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Highlights:

~Ultra and I Vs Nick

~Tom angry in general

~Brikkr and Nick creating opposable statistics

~several people peeved at Tom, accusations of combat modding bias involved.

~other
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| March 7, 2011, 11:12 pm
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Any further posts in the ICF about that business will be deleted and relocated here.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:15 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Believe me, if I was biased, you would have known it.

I am simply stating that many of the people on our side think you are biased.

also, you WERE biased, unless you randomly decided that Ultra got unlucky an unbelievable amount of times, and that Egypt got unbelievably lucky sneaking through the defence without being spotted by Ultra's satellites.
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| March 7, 2011, 11:57 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan

~Brikkr and Nick creating opposable statistics.

I fixed it, son!
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| March 7, 2011, 11:58 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan

Let's just chill, the arguments have been all played out by now. No sense beating a dead horse.
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| March 8, 2011, 3:56 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Danny Morgan

Let's just chill, the arguments have been all played out by now. No sense beating a dead horse.

I would like to let it go, but he keeps messaging me telling me how s#1+ Uzbekistan is. But I have asked him to stop messaging me, so that might work.
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| March 8, 2011, 4:41 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I would like to let it go, but he keeps messaging me telling me how s#1+ Uzbekistan is. But I have asked him to stop messaging me, so that might work.


Can't handle the truth.
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| March 8, 2011, 4:49 pm
Ham, could you possibly mlnd your own business, and maybe consider getting a life?
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| March 8, 2011, 4:59 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Ham, could you possibly mlnd your own business, and maybe consider getting a life?


Shouldn't you be in school?
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| March 8, 2011, 5:17 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Shouldn't you be in school?

Shouldn't you uh... Get a Llfe?
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| March 8, 2011, 5:21 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Shouldn't you uh... Get a Llfe?


Gee, what a life you have. Going on the pages at school. Obsessing over something on the internet. Multiple things, in fact.
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| March 8, 2011, 5:24 pm
We'd like Danny to stop acting like he's ten feet tall on Gmail. Sincerely, the Evil League of Evil.
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| March 8, 2011, 5:33 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Gee, what a life you have. Going on the pages at school. Obsessing over something on the internet. Multiple things, in fact.

I'm not at school....
So how about getting a llfe and minding your own business eh?
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| March 8, 2011, 5:35 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
We'd like Danny to stop acting like he's ten feet tall on Gmail. Sincerely, the Evil League of Evil.

Whacha talk in about Willis?

I'm not even on Gmail...
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| March 8, 2011, 5:36 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Whacha talk in about Willis?

You know of what I speak. You say China is over-rated as a military power and that we're "f****d."
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| March 8, 2011, 5:38 pm
I'm just saying you're disrespecting the best CM out there because you can't handle the fact you picked the worst country, and can't do anything. Oh, and that things didn't go your way.
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| March 8, 2011, 5:41 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I'm just saying you're disrespecting the best CM out there because you can't handle the fact you picked the worst country, and can't do anything. Oh, and that things didn't go your way.

No you weren't, you were saying I should be at school. I far from think Tom is the best mod out there, and please (Tom) don't continue trying to persuade me otherwise. We are all entitled to our opinions. And what you're saying is ridiculous. I am happy with my decision for choosing Uzbek, and so far I'm a lot better off than Indonesia. Now PLEASE mind your own business and....

You guessed it. Get A Llfe.
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| March 8, 2011, 5:47 pm
LADIES! LADIES! Quit arguing and focus on your country! This group was created for fun, not so you can yell at each other and use language! seriosly! why is this such a big deal! Maybe you can try handling this problem in a mature fashion instead of calling each other losers!
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| March 8, 2011, 6:04 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
No you weren't, you were saying I should be at school. I far from think Tom is the best mod out there, and please (Tom) don't continue trying to persuade me otherwise. We are all entitled to our opinions. And what you're saying is ridiculous. I am happy with my decision for choosing Uzbek, and so far I'm a lot better off than Indonesia. Now PLEASE mind your own business and....

You guessed it. Get A Llfe.


I am the entity known as the Whitemare. I need not a life, for I am infinite.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:07 pm
@ Nick
Yeah I said you were pretty much dead if the war continued, after all you've lost about half your military. And I did say that you overrate China, in response to you saying that China could single handedly take on the whole world, after all, Awe's only posted one Creation for it. This '10 foot tall' business is still something that baffles me.

