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International Conversation Forum XX
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Highlights from XIX:
-Great American War over for at least two months
-new members.
-Technological advancements across the board.
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| May 2, 2011, 9:59 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

By the way, you have my aces. One of them is a Guatemalan with 8 kills, he's mostly trained only on the MiG-60 (though after he got 5, he went to F-29s). Unfortunately, his kills are against the Hyperfalcon. I don't know how useful his skills will be considering, but his tactics are solid.

Quoting Thomas N
@ Ultra

Yes I believe that was the price.

Das ist gute! Total bill then is $3.24 billion, pleasure doing business!

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| May 2, 2011, 10:36 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
By the way, you have my aces. One of them is a Guatemalan with 8 kills, he's mostly trained only on the MiG-60 (though after he got 5, he went to F-29s). Unfortunately, his kills are against the Hyperfalcon. I don't know how useful his skills will be considering, but his tactics are solid.


LOL I'll take him I suppose.

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| May 2, 2011, 10:38 pm
@ Awe

copy that, I'll send in some governers or whatever (to negotiate Uzbekestan and Indo uniting as one) to China and the IU.
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| May 3, 2011, 8:41 am
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The Union State presently wishes to buy at least two JAS-43s from our Scandinavian friends. Although we're skeptical of buying more for our air fleets in the future due to the fact that our Byzantine foe is planning to invest in the bird wholeheartedly, we still figure we may operate a small collection for use abroad and in the Far East District if all goes well with the test aircraft purchased.

In other news, the Union State will be hosting a mass armour training demonstration next week. Starting Sunday, most of our reserve armoured and mechanized units will be slung together in their respective quadrants and focus on both electronic coordinated and non-electronic coordinated combat maneuvers as to better portray our ability to project power on the ground. Our all-female division will also be involved. Invitations have been sent to our fellow Euros as well as our Chinese neighbor in the southeast.

Another ATGM program has been opened up that shall attempt to incorporate ninety-degree attack angles with a similar munition to the Starstreak HVM [which is actually an AA munition, but whatever]. Even though we expect said missile to see limited initial use, we can always say we have them for the fecal matter and grins.

Finally, we will be withdrawing all but twenty of our PKs from Lebanon and re-fitting the marines for defense measures in southern Ukraine. Two AIFV Mk.IIs will be fitted with the new Type-2 ADK [Amphibious Deployment Kits] still seeing further development and attached to the respective Mistral-class vessel. Although the number is small, we can still get vital field data from the minute deployment; or so we hope.
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| May 3, 2011, 6:38 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Our all-female division will also be involved. Invitations have been sent to our fellow Euros as well as our Chinese neighbor in the southeast.


Oh, we're so in on this. My veterans from the Civil War and Needless War will participate with new troops as well.
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| May 3, 2011, 6:53 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oh, we're so in on this. My veterans from the Civil War and Needless War will participate with new troops as well.

Good, good. We'll move your equipment and personnel for you to act as a logistical scenario for our reserve airmen/crewmen as well; all is taken care of.
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| May 3, 2011, 7:04 pm
The WMU accepts the Federations invitation, and will send several Portuguese and Spanish armoured divisions to participate, including the veterans that single-handedly stopped a massive Algerian blitz in Morocco.
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| May 3, 2011, 7:04 pm
Currently, military advisors are being sent to Libya to try to sell the democratic government some of our older equipment. Along with that BP is intending to buy some of the oil fields located in Libya. We hope that this deal will not only make their government money, but also help create jobs for once unemployed people.

The mining of minerals in South Africa continues, but we are beginning to enforce tougher safety standards. This is to protect the lives of workers, but companies will still be able to make large profits as well.

We have decided to continue to protect Mozambique and Swaziland, and more money is being invested in those countries. Along with this, more naval bases are being constructed in South Africa to help maintain a larger permanent fleet there.

Finally, we will be sending his majesty's 1st Armored Division to the excercises.
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| May 3, 2011, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The Union State presently wishes to buy at least two JAS-43s from our Scandinavian friends. Although we're skeptical of buying more for our air fleets in the future due to the fact that our Byzantine foe is planning to invest in the bird wholeheartedly, we still figure we may operate a small collection for use abroad and in the Far East District if all goes well with the test aircraft purchased.

In other news, the Union State will be hosting a mass armour training demonstration next week. Starting Sunday, most of our reserve armoured and mechanized units will be slung together in their respective quadrants and focus on both electronic coordinated and non-electronic coordinated combat maneuvers as to better portray our ability to project power on the ground. Our all-female division will also be involved. Invitations have been sent to our fellow Euros as well as our Chinese neighbor in the southeast.


We approve. Perhaps to alleviate concerns about the Byzantines I could provide you with full (non export) examples, whereas they are receiving export models.

And the Nordic Ground Forces accept your invitation. We hope this helps strengthen ties between all of the parties involved.

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| May 3, 2011, 8:21 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
We approve. Perhaps to alleviate concerns about the Byzantines I could provide you with full (non export) examples, whereas they are receiving export models.

And the Nordic Ground Forces accept your invitation. We hope this helps strengthen ties between all of the parties involved.

We would greatly appreciate having full models in contrast the export models and will likely increase the likelihood of increased purchases at a later time.

Also, the Union State is overjoyed by the rapid and positive turnout for our upcoming military exercises! Our hopes for success are shared with our close friends in the Nordic states.

Quoting ze Germans

Bring it, bic boi.
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| May 3, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Primary elections began today in the respective states & districts. To eliminate the possibility of fraud, the index finger of every voter was dipped in ink. Later, during the national elections, photo IDs will be required. They are expected just before the 6 week period ends.

The first round of chemical tests began today for the M100 armor that was recently 'acquired.' 100 variations of the compounds are being tested in simulation software set to go 24/7 for a fortnight. Though large changes are made by human input, the software is capable of varying the chemical balance until it makes an ideal match.

Development has begun simulations of a newer weapon that will help in the future. It's rather obvious and we're sorry we didn't think of it sooner. It will be different in the future.

Amending a fallacious statement earlier concerning our newest A-11, it will instead be carrying a 35mm gun over the previously announced 45mm.

15,000 soldiers have been given indefinite furlough, a way of saying nicely: "You're a reservist now." So they will no longer be on the by monthly payroll. Also, it releases them on the economy, as they say, to find newer jobs springing up pretty much everywhere.

Three African nations have requested the M45 light tank for service in their nation. They have agreed to the price of $800,000/piece for 50 each nation. Netting a total of $120 million. They will be setting sail within the week. Chile has also asked for 2 million tons of coal over the next year, paid up front the $82 million (based on current prices for Unita Basin coal in CO, UT, AZ, and NM) in addition to the purchase of crude oil. A rather unstable nation in the middle eastern area made an offer for several thousand pounds of uranium, but was turned down flat. No, it wasn't Iran surprisingly.

On the diplomatic side, the Western Republic has sent an embassy team to Israel to further extend ties with that nation. Israel is most interested in the 'SeaLion' improvement and upgrade to the Iron Fist system, and the tech will willingly be given to them for their fledgling navy. This is one way that I'm trying to say that Israel is under Western Republic protection indefinitely.

Two more subterranean nuclear power plants (identical to the others in our territory, just in case anything goes wrong, they are a safe distance underground) to service Idaho and Nevada with the parts of the other three states currently held.

Oh, also, we highly suggest that the PCU navy find the carrier group they misplaced before we do...even though neither of us could do anything either way, right Nick?

On a side note, NBC gear has been retrofitted to all vehicles that it was not originally fitted to (That would be the M80).

Quoting Nick Shelton
I like how the people who lost more men than the entire US losses in Vietnam gets less jail-time than someone who lost less than those in Iraq.

I lol'd. Seriously? We lost 46,000 men between both engagements of the war. You mind explaining how you got away with less than 10k when your buddy Tom even listed your casualties from the first one at 20k?

Unlike last time, it was I that routed you soundly around Las Vegas. Oh, that probably means I captured more soldiers there than you did during the whole war. But I forgot, your men are just too awesome. Before you jump to deny it, I remind you that that is exactly what the CR said. The WR's losses were significantly reduced thanks to the heavy presence of allied soldiers in our ranks. In Canada, it was split nearly 50/50 Cubans with WR troops, with the WR having 1,000 more men than Cubans did.
Down south on the Baja, Guatemalan/Cuban numbers dwarfed the 2,500 WR marines I had there. In the center, I had also the Guatemalan and EC troops assisting. These were also the soldiers that you were facing in the 'Great' counterattack the second day of the renewal that was a costly way of saying "Dang, we're already losing..." It was a bloody day, but all those numbers weren't mine. They were EC, Guatemalan, and WR.
Remember also your entire army in Canada that disappeared under the fire of heavy guns? Yep, that was in the CR as well. Something about that failed counterattack into Montana leaving a "Military vacuum" that I just waltzed through unopposed kinda makes me think it was more devastating than you're willing to admit. If I read it rightly when Arty said it, it was a mainly armored assault. That cost you a great deal of tanks IIRC. You had to frantically plug that hole with Chinese.
So, the WR suffered only about half the casualties the second time around as the first.
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| May 3, 2011, 9:05 pm
Honestly, it doesn't matter. I pulled out of nearly every major battle-place to defensive positions, where you would've lost. If you would've pushed on, you would've lost more men that needed, and if I would've pushed, I would've lost more men than needed, so in all definitions, it was a draw.

15 MVT-1s have been ordered by the PCU Government for transportation of esteemed individuals.
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| May 3, 2011, 9:39 pm
In the SC...

The Southern Confederation has decided to extend invitations to the nations of North America, including the Cubans, for a four-day-long Naval and Land Training Session located on the island of Okinawa and to our neighbors to the North and Northwest of this island territory. (AKA China and Japan.)
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| May 3, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Hallo war exhaustion.

I thought it didn't include training? Well then, scratch that. :(
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| May 3, 2011, 9:52 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
15 MVT-1s have been ordered by the PCU Government for transportation of esteemed individuals.

Can't they just walk to wherever they need to be, now?


Elsewhere, in a small (compared to Russia) asian state with a very pragmatic view on warfare:
-Totally not up to anything
-There are no Schrodinger bases, they are not underground and undetectable, and two of them have definitely not been modified into tank and tank ammo factories.
-There is no invasion fleet loitering just outside South African national waters.
-There is no invasion fleet loitering just outside Angolan national waters.
-There is no invasion fleet loitering just outside Italian national waters.
-In fact, there is no invasion fleet at all.
-We have always been at war with Oceania.
-There were no mysterious explosions in the desert near the sea recently.
-Through a mysterious and inexplicable method, we have come to the conclusion that there is absolutely nothing wrong with using assault helicopters in terrorist hostage situations.
-Anyone want a couple of Mi-24Vs? Military grade tear-gas rockets and cannon ammunition included.
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| May 3, 2011, 10:11 pm
We would like to kindly ask the Russians if we could enter in their little party, for we need much mentoring, although our tactics and weapons may be exotic. The Macro War Chariot is to be analyzed thoroughly and new doctrine written for its new role as an extreme-mobility long range armor support artillery vehicle. The new vehicle co-designed with the Chinese, the Heavy Assault Chariot One, or HAC-1 (name subject to change), of which 20 prototypes (more coming) have been completed, will be the center of the new Egyptian armor assault doctrine. http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5132082859/in/set-72157623893124796
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| May 3, 2011, 10:44 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The new vehicle co-designed with the Chinese, the Heavy Assault Chariot One, or HAC-1 (name subject to change), of which 20 prototypes (more coming) have been completed, will be the center of the new Egyptian armor assault doctrine.

no wai, a king jadgtiger culd rip teh turrwt ofg at moar yanm 500000 miels!!!@!~!!1!

-=-=-=-=-

I notice that when Awe built it under commission for me, it's a useless piece of over armoured, over sci-fi'd metal that would fall prey to artillery and anti-tank fire, but when you want to build it, it's totally uber in every way.
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| May 3, 2011, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
no wai, a king jadgtiger culd rip teh turrwt ofg at moar yanm 500000 miels!!!@!~!!1!

-=-=-=-=-

I notice that when Awe built it under commission for me, it's a useless piece of over armoured, over sci-fi'd metal that would fall prey to artillery and anti-tank fire, but when you want to build it, it's totally uber in every way.


I lol'd. You want production rights too?
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| May 3, 2011, 11:27 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I lol'd. You want production rights too?

Nah, I haz my L-131 now, and it's already in production. Too much work to switch designs after one starts being manufactured.
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| May 3, 2011, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I notice that when Awe built it under commission for me, it's a useless piece of over armoured, over sci-fi'd metal that would fall prey to artillery and anti-tank fire, but when you want to build it, it's totally uber in every way.

I was about to venture the same opinion, but further elaboration would only take away from your excellent evaluation of the topic. Just 'cause it looks cool doesn't make it perform...
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| May 4, 2011, 12:21 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
I was about to venture the same opinion, but further elaboration would only take away from your excellent evaluation of the topic. Just 'cause it looks cool doesn't make it perform...

On the other hand, if it looks like a turtle or UFO, it'll probably bounce off nigh any hypervelocity penetrators that may come its way.
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| May 4, 2011, 4:11 am
Quoting Areetsa C
-Anyone want a couple of Mi-24Vs? Military grade tear-gas rockets and cannon ammunition included.

I think I may be interested, How much would one cost?

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| May 4, 2011, 6:12 am
Quoting luke peterson
I think I may be interested, How much would one cost?

Around 10 million ASCUs, and it comes with a couple of AK-74s for the crew.
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| May 4, 2011, 8:20 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Around 10 million ASCUs, and it comes with a couple of AK-74s for the crew.

I'll take ten.
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| May 4, 2011, 2:34 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
As we just mentioned, the War Exhaustion clause barred significant military exercises during your allotted time as well.

My apologies, I don't think I read the terms that apply to me. I didn't think there were any, seeing how Ultra always told me I was so very insignificant in the war. How very intriguing, Ultra appears to be directly contradicting himself (unless the terms applying to me weren't HIS demands) once again.
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| May 4, 2011, 5:36 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How very intriguing, Ultra appears to be directly contradicting himself (unless the terms applying to me weren't HIS demands) once again.


No, it was an admin decision based on the fact that your entire military was decimated.
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| May 4, 2011, 6:38 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

No, it was an admin decision based on the fact that your entire military was decimated.

Entire military? When were my infantry wiped out? I did lose all of my Hyper War Chariots and more than half of my Macro War Chariots, I know that.
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| May 4, 2011, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Entire military? When were my infantry wiped out? I did lose all of my Hyper War Chariots and more than half of my Macro War Chariots, I know that.


Pretty much the backbone of your ground forces, yes. For all intents and purposes your military has been knocked out for some time, which is reflected in the 4 weeks of not being able to wage war.
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| May 4, 2011, 6:43 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Pretty much the backbone of your ground forces, yes. For all intents and purposes your military has been knocked out for some time, which is reflected in the 4 weeks of not being able to wage war.

The chariots are in fact not the backbone of my military, and I still have at least 550 our of the original 1,056 of them left, both from new production and remainders. The infantry are the backbone of my forces and the majority of them have remained in Egypt for the whole time.
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| May 4, 2011, 7:14 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The chariots are in fact not the backbone of my military, and I still have at least 550 our of the original 1,056 of them left, both from new production and remainders. The infantry are the backbone of my forces and the majority of them have remained in Egypt for the whole time.


Regardless, nothing is being changed if that is what you are vying for.
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| May 4, 2011, 7:15 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Regardless, nothing is being changed if that is what you are vying for.

All I wanted is to correct the idea that my military is destroyed. It is still very capable. In fact, I specialize in using small numbers.
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| May 4, 2011, 7:27 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Crackdowns continue on Islamics in the Republic, since civil rule has not taken over yet to protest the ruling. Compulsory deportations are a likelihood since any civil government that takes over would just let them out of any prisons. Libya, Sudan, Oman, Yemen, and Pakistan are likely areas for their relocation. Detractors are comparing it to the Trail of Tears, the High Command just politely points them to the headlines of recent events.

From Alberta to Baja to Washington, any captured enemy vehicles & aircraft that can be serviced will be(likely nothing too large, service vehicles and things left in haste around Las Vegas). Anything not capable of being serviced, like the 1,000+ wreaks on the Baja deserts, will be piled together crushed and sent to smelting plants for metal recycling.

The oil shipment to Chile has already set sail, the first coal shipment is being gathered together by rail. The M45 shipments are also assembling.

Area 51 is being overhauled & repaired, and we're prying through its rather expansive catacombs to see if anything interesting was added by the PCU whilst there for the 4 months they were. So far nothing has been found worthwhile.

Miscellaneous rebuilding continues on the light infrastructure damage inflicted during the war. Yet another civilian contracted fleet is being gathered for the repairs on Midway. Wake will receive similar treatment, though its light damage will be easily taken care of (Note that the CR definitively states that intercept was launched from the island just after the attack, runway damage must therefore be minimal). A new runway design is in the works for both. Instead of having a solid runway that is long and costly to repair, a two layer system is being developed that will allow for battlefield damage to be fixed by trained crews in as little as 5 minutes by simply replacing the affected slats. Later, the runway could undergo more effective and permanent repairs.

'The weapon' design is still being, er, designed. The M100 armor research is ongoing.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
...remainders... ...Contradictions...

All fifty of them. Literally. In fact, I'm thinking you're in the negative from the numbers you gave Arty to those destroyed.

You're still insignificant. Twice you threw yourself at me and suffered dreadfully with losses (about 4-500 vehicles each time and about 2-3x that in infantry) so no, I'm not worried about you at all.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
...specialize in small numbers...

Hopefully, because large numbers aren't your lucky ones.
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| May 4, 2011, 8:31 pm
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The Koaxiang government has released a statement that the Imperial Army took all their wrecked vehicles with them when they withdrew. The Western Republic will not find any Chinese technology to use out there.

The final round of production has ceased for the next week and few days. The factories will go silent for a bit. All is quiet... For now.
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| May 4, 2011, 8:39 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

The Commonwealth demands to know what is going on. We would also like to mention that any such invasion into Africa or Europe will result in immediate retaliation.

Also hypothetically if you were to attack me, who would be our mod?
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| May 4, 2011, 8:58 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
The Koaxiang government has released a statement that the Imperial Army took all their wrecked vehicles with them when they withdrew. The Western Republic will not find any Chinese technology to use out there.

Technology? Oh, you think in small terms. Besides, you didn't give me a chance to push you back much. Yours isn't what I'm talking about.

I really do wish Nick had held out long enough for the next CR to come out, though, it was to be the finest hour in a most devastating way. However, that's neither here nor there; and I won't say anymore because I'll be wanting to use the same plans when Nick starts charging over yonder hills like I knew he would from the get-go in 2 months. At least then no one will be able to holler such nonsense as "No cause for war..." And I'll be holding you to your end of the bargain for staying OUT of PCU territory. There was no provision for special cases when your pal goes postal.
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| May 4, 2011, 9:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Technology? Oh, you think in small terms. Besides, you didn't give me a chance to push you back much. Yours isn't what I'm talking about.

I really do wish Nick had held out long enough for the next CR to come out, though, it was to be the finest hour in a most devastating way. However, that's neither here nor there; and I won't say anymore because I'll be wanting to use the same plans when Nick starts charging over yonder hills like I knew he would from the get-go in 2 months. At least then no one will be able to holler such nonsense as "No cause for war..." And I'll be holding you to your end of the bargain for staying OUT of PCU territory. There was no provision for special cases when your pal goes postal.


Technology=Equipment in general. Armor is technology, weapons are technology, wheels are technology, and so on. It's bigger than you imagine. This is to make sure you don't start taking what you cannot claim by right.

My military involvement in America is based on defense of an allied nation. If he starts a war, I will have no part in it. I've got my own imperialism to look out for, and unlike everyone else in this group, I don't deny it.
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| May 4, 2011, 10:00 pm
Quoting henry wang
The Commonwealth demands to know what is going on. We would also like to mention that any such invasion into Africa or Europe will result in immediate retaliation.

Also hypothetically if you were to attack me, who would be our mod?

There is NO invasion fleet.
There may be a bunch of peacekeepers waiting about in case someone decides to finish the job, but there's no invasion fleet.

Hypothetically, I have no idea. Nick, probably.
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| May 4, 2011, 10:01 pm
Sorry to burst your bubble, Ultra, but Area 51 was destroyed. Nothing to be gained from that except a bunch of burned out catacombs of emptiness. You think I'd be unintelligent enough not to empty my most valuable base?

And no PCU equipment remained behind on the battlefield. Orders were to blow up everything not able to move with the last rounds when they pulled back to defensive positions. And everything that wasn't moved was blown up with high-explosives or by an airstrike. :P
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| May 4, 2011, 10:03 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I've got my own imperialism to look out for, and unlike everyone else in this group, I don't deny it.

I love imperialism. I don't hide it either.
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| May 4, 2011, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I love imperialism. I don't hide it either.


And yet, you continue to deny it's why you grabbed as much land as you could in the Needless War.

Anyways, we'll both have time for more, in the coming days. Just stay on your side of the ocean, and don't invade my allies. The same applies to me.
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| May 4, 2011, 10:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I love imperialism. I don't hide it either.

That's why you invaded me, most esteemed dunce.

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| May 4, 2011, 10:07 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Sorry to burst your bubble, Ultra, but Area 51 was destroyed. Nothing to be gained from that except a bunch of burned out catacombs of emptiness. You think I'd be unintelligent enough not to empty my most valuable base?

About 80% of the structures and facilities were destroyed, yes. That means that 20% are still standing. Nothing was said about the immaterial part of it, and they were the first places taken by my men. Prove your story. Like I'm honestly going to say I'll get plans to the MAF-2 or something? Get real and stop rewriting my stories, I'm tired of that.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
And yet, you continue to deny it's why you grabbed as much land as you could in the Needless War.

Because the PCU's continued existence, as is now becoming quite evident and open for everyone to see, was a threat after the blatant aggression in the Pacific. I will debate that no further except to say that I don't pursue imperialistic policies toward occupied nations because it's too expensive. The land, locations, and potential of the land in proper hands is quite inviting and I'm certainly glad for what of that is now mine, I admit. That is not, however, why I retaliated with such vigor after the PCU fired the first shots.


Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Anyways, we'll both have time for more, in the coming days. Just stay on your side of the ocean, and don't invade my allies. The same applies to me.

I don't have plans on initiating conflicts anytime soon.


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| May 4, 2011, 10:15 pm
I didn't re-write the stories. Those were my orders.

In the PCU, a large defense network is being built along the Border. No details at this time.

To our WC (losing competitors) friends, we're watching you. No sudden moves, or the Raptors will come.

Foreign News:

Senegal has annexed Guinea and Guinea-Bissau. They have willingly joined, as recent times have shown that Imperialistic Dictators like to grab land.

PCU peacekeepers (a garrison of five companies was kept there) have rode into the country in front of the Senegal Army on its run of eliminating (subsidizing) the drug trade.
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| May 4, 2011, 10:26 pm
In the SC...

The SCAF has decided to shrink our current Su-51 lot, although the rest will be put in storage. Also the first batch IF-15s are being pulled back from their current locations and being put in underground storage bunkers.

The Army has proposed a new uniform, that will hopefully be put in full service by Mid-June, The camouflage type is called FEAR. No more information is being given out about what it stands for or what the uniforms will be styled after.
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| May 4, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I didn't re-write the stories. Those were my orders.

In the PCU, a large defense network is being built along the Border. No details at this time.

To our WC (losing competitors) friends, we're watching you. No sudden moves, or the Raptors will come.


Yes, because you seem to be forgetting a little thing called "he can't do squat for 6 weeks."

Both of you grow up, stop claiming who won over the other (because its not clear cut), stop complaining when someone did what the point of the group is, and most of all STOP ARGUING WHO STARTED IT. Clearly no one is going to be satisfied, and by this time everyone already has made up their minds of what happened. Its beating a dead horse, shooting it in the head, flaming it with napalm, and then bulldozing the remains into the ground. I'm hearing the same stuff from both of you that we hear a month ago (or more).
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| May 4, 2011, 10:51 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I pretty much just said I was not going to debate it anymore. Notice I didn't respond to his comment? However, you're quite right, it is old. Very, very old...
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| May 4, 2011, 10:55 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I pretty much just said I was not going to debate it anymore. Notice I didn't respond to his comment? However, you're quite right, it is old. Very, very old...

YOU WERE THE ONE TALKING ABOUT IT. WHAT THE RAAAIIGIAWGQWNERGPIBNWEB
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| May 4, 2011, 10:56 pm
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Restraint...must have...
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| May 4, 2011, 10:58 pm
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Today, the UNC has decided to release an official image of our JAS-43 Sparv to the masses, albeit in a digitized format. The actual aircraft is currently undergoing final assembly.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4407/pressrelease1.png

And yes, this is actually being built right now.
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| May 4, 2011, 11:14 pm
I seek council with Awesome, if he could let me know when he's online. I'll be here all day pretty much.
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| May 5, 2011, 11:25 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
I seek council with Awesome, if he could let me know when he's online. I'll be here all day pretty much.

I seek council with Danny, Could some one tell me when he will check his FM, I'll be here all day pretty much

See what I did there?
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| May 5, 2011, 2:58 pm
Quoting luke peterson
I seek council with Danny, Could some one tell me when he will check his FM, I'll be here all day pretty much

See what I did there?

Well you've sent me a few, Can you send one more based on the current situation, the ones you've sent me are a few weeks old now.
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| May 5, 2011, 3:05 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Today, the UNC has decided to release an official image of our JAS-43 Sparv to the masses, albeit in a digitized format. The actual aircraft is currently undergoing final assembly.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4407/pressrelease1.png

And yes, this is actually being built right now.

8D I LOVE THEM!

GLORY TO THE LANDS OF THE NORTH!!!
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| May 5, 2011, 3:49 pm
Several PCU destroyers sailed out into the Pacific from their previous positions, holding above the wrecks of PCU vessels. They are staking the areas out for later, when salvage vessels can send divers down to take off the heavy metal plating on the outsides.

Paying a favor, three Los Angeles-class submarines, escorted by two Tico-cruisers, went to the area where the Egyptian vessels were sunk, and their cargo was spilled. Diving down, they fired torpedoes and dropped heavy depth charges onto the wreckage, destroying all of the equipment, but not before a few specimens were picked up, and any bodies were plucked up. The bodies will be sent to Egypt for funerals, and the Chariots will be kept in the National Museum of Union History.

In the political spectrum, Governor Shelton has named James Brooks, his Vice-Governor, and intended successor.
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| May 5, 2011, 6:15 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
In the political spectrum, Governor Shelton has named James Brooks, his Vice-Governor, and intended successor.


Ah yes, head of the Union Trading Company, and owner of many a cotton plantation. He should be able to do well in economic terms.
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| May 5, 2011, 6:48 pm
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According to the definition of territorial waters of 12 nautical miles, the PCU fleet is incurring on our territory. The position of our fleet was well within this radius, and all ships were undoubtedly sunken within this distance. Our vessels are there as well, and we're not going to let you pry around them. It is considered an act of war and is in direct violation of the militaristic exhaustion clause imposed upon our nations.

Withdraw your vessels immediately or face admin penalty, sir.
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| May 5, 2011, 6:56 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Several PCU destroyers sailed out into the Pacific from their previous positions, holding above the wrecks of PCU vessels. They are staking the areas out for later, when salvage vessels can send divers down to take off the heavy metal plating on the outsides.

Paying a favor, three Los Angeles-class submarines, escorted by two Tico-cruisers, went to the area where the Egyptian vessels were sunk, and their cargo was spilled. Diving down, they fired torpedoes and dropped heavy depth charges onto the wreckage, destroying all of the equipment, but not before a few specimens were picked up, and any bodies were plucked up. The bodies will be sent to Egypt for funerals, and the Chariots will be kept in the National Museum of Union History.

In the political spectrum, Governor Shelton has named James Brooks, his Vice-Governor, and intended successor.

Hello? War Exhaustion, ring a bell? "No military action or production" means you CAN'T take warships out of port, or build more tanks and such for that matter
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| May 5, 2011, 7:04 pm
I am not withdrawing my ships, for I am doing my duty as a Unionman to rescue the bodies of fallen soldiers, national heroes. Egyptians are held in this regard by the higher ups as well. This is not a military action, this is a governmental, peace-time operation being done. We're just using warships as security.

If the Admins wish me to leave, then I do pardon that they back off. Next time their civilians are dead in oceans, lets see them do what they need to do.

TL;DR: No.
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| May 5, 2011, 7:07 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Hello? War Exhaustion, ring a bell? "No military action or production" means you CAN'T take warships out of port, or build more tanks and such for that matter

Shuffling war equipment around doesn't count.
If it does, that means manufacture is impossible as well, since once the first tank gets finished, it can't be moved, and must therefore clog up the production line.
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| May 5, 2011, 7:11 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I am not withdrawing my ships, for I am doing my duty as a Unionman to rescue the bodies of fallen soldiers, national heroes. Egyptians are held in this regard by the higher ups as well. This is not a military action, this is a governmental, peace-time operation being done. We're just using warships as security.

If the Admins wish me to leave, then I do pardon that they back off. Next time their civilians are dead in oceans, lets see them do what they need to do.

TL;DR: No.

So then you won't mind me waltzing into your territory and collecting the wrecks of my planes and bodies of my pilots, would you? Thought not. It's the same thing. I'll have my fleet tugs lasso your ships and drag them out if necessary; since we can't shoot at each other.


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| May 5, 2011, 8:00 pm
Many weeks ago, the Pharaoh held a secret meeting in his palace in Waset (Thebes) inviting all the leaders of the major non-player Muslim nations of the world- across the middle east and Africa. The idea- to create a grand union to defend Islam against persecution across the world and to try to sort out the Sunni-Shia differences to form a more united nation of Islam.

In these weeks it has been largely successful, as time has passed, the initial reasons for the split have become extreme blurry. Everyone knows it was a conflict over who would succeed Mohammed, but it is being agreed that Mohammed would have wanted a united nation of Islam. We are forgetting our squabbles and uniting as one against those who wish to oppress the faithful.

Today the Islamic Defense Union (name subject to change) has been officially established. Legislation on our first order of business is to come shortly.

I suppose I'll let the admins confirm this first. The time variable can be confirmed by and FM I sent Tom (one of the last) when he was the CM most recently.

EDIT: Upon request a list of member states will be made if the admins permit.

EDIT 2: We don't agree on everything currently, of course, there's a ton of squabbling over bits and pieces of different things, but the union is solid. Sunni-Shia argument is relatively low due to the fresh generations of young (compared to earlier times) democratic leaders present.
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| May 5, 2011, 8:00 pm
Many of the hulks of these ships are not within Midway's twelve miles, so your point is invalid. I'm not waltzing into your land either, I'm giving notification. I'm not doing anything yet, just holding my areas.

And the PCU populace is a little (not going to have it) angry at the WR, so any attempt to enter their country, even allowed, would have bad results with the People's Guard.
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| May 5, 2011, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Many of the hulks of these ships are not within Midway's twelve miles, so your point is invalid. I'm not waltzing into your land either, I'm giving notification. I'm not doing anything yet, just holding my areas.

Well, that's where my fleet was, and that's where your subs would have been sunk, re-read the CR (you seem to have a recurring trouble with critical reading skills when it comes to those things). I will debate this no further. You stay out, or we'll drag you out, period.

Quoting Nick Shelton
And the PCU populace is a little (not going to have it) angry at the WR, so any attempt to enter their country, even allowed, would have bad results with the People's Guard.

Stop me, go ahead. Regardless, it is to make a point that you are obviously oblivious to, and I will not waste my time explaining what isn't within your power to comprehend as an example and not a proposed course of action.
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| May 5, 2011, 8:18 pm
Come within firing range of any ship, and you know what's going to happen there. I was under the impression that your ships were stationed away from Midway, and then after I sank 97% of them, we moved on to Midway. Either way, I'm not in your territorial waters under any circumstance.

Anyways, the PCU demands they not be bothered in their quest to provide funerals for their soldiers. As per the PCU's honor, we sent all your dead soldiers to the border, not past it.
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| May 5, 2011, 8:25 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Come within firing range of any ship, and you know what's going to happen there. I was under the impression that your ships were stationed away from Midway, and then after I sank 97% of them, we moved on to Midway. Either way, I'm not in your territorial waters under any circumstance.

You'll do nothing of the sort! For heaven's sake you are powerless to retaliate as I am to forcefully remove you (note the difference between forceful and physical). My ships were stationed around Midway forming a defensive circle. Your ships didn't move on to Midway as the CR said nothing about that (regardless of whether you ordered it or not, it wasn't said. Volumes could be filled with what was ordered versus what actually happened). My marines still controlled Midway, so it's my territory. Whatever of your ships were sunk was in my territorial waters and I couldn't care less about your 'heroic' sailors. They will lie at rest where they are in a sailor's final resting place; weep for them, but come no closer.

And 19% of my vessels survived (8), thank you.


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| May 5, 2011, 8:37 pm
You are powerless. My men will be saved, come heII or high water. Caupo strike me down, my men will be rescued. You can't change that.
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| May 5, 2011, 8:41 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

EDIT: Upon request a list of member states will be made if the admins permit.



I have no qualms with creating a regional government like what you describe. I would indeed like to see the member states.
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| May 5, 2011, 9:00 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Check FM please.
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| May 5, 2011, 9:25 pm
A recent survey has shown good-sized portions of Gold deposits in South-Central Oregon. The Union has sent out men to acquire it, and bring it to warehouses in the West.
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| May 5, 2011, 9:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Matt Hacker

Check FM please.


I really can't do anything about it because its unclear where the wrecks are. However, since Nick is very respectful to his soldiers and citizens, it does surprise me that he would disturb his own war graves. /personal note
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| May 5, 2011, 9:30 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I really can't do anything about it because its unclear where the wrecks are. However, since Nick is very respectful to his soldiers and citizens, it does surprise me that he would disturb his own war graves. /personal note

I believe that many civilians would rather not have an empty box put in the ground, you know?

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| May 5, 2011, 9:33 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I believe that many civilians would rather not have an empty box put in the ground, you know?


Its your nation, your civvies, and your customs. Feel free to handle the situation the way you feel is the best. However, to reduce tensions, perhaps you could hire civilian deep sea contractors to do the job.
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| May 5, 2011, 9:35 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I really can't do anything about it because its unclear where the wrecks are. However, since Nick is very respectful to his soldiers and citizens, it does surprise me that he would disturb his own war graves. /personal note

Very clearly stated in the CR was the fact that 9 Los Angeles submarines were struck down by ASW copters just after taking down a carrier and following attacks. My carriers would have been within easy eyesight of Midway, as I had them stationed there orbiting the island.

So, that's at least 9 ships of the 20 or so lost by the PCU that are safely within Midway's territorial waters. Otherwise, those are my ships down there.

Can you at least stop him from breaching territorial waters and effectively committing an act of war? The only thing stopping me from gunning him down now is the imposed exhaustion. Civilian ships registered to the PCU won't be allowed either.

Quoting Nick Shelton
A recent survey has shown good-sized portions of Gold deposits in South-Central Oregon. The Union has sent out men to acquire it, and bring it to warehouses in the West.

Funny how everyone tells me that gold isn't going to help my economy, yet it's the first thing everyone goes after to help their own. Just like oil, it's a good economy builder for everyone but me.
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| May 5, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CudA99mUoz0&feature=related

If you wish to waste bullets on my ships, I'll gladly expend bombs onto precious Midway.

And if you wish to prohibit my ships, well, then you're going to have to enforce it. Because I simply do not care.
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| May 5, 2011, 9:54 pm
Oh bollocks, there goes Cliffe making a theocracy.
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| May 5, 2011, 9:57 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CudA99mUoz0&feature=related

If you wish to waste bullets on my ships, I'll gladly expend bombs onto precious Midway.

And if you wish to prohibit my ships, well, then you're going to have to enforce it. Because I simply do not care.

What is your problem? You seem not to realize that you simply cannot commit such an act of war because of the prohibition. Just like I simply cannot stroll into your territory and extract my men from the planes.

It's upside down. You cannot breach the territorial waters around Midway for the same reason I can't stop you. Breaching it would constitute an act of war, and me stopping you would constitute an act of war.

I've stated my case, backed up by the CR. The admins have threatened harsh penalties for breaches, not even military exercises are allowed. Go ahead, beat your head against the wall, see what the admins do, eh?
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| May 5, 2011, 10:00 pm
Member states of the new IDU include:

Kuwait
Qatar
Yemen
Oman
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Libya
Chad
Niger
Mauritania

Feel free to inquire as to the reason others did not join.

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| May 5, 2011, 10:01 pm
My problem is that your helicopters have the range to get away from Midway, and since it wasn't shown in the CR where the battle took place, I am well within my rights of extracting my wanted materials. Good day, madam.
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| May 5, 2011, 10:02 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Member states of the new IDU include:

Syria
Iraq
Jordan
Kuwait
Qatar
Yemen
Oman
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Libya
Algeria
Chad
Niger
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Eritrea



I think you should focus on only one or two neighboring nations at a time...
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| May 5, 2011, 10:11 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I said it in the FM, and I'll say it now. You can stay out of the upper Middle East, kthxbai.


