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International Conversation Forum XXI
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Highlights of ICF XX
-Disputes over intelligence gathering and espionage
-Looming Eastern European war
-Plenty of new members

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| May 25, 2011, 9:50 am
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Today, in the Western Republic...

The Republic is now wholly so today with the swearing in of the first President and Congress this morning. In a world-wide televised event, the ceremony was carried out in traditional style. As their first order of business, they voted in the Constitution with the Bill of Rights. The second was to remove the High Command as the ruling body, and trim the number from 15 to 3 generals that was on it. The third act was to send an official apology to Brendonia for the bombings. Not excusing the cause, but just saying it probably wasn't the best solution to the issue that the former Confederation could have come up with. Also, they officially axed the raising of the Great Falls, along with the further development of the HAT-1, combat data having shown that tanks at half the cost could win with half the losses. Still, they did allow for the development of the hull section as a possible weapons system. Immediately, planners put in submissions for a heavy armor recovery vehicle based on that design, and insisted that the armor mix be used on some future types. That was given the green light.

With the Great Falls question settled, the unfortunate ship has been sold for $10 million to SeaKing Co. for scraps. Salvaging continues. The two Arleigh-Burkes are being fixed up nicely with their various holes patched up. Thanks to some foresight on one of them and good damage control teams, the bridge was sealed off before she went to the bottom. Two crewmen survived in there for 4 days before the ship was raised (with the help of several emergency air tanks). They are currently recovering from a bad case of the bends. However, all of the computer systems on that deck were also preserved as a result. They were both awarded the Navy Cross. The Nimitz-class carrier has gotten it's new elevator, and had most of its aircraft replenished.

Midway is now complete. For now, most of her defenses are classified, so we'll leave that be. Wake's superficial damage has been patched up, and an also classified number of aircraft and defenses garrison her. Digging has been observed off of Midway, for reasons unknown.

The M90 MkI has been officially withdrawn from service, so the M90 MkII will now only be known as the M90. The 55 hulls will be either turned into MkIIs, M80s, or vehicles yet to be deployed.

Quoting Matt Hacker
-Plenty of new members

AKA Fresh Meat.
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| May 25, 2011, 12:45 pm
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Hey, just finished the ATLT. Boy, that sounds kinda clony... Oh well. It's got a 140mm rifled gun, which has been combat proven to be rather effective one-shot-kills for the HAT-1 MkII (According to the actual CR, don't blame me, I didn't make it up).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46934040@N05/5759603422/in/photostream
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| May 25, 2011, 4:14 pm
Both of the ACU's new fighters' production goes along nicely with a new design being ironed out.
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| May 25, 2011, 5:19 pm
The Carribean Union Army, Army Reserve, and Marine Corps has just finished their recent reorganization into brigade sized units. A Table of Organisation and Equipment has been drawn up for these new units, which can be downloaded here:
http://www.4shared.com/document/hKAvLlqW/CU_Military_TOE.html
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| May 25, 2011, 5:22 pm
Quoting Ultramarine M6 NORRIS IS 1337!111!

There is no classified armor mix for the Mk. I, the one you have, so it doesn't survive hits up to 250mm. The only reason the Mk. I was strong was because it had overwhelming firepower that killed whatever was going to shoot at it, and it had very nice APS systems. It also had obscenely thick armor, making it obscenely slow. So, in short, your M6 Norris is a scaled-down version of a Bradley-tank.
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| May 25, 2011, 5:48 pm
In the SC...

Our Cuban neighbors and all nations in North America are being invited to Joint Armor Training in Brazil, starting on Friday. It will be structured similarly to the Russians earlier this month.

Certain things are still happening in our factories and yes, the factories are still building things. The first batch of AT-7s have been completed and will be armed with training warheads for the JAT we are planning.
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| May 25, 2011, 6:08 pm
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The Baltic Union and satellite state Namibia (@ Evan, id there some way to mark that on the map? I'm not integrating it, but I would like it marked as a sat. state) have decided to initiate a new regional defense policy in light of more recent events.

No longer can the Marine group based at Walvis Bay be relied upon to defend all of Namibia. A somewhat-modern defense force is required to serve within Namibia.

