. The Wild Weasels were more than busy, having attracted the attention of hundreds of various AA units. Then, the WC ground troops began a general advance, with the two sides running into each other. In general, the result was one frak of a mess; CAS planes flying about shooting at each other and anything that moved, artillery busy with counter battery fire and counter-counter battery fire, etcetera.
Around 40% casualties for both sides, with the Union losing quite a few AA vehicles and the PCU developing a sudden dearth of CAS aircraft.

Between the two WC assault forces, a unit comparable to a reinforced old Alenian mechanized infantry company tried to push northwest, managing to move 40 kilometres under heavy artillery cover. 10% losses were sustained, mainly due to minefields and the odd ambush. Other than that, the area they attacked was close to undefended, so PCU losses aren't too bad either. One or two armoured platoons, a couple infantry platoons and two attack helicopters.


As well: EC artillery liberally hurled incendiary and explosive shells all over the Cascades, with cruise missiles being used to set off avalanches. Other artillery units plastered suspected SAM sites, paving the way for five squadrons worth of miscellanious ground attack aircraft to strike at ground positions, priority being given to artillery and tanks. Numerous UAVs flew around at low altitude, taking pot shots at anything smaller than a HAT-1. Several dozen were downed by ground fire, along with 6 A-10s and a pair of Texas class aircraft. 3 more A-10s crashed while limping back to base, and a Texas dug a furrow in the tarmac when its nosewheel failed to deploy. 19 pilots managed to escape their aircraft, with 4 more in the hands of the PCU. EC troops stayed on low ground, not entering the mountains, despite sporadic sniper fire. Several of the aforementioned ground attack aircraft napalmed infantry positions in forests, along with artillery rockets similarly loaded landing in more entrenched locales further into the mountains. ~100 EC snipers had a go at the Union infantry, killing off a few squads and a handful of officers but not much more. 8 snipers were killed by machinegun and rifle fire, 3 were offed by mortars and 17 were disposed of by countersnipers. All told, the PCU took moderate casualties, and the EC took relatively light losses.

As well as that, a squadron or so of Alaskan mercs roved the skies over the battlefield looking for PCU interceptors, but since Union aircraft were busy elsewhere, none showed up.

Other than that, fairly significant numbers of EC aircraft went deep into PCU territory hoping to exacerbate things behind the lines, but took 28% casualties from SAM and AAA positions on the ground. Most of the pilots ejected, but were captured on the ground. No doubt any Alaskan mercenaries among them will be promptly shot and mailed back to their families in very small boxes. On the other hand, the EC now has approximate positions for quite a few more aerial defense sites.


In the PCU: rumours and anecdotal reports seem to indicate some serious insubordination issues, including officers being shot by their own men. Whether this is the genuine article or not is debatable so far.

In the WC: protests continue, and while in some areas they seem to be losing steam, in others they're just getting more active. It seems odd that peace protestors would start riots, but there they are.

Police in Idaho confiscated thousands of small arms from citizens, taking names and phone numbers with the claim of intending to return them after the war. Some of them were killed by PCU supporters, however. Exact numbers are unknown, but twelve officers are unaccounted for as of this moment.
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| March 10, 2011, 12:21 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Who said I was using just soldiers? I have plenty aircraft, and more on the way. I also have plenty tank, and plenty car, and plenty cannon, and not plenty boat.

So even without 900,000 soldiers and more that can be summoned (though I won't for costs), I could still defeat you. Of course, such a thing would lead to you releasing your weapons of mass destruction on my civilian population and cause millions upon millions of deaths and earn you international scorn except perhaps from your friends in America...

Yeah I know I couldn't defeat you (unless I had Mark Kelso's building skills and legos) I was just saying that soldiers aren't everything, far from it, vehicles do way more damage.

As for my weapon, I would only release it if someone else already did kill my civillions (my new word for millions of civilians).
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| March 10, 2011, 12:24 am
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Quoting Areetsa C


Hmm... Are you sure you got my orders? Or are you just grouping me under "PCU" now? Also, who is this "Union?"
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| March 10, 2011, 12:34 am
Hey Areetsa, did my sneaky plans work? Also, where were my A7s?
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| March 10, 2011, 12:37 am
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Arty, I forgot to tell you that I was staying on the defensive in the north...

Oh, well. It worked! I'll take any success I can get!


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| March 10, 2011, 12:42 am
I guess there's gonna be more to the CR, because pretty much every part of my combat orders were missing...
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| March 10, 2011, 1:31 am
Yo Areetsa?...
Day 3 ...?
The CR?

I'm not pressurizing you to post it, I just wondered when you're gonna post it... And what you've posted so far isn't the complete CR, because it's missing Awe's and My orders...
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| March 10, 2011, 3:56 am
I can't wait up for matt ;p...

I will begin construction of a naval base on the eastern side of madagascar. Two drydocks and one large harbor will be made. I end all other military projects except Project alpha.
that means I will stop producing all vehicles. my southern wall will cease for the moment as well.

In other news, a huge diamond mine was found in southern angola. and the oil rigs are doin' great. the new mine opens up jobs too. My economy is taking a turn for the better. but we will keep striving to improve it.
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| March 10, 2011, 6:54 am
Yea, most of Awe's orders were gone.


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| March 10, 2011, 8:40 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Quoting Matt Hacker

I laugh because now Henry will clearly attack you, since you were "attacking" Jack, who is Ultra's ally, who is in turn Henry's ally. Just sayin' (and he seems to be out for you).


We're hackers of fortune. We do as we please as long as we get the money...

Watch your step. I'm not afraid to play rough.
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| March 10, 2011, 2:33 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Watch your step. I'm not afraid to play rough.


None of us are, Mr. Mercenary.
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| March 10, 2011, 6:32 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hmm... Are you sure you got my orders? Or are you just grouping me under "PCU" now? Also, who is this "Union?"

Quoting Danny Morgan
Hey Areetsa, did my sneaky plans work? Also, where were my A7s?


This is the last bit of the FIRST CR. I'll start on the next one eventually.
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| March 10, 2011, 7:06 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

None of us are, Mr. Mercenary.

And why does that matter to you? My pilots are free to make money as they chose. Being paid by another government is better than being payed by mine.
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| March 10, 2011, 7:32 pm
There is the minor fact that mercs aren't included in the Geneva Conventions.

So if Nick wants to shoot some of your captured mercs, it's fully legal by international law.
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| March 10, 2011, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
And why does that matter to you? My pilots are free to make money as they chose. Being paid by another government is better than being payed by mine.


Just remember, when you start fighting for money, you can be just as easily swayed by money...

Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Danny Morgan
Hey Areetsa, did my sneaky plans work? Also, where were my A7s?


This is the last bit of the FIRST CR. I'll start on the next one eventually.


Makes sense.
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| March 10, 2011, 8:18 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
There is the minor fact that mercs aren't included in the Geneva Conventions.

So if Nick wants to shoot some of your captured mercs, it's fully legal by international law.

We'll do more than that.
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| March 10, 2011, 8:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Just remember, when you start fighting for money, you can be just as easily swayed by money...

And if there's anything the PCU has lots of...

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| March 10, 2011, 8:55 pm
Areetsa, I don't like the fact told Nick my plans. that is not how combat modding works.
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| March 10, 2011, 9:19 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
There is the minor fact that mercs aren't included in the Geneva Conventions.

So if Nick wants to shoot some of your captured mercs, it's fully legal by international law.
If he feels like executing them, he can. It merely gives me good reason to attack full force. At the moment, I have very few aircraft over the field, and on paper they're in EC/WC possesion. That will change if Alaskan pilots start being executed. Trust me Nick, you don't want that to happen.

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| March 10, 2011, 9:46 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Areetsa C
There is the minor fact that mercs aren't included in the Geneva Conventions.

So if Nick wants to shoot some of your captured mercs, it's fully legal by international law.
If he feels like executing them, he can. It merely gives us good reason to attack full force. At the moment, we have very few aircraft over the field. That will change if Alaskan pilots start being executed.

I like how you said that you wouldn't fight me, and then you send planes to fight me.

Honorable, just like the rest of your allies.
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| March 10, 2011, 9:51 pm
ok, It might not have been Areetsa, in fact this problem only occurred when I posted my Combat Orders to the D&L (Flickr) private group, so we could have a spy in the group...
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| March 10, 2011, 9:53 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I like how you said that you wouldn't fight me, and then you send planes to fight me.

Honorable, just like the rest of your allies.


Very honorable. At least when I make a deal, I stick to it, or I don't make a deal at all.
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| March 10, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I like how you said that you wouldn't fight me, and then you send planes to fight me.

Honorable, just like the rest of your allies.

I suppose you're probably also offended that I continue to trade with the WC and Brazil as well? The Alaskan Government hasn't paid these pilots to go to combat, these are hot shots who want combat experience and found a way to get it. Technically, they're Confederation residents right now, as the Confederate militaries most likely require residency. As far as Alaska government is concerned, these men are on vacation, enjoying their fun and not getting their paychecks. We have no hesitations with renting aircraft in small numbers out to our allies either.

"Honor" = invade your neighboring country unprovoked and bomb his civilians? I view my actions as honorable as yours.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:00 pm
Quoting Jack Ford

"Honor" = invade your neighboring country unprovoked and bomb his civilians? I view my actions as honorable as yours.

Um... I believe that it was the WC that invaded the PCU first (in all three conflicts), not vice versa...
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| March 10, 2011, 10:03 pm
BREAKING NEWS UPDATE:

I had no knowledge that John Dawn was in the D&L America group on Flickr. He is spy for the PCU (I knew this when I was the Indo Union) and he is the one leaking my combat orders to the PCU. He has probably told Awe and Nick all of our (team WC's) combat orders to Nick and Awe.

Please, for G-d's sake, kick him (from the Flcikr WC private group), and change all of your combat orders. Your orders have been compromised.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
"Honor" = invade your neighboring country unprovoked and bomb his civilians? I view my actions as honorable as yours.


You forgot the part when they reduced half of Portland to rubble, or something alone those lines.

Anyways, China intends to fight a clean war. We have no wish for going beyond the defense of our allies. Target my civilians, and I will not target yours. Unless it's by biological weapons, I have a problem with those.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Okay... not sure what that was supposed to mean...

It means your comment confirmed my beliefs.
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Having Dawn compromised gives us just as much of an advantage as if he weren't, if you think about it.


See this?
More confirmation!


btw I didn't double post, someone deleted Cliffe's comment so my two comments come one after the other.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:21 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
I'd say good planning on Dawn's part, and ignorance on the WC's part. Good for you Dawn, good for you...

I didn't even realize he was in the group. I knew from when I was the Indo-Union way back that he was working for the PCU. He even wanted to become a part of it, but Nick wouldn't let him.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:32 pm
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The UNC would is proud to announce phase two of our anti-satellite system. Phase 1's major success last month has encouraged military planners to actively deny hostile's satellite capabilities (in a time of war). This phase two also seeks to combine the anti ballistic shipping missile, anti ICBM, and anti satellite missile programs into a single command, ideally with one interceptor weapon each, to ensure maximum overall preparedness.

Due to the recent emergency sale of MBTs to the WC, an additional 100 tanks have been ordered to replace what was "sold" to the WC in what is being called "wost deal of the century." Oh well.

With that being said, the Allegiance destroyers (2) are at 75% completion, while the Type-2 cruisers are at roughly 60% completion.

As part of our continued joint development of advanced individual combat systems with the Russians have yielded a breakthrough after several months of development in the form of the first visor mounted HUD to be deployed to any units. More into this tech later.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I didn't even realize he was in the group. I knew from when I was the Indo-Union way back that he was working for the PCU.

And who hasn't?

Quoting Danny Morgan He even wanted to become a part of it, but Nick wouldn't let him.
I was reaching a point at which I barely had time to sleep let alone power up a computer.

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| March 10, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The situation in Canada is being looked at in detail. Reports from the commanders and intelligence sources are being combed to see why the previous offensives were not successful; yet a defensive measure carried the day 'accidentally' when the enemy simply exhausted themselves on our defenses. Implementation of certain aspects of this plan are being looked into to plan for future.