And Western North Africa.
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| May 5, 2011, 10:18 pm
List is updated, much better now.
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| May 5, 2011, 10:18 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I said it in the FM, and I'll say it now. You can stay out of the upper Middle East, kthxbai.

Nah, I'm fine with it. It's nice of you to think of my "Asia for the Asians" policy, but for reasons both secret and not so secret, I'm not too worried about Cliffe misbehaving.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Oh bollocks, there goes Cliffe making a theocracy.

Inb4 admin induced riots.
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| May 5, 2011, 10:30 pm
Currently in South Africa, military excercises will be held, and this will mean that the military's alert status will be risen as well. The excercise invatation will also be offered to out Baltic friends in Nambia.

Gold mining in Africa is also continuing as planned, and new mines for other resources are also being opened. This has led to large gains in mining stocks back in London.

A permanent naval detachment is also being set up in South Africa to counter any future aggression.

A more advanced integrated air defense network is also being set up in South Africa. With numerous Rapier 2 Missile batteries supported by numerous MULBERY radar vehicles and emplacements. Along with that, the Rapier 2 missile system is being upgraded to be capable of combatting ballistic missiles, while our lighter SAMs will be able to combat cruise missiles.

Research is currently being invested into asymmetric warfare. We hope to be able o avoid cyber attacks like the ones in the American Civil War and we also hope to be able to attack the systems of our enemies as well.

Finally our policy on civilian casualties is being revised. We hope that with our new policy future civilian casualties can be avoided.
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| May 5, 2011, 10:41 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Going to be rude here. Didn't know you had that policy Artsee, I was speaking from the standpoint of my foreign policy.

Really? You didn't seem to have any problems with the Saudis invading Iran.
Although that guy's been inactive for so long it looks like Saudi Arabia is back to being an NPC state.

If it makes you feel better, most of those states he's forming into Ethnic Nation #1 have dismal militaries, and I don't think Awe would like the idea of Cliffe trying to conquer India. I don't think Erik wants Cliffe to have Turkey, either. He can't expand further than Iran without irritating someone bigger than himself.

(Can't see how you think that's rude, either.)

Quoting henry wang
A permanent naval detachment is also being set up in South Africa to counter any future aggression.

Translation: if we're gonna invade someone to the northwest, there ain't gonna be no peacekeepers keeping us honest.
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| May 5, 2011, 10:58 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

If I haven't invaded him already why would I do it now?

Why do you even care, because it's my part of my country and you have no right to do anything to stop me. Why, is this interfering with your master plans?
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| May 5, 2011, 11:02 pm
Egypt will be making some serious upgrades to its fleet of 1,700 M60 tanks. Among these upgrades will be active defense systems (if possible), classified armor upgrades, and 115mm smoothbore guns capable of firing missiles.

These vehicles will now be known as War Chariot Class IIs, with Macro and Giga war chariots being known as Class Is and technicals and other light vehicles being Class IIIs.
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| May 5, 2011, 11:02 pm
Quoting henry wang
If I haven't invaded him already why would I do it now?

Why do you even care, because it's my part of my country and you have no right to do anything to stop me. Why, is this interfering with your master plans?

You didn't have any right to interfere with Ham, either.

Master plans, hm.. nevermind then.
Feel free to redistribute your forces as you wish.
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| May 5, 2011, 11:08 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
You didn't have any right to interfere with Ham, either.

Master plans, hm.. nevermind then.
Feel free to redistribute your forces as you wish.

What do you mean Ham, when did I ever interfere with him. If your talking about back before the war, well he was going to break European Neutrality, and possibly spark retaliation towards Europe, so yeah, I had to interfere. I find it very very hypocritical that your teaching me about interfering because your the person who didn't want Saudi Arabia invading the country next to you. I just did the same thing except in Africa.

Yes, and I will redistribute my forces freely.

On another note, airport security is being upgraded, and we will begin to use better passport scanners.
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| May 5, 2011, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
My problem is that your helicopters have the range to get away from Midway, and since it wasn't shown in the CR where the battle took place, I am well within my rights of extracting my wanted materials. Good day, madam.

Carriers were within roughly 2-4 miles of Midway (max of 6 miles). CR: "ASW ships attempt to take more, but the subs have executed a bizarre tactic. Getting extremely close to the carriers, they fire Tomahawk missiles right at their sides, to great effect. One sub was even able to successfully get under the old Essx class and fire a missile straight up, splitting it in half and sinking it. At this point, the former Spanish carrier has taken great damage, and the Nimitz and Forrestal have taken moderate damage. All PCU subs were then sunk. [4/5/11]" <- There you have it, at least 5 subs out of 6 sunk are within 12 miles of Midway. Mitts off, pal. Otherwise, since Mk 48 torpedoes have an effective range exceeding 12 miles, I'm willing to say that the other 4 were possibly not in territorial waters.

I'm wondering what sort of penalties it will take before you'll get a clue.
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| May 5, 2011, 11:14 pm
Quoting henry wang
What do you mean Ham, when did I ever interfere with him. If your talking about back before the war, well he was going to break European Neutrality, and possibly spark retaliation towards Europe, so yeah, I had to interfere. I find it very very hypocritical that your teaching me about interfering because your the person who didn't want Saudi Arabia invading the country next to you. I just did the same thing except in Africa.



On another note, airport security is being upgraded, and we will begin to use better passport scanners.

"European neutrality"- hah. What about letting Ultra use Jamaica as a base?

Actually, no, there's a difference: Saudi Arabia, by conquering Iran, was threatening to become a power capable of being a threat to me. Angola invading Mozambique? Even if Luke conquered half of Africa, he'd still be harmless.

@borders: let's be honest here, if someone really wanted to infiltrate your country, they wouldn't have to use airports. They could stow away on ships, or use authentic passports illegally obtained, or parachute from a stolen civil aircraft, or sneak up via miniature submarine, or any number of other methods.
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| May 6, 2011, 12:23 am
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Quoting Thomas N
Maybe they got out of international waters before being sunken? It actually takes a good deal of time to track and kill a sub from the air, time enough for them to flee soem decent distance back out to sea before being killed. Remember, just because they were sunken, doesn't mean it was necessarily instantly.

Just the facts, sir. What 'might be' and what is said is two different things. My claims are based on the CR, Nick's are based on wishful thinking. Apparently I didn't have a long time to track them down. Here Ham actually gives me an out by the fact that the entire battle occurred in so very short time that there wasn't much time to track them down. From the wording, it's almost like they surfaced or came very near it, which is suicide for any ship that close to a carrier.

Quoting Areetsa C
Actually, no, there's a difference: Saudi Arabia, by conquering Iran, was threatening to become a power capable of being a threat to me.

Whoa! Stop the presses! You mean someone becoming a threat to you might actually be considered a cause for war? Heresy!

Actually, I agree, I was just being satirical since no one else thinks it justifies it.

@Euro neutrality: That was a mistake on my part, I believed I was granted an operating base there when I was not. However, it was no different than Ham delivering Nick or Cliffe's special operatives, was it?
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| May 6, 2011, 12:24 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Whoa! Stop the presses! You mean someone becoming a threat to you might actually be considered a cause for war? Heresy!

Actually, I agree, I was just being satirical since no one else thinks it justifies it.

@Euro neutrality: That was a mistake on my part, I believed I was granted an operating base there when I was not. However, it was no different than Ham delivering Nick or Cliffe's special operatives, was it?

Sorry, miswrote: should have been "becoming a power capable of being a threat to me with no problem invading neighbors over flimsy concerns like 20 year old events, having only just joined, and being a person with whom I had no familiarity. (I like to know my neighbors. And if I don't know them, I like to be more of a threat to them than they are to me.)


Well, then: there never WAS "european neutrality", then, was there?
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| May 6, 2011, 1:10 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, then: there never WAS "european neutrality", then, was there?


For the most part, yes, with some sad exceptions. Also, we are watching a specific Euro very closely based off of some plans which may be of some familiarity to you.
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| May 6, 2011, 6:44 am
Quoting Matt Hacker
For the most part, yes, with some sad exceptions. Also, we are watching a specific Euro very closely based off of some plans which may be of some familiarity to you.

Hm?
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| May 6, 2011, 7:11 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Hm?


Well, I have my suspicions that you may still follow through on your usual vague threats, and I don't trust this person enough to assume that he's not "in" on such a plan.
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| May 6, 2011, 8:49 am
Quoting Matt Hacker
Well, I have my suspicions that you may still follow through on your usual vague threats, and I don't trust this person enough to assume that he's not "in" on such a plan.

What threats? I quite specifically stated that there ISN'T an invasion fleet lurking just off the coast of South Africa and making obscene gestures at fishermen.


Although I can see why you might be confused, with the whole "here's a list of things that aren't happening, some of them are lies and some of them are true" method I use of keeping things interesting.
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| May 6, 2011, 9:17 am
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Today, in the Western Republic...

The WRNS Grapple (former USNS Grapple) and four of her sisters showed up around Midway today for salvage operations along with 4 Marlin-class semi-submersible heavy ships. The rest of the Pacific fleet showed up shortly after with the Australians and the newest submarine WRS Iron Works amid fears with the heavy PCU presence in the area. Battle damage reports filled out by the admiral of the surviving Nimitz-class have led to hopes that the WRS Brigand (or St. Elmo, identification was unclear in the chaos), Typhoon, Rascal, and New Hope (the last three being Arleigh-Burke class) could be raised from the shallow waters and re-floated. The real prize is, however, the WRS Great Falls, the Forrestal-class carrier lodged in the shallower waters near shore. There is little doubt as to the viability of raising this last ship, but divers will have to make a careful survey beforehand so that it can be determined whether she can be repaired once surfaced. She'll be run ashore on the beaches of Midway until patches make her hull sea worthy. Afterward, like the Nimitz is currently, she'll be sent to Hawaii to undergo permanent repairs. The science vessel, lurking in classified locations for most of the war, has reappeared with its odd crew. They will begin assessing options for raising the vessels in question.

Before anyone starts complaining or hollering, this is very real and it can be done. The Russians lost a sub to an internal explosion in 2000, she was salvaged successfully in 2001, suffering heavier damage than most of the vessels that were sunk around Midway (with the exception of the dubiously successful underneath attack in which the Los Angeles submarine undoubtedly blew itself to pieces with the concussion of its own missiles in the shallow waters, yet slicing the poor Lady Lex in two). Unlike what Tom says (sorry Tom, just using you as an example) ships do not become piles of ash when the enemy 'destroys' or 'sinks' them. They are very real and repairable. It's been done in the past, and if this group is a reflection of realism, then it can be done in the future.

The verdict is still out on which two of the 7 LA class subs in the Midway territorial waters are ours. We'll begin inspections shortly to determine the nationalities of the ships. The Virginia-class was easily identified, and we'll be cracking her open soon to recover the men inside. As for the other vessels, the materials on board will serve quite the use in the future (iron, steel, stuff like that) and the hulks will be either re-floated or salvaged on the spot. It will take months for these operations to be successful, but they will be.

As for Alenia, the Western Republic is also very aware of certain things and, is apropos though often trite, "We're watching you..."

Otherwise, stuff is ongoing, making money, stuff like that.
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| May 6, 2011, 12:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Before anyone starts complaining or hollering, this is very real and it can be done. The Russians lost a sub to an internal explosion in 2000, she was salvaged successfully in 2001, suffering heavier damage than most of the vessels that were sunk around Midway (with the exception of the dubiously successful underneath attack in which the Los Angeles submarine undoubtedly blew itself to pieces with the concussion of its own missiles in the shallow waters, yet slicing the poor Lady Lex in two). Unlike what Tom says (sorry Tom, just using you as an example) ships do not become piles of ash when the enemy 'destroys' or 'sinks' them. They are very real and repairable. It's been done in the past, and if this group is a reflection of realism, then it can be done in the future.

Which means the PCU can do it too.
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| May 6, 2011, 5:38 pm
The PCU Naval Captains in charge of their vessels have been told not to waver from their orders in not provoking conflict, and not to raise weapons unless fired upon. Otherwise, they have dropped anchors.

The PCU Government is wondering how the WC can afford to lift all those ships, considering how expensive it is. We'd know.

The Basilica Pacifica, the capital building of the Pacific Union, finished its rebuilding yesterday. Throughout the construction, indentured servants worked tirelessly on it. Yesterday, in a mass ceremony, Governor Shelton and Vice-Governor Brooks dedicated the Cathedral, and the first ones to step through it were the servants who built it. After they walked through, they were given their freedom, and will forever be known as the Heroes of '37.

The HGS Pacifica has rose to prominence among Navy circles, as it avoided detection the entire American Civil War. Today, it launched twenty MAF-2s from its deck to two America-class LHAs off the coast of Midway. ASW Helicopters have taken off from San Diego, and are also contained on those baby carriers. We don't want to have to shoot, but if we have to, we'll respond.

The Border Force, having been supplemented heavily behind the lines during the lull, are being raised to 99% capacity.
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| May 6, 2011, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
We don't want to have to shoot, but if we have to, we'll respond


Please stop pretending that you aren't trying to make things escalate, or that Ultra alone is to blame for this. He's not the only one that makes highly aggressive actions when you shouldn't be able to do this.

Also, whats the point? We will literally prevent you from shooting for two months, and Ultra cannot do so for 6 weeks. For all intents and purposes you are attempting to get Ultra more pissed off than he already is, like a slap to the face. Cut it out.
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| May 6, 2011, 5:57 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Which means the PCU can do it too.

I couldn't care less what he does OUTSIDE my territorial waters.
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| May 6, 2011, 5:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I couldn't care less what he does OUTSIDE my territorial waters.

YAY! HGS John Hood here we come!
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| May 6, 2011, 6:21 pm
In the SC...

Certain islands are being patrolled around by the Navy. ASW Helocopters are being readied incase something shows up. The marine garrison on "X" is being limited to 500 men, and many Marines are happy to be returning home. The SC Naval Command has ordered 8 of the new Mazatlan Class Destroyer. (Pics coming soon.)

The FEAR Camo project is going along fine and a full set of prototype BDUs, Helmet covers, and MOLLE Type systems.
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| May 6, 2011, 6:26 pm
The Union Navy has declared that any ship entering within 1 mile of any Union Navy wreck is trespassing, and liable to be engaged.

Likewise, the Navy has cordoned off large sections of sea between Baja and Midway, in response to the Chinese undergoing civil business there.
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| May 6, 2011, 7:08 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton


No. You cannot declare parts of international water to be tresspassing. Since this situation has become so completely useless and utterly pointless, this is it. Send civvie contractors (both sides) to do the work, or don't do it at all. That's not a suggestion either, this time. No carriers, no subs, no frigates. Just civilians.

Your cordoning off of Baja is useless too since you can't do anything for 2 months unless explicitly attacked, and considering how someone could waltz through without firing it is even less useful.

Ultra: same thing for the recovery operation. Civvies only and keep your fleet/airforce away from the PCU military vessels that WILL be headed away from the area.

Oh, and this decision is not up for debate or interpretation. Doing so may be unfortunate for membership in this group for a day or two.
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| May 6, 2011, 7:18 pm
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The Koaxiang government is sending a strictly civilian team to raise the wreck of the HGS John Hood, as we have been given leave by the Union to do so. If it is unraisable, it shall be cut apart piece by piece for salvage. The team is obviously not there, but this is an announcement of intent.
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| May 6, 2011, 7:32 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

There was a bit of mis-communication between Ultra and I, but we intended there to be neutrality. Hence why I wanted ham to stop, and he was the first one to try to break it when he attempted to invade Georgia.

Also yes, Luke was becoming quite powerful, and at least Saudi Arabia had the decency to state a reason why all of it was happening. Luke just randomly said that he was invading X, Y, and Z. Well in my book I gave him fair warning the first couple of times by letting it slide and telling him DO NOT COME NEAR ME! Yet, he did not care and bam, out of the blue he invaded the country right on top of me. Well when I discussed it with my neighbor, Tom, we agreed that he was becoming a regional power that was also a loose cannon. So we came to the consensus that he needed to be stopped, I gave him the opportunity to just quit while not having to give up anything. I have no idea why, but he decided to attack my civilians twice, and one of those was despite the signing of a non-aggression pact. So I do believe that justice was served, and I will do no more.
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| May 6, 2011, 8:57 pm
With the Chinese announcing their intents, the cordoned areas have been released to the public once more. The military ships will remain in place until their counterpart salvage vessels can be sent out. No dives are being conducted except to test the ship's structural integrity.

As planned, they will move when civvies arrive.

(The Union thinks the Europeans blatant attempt to cut off the Union from resources is a clear link between their obvious bias towards the Allied Cause, especially the WR).
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| May 6, 2011, 9:56 pm
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...And just for good measure, you're fashionably refusing to comply until the last moment. Real mature.

Just so the record is straight, those 13 Australian vessels that are now turning around back for Hawaii still have clearance to fire since they aren't under the (for lack of a better term) agreed nocanfirethingy and could take out your ships in one salvo (since, you know, you can't fire the first shot and all). Those pesky 'Euros' saved your fleet, you should be thanking them.

Oh, you still can't send in civilian ships around Midway. Actually, civilian vessels fit under the 200 nautical mile "Exclusive Economic Zone" clause of the territorial water lines because you're really just after an economic commodity called raw materials... Hmm. That would safely eclipse the entire battlefield and close out the Sea of Cortez with your precious carrier in it (or just outside). Actually, it does anyway because it fits into the "Internal Waters" clause, so Brazil and I would split that area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

So, for the record, you're not allowed anywhere near the Midway battlefield.
Those ships are lost forever to you. It's my territory, I can tell you where you can and cannot go. Now without your interloping navy, you cannot force your way in and you'll just have to stay out. Do not, do NOT pretend you wouldn't do the same thing were the roles reversed.
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| May 6, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Just so the record is straight, those 13 Australian vessels that are now turning around back for Hawaii still have clearance to fire since they aren't under the (for lack of a better term) agreed nocanfirethingy and could take out your ships in one salvo (since, you know, you can't fire the first shot and all). Those pesky 'Euros' saved your fleet, you should be thanking them.

Oh, you still can't send in civilian ships around Midway. Actually, civilian vessels fit under the 200 nautical mile "Exclusive Economic Zone" clause of the territorial water lines because you're really just after an economic commodity called raw materials... Hmm. That would safely eclipse the entire battlefield and close out the Sea of Cortez with your precious carrier in it (or just outside). Actually, it does anyway because it fits into the "Internal Waters" clause, so Brazil and I would split that area.


1) You will not engage, no matter what. If Nick fires against you, we can make the CR "disappear" so there is no cause for alarm.
2) For the sake of what is good, allow the PCU civilians to retrieve the bodies from the waters in the Economic Zone, but given in your territorial waters, I don't think I can force you to make a decision, but I strongly suggest allowing him in.
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| May 6, 2011, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

1) You will not engage, no matter what. If Nick fires against you, we can make the CR "disappear" so there is no cause for alarm.
2) For the sake of what is good, allow the PCU civilians to retrieve the bodies from the waters in the Economic Zone, but given in your territorial waters, I don't think I can force you to make a decision, but I strongly suggest allowing him in.

1) That was just a statement to show that I could have done something to him while he couldn't do anything to me.
2) Fine. Bodies only. Ships belong to me. PCU survivors that were picked up along with us were already returned. I have little doubt Nick isn't after the bodies alone, but that's all he'll be taking.
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| May 6, 2011, 10:55 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
2) Fine. Bodies only. Ships belong to me. PCU survivors that were picked up along with us were already returned. I have little doubt Nick isn't after the bodies alone, but that's all he'll be taking.


Makes sense.
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| May 6, 2011, 10:56 pm
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So, looks like Nick has been removed. Here's what he has to say:

"The obvious maturity shown by the Admins astounds me. Their wish to ally with the WR by kicking me out of my own group is an outrage in all senses of the word." He also continues to claim the lost PCU ships are his.

Here's what I have to say: Let me guess, tired of the bickering?
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| May 6, 2011, 11:26 pm
Yea, so whoever did that is obviously the most maturest man in this group.

Anyways, here is what I have to say about Ultra's "revelations".

If they weren't in my waters, which my ships aren't in yours, then I would let you get them. I wouldn't like it, BUT. I would let you retrieve your men and salvage your vessel, because that is your ship, not mine. Your attempt to cut me off from resources by declaring nearly the entire Pacific "yours" is a disgrace to your entire nation, and any nation allied with your nation (ahem, Scandinavia).

So here is my last offer. The PCU will retrieve its men, and its metals from its ship. We won't settle for anything less than what we are entitled to.


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| May 6, 2011, 11:34 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Here's what I have to say: Let me guess, tired of the bickering?


Yes, and I have grown weary of being accused of being biased on an Adminly level. CR related claims of bias, I can handle. Whining when he doesn't get his way because ALL THREE admins rule against him and specifically claim that I am pulling all the strings and that I am picking on him- that is different. That is called being a small child, much like my 3 and a half year old sisters.
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| May 6, 2011, 11:36 pm
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Yes, very tired. Seems we're the only ones, though.

Regardless, by every international rule, they are mine, period. We don't care what he claims, would it be fair or right for me to claim every aircraft lost in his territory and move in to take them? No, and no one would say that it was either (least of all the party in question). Same with ships. They're in my territory. Now, if they were afloat, I could understand. If I'd boarded them and taken them aprize, I'd understand. But they're dead and gone. Ghosts are better left that way.


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| May 6, 2011, 11:39 pm
Well than that's it. The PCU has been s-crew-ed over once again. It wasn't enough for the Allies to get us in the treaty, they have to continue to make sure the PCU never ever regains even a miniscule fraction of its former power. I see it now.

The PCU cannot build anything anymore. They began the process of acquiring materials for buildings for their displaced civilians from a war started by Warmongering Rulers, and when they get to their destination, they are struck down by those same Warmongering Rulers. 'No!' they say. 'No, you can't help your own civilians! You simply cannot!' They do this, sons and daughters of the Union, because they cannot imagine a world where they're interests are not the only ones on the podium. They are selfish, and for that, they are not worthy of my time.
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| May 6, 2011, 11:40 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Well than that's it. The PCU has been s-crew-ed over once again. It wasn't enough for the Allies to get us in the treaty, they have to continue to make sure the PCU never ever regains even a miniscule fraction of its former power. I see it now.


Wait a few months, and you will be fine. Stop making outlandish claims, and you will be fine. If you noticed, I made both of you do the same thing- just in this case only one of you had vessels in waters that do not belong to the other. Its as clear cut as that. I even researched maritime borders and treaties to make sure that my decision was sound. I overturned Ultra's assertions that you couldn't be allowed to do anything, or that you should stay 200 miles out. And yet, I still take the blame for something that I didn't even start.

P.S. Since I think I nearly had a heart attack due to extreme amounts of built up annoyance (at many people, even not in group) I won't be doing much for a while. I'm also glad that everyone decided to stay.


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| May 6, 2011, 11:47 pm
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Well, looks like that situation was resolved. Looks like, since the PCU won't be bothering with it, that we will either forward the bodies or give them a seaman's burial with all respect. Which is your choice?

And for the record, I can't produce anything either, you know. At least not until 6 weeks from now.
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| May 7, 2011, 12:01 am
Each and every ship outside of your 14-mile or so exclusion zone will be taken by the PCU to the extent of our wishes. We will use the metal to build houses for our badly-hurt people. A noble cause, being hampered by selfishness.
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| May 7, 2011, 12:08 am
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Yay! New UNC populous report.

Mass protests were staged today in Oslo decrying UNC sales of weapons to the WR- weapons that some claim were partially responsible for propping up the "morally reprehensible" government. The protesters noted that the WR largely suppresses civil and political freedoms- such as openly attacking Muslims and h0mos3xuals. The protests appeared to have been gaining more popular support, as news reports from inside the post-war WR have revealed the civil and human rights "atrocities" that are occurring within the nation. What this means for the government operations remains to be unseen, although the centrist party currently in power seems to be losing ground against liberals.

Marking a fundamental shift in marketing, the UNC has announced (perhaps due to the protests) that we will no longer sell military equipment to non-European buyers.

On a more personal note, I think I'll stay on the sideline for a while, so knock yourselves out with constant argument.
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| May 7, 2011, 12:15 am
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Well, Matt left it up to me as to whether or not I let you in at all, bodies or not. Once again, if you don't agree, you're not coming in. I hate to go against the unofficial request and wishes of the admins, but it is my territory, and I control it. How blind do you think we are? You couldn't care less about your civilians, you're just stockpiling until you can produce again.

We could come to some sort of agreement, of course, but I'm not in the mood with you dictating what you will do inside MY territory like it's yours or something.

And the 200 nautical mile limit is on for all of our lands for anything economically viable (established by international law), you will not be allowed to cross it, sorry to say. Since steel is an economic commodity, you just cannot cross it.

You will, of course, say you can and we'll go another 5 rounds with this. I will not. You will either take the bodies alone or not at all. We will retrieve them for you. We have all the proprietary claims and you have none other than "You no can haz! Me want, you greedy!" Which is very annoying and tiring.

Quoting Matt Hacker
The protesters noted that the WR largely suppresses civil and political freedoms- such as openly attacking Muslims.

As I have clearly stated on multiple occasions, the day you tell me that the Muslims in my land cannot be turned at the flip of a switch against me by any vengeful person who spins a convincing story is the day that I stop it and take it all back. As for the other part, Tom made that entire thing up, you talk to him about it and not me.


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| May 7, 2011, 12:35 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Matt Hacker
The protesters noted that the WR largely suppresses civil and political freedoms- such as openly attacking Muslims.

As I have clearly stated on multiple occasions, the day you tell me that the Muslims in my land cannot be turned at the flip of a switch against me by any vengeful person who spins a convincing story is the day that I stop it and take it all back. As for the other part, Tom made that entire thing up, you talk to him about it and not me.


But do you have the strength to deny your oppression of g@ys? You've said yourself how you force them to get "counseled" and such. Sounds to me like you're trying to eliminate homosexuality, which is of course a clear breach of civil rights the likes of which won't stand with Norse citizens.

Also, the main issue here isn't even those things, it's the modern Scandinavian attitude towards religion. Let's just say most Scandinavians would certainly think your church and your state aren't quite separated enough. Technically solidly separated, maybe, but still not enough.
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| May 7, 2011, 12:52 am
Okay, Ultra. We'll play your game. Not because I want to, but because I can't do anything about it.

At approximately 11:45 PM, Governor Shelton released a statement.

"My people, sons and daughters of the Union, you have been wronged. Our government is no longer capable of providing the basic necessities to our people, for our basic right to gain access to our own ships has been denied from us by the lowest of the low of rulers. It is wrong, I know, but due to our current position as 'evil' and 'not fit to walk the Earth', we are simply told to build your apartments with sand and glue. However, my people, this much I vow. Your calls for help will not go unanswered. Even now, as a mother and her child live on the streets, and a family is living in their bullet-ridden SUV in California, your calls are being taken. Our Axis will never cease to help you. Any civilian that wishes to leave this Union, have the choice to do so. There are many nations to which you can throw your allegiance, but remember this. You lived in the Union. You survived its thrashing by the dark days of Civil War. And now, as you ponder this choice, remember that even in our debilitated state, we are victorious. The Western Republic wished to end my life, and through me, yours. But still, I stand before you today. They wished to bring our military to a flat-line, but today it performed patrols. We have won not because we exceeded our objectives, but because we succeeded in surviving an onslaught. The Union is a monument to the failures of the WR. Never forget that."
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| May 7, 2011, 12:53 am
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Wait, I thought you had a super-awesome economy that could never feel the effects of this war? I thought you had plans for all this? I thought just last week your citizens were enjoying life like they never did before? Income was up, life was good? That you didn't deserve a 2 month imposition because your nation hardly suffered while mine did by factors of ten larger? No? Coulda fooled me. When did that change?

Just sell those people into immoral slavery like every other non-taxpayer, that should take care of them.


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| May 7, 2011, 1:11 am
Official organization of the Islamic Defense Union is not yet complete, but coming along well. However, it is established, with meetings being held daily at the new headquarters in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, who has recently joined (seriously admins, Saudi Arabian needs to be non-player until Cole gets back, it's kinda ridiculous. If not, then I suppose we won't have a headquarters until he gets back). Tunisia has also recently decided to join after they completed recent elections. These late additions will surely slow down the organization process even further, but it's definitely worth it.

Immediately the first order of business is identifying where oppression of Muslims is taking place. The Western Republic is obviously known for such, but nations such as the United Kingdom, France, Cuba, and Brazil must be investigated first. Investigation committees and teams are being organized for such. This will take a few days, then a few more days to take action.

As we have clearly identified the WR as an oppressor, the Pharaoh pointed out that the recent war between them and our ally and friend the Pacific Union demonstrates not only his personal plea to send them assistance, but the notion that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." The other nations agree, but a few are still wary of any westerners, particularly Afghanistan and Pakistan. Legislation passed to send aid in the form of shipments of metal ores and concrete to the Pacific Union to help them rebuild after they were maliciously attacked by the oppressors. Afghanistan abstained.

Talks with the UAE about joining have proceeded in a very sketchy manner. Being very attached to the west, with confirmed reports of corruption, some nations are very much against partnering with them. Other nations, however, point out the economic advantage. It is unseen where this will go.


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| May 7, 2011, 1:12 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Wait, I thought you had a super-awesome economy that could never feel the effects of this war? I thought you had plans for all this? I thought just last week your citizens were enjoying life like they never did before? Income was up, life was good? That you didn't deserve a 2 month imposition because your nation hardly suffered while mine did by factors of ten larger? No? Coulda fooled me. When did that change?

Just sell those people into immoral slavery like every other non-taxpayer, that should take care of them.


None of the mentioned things were ever uttered by the Union. Both of our economies should be in this slump.

Also, your accusation that slavery is legal in the Union has been noted under 'Reasons the WR Doesn't Know the Union'
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| May 7, 2011, 1:19 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, your accusation that slavery is legal in the Union has been noted under 'Reasons the WR Doesn't Know the Union'


Yeah, slavery was banned in 2023 after John Hood went beyond the Grave to lands unknown, departing the Union forever. No more slavery, only indentured servitude.
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| May 7, 2011, 1:24 am
The PCU has lodged a simple request with the oppressive Western Republic, asking that they not disturb the ships buried in the Pacific, for it would desecrate the graves of the soldiers.
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| May 7, 2011, 1:42 am
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Today, 1.5...

The ambassador team in Israel paid a visit to the former US Embassy in Amman, Jordan. Concerns had arisen about their joining and creation of an Islamic super-state in the region. Being a constitutional monarchy, they are opposed to theocratic rule as historically they are quite against extremists taking over. They were approached, yes, but they have problems with suicide bombings running rampant in their lands since they voiced their concerns. As of now, about 10% of their military has been put under civilian law enforcement to combine efforts and put down the rebellions. Turns out you can't even get Muslims to like each other, they are always killing each other anyway on a daily basis.

We don't know what the outcome will be of this meeting, but we have a good feeling they won't go radical anytime soon.

Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU has lodged a simple request with the oppressive Western Republic, asking that they not disturb the ships buried in the Pacific, for it would desecrate the graves of the soldiers.

Yeah, this coming from the one that crucified my POWs. Pardon me whilst I turn a deaf ear.
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| May 7, 2011, 1:47 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, this coming from the one that crucified my POWs. Pardon me whilst I turn a deaf ear.

Thank you for answering me. I'll go tell the families that it's my fault that their sons and daughters will be disturbed.

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| May 7, 2011, 1:53 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
In other news, I make another bigoted statement.


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| May 7, 2011, 2:00 am
Meanwhile, in Alenia: stocking up on flak shells in readiness for possible seperatist unrest.

Also, because I completely forgot about a few things: our Chinese embassy has been operational for a while now.

The airports are open again, although our security regulations that make the TSA look like a passport scanner are still in force.
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| May 7, 2011, 2:47 am
Today in the RAS...

- Steps are being taken to still improve our economy
- Alternative energy sources are being pursued, including angola first nuclear power plant in a classified, This is angola's first and will open tomorrow. We are also taking advantage of the sweltering african sun by powering parts of factories will solar farms.
- Angola has been urging Zambia to join it. We will help thier economy and increase thier military capacity. We expect they will join us after a few weeks of diplomacy.
- When and if zambia joins us, we will consider calling ourselves the Central african republic.
- The RAS has continued to build the "southern wall" We are preparing to continue into zambia.

@ Henry, I'm building this southern wall as a buffer, I will never go south of it and escape my protection, and you will not attack it. so please do not worry about me.
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| May 7, 2011, 8:20 am
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

I had it in mind not to even dignify this statement with a response, but I'll just ask one question: "Since when is the truth bigoted?"

Google mosques being blown up. You won't find US/coalition bombs or tanks to blame for it, will you? I still can't figure out why they go around suicide bombing their own holy places?

As for the Muslim round-ups in my own territory; I'd rather not do it. As I've stated multiple times, it will just take an admin's assurance that they cannot be used as a weapon against me for me to stop. Everyone's like "Oh, he's SO oppressive of minorities!" Not really. The G thing? Tom N made that one up to make my treatment of my own infected citizens look bad, I still don't know why. I just said they can't practice openly in the military. Big whoop, it's been that way for decades. Am I rounding them up? Nope.
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| May 7, 2011, 10:53 am
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Due to present confusion within the Federal Assembly, the Union State would like to re-announce, or announce if we failed to do so in the past, that all nuclear fuel components and facilities have been eliminated in Iran. Hints at nuclear-capable weapons were of course found, but their program was lagging behind severely granted Western opposition barred most of the brighter minds from creating efficient research areas. With that in mind, all Russian boots are withdrawing from the area granted our mission is complete and the toss-up of our associate's regime is unsettling.

Also, the Union State looks down upon the new Islamic coalition/union. With so many Muslim states combining, the balance of power has shifted to an extent where Israel is in danger of possible extinction. The Union State has forwarded emissaries to extend a hand to the Israelis in times of war and self-defense. Arms sells are a possibility, but the main focus is organizing emergency lifts of materials into the country if the nation ever becomes cut-off from the outside world.

Also, there has been more unrest in the Caucasus region. Reports have it that Azerbaijan has concluded an arms import from Turkey; therefore, there is great turmoil as the pseudo-state of Nagorno-Karabakh is witnessing masses of civilians pushing for international recognition of its independence. Of course Armenia is backing said masses, and Azerbaijan is likely attempting to subdue the outcries. The Union State suspects that another war resembling the Nargorno-Karabakh War will occur within a few weeks' time. This would greatly upset regional interests and we would probably see a slight influx of unwanted refugees entering our state. Officials have been sent to Azerbaijan to work out a security detail to help pacify the ethnic Armenians in the autonomous oblast.

Southern Ukraine is still degrading rapidly. Weeks of lawlessness and civil war have taken a heavy toll on both coalition security forces and the Ukrainian bystanders. Private humanitarian aid organizations have pressed into the hostile Southern Belt and many individuals have been captured and held at ransom against Moscow. Our defense department and executive officials are in a toss-up as to how to go about solving this issue. It must be said that the Union State does not bargain with such lesser militants, but we must also protect our home-bred civilians. Possible recovery in the shape of SOFs may occur, but we have no present idea as to when.

Aside from the civilians being captured, privateers and Union State troops alike have been working in co-ordination to down respected officials and militants in the hostile ranks. The idea is to kill the people's morale while armour and air strikes kill weaponized vehicles, troop assemblies, and large caches as to eliminate their ability to rapidly fight. The main fear is that concentrated air strikes may create the perfect environment for an insurgency that will ultimately bleed out our boots. We have also seen that our Ukranian counterparts are having issues with organizing their own defense due to the fact they still have an ineffective and novel government to report to in Kiev, disallowing them to create a strong strategy. To solve this, we plan to tack-on these Ukrainian troops with the marines that have presently landed in-theatre and they shall all report to Moscow. More news on this later.

Finally, all of the boys and materials readied for the mass exercises tomorrow have been prepared. We're greatly pleased with the turnouts and we are anxiously awaiting the combat simulations. Reports will be given every two days on the "match-ups" and results.
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| May 7, 2011, 11:52 am
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Quoting Thomas N
And me making up the H0m0s3xual oppression thing? Please. Ultra said himself he was sending them to "counseling", what would that do? Besides forcing them to do something that they don't want to do, it would only serve to make them feel more unwanted by society.

Yeah, if you'd bothered to read what I said without looking through your tainted perspective of me, you would have seen that I said "Those affected by the H69 hormone" who were having heavy psychological attacks because their bodies and minds were suddenly fighting against each other. I think that would rank right up there with the top 10 most traumatizing things that could happen to a person, hey, some women break apart psychologically during menopause. YOU were the one that made up the whole escapade about "One of them was really that way and was forced to undergo treatment." In a way that I truly considered a blatant abuse of Combat Modding powers because it was a civil matter. Thank you very much, sir, for painting me in a purposefully bad light to suit your own ends. Seems you used that excuse to spawn violent riots in my streets, don't you remember that one?