And btw Ham,
How come you were even allowed into this group and you have no creations here or on Flickr?
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| March 8, 2011, 6:09 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
@ Nick
Yeah I said you were pretty much dead if the war continued, after all you've lost about half your military. And I did say that you overrate China, in response to you saying that China could single handedly take on the whole world, after all, Awe's only posted one Creation for it. This '10 foot tall' business is still something that baffles me.

And btw Ham,
How come you were even allowed into this group and you have no creations here or on Flickr?


Maybe because all my stuff on Flickr got deleted when I was banned?

Also:
Arketer bomber
Dove fighter
HAT-1 Mk. II
And more...
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| March 8, 2011, 6:18 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Danny Morgan
How come you were even allowed into this group and you have no creations here or on Flickr?


I hope Ham does not mind if I answer for him. He has never posted any of his MOCs on MOCpages, and his first flickr account was deleted after a major flamewar (or something like that). He hasn't reposed them yet, although it would be best if he did.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:20 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Maybe because all my stuff on Flickr got deleted when I was banned?

Also:
Arketer bomber
Dove fighter
HAT-1 Mk. II
And more...

Lol, Hamster got banned?
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| March 8, 2011, 6:22 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I hope Ham does not mind if I answer for him. He has never posted any of his MOCs on MOCpages, and his first flickr account was deleted after a major flamewar (or something like that). He hasn't reposed them yet, although it would be best if he did.

Yeah he should repost them, I don't think he can even go to war if he doesn't have any right?
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| March 8, 2011, 6:24 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I hope Ham does not mind if I answer for him. He has never posted any of his MOCs on MOCpages, and his first flickr account was deleted after a major flamewar (or something like that). He hasn't reposed them yet, although it would be best if he did.


I'll whip up a collab pic or something.

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| March 8, 2011, 6:26 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'll whip up a collab pic or something.


Sounds good to me.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:26 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I loled at you. Yep, the United States of America made every country ever. Germany, we made that in an afternoon. China, those civil wars meant nothing. UK, stop lying. You didn't make us. Hey Japan, we made you with nuclear power. Those things about firebombing your civilians was a lie. Yo Italy, why do you praise Garibaldi? Praise Lincoln!

I notice you didn't mention the French, so you must admit my point there. Actually, we licked Germany twice, and liberated them once by default. Rebuilding or helping to in most cases. Civil wars? We liberated them and fought the Japanese with them side-by-side. Nuclear bombs were unfortunate to say the least, but it saved a projected million in American, Japanese, and civilian lives in the long run. And, yes, we liberated Italy when they decided to join us (am I repeating myself here?), but it wasn't Lincoln.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:33 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I notice you didn't mention the French, so you must admit my point there. Actually, we licked Germany twice, and liberated them once by default. Rebuilding or helping to in most cases. Civil wars? We liberated them and fought the Japanese with them side-by-side. Nuclear bombs were unfortunate to say the least, but it saved a projected million in American, Japanese, and civilian lives in the long run. And, yes, we liberated Italy when they decided to join us (am I repeating myself here?), but it wasn't Lincoln.

Still, you got to admit, y'all came from England.
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| March 8, 2011, 6:37 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Civil wars? We liberated them and fought the Japanese with them side-by-side.


But not before we helped weaken the Qing Empire to the collapsing point along with Britain, France, Germany, and Russia, and destabilize the entire nation. Same for the Philippines, kick the Spanish out, crush the pro-democracy rebels in a very costly guerrilla war, and wait for later to make them independent.

/darker moment of American history
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| March 8, 2011, 6:42 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But not before we helped weaken the Qing Empire to the collapsing point along with Britain, France, Germany, and Russia, and destabilize the entire nation. Same for the Philippines, kick the Spanish out, crush the pro-democracy rebels in a very costly guerrilla war, and wait for later to make them independent.

/darker moment of American history

If we compare the age of England and the U.S, or the U.S. and most successful nations for that matter, we find that America is much less violent than all these other nations.

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| March 8, 2011, 7:38 pm
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Quoting Will G.
If we compare the age of England and the U.S, or the U.S. and most successful nations for that matter, we find that America is much less violent than all these other nations.


Much less violent? Doubtful. Much better at promoting freedom? Yes, but it's not without it's flaws.

