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International Conversation Forum XVIII
War of Attrition? We haven't even wasted our actives, let alone our reserves! Better get cracking, I guess.
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| April 8, 2011, 11:55 pm
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Hey Americans, you should stop fighting each other. I'm sure there's bigger things to worry about than who's a threat to who... Because by the time there is a winner, none of you will be in a position to enjoy it. You'll be finished as a military power. I advise calling it quits while you can still get out ahead.

I, of course, will be defending my friend and ally to whatever end.
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| April 9, 2011, 12:22 am
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Where on earth is that CR.

Quoting Nick Shelton
War of Attrition? We haven't even wasted our actives, let alone our reserves! Better get cracking, I guess.

Whatever.
You: 100,000 (including reserves)
Me: 145,000 active, 40,000 reserve, 50,500 guardsmen.
Allies: 24,000 + whatever the EC has sent (in my territory).

I haven't dipped into my reserves either. Hmm. Better get crackin'!
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| April 9, 2011, 12:28 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Whatever.
You: 100,000 (including reserves)
Awe: ~148,000
Me: 145,000 active, 40,000 reserve, 50,500 guardsmen.
Allies: 24,000 + whatever the EC has sent (in my territory).

I haven't dipped into my reserves either. Hmm. Better get crackin'!


Fixed that for you.
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| April 9, 2011, 12:32 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Fixed that for you.

A point, though: you and Nick use different personal weapons, machineguns, and probably fuel mixes as well.
So your soldiers can't use his rifle ammo, your tankers can't feed their coaxials off of his ammo, and can't use his fuel, and vice versa as well.
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| April 9, 2011, 12:35 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Fixed that for you.

It is impossible that you put that many in in a single day. That's all you had before I closed the Pacific.

Quoting Areetsa C

Right?

It would be physically not possible for you (Awe) to fly 400 767s across the Pacific in that short of time. I'll have to discuss this with a few people...
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| April 9, 2011, 12:36 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
It is impossible that you put that many in in a single day. That's all you had before I closed the Pacific.

It would be physically not possible for you (Awe) to fly 400 767s across the Pacific in that short of time. I'll have to discuss this with a few people...



No you bonehead, I sent these guys weeks ago. They've been here the whole time... Don't you read the CRs?

Quoting Areetsa C
A point, though: you and Nick use different personal weapons, machineguns, and probably fuel mixes as well.
So your soldiers can't use his rifle ammo, your tankers can't feed their coaxials off of his ammo, and can't use his fuel, and vice versa as well.


Actually... We use mostly the same vehicles and same fuels, though smaller arms are indeed different. Just check out our army lists, we both have HAT-1s, and MAF-2s, and whatnot...
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| April 9, 2011, 12:42 am
Alright, so I have the plans for the CR written up but ham is MIA. So we'll have to just wait on his return. Also China, you only have ~50,000 soldiers in the region. Also I warn everyone if you don't tell me how your tactics will work and just say attack x then I'm assuming that you are human waving, and most likely you will take large casualties.
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| April 9, 2011, 10:46 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
No you bonehead, I sent these guys weeks ago. They've been here the whole time... Don't you read the CRs?

Yeah, I do. Which is why I conceived the entire plan in the first place. This goes all the way back to Tom/Arty tranistion.
Tom: "Commercial planes started unloading Chinese reinforcements in the PCU today."
*Next day*
To Areesta: "Patrols from XXX and Midway will turn all commercial flights from China and the PCU back to where they came from...This is to stop Chinese reinforcements from reaching the PCU."

Like I said, no way you got 400 planes across the Pacific in a single day.
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| April 9, 2011, 10:47 am
Just dropping in to say that Ham is lurking. >.>
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| April 9, 2011, 11:09 am
Quoting henry wang
Also China, you only have ~50,000 soldiers in the region.

Which is incorrect because he sent twice as many.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:12 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Which is incorrect because he sent twice as many.

What the CM says, goes. If he says 50k, it's 50k. So stop complaining.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:20 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
What the CM says, goes. If he says 50k, it's 50k. So stop complaining.

I laughed out loud, not because I'm telling the CM the number I thought China sent, but because you're trying to tell me to be quiet. Puppets shouldn't have tongues, you see.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:24 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
I laughed out loud, not because I'm telling the CM the number I thought China sent, but because you're trying to tell me to be quiet. Puppets shouldn't have tongues, you see.

Tell him whatever you want, and he can say what he wants.

Little punks like you should be in Juvie, you see.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:38 am
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BTW, I just thought of an operational name for my Pacific blockade. Operation Euroclydon.

Quoting Nick Shelton
I laughed out loud, not because I'm telling the CM the number I thought China sent, but because you're trying to tell me to be quiet. Puppets shouldn't have tongues, you see.

And name calling is the earmark of a losing argument...
>.>
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| April 9, 2011, 11:45 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
Little punks like you should be in Juvie, you see.

WOHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
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| April 9, 2011, 11:48 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
What the CM says, goes. If he says 50k, it's 50k. So stop complaining.


I'm going to remember this when Ultra complains again.

Also, please don't use phrases such as "vastly inferior" and "superior range" etc. in your plans, especially you Jack and Ultra. That just sets it up for complaining when your equipment doesn't perform like magic.
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| April 9, 2011, 12:54 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'm going to remember this when Ultra complains again.

Also, please don't use phrases such as "vastly inferior" and "superior range" etc. in your plans, especially you Jack and Ultra. That just sets it up for complaining when your equipment doesn't perform like magic.

Yes I agree, we will judge the mocs, we do not need your assistance.

Also Nick, how exactly do you get 100,000 troops to a country that is blocked off from the air and sea? Letting you have 50,000 troops is a gift, because it should take at least a month to get that many troops to a country.

Also your resources will matter while I am modding. Since the Axis has that many more troops it means that they will have that many more mouths to feed. Now I am willing to agree on you having an additional 100,000 troops, but you will be very short on supplies. Meaning that if you want a war of attrition your troops will starve to death very quickly. Finally your fuel is beginning to run a bit short.

Also don't start yelling at me if you lose valuable ships because you sent them into a hostile area without escorts.

On a last note a big bulky bomber is not outmaneuvering AA missiles.
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| April 9, 2011, 1:57 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'm going to remember this when Ultra complains again.

Also, please don't use phrases such as "vastly inferior" and "superior range" etc. in your plans, especially you Jack and Ultra. That just sets it up for complaining when your equipment doesn't perform like magic.

I only complain when CMs decide single-handedly that half of my naval forces aren't at a certain place when I say they are and cause me to lose battles. That's when I get sore...
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| April 9, 2011, 2:09 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Also China, you only have ~50,000 soldiers in the region.


FML.

You people don't listen, at all. I sent them on a fleet, which took many, many days to cross the ocean, back when Areetsa was CM. I told him that if they're being looked for, they'll be found. Then Areetsa stopped doing the CRs, and I told Matt of what was up. He said my troops arrived.

Quoting Ultramarine .

Yeah, I do. Which is why I conceived the entire plan in the first place. This goes all the way back to Tom/Arty tranistion.
Tom: "Commercial planes started unloading Chinese reinforcements in the PCU today."
*Next day*
To Areesta: "Patrols from XXX and Midway will turn all commercial flights from China and the PCU back to where they came from...This is to stop Chinese reinforcements from reaching the PCU."

Like I said, no way you got 400 planes across the Pacific in a single day.


Because I didn't... I thought I explained this before.

So unless you two want to start retconning things that happened over two weeks ago and were not objected to then, this is what happened. Deal with it, or keep whining until everything is exactly how you want it to be. Frankly, my children, I'm really past the point of caring.
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| April 9, 2011, 2:28 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

FML.

You people don't listen, at all. I sent them on a fleet, which took many, many days to cross the ocean, back when Areetsa was CM. I told him that if they're being looked for, they'll be found. Then Areetsa stopped doing the CRs, and I told Matt of what was up. He said my troops arrived.

Ok but again NO ONE TOLD ME ANYTHING! You people just assume that I know everything that is happening in the conflict, but what you guys don't tell me, I don't know. Also your troops are beginning to run out of supplies as 100,000 mouths to feed is a lot.
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| April 9, 2011, 2:32 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

FML.

You people don't listen, at all. I sent them on a fleet, which took many, many days to cross the ocean, back when Areetsa was CM. I told him that if they're being looked for, they'll be found. Then Areetsa stopped doing the CRs, and I told Matt of what was up. He said my troops arrived.

I specifically ordered anti-shipping missions at the same time. They should have been seen.
I guess we'll just stack that up with the other dropped orders then. Like the one that would have prevented the successful attack on Midway as well. Oui.

Complain about me complaining all you want, I've been short-ended by so many things this war that it isn't really funny anymore.
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| April 9, 2011, 2:45 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Ok but again NO ONE TOLD ME ANYTHING! You people just assume that I know everything that is happening in the conflict, but what you guys don't tell me, I don't know. Also your troops are beginning to run out of supplies as 100,000 mouths to feed is a lot.


I told Ham everything, I don't know what he did or didn't tell you.

As for starvation, well, there's a plan for that.
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| April 9, 2011, 3:08 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I specifically ordered anti-shipping missions at the same time. They should have been seen.
I guess we'll just stack that up with the other dropped orders then.

FYI US anti-shipping missiles are a joke, and a stinger can probobly knock one out of the sky.
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| April 9, 2011, 3:09 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I told Ham everything, I don't know what he did or didn't tell you.

As for starvation, well, there's a plan for that.

Well ham didn't say anything, anyways please tell ham to keep me informed about how you will supply your men as it is important.
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| April 9, 2011, 3:10 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Well ham didn't say anything, anyways please tell ham to keep me informed about how you will supply your men as it is important.


I'll tell him.

Oh, @Ultra: If you have problems with dropped orders, why don't you just send in an FM like you did back when I was the CM?
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| April 9, 2011, 3:14 pm
lolAllies.
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| April 9, 2011, 4:15 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Oh, @Ultra: If you have problems with dropped orders, why don't you just send in an FM like you did back when I was the CM?

I did. Twice.

His answer was:
"I haven't got to that yet. Being innately lazy I've been doing the smaller bits first to chop down a bit on the wall of text."

The second time I didn't get a response. I was at all times respectful, and not at all abusive in the messages as to warrant a cause for non-responsiveness.

And, it never materialized. Midway was attacked, and I was told "I'm sorry."

As for the other, I had no knowledge of your fleet (though with the breadth of my patrols, it would have been spotted undoubtedly) until you suddenly showed up with your own HAT-1s and more troops than a few airliners could carry showed up under Matt. You're lucky, they would have met with the same fate as the Egyptian fleet.


Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
As for starvation, well, there's a plan for that.

Cannibalism. Those Egyptians have one more important function they can serve the axis in, eh?
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| April 9, 2011, 4:42 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
...

Cannibalism. Those Egyptians have one more important function they can serve the axis in, eh?


I see. And for cannibalism of our most loose-cannon Axis member... ME GUSTA.
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| April 9, 2011, 5:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I see. And for cannibalism of our most loose-cannon Axis member... ME GUSTA.

<.<

Um, how about not. You're not getting your hands on any of us.

Although we could round up some Bedouins and Berbers for you... :P
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| April 9, 2011, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Lufthansa executives have realized that the long trans-pacific and trans-Asia journeys needed to fly humanitarian aid into the PCU is taking a toll on our fliers, so we are requesting permission to land in Taiwan to refuel planes and rest flight crews.


Permission granted. I doubt the Allies will like this.

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| April 9, 2011, 9:24 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Well I'm not going to start flying west and over the combat zone... The Pacific seems safer.

If that includes food, I'm sorry. You can't go through.

You'll likely be routed through Hawaii & your planes searched. Food items will be removed.

This is war.
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| April 9, 2011, 9:52 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
The Baltic Union is stopping all Humanitarian shipments to the allies until we are once again granted the same trust as we had before.

I said it once, and I'll say it again. All my aid goes to civilians. If you're going to flaunt that and search my planes, I see no reason to do further business with you.

Well, like anyone, I like it coming to me, but not so much to the other side...

Very well. I cannot guarantee the safety of your people once they land (since pretty much everything is a potential target), but in the air, they are considered friendlies.
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| April 9, 2011, 10:00 pm
I'd like to announce my resignation as CM. This next week is busy, as was the last 3 days. I'd like to enjoy myself, not waste all day with this.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:08 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I'd like to announce my resignation as CM. This next week is busy, as was the last 3 days. I'd like to enjoy myself, not waste all day with this.

I wish I can leave as well, once you guys find a replacement I will resign as well. But for now do you guys wish for me to continue? If you guys think that I am biased, just remember the only really controversial report was the Pacific and that was ham's.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:15 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I wish I can leave as well, once you guys find a replacement I will resign as well. But for now do you guys wish for me to continue? If you guys think that I am biased, just remember the only really controversial report was the Pacific and that was ham's.

And that was only because he wanted his tanks to get through. Which couldn't happen anyway...

I'm good with you for now!

I suppose we might go full circle and get back to Tom, if he's willing to take it again.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:20 pm
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Or we could just call the war off...

<.<

>.>


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| April 9, 2011, 11:23 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Or we could just call the war off...

<.<

>.>


That would mean some huge, huge sanctions on your pal.

Huge.

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| April 9, 2011, 11:28 pm
If you guys want to continue the conflict I'll continue to mod if you guys want. It's just I'm afraid you guys think that I am biased.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And that was only because he wanted his tanks to get through. Which couldn't happen anyway...

I'm good with you for now!

I suppose we might go full circle and get back to Tom, if he's willing to take it again.

He is. I've been in contact with him through Facebook, and he is now presumably offline and asleep. He will CM again, however, he wishes to initially fill in Ham's position to review Henry's material.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That would mean some huge, huge sanctions on your pal.

Huge.

Of course, they put the sanctions on the man who wanted to maintain peace, but not the one who runs around invading people at whim.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
He is. I've been in contact with him through Facebook, and he is now presumably offline and asleep. He will CM again, however, he wishes to initially fill in Ham's position to review Henry's material.

Well, we'll see how Henry does first, eh?

Quoting Nick Shelton
Of course, they put the sanctions on the man who wanted to maintain peace.

Yes, on the man who broke it. Poor way of illustrating it, I must say.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, we'll see how Henry does first, eh?

Quoting Nick Shelton
Of course, they put the sanctions on the man who wanted to maintain peace.

Yes, on the man who broke it. Poor way of illustrating it, I must say.

Nothing stopped you from breaking the cease-fire.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:50 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Nothing stopped you from breaking the cease-fire.

Nope, nothing at all.

Just like nothing would have stopped you either. Though you threw the first stone, so you cannot complain at all.

We've rehashed this too many times before. I'm just going to end it the hard way.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:56 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Nope, nothing at all.

Just like nothing would have stopped you either. Though you threw the first stone, so you cannot complain at all.

Though you acted extremely aggressive towards me before I attacked Midway, successfully at that. And when the cease-fire was called, I was perfectly content with simply re-arming myself and going about my business, satisfied that everyone in America was happy. But Ultramarine won't be satisfied until he owns all of the continent, something even his own comrades don't agree with. Just something to think about.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, we'll see how Henry does first, eh?

Any post made by Henry will be ignored, because he's not supposed to post without consent from either Ham, the admins, a new CM (Tom) or the unanimous decision of us all. Which obviously won't happen.
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| April 9, 2011, 11:58 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Any post made by Henry will be ignored, because he's not supposed to post without consent from either Ham, the admins, a new CM (Tom) or the unanimous decision of us all. Which obviously won't happen.

Then what's the point of having me? If I have no power other than to do the work why should I even bother? I think that I should be allowed to post as all of my stances and reports have been fair. If you guys don't think I'm fair fine, go to tom, but don't make me just write what you want me to write but are just too lazy to write it yourselves.
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| April 10, 2011, 12:03 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Though you acted extremely aggressive towards me before I attacked Midway, successfully at that. And when the cease-fire was called, I was perfectly content with simply re-arming myself and going about my business, satisfied that everyone in America was happy. But Ultramarine won't be satisfied until he owns all of the continent, something even his own comrades don't agree with. Just something to think about.

You lost ALL of your planes and only inflicted MINOR damage on a couple outlying light vessels. If you call that success, I'd hate to see your definition of a loss. By that standard, I was quite successful on my last action in the Pacific.

That's a lie, plain and simple, about owning all of the continent. As long as I'm not attacked, I'm remarkably lazy.

I was acting aggressive toward you? In what way? You mobilized multiple times against me because I was messing around Midway (which we agreed was mine, BTW) and in Europe; I did nothing but try to calm you down. You threatened black ops against me for plans that I would have willingly given/sold to you in friendship; I joked about it. We were engaged in oil drilling together, I considered us at the very least non-hostile. Yet it was YOU who fired the first shots, and YOU try to make it out to be MY fault? I tried to keep peace on the continent when Jake attacked your ships en route to Indonesia. At the time, you swore you wanted it too. Apparently not, eh?

The only thing I did was threaten to cut off the use of my airspace for your military aircraft as a heavy-handed means of buying the Baja Base (which is mine permanently now, thank you) and I paid good money for that. Go ahead, ask anyone if that was aggressive. I'd consider it a luxury to use anyone else's airspace uninhibited, and I have.

So, tell me again, what reason did you use to justify the attack on Midway?
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| April 10, 2011, 12:10 am
Quoting henry wang
Then what's the point of having me? If I have no power other than to do the work why should I even bother? I think that I should be allowed to post as all of my stances and reports have been fair. If you guys don't think I'm fair fine, go to tom, but don't make me just write what you want me to write but are just too lazy to write it yourselves.

You can write it, but Tom has to review it. >.>

That's it. Stop freaking out, we don't think you're THAT bad. You just might need some guidance, especially when it comes to Ultra's depleting numbers, I hear.
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| April 10, 2011, 12:14 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe ...especially when it comes to Ultra's depleting numbers, I hear.

My what?

Boy, it didn't take Ham long to spill the beans, did it? What other confidential plans did he tell you?
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| April 10, 2011, 12:16 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
You lost ALL of your planes and only inflicted MINOR damage on a couple outlying light vessels. If you call that success, I'd hate to see your definition of a loss. By that standard, I was quite successful on my last action in the Pacific.

That's a lie, plain and simple, about owning all of the continent. As long as I'm not attacked, I'm remarkably lazy.

I was acting aggressive toward you? In what way? You mobilized multiple times against me because I was messing around Midway (which we agreed was mine, BTW) and in Europe; I did nothing but try to calm you down. You threatened black ops against me for plans that I would have willingly given/sold to you in friendship; I joked about it. We were engaged in oil drilling together, I considered us at the very least non-hostile. Yet it was YOU who fired the first shots, and YOU try to make it out to be MY fault? I tried to keep peace on the continent when Jake attacked your ships en route to Indonesia. At the time, you swore you wanted it too. Apparently not, eh?

The only thing I did was threaten to cut off the use of my airspace for your military aircraft as a heavy-handed means of buying the Baja Base (which is mine permanently now, thank you) and I paid good money for that. Go ahead, ask anyone if that was aggressive. I'd consider it a luxury to use anyone else's airspace uninhibited, and I have.

So, tell me again, what reason did you use to justify the attack on Midway?

It was a victory in my book, because in the End, we won Midway.

Also, I NEVER threatened White Ops against you. I joked about it, saying that I'd have to do that to get some plans, but I already had the plans so it was just that, a joke.

Again, I attacked Midway because you were acting oppressive onto smaller states. You're being greedy. Also, I basically had to give you the tip of Baja, because you'd cut off trade, again you were being needlessly greedy, to my troops in Oklahoma. I got what I needed out of Oklahoma too, nothing of value for you to get there.


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| April 10, 2011, 12:16 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
My what?

Boy, it didn't take Ham long to spill the beans, did it? What other confidential plans did he tell you?

He didn't tell us anything, I heard from Tom that your numbers don't seem to add up. I noticed myself. I haven't heard from Ham since he disappeared.

Seriously, you'd be running out of fighters by now. I've been reading past ICFs looking at and recording your losses.
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| April 10, 2011, 12:21 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, I NEVER threatened White Ops against you. I joked about it, saying that I'd have to do that to get some plans, but I already had the plans so it was just that, a joke.

Oh, right. I'm not laughing.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Again, I attacked Midway because you were acting oppressive onto smaller states. You're being greedy. Also, I basically had to give you the tip of Baja, because you'd cut off trade, again you were being needlessly greedy, to my troops in Oklahoma.

Needlessly greedy? Funny. And you needed Oklahoma, Nevada, British Columbia, and Alberta because?

Quoting Nick Shelton
I got what I needed out of Oklahoma too, nothing of value for you to get there.

Except the raw materials, resources, and all the other good things that you can't lift into the air...



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| April 10, 2011, 12:22 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
especially when it comes to Ultra's depleting numbers, I hear.

Well I take everyone's numbers into account, and I think that everyone should be depleting not just Ultra. Except when people don't tell me how much stuff that they have to begin with so I have no idea what they had to start out with and whether or not that's feasable. And on that note only Ultra has done that so he's the only one I have been able to have an estimate on how many forces he loses. Everyone else never sent me those.
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| April 10, 2011, 12:22 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
He didn't tell us anything, I heard from Tom that your numbers don't seem to add up. I noticed myself. I haven't heard from Ham since he disappeared.