With the inevitable demise of the PCU in the face of more and more opposition, and with alliance forces gaining momentum, plans for the integration of the PCU citizenry are being discussed. It will be a delicate situation at best. Some of the WC state governors have been consulted (the envoys from Idaho included), and it seems to be their opinion that the Western Confederation has grown (or will grow) beyond the capabilities of the High Command; which was only established as a way to unite a collaboration of disjointed states as a form of mutual protection. Then, it dealt with a mainly militaristic situation and population. Now, it is dealing with an area no military body was meant to rule. Though it is in the past, the civilian government is not at all 'ok' with the bombings of Japan, feeling that it not only made the country look bad, but used valuable resources potentially needed elsewhere and a waste of strategic arms. The WCHC is actually (though with a couple holdouts) seriously believing that the transition is a good thing, and some are welcoming it. In the words of one: "I knew how to give orders for soldiers to follow, and I am a good leader, but I lack the knowledge and expertize of how to deal with delicate civilian affairs. I look forward to going back to my men, personally speaking." Though a few dissenters believe that the WC is not ready to exist outside the bonds that tied it together in the first place. An agreement can and will be reached.

Quoting Nick Shelton
We'll do more than that.

The Western Confederation expresses its concern that pilots, regardless of nationality, will be treated with such malice. The WC operates a number of purchased and manufactured aircraft of Alaskan design. We will be affixing a blue five-point star to the uniforms of these pilots to serve as rock-solid identification of our nation.

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| March 10, 2011, 10:38 pm
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Secret unleashed!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5516098565/

We have several of these. And by several, I mean over a hundred. Been working on them for a while, you know.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:39 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Danny Morgan
I didn't even realize he was in the group. I knew from when I was the Indo-Union way back that he was working for the PCU.

And who hasn't?

Quoting Danny Morgan He even wanted to become a part of it, but Nick wouldn't let him.
I was reaching a point at which I barely had time to sleep let alone power up a computer.

Nick wouldn't go and tell his enemies that you were working for him, so i was the only one on my side that knew, but I didn't think you were any threat. Like I said, If I'd known sooner that you were part of the Flickr group...
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| March 10, 2011, 10:39 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
I was reaching a point at which I barely had time to sleep let alone power up a computer.

John, I gotta tell you man, it kinda hurts me. I mean, we're a part of the same union here, and you have to go and stab people in the back. I won't fight you, I will stick to our agreement unless you break it; because I have honor.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Um... I believe that it was the WC that invaded the PCU first (in all three conflicts), not vice versa...

3 conflicts, what? Actually, the PCU drew first blood at Midway and then drew the "I don't want a war on the continent card," thank you.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:48 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
because I have honor.

I laughed. So hard. At this statement.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Nick wouldn't go and tell his enemies that you were working for him, so i was the only one on my side that knew, but I didn't think you were any threat. Like I said, If I'd known sooner that you were part of the Flickr group...
And THATS the problem, EVERYONE is a threat. Cliffe can tell you that much from an incident in the RA-CAS-UEN.

Quoting Ultramarine .
John, I gotta tell you man, it kinda hurts me. I mean, we're a part of the same union here, and you have to go and stab people in the back. I won't fight you, I will stick to our agreement unless you break it; because I have honor.

Duly noted.

Is it possible to succeed without any act of betrayal?
Jean Renoir

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| March 10, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
And THATS the problem, EVERYONE is a threat. Cliffe can tell you that much from an incident in the RA-CAS-UEN.


Oh, the betrayals, oh, the memories! What times those were! Until the super alliances made it boring.
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| March 10, 2011, 10:55 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Quoting Danny Morgan
Nick wouldn't go and tell his enemies that you were working for him, so i was the only one on my side that knew, but I didn't think you were any threat. Like I said, If I'd known sooner that you were part of the Flickr group...
And THATS the problem, EVERYONE is a threat. Cliffe can tell you that much from an incident in the RA-CAS-UEN.

tell that (that I'm a threat) to Nick and Awe. They don't think so...
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| March 10, 2011, 10:55 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I laughed. So hard. At this statement.

Nick talks in Staccatos? Music humor FTW!
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| March 10, 2011, 10:57 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
tell that (that I'm a threat) to Nick and Awe. They don't think so...

Or do they?

>.>

<.<
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| March 10, 2011, 10:59 pm
Quoting John Dawn
Duly noted.

Is it possible to succeed without any act of betrayal?
Jean Renoir

/remembers the epic backstabbings
/eyes go cold and empty
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| March 10, 2011, 11:01 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Um... I believe that it was the WC that invaded the PCU first (in all three conflicts), not vice versa...

The WC merely continued a former war. The American Civil War began when the PCU attacked Ketchikan unprovoked, then was promptly attacked by the WC and Brazil and myself. We came to a cease-fire, which gave the WC and Brazil the time to organize a good invasion without the bother of constant fire from the PCU. I chose not to get involved mainly for economy reasons and that I'd signed a cease fire. Until that treaty is broken, I have no intention of attacking the PCU.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You forgot the part when they reduced half of Portland to rubble, or something alone those lines.

Anyways, China intends to fight a clean war. We have no wish for going beyond the defense of our allies. Target my civilians, and I will not target yours. Unless it's by biological weapons, I have a problem with those.

Unless circumstances dictate otherwise, I'm remaining in a state of military neutrality. Aircraft in immediate Alaskan service will not fire upon PCU positions unless they violate Alaskan airspace. We've been hit unprepared once, it won't happen again, but you can rest assure that I won't take military action unless given a good reason.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:02 pm
I am leaving tomorrow early in the morning for Wasthington D.C. I will have my Nintendo DSi with me, and may get wifi and thus internet. I may also get a computer. However, I'm not too sure how much time I'll get, so I'll leave my boys in the hands of a Chinese commander in case any combat plans need to be made.

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| March 10, 2011, 11:08 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I am leaving tomorrow early in the morning for Wasthington D.C. I will have my Nintendo DSi with me, and may get wifi and thus internet. I may also get a computer. However, I'm not too sure how much time I'll get, so I'll leave my boys in the hands of a Chinese commander in case any combat plans need to be made.

Boy Scout trip?

Dulles air and space always good, If you pass Quantico Marine Corp. Museum.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:11 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I am leaving tomorrow early in the morning for Wasthington D.C. I will have my Nintendo DSi with me, and may get wifi and thus internet. I may also get a computer. However, I'm not too sure how much time I'll get, so I'll leave my boys in the hands of a Chinese commander in case any combat plans need to be made.


And that gives me full control of Spanish and Egyptian forces in addition to my own...

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| March 10, 2011, 11:12 pm
hey Areetsa, any idea when the CR is, because I still need to write up my alternate combat orders. I think all of us do.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:16 pm
The Alaskan Government wishes to inform the PCU and co. that Alaska still remains neutral in terms of military action, but we are not going to be caught unprepared. We do not wish for war, but we've still got the economy to counter-attack with efficiency. Attacking me now is not a wise choice.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
hey Areetsa, any idea when the CR is, because I still need to write up my alternate combat orders. I think all of us do.

@ Areetsa, don't even try putting out a CR before they've been able to skirt around their problem, otherwise they'll cry "BIASED!!11!!!1!!111!" and you'll never here the end of it.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:25 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
hey Areetsa, any idea when the CR is, because I still need to write up my alternate combat orders. I think all of us do.

In a couple of days.

Oh, and extra bits: it looks like part of it somehow got deleted.

Anyway: a quantity of Egyptian fighters flew into WC territory. Half were shot down. Objectives = not known due to the pilots having a habit of map burning. WC missiles launched at PCU production sites. 3 factories destroyed, 2 rendered temporarily nonfunctional, 1 missing its east wing. WC missile sites attacked by unknown forces: 4 temporarily out of commission, 1 blown up completely, 1 with its control room destroyed, 2 more fended off the attack. Identities of the attackers are not known beyond "durr, I guess they look foreign I think".


Okay, my Flickr inbox is completely flooded, so if you want to make sure something gets included, I'd suggest you send it again in a single mail. Call it something like "For CR#2" so I can figure out which are new and which are.

Many thanks in advance.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:28 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Okay, my Flickr inbox is completely flooded, so if you want to make sure something gets included, I'd suggest you send it again in a single mail. Call it something like "For CR#2" so I can figure out which are new and which are.

Many thanks in advance.

You got it, chief! I don't know if this will help, but I take what I get in FMs and copy them into a word document.

Since the situation has obviously changed quite a bit (including great successes where I didn't think they would be), I will be changing a few things.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You got it, chief! I don't know if this will help, but I take what I get in FMs and copy them into a word document.

Since the situation has obviously changed quite a bit (including great successes where I didn't think they would be), I will be changing a few things.

I'd change everything if I were you, start afresh, with completely new tactics and objectives.
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| March 10, 2011, 11:43 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I'd change everything if I were you, start afresh, with completely new tactics and objectives.

Thanks to the very fluid nature of war, circumstances were taken care of for me as it turns out.

Plus, we received advance notice of certain things; works both ways, you see.
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| March 11, 2011, 1:32 am
Quoting Ultramarine .

Plus, we received advance notice of certain things; works both ways, you see.

Do elaborate in the John-Dawn-Free private group will you?
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| March 11, 2011, 2:52 am
Quoting Thomas N
@ Areetsa, don't even try putting out a CR before they've been able to skirt around their problem, otherwise they'll cry "BIASED!!11!!!1!!111!" and you'll never here the end of it.

Which problem is that?
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| March 11, 2011, 2:55 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Which problem is that?

Tom was referring to us all having to change our Combat Orders because of the Dawn Spy. Btw sorry for originally accusing you of telling Nick my orders, at the time I couldn't think who else could have told him my secret orders.
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| March 11, 2011, 2:59 am
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The situation on the continent has grown...complicated. The war will still be won, there is no doubt of that. Unfortunately, it will perhaps drag on.

The Guatemalan AF has abandoned the construction of the F-29, citing reasons such as cost and technological complexity. Retroactively, they will be manufacturing an A-4 Skyhawk variant provided by the WC. It will be called the F-1 El Oscuro Diablo or "The Dark Devil." (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46934040@N05/4895464155/) It's significantly cheaper, and has a good top speed, and it can conduct BVR missions. Also, it uses the same engine as the Mig-60, making the production of both slightly faster and cheaper. They have 5 right now, and more on the way.

Quoting Areetsa C

Any chance you might post a map of the current situation like Tom? If not, I understand.

Quoting Evan Melick
Just thought I would insert this IRL plug here to say God Bless Japan. D:

Indeed.
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| March 11, 2011, 12:49 pm
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Baltic News:

In Poland, the long-sitting president has promised to his crazed citizens that he is going to step down within the month. The most likely candidate to replace him would be Adamczyk Lewandowski, a new nationalistic Polish political figure who has gained popularity as a result of the recession in Poland. He pans to make Poland the "Power we were always destined to be" and to "take on the evil empire to our west and north!".

Clearly, this rising candidate confirms the Baltic Union's fears that a new Polish government may wish to make demands of us and even challenge us. We continue to send in daily reminders that cooperation could end all of their problems, but the Polish Presidency (soon to be departed) is now in now position to make concessions to us. Facing pressure from both without and within, he can not hope to win, so he has decided to step down.

The possibility of whether or not Poland may become a threat under the next president is being assessed.


The organization schemes of the Army are almost complete. Now all that remains to do is forming logistical and aerial complements to our 20 newly formed divisions.

Once the organization is fully complete, all divisions will enter an organized training and exercise schedule.


Production of everything, military and economic, continues right on schedule. The clock is ticking down to the official release of B.N.S. Amsterdam, and recruits for the ship's inaugural crew have already begun.
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| March 11, 2011, 5:37 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Just thought I would insert this IRL plug here to say God Bless Japan. D:

My teacher showed us pictures. Sad.
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| March 11, 2011, 5:38 pm
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The UNC has become quite concerned about the B.U's continued economic warfare with Poland, and we are disgusted by the obvious overthrow attempt of a peaceful government. We remind them that such a nationalist power would not have risen up had you not attempted to cause massive economic damage.

That being said, we are still willing to run the military exercises with them, a date has been set for Monday, March 14.


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| March 11, 2011, 5:57 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
The UNC has become quite concerned about the B.U's continued economic warfare with Poland, and we are disgusted by the obvious overthrow attempt of a peaceful government. We remind them that such a nationalist power would not have risen up had you not attempted to cause massive economic damage.

That being said, we are still willing to run the military exercises with them, a date has been set for Monday, March 14.


Make no mistake, all of Poland's woes, from their economic situation to the rioting that is now forcing the President to resign, have been caused by their refusal to cooperate in the investigation of their group of citizens who killed three border policemen in their attempt to run drugs into the Baltic Union.

Poland needs to understand that if they refuse to prosecute their citizens for an international offense, then they can and will be held accountable for their actions.

