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International Conversation Forum XVII
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Highlights:

-New belligerents in the Third(?) American Civil War

-Minor territory grabs

-Mudslinging

-Other

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| March 27, 2011, 4:06 pm
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I think it should be called the Great American War. Because half the group is in on it one way or another. At least the big talkers, like me, Ultra, and Nick.

Anyways... Stuff is normal here in China, as normal as it gets in a realm ruled by me.
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| March 27, 2011, 4:23 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
@Ultramarine: SR-71, perhaps?

Apparently a third-world (second-world?) country can make something better these days...
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| March 27, 2011, 4:44 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
/fixes

Wait, what are you talking about, Ultra? The f37?

Is France a second or third-world country? Then no, not you.
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| March 27, 2011, 5:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Is France a second or third-world country? Then no, not you.

I'm confused...
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| March 27, 2011, 5:08 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
/fixes

Wait, what are you talking about, Ultra? The f37?

He's referring to Areetsa being a 3rd world country making a fairly advanced (and expensive) interceptor.
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| March 27, 2011, 5:20 pm
Matt! Y U NO CR?!
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| March 27, 2011, 6:39 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Matt! Y U NO CR?!

Why don't you chill? Your super offensive can be on hold for another hour or two, can't it?
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| March 27, 2011, 6:43 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Why don't you chill? Your super offensive can be on hold for another hour or two, can't it?

No, I just don't like waiting two whole days for a simple report!
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| March 27, 2011, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Why don't you chill? Your super offensive can be on hold for another hour or two, can't it?


Two hours? Try two days. Nick's impatient, I'm getting there myself. We will wait, since Hacker's the only CM of quality we have.

Unless Areetsa and Tom want to come back and split this war three ways between them.
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| March 27, 2011, 6:45 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Matt! Y U NO CR?!

I would have it up by now. XD
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| March 27, 2011, 6:46 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Unless Areetsa and Tom want to come back and split this war three ways between them.

Arty drops plans and Tom's good, but he's an all-or-nothing guy. I'll just handle the suspense.
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| March 27, 2011, 6:52 pm
Everyone calm down, Ok so Matt has a lot of work to get done tonight, so he probably won't get a CR out tonight.
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| March 27, 2011, 6:53 pm
Quoting henry wang
Everyone calm down, Ok so Matt has a lot of work to get done tonight, so he probably won't get a CR out tonight.

If it takes three days, maybe we should find a new man.
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| March 27, 2011, 7:06 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
If it takes three days, maybe we should find a new man.

We're chewing through CMs faster than a bag of chips...

I think we should stick with this one.
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| March 27, 2011, 7:07 pm
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I'll be the CM, as long as you don't mind HAT-1s turning into giant death robots.

>.>

I'm actually advocating splitting the job up myself.
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| March 27, 2011, 7:09 pm
You guys just need to be patient, he's already being forced to juggle all these things, so the least you guys can do is give him some courtesy. And you guys don't have anyone else who has the time or is up to it so I'd say just give him a day or two. It's not like the war will change in any way if you guys wait.
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| March 27, 2011, 7:24 pm
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Quoting henry wang
You guys just need to be patient, he's already being forced to juggle all these things, so the least you guys can do is give him some courtesy. And you guys don't have anyone else who has the time or is up to it so I'd say just give him a day or two. It's not like the war will change in any way if you guys wait.

You don't have to convince me. I'm good (as I've said) and I like the way he does it!
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| March 27, 2011, 7:29 pm
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Well Jeez, guys. I know that its taking a while but this is literally the only week/weekend that I've been this busy all year. It was just a bad time to become CM, and something that I could not have foreseen. Also, still need to study for 2 more tests tonight, but tomorrow afternoon/night I am clear. I'll get it all done tomorrow afternoon, although I can understand if you guys want that one to be my last.
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| March 27, 2011, 7:50 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Well Jeez, guys. I know that its taking a while but this is literally the only week/weekend that I've been this busy all year. It was just a bad time to become CM, and something that I could not have foreseen. Also, still need to study for 2 more tests tonight, but tomorrow afternoon/night I am clear. I'll get it all done tomorrow afternoon, although I can understand if you guys want that one to be my last.


We can still wait. However, if it turned out you were always going to be this busy, I still think that splitting the job up between people would be the best thing to do. Less work for everyone. But as I said, that's if this goes to heII.
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| March 27, 2011, 7:53 pm
I propose that Dr. Spontaneous become the new Combat Moderator. This would benefit us, the Axis, due to the removal of a questionable (nothing personal, but you gotta admit it, it's hard not to be biased when you're rooting for a particular side :/) combat moderator, and the Allies due to the addition of Matt to their ranks. Thus, this is undoubtedly fair.

I suggest that Matt have help from Spontaneous when writing the next CR to get Spontaneous up to speed with the situation. This should become standard, seeing how often standing orders are lost when new CMs come in.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:03 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I propose that Dr. Spontaneous become the new Combat Moderator. This would benefit us, the Axis, due to the removal of a questionable (nothing personal, but you gotta admit it, it's hard not to be biased when you're rooting for a particular side :/) combat moderator, and the Allies due to the addition of Matt to their ranks. Thus, this is undoubtedly fair.

I suggest that Matt have help from Spontaneous when writing the next CR to get Spontaneous up to speed with the situation. This should become standard, seeing how often standing orders are lost when new CMs come in.


Like I said, while I admit leaning more towards the allied cause, It doesn't reflect in the Combat Reporting. If it was biased like you are insinuating, all of Nick's pacific fleet would be gone after the last engagement (which is something that some other admins [stares at Evan] wanted to happen to speed up the war), he would have lost Midway already, some of the Arketers would have been destroyed, etc. Also, it is not hard to claim bias when things aren't going your way, but I give credit where credit is deserved. If you recall, even though I have spoke against "supertanks" like the HAT 1, they have been doing their job well. Just pointing this out because I think that if I were to be biased in any area it would be about that.

I thank the Allies and "Axis" for their patience and very muted claims of bias. Also, thank you guys for being supportive.

I feel obliged to tell you that I sent Luke the Eastern Front orders for his trial run that he has been longing for, so that will be here soon (hopefully).
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| March 27, 2011, 9:17 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Like I said, while I admit leaning more towards the allied cause, It doesn't reflect in the Combat Reporting. If it was biased like you are insinuating, all of Nick's pacific fleet would be gone after the last engagement (which is something that some other admins [stares at Evan] wanted to happen to speed up the war), he would have lost Midway already, some of the Arketers would have been destroyed, etc. Also, it is not hard to claim bias when things aren't going your way, but I give credit where credit is deserved. If you recall, even though I have spoke against "supertanks" like the HAT 1, they have been doing their job well. Just pointing this out because I think that if I were to be biased in any area it would be about that.

I thank the Allies and "Axis" for their patience and very muted claims of bias. Also, thank you guys for being supportive.

I feel obliged to tell you that I sent Luke the Eastern Front orders for his trial run that he has been longing for, so that will be here soon (hopefully).

I know, I'm sorry if I insinuated a bit too much. You've shown incredible restraint so far, for which I applaud you. But I still think it would be a good idea to have Sponty do the next CR with you to get him up to speed so he can do the next ones so you can focus on your studies. School is le importante.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:33 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I propose that Dr. Spontaneous become the new Combat Moderator. This would benefit us, the Axis, due to the removal of a questionable (nothing personal, but you gotta admit it, it's hard not to be biased when you're rooting for a particular side :/) combat moderator, and the Allies due to the addition of Matt to their ranks. Thus, this is undoubtedly fair.

I suggest that Matt have help from Spontaneous when writing the next CR to get Spontaneous up to speed with the situation. This should become standard, seeing how often standing orders are lost when new CMs come in.

No offense but this really sounds unreasonable. Matt has yet to show ANY signs of bias at all, and most of us will agree that (when he gets around to it ;]) he is likely the best mod this group has seen. I think that it would just slow things down having to have Erik check everything over for signs of "bias" (isn't he like in hibernation due to allergies?). Lets not all get uppity because the CM that VOLUNTEERED for this isn't performing to your expectations. We're not exactly doing him any favors by "letting" him mod. If we questioned every mod's loyalty, no one would do it.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:34 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Like I said, while I admit leaning more towards the allied cause, It doesn't reflect in the Combat Reporting. If it was biased like you are insinuating, all of Nick's pacific fleet would be gone after the last engagement (which is something that some other admins [stares at Evan] wanted to happen to speed up the war), he would have lost Midway already, some of the Arketers would have been destroyed, etc. Also, it is not hard to claim bias when things aren't going your way, but I give credit where credit is deserved. If you recall, even though I have spoke against "supertanks" like the HAT 1, they have been doing their job well. Just pointing this out because I think that if I were to be biased in any area it would be about that.

I thank the Allies and "Axis" for their patience and very muted claims of bias. Also, thank you guys for being supportive.

I feel obliged to tell you that I sent Luke the Eastern Front orders for his trial run that he has been longing for, so that will be here soon (hopefully).

No nonononononononono...

I don't mind waiting at all. I got used to it with Arty, and I think you are the most qualified choice. Please, stay on.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I know, I'm sorry if I insinuated a bit too much. You've shown incredible restraint so far, for which I applaud you. But I still think it would be a good idea to have Sponty do the next CR with you to get him up to speed so he can do the next ones so you can focus on your studies. School is le importante.

U mad? I'm tempted to rehash some of the things that were said by you all when Tom was CM. He wasn't biased, and neither is Matt.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:36 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
School is le importante.


Indeed it is, and thank you. I too think Erik would be a good choice but I have not even seen him around the past few days.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:36 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Indeed it is, and thank you. I too think Erik would be a good choice but I have not even seen him around the past few days.

I saw him on Facebook. >.>
<.<


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| March 27, 2011, 9:42 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
If it was biased like you are insinuating, all of Nick's pacific fleet would be gone after the last engagement (which is something that some other admins [stares at Evan] wanted to happen to speed up the war),

Wait, I just had a sudden inspiration, can Evan do it?

Quoting Matt Hacker

Indeed it is, and thank you. I too think Erik would be a good choice but I have not even seen him around the past few days.

Well, someone with experience, I suppose.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:45 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I saw him on Facebook. >.>
<.<


Yeah. He's on Facebook all the time. Go lookz.

I'm sure he'd be happy to mod. Or at least help in modding.

You know, I like a certain quality of Matt's modding. Maybe it should be a combined effort between Matt and Spontaneous.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:45 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

hold in there...I'm almost done.

btw I'm on flickr more than mocpages.
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| March 27, 2011, 9:57 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

hold in there...I'm almost done.

btw I'm on flickr more than mocpages.

Thank you. So. Freaking. Much.
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| March 27, 2011, 10:03 pm
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I see him all the time on Facebook too, but he never responds, hence, how I have not seen him really.
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| March 27, 2011, 10:06 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
I see him all the time on Facebook too, but he never responds, hence, how I have not seen him really.

he could have AIM...
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| March 27, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
... it's hard not to be biased when you're rooting for a particular side :/...

I'm as Axis as it's possible to be, and I didn't get any complaints of bias. Only using the most recent orders, yes, but no bias.

Quoting Brikkr ™
He's referring to Areetsa being a 3rd world country making a fairly advanced (and expensive) interceptor.

I'm hardly third world. Kazakhstan, as of 2010, had one of the fastest growing economies in the world. The bit of China I have is quite wealthy as well.

I'd say I'm 1st-and-a-third world.


Maybe it's advanced and expensive, I'm not contesting that. But if you want the absolute best in fighter technology, you have to accept a fairly high price.

Quoting Ultramarine
And that is why I use aircraft that you can't see at all. Mine have guns, too...

Ah, but stealth aircraft are incapable of supersonic flight without making themselves detectable. They're also not equally stealthy in all directions. I wouldn't consider it a fair contest, especially considering you've got no idea what sort of guidance my planned missiles use.

Quoting Ultramarine
ICBMs travel faster than any other aircraft, and a LOT further out than yours could. We've got radar AND defenses against those (the RIM-161 SAM). I don't know of any aircraft that could make it from Russia to the US in 30 minutes, do you?

This is, as I said before, an INTERCEPTOR. As in, it detects bombers and it blows them out of the sky. Your RIM-161 is also, I believe, useless against non-missile targets. Other than that, using ICBMs on me would be... most foolish, for a variety of reasons. Just one of them is that in pretty much every conflict you've been involved in, you're the aggressor. If anything, Nick's a bit less harmful to stability than you are.

Quoting -> avalella
If we questioned every mod's loyalty, no one would do it.

Yeah they would, they'd just ignore half the things you said.
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| March 27, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Areetsa C



Ah, but stealth aircraft are incapable of supersonic flight without making themselves detectable. They're also not equally stealthy in all directions. I wouldn't consider it a fair contest, especially considering you've got no idea what sort of guidance my planned missiles use.


quite spike and a bunch of other sonic boom reducing technologies could probably make it possible to have supersonic stealth jet...in fact in the SU we have 25 five experimental stealthy supersonic jets. It's an on going project...
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| March 27, 2011, 10:19 pm
Quoting Jake H.
quite spike and a bunch of other sonic boom reducing technologies could probably make it possible to have supersonic stealth jet...in fact in the SU we have 25 five experimental stealthy supersonic jets. It's an on going project...

Have you ever heard of a spell-checker?

Besides, I'm not talking about sonic booms. I'm talking about the effect the increased speed has on radar cross-section and heat.

255 simultaneous stealth jet projects? Congratulations on your backruptcy.
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| March 27, 2011, 10:21 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
The bit of China I have is quite wealthy as well.


Yes... Yes it is...

>.>

<.<
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| March 27, 2011, 10:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Yes... Yes it is...

>.>

<.<

It fell of the back of a lorry, mmkay? It isn't MY fault the old PRC wasn't very good at hanging on to territory.
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| March 27, 2011, 10:26 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Have you ever heard of a spell-checker?

Besides, I'm not talking about sonic booms. I'm talking about the effect the increased speed has on radar cross-section and heat.

*25 simultaneous stealth jet projects? Congratulations on your *bankruptcy.

That's a good question in fact yes, I'm just rushed right now although you should check it out too.

No, they're all the same. We just have 25 because that way we don't have to worry too much about a couple of them being blown up >.>


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| March 27, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
It fell of the back of a lorry, mmkay? It isn't MY fault the old PRC wasn't very good at hanging on to territory.


We'll let this one go until you give us reason not to. Besides, nothing but pesky East Turkish and minerals there. I still have Gansu.
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| March 27, 2011, 10:39 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Ah, but stealth aircraft are incapable of supersonic flight without making themselves detectable. They're also not equally stealthy in all directions. I wouldn't consider it a fair contest, especially considering you've got no idea what sort of guidance my planned missiles use.

What corner of the sheltered world were you born in again? You obviously know nothing about stealth. That's probably why I lost 2 B-3s. Heck the F-22 goes supersonic just fine AND maintains its stealth.

Yeah right, I'm sure I don't. But if it's like anything else, it will fail. You chose the wrong country for the kind of tech you're talking about.

Quoting Areetsa C
This is, as I said before, an INTERCEPTOR. As in, it detects bombers and it blows them out of the sky. Your RIM-161 is also, I believe, useless against non-missile targets. Other than that, using ICBMs on me would be... most foolish, for a variety of reasons. Just one of them is that in pretty much every conflict you've been involved in, you're the aggressor. If anything, Nick's a bit less harmful to stability than you are.

Hello, that's why I'm developing the RIM-165. It's better, smaller, and it will kill your little pride and joy wherever it is, regardless. Try to get around it, I doubt your little story would fly with any CM.

Not including a gun on your uber-plane was, a big mistake. Unless you plan to ram them when your missiles go for the moon.

Yeah, sure. You are 100% wrong, though. In this case, Nick started the war. What is it with everyone blinding themselves to the fact that Nick attacked FIRST!

Really? You may now have ICBMs, (even though they take years to plan, develop, produce and build the silos, bases, tracking computers, and train the techs. However, I won't mention that. Wait, I just did.) but I bet you have absolutely no missile defenses.

Actually, no, I think that's a great point. It takes billions of dollars (which you don't have) for starters. Then, it took the USSR no fewer than 5 years to get theirs going from start to finish. It took the US 2 years and billions of dollars (which you don't have). So, tell me again how you did it in 4 weeks with the billions of dollars (which you don't have)? It should take you upwards of 7 years with your economy; if you consider that you're nowhere near the financial stability of the USSR.

"Oh, I had it in the past, so that means I must be able to make it faster and cheaper!" Really? Well, Russia took all your stuff decades ago. The tech went with them. And they destroyed the silos while they were at it... Each missile costs about 7 million/piece. Not to mention the construction process would have taken more than three weeks.

Oh, wait, you started it before then? Well, you didn't even come to the cold, hard reality that you didn't have one until I attacked you, so how could you have?
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| March 28, 2011, 12:05 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
What corner of the sheltered world were you born in again? You obviously know nothing about stealth. That's probably why I lost 2 B-3s. Heck the F-22 goes supersonic just fine AND maintains its stealth.

I don't think the F-22 is fully stealth. IIRC, it's a "reduced cross-section" aircraft, which just means it's a bit harder to detect at long range. And if I know nothing about stealth, it stands to reason that whoever wrote the Wikipedia article doesn't either.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah right, I'm sure I don't. But if it's like anything else, it will fail. You chose the wrong country for the kind of tech you're talking about.

Oh, I dunno about that. And even if, by some slim chance, I don't have the capability, I'm sure I can steal the tech from someone who does.

Quoting Ultramarine . Hello, that's why I'm developing the RIM-165. It's better, smaller, and it will kill your little pride and joy wherever it is, regardless. Try to get around it, I doubt your little story would fly with any CM.

Good luck getting one of those into the Caspian Sea, because that's the only way you'll be able to get SAMs within range of my territory without exposing them to 1939 style border ignoring raids.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Not including a gun on your uber-plane was, a big mistake. Unless you plan to ram them when your missiles go for the moon.

The speeds it flies at, a cannon would be useless. This is, again, not a dogfighter. In fact, chances are that unless I end up using a trainer variant as an emergency diplomat transport, none of them will leave my territory.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, sure. You are 100% wrong, though. In this case, Nick started the war. What is it with everyone blinding themselves to the fact that Nick attacked FIRST!

Nothing was stopping you from dropping it after the cease-fire.

Quoting Ultramarine .
ICBMS

Well, according to certain sources, I don't have ICBMs, so I've decided to use alternative methods as a deterrent.
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| March 28, 2011, 12:29 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
I don't think the F-22 is fully stealth. IIRC, it's a "reduced cross-section" aircraft, which just means it's a bit harder to detect at long range. And if I know nothing about stealth, it stands to reason that whoever wrote the Wikipedia article doesn't either.

It's stealth enough to beat anything you've got, pally. Not only that, but what I (and half the world) have produced since then means that it's better. So using the F-22 in this case isn't quite right.

Quoting Areetsa C
Oh, I dunno about that. And even if, by some slim chance, I don't have the capability, I'm sure I can steal the tech from someone who does.

No one does. Also, it would take you longer than this group would last to implement it after you get done with some of your other bankrupters.

Quoting Areetsa C
Good luck getting one of those into the Caspian Sea, because that's the only way you'll be able to get SAMs within range of my territory without exposing them to 1939 style border ignoring raids.

Just in case you try to get over here somehow.

Quoting Areetsa C
Nothing was stopping you from dropping it after the cease-fire.

Yeah, well, everyone has admitted that the 'villain block' has an elephant's memory, and the implied willingness to act on it. Not going to take that chance.

Quoting Areetsa C
Well, according to certain sources, I don't have ICBMs, so I've decided to use alternative methods as a deterrent.

Yeah, I saw those, and dealt with them. They can't get through now.
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| March 28, 2011, 12:45 am
I think I should stick with helicopters. I'd say that's the only modern-military thing I can create that doesn't look completely disgusting.

I say this because I may have a new helicopter coming soon...
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| March 28, 2011, 3:07 am
The fate of my nation hangs in the balance of Luke, the guy that picked Angola...
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| March 28, 2011, 8:06 am
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Quoting Will G.
The fate of my nation hangs in the balance of Luke, the guy that picked Angola...


Exactly what I was thinking.
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| March 28, 2011, 10:25 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Exactly what I was thinking.


Yeah, I knew that too. However, I figured that if something goes awry it only effects two nations, rather than 4-5.

And it avoids the most... Jacksonian of the players, so to speak.
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| March 28, 2011, 10:28 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Yeah, I knew that too. However, I figured that if something goes awry it only effects two nations, rather than 4-5.

And possibly the outcome of the war in an entire theater. I do hope if it goes too 'awry' that it is reversible by admin vote?
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| March 28, 2011, 12:28 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
And possibly the outcome of the war in an entire theater. I do hope if it goes too 'awry' that it is reversible by admin vote?


Yes.
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| March 28, 2011, 1:42 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Yes.

Excellent! Thank you.

I'm confident that will not be necessary. I did not mean to imply hostility or lack of confidence in that.
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| March 28, 2011, 1:48 pm
C'mon guys! Have faith in me!
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| March 28, 2011, 2:37 pm
Awry: They don't completely decimate their enemy.

That's why I have no chance of winning. If I ever reverse the lines they will accuse the CM of being biased towards my side.
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| March 28, 2011, 5:42 pm
I am TIRED of this CR! Especially you Will! Howmany orders can you give!

Nevertheless, I will have it up today.
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| March 28, 2011, 6:04 pm
Quoting luke peterson
I am TIRED of this CR! Especially you Will! Howmany orders can you give!

Nevertheless, I will have it up today.

If this hating extra orders effects my troops performance higher powers will be hearing about it.
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| March 28, 2011, 6:11 pm
Wait Luke is doing whose orders?
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| March 28, 2011, 6:23 pm
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Apparently I forgot that I have to read half of the Catcher in the Rye in 2 days. Crap. What you are about to see is possibly the worst CR ever written. However, this is really just a very condensed form of the CR that I usually write, so fret not, I did read all the orders, even if I won’t elaborate on them. Mostly unit of importance will be noted, the other equipment will be under the general infantry losses. Oh, and the special orders (IE sabotage, riots, etc. won’t be covered until the next CR or the next time that I have).
CR all fronts (minus Eastern)
Western/ Canada
Gains:
WC- Los Vegas (PCU pulled out)
Frontline- none- Stalemate, lots of CAP whizzing around with large scale tank battles. China’s forces are doing quite well in the defensive game. Chinese pincer action thwarted by WC aircraft and heavy reserves.
Canada- China 5 miles
Losses:
WC West- 500 men, 4 CAP aircraft, 9 tanks, 5 fighters
WC Canada- 300 men, 12 tanks, 6 CAP aircraft
China West- 6 HATs, 400 infantrymen, 10 fighters
China Canada 1000 infantry, 10 HATs
Jamaica- Nick wanted this to be a secret but was thwarted by Henry’s suspicion.
PCU raid to destroy B-3 production facilities
Results: facility damaged but not destroyed, Commonwealth gets pissed.
Gains: no territorial
Losses:
PCU
2 UAVs, 5 special forces troops, 1 C17 (after drop), 3 F18s
Commonwealth
25 Security Guards, 6 Army regulars, 1 F302
Pacific
Results: WC air superiority over Hawaii, WC + PCU fleets both heavily damaged (Midway), Midway nearly in WC hands.
Gains: WC- most of Midway Island Facilities
Losses:
China- 1 Arketer
PCU- 20 Fighters stationed at Hawaii
1 Tico, 2 Arleigh Burke, 2 Perry’s
Ohio that launched the ICBMs hunted down and destroyed.
WC- 25 Aircraft (fighters, all Pacific Fronts)
4 CG cutters
1 Capital Ship
Baja/Mexico proper
I believe that I already did this one, but my brain is scrambled right now from testing, so I really can’t remember.

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| March 28, 2011, 6:45 pm
PCU, all that you have done is instituted your downfall we will now authorize any WC/Ally aircraft to fly from Jamaica. And Spain if you say anything just remember you abolished the treaty so why should I continue to follow it if you don't.
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| March 28, 2011, 6:56 pm
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Sweetness! I smell victory, boys!

WC...

The WCHC announced the revenge of the civilian dead with the death of the condemned Ohio-class vessel this afternoon. No small wonder, considering the amount of aircraft and manpower committed. Though the WCHC would have much rather captured the vessel and execute the crew (likely by mustard gas in a chamber), it was too dangerous to have the vessel allowed to roam free.

Also, the airmen of Midway have a feather in their hats. Two actually; the destruction of a Chinese bomber, and the gaining of complete aerial superiority over an active PCU outpost. Not since WWII has the US achieved such a status in the Pacific.

Though Jamaica has been damaged, thankfully through foresight (and quick thinking by our allies) we didn't have all of our eggs in one basket. Production continues unimpeded (as far as numbers go) at that and other facilities.

Since it is our fault, we will finance and provide all of the materials necessary for the repair of the facility. Also, at the end of the war, when a Children of Fallen Warriors fund is established, the families of the British lives lost will be covered.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:00 pm
Quoting Will G.
If this hating extra orders effects my troops performance higher powers will be hearing about it.

XD, no, It does not effect your battles.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:07 pm
Quoting henry wang
PCU, all that you have done is instituted your downfall we will now authorize any WC/Ally aircraft to fly from Jamaica. And Spain if you say anything just remember you abolished the treaty so why should I continue to follow it if you don't.

To: Kind William
From: El Presidente
Welcome to the winning team, amigo.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:07 pm
Combat report
Michigan,

36 F-69's, 36 F-35's, and 24 F-22's, 60 Kestrel aerial attack platforms, and multiple low flying AC-130s are flying to reinforce the Michigan coast. The transports land without any resistance. Minutes later,  5 of Wills A-10s wreak havok on the landed troops. Heavy casualties are taken.  
After the Bombing, Will tries to land land a huge invasion force. It will be comprised of 110 AAFV-7A1's, 10 LCAC's and 35 EFV's. Carrying a total of 3,500 hardened troops. Minutes before landing,  the ACU escort planes come back and bomb/ strafe the landing craft. 80 AAFV-7A1s, 6 LCACs, and 27 EFVs land before the planes get to them. The rest are sunk. The remaining soldiers take the recovering troops totally off guard.  The living ACU troops on land meet with wills troops. Even with the Planes and light armor on michigans coast, Will establishes a beachhead.  The remaining ACU light armor That was dropped in before the whole Invasion makes a stand and knocks out 7 EEFVs. During the landing a half squad of of F-1 Blackfish  along with some M-36s  arrive to help in the air. 12 F-117 Night Hawk modified wild Weasel aircraft and two B-1Bs try to bomb the border but end up meeting The ACU planes in combat, during the
Dog fight, all of the F-35, and F-22s retreated and were replaced by 32 more EMP resistant F-69s. That's right, when The planes retreated, An EMP went off, Damaging all of wills aircraft and also destroying WC satellites. During this fight, Will lands tanks and troops on the south side of the peninsula but they realize the distress of the soldiers on the beach and go to reinforce them. They meet the ACU planes terrorizing the landing force and start shooting into the mess. Along with the shoulder-fire SAM launchers that are given to the marines, they take out a good portion of the F-69s. After the beach is secured, various planes and
Gunships come to reiforce but do not move In to take more land.

John Dawn's losses:
70 F-##s
800 soldiers/ border guards.
5 Kestrels
35 Armoured units

Will's losses
30AAFVs
4 LCACs
7 EFVs
two B-1Bs
12 F-117
3 Blackfish
6 M-36s
3,293 soldiers
40 Light tanks


East country side, 

Will uses artillery to beat the holy cihuahua out of the ACUs defenses, then planes move in followed by armored divisions. With the support of
The planes, Will makes some minor territory gains against the ACU with minor casualties.

ACU losses:
20 Tanks (whatever was on the border)
Most Border guards

Wills losses:
Light tank casualties due
To armor and weapons/ surprise.
Light infantry
Casualties.

Atlantic
At midnight tonight A squad of ten F-89s flew out of ultra's territory, six of them hit the PCU carrier in the gulf of California, Seeing as they were Damaged and remote controlled they smashed into the PCU carrier, Knocking out all of it's engines, and leaving it
Stranded with damage to it's guns.
The other four hit the ACU fleet Crippling it (I don't know what was in that fleet) 

Ultras losses:
All F-89s

PCU losses:
Carrier crippled and stranded

ACU losses:
Head ship crippled, not as bad as pCU carrier

FINALLY! It's done! I get it if you want to pretend I didn't write that, It was really confusing! I think I could do it if I tried again but I understand if
You don't want to keep this. 
 

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| March 28, 2011, 7:08 pm
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This might be double-posting (once my other comment gets un-modded) but I have closed a deal with France for 2 B-1s. They will be marked as WC, but they are France's now. If you shoot them down, it doesn't hurt me, but it will harm your international relations with France. Fair warning.

Quoting luke peterson

I almost had apoplexy when you said I lost ALL of my F-89s, until I remembered it was the guided bomb ones...

I think it went ok.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:08 pm
Oh yeah, Wills massive artillery barage caused Large civillian casualties, so... Yeah.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:13 pm
Quoting Thomas N
News for you, the Gulf of California is in the Pacific, and the HGS John Hood (the PCU carrier that was there) has already been sunken.

In the orders it said the planes were to crash into the "magic PCU carrier
in the gulf of California"
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| March 28, 2011, 7:20 pm
Quoting luke ... WC satellites lost to EMP ...

I'm sorry but I don't believe that an EMP aimed at Will's planes could take out multiple satellites out that are miles above the earth.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:21 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
News for you, the Gulf of California is in the Pacific, and the HGS John Hood (the PCU carrier that was there) has already been sunken.


I think I accidentally left in some of the plans from some other areas on the Eastern Front one, I was too ambitious in copying and pasting.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:22 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Quoting luke ... WC satellites lost to EMP ...

I'm sorry but I don't believe that an EMP aimed at Will's planes could take out multiple satellites out that are miles above the earth.

He specified that there would be multiple EMP blasts.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:23 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
What's your Flickr name?

Luke peterson, your a contact right?
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| March 28, 2011, 7:25 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
The PCU had a carrier in the gulf of California. It was called the John Hood. The John Hood was sunken by the Remote-Controlled Blackfish. There has been no PCU carrier in that gulf since then.

Just after the sinking of the John Hood, the PCU promptly announced that they had the HGS Pacifica deployed in the area. We sighted ship, sank same.

Quoting Matt Hacker

I think I accidentally left in some of the plans from some other areas on the Eastern Front one, I was too ambitious in copying and pasting.

I meant to ask what your definition of "Capital Ship" was, and if it means that I have now lost BOTH of the Brigand-class battleships I sent there?

I have some serious reworking to do on those things and futures in that class if they sink so easily.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:26 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The PCU had a carrier in the gulf of California. It was called the John Hood. The John Hood was sunken by the Remote-Controlled Blackfish. There has been no PCU carrier in that gulf since then.

Argue with either Ultra, who gave the order
or Matt Hacker who passed the orders on to me. Are you sure there wasn't at least a large ship.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:28 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Argue with either Ultra, who gave the order
or Matt Hacker who passed the orders on to me. Are you sure there wasn't at least a large ship.

Answered, read above.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Answered, read above.

Thankyou! How'd I do on the CR?
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| March 28, 2011, 7:31 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Thankyou! How'd I do on the CR?

Yup. Well, given the fact that I wasn't all that involved in it (forces-wise) I think I can give an objective opinion. I think it went well. It was kind of confusing format wise (some sentences were continued on the next line when there was room for them to continue on the same) but otherwise just fine!

Quoting luke peterson
An EMP went off, Damaging all of wills aircraft and also destroying WC satellites.

Wait. Hold the phone here. Couldn't happen with EMP unless it was a nuke which is strictly forbidden in this game. If it was a nuke, it would be very self-inflicting since it would neutralize any electronics in line-of-sight, including the entirety of the ACU. If it was ground-based, the energy required would be so massive it would boggle the imagination. Not only that, but the satellites are moving all over the earth, not all in one place.

I studied under a professor that dealt with the possibility of charging satellites from the earth. They found that by aiming a massive microwave emitter into the sky, it could be done. However, the losses in efficiency due to atmospheric interference was so massive that it made the project unfeasible.

Basically, I don't see it happening with the satellites.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:35 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Since it is our fault, we will finance and provide all of the materials necessary for the repair of the facility. Also, at the end of the war, when a Children of Fallen Warriors fund is established, the families of the British lives lost will be covered.

The PM and His Royal Majesty King William personally thank the WC for their kindness in this tragic event. All of the fallen will be brought home and will be given full military funerals.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:46 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Maybe you should give up[ on the idea of battleships, they have been proven to be ineffective in modern combat after all. This isn't WWII (As much as I know you wish it was ;)...)