The Namibian Defense Force will consist of entirely Namibian troops, but to train Namibian officers, German officers will be enlisted for the first few months. All soldiers will be equipped with top-of-the-line Heckler and Koch weapons, the same used by the Armies of the BU.

All equipment of the current Namibian Army and Air force will be facing integration or expulsion soon. Out of the original Namibian Army: 12 BDRM-2s, 20 T-54/55s, 10 BTR-60s, and 10 BTR-152s are being scrapped.
Being kept are the: 50 Westland Lynx Helicopters we sold them months ago, and the 50 Casspirs they received from South Africa. The Casspirs will be converted to command vehicles.

To augment these supplies, we will be selling some of outgrown equipment to them. As it turns out, Germany has 4000 M113s sitting around, so we'll be selling some to them. We would very much like to purchase from our Scandinavian friends the upgrade kit to their M113A5 variant. We would hope to apply this to at least 1,000 M113s we send to Namibia, the other 3,000 being reserve units.

Also, in order to have an adequate amount of decent armor fighting capability, Namibia will be purchasing 200 M60 tanks from Egypt's liquidation, all of which will be upgraded here in the BU before transfer.
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| May 25, 2011, 6:26 pm
Representatives from the Republic of Peru and the Republic of Chile met with diplomats from the Union today in Lima, Peru to discuss a cooperative military initiative to keep the force that is currently steam-rolling through the New World out of their lands. Current ideas being thrown around is a PCU force of about 4,000 Reserve units being based between the two countries, with the two nations also being placed under PCU Missile Defense.

While a Military Defense Force is being formed, economic terms are also being pitched. Things like joint-drilling in oil deposits in the two countries in exchange for some MAF-1s and the M2 Bradley.
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| May 25, 2011, 8:44 pm
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The Belorussian crews that failed to completely obliterate their "foes" during the combat exercises held awhile back have re-entered advanced crew training (ACT) as to better educate themselves with the equipment they roll in and to sharpen their reaction times. Inherited Ukrainian tankers will also train with the Belorussian classes while the acclaimed veterans/elite join the classes being described after this statement. The more competent, but still low-scoring, Russian crews will be slung over into the Far Eastern and Siberian districts to further enhance themselves as well. Of course their training environs are bit harsher, but this will only increase their ability to get the first-shot-kill every time in any place. Batches of our latest smoothbore ATGMs including the ninety-degree attack munition and pseudo-Starstreak will be sent over with them so we can test how they do going down range while recording any and all malfunctions that may occur during their use.

Some of the finalized algorithms meant for use by our sniper teams have been included in the curriculum of several test classes involving snipers from the Third Chechen War and the recent deployment in Crimea. These top-notch boys should be able to feed us proficient data that will accurately judge how well our university boys did in creating lethal math problems. In all seriousness though, these classified formulas should enable our future snipers to put a round in smaller and smaller targets farther and farther down range.

Funding for several joint command and control centers has been amended to the federal budget. These centers are specifically designed for use by PMCs/PDCs that are deployed in areas that interest the Union State government. Seats will be granted by the number of employees in each firm, but that is really irrelevant due to the intent of these institutions. Recent military reforms have nearly indoctrinated PMCs as a prime force to be coerced and utilized by the federal government for tasks that seem politically or logistically troublesome. Plus, with the defense industry's sprawl, many companies are opening branches for the development of equipment designed for non-government contractors with minimal to non-existent taxation being offered as an additional incentive for market competition. Anyhow, this stance on the use of PMCs will be explained and exemplified over time.

Also, it seems the integrated-gender corps have done well with regards to recognizing each individual's boundaries while still maintaining combat effectiveness and maturity. We hope with this continued success, more women will begin enlisting which should decrease them from engaging in social activities viewed with great negativity. Politically, this should empower females to be more engaged in public offices while also giving them another foot in gaining equalized respect in the workplace.

Finally, the Union State would like to request the purchase of four Type-4 submarines from our Scandinavian friends. If the request goes through, we would like to build them domestically to cut costs and to employ the men and women that need a job after finishing off our contract of eight frigates.
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| May 25, 2011, 8:53 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton Chile...