Whether it takes an economic slide and mass riots for them to learn what is expected of them in the international community is their own problem.
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| March 11, 2011, 8:57 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

I'm not sure about the map. I'm not totally sure about a lot of things, in fact, including exact positions of units in general.
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| March 11, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I'm not sure about the map. I'm not totally sure about a lot of things, in fact, including exact positions of units in general.

As long as they're stabbing into the heart of the PCU, I'm good.
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| March 11, 2011, 11:10 pm
Deep in the forges of the Wolf's Den, a new fighter plane has been pitched. >.>
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| March 12, 2011, 11:25 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Deep in the forges of the Wolf's Den, a new fighter plane has been pitched. >.>

I'll knock it out of the park...
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| March 12, 2011, 7:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'll knock it out of the park...

There's a difference in an air superiority fighter and just a normal fighter.
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| March 12, 2011, 9:38 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
There's a difference in an air superiority fighter and just a normal fighter.

Good luck getting anywhere with that in the short amount of time you have left and 6.5 fewer factories to do it with; if I read the CR correctly.
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| March 12, 2011, 9:52 pm
This afternoon, El Presidente was browsing through his film collection when he came across an old copy of Battle: Las Angeles; upon watching the movie, he deemed that it was of utmost importance that the CDC begin developing contingency plans for an alien invasion (regardless of the probability of such an event). He also made a statement urging the EC, WC, and PCU (or whoever controls NASA, if it is still around, which I think is unlikely), to stop sending signals into space. Citing several major motion pictures, and Stephen Hawkings, that we shouldn't provoke things that we don't know anything about, just yet.
So yeah, Battle LA was pretty epic.
Also, the CDC would love to extend a helping hand to our Allies in the Americas and Brazil to make use of our uneffected production industry to make materials for the war effort, for a small fee.
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| March 12, 2011, 10:12 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Battle: Los Angeles

Was a good movie in that things got blown up, but there was no story to the ting at all.

And I'll send signals into space all I want. Christopher promised Wikus three years, and I hold him to that promise every day.
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| March 12, 2011, 10:21 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Also, the CDC would love to extend a helping hand to our Allies in the Americas and Brazil to make use of our uneffected production industry to make materials for the war effort, for a small fee.

That's why we have SETI, and yes, that's me. However, aliens don't factor into this game, thank goodness.

Let's talk, via FM...
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| March 12, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
This afternoon, El Presidente was browsing through his film collection when he came across an old copy of Battle: Las Angeles; upon watching the movie, he deemed that it was of utmost importance that the CDC begin developing contingency plans for an alien invasion (regardless of the probability of such an event). He also made a statement urging the EC, WC, and PCU (or whoever controls NASA, if it is still around, which I think is unlikely), to stop sending signals into space. Citing several major motion pictures, and Stephen Hawkings, that we shouldn't provoke things that we don't know anything about, just yet.


Our friends on the other side took care of everything in that area of matters. No need to be worried yet.

Today in China:
Stuff happened, too lazy to write about it.
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| March 12, 2011, 10:29 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting -> avalella
Battle: Los Angeles

Was a good movie in that things got blown up, but there was no story to the ting at all.

And I'll send signals into space all I want. Christopher promised Wikus three years, and I hold him to that promise every day.

I believe that would be Henry's job... Do you know if there will be a sequel? One of my favorite of all time.
OF ALL TIME.
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| March 12, 2011, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting -> avalella
Battle: Los Angeles

Was a good movie in that things got blown up, but there was no story to the ting at all.

And I'll send signals into space all I want. Christopher promised Wikus three years, and I hold him to that promise every day.


Pretty much. It was D9 without good acting and dialogue. It was still entertaining, which is more than I was expecting from the reviews. And I too wait for Christopher's return.
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| March 12, 2011, 11:12 pm
Over in Alenia, we've spent the last 5 years transmitting "come and get us, you frakkers" and "yeah, WE'RE the ones who keep broadcasting Hannah Montana reruns" into the aether with our space communication systems since Baikonur went out of commission. Then we stopped because we regained the ability to launch spacecraft, then we started again because we promptly misplaced that capability. So if you guys get invaded by aliens/nuked by Cylons, blame the WC.
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| March 12, 2011, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
"yeah, WE'RE the ones who keep broadcasting Hannah Montana reruns"

Oh, do you want to tease them a little more? Offer them steak, why don't you?! Hehe, we're officially dead, thanks.
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| March 12, 2011, 11:20 pm
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You're all acting under the misconception that the aliens haven't found us yet, and are not here already.

/trollface
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| March 12, 2011, 11:24 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh, do you want to tease them a little more? Offer them steak, why don't you?! Hehe, we're officially dead, thanks.

Well, as I said in my edit, if you guys get invaded by aliens/nuked by Cylons, it's the WC's fault.

Partly the WC's fault.

Sort of the WC's fault.

Something like that.
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| March 12, 2011, 11:24 pm
Yo Areetsa, there gonna be a CR tonight?
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| March 12, 2011, 11:29 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, as I said in my edit, if you guys get invaded by aliens/nuked by Cylons, it's the WC's fault.

Partly the WC's fault.

Sort of the WC's fault.

Something like that.

Well, since it'll be the end of the world and no one will care, then I shall take the blame.
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| March 12, 2011, 11:32 pm
Things are going great here in the nation's capital! (It's nice to be in your country, Dawn- lulz). Went to the zoo today and a Russian-American couple's house (friends of my father). Saw and heard many great things.

In Egypt-

The solar farm in the Western Desert is nearing 70% completion. Our first algae farm and our first biofuels farm have been 100% completed. Harvesting of the energy from the algae has begun, and testing of the energy will soon follow.

Military vehicle production goes well, with many young men and women entering the wartime labor force. The war has brought jobs to many previously homeless citizens, and may give the economy a boost- or, Aten forbit, a bust.

P.S.- the tragedy in Japan depresses me to such an extent that at one point I nearly vomited. NOT kidding. May they be blessed and saved.
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| March 12, 2011, 11:32 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5522105706/

Straight out of Wolf's Den, we keepin it real. Gonna have an air-to-ground battle that makes the Generals squeal.

The PCU has revealed a new fighter, built primarily for export. On the other side of the nose is an M61, used in favor of the GAU-8s space-eating ability.
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| March 13, 2011, 3:22 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
P.S.- the tragedy in Japan depresses me to such an extent that at one point I nearly vomited. NOT kidding. May they be blessed and saved.

Aren't you an atheist?

Quoting Nick Shelton
Yo Areetsa, there gonna be a CR tonight?

Waiting for a few more orders. I'll probably start writing anyway tomorrow, but I've been having connection issues. You can tell by the Kleinpanzer uploads; at the start, they all went up around the same time each day, but these last few days they've been coming later and later. Thanks to my frakker of an ISP.
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| March 13, 2011, 5:35 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Aren't you an atheist?

That would probably be why he didn't say: "God Bless" like everyone else did.

Quoting Nick Shelton
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5522105706/

Straight out of Wolf's Den, we keepin it real. Gonna have an air-to-ground battle that makes the Generals squeal.

The PCU has revealed a new fighter, built primarily for export. On the other side of the nose is an M61, used in favor of the GAU-8s space-eating ability.

I'd like to see you produce even one of those things before this war is over with 6-10 fewer factories (Combined with what I took out under Tom's CMing) and the state your economy is in right now (The toilet, if I recall your own admission correctly). If I were you, I'd focus on your current types instead of wasting valuable time and resources on something you'll never get done.
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| March 13, 2011, 1:49 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Aren't you an atheist?


I think Cliffe is with Aten, though if he's legit about it, or if he's with Aten the same way I'm with Inglip-Caupo, I can't say.
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| March 13, 2011, 3:39 pm
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Unfortunately for the Russian Federation, we have noted that quite a number of arms have been stolen from disabled convoy vehicles involved in the recently dissolved war in Crimea. The items taken range from assault rifles to mortars, MGs to AAA, and everything in between. We're quite disappointed in the fact that we just promoted armed violence in "mainland" Ukraine. Presently, some flak has been coming our way, but not much granted the Ukrainian government is in near-collapse.

On note of the later, the Union State [in cooperation with pro-Russian officials within Ukraine] has imposed a security legislation further allowing our military forces to restore order near the border provinces of Ukraine. We have noted a large increase in unwanted persons pressing through Union State borders, which is something we do not desire at all after just ending a war with secessionists and other extremists. The presently involved security zones stretch into the areas of Kharkiv, Sumy, Rivne, Chernihiv, and Volyn. Although parts of the nationalist parties and all of the pro-Byzantine parties of Ukraine are quite displeased with this occupation, there isn't much they can do about it with their own military and police forces pressed down in Kiev. Our security forces are minimally armed as to not make this appear as a conquering so much as a exhibition of neighboring power and the repercussions that will follow suite if destabilization occurs.

Still within the political realm of destabilization, the nation of Azerbaijan is direly pressing military liberation of Nagorny-Karabakh. We expect this verbal assault to have been sparked by the recent war in Iran and die-hard nationalism spanning several decades. This is serious cause for alarm within Russia granted this could provoke more radicals to rise up within our Caucasus states and/or give the anti-interventionist within our government fuel to have our forces withdraw their support of the Saudis. At this time, we back neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan; therefore, we are willing to hold negotiations before any blood is shed. Neither nation has responded yet.

In other news, the installation of modular aircraft pilot interfaces goes well. All active air vehicles have been equipped with these new piloting systems and thus all active squadrons are being trained in-rotation on how to use these new kits. We expect the training exercises to be short due to the fact that its all wire-oriented and is like operating a computer tablet; quite simple.

APS production continues along with all manufactured pieces being fit on vehicles awaiting active rotation. Although this seems like a faulty move granted local regions have recently gotten ahold of some contemporary weaponry with our stamps on them, we believe this is the only cost-effective means of operation that doesn't require re-routing logistics. Plus, it should only be four weeks until rotation occurs.

All Mistral-class vessels have been re-fitted with more contemporary technologies. This now means our amphibious capabilities are fairly on-par with the rest of the world and we no longer lack the ability to bite from the littoral zones. This is rather appropriate timing granted our second aircraft carrier was also released from the drydocks. Within the next three weeks or so, we shall be holding our own set of naval exercises seeing as though we could not attend the ones presently being hosted by our Nordic neighbors.

The Russian Federation is also toying with drop-and-go air defense measures. This will be integrated with our mobile defense flexibility doctrine in which case emphasizes temporary and highly-mobile offensive and defensive systems to replace permanent defense solutions like bunkers and things of that nature. Anyhow, the idea is just to research more Phalanx-esque systems to neutralize low-flying airframes and more mid-altitude missile systems to give an extra hand in maintaining air superiority.

Speaking of the latter, air security near our border[s] with Alenia has been increased dramatically. We were rather passive with this beforehand with mere UAV reconnaissance taking notes every-so-often, but now that said state is being defensive over Iran, we can't help but to throw a few birds near the rather large political boundary. This is by no means an instigation of aggression, but we mean to meet the outcry for blood if push comes to shove.

Finally, talks with Belarus are near-conclusive. This meaning that the involved states are at the point of signing the papers for full federal integration. After decades of formal and informal appeal, we hope to finally have a unified government. Within the next month and a half, minute joint strategies in the form of a new currency and the like should be taking place to make this victory tangible.
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| March 13, 2011, 4:35 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Within the next three weeks or so, we shall be holding our own set of naval exercises seeing as though we could not attend the ones presently being hosted by our Nordic neighbors.


The exercises begin tomorrow if the Russian military so desires to join. If your exercises are open to other nations, the UNC navy and airforce would like to attend to test our expeditionary abilities.
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| March 13, 2011, 5:07 pm
today in the RAS...

the naval base in madagascar is pretty much finished. except for two of our three dry docks, the barracks area, and three of the five air strips. now we just need something to fill it...

<.<

>.>
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| March 13, 2011, 5:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Quoting Nick Shelton
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5522105706/

Straight out of Wolf's Den, we keepin it real. Gonna have an air-to-ground battle that makes the Generals squeal.

The PCU has revealed a new fighter, built primarily for export. On the other side of the nose is an M61, used in favor of the GAU-8s space-eating ability.

I'd like to see you produce even one of those things before this war is over with 6-10 fewer factories (Combined with what I took out under Tom's CMing) and the state your economy is in right now (The toilet, if I recall your own admission correctly). If I were you, I'd focus on your current types instead of wasting valuable time and resources on something you'll never get done.