I did learn my lessons from India. The Brigand-class battleships are these: http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=247017&id=/user_images/14536/1294962096m

Not these: http://mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=221924&id=/user_images/14536/1282689165m_DISPLAY.jpg

They are completely modern, and I'm not understanding how they both met untimely ends. Unless it was either a misunderstanding or it really did happen. In which case I'll have to do some serious thinking about what to do next with them.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:47 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


Sorry that I have not clarified this, but I did not mean battleship by "capital ship." I simply forgot what destroyers you used, and considering the power of them I just put that instead. But yeah, the concept is pretty outdated for Naval battles, although still works fine for shore bombardment.
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| March 28, 2011, 7:55 pm
I am slightly disappointed that the WC could gain superiority over Hawaii, considering that we have an entire frakking Fleet with several squadrons stationed there, but it's fine.

And the HGS Pacifica was unscathed, much to the chagrin of the local WC commanders.

A civilian reported WC soldiers, having been captured by the PCU during the war, being nailed to posts every 5 miles, their arms pointing to Portland, Oregon.

In PCU News, the Governor is still sitting pretty on his throne, and begs anyone who has a problem with his policies to waltz on in with the Allies and ATTEMPT to topple him.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:23 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Sorry that I have not clarified this, but I did not mean battleship by "capital ship." I simply forgot what destroyers you used, and considering the power of them I just put that instead. But yeah, the concept is pretty outdated for Naval battles, although still works fine for shore bombardment.

Ah, thank you. When I use the term 'battleship' I mean something more powerful than a destroyer. The Brigand is more powerful than an Arleigh-Burke, and that is why I use that terminology. It isn't a 16-inch gun-toter like the Missouri was.

Quoting Nick Shelton
And the HGS Pacifica was unscathed, much to the chagrin of the local WC commanders.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What's this? Is someone completely telling the CM to, putting it bluntly, *insert bad language*-off?

Quoting Nick Shelton
A civilian reported WC soldiers, having been captured by the PCU during the war, being nailed to posts every 5 miles, their arms pointing to Portland, Oregon.

If I recall correctly, the only one collecting prisoners here is yours truly. I have not heard of you capturing any prisoners lately. I do have about 10-15 of your pilots, however.

Quoting CherokeeKly .
I feel graitous for the B52 Bombers, Ultra, and believe that the Allies are nice people, as Ultra stated in the other Inter. Convo. Forum, "I have never attacked anyone who did not attack me first". Therefore, 150 Legionaires have been deployed to watch the American Conflict unfold, and if nessecary, be the pathfinders for the French Armed Forces.

As for you Ultra, I'm flying a transport plane with 15 Mirage 2000s and 1 F37 to pick up my two B52 for testing.

Oh, thank you. However, they are B-1s, not B-52s. I don't have any of the other.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:31 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
And the HGS Pacifica was unscathed, much to the chagrin of the local WC commanders.


wait, what? Where was your Ship?

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| March 28, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
A civilian reported WC soldiers, having been captured by the PCU during the war, being nailed to posts every 5 miles, their arms pointing to Portland, Oregon.

In PCU News, the Governor is still sitting pretty on his throne, and begs anyone who has a problem with his policies to waltz on in with the Allies and ATTEMPT to topple him.
The Alaskan populace is highly outraged by this inhumane and immoral activity. If it does not stop immediately, we can guarantee that the Alaskan Armed Forces will be marching up to the throne with the Allies shortly.

All on-duty Alaskan military units are being showed images of the gruesome execution of their ally's POWs. If we haven't been given a reply by tomorrow, immediate military action will be taken.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:35 pm
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China is disappoint a large scale assault by trained men was stopped by mere reserves. CAP is understandable. Call up the factories, tell them to go faster.

If this is to be the PCU's end, we'll ensure it's such an end that it will be worthy of remembrance.

Meanwhile:
-Production is still being upped.
-Recent intelligence reports suggest something interesting might happen soon.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:40 pm
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Quoting Tom N.
I see nothing about either of his carriers being in the GoC, actually, what I do see should have made those carriers even harder for you to hit in the first place, let alone find.

I just love satellites. Or 'magic.' Perhaps the names were confused though. We shall see what the CM says.

Quoting Nick Shelton

Doesn't feel quite so good when the magic is now favoring your enemy instead of you, does it? I must say, magic works wonders, no?

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
China is disappoint a large scale assault was stopped by mere reserves. CAP is understandable. Call up the factories, tell them to go faster.

Reserve army units, they're just a call away.

Nothing will get past those cleverly placed islands in the Pacific. Planes or ships.

Oh, stealth? Hmm. Don't they need refueled though? I don't think anyone has bothered to produce stealth tankers, have they?
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| March 28, 2011, 8:45 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Reserve army units, they're just a call away.

Nothing will get past those cleverly placed islands in the Pacific. Planes or ships.

Oh, stealth? Hmm. Don't they need refueled though? I don't think anyone has bothered to produce stealth tankers, have they?


You'll run out of them a lot faster than I will, that's for sure.

As for the Pacific, we'll be dealing with that soon enough. Tankers can stay far away from the combat zone too, though you've given me a wonderful idea.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:47 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You'll run out of them a lot faster than I will, that's for sure.

As for the Pacific, we'll be dealing with that soon enough. Tankers can stay far away from the combat zone too, though you've given me a wonderful idea.

Not since the F-89 now enjoys its rightful superiority over the Dove. Notice how the casualty figures have swung the other way?

Perhaps next time you will counsel your progeny not to go off and attack their neighbors and be dense enough not to expect retaliation.

Threats, love them. Been there, dealt with that. Now, you can't use Hawaii, and it's highly treacherous to fly through the 'slot' alone, even with stealth; and hope to go unseen.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:52 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
China is disappoint a large scale assault by trained men was stopped by mere reserves. CAP is understandable. Call up the factories, tell them to go faster.


Strategic reserves, pretty much Category A units that he had set aside for defense, which is what happened here.

And Nick, I should have said "temporarily" because he did have a very large air raid plus lots of fighter cover for his attack, hence the "air superiority." Pretty much swatted your patrols out of the sky, got overhead, dropped bombs while keeping your planes on the ground, and scrammed.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Not since the F-89 now enjoys its rightful superiority over the Dove. Notice how the casualty figures have swung the other way?


I'd be careful to say that, mostly your superiority is coming from a very surprisingly large number of fighters. I view both fairly equally, with numbers being the determining factor.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:54 pm
I have voiced my concerns about the current modding to the good Dr. Spontaneous, and I am pleased to proclaim that he is to take the proper course of action. He's around, all right.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:59 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
I'd be careful to say that, mostly your superiority is coming from a very surprisingly large number of fighters. I view both fairly equally, with numbers being the determining factor.

I'll take it anyway I can get it.
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| March 28, 2011, 8:59 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I have voiced my concerns about the current modding to the good Dr. Spontaneous, and I am pleased to proclaim that he is to take the proper course of action. He's around, all right.


He just contacted me, and the issue was already clarified by the time you posted. I see no reasonable claim for bias, rather, I was very clearly forced to rush my CR in order to satisfy the good folks fighting. Also, your FM wasn't forgotten either, it will come up soon.

Oh, and the "course of action" that he took was a big ol' "I don't care."
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| March 28, 2011, 9:01 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Not since the F-89 now enjoys its rightful superiority over the Dove. Notice how the casualty figures have swung the other way?

Perhaps next time you will counsel your progeny not to go off and attack their neighbors and be dense enough not to expect retaliation.

Threats, love them. Been there, dealt with that. Now, you can't use Hawaii, and it's highly treacherous to fly through the 'slot' alone, even with stealth; and hope to go unseen.


If you seriously think the F-89 is better... I can offer you no help there. You simply have more of them at the moment.

You're more of a threat to anything than Nick ever was. I don't intend to go through this slot any more, my men will live and die over in our own version of the East.

I have no doubt I'm on your list of targets to knock out with time, despite what you said earlier. I'll be ready.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:05 pm
Quoting Jack Ford

If you think you can, I ask you, no, I DARE you to do so.

Quoting Allies

I'd watch it, if I were you.

Quoting Axis

HOLD IT TOGETHER!
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| March 28, 2011, 9:08 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Combat report
Michigan,

36 F-69's, 36 F-35's, and 24 F-22's, 60 Kestrel aerial attack platforms, and multiple low flying AC-130s are flying to reinforce the Michigan coast. The transports land without any resistance. Minutes later,  5 of Wills A-10s wreak havok on the landed troops. Heavy casualties are taken.  
After the Bombing, Will tries to land land a huge invasion force. It will be comprised of 110 AAFV-7A1's, 10 LCAC's and 35 EFV's. Carrying a total of 3,500 hardened troops. Minutes before landing,  the ACU escort planes come back and bomb/ strafe the landing craft. 80 AAFV-7A1s, 6 LCACs, and 27 EFVs land before the planes get to them. The rest are sunk. The remaining soldiers take the recovering troops totally off guard.  The living ACU troops on land meet with wills troops. Even with the Planes and light armor on michigans coast, Will establishes a beachhead.  The remaining ACU light armor That was dropped in before the whole Invasion makes a stand and knocks out 7 EEFVs. During the landing a half squad of of F-1 Blackfish  along with some M-36s  arrive to help in the air. 12 F-117 Night Hawk modified wild Weasel aircraft and two B-1Bs try to bomb the border but end up meeting The ACU planes in combat, during the
Dog fight, all of the F-35, and F-22s retreated and were replaced by 32 more EMP resistant F-69s. That's right, when The planes retreated, An EMP went off, Damaging all of wills aircraft and also destroying WC satellites. During this fight, Will lands tanks and troops on the south side of the peninsula but they realize the distress of the soldiers on the beach and go to reinforce them. They meet the ACU planes terrorizing the landing force and start shooting into the mess. Along with the shoulder-fire SAM launchers that are given to the marines, they take out a good portion of the F-69s. After the beach is secured, various planes and
Gunships come to reiforce but do not move In to take more land.

John Dawn's losses:
70 F-##s
800 soldiers/ border guards.
5 Kestrels
35 Armoured units

Will's losses
30AAFVs
4 LCACs
7 EFVs
two B-1Bs
12 F-117
3 Blackfish
6 M-36s
3,293 soldiers
40 Light tanks


East country side, 

Will uses artillery to beat the holy cihuahua out of the ACUs defenses, then planes move in followed by armored divisions. With the support of
The planes, Will makes some minor territory gains against the ACU with minor casualties.

ACU losses:
20 Tanks (whatever was on the border)
Most Border guards

Wills losses:
Light tank casualties due
To armor and weapons/ surprise.
Light infantry
Casualties.

Atlantic
At midnight tonight A squad of ten F-89s flew out of ultra's territory, six of them hit the PCU carrier in the gulf of California, Seeing as they were Damaged and remote controlled they smashed into the PCU carrier, Knocking out all of it's engines, and leaving it
Stranded with damage to it's guns.
The other four hit the ACU fleet Crippling it (I don't know what was in that fleet) 

Ultras losses:
All F-89s

PCU losses:
Carrier crippled and stranded

ACU losses:
Head ship crippled, not as bad as pCU carrier

FINALLY! It's done! I get it if you want to pretend I didn't write that, It was really confusing! I think I could do it if I tried again but I understand if
You don't want to keep this. 
 

Okay, it's a good first try but...
How come my men were not covered by aircraft while they wore moving forward/as they landed?
What is the nonsense about landing more on the Southern peninsula?

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| March 28, 2011, 9:09 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I have no doubt I'm on your list of targets to knock out with time, despite what you said earlier. I'll be ready.

I plan to have a nice, long, friendly Cold War with you someday. That's about it.

Now, if we should ever end up on opposing sides of a larger conflict, all bets are off. Though with the state these alliances are made and then fall off, we could very well end up on the same side.

Oh, and if you attack an ally, then all bets are off. Otherwise, on an individual level, I have no intention of attacking you unless you attack me.

Quoting Nick Shelton
If you think you can, I ask you, no, I DARE you to do so.

I had to laugh. Sorry.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:09 pm
Quoting Will G.
Okay, it's a good first try but...
How come my men were not covered by aircraft while they wore moving forward/as they landed?
What is the nonsense about landing more on the Southern peninsula?

Oops! Did I say, southern peninsula? I meant south of the peninsula. And your men weren't covered because they were occupied with the huge escort of ACU planes above them. You should be happy, you have a huge mass of tanks and soldiers on a beachead. That's progress.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:15 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm not seeing how this is possible due to the fact that I contacted him on Facebook just before he went off to shower and do some other things. He couldn't have contacted you in a few milliseconds. What's going on.


It's called AIM, and I have been talking to him via said program most of the evening.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:19 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm not seeing how this is possible due to the fact that I contacted him on Facebook just before he went off to shower and do some other things. He couldn't have contacted you in a few milliseconds. What's going on.

I put off the shower to discuss what you told me via FB. Anyhow, the CR was discussed and such and I fail to review any major advances that should be marked with a fuss as large as the one being tossed about. Notes have been made, etc., but I fear Matt's partial behavior towards the Allies is merely built about which side can toss out better tactics; as it rightfully should be. Presently, I'm in little power to raise Cain.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:22 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm not seeing how this is possible due to the fact that I contacted him on Facebook just before he went off to shower and do some other things. He couldn't have contacted you in a few milliseconds. What's going on.

I put off the shower to discuss what you told me via FB. Anyhow, the CR was discussed and such and I fail to review any major advances that should be marked with a fuss as large as the one being tossed about. Notes have been made, etc., but I fear Matt's partial behavior towards the Allies is merely built about which side can toss out better tactics; as it rightfully should be. Presently, I'm in little power to raise Cain.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:23 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I plan to have a nice, long, friendly Cold War with you someday. That's about it.

Now, if we should ever end up on opposing sides of a larger conflict, all bets are off. Though with the state these alliances are made and then fall off, we could very well end up on the same side.

Oh, and if you attack an ally, then all bets are off. Otherwise, on an individual level, I have no intention of attacking you unless you attack me.


Cold wars are nice and all. And one day, we may end up on the same side. Maybe next group though, given how things look now. My concern now is defeating the people on PCU ground. I don't entertain the notions of a counter invasion. Too impractical.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:27 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I put off the shower to discuss what you told me via FB. Anyhow, the CR was discussed and such and I fail to review any major advances that should be marked with a fuss as large as the one being tossed about. Notes have been made, etc., but I fear Matt's partial behavior towards the Allies is merely built about which side can toss out better tactics; as it rightfully should be. Presently, I'm in little power to raise Cain.

I see. Thank you for the inspection, I trust your professional opinion thoroughly. I am now satisfied.
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| March 28, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Cold wars are nice and all. And one day, we may end up on the same side. Maybe next group though, given how things look now. My concern now is defeating the people on PCU ground. I don't entertain the notions of a counter invasion. Too impractical.

Well, if you want to call it quits, I won't interfere in your honorable withdrawal of your forces.

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| March 28, 2011, 9:57 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, if you want to call it quits, I won't interfere in your honorable withdrawal of your forces.


Quits? Ultra, mah boi, Awesome-o-saurus does not quit. You'll be learning this the tough way.
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| March 28, 2011, 10:00 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
China is disappoint a large scale assault by trained men was stopped by mere reserves. CAP is understandable.

You do realize that most US National Guardsmen have more training and are better equipped then the average PLA conscript...
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| March 28, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
You do realize that most US National Guardsmen have more training and are better equipped then the average PLA conscript...


I ain't sending over conscripts. I was sending over veterans from my own unification war. The others are off in Tibet and Guangzhou.

Speaking of conscription, I've amassed quite the stockpile of weapons and ammunition, in case the worst happens. These are hidden safely away. And the prospect of fortifications against a ground assault on the nation are being looked in on.
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| March 28, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Quits? Ultra, mah boi, Awesome-o-saurus does not quit. You'll be learning this the tough way.

Oh, darn. And here I had you over the ropes...
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| March 28, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
And the prospect of fortifications against a ground assault on the nation are being looked in on.

Do what I do, and make them part of the building codes. Something like 35% of Alenian structures have a first floor heavily reinforced with concrete, with the rest of the floors designed to be easily collapsed into the street to form a roadblock. Give a squad of army engineers half an hour, and they can then turn a productive office block into an impassable fortification.

A quick and easy fix for any blitzkreig.

Well, it's quick and easy when you're trying to stop the enemy, it's an expensive sign of paranoia otherwise. But really, in the current global climate, paranoia is the only responsible option.
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| March 28, 2011, 11:24 pm
Due to the PCU's war crimes committed and their blatant refusal to comply to standard humanitarian treatment implications, the Alaska officially views them as a hostile enemy and a threat to humanity. The Alaskan political board and civilian population are currently in a state of division, but most are in favor of entering the war, after the images of crucified WC POWs were publicly broadcasted, as well as a few interviews from their wives and children back home.

That was a bad move Nick. Your economy is screwed. Mine's just fine. I've got plenty of money to counter whatever BS you plan on throwing my way.
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| March 29, 2011, 1:14 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
after the images of crucified WC POWs were publicly broadcasted, as well as a few interviews from their wives and children back home.


Excuse me, you've got your facts wrong. It's not crucifixion, I would know, I suggested this idea to Nick in the first place.

Crucifixion is like this:
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What nick is doing is like this:
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Koaxiang China- brining our punishments to the Western World since 2037.
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| March 29, 2011, 1:42 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Excuse me, you've got your facts wrong. It's not crucifixion, I would know, I suggested this idea to Nick in the first place.

Crucifixion is like this:
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What nick is doing is like this:
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Koaxiang China- brining our punishments to the Western World since 2037.

I doubt their families really care the difference...
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| March 29, 2011, 2:13 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
I doubt their families really care the difference...


In any case, now you know. And knowing is half the battle! G.I. JOOOOEEE!

Quoting CherokeeKly .
France does and will not stand by unlawful torture and killing of Prisoners of War. Therefore, the French Government is deploying 6,000 French Marines to the continent. They are also prepping large amounts of Army and Air Force troops.

However, if Spain attacks France, I'm hoping by Legionaires know how to fight. I will also hope the Baltic Union would reinforce me. Mirage-2037: http://www.flickr.com/photos/crazedpineapple/5570569803/


What don't you understand about no war immediately upon joining? Is that really such a hard concept for you?

Well, if you can send troops, I'm sure our British friends won't be happy, they'll stop you like they stopped Spain. Actually, I don't think so. Carry on.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:43 am
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Hey Nick, looks like I have more allies than you do after all...

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
What don't you understand about no war immediately upon joining? Is that really such a hard concept for you?

Well, if you can send troops, I'm sure our British friends won't be happy, they'll stop you like they stopped Spain. Actually, I don't think so. Carry on.

Actually, I think he's referring to joining my side of things. Turns out a good sale goes a long way.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Excuse me, you've got your facts wrong. It's not crucifixion, I would know, I suggested this idea to Nick in the first place.

I still say those prisoners are nonexistent, since I have not once been forced to retreat like he has. That also puts me in an advantageous position to repair my vehicles..
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| March 29, 2011, 11:35 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
I still say those prisoners are nonexistent, since I have not once been forced to retreat like he has. That also puts me in an advantageous position to repair my vehicles..

It's likely that he has a dozen or so downed pilots and captured infantry. The numbers aren't big, but still, even Hitler didn't treat captured enemy soldiers that poorly...
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| March 29, 2011, 2:03 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Jack Ford
It's likely that he has a dozen or so downed pilots and captured infantry. The numbers aren't big, but still, even Hitler didn't treat captured enemy soldiers that poorly...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_war#Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_Soviet_POWs

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007183

http://www.gendercide.org/case_soviet.html

No, not that poorly, worse actually.

The only thing the Germans did that was worse was they killed more people. That's because the PCU doesn't have many POWs. In my opinion, being nailed to a fencepost and left to die is far more inhumane than being shot or gassed or dying of hypothermia. Nick gassed civilians. At least the Germans gassed enemy soldiers. I understand that up to three of my pilots were executed by the PCU, so mere killing of enemy soldiers is not intolerable by my standards. Nailing them to a post is.

Whether or not it's worse than the Nazis, I still have no tolerance for such an inhumane dictatorship, and will not cease hostility until democracy is re-established in the PCU.
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| March 29, 2011, 4:45 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Also, since you are so new, you probably haven't herd that EUROPE IS STAYING OUT OF THE WAR. (With the exception of Britain, because he was directly attacked). Matt Hacker and I have been adamant about this, so you can't just go and break the precedent.

I'm trying to stay out, but it will be hard. And not all of Europe (*cough* Spain) hasn't entered the conflict as he has spec ops running in the WC.
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| March 29, 2011, 5:29 pm
Quoting henry wang
Quoting Thomas N
Also, since you are so new, you probably haven't herd that EUROPE IS STAYING OUT OF THE WAR. (With the exception of Britain, because he was directly attacked). Matt Hacker and I have been adamant about this, so you can't just go and break the precedent.

I'm trying to stay out, but it will be hard. And not all of Europe (*cough* Spain) hasn't entered the conflict as he has spec ops running in the WC.

I keep forgetting this is the internet, and that it's impossible to detect sarcarsm

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| March 29, 2011, 6:00 pm
And Nick looked down upon the World, and he was fine with it.

Quoting Ultramarine

Number of nations on your side=/=Number of Victories.

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| March 29, 2011, 6:02 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I keep forgetting this is the internet, and that it's impossible to detect sarcarsm

Naw I'm being serious as you actually are running ops out of the WC.
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| March 29, 2011, 6:10 pm
Quoting henry wang
Naw I'm being serious as you actually are running ops out of the WC.

Well this is new, I didn't know I was doing that.

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| March 29, 2011, 6:12 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And Nick looked down upon the World, and he was fine with it.


Except for Dawn, you're at war with the entire New World. Jake H is supplying them, so yeah. Enemy, but not a war enemy. Close enough.

Today in China:
-Tibet officially secured, rebel forces disintegrated.
-Production moves on.
-Fortification of cities goes along.
-Indonesian development will soon reach acceptable levels. Partial installation of defense grid achieved.


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| March 29, 2011, 6:35 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I keep forgetting this is the internet, and that it's impossible to detect sarcarsm

You're not getting anywhere, we all know you're involved.

In Alaska minimal numbers of protesters are picketing for various opinions. That's to be expected when a country goes to war... No violence has occurred and no arrests were made, and hopefully it will stay that way.

Craziness is happening. *cough* I meant everything is normal. >.>

Residents of Southeast Alaska are encouraged to avoid large gatherings, as they can be more easily targeted. Local militias are preparing for a possible invasion. Rednecks with guns: don't screw around with them.
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| March 29, 2011, 6:49 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Well this is new, I didn't know I was doing that.

Sure
"On another note, is the treaty abolished and I can now send spec ops guys willy nilly all over America?" You, Last ICF

And if you want we can get the CM to confirm.
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| March 29, 2011, 7:02 pm
I have a statement to make.

While I am a complete opponent of the confederations and all who support them, I have come to realize it was completely wrong of me to support the PCU's decision to use chemical and biological weapons on enemy civilians. It hurts me to say it, but some of the retribution that has come upon the PCU was for a just cause.

However, the destruction of my ally the PCU is not a just cause, for it is fighting for the same cause as I- the restoring of sanity and liberty to the population of such regimes as the WC and EC, who oppress their G@y and Muslim populations and appear to integrate religious themes into their government, all of which is morally wrong. I will never stand for such things as long as I live. If you claim these things are untrue, then prove it to me, and I will not stand against you in the future.

Until then, I must stand by my ally until the end. A commitment to a true friend is a commitment I will never break. Friends may make mistakes, but a true friend of mine will always be worth standing with.
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| March 29, 2011, 7:04 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
You're not getting anywhere, we all know you're involved.

In Alaska minimal numbers of protesters are picketing for various opinions. That's to be expected when a country goes to war... No violence has occurred and no arrests were made, and hopefully it will stay that way.

Craziness is happening. *cough* I meant everything is normal. >.>

Residents of Southeast Alaska are encouraged to avoid large gatherings, as they can be more easily targeted. Local militias are preparing for a possible invasion. Rednecks with guns: don't screw around with them.

Invasion? From whom? Certainly not me. Not Nick. Not Awe, and not even Dawn.

OOH! A lovely idea this has given me. :P
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| March 29, 2011, 7:07 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


The Confederations might be anti-ghey and anti-Muslim and anti-environment, but the PCU is certainly not democratic in any manner, and doesn't pose to be. So the PCU isn't fighting for sanity and liberty, unless you're white.

As for biological and chemical weapons, I disapprove of all, but unlike the rest of us, the enemy is on Nick's doorstep. He'll do what he needs to do in defense. .

Oh, Alaska, you ain't got anything to worry about. Just send in all your Blackfish.


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| March 29, 2011, 7:24 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The Confederations might be anti-ghey and anti-Muslim and anti-environment, but the PCU is certainly not democratic in any manner, and doesn't pose to be. So the PCU isn't fighting for sanity and liberty, unless you're white.

As for biological and chemical weapons, I disapprove of all, but unlike the rest of us, the enemy is on Nick's doorstep. He'll do what he needs to do in defense. .

Oh, Alaska, you ain't got anything to worry about. Just send in all your Blackfish.


Why is it that you always restore my confidence?

It is because you are the freaking master, that's why.

Besides, proper Civil Rights are more of a priority for me than democracy is. Because people tend to be stup1d. :P
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| March 29, 2011, 7:30 pm
When are orders due?
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| March 29, 2011, 7:37 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
While I am a complete opponent of the confederations and all who support them, I have come to realize it was completely wrong of me to support the PCU's decision to use chemical and biological weapons on enemy civilians. It hurts me to say it, but some of the retribution that has come upon the PCU was for a just cause.

However, the destruction of my ally the PCU is not a just cause, for it is fighting for the same cause as I- the restoring of sanity and liberty to the population of such regimes as the WC and EC, who oppress their G@y and Muslim populations and appear to integrate religious themes into their government, all of which is morally wrong. I will never stand for such things as long as I live. If you claim these things are untrue, then prove it to me, and I will not stand against you in the future.

Until then, I must stand by my ally until the end. A commitment to a true friend is a commitment I will never break. Friends may make mistakes, but a true friend of mine will always be worth standing with.

I no longer view the PCU as "attempting to restore sanity and whatever." They are a military dictatorship with a dictator who is too powerful. The unopposed command to nail POWs to fence posts makes it obvious that his country's politics are messed up. While I do not agree with some of the Confederation's regulations, they're by far the lesser of two evils. Seriously, "I think it's wrong that they oppress gheys, so we'll poison their civilians in massive numbers and nail their soldiers to posts!" is an absurd method of restoring sanity and liberty.

My intent is not to annihilate the PCU, but rather to restore democracy and freedom to it. Their economy is screwed, their people are doubtless being oppressed, and, as a military dictatorship, the PCU poses a threat. Anyone who uses mustard gas on innocent civilians and nails enemy soldiers to posts is automatically classified as a threat in my opinion, especially if they share borders with me.

If the Confederation people don't like Confederation policies, they can immigrate to Alaska and work in my oil fields.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Invasion? From whom? Certainly not me. Not Nick. Not Awe, and not even Dawn.

If Nick ain't gonna invade me, that would greatly convenience my plans...

Whatever lovely idea that has given you, it had better not be "we iz gonna invade Alaska'z rocky shoarz!!!" You'll be disappointed.


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| March 29, 2011, 7:41 pm
Can someone approve my comment?

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| March 29, 2011, 7:43 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Can someone approve my comment?

I have a bad feeling about this...
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| March 29, 2011, 7:44 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The Confederations might be anti-ghey and anti-Muslim and anti-environment, but the PCU is certainly not democratic in any manner, and doesn't pose to be. So the PCU isn't fighting for sanity and liberty, unless you're white.

As for biological and chemical weapons, I disapprove of all, but unlike the rest of us, the enemy is on Nick's doorstep. He'll do what he needs to do in defense. .

Oh, Alaska, you ain't got anything to worry about. Just send in all your Blackfish.


Gassing civies isn't a typical or effective self defense mechanism...

I do believe I will send in some Blackfish, since you so kindly invited me...

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I have a bad feeling about this...


Is that possibly because you missed the fact that I declared war on the PCU?
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| March 29, 2011, 7:46 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Why is it that you always restore my confidence?

It is because you are the freaking master, that's why.

Besides, proper Civil Rights are more of a priority for me than democracy is. Because people tend to be stup1d. :P


Because I'm a knight of the mind, that's why.

>.>

Words are my sword.

Quoting Jack Ford
Gassing civies isn't a typical or effective self defense mechanism...

I do believe I will send in some Blackfish, since you so kindly invited me...


I'm not justifying it, but Nick's already had many civilian deaths. He's out for revenge.

So bring on your Blackfish. We ain't afraid of no planes.
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| March 29, 2011, 7:46 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Gassing civies isn't a typical or effective self defense mechanism...

I do believe I will send in some Blackfish, since you so kindly invited me...

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I have a bad feeling about this...


Is that possibly because you missed the fact that I declared war on the PCU?

No, I already heard that. You seem to have missed the fact that I have been freaking out due to said fact until Awe restored my confidence, as usual.
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| March 29, 2011, 7:52 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Nailing a POW to a fencepost crosses the line. I understand revenge, which is why I didn't attack when he used chemicals to kill WC civies, and why I didn't attack when he executed my downed pilots. Only a vengefull coward nails defenseless POWs to posts.

Actually, Nick is. He said so after they demonstrated their performance capabilities last time.

Who says they aren't being pinned by just heir clothing? Who says they aren't being fed well while hanging there?

Nick is only trying to send a message by doing this. Your Blackfish have made us angry more than anything else, quite honestly. He had all the reason to do what he did, and while I don't completely support him gassing civilians, I do support this. It is entirely appropriate revenge for what the Blackish have done.
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| March 29, 2011, 7:59 pm
Quoting Jack Ford he executed my downed pilots.

They're more machine than man now.
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| March 29, 2011, 8:00 pm
Wow, we're up to two Star Wars quotes now! Next person to use one appropriately gets a cookie.
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| March 29, 2011, 8:05 pm
Sorry, I need comment-moderating again.

>.>
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| March 29, 2011, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm not justifying it, but Nick's already had many civilian deaths. He's out for revenge.

None of which were killed by me. Just to make that clear.

Portland: That was Will's vengeance on Nick from Savannah.

Las Vegas: I have continued leaving specific orders that have left this urban area unscathed. I asked that the city not be attacked with the cruise missiles, because I didn't want to waste the time rebuilding it later, but that reversal somehow did not get passed along to the CM.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
It is entirely appropriate revenge for what the Blackish have done.

Except for the Blackfish that were bought and paid for or manufactured and owned by us. Both are piloted by the WCAF.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Number of nations on your side=/=Number of Victories.

Yeah, we'll see about that one.

Oh, by the way, your atrocities are a blessing in disguise. You just guaranteed that my men will fight like bears and hold to the last bullet or breath before surrendering. That's one easy way to make a bad situation, for you, worse.
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| March 29, 2011, 8:12 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Wow, we're up to two Star Wars quotes now! Next person to use one appropriately gets a cookie.

Why, you slimy, double-crossing, no-good swindler!

Hehe, that count? jk, jk. XD
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| March 29, 2011, 8:17 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
It is entirely appropriate revenge for what the Blackish have done.

Except for the Blackfish that were bought and paid for or manufactured and owned by us. Both are piloted by the WCAF.

Except that they're ALASKAN pilots. They (the planes and pilots) are about as Alaskan as they can get without being "officially" Alaskan.
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| March 29, 2011, 8:18 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Except that they're ALASKAN pilots. They (the planes and pilots) are about as Alaskan as they can get without being "officially" Alaskan.

No, they are piloted by WCAF pilots, not Alaskans. We bought/traded them, or we built them under license.

It would be like saying that Syrian MiGs are "Officially" Russian when they are purchased, operated, and maintained by Syria.
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| March 29, 2011, 8:27 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Except for the Blackfish that were bought and paid for or manufactured and owned by us. Both are piloted by the WCAF.

Except that they're ALASKAN pilots. They (the planes and pilots) are about as Alaskan as they can get without being "officially" Alaskan.


They were no longer being payed by the Alaskan military. As far as technical details go, they were no longer Alaskan military personell.

And not all Blackfish are of Alaskan origin. The WC produces their own. "My" Blackfish were actually mostly used in the Eastern front under the command of the EC. The WC used their own aircraft and their own pilots, and the EC only used 12 of mine, and they were employed and their aircraft were purchased by the EC Airforce.

does anyone know why when I respond to something, it makes my text larger?
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| March 29, 2011, 8:27 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Except that they're ALASKAN pilots. They (the planes and pilots) are about as Alaskan as they can get without being "officially" Alaskan.

They were no longer being payed by the Alaskan military. As far as technical details go, they were no longer Alaskan military personell.

And not all Blackfish are of Alaskan origin. The WC produces their own. "My" Blackfish were actually mostly used in the Eastern front under the command of the EC. The WC used their own aircraft and their own pilots, and the EC only used 12 of mine, and they were employed and their aircraft were purchased by the EC Airforce.

does anyone know why when I respond to something, it makes my text larger?