Looks like they're gonna have to choose between you and Ultra. Also read my post above, you're invited too.
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| May 25, 2011, 9:04 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Quoting Nick Shelton Chile...

Looks like they're gonna have to choose between you and Ultra. Also read my post above, you're invited too.

No doubt that Ultra will say that they choose him, because he's more "free" or what not. Even though we're the same.
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| May 25, 2011, 9:22 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
No doubt that Ultra will say that they choose him, because he's more "free" or what not.

Probably will say that.
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| May 25, 2011, 9:34 pm
Namibia's 200 M60's are now on their way to DEUTSCHLAAAAAND

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Sorry, couldn't help myself. :P
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| May 25, 2011, 9:40 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Probably will say that.

Yea, because Ultra is a -respectable person- dirty commie.
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| May 25, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Quoting Thomas N
The Baltic Union and satellite state Namibia (@ Evan, id there some way to mark that on the map? I'm not integrating it, but I would like it marked as a sat. state) have decided to initiate a new regional defense policy in light of more recent events.

Ugh. Yes, there is. Time consuming as all He|| though.

If Diagonal stripes mean integration, couldn't we use Horizontal and vertical stripes to mean other things?

Otherwise, what's the time consuming way?
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| May 25, 2011, 10:46 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
White outline representing de jure independence, with the interior filled in your color.

Ooh, does sound tricky...
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| May 25, 2011, 11:12 pm
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In China today:
-With the production and selling of MT-1s plus variants running along nicely, investigations into naval designs has begun, and so has the production of two replacement Arketers.
-Mongolia re-integration is going smoothly too. There have been scattered dissenters in the rural parts, but the main population centers and industrial zones seem to be happy to become a part of something bigger.
-Armor research for a new breed of tanks continues, given the MT-4s less than expected performance against our European counterparts. It was a stop-gap anyway.

Quoting Ultramarine .
It's got a 140mm rifled gun, which has been combat proven to be rather effective one-shot-kills for the HAT-1 MkII (According to the actual CR, don't blame me, I didn't make it up).


If it uses HAT-1 armor, how does it block shells that can easily one-shot a HAT-1? I am confused.
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| May 25, 2011, 11:19 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
If it uses HAT-1 armor, how does it block shells that can easily one-shot a HAT-1? I am confused.

Hello, disruptors 'disrupt' things. It's like chicken wire. A pitbull will tear you to pieces, but you wrap yourself in chicken wire, that pitbull will not be able to touch you, will it?

The HAT-1 armor mix is just for the smaller stuff.
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| May 25, 2011, 11:50 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Hello, disruptors 'disrupt' things. It's like chicken wire. A pitbull will tear you to pieces, but you wrap yourself in chicken wire, that pitbull will not be able to touch you, will it?

The HAT-1 armor mix is just for the smaller stuff.


Ah, I thought you were referring to the tank itself... I'll have to look into these disruptors.

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| May 25, 2011, 11:56 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Ah, I thought you were referring to the tank itself... I'll have to look into these disruptors.

I have them on the front of the M90 as well. Don't know how well they will do when they're put into combat, but they aren't the major part they are to the M6.
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| May 25, 2011, 11:57 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
None of the new members seem to be that active unfortunately, something I hope will change.


I will try to be more active, but what goes on here?

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| May 26, 2011, 10:33 am
Australia is planning an invasion of Micronesia, for a Group of military outposts farther out into the Pacific. The invasion will begin this weekend or net week, and be launched from New Bismarck for short supply lines. Further information will be released later today or tomorrow.
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| May 26, 2011, 10:49 am
Quoting Ian Macdonald

I'm not a euro, but I'm always looking to make friends! So i'm gonna go ahead and tell you I LOVE your outfit!
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| May 26, 2011, 2:41 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
In the SC...

Our Cuban neighbors and all nations in North America are being invited to Joint Armor Training in Brazil, starting on Friday. It will be structured similarly to the Russians earlier this month.