I don't plan on losing anytime soon, I have all the time in the world. And to solve the factory problem, numerous countries have pledged their factories towards my machines if it has to come to that.
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| March 13, 2011, 5:44 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton I don't plan on losing anytime soon, I have all the time in the world. And to solve the factory problem, numerous countries have pledged their factories towards my machines if it has to come to that.

Sorry to break it to you Cap'n optimism, but you ARE losing.
Sure, all of Cliffe's nicely concentrated by the mouth of the Nile, and Awe's half a world away. Good luck getting ANYTHING through.
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| March 13, 2011, 6:03 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Quoting Nick Shelton I don't plan on losing anytime soon, I have all the time in the world. And to solve the factory problem, numerous countries have pledged their factories towards my machines if it has to come to that.

Sorry to break it to you Cap'n optimism, but you ARE losing.
Sure, all of Cliffe's nicely concentrated by the mouth of the Nile, and Awe's half a world away. Good luck getting ANYTHING through.

If you think harsh words about the state of my defense will crash my confidence in my men, you are strongly mistaken. They've been drilled their whole lives for this.

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| March 13, 2011, 6:18 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Brikkr ™
Quoting Nick Shelton I don't plan on losing anytime soon, I have all the time in the world. And to solve the factory problem, numerous countries have pledged their factories towards my machines if it has to come to that.

Sorry to break it to you Cap'n optimism, but you ARE losing.
Sure, all of Cliffe's nicely concentrated by the mouth of the Nile, and Awe's half a world away. Good luck getting ANYTHING through.

If you think harsh words about the state of my defense will crash my confidence in my men, you are strongly mistaken. They've been drilled their whole lives for this.

Oh, yeah of course. Since 2012...
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| March 13, 2011, 6:29 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Oh, yeah of course. Since 2012...

*2014.


And all the soldiers in the army now weren't around then unless they're higher ranked.
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| March 13, 2011, 6:31 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
*2014.


And all the soldiers in the army now weren't around then unless they're higher ranked.

You might want to have another discussion with Dr. Spontaneous before you say you've had specially trained soldiers for the PCU since 2014...
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| March 13, 2011, 6:36 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
You might want to have another discussion with Dr. Spontaneous before you say you've had specially trained soldiers for the PCU since 2014...

Did you not read my comment?!

I said that no one in my Army as of March 13th, 2037 was around March 14th, 2014 (Independence Day is tomorrow!) unless they are now Colonels and higher. Everyone in the Army/Marines now was born between 2017 and 2019, and have only just recently went into training.
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| March 13, 2011, 6:38 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

A master plan has taken form in the minds of the WC's top strategists. They were initially worried about the axis' allies joining in with the PCU, but it has become clear it is too little too late. The PCU has found itself outflanked; and out maneuvered. Had reinforcements come earlier, perhaps a better difference could have been achieved. The PCU's manufacturing capabilities have been cut drastically, thanks to strategic operations.

While our home economy is beginning to feel the heavy burden, allied nation's economies have been offered to share the burden. For this, we are most grateful.

A message to the Atlantic traitors; while the WC has said we will not fire on them, do not mistake that for compliance. Your aircraft will not be allowed over our airspace, and will be shot down. Canada will also strike if their neutrality is infringed upon. Your men will not make it to the PCU to make a difference. The Panama Canal is closed to you, your fleets will not arrive for a week at least to aid our enemies. By then, it will be too late. You will soon stand alone. Who will help you? No one.

Quoting Nick Shelton
If you think harsh words about the state of my defense will crash my confidence in my men, you are strongly mistaken. They've been drilled their whole lives for this.

Just realism, sir. I don't have Wake & Midway for the laughs, you know. And what I'm doing in the Coral Sea is going to further cut your umbilical cord. Nothing is going to get through.
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| March 13, 2011, 6:58 pm
Quoting The Allies

If you've come to hear me beg, you will be disappointed.
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| March 13, 2011, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting The Allies

If you've come to hear me beg, you will be disappointed.


Were it only so easy...
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| March 13, 2011, 7:09 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Were it only so easy...

Indeed, indeed.
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| March 13, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
If you've come to hear me beg, you will be disappointed.

No, just don't delusion yourself and start picking your next location to respawn.
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| March 13, 2011, 7:16 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
No, just don't delusion yourself and start picking your next location to respawn.

I still don't understand your reasoning behind the elimination of the PCU. The only one showing hostilities on the continent is the one who wants peace on the continent. You.
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| March 13, 2011, 7:19 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting The Allies

If you've come to hear me beg, you will be disappointed.

It's getting really boring when you continually say that. You've said it to me heaps, yet I've never asked or expected you to beg. I'm just saying, you should probably think of a new catchphrase, that one has gotten so old...
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| March 13, 2011, 7:20 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
It's getting really boring when you continually say that. You've said it to me heaps, yet I've never asked or expected you to beg. I'm just saying, you should probably think of a new catchphrase, that was had gotten so old...

That ain't my catchphrase boi. It's a quote from Halo 2.
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| March 13, 2011, 7:23 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
That ain't my catchphrase boi. It's a quote from Halo 2.


Please, don't shake the lightbulb ;)
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| March 13, 2011, 7:32 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Please, don't shake the lightbulb ;)

I know what the ladies like. :P
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| March 13, 2011, 7:44 pm
Oh yes, I just remembered: the ATGM and MANPADS minefields did in fact get placed in production.

And on ze Amerikanski front, I'll be piling together the order messages in a few minutes, assuming my connection doesn't die again.
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| March 13, 2011, 7:57 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

And on ze Amerikanski front, I'll be piling together the order messages in a few minutes, assuming my connection doesn't die again.

I hope my plethora of messages got through in their entirety.
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| March 13, 2011, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I hope my plethora of messages got through in their entirety.

You can't take my job, dude, that's just not cool...
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| March 13, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You can't take my job, dude, that's just not cool...

I've taken to sending in orders as they come to me, because sitting down and writing one out is too...error prone.
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| March 13, 2011, 8:12 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I've taken to sending in orders as they come to me, because sitting down and writing one out is too...error prone.

Huh, I found it leads to extreme annoyance on the part of the CM.
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| March 13, 2011, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Just realism, sir. I don't have Wake & Midway for the laughs, you know. And what I'm doing in the Coral Sea is going to further cut your umbilical cord. Nothing is going to get through.

Wow, two whole islands, clearly, you now control the entire Pacific Ocean and Nick won't get any reinforcemnts, and then he'll lose the war.

/sarcasm

I'm sorry, but you're being really arogant, and it's getting very annoying.


In other news, I'm on Spring Break Vaation in Northern California for a week, and won't be on until next Sunday.

@Matt Hacker, if I'm attacked for any reason, I'm putting you in charge of my forces in that situation.
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| March 13, 2011, 8:25 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
@Matt Hacker, if I'm attacked for any reason, I'm putting you in charge of my forces in that situation.


Understood.
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| March 13, 2011, 8:30 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Wow, two whole islands, clearly, you now control the entire Pacific Ocean and Nick won't get any reinforcemnts, and then he'll lose the war.

Pretty much. Why do you think it's called 'Midway?' Like, midway from here to there? The Japanese and the Americans didn't want it for no reason, you should know that.

Quoting Thomas N
/sarcasm

I'm sorry, but you're being really arogant, and it's getting very annoying.

Well, looks like we've come full circle, haven't we? Take a chill, it's called smack talk. You'd do it too.

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| March 13, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Wow, two whole islands, clearly, you now control the entire Pacific Ocean and Nick won't get any reinforcemnts, and then he'll lose the war.

/sarcasm

I'm sorry, but you're being really arogant, and it's getting very annoying.


In other news, I'm on Spring Break Vaation in Northern California for a week, and won't be on until next Sunday.

@Matt Hacker, if I'm attacked for any reason, I'm putting you in charge of my forces in that situation.

Wow, I really was right when I said you get Ann-yed easily....

Ultra has done nothing (I know of) to Ann-y you, you are (it seems) getting angst at matters that far from concern you.
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| March 13, 2011, 8:38 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Wow, I really was right when I said you get Ann-yed easily....

Ultra has done nothing (I know of) to Ann-y you, you are (it seems) getting angst at matters that far from concern you.

Far from it, I just really can't stand arogant people.
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| March 13, 2011, 8:53 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Far from it, I just really can't stand arogant people.

He's not really bragging or boasting, he's just stating the truth, which is that he's winning... Simple as that.
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| March 13, 2011, 9:02 pm
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Fascinating conversation here.

Today in China:
-Tibet rebels still hiding in mountains, they'll be disposed of soon.
-Nothing sketchy going on in the West.
-The Emperor has invested in a harpsichord.
-Watch for the Slender Man still continues.
-Watch for pesky Allied aircraft continues, even though they're all far away.
-Indonesian development goes onwards, we're focusing on getting them back to their feet in a way that benefits us too.
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| March 13, 2011, 9:06 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
...
-The Emperor has invested in a harpsichord.
...
-Watch for pesky Allied aircraft continues, even though they're all far away.

Fancy instrument, eh? I'll bet you'll be the next Mozart

Pesky in which sense? To Nick they are, but we've got nothing against you.
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| March 13, 2011, 9:13 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Fancy instrument, eh? I'll bet you'll be the next Mozart

Pesky in which sense? To Nick they are, but we've got nothing against you.


I'm the Emperor's Hand, I got no fancy instrument sadly. But he does. And pesky I mean that you're all tricksy, you'll be coming for my head once Nick is done I bet. Because I'm a threat.

Like Nick.
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| March 13, 2011, 9:23 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm the Emperor's Hand, I got no fancy instrument sadly. But he does. And pesky I mean that you're all tricksy, you'll be coming for my head once Nick is done I bet. Because I'm a threat.

Like Nick.

You've said you're just going to hang out behind your wall there after this, I have no argument with you, and I have no desire to fight you as it is now.

I don't know what I can say to convince you, but I'm too lazy to do more than just "Glare at each other over the Pacific."
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| March 13, 2011, 9:29 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You've said you're just going to hang out behind your wall there after this, I have no argument with you, and I have no desire to fight you as it is now.

I don't know what I can say to convince you, but I'm too lazy to do more than just "Glare at each other over the Pacific."


I've seen too many surprise invasions and backstabbings to take your word on that. No one is safe...

/dives for superbunker

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| March 13, 2011, 9:35 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I've seen too many surprise invasions and backstabbings to take your word on that. No one is safe...

/dives for superbunker

I don't suppose you would take my personal word?

That is to say, after this conflict is over?
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| March 13, 2011, 9:38 pm
If you don't mind me butting in here, I'd just like to point out that you Awe, never performed a surprise attack on the WC and other American nations, and if you had, I'm sure you would have had a solid reason or objective for attacking them.

Unlike Nick.




My point is, Nick attacked the WC (a while back) for a reason yet to be known, at least by me, as I NEVER asked (as the Indo Union) him to go and attack Alaska and the WC, so as far as I'm concerned, he had no sane political reason to attack to attack Ultra and Alaska, except that he claimed he didn't like Ultra's attitude.

If I were in the WC's position, I'd be thinking "whoa whoa whoa, random attacks much?" so I'd want to eliminate such a seemingly causeless, dangerous, and random player, who goes picking a fight with 4 or 5 other nations, from being a threat.

You (Awe) on the other hand seem very reasonable, the opposite of impulsive. Despite the fact you have a better military than the PCU in many ways, you are considered less of a threat to the WC and friends, because we know you won't attack us without a good reason...



Did any of that make sense?
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| March 13, 2011, 9:55 pm
Great day today! Went to Catholic mass (UGH- I would so much rather be at home meditating with Aten) at the basilica- Awe, the organ was huge. You would have loved it. Went and saw the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights at the National Archives, plus we visited a friend of my father's, who has the world's largest private collection of German WWII Afrika Korps items.

@Ultra- your attitude is like that of Hitler early in 1944. You think you're doing great, but you really have no idea what's coming. It makes me lol.