Fine whatever, be that way. I'm sure you'll find that those 'Christians' are actually Catholics. They were the only ones doing the crusades anyway.

And like I said, and continue to say, and will always say: just have one admin assure me (and by it, everyone) that individual populations are immune to outside influence (i.e. Jihad, etc) and I will take it all back. Seems that I recall you saying, when I tried to get the OK national guard units in the PCU to rebel, that I needed to "Get another CM for that?" Just extend that to Muslims & all other aspects of the population, and I'll take it all back 100%. Blackmail? Well, probably.

As for rewriting Cliffe's stories? What stories, Jordan didn't join his 'super state' there must have been some reason.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Also, the Union State looks down upon the new Islamic coalition/union. With so many Muslim states combining, the balance of power has shifted to an extent where Israel is in danger of possible extinction. The Union State has forwarded emissaries to extend a hand to the Israelis in times of war and self-defense. Arms sells are a possibility, but the main focus is organizing emergency lifts of materials into the country if the nation ever becomes cut-off from the outside world.

The Western Republic shares this concern, and invites the Russian diplomats to the same discussions we are currently having with the Israelis about the future of the area.
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| May 7, 2011, 12:52 pm
Today's news from the Islamic Defense Union:

The attacks in Europe have brought to our attention the desperate need to fight extremism. However, not only Christian extremism, but of all religions, including our own, most importantly.

Reports of possible new terror cells springing up in Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudia Arabia, Iraq, and some others have brought forth new legislation to send armed forces to these areas to find and destroy organizing terrorists. As Egypt is not allowed by the admins to do almost anything for a while, Libya and Pakistan will be taking charge of this mission. Special forces units as well as specially organized counter-strike units are now being sent off to track these roots of terror.

Afghanistan is tasked with the problems in Europe. The IDU asks the Baltic Union as well as France and Britain if we may send our Afghan investigators and armed operators to their nations to begin tracking possible violent extremist groups. We already have several leads from sources within and are ready to begin with your permission.

Curiously, we received reports from anonymous inside sources that a group of Buddhist extremists in Tibet are planning to rise up in China in very desperate and quite ridiculous hopes to recreate the Tibetan Empire of old that once dominated much of China (true story!). A small team from Qatar is prepared to take this mission with permission from the Imperial Kaoxiang government.

More legislation had been put forth to solidly establish the separation of church and state within member nations (not within the Union, that wouldn't make sense). This has create some backlash from our eastern partners as well as from a few small communities in Chad, but convincing them of the benefits and morals of the deal are progressing relaitvely well. Slowly, but well. More western-oriented nations such as our friend Libya are quite pleased with this legislation.

Our member states Oman and Yemen, both constitutional monarchies, encourage their brother Jordan to come join our prosperous union. The benefits far outweigh the prospect of remaining alone. Caution is suggested, though, as the region is unstable with Western troops invading Lebanon and whatnot.

Speaking of which, the Union finds Lebanon indubitably to be a state incapable of controlling its own people and condemns it, thus praising the Byzantine invasion. We offer any resources that may contribute to the cause.

The Union has passed legislation today to offer to sign a peace pact with the state of Israel. No member state wishes a conflict with the technologically advanced state, who has warred with Egypt many times in the past with disastrous results. Furthermore, we wish to establish a very friendly relationship with their state and people, to the point where we may share technology and resources. Thus, a trade agreement is also being offered. We wish for Muslims and Jews to be able to live together in harmony once and for all, ending decades of conflict between the religious/ethnic groups. As for the issue of Palestine, possible solutions are being drawn up currently. Work on that is projecting to continue for quite some time. If/when Israel agrees to cooperate with us, we will request their help in drawing up the solution.

And that's what's happening in the IDU today.
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| May 7, 2011, 1:40 pm
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China lol's at the madness going on. All our Muslims have stopped getting uppity. If they do it again, there'll be heII to pay, and they know that.

Meanwhile:
-The factories have gone silent for a bit.
-The economy slowly returns to normal. Slowly.
-The ships have been dispatched to raise and/or salvage the HGS John Hood.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.


Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Curiously, we received reports from anonymous inside sources that a group of Buddhist extremists in Tibet are planning to rise up in China in very desperate and quite ridiculous hopes to recreate the Tibetan Empire of old that once dominated much of China (true story!). A small team from Qatar is prepared to take this mission with permission from the Imperial Kaoxiang government.


A disturbing report. I thought they would have learned to not mess with us when we invaded them in the 50s, and again in the (20)30s. Our resources are at your disposal, I'll focus on keeping them away from a variety of construction projects in there.
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| May 7, 2011, 1:49 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
We wish for Muslims and Jews to be able to live together in harmony once and for all, ending decades of conflict between the religious/ethnic groups. As for the issue of Palestine, possible solutions are being drawn up currently. Work on that is projecting to continue for quite some time. If/when Israel agrees to cooperate with us, we will request their help in drawing up the solution.

Since I control Israel (all but having it colored tan on the map for strange reasons) then I can assure you there will be no such peace agreement. That is not to say that I will start anything. I despise peace agreements and prefer word-of-mouth honor. As is my policy with most land wars: if you don't start it, I won't.

I will also say that I did not start the Indo-Korean war, that was someone else. Talk to them about that, not me. And Japan takes full credit for starting the war with Korea, that wasn't me either. I won't debate anything more about 'other' wars (i.e. the elephant in the room) due to admin prohibition.
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| May 7, 2011, 1:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
We wish for Muslims and Jews to be able to live together in harmony once and for all, ending decades of conflict between the religious/ethnic groups. As for the issue of Palestine, possible solutions are being drawn up currently. Work on that is projecting to continue for quite some time. If/when Israel agrees to cooperate with us, we will request their help in drawing up the solution.

Since I control Israel (all but having it colored tan on the map for strange reasons) then I can assure you there will be no such peace agreement. That is not to say that I will start anything. I despise peace agreements and prefer word-of-mouth honor. As is my policy with most land wars: if you don't start it, I won't.

I will also say that I did not start the Indo-Korean war, that was someone else. Talk to them about that, not me. And Japan takes full credit for starting the war with Korea, that wasn't me either. I won't debate anything more about 'other' wars (i.e. the elephant in the room) due to admin prohibition.

Very well, but will you help us draw up a solution for Arab Muslims living in Israel? It needs to be done to ensure peace.

And how the heII did you acquire Israel in the first place?
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| May 7, 2011, 1:56 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
China lol's at the madness going on. All our Muslims have stopped getting uppity. If they do it again, there'll be heII to pay, and they know that.

Meanwhile:
-The factories have gone silent for a bit.
-The economy slowly returns to normal. Slowly.
-The ships have been dispatched to raise and/or salvage the HGS John Hood.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.


Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Curiously, we received reports from anonymous inside sources that a group of Buddhist extremists in Tibet are planning to rise up in China in very desperate and quite ridiculous hopes to recreate the Tibetan Empire of old that once dominated much of China (true story!). A small team from Qatar is prepared to take this mission with permission from the Imperial Kaoxiang government.


A disturbing report. I thought they would have learned to not mess with us when we invaded them in the 50s, and again in the (20)30s. Our resources are at your disposal, I'll focus on keeping them away from a variety of construction projects in there.

Very good, the Qatari team is on its way. We request that Chinese Army units be on standby in case anything major happens.
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| May 7, 2011, 2:00 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Very good, the Qatari team is on its way. We request that Chinese Army units be on standby in case anything major happens.


You'll have all that and more, up to the Arketers standing by. I don't take kindly to rebellions. The Mandate of Heaven is ours, and it won't be moving on anytime soon.
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| May 7, 2011, 2:04 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Very well, but will you help us draw up a solution for Arab Muslims living in Israel? It needs to be done to ensure peace.

I'll probably catch it for this too, but I fail to see why there should be such an agreement. So no.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
And how the heII did you acquire Israel in the first place?

Just kinda happened. Probably the same way that Nick got Senegal (sp?).
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| May 7, 2011, 2:07 pm
In the CDC, several joint-stock companies have been sold government land at a very low price to use in the construction of coal "coking" facilities, and steel mills. We hope that with the surplus of newly unemployed veterans from the Great American War, the now-available coal supply in the CDC, and imported iron ore, we can help grow our still infant steel industry, and in turn our economy. The companies were sold the land tax-free, and will also receive tax benefits depending on their steel output, as an incentive to increase productivity.
In other news, the RAID commandos dropped into Suriname and Guyana have been extracted back to debriefing sites in the CDC, and valuable intelligence is being gathered about our new enemy. Fortunately, contact was avoided throughout the operation, and no casualties were sustained. They were also able to give valuable input on the development of the Modular Combat Uniform, which they tested in the field.
Voting on the referendum has finished, and votes are being counted very carefully to determine if we will change from the Constitutional Democracy of Cuba, to the Caribbean Union.
Also, the military is currently undergoing a complete reorganization, which will organize units into Brigade Combat Teams, instead of larger divisions. Especially in the Marine Corps, we hope this new system will help improve expeditionary capabilities (and also maximize the efficiency of our LAV-45 through improved strategies).
As the military begins to dispose of its older, Soviet equipment, development has begun on several new projects to replace them. These include:
-the M192 Multipurpose Tracked Vehicle (and variants)
-the TS-178 Multiple Launch Rocket System (based on the M192 Chassis)
-the M3 105mm Howitzer
-the M85 155mm Howitzer (and a self-propelled variant based on the M192 Chassis)
-the M23 General Purpose Guided Missile Launcher
-the SAM-175 Self Propelled SAM (based on the M192 Chassis)
Also, Congress has approved requests by the Navy to begin research and development into several new vessels. These include:
-the Juanito Class Frigate (named after the heroic Admiral Juanito Rogriquez who was killed in action by a malfunctioning coffee machine onboard his flagship during Operation: Cobra, in the Yucatan landings)
-the Havana Class Guided Missile Cruiser
-the Manta Class Battle Cruiser
-the Windward Class Amphibious Warfare Ship
NOTE: Not all equipment being developed will reach production lines.

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| May 7, 2011, 2:10 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Lolwut.

Also, Ultra's been integrating them as an ally for some time, but we have a deal going on keeping them de jure independent.

More or less, yep. Starting way back when. In fact, I think I said they were having a war with Egypt. Maybe not, but that was before Cliffe came along.

I can haz their technoillegy!!!
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| May 7, 2011, 4:03 pm
Today, as the PCU Destroyers left the areas around Midway, giant explosions of water went up. As they left, they dropped heavy depth charges onto the wrecks of their ships, destroying them completely.

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In political news, the drug war in Senegal has ended, as the drug runners have been eliminated (brought under my contorl).
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| May 7, 2011, 4:06 pm
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^Funny story. Love it. Too bad it was in my territory and all. Kinda gives me the upper hand when saying what did and didn't happen there and all... It didn't happen and all since it was my territory and I can say what happened.

Actually, depth charges wouldn't have done much damage. With the very high suppressive forces of the water pressure, all a depth charge could do would be to put a 5 ft hole in the side of a sub. They rely on cracking the hull of a ship. An explosive charge of 100kg only has a potential kill radius of 12-15 feet, not much when weighed in the balances.

That and the fact that I'd like to see what 90 year old ship you dragged up that had the capabilities to launch depth charges since they haven't been standard manifest since, I don't know, 1965!

Or, in simpler terms, cool story, bro.
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| May 7, 2011, 4:30 pm
Yea, but it'd seriously mess up the metals.

And I knew this would happen, Ultra would say that it wouldn't happen. Just a test, really, to see if Ultra would be like that.

Have the ships, sir.


But let me ask one thing. How can you afford to raise a ship, let alone five? If you can, then by all means this group is doomed.
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| May 7, 2011, 5:10 pm
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Yeah, I'm sure it was just a test. Every time you come out with something & get cut off, it turns out you wanted it that way.

I shall, thank you.

Well, let's see. Costs about 6 million Euros/piece... Having the military wreckers do it on their salaries would be less... Add five & carry two... Then times three divided by four... Huh, what do you know about that? Comes out to just under half of $1.5 billion (after deductions)!
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| May 7, 2011, 5:19 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, I'm sure it was just a test. Every time you come out with something & get cut off, it turns out you wanted it that way.

I shall, thank you.

Well, let's see. Costs about 6 million Euros/piece... Having the military wreckers do it on their salaries would be less... Add five & carry two... Then times three divided by four... Huh, what do you know about that? Comes out to just under half of $1.5 billion (after deductions)!

Hey, I think the PCU has that much money! Because your economies should be fairly much equal after this war.
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| May 7, 2011, 5:43 pm
This group has come to the point where things have been over-looked. How can Ultra afford to raise five or more ships, when the PCU can't "afford" to buy metal from sympathetic sellers?
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| May 7, 2011, 5:56 pm
Of course! The WR can afford to raise five or more ships with their economy, but the PCU can't afford to buy metal! And what's this? Our economies are the same? Why my goodness!
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| May 7, 2011, 5:58 pm
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Can we please stop all this bickering now? It is getting old. I promise I'll stop after this.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Of course! The WR can afford to raise five or more ships with their economy, but the PCU can't afford to buy metal! And what's this? Our economies are the same? Why my goodness!

I must be missing something because I never saw anyone say anything about you not being able to afford to buy metal, you just don't have it. If you're talking about me asking you how you'll do all of that stuff without copper, tin, & other stuff it's just because you don't have the MINES to produce it anymore, not that you can't afford to buy it from someone else (other than China).

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Hey, I think the PCU has that much money! Because your economies should be fairly much equal after this war.

Yeah...That's actually how much the PCU paid me and England through me for reparations, you must not have been paying attention to that part.
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| May 7, 2011, 6:07 pm
Hey guys...

Canada hasn't been destroyed yet right?
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| May 7, 2011, 8:42 pm
Quoting Jake H.
Hey guys...

Canada hasn't been destroyed yet right?

He lives!

Surprisingly, during the whole War no one even touched your border. Oh yeah, I've got a few things to show you on Flickr too.
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| May 7, 2011, 9:05 pm
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Announcement from the Forbidden City: The exiled Indo-Union leadership has returned from Uzbekistan today. Due to classified events, Indonesia is being placed under their control. The nation is formally released as a tributary state. However, China puts out the friendly reminder that all of Asia will kneel to them if they but kneel to us. In other words, Danny's back.

I HOPE HE'S SATISFIED.
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| May 7, 2011, 10:00 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Bleh, I'm tempted to protest this, as we stated, we don't like the precedent this is setting. However, Awe, since you control Indonesia de facto, I guess it's OK, at least with me, since you're willingly giving his land back.

Oy vey.


Well, I don't either, but it is my land, so I'll do as I wish with it. After this move, I don't think he'll be doing any more.

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| May 7, 2011, 10:14 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Well, I don't either, but it is my land, so I'll do as I wish with it. After this move, I don't think he'll be doing any more.

No more moving around, but I still intent to reunite the rest of Indonesia.
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| May 7, 2011, 11:03 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
No more moving around, but I still intent to reunite the rest of Indonesia.

Alliance, ol' buddy?

In Australia (and NZ)---
Work has begun on a military satellite. That's it.
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| May 8, 2011, 9:23 am
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Today, in the Western Republic...

The High Command has sold the hulks of 10 CG cutter wrecks to a Guatemalan shipping company recently established under that country's economic initiatives for $1.9 million. SeaKing, the defense contractor also responsible for building our ships, also bought the hulks of the 8 assorted submarines for a total of $10 million. It looked like racing day out at Midway with all of the different ships haggling for maneuvering room out there. Military wrecker ships were attempting to raise their brethren, and smaller civilian ships were rushing around trying to get a good position to begin their work. Finally, the admiral got things under control by coming up with a plan to work the companies and military in shifts and the process went on smoothly for the rest of the day.

One of the Areleigh-Burkes sunk atop a PCU submarine and broke in half with the strain, it was searched for survivors, pronounced un-salvageable, and sold it on the spot to SeaKing for another $1 million. The other ships were inspected by divers, and salvaging should be possible.

An estimated 2,400 tons worth of trashed hardware has been collected from Baja to Canada in terms of wrecked planes, helicopters, and vehicles. This includes about 100 tons of our own un-salvageable hardware. It's in the process of being sent to the smelting pots and refineries around the country to add to the job market.

Israel, still rather hesitant about the developments around it, purchased 20 F-89s today. Our pilots will fly them out and train the Israelis on them.

Materials testing on the M100 armor composition concluded today, and the mixtures were narrowed down to a few that will undergo testing on the firing range today. A disabled M89 will be covered with the armor and M90 MkIIs and C5As will blast away at all of them. After that, we should have everything we need. A firing control system and weapon stabilization system was chosen, a modified M90 MkII's systems will be mounted. Research on the classified project continues, but I assure everyone that it doesn't break the prohibition.

The coal and oil convoys to Chile embarked today. Also, the delivery to the African nations of M45s is underway.

Campaigns kicked off for President, Senate, and Congress today. Campaign contributions are being heavily inspected to ensure that foreign funds are not being used to prop up certain candidates. Elections will be in 3 weeks.
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| May 9, 2011, 1:14 pm
Today in Brazil...

The soldiers from the Pacific were greeted by cheering crowds and many of the Airman that served there were awarded the Airman's Medal for their actions over Hawaii.

Speaking of Hawaii, a small salvage operation has been taking place over the last few hours. Many civilian ships of all shapes and sizes along with Navy ones were searching around the coast of Hawaii and found what they were looking for- a small cluster of sunken LPDs from an earlier attempt to invade the island. Out of the four, only two were deemed salvageable, and the ships went to work. The total price of the ships sold to the Civilian scrapping companies is around $850 thousand.

Development of the FEAR Camo and MOLLE type system is still undergoing, with a few samples of the JT (Jungle Type) Boonies coming out for the Amazon Pararescuers. Feedback will follow soon.

Finally, in the news today was something rather strange. Four men in a truck were ordered to stop by the Border Patrol on the Brazil-Argentina border, when these men didn't stop the Patrolmen opened fire- killing the driver and injuring a passenger. A heated gunfight followed and the other two men escaped into the bush. After a search was conducted the Border Patrol found... Interesting cargo, to say the least.
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| May 9, 2011, 3:54 pm
I was under the impression that only civilian ships were allowed on our wrecks, Ultra. Can I get some help here, Matt?

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In PCU Political News, the Governor has received many complaints about a ruler from a far-off land. Actions are being planned in a "peaceful" way.

In military news, OAAE has been tasked with overhauling the Union's Military. It has come to our attention that in the Western Republic's never-ending wisdom, they may decide to conquer us for no reason, again, and the Union Army wants the equipment to do it.

In Public News, several processing factories sent their first shipments of refined steel to construction sites throughout the Union, with much celebration from the construction workers. In return, Governor Shelton has issued three Governor's Crosses to be moved to Egypt, to be awarded to the men who arranged this deal.

In Foreign News, Senegal's recent annexations have caused PCU citizens abroad some worry. IFV-1s were sent three weeks ago, and the Senegalese Army is making fine use with them combating rebellious folks.


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| May 9, 2011, 5:32 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I was under the impression that only civilian ships were allowed on our wrecks, Ultra. Can I get some help here, Matt?

Since you're not allowed within 200 miles of Midway ('cause they're my territorial waters), I don't see why that should be a problem now. The whole reason that was the case is because you were going all Rambow on me in my own territory.

Military crosses of comendation are hardly fit for mere miners. And why are you even bothering with steel for another month? It's not like you can do anything with it. Not to mention the small details like how long it would take for the 'Gyptos to mine and refine tons of steel (at least enough to make it worth the trip), the transport time of two weeks from the Nile area, little things like that. I don't know why you're insisting on having it now, in a clearly unreasonable time period.

Quoting Nick Shelton
In military news...and the Union Army wants the equipment to do it.

I figured you'd try to take that land back. Well, just like the first time, I'm waiting until you fire first.
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| May 9, 2011, 6:01 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
1) This is not Halo. No ODST's. The technology of 2037 will be no where near close enough to do that without killing someone.

Sure we do! I've been looking at using a Soyuz entry capsule for special forces insertion; wouldn't be a particularly good idea, but it'd work.

Quoting Evan Melick
4) Anybody planning on building anything coming close to a spaceplane (IE, SR-71 Blackbird), better have a fantastic MOC on their hands. >.>

The SR-71 was just a spy plane. No exo-atmospheric capability involved.
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| May 9, 2011, 6:26 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Well, no it can't leave the atmosphere, but I was using it as the concept basically, perhaps skewed my words a bit. I.E, if anybody is planning on building something that could get to the outer reaches of the atmosphere, it's got to be a high quality MOC, and be for recon mostly.

Which is why we invented $10 million satellites instead of billion dollar spyplanes.
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| May 9, 2011, 7:11 pm
Egypt and its three most esteemed workers are extremely honored to receive the awards from the Pacific Union. One day we may bestow awards upon you in return.
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| May 9, 2011, 7:58 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Egypt and its three most esteemed workers are extremely honored to receive the awards from the Pacific Union. One day we may bestow awards upon you in return.

The PCU thanks the Egyptians for accepting their gifts.

...

In an end of the day update, six factories have sprung up in far-away lands. But not to worry, we earned the land. They will be used to produce the Infantry Support Vehicle and the MVT-1 when they come into play.
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| May 9, 2011, 10:17 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU thanks the Egyptians for accepting their gifts.

...

In an end of the day update, six factories have sprung up in far-away lands. But not to worry, we earned the land. They will be used to produce the Infantry Support Vehicle and the MVT-1 when they come into play.

In the land of noodles or the land of Elephants and desert?
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| May 9, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
In the land of noodles or the land of Elephants and desert?


No, in the land of slums and chopped rainforest.
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| May 9, 2011, 11:09 pm
Quoting Matt P
Alliance, ol' buddy?

In Australia (and NZ)---
Work has begun on a military satellite. That's it.

I heard you were against Awe, if this is true, no thanks. I can't be yours and Awe's ally at the same time.
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| May 9, 2011, 11:22 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
In the land of noodles or the land of Elephants and desert?

Elephants have been extinct for ten years.
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| May 9, 2011, 11:23 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

No, in the land of slums and chopped rainforest.

Actually I've had laws limiting the amount of Rainforest chopped down each month and where so that doesn't happen. And those slums are shrinking to a much smaller size.
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| May 10, 2011, 7:23 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
I heard you were against Awe, if this is true, no thanks. I can't be yours and Awe's ally at the same time.

Not really true, Ultra just wanted me to pitch in a few warships for the effort in Mexico area. There were no conflicts between us, and I didn't even contribute to either side in the war because of its quick end. There were no aggressions between me and Awe, and we have been allies before. Being allies with both of you would be best of all. I would like to form back better relations with Awe and you, since I have been allies with you and Awe in the past, directly or indirectly.
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| May 10, 2011, 5:03 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I heard you were against Awe, if this is true, no thanks. I can't be yours and Awe's ally at the same time.

Says the man apparently forgetting that Awe's bombers were used against him.

Actually, he was my ally. Never saw action (even though he was supposed to, that fact was rather stunningly overlooked out of convenience by a certain CM looking for ways to make it easier for his favorite side to win) in the war, however; and certainly not against Awe, even though there were certain plans in the works that we can't discuss here.
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| May 10, 2011, 5:06 pm
When Nick says anything remotely related to bias, he gets an FM telling him to BBQ (it's been resolved though, so no hard feelings), but when Ultra accuses somebody of bias, something he's done many times, more than me in fact, it's perfectly fine. Very well-ah!

In Military News, the PCU has accepted a shipment of three MVT-1s fully equipped for combat.
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| May 10, 2011, 5:30 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
In Military News, the PCU has accepted a shipment of three MVT-1s fully equipped for combat.

YOU. CANNOT. DO. THAT. MILITARY. EXHAUSTION. CLIFFE. CANNOT. DO. THAT. EITHER. OR. AWE. OR. JOHN. OR. ME. OR. ULTRA. OR AVALELLA. OR. JACK. OR. WILL. OR. ANYONE. ELSE. ENVOLVED. IN. THIS. WAR. IS. THAT. CLEAR?

Sorry for caps, I had to get my point across.
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| May 10, 2011, 5:36 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
YOU. CANNOT. DO. THAT. MILITARY. EXHAUSTION. CLIFFE. CANNOT. DO. THAT. EITHER. OR. AWE. OR. JOHN. OR. ME. OR. ULTRA. OR AVALELLA. OR. JACK. OR. WILL. OR. ANYONE. ELSE. ENVOLVED. IN. THIS. WAR. IS. THAT. CLEAR?

Sorry for caps, I had to get my point across.

None of the above parties made them, so it doesn't apply. Problem, Brikkr?
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| May 10, 2011, 6:11 pm
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The UNC Navy is announcing today that the five Thessaloniki frigates have been completed, and are now going to undergo fleet integration exercises, as well as standard shakedown runs. The Finnish yards are announcing good progress on the Resolve Carriers headed to that mysterious buyer. They are around halfway finished now, and will be delivered in 2-3 weeks.
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| May 10, 2011, 6:56 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
When Nick says anything remotely related to bias, he gets an FM telling him to BBQ (it's been resolved though, so no hard feelings), but when Ultra accuses somebody of bias, something he's done many times, more than me in fact, it's perfectly fine. Very well-ah!

I'm not going to say anything other than everyone saw what Ham did was rather blatant. Adding insult to injury, he revealed two allied person's plans in the group for everyone to see that nearly got him kicked. Tom's time dilated shipments from Egypt to you was called into question by several admins, not that that was necessarily bias. You complain about 'bias' on Matt H's and Henry's parts, yet nothing they said was ever called into question by anyone. You openly threaten hostilities over something you have no part in, and you get tromped; somehow that's bias? I'm missing an entire fleet, and you're complaining about not getting your blown-up subs back. Somehow that just doesn't seem to equate. But that could just be me.
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| May 10, 2011, 7:06 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Says the man apparently forgetting that Awe's bombers were used against him.


Awe's bombers were commandeered without permission by the Pacific Union. It was not a sanctioned action.


Quoting Matt P
Not really true, Ultra just wanted me to pitch in a few warships for the effort in Mexico area. There were no conflicts between us, and I didn't even contribute to either side in the war because of its quick end. There were no aggressions between me and Awe, and we have been allies before. Being allies with both of you would be best of all. I would like to form back better relations with Awe and you, since I have been allies with you and Awe in the past, directly or indirectly.


We have? I don't recall as much... But had you joined the war, there could have been a problem. Be careful what side you take, it may have unintended consequences.

Quoting Ultramarine . This

Quoting Nick Shelton That


Enough! Your ship sails in the morning!
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| May 10, 2011, 7:09 pm
Thirteen regiments have petitioned for the PCU to go to war with the Western Republic. Their blatant disturbing of our deceased soldiers is a crime not only to us, but a crime on humanity. Disturbing a war grave is a mark of shame on whoever has done it, and I am frankly astonished that any brainwashed civilian or military-man (though military-men shouldn't even be working on ships by Brikkr's and Matt's order, but since when does Ultra follow rules) would want to work on those wrecks.

The Senate has taken their response, and has filtered it through many of their circles, and all circles vote "yay". However, due to the Admin Penalty, no harm will be dealt upon the Western Republic, at this time.
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| May 10, 2011, 7:20 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine
The Western Republic shares this concern, and invites the Russian diplomats to the same discussions we are currently having with the Israelis about the future of the area.

We graciously accept this invite. It will surely help win over favorable terms [not meaning we're looking for anything, but it helps break some of the internal political ties within the Israeli government]. We hope our emissaries can walk onto the plane returning hope within a week and a half from now with great news awaiting our officials in the Union State.

In other news, the international military drills that began Monday churned a bit down yesterday to make way for Victory Day. To further boost morale during the national ceremonies, we had select combat simulations recorded live and shown in Red Square in co-ordination with the marches. This should enable us to make sure our citizens are quite alright with the military budget increases expected to kick in next month.

On note of the international military drills, match-ups kicked off with a non-stop 36-hour combat simulation that began at roughly 2300 hours May 8th. The night was chosen as a means to test the ability for vehicles to maintain the first-kill capability while coordination in blacked-out conditions within the surrounding environment.

Baltic tanks managed to score the first kills of the season as Russian tanks moved around rather noisily. Having just kicked the T-72 family of AFVs from service less than a decade ago, our boys are still getting used to altering up their armour know-how to incorporate the AMBTs. Regardless, the kill ratio rested at 1.5:1 favoring the Baltics initially. We later regained some of our pride once intel flooded in revealing the positions of our adversaries in which case were engaged from afar by smoothbore-fired ATGMs. The final kill ratio remained at 1:1.

Scandilander and Chinese tanks were matched up at this time. Being fairly defensive in nature, the Nordic-designed Wolf managed to kill off HAT-1s from a ways back while hiding amongst the skirts of neighboring woods. The tall profiled, superheated engine, and bulky build of the HAT-1 made fore easy pickings in terms of firing first; however, the HAT-1 is also meant for taking many a hit before crumpling and giving in. In the end, our Scandinavian neighbors managed a 2:1 kill ratio with the main threat to them being infantry armed with ATGMs.

The Iberians and Brits were matched up that night. The large Spanish guns were able to gain a few meters distance on the Challys, but this was large negated due to the resent research by the Brits in terms of composite armor. Our instructors must note that the Chally has a hard time staying above the ground more than a few centimeters due to the extra kit tacked on by the crews; something IEDs and anti-tank mines love to chew on. Anyhow, the ratio was at 1:1 almost all the way through until the Brits called in CAP flights to level the ground a bit.

Lastly, Byzantine and Belorussian tankers were thrown into the fray. Aside from the aforementioned handling concerns, we managed to get the first shots of the skirmish off. Utilizing ATGMs fired from the cannon, we managed to overcome the nicely sloped armor of the Jackson. This was quickly put to an end once the Byzantine boys caught on to our tactics; they quickly zig'd and zag'd here in there requiring us to advance in the other direction. Unfortunately, the lopsided training [Belorussian crews are still ages behind] meant that our tanks were cornered and the Balkan-goers ended the skirmish with a 2:1 kill ratio. We've been shamed.

Also, I'd like to note that these are really quick and chopped compared to the write-ups I had before MP made me sign in. Please forgive my errors as I wrote these through a time of technological frustration. The one time I didn't copy what I wrote . . . /sigh
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| May 10, 2011, 7:42 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

When the PCU proclamation was read aloud before the High Command, there was a moment of silence before someone broke out laughing; probably an adjutant lieutenant. Smirks weren't far behind on the more senior officer's lips either. Still fresh in their minds were the images of their brave men nailed barbarically on signposts for them to even begin to take the 'nobility' of the PCU seriously. Still, it was reinforced to the wreckers and salvagers about Midway that they were to turn over bodies to the WR Navy for a seaman's burial as previously established.

The "Ready, ready, hoist!" was heard for the first Arleigh-burke to be resurfaced this afternoon. It was immediately transferred to the partially submerging ship that would bear it to Hawaii amid much celebration. 50 crewmembers' bodies were discovered, and they were all given a proper burial.

Israel took delivery of the 20 F-89s, and the test pilots started flying them the same day to familiarize themselves with it. Seeing the greatness of its design, the Israelis feel safer knowing that nothing within ~1,500 miles of their homeland can beat it.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
We graciously accept this invite. It will surely help win over favorable terms [not meaning we're looking for anything, but it helps break some of the internal political ties within the Israeli government]. We hope our emissaries can walk onto the plane returning hope within a week and a half from now with great news awaiting our officials in the Union State.

So, what's the plan as far as this goes? What were you thinking?
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| May 10, 2011, 7:43 pm
The touching of fallen PCU heroes by the wretched, grubby hands of the Western Republic will not be forgotten. 7-4-37. Remember Reno.

In response to the Western Republic's basing of fighters in forward bases in the Middle East, the Union Air Force is moving two squadrons of MAF-2 and one squadron of A-10s to our own base in Cairo.
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| May 10, 2011, 8:02 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Scandilander and Chinese tanks were matched up at this time. Being fairly defensive in nature, the Nordic-designed Wolf managed to kill off HAT-1s from a ways back while hiding amongst the skirts of neighboring woods. The tall profiled, superheated engine, and bulky build of the HAT-1 made fore easy pickings in terms of firing first; however, the HAT-1 is also meant for taking many a hit before crumpling and giving in. In the end, our Scandinavian neighbors managed a 2:1 kill ratio with the main threat to them being infantry armed with ATGMs.


Lessons learned. Would it be possible to get a report on the smaller but equally armed MT-4?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5521220968/in/photostream
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| May 10, 2011, 8:14 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So, what's the plan as far as this goes? What were you thinking?

Militarily, Israel is more than capable of defending itself granted their training courses and equipment are some of the best in the world. However, supplying said military is something Israel may very well have issues with in the future. With ME navies becoming a bit more sophisticated every year, Israel may see the day when it is running on fumes. So, I'd like to maintain a series of monthly airlift drills [going in and out of the country] and naval exercises conducted in coordination with the Israelis to make sure their rather small navy is capable of breaking blockades at any time. In the long run, I would like to think it beneficial for a coalition air and naval station be built or arranged so joint defense capabilities are logistically feasible and timely. The latter isn't a must have, but rather a want granted tensions may spark up between Evan and I again, meaning my ships will be sitting and waiting for the okay to pass from the Black Sea and into the Mediterranean.


Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Lessons learned. Would it be possible to get a report on the smaller but equally armed MT-4?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5521220968/in/photostream

I knew you had a smaller tank somewhere, but I was too lazy and was too busy QQ'ing over my lost comment to look for it.

Anyhow, Russian and MT-4s were flung into a shorter skirmish during the nighttime op. The low profile and large gun of the MT-4 made it more than capable of getting first-kill . . . kills. However, the lengthy gun was also a drawback in confined areas and maneuvers seeing as though it was constantly at risk of getting caught on something. The large, externally mounted RPGs/missiles also made fore pretty fireworks once impacted by any munition above 40mm. This latter fact really cut down on crew survivability and the lifespans of the boots around the vehicle. Also, all terrain capabilities were greatly hindered due to the steel/composite sideskirts nearly touching the ground. Large chunks of debris and filth really degraded the bogies and required maintenance upon return from the skirmish. Still, the veteran training of the tankers maintained a 1.5:1 kill ratio with favor lying with the Chinese.
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| May 10, 2011, 8:32 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Anyhow, Russian and MT-4s were flung into a shorter skirmish during the nighttime op. The low profile and large gun of the MT-4 made it more than capable of getting first-kill . . . kills. However, the lengthy gun was also a drawback in confined areas and maneuvers seeing as though it was constantly at risk of getting caught on something. The large, externally mounted RPGs/missiles also made fore pretty fireworks once impacted by any munition above 40mm. This latter fact really cut down on crew survivability and the lifespans of the boots around the vehicle. Also, all terrain capabilities were greatly hindered due to the steel/composite sideskirts nearly touching the ground. Large chunks of debris and filth really degraded the bogies and required maintenance upon return from the skirmish. Still, the veteran training of the tankers maintained a 1.5:1 kill ratio with favor lying with the Chinese.


Not to self: Remove side-skirts, add thicker missile armor and/or remove missile pods when not needed.
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| May 10, 2011, 8:39 pm
All PCU helicopters are going to be rotating into Pendleton over the next month or so to replace their rotors with Uleb Dege technology.
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| May 10, 2011, 8:48 pm
1:1? What tank does Henry have? I use the MT-4(Or whichever one looks like an abrams) It was to my knowledge he had no modern tanks.
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| May 10, 2011, 8:50 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
1:1? What tank does Henry have? I use the MT-4(Or whichever one looks like an abrams) It was to my knowledge he had no modern tanks.

From what I understand, he's significantly upgraded his Challys to an extent where one could call it the Challenger III. He firstly upgraded his armament to a 130mm calibre, if I'm not mistaken. He also researched more advanced armor composites to surpass the aging Chobham. And to say he has no near-future tank capabilities is rather silly granted he inherited both Britain's and S. Africa's tanks and tank research; both extremely capable forces.

But, that's all from what I think I remember. I'll let him defend himself, so you can disregard the above speculations.
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| May 10, 2011, 8:56 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
1:1? What tank does Henry have? I use the MT-4(Or whichever one looks like an abrams) It was to my knowledge he had no modern tanks.

I use upgraded Challies (140mm gun, better Chobham, better sights, and laser dazzler) Like Erik said before, those tanks have disadvantages and the biggest one I see is the weight of the shells. Man I would hate to be the poor guy who has to load them. Tank designing has been slowed due to my nearing SAT-2s and strings of meets, but by summer I plan to get a tank and IFV out there. Also CAS is the most important impliment on the modern battlefield. So that's probably why our ratios have evened out.
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| May 10, 2011, 8:56 pm
Alright. Good thing I have those orders incoming.