The Caribbean Union accepts this invitation, and we will be sending our I Armored Brigade to Brazil for this event.
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| May 26, 2011, 3:10 pm
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Quoting Ian Macdonald

As Hungary was part of the CEEEC (Central/Eastern European Economic Cooperative) with the Baltic Union (Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania on the map), and NPCs: Poland and the Czech Republic, we feel obliged to re-extend the hand of diplomacy and economic cooperation to the whole of the RSS.

We look forward to building strong ties with our new eastern neighbors, as good as the ties we had with Hungary were before.
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| May 26, 2011, 4:18 pm
Quoting Matt P

On your invasions, I hope Wake isn't one of the targets because I think one of the Americans has it.
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| May 26, 2011, 5:02 pm
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Quoting henry wang
On your invasions, I hope Wake isn't one of the targets because I think one of the Americans has it.

Micronesia consists of: The Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, and Fiji. None of which are claimed.
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| May 26, 2011, 5:11 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

AGAIN. I SAY THAT YOUR MK. Is HAVE NO SPECIAL ARMOR DESIGN!
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| May 26, 2011, 5:30 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Quoting Ultramarine

AGAIN. I SAY THAT YOUR MK. Is HAVE NO SPECIAL ARMOR DESIGN!


Nick, you don't need to lose any sleep over this. After all, I can guarantee that no matter what Ultra says, having an armor blend won't change anything. The HAT-1/2 is clearly designed to be a solid slab of armor, a rolling fortress, for example. The M90 that Ultra has, or the M6, will never have the defensive prowess as the HATs. Also, when has the composition of armor ever been taken into direct account by the CM? The only things that I ever see are offhanded comments on how usually "The HAT-s armor allowed them to survive multiple hits..." Notice how it doesn't say armor blend XYZ made it better than this which had armor blend ABC.

In short, this armor theft is useless and an unneccessairy sideshow that is just creating spam and more hard feelings. If Ultra wants to build a supertank, then he can, but until then his tank will remain more vulnerable than your tanks.

(Notes that this is only my opinion and not necessarily that of the other admins).

Lesson is- if you want something to have godly armor, design it that way, rather than slapping it on. If its reflected in the design, likely the CM will say that its better in that aspect.
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| May 26, 2011, 5:48 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

It's just annoying to see someone do that, and when I notify them of it they say "Nobody believes you."
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| May 26, 2011, 6:14 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Ey, Awe, check your FM.


Understood, I'll talk to Ian about it.

Today in the Kaoxiang Empire:
-Reintegration of Mongolia goes according to our design. Dissenters will be given a choice to go to somewhere not in China, or to stay and be good little subjects. It's an economic opportunity of a lifetime! Get a job, get an income, get a future! What's there to lose?
-The keels for a new heavy cruiser type of ship have been laid down. It'll be mainly for patrolling our waters, and fire support in naval engagements.
-Development of a new tank goes on.
-Development of a few new planes goes on.

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| May 26, 2011, 6:48 pm
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Quoting Ian Macdonald


This would be an excellent plan. The RSS will gladly fulfill any previous economic contracts. Though we reserve the right to refuse, if the terms are untenable.

We won't ask you to make any sort of defense pact or alliance, the whole spirit of the CEEEC is to foster a spirit of economic cooperation among countries in the Central/Eastern European region, with the ultimate goal of improving the economies of countries in Eastern Europe. Which are, as you probably know, not the best...

The only non-economic cooperation elements involve things concerning overlapping law and order matters such as fugitives crossing national borders. So if any Baltic Criminals cross into your lands, you would be expected to assist with capture.

Nothing really committing though.

For example, I certainly won't ask you to take my side in the Russo-Byzantine conflict. Such requests would not be in the spirit of things. I rather suspect that Evan's FM to Awe concerns your standing on said conflict, and I have no wish to back you into a corner. I am a very friendly guy.

You're free to make your own decisions.
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| May 26, 2011, 7:01 pm

Quoting henry wang
On your invasions, I hope Wake isn't one of the targets because I think one of the Americans has it.

No, just the Federated States of Micronesia. I've done some research, and am positive none of the places are occupied by other nations.