@Awe and Aree't'sa- I am legit with Aten. Ever since I hooked up with him late last year, my life has been the best. Best discovery I ever made. When I need him, he's ALWAYS there for me. :D
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| March 13, 2011, 10:04 pm
Another order of 100 M908A4 Main Battle Tanks is being slated for production in our extremely occupied factories. Another tank plant is being set up in Haiti, currently our only state to still have an unemployment rate over 10%, and we hope it helps take some strain off of our industry, and provide more jobs to this area. Development of the combat rations is well underway, with samples already being sent out to units at the front. Our reserves have been demobilized to a Level 1 Alert status, meaning their equipment will be fully prepared and waiting for them at their stations, however unless needed they will resume their daily lives. All reservists have been issued handheld radios to let them know when/if to report for duty. A large parade was held in Guantanimo to see off members of the I Infantry Division shipping out for an unknown desitination.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:05 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
@Ultra- your attitude is like that of Hitler early in 1944. You think you're doing great, but you really have no idea what's coming. It makes me lol.

Oh, of course, I'm totally Hitler. I think you mean 1941, when everything was going their way? I have a question for you, if you try some trick again, which will you miss most; Cairo or the Aswan Dam?
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| March 13, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
If you don't mind me butting in here, I'd just like to point out that you Awe, never performed a surprise attack on the WC and other American nations, and if you had, I'm sure you would have had a solid reason or objective for attacking them.

Unlike Nick.




My point is, Nick attacked the WC (a while back) for a reason yet to be known, at least by me, as I NEVER asked (as the Indo Union) him to go and attack Alaska and the WC, so as far as I'm concerned, he had no sane political reason to attack to attack Ultra and Alaska, except that he claimed he didn't like Ultra's attitude.

If I were in the WC's position, I'd be thinking "whoa whoa whoa, random attacks much?" so I'd want to eliminate such a seemingly causeless, dangerous, and random player, who goes picking a fight with 4 or 5 other nations, from being a threat.

You (Awe) on the other hand seem very reasonable, the opposite of impulsive. Despite the fact you have a better military than the PCU in many ways, you are considered less of a threat to the WC and friends, because we know you won't attack us without a good reason...



Did any of that make sense?

You TOLD me to take care of Midway so you wouldn't be getting hammered so hard.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
@Ultra- your attitude is like that of Hitler early in 1944. You think you're doing great, but you really have no idea what's coming. It makes me lol.

Oh, of course, I'm totally Hitler. I think you mean 1941, when everything was going their way? I have a question for you, if you try some trick again, which will you miss most; Cairo or the Aswan Dam?

Cairo isn't my capital. XD

And I'm not telling you what is. I'll give you a hint- it's restored. Heavily.

Just try something, see what happens.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:18 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
You TOLD me to take care of Midway so you wouldn't be getting hammered so hard.

/FACEPALM

No...
No I didn't. I NEVER asked you to attack ANYONE. YOU offered support (your lending act), and I accepted the ability to use vehicles and navy craft that didn't belong to me with gratitude. Then you randomly went and started the war, the same war you are probably going to lose soon.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:18 pm
God I HAAATE people that just blatantly lie.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:20 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Cairo isn't my capital. XD

And I'm not telling you what is. I'll give you a hint- it's restored. Heavily.

Just try something, see what happens.

Oh, right, Memphis. And you restored it so quickly? Remember, it's not ready-made. How much time did you spend on it?
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| March 13, 2011, 10:20 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
God I HAAATE people that just blatantly lie.

Same, which is why I'm confused at your statements.

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| March 13, 2011, 10:23 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Cairo isn't my capital. XD

And I'm not telling you what is. I'll give you a hint- it's restored. Heavily...

I'd say Luxor... Or as the Ancient Egyptians called it, Thebes.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:25 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Danny Morgan
God I HAAATE people that just blatantly lie.

Same, which is why I'm confused at your statements.

Pop quiz time!

Consider the following Example:

Nick: "imma lend u sum stuffz"
Danny: "Kthnxbai"
Nick: "now imma blow up sum sh__"
Danny: O.o
Nick: "I'm in trubblez nao, and it's y'all faultz, u told meh to go an attackz on Ulty. Nao u owe meh"
Danny: "Wait.... Wutz?"


Question: Who is the liar/confused/senile/ one in this example?
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| March 13, 2011, 10:28 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Danny trying to be cool

I'm going to be the bigger person and end the conversation, because what's done is done and it can't be fixed now.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Cairo isn't my capital. XD

And I'm not telling you what is. I'll give you a hint- it's restored. Heavily.


Cairo is an Arab-Muslim legacy. I bet you're either in Nwt-Rist or whatever the Egyptian capital is called in RFC, Valley of the Kings (to chill with your dead), or an underground pyramid.

>.>

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Awe, the organ was huge. You would have loved it.


...

...

:'(

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| March 13, 2011, 10:32 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Cairo isn't my capital. XDAnd I'm not telling you what is. I'll give you a hint- it's restored. Heavily.

After hearing this statement, El Presidente was very concerned. He quickly phoned the Secretary of State, and asked him to check Wikipedia.org to find out the location of Egypt's capital. Rest assured, Wikipedia came through once again, and noone even had to call the CDC embassy in Egypt to find out that the Egyptian Capitol is in _____.
Seriously Cliffe, you really can't keep that information secret, its public information. Just tell us or we'll have to use magical gaming powers to subvert your confidentiality and sway the combat mod into disbelieving your claims. Big words, ehh? Where is the capitol, do not make us use sattellite imagery (or just google maps) to find our where there is a huge new concentration of light near any historic site, that wasn't there 3 months ago.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I have a question for you, if you try some trick again, which will you miss most; Cairo or the Aswan Dam?

High or Low?

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
...or an underground pyramid. ...

I think in practice that would work out as a very strangely shaped but rather sturdy bunker.
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| March 13, 2011, 10:36 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton trying to be bigger

Hey!
I was gonna do that, I just wanted to determine whether you were insane or a liar. Guess you were the latter if you want to avoid this conversation now...
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| March 13, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Hey!
I was gonna do that, I just wanted to determine whether you were insane or a liar. Guess you were the latter if you want to avoid this conversation now...

I lol'd. Cause I put my past behind! Ya'll can think what you will!
But no more propoganda, it's Triumph of the ill!
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| March 13, 2011, 10:41 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
High or Low?

High, of course. 99% of Egypt, gone! It might make the Egyptians in the PCU mad, but they're a manageable number.
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| March 13, 2011, 11:02 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
High, of course. 99% of Egypt, gone! It might make the Egyptians in the PCU mad, but they're a manageable number.


Takes a real man to deliberately kill civilians in a military conflict. I'm surprised you and Japan don't get along better.

Anyways, I do hope you never find reason to come over here and start killing my people. That'd make me sad.
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| March 13, 2011, 11:08 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Takes a real man to deliberately kill civilians in a military conflict. I'm surprised you and Japan don't get along better.

That's only if he tries another g-bomb on me. Seems worse than death somehow.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Anyways, I do hope you never find reason to come over here and start killing my people. That'd make me sad.

Well, not civilians anyway. And I don't have a reason outside of this PCU war, which will end sooner or later.
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| March 13, 2011, 11:16 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, not civilians anyway. And I don't have a reason outside of this PCU war, which will end sooner or later.


G-bomb, eh? I agree, being turned into one of the gheys against my will would be a turible (deliberately misspelled) fate, but at least it wears off.

Well, as long as I fight with honor, maybe my enemies will too.
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| March 13, 2011, 11:18 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
G-bomb

Unfamiliar term. ?
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| March 13, 2011, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Unfamiliar term. ?

Houston. A bunch of people altered against their will, you know, stuff like that.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

G-bomb, eh? I agree, being turned into one of the gheys against my will would be a turible (deliberately misspelled) fate, but at least it wears off.

Aye, but the spirit never forgets.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Well, as long as I fight with honor, maybe my enemies will too.

For honor, for duty, for the Western Confederation!
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| March 13, 2011, 11:22 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Houston. A bunch of people altered against their will, you know, stuff like that.

Ah. Didn't make the connection.
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| March 13, 2011, 11:34 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Ultramarine .
Houston. A bunch of people altered against their will, you know, stuff like that.

Ah. Didn't make the connection.

Estimated time until the CR Seρor Arteesa?
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| March 13, 2011, 11:57 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Estimated time until the CR Seρor Arteesa?

Google "Duke Nukem Forever release date".
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| March 14, 2011, 2:42 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Google "Duke Nukem Forever release date".

SON.


I AM DISAPPOINT.
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| March 14, 2011, 2:49 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Google "Duke Nukem Forever release date".


If you're not working on it, I'm sending in the hipsters and liberals to find you.
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| March 14, 2011, 2:50 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
If you're not working on it, I'm sending in the hipsters and liberals to find you.

Okay then, but if there's a boatstorm later because someone didn't get included, I'm pointing him in your direction.
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| March 14, 2011, 4:46 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Okay then, but if there's a boatstorm later because someone didn't get included, I'm pointing him in your direction.

My Combat Order is the one I sent you originally. Have you got it?
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| March 14, 2011, 5:03 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
My Combat Order is the one I sent you originally. Have you got it?

"Reformatted Battle Plans"?
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| March 14, 2011, 5:46 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Cairo isn't my capital. XD

And I'm not telling you what is. I'll give you a hint- it's restored. Heavily.

Just try something, see what happens.

Alexandria.

>.>
<.<

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| March 14, 2011, 11:15 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh, right, Memphis. And you restored it so quickly? Remember, it's not ready-made. How much time did you spend on it?

Nope, not Memphis. That's the Old Kingdom's capital. Try again! ^_^
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| March 14, 2011, 11:50 am
Quoting Will G.
Alexandria.

>.>
<.<

Nope.

Boy, this is fun! :D
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| March 14, 2011, 11:51 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Nope.

Boy, this is fun! :D

How about we just take out the 'High Dam and cover all the bases? Try the G-bomb again and you'll watch it happen.
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| March 14, 2011, 12:07 pm
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I am going to say that as an admin (currently without the consensus of us) that hiding a capital is completely impractical and impossible. Even if the entire government was relocated in secret, your own claim of it being "recently restored" would eliminate any shadow of a doubt of where it would be. Not only that, but any nation with technology dating back to the 40s would be able to intercept radio broadcasts, and with 70s tech could intercept TV signals- surely your country has a news agency? Unless you totally restrict all journalism (which I have not seen you do yet) the pesky modern journalists would certainly report from the Capital- once again, eliminating all shadow of a doubt. In short- there are dozens of ways to find out your capital (if this were not merely a text-based nation building game) so your logic is flawed. I kindly ask you to at least announce where the Capital is. In fact, I think we should all go to the initial "land claim threads" and add capitals, just to ease up all clarity for everyone.

I could go on and on about other reasons but yeah. Go update the page now (everyone) and just get it over with. If there are ANY more posts relating to this hidden capital (the debate of which should be settled right here) move it to the flame-war thread.
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| March 14, 2011, 2:24 pm
I'm all for hiding a capital, mine was 7/8 destroyed by Confederates!
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| March 14, 2011, 3:01 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm all for hiding a capital, mine was 7/8 destroyed by Confederates!


Still doesn't mean you can't find it using intelligence services, or some some basic sleuthing.
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| March 14, 2011, 3:07 pm
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I'm usually pretty patient with this, but where IS that CR?
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| March 14, 2011, 4:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm usually pretty patient with this, but where IS that CR?

I've been asking myself that some question for the past twelve hours.
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| March 14, 2011, 5:37 pm
Large scale training exercises have begun in preparation of the Top Secret Operation Bad Will. Several diplomatic parties have been dispatched to 2 unnamed nations. The I Air Cavalry Division will be making helibourne landings at some of our island territories, as the I Marine Infantry Infantry Division (with heavy support) will make an amphibious assault on Haiti, and attempt to seize the city.
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| March 14, 2011, 5:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm usually pretty patient with this, but where IS that CR?

If my connection didn't keep dropping out, it'd be up by now.
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| March 14, 2011, 6:22 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
If my connection didn't keep dropping out, it'd be up by now.

Dang. Internet man better fix your internets.
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| March 14, 2011, 6:43 pm
In Iberian matters, the Prime Minister isn't too pleased at certain IRL things. Namely the Christian praising the Japanese earthquake, which is supposed to be God killing atheists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY&feature=player_embedded#at=58

It's people like these that made me convert to Buddhism.
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| March 14, 2011, 6:48 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
In Iberian matters, the Prime Minister isn't too pleased at certain IRL things. Namely the Christian praising the Japanese earthquake, which is supposed to be God killing atheists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY&feature=player_embedded#at=58

It's people like these that made me convert to Buddhism.

Well those people are straight-out crazies! Or they had no good parents to tell them not to laugh at dead people.
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| March 14, 2011, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Still doesn't mean you can't find it using intelligence services, or some some basic sleuthing.