If they're not technically Alaskan military pilots, then why are you so upset? Those "mercenaries" knew what they were getting into, this is the price they pay.
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| March 29, 2011, 8:31 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
They were no longer being payed by the Alaskan military. As far as technical details go, they were no longer Alaskan military personell.

And not all Blackfish are of Alaskan origin. The WC produces their own. "My" Blackfish were actually mostly used in the Eastern front under the command of the EC. The WC used their own aircraft and their own pilots, and the EC only used 12 of mine, and they were employed and their aircraft were purchased by the EC Airforce.

does anyone know why when I respond to something, it makes my text larger?

If they're not technically Alaskan military pilots, then why are you so upset? Those "mercenaries" knew what they were getting into, this is the price they pay.

They're still Alaskan military personel, they're just... on leave.

I know. That's why I let that one slide. He did that weeks ago, and I didn't get upset about it.

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| March 29, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
If they're not technically Alaskan military pilots, then why are you so upset? Those "mercenaries" knew what they were getting into, this is the price they pay.

They're still Alaskan military personel, they're just... on leave.

I know. That's why I let that one slide. He did that weeks ago, and I didn't get upset about it.

You just proved that Alaskan military personnel are indeed piloting WC Blackfish. Thank you! We have now established this.

I therefore must honestly say those pilots get what they deserve.
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| March 29, 2011, 8:49 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You just proved that Alaskan military personnel are indeed piloting WC Blackfish. Thank you! We have now established this.

I therefore must honestly say those pilots get what they deserve.

That is completely false. I have never hired his pilots for my planes. Maybe for the delivery run, but they were sent home after that. All F-1 Blackfish operated by the WC have been flown by WC pilots, always. Not once did I hire Alaskans, though I did allow those planes free use of my airspace.

He said that the hired ones were operated by the EC, not WC.

Furthermore, I would have nothing to gain by lying at this point, it would be immaterial and unnecessary. It's not like I'm covering anything up, I have nothing to hide.
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| March 29, 2011, 9:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That is completely false. I have never hired his pilots for my planes. Maybe for the delivery run, but they were sent home after that. All F-1 Blackfish operated by the WC have been flown by WC pilots, always. Not once did I hire Alaskans, though I did allow those planes free use of my airspace.

He said that the hired ones were operated by the EC, not WC.

Furthermore, I would have nothing to gain by lying at this point, it would be immaterial and unnecessary. It's not like I'm covering anything up, I have nothing to hide.

It doesn't matter if it's for you or Gober, my point is that they are indeed Alaskan military pilots flying in support of allied forces.
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| March 29, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
It doesn't matter if it's for you or Gober, my point is that they are indeed Alaskan military pilots flying in support of allied forces.

Well, it was the EC, not me. Well, he's now out in the open. It's immaterial, like I said.
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| March 29, 2011, 9:13 pm
The Eastern Confederation has never acted unfairly against the g-@-y or Muslim populations. If other nations can prove that we have, we will correct our mistake. If you want to fight for g-@-y rights, look not further than your own front door. The EC does however, disapprove of the g-@-ybomb.

As for Alaskan military pilots under my command, well, it was to my knowledge that they were highly trained ex-military mercenaries, or something of the sort. They were under the command of my air force and mine only. The Alaskan military had no say in the way the Alaskan mercenaries preformed. It would have made no difference though, I would have hired them anyway if I had known they were military.
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| March 29, 2011, 9:23 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, it was the EC, not me. Well, he's now out in the open. It's immaterial, like I said.

What do you mean, immaterial?
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| March 29, 2011, 9:28 pm
Quoting Will G.
The Eastern Confederation has never acted unfairly against the g-@-y or Muslim populations. If other nations can prove that we have, we will correct our mistake. If you want to fight for g-@-y rights, look not further than your own front door. The EC does however, disapprove of the g-@-ybomb.

As for Alaskan military pilots under my command, well, it was to my knowledge that they were highly trained ex-military mercenaries, or something of the sort. They were under the command of my air force and mine only. The Alaskan military had no say in the way the Alaskan mercenaries preformed. It would have made no difference though, I would have hired them anyway if I had known they were military.

Is g@y marriage allowed in your nation?
Is the implementation of Shariah law at the local community level allowed in your nation? These are the deciding factors.

As for the Alaskan pilots, Jack said they were Alaskan military pilots "on leave." What's up with the miscommunication here?
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| March 29, 2011, 9:37 pm
In the CDC, Congress has passed a set of highly controversal laws that outlaw any form of religion that backs oppression of any kind. What that means, if somebody will openly identify themself with a belief that gives them the right to oppress other humans (based on gender, religion, orientation), they are subject to heavy legal action. We hope that these measures can prevent most forms of holy warfare.
/flame me
Also, any CDC citizens are free to form their own religions based on their own, nonviolent, beliefs.
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| March 29, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting -> avalella
In the CDC, Congress has passed a set of highly controversal laws that outlaw any form of religion that backs oppression of any kind. What that means, if somebody will openly identify themself with a belief that gives them the right to oppress other humans (based on gender, religion, orientation), they are subject to heavy legal action. We hope that these measures can prevent most forms of holy warfare.
/flame me
Also, any CDC citizens are free to form their own religions based on their own, nonviolent, beliefs.

How does this affect Islam in your nation?
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| March 29, 2011, 9:45 pm
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Given Cuba's new stance on religion, we urge all followers of the Dectrip Faith to leave immediately. China welcomes all gropagas who work in the name of Inglip.

@Everything else: Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

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| March 29, 2011, 9:46 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How does this affect Islam in your nation?

Well, basically any person who openly believes that it is okay to oppress other human beings (such concepts are clearly outlined in the Koran and other "spiritual" texts), is subject to face charges of intent to commit hate crimes. We would like to stress, however, that all citizens are encouraged to "update" their beliefs on some levels (forming their own sects of Islam), however, if they do feel the need to stand with their beliefs, they have the option to face charges. This really doesn't have any effect on the peacefull (majority) or Moslems.
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| March 29, 2011, 9:53 pm
The Commonwealth has passed major changes in education. This includes the ending of free college education, yet, it will spell less taxes, but college will remain affordable to all.

Affirmative action has also been ended, and now it will be illegal for colleges to discriminate based on race, gender, or potential.

All students will now be asked to take a college test, this will measure their abilities in the sciences and humanities. This will hopefully help students choose what fields to major in.

Students will now take a mandatory "college test" as well(similar to the SAT). Everyone will take the same test, and there will not be any sort of curving on the test. They will be allowed to retake the test, but colleges can still find any test history.

Finally the high school curriculum will now be split into two fields, humanities and sciences. Although there will still be mandatory history, math, and english classes. Now students will be allowed to specialize in certain fields at an even earlier age, giving them a "leg up" on students from around the world.

On the issue of religion, The Commonwealth will maintain its firm stance of freedom of religion and practice. Yet, any religious practice that breaks any laws will be persecuted. We believe that the people should have a choice in the religions that they want to be in, and that government has no right to choose what religions people should be part of. The actions of the CDC are questionable, but accepted as Cuba does not have a diverse religious population, so few people will be affected, but the basis of these new laws involves a lot of speculation. This sort of speculation could spread, for instance people who protest could get arrested because they might get violent.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:01 pm
The PCU has banned all religions in the world except for the Dectrip Faith. It goes a little something like this.

Inglip = God.
Caupo = Raptor Jesus
Col. Jackson = Angel
Mr. Rogers = Satan

We do not look down upon other faiths, but this is the official one for the PCU.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Well, basically any person who openly believes that it is okay to oppress other human beings (such concepts are clearly outlined in the Koran and other "spiritual" texts), is subject to face charges of intent to commit hate crimes. We would like to stress, however, that all citizens are encouraged to "update" their beliefs on some levels (forming their own sects of Islam), however, if they do feel the need to stand with their beliefs, they have the option to face charges. This really doesn't have any effect on the peacefull (majority) or Moslems.

Very good. Such kinds of reforms have been slowly taking place here in Egypt for quite some time now. It sometime gives the Pharaoh a bit of a headache, lol.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:11 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU has banned all religions in the world except for the Dectrip Faith. It goes a little something like this.

Inglip = God.
Caupo = Raptor Jesus
Col. Jackson = Angel
Mr. Rogers = Satan

We do not look down upon other faiths, but this is the official one for the PCU.

You know, one day you'll regret using this form of humor when it backfires on you... >.>
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| March 29, 2011, 10:12 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Commonwealth has passed major changes in education. This includes the ending of free college education, yet, it will spell less taxes, but college will remain affordable to all.

Affirmative action has also been ended, and now it will be illegal for colleges to discriminate based on race, gender, or potential.

All students will now be asked to take a college test, this will measure their abilities in the sciences and humanities. This will hopefully help students choose what fields to major in.

Students will now take a manditory "college test" as well(similar to the SAT). Everyone will take the same test, and there will not be any sort of curving on the test. They will be allowed to retake the test, but colleges can still find any test history.

Finally the high school curriculum will now be split into two fields, humanities and sciences. Although there will still be manditory history, math, and english classes. Now students will be allowed to specialize in certain fields at an even earlier age, giving them a "leg up" on students from around the world.

On the issue of religion, The Commonwealth will maintain its firm stance of freedom of religion and practice. Yet, any religious practice that breaks any laws will be persecuted. We believe that the people should have a choice in the religions that they want to be in, and that government has no right to choose what religions people should be part of. The actions of the CDC are questionable, but accepted as Cuba does not have a diverse religious population, so few people will be affected, but the basis of these new laws involves a lot of speculation. This sort of speculation could spread, for instance people who protest should get arrested because they might get violent.

I see the former American GOP may have taken over British Parliament... >.>
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| March 29, 2011, 10:14 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You know, one day you'll regret using this form of humor when it backfires on you... >.>


But then we have successfully trolled them, and we will have won in the end. Hail Inglip.

So, I guess we're having a grand old time using the diplomat part of this group right now.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:19 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But then we have successfully trolled them, and we will have won in the end. Hail Inglip.

So, I guess we're having a grand old time using the diplomat part of this group right now.

Indeed.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:20 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I see the former American GOP may have taken over British Parliament... >.>


I laugh at how true that is.

Henry, my boy, stop using Glenn Beck as your role model!

And I would like orders by midnight tonight. Thank goodness I did the CR yesterday because I have just now finished my homework.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:24 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You just proved that Alaskan military personnel are indeed piloting WC Blackfish. Thank you! We have now established this.

I therefore must honestly say those pilots get what they deserve.


They were not at the time military personnel. The way the ropes work is like this: they resign from their position as aircraft instructor. They go on "extended leave" in which the Alaskan military has no authority on what they do. They then apply for a position with the EC. The only thing "Alaskan" about it is that the pilots were trained and employed by the Alaskan Airforce prior to their service with the EC. I didn't send the men, they volunteered. Getting 12 volunteers to fly Blackfish into combat is no difficult chore. There is absolutely nothing immoral, underhanded, or treaty-breaking with this transaction.

I captured PCU infantry and downed pilots when they foolishly and with no provocation invaded Ketchikan. I returned them humanely and in one piece. Nick outta have the decency to return the favor. Killing unarmed people is inhumane and cowardly by my standards, and even now I will treat POWs with all due respect.

I'm not joining the war because of what Nick did to my men. I know they got what they deserved. I'm joining the war because the PCU government is out of hand and using intolerable methods of homicide.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:27 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
They're still Alaskan military personel, they're just... on leave.

I know. That's why I let that one slide. He did that weeks ago, and I didn't get upset about it.
You just proved that Alaskan military personnel are indeed piloting WC Blackfish. Thank you! We have now established this.

I therefore must honestly say those pilots get what they deserve.
>
They were not at the time military personnel. The way the ropes work is like this: they resign from their position as aircraft instructor. They go on "extended leave" in which the Alaskan military has no authority on what they do. They then apply for a position with the EC. The only thing "Alaskan" about it is that the pilots were trained and employed by the Alaskan Airforce prior to their service with the EC. I didn't send the men, they volunteered. Getting 12 volunteers to fly Blackfish into combat is no difficult chore. There is absolutely nothing immoral, underhanded, or treaty-breaking with this transaction.

I captured PCU infantry and downed pilots when they foolishly and with no provocation invaded Ketchikan. I returned them humanely and in one piece. Nick outta have the decency to return the favor. Killing unarmed people is inhumane and cowardly by my standards, and even now I will treat POWs with all due respect.

I'm not joining the war because of what Nick did to my men. I know they got what they deserved. I'm joining the war because the PCU government is out of hand and using intolerable methods of homicide.

That's a much better and very respectable reason to be entering the war. Thank you.

>.>

Although it feels very odd saying that seeing how we're at war. Nick made some mistakes, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a b@d guy, so I'm sticking with him until the end with Awe and Dawn.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I laugh at how true that is.

Henry, my boy, stop using Glenn Beck as your role model!

And I would like orders by midnight tonight. Thank goodness I did the CR yesterday because I have just now finished my homework.

I'm starting to trust you more every day, and now that you've said this, I'm tempted to say I freaking love you.

You have no idea how much I h@te Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly. :P

Anyway, what parts of the CR?
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| March 29, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm starting to trust you more every day, and now that you've said this, I'm tempted to say I freaking love you.

You have no idea how much I h@te Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly. :P

Anyway, what parts of the CR?


Fronts. I'll start working on the CR tomorrow.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:42 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
That's a much better and very respectable reason to be entering the war. Thank you.

>.>

Although it feels very odd saying that seeing how we're at war. Nick made some mistakes, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a b@d guy, so I'm sticking with him until the end with Awe and Dawn.

Yes, he killed the pilots weeks ago, that was an old thing. Nailing POWs (not mine) to posts was the final straw.

My goal is to overthrow the military dictatorship. I don't care if Nick becomes president of a democracy, as long as his power is more limited. It's not necessary to get rid of Nick, but seriously. American people would never stand for Nick's actions. Chinese might. But not Americans. I can logically say that I'm answering pleas for help from PCU civvies. I'm 100% sure that right now PCU civilians are being heavily taxed, and would probably rather put up with WC policies than PCU policies.

I can also now fairly safely say that over 50% of Alaskan civilians, especially with the help of the media, support going to war.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford

My goal is to overthrow the military dictatorship. I don't care if Nick becomes president of a democracy, as long as his power is more limited. It's not necessary to get rid of Nick, but seriously. American people would never stand for Nick's actions. Chinese might. But not Americans.


The PCU ain't American. It was forged from America, but that's about it. Go go brainwashing. Of course, y'all say that can't happen. Luckily I've got a good excuse to keep my absolute power (/points to PRC).

I doubt Nick will surrender his power. He'll fight until the end, so will my dudes. Good luck.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:58 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
If anyone has 100 miles (in radius) of desert, I'd like to buy it for 4 Million.

Nukes are banned.

Quoting Ford

Quoting Cliffe

I see we're all avoiding the elephant behind the curtains, here.

Okay, here it is:
Ford: you claim to not support the killing of civilians, but you support the WC, a state with no qualms about lobbing ICBMs around with little or no provocation.
Cliffe: you claim to support tey gheys, but you also support the Villain Bloc. The Villain Bloc happens to consider tey gheys to be an excellent source of heating fuel.

It's not possible to take either of you seriously if you're not going to deal with such hypocrisy.

Quoting Jack Ford
I can also now fairly safely say that over 50% of Alaskan civilians, especially with the help of the media, support going to war.

100% of Alenian citizens support going overseas and killing a few hundred thousand foreigners, and they don't much care which ones.
Fortunately, years of oppression have taught them to be happy with less.
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| March 29, 2011, 10:58 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm starting to trust you more every day, and now that you've said this, I'm tempted to say I freaking love you.

You have no idea how much I h@te Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly. :P

Anyway, what parts of the CR?

If it makes you feel better, I think it's not good for anyone to listen to any form of political talk radio too much, especially the people on the fringes. I think Glenn Beck is just too far out there, sometimes his "predictions" come true. However I don't like the Republicans slamming Obama for Libya. If Republicans did this every Republican would support it.
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| March 29, 2011, 11:06 pm
Quoting Will G.
However I don't like the Republicans slamming Obama for Libya. If Republicans did this every Republican would support it.

On a similar note, when the FRENCH are doing more fighting than you are, it's probably time to ask questions about commitment to the whole "peace in the middle east" thing.
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| March 29, 2011, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
100% of Alenian citizens support going overseas and killing a few hundred thousand foreigners, and they don't much care which ones.

That's why I firmly espouse the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction, as I have aptly demonstrated.

Quoting Jack Ford
I can logically say that I'm answering pleas for help from PCU civvies. I'm 100% sure that right now PCU civilians are being heavily taxed, and would probably rather put up with WC policies than PCU policies.

Especially when he outright confiscates millions of dollars from casinos. That would destroy the local economy (unfortunate as it is, since I don't approve of the game of chance) and isolate the American Indians.

And as a state institution, he sells his young women into immorality. I don't imagine ALL of them are willing.

Quoting Jack Ford
I can also now fairly safely say that over 50% of Alaskan civilians, especially with the help of the media, support going to war.

We Americans have weaknesses for liberating other countries.

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| March 29, 2011, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
On a similar note, when the FRENCH are doing more fighting than you are, it's probably time to ask questions about commitment to the whole "peace in the middle east" thing.


Simply put it really isn't the US's problem, the UK and France were the main proponents of the no-fly zone and dragged the US in. It makes perfect sense to me why they would be doing the heavy lifting since they were the ones wanting it so badly.

Thank goodness that the US seems to have gotten over its Middle-East "war fever."
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| March 29, 2011, 11:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's why I firmly espouse the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction, as I have aptly demonstrated.

The only assured thing about that policy is that no-one's going to trust you. Let's see.. Brendan was going to nuke you, oh, wait, he wasn't, you just decided to blow up a chunk of his capital because you didn't like what he was doing.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Especially when he outright confiscates millions of dollars from casinos. That would destroy the local economy (unfortunate as it is, since I don't approve of the game of chance) and isolate the American Indians.

And as a state institution, he sells his young women into immorality. I don't imagine ALL of them are willing.

PCU = villain state. I can't see what's so hard to understand about that.

Quoting Matt Hacker
Thank goodness that the US seems to have gotten over its Middle-East "war fever."

As I recall, Libya has nukes.

As I also recall, Libya is something of a "terrorist state", even allowing for how meaningless a term "terrorist" is these days. It's a bit odd, one would have expected a few Mossad strike teams to visit them, at the least.
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| March 29, 2011, 11:36 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
And as a state institution, he sells his young women into immorality. I don't imagine ALL of them are willing.


How is it any different from the draft? Everyone can serve the nation in some way. /lawful evil

Back in the Koaxiang Empire, preparations are being made for something. Something big.
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| March 29, 2011, 11:37 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Ford

Quoting Cliffe

I see we're all avoiding the elephant behind the curtains, here.

Okay, here it is:
Ford: you claim to not support the killing of civilians, but you support the WC, a state with no qualms about lobbing ICBMs around with little or no provocation.
Cliffe: you claim to support tey gheys, but you also support the Villain Bloc. The Villain Bloc happens to consider tey gheys to be an excellent source of heating fuel.

It's not possible to take either of you seriously if you're not going to deal with such hypocrisy.

Quoting Jack Ford
I can also now fairly safely say that over 50% of Alaskan civilians, especially with the help of the media, support going to war.

100% of Alenian citizens support going overseas and killing a few hundred thousand foreigners, and they don't much care which ones.
Fortunately, years of oppression have taught them to be happy with less.

No, I do not support the killing of civilians, but I accept that it is part of war. I do not accept targeting them with poisonous gas. Gassing civilians has no military significance, and is banned by the Geneva code. While I do not use ICBMs due to their high civilian casualty rates, they are a standard military weapon and their purpose is to damage enemy military. Using an ICBM poses the smallest risk to your own forces, so it's a justifiable method of war, although I prefer to avoid it. The sole purpose of the mustard gas was to inflict high civilian casualties.

I refuse to even continue that. The PCU shares a border with me and are posing a threat, end of story. "Don't meddle with oversea affairz!!!1!" This isn't your business and I think you're best off leaving it alone.

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| March 29, 2011, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Back in the Koaxiang Empire, preparations are being made for something. Something big.


I hope it doesn't involve even more complicated orders to the CM >.>
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| March 29, 2011, 11:39 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's why I firmly espouse the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction, as I have aptly demonstrated.

The only assured thing about that policy is that no-one's going to trust you. Let's see.. Brendan was going to nuke you, oh, wait, he wasn't, you just decided to blow up a chunk of his capital because you didn't like what he was doing.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Especially when he outright confiscates millions of dollars from casinos. That would destroy the local economy (unfortunate as it is, since I don't approve of the game of chance) and isolate the American Indians.

And as a state institution, he sells his young women into immorality. I don't imagine ALL of them are willing.

PCU = villain state. I can't see what's so hard to understand about that.

And that's why they are under attack from all sides. Nobody likes villian states for neigbors.
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| March 29, 2011, 11:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
We Americans have weaknesses for liberating other countries.

That we do... at least this time it's not halfway across the world. >.>
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| March 29, 2011, 11:40 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
On a similar note, when the FRENCH are doing more fighting than you are, it's probably time to ask questions about commitment to the whole "peace in the middle east" thing.

It's not that we ARE getting involved, I think it's another feather in our cap if we dispose him. However, I disagree 100% with the way it's being handled. Clinton says one thing, Gibbs says another, and no one knows which is the real story.

It's just not being handled properly. It's as though no one is talking to anyone.

Plus, I firmly disagree with our brave boys getting put under NATO command. We should handle ours, they should handle theirs. That's the way it should be.

Quoting Areetsa C
The only assured thing about that policy is that no-one's going to trust you. Let's see.. Brendan was going to nuke you, oh, wait, he wasn't, you just decided to blow up a chunk of his capital because you didn't like what he was doing.

Yup. Looks like he didn't care, did he?
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| March 29, 2011, 11:43 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
And that's why they are under attack from all sides. Nobody likes villian states for neigbors.

No-one likes trigger happy states with ICBMs for neighbors, either.

Also: called it on Alaska's pretense of neutrality falling apart.
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| March 29, 2011, 11:43 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
No-one likes trigger happy states with ICBMs for neighbors, either.

Also: called it on Alaska's pretense of neutrality falling apart.

The WC had justification in launching ICBMs. Weak justification, but it still had a military cause. The PCU has no way of justifying gassing civvilians.

My neutrality has been in steady decline as the PCU's villian-hood has become more apparent. No problem of mine now is that.

I'm the one with a "trigger happy state with ICBMs" for a neighbor. That's not your problem or business to tell me who is a threat to me when you're on the other side of the world. I can determine that for myself.
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| March 30, 2011, 12:00 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
The WC had justification in launching ICBMs. Weak justification, but it still had a military cause. The PCU has no way of justifying gassing civvilians.

At least I have the mercy to kill them instantly instead of slowly and tortuously.
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| March 30, 2011, 12:05 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
At least I have the mercy to kill them instantly instead of slowly and tortuously.

And you did have a strategic goal. And it wasn't randomly kill women and children and elderly civilians. While it did do that, that wasn't the target.
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| March 30, 2011, 12:14 am
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Quoting Jack Ford
And you did have a strategic goal. And it wasn't randomly kill women and children and elderly civilians. While it did do that, that wasn't the target.

Only because that someone was doing it to someone else in equal numbers. Though we've been through this ad nauseum.
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| March 30, 2011, 12:19 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I hope it doesn't involve even more complicated orders to the CM >.>


Oh no. As a fellow CM, I keep it simple as possible. Simple and clear. This will be like two more lines at most.
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| March 30, 2011, 12:19 am
Alaska has officially sold it's F-15C fighters to small un-controlled countries across the globe, including most countries in Africa, Romania, and some of South America.

The fighters will be replaced by more modern aircraft of Alaskan design.

Production of all aircraft except F-1s, UAH-1s and AH-4s has been temporarily halted to allow for increased production of weapons and munitions.

Civilians of likely targeted areas have been issued gas masks and muster stations in case of an attack.
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| March 30, 2011, 5:45 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
On a similar note, when the FRENCH are doing more fighting than you are, it's probably time to ask questions about commitment to the whole "peace in the middle east" thing.

So your saying that the US would be more committed to PEACE by invading Libya? Not to get to politcal, but I think the US is doing more then enough for the Rebs and their cause (which I support). Who was there to bail the North out when we fought our own civil war? THE FRENCH!
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| March 30, 2011, 6:20 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
The WC had justification in launching ICBMs. Weak justification, but it still had a military cause. The PCU has no way of justifying gassing civvilians.

My neutrality has been in steady decline as the PCU's villian-hood has become more apparent. No problem of mine now is that.

I'm the one with a "trigger happy state with ICBMs" for a neighbor. That's not your problem or business to tell me who is a threat to me when you're on the other side of the world. I can determine that for myself.

Like I said, I don't support the gassing of civilians, but look. He was a bit desperate. And we're all angry over here in the Axis club. We shouldn't have done it, but hey, we all make mistakes under pressure.
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| March 30, 2011, 6:58 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

A full convoy of Red Cross personnel and vehicles rode into Las Vegas this afternoon to aid the citizenry. Food packages, medical aid, and humanitarian services. Due to tight budgets and the WCHC's desire not to coddle the former Pacific Unioners, the food supplies mainly consist of MREs. They must learn not to be dependent upon the government, though we won't let them starve.

We've learned much from this war, and we're taking steps to rectify the situation. As soon as the war is over, our own version of Top Gun will be initiated for our 4th & 5th generation pilots.

The Iron Brigade is doing well with their M90 MkIs, as they are the most trained tankers in the WC. Afterward, they will all be replaced wit the MkII turret.

Also, as the MkII becomes more prevalent, the M45 will be phased out of service and replaced with the M89. The M45s will likely be sold en masse to Guatemala and Belize at huge discounts.

Medical treatment continues for the victims of the mustard gas attacks. The WC citizenry is relieved that the attacks cannot be repeated. Due to the nature of the attacks, it is expected that no more fatalities will be recorded for the citizens; with very few exceptions possibly being pneumonia and other respiratory illnesses.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:02 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Like I said, I don't support the gassing of civilians, but look. He was a bit desperate. And we're all angry over here in the Axis club. We shouldn't have done it, but hey, we all make mistakes under pressure.

Yet if I had done it, I wouldn't be hearing the end of it. Heck, I'm still not hearing the end of my last such attacks. Like I said, at least I kill them instantly.

Oh, so I'm feeling the pressure of your forces in Mexico, so I can kill your civilians for the fun of it and it will be overlooked right?

Of course it is entirely excusable because it was done by Nick and not me.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:05 pm
yo

If anyone would be interested in buying them, I may build a heavy lift helicopter for quickly transporting light and medium tanks across a distance of up to 9,000 Km. If not I'll make it for the C.O.P :P
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| March 30, 2011, 7:17 pm
Quoting -> avalella
So your saying that the US would be more committed to PEACE by invading Libya? Not to get to politcal, but I think the US is doing more then enough for the Rebs and their cause (which I support). Who was there to bail the North out when we fought our own civil war? THE FRENCH!

What? Do you mean when France came to the aid of the colonies following the Battle of Saratoga? Because the Union was never bailed out in or after the war. It's industrial capacity grew, in fact.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:22 pm
/Young Hickory bout to lay down da law.

I was asked to attack Midway, that way Ultra and his buddies could not attack Danny as fiercely. I did so, trying to be sneaky. It didn't work. I went for a conventional air attack on Alaska to eliminate Blackfish just for the moment.

Ultra and his Buddies were like LET'S DO THIS, and spam-invaded my land. I expected to be able to hold it, but due to unforseen consequences, they drove deep. I destroyed a city in an attempt to show the EC that I wouldn't tolerate there entrance into the conflict. They went ahead and destroyed my capital, which will come into play later. I promised the entire Axis power that one day, Portland would be avenged.

So I signed the cease-fire, and set about restructuring my military, and set up border defenses. Unfortunately, my thoughts were acted upon, and Ultra did attack my border. Sadly, I didn't have time to prepare anything.

As the Confederates pressed closer, I did not see a better time to enact my revenge than now, since we were all at war at the time. /insert gas attack.

Complete success. And with most of my civvies out of country, there wasn't any harm that could happen to them without getting a bunch of red-tape BS going on with other nations.

....

I do not sell ALL of the women, Ultra. Only the ones that aren't paying their taxes. If you can't pay, we will make it to where you can. And taxes aren't high in the PCU either.


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| March 30, 2011, 7:28 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
yo

If anyone would be interested in buying them, I may build a heavy lift helicopter for quickly transporting light and medium tanks across a distance of up to 9,000 Km. If not I'll make it for the C.O.P :P

I'll buy some, I need a heavy helicopter!
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| March 30, 2011, 8:23 pm
@ Hacker,

Will I be Cming at all this time? cus I already got some combat orders.
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| March 30, 2011, 8:31 pm
Quoting luke peterson
I'll buy some, I need a heavy helicopter!

Great!

That's one buyer... anyone else?
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| March 30, 2011, 8:33 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Great!

That's one buyer... anyone else?


Me. This should be in the the trading board, by the way.
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| March 30, 2011, 10:05 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Me. This should be in the the trading board, by the way.

ok.

I'll say no more anyway, until I've finished and posted the actual creation.
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| March 30, 2011, 10:22 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
That range is never gonna happen bro, especially on a heavy lift chopper. A C-130 fully loaded can only do about 2200 km.

ok, maybe I should cut it down a bit. Still, it will be quite large and has large fuel tanks.
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| March 30, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
The amount of internal fuel capacity it would take to get a helicopter even close to a 3000km range would make the craft so bloated it would be unable to carry anything.

hmmm...
what range does a chinook have?
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| March 30, 2011, 10:54 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
hmmm...
what range does a chinook have?


450 mi, 741 km
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| March 30, 2011, 11:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Complete success. And with most of my civvies out of country, there wasn't any harm that could happen to them without getting a bunch of red-tape BS going on with other nations.

Which, by the way, isn't happening. Since Arty took over I have been freely interfering in international airlines. Literally anything coming from your territory into the Pacific(including WC continental airspace) or China has been turned back to its home airbases. Since it's the middle of the Pacific, they don't have fuel to go around.

I do have proof that I can and have interfered to such measures, both Arty and Matt can confirm it. Originally, it was to stop Chinese reinforcements and research teams that you were sending over there. However, it undoubtedly included your civilian flights in the mix. I'm rather surprised your intelligence services didn't pick up on it.

Bottom line, your civvies are safe and sound back in your territory.
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| March 30, 2011, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Airliners have more than enough range to make transpacific flights without needing to refuel.

Not if they are escorted out of the effective area. As per my orders. Oh, they want to turn around and try again? I'll intercept them again and do the same thing. Oh, they want to try to circumvent me? Well, that would surpass their effective range to double back and then travel more than 10,000 miles around. Not possible. His civilians stay put.

I cannot publicly divulge the specifics, but with my coverage, ain't no way.

I know you are my foremost opponent about my claims of 'owning' the Pacific, but after the war is over, I will show you all just how true that is.
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| March 31, 2011, 12:37 am
Quoting Thomas N
So my Lufthansa Cargo airliners that have been bringing aid to ALL conflict participants haven't made it through to him?

They were likely diverted through Alaskan airspace and escorted through. I'm not completely boycotting everything at the moment unless it's potentially hostile.
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| March 31, 2011, 1:44 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
So my Lufthansa Cargo airliners that have been bringing aid to ALL conflict participants haven't made it through to him?

If they were sent over the Pacific, then I probably didn't check before I turned it back. If you sent it over the continent, then I sincerely appreciate the extra care packages & medical equipment.

Sorry, but I'll see what I can do about getting your men across the border. I meant this to stop Spain from smuggling in soldiers under the guise of 'aid workers.'
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| March 31, 2011, 2:35 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Very well then.

They are being treated well, and probably already at their destinations.
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| March 31, 2011, 4:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

Nobody ever said they were flying PCU-China routes. /pinky finger to corner of mouth.
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| March 31, 2011, 5:34 pm
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In China:
-Development of Indonesia goes onwards.
-Tibet officially incorporated. We now work to bring it up to speed with the rest of the Empire.
-Sneaky things happen in the West.
-Production moving along nicely for our new weapons of moderate and conventional destruction.
-It has been decided that due to costs, a new Arketer will not be built at this time.

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| March 31, 2011, 6:49 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Nobody ever said they were flying PCU-China routes. /pinky finger to corner of mouth.

The continent, Mexico, Gulf, Canada, pretty much everywhere. I was letting nothing in, and nothing was getting out. Especially since Spain was trying to get soldiers in, and they probably would have gone the shortest route.

Besides, what makes you think your citizens would just up and leave their homes and lives with practically nothing on their governments say-so? I doubt very many would. Despite your claims of massive indoctrination, very few would flee to a completely different nation just because you don't want the next ruling body to have them. Their homes, lives, families, and bloodlines are all in their lands.