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| May 26, 2011, 7:10 pm
So I finished my battleship. Thought vaguely about shelling something, but it's not worth the effort.
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| May 26, 2011, 7:58 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Actually, it consists of the fact that 1) I apologized deeply for not being here due to illness when he joined, and 2) that since the admins agreed at the beginning of the group, to not re-do the shenanigans that happened when Erik lost territory he was de facto in control of (Algeria), that we wouldn't let new members claim countries that had been solidly established as "satellite states" of others, so in this case, Croatia and Slovenia being members of SEECP.

I'm just covering all of my bases.

And it seems Matt OK'd this one? Or will Ian need to start elsewhere?
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| May 26, 2011, 10:20 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Matt OK'd it, he didn't know. I've been basically taking control of both small countries since November, so I'd rather not lose them. Would it be the end of the world, no? But, it'd still prefer to keep them, as they're my only land link to Italy.

So does that mean he keeps it or no?

Speaking of Italy, isn't Shock gone?
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| May 26, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I'd prefer he not, but I haven't been able to get in touch with him yet.

On Italy, Shock handed over full control to me about a month or so back, but I felt that was pretty gamey, so I'm kind of leaving it as is, letting its' military re-equip to my standards, the normal fun stuff. Haven't decided whether I'll release it as an NPC nation yet.

Hm. I can see your point. If someone tried to come in as Poland I wouldn't be very happy either.
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| May 26, 2011, 11:15 pm
Sorry for my slight absence to anyone. But with news in the Caucasus, if there is any escalation of an Eastern European conflict then the Caucasus Republic will remain neutral.

@ Ultramarine- Your shipment will arrive soon, the merchant ship has left the Mediterranean. I expect the planes to arrive in our Western Port of Batumi or somewhere around that area.

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| May 26, 2011, 11:50 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

A number of laws were overturned from the old Confederation today. One of the more interesting one, illustrating wonderfully the espirit de corps, was a law that made breaking up with a boyfriend or divorcing a husband in a time of war punishable by imprisonment. The reasons were to stop the negative effects on morale that this act would have, but was rather obscure.

The generals on the former High Command petitioned successfully for the creation of a War Department. Most of the men will serve, though in a civilian fashion with several new members. In addition to the current projects under development, a Macon-class carrier has been commissioned, nuclear boilers with capacity for 30 aircraft. 4 of this type are planned.

Boeing has manufactured 25 of the old DHC-5 Buffalos from de Havilland to ease the transport requirements. Of course, officially they're civilian, and is not in anyway to be confused with any aircraft that might have borne that name in a military role. Not at all.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Forrestal carriers...

Not to burst your bubble, Nick, but it appears that of the 4 Forrestal-class carriers built, I bought the only two not stricken/scrapped from the ACU. One is a museum ship in WA, the other two were back east. As for the Independence, she was rejected even as being a potential museum ship because of "...Recycling of parts and the poor material condition of the ship at the time she was withdrawn..." As for the Ranger, well, have fun with her like I did the Lexington. In other words, there ain't a working part aboard that poor museum ship.

Quoting Luke M.
@ Ultramarine- Your shipment will arrive soon, the merchant ship has left the Mediterranean. I expect the planes to arrive in our Western Port of Batumi or somewhere around that area.

I sent them a few days ago, I'll accept the ships when they come! Thank you again.
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| May 27, 2011, 12:35 am
Quoting Matt P
No, just the Federated States of Micronesia. I've done some research, and am positive none of the places are occupied by other nations.

Hmm...
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| May 27, 2011, 5:15 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Anything and everything not related to the map or technology purchases/trades. Just scroll up a bit and read some of the comments, should give you the gist of it.


Okay to start it off:
- The Republic of Singapore's GDP is currently 682 billion (combined estimate)

- The main commercial port in the capital (Singapore) is being upgraded to accommodate more cargo and ships due to an increase of incoming ships from Sabah and Sarawak.

- Oil refineries in brunei are also being upgraded to increase production.

- The Singapore goverment has approved of the creation of a Military agency that would coordinate and command the SAF. This agency is to be named S.H.I.E.L.D. (Stragetic Headquaters for Inteligence, Espionage, Logistics and Defence)

- Production of the Genesis Amphibious Assult ships are almost complete, with the last ship, RSS Legion, due to be complete by the end of June.