Or you can use ground lines to wherever you release information to the press.
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| March 14, 2011, 7:05 pm
Now that all my large projects are finished, and my military is in active, I believe it would be wise to Invade DC Congo, and capture a strip of land connecting cabinda to Angola. With this connection, I believe we can strengthen the bond between our separated province. this is to make sure cabinda doesn't leave and become it's own country. 60 main battle tanks, 42 recon helicopters, 24 armoured transports, 10 MMDSs and 20,000 troops will leave to DC congo if DC congo doesn't give us the land peacefully.
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| March 14, 2011, 7:46 pm
My fleet has arrived at a safe Angolan port in Madagascar. So Luke, I'm ready for this invasion of Seychelles. Let's orient this via FM, but just needed to say my fleet is ready.
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| March 14, 2011, 8:41 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Or you can use ground lines to wherever you release information to the press.

Do you realize how impossible it would be for a 3rd world country to build an entire city (let alone take down and move said nations capitol) in a deserted historic site. Do you realize how many people would be involved in that operation? You would need airports, roads, bridges, water, police, hospitals, a military presence, gasoline, gas (natural or other), stores, electricity, schools, HOUSING, etc. etc. Also, early on in this group I specifically stated that I was setting up embassies in and trading with nations such as Egpyt (even the new regime). Assuming these negotiations were done over lines more secure then Flickr Mail, my diplomats would surely know where the people are that they were talking to. Also, just saying, Cliffe never EVER posted anything about setting up a new capitol, nor did he ever mention anything about restoring cities that were destroyed thousands of years ago. I'd say it would take at LEAST a month (game time) to set up a small town, let alone a capitol city which would require the involvement of hundreds of thousands of people and their families.
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| March 14, 2011, 8:48 pm
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Quoting -> avalella


Stand down, son.

I'm not the one you need to be yelling at, yell at Cliffe. I had nothing to do with this, rage at someone else.


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| March 14, 2011, 9:07 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I soz, I get really uppity over the internet...

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| March 14, 2011, 9:21 pm
My $0.02 about the relocation thing, Ok, well he might be able to set up some sort of continuity of government thing(A bunker or something along the lines of that) where his rulers can govern. But keeping it hidden, well that's another story. Maybe with really really good encryption and very advanced forms of communication it might stay hidden. Still, its easier to find than it is to hide because of the sheer amount of message traffic that would not easily be hidden. So if anyone really wanted to find it a team of good spooks should easily find it through just brute force retracing the encrypted message traffic. Other than that, well it's not possible to just make a city out of no where based just on whims.
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| March 14, 2011, 9:36 pm
Quoting henry wang
So if anyone really wanted to find it a team of good spooks should easily find it through just brute force retracing the encrypted message traffic. Other than that, well it's not possible to just make a city out of no where based just on whims.

I wonder if the campus would still be around...
I guess this is a good time to put the good ol' KGB to use (maybe they could actually find something out this time). I'll start by checking out all allocations of cement.
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| March 14, 2011, 10:23 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

A total of 12 A/B-3s have been manufactured thanks to continued foreign investment. We're getting to work on filling those foreign orders, we promise!

The WCS Denver, the carrier mauled in the second battle of Midway, has finished its repairs at the Guatemalan drydocks.The little aircraft carrier received its aircraft and about 50 crew replacements late this afternoon. She currently awaits her orders, and maintains a constant CAP.

The newest addition to the Atlantic fleet, the Brigand-class WCS Buccaneer was launched today. In haste, a slightly lesser-grade radar has been installed, cutting down from 250 mile range to 150. The Phalanx guns have been tested, and silos primed for action. The other ship remains at about 95% completion at Houston.

Repairs go well on the aircraft damaged in the PCUN's disastrous raid on the oil rigs. Also, the missile bases hit have undergone round-the-clock repairs. Thankfully, only a two of them were ICBM bases, and they were only lightly damaged, the rest were shorter-range bases (anyone wanting to fight that can look at the CR, it just generalizes 'missile bases'). It is typical of the Egyptians to aim for the wrong ones...

Production, as always, continues.

Quoting henry wang
Other than that, well it's not possible to just make a city out of no where based just on whims.

This is Cliffe we're talking about, his whole country runs on that stuff.
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| March 14, 2011, 10:25 pm
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Work on the JAS-43 continues excellently (after a while with no updates). The designers at Saab are confident that with enough refinement the aircraft will be a world-beater. Of course, many companies make such claims, so the UNC government is more concerned with actually seeing the prototypes. Top Air Force officials are very pleased at what they see so far. Behind the scenes talks have already commenced with several (player controlled) nations of the purchase of said aircraft once it is completed. To these friends: the UNC is promising increased industrial capacity to handle orders for it when it is done.

MAV-23 production and design has taken a backseat now to modernizing troops and issuing a new camoflague scheme- it is already several weeks behind schedule, but nonetheless factories are beginning preliminary tooling for the vehicles.

Also in WIP land, the Attack Helo which has already been sold to allied nations is about two weeks away from entering active service within the UNC- continued and painful avionic teething issues coupled with inadequate armament has considerably delayed issuing.


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| March 14, 2011, 11:14 pm
Well, total lulz at the raeg over the capital business. I've been hiding nothing, just playing around with my enemies. XD My capital is actually at the ancient New Kingdom capital and modern Egyptian city of Thebes. However, since the new government came in, construction of a new, professional, and magnificent capital at the ancient one-time captial at the Amarna site, known in ancient times as Akhetaten. I suppose you might guess why I want my capital there. :D

@Ultra- I'm pretty sure I specified both ICBMs and cruise missile bases to Areetsa. That might have been a FM I lost, then had to send another, but I'm not entirely sure. We'll have to see. Which reminds me, the results of your repairing and rebuilding efforts must be determined by the CM. It's honorable that way.
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| March 15, 2011, 4:56 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
@Ultra- I'm pretty sure I specified both ICBMs and cruise missile bases to Areetsa. That might have been a FM I lost, then had to send another, but I'm not entirely sure. We'll have to see. Which reminds me, the results of your repairing and rebuilding efforts must be determined by the CM. It's honorable that way.

Too bad. It says 'Missile Sites,' not even ICBM bases. I can haz tem all bak!

Cruise missile BASES? Yeesh, I don't even have those. Cruise missiles are launched by air or portable launchers, I don't have specified bases for those. Besides, you think I'd waste an ICBM on the dam? I use ICBMs for cities, dams are so vulnerable anyhow that it would be a shameful waste of resources. /Recalls dam busters from WWII. Cruise missiles would do that job, I wonder if I have a sub in that area, better start looking Cliffe. Though I would use an ICBM on your capital in a heartbeat.

You're not one to talk about what goes with the CM and what doesn't mister "No normal inhibitions apply to me, cause I'm just magic."

And if I say to the CM: "IZ firin' mai mizzils!" Then, he gets to say: "Sorry, can't launch that many, you have to spend another week repairing them..." It's not up to you, and I'm not going to justify myself any further.

Besides, I have plenty of ways to get around that, just link them together and fire from a remote location (i.e. NORAD, another silo, or even a forward command post) for the one or two that got their control systems taken out.
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| March 15, 2011, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Well, total lulz at the raeg over the capital business. I've been hiding nothing, just playing around with my enemies. XD My capital is actually at the ancient New Kingdom capital and modern Egyptian city of Thebes. However, since the new government came in, construction of a new, professional, and magnificent capital at the ancient one-time captial at the Amarna site, known in ancient times as Akhetaten. I suppose you might guess why I want my capital there. :D


And now I have an urge to go win as Egypt in RFC. Brb.

In China:
-We build more stuff of undisclosed status.
-Wickedness is not happening in the West.
-Tibet rebels losing ground.
-A lot of rain is hiding Slender Man, if he's here. At least there'll be plenty of water in the mountains come crop time.
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| March 15, 2011, 6:45 pm
Upon reviewing news feeds from March 15th, 2011, the Governor has decided to promote safety in nuclear power stations, not only in our country, but world-wide.

Due to the ever increasing conflicts on the Eastern border, many civilians are forming militias, commandeering vehicles with jerry-rigged guns on them, and reporting to the nearest PCU garrison to fight. While this patriotism joys the Governor, he warns them because they do not have the protection that our soldiers do.

Also due to the Great War of 2037, the PCU Army is asking for an IFV to replace the aging Bradley. Upon closer inspection, the PCU has chosen a variant and have begun production on our more...secret facilities.


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| March 15, 2011, 8:12 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Having considered some of the possible outlets left to the PCU and its allies, some of which were quite surprising and possibly devastating, has led the WCHC to begin 'shuffling' some things in the background. Hardware, personnel, aircraft, defenses, and resources are being put in or taken from certain areas for the benefit of others. Lots of reorganization is taking place, in an effort not to be caught off guard should the more likely of the alternatives occur. Intelligence systems are on high alert, and lists are being checked and double checked.

In Idaho, the envoys are working with the provisional governor to track down the shooters. They will not be executed or beaten for show, but will rather be arrested and held until the war is over before being tried before a jury of their peers. Speaking of which, several have expressed interest in joining the WC's fight in the form of enlistment in service. Though they will be taken, they will be watched closely.* Several businesses have met with local owners to discuss the future of the Idaho economy, including a large Fortune 500 meeting with representatives from 10 WC states, including Idaho.

Repairs continue on everything from aircraft to the rigs in the Gulf. One hole has been patched up at the base, and the oil has stopped seeping. The second leakage was stopped when a dive team simply cut off the pipe (still attached to the shell of a rig) and put a cap on it. The Gulf, as it did in 2009, will dispose of the oil itself in a week or two (like it did in '09). I'm sure that, somewhere in California, a Greenslime or bleedingheartsforanimals group is going to protest ad nauseum for this; probably advocating the dissolution of the PCU Navy for inflicting this 'irreparable' damage to precious Gaea. Of course, we all know that the Western Confederation is the only country that can ever have protesters.

*For anyone who can't handle this, I remind you that they are my citizens now, and I control them. Not you, not the CM (as a whole, some interesting bits can and have been put in, though), so get over it. Don't pretend you wouldn't do the same thing... And please, don't rewrite my stories, I'm done with that.
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| March 15, 2011, 8:36 pm
Breaking News:

Recent protests in the PCU's remaining cities has led to the Governor rounding them up, and lowering their crowds to a more...manageable size.*


*Cookie to who gets the reference.


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| March 15, 2011, 8:41 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Breaking News:

Recent protests in the PCU's remaining cities has led to the Governor rounding them up, and lowering their crowds to a more...manageable size.*


*Cookie to who gets the reference.


Western Confederation, last round. Do I get it?!

If you're sending them to the front, we could have ours fight each other, that ought to be interesting...
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| March 15, 2011, 8:43 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Western Confederation, last round. Do I get it?!

If you're sending them to the front, we could have ours fight each other, that ought to be interesting...

I might send them to the front, but I won't waste my valuable equipment on them. They'll be sent to the front with whatever clothes they had on them, left to make weapons out of random rocks and sticks.


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| March 15, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I might send them to the front, but I won't waste my valuable equipment on them. They'll be sent to the front with whatever clothes they had on them, left to make weapons out of random rocks and sticks.

I might have gotten their weapons from a museum...
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| March 15, 2011, 9:04 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Too bad. It says 'Missile Sites,' not even ICBM bases. I can haz tem all bak!

Depends on your definition. Cliffe's targets (and way to go being secretive about your operations, Egyptman) were ICBM sites, IIRC. Since I don't know how you launch your ICBMs, I assumed you had them in silos. If you don't have them in silos, well, you're in the same boat because it's the launching vehicles that're damaged instead.



CR#2 part 1:

Midway: a pair of PCU UAVs paid a visit to the WC fortress island of Midway. They launched a volley of missiles at docks and barracks, before being knocked out of the sky. Immediately after, a flight of F-18s began bombing AA sites, with Wild Weasel variants acting to jam ground radar. Some other F-18s went after the hangars.
An unknown number of Chinese Arketer superbombers also showed up, flying at the edge of space and liberally plastering runways and hangars, with 30 MAF-2 escort fighters engaging the WC aircraft launched from their Midway fleet.

Shortly after, another 15 F-18s arrived to take over the bombing, while the others went home to refuel and rearm. Also with them were three PCU transport helicopters carrying 42 marines, who landed and took shelter in the plentiful craters.