Seriously, you'd be running out of fighters by now. I've been reading past ICFs looking at and recording your losses.

I would not be talking if I were you, his numbers add up, yours do not one bit. I have even done some research on the matter, from what I hear you don't have that many F-43s to begin with and you certainly do not have the industrial capability to make the numbers that you have.

Also why haven't you mentioned anything about the PCU running out of fighters or resources which will happen soon if fighting does not stop.

Finally I would like to ask how exactly the PCU is building all of the numerous weapons systems that it claims to have.
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| April 10, 2011, 12:26 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, I NEVER threatened White Ops against you. I joked about it, saying that I'd have to do that to get some plans, but I already had the plans so it was just that, a joke.

Oh, right. I'm not laughing.
Too bad.
Quoting Nick Shelton
Again, I attacked Midway because you were acting oppressive onto smaller states. You're being greedy. Also, I basically had to give you the tip of Baja, because you'd cut off trade, again you were being needlessly greedy, to my troops in Oklahoma.

Needlessly greedy? Funny. And you needed Oklahoma, Nevada, British Columbia, and Alberta because?
You've taken more land than me, and I've owned all of those territories in past groups, except Alberta.
Quoting Nick Shelton
I got what I needed out of Oklahoma too, nothing of value for you to get there.

Except the raw materials, resources, and all the other good things that you can't lift into the air...



Raw Materials? Who needs it? I was elected through the deliberate deception of the people!
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| April 10, 2011, 12:26 am
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Quoting henry wang
I would not be talking if I were you, his numbers add up, yours do not one bit. I have even done some research on the matter, from what I hear you don't have that many F-43s to begin with and you certainly do not have the industrial capability to make the numbers that you have.

Also why haven't you mentioned anything about the PCU running out of fighters or resources which will happen soon if fighting does not stop.

Finally I would like to ask how exactly the PCU is building all of the numerous weapons systems that it claims to have.

Finally! Someone is asking the right questions!

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
He didn't tell us anything, I heard from Tom that your numbers don't seem to add up. I noticed myself. I haven't heard from Ham since he disappeared.

Seriously, you'd be running out of fighters by now. I've been reading past ICFs looking at and recording your losses.

Funny, coming from the man who lost all of his war chariots and summoned 600 from thin air, nonexistent hyperfalcons, and magical ships. You, as usual, are not one to talk.

Not only that, but I have had lots of help.

Hey, at least I bother to post my stats, we have no clue how many the PCU has, and I'm pretty sure he's making them up, since he's been loosing them proportionately. Clean up your own house first, eh?

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| April 10, 2011, 12:27 am
Quoting henry wang
Well I take everyone's numbers into account, and I think that everyone should be depleting not just Ultra. Except when people don't tell me how much stuff that they have to begin with so I have no idea what they had to start out with and whether or not that's feasable. And on that note only Ultra has done that so he's the only one I have been able to have an estimate on how many forces he loses. Everyone else never sent me those.

You're right about people not being specific, I also heard that, but... urrr....

It's extremely difficult not to be afraid of you being biased, even if you're unaware of it. You must understand. I know you want to post something now, but I feel that if you do without reviewing, something terrible might happen. Having Tom review your plans probably won't change very much of it, but it will make me feel better. :(

Please, just hold until Tom's around tomorrow.
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| April 10, 2011, 12:35 am
Quoting henry wang
I would not be talking if I were you, his numbers add up, yours do not one bit. I have even done some research on the matter, from what I hear you don't have that many F-43s to begin with and you certainly do not have the industrial capability to make the numbers that you have.

Also why haven't you mentioned anything about the PCU running out of fighters or resources which will happen soon if fighting does not stop.

Finally I would like to ask how exactly the PCU is building all of the numerous weapons systems that it claims to have.

In reality, almost all of my F-42s have been lost, I have only 20 stealth aircraft left, and a handful of Hyperfaclons. I also have barely any chariots left. Pretty much none. All I have is infantry, really, at this point.

I keep track of what I have available.

It was my understanding that at this point, PCU has fewe fighters left. Although the ones they have are awesome.

It's China that still has a huge air force for Ultra to deal with.
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| April 10, 2011, 12:45 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
It's China that still has a huge air force for Ultra to deal with.

Try to get those aircraft across the huge Pacific without refueling aircraft that get shot down...
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| April 10, 2011, 12:54 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Try to get those aircraft across the huge Pacific without refueling aircraft that get shot down...

A MAF-2 can cross the Pacific without aerial refueling, if it had conformal tanks.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:03 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
My what?

Boy, it didn't take Ham long to spill the beans, did it? What other confidential plans did he tell you?


Vat.


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| April 10, 2011, 1:07 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Vat.


Just so you know, once you're a CM, you hold your peace until the end of the war. You can't just quit because the info is too good to sit on.

Unless you want a few cities missing, you will hold your tongue until this war is over. Pray your friends don't hit certain places, if you know what I mean.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:14 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Vat.


Nothing to do with you, the situation has been cleared up.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:14 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Just so you know, once you're a CM, you hold your peace until the end of the war. You can't just quit because the info is too good to sit on.

Unless you want a few cities missing, you will hold your tongue until this war is over. Pray your friends don't hit certain places, if you know what I mean.

Dude, I told you, it was Tom, Nick and I discussing our skepticism about your numbers on FB. It has nothing to do with Ham. Chill.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:15 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Needlessly greedy? Funny. And you needed Oklahoma, Nevada, British Columbia, and Alberta because?


British Columbia is a core PCU territory, my son. I was against Oklahoma and Alberta, in my day that wouldn't have happened. However, Nick's land-lust is nothing compared to mine or yours, Ultra. Guatemala, Belize? You don't really need those. Just as I don't need Tibet, but I took it anyway.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:18 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Dude, I told you, it was Tom, Nick and I discussing our skepticism about your numbers on FB. It has nothing to do with Ham. Chill.

Just remember, I'm not the only combatant here. We now have a fresh and vastly superior (by everyone's acknowledgment) air force.

I don't suppose you took into account the dozen fewer factories Nick has? Probably not, that's something else he magically produces from thin air. Oil? Gasoline? Grows on trees in your universe. I've had up to two other countries manufacturing my aircraft in steady numbers, not to mention what I produce domestically.

At least you can see my numbers, as I've said, it's easy to make them up when no one can check; like your side has been doing all along. If there was one thing I could change, it would be not having posted anything in the stats thread. In this case, honest men lose.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Guatemala, Belize? You don't really need those. Just as I don't need Tibet, but I took it anyway.

I needed Pacific ports away from the shadow of the PCU. That's all. Belize was just an embellished storyline, plain and simple.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:22 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Just remember, I'm not the only combatant here. We now have a fresh and vastly superior (by everyone's acknowledgment) air force.

I don't suppose you took into account the dozen fewer factories Nick has? Probably not, that's something else he magically produces from thin air. Oil? Gasoline? Grows on trees in your universe. I've had up to two other countries manufacturing my aircraft in steady numbers, not to mention what I produce domestically.

At least you can see my numbers, as I've said, it's easy to make them up when no one can check like your side has been doing all along. If there was one thing I could change, it would be not having posted anything in the stats thread. In this case, honest men lose.

Where in the middle of the American west is there all those resources? I'm not saying it's not there, I'm just curious.

Also, Nick uses alternate energy sources for his land vehicles. What oil he has is used for aircraft fuel.

As for factories, how do you support the fact that he doesn't have as many? How do you have so many? Most American factories are in the east, the west is mostly just huge fields covered in railroad tracks.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:27 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I needed Pacific ports away from the shadow of the PCU. That's all. Belize was just an embellished storyline, plain and simple.


I see. No point in arguing further there. Let the imperialism run on! Let all of America bleed! Let the downfall of a power become complete!

My dawn is yet coming...
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| April 10, 2011, 1:29 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Just so you know, once you're a CM, you hold your peace until the end of the war. You can't just quit because the info is too good to sit on.

Unless you want a few cities missing, you will hold your tongue until this war is over. Pray your friends don't hit certain places, if you know what I mean.


It isn't too difficult of detective work. So try me.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:38 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Just so you know, once you're a CM, you hold your peace until the end of the war. You can't just quit because the info is too good to sit on.

Unless you want a few cities missing, you will hold your tongue until this war is over. Pray your friends don't hit certain places, if you know what I mean.

Oh noooo, like we haven't heard this one before! Everyone bow down to Ultra! He's soooo much better than everyone else.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:40 am
Everyone send new orders because your old one's might have been compromised. Axis send it to Tom allies to me.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:08 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Unless you want a few cities missing, you will hold your tongue until this war is over. Pray your friends don't hit certain places, if you know what I mean.

1. Then Europe would have been attack, and last I checked they are neutral.

2. You won't have the resources to do so because of this war.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:10 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, Nick uses alternate energy sources for his land vehicles. What oil he has is used for aircraft fuel.

For the first one, can you vouch that all of his logistical vehicles are hybrids? Not to mention how big his tanks are and how much energy it would need to move. All I'm saying is that fuel is still very important and he still will need some sort of fuel.

Also you call the amount of F-43s that you have small. You claim to have a lot because more than 50 is a lot.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:28 pm
Quoting John Dawn
1. Then Europe would have been attack, and last I checked they are neutral.

2. You won't have the resources to do so because of this war.


Ssshhhhh, don't ruin his fantasies of being Uber Force One.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:28 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
1. Then Europe would have been attack, and last I checked they are neutral.

2. You won't have the resources to do so because of this war.

Last I checked, I still have over 200 Minuteman IIIs...

And revealing secrets is as bad as declaring war, you know that.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
It isn't too difficult of detective work. So try me.

It is, since it's the most carefully guarded secret I have.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:46 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Last I checked, I still have over 200 Minuteman IIIs...

And revealing secrets is as bad as declaring war, you know that.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
It isn't too difficult of detective work. So try me.

It is, since it's the most carefully guarded secret I have.

I meant the Egypt one.
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| April 10, 2011, 1:54 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I meant the Egypt one.

What Egypt one?
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| April 10, 2011, 2:14 pm
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Perhaps we should have a thread dedicated to the theme music, to keep the masses informed of what songs are being used to represent the players heroic struggles.
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| April 10, 2011, 2:19 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Perhaps we should have a thread dedicated to the theme music, to keep the masses informed of what songs are being used to represent the players heroic struggles.


It has been done.
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| April 10, 2011, 2:33 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

It has been done.


:/ I was going to make it so I could easily update the page when it has been changed.
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| April 10, 2011, 2:35 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

:/ I was going to make it so I could easily update the page when it has been changed.


>.> my apologies.
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| April 10, 2011, 2:39 pm
The RAS has decided to invest on the science of nuclear power. We hope to make our Navy green and sustainable.
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| April 10, 2011, 3:27 pm
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Alright, the results are in; and just to show you how big of a man I am, I actually went through each CR (don't ask how long it took, I don't want to talk about it) and I have the aircraft numbers*. Of course, as soon as I post this, Nick will suddenly have 8x my numbers; quite magically, of course.

Losses:
Me
Starting: F-89s=115, F-29s=345, 12 Blackfish
-80 F-89s lost
-126 F-29s lost
-2 Blackfish lost
-30 other airplanes of all types lost
-238 total

Nick
Starting: Unknown on all accounts.
-76 MAF-2s lost
-129 Other aircraft of all types lost
Awe
Starting:
-97 of all types lost
-2 Arketers lost

-304 total for both

Production (by count):
Me
36 B-3s
45 F-89s (another 10 delivered this week by ally)
45 F-29s

Nick
1,000,000,000 to hear him tell it.

Awe
More realistic, still no clue.


Now, I have been 100% honest, no tricks. This might end up hurting me in the end, since it's easier to make stuff up than count (how well I know) but it should silence a few critics, or give more ammunition to my enemies. I'm thinking I'm coming up on the plus side of this thing yet...

I didn't count tanks, since I've got so many, nickel & dime losses are almost negligible. I'm pretty sure the PCU is out of their 150 HAT-1s by now, though.

*This does not include naval losses, since I can't do everything. Though they are more or less equal for me vs. PCU. These numbers count all PCU & Chinese aircraft lost. I'm not 100% consistent in the only land category, but every time I list enemy losses, I list mine to make it fair. Also, this neglects Egyptian losses, which were substantial.
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| April 10, 2011, 4:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

I sent my Air Force numbers to Areetsa, but that was strictly the Air Force that supports the Army. The Marines and Navy operate their own aviation arm, and the Reserves work with the Air National Guard whenever possible.
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| April 10, 2011, 6:08 pm
Just thought I'd throw in a quick tidbit here:
If this war ended right now, we probobly wouldn't be fighting and calling each other names after we every post, and we can move on.
Jus' saying.
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| April 10, 2011, 8:01 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick


The UNC recognizes the need to stabilize this region of Europe, and is glad to extend support in the form of Task Force 2 (2 Allegiance GMDs and one Type-2 ADC), as well as the two Type-4 submarines typically assigned to Mediterranean patrol. These forces will help shield Byzantium forces from threats, and provide cruise missile support for the ground campaign.
In addition, we are dispatching two of our 3 squadrons of F27s to the region, to be based out of a location of Byzantium's choosing.



The UNC expresses the same call for peace as Cuba and Byzantium in the Third American Civil War (which is more like the North American War).
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| April 10, 2011, 8:24 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Just being peace advocate here and saying, why don't we all sit down in a separate thread and negotiate peace guys.

:D


I fear it's only going to escalate here in the Mediterranean.
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| April 10, 2011, 8:27 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I fear it's only going to escalate here in the Mediterranean.

What's going on in the med?



It involves Ultra and Cliffe.
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| April 10, 2011, 8:33 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
What's going on in the med?



It involves Ultra and Cliffe.


As long as mainland Europe isn't touched, I'm not concerned. Especially considering the only engagements there would involve navies, which Cliffe hasn't had time to build, and Ultra has almost nothing left of.
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| April 10, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Hmm. I'd rather not have people shooting at each other right next to me, but whatever floats their boat (hehe, punny). I will dispatch two frigates from Malta to trail anybody getting close to my waters. Not sure how someone who's navy is engaged in the Pacific and someone else who barely has a functioning Navy can actually fight each other in the Mediterranean Sea though. :3


It's not naval, that's for sure. It's Ultra's Uber Force.

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| April 10, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
It involves Ultra and Cliffe.

That's it, breech of CM nondisclosure!

Let's start thinking about what will happen, now shall we? Use your imagination, why don't you?

Quoting Evan Melick

So, what's the penalty for something like that?

Go ahead and make that thread.
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| April 10, 2011, 8:49 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .


Oh no, I said something was going to happen after the plans have been in, and I didn't even say what! Protect me from the wrath of His mightiness!
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| April 10, 2011, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Penalty for what?

Disclosure of plans to an enemy with information given in trust as a combat moderator. He's probably told everyone everything already, if he's said this much publicly.

Quoting Evan Melick
And make the Treaty thread?

Please.
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| April 10, 2011, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Oh no, I said something was going to happen after the plans have been in, and I didn't even say what! Protect me from the wrath of His mightiness!

You've said enough. And from what I saw, both sides are to submit orders to Tom & Henry. New orders. Do you know how easy it is to switch things up?

Not personal violence, plebeian, I'm talking about admin action. Yeesh.
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| April 10, 2011, 8:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You've said enough. And from what I saw, both sides are to submit orders to Tom & Henry. New orders. Do you know how easy it is to switch things up?

Not personal violence, plebeian, I'm talking about admin action. Yeesh.


I didn't even tell them anything. Sheesh. And I thought we were quitting the name calling, because it shows you're losing an arguement, no?

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| April 10, 2011, 9:00 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I didn't even tell them anything. Sheesh.

Yeah, for sure. We'll see.
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| April 10, 2011, 9:02 pm
Not all plans are in and it was supposed to be a covert op so no one was supposed to know what happened or who did it. So it's a pretty big breach.
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| April 10, 2011, 9:04 pm
Quoting henry wang
Not all plans are in and it was supposed to be a covert op so no one was supposed to know what happened or who did it. So it's a pretty big breach.


You're joking right?

That kind of attack has happened numerous times in this group and it hasn't been "secret".
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| April 10, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

You're joking right?

That kind of attack has happened numerous times in this group and it hasn't been "secret".


I find your lack of confidentiality...disturbing.
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| April 10, 2011, 9:13 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I find your lack of confidentiality...disturbing.


I'll prepare my case then.
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| April 10, 2011, 9:15 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I find your lack of confidentiality...disturbing.


Indeed. The former CM circle is discontented with this. I know things about my enemies, yet I do not disclose them...
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| April 10, 2011, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'll prepare my case then.


I'm not actually going to do anything about it, so the only people you need to prepare your case for is are the Allies.
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| April 10, 2011, 9:16 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'll prepare my case then.

I am very distressed as well that you disclosed such information. We both promised as CMs to keep all orders secret. I believe that you should be punished for your dishonest actions and I advise all allied commanders to rewrite your plans.
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| April 10, 2011, 9:34 pm
TAKE WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME ULTRA. TAKE MY COUNTRY, TAKE MY MILITARY, BAN ME FROM THE GROUP. I DON'T CARE AS I KNOW I WAS HONEST.

/Martyrdom
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| April 10, 2011, 9:41 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
TAKE WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME ULTRA. TAKE MY COUNTRY, TAKE MY MILITARY, BAN ME FROM THE GROUP. I DON'T CARE AS I KNOW I WAS HONEST.

/Martyrdom

Let's not get mixed here about who did what. You gave out privileged information that was CM eyes only. Them's the facts.

It is a breech of confidentiality on the highest level.
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| April 10, 2011, 9:54 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Let's not get mixed here about who did what. You gave out privileged information that was CM eyes only. Them's the facts.

It is a breech of confidentiality on the highest level.

It really won't make a difference...
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| April 10, 2011, 9:56 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Let's not get mixed here about who did what. You gave out privileged information that was CM eyes only. Them's the facts.

It is a breech of confidentiality on the highest level.


What's my penalty then if this is so bad?
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| April 10, 2011, 10:02 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

What's my penalty then if this is so bad?

You be straight with me and tell me honestly what you told the axis about my plans. Via FM, preferably.

Everything you told them.
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| April 10, 2011, 10:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You be straight with me and tell me honestly what you told the axis about my plans. Via FM, preferably.

Everything you told them.


I'm being completely honest when I say I told them nothing.
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| April 10, 2011, 10:32 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I'm being completely honest when I say I told them nothing.

I suppose it will become clear shortly.
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| April 10, 2011, 11:11 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I suppose it will become clear shortly.


Still won't believe me, eh?
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| April 10, 2011, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Still won't believe me, eh?

You haven't exactly been the picture of honesty and integrity in the past, so no.
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| April 10, 2011, 11:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You haven't exactly been the picture of honesty and integrity in the past, so no.


So be it. Present your penalty.
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| April 11, 2011, 12:19 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

So be it. Present your penalty.

So you admit it? We'll have to see about that other from the admins.
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| April 11, 2011, 12:24 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
So you admit it? We'll have to see about that other from the admins.


I admit nothing. I only say that because you refuse to listen.
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| April 11, 2011, 12:34 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I admit nothing. I only say that because you refuse to listen.

Well, like I said, it's a little difficult to tell now, we'll see what happens if the war goes on.
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| April 11, 2011, 12:59 am
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In China today:
-The Qinghai rebellion has been mostly put down through extreme force on those who do not listen. Civil disobedience is still disobedience- Er, civil disobedience is acceptable, but not when civil blood makes civil hands unclean. From ancient grudge break to new mutiny...
-Factories continue churn out new weapons to replace those lost in the North American War, and more.
-Peace deals have begun, but look doubtful at best.
-Indonesian military fully activated against threats to come. Mainly because of that disturbing report of Australians at Midway.

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| April 11, 2011, 9:43 am
All ACU military operations are being put on standby.
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| April 11, 2011, 9:17 pm
As of April 11th, 2037, the Eastern Confederation is at peace with the ACU. The conditions of said peace treaty are as follows:
The Eastern Confederation will cease all military operations against the ACU.
The Eastern Confederation will withdraw all soldiers from Southern Michigan.
The Eastern Confederation will pay for all damages done to civilian property.
The ACU will cede the former states of North Carolina, South Carolina the Western portion of Virginia and the Northern Michigan peninsula to the Eastern Confederation.

As a result people all across the EC are celebrating, we hope to come to an agreement with the PCU as well.

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| April 11, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Will G.
As of April 11th, 2037, the Eastern Confederation is at peace with the ACU. The conditions of said peace treaty are as follows:
The Eastern Confederation will cease all military operations against the ACU.
The Eastern Confederation will withdraw all soldiers from Southern Michigan.
The Eastern Confederation will pay for all damages done to civilian property.
The ACU will cede the former states of North Carolina, South Carolina the Western portion of Virginia and the Northern Michigan peninsula to the Eastern Confederation.

Quoting -> avalella
El Presidente is very glad to announce this evening that this evening, the CDC has come to a peaceful agreement with the ACU to end all hostilities between the two nations. The Yucatan Peninsula is now part of the CDC, and will be governed as the single state of Yucatan, which will receive equal representation in Congress. $50 billion in financial aid is being sent to the ACU to help begin recovering from this bloody conflict, and they are invited to build naval, air, and army bases on the Yucatan. All combat operations in this area are halted, and many CDC troops are already being shipped home to parade around Havana and other cities. El Presidente has also reminded his people that, while this conflict has been resolved, there are still Caribbean troops out fighting on another front, but that peace there is also within reach.