Speaking of which, there's a cargo ship docked in WR waiting to pick up it's package, Ultra.
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| May 10, 2011, 9:03 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Militarily, Israel is more than capable of defending itself granted their training courses and equipment are some of the best in the world. However, supplying said military is something Israel may very well have issues with in the future. With ME navies becoming a bit more sophisticated every year, Israel may see the day when it is running on fumes. So, I'd like to maintain a series of monthly airlift drills [going in and out of the country] and naval exercises conducted in coordination with the Israelis to make sure their rather small navy is capable of breaking blockades at any time. In the long run, I would like to think it beneficial for a coalition air and naval station be built or arranged so joint defense capabilities are logistically feasible and timely. The latter isn't a must have, but rather a want granted tensions mark spark up between Evan and I again, meaning my ships will be sitting and waiting for the okay to pass from the Black Sea and into the Mediterranean.

Indeed, and I concur, though I (meaning Israel) would not like war raging around it because proxy bases are in its territory. Lebanon under Evan would hardly be a threat to Israel, but an Islamic super-state would be, which is why I'm there.

Military exercises sound like a good idea, and I will contribute to it as well, considering I've already given them the SeaLion advancement to the Iron Fist system (I hope that doesn't sound too corny, but I figured a naval APS was a logical idea).

But without sounding like a miser, would you be planning on using hardware based in Israel for attacks should such 'hostilities' start up again? Because if you did, my concern is that Israel (meaning me) would have to choose a side if war broke out again or else have aircraft from two nations flying over their skies and just watching.

Quoting Nick Shelton
In response to the Western Republic's basing of fighters in forward bases in the Middle East, the Union Air Force is moving two squadrons of MAF-2 and one squadron of A-10s to our own base in Cairo.

Israel buying 20 aircraft translates into me 'basing' my aircraft in a 'forward position?' You are bound and determined to make your next holy war a world-encompassing one, aren't you? I'm just glad I'll have a 2 week production jump on you with your persistent threatenings.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Speaking of which, there's a cargo ship docked in WR waiting to pick up it's package, Ultra.

Ah, yes. They are yours!

...And the money keeps rolling in!
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| May 10, 2011, 9:08 pm
I'm afraid that certain terms were a little...holed. The PCU is not as bound as one might think it is.

Money isn't pouring in hear as much as steadily flowing. Slow and steady wins the race.
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| May 10, 2011, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
...And the money keeps rolling in!


You do know what happened a few years after they made that song, right?
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| May 10, 2011, 9:18 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Indeed, and I concur, though I (meaning Israel) would not like war raging around it because proxy bases are in its territory. Lebanon under Evan would hardly be a threat to Israel, but an Islamic super-state would be, which is why I'm there.

Military exercises sound like a good idea, and I will contribute to it as well, considering I've already given them the SeaLion advancement to the Iron Fist system (I hope that doesn't sound too corny, but I figured a naval APS was a logical idea).

But without sounding like a miser, would you be planning on using hardware based in Israel for attacks should such 'hostilities' start up again? Because if you did, my concern is that Israel (meaning me) would have to choose a side if war broke out again or else have aircraft from two nations flying over their skies and just watching.

I will/would not utilize any hardware stationed in Israel for my own interests. Any and all pieces of kit in the nation are meant for the defense of Israel and naught else; almost like a lend-lease program. My focus is to protect the state of Israel from being overwhelmed by an Islamic superstate or consumed from the inside-out by terrorist cells and the like. I'm not a religious individual, but I have much respect for the Israeli state granted its people have seen many a hardship and it'd be a waste to see it go.
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| May 10, 2011, 9:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


Quoting Matt P
Not really true, Ultra just wanted me to pitch in a few warships for the effort in Mexico area. There were no conflicts between us, and I didn't even contribute to either side in the war because of its quick end. There were no aggressions between me and Awe, and we have been allies before. Being allies with both of you would be best of all. I would like to form back better relations with Awe and you, since I have been allies with you and Awe in the past, directly or indirectly.


We have? I don't recall as much... But had you joined the war, there could have been a problem. Be careful what side you take, it may have unintended consequences.


Well, allies as in fighting on the same side in the First Pacific War, and having good relations. And yes, I do agree it was good I didn't get involved in the NA War. You know, that has happened to me a whole lot.
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| May 10, 2011, 9:41 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
You do know what happened a few years after they made that song, right?

Didn't know it was a song...

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I will/would not utilize any hardware stationed in Israel for my own interests. Any and all pieces of kit in the nation are meant for the defense of Israel and naught else; almost like a lend-lease program. My focus is to protect the state of Israel from being overwhelmed by an Islamic superstate or consumed from the inside-out by terrorist cells and the like. I'm not a religious individual, but I have much respect for the Israeli state granted its people have seen many a hardship and it'd be a waste to see it go.

Excellent! We have an accord. Two persons watching over Israel is better than one; especially since they'd just try to fight me for the heck of it. I am a religious person, and have the same respect for that state, and lack of desire to see it fall to such less desirable.
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| May 10, 2011, 10:12 pm
Quoting Ultramarine All Muslims are/could be terrorists; Israel can/will be attacked by them.

The Union expresses concern that such vile r@cists can be allowed to base their laws and foreign policy upon religions based upon unproven statements and happenings. It troubles the Governor so much, that he has offered asylum to all Islamic people seeking to flee persecution. It is a crime to round people up based upon their religion, and it makes you no better than Hitler (because that's what Awe and I are).
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| May 10, 2011, 10:21 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Didn't know it was a song...


"The money keeps rolling in" was a lyric of a popular song during the economic boom of the 20s. However, the Great Depression came in and wrecked that.

@Israel business: China too agrees to take in Muslim refugees of Western tyranny and theocracy. Indeed, China is open to all who wish to worship in freedom, without fear of the state.
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| May 10, 2011, 10:28 pm
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Yeah, ok. You guys have fun with that part. Of course, taking everything I say out of context.

Like I've always said, and this is beginning to sound like a broken record, that the admin's say that Muslims in my territory (or any, for that matter) cannot suddenly be turned at another's whim and kill another 3,000 or so of my civilians is all it will take for it to never have happened. Let's see how long it takes before someone either reads what I've said and taken it to heart, or we go on and on and on and on and on about this for ICFs to come.

However, it appears that some people's desire to inflict massive damage with no loss to themselves by using these unfortunate people as hapless tools outweighs their high morality about the same hapless people's maltreatment?

Yeah, that's a great point come to think of it. Anytime you all want to use Muslims to kill your enemy via insurgents, then any one of them will answer the call. Then when I say "Any one of them could be a terrorist" I'm suddenly a bigot? Am I the only one that sees that this equation doesn't add up?
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| May 10, 2011, 10:53 pm
The Islamic Defense Union has erupted in outrage over the statements coming out of the Western Republic. Patriotic rallies and protests against the Western tyrants clearly demonstrate the severe concern.

Immediately legislation passed encouraging any and all Muslims living in Western nations to seek shelter in the nations of the IDU. A mandate was passed requiring increased welfare and military spending in all member nations.
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| May 10, 2011, 10:55 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, ok. You guys have fun with that part. Of course, taking everything I say out of context.

Like I've always said, and this is beginning to sound like a broken record, that the admin's say that Muslims in my territory (or any, for that matter) cannot suddenly be turned at another's whim and kill another 3,000 or so of my civilians is all it will take for it to never have happened. Let's see how long it takes before someone either reads what I've said and taken it to heart, or we go on and on and on and on and on about this for ICFs to come.

However, it appears that some people's desire to inflict massive damage with no loss to themselves by using these unfortunate people as hapless tools outweighs their high morality about the same hapless people's maltreatment?

Yeah, that's a great point come to think of it. Anytime you all want to use Muslims to kill your enemy via insurgents, then any one of them will answer the call. Then when I say "Any one of them could be a terrorist" I'm suddenly a bigot? Am I the only one that sees that this equation doesn't add up?

The only reason why they were used against you as insurgents in the first place is because of the way you treated them prior.
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| May 10, 2011, 10:57 pm
In the SC...

The men's bodies have been identified, showing that they are of Argentinean origin. After almost 3 hours of research the tattoos they have been traced to a rebel group with ties to the cartels and much more interesting, the Argentinean government. After the fall of America, the Argentinean government fell into corruption and the cartels gained more power over the people, and now seemingly control the whole country. The government of Argentina, obviously has denied that and has demanded for us to return the bodies of the gangsters. The Border Guard replied with a stern "no."

Around Hawaii, the final half of the doomed LPDs has been raised and the steel will be refined and used in rebuilding the economy and the Panama canal above all. Speaking of the canal, constant work by the provided WR, CDC, and Brazilian engineers has been drafted to finish work on the first set of locks on the Atlantic side and be midway done on the Pacific side.

Development of a certain... Thing has begun and another... System is finishing up. Also, the Military has a rough date for an armored exercise with our new Cuban tanks T2A1s, as they have been designated, on the 16th.
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| May 10, 2011, 11:02 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The only reason why they were used against you as insurgents in the first place is because of the way you treated them prior.

How did I treat them prior? Quotes and ICF numbers along with dates, if you don't mind. Back it up or back down, plain and simple.

I'll give you a hint, you won't find them.
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| May 10, 2011, 11:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
How did I treat them prior? Quotes and ICF numbers along with dates, if you don't mind. Back it up or back down, plain and simple.

I'll give you a hint, you won't find them.

Probably because you deleted them to hide your tracks, just like a corrupt government works!

And the rest of the Axis did not ask for the Islamic Uprising to happen, nor did we ask for John Dawn's assistance.
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| May 10, 2011, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Probably because you deleted them to hide your tracks, just like a corrupt government works!

And the rest of the Axis did not ask for the Islamic Uprising to happen, nor did we ask for John Dawn's assistance.

You cannot delete posts in locked ICFs. At least I don't think so... But you won't find them because they don't exist. You're just dodging the issue.

However, I suffered similar attacks TWICE in the last group, and I have no desire whatsoever to suffer it in the future. All you guys are doing is calling me a bigot but keeping the status quo for your own conveniences.

What makes you think any one of them would join your cause if they're just peace loving people like the rest of us? So, back it up. Apparently, some people are willing to exploit the very aspect you chastise me for cracking down on. Backwards? Yep. So, moral of the story: Either fix (make it go away) it or stop your complaining.
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| May 10, 2011, 11:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Like I've always said, and this is beginning to sound like a broken record, that the admin's say that Muslims in my territory (or any, for that matter) cannot suddenly be turned at another's whim and kill another 3,000 or so of my civilians is all it will take for it to never have happened.

Point of fact: the parties responsible for that were highly trained field agents, and as far as I know, only muslims for convenience. In fact, they weren't even on the continent because of you in the first place.

Ye be gettin' mixed up; Cliffe's little riots didn't accomplish anything at all.
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| May 11, 2011, 5:02 am
I do not plan on taking in Islamic people, and turning around and sending them out as soldiers. That would be immoral, something the PCU strives not to be.
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| May 11, 2011, 8:22 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Point of fact: the parties responsible for that were highly trained field agents, and as far as I know, only muslims for convenience. In fact, they weren't even on the continent because of you in the first place.

Ye be gettin' mixed up; Cliffe's little riots didn't accomplish anything at all.

Yes, I know. And thank you for the written confession, it's about time. However, you did intimate that it was on the table for you to try to get them to rise up.

Yeah, they did accomplish quite a bit, it was just caught up in the rest of the CR. But I don't care about that. 3 times is 3 times too many for my tastes. It will not happen again, that is to be assured. Back in the old group, Ham thought it was open season whenever I went to war against him.

I'm just laughing because when someone wants to use them for their own ends, then John Q. Muslim suddenly becomes (and very willingly for no apparent reason other than they want them to) Johnny Suicide Bomber. However, when I say that I'm doing something to stop that from happening, then never in a million years would John Q. Muslim become Johnny Suicide Bomber and how dare I be so bigoted as to think it would ever happen; until someone else decides to use them as proxy weapons...

I don't think that's sunk in yet to a lot of people around here...
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| May 11, 2011, 2:54 pm
Ultra you've somehow given me a briliant idea... thanks!
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| May 11, 2011, 4:30 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Ultra you've somehow given me a briliant idea... thanks!

M'kay. Have fun. Just remember that anything you can do, I can multiply 100x and put it back on you. Keep that in mind and have fun!!
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| May 11, 2011, 4:35 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yes, I know. And thank you for the written confession, it's about time. However, you did intimate that it was on the table for you to try to get them to rise up.

Actually, half the reason I told Cliffe it was a bad idea was the likelihood that any agent masterminding a riot would have a minimal chance of escape. The other half was that riots don't usually accomplish half as much as putting teh ghey potionz in the water supply.

Quoting Ultramarine .
M'kay. Have fun. Just remember that anything you can do, I can multiply 100x and put it back on you. Keep that in mind and have fun!!

Well, I guess we know who's taking credit for spamming the Super War Chariot blueprints all over the internet.
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| May 11, 2011, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, I guess we know who's taking credit for spamming the Super War Chariot blueprints all over the internet.

The only reason I would steal those plans would be to make weapons range targets, and even then they'd be substandard. No, it was not me.
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| May 11, 2011, 11:39 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The only reason I would steal those plans would be to make weapons range targets, and even then they'd be substandard. No, it was not me.

Unless you wanted to prove to him that you could do whatever you wanted without him being able to stop you.
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| May 12, 2011, 12:00 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Unless you wanted to prove to him that you could do whatever you wanted without him being able to stop you.

No, I'm pretty sure it was Nick that did it, and they only called it a 'hack' to throw suspicion. Ever wonder why Cliffe's response was "LOL! I wonder who stole those plans?" Instead of "@>M!@*&% WHO STOLE THE @#(&*$ PLANS?!?!?!"?
Might just have been me that wondered what change came over the normally mild-mannered Kaiser roll causing him to act uncharacteristically nonchalant.
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| May 12, 2011, 12:16 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
No, I'm pretty sure it was Nick that did it, and they only called it a 'hack' to throw suspicion. Ever wonder why Cliffe's response was "LOL! I wonder who stole those plans?" Instead of "@>M!@*&% WHO STOLE THE @#(&*$ PLANS?!?!?!"?
Might just have been me that wondered what change came over the normally mild-mannered Kaiser roll causing him to act uncharacteristically nonchalant.

It's because I no longer care too much for my current chariots, as new ones are on the way. As soon as Jake comes back for the summer. He loves making stuff for me. :3
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| May 12, 2011, 3:56 pm
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The first batch of JAS-43 Sparv has reached 75% completion, and the first examples are expected to be ready in a week.

Saab is also busy cranking away at a new aircraft as well, although this project is considered of "lesser priority" compared to current ones.
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| May 12, 2011, 5:03 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
con·ceit·ed

-adjective
1.
having an excessively favorable opinion of one's abilities...

Assured:
Exhibiting confidence and authority.
"I am assured that I have the ability to do what I have claimed."
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| May 12, 2011, 5:20 pm
The PCU is disturbed by the two-faced ways of certain members in this group.

The PCU is also pretty /LOLface at the WR's continued threats of "multiplying magnitude" of attacks on their soil, and their continued shows of force through "would you want this to be gone?". The WR is a criminal. They threaten for their power. They take by force what they cannot earn by right. They are hardly worthy to tread the ground by which our people were once buried.
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| May 12, 2011, 6:18 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Says the man apparently forgetting that Awe's bombers were used against him.

Don't you listen to what anyone else says? Those bombers were commandeered without permission by the PCU.
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| May 12, 2011, 7:25 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU is disturbed by the two-faced ways of certain members in this group.

The PCU is also pretty /LOLface at the WR's continued threats of "multiplying magnitude" of attacks on their soil, and their continued shows of force through "would you want this to be gone?". The WR is a criminal. They threaten for their power. They take by force what they cannot earn by right. They are hardly worthy to tread the ground by which our people were once buried.

For Allah's sake, that's enough. You are needlessly stoking the fire that powers the robot that beats the dead horse. EVEN I am starting to get tired of it. :
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| May 12, 2011, 8:51 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For Allah's sake, that's enough. You are needlessly stoking the fire that powers the robot that beats the dead horse. EVEN I am starting to get tired of it. :


Mhm. Amen to that.
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| May 12, 2011, 9:31 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For Allah's sake, that's enough. You are needlessly stoking the fire that powers the robot that beats the dead horse. EVEN I am starting to get tired of it. :

The Nazis never gave up. >.>
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| May 12, 2011, 9:54 pm
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Events in the Koaxiang Empire:
-We believe that our economic recovery time should be drawing to a close any day now. It certainly feels like it's been nearly two weeks, I'd like the admins to remind me what day exactly they posted the cooldown times on. I went back, couldn't find the post anywhere.
-There is nothing sketchy in the West.
-There are no satellites passing over Brazil.
-The Arketers are not hidden out of all sight, waiting for when they're needed again.
-Rumors of extensive trade with Spain and Egypt are completely unfounded. Really.
-Rumors of trade with Indonesia are actually quite accurate. Maybe.
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| May 12, 2011, 9:55 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Events in the Koaxiang Empire:
-We believe that our economic recovery time should be drawing to a close any day now. It certainly feels like it's been nearly two weeks, I'd like the admins to remind me what day exactly they posted the cooldown times on. I went back, couldn't find the post anywhere.


May 16 is the end, it was in the last ICF on May 2.
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| May 12, 2011, 10:03 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
The Nazis never gave up. >.>

No, they just ran off to Argentina.
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| May 12, 2011, 10:11 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
-There are no satellites passing over Brazil.

And there are no satellites passing over China... Not at all, because that would be a breach of privacy during peacetime.
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| May 12, 2011, 10:12 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
And there are no satellites passing over China... Not at all, because that would be a breach of privacy during peacetime.


I know, right? That's why there aren't any.


Quoting Matt Hacker

May 16 is the end, it was in the last ICF on May 2.


Ah, so a few days more. I can work with that.
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| May 12, 2011, 10:16 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
And there are no satellites passing over China... Not at all, because that would be a breach of privacy during peacetime.

Their orbits had better not pass over Kazakhstan.
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| May 12, 2011, 10:17 pm
In the SC...

The Congress has voted on disbanding the former Wartime Security Council, in favor of reinstating the elected officials control over the Confederation. Also in government news is that primary elections for new Governors of Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, and the slew of Central American states under the Confederation's control along with Mexico. Also Congress has voted upon placing trade embargos on Argentina until they decide to disband their Cartel-led government.

Multiple reports of loud noises around government owned property have been received and the annoyed civilians have been assured that it is just scheduled construction on property. Also, reports of Cartel crimes in the Confederacy has fallen drastically.

Research and other things continue... With possible results in a week or so.
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| May 12, 2011, 10:33 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Public opinion isn't very high for the High Command for their recent "Clean Sweep" operations. However, things took a surprising turn. As the first boatload of Muslims bound for points unknown as classified was setting out, a group of imams calling themselves the Council of Eighteen petitioned the High Command for a parlay. They proposed a rather radical solution to the radical problem, the CE wants to assure the HC that there will not be another radical problem in the Western Republic, in return for no more round-ups. "What is your proposal? What exactly do you mean?" was the question posed by the HC. "If those among us that wish to follow the Jihad in a violent manner survive, give them to us. If they don't survive, give their families to us." "You mean, eradicate them?" "Yes, quite so." This was further than the HC was willing to go. However, a full hour of deliberations was held until they came to their decision. "Your requests are granted. However, you will not be allowed to have or practice your own legal traditions, you won't have your own communes or anything, but you can execute your wishes. You will be watched closely, do not deviate from the agreements here, or consequences will follow." "But their families?" "We like it here." "Wow." That was the highlights, but if you all think it can't happen, speak up now and the roundups will continue! So basically, we don't expect anyone to rise up too soon here doing anything rash. I mean, after all, it is right in line with what you guys have been saying, so either it flies or it doesn't, your choice.

Research on certain explosive and munitions combination continues. BASMs research continues. The results are in from the M100 armor trials, and everything is set to go for the production, when we get the green light.

Speaking of green, plans for Operation: Phase Line Green are being drawn up for the WR President when he takes office. It deals with certain parties and certain plans. They are quite the bang, and quite comprehensive.

Speaking of which, Midway rebuilding is going along just fine. Instead of having only Sand Island based, both Sand and Eastern Island will be built up. Accommodations for up to 80 aircraft are being erected. Realizing from the most recent actions, and a moderator pretension of preferring ships over aircraft when it comes to a match-up (even though history shows that as paper covers rock, so aircraft covers ship) classified defenses will make the islands unbreakable. Over 50 SAM emplacements will adorn the chain, and a classified number of BASMs will crack up anything within 1,200 miles that we don't like there. Classified as well is the number of conventional ASMs based there.

Two candidates have emerged and been chosen for Presidency. They're both pretty much conservative, so we'll be in good hands either way. They both agree, at least, that defense is paramount. We believe they will make us stronger instead of weaker hoping that as no threat, everyone will just leave us alone. They'd prefer us to be more of a threat than anyone with wisdom would want to mess with.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For Allah's sake, that's enough. You are needlessly stoking the fire that powers the robot that beats the dead horse. EVEN I am starting to get tired of it. :

Hmmm. You know, maybe we've been misunderstanding each other this entire time...

Quoting Brikkr ™
And there are no satellites passing over China... Not at all, because that would be a breach of privacy during peacetime.

That's ok, I watch the entire world every 24 hours. Or I have Google Earth do it for me, same thing really only contracted.
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| May 13, 2011, 11:53 am
Quoting Ultramarine

It seems liberals are just as bad in your dictatorship as Muslims. Remember, without a balance of parties your country won't be too great on the political spectrum. The PCU raises you a House of Representatives.

Quoting luke peterson

WOHAHAHAHA!

....

In Union News on this fabulous day of May 13, 2037:

Senegal's War:

With the rebellious government of Guinea-Bissau haven been taken into custody, all that remains is Guinea's. Several Senegalese IFV-1s have rolled into Conakry, but were stopped a ways away from the Capitol Building by T-55s. While the IFVs exchanged rounds with the Soviet tanks, two Mi-8s landed on the roof of the Capital Building and evacuated the government.

As of now, the Senegalese Army is locked up on the outskirts of Conakry as they were pushed back by T-55 tanks, mortars, and a squadron of Mi-24 Hinds.

Gulf of Mexico:

The HGS Nimitz recovered the battered Third Fleet today, having been sitting in port after the loss of their flagship. However, the Nimitz brought along a small treasure for the Third Fleet: a Fleet of Military/Civilian Salvage ships. During the Battle of the Gulf, the HGS Ronald Reagan, numerous destroyers, and several airframes were lost to the seas. As they reside in shared seas, the PCU is within its rights to pick them up.

The End of the PCU Rebellion:

The PCU silenced a few key leaders of some mountain people who performed far and in-between ineffective raids on PCU bases in Northeastern Oregon. Without them, and the intelligence we recovered from their places, we have a pretty good idea where the rest of their gang is hiding.

Foreign News:

The 300 logistics vehicles purchased from Russia have performed well shuttling the dead away from the Border and towards Astoria National Cemetery. However, due to political disapproval with some of Russia's actions, the Governor has not asked for more.
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| May 13, 2011, 6:23 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Gulf of Mexico:

The HGS Nimitz recovered the battered Third Fleet today, having been sitting in port after the loss of their flagship. However, the Nimitz brought along a small treasure for the Third Fleet: a Fleet of Military/Civilian Salvage ships. During the Battle of the Gulf, the HGS Ronald Reagan, numerous destroyers, and several airframes were lost to the seas. As they reside in shared seas, the PCU is within its rights to pick them up.

How about no. It's your loss since you thought it would be funny to play BP with the oil rigs, and it is within the WR's waters, IIRC. /Void stamp
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| May 13, 2011, 7:02 pm

Quoting luke peterson

WOHAHAHAHA!



What I say?

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| May 13, 2011, 7:35 pm
Quoting Brikkr

Don't get up in my business, puppet!

The Fleet didn't get within 100 miles of the WC's coast, since that would've been suicide even for a Fleet that had odds on its side. When we figured we'd be hunted down, I sent the Fleet to Mexico. It's within John's waters, not Ultra's.


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| May 13, 2011, 7:52 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Don't get up in my business, puppet!

The Fleet didn't get within 100 miles of the WC's coast, since that would've been suicide even for a Fleet that had odds on its side. When we figured we'd be hunted down, I sent the Fleet to Mexico. It's within John's waters, not Ultra's.

Don't get up in my face, aggravatior!

I was under the impression that it was in Ultra's water. So just cool your attitude and don't start arguing and insulting everyone when they say something they perceived incorrectly.
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| May 13, 2011, 8:11 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
It seems liberals are just as bad in your dictatorship as Muslims. Remember, without a balance of parties your country won't be too great on the political spectrum. The PCU raises you a House of Representatives.

Without getting too political, when all liberals do is raise deficits, cut the military down to a mere shadow of its former glory, and spend until they double and more the deficits* for every past President added up, why should I bother with them?

*Mentioned twice for effect.

Quoting Nick Shelton
The HGS Nimitz recovered the battered Third Fleet today, having been sitting in port after the loss of their flagship. However, the Nimitz brought along a small treasure for the Third Fleet: a Fleet of Military/Civilian Salvage ships. During the Battle of the Gulf, the HGS Ronald Reagan, numerous destroyers, and several airframes were lost to the seas. As they reside in shared seas, the PCU is within its rights to pick them up.

Yeah...Pretty much what Brikkr said, only stay away from the oil rigs. And since you lost most of your aircraft around the rigs, u no can haz! Except I don't plan on razing the craft anytime soon, so you won't have to worry about my 'barbarism.'

Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU silenced a few key leaders of some mountain people who performed far and in-between ineffective raids on PCU bases in Northeastern Oregon.

The Western Republic would like to remind the PCU that Northwestern Oregon is now WR territory and this apparently didn't happen as a result. Thank you.


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| May 13, 2011, 8:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The Western Republic would like to remind the PCU that Northwestern Oregon is now WR territory and this apparently didn't happen as a result. Thank you.


Northwestern Oregon is still PCU, Northeast is now yours. So Nick is doing stuff in the Northwest, not the Northeast.

In China:
-We await. It's gonna be big.
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| May 13, 2011, 8:35 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Northwestern Oregon is still PCU, Northeast is now yours. So Nick is doing stuff in the Northwest, not the Northeast.

In other news, the High Command has recently acquired a working compass...
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| May 13, 2011, 8:36 pm
@Ultra

Oh no, Egypt and the rest of the Islamic Defense Union understands you very, very well.

HAIL PCU!
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| May 13, 2011, 8:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton
It seems liberals are just as bad in your dictatorship as Muslims. Remember, without a balance of parties your country won't be too great on the political spectrum. The PCU raises you a House of Representatives.

Without getting too political, when all liberals do is raise deficits, cut the military down to a mere shadow of its former glory, and spend until they double and more the deficits* for every past President added up, why should I bother with them?

*Mentioned twice for effect.

Quoting Nick Shelton
The HGS Nimitz recovered the battered Third Fleet today, having been sitting in port after the loss of their flagship. However, the Nimitz brought along a small treasure for the Third Fleet: a Fleet of Military/Civilian Salvage ships. During the Battle of the Gulf, the HGS Ronald Reagan, numerous destroyers, and several airframes were lost to the seas. As they reside in shared seas, the PCU is within its rights to pick them up.

Yeah...Pretty much what Brikkr said, only stay away from the oil rigs. And since you lost most of your aircraft around the rigs, u no can haz! Except I don't plan on razing the craft anytime soon, so you won't have to worry about my 'barbarism.'

Quoting Nick Shelton
The PCU silenced a few key leaders of some mountain people who performed far and in-between ineffective raids on PCU bases in Northeastern Oregon.

The Western Republic would like to remind the PCU that Northwestern Oregon is now WR territory and this apparently didn't happen as a result. Thank you.


I believe you are confusing liberals with American Democrats.
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| May 13, 2011, 8:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

Before things are going to get better in the IRL economy, things are going to get a whole lot worse.

I think that describes our nation v. nation conflict as well.

Quoting Matt Hacker

Red Storm Rising = ME GUSTA.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:07 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Ultramarine

Before things are going to get better in the IRL economy, things are going to get a whole lot worse.

I think that describes our nation v. nation conflict as well.

Quoting Matt Hacker

Red Storm Rising = ME GUSTA.

What did you mean with the MUHAHAHAHA!
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| May 13, 2011, 9:08 pm
Quoting luke peterson
What did you mean with the MUHAHAHAHA!

It was WOHAHAHAHA, and I meant that the Great American War is never-ending, or at least until the group ends. Ultra's crossed the line, and he knows it.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
It was WOHAHAHAHA, and I meant that the Great American War is never-ending, or at least until the group ends. Ultra's crossed the line, and he knows it.

Well why did you say it in a reply to me?
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| May 13, 2011, 9:25 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
It was WOHAHAHAHA, and I meant that the Great American War is never-ending, or at least until the group ends. Ultra's crossed the line, and he knows it.

And 'he' doesn't really care, either. Especially since 'he' has a 2 week head start on you and the home field advantage. Not to mention China is gone back to sleep, and none of your other allies could do what he did, just look at how 'sterling' the Egyptian performance in Mexico was, we're still burying their dead.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:35 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Well why did you say it in a reply to me?

Because I was laughing that you thought a simple treaty would end a war that will span at least two groups.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:36 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Because I was laughing that you thought a simple treaty would end a war that will span at least two groups.

When did I say that?
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| May 13, 2011, 9:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And 'he' doesn't really care, either. Especially since 'he' has a 2 week head start on you and the home field advantage. Not to mention China is gone back to sleep, and none of your other allies could do what he did, just look at how 'sterling' the Egyptian performance in Mexico was, we're still burying their dead.

Ima come out of line here and say that sometimes political leaders should stay out of a military conflict.

And China was useful in a defensive role, which I was forced into twice after you invaded me.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And 'he' doesn't really care, either. Especially since 'he' has a 2 week head start on you and the home field advantage. Not to mention China is gone back to sleep, and none of your other allies could do what he did, just look at how 'sterling' the Egyptian performance in Mexico was, we're still burying their dead.

You fail to realize I had no idea what I was doing due to poor communication. I now operate mostly on my own, although in conjunction with my allies if need be. Plus, the IDU has changed everything.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:41 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Ima come out of line here and say that sometimes political leaders should stay out of a military conflict.

'Political leaders?'

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You fail to realize I had no idea what I was doing due to poor communication. I now operate mostly on my own, although in conjunction with my allies if need be. Plus, the IDU has changed everything.

Yeah, now you can lose even more men in futile conflicts. Thanks to the treaty, you cannot have any people in the PCU until he decides to go postal, and you've got a big, wide ocean to cross. We'll be waiting...

And I wouldn't suggest getting Russia riled at this point, they've got more men in the army than you have citizens.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:42 pm
I think the deal was only Chinese people. Egypt can base troops whenever they want, and they are doing so right now, just like I am basing airmen and Marines in his country.

...

Naval News:

A product has been pitched.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:51 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I think the deal was only Chinese people. Egypt can base troops whenever they want, and they are doing so right now, just like I am basing airmen and Marines in his country.

The deal was all foreign troops leave our lands. "All foreign soldiers will leave PCU and WC territory." We've held up our end of the bargain, all Cuban soldiers have been withdrawn from WR lands, yet you're continuing to build up Egyptian bases? I call foul play. What is it with you and your selective remembrance of terms?

When I said "The PCU will not be allowed to pursue trade with China or base Chinese aircraft/troops in the future." That was to stop the Arketer from being used, though it also stops them from sending over troops.
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| May 13, 2011, 9:56 pm
They own land in the PCU, so they can't really you know, leave. It's their base.

And the Arketer wasn't controlled by PCU pilots at any time except for one classified job, and that was not known to China either. We literally stole an Arketer.
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| May 13, 2011, 10:11 pm
Not to get too politcal, but I want to correct Ultra here on how he claims that the liberals are responsible for our debt. George W. Bush (followed closely by Ronald Reagen, who more then doubled US debt while in office, without considering inflation) was responsible for most likely the largest increase in debt (in his 2 terms). While liberals are usually in favor of more government spending, it doesn't mean that they are in favor of spending money we don't have (like Republicans have been going on about since they lost they '08 election).
jus' saying...
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| May 13, 2011, 10:19 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And the Arketer wasn't controlled by PCU pilots at any time except for one classified job, and that was not known to China either. We literally stole an Arketer.

Without bases in the states, the Arketer will fall out of the sky for lack of fuel on the return trip. The aerial blockade was and is comprehensive enough to down any support tankers, but we couldn't see the bombers to stop them.
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| May 13, 2011, 10:19 pm
Are you thinking that in the event of a war I'm still bound to follow a treaty? Man, you really are hopeful!
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| May 13, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
Not to get too politcal, but I want to correct Ultra here on how he claims that the liberals are responsible for our debt. George W. Bush (followed closely by Ronald Reagen, who more then doubled US debt while in office, without considering inflation) was responsible for most likely the largest increase in debt (in his 2 terms). While liberals are usually in favor of more government spending, it doesn't mean that they are in favor of spending money we don't have (like Republicans have been going on about since they lost they '08 election).
jus' saying...

Obama put the deficit into the TRILLIONS of dollars in his first year in office. Say what you will, but all the deficits added up throughout history can't hope to come within shooting distance of that monstrosity.

What about our inflation right now? The amount food will cost by the end of this year is anyone's guess at this point, but forecasters aren't too optimistic. Yet, the spending continues like never before!

Reagan's was defense (who Hawaii has to thank for the BMD shield currently deployed there against N. Korea despite themselves). Bush's, I do not support, but he wasn't the most conservative of Presidents, he was but a Republican who was tired of taking the constant beatings he was from everyone, so he caved in to pressure.

As this is not an appropriate context for this debate, I will take the high ground and say no more.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Are you thinking that in the event of a war I'm still bound to follow a treaty? Man, you really are hopeful!

I do try to believe the best of people, but some be beyond such things.
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| May 13, 2011, 10:28 pm
In Spain:

The Armada Shipping package containing 30 WC-made Attack Helicopters has arrived. The boys are opening boxes and playing with packing peanuts and bubblewrap. Pilots will soon be retrained on the bird, in an estimated 4 days.

After the joint-force operation in Russia, the first Iberian tank crews have come back to show what they observed at the event. Tankers who stayed home had to attend a mandatory viewing of clips that were filmed, and had to analyze it. Over the next week or so, units will be brought in to participate in exercises against drone M-60s controlled by officers at an undisclosed location. This is to be part of a long-term program to promote highly skilled and efficient soldiers over masses.

In Cape Verde:
The biofuel industry is off to a great start. Shipments are already being made to countries all over the world. Clients prefer them over oil for being cheaper and more reliabe, seeing as the world's oil reserves are rapidly depleting. Poverty has dropped significantly on the islands due to the industry.

In Portugal:
As the Armada is finishing up it's first batch of destroyers, the Portuguese Navy is looking to build a new class of frigate to modernize it's own inventory. Frigates were chosen over larger destroyers due to cost issues.


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| May 13, 2011, 11:20 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Also, if a debt deal isn't reached by Monday, the country will default on a good portion of the national debt.

Followed by a couple of quick invasions.
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| May 13, 2011, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Followed by a couple of quick invasions.


I don't see that happening. In addition to the regular armies, you also have millions of angry, nationalistic guys with guns. The insurgency would be... interesting. Plus, there are always nukes.

Anyways... While China "sleeps" in it's fortress of defensive weapons emplacements, lessons learned in the Needless War are now being applied to designs (nothing is actually built yet, as far as y'all are concerned).
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| May 13, 2011, 11:37 pm
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Like I said, and have been told in the past (though I find it interesting that everyone conveniently ignores it when they're of a certain persuasion) I'm not going to continue debating here even though I could.
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| May 14, 2011, 12:09 am
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Quoting Thomas N
I don't need a debate. I've presented facts. Facts are indisputable, by their very definition. We could only debate opinions.

^Well, believe it or not, that's a typical debate tactic. Presenting your own side as indisputable fact so the other side looks ridiculous. If you want to play it that way, let's play it that way. Thing is, he isn't the only deficit spender, but he's the biggest deficit record-setter of all time(which ain't a good thing, by the way).

http://blog.heritage.org/?p=4210
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703906204575027181656362948.html
And because you'll cast those aside as "Obviously bias and therefore unfounded." I present to you CBS (which is in no way affiliated with FOX News, just in case):
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019931-503544.html
Which affirms the gloomy outlook that will soon become our everyday lives...

Just remember what party controlled the Senate and House during Bush's latter years, it wasn't Republicans.

This is pretty much how I feel (No, I didn't write it):
http://republicanmichigander.blogspot.com/2011/05/another-trllion-dollar-deficit-under.html
(Please note it is simply a commentary on an Associated Press story)

So, I have a question. Why not just stop spending? Is that so hard?
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| May 14, 2011, 12:52 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So, I have a question. Why not just stop spending? Is that so hard?