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| March 8, 2011, 7:46 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
But not before we helped weaken the Qing Empire to the collapsing point along with Britain, France, Germany, and Russia, and destabilize the entire nation. Same for the Philippines, kick the Spanish out...

You must also remember that we have been the least violent of the bunch and the only one who isn't an empire unless when you say Russia you mean USSR.
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| March 8, 2011, 7:55 pm
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Quoting henry wang
You must also remember that we have been the least violent of the bunch and the only one who isn't an empire unless when you say Russia you mean USSR.


Indeed, indeed.
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| March 8, 2011, 7:58 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Much less violent? Doubtful. Much better at promoting freedom? Yes, but it's not without it's flaws.

Did I mention age somewhere in there?

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| March 8, 2011, 8:07 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Did I mention age somewhere in there?


I don't know, I'm just passing through here.
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| March 8, 2011, 8:13 pm
Blah Blah Blah rage Blah Blah Blah meme Blah Blarg.
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| March 8, 2011, 9:26 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But not before we helped weaken the Qing Empire to the collapsing point along with Britain, France, Germany, and Russia, and destabilize the entire nation. Same for the Philippines, kick the Spanish out, crush the pro-democracy rebels in a very costly guerrilla war, and wait for later to make them independent.

/darker moment of American history

Yep, and as I recall, they were conducting a little ethnic purge of all foreigners, no? Yep, the Philippine situation could have been handled better, but let me remind you of a few other country's histories, stroll with me, won't you?

Britain: India (Massacres & counter massacres & stuff like that)
Germany: WWI & WWII ('Nuff said)
France: French & Indian Wars (You know, massacring settlers through the Indians, just one example)
Australia: Rounding up Aboriginals by the dozens, killing them and stuffing them for museums as "Transitional Species" and "Missing Links." (Yeah, that happened)
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| March 8, 2011, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


Oh yes, everyone has a dark side. Germany by far has the best one.
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| March 8, 2011, 10:46 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Germany: WWI & WWII ('Nuff said)

You can't really blame the Germans for that.

The Great War was everyone's fault; the whole planet was looking for an excuse for a punch-up, particularly France.

The second war grew directly out of the rest of the planet getting greedy and heaping all the blame on Germany.
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| March 8, 2011, 11:11 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
You can't really blame the Germans for that.

We can, and we do. We are all responsible for our own actions. Certain things may lead us, but ultimately, it's our fault.
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| March 8, 2011, 11:29 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Actually, WW1 was mostly the fault of the Serbians and Russians, if anything.

WW2 was caused by Hitler, who gained a following by feeding off of feelings of resentment. The actual nation of Germany was dragged (somewhat unwillingly) into a massive war.

I know about WWI, it was a huge mess. That still doesn't excuse the Germans, they voted Hitler in, didn't they? They could have revolted, fought his brown-shirts on the very streets, but they sat by and watched as their neighbors were hauled off & killed. Maybe unwillingly, but not forcefully.
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| March 8, 2011, 11:46 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I know about WWI, it was a huge mess. That still doesn't excuse the Germans, they voted Hitler in, didn't they? They could have revolted, fought his brown-shirts on the very streets, but they sat by and watched as their neighbors were hauled off & killed. Maybe unwillingly, but not forcefully.


I would have voted for him too. My nation humiliated and forced to pay for everything, stripped of all but a basic military, in massive financial ruin and chaos... I'd look for someone to blame, and someone to restore my nation to it's former might.

And that's what Hitler gave them.
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| March 9, 2011, 12:17 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I would have voted for him too. My nation humiliated and forced to pay for everything, stripped of all but a basic military, in massive financial ruin and chaos... I'd look for someone to blame, and someone to restore my nation to it's former might.

And that's what Hitler gave them.

I never would have signed the treaty, personally. I might have, but I would have been a Dietrich Bonhoeffer after about two months when he showed his true colors.
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| March 9, 2011, 12:15 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I still don't understand your reasoning behind the elimination of the PCU. The only one showing hostilities on the continent is the one who wants peace on the continent. You.

You swore up and down you didn't want the Pacific War boiling over onto the continent when Jake attacked your ships, and then you go and attack Midway. You know the only difference between an attack on Midway and an attack on the mainland is? One combat report. Given your past history, that made the second possibility all too real.