Confirmed both.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:02 pm
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The UNC is very glad for the ACU, EU, and Cuba that a peace settlement was able to be found. We wish to fulfill our promise to provide humanitarian aid to the former combatants such as medical aid, food and water, and basic shelter for those affected by the war.


Task Force 2 is preparing to enter the Mediterranean for our support of Byzantium action against the unstable Lebanon. The Commonwealth and Spain are being advised of this passage.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Task Force 2 is preparing to enter the Mediterranean for our support of Byzantium action against the unstable Lebanon. The Commonwealth and Spain are being advised of this passage.


Passage through Gibraltar granted. You might find some new Spanish ships tagging along as well.

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| April 11, 2011, 10:15 pm
In the CDC, all active duty soldiers who served in the Yucatan Campaign have been offered an opportunity to retire from military service with full benefits, or continue to serve out their entitlement periods, help train new soldiers, develop new tactics and strategies, and evaluate/analyze equipment and tactics that were used in the campaign, with a promotion.
All those who were killed in battle were granted all posthumous honors they were entitled to, if their family so wished it. A plethora of medals have already been awarded for wounds suffered in combat, valor, bravery in the face of danger, and other meritious actions, along with a specially designed Yucatan Campaign ribbon for their dress uniforms.
El Presidente has decided to form a new CDC Legion of Merit, for CDC citizens who have made very large accomplishments, whether it be in civilian life or through military action, and some candidates are already being considered for their actions in the war effort.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:19 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Task Force 2 is preparing to enter the Mediterranean for our support of Byzantium action against the unstable Lebanon. The Commonwealth and Spain are being advised of this passage.

That's ok with me. I'd support the operation, but I'm CMing so saddly I cannot.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:19 pm
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Quoting henry wang
That's ok with me. I'd support the operation, but I'm CMing so saddly I cannot.


It's an NPC conflict so no need for a CM.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:21 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

It's an NPC conflict so no need for a CM.

Oh I thought I couldn't get involved in any conflict.

Ok well with Evan's permission, I will send a Carrier Battle group, consisting of one Falklands-Class Carrier, 2 Recluse-Class Cruisers, 1 Centaur-Class Destroyer, and 3 Hermes-Class Frigates to support the operation.

Also with permission an AWACS will be deployed to asist the conflict.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:30 pm
As of the Eleventh of April 2037 the Eastern Confederation and the Pacific Union are now at peace. The terms of peace are as follows:
The Eastern Confederation and the PCU will cease all combat operations against each other.
The Eastern Confederation will remove all combat soldiers from border to be sent home, or to form hospitals to aid the WC in their medical needs.
The EC and PCU will exchange all POW's, only after all PCU POWs have seen the quarantine camps or the ruins of Savannah. Fried chicken will be provided before departure.
The two nations involved in said treaty will reimburse each other for damages to civilians and destruction/ravaging of capital cities.
The Pacific Union will pay for the damages to the water supply.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:30 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Although I gladly appreciate the help, even the Nordic military assistance is overkill. This is just a simple peacekeeping and occupation mission, and it needn't occupy any more resources then it realistically needs, which hopefully will be few.

Oh well I see. Well just tell me if you want me to deploy some peacekeepers.
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| April 11, 2011, 10:34 pm
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China would like to make peace with the Eastern Confederation as well, seeing as how we've been at war since January without a ceasefire. Shall we call it a draw and leave each other alone, or do you want terms? Because I'm not giving terms to someone I've hardly faced in combat. >.>
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| April 12, 2011, 12:03 am
Last night, A huge military force crossed the Mozambique channel. They landed on mozambique practically unopposed. They made thier way inland facing only police and small military forces. Later that night artillery pieces and tanks were landed. 15 miles inland, The Angolan troops halted. The front line was reinforced with SAMs artillery and tanks. The soldiers are digging in and awaiting the Counter attack. More soldiers are pouring in, and the four of my battle ships are closing off the Mozambique Channel. Patrols ships have been mobalized aroung Angola and Madagascar. The Goal of this invasion is to "Become the Great Empire we once were." If anyone would like to fund me in anyway, I would be happy to help.
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| April 12, 2011, 5:49 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
French Government is bringing in Guadalcanal and the Solomon Islands into the French Union today. As we speak, two fifteen plane squadrons of Mirage2037s, and the five ships making up fleet a are steaming towards The Canal. These units will begin developing the French Pacific Command.

In other news, the FNS Augusta, a Destroyer, was launched from port today, becoming part of the Alantic Fleet. It cost 250 mil.
One itty bitty problem. Nick blew it up. Also, it takes time to cross the Pacific, which is now a war zone.

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| April 12, 2011, 6:25 pm
-Certain civil construction projects have been given a larger budget
-Certain nonexistent underground bases may or may not have had their state altered
-Certain areas of desert may or may not have been filled with small craters
-So, nothing interesting happened.
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| April 12, 2011, 6:36 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Mind if I plop a division or so of shock troops on Taiwan to welcome the Frenchies back to Asia?
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| April 12, 2011, 6:41 pm
Quoting luke peterson

The Commonwealth is quite angry at the imperialistic actions on our neighbor. Our navy will be deploying and if this invasion does not stop, we will stop it.

As of now South African military units are being brought to high alert status.

We deem any and all African Imperialism as a threat that needs to be dealt with.

Also another battlecruiser and two destroyers have finished production.
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| April 12, 2011, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
None of those are open for you. Saipan is part of the Marianas, and I'm pretty sure there's no such island as Taipan (Google maps can't find it), but if you mean Taiwan, that's China's.


Not only that but I find it dubious that two locales (even if they were independent) would be so eager to join a country on the other side of the world with less than a minute of negotiations.
France- "Join us!"
Islands- "Why?."
France "We are cool and we have cigarettes." Islands-"Sounds good to me!"
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| April 12, 2011, 6:46 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Mind if I plop a division or so of shock troops on Taiwan to welcome the Frenchies back to Asia?


Go for it. Taiwan is quite happy with the little economic boost all these visiting troops and aid workers are bringing.

Quoting CherokeeKly .
Change that to Saipan and Taipan.

@Awe- It might make you feel slightly uncomfortable to have potentially hostile troops nearby, but I'm smart enough not to fight with you ;)


Never heard of Taipan, but I hope it isn't in my territory. Stay out of my way, and I'll stay out of yours.

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| April 12, 2011, 6:50 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Never heard of Taipan, but I hope it isn't in my territory. Stay out of my way, and I'll stay out of yours.

I think it's a mis-spelling of TaiWan.
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| April 12, 2011, 6:55 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I think it's a mis-spelling of TaiWan.


Then he's welcome to face all the Powers of Evil I have in store for invaders.
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| April 12, 2011, 6:57 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
I think it's a mis-spelling of TaiWan.

I think there actually is a small island called Taipan, but its population is small and has 0 resources. Or at least that what wikipedia says.
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| April 12, 2011, 6:58 pm
Quoting henry wang
I think there actually is a small island called Taipan, but its population is small and has 0 resources. Or at least that what wikipedia says.

Well, if he's going after insignificant islands, there's no point in waiting for him on Taiwan.
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| April 12, 2011, 7:13 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The Baltic Union supports this Commonwealth Action. We don't look too highly on imperialists.


As do we. Imperialism is never good.
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| April 12, 2011, 7:29 pm
In Yucatan, populations are already seeming to be content with their new government. Former members of the ACU/Mexican garrison are already starting to reenlist in the CDC military, and we are hoping to have a decently sized recruiting influx with this new populace. Military and civilian contractors have already begun to make repairs and improvements to Yucatanian infrastructure, and the CDC Treasury has already begun to distrubute Cuban Pesos (just an FYI, they are circulated to be at equal value to the UK pound) to Yucatanian banks. We expect full economic, social, governmental, and militarial integration to be complete within a matter of months.
In other news, an attempt to speed up the war on the Midwestern Front has been made by Allied High Command, which will entail a large expiditionary force being sent in-theatre.
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| April 12, 2011, 7:56 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Having finally chosen a design for the proposed A-11 two weeks ago (I don't recall if I mentioned it) as the A-10 MkII design from Alaska, the first prototype engines and airframe were manufactured recently looking for the perfect combination. New and improved over the A-10, the 11 will have a max speed of about 400 mph, increased armor protection, and improved optics (including NAVFLIR, flashy, I know). Though it will mount no more weapons, the cannon is now an impressive 3mm larger at 43mm for the more modern threats. It is unclear if this aircraft will see service in this war or not.

Ever looking to the future, the WCHC issued specs last month for a VTOL fighter and carrier aircraft. A pint-sized design has one, looking like a fun-sized version of the Hawker Siddeley Harrier. It is faster, however, and more nimble making it to Mach 2.1 and actually out-maneuvering an F-89 in a simulator. Having only four hardpoints, it is not a heavy-hitter like some, but just as deadly with its weapons. These are complimented by its 20mm Gatling gun. Outfitted with NAVFLIR, AESA radar, and helmet-mounted HUD, it's a real fighter. This aircraft has another plus on its side; the price tag of a modest $12 million, beating out the F-29 by $4 million. This is to be the premiere naval fighter of the next 15 years at least.

More production, more not spying on countries with nothing happening, more warring, all that good stuff.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:22 pm
Quoting -> avalella
the CDC Treasury has already begun to distrubute Cuban Pesos (just an FYI, they are circulated to be at equal value to the UK pound)

That's hillarious, it's sort of true(but that's because there's so little of that type of money), without something to back your new currency your money is just paper. Not to mention with this excess printing it's going to be worth even less. No way that one of your dollar is equal to a pound because there's nothing to back it. And if you say it's backed by trust, what country invests in your money? If you say it's backed by gold/any other commodity, excess printing will make your money worthless because of inflation. I'd say with inflation one of your pesos is about equal to a Mexican Peso.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:30 pm
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Quoting henry wang
That's hillarious, it's sort of true(but that's because there's so little of that type of money), but without something to back your new currency your money is just paper. Not to mention with this excess printing it's going to be worth even less. No way that one of your dollars is equal to a pound because nothing will back it. And if you say trust, what country invests in your money? If you say gold, excess printing will make your money worthless because of inflation. I'd say with inflation one of your pesos is about equal to a Mexican Peso.

He could do it the German way with France (Marks were defined as significantly higher than Francs) and say that 1 of his Pesos is equivalent to 100 Mexican Pesos. He's the occupier, he can do what he wants.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
He could do it the German way with France (Marks were defined as significantly higher than Francs) and say that 1 of his Pesos is equivalent to 100 Mexican Pesos. He's the occupier, he can do what he wants.

No I mean on the market as in when traded internationally. I could really care less what he does in Mexico, but no way his money on the market is it worth as much as mine.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:39 pm
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Unconfirmed rumor has it that China's currency is based on cotton. But, that is only a rumor, after all. It's also rumored that there's an underground city below Beijing. Not that that's true either.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:40 pm
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Quoting henry wang
No I mean on the market as in when traded internationally. I could really care less what he does in Mexico, but no way his money on the market is it worth as much as mine.

Ah, well, no one's money is worth as much as the WC dollar. We've go billions in gold behind our currency.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:42 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
And so does the U.S. Is the dollar the strongest currency in the world? No.

Our money is not backed by gold, but by trust. If it were backed by gold, we would not be able to just print money like we do. But if it's backed by trust so that's not our problem, it's the problem of the guy we owe billions to.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:53 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Commonwealth is quite angry at the imperialistic actions on our neighbor. Our navy will be deploying and if this invasion does not stop, we will stop it.

As of now South African military units are being brought to high alert status.

We deem any and all African Imperialism as a threat that needs to be dealt with.

Also another battlecruiser and two destroyers have finished production.

No offense, But is it your buisness. I am nowhere near you, and If you fight me, It will just be another way to cripple your military. I will keep reuniting africa, and I will kindly ask you mind you own Buisness. I f it is a big deal, Maybe A deal can be arranged.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:57 pm
Quoting henry wang
I could really care less what he does in Mexico, but no way his money on the market is it worth as much as mine.

I really just made my currency like that for ease of trade, because the UK is probobally my biggest trading partner, however as the currency is still very new, I can manipulate its value indefinitely. Would you care for a stronger exchange rate?
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| April 12, 2011, 8:57 pm
Quoting -> avalella
I really just made my currency like that for ease of trade, because the UK is probobally my biggest trading partner, however as the currency is still very new, I can manipulate its value indefinitely. Would you care for a stronger exchange rate?

I want a much better exchange rate, but do you buy my products or do I buy yours. I never got that part.
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| April 12, 2011, 8:59 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
But, if Ultra were to back his currency on gold, then how would his economy fare when most countries don't have a gold standard?

Well it doesn't make much of a difference other than his money won't fluctuate, his exchange rates would stay the same, and he couldn't just print to solve his problems.

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| April 12, 2011, 9:06 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting luke peterson

You don't have the ability to do serious damage to either my or Great Britain's military. I would suggest you stop invading places and go back to your corner before we have to get tough.

Again, You are NOWHERE NEAR ME. Is it your beeswax? no. When I pose a threat to you, you may attack me.
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| April 12, 2011, 9:09 pm
Quoting luke peterson
No offense, But is it your buisness. I am nowhere near you, and If you fight me, It will just be another way to cripple your military. I will keep reuniting africa, and I will kindly ask you mind you own Buisness. I f it is a big deal, Maybe A deal can be arranged.

Yes, it's my business because your invading my neighbor and spreading imperialism around my region. Neither of those is good to me. Now I suggest you stand down, or you will be kicked out. Now where and when exactly did you get an aircraft carrier along with 11 subs? Even if the admins keep your inflated military my fleet combined with an international task force will easily defeat you.
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| April 12, 2011, 9:11 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Like this war he's in.

Sadly for him, he can't just pay his soldiers or buy more weapons when he's out of money because he can't print.

Also luke, this is my problem as you are invading my neighbor and spreading imperialism across the region. Neither of the two are good, now I suggest you back off or you will be facing me in battle.
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| April 12, 2011, 9:13 pm
Quoting henry wang
Also luke, this is my problem as you are invading my neighbor and spreading imperialism across the region. Neither of the two are good, now I suggest you back off or you will be facing me in battle.

Since when is imperialism "not good"?!
In other news...
1,500 of our GPMRV-Cs will begin being converted to the GPMRV-H, of our own design, to be used as artillery tractors.
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| April 12, 2011, 9:30 pm
The PCU Department of Defense dropped the bid for an MV-22 type craft, with dual rotors for a ducted fan craft like the X-44. The DoD has been given a limit of one month to design the ducted fans, attach them to the newly wingless prototypes, and fly them past a panel of DoD representatives. The deadline is May 12th.
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| April 12, 2011, 9:38 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Since when is imperialism "not good"?!


Since the liberals convinced everyone it wasn't good.
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| April 12, 2011, 9:51 pm
The Commonwealth will be deploying a Carrier Battle Group and a Heavy Engagement Battlegroup to reinforce our third fleet. We are also calling on anyone else for support against the imperialistic Angolans if a conflict were to arrise.

The RAF is beginning to send reinforements to South Africa.

We are giving the Angolans an ultimatum, either vacate Mosambique or we will make you leave. We are giving your forces three days to leave or a no-fly zone will be imposed and if you still do not leave after two days of the no-fly zone, we will begin air ops.

BTW, who will be modding if this conflict actually does get hot.
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| April 12, 2011, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
[irl]Anyone who knows me even fairly well should be able to know how much I romanticize about the 19th century, but in all reality, although it had some very good aspects and results, the entire situation for the vast majority of the people involved stunk. Hardcore. And that's a fact, not a liberal/conservative nuthin'. Besides that those two words have lost any sense of their actual meaning in the pathetic brawl American politics have turned into.[/irl]

Anywho.


[EDI] That was a joke. [/EDI]

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| April 12, 2011, 11:39 pm
Alenian currency is backed by guns. No, really: current exchange rate is 75 ASCUs to the AK101.
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| April 13, 2011, 1:45 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting luke peterson

I would say that no matter how many super battleships you seem to have in your Navy, in a CM'd war, the Royal Navy would make mincemeat of your fleet pretty quick, with the vastly technological superior South African forces streaming over your border, not to mention if he decided to take a shot at Madagascar, as realistically I'd say you'd be completely unable to defend it.

Also, you've basically been at war since you got here, so I'd say your economy is rather sub-par and your armed forces are already starting to feel pretty stretched as-is.

I am aware I cannot beat henry, or Tom, it was never my intention for them to start start sticking thier noses into my buisness.
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| April 13, 2011, 6:36 am
Quoting henry wang
Yes, it's my business because your invading my neighbor and spreading imperialism around my region. Neither of those is good to me. Now I suggest you stand down, or you will be kicked out. Now where and when exactly did you get an aircraft carrier along with 11 subs? Even if the admins keep your inflated military my fleet combined with an international task force will easily defeat you.


Where did I say I had an aircraft carrier? I have 4 battleships and a number of Patrol ships.

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| April 13, 2011, 6:38 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
Which is still impossible given the country you have.

Might be a codename for armed speedboats.
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| April 13, 2011, 6:51 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
Which is still impossible given the country you have.

I thought we already went over this. We went over the size, the fact that I have been improving my economy since the day I started, the fact that I've been building these things since I started.
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| April 13, 2011, 6:53 am
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Today, the Εland Islands have been invited to join the UNC. Out of great respect for their autonomous government, their traditions of being entirely policically neutral as well as being completely demilitarized will not be infringed upon. We invite them to join for economic protection reasons. Again, this deal will be little more than a change of ownership, with the UNC effectively replacing Finland's role within the current country. No military bases would be constructed and no units would be stationed there.
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| April 13, 2011, 10:13 am
Quoting luke peterson

Where did I say I had an aircraft carrier? I have 4 battleships and a number of Patrol ships.

1-Holland class carrier
11-submarines
That's what your stats page say you have, also where did these 11 subs come from?

Finally are you withdrawing or not?
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| April 13, 2011, 3:51 pm
Quoting henry wang
1-Holland class carrier
11-submarines
That's what your stats page say you have, also where did these 11 subs come from?

Finally are you withdrawing or not?

Check again, I changed it to the current numbers, the Battle ship are actually pretty small.

I will not leave, but if it pleases you, I will not advance. I will leave Mozambique alone. I still do not the idea of a foregner telling me what to do.
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| April 13, 2011, 4:20 pm
Quoting henry wang

Is there going to be a CR or not?
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| April 13, 2011, 4:21 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Check again, I changed it to the current numbers, the Battle ship are actually pretty small.

I will not leave, but if it pleases you, I will not advance. I will leave Mozambique alone. I still do not the idea of a foregner telling me what to do.

There is no negotiating, you either leave Mozambique or The BU and I will remove you. Now you have another 2 days to leave, or you will be forcibly removed.

I don't have the axis' orders and I have 2 projects due on Friday so I do not have the time to do it. If you want send them all to tom. He may have time.
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| April 13, 2011, 4:21 pm
Quoting henry wang
There is no negotiating, you either leave Mozambique or The BU and I will remove you. Now you have another 2 days to leave, or you will be forcibly removed.

I don't have the axis' orders and I have 2 projects due on Friday so I do not have the time to do it. If you want send them all to tom. He may have time.


Okay then, We are now at war. I wil not back down because of your inability to mind you own buisness. I know I can't win, But I will try.

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| April 13, 2011, 4:36 pm
Quoting luke peterson

Okay then, We are now at war. I wil not back down because of your inability to mind you own buisness. I know I can't win, But I will try.

All I ask for you is to leave, now I will give you two more days and then I will attack, but for now I will just defend myself.
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| April 13, 2011, 4:42 pm
Hey Henry, who's going to mod your conflict?

Your mind, blown.
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| April 13, 2011, 5:26 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Hey Henry, who's going to mod your conflict?

Your mind, blown.

Evan said he would because it should be simple.
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| April 13, 2011, 5:35 pm
Quoting henry wang
All I ask for you is to leave, now I will give you two more days and then I will attack, but for now I will just defend myself.

Defending yourself? More like defending your interests...
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| April 13, 2011, 5:41 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Defending yourself? More like defending your interests...

All of the world frowns on imperialism, and he even admits that he is participating in imperialism. I have no intention of taking Mozambique, I just feel that what he is doing is purely imperialistic. And he needs to be stopped.
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| April 13, 2011, 5:43 pm
Quoting henry wang
All I ask for you is to leave, now I will give you two more days and then I will attack, but for now I will just defend myself.

I will back down, But not because of your words, It's because of others.
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| April 13, 2011, 5:44 pm
Quoting henry wang
All of the world frowns on imperialism, and he even admits that he is participating in imperialism. I have no intention of taking Mozambique, I just feel that what he is doing is purely imperialistic. And he needs to be stopped.

Um...

I don't frown upon imperialism if it's for a good reason. If it's for no good reason then it's just kind of stup1d.

And I'm pretty sure our good friend Russia wouldn't mind either. :P

And who is Britain to talk about imperialism being bad? XD
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| April 13, 2011, 6:05 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Um...

I don't frown upon imperialism if it's for a good reason. If it's for no good reason then it's just kind of stup1d.

And I'm pretty sure our good friend Russia wouldn't mind either. :P

And who is Britain to talk about imperialism being bad? XD

He has no good reason to be invading all the countries around him other than to steal their resources.