- A full Amphibious Tatical Assult Joint Training Exercise will be conducted near Sarawak on Sunday. This JTE will increase the levels of cooperation between the RSA Regiments stationed in Borneo and the RSN.

- The Republic of Singapore is looking forward to starting diplomatic ties with nearby nations such as Australia and the Indo-Union :)
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| May 27, 2011, 11:24 am
Today in the RAS...

-Jobs have opened up in zambia for the building of the "Great wall"
-Vehicle production goes on as planned
-The RAS has just established the Angola Special operations unit, or ASO. These soldiers will be the Angolan equivelent to the SEALS, only the best will be chosen for this elite unit.
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| May 27, 2011, 2:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine Carriers

My bad. The article listed a Forrestal so I thought all of them were Forrestals. It turns out that I own two Forrestals, and here's the kicker, TWO KITTY HAWKS!

And with the way you upgrade your carriers, I wouldn't trust a chair to be placed on the flight deck, let alone craft. I'm upgrading mine for a third-party, actually.
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| May 27, 2011, 5:37 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And with the way you upgrade your carriers, I wouldn't trust a chair to be placed on the flight deck, let alone craft.

Let us not confuse combat moderator ineptitude with upgrading skills...
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| May 27, 2011, 6:24 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Let us not confuse combat moderator ineptitude with upgrading skills...

Proof:

When Ultra doesn't get his victory, he blames the CM and says they're biased towards me. But when he does get a victory, I do not complain past saying I didn't do as well as I expected I would. I simply change tactics. Stop acting like a child, and start acting like the early-20s aged person you are, Ultramarine.
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| May 27, 2011, 6:47 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Proof:

When Ultra doesn't get his victory, he blames the CM and says they're biased towards me. But when he does get a victory, I do not complain past saying I didn't do as well as I expected I would. I simply change tactics. Stop acting like a child, and start acting like the early-20s aged person you are, Ultramarine.

And BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
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| May 27, 2011, 7:02 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Proof:

When Ultra doesn't get his victory, he blames the CM and says they're biased towards me. But when he does get a victory, I do not complain past saying I didn't do as well as I expected I would. I simply change tactics. Stop acting like a child, and start acting like the early-20s aged person you are, Ultramarine.

Oh and all those remarks towards the CM saying we're biased towards Ultra didn't exist. Both of you two were equally guilty of complaining about being biased. I laugh when you say change tactics, by change tactics did you mean yell at us and complain that your mocs are the best.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:11 pm
Egypt and Pakistan would like to request to play in Brazil's little game. We'll be entering our Giga War Chariot, our upgraded Abrams, some of the MT-1s we received, and Pakistan's Al-Khalid II tanks.

We hope to test our flying column idea with all our MT-variants here, I've been very excited to do so ever since I've come up with it
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| May 27, 2011, 7:14 pm
Quoting henry wang
Oh and all those remarks towards the CM saying we're biased towards Ultra didn't exist. Both of you two were equally guilty of complaining about being biased. I laugh when you say change tactics, by change tactics did you mean yell at us and complain that your mocs are the best.

Equally guilty? HOW ABOUT NO. I NEVER told the CMs that they were being biased. I simply said that it was strange how a competent fighting force was being beat back by tanks with weaker guns, and weaker armor, when my tanks had more support on their side. It's like my men weren't even trying, even when their morales were high. It wasn't adding up to me.

Ultra, on the other hand, complained after EVERY COMBAT REPORT. Even when he had clear victories! He said 'Not that many should have died' or 'I see how Nick gets better treatment' and stuff like that. He's the reason why most of the Combat Moderators left. Tom left because of him. Ham left because of him, and then Tom left a second time because of him. It's all his fault why we didn't have competent Mods for this war (I'm looking at Henry), simply because he can't accept losses.

Now, now, some of you will say that putting all the blame on Ultra is too harsh. That I had a part in it. I did. However, my part was so minuscule compared to his, you couldn't see it on a pie chart. He is simply being a massive baby about his Reports, and it reflects badly on his age on how he acts.