It was inevitable, you always acted like your territory was too small for you. It was just a matter of who struck first, the cobra (you) or the rattlesnake (me).

You threatened to send black ops in and steal plans from Texas, you just want me to ignore that? You attacked my sovereign territory in the Pacific, you want peace after that? Perhaps you should have thought over that first, eh?
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| March 13, 2011, 7:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You swore up and down you didn't want the Pacific War boiling over onto the continent when Jake attacked your ships, and then you go and attack Midway. You know the only difference between an attack on Midway and an attack on the mainland is? One combat report. Given your past history, that made the second possibility all too real.

It was inevitable, you always acted like your territory was too small for you. It was just a matter of who struck first, the cobra (you) or the rattlesnake (me).

You threatened to send black ops in and steal plans from Texas, you just want me to ignore that? You attacked my sovereign territory in the Pacific, you want peace after that? Perhaps you should have thought over that first, eh?

I didn't want no war on the continent. I wanted the war over in Asia so I could get back to more important issues.

I did not threaten to send special activity troops to Texas. I said that the only way I could get a certain type of plane was to raid Texas, but that I couldn't do that because I don't raid allies.

And you know what happens when the condemned to die come back to life, they come for revenge.

Make no mistake, I will not rest until I have my revenge.
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| March 14, 2011, 7:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

Make no mistake, I will not rest until I have my revenge.


By all the powers of evil!
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| March 14, 2011, 7:46 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I didn't want no war on the continent. I wanted the war over in Asia so I could get back to more important issues.

So you wanted the war over in Asia so you could watch them from the Führerbunker of the Pacific and laugh at them. My interpretation of it at least.
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| March 14, 2011, 8:11 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I did not threaten to send special activity troops to Texas. I said that the only way I could get a certain type of plane was to raid Texas, but that I couldn't do that because I don't raid allies.

But you attack them without hesitation, is that what I take from that? If you'd attack Midway, you'd raid Texas. I don't see how you don't see that.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Make no mistake, I will not rest until I have my revenge.

You're going to be one tired puppy then!
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| March 14, 2011, 8:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
She's not Christian. She's Catholic. Believe it or not, there is a marked difference.

Added some accusations of hypocrisy of my own.
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| March 14, 2011, 8:37 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Of course. Had this been the previous group, I'd be applying the same thinking to you in this war, but it's not. I'll take the high road of villainy this time, you seem to be doing better on the low one than I ever could. But don't start complaining when someone without my set of rules decides to start slaughtering your people because they're Americans, not [X].

I'm not understanding your sudden hostilities here. We've gone over the Japan thing too many times already, and I have explained my actions. You think I'm a big.ot, don't you? Can you point out to me what race an American is? We're the melting pot, remember? I am no rac.ist. I just happen to hold Americans (regardless of race, color, creed, or make) in slightly higher regard (Americans come first, we eliminate poverty here before trying to eliminate it someplace else, we cure cancer here first, etc). Except the English, Australians, and New Zealanders, they're just cool.

Anyway, you know who I am from conversations elsewhere. And you know that the person and character I portray in this group as my country isn't a very accurate reflection of who I am (Stout morals, yes. Good character, yes. Honor (depending on who you are), yes. Really bad genocide dude, not so much.) in real life.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Because some people have a little thing called "morals" in this world, and don't just focus on warfare.

I thought Buddhists were moral relativists?
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| March 17, 2011, 10:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

I thought Buddhists were moral relativists?


I was referring to your paranoia that any aid in war is automatically sneaking in soldiers. I'll state it again: Some people in this world have morals.

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| March 17, 2011, 10:53 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I was referring to your paranoia that any aid in war is automatically sneaking in soldiers. I'll state it again: Some people in this world have morals.

When the time comes, they will be taken prisoner and treated properly. However, if they do take up arms, they will be executed as spies. So, you have nothing to fear if you mean no harm.
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| March 17, 2011, 11:05 pm
Wait what?
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| March 26, 2011, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


I'm just confused on the double standard that American civilians get to be exempt from being killed needlessly while other civilians of the world do not. I don't get that. I'm aware you're not racist or anything, I'm just pointing out this strange exception you've seemingly made here. That's not how I roll, my rules apply to everyone, instead of being exempt or enacted in certain places.

As for the war, I'm only in it to save Nick.
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| March 26, 2011, 6:44 pm
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