And Russia would not like it

Finally, that's the Britain of a period of time when it was accepted, but now it just is not. The only reason why you may think I am is because I just retained the name.

Luke I could really care less why you are leaving, as long as you are leaving that's ok for me.
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| April 13, 2011, 6:07 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I don't frown upon imperialism if it's for a good reason. If it's for no good reason then it's just kind of stup1d.


Yes, because Angola is clearly such a great country to even afford to finance their campaigns *rolls eyes*

But I will agree that if it is logical it isnt too bad, which is why I don't particularly mind my good neighbor Tom snatching up the majority of central Europe, Evan grabbing most of Southeastern Europe, or even my own land-grabbing shenanigans. But that is because it makes sense- all the countries that I just listed have the capital and military prowess to at least conceivably carry out such expansion, which are things that Luke clearly lacks.

Also, maybe he could actually TRY diplomacy rather than immediately going to war for everything.
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| April 13, 2011, 6:09 pm
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Quoting henry wang
All of the world frowns on imperialism, and he even admits that he is participating in imperialism.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SX3JnUhTaE

I'm in support of imperialism when it doesn't hurt me or my allies. I don't give a rat's posterior about Angola and who it invades, not my problem.
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| April 13, 2011, 6:53 pm
You guys say I can't afford these military operations, But In 2010, It says I had 110,000 soldiers in my army, While practically all of the surrounding countries average at 13,000. I also have superior tech, so war isn't that costly.

@ henry-
You bug me.
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| April 13, 2011, 7:13 pm
Quoting luke peterson
You guys say I can't afford these military operations, But In 2010, It says I had 110,000 soldiers in my army, While practically all of the surrounding countries average at 13,000. I also have superior tech, so war isn't that costly.

@ henry-
You bug me.

Oh no I annoy you (gasp)! I could really care less if I annoy you. I'm not here to make you happy and appease you.

You still need to pay them, feed them, give them munitions, cloth the, provide them weapons, and supply them. All of which cost a lot, and these will only multiply if your at war.
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| April 13, 2011, 7:41 pm
I do realize that France may invade Saipan/Taipan (that's a snake, but whatever) but if the target changes back toward the Solomon Islands, I will be defending the Islands. Remember, Australian territory includes New Bismarck, East New Guinea, and of course mainland Australia, so I have the islands practically cornered.

For my stand on the conflict going on with Angola and UK/BU, I will be neutral. For now.
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| April 13, 2011, 7:53 pm
Quoting henry wang
Oh no I annoy you (gasp)! I could really care less if I annoy you. I'm not here to make you happy and appease you.

You still need to pay them, feed them, give them munitions, cloth the, provide them weapons, and supply them. All of which cost a lot, and these will only multiply if your at war.


I wasn't serious when I said you annoyed me, This is just a game, right?

@ Brendan, Germany Conquered france because they had suprise. So did I.

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| April 13, 2011, 7:59 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
In WWII, France had many more advanced tanks than the Germans, yet the Germans still took over. It's strategy that wins a war, not how many people you can throw at it.

In my opinion (which is heavily influenced by that of Tom Clancy), it was the fact that every single German tank had a radio in it that one them France.
That and the Blitzkrieg...

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| April 13, 2011, 8:43 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .

@Awe- Would you let 31 NRoF Airplanes into your aerospace, as we want to cross China to quickly cut down on our trip time from our current spot in Baghdad.



Ok, go for it.

Quoting Brendan Dore
I could attack Awe tomorrow by surprise, but would I conquer them?


http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/101/781/original/Y0UJC.png?1298581940

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| April 13, 2011, 9:15 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Quoting luke peterson
@ Brendan, Germany conquered France because they had surprise. So did I.

I could attack Awe tomorrow by surprise, but would I conquer them?

Awe is a huge, First world country. With great Tech, I believe you could deal a great blow if you play it right, But no, You could not win in the long run.
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| April 13, 2011, 9:22 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
Awe is a huge, First world country. With great Tech, I believe you could deal a great blow if you play it right, But no, You could not win in the long run.


More like you wouldn't be able to touch his shorelines.
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| April 13, 2011, 9:23 pm
In the Axis today, factories have placed orders on materials to complete the first prototype of the new ducted-fan troop transport.

In the Pacific Union, the new ducted fan transport has been christened the MVT-1, as in the Medium Vtol Transport. The DoD voted on the callsign Milatio, and it was approved.
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| April 13, 2011, 9:55 pm
Quoting Evan Melick

I thought Luke is pulling out, or is he?

(stares at Angola)
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| April 13, 2011, 10:45 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Received orders from both of you.

Got it, well let the games begin!
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| April 13, 2011, 10:49 pm
The PM is condeming the heinous and ungentlemenly attacks on citizens of South Africa. We predict that enlistment will rise because of the civilian attacks.

We are officially declaring war on Angolian forces around the world. Currently we will continue our doctrine of not harming or attacking civilians, but we will not relent our attack on tactical targets.

We tell the Mozambique people to rise up and we tell them that help is on the way.

All POWs will be treated well. They will recieve the best medical attention that we have to offer and they will receive 3 healthy meals a day.

Finally we remind Angola that peace is but a withdrawl away.
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| April 13, 2011, 11:50 pm
Quoting henry wang
I don't have the axis' orders...

What? How is that possible? Have you checked your FM inbox lately?
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| April 14, 2011, 4:52 am
Quoting henry wang
The PM is condeming the heinous and ungentlemenly attacks on citizens of South Africa. We predict that enlistment will rise because of the civilian attacks.

We are officially declaring war on Angolian forces around the world. Currently we will continue our doctrine of not harming or attacking civilians, but we will not relent our attack on tactical targets.

We tell the Mozambique people to rise up and we tell them that help is on the way.

All POWs will be treated well. They will recieve the best medical attention that we have to offer and they will receive 3 healthy meals a day.

Finally we remind Angola that peace is but a withdrawl away.

Okay, I will withdrawl, now to the stats page.
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| April 14, 2011, 6:40 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Alrighty, Combat Report for Southern Africa; April, 13:

- Twenty-five Angolan DH-11 bombers entered South African airspace from the Mozambique Channel. Since launching from bases in Angola would breach other nation's airspace, I assume that all of Luke's planes are coming from there. Luke only has one photo of the jet, and no stats for it posted, plus the fact their most logical travel path is through the Channel, so I'm going to call six of his planes lost due to ship-based SAM's from the Royal Navy's squadron chilling down there. The remaining 19 planes reached north-eastern South Africa, where I'm going to say at least another eight were shot down (they were totally unescorted) as they flew right into the two squadrons of F-302 fighters providing preliminary air cover (assisted by AWACS) around the Pretoria area. Very minimal damage caused by the bombing strike before the Angolans had to return home.
- The Angolan attempt to launch an amphibious attack was also basically squashed. Seven amphibious transports (going by assuming Luke's LCT's are equivalent to the other 'Polnocny' class ships, total force deployed would only be about 35-40 armored vehicles and about 700 infantry, not the amount you said you were carrying, sorry Luke) took off from what I assume to be the southern tip of Madagascar, with no listed naval escorts, heading for Cape Town, and following in their aerial friends' footsteps, ran right into the air umbrella of the HMS Queen Elizabeth's F/A-35. I'd say they put up a valiant fight, but I'm calling a loss on all seven ships (they are going on about 50-60 years old each, and we all know Soviet equipment...), with a 40% casualty rate for crew and compliment of the Angolan troops. Near to total equipment loss, with the survivors being rescued and taken prisoner, mostly by the carrier's escorts.
- The Commonwealth remains on defensive footing, with air and ground troop mobilization all across South Africa beginning, with forces local to the Mozambique-SA border preparing to hold position until reinforcements can arrive.
- Although not mentioned, going to give Luke the BotD and say general mobilization has also occurred in Angolan territories.
- No orders received from the Baltic Union


Combat Losses for Today:

RAS:
14x DH-11 bombers (60% crew survival, all now POW's)
3x 'Polnocny' class landing ships
4x Landing Ship, Tank's
12x MBT's (no idea, Luke, your statistics page doesn't actually give me anything to work with...sorry to sound harsh)
12x RM-70 MLRS'
12x BM-21 MLRS'
~280 Infantry

Commonwealth:
~20 civilian casualties in Pretoria

Baltic Union:
none

Sorry if that seems harsh Luke, but Henry had pretty much every angle covered from the start, plus his technology outclasses you from what I can tell. Really my suggestion to you would be to first of all, get a stats page that actually lists what equipment you have, and also make sure you know the capabilities of the equipment you are using...

I landed 35-40 SAMs on that beach, You'd think they'd hit something. Either way, I've learned from my Mistakes.
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| April 14, 2011, 6:43 am
I thought I was supposed to send my orders to Tom?

Also, Angola, I TOLD you to get out. Y U NO LISTEN.
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| April 14, 2011, 8:44 am
Quoting Areetsa C
What? How is that possible? Have you checked your FM inbox lately?

The axis sent their orders to Tom who is now MIA.
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| April 14, 2011, 10:20 am
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Quoting henry wang
The axis sent their orders to Tom who is now MIA.


I was not aware we had to send anything to you now...


Quoting CherokeeKly .
Bassas da India Islands and Europa Island off Mozambique are becoming the French Atlantic/ Africa Command's home port.


So you're using islands in the Indian ocean as your Atlantic home port? Do you even know where Mozambique is?

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| April 14, 2011, 10:25 am
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Quoting luke peterson
I landed 35-40 SAMs on that beach, You'd think they'd hit something. Either way, I've learned from my Mistakes.

In all fairness, modern ECM pods would likely counter any radar you could field to guide your SAMs.
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| April 14, 2011, 11:49 am
I will now officially Withdrawl all troops from Mozambique, I will pay for any of the light Property damages I have caused, and I send my condolances to the 20 civvies of Henries I killed. I apologize to Henry and Mozambique. My fleet will now move upwards, and My factories will start replacing any lost equipment.
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| April 14, 2011, 2:45 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
As above, they never even made it ashore.

Even then, I don't know that they would have made a difference with the aforementioned tech differences. In a lot of cases, ECM pods are as good as stealth.
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| April 14, 2011, 5:20 pm
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Although late to the party, the Union State is actually in agreement with the Byzantine occupation of Lebanon. We've dealt with our fair share of domestic terrorists, and we don't care to wish the trauma caused by them on any nation regardless of their standing with the Union State. However, we are fearful that Byzantium may get a bit power-hungry and lash out on the state of Lebanon to make up for losses in Crimea. Thus, we are requesting that Russian white-cap peacekeepers be allowed in the country to conduct humanitarian over-sight as a third-party to the situation.

We would also like to open a trade line with Byzantium to acquire some 12 Thessaloniki-class frigates. Although we're assured your production lines are filled to capacity, we hope to still have this number completed rather quickly if the order goes through. Perchance a contract could be awarded to [Russian] domestic shipyards to complete a majority of the vessels. Payment is up to you.

Onto proper news regarding the Union State, the homes of nearly forty supposed anarchists, terrorists, and generalized conspirators were raided over the past two weeks. Due to the regional hostilities of late, there has been a general increase in high-value [meaning they belong to prestigious public offices] dissenters. Due to the aforementioned turmoil, we have no time to deal with silly by-products of an over-sensitized democracy. It seems the authoritarian roots of Russia don't die with representative government. All of these men, or at least the ones that weren't killed or found dead upon arrest, will be given public trials in quick succession with the ultimate penalty being capital punishment favoring death by firing squad or something traditional like that.

Also, Ukraine has pretty much become a pot of detestation. The governmental institution has been dissolved by violent usurpers leaving the region into total chaos with boundaries merely dictated by collaborating former police and military offices. Presently, the southern belt of provinces has been classified as a de facto Federal Security Interest. The SE FSI will be seeing a mass mobilization of regular forces to neutralize any hostiles that engage them. We see no alternative that shall be more efficient than simply eliminating all tangos. CAP in conjunction with security personnel already in-theatre will begin wave attacks that shall span the course of three days.

The northern belt of provinces already containing security forces will be lightly dealt with as to promote a self-created temporary government by civilian promotion of suggested representatives. This region isn't as problematic [save for Kiev] as the south due to its removal from the Crimean hearth of secession. Still, regulars will also be mobilized in the area, but their footprint will be considerably smaller than those in the south. We hope to have the nation under control by end-month.
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| April 14, 2011, 8:53 pm
The Commonwealth thanks Angola for its cooperation in the conflict, this incident hopefully will not be forgotten and that in the future, no more imperialistic invasions shall exist. We hope that our relationship in the future will grow and prosper. We also will be returning all of their POW along with all remains of any destroyed equipment.

Finally we will be sending 40 million pounds of aid to Mozambique to assist in the rebuilding process.
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| April 14, 2011, 9:24 pm
Quoting henry wang
The axis sent their orders to Tom who is now MIA.

But I sent some to you, which it seems you never received.
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| April 14, 2011, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
But I sent some to you, which it seems you never received.

You are not allowed to enter this conflict. As a former CM, you are quite familiar with defenses and such. That would give you an obscene advantage and be generally unfair.

You can't just quite/get replaced and decide to hop in. It just doesn't work that way.
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| April 14, 2011, 10:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You are not allowed to enter this conflict. As a former CM, you are quite familiar with defenses and such. That would give you an obscene advantage and be generally unfair.

You can't just quite/get replaced and decide to hop in. It just doesn't work that way.

This particular set of orders was SUPPOSED to go into effect back when Tom was modding the first time, but CMs have always conveniently decided to quit right after I send them in.

So you can sit down and deal with it, which I'm sure is an action well beyond your experiences.
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| April 14, 2011, 10:09 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Awe did that.

Hmmm. He did. However, that has turned out to be one very small part of the overall war. And it could be considered a whole different one if you count the cease-fire breaking things up.

Pretty much anything Awe knew went away before he came in.

Unless that means he can't be involved in this one either, I'll take that.

Quoting Areetsa C
This particular set of orders was SUPPOSED to go into effect back when Tom was modding the first time,

Believe me, I know the feeling*.

*dropped orders
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| April 14, 2011, 10:09 pm
@Tom
What's your position on "rocks fall, everybody dies"?
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| April 14, 2011, 10:16 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
@Tom
What's your position on "rocks fall, everybody dies"?

Going back to the conversation of volcanoes, you can't use space rocks as weapons, sorry.

Oh, yes, I seem to recall Tom asking me an odd question. Something about: "What's your border security?"

Well, it's actually a warzone right now. Care to come over for a cup of coffee?

International airlines are still nonexistent since the WCHC launched the WC Self-Sufficiency plan months ago, docks are controlled by the Coast Guard, the finest in private security companies (akin to Blackwater & better) are guarding critical areas, and I still have a missile somewhere that's about 4x the last yield that has Astana stenciled on the side of it...
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| April 14, 2011, 10:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Care to come over for a cup of coffee?

Sure!
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| April 14, 2011, 11:16 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Sure!

Good luck.
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| April 15, 2011, 12:01 am
I like how the Western Confederation's Leader consistently threatens to use his ICBMs on the enemy, but then doesn't.
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| April 15, 2011, 8:53 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
I like how the Western Confederation's Leader consistently threatens to use his ICBMs on the enemy, but then doesn't.

Except on people he's afraid of (or thinks are like him, and would never retaliate in a similarly "dishonorable" fashion.)
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| April 15, 2011, 9:00 am
Quoting Tom

RAAAAAUUUUUWWWWWGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
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| April 15, 2011, 9:06 am
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Quoting Thomas N


http://nooooo.com/
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| April 15, 2011, 10:23 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I like how the Western Confederation's Leader consistently threatens to use his ICBMs on the enemy, but then doesn't.

That's the point, I hope I never have to use them. "The best weapon is one you never have to use." It's called deterrence, you say x, I say I'll do y if you do x, and then you don't do x because you don't want me to use y. Why do you think Cliffe hasn't G-bombed me again? Because he knows as soon as those words are uttered in the CR, ICBMs are in the air for the Aswan High Dam. I've told him I'll do it, but I won't unless he does the other.

I've never used them without warning in the past. And I still think it's pretty funny how no one cared how many tens to hundreds of thousands that Japan was killing, only me when I retaliated. Double-standards run wacky in this group. And I don't want to hear "He didn't kill HUNDREDS of thousands!!" Really? I'd love to see your sources for that one. Carpet bombings of civilians produces figures that high routinely. Considering that you could kill up to 40,000 in a single day in WWII, and our bombs are much more powerful these days, up to 80,000 can go in one attack. He did it for 3-4 days.

Quoting Areetsa C
Except on people he's afraid of (or thinks are like him, and would never retaliate in a similarly "dishonorable" fashion.)

I'm sorry? That made no sense.
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| April 15, 2011, 11:16 am
I'm sorry to announce that I will be gone for the next ten days, it will be spring break and I will have no Wi-Fi where I am going.

Luckly Austrailia has sent Advisors to Angola to take controll of military operations. i have authorized anything he does, so don't question his orders. If you have anything that you think requires my approval, FM me and I will get back to you on sunday the 24th.
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| April 15, 2011, 2:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Good luck.

Is coffee scarce?
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| April 15, 2011, 3:17 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Is coffee scarce?

Well, with the Panama Canal in the state it is...well, prices are a little out there. Any chance you could bring your own?
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| April 15, 2011, 4:16 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, with the Panama Canal in the state it is...well, prices are a little out there. Any chance you could bring your own?

Do you mind decaf?
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| April 15, 2011, 5:43 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

Two new PTRs took to the seas, one from Baja and one from Guatemala christened the WCS Necessity and Sao Fernando respectively.

The first hovering tests took place with the XF-40 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46934040@N05/5620305193/in/photostream) this afternoon, with promising results. The project might go forward a bit faster than we thought previously. The resulting aircraft will be for sale on the international market, given the dearth of VTOLs that seems to be around here.

The A-11 project is also going forward nicely: http://mocpages.com/moc.php/199356 at a good pace.

The decision has finally been made to call up the reserves in men and material for the WC. This means that the National Guards and the Air National Guards have been folded into their respective Army Group commands. This will add significantly to the war effort. The marines will be contributing nicely to the war soon, it just hasn't been determined exactly where yet.

China is given a friendly warning not to be as free to loan ICBM bases/facilities to other countries *coughAleniaorPCUcough* as they were with their bombers. Bad, very bad things *might* happen. A policy of MAD is now in effect. Again, nothing will happen if nothing changes. If you want to launch against us, I couldn't care less (though it's probable that any in your conquered territories would have been sabotaged, so you only have about 5 of your 21 up and running). But I don't want you to suffer for someone else's doing.

That's about it for now...
Quoting John Dawn
Do you mind decaf?

Actually, I'd prefer not...
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| April 15, 2011, 6:14 pm
Today in the PCU...

...the XVT-1 Milatio underwent flight testing. Once upon a time, it would have flown for a panel of DoD up'n'ups at the Idaho Labs Facility (see RA-CAS-UEN timeline) but since that was then, and this is now, it flew in an unspecified location in the ----- Hemisphere.

It performed well for an experimental craft, and is looking to be a promising addition to the PCU Military. At the end of the display for PCU, Chinese, Egyptian, and ----- officials, a live SAM was brought out, and the pilots were told to disable the SAM site with their jamming...things on the nose, and then destroy the SAM.

The SAM site fired a missile, and the XVT launched flares. Rolling to the right, it flicked on its jamming, and then fired its cannon onto the SAM, destroying it. It then landed on the runway at -----, and it was time to party. /tea-partay.
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| April 15, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The SAM site fired a missile, and the XVT launched flares. Rolling to the right, it flicked on its jamming, and then fired its cannon onto the SAM, destroying it. It then landed on the runway at -----, and it was time to party. /tea-partay.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm totally convinced...

But hey, as long as it's over there, it ain't getting home nohow.
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| April 15, 2011, 7:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm totally convinced...

But hey, as long as it's over there, it ain't getting home nohow.

Where is over there? As far as you know, it could be in ACU-controlled lands, or it could be in San Diego.
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| April 15, 2011, 7:47 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Where is over there? As far as you know, it could be in ACU-controlled lands, or it could be in San Diego.

1. Yep, then it still isn't getting home. Try to fly it out over ACU Mexico? Thanks to the tucked-tail runaway you did in the Baja, your air spaces no longer join. You'd have to fly over my airspace.
2. San Diego is actually now (most likely) part of my territory, thanks to the tucked-tail running you did on the Baja. It's seriously only 24 miles from the border. As I recall, the last CR said I was making lots of gains because there were no more PCU soldiers in the way (on the mainland).
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| April 15, 2011, 8:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
1. Yep, then it still isn't getting home. Try to fly it out over ACU Mexico? Thanks to the tucked-tail runaway you did in the Baja, your air spaces no longer join. You'd have to fly over my airspace.
2. San Diego is actually now (most likely) part of my territory, thanks to the tucked-tail running you did on the Baja. It's seriously only 24 miles from the border. As I recall, the last CR said I was making lots of gains because there were no more PCU soldiers in the way (on the mainland).

/LOLface.

How about, no? I did pull out of the Baja, but I did set a limit for where my forces would go. And your forces are probably there now, trading bullets with my forces. And on your Westward Expansion journey, you're still a good 75 miles from the Ocean at the closest point, so I've still got some wiggle room.
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| April 15, 2011, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
/LOLface.