Fleeing to Mexico, I could see. Canada? Yes. However, moving to another continent is a stretch to say the least. Besides, after the war, they would all move back. They always do. Check your history books.
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| March 31, 2011, 8:03 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The continent, Mexico, Gulf, Canada, pretty much everywhere. I was letting nothing in, and nothing was getting out. Especially since Spain was trying to get soldiers in, and they probably would have gone the shortest route.

...

Fleeing to Mexico, I could see. Canada? Yes. However, moving to another continent is a stretch to say the least. Besides, after the war, they would all move back. They always do. Check your history books.


There are other ways.

And they don't always move back. Not always. You check your history books.
/remembers Turkic takeover of Anatolia, Germans leaving East Prussia, Palestinians out of Israel proper (for now), White Portuguese leaving Mozambique and Angola...

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| March 31, 2011, 8:08 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

There are other ways.

Name them. Roads? Closed, and cars don't fly.
Ships? Had that covered too, at least it should have been. So I have no idea how you got all your tanks over here, come to think of it.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
And they don't always move back. Not always. You check your history books.
/remembers Turkic takeover of Anatolia, Germans leaving East Prussia, Palestinians out of Israel proper (for now), White Portuguese leaving Mozambique and Angola...

-Germans leaving East Prussia because of Communist oppression.
-Palestinians don't belong in Israel.
-Portuguese left Mozambique and Angola because they feared ethnic cleansing.

None of those cases apply here.
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| March 31, 2011, 8:12 pm
In Egypt, national education has been going under reform in an attempt to one day meet high standards, like that of Japan or Finland. Right now, of course, we are nothing in comparison, but in ten to twenty years we expect to get close.

Clashes, both in politics and in the streets, between liberal and conservative Muslims (as well as the very liberal Atenists), are beginning to turn from annoying to threatening. The Pharaoh has made the decision to enforce restraining orders on congregating large groups of demonstrators.

The King, who is very liberal, holding ultimate executive power in Egypt (even though the people can vote him out at any time), escaped an attempt on his life today when he was out on a sTroll around the capital city, Thebes. An assassin dressed in black wraps and armed with a scimitar lunged out to attack the Pharaoh, who responded with his golden Khopesh. The ensuing epic duel caused nearly $1,500,000 in damage to the surrounding area. However, in the end, the Pharaoh defeated the assassin as he drove him into the path of a speeding tour bus. The Pharaoh escaped with minor lacerations and scratches.

The assassin was found to be hired by a conservative member of the Egyptian parliament, who was immediately arrested. Police say he went very calmly, "too easily;" they suspect something might be amiss. This will be watched carefully.

Reparations to the Western Desert Solar Farm have it back up to 60% complete and functional, however, with anti-aircraft defenses and forward observing posts with and enormous supply of searchlights and flares to identify invading stealth aircraft. Similar observing posts are being set up all around the nation.
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| March 31, 2011, 8:21 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
-Germans leaving East Prussia because of Communist oppression.
-Palestinians don't belong in Israel.
-Portuguese left Mozambique and Angola because they feared ethnic cleansing.

None of those cases apply here.


And yet, Anatolia did. Communist oppression? Ethnic cleansing? How do Nick's citizens know that these things won't happen, besides your promises? You're not always right, Ultra.

As for other ways, I did mean planes, just not the usual way you'd expect. And my fleet? I just sent it sneaking through the Pacific. I told Areetsa that their being spotted was in his hands, I'm pretty sure, but by the time our CM switched to Matt, it had been a long time since the fleet left, and I assumed they'd arrived in the PCU by then.

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| March 31, 2011, 8:27 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

How do Nick's citizens know that these things won't happen, besides your promises? You're not always right, Ultra.

Yep, well, they're right back where they started. A noose is around the PCU, literally; just look at the last map.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
As for other ways, I did mean planes, just not the usual way you'd expect.

If it's got wings at all and it starts leaving his territory, it gets turned back. Unless you've been smuggling them out in the bomb bays of your Arketers (all 100 of them), then they're back safe and sound back in the PCU.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
And my fleet? I just sent it sneaking through the Pacific. I told Areetsa that their being spotted was in his hands, I'm pretty sure, but by the time our CM switched to Matt, it had been a long time since the fleet left, and I assumed they'd arrived in the PCU by then.

Well, considering the dropped orders, defense plans, and other things; I'm not surprised that they weren't seen. Disappointed, but not surprised.

Do you know that, if my orders were properly executed, there could not have been a second attack on Midway?
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| March 31, 2011, 8:40 pm
Seychelles is 95% taken, with a very small amount of enemy soldiers still able to fight. Most have been taken prisoner by the Angolan infantry, and others have obviously killed or wounded. Other than that, nothing much is going in the land down under. Everything is going okay. Just thought I needed to inform you guys about this amazing information.
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| March 31, 2011, 8:44 pm
Quoting Matt P
Seychelles is 95% taken, with a very small amount of enemy soldiers still able to fight. Most have been taken prisoner by the Angolan infantry, and others have obviously killed or wounded. Other than that, nothing much is going in the land down under. Everything is going okay. Just thought I needed to inform you guys about this amazing information.

One of your nation's most beloved stars has a birthday today :3
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| March 31, 2011, 8:49 pm
In the CDC, another controversal set of laws has been passed by Congress in order to maintain the already low obesity rates. Any legal guardians who allow their children to become obese or morbidly obese will be subject to investigation and possible legal action for neglect. Many school lunch programs are being "revamped" with more funding to provide healthier, locally grown food to students for free (courtesy of private donations and government funding).
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| March 31, 2011, 8:52 pm
The PCU has told all civilians living abroad to lay low. They will be retrieved.
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| March 31, 2011, 8:54 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


As I said, there are ways around. You can't control the Pacific skies from two islands, and you certainly don't control the Atlantic skies.

9 Arketers, not 100. You know very well how many I have and that I do not exaggerate on such weapons.

Y'all can think what you will, no more propaganda, it's the triumph of the ill.
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| March 31, 2011, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
As I said, there are ways around. You can't control the Pacific skies from two islands, and you certainly don't control the Atlantic skies.

That's classified information, and yes I can. As I said, all information will be revealed in due time.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
and you certainly don't control the Atlantic skies.

I don't have to, I just have to control or be able to interfere with any route of getting TO the Atlantic.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
9 Arketers, not 100. You know very well how many I have and that I do not exaggerate on such weapons.

I meant all 100 civilians you could fit in the bomb bays of your bombers, I know you only have 9 left, thanks to me.



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| March 31, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
That's classified information, and yes I can. As I said, all information will be revealed in due time.



I'm extremely doubtful, but carry on.
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| March 31, 2011, 9:14 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm extremely doubtful, but carry on.

I shall, I shall indeed. With the proper intell, you could see it too.
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| March 31, 2011, 9:19 pm
Quoting -> avalella
In the CDC, another controversal set of laws has been passed by Congress in order to maintain the already low obesity rates. Any legal guardians who allow their children to become obese or morbidly obese will be subject to investigation and possible legal action for neglect. Many school lunch programs are being "revamped" with more funding to provide healthier, locally grown food to students for free (courtesy of private donations and government funding).

How is it the parent's fault if his/her child is over weight. The parent cannot force the child to excercise or lose weight. So it is out of their control. It is not fair nor is it just to prosecute a parent based on the actions and decisions of the child.

A similar unfair law would be prosecutng teachers if students fail because again it is out of their control.

I personally think that people should actually try to solve the problem instead of just going around blaming others.

I sense a large oppression of your people coming soon. ;)
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| March 31, 2011, 9:21 pm
Quoting henry wang
How is it the parent's fault if his/her child is over weight. The parent cannot force the child to excercise or lose weight. So it is out of their control. It is not fair nor is it just to prosecute a parent based on the actions and decisions of the child.

A similar unfair law would be prosecutng teachers if students fail because again it is out of their control.

I personally think that people should actually try to solve the problem instead of just going around blaming others.

I sense a large oppression of your people coming soon. ;)

I agree with you on the teacher thing, but I have a theory that says the success of a nation is most heavily reliant on good parenting.
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| March 31, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
One of your nation's most beloved stars has a birthday today :3

Hmm, would that be Angus Young, the lead guitarist in AC/DC?
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| March 31, 2011, 11:06 pm
Production of the [Classified] is being stepped up.

Civilians in the ACU are being told to keep their radios on the emergency channels to receive notice if any hostile units are headed their way.
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| April 1, 2011, 6:41 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU has told all civilians living abroad to lay low. They will be retrieved.

You know, this whole thing would be funny if it weren't so ludicrous.

1. At the onset of hostilities, I launched a comprehensive strike on 30 airfields/runways with the largest concentrations of PCUAF aircraft were located. Where would they be? At the places where they could be serviced to the greatest effectiveness; at the major airports, if you had any sense at all. Civilian aircraft would have been knocked out in droves by the EMP devices, crippling your transportation capabilities.

2. Unless they were rounded up by gunpoint, it would take weeks for even the first wave to be prepared for departure. Paperwork, provisions, fuel requisitions, and family reunification machinery all take lots of time. Besides, what would their motive for leaving be with your propoganda running 24/7 saying, "We're winning, we're winning, we're winning..." What kind of morale blow would it be for your soldiers to be fighting for an empty country? What would the reason to fight be anymore?

3. Arty's takeover of the CM saw the introduction of the Pacific Aerial Blockade plan and activation. Nothing, as previously stated and known very well by the CM, could possibly make it around more than 10,000 miles.

4. If not via Pacific, flying over any combat zone or through the airspace of a hostile nation would have proven suicidal at best. The airspace over the PCU has seen daily aerial duels for power of the skies. Civilian airliners would be knocked down without a chance, knowingly or not. Do you know the difference in target silhouettes between a 747 and a PCU AWACS? About 1 mile, that's what. In a BVR world, you dont' even lay eyes on the enemy to tell the difference. How do you tell the difference between a 787 carrying civilians and a C-17 carrying paratroopers? If you see a potentially hostile return operating over a known enemy airbase (that's exactly what your airports became after I missiled 85% of your airfields and you were forced into it), you take a shot, period. They literally would have been lambs lead to the slaughter. Possibly suffering 75% casualities, daily. Accidental or not, 1 or 2 planes get shot down, and you'd be surprised how many decide that staying put isn't such a bad plan after all...
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| April 1, 2011, 10:39 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
4. If not via Pacific, flying over any combat zone or through the airspace of a hostile nation would have proven suicidal at best. The airspace over the PCU has seen daily aerial duels for power of the skies. Civilian airliners would be knocked down without a chance, knowingly or not. Do you know the difference in target silhouettes between a 747 and a PCU AWACS? About 1 mile, that's what. In a BVR world, you dont' even lay eyes on the enemy to tell the difference. How do you tell the difference between a 787 carrying civilians and a C-17 carrying paratroopers? If you see a potentially hostile return operating over a known enemy airbase (that's exactly what your airports became after I missiled 85% of your airfields and you were forced into it), you take a shot, period. They literally would have been lambs lead to the slaughter. Possibly suffering 75% casualities, daily. Accidental or not, 1 or 2 planes get shot down, and you'd be surprised how many decide that staying put isn't such a bad plan after all...

Technically you could VID an AWACS as far as ten miles, weather permitting, but that's still ridiculous, as you can shoot it down from as far as 215 miles with the right missiles.

Nick, you're better off having them swim to China. Passenger jet travel is not safe. Tom N's aircraft could make it OK, since they'd be flying a registered and communicated flight path. Yours, on the other hand, have no communication with WC/Alaskan/Brazilian aircraft, and therefore the patrols would assume them to be hostile and promptly shoot them down. Saying you managed to sneak 747s through our patrol is ridiculous. The Arketer I can see getting past our patrols, but not a 747.

Quoting Matt P
Hmm, would that be Angus Young, the lead guitarist in AC/DC?


*bing* we have a winner! (I'm assuming anyway, since Cliffe's an AC/DC fan so he's likely not talkin' about some movie star...) XD
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| April 1, 2011, 12:39 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Technically you could VID an AWACS as far as ten miles, weather permitting, but that's still ridiculous, as you can shoot it down from as far as 215 miles with the right missiles.

True, and even then with NAVFLIR you could see through clouds; good point. However, the US uses 757-777s as C&C and radio aircraft all the time, which are prime targets as well considering their significance.
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| April 1, 2011, 1:15 pm
Quoting Matt P
Hmm, would that be Angus Young, the lead guitarist in AC/DC?

YES, THAT WOULD BE! :DDDD

<3 AC/DC <3
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| April 1, 2011, 5:29 pm
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I hate to say this, but I don't think I can continue Combat Modding. Here I am on my first no-busy day in quite a while, and I just can't get myself motivated to write CRs that frankly, I didn't want to do in the first place. Feel free to look for other CMs although if none can be found I will soldier on.
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| April 1, 2011, 6:04 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
I hate to say this, but I don't think I can continue Combat Modding. Here I am on my first no-busy day in quite a while, and I just can't get myself motivated to write CRs that frankly, I didn't want to do in the first place. Feel free to look for other CMs although if none can be found I will soldier on.
I think our only other options were Erik or Evan and neither of them wanted to do it if I remember correctly. =[

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| April 1, 2011, 6:13 pm
I'll CM!
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| April 1, 2011, 6:18 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
The NRoF government would like to announce it is protecting the small island west of Italy, that is now calling itself the Republic of Codjere.


For the sake of everyone else of normal and doubtful sanity, look at a map! It's called Corsica! Or Sardinia! There are TWO islands directly west of Italy!

Quoting luke peterson
I'll CM!


You're the final option, at least where I'm concerned.

Does anyone else here like the sound of my idea for splitting CMing between the four fronts we have here?
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| April 1, 2011, 6:26 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
I hate to say this, but I don't think I can continue Combat Modding. Here I am on my first no-busy day in quite a while, and I just can't get myself motivated to write CRs that frankly, I didn't want to do in the first place. Feel free to look for other CMs although if none can be found I will soldier on.


I can offer my services gladly. While many of the Allies may see me as biased, I swear I will be as fair as possible. I also have considerable freetime, and will not have a late CR.

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| April 1, 2011, 6:28 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I can offer my services gladly. While many of the Allies may see me as biased, I swear I will be as fair as possible. I also have considerable freetime, and will not have a late CR.


It would also make you impervious to Henry's wrath lol. As far as I am concerned this would be good.

@Awe- I hate to say it, but I do agree.
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| April 1, 2011, 6:31 pm
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I received some complaints regarding his CMing by the people involved specifically asking him not to do so again.
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| April 1, 2011, 6:49 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
I received some complaints regarding his CMing by the people involved specifically asking him not to do so again.

I thought Ultra praised him. :/

My comment is gone. Weird.
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| April 1, 2011, 6:56 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
I received some complaints regarding his CMing by the people involved specifically asking him not to do so again.

I thought Ultra praised him. :/

My comment is gone. Weird.
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| April 1, 2011, 6:57 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
I hate to say this, but I don't think I can continue Combat Modding. Here I am on my first no-busy day in quite a while, and I just can't get myself motivated to write CRs that frankly, I didn't want to do in the first place. Feel free to look for other CMs although if none can be found I will soldier on.

So are you going to at least write the one we sent you orders for?
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| April 1, 2011, 7:15 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I can offer my services gladly. While many of the Allies may see me as biased, I swear I will be as fair as possible. I also have considerable freetime, and will not have a late CR.

Not happening if they wouldn't let me be mod, you definitely can't be with your predicament in North America.
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| April 1, 2011, 7:34 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Not happening if they wouldn't let me be mod, you definitely can't be with your predicament in North America.


Simultaneously, I see it as common courtesy that you would let him be CM considering the respect that all the belligerents have given me despite my leanings for the Allies, which in all truthfulness, should have disqualified me from the start. I ask you to extend the same courtesy to him.
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| April 1, 2011, 7:38 pm
Quoting henry wang
Not happening if they wouldn't let me be mod, you definitely can't be with your predicament in North America.


I keep hearing all this stuff about Spanish troops in the Western Hemisphere. I didn't know there were any.

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| April 1, 2011, 7:40 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I keep hearing all this stuff about Spanish troops in the Western Hemisphere. I didn't know there were any.


Once again, I confirm this. The only thing that I have ever heard of was his transporting of the PCU special forces (which I of course botched due to confusing FMs from multiple people). He has nothing there, and has even cooled off like you have demanded he do.
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| April 1, 2011, 7:47 pm
I'm very confused. Who is writing the next (current) CR?
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| April 1, 2011, 8:12 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I keep hearing all this stuff about Spanish troops in the Western Hemisphere. I didn't know there were any.

No thank you, I wouldn't trust your CM-ing as far as I could throw you.

We'd go from winning to being conquered in half a CR with you.
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| April 1, 2011, 8:26 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
I'm very confused. Who is writing the next (current) CR?


No one.

Once again, we find our little war stalled.
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| April 1, 2011, 8:28 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

No one.

Once again, we find our little war stalled.

I think that your idea is the best, and makes sure that the least biased CMs will get the job and won't waste too much of their time.
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| April 1, 2011, 8:30 pm
I give you my newest Invention, the IF-15:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/52840060@N08/5581001374/

As for CMs, We have three choices: Brendan, Ham or stop the war.
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| April 1, 2011, 8:34 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I think that your idea is the best, and makes sure that the least biased CMs will get the job and won't waste too much of their time.


So, do we have any volunteers readily acceptable to all of us? Erik, Evan, Areetsa, and Matt could easily split this up, but the first two never wanted a part, and the second two quit.

So that leaves... Danny Morgan? He and Nick have a problem. Brendan? Ultra doesn't like him. Jake H? Forever inactive, supplying Brazil. New guys in France and Angola? Too new. Australia? No experience. Henry? Biased. Ham? Biased. Cole A? Forever inactive. Finn? Forever inactive, dead anyways.

Who does this leave us with? Absolutely no one at all. Gentlemen, we have a problem.


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| April 1, 2011, 8:38 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So, do we have any volunteers readily acceptable to all of us? Erik, Evan, Areetsa, and Matt could easily split this up, but the first two never wanted a part, and the second two quit. This will make sure that neither side gets the short end of the stick.

So that leaves... Danny Morgan? He and Nick have a problem. Brendan? Ultra doesn't like him. Jake H? Forever inactive, supplying Brazil. New guys in France and Angola? Too new. Australia? No experience. Henry? Biased. Ham? Biased. Cole A? Forever inactive. Finn? Forever inactive, dead anyways.

Who does this leave us with? Absolutely no one at all. Gentlemen, we have a problem.

How about starting some sort of council between ham and me and we'll bicker it out on what goes on. It'll be just like congress, two parties keep each other in check.
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| April 1, 2011, 8:40 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So, do we have any volunteers readily acceptable to all of us? Erik, Evan, Areetsa, and Matt could easily split this up, but the first two never wanted a part, and the second two quit.

So that leaves... Danny Morgan? He and Nick have a problem. Brendan? Ultra doesn't like him. Jake H? Forever inactive, supplying Brazil. New guys in France and Angola? Too new. Australia? No experience. Henry? Biased. Ham? Biased. Cole A? Forever inactive. Finn? Forever inactive, dead anyways.

Who does this leave us with? Absolutely no one at all. Gentlemen, we have a problem.


Bring forth some of your COP slaves!
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| April 1, 2011, 8:41 pm
Quoting henry wang
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So, do we have any volunteers readily acceptable to all of us? Erik, Evan, Areetsa, and Matt could easily split this up, but the first two never wanted a part, and the second two quit. This will make sure that neither side gets the short end of the stick.

So that leaves... Danny Morgan? He and Nick have a problem. Brendan? Ultra doesn't like him. Jake H? Forever inactive, supplying Brazil. New guys in France and Angola? Too new. Australia? No experience. Henry? Biased. Ham? Biased. Cole A? Forever inactive. Finn? Forever inactive, dead anyways.

Who does this leave us with? Absolutely no one at all. Gentlemen, we have a problem.

How about starting some sort of council between ham and me and we'll bicker it out on what goes on. It'll be just like congress, two parties keep each other in check.

I actually really like that idea... let's go with that.
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| April 1, 2011, 8:54 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Who does this leave us with? Absolutely no one at all. Gentlemen, we have a problem.


I have an idea, but no one will like it. What if we had just one more CR, just one paragraph, that would be similar to an after-action report or a chapter you would find in a history book, that would sum up the rest of the war (bringing it to an end) based on what information we have and probable outcomes?

I think that the admins could take a couple days to think it all over, and come up with the results and publish them.

What say ye?

Quoting henry wang

How about starting some sort of council between ham and me and we'll bicker it out on what goes on. It'll be just like congress, two parties keep each other in check.

Or that might just work...

Unless Ham turns around and tells Nick & Awe our plans (defenses, stuff like that). I don't trust him at all. We'd have to enact some sort of penalty for that, for both sides.
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| April 1, 2011, 9:17 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Unless Ham turns around and tells Nick & Awe our plans (defenses, stuff like that). I don't trust him at all. We'd have to enact some sort of penalty for that, for both sides.


At this point, I really don't care which side wins. Both sides have committed great atrocities. I'm really only shipping Nick his tanks, which might not even get to the PCU with their inability to defeat 2 islands.

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| April 1, 2011, 9:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting henry wang

How about starting some sort of council between ham and me and we'll bicker it out on what goes on. It'll be just like congress, two parties keep each other in check.

Or that might just work...

Unless Ham turns around and tells Nick & Awe our plans (defenses, stuff like that). I don't trust him at all. We'd have to enact some sort of penalty for that, for both sides.

I agree with that entirely. Sounds like a good plan.
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| April 1, 2011, 9:35 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

So do you agree with our splitting of the conflict?
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| April 1, 2011, 9:36 pm
Quoting henry wang
So do you agree with our splitting of the conflict?


Sure. Do you want to do this by FM or something else?
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| April 1, 2011, 9:38 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

At this point, I really don't care which side wins. Both sides have committed great atrocities. I'm really only shipping Nick his tanks, which might not even get to the PCU with their inability to defeat 2 islands.

Yep, we're both tied at one apiece. I don't count Alenia because it was retaliatory.

I'm not entirely surprised. I'm like a bad dream, I just keep popping up...
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| April 1, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Sure. Do you want to do this by FM or something else?

Do you have AIM that will make it faster, but other than that, FM would be fine. And we'll do every other day, and starting tomorrow. And we may have to skip a couple of days as I have a lot of work for sports and school.
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| April 1, 2011, 9:42 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Sure. Do you want to do this by FM or something else?

Might I proffer a suggestion? Why don't you two start your own flickr group (private, of course) to copy + paste the orders and then you can both look at the same thing while discussing the results? That way, we could send it to the CM we each trust the most (I don't care anymore) and you would know exactly what is going on?
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| April 1, 2011, 9:46 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting CherokeeKly .
The NRoF government would like to announce it is protecting the small island west of Italy, that is now calling itself the Republic of Corisca We will protect the island with our full reserve if neccesary (a total of 419,000 men)to defend the new country.

We would like any European Nations who oppose this action to let us know, as we will kindly withdraw troops from the island. Also, if a European Nation wants the French Government to stop negoiations with RoC, let us know, as we WILL stop.

That would be a yes please, and mostly from an admin prospective. You can't just say a random part of another country broke off and became a protectorate. I mean Napoleon was born there.

Also, you don't have the military capability to protect anything that far away from you, let alone get almost a half million troops over there.


Not to mention the fact that Corsica is a part of France.

@Henry: I'd go with what Ultra said.

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| April 1, 2011, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
It's my opinion that it's come time for the war to stop, and for negotiations to start. If y'all are up for this, I'll create a separate thread where negotiations can begin, and I can try and act as a mediator (although I admit I really don't know much about the situation). Just by looking at the maps though it's fairly clear which side has the upper hand., at least in captured territory.

If it isn't completely finished, it will only start again, by their own admission.

Yes, it is clear, and that is why I think my previous suggestion bears further consideration.

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| April 1, 2011, 10:06 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
@Henry: I'd go with what Ultra said.

I'll make the group.

And are you ok with starting tomorrow?

And I think you guys should just resend all the orders you sent Matt.

To keep things fair and to prevent cheating the allies will send to me and axis to ham. We will not accept any orders beyond the deadline, and we will then debate what happens to keep combat fair.
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| April 1, 2011, 10:54 pm
I like the idea of a Congress, I like the idea of a single CM, and multiples, but the one I dislike the most is negotiation.

The only reason I don't want it, is because I'll get totally short-sticked on the table.
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| April 1, 2011, 11:05 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I like the idea of a Congress, I like the idea of a single CM, and multiples, but the one I dislike the most is negotiation.

The only reason I don't want it, is because I'll get totally short-sticked on the table.

You have ham protecting me from doing anything biased against you, and I will make sure ham won't wreck Ultra. It's the only fair way to get the only two people who can mod to mod fairly. And we won't negotiate that much because most likely we will come to the same conclusions based on the quality of the plans, the real arguing will only take place in the casualty rate.
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| April 1, 2011, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I like the idea of a Congress, I like the idea of a single CM, and multiples, but the one I dislike the most is negotiation.

The only reason I don't want it, is because I'll get totally short-sticked on the table.


Aye, I'm suspicious of this. I want our epic last stand to drag on for weeks.
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| April 1, 2011, 11:14 pm
Nothin' much happening in Angola today...

Anybody want to invade me? If not, I got plans...
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| April 1, 2011, 11:31 pm
Quoting henry wang

Since you're the allies' CM, what's your FM?
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| April 2, 2011, 8:22 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
Since you're the allies' CM, what's your FM?

My FM is whanry, and we will be taking orders until 7:00 PM EST and soon after we will post the orders in the group, and we will agree on what happens.

On another note, allies FM to me and axis FM to ham.

Finally before you send your reports, please give us exactly how many troops you have committed to battle.
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| April 2, 2011, 9:09 am
Quoting henry wang
My FM is whanry, and we will be taking orders until 7:00 PM EST and soon after we will post the orders in the group, and we will agree on what happens.

On another note, allies FM to me and axis FM to ham.

Finally before you send your reports, please give us exactly how many troops you have committed to battle.

I'd rather not share my special defenses and certain tactics with my enemies...
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| April 2, 2011, 9:57 am
I do not want to send my plans to Henry.
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| April 2, 2011, 11:59 am
Quoting Thomas N
And just like congress, no work will ever get done with you two arguing back and forth.

/high-five.

I'd rather go with a split-front report between a few members than have plans consistently leaked.
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| April 2, 2011, 1:06 pm
Quoting Will G.
I'd rather not share my special defenses and certain tactics with my enemies...

Aren't you on the Allies? I can assure you that Henry will NOT start feeding information. I can only hope that Ham is mature enough to play a text-based game fairly, but I really don't know him. Isn't there something to be said of somebody doing this job to help the group? Also, it would be kinda obvious if someone randomly decided to evacuate/greatly reinforce an area around a certain areaf, for instance, therefore it wouldn't be that difficult to sense some foul play.
Quoting Nick Shelton
I do not want to send my plans to Henry.

Honestly, if you are really doubting the credibility of someone who stepped up so YOU can have your little war game, and who went out of his way to insure that there is no bias in the reports by suggesting a new system, which will probobly be much harder for the mods, I think you should just surrender right now. THERE IS NOBODY LEFT IN THIS GROUP WHO IS WILLING TO CATER TO YOUR EVERY WHIM, WHO IS NOT ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THIS CONFLICT. Seriously, we either get Henry and Ham to do it, or we can't have a war. Sorry if this seems harsh, but I really think some of us need a reality check here. Its a game, Henry is not going to be biased because he wants the Allies to win, because it really wont make a difference to him. The only reason hes leaning towards the Allies is because Ham is leaning towards the Axis, but if they were both CM's, there would be no leaning, therefore no reason to be biased. I really don't think this should be that big of a deal, but whenever you guys are ready to stop being so picky, maybe we can actually do this thing. Arguing about who the mod is is
A: Only making people lose interest
and
B: Wasting time; we haven't had a CR for like a week now, and I'm really starting not to care.
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| April 2, 2011, 1:58 pm
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I'll concede to this if it's the last option necessary. I can't help but feel there'll be a good deal of... less than optimal things resulting.

Quoting CherokeeKly .
I personally believe we should just end the war, because millions of people are dying. Someone should end this war with nuclear weapons. You are honestly fighting for nothing, Allies. PCU should give in and the Allies should impose sanctions on them. PCU can't win, in my opinion. JUST GIVE IN.


Just give in? Do you know who you're talking to?
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| April 2, 2011, 2:15 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
You are honestly fighting for nothing, Allies.
I agree.


Quoting CherokeeKly .
PCU should give in and the Allies should impose sanctions on them. PCU can't win, in my opinion. JUST GIVE IN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c&feature=related
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| April 2, 2011, 2:27 pm
Ok well if you guys have any better way to do it that wouldn't be biased I'm all ears, other than that this is the only way to get it done. And we both promise that we will not disclose the information about plans to anyone because neither of us have anything to gain.
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| April 2, 2011, 2:53 pm
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Yesternight, an Assembly-approved arms sale was shipped off to India. The order was rather small in quantity, but we still got a few dollars out of it all. Three Antonov airframes, twenty BMP-3s, and ten TOS-1s [all vehicles stripped down to meet foreign sales regulations] were shipped off for an undisclosed price.

A dialogue between the Union State and Vietnam has been opened. Some years before, Russia figured Vietnam would be one of its largest arms patrons and now we hope to make this a true realization. Granted the SE Asian state is a fledgling with contemporary weaponry, we hope to buy back some Soviet-era arms and then hand over more modernized ones at reduced prices. If all goes well, a sustained trade program shall boost our private defense sector quite nicely.

Aside from all of that, more Federation troops were harmed in the Ukrainian Civil War. Pro-Russian elements have organized themselves with the security forces presently in-country. Although this surely looks nice on paper with the increase in combined arms and all, the Unionists [as dubbed by the Federal Assembly] are just making targets out of our boys. Nationalist snipers and other armed radicals have been taking pot-shots at Federation troops over the past couple of weeks leaving nearly 120 men dead or injured. Even though the gesture is futile, the Union State continues to press urgency amongst the dying Ukrainian government for a joint defense initiative to halt the growing secessionist movement. If positive field intel is not recorded by the end of next week, the Union State will be playing for keeps by occupying certain hotspots indefinitely.

Moving a bit south, the Union State now snarls at the fact Byzantium cannot contain its assembly of allied nations. Presently, we fear that a disguised coup d'etat established by Byzantium and its neighbors could have taken place. If this is the case, the Union State is prepared to re-establish the proper regime in Moldova by force. I'm watching you, Evan.
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| April 2, 2011, 3:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I'd rather go with a split-front report between a few members than have plans consistently leaked.

Care to name someone to take half of it? Most of the admins around here are pointing, saying "Not me, him!" Matt's the only one who's fulfilled his duties, and done so well.

As for the leaks, that's why we should impose harsh penalties, up to loosing your country for such infractions.

Quoting John Dawn
I agree.

What part of "The PCU attacked first" don't you understand? Now THAT was really for nothing.
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| April 2, 2011, 3:47 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Quoting John Dawn
I agree.

What part of "The PCU attacked first" don't you understand? Now THAT was really for nothing.

While I do agree we started the Original War, it was stopped by a cease-fire. One that you broke.

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| April 2, 2011, 4:06 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
While I do agree we started the Original War, it was stopped by a cease-fire. One that you broke.

A cease-fire is a temporary agreement, and is not at all binding in any way, as you well know. If I didn't strike first, you would have. It was mathematical.

Quoting Evan Melick
I'm sorry we are abandoning our duties by having prior commitments outside the internet.

I know that came off rather harsh, but it's frustrating when the same people who promise so much when they started the group aren't around when they're needed. Believe me, I understand busy schedules, heaven knows I've got one; it's just frustrating.
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| April 2, 2011, 4:12 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
A cease-fire is a temporary agreement, and is not at all binding in any way, as you well know. If I didn't strike first, you would have. It was mathematical.


Can't know that for sure.

However, I'm weary of all this arguing, I have an agenda to stick to. It's time to finish this. Who do I sent orders to?
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| April 2, 2011, 4:20 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Can't know that for sure.

However, I'm weary of all this arguing, I have an agenda to stick to. It's time to finish this. Who do I sent orders to?

Send your orders to ham, and any of the allies who want their plans to be included send them to me. All orders due by 7:00 pm EST and with the amount of CMing that needs to be done we'll get the pacific, gulf of mexico, and canada done by tonight. Note due to the amount of writing need to be done we will keep it as short as possible.
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| April 2, 2011, 4:22 pm
I'm still not clear as to what's going on with the CMs.

If I'm not mistaken, Henry and Ham are going to co-mod the conflict?

If that's the only option, I'll comply, but I'd rather not have Ham know my tactics and technologies.
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| April 2, 2011, 4:25 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
I'm still not clear as to what's going on with the CMs.

If I'm not mistaken, Henry and Ham are going to co-mod the conflict?

If that's the only option, I'll comply, but I'd rather not have Ham know my tactics and technologies.