Actually, it is. The end of WWII brought unprecedented changes to the nation, which allowed things like Medicare, two-car garages, and a permanent war economy. We've been spending like this since 1945, Republican or Democract, no one changes it. With the baby boomers going into retirement... It's not gonna be good. So we can cut the old people's free rides (which no one will do because their votes are too valuable), cut the Pentagon's budget (which no one will do because it provides a lot of jobs), or cut everything in between, giving the finger to our generation.

Make your choice.

/off topic
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| May 14, 2011, 1:47 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Actually, it is. The end of WWII brought unprecedented changes to the nation, which allowed things like Medicare, two-car garages, and a permanent war economy. We've been spending like this since 1945, Republican or Democract, no one changes it. With the baby boomers going into retirement... It's not gonna be good. So we can cut the old people's free rides (which no one will do because their votes are too valuable), cut the Pentagon's budget (which no one will do because it provides a lot of jobs), or cut everything in between, giving the finger to our generation.

Make your choice.

/off topic

Yes, I don't deny that spending has gone on too much under both parties. But never on these levels. It's been badly handled under Reps, I'm totally willing to admit that to our shame.

Give the finger to our generation. I'd rather that than have my kids suffer. But the biggest whallop is coming before you know it.
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| May 14, 2011, 11:17 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Obama put the deficit into the TRILLIONS of dollars in his first year in office. Say what you will, but all the deficits added up throughout history can't hope to come within shooting distance of that monstrosity.

What about our inflation right now? The amount food will cost by the end of this year is anyone's guess at this point, but forecasters aren't too optimistic. Yet, the spending continues like never before!

Actually, it was Reagen that got us from billions of dollars in debt to 2.5 TRILLION. Also, the price of food is mostly influenced by the price of oil (combine harvesters aren't very efficient), so the more republicans continue to feed their addiction to something that is just getting scarcer and scarcer, the more wars the US will have to get itself involved in to protect its oil dealers, or the peasents can just starve to death while billionaire CEOs still enjoy tax benefits courtesy of the local politician in their pocket (maybe its just like that in NJ). Either way, it all comes down to oil.
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| May 14, 2011, 1:35 pm
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In China:
-Stuff happened.

@Politics: Every politician is a crook. Vote Awe for president, 2012, it'll all be better. Just ignore the man behind the curtain.
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| May 14, 2011, 9:24 pm
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Note to self: Never try to debate 4 people at once in an online forum.

Records are records; and Obama's broken them all, that is a fact.

Quoting Thomas N
...but in the end, if we're still dependent on a commodity that is in such dwindling supply, it's all of our faults for not learning to not use oil...

I'm all in favor of hydrogen fuel, because I think the chemical process is completely awesome and I like free gas. However, the fact of the matter is, oil isn't dwindling. It was back in the 70s when no exploration was being done, but it's sprung up in so many places it's actually rather hard to believe. That's why I was taken aback awhile ago when you said that the Gulf oil wouldn't be around in 30 years. Perhaps not, but only in the places we are currently allowed to drill by all the treehuggers. There is massive amounts of oil in the Gulf closer to shore. There is massive amounts of oil in Alaska. There is massive amounts of oil in the form of oil shale in the 4-state combo of CO, NM, UT, and WY that is actually easier to obtain than drilling for it and in larger quantities.

Now, when I say massive, I mean that each one of these sources independently could fuel America for 100 years or more at projected growth rates. If we mined/drilled enough of it fast enough, we could effectively buy out the Middle East and have the world coming to us for the black gold and practically name our prices. Of course, if it is used for thousands more years, it will go away. However, the situation is not so desperate to warrant "Manhattan Project" size government research and investment as some would like us to believe. This is really what's happening right here:
http://patriotupdate.com/oldsite/cartoons/view/2010-05-21/Environmentalism-vs-Oil-Exploration

However, I digress. This is neither the place nor the time for such discussions. I will say no more on any topic.
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| May 14, 2011, 9:41 pm
In the PCU today:

Senegal's War:

Senegalese Marines performed an aerial insertion onto the airport today, where after a day of pitched battle, they captured the field with the loss of 39 Marines and three M2 Bradley IFVs. After the airport was secured, two C-130s landed and deployed two companies of Senegalese Army into the city, as well as five MT-3s. Currently, with the Marine/Army combo pushing outwards, and the Army pushing inwards, the Guinea Army is going to have a hard time repelling all the attacks. To prevent casualties, a single company of PCU troops have been sent to round up civilians.

Third Fleet Rescue:

Cuban/Brazilian airframes were obtained from the seas today. Upon viewing the charred remains of a Cuban fighter, Rear Admiral Hatting immediately had the frames sent back to Cuba, except for one that was intact. It will be hung in the Museum of National History. A Brazilian Blackfish was also saved, and it was mostly intact as well. MoD officials scrambled to have it sent back home, and it currently resting in the bowels of the Wolves Den.

Union Defense:

The old Pacific Defense Network, or PDN, has been upgraded to the UNion DEfense ADministration, or UNDEAD.

Training:

Exercises will be undergoing on the California/Mexico border on the battalion-level. Every battalion in the Army will be rotating there through June 2.

In addition to Army training, the Marines and the Navy will be training on their Indonesian Base.

Air Force units will be training in some more unique tactics as well.

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| May 14, 2011, 10:15 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Something about stealing stuff outta the ocean...

Le no. I salvaged them after the battle. If you can do that can do that then we can, say... pluck MAF-2 and Arketers out of the ocean too.
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| May 14, 2011, 10:29 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Quoting Nick Shelton
Something about stealing stuff outta the ocean...

Le no. I salvaged them after the battle. If you can do that can do that then we can, say... pluck MAF-2 and Arketers out of the ocean too.

Fine with me then. None of the systems were even working, after a month and a half underwater. I mainly just wanted to look at it. >.>


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| May 14, 2011, 10:32 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Le no. I salvaged them after the battle. If you can do that can do that then we can, say... pluck MAF-2 and Arketers out of the ocean too.


If it's just for museum purposes, I'm fine with people taking my wrecks. It's when they try to get the secrets out... That's when I have a problem.
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| May 14, 2011, 10:33 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

If it's just for museum purposes, I'm fine with people taking my wrecks. It's when they try to get the secrets out... That's when I have a problem.

Well, we'll just make sure that the next CM doesn't gobble down his whole "I gotz all teh secrets of da dlackfeeshes!" story...
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| May 14, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, we'll just make sure that the next CM doesn't gobble down his whole "I gotz all teh secrets of da dlackfeeshes!" story...


Indeed, we shall.
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| May 14, 2011, 10:43 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, we'll just make sure that the next CM doesn't gobble down his whole "I gotz all teh secrets of da dlackfeeshes!" story...

Like I said, the systems are all useless at this point. I literally only have it to gawk at it in my personal showroom. Even if we do somehow manage to replicate it, it will have my systems in it.
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| May 14, 2011, 10:47 pm
In the SC...

Congress has just released a statement to the people of the Confederation stating that the Cartels in Brazil, Colombia, and Venezuela have been wiped out becaue of constant action against them and without a leadership base thanks to Anti-Terrorism squads. The Cartels have finally shrunken down to Inter-city gang levels and some have been completely demolished. Also in the news about Cartels, Argentina has released a brief statement to their citizens: "We shall not fall to the wishes of our neighbors to the North. They can't break our spirits our or economy with their silly embargo. Good evening."

A rather terrible crime had been committed by our friends to the south today, apparently. A bus was hit with something considered rather overkill: an Anti-Tank Missile. There were no survivors.

The elite "Iron Tigesr" unit of tank aces from the Great War has begun teaching our tankers in Battalion-Sized rotations in everything from comoflauging their tanks to how to fix a clogged exhaust pipe. A few select units have been delivered our most recent toy- the Cuban Longhorn Tank. Comments have been rather complimentary and it is under consideration to replace our beloved Osorio 2s with Longhorns.

The National Military museum has been delivered the hulls of two moderately undamaged HAT-1s although their systems were fried they were hit, making them useless militarily, basically shells of their former selves (no pun intended). The Museum has also been delivered a version of one of the "Angel of Death" B-52s with mock-up electronics. (for national security reasons)

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
It's when they try to get the secrets out... That's when I have a problem.

Exactly the same conclusion I jump- err leaped too.

Quoting Nick Shelton

Hero Derp I forgot that computer+water=bad... Whoops. You can keep it I guess.

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| May 14, 2011, 10:58 pm
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The UNC would be highly interested in increased trade with the following nations:
China
PCU
SC
Australia/NZ
EC
SU
and Cuba

After analyzing trade within the Fiscal year, we were shocked to discover a near-trade deficit. As a result of this, the UNC desires to increase general trade and commerce with those nations which we have not pursued extensively.

The "9G" network announced last year (courtesy of Nokia)has become a financial success within the private sector, and as a result, the UNC is experiencing some of the fastest and most stable connections in the world.

Political news time:
Calls for halting of military trade with the WR have not gone unheeded by the government. By now, those fringe groups that had cropped up shortly after formation are starting to reappear, and this time they are gaining a moral high ground that is considered unprecedented. These groups have also realized that violence is not the way forward (unfortunately for us AFTER last November's Oslo Massacre) and these very liberal parties are starting to do well in polls. While PM elections are not scheduled for another two years, the first Parliamentary elections are coming up, and this is creating a tense atmosphere in Stockholm. For his party to have any chance of success, the moderate PM must make concessions, and likely break away trade with the WR, along with official condemnation of Human Rights violations, something that the PM has been slow to do due to the rather absurd reality that Muslims apparently would turn in an instant.

Aid continues to be sent to the WR, PCU, SC, EC, and ACU to help the displaced/affected citizens. Volunteers (particularly Finnish) have come out in record number, and they desire to help build homes for the displaced citizens of the PCU, while Norwegian volunteers in particular seem to be keen on helping the WR's gas attack victims.

Military/other:
The tankers who participated in the Russian exercises are being debriefed very extensively on how to best combat opponents. Due to the findings of the exercises, the C5 series of tanks will be fitted with a second roof mounted machine gun, and tank-infantry coordination is being practiced more extensively to help deal with the crew served ATGM threat.

After a long exercise, the UNC announces the closing of the Baltic-Nordic-British naval exercises, which were hosted in the Northern Atlantic. These exercises focused particularly on join-naval cooperation as well as ASW missions. Due to the good "stealth" characteristics of Baltic and Nordic submarines, ASW officers in all nations are now well versed in tracking and engaging even the most slippery and capable submarines. Air raid drills were also carried out.

JAS-43 production is starting to get geared up too, and a purpose built factory has just opened to help ease pressure due to the great demand for the type.

That's all, folks.
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| May 14, 2011, 11:43 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
The UNC would be highly interested in increased trade with the following nations:
China


Sounds good to us. Just another reason why our economic isn't dead yet.
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| May 14, 2011, 11:53 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
The UNC would be highly interested in increased trade with the following nations:
China
PCU
SC
Australia/NZ
EC
SU
and Cuba

Perhaps we could work something out. I've got plenty of fuel cells and maybe you'd like a look at the IF-15 Fighter?
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| May 14, 2011, 11:54 pm
In keeping with our post-war statements, the Senate initially disapproved of the UNC's request for them to aid us. But, after one Senator reminded them that higher powers were in order, we have accepted their help.
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| May 14, 2011, 11:57 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Hero Derp I forgot that computer+water=bad... Whoops. You can keep it I guess.

Yeah, that and it would probably be pretty damaged. Oh, wait! That would probably fit under the 200 mile economic zone for your portion of Mexico! Quick, say it never happened and you'll get away with it! Ah, ha! Thought you had us, eh Nick? MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh, by the way, any interest in the plans to the HAT-1 complete with the WR's armor composition test results and weapons stabilization system?

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| May 15, 2011, 1:00 am
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Perhaps we could work something out. I've got plenty of fuel cells and maybe you'd like a look at the IF-15 Fighter?


For the cells- I don't really buy into fuel cell technology (nothing against you, btw) and my own fighter is literally a week away from being done. In general, the statement was more along the line to increase commerce between the nations (which can't really be summed up with a few trades). Think increase imports/exports of goods and services in general.

China: Glad that this works out.
PCU: Glad that you took the aid, as well as increased trade.
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| May 15, 2011, 1:03 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
For his party to have any chance of success, the moderate PM must make concessions, and likely break away trade with the WR, along with official condemnation of Human Rights violations, something that the PM has been slow to do due to the rather absurd reality that Muslims apparently would turn in an instant.

Well, it's obviously NOT because it HAS happened to me THREE times before. Just stepping out on a limb here and saying it's likely to happen again, but that's just me. Haven't you been listening this whole time to what I've been saying? It is absurd, but since you guys as the admins won't say yay or nay to "Just peaceful people like you and me" turning into "15 suicide bombers have struck all up and down the WC today..." Then things have to happen. It's rather black and white.

Please, either say "Of course those people we always said that just because they were Muslim they wouldn't kill you can actually kill you because so-and-so said they would just logically join their cause because they want to kill your people without loss to themselves and stuff, so yeah" or "Of course those people we always said that just because they are Muslim they won't kill you, and they won't do so at so-and-so's behest." Thank you.
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| May 15, 2011, 1:10 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .


I've already decided that I'm not going to act upon any issues for a while, and in case you couldn't tell I was agreeing with you that its absurd- but at the same time I'm not about to go screwing around with CRs that have been around for months.

I also have no desire to continue such pointless arguments and appealing to me or the admins won't help since it wasn't our call in the first place.
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| May 15, 2011, 1:12 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, that and it would probably be pretty damaged. Oh, wait! That would probably fit under the 200 mile economic zone for your portion of Mexico! Quick, say it never happened and you'll get away with it! Ah, ha! Thought you had us, eh Nick? MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh, by the way, any interest in the plans to the HAT-1 complete with the WR's armor composition test results and weapons stabilization system?


He taunts us now... But his time will come. Oh yes... Gloat while you can, American powers. Gloat while you can.

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| May 15, 2011, 1:17 am
Quoting Ultramarine Trying to humiliate the PCU after repeatedly saying they wouldn't do that.

http://captionsearch.com/pix/wjc51kjry0.jpg


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| May 15, 2011, 1:22 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

He taunts us now... But his time will come. Oh yes... Gloat while you can, American powers. Gloat while you can.

Well, you've said you're going to chill for awhile, and I'm wondering how much certain countries around you would pay even to know the armor composition? Maybe Russia would like to know? What about the future occupant of India, I bet they could afford at least a billion for the plans. You know, you really should take better care of those things instead of leaving them lying around where they could be picked up by casual operatives.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Trying to humiliate the PCU after repeatedly saying they wouldn't do that.

Exact quote, ICF number, and date, if you please. Thank you.

Or, stop trying to run around and gobble up all this stuff that you said you didn't want me doing.

What is it with everyone and profanities anyhow? Shows a distinct lack of intelligence if you can't express yourself using proper English.
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| May 15, 2011, 1:24 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, you've said you're going to chill for awhile, and I'm wondering how much certain countries around you would pay even to know the armor composition? Maybe Russia would like to know? What about the future occupant of India, I bet they could afford at least a billion for the plans. You know, you really should take better care of those things instead of leaving them lying around where they could be picked up by casual operatives.

Silly Americans! Confident to the grave!

On Profane Image: I thought it described you pretty well.

On Humiliation: Tom said you wanted to humiliate me, and you said that you didn't. I remember it. Don't remember when, but it was during the Peace Talks.

On you being that image: Remember Where it Began, Remember the Union.
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| May 15, 2011, 1:26 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, you've said you're going to chill for awhile, and I'm wondering how much certain countries around you would pay even to know the armor composition? Maybe Russia would like to know? What about the future occupant of India, I bet they could afford at least a billion for the plans. You know, you really should take better care of those things instead of leaving them lying around where they could be picked up by casual operatives.


Alright, listen here kid. Russia and India would very much like to know. You're forgetting something very important: You stole it from the Pacific Union, not China. China has at least 10 times the industrial capacity of any of you over in America, we can make a newer, better armor you don't know about.

However, you crossed a little line here, by threatening my integrity of my nation. Believe it or not, you're not the only one who doesn't like it! Crazy, right? So, as I've told you many times before: DO IT. See what happens.
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| May 15, 2011, 1:33 am
Quoting Matt Hacker

For the cells- I don't really buy into fuel cell technology (nothing against you, btw) and my own fighter is literally a week away from being done. In general, the statement was more along the line to increase commerce between the nations (which can't really be summed up with a few trades). Think increase imports/exports of goods and services in general.

Ah I see. Sure that'd work, it's a deal.
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| May 15, 2011, 7:19 am
Finally the results of the referendum have been established, and the name of the CDC has been formally changed to the Caribbean Union. This new change will allow the government to act much more efficiently, and will greatly increase unity between the states. It is expected to take at least 3 months for all the necessary changes to take effect.
Also, Congress has decided to grant the CU Armed Forces 2 billion dollars to fund veterans’ medical programs, to help treat mentally and physically wounded veterans returning from the Great American War. Also, along with the modernization efforts taking place throughout the military, a large reorganization will also occur, to help improve expeditionary capabilities. This will replace the divisional system to a system based upon specialized Combat Brigades (airmobile, amphibious, mechanized, armored, infantry). We expect to form about 15 of these throughout the services, however this reorganization is expected to take several months to complete.
Also, Congress is considering funding a large off-shore wind farm project, off the coast of several of our island states. If the project goes through, it could greatly speed up the economic recovery going on in the country.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:24 am
IDU Report!

Military reforms across the IDU are running smoothly. Now M60 MBTs of other nations are undergoing major upgrades as well as Egypt's. When finished, they should look something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Magach-7-latrun-2.jpg. However, if it proves too slow or too much of a hassle to complete, we could go with something more like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DM-SC-92-03658.jpg.

Pakistan is almost finished replacing its Al-Khalid MBTs with the Al-Khalid II, planned since 2010. There will be more than one thousand of these fourth generation beasts.

Egypt's fleet of "Ramesses II" tank, currently at around 260, is to be increased using the T-55s Egypt has in storage, bringing the number up to over seven hundred. Upgrades to make the vehicles Ramesses II Mk. IIs include widened bores, ATGMs, ERA, digital operating systems, and fire and damage control systems. Egypt's fleet of upgraded T-62s will also be modernized once again with another bore-widening, stocking of ATGMs and additional armor welding. By this time it will look like an entirely new vehicle.

Egypt's fleet of 1,005 M1A2 Abrams will be upgraded with TUSK, including an infantry-tank telephone, if they don't have it already. They will also receive yet another bore-widening and the most advanced ERA, based on the Russian "Kontakt-5."

All this bore-widening, ERA fitting and welding is creating quite the jobs market across the IDU. The economy is flexing its muscles.

Leaders of the IDU are sitting down with the Saudi government once again to enlighten them on the benefits of joining the Islamic Defense Union. They were very pleased last time we talked to them, we hope it will go even better this time.
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| May 15, 2011, 1:04 pm
Morning Update for 5/15/37

Senegal's War: Senegal has brought control to Guinea-Bissau and the northern half of Guinea. Resistance forces are fleeing to the South, where they will meet a stern wall of Senegalese Troops supported by tanks moving North.

Gulf:
Two ships have been raised so far, and they are being towed to Norfolk. One San Antonio-class LPD was sent with them to protect it from danger.


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| May 15, 2011, 1:09 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
The UNC would be highly interested in increased trade with the following nations:
China
PCU
SC
Australia/NZ
EC
SU
and Cuba


You got somethin' against me?
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| May 15, 2011, 2:10 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
You got somethin' against me?


Why would I do business with a country that has attacked one of my closest allies and neighbors?
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| May 15, 2011, 2:35 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Gulf:
Two ships have been raised so far, and they are being towed to Norfolk. One San Antonio-class LPD was sent with them to protect it from danger.

Space has been made for the ships and a reception for the service members on board has been prepared.

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| May 15, 2011, 2:37 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Why would I do business with a country that has attacked one of my closest allies and neighbors?

Oh... Oops nevermind, sorry 'bout that.
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| May 15, 2011, 2:41 pm
I for one won't have a problem with it. LONG LIVE THE IDU! :D
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| May 15, 2011, 6:12 pm
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In keeping with the promised retraction of such 'atrocities' committed against the Muslims:

The Western Republic High Command finished its investigation into international and domestic reports of rounding up minorities and purposefully displacing/deporting them. Their report of their findings shows that a radical leftist group attempting to undermine the new republic government before it even got started by publishing false stories online with doctored photographs and camera footage. 150 of them were arrested for conspiracy to commit treason and slander against the government.

If you recall, I did say that as soon as an admin said what Evan just did, then I would declare that it never happened. As this is my prerogative and ability to do so, I so declare. It never happened, it cannot be said that the WR has in anyway committed egregious acts against minorities, nor will anymore be said from this member about minorities favorable or unfavorable.

Therefore, any nation claiming such mistreatment of minorities as reason for barring of trade or favorable diplomacy is null and void. Though, we cannot change your mind if it is made up.

Quoting Evan Melick

Yay!

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| May 15, 2011, 7:35 pm
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Following reports from independent press groups revealing that much of the information and video footage obtained by sensationalist news sources on the alleged WR mistreatment of Muslims has been doctored and manipulated, the public's cooler heads are starting to prevail. Nonetheless, aforementioned radical groups are still using this momentum to incite further isolationism, specifically attacking yesterday's initiative to increase trade with a multitude of nations. The anti-WR pressure is somewhat on the decline, although due to the very muddled nature of the causes of the conflict, the prevailing feeling is that the WR was overaggressive and thus was the instigator. The sentiment has not resided.
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| May 15, 2011, 8:01 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The 300 logistics vehicles purchased from Russia have performed well shuttling the dead away from the Border and towards Astoria National Cemetery. However, due to political disapproval with some of Russia's actions, the Governor has not asked for more.

The Union State is presently in the dark as to what policies may have upset the PCU and we greatly wish to be elucidated on these matters for future reference.


In other news, as many have stated, the international arms exercises have ended. The exercises held after the 36-hour night op included such items as: live-round speed delivery [live-fire shooting]; accuracy tests; large-scale and small-scale vehicle-infantry coordination drills; secondary armament live-round delivery; timed field repair drills; drills in contaminated environments; and similar items. In the end, Baltic and Scandinavian tankers ranked as the best training-wise by completing their live-fire and repair exercises with flying colors. Iberian, Byzantine, British, and Chinese tankers were equally tied; however, we have noticed that the Brits and Balkan-goers are lagging in some areas due to the large focus on naval and air spending rather than army enhancement. The military press is willing to release notes taken during specific events upon request from the participants; due to time restraints, we cannot release a CR-style report.
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| May 15, 2011, 8:34 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The Union State is presently in the dark as to what policies may have upset the PCU and we greatly wish to be elucidated on these matters for future reference.

I believe that he is referring to the party of the first part (You) joining the party of the second part (me) in protecting the party of the third part (Israel) against the forth and fifth parties (IDU & PCU).
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| May 15, 2011, 8:51 pm
Due to the recent failure of our tank units and our land army in general and there being an election today. The populous has spoken, the liberal leaning parties were completely bashed today, losing many seats in both houses of Parliament. The conservative MPs which ran on promises to lower government spending in areas such as public transportation and special interests. While, at the same time calling for large increases in defense spending (increases remain lower than cuts). Won many of the seats.

Their first order of business is to increase training and drilling of all forces, demand that the military finds a replacement for the Challenger 3, and call for an end to our addiction to oil. We will not demand companies or reward companies to find greener alternatives, but it is in their best interests to do so. So, most likely they will act with their customers' interests and their profit margins in mind. BP will not be kept out of the loop, and they will still remain a necessity to the industry of our nation, but they too will pursue greener fuels.

All of this fuel talk has led me to my next point. After the quick step down of the former Saudi government, we have already made contact with their new monarchy. News from our ambassadors state that they have no intentions on ending oil trading with us and we support their sovereignty in the face of this growing Islamic Union.

In other news, due to such an influx of South African recruits; there will be a creation of a new type of unit. It will be called the Home Guard (similar roles to that of the national guard). They will only be activated if South Africa is invaded or in cases of emergency, and will be organized into battalion stregthed units. Their jobs are to defend South Africa and help regular military forces in case of natural disaster. For now there are around 5,000 civilians already enlisting for the job.
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| May 15, 2011, 8:52 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I believe that he is referring to the party of the first part (You) joining the party of the second part (me) in protecting the party of the third part (Israel) against the forth and fifth parties (IDU & PCU).

That's what I figured. Never hurts to be sure though.

Quoting henry wang
News from our ambassadors state that they have no intentions on ending oil trading with us and we support their sovereignty in the face of this growing Islamic Union.

We are in support of the latter. The Union State believes with the large amount of more-than-capable arms in their [the Saudi government's] stocks, losing them to an ever-expanding Islamic superstate is a large threat to the regional balance of power. Because of this, the Federal Assembly has given the okay to shrink the size of the Saudi military by force if it falls victim to joining the aforementioned superstate.

In other news, six of the eight frigates commissioned to be built in Russian drydocks have been completed. Due to the small nature and simplistic Byzantine design, their prolonged completion date is sourly looked down upon. The next two should be done by end-week.

Forty-one of the ninety-six UACs bought by the Byzantine Federation have been completed and will begin shipping one the mark hits forty-five. Preliminary littoral trials have been complete, so it's really just a matter of time before the Byzantines receive them.

Also, emergency sales have been approved by the Federal Assembly to arm the Syrian military with twenty more T-90s atop those sold earlier in the fiscal year. Several hundred small arms and quite a sum of both small arms and artillery ammunition have been sold off as well. The sales were approved due to the expanding Balkan coalition pressing into the area.

On note of the latter, twenty more PKs were approved to re-enter the area after the escalation of events in Southern Ukraine have toned down [this will be addressed shortly]. We hope to have them stationed near command posts to act as advisers instead of humanitarians, but beggars can't be choosers.

On note of Ukraine, the politicians that once held respectable positions within the Southern Belt have taken their sits again. After several months of regional belligerence and instability, the Federal Security Interest has been temporarily annexed by the Union State administration as a fully represented state. Said politicians that approached the Union State executive nearly a month and a half back have lived up to their promise of eliminating the bulk of the armed resistance within Ukraine. The former Ukrainian provinces of Crimea, Kherson, Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Luhansk have been combined to create the Jointly Administrated Ukrainian State. Extra seats have been made in the Federal Assembly for the state's representatives and they may become permanent once the two-month sovereign administration probation has ended. Thanks to the puppet regime in Kiev, the annexation is running smoothly with little civil unrest being noted by the press; whether this is because of apathy by the civvies or censorship by the government, we presently have no clue.
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| May 15, 2011, 8:56 pm
Why of course, doing something and then saying it didn't happen is always a way of making a living.

And it's not that, Ultra, concerning Russia. Rather another thing that has rather turned some of UNDEAD against Russian interests.

Speaking of Russia, a war with Cliffe is a war with the Union, and a war with the Union is most definitely going to be a war between Ultra and I, so if you want to speed up the inevitable, I ask you to forcefully deplete their equipment.
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| May 15, 2011, 9:24 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Speaking of Russia, a war with Cliffe is a war with the Union, and a war with the Union is most definitely going to be a war between Ultra and I, so if you want to speed up the inevitable, I ask you to forcefully deplete their equipment.

One problem, you are still recovering, so I don't even think you're allowed to help your ally. Not to mention that a global war of those proportions would have no available mods.
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| May 15, 2011, 9:55 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

With outcries over the recent attempt to frame the republican government still in the election stages, the liberal party is pretty much done for. Things went from bad to worse as far as chances went when the candidates of that party tried to justify and even defend the actions of the conspirators, leading some to believe a witch-hunt might be necessary for the political parties.

The second salvageable Burke destroyer was raised today and is on its way to Hawaii, along with the airframes of about 10 crashed MAF-2s. Though nothing could or would be gained from the wrecks, specific plans are in place for them. The Great Falls is scheduled to be raised on the 21st, after many things have been put in place to make sure she doesn't crack up on surfacing.

Midway is still undergoing comprehensive repairs and overhauls. Placement of defenses is ongoing (I don't recall if that fits under the prohibition or not).

The WR diplomatic team to Israel would like to have a pow-wow with the State to express the WR's continued apprehension of the shameless expansion of the Islamic states all around. On the pro side of things, Israel has received the plans to the M100 and plans on making only a few for strategic purposes. Already having the best tank in the world in the Merkava is hard to beat, after all.

On a side note, the M100 plans are for sale to the general public under some obscure clause of the freedom of information act. I love leveled playing fields!

Quoting Nick Shelton
Speaking of Russia, a war with Cliffe is a war with the Union...

Unfortunately, it's just not the same thing. And Russia would be to me more than China was to you, since not only does he have a better economy, but better hardware overall. Not to mention the equal numbers...

Bottom line, don't irk him. Oh, and I meant about the humiliation thing as being a request to substantiate your claims that I was humiliating you purposefully. It's not like you've been very nice, you know. Running around threatening to blast me out of my own waters claiming things that aren't true, making absurd demands, and being an overall pain.

As for doing it and taking it back, well, I said I would if certain things were done. Therefore, I am merely following what I said I would do.
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| May 15, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Also, on an admin-ly note, Matt and I have discussed, and were rather confused as to how people think they can recover sunk military equipment, and salvage it. The thing is sunk, it obviously has a huge hole in it (if not in multiple pieces), and the electronics are damaged far beyond repair. Feel free to raise them, but in practice refitting and repairing the hulls will take twice as long and be twice expensive as just building a new one. :/

I was just raising them so that cutting them up and selling them for scrap was easier. You know, sailors getting crushed.

Quoting Ultramarine

As I said earlier, it's not cost-effective.

And on your HAT-1 note (MT-100 is a bad name for something that's so much more powerful than anything you've ever owned or will own), any nation buying these glorified knock-off brand, insult to the original, tanks, you must realize that only the Union and the Chinese actually KNOW how they work. Some aspects of the design can and will be exploited due to your lack of knowledge. You have been warned.

(Any nation buying also runs the risk of aerial bombardment at a later date for their crimes.)
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| May 15, 2011, 10:05 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick

I have three names for you:
USS West Virginia
USS California
USS Oglala

Computers, well, they're easily enough replaced. Or dried out, depending on whether or not power was lost first. Holes? Yep, well, worse has been fixed. The USS Cole had a big hole in the side.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Speaking of Russia, a war with Cliffe is a war with the Union, and a war with the Union is most definitely going to be a war between Ultra and I, so if you want to speed up the inevitable, I ask you to forcefully deplete their equipment.

With your forces already reduced by a fair number and your economy having to re-focus, you'd be fighting a war you can't win unfortunately. My goal is to assure that the rather large number of advanced AFVs and attack aircraft bought from the West don't fall into the hands of someone that doesn't have the best record of acting conservatively. The "war" is merely an interdiction that could be resolved peacefully. If Saudi Arabia does decide to join the IDU [something that seems unlikely due to the past nature of said state having joined ineffective Islamic coalitions (look for the GCC and Arab League if you have time)], the Union State would first request a certain percentage of the Saudi military be abolished under the eyes of foreign supervisors. If that doesn't happen, then force is the only answer we can come up with.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And on your HAT-1 note (MT-100 is a bad name for something that's so much more powerful than anything you've ever owned or will own), any nation buying these glorified knock-off brand, insult to the original, tanks, you must realize that only the Union and the Chinese actually KNOW how they work. Some aspects of the design can and will be exploited due to your lack of knowledge. You have been warned.

Yeah, that would be the M100, thank you. And if the C5A or Longhorn could get 2:1 & 1:1 kills, the M90 should do rather well. It was only due to the low numbers of these types that entered service as to their perceived ineffectiveness. You cannot make such claims since they haven't been used in combat.

Your perceived superiority is laughable. What one can make, another can copy. You presume to completely understand how to use the Blackfish when you attempt to copy it? Might I remind you that the HAT-1 is not of PCU origin? It is of Chinese make, and only recently in this group have you obtained it. If you learned how to use it, we can too. It's not rocket science, you know.

Quoting Nick Shelton
(Any nation buying also runs the risk of aerial bombardment at a later date for their crimes.)

So, let me understand this. Midway isn't cause for war, but the purchase of stolen goods is somehow? Ah yes, because it's against you not you against someone else, I see.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:25 pm
<<<< Quouting Ultramarine

Actually...

...the HAT-1 is of PCU origin. OAAE created it. China simply made an updated version with better armor. Since the PCU didn't use that version (it was the same thing, just heavier armor, which equals slowness) you got the old version. Which means the Chinese version (the one that's better) is still safe, and you are still sub-par.

HOW THE TURN TABLES.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:29 pm
Sheesh, so many future conflicts developing? But which one do I piiiiick?
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| May 15, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

Hmm. Cool story, bro. In the CRs, there was no differentiation betwixt the two. China granted you production rights for the other one, my instructions were clear, as was the combat report. I have no reason to doubt I received the plans to the right one. Yes, please argue once again against the CM.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:41 pm
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We ought to check the little things more often. The Mk. II is still safe, the Mk. I is not but it is inferior. The Koaxiang government gives the Yao face to buyers of this cheap, inferior, American knock-off brand. Even if the act of theft was discounted, every sale of this so-called M100 will be just another reminder of how the world fears us, and what we can do.

Furthermore, we also give the Yao face to all this petty fighting of liberals, conservatives, and their elections. There are no elections here, we are above such nonsense. U jelly, democracies?

Quoting Ultramarine .
Hmm. Cool story, bro. In the CRs, there was no differentiation betwixt the two. China granted you production rights for the other one, my instructions were clear, as was the combat report. I have no reason to doubt I received the plans to the right one. Yes, please argue once again against the CM.


However, you stole the PCU plans. Those were from the Mk. I. Mk. II is still over here in China. Yes, you've got the plans, but you have Nick's version, not mine.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:42 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
You guys all seem to forget that Saudi Arabia is not an NPC nation, it is play controlled, so decisions can not be made for it.

But Cole hasn't been active in forever. His time is up, isn't it?
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| May 15, 2011, 10:42 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Nah, I checked, he has 4 days actually, then a warning message and a week to respond. He gets kicked after that.

Hm. Interesting. Well, that settles a lot of things, doesn't it? At least for now.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:45 pm
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The UNC is in a precarious position due to the rekindled threats that our friends in the Federal Republic of Byzantium against our even closer friends (and neighbour), Russia. We urge that cooler heads in the Byzantium will overcome the hotheaded politicians currently in power, especially given your common threat (of the IDU).

The UNC's generally liberal public is starting to eye our friends in the Commonwealth, as well as our business associate in the WR, with extreme suspicion due to the flagrant attempts to stifle a multi-party approach to democracy. While we cannot speak for their citizens, a full investigation is underway to see just how coming in second in a military exercise could lead to massively popular hatred of liberals and how the citizens of the WR are only laying blame on liberals, especially considering the conservative parties were in power during the "conspiracy." We reaffirm our firm belief in actual democracies rather than single party dictatorships.

The UNC also warns the IDU against a conflict with numerous other nations, as while the PCU desires to frame Russia for any possible conflict, by expanding to Saudi Arabia the IDU is in fact the ones creating general instability in its massive and sudden formation.


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| May 15, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
You guys all seem to forget that Saudi Arabia is not an NPC nation, it is play controlled, so decisions can not be made for it.

Ah, yes, about that. Isn't that player approaching if not surpassing the 1-month inactivity thingy?
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| May 15, 2011, 10:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Hmm. Cool story, bro. In the CRs, there was no differentiation betwixt the two. China granted you production rights for the other one, my instructions were clear, as was the combat report. I have no reason to doubt I received the plans to the right one. Yes, please argue once again against the CM.

I suspect that Matt or Henry told you that I was using those tanks, but I wasn't, so what do they know?

If Nation A sent F-15As and Nation B sent F-15Bs to bomb Nation C, would you differentiate between the two? No. What we have here is a classic failure of time. If you want to save time, you won't put the Mk. I and Mk. II between every HAT-1.

Besides, China was re-tooling their factories. I wasn't. And like I said when they first came out, they weren't being put into production. So no plans were in the factories for the Mk. II. Instead, I had the plans in for the Mk. I. I even said that we were working on a different tank, that was lighter but packed the same punch. It still hasn't even reached production lines, but it will be rolling off of them soon.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:49 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

You jealous of my recent trends in the government. Well the excercises, the recent conflict in the world, and the liberals' goals of huge military cuts is what scared the people. Plus, only the very small minority from the liberal party lost. The Labour Party still controls a bit smaller than 2/5 of seats.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting henry wang
You jealous of my recent trends in the government. Well the excercises, the recent conflict in the world, and the liberals' goals of huge military cuts is what scared the people. Plus, only the very small minority from the liberal party lost. The Labour Party still controls a bit smaller than 2/5 of seats.


I will never be jealous of another party, because if I was, why would I even agree with the other party?

Also, we are very happy for Alenia's sake that we rejected the sale of our C5A tanks to them, because in their testing they would be very disappointed that their attempted low-blow attempt to humiliate me would have failed. So unfortunate.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:53 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
...and how the citizens of the WR are only laying blame on liberals, especially considering the conservative parties were in power during the "conspiracy." We reaffirm our firm belief in actual democracies rather than single party dictatorships...