How about, no? I did pull out of the Baja, but I did set a limit for where my forces would go. And your forces are probably there now, trading bullets with my forces. And on your Westward Expansion journey, you're still a good 75 miles from the Ocean at the closest point, so I've still got some wiggle room.


Once you start running, it's not easy to stop. I gave specific orders to that effect, to press on your heels all the way to Canada.

Poor Nick. So delusional. In any case, I could see your testing grounds with a nice pair of binoculars if nothing else, so I could pay it a nice visit soon. Thank you for telling me, that's that much less intel gathering I need to do now.

Oh, by the way, good luck seeing any of my stuff without satellites that China has fewer of now...
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| April 15, 2011, 8:21 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Once you start running, it's not easy to stop. I gave specific orders to that effect, to press on your heels all the way to Canada.

Poor Nick. So delusional. In any case, I could see your testing grounds with a nice pair of binoculars if nothing else, so I could pay it a nice visit soon. Thank you for telling me, that's that much less intel gathering I need to do now.

Oh, by the way, good luck seeing any of my stuff without satellites that China has fewer of now...

That's why I put blanks. It could be in a number of places, I'm just not saying where. /Dave Smith.

And furthermore, delusional is a term that best describes the Allies, seeing how they celebrate victory before I've lost.
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| April 15, 2011, 8:29 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And furthermore, delusional is a term that best describes the Allies, seeing how they celebrate victory before I've lost.

"A delusion is a belief that is either mistaken or not substantiated that is held with vehemence." I'm pretty sure we're more or less not mistaken and it is pretty well substantiated that we are indeed winning. It is mistaken to say that you will not be defeated. Everyone sees it. Just run the numbers.
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| April 15, 2011, 9:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
"A delusion is a belief that is either mistaken or not substantiated that is held with vehemence." I'm pretty sure we're more or less not mistaken and it is pretty well substantiated that we are indeed winning. It is mistaken to say that you will not be defeated. Everyone sees it. Just run the numbers.

It's called an upset, or a come-from-behind. As the Scrolls of Pythia state, All this has happened before, and all this will happen again. Have you won yet? No. Is there still a large chance for error? Yes.
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| April 15, 2011, 9:39 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
It's called an upset, or a come-from-behind. As the Scrolls of Pythia state, All this has happened before, and all this will happen again. Have you won yet? No. Is there still a large chance for error? Yes.

Mmmm, yeah. Of course, with your magic air force and navy, anything is possible. I seem to recall that you said you had less than 110 ships? Well, you're down about 50 (since our losses were pretty much 1:1 for Midway, and I had 42 there) and the 5 carriers gone bye-bye. That puts you down around 45 ships.
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| April 15, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Mmmm, yeah. Of course, with your magic air force and navy, anything is possible. I seem to recall that you said you had less than 110 ships? Well, you're down about 50 (since our losses were pretty much 1:1 for Midway, and I had 42 there) and the 5 carriers gone bye-bye. That puts you down around 45 ships.

/facepalm.

You doofus, I've only lost a total of three carriers. That still leaves four. and the losses at Midway weren't 1-1 if you lost everything and I lost 60%. And I only send a max total of 35 ships, which would be more like a 1.5-1 for me. And your estimates are highly conservative.
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| April 15, 2011, 9:47 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
/facepalm.

You doofus, I've only lost a total of three carriers. That still leaves four. and the losses at Midway weren't 1-1 if you lost everything and I lost 60%. And I only send a max total of 35 ships, which would be more like a 1.5-1 for me. And your estimates are highly conservative.

5. 1 in the Gulf of Mexico, 1 in the Sea of Cortez, and 1 just outside (as reported by the CM, and you yourself have admitted it was in flying range of the old one. Go ahead, call the CM out on that one, again.) As I recall, you lost two at Midway, not just one. Making it 5 total. If you didn't lose 2 at Midway, that makes 4. Still more than you're willing to admit.

Actually, about 8 ships escaped Midway, so it wasn't everything.

I'm talking total. Of course given your marked lack of honesty, I doubt you reported your losses under the other CMs as I did.

You might have comparable numbers of fighters left (yeah right), but you're running out of airbases to operate them off of. We've taken out every 'real' airbase you've got, and rearming to dozens of smaller operating areas would be a logistical nightmare. Not to mention the civilian airfields that have already fallen into our hands...

Oh, btw, Area 51 has some nice accommodations.
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| April 15, 2011, 9:57 pm
I had one in the Gulf of California, but it wasn't sunk. It moved out, and began heading towards the Pacific, where it was sunk. One was sunk at Midway. One was sunk in the Mexican Gulf. Three.

And the accommodations would've been nicer had we not destroyed it. Last one out, hit the lights.
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| April 15, 2011, 10:01 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

I'm not even going to argue with you on this as you are just complaining.

I laugh how you can support more than 5 carriers yet the world starts screaming when I get more than 5 carriers.

At least give me your numbers because I need them to make sure your not just making stuff up. As I want to keep track of everyone's numbers so no one can just make stuff up. So everyone send me the amount of people that you've committed to battle.
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| April 15, 2011, 10:24 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
I forgot to add: If Ultra shoots down my aircraft, my infantry will be put on immediate stand by and prepare for action in Tinian and Saipan.

What. On. Earth. That is completely random, and I have no clue what you're talking about.

That's it, your men are detained until the end of the war. You can collect them afterward. Wanted the rest of those bombers? Too bad, sale denied.

Quoting henry wang
At least give me your numbers because I need them to make sure your not just making stuff up. As I want to keep track of everyone's numbers so no one can just make stuff up. So everyone send me the amount of people that you've committed to battle.

You can go by my loss numbers, I went through and counted them. It took about 30 minutes and lots of scanning.
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| April 15, 2011, 11:02 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
What. On. Earth. That is completely random, and I have no clue what you're talking about.

That's it, your men are detained until the end of the war. You can collect them afterward. Wanted the rest of those bombers? Too bad, sale denied.

Looks like you have a problem with a little business exchange. And didn't you see? He pulled his men out.
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| April 15, 2011, 11:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Looks like you have a problem with a little business exchange. And didn't you see? He pulled his men out.

Well, easy come, easy go. I don't know how... >.>

Quoting CherokeeKly .
I forgot to add: If Ultra shoots down my aircraft, my infantry will be put on immediate stand by and prepare for action in Tinian and Saipan.

Well, otherwise, don't plan on operating your aircraft within 1,000 nmi of Wake, Hawaii, Midway, X, and Y. If they do, they go down. It's war, and everyone else has had the sense to stay away, so should you.
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| April 15, 2011, 11:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, easy come, easy go. I don't know how... >.>

I think it's something along the lines of you get more bees with honey, than vinegar.

However, you get more humans with money than you do love. That's why there is (male entertainment) day laborers standing on the street of Dallas, Texas every morning. /true story.
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| April 15, 2011, 11:39 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
However, you get more humans with money than you do love. That's why there is (male entertainment) day laborers standing on the street of Dallas, Texas every morning. /true story.

Not since I took over.

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| April 15, 2011, 11:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Not since I took over.

Shame. The Day-Laborers are a crucial part of construction in these parts. You just swing by in a truck, pick up the ones that you think are the best, and pay them when they're done. It's simple, and you don't have to contract them.

(They call me the Saver.)
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| April 15, 2011, 11:43 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
I lol'd honestly, I don't care. The fighters going to escort the ten bombers back were old Mirage 2000s. The only thing I do care about is the pilots lost (only like 15).

You're not making sense...

You only bought the two bombers. Were you honestly going to just say you bought the others and claim you took them without paying me or letting me know first?

I would never have authorized foreign fighters in my territory, since European combat aircraft in a combatant's territory would have compromised European neutrality. Did you think about that? You seriously need to work on your communication skills here. It's customary to tell the person you're dealing with the details; ALL of them. Hit the 'reply' button to make sure the other party knows, too.
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| April 16, 2011, 11:37 am
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
You said that you were detaining my men, so I assumed you were talking of French Pilots, so no, I didn't pick up my Ten B1s.

My eleven Frenchies were withdrawn two or three days ago.

So what am I supposed to do, fly a C-130 into the PCU and hope you don't shoot a SAM at it? That is what most people call a Suicide Run. I wasn't violating any peace treaties, just protecting my own FAF property.

1. They are not yours, you didn't say you wanted them (or at least didn't inform me directly if you did), so they're not your property.
2. I was going to sell you 10 total, so you'd only have gotten 8 more. And then probably only after hostilities were ended.
3. The PCU? What do they have to do with this? As long as they knew you were neutral and all. Why would you fly over their territory anyway when you could get to Texas directly?

Basically, you didn't communicate properly, and you presumed a lot of things. Just get your fighters out of my territory ASAP. Without the bombers. Next time, inform me directly when you plan on doing ANYTHING in my territory, ok? This is the second time you've just shown up and done things in my lands without telling me, and I'm getting tired of it. Cut it out.
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| April 16, 2011, 12:53 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
PCU has everything to do with it. Originally, I was going to fpy my trade into the PCU directly from Tinian. But then, we switched routes. I have no planes in WC!

That is actually a useless method of getting yourself into a bunch of trouble, as those planes are useless to the PCU. The PCU has no experience with the said aircraft or any other similar aircraft, and would therefore not know how to fly them effectively. Going to war in an airplane you haven't trained in is a ridiculous and expensive method of suicide.

And, welcome to the war. We'll hope your defenses are pretty legit, 'cuz you'll be needing them.
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| April 16, 2011, 5:14 pm
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Top UNC officials were given the message of "Beleaguered Castle" today. The officials acknowledged.

The UNC is requesting several things of Byzantium. First and foremost we wish to contact your commander in charge of the Lebanon operation to see how the situation is going, as well as how our units are doing. Secondly, we wish to make some kind of trade or purchase of frigates of your design.

Another squadron of F27s has come online, continuing the rate of 1 per week that was set a month ago. There remains only two more squadrons left to be equipped with F27s, given the cut of orders. The JAS-43 program advisers are requesting more capital investment into the program, the government has responded and is transferring funds to accommodate the program.
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| April 16, 2011, 6:04 pm
The admiralty has decided that our amphibious capabilities need to be increased. So BAE is being tasked to build 3 amphibious assault ships capable of holding at least 40 tanks and operating numerous types of aircraft. The design has already been approved, and 1 of them has already started building. The Admiralty will be calling them the London-Class and her cousins will be named after the capitals of our various regions.

BAE land systems has been tasked to build a new SAM system that can not only operate long range SAMs but also cruise missiles and upgraded supersonic harpoon ASMs. Not only that, but they are also being tasked to build better ASMs to compliment the system. Currently the entire system is just in the designing stage. But we are optimistic that the first ones will begin rolling off the production lines by later next week.
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| April 16, 2011, 8:17 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
I sent boats and UAVs to them, as said above >.>

I won't be needing defenses- I don't plan on entering this war and if I have to, I'm going to right up my orders.

X amount of UAVs and Y tons of shipping were reported shot down and sunk this afternoon off the coast of *insert whatever secret WC base of operations*...

That's what the CR will read. You can't just say "Oh, I delivered it!" when there's a war on and a blockade in effect. You really should be better informed.
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| April 16, 2011, 9:26 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
X amount of UAVs and Y tons of shipping were reported shot down and sunk this afternoon off the coast of *insert whatever secret WC base of operations*...

That's what the CR will read. You can't just say "Oh, I delivered it!" when there's a war on and a blockade in effect. You really should be better informed.

Note: He's not flying them into your airspace, and they aren't being used in this war. So it's not worth your while to destroy them.
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| April 16, 2011, 9:57 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Note: He's not flying them into your airspace, and they aren't being used in this war. So it's not worth your while to destroy them.

Note: I don't care.

I believe I have made myself clear in the past: "Anything going in or out of the PCU is to be intercepted." Anything. My airspace or not, I don't care, it goes down. Rather black and white, pretty simple to remember.

The only exception we made was for the humanitarian aid.
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| April 16, 2011, 10:33 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I believe I have made myself clear in the past: "Anything going in or out of the PCU is to be intercepted." Anything. My airspace or not, I don't care, it goes down. Rather black and white, pretty simple to remember.

To think, this is the same guy who raised a stink over "anything that isn't Asian gets shot down".

-=-=-=-=-

Speaking of shooting down:
The first production prototypes of our new interceptor may or or may not be nearing completion. As well, the interceptor itself may or may not have completed the design process. Parts may or may not be being manufactured in secret underground bases that may or may not exist, the whole project may or may not have been disinformation, and we may or may not be throwing out a huge load of lies to distract from the activities of our allies, who may or may not be up to something which may or may not cause problems for someone who may or may not be in France. We also may or may not have come up with an ASAT weapon, and may or may not have experimented with the effects of a hypersonic kinetic projectile on surface naval craft.

Addendum: any allegations that we strafed infiltrators along the Uzbek border are lies and slander.
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| April 16, 2011, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
To think, this is the same guy who raised a stink over "anything that isn't Asian gets shot down".

Oh, see this is me. And it's not that, this is war. You were just interfering where you had no business...
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| April 16, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Oh, see this is me. And it's not that, this is war. You were just interfering where you had no business...

What, like you and Korea?
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| April 16, 2011, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
What, like you and Korea?

Like me and nothing. Seriously, can't you get it through your head that I was the most junior partner you could get in that alliance? I might have had the biggest impact, but still.

I was...mislead, to say the least. Japan probably wasn't the best thing I could have done; though it seems the only people who care about that around here aren't the parties affected.

What do you want? A written apology? Not getting one. We all overreacted on that one, so what? We (well, most of us it appears) got over it and moved on. You attacked me, and you'd think you'd be willing to accept the consequences (though you wouldn't be the only one that thinks himself greatly maligned in such a case). What did you think I was going to do? Roll over and take it?
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| April 16, 2011, 11:16 pm
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Today the keels of two Resolve-class Aircraft Carriers were laid in Finland's shipyards. Members of the media attempted to discover who ordered it (as the UNC 2011 fiscal year budget did not make arrangements for 2 Carriers), but the Chairman of Defense refused to comment stating simply that an order had been made.

Due to their keels being laid in the large Finnish shipyards, the first batch of 5 Byzantium Frigates has been moved to Swedish and Norwegian Yards, with one still being made in Finland.
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| April 16, 2011, 11:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
What do you want? A written apology? Not getting one. We all overreacted on that one, so what? We (well, most of us it appears) got over it and moved on. You attacked me, and you'd think you'd be willing to accept the consequences (though you wouldn't be the only one that thinks himself greatly maligned in such a case). What did you think I was going to do? Roll over and take it?

I think the sooner the CMs start reading their inboxes, the better.

Now, attacking people has consequences. Time for you to accept that. You attacked Brendan, I retaliated. And yes, I did. You deliberately killed ~200,000 of his citizens with no reason at all, and you gave ~2000 of yours as payment. A paltry sum, in comparison. Could have ended there, but you decided you were going to throw a tantrum, and there will be a second payment required for that.

-==-==-

WHAT alliance?
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| April 16, 2011, 11:42 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I think the sooner the CMs start reading their inboxes, the better.

Now, attacking people has consequences. Time for you to accept that. You attacked Brendan, I retaliated. And yes, I did. You deliberately killed ~200,000 of his citizens with no reason at all, and you gave ~2000 of yours as payment. A paltry sum, in comparison. Could have ended there, but you decided you were going to throw a tantrum, and there will be a second payment required for that.

I accept consequences, and I probably would have tolerated Japan retaliating, but not you. Now, you're attempting to preside over me in judgment, which isn't kosher. You're not willing to accept the consequences of your actions now, naughty, naughty!

There is not a snowflake's chance in Vulcan's Forge that you'd have men in my territory AGAIN.

All borders are warzones, dock security was taken over by the Coast Guard, and there are still no more international flights. The only infiltration teams that were put into my territory have been dealt with.

It's open hunting season for muslims, pretty much, since they went on the warpath. Their numbers in the public have gone down to the low single percentages, and the numbers in prisons (and in the morgue) has risen significantly. Good luck getting operatives from them. Any of them brave enough to pick up a gun is dead. Any coward is too, er, cowardly to do anything.

But this discussion is immaterial, you cannot enter the conflict due to your former position as CM. You know too much, I wouldn't stand a chance.
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| April 17, 2011, 12:03 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
You know too much, I wouldn't stand a chance.

Why is that?
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| April 17, 2011, 12:49 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Why is that?

Don't pretend you don't know why.
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| April 17, 2011, 12:50 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Don't pretend you don't know why.

I don't recall coming across anything in the various order FMs which would be of interest to the OVB.
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| April 17, 2011, 12:52 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
I don't recall coming across anything in the various order FMs which would be of interest to the OVB.

OVB? Apparently (not surprising, considering the amount of dropped orders there were) you didn't read them very carefully.
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| April 17, 2011, 12:57 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
OVB? Apparently (not surprising, considering the amount of dropped orders there were) you didn't read them very carefully.

No wonder you're yet to find a CM who'll put up with you for more than 3-4 CRs.

"The CM didn't go through all my older FMs looking for the single line of text that would change the outcome of an enemy assault on my supply depots! Oh woe is me!"
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| April 17, 2011, 1:02 am
Quoting CherokeeKly .
I sent boats and UAVs to them, as said above >.>

I won't be needing defenses- I don't plan on entering this war and if I have to, I'm going to right up my orders.

Maybe you don't realize this, but you have entered the war. That's what happens when you supply a faction with free equipment. It's now in our best interest to destroy your capability of doing so.

That said, I don't want to spend the extra money to attack a country halfway across the world, so I personally don't intend to do anything unless you take further action for the PCU. Watch your step. Trust me, you don't wanna get roped into this.
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| April 17, 2011, 1:07 am
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
^Well, to put it simply, I'm not going to be the country to break that neutrality of Europe. I did have a pretty good pre emptive strike going, but I'm glad I won't need it.


Preemptive on who? Ultra or people in Europe? For your own sake, I hope it was the former.
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| April 17, 2011, 10:19 am
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Due to the rather untimely commissioning for the construction of 96 UACs, several large-capacity civilian factories [in coordination with public-stock factories] have been hired to fulfill the order in a timely matter. Due to our military's former order for some 80-some-odd units in the past, the modular construction has been nailed. We hope to have at least twelve done within one and half to two weeks' time; of course these are the cold-tool models, so they'll be the most delayed batch.

The eight frigates meant to be built in our own territory have been organized for pair-construction. The keels for the first two vessels will be lain down sometime next week after all the proper construction scheduling has been organized; no time to waste. Of course all weaponry, electronics, and other defenses [including the now standardized electromagnetic armor panels] shall be of Russian make; therefore, reducing the time it takes to outfit the vessels properly.

Still on the notice of ships, two more home built GMDs were released into the sea after being built under restricted eyes. The security was more of counter-intelligence article so our semi-hostile regional neighbors didn't get fired up over the "balance of power" subject. The trials for the vessels are already underway.

In other news, the Union State lost another twelve men in Ukraine today. A rogue aircraft managed to breech our air defenses in-theatre and later fell out of the sky due to reasons presently unknown. Of course the plane managed to spray a light-skinned convoy with its shrapnel leaving Russian blood embedded in the ground. Because of this ghastly event, Union State air coverage has been increased with any and all military aircraft not belonging to us being shot-down after being properly warned and coaxed to land.
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| April 17, 2011, 12:43 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
No wonder you're yet to find a CM who'll put up with you for more than 3-4 CRs.

"The CM didn't go through all my older FMs looking for the single line of text that would change the outcome of an enemy assault on my supply depots! Oh woe is me!"

^Funny, considering I mentioned it in almost every set of orders...

There has not been one CM in this war (other than you) that I have had this trouble with, and none of the former ones have quit because of my complaining (illustrated by one of them coming back around, except maybe Ham), so your premise is flawed. You yourself admitted that I had reason to complain. Forgive me for laughing at you (about this) when your response to my questions was "I'm too lazy to get around to that." Don't tell me that you took the time to read through them, you're just using your dislike for me as a cover for your own ineptitude.

Well, there was also the fact that an attack was carried out by nonexistent hyperfalcons on my ICBM facilities. Remember that one? I found it interesting that the CR that said no more hyperfalcons were in the Americas and the CR that said my facilities were attacked was only 2 apart; you'd think that would have rung a bell or two.

Basically, a few things:
1. I showed great restraint the last time around, I will not in the future.
2. I could quite literally destroy your entire country (effectively anyhow, at least until this group is so inactive it won't make a difference) and I am tempted to do so, as you will only keep pursuing your twisted and misguided revenge rampage.
Think what you will, but I would think that a 2nd world country with a mere fraction of my capabilities, would be more careful.
If you persist, it will only serve your hurt. Bang your head against this wall, for that is what you are doing. When will you understand that there is nothing more you could do to me that I could not magnify against you 100 times? What satisfaction will you have when you've slapped me in the face and I pull out a gun and shoot you? I am perplexed that you will be willing to perish completely just to inflict a few 'paltry' losses on me. How do you justify that logically?

On a personal note, your continued attacks and threats are waring on my nerves, and I'm *this* close to making you go away as a matter of personal convenience. I detest insurgencies, they're so...cliche, but much more waring that open attacks. Think about it, hard.

Quoting CherokeeKly .
^Well, to put it simply, I'm not going to be the country to break that neutrality of Europe. I did have a pretty good pre emptive strike going, but I'm glad I won't need it.