Sadly this is the only way left for us to sustain CMing
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| April 2, 2011, 4:32 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Sadly this is the only way left for us to sustain CMing

Well, that's why we need penalties to keep you guys honest. I'm all for the strategic advantage, but I'd rather loose fairly than win dishonorably.

I do know of a couple things that will be a dead giveaway that Ham's been slipping defense plans, because I'll have only told two people now...
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| April 2, 2011, 4:38 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So, do we have any volunteers readily acceptable to all of us? Erik, Evan, Areetsa, and Matt could easily split this up, but the first two never wanted a part, and the second two quit.

So that leaves... Danny Morgan? He and Nick have a problem. Brendan? Ultra doesn't like him. Jake H? Forever inactive, supplying Brazil. New guys in France and Angola? Too new. Australia? No experience. Henry? Biased. Ham? Biased. Cole A? Forever inactive. Finn? Forever inactive, dead anyways.

Who does this leave us with? Absolutely no one at all. Gentlemen, we have a problem.


I'm ok (I think?) with Nick now, I'd say I'm as neutral as i'd get with everyone.

Unfortunately Any spare time I get tends to go CMing the 23rd Century. However, if you guys can't find anyone else at all, I may be able to somehow squeeze in 1 CR a week.

But consider me a very last resort option.
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| April 2, 2011, 4:47 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Also, is it really too hard for people to be honest enough to use the honor code and not slip people other people's confidential information? Likewise, the people here should be able to use the honor system enough to not ask the CM's to slip them information.


I've been doing this the whole game, bro. Ask Jack or Ultra.
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| April 2, 2011, 4:48 pm
Oh, you guys are ok for CMs? Good...
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| April 2, 2011, 4:59 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Likewise, the people here should be able to use the honor system enough to not ask the CM's to slip them information.

I would never ask for such info. But given Nick & Co's use of spies in the past, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that they had Ham cook this whole thing up to obtain our plans. Actually, it would fit their method rather nicely.

Speaking of which, what do you think about the penalties I put forward?
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| April 2, 2011, 4:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I would never ask for such info. But given Nick & Co's use of spies in the past, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that they had Ham cook this whole thing up to obtain our plans. Actually, it would fit their method rather nicely.

Speaking of which, what do you think about the penalties I put forward?


Believe what you want, I won't do that. Nick hasn't even asked me to give him info, and it certainly wasn't planned out. Honor of the CM.

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| April 2, 2011, 5:09 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Believe what you want, I won't do that. Nick hasn't even asked me to give him info, and it certainly wasn't planned out. Honor of the CM.

Well, I guess your word is good enough for me.
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| April 2, 2011, 5:32 pm
Ham and I will not accept any more orders for tonight, the first CRs will be rolling off the production line in at best 2 hours.
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| April 2, 2011, 6:56 pm
Well, since the CR is already being written, and no more orders may be sent in, El Presidente has decided to inform the public, in a *nationally* broadcasted address of a large CDC military operation underway in the Americas. He did not give ANY specific details, however he did wish all allied soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen the best of luck. He encouraged citizens of all faiths to keep their comrades in mind, and to live their lives to the fullest, because the CDC is fighting to maintain their freedoms. Lastly, he informed the public that they would recieve news of the success in the morning. Afterwards, many anxsious citizens took to their stoops, parks, porches, and places of worship to discuss and pray for the safebeing of the troops. It has been reported that El Presidente will be spending the night reading the novel Red Storm Rising, while he waits to read-err-hear the CR-err-outcome of the ensuing battle.
In other news, a large order of LAV-45 vehicles has been placed to replace our older Soveit-era IFVs and APCs. Also, an amphibious variant of the M908A4 is under development, with lighter armor along with a watertight engine compartment. These vehicles will likely not go into service until after the war is over, however.
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| April 2, 2011, 8:32 pm
Upper Admiral Roberts gave a speech to his men today, aboard the HGS Nimitz, rallying his sailors and their Fleet.

The PCU has readied all emergency pre-cautions along their coast, in preparation for the next CR.
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| April 2, 2011, 8:39 pm
Quoting -> avalella
because the CDC is fighting to maintain their freedoms.
Who is threatening your freedoms?

Because last I checked no one is invading you.

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| April 2, 2011, 8:41 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Who is threatening your freedoms?

Because last I checked no one is invading you.

Why are you fighting? Who was threatening your freedoms? Last I checked, we had no intention of invading you.

It's one of those things that's called 'foresight.' Like me and Will have. We can look into the future and see some things before they happen.

Actually, I half thought he would cast in his lot with the axis, but I'm glad he's on our side of this mess.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Upper Admiral Roberts gave a speech to his men today, aboard the HGS Nimitz, rallying his sailors and their Fleet.

I thought it was 'Uber' Admiral Roberts. No?

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| April 2, 2011, 9:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Why are you fighting? Who was threatening your freedoms? Last I checked, we had no intention of invading you.

It's one of those things that's called 'foresight.' Like me and Will have. We can look into the future and see some things before they happen.

Actually, I half thought he would cast in his lot with the axis, but I'm glad he's on our side of this mess.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Upper Admiral Roberts gave a speech to his men today, aboard the HGS Nimitz, rallying his sailors and their Fleet.

I thought it was 'Uber' Admiral Roberts. No?

On your first comment, that foresight is totally BS. I had no intention of continuing the war past the cease-fire. In my mind, we all knew where we stood. I guess that wasn't enough for you. I wouldn't attack Cuba either, I have no right to be in their AO.

And I will not respond to your stu-pidity concerning "uber"
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| April 2, 2011, 9:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Why are you fighting? Who was threatening your freedoms? Last I checked, we had no intention of invading you.
I never said I was fighting for my freedoms. I'm fighting for the survival of the Pacific Union.

Plus I'm actually part of the States, unlike Cuba, Whom this war does not effect.

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| April 2, 2011, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
That's where I get half of my battle strategies. >.>


During the Greenland incident I was going to pull a Soviet Union on your fleet (the first strike that sunk the Foch and Saipan, and crippled Nimitz). Very good read, should be required reading material for CMs.
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| April 2, 2011, 10:07 pm
In the CDC, large recylcing centers are being set up around the country to both reduce our carbon footprint on the world and to make the most of our resources. Much of our military's old soviet equipment is being recylced.
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| April 2, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Regardless, I am glad that we did not have to see how well our Clancy/Bond strategies would have worked.
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| April 2, 2011, 11:11 pm
I never thought this, but the true unsung heroes of the war are the CMs

CR Part 1
Canada

Across the Canadian-US border, there were huge clashes between Chinese and WC forces. The ensuing were fatal and futile for both sides as both tried to advance in about the same direction.

The Chinese advance was quickly slowed as the forces ran right into a carpet bombing from WC bombers. When MAF-2s were quickly dispatched to intercept the bombers, they faced the numerous escorts. The ensuing engagement cost the WC 12 bombers along with 5 F-89’s and 6 F-29’s. The Chinese lost 12 of their MAF-2’s as many were too focused on the bombers to realize to that they had escorts. This fatal strike destroyed 35 tanks, 35 IFVs, and killed around 1,500 soldiers. The advance was then again stalled by numerous CAS aircraft. These support missions made the Chinese pay for every inch that they took; yet, in the end they only gained 2 miles towards their objectives. However, casualties for getting this far were high, 60 tanks destroyed, 47 helicopters destroyed, 50 IFVs lost, 36 MAF-2s shot down, and around 3,500 soldiers KIA with many more wounded and missing. They took with them 25 tanks, 5 IFVs, 17 F-89’s, 20 F-29’s, 15 OV-11’s, and around 500 KIA and many more wounded and missing.

The WC advance was no different, although the in the beginning all went according to plan, as numerous radar and AA positions were hit. This initial strike destroyed about 45% of radar positions on the border and 75% of AA positions on the border. (Note: the initial carpet bombs also targeted these positions as well, and they decimated Chinese positions here as well) The following airstrikes and CAS missions were not pestered by as much AA, but MAF-2’s still took a toll on them. The initial advance drove 1.5 miles into Canada, but basically from then on out the advance just grinded to a halt. As Chinese tanks and aircraft just were too much for the WC. All in all the bill for the WC was 16 F-89’s shot down, 23 F-29’s shot down, 15 OV-11’s shot down, 35 tanks destroyed, 35 IFVs lost, 68 helicopters destroyed, and around 2,000 KIA and many other dead or missing. With them they took 15 MAF-2s, 30 tanks, 5 IFVs, and around 650 KIA and many more wounded.

All in all the entire Chinese advance gained 2 miles and the WC advance gained 1.5 miles.

While this was all happening, during the wee hours of the day into the late night, Alaskan aircraft and soldiers penetrated into PCU help Canada. PCU forces were completely caught off guard, and much of Alaska’s plans were accomplished. During the early morning numerous bombers and aircraft struck Vancouver. A majority of the city’s AA and radar positions were eliminated. (I have no idea whether or not the city itself was supposed to be hit so I’ll just say there were no civilian causalities) Then a wave of strike aircraft struck and destroyed a majority (85%) of the city’s military and air traffic control facilities. Then numerous aircraft attacked the few forces located near Prince Rupert, there were a few air engagements, but all in all the PCU military in the region was decimated. Alaska lost 5 A-10s and 5 helicopters. While the PCU lost 3 MAF-2s and 300 KIA. Later on that day, Alaskan forces took Prince Rupert, and even went as far as advancing .5 of a mile because there was such little resistance. On the same day, Alaska made another advance into Canada aiming to take the city of Whitehorse. The advance went smoothly, losing 5 tanks to 15 tanks. The remaining men reached Whitehorse and stopped. When PCU forces tried to counterattack from Haines they were intercepted by 12 Valkaries, and the counterattack was halted. All in all, few casualties on both sides, but a success for Alaska.

Finally the WC launched a hail mary behind PCU and Chinese lines with numerous special forces soldiers. The over 2,000 para-dropped elite soldiers just completely harassed the PCU and Chinese supply lines and communications lines. The attempt to reach WC lines, although futile did prove to be costly for the enemy to stop. They just wrecked the supply areas, many bridges were destroyed, 2 small airfields were taken, communications lines were cut, supply depots destroyed, and numerous outposts destroyed. In a day’s work, these men destroyed 17 tanks, cut supply, cut communications, killed multiple high ranking officers, took out 14 aircraft, destroyed 32 vehicles, and killed around 750 soldiers. On the other hand, these men are now trapped in pockets, and are slowly running out of supplies, in the day, they lost 500 of their number. But one of the best things that they did is that now, the axis Canadian front is beginning to run out of supplies, fuel is beginning to get short, and it will take much longer to get to the Alaskan beachhead.

On another note, the Axis' steal fighters plan failed as most aircraft were in the air and since the "POWs" weren't in the Alaskan Air Force anymore they didn't have access to the airfields. They were caught attempting to gain entrance into Alaskan airfields, Alaska will have full control over what will happen to them.

Note usually I will not have time for these novels, so yall with just need to deal with concise reports.
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| April 2, 2011, 11:38 pm
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Yeeesssss!!! Chinese forces are finally stopped and running out of fuel!

I know, the CM position is tough! But it was indeed an honor when I did it, I found it extremely invigorating!

Quoting Nick Shelton
On your first comment, that foresight is totally BS. I had no intention of continuing the war past the cease-fire. In my mind, we all knew where we stood. I guess that wasn't enough for you. I wouldn't attack Cuba either, I have no right to be in their AO.

Yeah, sure. I totally believe you. You've never forgive in the past. But that is beside the point now.

Well, he joined for his own reasons, I don't pretend to speak for him.

Quoting John Dawn
I never said I was fighting for my freedoms. I'm fighting for the survival of the Pacific Union.

I ask again, why? You got yourself involved in a war that is lost, and you will be losing your country for your troubles. You should have stayed out of this one.
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| April 2, 2011, 11:44 pm
Quoting John Dawn
I never said I was fighting for my freedoms. I'm fighting for the survival of the Pacific Union.

Quoting Ultra I ask again, why? You got yourself involved in a war that is lost, and you will be losing your country for your troubles. You should have stayed out of this one.
There are so many false statements there that I'm not going to bother fixing them.

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| April 2, 2011, 11:54 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, sure. I totally believe you. You've never forgive in the past.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

Anyways, today in China:
-Productions, development, projects, everything a psychotic empire needs.
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| April 2, 2011, 11:58 pm
Quoting Evan Melick

Btw Jack, what ever happened to your brother? Y'all were the cornerstone of all these shenanigans.

He's takin' aviation school. He's in Galena (smack-dab in the middle of Alaska) and the internet there is cr@ppy, so he's hardly ever online. He's got lots goin' on up there too, and no LEGOs. It was a lot more fun back when he was around... back in the good ol' days of the RA and the CAS...
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| April 3, 2011, 1:40 am
In the CDC, coal mines are begging to yield much greater outputs than expected, and our iron and steel industrys are already benefitting from these new operations, thereby boosting all aspects of the CDC economy. Due to the heavy demands of the war effort, gas prices in the CDC are beggining to raise slightly, however the prices are expected to drop once the war ends. The CDC Department of Agriculture has finally finished development of drought and insect resistent crops, and the bioengineered seeds are hitting the market in time for the extremely busy harvest season. These new crops are much more durable, and require less water then their natural counterparts, allowing farmers to grow a larger number of them without risking the negative health effects of pesticidal drugs.
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| April 3, 2011, 1:55 pm
The WC carrier fleet in the Pacific has been performing all sorts of manuevers lately, to throw off Axis fleets. The commanding officer must have thought this was a pretty smart thing to do. But it was a stroke of luck for a PCU force determined on eliminating them.

Early morning: The WC fleet is performing one of their turn backs. In the middle of this, a wolfpack of 6 PCU Los Angeles class subs moves in to attack. WC subs on the perimeter are caught off guard, and 2 of their own Las Angeles class are destroyed. Only the newer Virginia class was able to manuever in time to fight back, claiming one kill before it too is sunk. ASW ships are then alerted to this threat, fast moving towards the WC carriers. They are able to take down another LA before the subs fire on the carriers. All but two torpedoes bear true to their targets. ASW ships attempt to take more, but the subs have executed a bizarre tactic. Getting extremely close to the carriers, they fire Tomahawk missiles right at their sides, to great effect. One sub was even able to successfully get under the old Essex class and fire a missile straight up, splitting it in half and sinking it. At this point, the former Spanish carrier has taken great damage, and the Nimitz and Forrestal have taken moderate damage. All PCU subs were then sunk.

Then, a large force of 75 PCU F-35s/ F-18s, 9 Chinese Arketers, and a large, undetermined amount of Chinese MAF-2s descends upon the chaotic fleet. They sink the Forrestal outright, and do more damage to the Nimitz. The former Principe de Asturias evades most of the blow due to its size and little importance to the Axis. A good deal of WC surface ships are also destroyed, and a couple small cutters. At the same time, 5 more subs come at either side of the WC fleet. Several destroyers are destroyed, and 4 LAs are sunk as well. The surviving subs were able to withdraw during the confusion.

If this wasn't enough, the main PCU fleet moved in to fight. 75% of the remaining ships were alloted to this dire mission. At first, the WC was very disorganized and took losses quickly. Most cutters/Guatemalan ships were unable to put up any fight at all, and were gone very quickly(as if they were any use anyways). The two WC battleships were able to make as much use the type can in modern warfare, and used their big guns to target one of the PCU carriers(Nimitz class, I believe) and along with help from smaller ships, sunk it. This victory was short lived, as they were sunk as well within minutes. It was soon very clear who the victor was to be. The PCU destroyers finished off the Principe de Asturias. The WC broke up into two fleeing groups, one being the Nimitz and several escorts that left early on, the other being a hodge podge of anything from cutters to cruisers. 5 more LAs attacked the latter as they tried to escape, as did the surface fleet. Losing 2 more, they were able to finish them off.

In all, it was a colossal victory for the PCU. Despite taking heavy casualties, the objective was complete, and the threat has been effectively neutralized. The WC Nimitz barely escaped, and is in poor condition. It's catapult is destroyed, the deck wrecked, and many of it's fighters were killed like fish in a barrel. PCU fighters fanned out for the ship, but could not find it. However, they did find a small force of Australian ships at Midway. 3 Battleships, 6 ANZAC class, and 4 Adelaide class(Australia doesn't have 6 now, they sunk 2 last year)

Losses:
WC
All ships except for 1 Nimitz class and several small escorts
Most fighters, except for 20 stored in Nimitz.
PCU
11 Los Angeles class subs
1 carrier
More than 60% of ship in combat
All fighters onboard said carrier
China
Most fighters, from AA and being on said carrier after attack.

@Jack: Your bombers didn't attack Hawaii because the PCU has left, and the airfields can't be used. You would have ended up accidentally hitting friendly targets
@Ultra: Your air attack didn't happen because the battle happened before.
@Others: You will be in the next Pacific CR. Adjust accordingly.
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| April 3, 2011, 3:41 pm
If someone could please mod my previous comment, that would be nice. It's the Pacific CR.
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| April 3, 2011, 3:42 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Good, but I thought we agreed on both PCU carriers being at least damaged because of the initial Alaskan attack.
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| April 3, 2011, 3:49 pm
Upper Admiral Roberts, from the Island of his Carrier, gave a momentous victory speech to his men. They have struck a colossal blow, and the PCU has received a huge morale boost.
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| April 3, 2011, 3:50 pm
Quoting henry wang
Good, but I thought we agreed on both PCU carriers being at least damaged because of the initial Alaskan attack.


Ah yes, forgot that.

The sunken PCU carrier has hit hardest earlier by an Alaskan B-170 attack. The damage was a factor in its sinking from the battleships. The other suffer less damage.
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| April 3, 2011, 3:53 pm
Mexico and covert ops missions will come out tomorrow as we are both very busy. Also I would like to inform the PCU that your moral is getting quite low because of how your recruiting process works.
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| April 3, 2011, 4:02 pm
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We are happy to announce that today all vessels that were not yet commissioned and made it through sea trials have now officially been accepted to the UNC Navy. Our successful ASAT systems have now been fitted to all of our modern vessels.

The UNC Ground Defense Forces are pleased to announce complete integration of troops using our new ICS. The average soldiers have just begun receiving this enchancement system, which includes cameras, powerful radios, and a visor providing real time video feeds, maps, and even ammo counters. This system will once again make infantry a major force on the battlefield, by increasing their effectiveness greatly. Also, along with this system is a next-gen body armor tested to be 1.5 times as effective as Dragon Skin. This upgrade is being well received by the public, as it keeps our brave men and women in service that much safer.

The UNC reaffirms its stauch stance of neutrality concerning the war in the Americas.

JAS-43 prototypes are approaching 30% completion at this time.
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| April 3, 2011, 4:04 pm
I'd like to know where Ultra got my Valkyries, it's just that Nick is accusing me of trading with you which would go against our peace-treaty. I don't remember trading any Valkyries with Ultra...

:-/
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| April 3, 2011, 4:25 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I'd like to know where Ultra got my Valkyries, it's just that Nick is accusing me of trading with you which would go against our peace-treaty. I don't remember trading any Valkyries with Ultra...

:-/

Alaska not Ultra...
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| April 3, 2011, 4:27 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
The two WC battleships were able to make as much use the type can in modern warfare, and used their big guns to target one of the PCU carriers(Nimitz class, I believe) and along with help from smaller ships, sunk it.

What is that supposed to mean? You clearly did not look at the convenient link I provided: http://mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=247017&id=/user_images/14536/1294962096m

What 'big guns?' It's got one turret, fully modern defenses, and lots of silos for ASMs!

The Australians use big guns, not me.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
It's catapult is destroyed, the deck wrecked, and many of it's fighters were killed like fish in a barrel.
Losses:
WC
All ships except for 1 Nimitz class and several small escorts
Most fighters, except for 20 stored in Nimitz.

I am most distressed that 200+ fighters were bested by a quarter of their number. I clearly said I had that many there. Especially when I had 60+ stealth fighters, which would at least match the number sent in by China and the PCU. My F-29s (all 75 of them) are better than any F-18 the PCU could have sent in.

Besides, do you know what kind of maneuvering the sub would have had to do to get under the carrier and engage it with missiles? They go the same speed, no way it could have completed a maneuver like that and won!
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| April 3, 2011, 4:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I am most distressed that 200+ fighters were bested by a quarter of their number. I clearly said I had that many there. Especially when I had 60+ stealth fighters, which would at least match the number sent in by China and the PCU. My F-29s (all 75 of them) are better than any F-18 the PCU could have sent in.

Besides, do you know what kind of maneuvering the sub would have had to do to get under the carrier and engage it with missiles? They go the same speed, no way it could have completed a maneuver like that and won!

I didn't really like the sub things either, but I think the one Nimitz surviving was a gift because he wanted your entire fleet gone. But all in all Ham and I will address the problem and try to make the situation more fair for both sides. I would also like to just clear up one thing, due to miscommunication between Chinese and PCU forces all MAF-2 fighters were forced to ditch because they ran out of fuel, 50% of the pilots were picked up, the others died in combat or during the ditch. (Awe, even if Wake and Midway were destroyed, you would not have been ale to land because the runway would not be there) Also one Chinese stealth bomber was destroyed in the air battle, as WC CAP was capable on engaging. Finally, Allies, Hawaii is yours now, PCU soldiers were easily overwhelmed because of the lack of air support.
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| April 3, 2011, 4:51 pm
Man! I wish everytime I whined about the CR it'd get changed JUST for me!

Quoting Ultramarine

U mad, bro?
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| April 3, 2011, 4:54 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Also one Chinese stealth bomber was destroyed in the air battle, as WC CAP was capable on engaging.


Note to self: Next time a CR doesn't go my way, whine about it instead of accepting the CM's decision as final like the other big boys.
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| April 3, 2011, 4:57 pm
Quoting henry wang
Alaska not Ultra...

Oh good, I haven't [had time to] read the CR yet, but Nick just told me Ultra sent some Valkyries.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:01 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Note to self: Next time a CR doesn't go my way, whine about it instead of accepting the CM's decision as final like the other big boys.

Ham and I aggreed that you would lose all your fighters and one of your bombers, he just forgot to put it in the report.

Also he is not whinning he is pointing out some holes in the CR, and I feel that to truly be fair we need to plug up these holes. I will also grant you the same curtesy to point out holes in CRs.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:02 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I didn't really like the sub things either, but I think the one Nimitz surviving was a gift because he wanted your entire fleet gone. But all in all Ham and I will address the problem and try to make the situation more fair for both sides.

Especially since I was looking for sub attacks. I don't know how 4 carriers with so many aircraft aboard were taken by a single carrier and a bunch of subs.

Especially wildly maneuvering carriers.

Ok, since so many people have coughed over the description of my most modern surface vessel as a battleship, I will now call it a cruiser. Nothing will have changed, except its name. I cannot seem to get anyone to understand that it is this: http://mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=247017&id=/user_images/14536/1294962096m
Not this: http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/missouri.htm

When will anyone get it?

Quoting henry wang
Also he is not whi__ing he is pointing out some holes in the CR, and I feel that to truly be fair we need to plug up these holes. I will also grant you the same curtesy to point out holes in CRs.

Thank you. Reasonable discussion is not 'complaining.'

Quoting Nick Shelton
U mad, bro?

At least I don't tell the CM to 'bad word'-off like someone we all know whose name is Nick.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:03 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Ham and I aggreed that you would lose all your fighters and one of your bombers, he just forgot to put it in the report.

Also he is not whinning he is pointing out some holes in the CR, and I feel that to truly be fair we need to plug up these holes. I will also grant you the same curtesy to point out holes in CRs.


I see. As for holes in the CR, maybe I should start by pointing out the superior armor and caliber of our tank weaponry, or the higher stealth factor of some of our planes to theirs. Maybe all those helicopters of mine that just keep disappearing from the reports.

But no, I don't do that. I accept things for what they are, and get ready for next time. If there was one thing I hated as being CM, it was people complaining.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:08 pm
When the Axis loses a Combat Report, they formulate their counter-attack.

When the Allies lose a Combat Report, they whine until they've won that Combat Report.

Let it be known that when the PCU went down, they went down fighting. When the WC falls, I'm sure I couldn't say the same for them.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:09 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
or the higher stealth factor of some of our planes to theirs. Maybe all those helicopters of mine that just keep disappearing from the reports.

The what? The Dove doesn't even look stealth. It's got more 90 degree angles than a barn door. Just look at the nose.

Let's just say that since it's up to the CM as far as aircraft performance goes, it sways back and forth. Tom & Arty were enamored with your plane, Matt & Henry aren't.

About your helicopters? Mine disappeared too, and I didn't mention them either.

It's just magic how you guys win against the odds. It's a matter of numbers sometimes and it gets crooked when the scales are tipped oddly.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:11 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

For the helicopters, its been proven time and time again that CAS in general and especially helicopters will take huge losses. On the note of tanks, your tanks can't do anything if they get hit with bombs. Also when they did engage they were defeated on many ocasions by Matt's Arctic Wolves. When facing WC made armor they did better, having a 2:3 ratio, yet, facing Matt's tanks they were defeated with a 2:3 ratio as well.

Also your aircraft did do well, they had a pretty good shoot down ratio. I have no idea why your complaining that I let your planes do better.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The what? The Dove doesn't eve look stealth. It's got more 90 degree angles than a barn door. Just look at the nose.


I count the air intakes... And yes, that's the square bits. Think before speaking out in anger, Ultra. I didn't have the skill for non-square intakes then, but that's no excuse. The difference between you and I is that I look reality in the eye, you try to change it to suit yourself. That's going to backfire one day.


Quoting henry wang
For the helicopters, its been proven time and time again that CAS in general and especially helicopters will take huge losses. On the note of tanks, your tanks can't do anything if they get hit with bombs. Also when they did engage they were defeated on many ocasions by Matt's Arctic Wolves. When facing WC made armor they did better, having a 2:3 ratio, yet, facing Matt's tanks they were defeated with a 2:3 ratio as well.

Also your aircraft did do well, they had a pretty good shoot down ratio. I have no idea why your complaining that I let your planes do better.


Oh no, I'm not complaining, just pointing things out. I am not asking for anything to be changed, I'm fine with what you say goes. You're the CM, not us.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I count the air intakes... And yes, that's the square bits. Think before speaking out in anger, Ultra. I didn't have the skill for non-square intakes then, but that's no excuse. The difference between you and I is that I look reality in the eye, you try to change it to suit yourself. That's going to backfire one day.

Considering the way Tom ripped apart Danny's attempt at a stealth aircraft, then I was being gentle.

Please critically read what I said and notice I didn't ask for anything to be changed. I made some comments about some things I thought to be absurd. They could have changed the wording and I'd have been fine with it. It was the CM team that said there would be a change.

I did not expect to lose the fleet, and I didn't want to, but notice I didn't demand anything? Or tell the CM to go to town when something didn't go my way like Nick did.

Well, I'll have to see about it, won't I?
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| April 3, 2011, 5:19 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
... the superior armor and caliber of our tank weaponry, or the higher stealth factor of some of our planes to theirs. Maybe all those helicopters of mine that just keep disappearing from the reports.

Well, the truth is that no one actually KNOWS what your caliber or armor is on the HAT-1. Also, we actually HAVE Statistics that everyone can see and are roughly correct.

U mad son?
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| April 3, 2011, 5:20 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Well, the truth is that no one actually KNOWS what your caliber or armor is on the HAT-1. Also, we actually HAVE Statistics that everyone can see and are roughly correct.

U mad son?


Actually, the armor is a special composite mix we're hesitant about revealing, and the caliber is unknown because I'm not that familiar with guns. I've gotten suggestions from 150mm to 300mm, most of them landing in the 200mm zone.

So no, I'm not mad, little puppet.

Quoting Ultramarine .

Well, I'll have to see about it, won't I?


Indeed we shall. I still think you should just let things be though.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:26 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Indeed we shall. I still think you should just let things be though.

I'm done. You guys do egg me on, though. I'm content that I cost you 2 super bombers and all of your fighters. Somewhere in your territory, a wing commander is crying...
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| April 3, 2011, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm done. You guys do egg me on, though. I'm content that I cost you 2 super bombers and all of your fighters. Somewhere in your territory, a wing commander is crying...


And I'm content I've helped cost your nearly your entire Pacific fleet and have cleared the way to save my friend. I'll see you on the battlefield.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:46 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
So no, I'm not mad, little puppet.

Indeed we shall. I still think you should just let things be though.

That may or may not be hypocritical, seeing how you've been pulled into this by the great puppeteer, Nick.

"And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree,
there will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,
there will be an answer. let it be. " Beatles Quote FTW!
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| April 3, 2011, 5:48 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And I'm content I've helped cost your nearly your entire Pacific fleet and have cleared the way to save my friend. I'll see you on the battlefield.

Wrong. The fleet was a pawn. Well, no, it was a bit more important than that; probably more like a rook. You'll see, I have many more surprises up my sleeves.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:49 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
That may or may not be hypocritical, seeing how you've been pulled into this by the great puppeteer, Nick.


I'm in this because I chose to be. I could let Nick fall, but then I'd have someone even more dangerous on the other side of the ocean.

Oh, Beatles for the lose.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Wrong. The fleet was a pawn. Well, no, it was a bit more important than that; probably more like a rook. You'll see, I have many more surprises up my sleeves.


There is no way you could have more than four carriers. But I look forward to seeing just how much you're willing to lose in this war. By the time you finish Nick off, you won't be in a condition to fight for months and months...
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| April 3, 2011, 5:55 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
By the time you finish Nick off, you won't be in a condition to fight for months and months...


Frankly, I don't expect anything to get done anywhere in North America for a long period of time, even if it ended now.
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| April 3, 2011, 5:58 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
There is no way you could have more than four carriers. But I look forward to seeing just how much you're willing to lose in this war. By the time you finish Nick off, you won't be in a condition to fight for months and months...

I don't intend to be in action for awhile after this. Like I said, the next action I see will probably be similar to my involvement in the Indonesian thing; very limited.

However, we'll see how many carriers I've lost in the final count.

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| April 3, 2011, 6:02 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

There is no way you could have more than four carriers...

Thats exactly what I said to Nick. With a combined GSP of ~ 2.5-3 Bil. he could never run a military that large without severe economic problems.

Quoting Henry

When's the rest of the CR for the Pacific going to be up?
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| April 3, 2011, 6:17 pm
@ brickr
That was it, as you never sent me orders.

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| April 3, 2011, 6:41 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Breaking news!

OOC: Doing this, since IRL, the countries I control only field frigates as their largest ships, not destroyers, so I thought it's be more realistic, and downgrade some of the Hydras to the new "Thessaloniki" class ships I posted about 20 minutes ago. Moi bad.

You didn't spend your 'half hour' on Wikipedia well... =P

Quoting Brikkr ™
Thats exactly what I said to Nick. With a combined GSP of ~ 2.5-3 Bil. he could never run a military that large without severe economic problems.

C'mon, how could you be so naive? Cliffe obviously sold him Egypt's magical economic model as part of the axis lend-lease! =D
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| April 3, 2011, 6:57 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You didn't spend your 'half hour' on Wikipedia well... =P


He did, he initially replaced his 20 frigates with the closest approximation to them of what he had (the Hydras) and decided for the sake of realism to downgrade them.
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| April 3, 2011, 7:05 pm
Today in the RAS...

The RAS is beginning production of two Holland-class Destroyers. While the fight in Seychelles is winding down, soldiers are being taken out of the island. Training programs go on as planned. factories produce war vehicles as normal. And troops are currently doing nothing you need to know about.
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| April 3, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

He did, he initially replaced his 20 frigates with the closest approximation to them of what he had (the Hydras) and decided for the sake of realism to downgrade them.

I know, I was pulling his chain there. He said it would take us like 30 minutes on Wikipedia to figure out what all we had when we started, but it took much longer...
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| April 3, 2011, 7:22 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I know, I was pulling his chain there. He said it would take us like 30 minutes on Wikipedia to figure out what all we had when we started, but it took much longer...


The one day I did it it took an hour only to get the "query for group 001 failed." I haven't even bothered to do it again.
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| April 3, 2011, 7:24 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

With the situation in the Pacific still unclear, it didn't go quite like the WCHC expected. However, it was a strategic victory for us, as will become abundantly clear shortly.

The final order of 15 B-3s and 25 F-89s were delivered to the WC two days ago by the Commonwealth and other allies. No more will be made for the duration of certain persons in certain positions.

With this, the WC would like to remind Spain that they also can no longer assist Egypt with the rebuilding of its solar farms as it would be aiding a belligerent nation. Nor can the delivery of certain armored units en route be supplied.

M90 MkII production has reached a total of 90. They have yet to be put into line action, though rumors have made the rounds that the Iron Regiment tankers have been pulled off the line, their tanks being taken over by other units. We shall soon see how this newer, better combat force will perform. When they do go into combat, it will be with over 150 M76s, 200 ASULTs, and 75 SATs.

Quoting Matt Hacker
The one day I did it it took an hour only to get the "query for group 001 failed." I haven't even bothered to do it again.