Losses stand at everything in the Midway airfield and ~38 misc. aircraft for the WC, along with pretty much everyone on the island at the time. For the PCU, 28 F-18s were lost, along with 17 MAF-2s from China. 12 Chinese pilots have linked up with the PCU Marine unit, the rest were either killed on landing or didn't land at all. WC pilot losses stand at 20%. The WC has lost the islands, but their (not inconsiderable) fleet is still intact. From what PCU pilots saw, there were a number of carriers (mainly the escort type) supported by an indeterminate but reasonably large quantity of assorted smaller craft.


Gulf Of Mexico:

A flight of Brazilian F-33s went out to hunt the Union carrier in the Gulf, with ~two squadrons of F-35s looking after them.

A volley of 10 cruise missiles came at the PCU carrier from the direction of Texas, with 2 missing, 1 failing to detonate, 4 being shot down by CIWS systems and the rest delivering explosions all over the carrier. Damage at this point is relatively minor.

3 WC bombers showed up shortly after with a rain of NNEMP devices and bunkerbusting bombs, delivering most of them to the carrier but dropping a few on supporting ships as well.
EMP damage was limited, due to all the important equipment being hardened against such attack. Quite a few non-essential pieces of equipment are other than in perfect condition now, though.

They were met by all the fighters the carrier could scramble, with 2 being shot down and the other limping for home.

At that point, a quantity of Cuban submarines showed up and started firing at the carrier's escorts, quickly being joined by a larger fleet of surface ships.
The carrier sent up some ASW craft, which, in concert with the escort vessels, managed to sink 5 of their execrable former North Korean attack subs, a Foxtrot class submarine and 2 Delfin nuclear missile subs, along with crippling two more Sang-Os and causing minor damage to another Delfin.
When the surface fleet showed up, the escort ships switched priorities, with the ASW craft continuing to harrass the submarines as they retreated. The fighters circled overhead, wary of possible Cuban air support.

As the battle continued, 3 Cuban frigates and a missile destroyer paid a visit to Davy Jones, inflicting similar losses on the enemy as they did so.

Shortly after, 5 squadrons of Cuban aircraft joined in the fun, losing 68 of their number to SAM fire and the orbiting fighters. They managed to cause significant damage to the carrier's superstructure and aircraft lifts, which exacerbated the damage the WC bombers did to the deck.


All the surviving naval craft have varying degrees of damage, and 4 more fighter aircraft from Cuba ditched on the way home.


The carrier is now effectively defenseless, having lost most of its escorts and fighter aircraft. It is also crippled, and will likely sink if it doesn't find its way to a repair facility post-haste. However, the Confederation and their allies have paid a grievous price for their "successes".

Also: an Atlantic Union fleet is traveling up the coast of Mexico. An indeterminate quantity of AU aircraft flew at low altitude through the Gulf, refueling in Mexican airports before flying over the Pacific and landing PCU territory. Another fleet seems to be taking the long way around.


@Cuba: if you send obsolete equipment into a fight, you tend to lose more than you destroy.

@WC: I'm going on the assumption here that a naval designer would have to be brain damaged to not include EMP protection in his designs.

@AU: it takes time for ships to travel, and if you're going to go along the coast you're going to get spotted and reported on by fishermen. And satellites.

@Everyone else not mentioned in this section: This isn't the entire report. Grow some patience.

A note: please refrain from sending in CR#3 orders until you have the whole picture.
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| March 15, 2011, 9:18 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Breaking News:

Recent protests in the PCU's remaining cities has led to the Governor rounding them up, and lowering their crowds to a more...manageable size.*


*Cookie to who gets the reference.

Did you have to hold a gun to the heads of any corrupt politicians to get that accomplished?
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| March 15, 2011, 9:24 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Did you have to hold a gun to the heads of any corrupt politicians to get that accomplished?

No, there is only room for one corrupt politician in this country, and he's calling the shots.


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| March 15, 2011, 9:35 pm
In the CDC, preparations for Operation Bad Will are going very nicely. Several hundred tons of supplies are being allocated, along with large sums of money for the diplomatic lease of an unnamed island. Currently we have many Army and Marine units training in urban and mechanized warfare, our naval units are practicing minelaying and clearing operations, and lastly our air units will continue practicing a wide arrange of intense air to ground combat training. Our engineer units have begun work on a ship-portable modular runways system, as well.
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| March 15, 2011, 9:36 pm
The Admiral in charge of the HGS John Hood, even though his ship is in extreme danger of sinking, has been given the Governor's Cross, the highest award in the PCU.
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| March 15, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The Admiral in charge of the HGS John Hood, even though his ship is in extreme danger of sinking, has been given the Governor's Cross, the highest award in the PCU.

Posthumously, as it's looking as of now...

Quoting Areetsa An unknown number of Chinese Arketer superbombers also showed up...

Were these planes made in China or flown by Chinese pilots? If I recall correctly, Awe said that he wouldn't get involved in this unless he was attacked... Then again he might've lied or I read it wrong.
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| March 15, 2011, 10:08 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Posthumously, as it's looking as of now...

You Allies, much to learn. Many carriers under my Navy's command have been crippled to a much larger extent than this, and have managed to limp back to base and be repaired, often fast enough to partake in the same War.
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| March 15, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
If you've read his comments, he's proclaimed support for the Axis.

Eh. Reading mustn't work for me. The Chinese supported America in WWII, but they didn't fight for the allies. (Technically yes and no.)
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| March 15, 2011, 10:21 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

No offense but your admiral may already be dead because the superstructure was hit...

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| March 15, 2011, 10:22 pm
lol what's going on here? Someone, quick.
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| March 15, 2011, 10:23 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Eh. Reading mustn't work for me. The Chinese supported America in WWII, but they didn't fight for the allies. (Technically yes and no.)

Warning: PCU-China Backstory.

John Hood (Awe) used to run the PCU, but he decided he wanted a challenge. He "faked" his death, bumping me to leader. He then took a little trip to China, inspiring a mass revolution. After gaining a following, he strengthened ties with the PCU. However, the PCU does not know at this time that John Hood runs China, only that he is our Eternal Leader.

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| March 15, 2011, 10:24 pm
Quoting Jake H.
lol what's going on here? Someone, quick.

stuffs.

Some kind of weird world war three apocalypse thingy. I dunno.
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| March 15, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Warning: PCU-China Backstory.

John Hood (Awe) used to run the PCU, but he decided he wanted a challenge. He "faked" his death, bumping me to leader. He then took a little trip to China, inspiring a mass revolution. After gaining a following, he strengthened ties with the PCU. However, the PCU does not know at this time that John Hood runs China, only that he is our Eternal Leader.


He came from beyond the Grave...

Anyways, an unknown of Arketers were indeed involved.

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| March 15, 2011, 10:33 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Eh. Reading mustn't work for me. The Chinese supported America in WWII, but they didn't fight for the allies. (Technically yes and no.)


You're the Allies. We're the Axis. LURN 2 DIPLOMACY.

In other, Iberian news:
-Madrid has called for a demonstration of new Spanish equipment on the 18th of March. This includes, but is not limited to: A new MBT to work alongside existing Leo140E's, a new APC/tank destroyer, and a new multi-purpose destroyer.
-A deal is being made with Libya to sell them our obsolete ships. Exact details are being worked out, and such dealings should improve relations with the country..
-We're totally not making things for Egypt. Seriously, we aren't. We make our things for friends on the other side....
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| March 15, 2011, 10:33 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Were these planes made in China or flown by Chinese pilots? If I recall correctly, Awe said that he wouldn't get involved in this unless he was attacked... Then again he might've lied or I read it wrong.

Considering the very nature of Arketers as extremely high altitude bombers (unless I misread his description) it's not really possible to identify them beyond "there's a lot of bombs landing on us. We can't see anything that could be dropping them, and while we've got radar contacts, we can't identify them. Therefore: it be slant-eyes." Considering they were originally manufactured in Awe-Land, if you're getting bombed by them, the most likely option is that they're Awe's. Or they might be from the PCU, but Awe has more of them.

Quoting henry wang
No offense but your admiral may already be dead because the superstructure was hit...

Ship-board casualties were taken, but they were mostly non-important crewmen. Considering how many people live on carriers and might have reason to go up the superstructure, I didn't bother making a list.
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| March 15, 2011, 11:41 pm
Well, looks like Spring Break is today and I'm going to Florida! I will probably have Wifi tonight, but I don't know about the rest of the week. Have fun gentlemen.
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| March 16, 2011, 7:29 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Considering the very nature of Arketers as extremely high altitude bombers (unless I misread his description) it's not really possible to identify them beyond "there's a lot of bombs landing on us. We can't see anything that could be dropping them, and while we've got radar contacts, we can't identify them. Therefore: it be slant-eyes." Considering they were originally manufactured in Awe-Land, if you're getting bombed by them, the most likely option is that they're Awe's. Or they might be from the PCU, but Awe has more of them.

Even though his is built in micro scale and you can't tell much about it other than 'it looks cool' but mine are too small for what I try to say it can do in minifig scale. Without being vindictive, because I'm honestly trying to learn what goes better with the CMs (since it is based on individual feelings and not actual performance, 'cause we can't exactly test that), is that the lesson we learn from this? That we should build in micro scale so we can make whatever claims we want to?

Quoting Arty
Ship-board casualties were taken, but they were mostly non-important crewmen. Considering how many people live on carriers and might have reason to go up the superstructure, I didn't bother making a list.

Even with about 10 bunker-busters penetrating the decks and exploding in the deep bowls of the ship? Not to mention what damage was put on it later. Honestly, carriers have been sunk by much less (recalls Falkland War). He should be facing raging fires, leaks all over, and crewmen dying by the minute. I think 'abandon ship' would have been called by now.
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| March 16, 2011, 3:41 pm
Attention, The First large battle ship of the growing Angolan navy has finished production. It is currently awaiting battle at the madagascar Naval base.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mango_train/5532454031/
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| March 16, 2011, 4:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Even with about 10 bunker-busters penetrating the decks and exploding in the deep bowls of the ship? Not to mention what damage was put on it later. Honestly, carriers have been sunk by much less. He should be facing raging fires, leaks all over, and crewmen dying by the minute. I think 'abandon ship' would have been called by now.

Aawww, someone's mad because they lost their claim to the entire Pacific. Well you can get glad in the same panties you got mad in.

Also, the PCU Carrier was just commissioned last August, it's one of the toughest in the world.
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| March 16, 2011, 4:48 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Aawww, someone's mad because they lost their claim to the entire Pacific. Well you can get glad in the same panties you got mad in.

Also, the PCU Carrier was just commissioned last August, it's one of the toughest in the world.

Lol. I still have Wake and the Coral Sea, you've got quite a ways to go there, pally. Not to mention a surprisingly large fleet presence in the Pacific, somewhere...

Congratulations, just means it's as vulnerable as any carrier without its aircraft you know.
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| March 16, 2011, 5:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Lol. I still have Wake and the Coral Sea, you've got quite a ways to go there, pally. Not to mention a surprisingly large fleet presence in the Pacific, somewhere...

Congratulations, just means it's as vulnerable as any carrier without its aircraft you know.

"I own two islands in the Pacific, that means I own the Pacific."

The only way you could "own" the Pacific is if you literally owned all the islands and nations bordering the Pacific.

And that carrier isn't dead yet, it can fight its way out.
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| March 16, 2011, 5:13 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
@AU: it takes time for ships to travel, and if you're going to go along the coast you're going to get spotted and reported on by fishermen. And satellites.

I know all is as it should be.
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| March 16, 2011, 5:24 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Right, but when Cliffe uses the EXACT same aircraft (that he bought from me), he managed to get past all of WC's defenses, bomb Houstan, then fly back over my territory, evade fire, and fly off into the sunset with any casualties, and get refueled by a magical mid-air refueler (we all know Egypt has tons of those lying around).
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| March 16, 2011, 5:43 pm
A mistake has been made by the PCU.

The HGS John Hood is actually not even in the Atlantic. It's in the Gulf of California. The one in the Gulf of Mexico is the HGS Ronald Reagan. The Rear Admiral in charge of it has been given the Governor's Cross, which he accepted. He'll be awarded it as soon as he pulls into base.
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| March 16, 2011, 5:44 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Quoting Areetsa C

Right, but when Cliffe uses the EXACT same aircraft (that he bought from me), he managed to get past all of WC's defenses, bomb Houstan, then fly back over my territory, evade fire, and fly off into the sunset with any casualties, and get refueled by a magical mid-air refueler (we all know Egypt has tons of those lying around).

They don't, but I do.
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| March 16, 2011, 5:47 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Quoting Areetsa C
refueled by a magical mid-air refueler (we all know Egypt has tons of those lying around).