Trust me, you're still going to need it. Those UAVs, C-130s, and ships all have to go through the CM because of the blockade. You'll be lucky if any of them survive the day because we will shoot them down. We're not particular about whose flag is on what. If it is going into the PCU and it doesn't turn around, it goes to the ocean floor. I'd suggest you either take everything back, or draft your orders, sir.
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| April 17, 2011, 3:58 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
Ultra

Bring it.
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| April 17, 2011, 7:24 pm
The PCU would tell the Western Confederation's leader to calm himself, but their Leader has already shown that he can't do that. So, for now, we just wish to inform France to not announce things like that to the group anymore.
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| April 17, 2011, 8:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
So, for now, we just wish to inform France to not announce things like that to the group anymore.

...but to inform the CM instead.
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| April 17, 2011, 8:20 pm
Hey France, stay out of this or you'll be losing a rather large piece of land close to me.

Anyway, this week in the SC:
- Production of IF-15s continues, possible VTOL variant will be in design.
- We're definitely not testing missiles in the Brazilian Highlands.
- Drug crackdowns around Venezuela and elseware.
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| April 17, 2011, 8:55 pm
In the PCU...

The PCU has granted production rights of the MVT-1 Milatio to the government of Egypt, as we have a pre-arranged agreement on them.

On the snow-capped peaks of -----, a photographer took the following pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5629810426/in/photostream
The PCU does not confirm or deny that this is the XVT-1. >.> <.<

The PCU does however, wish that interested and uninterested parties alike drop in some criticism.
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| April 17, 2011, 9:25 pm
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Here's the Western Confederation's position on the France situation:

-The blockade is a matter of the allies' national defense. Breaching or attempting to breach the blockade is a direct act of aggression.
-Attempting to breach the blockade with combat aircraft is considered an act of war. Even if it is just with escorting aircraft.
-You will not be fired upon, yet you will not be allowed to penetrate the blockade. If you do not fire, we will not fire, but we will not let you through.

So, you have a few options:
1. Breach the blockade and enter the war by doing so.
2. Don't, and take everything that you were going to send to the PCU home with you.
3. Send your stuff through ('cause it hasn't gone through yet, we're still waiting for the CMs to come back) without caring what happens to them and prep consolation letters for all the families.

We await your reply.
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| April 17, 2011, 9:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Here's the Western Confederation's position on the France situation:

-The blockade is a matter of the allies' national defense. Breaching or attempting to breach the blockade is a direct act of aggression.
-Attempting to breach the blockade with combat aircraft is considered an act of war. Even if it is just with escorting aircraft.
-You will not be fired upon, yet you will not be allowed to penetrate the blockade. If you do not fire, we will not fire, but we will not let you through.

So, you have a few options:
1. Breach the blockade and enter the war by doing so.
2. Don't, and take everything that you were going to send to the PCU home with you.
3. Send your stuff through ('cause it hasn't gone through yet, we're still waiting for the CMs to come back) without caring what happens to them and prep consolation letters for all the families.

We await your reply.

I think it's funny that the WC has enough ships for a Blockade after we handed their butts to them at the Battle of Midway. /head held high.

I also think it's funny that the WC thinks that France is delivering vehicles to me. Maybe they are delivering it to someone who can make a better use of them, I just paid for it. A red herring, you might say?
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| April 17, 2011, 9:33 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I think it's funny that the WC has enough ships for a Blockade after we handed their butts to them at the Battle of Midway. /head held high.

Who said anything about ships?

Quoting Nick Shelton
I also think it's funny that the WC thinks that France is delivering vehicles to me. Maybe they are delivering it to someone who can make a better use of them, I just paid for it. A red herring, you might say?

Too bad. I love the way you're trying to throw smoke around...

...that's usually the way I do things. You learn well, young Padawan.
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| April 17, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Too bad. I love the way you're trying to throw smoke around...

...that's usually the way I do things. You learn well, young Padawan.

Smoking, just the way I like it.

And I'm just saying. Cliffe could use some boats and some UAVs.
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| April 17, 2011, 9:42 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Smoking, just the way I like it.

And I'm just saying. Cliffe could use some boats and some UAVs.

He's in Egypt. Last time I took World Geography, Egypt wasn't in the Pacific. Of course, with what they're teaching you kids in school these days, Egypt could be anywhere. Wait, maybe that's why their ships made it there so fast last time? >.>
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| April 17, 2011, 9:49 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
He's in Egypt. Last time I took World Geography, Egypt wasn't in the Pacific. Of course, with what they're teaching you kids in school these days, Egypt could be anywhere. Wait, maybe that's why their ships made it there so fast last time? >.>

Boats, they fit in planes. Planes can fly from France to Egypt.


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| April 17, 2011, 9:50 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Boats, they fit in planes. Planes can fly from France to Egypt.

Great! So, how does that involve you, and Kly thinking I would (or could, considering I have nothing in that theater, and everyone knows it) shoot his planes down? Why would he be flying them out of Sipan or whatever he calls it? Ergo, must be Pacific, and it must be you.

Otherwise, you would have said that in the first place. Instead, you tried to say it wouldn't "Be used in this war." Never try to change a story, it can be traced.
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| April 17, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Great! So, how does that involve you, and Kly thinking I would (or could, considering I have nothing in that theater, and everyone knows it) shoot his planes down? Why would he be flying them out of Sipan or whatever he calls it? Ergo, must be Pacific, and it must be you.

Otherwise, you would have said that in the first place. Instead, you tried to say it wouldn't "Be used in this war." Never try to change a story, it can be traced.

Because Kly is silly, and doesn't know that Africa is in the Pacific, or that's what I gathered from talking to him.

And I'm well and all serious, I can't use UAVs in this war. They'd have to be flown through hostile territory, and since they don't carry weapons, I can't use them to my advantage.
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| April 17, 2011, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Because Kly is silly, and doesn't know that Africa is in the Pacific, or that's what I gathered from talking to him.

And I'm well and all serious, I can't use UAVs in this war. They'd have to be flown through hostile territory, and since they don't carry weapons, I can't use them to my advantage.

Not buying it. At all. We shall see.

We await France's reply to our ultimatum.
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| April 17, 2011, 10:15 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
He's in Egypt. Last time I took World Geography, Egypt wasn't in the Pacific. Of course, with what they're teaching you kids in school these days, Egypt could be anywhere. Wait, maybe that's why their ships made it there so fast last time? >.>

Ahem...
You are at most ten years older than me, there are books in my classes older than that, what we are being taught has nothing to do with Nick's ...err... problems.
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| April 17, 2011, 10:57 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Ahem...
You are at most ten years older than me, there are books in my classes older than that, what we are being taught has nothing to do with Nick's ...err... problems.

I don't know about that. In some schools, 2+2=5, if you say it with a tremulous enough voice and look like you might cry if the teacher says no. Might hurt your delicate psychie (sp), you know.
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| April 17, 2011, 11:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
CRs, etcetera.

If a whole continent's trying to wipe itself off the map, it's a bit odd that people expect just one or two CMs to be able to keep track of absolutely everything, including 2-3 CRs in the past.

Quoting Ultramarine .
2. I could quite literally destroy your entire country (effectively anyhow, at least until this group is so inactive it won't make a difference) and I am tempted to do so, as you will only keep pursuing your twisted and misguided revenge rampage.
Think what you will, but I would think that a 2nd world country with a mere fraction of my capabilities, would be more careful.
If you persist, it will only serve your hurt. Bang your head against this wall, for that is what you are doing. When will you understand that there is nothing more you could do to me that I could not magnify against you 100 times? What satisfaction will you have when you've slapped me in the face and I pull out a gun and shoot you? I am perplexed that you will be willing to perish completely just to inflict a few 'paltry' losses on me. How do you justify that logically?

It's called being really really stubborn, and not liking bullies.

Quoting Ultramarine .
On a personal note, your continued attacks and threats are waring on my nerves, and I'm *this* close to making you go away as a matter of personal convenience. I detest insurgencies, they're so...cliche, but much more waring that open attacks. Think about it, hard.

Good luck trying. The unstable parts of the population were drawn out by Cliffe's little "jihad" and promptly torn to shreds. Oh, yes; and there's a couple of recent laws that says foreigners aren't allowed outside except in groups and with an armed escort.


--
But it's all academic, since the CMs have done a runner.
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| April 17, 2011, 11:47 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
You better lift that blockade, or bye-bye Hawaii.

...This promises to be amusing.
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| April 18, 2011, 8:45 am
Quoting CherokeeKly .

I'm not breaching any neutrality. I'm not sending my stuff back, because it has already arrived. You don't even know my route, they arrived on Saturday. You better lift that blockade, or bye-bye Hawaii.

Tell me, the CM what you sent, and tell me in a FM as your orders. I'll decide if they make it or not. Next time you do something that has anything to do with the war, you tell me in a FM and I'll include it in the CR.
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| April 18, 2011, 11:35 am
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Quoting CherokeeKly .

I'm not breaching any neutrality. I'm not sending my stuff back, because it has already arrived. You don't even know my route, they arrived on Saturday. You better lift that blockade, or bye-bye Hawaii.

I don't need to know your route. I just know (as do the CMs) that there is no chance you could have gotten through because of the, shall we say, expansive nature of the blockade and the complete inability of your aircraft to go around it.

Hehehehe, this should be fun, seeing how neophytes fight.

Quoting CherokeeKly .
I am not fighting a war of expansionism against you, Ultra. I'm not wasting men and kit.

Well, you'll waste anything you try to send to the PCU, that's for sure.
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| April 18, 2011, 12:42 pm
Governor Shelton transmitted a rare speech over PCU military channels, and through some embedded channels left behind by the Egyptians, through some of the WC's.


"On this day, as our enemy's Navy burns away in the Pacific, as their bodies lie broken in our streets, we are once again reminded of the depths of their depravity. My people, Sons and Daughters of the Union, this much I vow: the history of these days will be written in blood. By crushing the armies of our enemies, by seizing the weapons they thought to turn against us, we are fighting for our very own existence. But if there are those who would deny us peace, refuse us our rightful place in the World, then we will unleash such terrible vengeance that generations unborn will cry out in anguish. The enemy may shatter our spirits, but they will never break our bodies. Even now, they advance on our homeland to take by force what they cannot earn by right. They cannot imagine what awaits them. We will smite the invaders from our land. Though they sweep over our lands like the sands of winter, never again will we bow before them; never again endure their oppression; never again endure their tyranny. We will strike without warning and without mercy, fighting as one body, one heart, one soul. We will shatter their dreams and haunt their nightmares, drenching our ancestors' graves with their blood. And as our last breath tears at their lungs; as we rise again from the ruins of our cities... they will know, the Pacific Union belongs to the Pacificans. All these years I have been humbled by the honor to lead you. Ever, EVER onwards! From this day. Till the end of days!

Then, the special Channels shut off.

In PCU News, the PCU released an update to the invaders. If they thought the PCU treated minorities badly, why is there no mention of concentration camps, or horrid ghettos, strewn throughout Idaho and Nevada? Where is the cotton fields where our African-Americans frolic? The answer is nowhere. The PCU never mis-treated minorities, or favored other races over them. The simple accusation of such has brought hatred upon the accusers by the PCU Senate.
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| April 18, 2011, 5:48 pm
Can one moderator PLEASE pass my wall of text? It's rather important to me.
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| April 18, 2011, 5:56 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Can one moderator PLEASE pass my wall of text? It's rather important to me.

I just allowed the longest one in the list . . .
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| April 18, 2011, 6:42 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I just allowed the longest one in the list . . .

Merci.
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| April 18, 2011, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
In PCU News, the PCU released an update to the invaders. If they thought the PCU treated minorities badly, why is there no mention of concentration camps, or horrid ghettos, strewn throughout Idaho and Nevada? Where is the cotton fields where our African-Americans frolic? The answer is nowhere. The PCU never mis-treated minorities, or favored other races over them. The simple accusation of such has brought hatred upon the accusers by the PCU Senate.


>.>

<.<

Right, we aren't doing that stuff either. Not at all.

In China:
-Production of things goes ever, ever onward.
-Defenses are now at 100% operating capacity should they be needed.
-Qinghai re-secured, rebels either dead or dieing.
-Still waiting to see where this American adventure is going to go.
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| April 18, 2011, 7:00 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .

I'm not breaching any neutrality. I'm not sending my stuff back, because it has already arrived. You don't even know my route, they arrived on Saturday. You better lift that blockade, or bye-bye Hawaii.

Watch your step in Hawaii. That's in Alaskan airspace coverage, as some of it is ours. It's covered by all three allied members of the war in the Pacific. You'll be dealing with equipment and weaponry that you don't want to deal with.

It is impossible for your aircraft to have landed Saturday in the PCU unless you were given direct permission from Jake.

That blockade is a part of the allied war machine. It's not going bye-bye. You want it to go bye-bye, you'll have to try and make it go bye-bye.

Now quit your aggressive/intrusive behavior or else you'll regrett it. You're not gonna get anything out of this anyway. You're just wasting your economy for no logical reason.
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| April 18, 2011, 8:05 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The WCHC released a statement to the populace of the WC after the PCU propaganda was done(which would have been allowed to watch it freely, because we have freedoms here) saying:

"By a cruel twist of fate, our fleet was defeated off the island of Midway (as was previously announced). However, the enemy lost 37% of their entire fleet and significant numbers of enemy fighters were lost because of ineptitude on the part of their commanders. Our fleet survives, and is regaining strength. While the battle was costly, it was greatly successful in helping to win the Pacific into allied hands firmly. We have mastery of the air wherever we turn. Our forces grow stronger, while the enemy is left to whither on the vine. Their men will soon be starving and dying where they cower in the mountains."

"They profess nobleness, while they have slaughtered our young men in the streets. What, other than kindness, have we shown their prisoners? Do we return our enemies' favor upon their heads? No, indeed not. For in doing so, we would die ourselves."

For the rest, as they say, the winners write the history books.

Anyway, three ranking members of the HC visited the front lines around the northern areas where tens of thousands of men from the Army Group North have stalled in their fighting and are performing recon missions. Refitting and rearming is proceeding for the men to keep them ready for expected counterattacks in the area. Fresh troops by the dozens, drawn from strategic reserve units, are replacing the losses of the heavy fighting. Morale remains high, with news of victories everywhere. They are fierce fighters now that they know capture means certain death, and they show the alarming tendency toward not taking prisoners of the enemy; though they are being warned to adhere at all times to the Geneva Accords.

The constant training of the three infantry and one armored regiment has come to a sudden halt, causing rumors to start in earnest as to where they are going and what will happen. Rumors saying anything from deployment to the Canadian front to an amphibious invasion of Taiwan or Indonesia to an all-out assault on the Chinese mainland are flying around. Some of the more self-assured ones, or those with 'reliable sources' have started reading up on Mandarin.

As for the end of the war and our economy considerations, the nay-sayers are out there for sure. Forecasters, however, are much more optimistic, feeling that the Western Confederation will recover as marvelously (one could say magically) and quickly as China's did. Seriously though, the WC has been transformed from a service to a manufacture and raw materials economy in the past 6 months, giving us a strong foundation.

Oh, yes, one more thing. The Idaho volunteers have formed their own regiment and will be finishing training shortly. They stand as a testament to the death of the PCU ideals. Seems they love freedom!
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| April 18, 2011, 8:06 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Rumors saying anything from deployment to the Canadian front to an amphibious invasion of Taiwan or Indonesia to an all-out assault on the Chinese mainland are flying around. Some of the more self-assured ones, or those with 'reliable sources' have started reading up on Mandarin.


I have more men of fighting age than you do souls in your entire country. Bring it on, little American. We will become the stuff of nightmare for your soldiers.
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| April 18, 2011, 8:37 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I have more men of fighting age than you do souls in your entire country. Bring it on, little American. We will become the stuff of nightmare for your soldiers.

Yeah, and I'd say we're about equally matched with ICBM capability. We'll see, though, cause history shows westerners fight better than easterners. Not bigoted in any way, just look how a tiny island no larger than Colorado was almost able to control the entire globe. In fact, lots of little countries controlled great swathes of other lands, and often it's been against equivalent technologies. In fact, I'm only aware of a few instances where westerners were beaten; Cannae and Thermopylae. There was of course the Ottoman Empire (choosing an example of a successful eastern empire to occupy western lands), but that eventually fell as well. Whereas many western empires were remarkably successful against vastly superior numbers (like Alexander) and carried the day.

That's why you need so many men, to make up for the 1-to-5 losses you'll be taking.
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| April 18, 2011, 8:47 pm
In addition to their earlier comments, the PCU Senate has informed the Ruler of the Western Confederation that only a total of three WC prisoners were killed. The rest are being contained.

The PCU does not confirm or deny the release of mission orders to a select few soldiers.
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| April 18, 2011, 8:47 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
In addition to their earlier comments, the PCU Senate has informed the Ruler of the Western Confederation that only a total of three WC prisoners were killed. The rest are being contained.

Which one? There are over 20 'rulers' of the WC.

Hmm, must be a short road to Portland then. Seems to me you were counting off the miles with them. Again, stop changing your story!

And I'd like to remind you that, since I am advancing and you are retreating, that I must have about 5x as many POWs as you do (since the CMs haven't said anything on that topic; so 5x however many or few you have), so I'd watch your step.
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| April 18, 2011, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, and I'd say we're about equally matched with ICBM capability. We'll see, though, cause history shows westerners fight better than easterners. Not bigoted in any way, just look how a tiny island no larger than Colorado was almost able to control the entire globe. In fact, lots of little countries controlled great swathes of other lands, and often it's been against equivalent technologies. In fact, I'm only aware of a few instances where westerners were beaten; Cannae and Thermopylae. There was of course the Ottoman Empire (choosing an example of a successful eastern empire to occupy western lands), but that eventually fell as well. Whereas many western empires were remarkably successful against vastly superior numbers (like Alexander) and carried the day.

That's why you need so many men, to make up for the 1-to-5 losses you'll be taking.


You would kill innocent people needlessly, wouldn't you? Well, I'm expecting that, that's why I've got as many counter measures to defend me people as I can get a hold of. Westerners fought better because they had guns, they had steel, and they had steam power. You equalize the technology, and we'll see who fights better. It was not with equal technology. Lets recall the Ayyubuids against the Crusaders, or the Qing against the Russians (17th century, not 19th). Or more recently, Vietnam and Korea. I won't be taking 5-to-1 losses, in fact, I expect most of your men will die upon landing or shortly after. I've been fortifying against invasion since the Pacific War began, combat mods from Tom to Areetsa to Matt to Henry/Ham to Henry/Tom can testify to this. Maybe not Henry.

I say again, bring it on.

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| April 18, 2011, 9:02 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton
In addition to their earlier comments, the PCU Senate has informed the Ruler of the Western Confederation that only a total of three WC prisoners were killed. The rest are being contained.

Which one? There are over 20 'rulers' of the WC.

Hmm, must be a short road to Portland then. Seems to me you were counting off the miles with them. Again, stop changing your story!

And I'd like to remind you that, since I am advancing and you are retreating, that I must have about 5x as many POWs as you do (since the CMs haven't said anything on that topic; so 5x however many or few you have), so I'd watch your step.

The Senate is lying, we did do it.

And I'm not retreating. I'm holding my ground. And the official order was to move back, and die before surrender. So, your POW count is safely at the count of 0.
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| April 18, 2011, 9:07 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You would kill innocent people needlessly, wouldn't you? Well, I'm expecting that, that's why I've got as many counter measures to defend me people as I can get a hold of.

Nope, I wouldn't. Just making my point clear, we are now on MAD status. Dare you to move.

In case you haven't noticed, my last use of the hades-weapons was 2/3 against military targets (which are much more strategic) and only 1/3 against civilians to retaliate for my losses.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Westerners fought better because they had guns, they had steel, and they had steam power. You equalize the technology, and we'll see who fights better. It was not with equal technology. Lets recall the Ayyubuids against the Crusaders, or the Qing against the Russians (17th century, not 19th). Or more recently, Vietnam and Korea.

Yep, I know Vietnam; over 1,000,000 VC/NV to about 47,500 US troops.
Korea: 1.5 million Chinese/NK to about 55,000 US/UN (excluding SK). You're illustrating my point very well here.
I would classify Russia as eastern, since, well 75% of their country is past the Urals (maybe not by population, but otherwise). Not always, Alexander had the same materials as his enemies, with significantly fewer men. England fought and surmounted the Mughal Empire (in a few skirmishes), which had equivalent tech and significantly more men than the British. Notice a trend here?

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I won't be taking 5-to-1 losses, in fact, I expect most of your men will die upon landing or shortly after. I've been fortifying against invasion since the Pacific War began, combat mods from Tom to Areetsa to Matt to Henry/Ham to Henry/Tom can testify to this. Maybe not Henry.

I say again, bring it on.

Fortifications are obsolete in the modern world of warfare.

Just keep looking over your shoulder...

Quoting Nick Shelton
And I'm not retreating. I'm holding my ground. And the official order was to move back, and die before surrender. So, your POW count is safely at the count of 0.

If you're holding your ground, then why am I advancing? You forgot to read the last CR again, didn't you?