I had to copy & paste it to stop that from happening.
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| April 3, 2011, 7:26 pm
Whoa whoa whoa, settle down. Let's clear some things up that I knew Ultra would complain about:

-There was no fighting in the air. The initial attack and the air attack were basically in rapid succession. The carriers were unable to get many off, if any. Those that were launched were quickly shot down from above. All the fighters were lost onboard.
-The strategic victory was clearly with the Axis. They still have a full carrier of mixed Chinese/PCU fighters, and a potent attack group.
-Your Essex class is nearly 100 years old. The Forrestal isn't much younger. They aren't made with the kind of armour newer carriers have. Of course they aren't going to survive much.

It seems every CR that something goes wrong for you, you have to complain.
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| April 3, 2011, 8:30 pm
Quoting Ultramarine "strategic victory"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

But seriously, that'd be like me claiming that I'm winning the Border War.
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| April 3, 2011, 8:38 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Ok well I thought both PCU carriers are either sunk or unable to launch aircraft but that's besides the point. I need you to see if you like how I worded how covert ops would play out so I can get a CR out.

Also I would like to stress that ALL Chinese fighters were lost because they can't land on an aircraft carrier because they don't have a hook. I thought we agreed on that.
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| April 3, 2011, 8:42 pm
Quoting henry wang
Ok well I thought both PCU carriers are either sunk or unable to launch aircraft but that's besides the point. I need you to see if you like how I worded how covert ops would play out so I can get a CR out.

Also I would like to stress that ALL Chinese fighters were lost because they can't land on an aircraft carrier because they don't have a hook. I thought we agreed on that.


They do have a hook. Awe says there isn't a carrier variant, and they can work on both land and sea. Hybrid, if you will. But there's still a small number of them. No more than 20.
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| April 3, 2011, 8:54 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
-There was no fighting in the air. The initial attack and the air attack were basically in rapid succession. The carriers were unable to get many off, if any. Those that were launched were quickly shot down from above. All the fighters were lost onboard.
-The strategic victory was clearly with the Axis. They still have a full carrier of mixed Chinese/PCU fighters, and a potent attack group.
-Your Essx class is nearly 100 years old. The Forrestal isn't much younger. They aren't made with the kind of armour newer carriers have. Of course they aren't going to survive much.

-What I'm seeing here, though, is that radar, sonar, and visual detection systems all failed simultaneously in beautiful coordination with their attacks.
-Missile defenses also all (16 combined, not to mention those on the escorts, another 8-10) failed in obvious simultaneous coordination with their attacks.
-CAP was 40 aircraft strong, should have bought SOME time. Though since the sonar mysteriously went blank, I suppose that could be feasible.
-The Forrestals went out in 1998, so they're fairly modern.

It doesn't really matter now, but do you know that the Brigand is this: mocpages.com/moc.php/247017 and not a 'big-gun' Missouri-class? That might come in handy later, just saying.

However, as I understand, this situation is under review.
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| April 3, 2011, 8:56 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Also I would like to stress that ALL Chinese fighters were lost because they can't land on an aircraft carrier because they don't have a hook. I thought we agreed on that.


So I guess my planes also cannot change direction or use radar because I didn't include little details like flaps and avionics either? Just saying.
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| April 3, 2011, 8:57 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
So I guess my planes also cannot change direction or use radar because I didn't include little details like flaps and avionics either? Just saying.

You even stated in your orders that if the islands weren't taken, then they wouldn't land. And also you have never once mentioned any sort of MAF-2 with carrier capabilities so I must assume that none exists.
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| April 3, 2011, 8:59 pm
None of Ultra's carrier-based craft that he built have hooks either, so >.>
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| April 3, 2011, 9:02 pm
Quoting henry wang
@ brickr
That was it, as you never sent me orders.

Your Flickr is this right?
http://www.flickr.com/people/44946226@N06/
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| April 3, 2011, 9:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Anti missile guns are on the deck, no? How can that be of any use from a missile coming straight at the side of the ship from under the water? Especially with the overhang of the deck? And if these battleships or whatever have missiles now, then maybe I'm inclined to give back that one PCU carrier. They have anti-missile weapons too, you know.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

But seriously, that'd be like me claiming that I'm winning the Border War.

I wouldn't brag, if I were you. You are blissfully unaware of some very important things.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:04 pm
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Quoting henry wang
You even stated in your orders that if the islands weren't taken, then they wouldn't land. And also you have never once mentioned any sort of MAF-2 with carrier capabilities so I must assume that none exists.


I also mentioned I had aerial refueling...

Whatever, I can build more. Our predictions are coming true, this is devolving into bickering.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:04 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Anti missile guns are on the deck, no? How can that be of any use from a missile coming straight at the side of the ship from under the water? Especially with the overhang of the deck? And if these battleships or whatever have missiles now, then maybe I'm inclined to give back that one PCU carrier. They have anti-missile weapons too, you know.

Good for them, they have brains too. If that's the case, that illustrates clear bias. You're willing to give back the PCU ships, but not mine, for the same reasons, no less?

Don't you think it's rather strange that ALL of my detection systems were magically thwarted?

Yes, with the deck overhang, I scratch-modernized those carriers, and I didn't skimp on the defenses. They were comprehensive for a 360 degree bubble.

And what happened to the Australian attack that was to be included? You just 'conveniently' assumed they weren't there, when I clearly indicated otherwise.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:10 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Good for them, they have brains too. If that's the case, that illustrates clear bias. You're willing to give back the PCU ships, but not mine, for the same reasons, no less?

Don't you think it's rather strange that ALL of my detection systems were magically thwarted?

Yes, with the deck overhang, I scratch-modernized those carriers, and I didn't skimp on the defenses. They were comprehensive for a 360 degree bubble.


I'll have you know Henry wants to give you back a carrier so you be quiet. And I was just giving an example.

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| April 3, 2011, 9:14 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'll have you know Henry wants to give you back a carrier so you be quiet. And I was just giving an example.

Well, thank you. I hadn't intended to say anymore on the subject when you brought it up. However, one of the battleships (now cruisers) was sunk in the first engagement. I also was honest in reporting my losses, which I doubt Nick was.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:16 pm
Final Decisions on casualties:

MAF-2s from China lost
Cruisers/Battleships do same thing but with missiles
Australian ships at Midway(Could not get there in time, like other Axis fleets)
Everything else the same.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:22 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Final Decisions on casualties:

MAF-2s from China lost
Cruisers/Battleships do same thing but with missiles
Australian ships at Midway(Could not get there in time, like other Axis fleets)
Everything else the same.

The Australians were underway for five days now. They should have been there.

Which carrier did I get back? The Great Falls or the Lexington?
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| April 3, 2011, 9:25 pm
While the PCU does regret the loss of one of their Nimitz carriers, we are glad that they no longer have to be maintained.

After this colossal victory, Upper Admiral Roberts has been promoted to Vice Admiral, keeping the Vice Admiral in charge of the Alexander Hamilton company. He has also received the Governor's Cross.

The ships we have lost were all nearing their half-century mark, leading the way for newer ships to be purchased and brought into the PCUN.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The Australians were underway for five days now. They should have been there.

Which carrier did I get back? The Great Falls or the Lexington?


For the love of Inglip, just take what you get...

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| April 3, 2011, 9:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Australians were underway for five days now. They should have been there.

Which carrier did I get back? The Great Falls or the Lexington?


Neither.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:27 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Neither.

I'm not sure I understand. You just said...
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| April 3, 2011, 9:30 pm
Part 3
Covert Ops

Today, numerous special forces operations commenced around north America.

The day started off with a para-dropping of two teams into the EC. One of the teams was killed instantly, and the other went on to complete the mission. Hundreds were killed in Mississippi because of a poisoning of the water system, a George W. Bush statue was destroyed, and in an attempt to destroy WC factories. Which turned out to be fake, they were caught. Of the team half committed suicide immediately while the other half was captured. Another team was inserted into Cuba, and they knocked out 1 F-42 factory and 1 Longhorn Factory, they are currently pinned down inside another factory. They are beginning to run out of supplies; Cuba is free to do whatever they want with them.

During the wee hours of the day, numerous fighters bombed the Capitol Building in Montgomery and many other factories. The attack was successful in destroying the almost capitol building (multiple janitors killed) and destroyed 2 nearby non-military factories. All fighters were intercepted and shot down, 20 F-16s lost and 4 F-15s lost to 4 of The EC’s fighters.

The WC struck with a surprise attack on Area 51, the facility was easily and quickly neutralized, and only cost the WC 25 soldiers while the PCU lost many of the military garrison there. Although the attack went smoothly, only 80% of the facilities survived due to sabotage and collateral damage.

An attempt by Egypt to rally a Jihad against the Confederations actually backfired for everyone. Now instead of just jihad against The Confederations only, there is Jihad against everyone in the world. Egypt was struck with numerous terrorist attacks, and many civilians were killed. Cuban Muslims were oppressed and angry at the government, easily obtained weapons from the government itself, and currently there are numerous standoffs between Cuban and Muslim forces. In the Confederations, an attempted hijacking of aircraft failed, and numerous civilian aircraft were either shot down or forced to land. The Confederations and the AU are also dealing with numerous uprisings attempted uprisings from Muslims. In the PCU numerous ethnically oppressed groups also joined the Muslims in their combined attack against the western governments. They too are also engaging pro-governmental forces. Finally in China, Muslims have taken the Province of Qinghai. In Xining, numerous han groups have been slaughtered, and the current government is going to need to deal with the entire province. Sadly, the entire Jihad plan has been a complete failure for everyone.

At the same time all axis forces attempted a hack attack on the WC, it worked partially. Military systems were well guarded and so were not affected that much. But private web security failed, and 50% of many systems are shut down. Although, this can all be fixed once the virus implanted is removed.

Finally dissent in the PCU ranks has risen along with the deaths of many high ranking officers including an area commander of the PCU army. Dissent is at an all time high because of entire recruiting process, many soldiers are beginning to desert their posts. Moral was boosted slightly because of the minor naval victory, but overall due to the mass retreating it is still quite low.


@Ultra we could not come to a deal for you to get your carrier back.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:30 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm not sure I understand. You just said...


Read the final casualties. The carriers fall under "everything else stays the same"
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| April 3, 2011, 9:31 pm
Dude, what's wrong with my recruitment system?! I don't draft people!
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| April 3, 2011, 9:32 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Dude, what's wrong with my recruitment system?! I don't draft people!

Our indentured peoples, like the African-American and Indonesian POWs, have been conscripted to defend both borders in the face of soldier losses. They will be trained a little before combat, and will be operating in support roles.

That's not exactly a good system for the soldiers.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:33 pm
Quoting henry wang
Our indentured peoples, like the African-American and Indonesian POWs, have been conscripted to defend both borders in the face of soldier losses. They will be trained a little before combat, and will be operating in support roles.

That's not exactly a good system for the soldiers.

Those are the people we plucked out of poverty to build the Capital, they stayed behind when the War broke out. Now they are going to fight, because they've got to help their 17 children, and their wife LaQuisha!
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| April 3, 2011, 9:35 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Those are the people we plucked out of poverty to build the Capital, they stayed behind when the War broke out. Now they are going to fight, because they've got to help their 17 children, and their wife LaQuisha!

Yeah, but I can almost garantee they don't want to fight. So I'm not going to point out your clear racism, and I'm just going to say that their deserting and that's final.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:37 pm
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Quoting henry wang
An attempt by the Axis to rally a Jihad against the Confederations actually backfired for everyone. Now instead of just jihad against The Confederations only, there is Jihad against everyone in the world.

...

Finally in China, Muslims have taken the Province of Qinghai. In Xining, numerous han groups have been slaughtered, and the current government is going to need to deal with the entire province.


Please don't say this was an Axis-wide attempt, I take it as an insult to my intelligence.

So, Qinghai is in revolt. They joined willingly, I treated them well, and they slaughter my people... Good thing I've got veteran soldiers down south in Tibet. The gloves are coming off. /puts on SS cap

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| April 3, 2011, 9:37 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Please don't say this was an Axis-wide attempt, I take it as an insult to my intelligence.

So, Qinghai is in revolt. They joined willingly, I treated them well, and they slaughter my people... Good thing I've got veteran soldiers down south in Tibet. The gloves are coming off. /puts on SS cap

All I'm going to say is that when you call for a Jihad you typically go against every non-Muslim, so everyone will get hit sadly. Qinghai will not be easy to take as there are many mountains and deserts. All I will say now is that any anti rioting operations will be at your own control.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Please don't say this was an Axis-wide attempt, I take it as an insult to my intelligence.


Agreed, reword it to "Egypt's Nutjob Pharoah".

Spain news:
Engineer corps are to be pulled out immediately due to the instability in the country. Any Muslim who wants to start trouble in Spain will be quickly suppressed. We don't want anything spoiling the grand parade.

I'll deliver those tanks, by the way, as Matt sent you his as he was CM.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:42 pm
@Henry: Le k. Doesn't matter. I grab the guns and I commit ethnic genocide!
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| April 3, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Quoting henry wang
All I'm going to say is that when you call for a Jihad you typically go against every non-Muslim, so everyone will get hit sadly. Qinghai will not be easy to take as there are many mountains and deserts. All I will say now is that any anti rioting operations will be at your own control.


My point is, I didn't even know this was going to happen. I know very well the geography of Qinghai, it's gonna be heII to secure again. Someone just had to go and start a jihad...

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| April 3, 2011, 9:48 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I'll deliver those tanks, by the way, as Matt sent you his as he was CM.


Actually, it was a week before when I had no clue I would be CM.
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| April 3, 2011, 9:50 pm
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Quoting henry wang
@Ultra we could not come to a deal for you to get your carrier back.

I see, well, I think it's becoming clear as to what I meant by 'strategic victory.'

Too bad about Area 51, but that should make a nice difference on the front...

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

My point is, I didn't even know this was going to happen. I know very well the geography of Qinghai, it's gonna be heII to secure again. Someone just had to go and start a jihad...

"Why can't you just accept what the CM says?" Sound familiar?

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I'll deliver those tanks, by the way, as Matt sent you his as he was CM.

Nope, refer to what Matt says. It was a week prior. Your tanks go bye-bye. Feel free to deliver them somewhere else. Somewhere in S. America.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:22 pm
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The way I see it, you have the Axis leaning CM destroying the WC fleet in one blow and the Allied-leaning CM starting a global jihad. I think that these cancel each other out really. If anything the war should go a bit faster now...
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| April 3, 2011, 10:25 pm
In the CDC, a deal has been struck with the angry muslim population in Cuba. All muslims who wish to practice Islam in its entirity have been granted the "Spanish Virgin Island" off the coast of Isla de Mona Nature Reserve. They will lose their CDC citizenship, however they will maintain a sense of Quasi residency, meaning they will pay of taxes, be represented by a small delegation in Congress, they will recieve military protection, and all other benefits of living in the CDC. A small harbor will be built on the island (no airports). They may govern their island as they choose to, as long as they continue paying their taxes. Nobody may be forced onto the island, however, and anyone wishing to enter it has to sign a plethora of legal papers. We hope these measures will serve to calm our angry islamic population, by offering a decent "highway" option.
In other news, the commando team inside our factories has been arrested, and are being interrogated currently (Henry where are these guys from?). Repairs are underway to get the factories operational again.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Today 1.5...

WC law enforcement is being deployed to deal with the situation. A statement from the WCHC: "We are perfectly willing to dwell with you if you dwell with us. Return to peace, there is no more pity left in our hearts for the likes of you. If you try to form a fifth column, there will be found no quarter for you here."

Locked & loaded for bear, the law enforcement units and civilians are gathering to defend their homes from these people. A majority of them have decided that dipping the bullets in pig's blood would be a most effective deterrence for this type of attacks...

Quoting Matt Hacker
The way I see it, you have the Axis leaning CM destroying the WC fleet in one blow and the Allied-leaning CM starting a global jihad. I think that these cancel each other out really. If anything the war should go a bit faster now...

I was thinking the same thing, actually.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:26 pm
Excuse me, but we were already having terrorist attacks in Egypt because of the liberals in politics.

Why would they attack anyone else? We explicitly directed Muslims living in the enemy territory to attack the oppressors. We didn't call on anyone else to go terrorist on anyone else. The only other thing we did was we asked our fellow Muslim nations to donate to our cause.

Therefore- these other terrorist attacks have nothing to do with my Jihad. It's impossible. The contact made with Muslims in the enemy nations had to be very discreet in order to get it through. There's no way other Muslims could have known about it.

I say this is just a result of Henry's h@tred of terrorism. Which he has for good reason, but I say "terrorism" (guerrilla warfare carried out for a political cause) has its place.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:35 pm
All minorities in uprising in the PCU have been ordered to lay down their arms by 4/4/37, or they may have their population put down to a more manageable size.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:35 pm
Fine, I'll deliver them to myself. They can join the ranks of the other MT-3s built by Spain, for Spain. Less factory work now.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
The way I see it, you have the Axis leaning CM destroying the WC fleet in one blow and the Allied-leaning CM starting a global jihad. I think that these cancel each other out really. If anything the war should go a bit faster now...

We both oked both reports.

@Cliffe A Jihad is a reason to go to war with any non-Islamic religions, so ta-da you get your Jihad. Also word spreads quickly, and many radical Islamics are just devot to a level in which they will do this.

@Avalella- They won't tell you as they are highly trained commandos.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:40 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Excuse me, but we were already having terrorist attacks in Egypt because of the liberals in politics.

Why would they attack anyone else? We explicitly directed Muslims living in the enemy territory to attack the oppressors. We didn't call on anyone else to go terrorist on anyone else. The only other thing we did was we asked our fellow Muslim nations to donate to our cause.

Therefore- these other terrorist attacks have nothing to do with my Jihad. It's impossible. The contact made with Muslims in the enemy nations had to be very discreet in order to get it through. There's no way other Muslims could have known about it.

I say this is just a result of Henry's h@tred of terrorism. Which he has for good reason, but I say "terrorism" (guerrilla warfare carried out for a political cause) has its place.

No offense but your strategy was waaaayyy to complex to actually work with these people. The way I see it, its almost impossible to control the anger of extremist Islamic peoples.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:42 pm
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Quoting henry wang

So we've had Canada, Pacific, and front. Are we waiting on Baja still?
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| April 3, 2011, 10:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
So we've had Canada, Pacific, and front. Are we waiting on Baja still?

There is still Mexico and The Front, but those may take a while as I have a lot of work to do.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

"Why can't you just accept what the CM says?" Sound familiar?


"Read again, you'll see I didn't actually ask for anything to be changed." Take some of your own medicine.

I'm pointing all fingers at Cliffe, not the CM.
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| April 3, 2011, 10:51 pm
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Today, 2.0...

The WCHC has received some pleasing reports from the Canadian front. In the general carnage, 4 Hat-1s, in various conditions, and three other tanks were captured. We're going to look them over to find out certain things that have been troubling us about them. Results should be forthcoming.
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| April 4, 2011, 12:31 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Oh good, I haven't [had time to] read the CR yet, but Nick just told me Ultra sent some Valkyries.


The only Valkyries in the conflict are mine.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I also mentioned I had aerial refueling...



Mid-air refueling = bad idea for you. A midair refueler can be shot down from at least 200 miles away, and you don't have the comparitive air power to guard one.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


A jihad is a holy war based on moral principles. Due to the fact that in the PCU, if you're a young woman who can't pay your taxes you get forced into immorality, the jihad-warriors would attack the PCU, not the confederations. Sorry to inform you of this, but most muslims don't support g@y rights either.
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| April 4, 2011, 12:33 am
I've made a new SAM turret thing:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5587527295/in/photostream/

buyers wanted.

Also, I've got a fighter plane in the works...
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| April 4, 2011, 2:02 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, 2.0...

The WCHC has received some pleasing reports from the Canadian front. In the general carnage, 4 Hat-1s, in various conditions, and three other tanks were captured. We're going to look them over to find out certain things that have been troubling us about them. Results should be forthcoming.


How about no.
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| April 4, 2011, 2:05 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

How about no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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| April 4, 2011, 7:24 am
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In light of the recently launched global jihad, the UNC has begun cyberintelligence operations, monitering all web traffic relating to jihad or radicalization. Those who are suspected of potentially waging jihad will have all of their government provided privilages revoked (health care, free eductation, etc.) until further discrete analysis has shown that they do not have those intentions. Also, quick reaction police teams (think SWAT) are on high alert across the UNC. In a specific address to the muslims of the the nation, the PM made a statement to encourage peaceful practicing of their religion, and to not be pursuaded by the words of the madman in Egypt. After all, no good will come to anyone should jihad be waged in the UNC. General security has been increased across all installations and cybersecurity teams are on standby.
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| April 4, 2011, 11:06 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

How about no.

Well, it seems only logical, I plastered you pretty good. You're disorganized and running out of supplies (per CR), so it makes sense that certain things were left behind.
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| April 4, 2011, 1:24 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

Except, no. I sent orders that all PCU equipment would be destroyed before it was abandoned. So those tanks would be just huge hunks of metal, with nothing to be really obtained from them.

Quoting Jack Ford

That's not the only option. We can provide numerous entry level jobs for the homeless/less fortunate, adult entertainment is just a listed option. Internship at the Palace is yet another one.


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| April 4, 2011, 5:19 pm
Okay, I really should have seen this coming. To think that average conservative Americans would know what a real Jihad is is actually quite fooIish of me.

Real Jihad =/= radical/Wahabi Muslim terror-spree.

Real Jihad = Muslim word for "crusade." That is, a loosely-holy war against the government and military of a specific nation. The last one was called by Syria against Israel, but only Egypt and a few Palestinians factions responded, and that's because Egypt was in a union with Syria at the time (most people don't know about that).

Al Qaidea "Jihad" = pseudonym for global radically-religious terrorism. It's not the same Jihad I called for at all. All Arab Muslims who live/have lived in the middle east know the difference. I know two Muslims. One's a Palestinian named Feda, and the other is a Jordanian named Raed Al-Doqum. They both go to my school and are in my Biology class. Raed came to America when he was 8, and Feda came when he was 14, so no, they're not completely American yet.

Even conservative Muslims h@te the Wahabi, or radical Muslims. They're like Westboro Baptist Church... no one likes them (OH WAIT, I'm not so sure about that... /looks at Ultra). We did not direct any radical Muslims to rise up. We simply declared a holy war on the WC, EC, and SC. I didn't even include Cuba, I didn't think they were worth it since... um... there are barely any Muslims there. Why are they having such problems? That doesn't make any sense.

Both conservative and liberal Muslims, like Christians, often don't have any problem with g@ys unless they claim to be religious. Then it's a problem for them. And I can sort of understand that. Again, I know Muslims. Two of them. They don't hate g@y people. Not one bit. If anyone wants to question me, I can FM them a link to Raed's Facebook page for proof. Feda doesn't have one.

What's all this about morality and women? Have you ever heard of a Harem? Muslims have prostitutes as well. You can find them easily in certain parts of Cairo. I'm not saying I'm not for women's rights, but hey, it makes money. Plus, a lot of women like it. I see it as a proper punishment for not paying taxes, and seeing how a Muslim harem works, I think they would think so as well.

Although if you noticed from video of the Egypt protests, most of the young women there (and there are quite a few) aren't all wrapped up. In fact, they appear to be wearing what you would expect an American or European woman to be wearing. Ten years ago, that would be blasphemy.


With that said, I determine that the global terrorism is not a result of our planned attacks, but instead the resurgence of a radical Muslim terror network (we didn't set up any kind of network between Muslims, it was a discreet one-way connection, which was promptly severed after the message was delivered. Therefore, a new terrorist network must be responsible). Possibly a resurgence of Al-Qaidea.

Egypt will respond with the creation of a 2,000 man anti-radical task force to deal with the threats around the world. It will be made up Egyptian Army soldiers trained by former terrorists(under VERY close supervision...) and operatives who have infiltrated terrorist groups in the past. We find the best way to deal with terrorism is to fight fire with fire- with some modifications to reduce collateral damage as much as possible, of course.

This force, dubbed the Anti-Radical Expeditionary Force, or AREF, will travel to China, PCU, and AU and Spain to combat the Wahabi scum. If allowed, we will also send units to the UNS, Britain, Russia, the Byzantine Federation, and anyone else who will accept our expert aid.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:21 pm
Quoting henry wang
@Avalella- They won't tell you as they are highly trained commandos.

Alrighty then. Here's what I shall do to them.
Move them into complete solitary confinement, heavily monitered behind heavily tinted bulletproof/shatterproof glass, with medical teams on standby, in dark rooms. They will be fed once a "day" (they will have no way of judging time) for several weeks, occasionally recieving vitamin supplements to compensate for lack of sunlight. Every 2 weeks they will be visited by a highly trained interrogation team (leftover from the Communist regime), and will be worked on with different forms of positive reinforcement, and a general thinking that you get more bees with honey then vinigar bla bla bla. We are not expecting any quick results, and the locations of these prisoners is being kept classified.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Except, no. I sent orders that all PCU equipment would be destroyed before it was abandoned. So those tanks would be just huge hunks of metal, with nothing to be really obtained from them.

Except they are Chinese Hat-1s, not yours, thank you.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:29 pm
Quoting henry wang
In Xining, numerous han groups have been slaughtered, and the current government is going to need to deal with the entire province.

The Alenian government is transferring the 17th Light Assault regiment to our eastern half to restore order. No rehabilitation of insurgents will be necessary.

(Xinjiang is a segment of the Alenian Confederation.)

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
My point is, I didn't even know this was going to happen. I know very well the geography of Qinghai, it's gonna be heII to secure again. Someone just had to go and start a jihad...
I did, but I told him I wanted no part of it.

/subtlety and the lack thereof, etc.

Quoting CherokeeKly .
The NRoF government denies any accusations of five FIA operatives in the Americas, but does not deny the six Army Colonels stationed in the Americas to advise & watch the conflict. They will not fire any weapons.

Where are they, exactly, anyway? Just wondering.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:30 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Except they are Chinese Hat-1s, not yours, thank you.

Oh.
>.>
<.<
Nevermind. I guess the Axis better start scouring the Earth for Ally equipment to compensate.


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| April 4, 2011, 5:32 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Oh.
>.>
<.<
Nevermind. I guess the Axis better start scouring the Earth for Ally equipment to compensate.


If you can find them, you're welcome to them. However, like you, I enacted scorched-earth orders. That and I haven't been routed like you have since I got tech worth stealing. In Canada, I was forced back, but it was in an organized manner. Anything worth stealing was destroyed.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:37 pm
Are you calling my equipment deficient? Nooo. More like each time we've been invaded it was when our forces have been elsewhere, and once the enemy gains a foothold it's impossible to take it away.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:40 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Alrighty then. Here's what I shall do to them.
Move them into complete solitary confinement, heavily monitered behind heavily tinted bulletproof/shatterproof glass, with medical teams on standby, in dark rooms. They will be fed once a "day" (they will have no way of judging time) for several weeks, occasionally recieving vitamin supplements to compensate for lack of sunlight. Every 2 weeks they will be visited by a highly trained interrogation team (leftover from the Communist regime), and will be worked on with different forms of positive reinforcement, and a general thinking that you get more bees with honey then vinigar bla bla bla. We are not expecting any quick results, and the locations of these prisoners is being kept classified.

That will work in like a month, by then the war will be over. Also many of them will have committed suicide or were KIA so you have no authority to dictate what happens to them yet.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:42 pm
Could someone please approve my comment? Matt? Tom?
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| April 4, 2011, 5:42 pm
Quoting henry wang
That will work in like a month...

Maybe not...

Did you get my FM asking If you got my CR? If you didn't then can you link me to the right Henry?
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| April 4, 2011, 5:51 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Could someone please approve my comment? Matt? Tom?

Could you please check your FM.
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| April 4, 2011, 5:51 pm
Ok, so a little more about the SAM turret
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5587527295/in/photostream/

It is unmanned, remotely operated.
The units are worth 1,000,000 each.
It has a BVR range of 40km (that's right, Arketers and Blackfish are no longer safe in this world!)
They can be manually set up, or in emergencies, deployed ready-to-fire from C130s or similar aircraft.

As for "power", all you need to know is that it can take down most aircraft in one hit.
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| April 4, 2011, 6:08 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Maybe not...

Did you get my FM asking If you got my CR? If you didn't then can you link me to the right Henry?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49000846@N04/
My bad, I think I gave you my old Flickr, so I'll take your orders and put them in future reports.
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| April 4, 2011, 6:20 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Could you please check your FM.

Please excuse me, I've been quite busy. I need to mow the lawn and do some homework, then I'll get to you.
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| April 4, 2011, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, it seems only logical, I plastered you pretty good. You're disorganized and running out of supplies (per CR), so it makes sense that certain things were left behind.


My stuff gets blown up as well. I'm not having my hard work stolen by the likes of you. That, and I'm not retreating, I gained ground if I read it right.


Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, so a little more about the SAM turret
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5587527295/in/photostream/

It is unmanned, remotely operated.
The units are worth 1,000,000 each.
It has a BVR range of 40km (that's right, Arketers and Blackfish are no longer safe in this world!)
They can be manually set up, or in emergencies, deployed ready-to-fire from C130s or similar aircraft.

As for "power", all you need to know is that it can take down most aircraft in one hit.


Detect us if you can.
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| April 4, 2011, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Are you calling my equipment deficient? Nooo. More like each time we've been invaded it was when our forces have been elsewhere, and once the enemy gains a foothold it's impossible to take it away.

Not at all, except according to Matt, I routed you good around Las Vegas, if you read the report.
Also, I pretty much took out your entire attack in Canada just prior to China taking over there. IIRC, it turned a good 15% of Canada into a military vacuum that I just had to stroll into.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

My stuff gets blown up as well. I'm not having my hard work stolen by the likes of you. That, and I'm not retreating, I gained ground if I read it right.

Your advance=2 miles
WC/Cuban advance=1.5 miles.
Half mile, wow, you're really cooking it! Recall all those nice special forces? The ones that are responsible for the relative 'shell' of a threat that you now pose thanks to your nonexistent logistics? That's where I got them. They've been moved out of the immediate area for now, somewhere in Canada.

All I have to do is push you now, and you will crumble. Do not put any faith in your 'breach' of "The Slot," it is being maintained from classified locations at present and will keep you in the situation you are currently not enjoying.

That way, if you do end up attacking the locations, it will be clear that Ham slipped them to you and we can punish him for that...
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| April 4, 2011, 6:33 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Please excuse me, I've been quite busy. I need to mow the lawn and do some homework, then I'll get to you.

Take your time.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:08 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Your advance=2 miles
WC/Cuban advance=1.5 miles.
Half mile, wow, you're really cooking it! Recall all those nice special forces? The ones that are responsible for the relative 'shell' of a threat that you now pose thanks to your nonexistent logistics? That's where I got them. They've been moved out of the immediate area for now, somewhere in Canada.


Thanks for the information, I know what do to now.

And half a mile forward is better than half a mile backwards.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Thanks for the information, I know what do to now.

And half a mile forward is better than half a mile backwards.

I told you nothing that wasn't included in the CR, if you'd read it closer.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:11 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I told you nothing that wasn't included in the CR, if you'd read it closer.


I misread special forces as special fortresses, for a second there, I thought you had castles going around the battlefield. I looked again, and removed that statement.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:14 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I misread special forces as special fortresses, for a second there, I thought you had castles going around the battlefield. I looked again, and removed that statement.

I haz special fortresses!!!

Gotcha.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:17 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I haz special fortresses!!!

Gotcha.


By the way, I saw no mention of tank stealing in any CR.

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| April 4, 2011, 7:20 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

By the way, I saw no mention of tank stealing in any CR.

No, that part was not in there. I just felt like gloating, since it did seem likely. They netted a good number of tanks, you see.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:26 pm
Today in the RAS...

The four Holland-Class destroyers have left thier stations and are traveling north. Nothing else is happening. Military excersizes continue as normal.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:27 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
No, that part was not in there. I just felt like gloating, since it did seem likely. They netted a good number of tanks, you see.


Netted is a lot different from theft. The thugs around here may net a lot of tire slashing, but they haven't stolen a car from my block since 2003. Because destruction is easier than theft. Imagine trying to sneak a HAT-1 past our lines and back to yours without being seen...
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| April 4, 2011, 7:28 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Netted is a lot different from theft. The thugs around here may net a lot of tire slashing, but they haven't stolen a car from my block since 2003. Because destruction is easier than theft. Imagine trying to sneak a HAT-1 past our lines and back to yours without being seen...

I do believe I stipulated that they were "In various conditions" did I not? They could be half there and I'd still gain invaluable info.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:30 pm
The natives of Senegal had a Military Parade to celebrate Independence Day with some of our sold equipment (LT-4s with Senegalese flags painted on the armor), to raise morale and support for the PCU. It was a huge success.

....

When do we start sending in our orders?
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| April 4, 2011, 7:33 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I do believe I stipulated that they were "In various conditions" did I not? They could be half there and I'd still gain invaluable info.