The Western Republic is, right now, so in name only. It is still presided over by the former Western Confederation High Command, which is militaristic in nature, not democratic or republican. Some of the states retain their civilian governments, but the Republic part is still in the election stages and holds no power. Their are still liberals and democrats running, and it's up to the people as to who is elected, but their chances of election right now are next to nil. So it's not 'conservatives' in power at all, it's the military.

The new government isn't slated to take over until the end of May.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
However, you stole the PCU plans. Those were from the Mk. I. Mk. II is still over here in China. Yes, you've got the plans, but you have Nick's version, not mine.

What's good enough for the PCU is good enough for me. We do have brains, by the way, and we'll improve it in our own ways. For one, we'll replace it with a real man's engine instead of that hybrid job; probably boosting its performance vastly.
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| May 15, 2011, 10:56 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
My goal is to assure that the rather large number of advanced AFVs and attack aircraft bought from the West don't fall into the hands of someone that doesn't have the best record of acting conservatively.

Just want to mention that if Cliffe does too much to destabilise the region, I'll take a few weeks from my "glowering at Ultra" budget to give him a quick thrashing.

Quoting Matt Hacker
Also, we are very happy for Alenia's sake that we rejected the sale of our C5A tanks to them, because in their testing they would be very disappointed that their attempted low-blow attempt to humiliate me would have failed. So unfortunate.

Eh? Pretty much everyone seems to think they're the cat's meow, so I want to see how well they'd do in trials against a less agile but superlatively protected vehicle. What is it with you and creatively misinterpreting things I say?
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| May 15, 2011, 10:57 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
What's good enough for the PCU is good enough for me. We do have brains, by the way, and we'll improve it in our own ways. For one, we'll replace it with a real man's engine instead of that hybrid job; probably boosting its performance vastly.


And what's good enough for your is not good enough for me. Improve it however you please, but in your heart, you'll know that you had to steal to get anywhere. Get all the real man's engines you want, you'll still be a thief. How distinctly... unmanly. Tell me how those gasoline engines work out.
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| May 15, 2011, 11:09 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Eh? Pretty much everyone seems to think they're the cat's meow, so I want to see how well they'd do in trials against a less agile but superlatively protected vehicle. What is it with you and creatively misinterpreting things I say?


Because I am highly suspicious of anything that you do or say, for good reasons I might add. Also, I have no doubt that your tank would have done well. I tend to think that my stuff is pretty terrible.
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| May 15, 2011, 11:11 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hey, if the enemy has something good, you steal it and evaluate it against what you've got. It's happened in every war since the first one. I don't loose any sleep at night, that's for sure.

Besides, I only plan on making 50 of them, they're more expensive than they're worth since a tank half the size and half the weight (and therefore twice the airlift capability) can best it 2:1. That's 2:1 against the MkII (yours), by the way.

Quoting Matt Hacker
Because I am highly suspicious of anything that you do or say, for good reasons I might add. Also, I have no doubt that your tank would have done well. I tend to think that my stuff is pretty terrible.

Actually, I thought the C5A was pretty hot, personally.

Can I get an 'official' or at least personal opinion of the M90 MkII?
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| May 15, 2011, 11:18 pm
Man's engine? More like homeless man's engine?
/Yao face
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| May 15, 2011, 11:22 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Hey, if the enemy has something good, you steal it and evaluate it against what you've got. It's happened in every war since the first one. I don't loose any sleep at night, that's for sure.

Besides, I only plan on making 50 of them, they're more expensive than they're worth since a tank half the size and half the weight (and therefore twice the airlift capability) can best it 2:1. That's 2:1 against the MkII (yours), by the way.


The HAT-1 ain't easy to airlift... Besides, it's not the tank I'm worried about, it's the technology. You don't have my armor mix, therefore, I can still use it on other vehicles.
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| May 15, 2011, 11:35 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The HAT-1 ain't easy to airlift... Besides, it's not the tank I'm worried about, it's the technology. You don't have my armor mix, therefore, I can still use it on other vehicles.

I'm going to go with what Nick said and say it's the same, except yours is just heavier. "it was the same thing, just heavier armor, which equals slowness."-Nick Shelton. Notice how he didn't say 'Different?' Since it's classified-classified-classified, then it's easy to take the sneak's way out and say "No, they're completely different in 9000 ways!" Except that puts both of you saying two different things. Of course, Nick will cop-out and say "Oh, my bad!" like he did with saying he agreed to all the terms and then backed out of it. Typical of the type, I must say.

So, I'd suggest switching up armor types, if I were you...
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| May 16, 2011, 12:26 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I'm going to go with what Nick said and say it's the same, except yours is just heavier. "it was the same thing, just heavier armor, which equals slowness."-Nick Shelton. Since it's classified-classified-classified, then it's easy to take the sneak's way out and say "No, they're completely different in 9000 ways!" Except that puts both of you saying two different things. Of course, Nick will cop-out and say "Oh, my bad!" like he did with saying he agreed to all the terms and then backed out of it. Typical of the type, I must say.

So, I'd suggest switching up armor types, if I were you...


There's one special ingredient the Mk. II has that the Mk. I doesn't. And the armor switching has already begun. We're stirring this up like Hitler in 1933!

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| May 16, 2011, 12:36 am
Quoting Matt Hacker
Because I am highly suspicious of anything that you do or say, for good reasons I might add.

I don't generally start conflicts for no reason, and I like to retain the element of surprise. Going "say, you know those fancy factories of yours, nudge nudge, wink wink" doesn't help.

Quoting Matt Hacker
Also, I have no doubt that your tank would have done well. I tend to think that my stuff is pretty terrible.

Well, I think it's a pretty decent MBT, but it's not an area defense unit like the HAT-2 or L-131. The whole point of that sort of design is to plop down a company of them on an important position and rely on their tremendous defensive capabilities to carry the day. Seeing how the most popular (and thus, likely, "best", in the eyes of the CMs) MBT fares against them is thus fairly logical.

But eh, I've got plenty of old Soviet things that I don't need any more. 5 T-72s to 1 L-131 should be a comparable match-up.
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| May 16, 2011, 12:45 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
There's one special ingredient the Mk. II has that the Mk. I doesn't.

You know, Awe, I wish I could trust you on this, I really do. However, there are a few things that just don't line up here. First off, there's a wise old Indian saying that goes something like: "Never trust the changed story of two conspirators." That's exactly what this is. I steal the plans to the HAT-1 that the PCU has production rights for (both of them, for all I know) and you and Nick both get really mad about it. All of a sudden, a week later, it goes from hopping mad to "Lulz! You only got the plans to the MkI, which is so much less asumer than teh MkII!" Few things I find suspect:
1. Why did it take a week for this "Lulz! Bumbling Ultra" story to come out, when you characteristically would have pounced on it right away.
2. You two can't even get your stories straight. Is it different armor, or just heavier?
3. Nick hasn't differentiated between the MkI & MkII on his stats, so for all we know, you two are just now switching it up to protect the MkII.
4. So, PCU factories weren't retooled, it's not like I stole a factory-fresh model, now is it? All production rights were given, so the PCU would have had the plans if they intended to build them in the future at all. Doesn't matter what super-secret location they were kept in, I still got them. Please re-read the CR if you doubt me.

I'm afraid the circumstantial evidence and switched testimony be against ye, lad.
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| May 16, 2011, 5:52 pm
Spanish historians have now come to a conclusion that the break up of the US DID NOT occur from a Trump presidency. This is a cause for celebration "International Trump Not-running Day"
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| May 16, 2011, 5:56 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Huge lumbering tanks aren't even good at defense. They pose a bigger target, are easily flanked, and smaller tanks can be just at good at defending when they are hulled down.
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| May 16, 2011, 6:34 pm
Ultra, I didn't remember that I didn't put the Mk. II into production. /that is all.
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| May 16, 2011, 6:47 pm
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I still think it's dashed convenient. Too convenient. Why didn't you remember? Seems like it'd be on top of one's mind. Two minds, actually, since it seems both of you forgot for a whole week. That is, until you collaborated your stories, and even then not all the way.

But that is beside the point, I read in the old ICF when I was browsing through, and once was told in a rather in-your-face way that you have been granted production rights to all of Awe's stuff. That was AFTER the MkII was made. So, you would have the plans even if you didn't put it into production. It was the plans I stole, no matter where they were. Of course now you won't, and never did, or it was so cleverly hidden that you even forgot you'd hidden it. Like I said, never trust a changed story amongst conspirators.

Simple fact is, I have established that both of you have changed stories, and still can't get them straight. They just don't add up. That you were granted/had in your possession the plans to the HAT-1 MkII or have even produced and operated the MkII under the generic name HAT-1. So it is therefore possible that I have the MkII plans. I'm going on that assumption, for the record.

I suppose, if you persist your inconsistencies, that we could take it to the good doctor and let him decide. I'd rather not do that, since I've been doing it a lot lately, but this is getting out of hand.
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| May 16, 2011, 7:11 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You know, Awe, I wish I could trust you on this, I really do. However, there are a few things that just don't line up here. First off, there's a wise old Indian saying that goes something like: "Never trust the changed story of two conspirators." That's exactly what this is. I steal the plans to the HAT-1 that the PCU has production rights for (both of them, for all I know) and you and Nick both get really mad about it. All of a sudden, a week later, it goes from hopping mad to "Lulz! You only got the plans to the MkI, which is so much less asumer than teh MkII!" Few things I find suspect:
1. Why did it take a week for this "Lulz! Bumbling Ultra" story to come out, when you characteristically would have pounced on it right away.
2. You two can't even get your stories straight. Is it different armor, or just heavier?
3. Nick hasn't differentiated between the MkI & MkII on his stats, so for all we know, you two are just now switching it up to protect the MkII.
4. So, PCU factories weren't retooled, it's not like I stole a factory-fresh model, now is it? All production rights were given, so the PCU would have had the plans if they intended to build them in the future at all. Doesn't matter what super-secret location they were kept in, I still got them. Please re-read the CR if you doubt me.

I'm afraid the circumstantial evidence and switched testimony be against ye, lad.


1. Human error. Sometimes, you forget little facts, until you go back and look.
2. I actually don't know. I was under the impression it was a new armor mix, Nick seems to think it's a heavier brand. In any case, I'm still making my own new mix.
3. Or maybe HAT-1 means HAT-1, and HAT-1 Mk. II means HAT-1 Mk. II? Of course, we'll never agree on anything, our attitudes towards each other are "Annoyed" in Civ terms (Furious towards Nick).
4. You did get it from a computer, that is true. However, we don't know what model is on the computer.

It doesn't matter anyways, even if you get the old version model, it's been compromised.
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| May 16, 2011, 7:42 pm
Tank Plans:

You broke into factories to steal HAT-1 plans. Since the Mk. II wasn't in production, its plans weren't delivered to any factories. However, Mk. Is were, so you got Mk. I plans.

Tank Weight:

New Mix=/=Heavier Weight. I fudged that up a tad.

Civ terms:

/delicious.
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| May 16, 2011, 7:57 pm
New Aircraft carrier coming into production, and one of the old ones will be scrapped for metal parts to sell. This will help fund the new carrier.
And a new tank has been made, but I can to get my hands on a goddang camera...
Oh and the new carrier is on ma Flickr.
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| May 16, 2011, 8:06 pm
Quoting henry wang
Huge lumbering tanks aren't even good at defense. They pose a bigger target, are easily flanked, and smaller tanks can be just at good at defending when they are hulled down.

Except that the Volk is specifically built to deflect shells, and doesn't lumber so much as it has an inability to cross excessively rough ground. It doesn't need that, because it's made to hold ground in concert with emplaced infantry and the lighter Volcitsas.
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| May 16, 2011, 8:21 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
You broke into factories to steal HAT-1 plans. Since the Mk. II wasn't in production, its plans weren't delivered to any factories. However, Mk. Is were, so you got Mk. I plans.

You could be just saying that now, you know, so pardon us for not taking your word. It was rather comprehensive, and over a dozen of your facilities were infiltrated via classified means; that and it was carried out via computer hack. Given a choice, my guys would probably have gone "Oh, MkII plans on database! Shiny!"

I doubt anyone here when anyone mentions HAT-1 would think of anything other than the newest one. Unless you told them otherwise. I still think you all are changing your story to protect the Mk II. I claim mine by right. >.>

Point of fact, and it would require a moderator's say, but did you EVER differentiate to the CM the difference between Awe's tanks and yours? If you can produce evidence that you did in fact do so, backed up by the CM's words (like yes, and here's the copy & paste quote) then I will say that I got the MkI. Otherwise, if you did not, then you took advantage of the CM or are just changing your story. It will have to be your words, not Awe's, and some CM other than Ham, who would substantiate anything you asked him to.

Otherwise, I will claim the MkII. I actually think that would settle this argument quite nicely once and for all. Thank you for your cooperation.
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| May 16, 2011, 9:03 pm
You will not have the Mk. II. Since it was not in production in ANY facility, it was not in the plans at ANY facility. The only place you could've gotten it from was UNDEAD Headquarters, which happened to be the most heavily guarded place in the war (it's in Wolves' Den). So, you did not get that tank.

However, I did use the Mk. I. And you have that. That's a major accomplishment, considering how none of my plans of the exact same caliber did not work when under the same Moderator.


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| May 16, 2011, 9:32 pm
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Well then, because you have changed your story, and I believe you to be telling an untruth, then I claim the MkII. You can say it was untenable now, because it's easy to say now that it backs up your story. It appears that you either took advantage of the combat mod's ignorance and played it as the MkII, or are now changing your story.

It makes no difference, but you'd think if they were that different and one was so much better than the other, then you or Awe would have mentioned it to the combat mod. Like me, I told the CM exactly which M90 I was sending in, because I had specific plans for the M90 MkII and none of them served on the line.

I believe I am within my rights, and unless Dr. Sponty overrules me, then I shall claim the MkII because no solid proof has been presented to say otherwise. I won't debate this further because it's pointless. If you want to go to Dr. S, be my guest.
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| May 16, 2011, 10:19 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


Well, all my orders to Matt Hacker (the only mod besides Ham who ever was being CM when my main force was engaged) had my HAT-1s addressed as the HAT-1 Mk. II, initially. I eventually dropped the Mk. II because I thought they'd get it. I was sure to give each new mod the precise list of what I had over there.

Can't speak for Nick though.
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| May 16, 2011, 10:38 pm
Sorry, but you have the Mk. I. I specifically said that Mk. IIs were being overhauled before they were to be brought into production. They are being overhauled into new units, and I'm making that one on LeoCAD right now.

You are acting like a child, trying to take what isn't yours. Awe said he'd be using Mk. IIs, and his were all pulled out. I didn't use Mk. IIs, they weren't ready. Where'd you get them?
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| May 16, 2011, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Sorry, but you have the Mk. I. I specifically said that Mk. IIs were being overhauled before they were to be brought into production. They are being overhauled into new units, and I'm making that one on LeoCAD right now.

You are acting like a child, trying to take what isn't yours. Awe said he'd be using Mk. IIs, and his were all pulled out. I didn't use Mk. IIs, they weren't ready. Where'd you get them?

The point isn't "Where'd I get them," the point is that most of us believed that the HAT-1 WAS the HAT-1 MkII. Now that's suddenly changing all up because it took you guys a week to figure out your stories....and I'm repeating everything I said before.

Point is, Nick, you were in possession of the plans (regardless of where they were or how awesomely well they were hidden) and it will take the good Doctor himself to overrule me. I think it's very reasonable. Somehow convince him with some sort of evidence other than "I sayz this!" about it and I'm sure he's competent enough to make that call. It can be settled through Dr. S, so it is pointless to argue further.
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| May 16, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The point isn't "Where'd I get them," the point is that most of us believed that the HAT-1 WAS the HAT-1 MkII. Now that's suddenly changing all up because it took you guys a week to figure out your stories....and I'm repeating everything I said before.

Point is, Nick, you were in possession of the plans (regardless of where they were or how awesomely well they were hidden) and it will take the good Doctor himself to overrule me. I think it's very reasonable. Somehow convince him with some sort of evidence other than "I sayz this!" about it and I'm sure he's competent enough to make that call. It can be settled through Dr. S, so it is pointless to argue further.

It's not over until I say it's over. As I said in ICF IV, the HAT-1 Mk. II was being modified into a different variant. At that time, they numbered just under 100. No more were produced. Most of my factories were destroyed by your craftiness, and surviving examples were destroyed as well. Since no more were produced, and I was busy preparing better things like the MT-3, the only place they were was the Wolves' Den, and there is no way in heII you got in there.

And just my two cents here, but why do we have to call in Erik? Because he's been known to side with you? Why can't we call in any other Admin/Mod?
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| May 16, 2011, 11:05 pm
NOTE:

We have been wrong. We did upgrade those HAT-1 Mk. IIs, but we did begin production again during the intermission in the War to replace lost numbers. Once the war broke out again, we shifted materials to MT-3s and those MVT-1s so we could get more in the air in time to save my nation. Mk. IIs ended production the day after you broke the cease-fire. MT-3s led the way. However, it's unclear if the HAT-2 plans would've still been in the factories after nearly two months of not being produced in favor of other designs.

I, under no circumstances, believe that if Ultra was in my position, he would do the same thing I am doing now. This is why I ask all three Admins to have a vote on whether the plans would've still been there. If the plans left to my Den, fine with me. If not, still fine. I am a Unionman, and a Unionman takes responsibility for his actions. I am taking the higher route of the bigger person, and hope that one day the WC will be smart enough to follow.
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| May 16, 2011, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I am a Unionman, and a Unionman takes responsibility for his actions. I am taking the higher route of the bigger person, and hope that one day the WC will be smart enough to follow.


For sure. The Axis remembers the days of respectability.

Meanwhile, in China:
-Economic cool down has ended, it's time to continue producing things. Right now, new types of planes are being made, but all land vehicles are on hold for the moment.
-Development of new armor has begun, in case the Western Republic does have access to our old type.
-New weapons are also being looked into. We know how to penetrate our own mixes...

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| May 16, 2011, 11:18 pm
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@Nick: I appreciate your 'taking the high ground on this,' though I fail to see how I didn't since I never stooped to name calling or needless argument. Also, I've always left the door open to a change, unlike you.

However, the point is not what you produced, as it is according to the combat moderator that I have the HAT-1 plans in hand, that is not debatable. It is on the table, however, WHICH HAT-1 plans I have. That decision, I'm very afraid, will have to be made by Dr. Spontaneous, as he was the one in charge at the time, not just an admin. Tom's word would have been good enough for me, except he could not confirm which HAT-1 you were using. I'll be satisfied with Dr. S's decision, because either one will be very marketable. I would have taken your word for it, if it hadn't changed over the course of time.
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| May 16, 2011, 11:34 pm
I bet you're the type who doesn't like wikileaks, Ultra. OH THE HUMANITY.
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| May 16, 2011, 11:42 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I bet you're the type who doesn't like wikileaks, Ultra. OH THE HUMANITY.

Me and 3/4 of the world.
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| May 16, 2011, 11:46 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Oh, freedom of speech. That doesn't really matter does it? Not since the Patriot Act it hasn't...

Yeah, and I definitely said I would ban it, right? The statement I made was that I don't LIKE it. I don't like what democrats say, doesn't mean I'd BAN it. In fact, I'm one of the few of the old-school that might not like what someone says, but I'd defend to the death their right to say it.

Unfortunately, I have two strikes against me from the get go. I'm a Christian AND a republican, that's two reasons that most people would just love to silence me for.
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| May 17, 2011, 12:05 am
Well, the Mk. I and the Mk. II weren't in production during the period you are claiming. Tom just said that no HAT-1s were in production during time War. Can you say, done for?
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| May 17, 2011, 12:06 am
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Well, I still have the plans. Thank you for confirming the presence of the MkII plans in your territory at least. I have them, the combat moderator said so. Tom was not that combat moderator, his word doesn't go, he can't overturn it. It matters not what was in production, you aren't going to have much luck getting a combat report overturned. Obviously, a couple of your factories had them there or leftover, the MkII, that is. I infiltrated over 15 of them. Chances are, they were there.
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| May 17, 2011, 12:15 am
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In autocratic China, speech frees you! Frees you from the troubles of thinking too hard, that is.

I for one wish to see my tank's controversy solved.

"...When god wants to wreak havoc on the human race, he hires Awe." -Tom N.
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| May 17, 2011, 12:17 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I for one wish to see my tank's controversy solved.

It is, more or less. Nick has been kind enough to verify the plans where there, and Dr. Spontaneous has told me that I have the plans. Sounds like a wrap to me.
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| May 17, 2011, 12:22 am
Admin Vote, or no plans. That's my order.
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| May 17, 2011, 8:55 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Admin Vote, or no plans. That's my order.


While I promised that I would step out of Admin business for a while, since you demand it...
Without consulting anyone else, my vote is that he has Mk. 1 plans, and not the Mk. II.
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| May 17, 2011, 8:59 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Frees you from the troubles of thinking too hard, that is.


/whipsoutFahrenheit451byRayBradbury

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| May 17, 2011, 2:36 pm
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Funny how my proposal turns into Nick's demands...

Thank you, Matt, looks like some people around here CAN read a CR after all! Well, that's 1/3, let's see what the others say.

Today, in the Western Confederation...

A majestic monument has been finished in downtown Denver. Over 5 stories tall, it is made of Colorado granite and limestone with a marble base. A touching speech was given by the mayor of the capital, along with a senior member of the High Command. This monument will forever stand as a testament to the brutality of the enemies of the Western Republic.

SeaLion has found itself a new type of ship to protect; merchant ships. Pirates are everywhere, and they sometimes use RPGs, that's bad. SeaLion will form a shield for them in addition to our military vessels.
Israel has finished its deployment of the SeaLion system and are testing it.

The need for a mobile ballistic missile launchers has resulted in another use for the M90 Universal Weapons System; the M89 MRBML or M89 "Marble." The design will be released later today, though production will not resume until mid-June. Using a simple lift system with hydraulics, the nature of the M90 system will allow a vehicle to go from tank to Marble in 45 minutes. Also, a greater number of ASULT field repair units will take to the field, about 50 per division to get tanks & vehicles back into the fight faster with repair only a call away.
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| May 17, 2011, 2:37 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Me and 3/4 of the world.


What I'm implying is that you steal top secret information and sell it to the highest bidder. Kind of like Wikileaks, but with cash.
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| May 17, 2011, 3:34 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Funny how my proposal turns into Nick's demands...

Thank you, Matt, looks like some people around here CAN read a CR after all! Well, that's 1/3, let's see what the others say.


I hope that you can read as well, unless I was misreading Nick wasn't even debating the HAT-1, rather the Mk 2. I don't see why you are so happy that I just in invalidated your argument.
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| May 17, 2011, 3:41 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I hope that you can read as well, unless I was misreading Nick wasn't even debating the HAT-1, rather the Mk 2. I don't see why you are so happy that I just in invalidated your argument.

No, Nick's trying to get the whole thing overturned and my very possession of the plans invalidated because "I wasn't producing either the MkI or MkII at the time," so obviously neither of those plans were in any of his factories. Hence why the demand of "Admin vote or no plans."

Hey, I did say that I'd go with what the admins voted, didn't I? Why then should I be mad at the decision? It was MY proposal to begin with, I might add. I might cite the perpetual changing story and the fact that Nick did indeed possess the MkII plans as evidence that it was possible for me to obtain them (despite that they were so well hidden in the super-secret lair of his). Even if he was in the process of retooling the factories, his foremen would have had the plans to start obtaining the right materials.

But, I digress. I will abide with the majority decision.

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

What I'm implying is that you steal top secret information and sell it to the highest bidder. Kind of like Wikileaks, but with cash.

Secret plans are meant to be stolen & sold. Secret info on the other hand, not so much. It's not like I'm trying to make the PCU look bad by publishing clandestine info, Nick was kind enough to publish his atrocities abroad for all to see.
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| May 17, 2011, 4:02 pm
Today in the RAS...

- Production goes on as usual
- The president of Angola has decided that it was High time to apologize to henry, so I invite him to have some tea and discuss building a british embassy here in Angola, These offers are also extended to the Koaxaing, the PCU, and Sponty, and any Euros that forgive me.
- I just beat my 15th sudoku puzzle book!
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| May 17, 2011, 4:26 pm
Privet. I hope thats what language is spoken in Armenia. Besides that, my nation is the South Caucasus Republic. Comprised of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia. Armenia is the Father State, with Georgia being my "Black Sea Satellite State" and Azerbaijan being my "Caspian Sea Satellite State." Because of my little army, every man or woman above the age of 18 has to serve in the SCR Military. There are two sectors of my army, the Defense Force (SCR DF), and the International Forces (Armenian INF).

I intend to advance trade with many other nations, especially with my ka-ching, oil. If you don't know already, the Caucasus Region has many valuable rocks and minerals, in addition to oil.

To kick off this new faction, I first like permission for my merchant ships to be able to sail through the Dardenelles.
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| May 17, 2011, 4:33 pm
Quoting Thomas N
/whips out flamethrower to destroy illegal book

/whipsoutmechanicalhoundtofinishoffbookowner

What a great book.
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| May 17, 2011, 4:38 pm
Quoting Luke M.
Privet. I hope thats what language is spoken in Armenia. Besides that, my nation is the South Caucasus Republic. Comprised of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia. Armenia is the Father State, with Georgia being my "Black Sea Satellite State" and Azerbaijan being my "Caspian Sea Satellite State." Because of my little army, every man or woman above the age of 18 has to serve in the SCR Military. There are two sectors of my army, the Defense Force (SCR DF), and the International Forces (Armenian INF).

I intend to advance trade with many other nations, especially with my ka-ching, oil. If you don't know already, the Caucasus Region has many valuable rocks and minerals, in addition to oil.

To kick off this new faction, I first like permission for my merchant ships to be able to sail through the Dardenelles.

Welcome to the world of frustration and anger known as diplomats and legions! I would like to go ahead and discuss an alliance, and some trade, Maybe oil in exchange for military support?
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| May 17, 2011, 4:46 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Welcome to the world of frustration and anger known as diplomats and legions! I would like to go ahead and discuss an alliance, and some trade, Maybe oil in exchange for military support?

Sounds Good, ma pal. But I need to get set up first with government etc., which may take some time. I will begin trade probably in the next day or so.
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| May 17, 2011, 4:51 pm
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Quoting Luke M.


Northern Europe greets you to this world. We are highly interested in some form of trade agreement as well, and we are interested in developing ties with your nation.
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| May 17, 2011, 5:11 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Northern Europe greets you to this world. We are highly interested in some form of trade agreement as well, and we are interested in developing ties with your nation.


I'm not sure if you noticed, but I invited you to tea and asked for permission to build an embassy.


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| May 17, 2011, 5:15 pm
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Quoting luke peterson

I'm not sure if you noticed, but I invited you to tea and asked for permission to build an embassy.



I did miss that, build away, and I would like to set up an embassy near you as well.
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| May 17, 2011, 5:21 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I did miss that, build away, and I would like to set up an embassy near you as well.

Great, and will you be coming to tea?
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| May 17, 2011, 5:26 pm
Quoting Thomas N
Quoting New Luke

Welcome, as the another representative of Europe, I too would like to welcome you.

Quoting Old Luke

We'll accept your invitation, After all, if you're not going to try and annex half of Africa again, I have no further quarrel with you.

I'd also like permission to build an embassy. Right next door to our Scandinavian friends should work.

You have my permission.

Old luke.... Gotta think of a cool nickname
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| May 17, 2011, 5:34 pm
Quoting luke peterson

Apology accepted

We would also like to join embassy row.
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| May 17, 2011, 5:43 pm
Quoting henry wang
Apology accepted

We would also like to join embassy row.

Thankyou so much! Will you come to tea?
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| May 17, 2011, 5:44 pm
Today, the CU military research group tasked with the development of the Modular Combat Uniform presented the final version of the uniform before Congress, and demonstrated its efficiency, effectiveness, modularity, and versatility. Congress was very pleased with the new uniform, and promptly granted the military $100,000,000 to outfit its ranks. Of this, about $15,000,000 will be spent importing American equipment (though most of the uniform will be produced domestically within the Caribbean Union). The uniform will come in 2 versions, desert and foliage, and specialty alpine/winter and night (infrared) variants produced on a smaller scale. These uniforms will be packaged in single person kits, which we hope to start shipping out by the end of the week, at a price point of about $800/soldier (including weapon). Several thousand extra specialty kits will be kept in storage; however some Combat Brigades may be issued certain gear versions from the get-go. Also, the new communications equipment being purchased from the Western Confederation is going to be reprogrammed for use with the BattleCom Integrated Defense Network.
The camouflage pattern I’m using, FYI, is basically a digital tiger-stripe, with MARPAT colors.

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| May 17, 2011, 5:53 pm
/two more votes remaining.
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| May 17, 2011, 5:55 pm
Quoting luke peterson

El Presidente feels very left out, and will be throwing his own tea party with some of his special int-err I mean he is hosting a charity fundraiser for the blind and deaf puppies in Cuba. Also, we welcome you to build an embassy in Havana, and would like to set up shop in your nation as well.
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| May 17, 2011, 5:59 pm
Thanks to all for the warm welcomes. Because of my small military, I would to do a lot of trade with other nations for vehicles and other weapons. Tomorrow we will open up trade with other nations, as today will be organization for the country.
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| May 17, 2011, 6:00 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Quoting luke peterson

El Presidente feels very left out, and will be throwing his own tea party with some of his special int-err I mean he is hosting a charity fundraiser for the blind and deaf puppies in Cuba. Also, we welcome you to build an embassy in Havana, and would like to set up shop in your nation as well.

Sorry I forgot you, but I would love to increase relations with you. So You have permission to build an embassy, as I will build one too.
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| May 17, 2011, 6:16 pm
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In the Middle Kingdom today:
-We keep it real, by real we mean rich!

That is all. No suspicious activities were completed in the Western reaches.
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| May 17, 2011, 7:05 pm
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Today, 1.5...

A rather large arms deal has been closed with the CDC for a rather large amount of weaponry that we no longer used. The boat is being loaded up now, the rest of the shipment should be complete soon.
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| May 17, 2011, 7:33 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
In the Middle Kingdom today:
-We keep it real, by real we mean rich!

That is all. No suspicious activities were completed in the Western reaches.

I invited you to tea, and asked permission to build an Angolan emabssy in Koaxaing

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| May 17, 2011, 8:41 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Cool Hand Luke?

I'll accept it if you tell me why on earth you would call me that.

I also forgot to invite you to tea, sorry. I also ask permission to build an Angolan embassy in your lands.
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| May 17, 2011, 8:43 pm
Quoting Luke M.
Thanks to all for the warm welcomes. Because of my small military, I would to do a lot of trade with other nations for vehicles and other weapons. Tomorrow we will open up trade with other nations, as today will be organization for the country.

Actually according to Wkipedia, my nation has a decent sized military with all three nations combined. But sadly, it's a lot of Soviet junk. Unreliable. And the Airforce is puny. I am probably going to build a multi-purpose drone for firepower and recon, and have comprise our Airforce. So, the drone will come into production soon, after the government is set up, economy is stabilized, international relations begin, and I get some pictures.
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| May 17, 2011, 8:59 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
I invited you to tea, and asked permission to build an Angolan emabssy in Koaxaing


Tea accepted. We have much tea here... Your embassy is accepted too. Put in Beijing with the rest.
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| May 17, 2011, 8:59 pm
The Kingdom of Egypt welcomes our newest member with much joy.

The Islamic Defense Union, an alliance of Muslim-majority nations founded to defend the Muslim faithful across the world, led by Egypt, also welcomes you. As of right now I have no clue what the standpoint of relgion is in your region, but if it's majority Islam by some chance, we would invite you to join us. Be warned though, we're attracting a lot of suspicious glances. :P

In any case, Egypt and the IDU (almost finished organizing unified trade between member nations! :D) would love to do business/trade with you. We can certainly teach you how to upgrade your old "unreliable" Soviet-made machines into great beasts of war like our previously-junky vehicles.
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| May 17, 2011, 9:14 pm
Quoting Luke M.
Actually according to Wkipedia, my nation has a decent sized military with all three nations combined. But sadly, it's a lot of Soviet junk. Unreliable. And the Airforce is puny. I am probably going to build a multi-purpose drone for firepower and recon, and have comprise our Airforce. So, the drone will come into production soon, after the government is set up, economy is stabilized, international relations begin, and I get some pictures.

I have an all purpose aircraft that could help you, It's called the DH-11

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mango_train/5509911691/in/pool-1663163@N20/
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| May 17, 2011, 9:33 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Several more fully mechanized factories have been completed. 75% of existing factories have been brought up to this level. 10 of these factories have been split up between Guatemala and Belize for their more socialistic job provision initiatives. Though disagreeing politically for short-term gain, long-term loss of such programs, the High Command isn't in any position to request a change because of the sovereignty of those countries. These are defense-specific factories, and there aren't very many of them in the Republic now that most of the others have been sold to civilian companies. Of course, locations and exact numbers are classified, but "I have them, and that's all you need to know." I wonder where I've heard that before?

For the first time in months, civilian cars & trucks are once again coming from the factories of the Republic. This is an encouraging sign for the nation showing that not only has stability returned, but so has safety. Before, as individual states, the members of the WR didn't have the raw materials necessary to produce these things. Now, with textiles pouring off the lines, raw materials pouring in from all over under the recent and quite comprehensive resource mobilization, and more manpower than ever, things are beginning to look up for the Republic. Because of the massive amounts of gold pouring in, a new use for this now-abundant material has sprung up in the form of electrical wires. Possessing many times the conductivity of copper, computers will now run faster, radios will have longer ranges, and power facilities will be many times more efficient.

The large deposits of uranium in Texas continue to turn up as much rich uranium as it does depleted. With as much of this substance as is coming available, investors are looking at uses for this material as well. The High Command has been delighted because that's that much more ammo for the A-11, but they're also thinking of other things as well...

The 150 light tanks were delivered to the African nations (minus the Iron Fist and accompanying components, just in case someone decided to get funny) and collected the $120 million. The oil & coal shipments reached Chile as well, and all ships are headed back home for either more (for Chile) or a rest until they're called on again.
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| May 18, 2011, 6:22 pm
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Because Nick requested a vote from all of the Admins on the subject of the HAT plans, Evan [confirmed via AIM] and I'll go ahead and give Nick the benefit of the doubt and say Ultra only stole the plans for the Mk.I. Although it shouldn't be too hard to fling about an extra amount of x-material with y- and z-material to simulate the Mk.II's armor differentiation.


Onto Union State business, our borders with the Caucasus region have seen an increased amount of security personnel and equipment over the course of the past 48 hours. Because of drawn-out ethnographic tensions in the region, the Union State presently fears that the new united government is being founded on sketchy grounds. The earlier detail of Russian security forces being sent into the region to subdue the hostilities in the Nagorno-Karabakh area has been negated. Instead, said security capital shall be re-addressed for training in hot, sandy, and hostile environs.

We will also deny the ability for Angola to build an embassy in our territory and for us to build one there. Although we would enjoy an increase of diplomacy between our respective nations, the Russian people can't help but to regard Angola as a terrorist state. Regardless of the apology to Britain, S. Africa, and whomever else, bombing of civilians is a big no-no in the Union State even if we aren't the victims of said action. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Onto happier news, October seventh has been deemed a national holiday in honor of Vladimir Putin. Because of his great achievements as former President of the Russian Federation, legislation has been passed proclaiming him as a national hero. Never in Union State history has such a sexy [meaning that in the admiring sense, mind you lot] executive existed.

Also, more funding has been put into OLED technology. Although we presently have proficient carbon-film markets serving both private and public markets, we would like to further advance organic display technology to fit more military roles. This would of course cut weight from electronics down drastically, giving us an edge on size efficiency. Plus, we could pack more punch in smart munitions by further shrinking the guidance package. We look forward to the results.

Other military programs have unfortunately hit a snag; at least those dealing with vehicular designs. Several scandals involving our treasury have sparked up; an open door for the Federal Assembly to freeze government spending for a thirty-day period. The present executive office highly doubts the media-fabricated tales are true in regards to our money-handlers, but proper trial and investigation must be had in order to ensure national security. Hopefully the whole ordeal will blow over so expensive, long-term investments can continue.
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| May 18, 2011, 6:58 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
We will also deny the ability for Angola to build an embassy in our territory and for us to build one there. Although we would enjoy an increase of diplomacy between our respective nations, the Russian people can't help but to regard Angola as a terrorist state. Regardless of the apology to Britain, S. Africa, and whomever else, bombing of civilians is a big no-no in the Union State even if we aren't the victims of said action. We apologize for the inconvenience.


I understand, I hope you will change your mind in the future.
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| May 18, 2011, 7:07 pm
In the SC...