Yeah, I'm totally convinced of that one, isn't everyone else? I mean, we all know that soldiers will follow a despot's orders to the last, just like the Japanese did! Wait, we captured lots of them as prisoners too...Hmm

>.>

Fine, I'm officially declaring that you have none of my prisoners either! /stickstongueout
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| April 18, 2011, 9:18 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

Of course, I wouldn't get any PoWs now, when we're in a stalemate, but at the beginning of the war I got several.

And I like how I'm accused of having no political freedoms on my country. I let my people elect their own Senators, which is like the Advisory Unit to the Governor. They cast their own laws, but I can cast them too. They have power, but we have more.

And I'm not retreating, nor are you advancing at the moment.
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| April 18, 2011, 9:31 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


I dare you to move first. My conflict is across the sea, if you want to bring it over here, stop saying and act.

Alexander crushed Persia because the Persian style of rule was causing ceaseless rebellions in the provinces, instability doomed them. When the Sassanids made the Persian comeback, they fought all the way to Egypt and Constantinople before being turned back by Heraclius. The Mughals and Qing (Not on equal tech, despite what you may think. Maybe in weapons, but not in industrial capacity, which is where it counts) were disintegrating as the British arrived, the Japanese were not. Thus, the Japanese were not colonized or sphere of influence'd.

Fortifications are not obsolete, as long as you do not have the means to get around them. I'm not talking a big wall here, I speak of something else. Nay, I don't think I'll need to look over my shoulder, I'm safe. Areetsa and Danny don't have the power to launch a successful invasion, Erik's too inactive, and you're too far away. Japan would start off strong against me, but he too would fail in the end.

Any invasion you send to me will end in tragedy. You are too few, too far, and too stretched out. But as I keep telling you: Stop talking, start doing.
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| April 18, 2011, 9:37 pm
The first Rapier 2 Missile systems are finishing production. This missile platform will be one of the most premier SAM and land based cruise missile launching system in the world. Currently all Patriot and Rapier missile systems are being replaced by this.

On another note, Mozambique has agreed to enter a defensive pact with The Commonwealth. We have agreed to defend them from any sort of future attack or invasion. Meaning that any invasion on them will mean I'm at war with you. In return they are allowing us to build two airbases and a naval air station.
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| April 18, 2011, 9:56 pm
The day Americans invade China is the day I make an appeal to the Admins. Just putting that out there.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:02 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Ultra, prepare to get most of your landing forces annihilated by Chinese and Japanese ships and aircraft. I beat you in Korea, and I can do it again defending my fellow Asians.

I was never in Korea, and when I fought over your airspace against you, I must say I always enjoyed great successes. Just ask Awe.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Where in the middle of the American west is there all those resources? I'm not saying it's not there, I'm just curious.

I just saw this and I thought I'd correct it.
Obviously you've been listening to too much liberal blather about running out of oil or you'd know where too. I know where, and I've said it openly in past ICFs. I think I'll let you google or look through it to see yourself.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, Nick uses alternate energy sources for his land vehicles. What oil he has is used for aircraft fuel.

So? He's running out of that then. And where did he get that much in the first place? He had the Gulf up until early Feb, but then I took those away. He has nowhere else to get it from, he's cut off everywhere.

What is his population using? Golf carts? If he wants his economy to grind to a halt, then he'll could drain all the gas out of his people's cars and do that.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
As for factories, how do you support the fact that he doesn't have as many? How do you have so many? Most American factories are in the east, the west is mostly just huge fields covered in railroad tracks.

I don't know how many he's got, I just know that no matter how many I've destroyed, he magically has many more that make up for it.

Me? You weren't here in the beginning when I started the massive projects, and I'm not going to tell you now.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Of course, I wouldn't get any PoWs now, when we're in a stalemate, but at the beginning of the war I got several.

When? Are you forgetting the 10-15 pilots of yours that I'm entertaining from your absurd attack on the oil rigs that also cost you a carrier? I suppose all those men drown, eh?

Quoting Nick Shelton
And I'm not retreating, nor are you advancing at the moment.

I was 'yesterday' and I will be 'today' until the CM says otherwise. ''-relative time according to the CRs.
Let's see...
"The WC made some major gains in Nevada and Canada recently."
and
"...his force stopped several miles outside of Hope, BC..." <-about 25-30 miles progress there in a single day...
and
"In Nevada, WC forces are now approaching the Sierra Nevada Mountains."
Sure sounds like a stalemate to me alright. That was 'yesterday.'
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| April 18, 2011, 10:04 pm
It is a stalemate if you're not WINNING. I still think the best course of action for you would be to go home, and forget anything ever happened, or prepare to lose more than half your population and lose everything you've gained. Just a thought.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:09 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
It is a stalemate if you're not WINNING. I still think the best course of action for you would be to go home, and forget anything ever happened, or prepare to lose more than half your population and lose everything you've gained. Just a thought.

I think if he does that you would be so bankrupt because your entire economy is just the military. Your population has been conscripted and your people have very few resources left. I think it would be in his benefit to leave and just let you drown in debt and being incapable of doing anything.

So yes you could call it a tactical victory for you, but it would definitely be a strategic one for him. You just will be incapable of doing anything. Not to mention that from here on out I will be keeping track of numbers so your forces will begin to run out of equipment because I think that you have lost more than the 500 tanks that you claim to have and your air force is definitely non-existent.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
It is a stalemate if you're not WINNING. I still think the best course of action for you would be to go home, and forget anything ever happened, or prepare to lose more than half your population and lose everything you've gained. Just a thought.

We are WINNING. Alaska is closing in in the north, you've lost the Pacific, Baja is now mine, and I'm advancing on all fronts.

You have nothing more you could use against me with biological weapons. You didn't even have the musthard gas you used last time. I could destroy more than half your population (those remaining, now that I've got nearly a quarter of them) because I have the means, not you. You have nothing left to do it with.

Unless you want an all-out last hurrah charge like the Germans did.

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| April 18, 2011, 10:20 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
We are WINNING.


And we're bi-winning.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:29 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

And we're bi-winning.

cause that's how I roll
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| April 18, 2011, 10:30 pm
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Quoting henry wang
cause that's how I roll

Win here, win there, win, win everywhere!
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| April 18, 2011, 10:30 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Win here, win there, win, win everywhere!

I just have one gear...GO!
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| April 18, 2011, 10:31 pm
Quoting henry wang
I just have one gear...GO!

I've got the Adonis DNA!
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| April 18, 2011, 10:32 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
We are WINNING. Alaska is closing in in the north, you've lost the Pacific, Baja is now mine, and I'm advancing on all fronts.


You do not control the Pacific. And you're not advancing on all fronts.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:34 pm
HORSE'S BLOOD.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:35 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Nay, I don't think I'll need to look over my shoulder, I'm safe. Areetsa and Danny don't have the power to launch a successful invasion, Erik's too inactive, and you're too far away. Japan would start off strong against me, but he too would fail in the end.

Also, I'm not Cliffe. I don't suffer from Chronic Backstabbing Disorder.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Also, I'm not Cliffe. I don't suffer from Chronic Backstabbing Disorder.


Or that's what you want us to think... /Xanatos Gambit


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| April 18, 2011, 10:43 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Or that's what you want us to think... /Xanatos Gambit

Any Xanatos Gambit that involves alienating the second most powerful state in the region is a bad idea.
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| April 18, 2011, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Any Xanatos Gambit that involves alienating the second most powerful state in the region is a bad idea.


A very bad idea. And invading it from across the world is a pretty bad idea too.
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| April 18, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You do not control the Pacific. And you're not advancing on all fronts.

Well, all but, and enough for our purposes. Again, pretty much. Like the CR says, you're pretty well spent. Might not be starving, but you'll eat your heels for a few days while you try to get your rear areas in ship-shape again.
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| April 18, 2011, 11:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, all but, and enough for our purposes. Again, pretty much. Like the CR says, you're pretty well spent. Might not be starving, but you'll eat your heels for a few days while you try to get your rear areas in ship-shape again.

You simply don't have a Fleet right now. Aircraft are well and good, but they don't stop ships with air support.
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| April 18, 2011, 11:10 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
You simply don't have a Fleet right now. Aircraft are well and good, but they don't stop ships with air support.

Uh, yeah they do. They have in the past. Let's see, there's Norway when German aircraft warded off English carriers a couple times, and the Pacific a few times when the American carrier forces were outnumbered a few times and won anyway.

Same situation. We've got lots of islands out there, and they're each as good as carriers. Go ahead, try us. Now, you're facing an entire airforce full of Blackfishes...

U scared?

Quoting Evan Melick
ALSO, ADMINS HAVE COME TO CONCLUSION:

Artsee will NOT be allowed to rejoin combat operations in the Great American War, due to his former past as a CM in this conflict. Although his knowledge may not help to have any advantage, we feel that this is a good principle to stick too, and will thus remain in effect in this group that former CM's CANNOT participate on the same or closely associated/continued conflicts that they have modded.

Wait, so that includes Awe, then? He did mod for the attack on Midway that caused the war on the continent. So that would fall under the "Closely associated/continued conflicts," right?
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| April 18, 2011, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
^ This may seems slightly contradictory, but no. He modded that attack, yeah, but that is going on close to almost three months ago now. ANy information he had is long past it's usefulness, plus he's been involved heavily for the past while. It seems a moot point on that front.

Rats.
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| April 18, 2011, 11:29 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Artsee will NOT be allowed to rejoin combat operations in the Great American War, due to his former past as a CM in this conflict. Although his knowledge may not help to have any advantage, we feel that this is a good principle to stick too, and will thus remain in effect in this group that former CM's CANNOT participate on the same or closely associated/continued conflicts that they have modded.

Yeah, I'm contesting that. I've been sending pretty much the same orders to every CM involved in the conflict so far. Add to that the fact any residual orders in my FM inbox are now badly out of date, and, as I'm sure Ultra will support, the fact that I didn't really retain that much of them even when they were new, I can't see any reason why not.
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| April 18, 2011, 11:47 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Add to that the fact any residual orders in my FM inbox are now badly out of date, and, as I'm sure Ultra will support, the fact that I didn't really retain that much of them even when they were new, I can't see any reason why not.

There are some defensive plans I've had in effect since the day the war started. That's before you came along bro.
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| April 19, 2011, 12:11 am
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Quoting Areetsa C


The Admins may or may not care about your plight. What we do care about is fairness, and we waited a very long time to act on this to make sure that we were in agreement here. Our decision is final.
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| April 19, 2011, 12:17 am
Quoting Matt Hacker
The Admins may or may not care about your plight. What we do care about is fairness, and we waited a very long time to act on this to make sure that we were in agreement here. Our decision is final.

I think you'd be acting rather differently if YOUR buildings with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever.

Well, I'm sure I'll find SOMEONE to go after in the meantime.
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| April 19, 2011, 12:29 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
I think you'd be acting rather differently if YOUR buildings with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever.


I have no clue what you are trying to communicate to me here...
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| April 19, 2011, 12:30 am
Quoting Matt Hacker

I have no clue what you are trying to communicate to me here...

Ultra blew up a few blocks in residentual Astana with his precious pseudonukes, along with EXPENSIVE facilities near Baikonur. I set a plan in motion to reward him for his efforts, but Tom quit before it could go into effect. I sent it to you, then Henry, but it still didn't move along. The last thing I'm going to do is let Ultra think that just because he's got ICBMs I'm not going to retaliate.

And I appear to have left out half of that sentence that you quoted, too.
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| April 19, 2011, 12:45 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Uh, yeah they do. They have in the past. Let's see, there's Norway when German aircraft warded off English carriers a couple times, and the Pacific a few times when the American carrier forces were outnumbered a few times and won anyway.

Same situation. We've got lots of islands out there, and they're each as good as carriers. Go ahead, try us. Now, you're facing an entire airforce full of Blackfishes...

U scared?


All of your evidence took place in the 40s. Not up to date.

And Blackfish aren't as powerful as you think they are. They have to take off from Alaska, and then they can only loiter for a bit.
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| April 19, 2011, 8:57 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Ultra blew up a few blocks in residentual Astana with his precious pseudonukes, along with EXPENSIVE facilities near Baikonur. I set a plan in motion to reward him for his efforts, but Tom quit before it could go into effect. I sent it to you, then Henry, but it still didn't move along. The last thing I'm going to do is let Ultra think that just because he's got ICBMs I'm not going to retaliate.

And I appear to have left out half of that sentence that you quoted, too.

Very bad luck for you that the Administration has decided against you. I guess you could use it to your favor, and attack people not involved in the Great American War. Like Brazil. >.>
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| April 19, 2011, 9:01 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
Very bad luck for you that the Administration has decided against you. I guess you could use it to your favor, and attack people not involved in the Great American War. Like Brazil. >.>

I'm sure I can find something to occupy my time. Preferably someone in range of my tanks.
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| April 19, 2011, 9:24 am
The PM is appalled at the heinous attacks of Angolan forces on innocent civilians. The Commonwealth has no choice but to completely eliminate this Angolan menace from the region. We gave them a chance to withdraw, yet they decided to attack us again. My friends, these sort of actions cannot continue. We will attack and we will defeat our enemy.
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| April 19, 2011, 11:33 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
I'd say that we're going to null that damage. How bout not attacking former combat mods in the same conflict. >.> Really. Not sure if Matt or Erik agrees with me there, so we'll see.

That was not in this war, it happened during the cease-fire. I wouldn't attack a former CM for the same reason that they shouldn't be allowed to attack me.

Quoting Nick Shelton
All of your evidence took place in the 40s. Not up to date.

Show me a war where there have been so many carrier battles in the modern era that proves your point, and I will gladly concede. Otherwise, except for speeds and defenses, aviation hasn't changed much since WWII. We still use the same tactics as WWI pilots did, if you watch 'Dogfights!' on the History Channel.

Quoting Nick Shelton
And Blackfish aren't as powerful as you think they are. They have to take off from Alaska, and then they can only loiter for a bit.


You seem to have forgotten the little slice of Hawaii (Oahu?) that Alaska has been building up since the cease-fire? Yeah, that's pretty much in the same area as Hawaii, if I'm not mistaken. Well, 'cause it IS Hawaii come to think of it.

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| April 19, 2011, 11:59 am
Quoting Nick Shelton

And Blackfish aren't as powerful as you think they are. They have to take off from Alaska, and then they can only loiter for a bit.

You seem to forget that you share borders with Alaska. And that the Blackfish has a primary fuel tank that averages five feet wide, fourteen feet long, and a foot and a half high. And they can take off from Kuaui, which I've had for several months.

They may not be as powerful as they're made out to be, but your air superiority over the Pacific is no more. Your only option is carriers, which is a pretty bad option.
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| April 19, 2011, 1:15 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
Thanks Evan.

Henry: Can I have a link to your flickr? I need to send you a FM...
One is about my trade with PCU and the other is a joint op in Africa.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49000846@N04/

or whanry1996
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| April 19, 2011, 4:54 pm
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As a new day dawns in the Western Confederation, and our men look to the resuming assaults, we bow our heads for a moment to look to the one who has given us all we have. In a poetic prayer by one Joe, all of our spirit is embodied:

"God of our fathers, who by land and sea have ever lead us to victory, please continue your inspiring guidance in this the greatest of all conflicts. Strengthen my soul so that the weakening instinct of self-preservation, which besets all of us in battle, shall not blind me to my duty to my own manhood, to the glory of my calling, and to my responsibility to my fellow soldiers. Grant to our armed forces that disciplined valor and mutual confidence which insures success in war. Let me not mourn for the men who have died fighting, but rather let me be glad that such heroes have lived. If it be my lot to die, let me do so with courage and honor in a manner which will bring the greatest harm to the enemy, and please, oh Lord, protect and guide those I shall leave behind. Give 'Us' the victory."
"Dear God in heaven, may it be so." -General Gault, WCHC.

^Found that tidbit from one of my favorite builders who also happens to be a soldier. Thought I might share it with a flare of my own.

For that man's sake, no disrespect please.
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| April 19, 2011, 5:50 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
...the government finally stopped caring about the WC planes blockading, but would like to know if supplies and incoming men are allowed to enter the country.

That's a negative, Ghost Rider. However, we don't want a fight, so we'll give you the opportunity to turn around. But you still can't get through.

Wait, what 'men?' Are you shipping troops to the PCU?

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| April 19, 2011, 6:05 pm
The PCU has updated the requirements of the MVT-1 Milatio to be similar to the Raptor of the famed Re-imagined Battlestar Galactica from 2003.

The PCU Senate has also released a statement saying that conscription is low, at this time.
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| April 19, 2011, 6:06 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
I am referring to my troops stationed around the world.
Tinian: ~10000
Saipan: ~400
Southern Africa: ~20000
UL: ~650

Uh-huh. Nice try. I don't care what you do in your land, just don't try to get from your land to the PCU.
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| April 19, 2011, 6:31 pm
After a month of secrecy, the PCU has unveiled the LFG-1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5636006707/in/photostream
During this period of silence, the LFG-1 has underwent production and many of its kind are being sprinkled across the front lines as we speak. However, they are also being sprinkled in combination with another weapon: the Uzbekistani SAM. It has been re-instated into the PCU as the Medium Missile Launcher-1, or the MML-1. It began production days after the contract was given, and numbers somewhere in the late forties, early fifties.
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| April 19, 2011, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
After a month of secrecy, the PCU has unveiled the LFG-1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5636006707/in/photostream
During this period of silence, the LFG-1 has underwent production and many of its kind are being sprinkled across the front lines as we speak. However, they are also being sprinkled in combination with another weapon: the Uzbekistani SAM. It has been re-instated into the PCU as the Medium Missile Launcher-1, or the MML-1. It began production days after the contract was given, and numbers somewhere in the late forties, early fifties.

Sorry to burst your bubble here, but you cannot produce that many in two days. That's how long it has been according to the CR time. That's the oddity in this game, time in war is measured by the CRs. We aren't having a stalemate at all, we just haven't had anyone to say how marvelously successful I've been for the past week or so. Just like I couldn't have shipped men to different places, or shuffled forces around, or anything like that.

My production hasn't gone forward (unless you want it to, but it will make you cry, 'cause there's so much of it) because it can't when there are orders in effect the could change your ability to produce (or in this case, not produce) them at all.

Just wait for the CR for heaven's sake, ok?
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| April 19, 2011, 9:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

The LFG-1 was before the CR stoppage. The Uzbekistani's SAM has been in production just as long.
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| April 19, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The LFG-1 was before the CR stoppage. The Uzbekistani's SAM has been in production just as long.

And we had this little chat then too, including a couple admins, about how you expected to (insert characteristic magic) produce so many so quickly. Measured in CR days, that's about a bushel a day... All without taking into consideration the necessities of re-tooling and things of your factories.
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| April 19, 2011, 9:46 pm
Hey, uh, Tom? Could you check my Flickr stream. I got something important concerning my orders up.
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| April 19, 2011, 10:20 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Hey, uh, Tom? Could you check my Flickr stream. I got something important concerning my orders up.

It's a little late for that, don't you think? Just saying...
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| April 19, 2011, 10:39 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
It's a little late for that, don't you think? Just saying...

There have been new developments.
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| April 19, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
There have been new developments.

Too bad, the deadline was days ago. Like Sunday.

Well, just be ready for the changes not to be honored.
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| April 19, 2011, 10:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Too bad, the deadline was days ago. Like Sunday.

Well, just be ready for the changes not to be honored.

I'm not sending in orders, I'm just telling Tom a theory.
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| April 19, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Too bad, the deadline was days ago. Like Sunday.

Well, just be ready for the changes not to be honored.


Considering how our CR has been delayed for about a week now, I don't think order deadlines matter anymore.
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| April 19, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Considering how our CR has been delayed for about a week now, I don't think order deadlines matter anymore.

From what I understood, they did still.

Look, if this was me trying to do this, you'd insist I couldn't. Don't pretend you wouldn't, both of you.
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| April 19, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
From what I understood, they did still.

Look, if this was me trying to do this, you'd insist I couldn't. Don't pretend you wouldn't, both of you.


Nick's stuff has nothing to do with changing orders, it's a theory. You keep your own theories, stop playing victim, and let us get our moment to consult the CM on an idea.

Sit down, son. There's not a fight under every rock.
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| April 19, 2011, 10:55 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Nick's stuff has nothing to do with changing orders, it's a theory. You keep your own theories, stop playing victim, and let us get our moment to consult the CM on an idea.

Not 'victim.' Just rather paranoid...

Is there supposed to be a CR tonight?
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| April 19, 2011, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
nope.

Oh.

Any idea when the next one will be?
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| April 19, 2011, 11:15 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Nope.

We're lazy, and me and Henry never seem to be on at the same time for long...

Ah. I'm going to cry now.


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| April 19, 2011, 11:25 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .

...the government finally stopped caring about the WC planes blockading, but would like to know if supplies and incoming men are allowed to enter the country.
The blockade is not only WC, and none of your aircraft will be permitted to enter the PCU. If they do not promptly turn around upon warning, they will be shot down with no hesitation.

/waaaaaiiiiittts for the CR...

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| April 20, 2011, 12:20 am
There is suspicion in the Spanish government that the Commonwealth's war is quickly turning into one of expansion. We will be watching closely.
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| April 20, 2011, 11:59 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
There is suspicion in the Spanish government that the Commonwealth's war is quickly turning into one of expansion. We will be watching closely.