Still, unless you get a few trucks or another HAT-1, it's going to be hard to move across the lines, through such terrain as southwestern BC has. Believe me, there's a lot of hills, streams, and other such obstacles there, getting even a working tank through that would be hard. It's a good premise for a movie though.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:33 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
The FIA- Unknown

So what you're saying is, they ARE involved, but you just won't say where?
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| April 4, 2011, 7:37 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
So what you're saying is, they ARE involved, but you just won't say where?

Wait, what? There are Frenchmen in my territory? Why was I not told this?
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| April 4, 2011, 7:44 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
When do we start sending in our orders?

Not for a while, you guys need to tone down on the action, I have to mod for 5 fronts. For now I have given up on the Eastern Front, I will need another mod to do that. I think that for now Luke should permanently take over for that front as I just have no time for it. But tonight I will hopefully get the Mexican front out. And tomorrow I should have enough time to finish this whole action. CRs will hopefully be due tomorrow night.
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| April 4, 2011, 7:58 pm
The failure of this democracy format: It takes forever to get out all the CRs. Henry has tons of things to do, I'm totally free...
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| April 4, 2011, 8:04 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
The failure of this democracy format: It takes forever to get out all the CRs. Henry has tons of things to do, I'm totally free...

But sadly emocrcy is slow, and the other alternative is biased. I just think that both of us should just handle the western front while you alone can handle the eastern if you have so much free time.

Also need you to approve Mexico.
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| April 4, 2011, 8:08 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Real Jihad = Muslim word for "crusade." That is, a loosely-holy war against the government and military of a specific nation.

So essentially you declared a crusade. The problem is, your people don't give an expletive what happens over here, because they're busy with what's happening over there. How are they planning on getting all the way over here?!? Plus, the muslims in America don't care what the Pharoah of Egypt says. Most muslims probably wouldn't fight for your cause anyway.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Ok, so a little more about the SAM turret
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5587527295/in/photostream/

It is unmanned, remotely operated.
The units are worth 1,000,000 each.
It has a BVR range of 40km (that's right, Arketers and Blackfish are no longer safe in this world!)
They can be manually set up, or in emergencies, deployed ready-to-fire from C130s or similar aircraft.

As for "power", all you need to know is that it can take down most aircraft in one hit.


Tom already clarified that the Blackfish is un-trackable and cannot be shot down by a BVR missile. Your missiles can shoot that far, sure, but they can't hit. It's hard to shoot a target you can't see, especially when the target is already shooting at you. BVR missiles are only useable on non-stealth aircraft.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Ultramarine

Except, no. I sent orders that all PCU equipment would be destroyed before it was abandoned. So those tanks would be just huge hunks of metal, with nothing to be really obtained from them.

Do you realize how hard it is to sabotage your own equipment, especially when it's so massive, while under fire? Unless you install explosives in your tanks before heading to combat, that's rather ridiculous.


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| April 4, 2011, 8:11 pm
Quoting henry wang
Not for a while, you guys need to tone down on the action, I have to mod for 5 fronts. For now I have given up on the Eastern Front, I will need another mod to do that. I think that for now Luke should permanently take over for that front as I just have no time for it. But tonight I will hopefully get the Mexican front out. And tomorrow I should have enough time to finish this whole action. CRs will hopefully be due tomorrow night.

As far as I know, I can do the eastern front, It was fun.
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| April 4, 2011, 8:13 pm
Quoting luke peterson

Well John and Will, you guys decide whether you want ham alone to do it or if you want luke because I have no time for that conflict.
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| April 4, 2011, 8:25 pm
Quoting luke peterson

Well John and Will, you guys decide whether you want ham alone to do it or if you want luke because I have no time for that conflict.
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| April 4, 2011, 8:25 pm
If I do CM, I promise to do a better job, I was finally beginning to understand it when I finished the last one, so I think I can do really well.
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| April 4, 2011, 8:32 pm
Quoting luke peterson
If I do CM, I promise to do a better job, I was finally beginning to understand it when I finished the last one, so I think I can do really well.

John and Will will decide ho will get the job.
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| April 4, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Still, unless you get a few trucks or another HAT-1, it's going to be hard to move across the lines, through such terrain as southwestern BC has. Believe me, there's a lot of hills, streams, and other such obstacles there, getting even a working tank through that would be hard. It's a good premise for a movie though.

Wait, you're not in Southwestern BC are you? I was under the impression you were in Oregon and California. It's practically impossible to move an HAT-1 around in B.C. The roads aren't wide enough to support them and the terrain is too rugged. Airplanes and infantry is where it's at in the coastal rainforest.
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| April 4, 2011, 9:05 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
You were told that FIA operatives were rumored to be in country, but no one knows.

They are in Shangri La. ;) Taking one out of FDR's book.

Also, for all you "new country going to war haters", this ain't going to war. It is sending eleven troops, five denied by NRoF.

As something to think about:
5 Operatives:
1 Hacker
2 Covert Ops
1 Sniper
1 Engineer

They're having a blast.

How did they get in? I don't have international air traffic, and I would have known if they came in when you picked up your bombers...
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| April 4, 2011, 9:09 pm
CR for Mexico to be postponed until we figure out how Brikkr has gotten away with saying he has 3,000 MBTs that's development has been cancelled for 25 years.
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| April 4, 2011, 9:13 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Wait, you're not in Southwestern BC are you? I was under the impression you were in Oregon and California. It's practically impossible to move an HAT-1 around in B.C. The roads aren't wide enough to support them and the terrain is too rugged. Airplanes and infantry is where it's at in the coastal rainforest.


I'm all across the Northwest right now. That's why I put most of my planes and stuff up there too, it's of more use.
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| April 4, 2011, 9:16 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm all across the Northwest right now. That's why I put most of my planes and stuff up there too, it's of more use.

Ummm... I'm confused now. Totally confused.

So last CR, those were your MAF-2s I shot down over B.C.???

I just presicion-bombed YOUR military facilities and aircraft in Vancouver and Prince Rupert?!?

I was under the impression that my aircraft met minimal resistance in the air. I totally expect that to change now, but if you'd put so many planes there before, where were they and how did I not end up in numerous dogfights?
Perhaps my early raid just grounded everything. Or maybe they were all already departed for their oversea operation.

For clarification, does the PCU operate MAF-2s? I've seen the MAF-3 model on Nick's photostream, but all the CRs report MAF-2s. Do you and Nick both operate MAF-2s?
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| April 4, 2011, 9:30 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
CR for Mexico to be postponed until we figure out how Brikkr has gotten away with saying he has 3,000 MBTs that's development has been cancelled for 25 years.

I messed up. I meant either 3,000 men or I meant 800 tanks TOTAL not each. Whoops.

I also got the Tanks through modernizing the program using the same blueprints but new mechanics.
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| April 4, 2011, 9:35 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I messed up. I meant either 3,000 men or I meant 800 tanks TOTAL not each. Whoops.

I also got the Tanks through modernizing the program using the same blueprints but new mechanics.


Meaning 3,000 total in your armed forces. I'd complain about how unrealistic this is, but I'm tired.
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| April 4, 2011, 9:39 pm
Quoting henry wang
Well John and Will, you guys decide whether you want ham alone to do it or if you want luke because I have no time for that conflict.

Whichever Will wants, I'm not TOO picky. ;)
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| April 4, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'm all across the Northwest right now. That's why I put most of my planes and stuff up there too, it's of more use.

I thought you wanted your aircraft near the front. You diverted all your assets to the front, and made no mention to patrol near Alaska so I didn't have you engaging Alaskan air assets.
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| April 4, 2011, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Meaning 3,000 total in your armed forces. I'd complain about how unrealistic this is, but I'm tired.

I'm thinking the 3,000 was men + tanks. Like an armored regiment would have.
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| April 4, 2011, 9:53 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I thought you wanted your aircraft near the front. You diverted all your assets to the front, and made no mention to patrol near Alaska so I didn't have you engaging Alaskan air assets.


Quoting Jack Ford
Ummm... I'm confused now. Totally confused.


I don't even know what's going on. I just have more MAF-2s up north than down south. Nick operates them too. So you killed someone's MAF-2s, maybe they were mine, maybe they weren't.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm thinking the 3,000 was men + tanks. Like an armored regiment would have.


Statistics say he has 3,000 plus tanks in Army and Marines. The numbers for the CR weren't what I was talking about.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:05 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Statistics say he has 3,000 plus tanks in Army and Marines. The numbers for the CR weren't what I was talking about.

Fixed. I forgot to fix those from the original complaining.
>.>

Start the CMing Nao!
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| April 4, 2011, 10:13 pm
Someone please unmod the combat report
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| April 4, 2011, 10:39 pm
Part 4
Mexico

The AU was attacked successfully across three fronts in Mexico today, amounting in losses on both sides, but the beginning of the end for AU held Mexico. The day kicked off with Brazilian CAS neutralizing AA positions and dug in tanks. There were 7 aircraft shot down, but 68 avengers destroyed and multiple AA gaps created. The AU had very few air assets in the area, and so few air to air engagements occurred. Then a costly frontal attack was conducted by Brazilian troops resulting in the pushing back of AU tanks, but an overall loss of around 180 tanks and 1,000 men on the Brazilian side. This slowed them down a lot, and Brazilian only are 20 miles from Mexico City and some advanced units are already engaging the AU garrison at Puebla.

The WC also coordinated an attack against Mexico, advancing nearly 3 miles into the country, but losing 35 tanks to 100 AU Abrams. But these AU tanks were easily destroyed by WC tanks and CAS. The AU again did not make their air presence shown in the area.

Cuban forces attempted a costly landing operation of Cancun. The invasion started off successfully with almost immediate air superiority, except for the loss of 7 ineffective F-42s to 5 AU aircraft. The landings themselves were at first bombarded from artillery, but these guns were soon silenced. The initial Cuban death toll was in the 500’s. Then the Cuban advance was successful and on schedule except for in Merida, where heavy fighting has taken place. A garrison of AU soldiers has fought off repeated attacks against the city. So far one AU tank platoon which is now destroyed initially was able to stop multiple attempts by old Cuban armor to take the city. So far, the city is currently under siege, with numerous Cuban attempts to take the city failing. This one city is the last remaining AU strongpoint in the area, but they will soon run out of supplies. Currently Cuban casualties are in 800 range with 50 T-55s destroyed. Au casualties are around 250 with 10 Abrams destroyed. Currently due to the age of the T-55s and their terrible living conditions for the crew, around 75 have already broken down. The population around the area are also not pleased with the Cuban invasion as many civilian casualties have been taken because of the numerous air strikes. All in all the objective was quite successful, although if the Cubans do not try to pacify the people, then they will most likely not be supportive of the government change.

In Baja, as Egyptian troops tried to retreat, they were hit with numerous airstrikes, currently there were at least 500 reported killed along with 75 vehicles. The WC then quickly advanced, taking around 3 miles very quickly, but then they began to come into contact with the coordinated fire of PCU tanks and infantry. The advance was halted, and further attempts to advance were futile. The WC has gained around 3 miles, yet their lightening advance was halted, but not without casualties. CAS and artillery just rained fire on the PCU positions, and the PCU lost around 25 tanks and 500 soldiers, while the WC lost around 3 CAS aircraft, 38 tanks, and 700 soldiers.

In Mazaltan, Brazilian forces overran the besieged and undersupplied Egyptian forces in the city. Many futile attempts by inferior F-43s were stopped with minimal losses, and eventually the Egyptians were just overrun, yet this was not before killing numerous Brazilians. Egyptian forces lost 700 men, 45 vehicles, and 30 aircraft. While Brazil lost 1,000 men, 70 vehicles, and 10 aircraft.

Over the period of the battles, halfway across the world, 4 Brazilian missiles were fired at Chinese Satellites, they tried to maneuver away, but 2 satellites were destroyed, and the other two do not have any fuel left due to the cost of evasive maneuvers.

Finally an attempt by the AU to attack Texas was easily thwarted, as one unsupported AC-130 neared WC airspace, it was easily shot down by a pair of F-29’s doing routine patrols.

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| April 4, 2011, 10:39 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Quoting Jack Ford
Ummm... I'm confused now. Totally confused.


I don't even know what's going on. I just have more MAF-2s up north than down south. Nick operates them too. So you killed someone's MAF-2s, maybe they were mine, maybe they weren't.

Alright, as long as little stars get painted on the side of the canopy, it's all good.

Although I think I did you some considerable damage with my bombing raid.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:42 pm
Note to CM: I pulled all PCU forces out of Mexico over a week and a half ago. They aren't even there anymore. Thank you.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Note to CM: I pulled all PCU forces out of Mexico over a week and a half ago. They aren't even there anymore. Thank you.


Confirmed.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Over the period of the battles, halfway across the world, 4 Brazilian missiles were fired at Chinese Satellites, they tried to maneuver away, but 2 satellites were destroyed, and the other two do not have any fuel left due to the cost of evasive maneuvers.


Oh, Brazil, I was content to leave you alone until this.

/eyes glow yellow

"I WILL DIRECT THIS PERSONALLY."
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| April 4, 2011, 10:46 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Note to CM: I pulled all PCU forces out of Mexico over a week and a half ago. They aren't even there anymore. Thank you.

If no one tells me I don't know it, but where did the Egyptians retreat to? Ok if that's true all the action occurred on the PCU Baja border. And many Egyptian troops were caught retreating resulting in 500 more casualties.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:47 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oh, Brazil, I was content to leave you alone until this.

/eyes glow yellow

"I WILL DIRECT THIS PERSONALLY."

Consider it payback for all the bombing runs you've done on us Allies.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:53 pm
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Well, well, Egypt. Looks like your 'ally' is content to leave you to die in the deserts, eh? The Germans did the same thing to the Italians.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Oh, Brazil, I was content to leave you alone until this.
/eyes glow yellow
"I WILL DIRECT THIS PERSONALLY."

Looks like you don't have many more sky eyes, do you?

Quoting Kaiser Cliffe

*Ring, ring*
Me: "Hello?"
"Oh? One moment please." *Takes phone away from ear* "Hey, Cliffe, it's Egypt calling. They want their army back."
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| April 4, 2011, 10:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Looks like you don't have many more sky eyes, do you?


I didn't know all of China had 4 satellites.
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| April 4, 2011, 10:59 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Looks like you don't have many more sky eyes, do you?


We have the technology, we can rebuild it.

Quoting Brikkr ™
Consider it payback for all the bombing runs you've done on us Allies.


Yeah, all 4 ordered by me:
-Stopping my HAT-1s from falling into Ultra's hands.
-Destroying Ultra's Midway stuff.
-Destroying Ultra's Wake stuff.
-Attacking Ultra's fleet.

Nice even number. Nonetheless, I heard these missiles weren't your own design. I think I have some investigating to do.



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| April 4, 2011, 11:00 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

We have the technology, we can rebuild it.

Yeah, all 4 ordered by me:
-Stopping my HAT-1s from falling into Ultra's hands.
-Destroying Ultra's Midway stuff.
-Destroying Ultra's Wake stuff.
-Attacking Ultra's fleet.

Nice even number. Nonetheless, I heard these missiles weren't your own design. I think I have some investigating to do.

And they'll get shot out of the sky again and leave you with space junk and a waste of a few Mill- Billion.
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| April 4, 2011, 11:05 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
-Destroying Ultra's Wake stuff.

That actually didn't exist. The only time I ever landed/operated aircraft off Wake was during the Indonesian war. It was just an emergency landing facility. I'd planned to build it, but the material went elsewhere...

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I didn't know all of China had 4 satellites.

I don't know either, do you? Of course, according to Arty, we're supposed to take into consideration the lack of maintenance and orbital decay into account.
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| April 4, 2011, 11:06 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
That actually didn't exist. The only time I ever landed/operated aircraft off Wake was during the Indonesian war. It was just an emergency landing facility. I'd planned to build it, but the material went elsewhere...


Lulz, so either you lie about everything or you're covering up the fact you don't really have any Pacific bases left, aside from your recent Hawaii invasion.

Quoting Brikkr ™
And they'll get shot out of the sky again and leave you with space junk and a waste of a few Mill- Billion.


Hmm... Better cut the source off!

In China today:
-Teams have been sent out to scour for pieces of these missiles, using calculated trajectories of falling debris.
-Production of stuff continues on.
-Qinghai province invaded, Muslims who do not return to their homes and lay down arms will find a most cold welcome from my troops.
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| April 4, 2011, 11:07 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hmm... Better cut the source off!

In China today:
-Teams have been sent out to scour for pieces of these missiles, using calculated trajectories of falling debris.

That ain't gonna happen. I've got hundreds of these "missiles"

It's probably hard to make any sense of charred debris after it enters the atmosphere, so good luck.

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| April 4, 2011, 11:14 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
That ain't gonna happen. I've got hundreds of these "missiles"

It's probably hard to make any sense of charred debris after it enters the atmosphere, so good luck.


You never know what survives. As for "missiles"... Now what could that mean? Awe's going to go deeper.

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| April 4, 2011, 11:15 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Lulz, so either you lie about everything or you're covering up the fact you don't really have any Pacific bases left, aside from your recent Hawaii invasion.

No, they are indeed very real. However, I threw up quite a bit of smoke about Wake (which was vacant), and it backfired when I realized that I hadn't made its vacancy as clear as I intended to Matt.

Though it should have been plain since I gave no stats for it like I did the others.
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| April 4, 2011, 11:18 pm
If everyone's going to whine about the Axis having this and that and not having the money to back it up, I only need to bring up how Brazil can field nearly 400 advanced airplanes as well as hundreds of missiles.
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| April 5, 2011, 12:24 am
new fighter WIP:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5590823719/

Deals confirmed:
100 new "Avenger" SAM turrets delivered to the WC, $100,000,000 recieved in return.

copy of the Avenger" SAM turret Blue-prints sent to the PCU, $700,000,000 recieved in return.
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| April 5, 2011, 1:16 am
@Danny

I thought I asked for some.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:43 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
If everyone's going to whine about the Axis having this and that and not having the money to back it up, I only need to bring up how Brazil can field nearly 400 advanced airplanes as well as hundreds of missiles.

I'm phasing the F-35 out, and these "missiles" are actually not missiles, but very common 800 lb. bombs.
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| April 5, 2011, 7:01 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
I'm phasing the F-35 out, and these "missiles" are actually not missiles, but very common 800 lb. bombs.

I hope you're ready for some very heavy casualties once Nick decides to drag out some flak vehicles to deal with your dive bombing.

Quoting Danny Morgan
Deals confirmed:
100 new "Avenger" SAM turrets delivered to the WC, $100,000,000 recieved in return.

copy of the Avenger" SAM turret Blue-prints sent to the PCU, $700,000,000 recieved in return.

Being declared personae non grata by both sides, priceless.
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| April 5, 2011, 7:19 am
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
That is true. Let's say they came in then.

In the future you will tell me where they are and ask permission first. I do not like my sovereignty intruded upon by anyone.

And the idea of me needing 'Advisers' is rather insulting.
Quoting Areetsa C
I hope you're ready for some very heavy casualties once Nick decides to drag out some flak vehicles to deal with your dive bombing.

Dive bombing? That is about 100 years old at this point. It's outmoded on the lowest levels. I don't think that's what he was talking about.
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| April 5, 2011, 11:50 am
Alaskan airforce and army divisions have been deployed to secure Hawaii, along side WC and Brazilian forces. Oahu and Ni'ihau have been officially added to the Republic of Alaska. Construction teams are being flown on to repair damaged roads, and supplies are also being flown in to be distrubuted among the Hawaiians who have lost their homes, work places and family members.

Potentially troublesome civilians still royal to the PCU (if there are any) on Ni'ihau and Oahu are allowed to leave the country at their expense, but to avoid enemy spies invading, nobody will be permitted to enter the country unless approved by the Alaskan military.

Massive celebrations are in place all across Hawaii, with residents cheering that the bombing has finaly stopped and peace has more or less been restored. PCU flags are being burned in the streets throughout Hawaii, and graffiti is being painted all over PCU government buildings, or what's left of them. Many civilians don't care who's nation they belong to anymore, provided the bombs aren't falling on them.
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| April 5, 2011, 5:14 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Potentially troublesome civilians still royal to the PCU (if there are any) on Ni'ihau and Oahu are allowed to leave the country at their expense, but to avoid enemy spies invading, nobody will be permitted to enter the country unless approved by the Alaskan military.

They were invaded by the PCU, I doubt they are all that loyal to them.

That's why I thought Oklahomans being 'loyal' to the PCU was a bunch of hogwash. Their military and their families were abducted wholesale by the PCU and likely held hostage should they step out of line.

The PCU also uses Mexican troopers in places; like that would happen. The Mexicans would probably just say "We want to go home" and surrender the first chance. I was told, at the time, that the Mexicans weren't fighting in Mexico, that they were fighting somewhere else. I imagine they are not happy that the PCU just abandoned their families, and persisted in defending their homes & cities until they were rubble.
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| April 5, 2011, 5:25 pm
Reports from Brazil:

Allied commanders on Hawaii have confirmed that the island is fully secure, and that strangely of all, Brazilian marines were found on the islands. In an interview about the invasion yesterday, the commanding officer of the Marines says that once he heard that Allied landings were commencing all over the Hawaiian Islands, he gave his troops the order to board landing craft and avenge out original failed invasion attempt on Oahu. He also commented that after heavy fighting up the main streets of Honolulu, the Brazilian Flag was raised over the Governer's building all Reichstag style.

This morning, the raising of the flag was re-staged for the cameras and a speech was given by the President in Brasilia.
The formal surrender of the Hawaiian Islands to Allied Forces commenced this afternoon with all high ranking officers and the troops that made the landings from all Allied Armed Forces. (Confirmed with Ultra and Jack) After a military parade from each nation and flyovers from each of the Allied Air Forces, with the Blackfish of the Alaskans getting the most applause.
Once that was over, a more somber duty was fortaken, the burying of Allied and PCU soldiers that died in the invasion with a fully military funeral.

Hawaii is under the process of being split up between each nation, but rebuilding hasn't been hindered by the political stuff.

I can say the above because in the CR Henry said that "Hawaii is now in Allied hands" or something like that.
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| April 5, 2011, 5:35 pm
The PCU just wishes that Alaska had surrendered Sarah Palin, as asked.

The PCU also wishes to inform the citizens of Hawaii that hastily threw away their rightful owners, will have their tax dollars used against them. They are also warned that when the rightful Father rolls back into town, they won't like it.

The PCU wishes to finally inform the Western Confederation that Mexican troops are used because they don't want an evil nation from the East to take away their homes. You did that, not me. Oklahoma was also a territory of me, I won't let you brainwash them like you did Idaho. And why did I take the money from Las Vegas? Because it's mine. Want me to keep it there for you instead? How about no.
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| April 5, 2011, 5:37 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™

I can say the above because in the CR Henry said that "Hawaii is now in Allied hands" or something like that.

Not so fast, Slick. It seems like you invaded Hawaii in just an hour. That stuff takes time. All this stuff you guys are doing now would happen in two weeks or so.
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| April 5, 2011, 5:45 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU wishes to finally inform the Western Confederation that Mexican troops are used because they don't want an evil nation from the East to take away their homes. You did that, not me. Oklahoma was also a territory of me, I won't let you brainwash them like you did Idaho. And why did I take the money from Las Vegas? Because it's mine. Want me to keep it there for you instead? How about no.

What is this madness? You INVADED OK, pure and simple. I don't have to brainwash them, they hate you anyway. Besides, they're Will's problem now.

Mexicans were 'given' to you as a gift by the ACU. They probably felt like the Czechs did when Britain & France bartered away there land to someone else. Strike 1. Then, you attack someone that they have no quarrel with. Strike 2. Then, you take them out of their homes to fight an enemy they don't know and replace them with Egyptians who resist until their homes are ashes. Strike 3.

I don't care what you do with the money of Las Vegas, except that it shows your citizens that you are willing to rip them off and say goodbye as you run past them. I'm just saying that it won't last near as long as you think it will.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Not so fast, Slick. It seems like you invaded Hawaii in just an hour. That stuff takes time. All this stuff you guys are doing now would happen in two weeks or so.

Not according to the CR, you lost it due to the complete vacuum of the PCUAF. Which you can thank me for...
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| April 5, 2011, 5:47 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
What is this madness? You INVADED OK, pure and simple. I don't have to brainwash them, they hate you anyway. Besides, they're Will's problem now.

Mexicans were 'given' to you as a gift by the ACU. They probably felt like the Czechs did when Britain & France bartered away there land to someone else. Strike 1. Then, you attack someone that they have no quarrel with. Strike 2. Then, you take them out of their homes to fight an enemy they don't know and replace them with Egyptians who resist until their homes are ashes. Strike 3.

I don't care what you do with the money of Las Vegas, except that it shows your citizens that you are willing to rip them off and say goodbye as you run past them. I'm just saying that it won't last near as long as you think it will.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Not so fast, Slick. It seems like you invaded Hawaii in just an hour. That stuff takes time. All this stuff you guys are doing now would happen in two weeks or so.

Not according to the CR, you lost it due to the complete vacuum of the PCUAF. Which you can thank me for...

I didn't lose but more than 10 craft over Hawaii, first thing. I pulled out, more problems elsewhere.

Also, I suppose all the territories you and Will and Brazil have conquered don't mind joining up either. Yea, I didn't think so. Don't be quick to play that card. Oklahoma was fine to have me, because I did that same thing you did. I said so.

And I believe they would much rather have me use the money to protect them than drop it in a hole.
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| April 5, 2011, 5:53 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .


By the way, I feel you need to know that Morocco and Algeria aren't exactly buddies after the Algerian invasion. Their army is still sore after being routed by the combined Moroccan/Spanish forces.

First Cape Verde update in forever:
-With some hard work all around, Cape Verde's economy is now vastly improving. With few natural resources, and poor farming conditions for the most part, it's been decided to focus on Algaculture, or producing algae for biofuel. Thousands of jobs were created in all steps of production, and this project was funded by Spanish Biofuel companies and government grants. The first products are to ship soon.

-The Cape Verde military has been remade under the guidance of Spanish and Portugese soldiers. Their several month-long training has been concluded, making them as good as any regular in the Armed Forces. Several have also been noted for their skill, and are receiving extra training to be in the elite Spanish Legion. CV has been given a regiment of Leo140E's, a squadron of Typhoons, and several old surface ships.

-The last troops in Morocco are being pulled out now as the situation has finally been stabilized.
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| April 5, 2011, 5:53 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I didn't lose but more than 10 craft over Hawaii, first thing. I pulled out, more problems elsewhere.

The number was more like 20, though with your flagrant disregard for what the CM says, I'm not surprised you claim fewer.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, I suppose all the territories you and Will and Brazil have conquered don't mind joining up either. Yea, I didn't think so. Don't be quick to play that card. Oklahoma was fine to have me, because I did that same thing you did. I said so.

Aye, but I didn't take their men from their homes and replace them with mine, did I? They are still in their country, with the exception of some expeditionary forces in Mexico.

Quoting Nick Shelton
And I believe they would much rather have me use the money to protect them than drop it in a hole.

Yeah, sure. That's why morale is through the floor, right?

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| April 5, 2011, 6:01 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Not so fast, Slick. It seems like you invaded Hawaii in just an hour. That stuff takes time. All this stuff you guys are doing now would happen in two weeks or so.

I shall explain:
Ok, I accidentally sent my CR to Henry's old Flickr. By the time I got it straightened out the Pacific CR was already up, and Henry said in the CR that Hawaii was in allied hands. Since he did not say anything to the effect of who invaded then or things such as that, I created the thing in which you are criticizing, After action reports from the troops on Hawaii in the CR yesterday.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:04 pm
Quoting Thomas N
You can't. In case you've forgotten when we told you before, the whole of Europe is staying out of this conflict.

Well he can if he wants to.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:06 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Clearly he thinks he can just shoot 800 lb bombs up into space and take out any satellites he wants.

It's Brikkr. That's pretty in-character for him.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:07 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Thomas N
Clearly he thinks he can just shoot 800 lb bombs up into space and take out any satellites he wants.

It's Brikkr. That's pretty in-character for him.

If he's shooting 800 lb. bombs into space, I believe Awe deserves some satellites. >.>
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| April 5, 2011, 6:15 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Quoting Thomas N

His shoot down of the chinese satellites are legit, he used missiles. The nature of these missiles, I am not at liberty to discus.

Front Lines will be done by tonight, get orders in by 12
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| April 5, 2011, 6:17 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
If he's shooting 800 lb. bombs into space, I believe Awe deserves some satellites. >.>

Awe gets my old Indo Union satellite which I made, which has short range Interceptor missiles for shooting down incoming missiles for defense.

As soon as I can find where I stored those pictures, he can have em for all I care, seeing as he owns Indonesia now.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:19 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
If he's shooting 800 lb. bombs into space, I believe Awe deserves some satellites. >.>

Ok, I'm getting tired of this. You complain about me complaining about the outcome of a CR, yet your side blatantly lies to the CM.

1. You didn't have mustard weapons to launch. I did the research, you didn't.
2. Cliffe magically calls hundreds more war chariots from the sands of the Baja after more than 1,200 were destroyed in the ocean or on land after they got there. Somehow, he manages to launch hyperfalcons he doesn't have (again destroyed by yours truly) against Brazil.
3. I was honest to the CMs about my losses around Midway, I doubt (based on history and this conversation) that you were, which might very well have contributed to my defeat at my own determent.
4. You have, at multiple occasions, said that what the CM has said didn't happen. That is wrong in the highest degree.

What I see is, magic is very prevalent on your side, and you can't count past 1st grade level.

I might be very vocal about what I consider a bad call, but I don't call the CM a liar, and I don't lie to him.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Awe gets my old Indo Union satellite which I made, which has short range Interceptor missiles for shooting down incoming missiles for defense.

As soon as I can find where I stored those pictures, he can have em for all I care, seeing as he owns Indonesia now.

That's another instance where we all sit back and scratch our heads wondering where Indonesia got that kind of money to launch & maintain a facility big enough to maintain that kind of hardware.

Not only that, but armed satellites are against the rules.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That's another instance where we all sit back and scratch our heads wondering where Indonesia got that kind of money to launch & maintain a facility big enough to maintain that kind of hardware.

Not only that, but armed satellites are against the rules.

It has been approved by Even Melick and Matt Hacker, as long as the satellite is not armed in a way it could attack the ground.

Oh and I never actually launched the Satellite, that's up to Awe to do, if he wants it.

And didn't you know? Apparently Indonesia has the 18th biggest economy in the world, so I'm sure it could afford to launch a satellite if it wanted.

I shouldn't have left Indo Union for Uzbek. It s-cks being Uzbekistan.

:-/
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| April 5, 2011, 6:37 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
It has been approved by Even Melick and Matt Hacker, as long as the satellite is not armed in a way it could attack the ground.

Oh and I never actually launched the Satellite, that's up to Awe to do, if he wants it.


Of course I'd launch it. I do what I please, no one can stop me unless they actually are willing to do something about it.

@Satellites: I don't care what he shot, what matters, is that it happened. And now, I am displeased.
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| April 5, 2011, 6:57 pm
In the EC:
As the state capitol building in Montgomery, Alabama sits in ruins and the Mississippi is poisoned, a few radars are being checked and a few generals are getting a good long talk. We find it despicable that hundreds of air force pilots and techies allowed enemy paratroops to fly all the way across the country and over the Mississippi, while aircraft as old as F-16's were allowed deep into Alabama. Clearly our defenses were not as aware as I would have hoped, still stuff goes on.

The few Muslims actually going on a jihad are being shot or shipped to Egypt on oil tankers in cargo containers. Muslims that respect their government that gives them the right to worship freely are being praised and are living their normal lives.
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| April 5, 2011, 7:01 pm
Quoting luke peterson
@Danny

I thought I asked for some.

Oh, you did?
How many do you want then? Or are you after the blueprints?
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| April 5, 2011, 7:19 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Oh, you did?
How many do you want then? Or are you after the blueprints?

I asked for 100 of them.
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| April 5, 2011, 7:37 pm
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After WC counter-intelligence discovered disturbing parallels between the attacks on us in February and the attacks yesterday, Alenia has been strictly warned that any further intervention in the war will result in the destruction of no fewer than 4 of the next largest cities after Astana. We will tolerate your interference no longer.

Quoting Danny Morgan
And didn't you know? Apparently Indonesia has the 18th biggest economy in the world, so I'm sure it could afford to launch a satellite if it wanted.

Actually, and I don't know why, but you never controlled all of Indonesia in the first place. So you controlled only about 75% of the 18th largest economy in the world. There is a difference, you know.
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| April 5, 2011, 8:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Actually, and I don't know why, but you never controlled all of Indonesia in the first place. So you controlled only about 75% of the 18th largest economy in the world. There is a difference, you know.

lol, still, I was about to re-unite Sumatra and those other islands that were left soon.
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| April 5, 2011, 8:16 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
lol, still, I was about to re-unite Sumatra and those other islands that were left soon.