We are proud to announce that after a long debate, Congress has passed the Emergency Armament Bill. Giving the High Command control of the Confederation and its territories during times of war, and the "Armament" part of the bill gives the SCHC the say to take our machines of war out of storage and what to produce where. The Neutrality Bill is also milling around Congress and the congressmembers are split 50/50.

Final developments on the X-Weapon has concluding and it has been revealed to be the AT-7 "Arrow" Lightweight ATGM unit, a mixture of the best qualities of the RPG, Javelin, and AT-4. Although testing is done it will be on hold until the economic recovery period is finished.

Speaking of recovery, the crews on the Panama Canal have announced that they will be reaching the Atlantic side of Gatϊn Lake by Friday and hope for the whole canal to be up and running by the 23rd. Also another sign of recovery, is that many companies throughout the Confederacy have began to produce their original goods, instead of tanks and munitions.

Drills continue for everyone, including well, everyone.

Our Mexican sector has finally been rebuilt, thanks to the International aid from the Baltics and Scandanavians. Speaking of Mexico, the first Governer, Jose Ramirez, has been sworn into office and the Mexican people will elect congressmembers within the end of next week. Also, a big red line has been painted on our side of the DMZ.
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| May 18, 2011, 7:21 pm
PCU Update:

After a resounding victory in the (Apostolic Palace) Administrative Vote, the PCU has sent a memo to all factory bosses to not put plans in easy to reach places.

In Civilian News, thirty C-130s have been built to replace some of the 747s shot down during the war for trespassing. These civilian craft will begin transporting civilians out of PCU airspace and into destinations such as China, Egypt, Spain, ACU, and the EC. 150 MVT-1s have been ordered by Aerojump Incorporated, a skydiving business that has ventures across Axis lands and NPCs. They will be used to transport their CEO and Chairmen of the Board across the lands to their other ventures, as well as drop skydivers and deliver mountain climbers to their base camps.

Senegal:

The SNS Benjie, a Guided-Missile Cruiser, was sunk today by Revolutionary Forces off the coast of Senegal. The HGS Peleliu has been sent to the area to quell any more attacks on the Senegalese Navy.
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| May 18, 2011, 7:33 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Because Nick requested a vote from all of the Admins on the subject of the HAT plans, Evan [confirmed via AIM] and I'll go ahead and give Nick the benefit of the doubt and say Ultra only stole the plans for the Mk.I. Although it shouldn't be too hard to fling about an extra amount of x-material with y- and z-material to simulate the Mk.II's armor differentiation.

For the record, it was my suggestion, and thank you.

Quoting Nick Shelton
In Civilian News, thirty C-130s have been built to replace some of the 747s shot down during the war for trespassing. These civilian craft will begin transporting civilians out of PCU airspace and into destinations such as China, Egypt, Spain, ACU, and the EC. 150 MVT-1s have been ordered by Aerojump Incorporated, a skydiving business that has ventures across Axis lands and NPCs. They will be used to transport their CEO and Chairmen of the Board across the lands to their other ventures, as well as drop skydivers and deliver mountain climbers to their base camps.


Is that allowed? It is a military plane, you know...


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| May 18, 2011, 7:43 pm
There going to civilians though, so it's fine.
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| May 18, 2011, 7:48 pm
Quoting Thomas N
But C-130s are so much smaller and inferior to 747s...

Oh really? Then make that 15 747s....

EDIT: I meant 727s. So I'll keep the C-130s.
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| May 18, 2011, 8:03 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
PCU Update:

After a resounding victory in the (Apostolic Palace) Administrative Vote, the PCU has sent a memo to all factory bosses to not put plans in easy to reach places.

In Civilian News, thirty C-130s have been built to replace some of the 747s shot down during the war for trespassing. These civilian craft will begin transporting civilians out of PCU airspace and into destinations such as China, Egypt, Spain, ACU, and the EC. 150 MVT-1s have been ordered by Aerojump Incorporated, a skydiving business that has ventures across Axis lands and NPCs. They will be used to transport their CEO and Chairmen of the Board across the lands to their other ventures, as well as drop skydivers and deliver mountain climbers to their base camps.

Senegal:

The SNS Benjie, a Guided-Missile Cruiser, was sunk today by Revolutionary Forces off the coast of Senegal. The HGS Peleliu has been sent to the area to quell any more attacks on the Senegalese Navy.

I invited you to tea, and asked permission to build and embassy in the PCU.
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| May 18, 2011, 8:13 pm
The RAS has just developed a new MBT

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/269758

Production and distribution will start now.
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| May 18, 2011, 8:16 pm
The game Portal 2 has received an endorsement, as Governor Shelton remembered how he beat that game 26 years before.

The UAF, again, lodges an offer for our planes and vehicles to their nation.
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| May 18, 2011, 10:22 pm
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Material orders have failed to be delivered on time, so our ETA for completion of the first batch of Sparvs has been pushed back. The military is beginning study of a restructuring in order to standardize the military units, which are still relatively isolated and remain structured after the original countries armed forces.

Also, the military recruitment is being speaheaded by a campaign of ads based on this commercial from nearly 3 decades ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGu0ITcoF6c
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| May 18, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
These civilian craft will begin transporting civilians out of PCU airspace and into destinations such as China, Egypt, Spain, ACU, and the EC.

And the reason your civilians would want to exodus en masse is? Western Republic airspace is closed, still, for all PCU flights.

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| May 18, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
And the reason your civilians would want to exodus en masse is? Western Republic airspace is closed, still, for all PCU flights.


Luckily for Nick, Mexico is still ACU controlled, for the most part, and the Pacific Ocean is free sky where your islands aren't involved.

Oh, and as for the exodus, they ain't blind. They know you're coming back to finish the job in a month and a half.
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| May 18, 2011, 11:09 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
And the reason your civilians would want to exodus en masse is? Western Republic airspace is closed, still, for all PCU flights.

They'll be coming back, these are just commercial flights. And closing airspace after a war is so highly immature. I can't fight for another six weeks or so, what's the point?
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| May 18, 2011, 11:15 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Luckily for Nick, Mexico is still ACU controlled, for the most part, and the Pacific Ocean is free sky where your islands aren't involved.

Mexico might be, but he can't get to Mexico without crossing my airspace, considering I own a good portion of south-eastern Cali, and everything east of the mountains. Have a look-see: http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/4921/diplomacylegionsbam.png. The only place on that map not accurate is where you and I were concerned.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Oh, and as for the exodus, they ain't blind. They know you're coming back to finish the job in a month and a half.

Hey, if I wanted it that badly, I'd have finished the job without agreeing to a cease-fire. That was purely for Nick's benefit for his continued existence, because we had some very nasty stuff up our sleeves. Though it's immaterial now.

It is, however, now him that is threatening me with oblivion that I'd be very surprised if more than 10% of his plans were achieved. Unless he attacks me, I'm not planning to attack him.

Quoting Nick Shelton
They'll be coming back, these are just commercial flights. And closing airspace after a war is so highly immature. I can't fight for another six weeks or so, what's the point?

Paranoia. You're already breaking the treaty by not having gotten rid of the Egyptians as agreed, the only thing stopping you from attacking is because you'd get kicked out of the group again. I'm not going to have you say "I putz teh spais in his turritery when i did thiz!" No thank you.

Oh, and you're effectively committing economic suicide, you know.
-Who's going to pay your taxes?
-Who's going to harvest your crops?
-Who's going to buy products on the market?
-Who's going to participate in you life-giving government sponsored gambling?
-Who's going to work in your factories?
If you save back JUST enough people to do that, you still won't have enough to fuel what's left of your economy once they're gone.

Also, you're taking away the one reason everyone gave you for having better troop morale, that their homes were being invaded. Now their homes are in Egypt, EC, ACU, China, and other places, why would they fight for an empty land?

I never figured you'd just self-destruct all on your own, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted all those men and material taking you down the hard way if you were just going to turn around and commit suicide like this. Oui.
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| May 19, 2011, 1:18 am
Wait, didn't Nick say this wasn't an exodus, rather just some commercial flights... like family trips and stuff?
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| May 19, 2011, 5:01 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Wait, didn't Nick say this wasn't an exodus, rather just some commercial flights... like family trips and stuff?

Indeed. People must not believe that people can't do business outside of their office.

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| May 19, 2011, 5:36 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Air force cooperation training began today between Guatemalan and WRAF pilots. In order to conserve munitions, standard weight reusable rubber bombs were used in the low-level bombing runs. This was to bring up the ANG units to national readiness levels. 160 OV-11s, AH-10s, and MiG-60s did a lot of combined strafing and bombing runs practicing extremely close air support, army cooperation, and night attacks. Night training was somewhat more difficult because the pilots of the OV-11s have to wear NODs without the benefit of advanced avionics. It was generally successful, but showed the need for more training. One accident did occur, but wasn't fatal thankfully, though it did cost us two 11s. Desert training is commencing in the deserts of Nevada, Arizona, and Death Valley, CA.

Forestry initiatives are going into place in the former PCU areas to provide temporary jobs for the former citizens of that nation. In Idaho, where the entire state was captured in a single day without much time for civilians to get out, the citizenry has returned to the former PCU factories, awaiting production orders for civilian things. Permanent solutions are going into effect in the form of newly opened mining in WR Washington and Oregon, overseeing the mining, heavy machinery manufacturing, and pretty much any other type of job to fit the demographics of the population.

Speaking of production, heavy mining and farm machinery have hit all-time highs with the recent mining and crop boom throughout the nation combined with the decline of any pre-Republic machinery from age of manufacture. Car manufacturing continues.

Elections are drawing closer.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Indeed. People must not believe that people can't do business outside of their office.

Well, in all fairness, it was Awe that substantiated the exodus thing. So it's not like I was drawing on straws exactly...And it's not like you haven't tried to do it in the past.
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| May 19, 2011, 5:42 pm
In the long lost land of the Eastern Confederation the government is scrambling to find out anything about he current world situation, and after seemingly dropping off the face of the earth the entire EC government has decided to go back to work while the military waits out the post-war restrictions. (Am I done yet?)

In all seriousness the newly acquired states have been fully integrated and are gearing up for elections. War time strategies are still being kept secret and there is a rumor that certain factories will soon be refitted for new products. If anyone could me in on the current issues and new members that would be appreciated.
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| May 19, 2011, 5:49 pm
In PCU news, three factories have opened up, and are actively hiring workers.

In Senegal, Guinean Resistance is being beat back to the ocean, where something big is about to happen.
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| May 19, 2011, 5:56 pm
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Quoting Will G.
In all seriousness the newly acquired states have been fully integrated and are gearing up for elections. War time strategies are still being kept secret and there is a rumor that certain factories will soon be refitted for new products. If anyone could me in on the current issues and new members that would be appreciated.

-Cliffe's gone loco and created an Islamic Defense Union that half the world is seriously worried about.
-Israel is now protected jointly by myself and Russia.
-I'm undergoing a government change from militaristic governance to full-scale republican governance with a senate, congress, constitution and all that good stuff.
-PCU is breathing slaughter against me, like that's not usual.
-Your prohibition ends Monday.
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| May 19, 2011, 6:04 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, in all fairness, it was Awe that substantiated the exodus thing. So it's not like I was drawing on straws exactly...And it's not like you haven't tried to do it in the past.


Ah, my bad. Since it's happened before, I assumed it was happening again. Guess normal travel is back online.

In China:
-The Imperial court had quite the adventuresome day pretending to be normal folk and taking to the streets of the capital. Buses are fascinating things.
-Research of new things goes on, along with production of more planes and other such equipment. Tank production is still on hold for the moment.
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| May 19, 2011, 6:05 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
The Idaho CM remembers nothing of this...

Could you quote my CR? I am most certain I wouldn't have let you run that far into state lines in such little time...

Ask, and you will receive.
"A reinforced WC Army Group North, operating still out of their original positions since the cease-fire, Blitzkrieged into Washington from the Idaho border, catching PCU positions by surprise, they drove 20 miles before the advance could be slowed with support from the west."
I was quite pleased considering I started from only the easternmost 6 counties, capturing an entire state plus 20 miles of Washington soil! 'Tis the most significant territory gain in the war! Actually, I think it's historic for square mileage captured in a single day. Yay! I set a record!!!
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| May 19, 2011, 7:58 pm
IDU Time!

Egypt and Libya have begun producing vehicles for a third party that will not be named. We will also produce some for ourselves.

New factories are springing up in new industrial parks in Afghanistan. More rural folks are migrating to the cities for jobs.

Same is happening in our African member states. There, production of many Egyptian and Libyan things, including heavy military vehicles and munitions, are being outsourced there to provide things to make.

Pakistan has announced they are wishing to re-establish the once very close relationship they had with China. They would like to secure some vehicle trading deals. They want to know what fighters and tanks China has in stock right now and what they're willing to sell/trade.
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| May 19, 2011, 8:56 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Ah. I see...

Look at a map of Idaho. I envisioned your troops crossing that little stretch between Montana and Washington (you know, that tiny little part where no one lives?), well, you did that, but, notice I never said anything about you reaching Oregon?

That's because it took many more days for you to cross the wide part of Idaho (the southern part), to get to Oregon.

So, yes, the narrow part of Idaho (north, next to Washington) fell to you pretty quick, but the wide part (south, next to Oregon) would have taken much more time. Especially since I don't recall you reaching Oregon until several CRs hence.

Eh, oh well. Those civilians would have come back anyway once they figured out I wasn't very bad, giving them the vote and all no questions asked. After all, this is where their homes are and the imminent commandant of the PCU said for them to do so if they wished. Only in countries like Germany where the Russians oppressed them just as badly as the Nazis did didn't they return.
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| May 19, 2011, 9:02 pm
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Much like Egypt, our produced equipment for a still-unnamed buyer is nearing its long, 6 week completion. The two carriers that were mysteriously laid down 5 weeks ago are now nearly ready, with the final touches being put in and early trials being done. A few of our F18s have been dusted off from storage, arrester hooks have been fitted, and they are beginning touch and go trials, with full landings/ catapult assisted takeoffs to begin Saturday, for a final delivery date next Tuesday. Once delivered, the yards will be occupied with our first batch of Type-4 Subs ordered in a long while.


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| May 19, 2011, 10:01 pm
News in the Caucasus-
Our first aircraft carrier is midway through production, and will be stationed in the Black Sea. Hopefully, if it is possible for another carrier, that will be stationed in the Caspian Sea.

Also, we would like to make better relations with the Russian Federation.
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| May 20, 2011, 11:49 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Pakistan has announced they are wishing to re-establish the once very close relationship they had with China. They would like to secure some vehicle trading deals. They want to know what fighters and tanks China has in stock right now and what they're willing to sell/trade.


Sounds good to us. We've got all sorts of things in stock right now.
Available tanks:
-Type 99
-MT-1
-slightly toned-down MT-4

Available planes:
-IF-2
-IF-3
-J-10
-H-6

Quoting Evan Melick
Came down with allergies last Friday. By around this Tuesday it started to get rediculous. Went to the Docs yesterday, got tested for Strep Throat, as well as a blood test. Negative on the first, still waiting on the second. Could be mono. That would stinkers, to say the least, with prom on saturday.


Allergies? I know that feel, bro. But mono... That needs contact to spread... And that means Evan isn't a forever alone like most of us here! (well, at least Nick and I)
/gasp
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| May 20, 2011, 1:32 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Oyo, don't mean to start out as the grumbling admin already, but I'm assuming you mean the Whale class carrier you have on your MOCpage? Just letting you know, since you say its' a super carrier, it's going to take around 7 weeks to produce and commission a vessel of that size. Also, being as you only control the Caucasian region, you really don't have the economic capacity to produce that huge of a vessel. As far as I know, the only countries to operate full sized super carriers are the ex-US nations who inherited them. Sorry if I'm coming off as the fun-killing admin, but just wanted to let ye know.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Chinese_aircraft_carrier

I got one of these, and do plan on acquiring a few more carriers. But, that'll be some time away.
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| May 20, 2011, 4:06 pm
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I have just been informed by Tom that his computer has died and he will not be active very much, if at all for several weeks until he gets a new one. In the meantime, I will make sure nothing happens to his nation.
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| May 20, 2011, 4:30 pm
A recent sweep of the Land was completed yesterday, with several key components to our Armed Forces.

Shipments are rolling in/rolling out every day.

Senegal is being unruly, but we have that under control.
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| May 20, 2011, 5:25 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Sounds good to us. We've got all sorts of things in stock right now.
Available tanks:
-Type 99
-MT-1
-slightly toned-down MT-4

Available planes:
-IF-2
-IF-3
-J-10
-H-6

Quoting Evan Melick
Came down with allergies last Friday. By around this Tuesday it started to get rediculous. Went to the Docs yesterday, got tested for Strep Throat, as well as a blood test. Negative on the first, still waiting on the second. Could be mono. That would stinkers, to say the least, with prom on saturday.


Allergies? I know that feel, bro. But mono... That needs contact to spread... And that means Evan isn't a forever alone like most of us here! (well, at least Nick and I)
/gasp

Pakistan would like to place an order for 30 more J-10s, uprgraded to modern standards if possible, and 20 IF-3s. As for tanks, they would like as many Type 99KMs as you're willing to offer.

The IDU as a whole would also like to acquire as many MT-series variants (such as AA, jamming, that kind of thing) as possible, as it is essential to our newly formulated armored combat doctrine.
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| May 20, 2011, 7:26 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Elections were held today for the Presidency, Senate, and House. Same as before, when a person voted, their fingers were dipped in long-lasting ink (1-2 days). Next election we should have the record-keeping skills to just check IDs, but with upwards of 5 million new citizens in just two weeks, records are a bit scarce right now. Not surprisingly, the more conservative candidate was elected amidst the recent leftist scandal. Though some leftists attempted to turn in back and say it was an elaborate plot by the High Command to ensure the conservative choice was picked, few pay their position much heed. They won't be sworn in until next week, however. The High Command has drafted several proposals and recommendations for the incoming government to consider. Among them a rather STRONG recommendation and brief explaining what is going on in the background based on most current intelligence.

Things keep on going with production & stuff, all civilian.
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| May 20, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Pakistan would like to place an order for 30 more J-10s, uprgraded to modern standards if possible, and 20 IF-3s. As for tanks, they would like as many Type 99KMs as you're willing to offer.

The IDU as a whole would also like to acquire as many MT-series variants (such as AA, jamming, that kind of thing) as possible, as it is essential to our newly formulated armored combat doctrine.


30 refitted J-10s, about 50 Type 99s (I can make more), sounds good. They'll arrive in, let's say two weeks. Of course, there's payment to be considered, but I'm sure we can come to an agreement.

Sounds like the IDU is interested in the MT-1. We've got all kinds of variants for that, from AA, to artillery, to jamming, to transport.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Though some leftists attempted to turn in back and say it was an elaborate plot by the High Command to ensure the conservative choice was picked, few pay their position much heed.


Liberals, you can never trust them. You should try declaring yourself king, then you never have to deal with leftists again!
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| May 20, 2011, 9:13 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Oyo, don't mean to start out as the grumbling admin already, but I'm assuming you mean the Whale class carrier you have on your MOCpage? Just letting you know, since you say its' a super carrier, it's going to take around 7 weeks to produce and commission a vessel of that size. Also, being as you only control the Caucasian region, you really don't have the economic capacity to produce that huge of a vessel. As far as I know, the only countries to operate full sized super carriers are the ex-US nations who inherited them. Sorry if I'm coming off as the fun-killing admin, but just wanted to let ye know.

Durngummit. How about one regular carrier, not Super?
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| May 20, 2011, 10:01 pm
Man, this liberal situation is like when the Federalists got destroyed after the War of 1812.
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| May 20, 2011, 10:03 pm
The HGS Nimitz and her Carrier Group have been moved from San Diego to Astoria.

The Blackfish has undergone testing, but nothing great was gleaned from it. Nevertheless, UNDEAD demands five copies be made with materials similar to appearance in function, and they shall be christened the WHITEFISH.
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| May 21, 2011, 12:53 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

30 refitted J-10s, about 50 Type 99s (I can make more), sounds good. They'll arrive in, let's say two weeks. Of course, there's payment to be considered, but I'm sure we can come to an agreement.

Sounds like the IDU is interested in the MT-1. We've got all kinds of variants for that, from AA, to artillery, to jamming, to transport.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Though some leftists attempted to turn in back and say it was an elaborate plot by the High Command to ensure the conservative choice was picked, few pay their position much heed.


Liberals, you can never trust them. You should try declaring yourself king, then you never have to deal with leftists again!

You know, If you don't sell all your AA variants I'll buy some
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| May 21, 2011, 7:03 am
Quoting Evan Melick
More news from south-eastern Europe:

The aforementioned meeting between the member nations of the Southeast European Cooperation Process concluded today, after three days of talks in Ankara. As expected, topics discussed at this emergency meeting were fairly narrow in scope, mostly in response to the recent spout of Russian diplomatic aggression, especially in the Ukraine. First and foremost, the partner nations in SEECP will continue to cooperate fully in the military alliance, with both the governments of Romania and the Republic of Turkey reaffirming their continuing will to finish acquiring and commissioning their orders of M6A1 main battle tanks. With our friends and allies both somewhat more diretly geographically threatened by our...neighbor to the north, we see why thy would chose to do so.

Also, during the conference, the Ukrainian ambassador to Turkey (who was present as an observing guest) officially lobbied for admission into the Cooperation Process as a full member. Although a full vote will be needed, and will probably be a while before being completed, this request was viewed with general approval (although our two most western friends, Slovenia and Croatia feeling that admitting the Ukraine would needlessly antagonize Russia, dissented somewhat). More news on this later.

Before the conference was adjourned however, an official statement has been made by the Council heavily condemning the blatant Russian violation of Ukraine's sovereignty, along with the stepping up of the continuing consolidation, organization, and equipment of SEECP member nation militaries, so as to provide an efficient armed force if needed, such as the ending phases of the above-mentioned Jackson MBT contract, along with upgrading current equipment in service, and sponsoring domestic production of first rate Byzantine-designed equipment inside Romania, Turkey, and the Ukraine. All three nations are especially interested in the M32 Legionnaire IFV and its' variants, and the versatility it will provide.

Moving on from the diplomatic news, we move into an area more-so marked by military action. As Byzantine troops in Syria continue to push towards the capital and the Iraqi/Jordanian border, things are beginning to look up. The Syrians, although of somewhat high morale and organization, are still low on the training and equipment side of things. Draft-armies to not efficient fighting forces make, and 1990's era equipment is just blatantly old. Things continue at a good pace, although news has filtered back to the General Staff about in-field commanders' frusteration at the delays in getting the M32 IFV's that have been produced so far into service. We're working on it. >.>

However, going back to the SEECP conference, Ankara has showed its' willingness to cooperate with Byzantine forces in eliminating the Syrians. Although the northern territory closest to the Turkish border is already in friendly hands (a very large group of technical-armed, fairly well organized pro-liberal democracy partisans has sprung up in both Lebanon and Syria, helping greatly in the near-total pacification and consolidation of the former), so the division of Turkish Army soldiers that has been put under the command of the General Staff will head south towards Damascus with all haste.

Moving back quickly to the field of diplomacy, it has also come to our attention through a closed-door session with the Turkish ambassadorial team in Constantinople that frankly, the entire nation has been paralyzed with fear over the recent Russian aggression. Ankara has expressed their willingness to discuss current steps to increase economic, political, and most importantly (right now) military integration and cooperation with the Federation. Naturally, as good neighbors, we have greeted them in kind, and eagerly begin work on organizing this project. More news later.

And for something kinda different (if anyone is still reading this obnoxious wall of text [xD], mention "purple" in yer next post eh?), the Ministry of Defence has issued the following industrial reports for this period. All former Serbian gear (212 M-84AS MBT's & 517 BVP M-80A IFV's) have been replaced with top-of-the-line M6A1 Jackson MBT's and Leonidas-3 (heavily upgraded version of the modern Leonidas-2 FYI) respectively in active service, with the ex-Serbian gear being plopped into storage. All 93 M48A5 MOLF MBT's have been scrapped, along with 127 of the stored Leopard 1A5/GR MBT's. All Leopard 2A6-HEL's in service with the Army Reserve are finishing up the process of re-modernization, with upgrades such as a new, more modern diesel-electric engine, an increased sensory and communications package, and an improvement to armour and crew survivability.

Well, thanks for reading that wall of text, but I haven't had a nation update in like two weeks so...woopsies. Cheers kids.

What's up with this russian aggression?

Purple
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| May 21, 2011, 1:08 pm
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In the Middle Kingdom:

With the Needless War over for the moment, and the economy more or less recovered, the Emperor's eye has turned Westwards. While the nation was distracted by the Three Confederacies, it seems we've missed recent developments in East Europe. A quick look back and a glance to the map show a very active and increasing aggressive Russia. This is worrisome.

Due the continuing tensions in the East of Europe, the Kaoxiang government prefers backing the actions of purple rather than grey here, so to speak. But that's Europe, a remote place to the Empire. However, if it can happen there, it can happen over here in Asia. Therefore, it is formally announced that we are seeking... closer relations with our Mongolian neighbors to the North. Quite closer, though if it will be the stroke of a pen closer or the impact of a bullet closer is another story. Stay tuned for updates.

In local matters, the tank lines have been turned back on, though it's the older MT-1 and Type-99 factories than for our newer vehicles.
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| May 21, 2011, 1:30 pm
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Quoting luke peterson
What's up with this russian aggression?


More like overblown Byzantine claims. You shouldn't believe a word of his propaganda.

Also, please don't quote entire posts if you have only one thing to say. It fills the ICF rather quickly.
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| May 21, 2011, 2:19 pm
Those Euros sure do love themselves a good war, eh Chap? >.>
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| May 21, 2011, 4:54 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Those Euros sure do love themselves a good war, eh Chap? >.>


We enjoy wars that we have planned from the start of the group, yes.
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| May 21, 2011, 5:14 pm
With the threat of war in Europe imminent, El Presidente, backed by Congress, demanded a halt to all Russian aggression, and warns that the Union will indeed respond militarily to any Russian on Greek soil. As the people of Carribean certainly are not prepared to deal with another lengthy war, El Presidente stressed that Byzantine will not stand alone. Just in time, the CU Armed Forces have speedily finished their reorganisation into Brigade-sized units, and are awaiting shipments of newly developed equipment, namely:
-the M192 Multipurpose Tracked Vehicle (and variants)
-M192 122mm SP Howitzer
-M192 155mm SP Howitzer
-the M3 105mm Howitzer
-the M86 155mm Howitzer (and a self-propelled variant based on the M192 Chassis)
-the M23 General Purpose Guided Missile Launcher
-the SAM-175 Self Propelled SAM
-the M152/3 APC and IFV
-the Modular Combat Uniform
A newly established Table of Organization and Equipment has been drawn up for the Army, Army Reserve, and Marine Corps, and will be posted soon on the stat page.
Note: While this list shows the equipment being allocated, it does not mean all of the equipment has been finished and sent to units. We do not expect to have all of our units fully equipped for 3 months.
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| May 21, 2011, 6:23 pm
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It seems the Caribbean states and Angola are ignorant to the situation of Russo-Byzantine relations. The Union State has made no threat to the security or territory of the Balkans. Rather, they're upset that they were unable to add Ukraine to its list of victimized states and are presently out of luck with annexing another territory bordering the Black Sea. If one were to take a step back and look at global affairs, we can see that the Byzantine government is mindlessly and unjustly pressing into the heart of Syria while stimulating regional fears to line up more members for its federation. Not only that, but they're obviously readying to annex Lebanon which poses a threat to our defense interests surrounding Israel. Regardless, any instigation of combat shall be met without restraint by the rather powerful joint military of the Union State.

Also, the Union State would like to thank our Scandinavian neighbors for not falling victim to the Byzantine propaganda. We are quite blessed for having such a level-headed union bordering us.

Quoting Luke M

Because of the severe lack of industry in your line-up of nations, I feel it is presently improbable for you to construct a carrier at this time. With no knowledge of your present economic, defense, and social policies, I take it that your government is in a scurry to create a proper budget which means you haven't allocated the funds for such a vessel. Also, it's pointless to have an aircraft carrier stuck in the Caspian Sea seeing as though long range munitions could easily defeat any threats in the surrounding environs.
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| May 21, 2011, 6:43 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Midway is pretty much patched up on both islands. Deployment of replacement radars and defenses are about finished as well, again. Hangars are on the way via air now that there is landing space. What damage was done to Hawaii is pretty much patched up, and the division of the islands is under consideration. Area 51 is coming along nicely as well. Rebuilding projects all across our territory are going well, because unlike our enemy, the damage to our nation was not nearly as comprehensive.

The fallen 500 warriors of Project Norris (Hereafter referred to by the less ridiculous name of M6, unanimously petitioned by the officers of M6) troopers have been replaced by 500 volunteers of the crack 100-103 Regiments (which will also be replaced). M6 is receiving an upgraded weapons pack, being refitted with G36 assault rifles. Also, better personal armor is being added to the manifest for them. Learning the lessons from the Chinese, and having the HAT-1 armor in hand, better anti-tank rockets will equip them from here on out. A theme song for M6 has been voted on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU&NR=1

The three subterranean nuclear reactors are nearing completion for the new population of the Republic. Representatives visited the former PCU areas in an effort to get a good picture of what they could do for the people and what they could do to better relations with them. In Nevada, it was easy; they looked upon the Republic as a welcome liberator from Union oppression, having been invaded by them and their young men forced to leave their state. In many cases, it is suspected that their families were held hostage to coerce them into fighting, which might very well explain the low morale. Most 'loyal' families were moved out of the area, but by most accounts they were forced as well, mostly by threats of forcing their wives and/or daughters into immoral servitude*. Some of the stories made the representatives sick to their stomachs. In Idaho, it was a bit different, though most people figure there's nothing they can do about it, and they don't particularly miss the moral bankruptcy (gambling, compulsory immorality, etc) of the Union, nor the high taxes.

PUSH-UP has been doing large-scale airdrop training for men and supplies. They performed wonderfully (and without loss) in the last war, and they might be called on again, we'd best keep them sharp!

*Just think for a moment before objecting; you'd say the same thing if the roles were reversed (you have already, actually).
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| May 21, 2011, 7:52 pm
Today in the RAS...

For the Russian conflict, I support the Russians fully, because I feel like I can relate. I will not send troops, because I would not like to be downsized yet again, but, I would like to maybe send some equipment and oil.

The Shaka tank has performed well in various tests and simulations, they will be produced on a larger scale and distributed throughout the country.

Most of the Embassies in other countries, government officials have been sent Via Armed escort, we ask you don't shoot them down Please.

Today, the people of Zambia have finally decided to overthrow the Zambian government and join the RAS. They have been promised a better economy and a higher military protection. Most zambian Government officials actually support the joining of the nations and some Zambian generals contributed troops to helping rebels storm the Zambian capital buildings. During the whole joining, there were minimum casualties on both sides. Besides a few idiots who decided they would rather be dead than live in the RAS.

Oh by the way, Raise your ahnd if you survived judgment day!
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| May 21, 2011, 8:24 pm
All former installations are running at 98%. Awaiting deliveries of key components in the next two weeks.

Senegal has messaged the Governor, Governor has replied.

/advocates a peaceful solution to the end of the European Conflict.

Also, Ultra, the damage to the PCU was mainly in the battlefield areas, which you know control. California, Oregon, and Washington were relatively unscathed. On a second note, the Mk. I armor is primitive compared to a fully-armed Mk. II. Better get your hands on that stuff.
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| May 21, 2011, 9:29 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, Ultra, the damage to the PCU was mainly in the battlefield areas, which you know control. California, Oregon, and Washington were relatively unscathed. On a second note, the Mk. I armor is primitive compared to a fully-armed Mk. II. Better get your hands on that stuff.

Yeah, so what's with the "Homeless mother and children huddling in a bullet-ridden vehicle in Los Angeles?"-You. Except for all of the behind the lines bombing I did, yes.

And the story changes yet again. Everyone has stopped believing you, you know.
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| May 21, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, so what's with the "Homeless mother and children huddling in a bullet-ridden vehicle in Los Angeles?"-You. Except for all of the behind the lines bombing I did, yes.

And the story changes yet again. Everyone has stopped believing you, you know.

Do you remember the gang violence in L.A. during the war? Yea, that's where it was from. And she was poor, because she was black. /+5 for Hufflepuff.

And nobody believes your CONSTANT claims of me changing my story either. I've been keeping it moderately straight the entire time.
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| May 21, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Do you remember the gang violence in L.A. during the war? Yea, that's where it was from.

...That was before the cease-fire. Are you admitting that you haven't fixed that yet with all the time you had to? I'm surprised you're admitting that. There was like ONE CR on that, and it's as much your gang's fault as it is mine. I gave orders to attack soldiers, it was probably yours that decided to spray everything in sight with bullets. Californians are like that, you know.

Quoting Nick Shelton
And she was poor, because she was black. /+5 for Hufflepuff.

Why didn't you sell her into immoral slavery like every other girl? Obviously she couldn't pay her taxes in that estate. Then she could have afforded things.

Quoting Nick Shelton
And nobody believes your CONSTANT claims of me changing my story either. I've been keeping it moderately straight the entire time.

Yeah, no. You and Awe have said different things the entire time. However, from the mouth of Awe and the good Dr. S., they aren't as far apart as you keep claiming apparently. According to the good Doctor, a little mixing of x and y and I'll have it no problem. I think x is just some *Classified* and y is *Classified*, wouldn't you agree? Reread what he said, if you doubt.

Let's see:
1. The HAT-1 is so awesome it's going to single-handedly win you the war.
2. It's still awesome except now I have it too, and that's not cool.
3. *Insert one week here* Turns out you don't operate the MkII and the armor is so much different it's uncanny.
4. You'll go to war with whomever dares to buy the plans it's that awesome.
5. All of a sudden, you've trashed the MkI so much that I'm wondering why you bother operating it yourself?
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| May 22, 2011, 12:11 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah, no. You and Awe have said different things the entire time. However, from the mouth of Awe and the good Dr. S., they aren't as far apart as you keep claiming apparently. According to the good Doctor, a little mixing of x and y and I'll have it no problem. I think x is just some *Classified* and y is *Classified*, wouldn't you agree? Reread what he said, if you doubt.

Let's see:
1. The HAT-1 is so awesome it's going to single-handedly win you the war.
2. It's still awesome except now I have it too, and that's not cool.
3. *Insert one week here* Turns out you don't operate the MkII and the armor is so much different it's uncanny.
4. You'll go to war with whomever dares to buy the plans it's that awesome.
5. All of a sudden, you've trashed the MkI so much that I'm wondering why you bother operating it yourself?


Well, there's a bit of X and Y mixed around, plus some very special Z, all of it in a different and complex arrangement. I honestly can't remember if Z is new to the Mk. II, or just there in greater numbers. Ask Nick, we talked about this stuff months ago in November.

1: It's awesome, but it won't win any wars. Except the ones in RA-CAS-UEN...
2: Theft is the black man's game, if you asked Governor John Hood (1993-2023, may he rest in peace). However, it's generally agreed upon that theft isn't cool, no matter who does it.
3: Human error, that's all I can say. Sometimes, you don't remember things for a while, especially with school business going on, and other real life things.
4: Maybe.
5: Mk I has it's uses, but I like the Mk. II myself. More sturdy.
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| May 22, 2011, 12:42 am
If you go back and look, I wasn't operating Mk. Is after their urine-poor performance in the First Half of the War.

About HAT-1 discrepancies, I did indeed forget that about what I was doing with them around that point, but it's been settled in my eyes so there.

On the gang issue, it's been settled. It's just we haven't exactly gone around giving out free doors to everyone with a bullet hole.

On slavery, it's been illegal since 2023. Prostitution since 2027. We take care of each and every one of our people, unlike our Republican neighbors, who are ruthlessly disposing of Muslims and Liberals alike.
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| May 22, 2011, 12:44 am
Please, keep up the sabre-rattling you two. It's usually rather boring in Europe.
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| May 22, 2011, 11:10 am
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Today in the Middle Kingdom:
-Production and transfer of prepared materials to the Islamic Defense Union goes according to plan.
-Let it not be said that the Koaxiang are an unkind regime, for today, we have placed Mongolia's fate in it's own hands. We have commanded that each district be allowed to vote on whether it wishes to join us, or be... coerced and join us. This process should be over by Wednesday, then we shall see.
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| May 22, 2011, 12:55 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
About HAT-1 discrepancies, I did indeed forget that about what I was doing with them around that point, but it's been settled in my eyes so there.

And that's all we need, as long as it's satisfactory to you, right? And people call me arrogant...

Quoting Nick Shelton
On slavery, it's been illegal since 2023. Prostitution since 2027.

State sanctioned immorality is just as bad as slavery. Heck, if some libs compare the poverty of African-Americans to slavery, then what's the difference with 'suggested' immorality of the poor and economically underprivileged?

Quoting Nick Shelton
We take care of each and every one of our people, unlike our Republican neighbors, who are ruthlessly disposing of Muslims and Liberals alike.