Spanish Air Force: Now with magic.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:23 pm
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The WCHC has started a full-scale investigation into certain things, and has finally isolated the secret. The WC has unlocked the "Magic Upgrade, Level XVII: All your attacks will now be marvelously successful for the next month." There, now we have it too. What now?! /OSnap

Quoting Nick Shelton
"I own two islands in the Pacific, that means I own the Pacific."

The only way you could "own" the Pacific is if you literally owned all the islands and nations bordering the Pacific.

And that carrier isn't dead yet, it can fight its way out.

Relatively speaking, you could own the Pacific, like the allies now own the airspace over the PCU.

Oh, right, I forgot, because you all have magic on your side. Don't forget, it's missing most of its systems.

Quoting Nick Shelton
A mistake has been made by the PCU.

The HGS John Hood is actually not even in the Atlantic. It's in the Gulf of California. The one in the Gulf of Mexico is the HGS Ronald Reagan. The Rear Admiral in charge of it has been given the Governor's Cross, which he accepted. He'll be awarded it as soon as he pulls into base.

Right, I smell a rat. AREESTA!!! Nick's cheating!!!

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| March 16, 2011, 6:30 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Relatively speaking, you could own the Pacific, like the allies now own the airspace over the PCU.

Oh, right, I forgot, because you all have magic on your side. Don't forget, it's missing most of its systems.

Quoting Nick Shelton
A mistake has been made by the PCU.

The HGS John Hood is actually not even in the Atlantic. It's in the Gulf of California. The one in the Gulf of Mexico is the HGS Ronald Reagan. The Rear Admiral in charge of it has been given the Governor's Cross, which he accepted. He'll be awarded it as soon as he pulls into base.

Right, I smell a rat. AREESTA!!! Nick's cheating!!!

Air supremacy? Over my land? WOHAHAHAHAHA! /shakes wine glass.

I'll have supremacy until the last days of the PCU.

And cheating you say? Naaaay! Only correcting a mistake my dear child.

Also, why do you always complain like a little infant when something doesn't go your way. I don't, I just adapt.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:34 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Spanish Air Force: Now with magic.

Spain only has 4 there were at least 70 aircraft...And on wikipedia it makes no mention that your 707's are tankers, so that's a big leap.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:37 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Air supremacy? Over my land? WOHAHAHAHAHA! /shakes wine glass.

I'll have supremacy until the last days of the PCU.

And cheating you say? Naaaay! Only correcting a mistake my dear child.


So then because it's not the uber-armored carrier, then it's at the bottom of the ocean now?
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| March 16, 2011, 6:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

So then because it's not the uber-armored carrier, then it's at the bottom of the ocean now?

Oh, it's still alive and kicking. It can, and will, make it back to base.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:42 pm
Quoting henry wang
Spain only has 4 there were at least 70 aircraft...And on wikipedia it makes no mention that your 707's are tankers, so that's a big leap.


Magical islands with runways out in the middle of the Atlantic that I seem to reference often but no one knows where they are: Now with magic.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:45 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Magical islands with runways out in the middle of the Atlantic that I seem to reference often but no one knows where they are: Now with magic.

A yes, the Azores, but I still doubt that his fighters can go from Cuba, bomb Houston, then fly halfway through the Atlantic to your islands.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:51 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Oh, it's still alive and kicking. It can, and will, make it back to base.

I find it interesting that you are so blindly optimistic about this. Let's just see, eh?

Without aircraft, it's easy pickings. It's almost dead in the water. It won't make it home. I suggest you abandon ship or scuttle it before I take it for spite.

On an economic note: how come there are severe doubters as to Britain's ability to field more than three carriers, yet the PCU is able to field, what, 6 or more? And no one cares. Not only that, they manufacture another one that is 'uber-armored' in some way with a mere fraction of the US's former economic power. Now, we've debunked the old "Theyz been 'round forevaz!" as a viable rebuttal. So, where are the doubters now? Is there a double standard?

I also request that the PCU make available all numbers of aircraft and naval power for everyone to see. Why shouldn't they? Look over at the statistics thread, there are mine and my allies' numbers for the looking. It's not a huge deal, I just would like to watch them dwindle.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:53 pm
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China balks at this confusion of facts.

In the Middle-Kingdom:
-Buildin buildin buildin, keep em factories buildin...
-Tibetan rebels being fought back. China is one step closer to re-unification.
-Attackers from the skies will find our airspace unpleasant, as of late.

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| March 16, 2011, 6:54 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I find it interesting that you are so blindly optimistic about this. Let's just see, eh?

Without aircraft, it's easy pickings. It's almost dead in the water. It won't make it home. I suggest you abandon ship or scuttle it before I take it for spite.

On an economic note: how come there are severe doubters as to Britain's ability to field more than three carriers, yet the PCU is able to field, what, 6 or more? And no one cares. Not only that, they manufacture another one that is 'uber-armored' in some way with a mere fraction of the US's former economic power. Now, we've debunked the old "Theyz been 'round forevaz!" as a viable rebuttal. So, where are the doubters now? Is there a double standard?

I also request that the PCU make available all numbers of aircraft and naval power for everyone to see. Why shouldn't they? Look over at the statistics thread, there are mine and my allies' numbers for the looking. It's not a huge deal, I just would like to watch them dwindle.

I ain't gonna post my Naval Facts, because it ain't none of your business. But I'll assure you that we have less than 110 ships.
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| March 16, 2011, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I ain't gonna post my Naval Facts, because it ain't none of your business. But I'll assure you that we have less than 110 ships.

Unfortunately for you, it is. Oh, I feel soooo much better. Let me guess, you have 109?
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| March 16, 2011, 7:02 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Unfortunately for you, it is. Oh, I feel soooo much better. Let me guess, you have 109?

I'm not giving up my facts, plain and simple.

And money? We've got money. Adult Photography/Videos brings in billions of dollars a year for the US. Most of that is made in California, I think. Tax that, and you've got da money.
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| March 16, 2011, 7:05 pm
Quoting henry wang
A yes, the Azores, but I still doubt that his fighters can go from Cuba, bomb Houston, then fly halfway through the Atlantic to your islands.


Good point. The exact details of my part(And I'm not making this up on the spot) were that the Conquistador and the Juan Carlos I would receive as many fighters as they could, refuel them, and send them on their merry way. Bombers might not have made it then, just fighters.
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| March 16, 2011, 7:08 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Good point. The exact details of my part(And I'm not making this up on the spot) were that the Conquistador and the Juan Carlos I would receive as many fighters as they could, refuel them, and send them on their merry way. Bombers might not have made it then, just fighters.

Got it, but for the record they could only land on Conquistador because Juan Carlos can only support VSTOL aircraft.

@Nick that money includes all the money made by selling videos around America, so I'd guess your income might have gone down. And that won't bring in the 5 billion plus you need to build an aircraft carrier (minus aircraft).
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| March 16, 2011, 7:16 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Attention, The First large battle ship of the growing Angolan navy has finished production. It is currently awaiting battle at the madagascar Naval base.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mango_train/5532454031/

The combined Angolan and Australian invasion force is advancing off from Madagascar tonight. They landings will occur on Seychelles tomorrow tonight or the next day.
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| March 16, 2011, 7:24 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Even with about 10 bunker-busters penetrating the decks and exploding in the deep bowls of the ship? Not to mention what damage was put on it later. Honestly, carriers have been sunk by much less (recalls Falkland War). He should be facing raging fires, leaks all over, and crewmen dying by the minute. I think 'abandon ship' would have been called by now.

Crippled is crippled. Just because I didn't say "oh yes, there's also a damage control party fighting a desperate battle against -C-y-l-o-n- -b-o-a-r-d-e-r-s- fires belowdecks" doesn't mean it's not happening.

Quoting -> avalella
Right, but when Cliffe uses the EXACT same aircraft (that he bought from me), he managed to get past all of WC's defenses, bomb Houstan, then fly back over my territory, evade fire, and fly off into the sunset with any casualties, and get refueled by a magical mid-air refueler (we all know Egypt has tons of those lying around).

From what I've seen, with Tom, if you win, you win completely, and if you lose, you lose completely. Not to make him seem like he doesn't know what he's doing (given the monkey leavings that get flung at him he should get a medal) but in reality the victor tends to lose almost as much as the defeated enemy. Except when he's got massive advantages in all areas of his military, but that doesn't happen in this group.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Right, I smell a rat. AREESTA!!! Nick's cheating!!!

Uh, I got a list of carriers from him yesterday. From what I can see, the only switch here is the names; formerly it was the Reagan that got up to no good WRT oil rigs, now it's the John Hood. Far as I know, all his carriers are the same class, and I'm pretty sure you can only put so much armour on a ship before it becomes a floating island.
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| March 16, 2011, 7:30 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Crippled is crippled. Just because I didn't say "oh yes, there's also a damage control party fighting a desperate battle against -C-y-l-o-n- -b-o-a-r-d-e-r-s- fires belowdecks" doesn't mean it's not happening.

Quoting -> avalella
Right, but when Cliffe uses the EXACT same aircraft (that he bought from me), he managed to get past all of WC's defenses, bomb Houstan, then fly back over my territory, evade fire, and fly off into the sunset with any casualties, and get refueled by a magical mid-air refueler (we all know Egypt has tons of those lying around).

From what I've seen, with Tom, if you win, you win completely, and if you lose, you lose completely. Not to make him seem like he doesn't know what he's doing (given the monkey leavings that get flung at him he should get a medal) but in reality the victor tends to lose almost as much as the defeated enemy. Except when he's got massive advantages in all areas of his military, but that doesn't happen in this group.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Right, I smell a rat. AREESTA!!! Nick's cheating!!!

Uh, I got a list of carriers from him yesterday. From what I can see, the only switch here is the names; formerly it was the Reagan that got up to no good WRT oil rigs, now it's the John Hood. Far as I know, all his carriers are the same class, and I'm pretty sure you can only put so much armour on a ship before it becomes a floating island.

No, it was all a misunderstanding. The Reagan was in the GoM, the Hood in the GoC.
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| March 16, 2011, 7:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Even though his is built in micro scale and you can't tell much about it other than 'it looks cool' but mine are too small for what I try to say it can do in minifig scale. Without being vindictive, because I'm honestly trying to learn what goes better with the CMs (since it is based on individual feelings and not actual performance, 'cause we can't exactly test that), is that the lesson we learn from this? That we should build in micro scale so we can make whatever claims we want to?

I'm not saying it's too small, I'm commenting on the fact that lego aircraft in general tend to be around .75 as large as they should be.

If anything, that doesn't apply anyhow.

I rate combat units into three general categories:
Front line (ex. IRL Leopard 2)
Second line (ex. IRL Challenger I)
and Emergency stores (ex. IRL M60.)

Far as I'm concerned, your B3 is a front line tactical bomber, meaning it doesn't have the range or altitude of, say, an Arketer, which'd be a strategic or superstrategic bomber. So while an Arketer, with its monstrous wingspan, can take the option of carrying a reduced bomb load in exchange for flying at extremely high altitude, your B3, being more of a scaled up fighter than a strategic bomber, can't. Equally, your F-32Ss and Nick's MAF-2s are more or less equal.

Maybe it's not the FAIREST method, since it doesn't really recognize super-duper hyper advanced ultra stuff, but it works for me.

Also Revision: since WC satellite operators noticed the Chinese Arketers en route, most of the important officers on Midway managed to evacuate.
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| March 16, 2011, 8:06 pm
Quoting Matt P
The combined Angolan and Australian invasion force is advancing off from Madagascar tonight. They landings will occur on Seychelles tomorrow tonight or the next day.

Thanks, I was just about to give the order.
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| March 16, 2011, 8:34 pm
I will send 20,000 soldiers, 20 main battle tanks and 15 DH-11s in my invasion force. the DH-11 will destroy and seaside bunkers followed by the tanks and soldiers to take care of machine gun nests/infantry.
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| March 16, 2011, 8:40 pm
ALL unassigned CDC fighter squadrons are being deployed to air bases in the Bahamas, to keep the PCU carrier in the Carribean. The only way that carrier is getting out of here is with a Cuban flag. Also, the first civilians to spot the carrier will recieve a $1,000,000 upon its sinking. We are offering the PCU an oppritunity to surrender the vessel to the CDC, on the terms that all crewmen and aircraft are immeadiatly sent back to the PCU unharmed.
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| March 16, 2011, 8:40 pm
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