So you never did fully control the 18th largest economy. So do we know for sure you could have afforded 2 of them?
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| April 5, 2011, 8:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
So you never did fully control the 18th largest economy. So do we know for sure you could have afforded 2 of them?

Um, Satellites aren't THAT expensive anyway, it's launching them that is, and even 80% of the 18th largest Economy is a lot.
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| April 5, 2011, 8:22 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU just wishes that Alaska had surrendered Sarah Palin, as asked.

The PCU also wishes to inform the citizens of Hawaii that hastily threw away their rightful owners, will have their tax dollars used against them. They are also warned that when the rightful Father rolls back into town, they won't like it.


I'm guessing for you immorality squad, right? Pass.

If you seriously spend your money attempting to re-take Hawaii, you're a lot less intelligent than I gave you credit for. You'll have to base your invasion from the mainland now, and your aircraft would likely be intercepted long before they reached Hawaii. All you can do now is carpet bomb civvies. Your chances of taking Hawaii back are pretty much none, and even if you did, that would give me time to take as far down as Washington and Oregon. Hawaii has no military use to you anymore.
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| April 5, 2011, 8:25 pm
Training for the [Classified] has completed. The top brass of the ACU military is anxious to see how it/they perform.
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| April 5, 2011, 8:57 pm
The WC made some major gains in Nevada and Canada recently. This can be attributed to the lack of any PCU troops in the area. The WC Commander in British Columbia was ordered to "Swing north of the Washington mountains." by Denver, which puzzled him greatly, seeing as north of Washington is yet more mountains. Having been told to avoid the mountains, his force stopped several miles outside of Hope, BC. PCU defenses are hard to make out by the WC, but they know they are at least entrenched.

In Nevada, WC forces are now approaching the Sierra Nevada Mountains
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| April 5, 2011, 8:57 pm
I would also like to add that casualties are light on both sides with around 100 PCU killed and 200 WC killed.

Again orders are due TONIGHT, like before allies to me, whanry1996 and axis to ham.
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| April 5, 2011, 9:10 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
EvAn.

Anywho. We've explicitly banned any satellites that attack ground targets directly, whether through missiles, lasers, rail-guns, or EMP blasts targeted at anything on the surface.

Armed satellites in the form of kinetic kill units (robot kamikazi satellites basically) designed to intercept and destroy ASAT warheads on the other hand, are fine.

Yup.

One thing though, would satellites perchance be allowed to intercept ICBMs flying from continent to continent?
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| April 5, 2011, 9:40 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Yup.

One thing though, would satellites perchance be allowed to intercept ICBMs flying from continent to continent?

It's been tried, and it's far cheaper to intercept them from ground based weapon platforms.
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| April 5, 2011, 9:43 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
It's been tried, and it's far cheaper to intercept them from ground based weapon platforms.

Ok, but it is allowed then?
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| April 5, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Armed satellites in the form of kinetic kill units (robot kamikazi satellites basically) designed to intercept and destroy ASAT warheads on the other hand, are fine.

What of using ASAT weapons on manned craft?

Also, what happened to the ISS, anyway?

Quoting Ultramarine .
After WC counter-intelligence discovered disturbing parallels between the attacks on us in February and the attacks yesterday, Alenia has been strictly warned that any further intervention in the war will result in the destruction of no fewer than 4 of the next largest cities after Astana. We will tolerate your interference no longer.

Point one: holy wars cannot be controlled once they start, and the instigators are always easily tracked. Same goes for riots.

Point two: if I was involved, these guys would be going after much more vulnerable targets than cities. Now, if I were going to assist Nick in this conflict, the first sign you'd have had would have been the lights going out as a series of well-timed explosions gutted some of your nuclear power plants. I like to cause my disruption in the subtlest way possible; less chance of getting caught that way. Starting a bloody JIHAD is NOT subtle in any way, and is highly unlikely to accomplish anything useful.

Point three: Astana is actually in fairly good condition, no thanks to you. Considering the popularity of capital cities as first-strike targets, we've been spending the last while putting it back together as a city that's partly a mass of bunker complexes and partly a mass of small fortresses. You'd need a lot more than a fuel-air bomb to cause damage on a similar scale again.

Needless to say, we've also added sturdy bomb-shelters to the building codes, as well.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
This force, dubbed the Anti-Radical Expeditionary Force, or AREF, will travel to China, PCU, and AU and Spain to combat the Wahabi scum. If allowed, we will also send units to the UNS, Britain, Russia, the Byzantine Federation, and anyone else who will accept our expert aid.

Just chop 'em up for spare parts, it's what I do.
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| April 5, 2011, 10:03 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
What of using ASAT weapons on manned craft?

Also, what happened to the ISS, anyway?


Given the shattered US (which provides quite a lot of the financial backing to it) we assume the ISS was deorbited sometime between 2020 (earliest date according to the Obama administration) and 2028 (absolute latest that the station would be safe and sustainable). Simply put, its not there.
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| April 5, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting henry wang

Again orders are due TONIGHT, like before allies to me, whanry1996 and axis to ham.

Did you recieve mine from the other day?
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| April 5, 2011, 10:18 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
Yup.

One thing though, would satellites perchance be allowed to intercept ICBMs flying from continent to continent?

Luke may be the CM.
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| April 5, 2011, 10:41 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
Did you recieve mine from the other day?

Yup
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| April 5, 2011, 10:42 pm
In Cancun, the CDC Red Cross is landing to provide heavy humanitarian aid. They will be distributing emergency food, water, blankets, and medical supplies to the populations, along with large ammounts of donations collected for Mexican children (toys, candy, etc.). Cuban medical personell will be treating any and all wounded people in Cancun, regardless of combative status (civilians will recieve treatment first however). Local police, fire, and EMT units will receive support from CDC infantry to continue keeping the city safe, and begin rebuilding efforts. The current governing body of the city will maintain in place, and the mayor has already agreed to cooperate with CDC forces. CDC infantry will also conduct search and rescue missions in the vicinity, to help locate and treat injured civilians. Also, all CDC military personell have orders to treat Cancun residents as they are CDC citizens, and the former MEXICAN garrison (anybody deemed nonhostile) has been allowed to conduct unarmed patrols of the city to assist the police and EMT units. Pamphlets are also being distributed emphasizing the supportive role the CDC is taking to protect our fellow Latino populations from impearialistic Americans. These pamphlets will also diminish any myths about the CDC shooting prisoners, and begin explaining the economic and social benefits of cooperation with the CDC.
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| April 5, 2011, 11:07 pm
Hey guys, I just finished a Combat Report for my group, the 23rd Century Universe.

If you want, it's the last comment in this thread:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=15909&topicid=65657

You don't have to read it, just look at the last comment. Is that the biggest CR you've ever seen or what?

:P

Spent easily 15 hours writing and working out that thing...
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| April 5, 2011, 11:40 pm
On the Yucatan front, more humanitarian workers are being flown in via UNARMED helicopters to distribute water and medical supplies to Meridian civilians, and they are willing to assist in evacuation efforts in the city. The ACU is being offered a last chance to surrender, and leaflets have been distributed by humanitarian workers to give advice on how to avoid the oncoming wrath of the CDC military (such as how to indicate your civilian status, how to take cover, etc.). We are hoping there does not have to be any more conflict, and if the ACU does not decide to surrender, they should have the deceny to fully evacuate all civilians in the city.
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| April 6, 2011, 6:19 pm
The Production Rights and Plans for the new SAM system unveiled by the Uzbekistani Government has been tucked away in teh uber t0p secret continuity-of-government safe-spot. Which is a government secret. Meanwhile, some of the more hidden factories are beginning to crank them out and throw them at places we'd like to keep protected.


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| April 6, 2011, 6:32 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The Production Rights and Plans for the new SAM system unveiled by the Uzbekistani Government has been tucked away in teh uber t0p secret continuity-of-government safe-spot. Which is a government secret. Meanwhile, some of the more hidden factories are beginning to crank them out and throw them at places we'd like to keep protected.


It'll realistically be at LEAST a week before those missiles are combat-ready, probably two.
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| April 6, 2011, 7:08 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
It'll realistically be at LEAST a week before those missiles are combat-ready, probably two.

Well, this game isn't as realistic as you think it is. ONWARD!
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| April 6, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The Production Rights and Plans for the new SAM system unveiled by the Uzbekistani Government has been tucked away in teh uber t0p secret continuity-of-government safe-spot. Which is a government secret. Meanwhile, some of the more hidden factories are beginning to crank them out and throw them at places we'd like to keep protected.

There is absolutely no way you could go from blueprints to producing operational models in A DAY. You'd have to retool (or produce brand new) equipment, open up new assembly lines, and do many other things. What about the missiles? You didn't have compatible ones before, you need to tool your equipment to manufacture those as well. Then you hit snags along the way. What if your equipment is in FPS while the plans are in SI?

I admit, I've announced plans and production in the past, but that's because we can't exactly pinpoint when production began. Here, we have a unique situation in the fact that we can pinpoint exactly when you received the plans, so your claims are highly unrealistic.

I'm just saying that one Cliffe in this group is enough.
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| April 6, 2011, 7:21 pm
Quoting Ultramarine I'm just saying one Cliffe is enough.

Notice I didn't say they were combat-operational today. They won't be for a while. And those missiles are painfully simple, all we do is put in our guidance system, backed on its range. Should take only a couple days, based on this group's timeline.

And try to keep the name-calling to a minimum, that's the safe haven of a bad argument.
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| April 6, 2011, 7:28 pm
I thought my SAM blueprints would come with the plans for the actually SAMs... I mean isn't that the whole point of SAMs?
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| April 6, 2011, 8:43 pm
Quoting -> avalella
The ACU is being offered a last chance to surrender...

NUTS
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| April 6, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting John Dawn
NUTS

Death before dishonor.
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| April 6, 2011, 10:23 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I would say the plans would come with the associating missile blue prints also. However, like they said, industrial capacity takes time to upgrade, retool, and expand. In reality, months. In this game, just give it a few days, really.

However, looking at the MOC (although I admit it is a pretty cool design), people seem to forget that real SAM's are telephone pole sized objects. I would say based on the size of Danny's MOC, you're looking at more of a short-medium ranged system, comparable to the Stinger per se, rather then a Patriot battery. Although, his launch platform could easily be modified with much larger missiles capable of longer range I would say...

So if I just made each pod itself longer?
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| April 6, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
So if I just made each pod itself longer?


Just look at the sizes of real life medium range SAMS compared to a person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maintenance_check_on_a_Patriot_missile.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/HongQi9antiair.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Akash_SAM.jpg

your SAMs would indeed fit inside a very short range role, and would need to be buffed considerably in size to hit targets at cruising altitude from some distance (which is the role you seem to want it to take).
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| April 6, 2011, 10:35 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Can you give me a link to it quick?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46590237@N08/5587527295/in/photostream/
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| April 6, 2011, 10:38 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And try to keep the name-calling to a minimum, that's the safe haven of a bad argument.

Then you're the champ of it. What was your nickname for me again?

However, my arguments were in perfect line with reality.

Quoting Matt Hacker

Just look at the sizes of real life medium range SAMS compared to a person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maintenance_check_on_a_Patriot_missile.jpg

The look on that guys face is priceless!
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| April 6, 2011, 10:56 pm
Quoting Thomas N
feeling testicular today John? >.>

maybe.....
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| April 6, 2011, 11:02 pm
The Government of South Sudan sent a message to the government of the Pacific Union today, but there is no telling what it says.

In the PCU, a number of high-ranking officials have "gone missing" as of late. A rumor has spread that they have simply moved to a new area, but the PCU turned to them and said "BE SRS."
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| April 7, 2011, 6:47 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The Government of South Sudan sent a message to the government of the Pacific Union today, but there is no telling what it says.

For the last time, your civilians are safe at home in your territory. Don't make me go through the long list of absolute impossibilities that you would have to surmount to make evacuations happen again...

Quoting Nick Shelton
In the PCU, a number of high-ranking officials have "gone missing" as of late. A rumor has spread that they have simply moved to a new area, but the PCU turned to them and said "BE SRS."

Unless they've defected, they're dead.
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| April 7, 2011, 7:08 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Unless they've defected, they're dead & comment about my citizens.

Don't make me reveal the long list of possibilities other than my civvies hiding out in other countries.

And about dem officers, they surely aren't dead. It's more likely that they'd be perfecting my next country from the inside so I can start out strong, even though I won't lose.
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| April 7, 2011, 7:15 pm
And so the endless arguing continues...
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| April 7, 2011, 7:35 pm
Ham I need you at your post, where are you!

Sorry guys Ham is MIA so I can't get reports out.
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| April 7, 2011, 8:08 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And about dem officers, they surely aren't dead. It's more likely that they'd be perfecting my next country from the inside so I can start out strong, even though I won't lose.


India? Its certainly someplace in Asia near Awe.
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| April 7, 2011, 8:34 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And about dem officers, they surely aren't dead. It's more likely that they'd be perfecting my next country from the inside so I can start out strong, even though I won't lose.

'Dem officers' are dead if they tried by ship or by plane to get someplace else, period. I will reveal exactly how it was all accomplished after the war, which you will loose (just ask Evan, he knows too). You think you're getting away with something, the admins will see exactly how little you are. Actually, Matt already knows it's not possible, since he was CM.

I'm not making stuff up. And you saying I am is pointless since 5 people already know I'm not. Whatever, you'll see when you try to spawn someplace else and your little party is crashed.
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| April 7, 2011, 8:59 pm
Quoting henry wang
Ham I need you at your post, where are you!

Sorry guys Ham is MIA so I can't get reports out.

Sorry, fighting my way out of a trap at the Yalu riv-I mean, had to do a night labe for science.

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| April 7, 2011, 9:28 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
'Dem officers' are dead if they tried by ship or by plane to get someplace else, period. I will reveal exactly how it was all accomplished after the war, which you will loose (just ask Evan, he knows too). You think you're getting away with something, the admins will see exactly how little you are. Actually, Matt already knows it's not possible, since he was CM.

I'm not making stuff up. And you saying I am is pointless since 5 people already know I'm not. Whatever, you'll see when you try to spawn someplace else and your little party is crashed.

There were plenty of times when the PCU could have shuttled out officials, especially during the famed Battle of the Pacific where we basically eliminated your mobile air protection.

Just because there is a guard, doesn't mean there won't be a prison break.
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| April 7, 2011, 9:33 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
There were plenty of times when the PCU could have shuttled out officials, especially during the famed Battle of the Pacific where we basically eliminated your mobile air protection.

Only in one place, however. I didn't recall seeing anything like that in the CR...

Besides, the allies controlled/still control the entire area (don't forget that your fleet was dealt a serious blow too, almost ship-for-ship. That was a Pyrrhic Victory, that was). While my aircraft might have been inconvenienced, you still would have met with about a dozen or two Blackfish & Su-51s from Brazil & Alaska...

Quoting Nick Shelton
Just because there is a guard, doesn't mean there won't be a prison break.

That's an awful lot of ocean to go over that you don't control and we do. Scenes of the German escape from Africa getting blasted to kingdom come leaps into the mind.
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| April 7, 2011, 9:41 pm
Just saying, you can't control an entire ocean from land. If you had a Navy to project force into it, maybe, but you don't have that force.

And there is also still crouching tigers.
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| April 7, 2011, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Just saying, you can't control an entire ocean from land. If you had a Navy to project force into it, maybe, but you don't have that force.

Hello, they're called ISLANDS. Each one is as good as a carrier. Better, actually, islands don't sink and you can pile a lot more hardware on them. Not to mention the fact that you can operate C-5s off of some of them.

Well, you won Midway and lost the Pacific, it turns out. Looks like it really was a strategic victory like I said...
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| April 7, 2011, 9:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton
Just saying, you can't control an entire ocean from land. If you had a Navy to project force into it, maybe, but you don't have that force.

Hello, they're called ISLANDS. Each one is as good as a carrier. Better, actually, islands don't sink and you can pile a lot more hardware on them. Not to mention the fact that you can operate C-5s off of some of them.

Well, you won Midway and lost the Pacific, it turns out. Looks like it really was a strategic victory like I said...

I haven't won Midway yet, I just eliminated the Fleet protecting it. Phase One, as some might say.

And 60% losses isn't ship-for-ship. We can still project that force around what we need to get taken, and use it accordingly. Two more Nimitz carriers, by the way.

Eh, you haven't got anywhere to operate right now. Midway is as good as ours, Wake could be taken by a Destroyer, and Hawaii has no operable airways, as I've heard. You have to operate from land, and that's always good for me.
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| April 7, 2011, 9:55 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Eh, you haven't got anywhere to operate right now. Midway is as good as ours, Wake could be taken by a Destroyer, and Hawaii has no operable airways, as I've heard. You have to operate from land, and that's always good for me.

Well, I'll let the CMs decide that.
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| April 7, 2011, 10:04 pm
@ Nick
you lost around 6 carriers, you don't have any more carriers sadly. I'm making a CM decision, since you already lost the 4 Nitmitz-Class Carriers in your region and the last one is pretty beat up you cannot claim to have additional ones. Nor will you be capable of conducting major operations from your last carrier as it is damaged.
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| April 7, 2011, 10:20 pm
Quoting henry wang
@ Nick
you lost around 6 carriers, you don't have any more carriers sadly. I'm making a CM decision, since you already lost the 4 Nitmitz-Class Carriers in your region and the last one is pretty beat up you cannot claim to have additional ones. Nor will you be capable of conducting major operations from your last carrier as it is damaged.


It's called homebuilt carriers. Derp.

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| April 7, 2011, 10:27 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

It's called homebuilt carriers. Derp.

He lost some of those too, all I'm saying is that if I see PCU orders that have more than one Nimitz-Class Carrier the order will not be completed as it is fabricated. Also Nick, send ham a message telling him exactly how many carriers you have at the moment.

BTW
Who has control of Midway?
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| April 7, 2011, 10:33 pm
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The UNC has announced that it is starting an international nuclear cleanup fund for the numerous nuclear powered vessels (subs and carriers) that have been destroyed in this war. The environmental impact may be negligible now since they are so far under, but we do not wish for future citizens to be dealing with contaminated seawater. Of course, this will be after the war, and depends on funding from other nations as well, preferably, some of the combatants as well. Of course, everyone can just ignore this and say "screw the environment" too.

Quoting Thomas N
And 5 Nimitx losses is hardly believable anyway, aircraft carriers (particularly the Nimitz) are supposed to be the most highly-protected things on the battlefield, not the expendable assets CMs are making them out to be.


Aaah yes, but as Toland said "they have to be; they are the most sought after targets." If you spam enough aircraft and missiles at only one ship, it is safe to say it will go down or at least be hit. That is pretty much Ultra's strategy; deplete all of his naval aviation and navies to go after them.
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| April 7, 2011, 10:38 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Oh ok well for the record many of the carriers were not sunk of my watch. And with those numbers doesn't that mean he had 10 carriers to start out with?

Also I would like to mention that it is my belief that carriers are vulnerable in many ways and they can be destroyed with enough aircraft and munitions. Carriers will only take at most four hits to sink (if the right munitions are used maybe even less). But even one hit will make the carrier inoperable, and will force it to retreat.
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| April 7, 2011, 10:42 pm
Quoting henry wang
@ Nick
you lost around 6 carriers, you don't have any more carriers sadly. I'm making a CM decision, since you already lost the 4 Nitmitz-Class Carriers in your region and the last one is pretty beat up you cannot claim to have additional ones. Nor will you be capable of conducting major operations from your last carrier as it is damaged.

I know I lost the Abraham, because I gave it to Ultra.

I know I lost the Reagan, it was sunk in the Gulf of Mexico.

I sent the Nimitz and the Stennis out to battle in the CR, and lost the Vinson.

However, the Vinson never left port. That Carrier, combined with the HGS Alexander Hamilton and the HGS Pacifica and the slightly damaged Nimitz would make four operational carriers.

There are other decommissioned Carriers and Baby Carriers like the Wasp and Tarawa that I could activate in a heartbeat, but I haven't yet.

By my count, I have two Nimitz, and two other carriers.
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| April 7, 2011, 10:50 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Nimitz is still in the Pacific with a damaged catapult at least a week or two of repair. I also thought you lost three because of the crashing attacks and then you lost a few in combat with Brazil.
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| April 7, 2011, 10:57 pm
Quoting henry wang
Nimitz is still in the Pacific with a damaged catapult at least a week or two of repair. I also thought you lost three because of the crashing attacks and then you lost a few in combat with Brazil.


You must be thinking of the WC carrier without a catapult.
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| April 7, 2011, 10:59 pm
Quoting henry wang
Nimitz is still in the Pacific with a damaged catapult at least a week or two of repair. I also thought you lost three because of the crashing attacks and then you lost a few in combat with Brazil.

Because spare parts are nonexistent. And as far as I know, only the John Hood was ever in combat with Brazil, and it was destroyed as it tried to build a force to attack Midway.

But believe me, nobody knows the count better than I do. 4 carriers, 2 Nimitz.
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| April 7, 2011, 11:00 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

You must be thinking of the WC carrier without a catapult.

We agreed on the surviving carriers both not having catapults.
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| April 7, 2011, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Ultra only lost 4 carriers that were already so old that they shouldn't even be left operation.

Old only in body, my boy. They were modern in everything else from engines to radars to defenses. That's why it took so long to get them operational.

Actually, one was practically brand new from Spain.

Quoting Nick Shelton
HGS Pacifica and the slightly damaged Nimitz would make four operational carriers.

The HGS Pacifica was lost in the Gulf of California. If it wasn't the Pacifica, it was the other carrier that you claimed to have in the area. That takes you down to three.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Wake could be taken by a Destroyer

BTW, as I said before, Wake was vacant officially at the time of the attack. Though I won't take back the casualties I caused you...
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| April 7, 2011, 11:09 pm
The John Hood was the only carrier I ever had in the GoC, so your comment is invalid, Ultra. The Pacifica lives.
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| April 7, 2011, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The John Hood was the only carrier I ever had in the GoC, so your comment is invalid, Ultra. The Pacifica lives.

So you're still in the habit of telling the CM to take a hike. Where was it then? Can you prove that? It seemed to me that you said your "admiral" was evacuated to another: "He has been given command of the HGS Alexander Hamilton, a ship of the same class that has been hiding out under our protective naval sphere." Seemed to me (and the CM) that you implicitly identified it as being in the same theater. Otherwise, how on earth did your admiral ever make it home alive without flying through our airspace or waters?

I suppose then that it was the Alexander Hamilton that we destroyed by the suicide F-89s then. It took no fewer that 6 hits by them, you know.
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| April 7, 2011, 11:38 pm
Quoting Thomas N
It actually surprises me haw the PCU has lost 5 Nimitz and 1 John Hood, while Ultra only lost 4 carriers that were already so old that they shouldn't even be left operation.

And 5 Nimitx losses is hardly believable anyway, aircraft carriers (particularly the Nimitz) are supposed to be the most highly-protected things on the battlefield, not the expendable assets CMs are making them out to be.


I launched a massive anti-carrier mission and I believe I succeeding in sinking at least one, maybe more. I don't know what damage was done my be and what was by Ultra, but I was out ta get those carriers. It wasn't an even fight by any means.

Quoting henry wang
Who has control of Midway?
Technically Ultra, but it's in pretty rough shape.




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| April 8, 2011, 12:27 am
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/Reads circular bickering
/No CR anywhere in it
/FFFUUUUU

In China today:
-More stuff built.
-More Qinghai rebels executed for high treason. Civil rights? Only for civil people.
-Indonesian military forces on alert for anything, due to recent intelligence reports.
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| April 8, 2011, 1:59 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
I think Ham and Henry will get killed soon if they don't produce a CR.

Then who'll do it?
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| April 8, 2011, 6:46 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
So you're still in the habit of telling the CM to take a hike. Where was it then? Can you prove that? It seemed to me that you said your "admiral" was evacuated to another: "He has been given command of the HGS Alexander Hamilton, a ship of the same class that has been hiding out under our protective naval sphere." Seemed to me (and the CM) that you implicitly identified it as being in the same theater. Otherwise, how on earth did your admiral ever make it home alive without flying through our airspace or waters?

I suppose then that it was the Alexander Hamilton that we destroyed by the suicide F-89s then. It took no fewer that 6 hits by them, you know.

The Admiral in charge of Reagan was killed.
The Admiral in charge of Hood was rescued, and put upon Alexander Hamilton.
The Admiral in charge of Pacifica has hidden his Carrier in a "secret spot" of sorts.
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| April 8, 2011, 8:49 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The Admiral in charge of Reagan was killed.
The Admiral in charge of Hood was rescued, and put upon Alexander Hamilton.

Said Admiral was tailed to the Alexander Hamilton and was sunk the next day, according to the CM. Apparently, our intelligence mistook it for the Pacifica. Either way, that's another carrier down for you.
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| April 8, 2011, 11:32 am
Quoting Thomas N
feeling testicular today John? >.>
He's talking about the message from General MacAuliffe of 101st Airborne to the German commander during the Battle of the Bulge.

Anyway-
Nothing much goin' on Down Under like usual. The fighting has ceased in Seychelles, and our fleet is being repaired due to damages done during the Seychelles Campaign. But much of the fleet will remain in the naval base being established on the island along with some of the first Angolan battleships. Angolan naval personnel or infantry will stay and occupy the island.
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| April 8, 2011, 3:47 pm
Now before, I thought it was completely fair that the Hood was sunk. It was retribution for the whole gassing thing. But now, I'm having my doubts on account of simple realism.

The Columbia class carriers are the largest aircraft carriers ever made. For sure.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/196569

They're as big as or larger than ocean-going oil tankers. They're so big and heavy that they have to have very large escorts just so they aren't crushed by the waves this thing produces.

I'm pretty sure it could take a hit from several cruise missiles and survive. I highly doubt a Blackfish, a rather small stealth aircraft, in all reality, packed with just explosives and fuel, would be as powerful as a single cruise missile let alone a few.

Just sayin'. I didn't doubt it at first, but all this carrier talk got me thinking.
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| April 8, 2011, 4:10 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Just sayin'. I didn't doubt it at first, but all this carrier talk got me thinking.


When orders are so vague like this
(fake example of what Nick says) "My fleet will be made of 1 carrier xyz escorts" the CM has no clue what class or anything, so for all the CM would know is that it would likely have been a Nimitz.

It doesn't help on the other side (Ultra) whose orders are similarly vague "strike the PCU carrier with xyz planes."

Simply put; I think its true for any CM, half the time we have no clue what is actually happening since we base attacks off of orders, and oftentimes the defenders will not have mentioned it. An unfortunate flaw, but one that really cant be fixed.

Also, I'm surprised that you of all people would be pulling out the "realism" card.
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| April 8, 2011, 4:24 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
But now, I'm having my doubts on account of simple realism.

Young Padawan, you have learned the ways of the realism. The force is strong with you.
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| April 8, 2011, 5:03 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Now before, I thought it was completely fair that the Hood was sunk. It was retribution for the whole gassing thing. But now, I'm having my doubts on account of simple realism.

I'm pretty sure the Hood bit the dust before the gassing. I sunk the sub that fired the missiles in retribution, the carrier was just a ship with the PCU flag on it, that's all I cared about it.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Columbia class carriers are the largest aircraft carriers ever made. For sure.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/196569

They're as big as or larger than ocean-going oil tankers. They're so big and heavy that they have to have very large escorts just so they aren't crushed by the waves this thing produces.

That would be so impossibly large, it wouldn't be maintainable. If this is the Pacifica, then it wasn't sunk apparently. I was the other carrier that was.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I'm pretty sure it could take a hit from several cruise missiles and survive. I highly doubt a Blackfish, a rather small stealth aircraft, in all reality, packed with just explosives and fuel, would be as powerful as a single cruise missile let alone a few.

For the last time, the cruise missile can't track moving targets! A ship travelling at Mach 4 would cut the vessel in half. Once you get an explosion INSIDE a vessel, it magnifies its power by several factors of ten. That's why bunker busters are so potent, they punch through and then explode (with a smaller charge than some AT warheads pack).

Quoting Matt Hacker
Also, I'm surprised that you of all people would be pulling out the "realism" card.

As I've said before, I'm really puzzled that people say Britain and Australia can't operate more than five carriers, yet the PCU gets away with 10? I don't understand the double standard. I was maxed out at operating 4, and the supporting fleet.

It's amazing the inconsistancies that apply everywhere except the PCU.
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| April 8, 2011, 5:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Said Admiral was tailed to the Alexander Hamilton and was sunk the next day, according to the CM. Apparently, our intelligence mistook it for the Pacifica. Either way, that's another carrier down for you.

How about, what the CM goes, not what a whiny female dog says?


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| April 8, 2011, 5:26 pm
Quoting -> avalella
In a modern economy, it would take about a 30,000,000 strong population to support a single carriery, very rougly. I don't think a nationwide civil war would be very beneficial to each nation-state's economy, but for realism's sake how about we all agree that can get a new carrier for every 30,000,000 citizens, or 2 for 50,000,000. That's pretty simple, right?

That's a pretty bad rule as I can only have 2 carriers, you with no economy could have one, and China could have 30.
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| April 8, 2011, 5:36 pm
The Eastern Confederation has taken a radical measure today, it was voted (By a slim majority) that Egypt is not actually governed by a legitimate body, and that it is in a state of anarchy. It was also decided by high ranking psychiatrists and other doctors that their de facto leader shows symptoms of alternate personality disorder and is possibly insane. A poll taken by the public also shows that they consider him, on a scale of Jefferson Davis to Joseph Stalin, to be more of a Muammar Gaddafi type.

Also in the EC, the homobomb is wearing off, and we are trying to replicate it in super secret labs that are not underground in the Appalachians.

The jihad, at least hear, has mostly simmered down, with most terrorists killing themselves already, and a few armed groups that have been surrounded.
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| April 8, 2011, 5:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

I am not going against the Combat Moderator, I am only telling you that it is generally accepted that the Pacifica and Hamilton have not been in combat in this war.
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| April 8, 2011, 5:50 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I am not going against the Combat Moderator, I am only telling you that it is generally accepted that the Pacifica and Hamilton have not been in combat in this war.

Yes you are. The CM says the Pacifica/Hamilton was sunk, you say it wasn't. Therefore, you are going against what the CM says.
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| April 8, 2011, 6:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yes you are. The CM says the Pacifica/Hamilton was sunk, you say it wasn't. Therefore, you are going against what the CM says.

Find it, I want proof.
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| April 8, 2011, 6:07 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Find it, I want proof.

You prove it wasn't sunk. It's your word against the Combat Mod's. You lose.

1. I could have easily tailed the admiral's craft/plane to the new carrier.
2. How on earth did he make it out in another ship from WC/Brazil controlled waters alive?
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| April 8, 2011, 6:12 pm
All right, I guess I forgot about the speed element, but don't anti-ship missiles (that's what I meant by cruise missiles) also go that fast... in fact I think they go faster.


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| April 8, 2011, 6:16 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You prove it wasn't sunk. It's your word against the Combat Mod's. You lose.

1. I could have easily tailed the admiral's craft/plane to the new carrier.
2. How on earth did he make it out in another ship from WC/Brazil controlled waters alive?

I find it better that it's answered 2 first, then 1.

2. It was pulled from the Gulf of California at the same time that the troops were told to retreat. I sent it to the Pacific, along with it's surrounding group. You sank the Hood with a Blackfish, and the Admiral was plucked from the water by the surrounding group.

1. He was taken to Hamilton with the group.
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| April 8, 2011, 6:16 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting Will G.
A poll taken by the public also shows that they consider him, on a scale of Jefferson Davis to Joseph Stalin, to be more of a Muammar Gaddafi type.

Wow, a poll on a scale of bad to bad, and they chose bad. That's not surprising.

Well, other than this not being serious, Jefferson Davis seemed like the least ruthless dictator that I could think of.
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| April 8, 2011, 6:16 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
All right, I guess I forgot about the speed element, but don't anti-ship missiles (that's what I meant by cruise missiles) also go that fast... in fact I think they go faster.

Many anti-shipping missiles are sub-sonic, they are not very effective against ships. Only some ballistic anti-shipping missiles can go faster.
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| April 8, 2011, 6:31 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
All right, I guess I forgot about the speed element, but don't anti-ship missiles (that's what I meant by cruise missiles) also go that fast... in fact I think they go faster.

I don't think they would go much faster than Mach 1-2 tops. However, they are a mere fraction of the ~20 tons the Blackfish is. That gives it the impressive momentum of 11.4E7 (lbm)mi/hr.

Quoting Nick Shelton
I find it better that it's answered 2 first, then 1.

2. It was pulled from the Gulf of California at the same time that the troops were told to retreat. I sent it to the Pacific, along with it's surrounding group. You sank the Hood with a Blackfish, and the Admiral was plucked from the water by the surrounding group.

That is a trip that would take a day and a half. So what I'm hearing is that it WAS in range and could have been sunk. If it was within 1,200 miles of the Baja, it was in range.



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| April 8, 2011, 6:36 pm