Also lies. All such instances were either invented questionably by combat moderators or have been dealt with otherwise. Please provide proof to the contrary, thank you.
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| May 22, 2011, 2:02 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

Lies, you say? Well, you know what's going on in your country, and I know what's going on in mine.
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| May 22, 2011, 2:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Lies, you say? Well, you know what's going on in your country, and I know what's going on in mine.

Then do not attribute what others say I am doing to me. I already addressed the Muslim situation, it never happened. I'm getting rather put out with all the accusations running around. Someone makes something up about what I believe that completely misrepresents my position, and it sticks.
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| May 22, 2011, 2:39 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Then do not attribute what others say I am doing to me. I already addressed the Muslim situation, it never happened. I'm getting rather put out with all the accusations running around. Someone makes something up about what I believe that completely misrepresents my position, and it sticks.

Same here. After repeatedly saying I don't sell girls into slavery, but let them choose their own path to work off their skipped debts, the Allies continue to stick the assumption that I force them into prostitution.
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| May 22, 2011, 2:55 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Same here. After repeatedly saying I don't sell girls into slavery, but let them choose their own path to work off their skipped debts, the Allies continue to stick the assumption that I force them into prostitution.

Really? Is it so much different? Easy way to stop it, get rid of it. Instead, you beat your head against the wall and keep the thing that the majority of us find absolutely abominable. Seems to be laughable to you, for reasons I cannot fathom. The only thing I can see is that you are a guy and totally unfamiliar with what that would entail for most decent women. A rather immature fantasy, I imagine.
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| May 22, 2011, 3:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Really? Is it so much different? Easy way to stop it, get rid of it. Instead, you beat your head against the wall and keep the thing that the majority of us find absolutely abominable. Seems to be laughable to you, for reasons I cannot fathom. The only thing I can see is that you are a guy and totally unfamiliar with what that would entail for most decent women. A rather immature fantasy, I imagine.


Actually, Nick and I know full-well what it entails for most decent women. I just convinced him to do it for the evulz, because my version of the Pacific Union (which ended in 2023) was pretty much for the evulz.

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| May 22, 2011, 3:19 pm
/for the last time:

I don't sell them into prostitution, nor is that their only choice. Is it a choice, yes. But is it a frequently taken choice? No.

Republicans, always twisting people's words around.
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| May 22, 2011, 3:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
/for the last time:

I don't sell them into prostitution, nor is that their only choice. Is it a choice, yes. But is it a frequently taken choice? No.

Then why have it at all? It tarnishes your morality on every level.

Libs: saying Republicans don't care about civil rights whilst flagrantly ignoring them themselves.
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| May 22, 2011, 3:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Then why have it at all? It tarnishes your morality on every level.

Libs: saying Republicans don't care about civil rights whilst flagrantly ignoring them themselves.

Like all leaders, I give my people a choice, no matter what choice that may be. If they want it for themselves, fine with me. Maybe they like that kind of stuff.

Civil rights? I have it. Nobody is discriminated against.
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| May 22, 2011, 3:37 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Like all leaders, I give my people a choice, no matter what choice that may be. If they want it for themselves, fine with me. Maybe they like that kind of stuff.

No one REALLY likes it.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Civil rights? I have it. Nobody is discriminated against.

Unless they're too poor to pay taxes and are forced to make hard choices. Debtor's prisons are much more humane.
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| May 22, 2011, 4:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Unless they're too poor to pay taxes and are forced to make hard choices. Debtor's prisons are much more humane.

We only send them off if they didn't pay their taxes two years in a row. Then, we give them a choice of a job to make their debt go away. Like working in a factory, or working as an accountant. It brings in money for both parties, as well as leveling unemployment to a manageable rate.
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| May 22, 2011, 4:11 pm
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In China, we send debtors to their choice of working in military logistics, working in the mines, working in the fields, or working in maintenance. Not that bad, actually.
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| May 22, 2011, 4:16 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
In China, we send debtors to their choice of working in military logistics, working in the mines, working in the fields, or working in maintenance. Not that bad, actually.

That's much better, for certain. Here in the Republic, we just garnish wages. Since unemployment is pretty low right now, it's not so bad. State-sponsored immorality on the other hand, rather shunned, actually.
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| May 22, 2011, 4:32 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Civil rights? I have it. Everybody is discriminated against.

Fix'd.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Actually, Nick and I know full-well what it entails for most decent women. I just convinced him to do it for the evulz, because my version of the Pacific Union (which ended in 2023) was pretty much for the evulz.

So the PCU is like the Catholic church, is it? Used to be evil, is now slightly less evil?
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| May 22, 2011, 8:07 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Fix'd.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Actually, Nick and I know full-well what it entails for most decent women. I just convinced him to do it for the evulz, because my version of the Pacific Union (which ended in 2023) was pretty much for the evulz.

So the PCU is like the Catholic church, is it? Used to be evil, is now slightly less evil?


Everybody discriminated against? How...delightfully evil.

And in my opinion, Hood had some radical ideas, but they were perfect for the times that we lived in during the 2010s. However, the 2030s demand a new policy, and that's one Hood can't adapt too. That's why he's in China, not in the Union.


In the Union today, the Union decided to unveil the 58 or so F-117s we pulled out of Nevada before the War absorbed their base. They are being re-assembled (their wings were taken off during storage) and being upgraded with Classified Material G to raise survivability, as well as being fitted with Vulcan cannons in their left wing-root, with a small retractable cover, to maintain stealth but give it firepower other than its bomb-bays.
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| May 22, 2011, 8:21 pm
In this entire Turkey thing, we fully support the Russians. They have done nothing wrong, and the Byzantine Empire is just fear mongering. We also believe that any non-European power should stay out as entering the future conflict will result in the breaking of our "Monroe Doctrine."
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| May 22, 2011, 9:09 pm
I heard the Brits support Russia. Well then, I guess we'll have to support the Byzantines.
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| May 22, 2011, 9:57 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I heard the Brits support Russia. Well then, I guess we'll have to support the Byzantines.

Atta boy.

Due to PCU opinion, the Governor does not support either side, not because he doesn't want to look bad, but because he doesn't really care for either side.
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| May 22, 2011, 10:08 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I heard the Brits support Russia. Well then, I guess we'll have to support the Byzantines.

Why, you sad that we couldn't go toe to toe because we spoiled your plans to stab me in the back.
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| May 22, 2011, 10:33 pm
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Although the Union State is pleased to see where each nation's loyalties lie, we must also remind each nation that they have duty to their own people, territory, and region before they interfere with those of others. This is not a threat of any nature, just our way of keeping peace between other nations outside of the Black Sea "hot zone".

Anyhow, the Federal Assembly OK'd several more arms sales this week. No represented government bought the weaponry, rather a group of private defense firms did. Many superfluous ATGMs and MANPADS soon to be seeing replacement in the field were sold off to the aforementioned suits. Presently, our intelligence agency is unaware to the munitions' exact distribution outside of the country, but we expect that the PMCs will be distributing them to ME arms merchants via the few remaining nomads/caravans in the region; something of a Middle Eastern Ho Chi Minh Trail. Although the missiles are aged a bit, they should be more than capable in knocking out a few Byzantine tanks and planes. If that's their target, anyhow. Because, again, we don't really know where the missiles are going . . . >_>

The final two frigates of Byzantine design were completed on schedule yesterday. That means all eight of of the domestically produced vessels have been finished and will be assigned to their respective fleets shortly. With our own electronics and weaponry going into these craft, we figure they should outclass the four being imported from the Balkans.

Speaking of the latter, with fifty-four of commissioned ninety-six air cushions completed and shipped off to Byzantium, we request that at least two of the purchased four frigates be shipped to Sevastopol by this time next week. Due to diplomatic difficulties arising between our respective governments, we'd hate to see specially allocated funds go down the drain.
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| May 22, 2011, 10:47 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Not even knowing the name of our nation hurt our feelings too...

My b buddy
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| May 22, 2011, 10:51 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Yeah. We're being the war-mongers.

<_<

Go to bed like you said you were.

And y'all are war-mongers. Because of the severity of retaliation being seen in Syria [you could have just stopped them at the border and pressed for a white peace diplomatically], we see no reason not to profit from private business with arms requests coming in hourly. And the deeper you press into Ukraine with your federal interests, the more heat you'll see coming your way in the Middle East. Hope you stocked up on flak jackets and Band-Aids.
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| May 22, 2011, 11:00 pm
as of today, we are starting our occupation and re-union of Sumatra into the original territories of Indonesia.

That is all.
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| May 23, 2011, 12:04 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
So the PCU is like the Catholic church, is it? Used to be evil, is now slightly less evil?


Pretty much.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Everybody discriminated against? How...delightfully evil.

And in my opinion, Hood had some radical ideas, but they were perfect for the times that we lived in during the 2010s. However, the 2030s demand a new policy, and that's one Hood can't adapt too. That's why he's in China, not in the Union.


I know, right? Hood did have some pretty crazy ideas, and it did work. But apparently Shelton realized people don't like slavery, immorality, and cult of personality like Hood did. He did keep the drug business though... Well, Hood was eventually enlightened, let's say. The world is safe once again.

In the regions of Asia:
-Votes are beggining to come in from the Mongolian provinces, but we're a bit impatient. The areas with all the mines and industry have been seized by air-dropped troops, while mechanized divisions ready themselves on the border. The people will either take the hand of properity, or stare into the face of oblivion. Mongolia is forthwith a state within the Koaxiang Empire. They just don't know it yet.
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| May 23, 2011, 1:42 am
And so, Brazil awakens...

Building of the new MExican Defense Shield (MEDS) has begun and will entail scores of bunkers and other things vital to defense but won't damage the treaty. Speaking of building, the Panama canal has finally been announced completed and the SC flag has been hoisted over the Canal Authority's Headquarters.

Building of civilian things continues along with new military stuff and we will be filling an order for an international buyer. Also, AT-7s are being put into full productions and we hope to see a batch of them off the lines by the end of the week.
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| May 23, 2011, 7:46 am
A prototype of a new tank has been created, and is now going through more construction to complete it. After the prototype has been completed, it will come into construction.
Thats it.
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| May 23, 2011, 10:59 am
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Today, in the Western Republic...

The crews and laborers that worked on the canal these past weeks are currently having a rather large party right now. Though we planned on placing 150,000 Chinese slaves to the job, with about 40,000 (if that many survived) Egyptian slaves to the task, it looks like it worked out anyway.

The Western Republic again demands PCU adherence to the treaty and the immediate withdrawal of all the Egyptian nationals as specifically outlined in the treaty. We find the PCU's blatant disregard for their signed word...distressing. As of now, constant surveillance of the entire territory of the PCU is in effect, it might be a breach of sovereignty, but we have a good example to follow.

Before anything else crops up like this again in the future, the Republic wishes to remind the world that players control a nation's trade, not the civilians. So, if any, oh I don't know, Spanish container ships show up and say "IZ got teh PCU spezal agentz ashorz!" Then we will kindly seize, search, and detain that ship 50 miles from shore because it is in our waters unauthorized. I found that whole episode rather absurd, but that's just me.

Israel is rather concerned about the developments around her, namely two region powers starting to argue needlessly. We can't take sides, and we wouldn't, but still. Israel has petitioned the now ruler of Lebanon to destroy Hezbollah while they're at the whole conquer & subjugate thing. Might as well, right?

Once the UNC is finished with our aces (*Ahem*) a rigorous training program will commence to take them from where they are to where they could be. Using the F-89 and F-29, they will be pitted against the F-1 of the Guatemalans and F-40s for agility. Though in most circles the MAF-2 is viewed as slightly inferior to the F-89, it's performance is nonetheless steady. However, it is always our job of beat whatever is out there. If it's not the MAF-2, it could be worse.

Stuff goes on. Research continues.

The Caucasus Republic will be receiving their F-29s in 4 flights of 5 in 30 minute intervals. The last flight will be accompanied by a C-130 to take the pilots to Israel for the night before coming back home. We've taken the liberty of removing the AESA radar and replacing it with the latest in Pulse-Doppler radars, still probably more technologically advanced than anything you've got.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Not to rehash this over and over again or anything, but I had one last question about the MkII. Such as: why it is organized under "Pacific Union" instead of "Whatever Dynasty" if you're the only one that operates it? Human error, again? Or Freudian slip?

Ok, that's 3 questions...
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| May 23, 2011, 11:17 am
Quoting henry wang
In this entire Turkey thing, we fully support the Russians. They have done nothing wrong, and the Byzantine Empire is just fear mongering. We also believe that any non-European power should stay out as entering the future conflict will result in the breaking of our "Monroe Doctrine."

Okay, no offense, but you are taking russia's side, because all they were doing is taking land, and it's none of byzantines buisness REALLY!
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| May 23, 2011, 12:04 pm
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Due to the imperialistic gains [we don't mind really, just have to hash some words about with negative connotations to get the attention of the people] of our Chinese neighbors, mechanized troops have been mobilized near the Mongolian border near areas with important infrastructure. Sorties and the like shall be keeping tabs on any mobilization that should happen to near our respective borders. We don't fear any rash behavior from the Chinese, rather we fear some radical refugees may attempt to cause a hassle in the middle of nowhere.

The Union State would also like to assure Israel that fighting [whether figurative or physical] shan't break out from the Black Sea arena. The sanctity of their state is far too respected amongst the Russian government to compromise with a flare up between Byzantium and ourselves. However, if the Israeli people continue to protest the regional infighting, we will attempt to pursue peace with redoubled vigor.

Alas, the Union State has recently decreed that humanitarian aid outside of our borders will no longer be distributed by military personnel. We think it irrational to put our boots and tax dollars in harms way when other bodies like Red Cross can easily do the same if they cared to; and of course private security forces could offer protection in hostile areas. This has been heavily criticized by many parties, but the final decision seems justified with lessons being learned from past wars and disasters that left troops exposed to laboring for natives that have no initiative to help themselves. Social Darwinism is seeing some revival in our government it seems.
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| May 23, 2011, 4:12 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

The Egyptians will not be expelled, as they own permanent bases there, and I have no right to expel them off their own military base. Speaking of having no right, you don't have the right or means to place my country under surveillance. The only place you can see is the 10 miles or so of militarized land next to the border, and there's nothing to see there except guns pointed at your fellows. I suggest you back off.

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In Senegal, the Senegalese Government has declared complete control of the situation in Guinea, but several high-ranking figures in their military have displayed mixed feelings due to the heavy casualties still being seen in the Southwestern corner of the country. PCU intelligence officers have been flown over to re-gain intelligence for the SA.
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| May 23, 2011, 5:30 pm
In another effort to standardize the education system in the CU (both intellectually and socially), Congress has outlawed the practice of homeschooling (with some, extremely rare exceptions). Also, Carribean Tech. Land Systems (a subsidiary of Carribean Tech.), has begun private development of an Amphibious/Airborne Light Armored Fighting Vehicle. Our Defense Department has taken a keen interest in this project, and we will see where it goes.
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| May 23, 2011, 5:36 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
The Egyptians will not be expelled, as they own permanent bases there, and I have no right to expel them off their own military base. Speaking of having no right, you don't have the right or means to place my country under surveillance. The only place you can see is the 10 miles or so of militarized land next to the border, and there's nothing to see there except guns pointed at your fellows. I suggest you back off.

Suggest what you like, but I will observe whom I will when I will. I have every surveillance satellite the US has possession of from thermal to nuclear to just basic sky eyes; whereas you have none. So I definitely have the means to do so, and the right.

Yet again, you deceive and point the finger elsewhere. You swore you would, yet you laugh and say "Der, sorry! No can do!" I held up my end, and you refuse to do so yourself, who has more honor now?

Still, I don't particularly care, it's just more men your territory won't be able to support logistically or materially, as I will take great pleasure in enlightening the combat moderator to such facts as I see them. It will sadly be a slaughter.

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| May 23, 2011, 6:06 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Due to the imperialistic gains [we don't mind really, just have to hash some words about with negative connotations to get the attention of the people] of our Chinese neighbors, mechanized troops have been mobilized near the Mongolian border near areas with important infrastructure. Sorties and the like shall be keeping tabs on any mobilization that should happen to near our respective borders. We don't fear any rash behavior from the Chinese, rather we fear some radical refugees may attempt to cause a hassle in the middle of nowhere.


Alright, sounds fresh. Those refugees are pesky, aren't they? I wouldn't be afraid of them if you I were you, the situation is under control. As Mongolia has been declared a state of the empire, it's not really a war, just an enforcement of authority. We'll play nice if they play nice. So far, no shots have been fired, and no one's died, but that's always got the potential to change. However, with voting going on nonetheless, it seems people in the [few] urban and industrial areas are more intent on the economic opportunities of joining than fighting to remain a backwater nation between two great powers. The nomads... Do they even care what happens? We'll see.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Not to rehash this over and over again or anything, but I had one last question about the MkII. Such as: why it is organized under "Pacific Union" instead of "Whatever Dynasty" if you're the only one that operates it? Human error, again? Or Freudian slip?

Ok, that's 3 questions...


Because it makes sense. The Mk. I is in the Pacific Union folder, so it'd be convenient to have the upgraded version there too for the viewers. I've always been annoyed at having to switch folders when I really don't need to, so this is my way of being nice. The MAF-2 is not at all related to PCU things, so that's what it's in the other folder.

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| May 23, 2011, 6:55 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton
The Egyptians will not be expelled, as they own permanent bases there, and I have no right to expel them off their own military base. Speaking of having no right, you don't have the right or means to place my country under surveillance. The only place you can see is the 10 miles or so of militarized land next to the border, and there's nothing to see there except guns pointed at your fellows. I suggest you back off.

Suggest what you like, but I will observe whom I will when I will. I have every surveillance satellite the US has possession of from thermal to nuclear to just basic sky eyes; whereas you have none. So I definitely have the means to do so, and the right.

Yet again, you deceive and point the finger elsewhere. You swore you would, yet you laugh and say "Der, sorry! No can do!" I held up my end, and you refuse to do so yourself, who has more honor now?

Still, I don't particularly care, it's just more men your territory won't be able to support logistically or materially, as I will take great pleasure in enlightening the combat moderator to such facts as I see them. It will sadly be a slaughter.

Slaughter? If this is insight into the WR's plan of mowing down the Pacifican Union, I flag them down for their ruthless ways. Despite numerous sayings that the PCU would not seek retaliatory actions on them, they continue to be aggressive!
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| May 23, 2011, 7:06 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Slaughter? If this is insight into the WR's plan of mowing down the Pacifican Union, I flag them down for their ruthless ways. Despite numerous sayings that the PCU would not seek retaliatory actions on them, they continue to be aggressive!

Really? Well, that's a load off my mind. I think my initial confusion might be because your messages of peace got lost between you saying: "This war will never end, it will span at least two groups!", or "Such and such will do what Sherman did from Coronado to Denver!", or "He's crossed the line and he knows it!" Yeah, I think your "Numerous sayings" got lost somewhere in there. Remind me again when you said anything that might even resemble "Not seeking retaliatory action?" My memory's a bit off today.
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| May 23, 2011, 7:13 pm
In PCU News, again, the PCU has activated the four Forrestal-class carriers in the Puget Sound today, and are tugging them down to San Diego to undergo upgrades.
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| May 23, 2011, 7:26 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Really? Well, that's a load off my mind. I think my initial confusion might be because your messages of peace got lost between you saying: "This war will never end, it will span at least two groups!", or "Such and such will do what Sherman did from Coronado to Denver!", or "He's crossed the line and he knows it!" Yeah, I think your "Numerous sayings" got lost somewhere in there. Remind me again when you said anything that might even resemble "Not seeking retaliatory action?" My memory's a bit off today.

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| May 23, 2011, 7:33 pm
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After a long period of development, work on the improved C5B is nearing completion. This is mostly an upgrade to the turret, but minor hull refinements have also been made. The vehicle now has extra optics, less gaps in the armor, and is far sturdier than C5As, in addition to being overall more survivable. The C5B will remain UNC exclusive.
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| May 23, 2011, 8:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And nobody believes your CONSTANT claims of me changing my story either. I've been keeping it moderately straight the entire time.

Hmm. I found this oddly ironic. You really ought to watch your temper; you reveal the most interesting things under its influence.
I shall now document the ever-changing story for all to see.

May 15th, Nick: "The HAT-1 is of PCU origin. OAAE created it. China simply made an updated version with better armor. Since the PCU didn't use that version [MkII]..."

May 15th, Awe: "Those were from the Mk. I. Mk. II is still over here in China."

May 16th, Nick: "Ultra, I didn't remember that I didn't put the Mk. II into production."
And "Since the Mk. II wasn't in production, its plans weren't delivered to any factories." And "You will not have the Mk. II. Since it was not in production in ANY facility, it was not in the plans at ANY facility." And "I didn't use Mk. IIs."

Today, Nick: "The PCU did operate the Mk. II, we just ended their production line after the first act of the war ended. So don't think we won't send them in again once July 2nd comes around." (Is it just me or did I miss another 'Numerous message' of peace and goodwill somewhere in there?)

So, you DID have them, DID produce them in the very factories I later infiltrated. Now is that clear enough for you, Nick? Yes, Nick, you've been the soul of honesty the entire time.


And as for the Forrestal-class carriers, Evan has this to say: "No military action or production" means you CAN'T take warships out of port.

Way to double post, eh?
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| May 23, 2011, 8:50 pm
It's not military production, but oh well.

The PCU is going to upgrade them at Astoria instead.

And the Mk. II was pulled off the factory lines after the first act, and you infiltrated in the second act. So they weren't in the factories.

Also, http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5752846505/in/photostream new tank.
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| May 23, 2011, 9:06 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


I don't even know what the story is any more. Nick is trolling everything at the moment.

In any case, a new armor mix has been put into testing. Just because we're paranoid.

Also, due to a recent large-scale financial gain, two new Arketers have been ordered, along with some new ships.
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| May 23, 2011, 10:55 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I don't even know what the story is any more. Nick is trolling everything at the moment.

It's rather tiresome. Though I think it illustrates his immaturity nicely. Let's just see if he can make all that he wants with what little he's got.
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| May 23, 2011, 11:17 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Intelligence sources have distressing news from their preliminary surveillance of the PCU. They have found that the rather large shipment of milled iron has gone straight into factories that are indeed producing machines of war inside the territory of the PCU. These factories are producing tanks, planes, and other armored vehicles. Not only are they in violation of the spirit of the prohibition on both of our nations, but these sources indicate that the Egyptians present inside the Pacific Union in violation of that nation's treaty and signed word might attempt to use these very weapons to initiate an offensive as early as next week, with the Pacific Union using Republic retaliation as cause to start their own offensive against us the day after. Preparations are in the works to deal with such an attack with absolute devastation. The High Command has given a brief of these developments to the President-elect to keep him in the loop, he has sworn to give highest priority to defense once he takes office. Surveillance of ports and incoming/outgoing ships continues.

In preparation for future aerial campaigns, M6 has issued a request for an air-transportable light tank (ATLT) for use the next time around. It seems being dropped into a hostile environment last time with nothing but small arms didn't sit too well with some of the boys. It will be light and heavily armed, and coated with everyone's favorite HAT-1 armor. In honor of them, it will be designated the M6 Norris. I can't see how THAT could be confusing...

Forestry initiatives continue. A forest ranger today walked right up to the PCU/WR border, leaning on one of the caution signs on our side, and watched a machine gun be put into place on the PCU side. One passerby snapped a picture of the encounter, this photo shows remarkably the difference between the two nations. One is about the business of peace, in the other grind the gears of war. Thanks to modern technology, the HC has asked that any further such encounters be documented by photograph via phone camera and have established a special phone number for the photos to be sent to via upload. It could save the HC quite a lot when it comes to frontline recon. Everything will of course be verified just in case false pictures are uploaded, but it will still save lots of time. Citizens are strictly warned against crossing the border, as their safety cannot be guaranteed.

A second close aerial support drill is scheduled for the 28th, again to strengthen the coordination of the CAS aircraft. The few A-11s will also take part in this, adding their thunderous guns to the din.

Israel is also conducting intelligence gathering of this new IDU that is forming. Having received word of massive arms deals, they are looking to how they will defend themselves if everything hits the fan soon. However, superior technology has triumphed over numbers before, and they believe unshakably that Yahweh is with them.
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| May 24, 2011, 12:59 pm
In other news, us Iberians continue gathering intelligence on everyone. We prefer not to say it out loud and then make up some fake stuff though.

Today marked a landmark in production. The 200th MT-3 manufactured in Spain was completed. It will join in the mega parade to commenorate the official formation of the Western Mediterranean Union on June the 1st.

Speaking of which, invitations have been sent to the following countries to attend:
-China
-Egypt
-The Commonwealth
-The Baltic Union
-Russia
-Byzantines
-Japan
-The Atlantic Union
-The United Federation of Scandinavia
-France
Among others(NPCs).

In other Union news:
The Moroccan Military has been intensely re-training for the past couple of weeks, under the watch of Spanish and Portuguese officers. About 5,000 have been moved to reserve duty so far, mainly from the Army. The hope is that soon, every soldier in the Union will be able to fight like "ten tigers" in the words of one Spanish general.

In the Peninsula:
One tourist(a woman in her late fifties-early 60s) from the Americas posed this comment to a nearby guard in Ferrol: "What's taking you so long on those ships over there? We put out ships all the time back in the West!" the Soldier had to refrain from pulling out his bayonet and stabbing the obnoxious tourista, but he gave her this answer "Want to see the Lepanto-class? Go watch the WMU Ceremony. There will be fireworks grander than any Fourth of July there ever was."

Persuaded by her young grandson, she quickly made reservations for several more nights. After all, who doesn't like military parades and fireworks?
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| May 24, 2011, 3:54 pm
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Speaking of which, invitations have been sent to the following countries to attend:
-China
-Egypt
-The Commonwealth
-The Baltic Union
-Russia
-Byzantines
-Japan
-The Atlantic Union
-The United Federation of Scandinavia
-France
Among others(NPCs).


What about me?
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| May 24, 2011, 4:11 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
In other news, us Iberians continue gathering intelligence on everyone. We prefer not to say it out loud and then make up some fake stuff though.

It doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist, even though I am one, to figure out why Nick has refused to comply to the treaty and expel the Egyptians after saying he would, why Cliffe is shipping tons of steel to the PCU, why Nick feels he will be able to resume the offensive the day of his prohibition ending despite his current depleted state, and why he is coming up with more vehicle designs than he will be able to field before he fulfills his promise. Add to that Cliffe's admission of having bases and factories in the PCU, mix in a little deception, and you'd come to the same conclusion. Might also explain why Nick was so eager to obtain those ships in the ocean. It has nothing to do with his civilians, as most of us saw through anyway, he's financing the construction of his own vehicles in his own territory under a different name only.

I think I'll just lease out my factories as well, that makes sense actually. Except it won't be allowed in my case, but it will in his, you just watch.
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| May 24, 2011, 4:19 pm
Today a small force of RAS soldiers have landed in the northern PCU, the soldiers will stay there in exchange for a few "shaka" MBTs these soldiers will be conducting recon, and training excersizes, as well as making sure the borders stay where they are. Another "holland" class battleship is missing, we suspect pirates.
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| May 24, 2011, 4:46 pm
Quoting Thomas N

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Yes, The <insert name of a Sea here> Union will attend the ceremony for The <insert name of a Sea here> Union.


It was originally supposed to be the Iberian Union but that was already taken.
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| May 24, 2011, 5:04 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
So, you made all that up, and you now expect us to believe everything you say about your opponent as truth?

Made what up? You read through this ICF, the last one, look at the treaty, and then tell me I'm making it up. Of course, that's typical: when in doubt, Ultra made it up. Couldn't be that I'm right and you're covering for him like you always have and do. I'd be very interested to see the conclusion you come to.
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| May 24, 2011, 5:08 pm
UNDEAD confirms the exchange between the PCU Border Force and the Park Ranger. Had he leaned on that sign for exactly two more seconds, he would have been perforated.

The PCU doesn't, however, confirm the WR's spying on our nation's factories, since they have been inactive, not including making those planes for AeroJump or whatever that was. STAR Corp. owns that, they'll get the final product to be distributed. No steel has gone to that, since steel is a minority in our vehicle design. Also, we condemn their blatant attempts at invading our privacy. We warn them that any further intrusions will be solved by our Army marching on Reno.

On invading the WR, it's not in our game-plan for 2037. We're only producing new designs because old designs aren't working. We're only letting Cliffe produce things in our territory because he wants some StuG Vs for his military. We're only obtaining our ships (speaking of which, all ships have been retrieved from the Gulf of Mexico) so that we can re-build our Navy. Why are we doing these things? So the WR doesn't invade US.

On having other people produce things, stop being a hypocrite. I'm 100% sure (audio confirmation) that you're outsourcing your equipment, something the PCU Government does not sponsor.

Speaking of making new designs, you're doing the same thing. Further hypocrisy? You bet your rear-end. -_-
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| May 24, 2011, 5:23 pm
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The two Resolve carriers are done, completely ready to go today for their buyer. We will hold on to them until the purchases comes and claims them.

Due to a very stubborn and annoying order from a subcontractor of the Sparv, it has been delayed- again. I really appreciate waiting more than 3 weeks and still no invoice, eBricks!
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| May 24, 2011, 5:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

The Mk. I (the one you have) doesn't have special armor. It's just REALLY REALLY THICK. That's why it's so strong. It's also really slow, which is why it's only utilized sparingly.

Have fun with that tank though.
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| May 24, 2011, 6:25 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The Baltic Union: (newly returned after a hiatus due to computer issues, which were fixed by Geek Squad), has this to say on Byzantine-Russian relations.

The Byzantine government claims that they are on the side of Ukraine, (Ukraine seemingly being the most important issue in this conflict), yet history speaks to the contrary.

During the original Ukrainian conflict, the one short one moderated by the Venerable Tom Neumo, the Russians and Byzantines both had different tactics in dealing with the breakaway Ukrainian region in the Crimea.

Byzantine chose to support a runaway province, basing troops there in a maneuver blatantly disregarding Ukraine's sovereignty and Ukraine's right to deal with one of their own provinces, Byzantine thus made what should have been an internal affair an international one, and by supporting a break-away province, completely jeopardized the situation in Ukraine. Without the foreign intervention, Ukraine could have handled it's internal problems on its own. However, once their province was backed up by a foreign power, in this case Byzantine, they could no longer handle the situation, and things went out of control. The responsibility fell to the Russians to act for the benefit of their good neighbor, and attempt to stand up for the sovereignty of Ukraine by supporting Ukraine's right to reunite with it's own province.

So it is laughable now, after Byzantium clearly caused the deplorable situation in the Ukraine by supporting a breakaway state, that they should claim to be on the side of the Ukrainian people. They claim to support the Kiev government, after sufficiently weakening it earlier. Their occupation of eastern Ukraine is only intensifying the problems in the region that they originally caused. And now they claim that Russia is violating Ukraine? Russia is merely once again reaching out to its friend and ally, the true people of Ukraine, in the opposition of the Byzantine occupation, which is what caused Ukrainian problems in the first place.

In summary, Byzantine essentially caused the problems in Ukraine by interfering with their internal affairs, and now claims to be on the side of the Ukrainian people by occupying Eastern Ukraine. However, Byzantine does not speak for the Ukrainian people, and it seems clear that the Ukrainian people, if they did have a voice, would choose Russia as their chosen benefactors. Russia has done nothing but try to help Ukraine (first by supporting them against a rebel province, and now by trying to improve their deplorable situation by annexing them). Byzantine, on the other hand, supported a rebel province, and now continues to threaten regional stability by occupying a region of Ukraine where public opinion should be against them.

/moral support to Russia

But what if this breakaway province had it in the right to break away, like the rebels in Libya? If they deserved it, I would have backed them up. However, if they just broke away for power or because they simply wanted to, I'd back up Ukraine.

Egypt and the IDU are debating the debacle.

EDIT: Also, the Pharaoh, the President of Libya, the Kings of Oman and Yemen, and the President of Pakistan will attend Spain's parade. The leaders of Afghanistan and Chad have some things to do, apparently.
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| May 24, 2011, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
You did. You have no way of knowing Nick's intentions. Yet you choose to tell the world that he is doing something, while you have no way of knowing what he is doing. You can't just say that he is doing what you think, because he makes his own decisions. You don't make decisions for him. And by accusing him based on your own assumptions, you're doing something wrong.

I will just say that others have accused me of things in the past that were not true in a slightly less poetic way, so I fail to see how this is different.
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| May 24, 2011, 7:36 pm
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Passerbys in Finland witnessed the two Resolve Carriers depart with no national markings or flags. We hope our customer uses their $5 billion investment wisely.
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| May 24, 2011, 7:53 pm
lolWestern Republic.
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| May 24, 2011, 7:59 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick

You failed to mention that the Crimean secessionists pretty much evicted us from our base in Sevastopol and took it over; and we here in the Union State would like to keep the territory we paid for. Regardless, we attempted to subdue the secessionists in Sevastopol with less-than-lethal force before they ambushed several patrols in the city. And of course due to Eastern European politics still being experimental in democratic processes, Kiev failed to introduce any effective security detail of its own. In all reality, we produced the first joint defense troops and not Byzantium. The Southern Belt of provinces is the hearth of the "revolution" and with Kiev and the rest of Ukraine split into dozens of splinter regimes trying to make a name for themselves, temporarily applying the Union State flag to said provinces seemed the only feasible way of bringing order back to the region without spending years in-threatre with naught but passive occupation serving as the doctrine of action; not really the best cup of tea.

Sorry you like to glorify your state so much.
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| May 24, 2011, 8:46 pm
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We would like to thank Byzantium for our recent exchange of war goods, and apologize for the delay of the Sparv production.

While still addressing Byzantium, we simultaneously condemn the aggressive stance that you have taken, especially considering that you have been more trigger-happy in starting wars/acquiring territory than Russia. Know that the UNC will remain completely neutral in the conflict, but we cannot let such blatant aggression go without any notice.
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| May 24, 2011, 8:56 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
No one loves me.

HE'S JUST A POOR BOY FROM A POOR FAMILY.
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| May 24, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
No one loves me.

So true. XD
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| May 24, 2011, 9:27 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
No one loves me.

I can sympathize.


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| May 24, 2011, 9:30 pm
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Oui!
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| May 24, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
HE'S JUST A POOR BOY FROM A POOR FAMILY.

lolQueenrefrence
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| May 24, 2011, 9:51 pm
Egypt and the IDU's official stance towards the Russo-Byzantine agression:

We stand against BOTH Byzantium and Russia. We have determined that both nations are, at many points, disregarding the wishes of citizens in both the Middle East AND Ukraine and using nobility and humanitarianism as a pretext to gain more power. While we stand more against the Union State for its social darwinism practice and we lean ever so SLIGHTLY towards Byzantium just because we stand against Russia, in the end we stand against both.

In light of this, the IDU is putting forth a vote to investigate matters in Syria, Lebanon, and other areas affected by Byzantium, which will ultimately lead to a vote on possible means of intervention.
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| May 24, 2011, 10:17 pm
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In the Koaxiang Empire today:
-Troops are deploying into Mongolia to oversee stability and security while the Mongolians vote to see just how glad they are to be a part of the nation.
-Industrial areas seized, and are now protected against pesky uppity-folk.
-We eye the Byzantine-Russian hostilities warily. Due to the fact they're farther away and share no borders or real history with us, we're throwing our support to the Greeks. I still love you, Evan.

>.>

Quoting Ultramarine .
One passerby snapped a picture of the encounter, this photo shows remarkably the difference between the two nations. One is about the business of peace, in the other grind the gears of war.


Grinding the gears of war? That doesn't describe your nation how..?

Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Speaking of which, invitations have been sent to the following countries to attend:
-China
...
It was originally supposed to be the Iberian Union but that was already taken.


Sup bro. Also, you should use Iberian Union anyway, as a throw-back to when all the peninsula was ruled by the Hapsburgs.
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| May 24, 2011, 10:27 pm
Egypt has begun to sell off its highly numerous older equipment- for now, many African nations are the only buyers, however Tunisia is to acquire our T-80s.

Anyone looking for gobs and gobs of M60s, let me know.
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| May 24, 2011, 10:31 pm
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In protest to the IDU, the Union State would like to throw out the fact that Ukraine has shown interests in joining our union since the early 2000s [true fact, not making this up] with a ninety-plus percent positive outlook on the former Russian Federation and a percentage just short of thirty approving of reunification with the Russia. Ukraine is also part of GUAM and the CIS/CSTO which have a great deal of funding coming from Russia. A free trade agreement has also been positively reviewed in the early 2000s with a possible finalized draft being completed in 2011. Therefore, the will of the people is not being entirely suppressed so much as strengthened through action.
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| May 24, 2011, 10:37 pm
Greater Alenia currently has no interest in the impending war; not directly, anyway. Depending on what other people do we may get an opportunity for great monetary gain, but eh, doubt it.
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| May 24, 2011, 11:15 pm
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