Yes, because being attacked unprovoked clearly constitutes expansion.
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| April 20, 2011, 12:16 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Yes, because being attacked unprovoked clearly constitutes expansion.


What I mean is that he might use the attack as means to take over Angolan territory. Might not be his intent, but it's a theory.
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| April 20, 2011, 12:20 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

What I mean is that he might use the attack as means to take over Angolan territory. Might not be his intent, but it's a theory.


And you are supporting someone who breaks a peace treaty, does nothing but attack civilians and is far more expansionist than Henry is (now)?
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| April 20, 2011, 12:21 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
None of my pilots have EVER entered PCU airspace ;).

You'll see in the next CR.

It's not the pilots that matter, it's the planes. And this blockade is world wide. Nobody comes in without permission. So having someone else's (assumingly PCU or Chinese) pilots fly your planes into PCU territory is just gonna mean someone else's pilot will come to rest at the bottom of the sea strapped into the cockpit of your aircraft.

And you don't have any stealth aircraft. A non-stealth aircraft, thanks to our extensive radar coverage, has absolutely no chance of running the blockade. Get some better planes before you go messing with 6th Gen. stealth fighters.
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| April 20, 2011, 4:18 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Get some better planes before you go messing with 6th Gen. stealth fighters.

Alaska:
"Teaching the world to hate the thought of fish since 2013."
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| April 20, 2011, 4:22 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
Ok, None of my aircraft entered American Airspace, which is true. Nick & Henry can confirm that.

I actually do have 175 F2As, which are mid-stealth. Then my 100 mil F2Bs will be almost full stealth, and the F2Cs which will enter combat in numbers in July will cost 125 million.

Mid-stealth can still be detected by modern radar. $125 million actually isn't all that much. By my estimates, the F-1 Blackfish costs approximately $150 million, but part of that is advanced avionics and control surfaces to counter the roll tendencies of a flying wing.

Didn't you just recently join? How did you manufacture so many aircraft in only a few weeks? It takes longer than that to open up production lines!

Well that was a wise choice. You don't want to be entering American airspace.
Quoting Ultramarine .
Alaska:
"Teaching the world to hate the thought of fish since 2013."

Hehe, "seafood" is now a question of who's eating who! (OK, that was kinda lame...)
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| April 20, 2011, 4:41 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
I actually do have 175 F2As, which are mid-stealth. Then my 100 mil F2Bs will be almost full stealth, and the F2Cs which will enter combat in numbers in July will cost 125 million.

Close ain't gonna cut it. You are building these, right?
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| April 20, 2011, 4:48 pm
Can someone approve my comment?
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| April 20, 2011, 4:52 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
There is suspicion in the Spanish government that the Commonwealth's war is quickly turning into one of expansion. We will be watching closely.

Ok well, he broke the treaty and he targeted my civilians. I was ok with the status quo, but he wasn't so he'll face the consequences of that. (sarcasm) And obviously you should be an expert on anti-expansionism because you never expanded to end the sovereignty of a nation because your invasion of Atlantic islands wasn't expansionist.
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| April 20, 2011, 5:01 pm
Note to CMs: Why don't you have Tom write the Border and Naval Actions, and Henry write whatever's left. They can work on their parts while the other is offline, and when they're both online, they present the thing for review.

And Ultra, why do you say I can't make things during the CR break if you're training Idaho civilians to be warriors, and sending troopers in to fill positions. You can't do that, if I can't produce.
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| April 20, 2011, 5:55 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Note to CMs: Why don't you have Tom write the Border and Naval Actions, and Henry write whatever's left. They can work on their parts while the other is offline, and when they're both online, they present the thing for review.

What IS left? I don't know why you guys have such a problem with Henry, I don't have a problem with Tom. I could understand if Henry had given me the same kind of crushing victory that Ham gave you, but Henry never had any complaints.

Quoting Nick Shelton
And Ultra, why do you say I can't make things during the CR break if you're training Idaho civilians to be warriors, and sending troopers in to fill positions. You can't do that, if I can't produce.

Because I should be able to announce what I've submitted in the form of orders, shouldn't I? Might give you an important piece of intel, then again, I wouldn't have said anything if the order deadline weren't a few days ago.

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| April 20, 2011, 6:26 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/4823017946/in/photostream

After close scrutiny of the Armed Forces for Anti-Air Missile Launchers, we found the old REDEEMER design. It had been in production since its inception in 2036, but was not, until now, a heavy-use object. That changes now.
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| April 20, 2011, 6:56 pm
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Many fireworks were launched in Axis countries today, celebrating Hitler's birthday. Troops were allowed small celebrations themselves, but nothing to detract from the war.

>.>

Meanwhile, the usual is up in China, waiting on the CR to decide our next course of action.
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| April 20, 2011, 9:20 pm
In Greater Alenia:
A new MBT design is proving quite promising. Current tests have AP rounds fired from T-72s and a couple of borrowed foreign tank guns simply bouncing off, from a variety of angles.
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| April 20, 2011, 10:43 pm
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Due to the excellent progression of the Lebanese campaign, the UNC has announced that it is immediately ceasing its support role in theater, and Task Force 2 will be returning to base for a rearming. The two fighter squadrons will also be returning home.

The "Beleaguered Castle" operation remains in effect, although it will be called off within 7 days, provided nothing occurs.
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| April 20, 2011, 11:15 pm
Everyone's favorite psychotic asian "terrorist state" wishes to complain at all the Angola-bashing that's going on lately. New guy. Wants in on all that martial glory stuff. He's got a dirt-poor african state, and he wants to invade other dirt-poor african states. What of it?

Is invading people who haven't got a hope of winning the way you guys get your jollies?

As for us, we're sending some peace-keepers to the region, to make sure that Angola remains in the hands of the Angolans. We don't give a stuff about Madagascar or Mozambique, but we will be most unhappy with you should you try to evict the newbie from his country.

(And no, unless you decide to bomb Alenian civilians, you don't need to worry about shrapnel bombs.)
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| April 21, 2011, 12:01 am
Quoting Thomas N
Who are you to try and cast this "innocent newbie" in a good light?

I don't know about you, but bombing South Africa, twice, and killing 220 civilians does not a good leader make. Has everyone in this group really had their minds "sanitized" enough by all the violence and civilian deaths in this group to forget the value of the human life?

This dictator kills people, and he does it maliciously, with intent, to do nothing but make a political statement and try to increase his own power. New player of the game or not, he is a dictator with no regard for human life and no regard for the sovereignty of the countries around him. He has proven time and time again that he is not worthy of a role in the international community, and like Moumar Ghaddafi, he represents an unstable, malicious African dictator who does not deserve power. Therefore, we are going to drag him out of power.

Have you looked at Ultra lately?

Now, I'm going to emplace my troops in Angolan cities. They're not going to start any fights, as long as your "coalition" stays in the countryside.
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| April 21, 2011, 12:40 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Have you looked at Ultra lately?

Lol. I'm tempted to quote a movie line about one act sealing a man's fate. Once, and only once, I targeted civilians as a policy. You, on the other hand, had it coming to you.

Now, can we please move on?


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| April 21, 2011, 12:48 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Lol. I'm tempted to quote a movie line about one act sealing a man's fate. Once, and only once, I targeted civilians as a policy. You, on the other hand, had it coming to you.

Now, can we please move on?

I'm just pointing out the doublethink involved.
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| April 21, 2011, 1:12 am
Quoting Thomas N
What makes you think we're going to let you waltz right up to Angolan shores?

I've got one multinational blockade that says: "No way, Jose."

The simple fact that they're peacekeepers. They're not going there to cause trouble, they're going there to keep you and Henry from getting more lebensraum.


If such high and mighty concerns aren't sufficient for you: what you propose would trigger a state of war between Germany and the central asian state known as Greater Alenia. The consequences for that would not be pleasant. Since the troops on the ships are second line units, I wouldn't lose much in the way of offensive or defensive capability, but you, on the other hand, would be saying "O hai dere OVB, I bet you wouldn't dare plant limpet mines on my aircraft carriers". And as anyone who's had dealings with the OVB knows, if there's one thing they love, it's a challenge.

/TL,DR: the ground troops are a safeguard, to keep your retaliation against Angola's military (which I support, by the way) from spilling over and causing harm to civilians. Attacking said peacekeepers could (read: will) result in damage to your own property approximately equal to the monetary value of any military equipment lost and the cost of repairs to the (leased) transports, along with an undefined but relatively high "blutgeld" for any lives lost and crippling injuries.

EDIT: seems there's a bit of good news for me; some clerk apparently misfiled a bit of correspondence, and it only just got to me. Apparently that bit about the MBT tests was several weeks out of date; according to a rather jubilant message from R&D, they've actually managed to finish it in record time, and the first production prototypes are going through their paces at this moment.

/That'll teach me to ignore date-stamps...
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| April 21, 2011, 9:19 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
If such high and mighty concerns aren't sufficient for you: what you propose would trigger a state of war between Germany and the central asian state known as Greater Alenia.


I believe that your intervention pretty much already qualifies as war with the two of you. I already know that you NEVER back down, but may I ask WHY you are protecting some dude who violates cease fires, bombs civvies, and chose a horrendous place to start off? I don't buy into the whole "I'm protecting the newbie" act; I know that you could really care less for him, especially since he has pretty nothing of value to you. This is just your revenge for not being allowed into the Great American War.

Also, you better revert those timestamps, your Cliffe-like time dilation desires are going to be put on hold.
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| April 21, 2011, 11:27 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Also, you better revert those timestamps, your Cliffe-like time dilation desires are going to be put on hold.

Kinda like Nick's 'suddenly' realizing he's had hundreds of SAM trucks lying around that he hasn't used for 7 months?
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| April 21, 2011, 12:40 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
but may I ask WHY you are protecting some dude who violates cease fires and bombs civvies.

Sounds like Ultra...

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| April 21, 2011, 1:02 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

I could really care less what you do, but if you help Luke I will attack. Also everyone fails to forget that I was ok with the status quo, Luke was the one that attacked me. So he definitely should be punished for that.
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| April 21, 2011, 1:51 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
Maybe he does.
Perhaps Angola has a resource he wants. You never know ;)


I'm keeping my eye on you.

John- frankly, the situation is so confused that I don't pretend to know what happened there, so I won't comment.
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| April 21, 2011, 2:02 pm
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Quoting John Dawn
Sounds like Ultra...

Broke cease-fire or bombed civilians. Ok, you tell me what made Japan justified in bombing civilians? Just tell me once, I want to hear it. Me bombing them? Not the best idea I ever had, but Japan needed to feel the effects of such war too...Let's just say that when you set a precedent, be ready for it to come back on you hard.

Breaking cease-fire? Yep, then again, it wouldn't have lasted long when a bunch of screaming PCU-ers charged across my border. It's easy to deny that it would have happened to somehow come out as the victim, but several have warned outside parties that Nick has an obstinate desire to destroy those that oppose him.
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| April 21, 2011, 2:53 pm
Angola and Australia would like to formally withdraw all troops from South Africa. We will accept surrender terms if all enemy soldiers leave from Angola and territories.
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| April 21, 2011, 3:59 pm
Quoting Matt P
Angola and Australia would like to formally withdraw all troops from South Africa. We will accept surrender terms if all enemy soldiers leave from Angola and territories.

I'll talk with you, and my allies will most likely talk to you as well. But there will be terms to this surrender as we are in a favorable position and you were the one who sparked the conflict not to mention your attacks on my civilians. Let's talk on Flickr.
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| April 21, 2011, 4:23 pm
Quoting henry wang
I'll talk with you, and my allies will most likely talk to you as well. But there will be terms to this surrender as we are in a favorable position and you were the one who sparked the conflict not to mention your attacks on my civilians. Let's talk on Flickr.

Ok, sounds good.
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| April 21, 2011, 4:43 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
I believe you misunderstand me. While I have the blockade set up, I do not wish to kill your men and sink your borrowed ships. I merely wish to prevent them from docking. You can mill around in international waters all you want, but I won't fire unless fired upon.

Also, I'd be hard pressed to let anyone with mines aboard or near my Aircraft Carriers.

I think it's funny how he keeps interfering in others' affairs when he doesn't have the capacity to do so. Then he cries when the day of reckoning comes.

Also how he just naturally assumes that he can call at will an insurgency in a certain country. I never could figure that out. You can't just command another nation's citizens when you don't know for sure that they would answer the call. Otherwise, I'll just randomly start up gang violence in every nation other than mine to keep you all weak enough to give me time to rebuild.

Unfortunately, if such persons are allowed to call up insurgents or terrorists at will in my nation, I will be forced to destroy all those that could present such a threat.

Quoting Matt P
Ok, sounds good.

Check FM please. Got some more ideas. Thanks.
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| April 21, 2011, 5:17 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Breaking cease-fire? Yep, then again, it wouldn't have lasted long when a bunch of screaming PCU-ers charged across my border.


The only one crossing borders here is you.

Today, in China:
-A new anti-shipping missile is being tested out. We also realize we don't have any modern aircraft to carry such a thing. Ground-based launchers are ready, but not unveiled to the international community.
-Production of MAF-2s, MT-4s, and more continue.
-A contract for a modern transport aircraft and new ships has also been put out to our corporate partners, including the Koaxiang branch of OAAE.
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| April 21, 2011, 8:01 pm
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Today, in the Western Confederation...

The WCHC has found a nice replacement helicopter for the utility needs; the MUH-1 Rozzel. Well, not exactly it, but probably about 85% it. We're using a lot of our improvements to remake it. We're hoping it will fulfill our requirements and eventually replace the UH-1 Huey.

Oh, Tom & Henry, increase the Axis aircraft losses to 318 please. I forgot the 14 Chinese/PCU aircraft destroyed by the PN troopers in Canada.
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| April 21, 2011, 8:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, in the Western Confederation...

The WCHC has found a nice replacement helicopter for the utility needs; the MUH-1 Rozzel. Well, not exactly it, but probably about 85% it. We're using a lot of our improvements to remake it. We're hoping it will fulfill our requirements and eventually replace the UH-1 Huey.

Nice to know the enemy uses our equipment because their own equipment is so shoddy.

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| April 21, 2011, 8:41 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Angola loses Madagascar and his portion of the DRC. Madagascar will be divided between the three victors, while the DRC will be decided upon later.


SEE? I TOLD YOU ALL SO!
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| April 21, 2011, 9:08 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

SEE? I TOLD YOU ALL SO!

Well exactly do you want us to do? He killed my civies and broke a perfectly good treaty. He should be punished and he was, he lost all of his land to us. Not to mention that he gained all that land through invasion.

Also you shouldn't be talking because you are expansionist. So you lecturing us about expansionism is like Charlie Sheen lecturing us about why drugs are bad.
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| April 21, 2011, 9:11 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Except we're the ones who are winning!

Yeah because we win here win there win win everywhere
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| April 21, 2011, 9:15 pm
Now is the point where I laugh, because I told Angola not to engage the first time, because they certainly would lose.
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| April 21, 2011, 9:17 pm
Quoting henry wang
Well exactly do you want us to do? He killed my civies and broke a perfectly good treaty. He should be punished and he was, he lost all of his land to us.

Also you shouldn't be talking because you are expansionist. So you lecturing us about expansionism is like Charlie Sheen lecturing us about why drugs are bad.


I do one thing within the first weeks of the group months ago, and I'm an expansionist.

First off, you could've ACTUALLY liberated Madagascar by restoring it's independence. There's little strategic importance in it for either of you seeing as Tom has bases in Nambia and Henry has South Africa. If you really need it, do what the US did in the Phillipines: Grant it's freedom but have rights to military bases there.


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| April 21, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I do one thing within the first weeks of the group months ago, and I'm an expansionist.

First off, you could've ACTUALLY liberated Madagascar by restoring it's independence. There's little strategic importance in it for either of you seeing as Tom has bases in Nambia and Henry has South Africa. If you really need it, do what the US did in the Phillipines: Grant it's freedom but have rights to military bases there.

Well things will come back to haunt you...

Anyways their a pretty poor nation, I think it would be beneficial to them to let one of us develop their nation. Plus that place is war-torn it will take us years to help it recover. So I'd say we need a 36 month time period of recovery. Where after, they will regain sovereignty.
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| April 21, 2011, 9:24 pm
Quoting henry wang
Well things will come back to haunt you...


I fear nothing. Things haunting me? I laugh, for I haunt them.
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| April 21, 2011, 9:29 pm
The PM is pleased to have resolved the entire African crisis. We would also like to mention that now Swaziland and Mozambique are under Commonwealth protection. That means that we will guarantee their independence and economically support them because of the war.
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| April 21, 2011, 9:31 pm
Following the trend of European countries protecting Africans, Spain would like to remind everyone that we are still defending our good pals in Morocco from any foreign menace. Be warned.
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| April 21, 2011, 9:48 pm
Quoting henry wang
So he definitely should be punished for that.

Yeah, but if someone wasn't keeping an eye on things, he'd probably end up having to start a new country.

Quoting Thomas N
Besides, we did liberate it.

But if it doesn't end up as an NPC state sooner or later, I'll be right about the lebensraum thing.

Quoting Ultramarine .
I think it's funny how he keeps interfering in others' affairs when he doesn't have the capacity to do so. Then he cries when the day of reckoning comes.

As far as ground combat goes, I actually have a rather powerful force. The trouble is getting it places, since there's no cause for violence near my borders.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Also how he just naturally assumes that he can call at will an insurgency in a certain country. I never could figure that out. You can't just command another nation's citizens when you don't know for sure that they would answer the call.

I've never actually used indigenous forces; generally, if there's monkey business going on in someone's territory while they're causing a great deal of annoyance for me, it's because of my special forces. More than that, I can't say.
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| April 21, 2011, 11:02 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Nice to know the enemy uses our equipment because their own equipment is so shoddy.

The Huey? Shoddy, no. Outdated? You bet. Comparing your copter to a 70 year-old piece of hardware is hardly fair to begin with. Like saying the F-16 is better than a Spad S.XIII. No kidding.
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| April 22, 2011, 12:01 am
Quoting Thomas N
Hmmm...
...
Oh wait, what?

If Madagascar stays in your hands in the future, it'll prove my point. You go on and on about the evils of imperialism, then you seize chunks of Africa for yourselves.
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| April 22, 2011, 12:35 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
The Huey? Shoddy, no. Outdated? You bet. Comparing your copter to a 70 year-old piece of hardware is hardly fair to begin with. Like saying the F-16 is better than a Spad S.XIII. No kidding.

UH-1Y. >.>
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| April 22, 2011, 9:07 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
If Madagascar stays in your hands in the future, it'll prove my point. You go on and on about the evils of imperialism, then you seize chunks of Africa for yourselves.


Which is why I don't even pretend what I'm up to. Go go imperialism! If Europe can do it, I can do it too.
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| April 22, 2011, 10:37 am
Quoting Thomas N

Tom, I am disappoint...
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| April 22, 2011, 12:50 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
Due to imperialism on the part of the RAS, Lesotho, the African nation contained within South Africa, is now under full protection of the New Republic of France, much like the protection of Nambia and other African Countries.


Considering the fact that S.A. is part of the Commonwealth and it completely surrounds S.A. I frankly don't see why you need to be there :/
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| April 22, 2011, 5:26 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .
That, and what Evan said is true, however, Henry has his hands full with most of Southern Africa anyways. Its more a favor than anything.

Yeah ok you can protect them, their population is quite poor but I'll send money.

Also British forces around the world are beginning to stand down and ships are returning to port.

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| April 22, 2011, 6:03 pm
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Quoting henry wang

Quoting Thomas N

Tom, Henry, please attend. Thank you.

Attention! Attention Atlantic Union! We are fully aware that you are in possession of a number of Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines. We strongly advise against their use in this struggle. Not because we don't want you to use them (we don't, by the way), but they simply won't do you any good.

The Anarchist BMD system was launched mid-February during the attacks by Alenia on the WC. It protects 98% of our territory (with the exception of empty deserts and sparsely populated, non-strategic, rural areas). We developed it for 4 months before its deployment, and the only reason it didn't do too well when the PCU went berserk was because I did not inform Matt properly. I will not make that mistake this time. We deploy them in batteries, which salvo-launch to make up for any inaccuracies (still, they have an individual hit & kill ratio of 85/100). It is based off of the currently deployed AEGIS system, so the science behind it is solid, tested, tried & true. We have further developed the RIM-161 as the RIM-165 with a 1.0 Mach speed advantage over the old system.

Additionally, I have not the same restraint for you as I do for the PCU, we will retaliate full-vigor even if we don't get hit; which is the most likely option. So, please be reasonable, and don't launch, it just won't do any good.
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| April 22, 2011, 6:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

I'll keep that in mind, but an FM would have sufficed.
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| April 22, 2011, 7:08 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I'll keep that in mind, but an FM would have sufficed.

I thought so, but I wanted it public. Because, as we all know, "The best weapon is one you never have to use."
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| April 22, 2011, 7:12 pm
In Australia-

Since peace has been made in Angola, the Australian advisors and equipment are immediately being sent back to the naval base in Western Australia. As part of the surrender terms, the Angolan president has stated that the war was Angola's fault, and that reparations will be payed for damage. Seychelles is still a naval base of Angola.

Meanwhile, with Australian news, relations with Malaysia are becoming strong. And also we have allied with the Western Confederation. We are now focusing on the Pacific War and allying with the WC.
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| April 22, 2011, 8:25 pm
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