Yo that's it that's my rhyme. We outta here. WEST BERLIN.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:21 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Egypt and Pakistan would like to request to play in Brazil's little game. We'll be entering our Giga War Chariot, our upgraded Abrams, some of the MT-1s we received, and Pakistan's Al-Khalid II tanks.

We hope to test our flying column idea with all our MT-variants here, I've been very excited to do so ever since I've come up with it

Accepted. I'll need you to FM me numbers and links to your vehicles used.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:24 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Accepted. I'll need you to FM me numbers and links to your vehicles used.

Got it.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:31 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Ok, so your complaints about the last report(aka how your plans all failed), the cool down, and your constant flaunting about how your vehicles didn't exist. You were complaining against what was agreed upon by the mods, and you kept on trying to push your agenda. I think when it came down to the end you guys still complained and complained just about everything. Then you guys even went as far as whining that Ultra did XYZ and he did that and that, even though he did none of the things that he stated. For example the Muslim argument was a complete fantasy.

Not to mention that you were trying to claim everyone's tank was bad because they had "smaller" weaponry.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:34 pm
Quoting henry wang
Ok, so your complaints about the last report(aka how your plans all failed), the cool down, and your constant flaunting about how your vehicles didn't exist. You were complaining against what was agreed upon by the mods, and you kept on trying to push your agenda. I think when it came down to the end you guys still complained and complained just about everything. Then you guys even went as far as whining that Ultra did XYZ and he did that and that, even though he did none of the things that he stated. For example the Muslim argument was a complete fantasy.

Not to mention that you were trying to claim everyone's tank was bad because they had "smaller" weaponry.

The Muslims did happen. You can't just say it didn't happen, Ultra. And everyone's tank DOES have smaller weaponry compared to the HAT-1.

And I'm pushing my agenda because it's the truth, and Ultramarine will not accept it. I tell him something, and he says that nobody, mainly him, believes me anymore so it gives him a free pass about everything he wants to do concerning PCU.

Also, quote from Ultra concerning the Admins: 'Erik likes it, Evan doesn't like you, and Matt couldn't care less.'

Erik is an alliance with Ultra, Evan doesn't like me it seems, and Matt doesn't take sides anymore. If Admins are going to run the group based on whatever side they belong to, then I no longer want to be apart of the 2037 Universe due to the members by the name of Erik, Evan, and Ultra, for they have literally wrecked all the fun this group was based on.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:41 pm
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In Koaxiang:
-The government of India has recently collapsed. We had nothing to do with it. However, a particularly strong group in Kerala has caught our attentions... (AKA, Evan made Ian move out from RSS, now he's down in India) We offer full support for the re-unification efforts.
-Mongolia reintegration continues. One by one, the provinces kneel. Some willingly, others with armed men being persuasive.
-Production of the new ships has begun.
-Production of the orders from the IDU continues on.
-Development of the improved armor and improved tank using lessons learned continues on.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:48 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

Ok, when have any of the admins done anything biased towards you? Never, on the issue of tanks, hypothetical. I mount a 500mm gun on a box, will it crush everything? No, battles are based on moc quality, and Matt's tanks are one of the best tanks in the game. If we went by your way, the MAF-2 would be equal with every fighter because they are all fighters and have equal attributes. So, the only reason why you had advantages in some places and disadvantages in others is because of moc quality.

What's to say Ultra's points weren't the truth? You both equally believe that you are 100% right 100% of the time. Sometimes both of you guys need to calm down and let each other speak before you get into huge arguments over nothing.

Also on the Muslim thing, find where exactly he said anything to do with Muslims. You guys just assume since he's a conservative that he's going to hate all religions, well maybe Muslims love the WR, you have no evidence to state otherwise.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:51 pm
Quoting henry wang
Ok, when have any of the admins done anything biased towards you? Never, on the issue of tanks, hypothetical. I mount a 500mm gun on a box, will it crush everything? No, battles are based on moc quality, and Matt's tanks are one of the best tanks in the game. If we went by your way, the MAF-2 would be equal with every fighter because they are all fighters and have equal attributes. So, the only reason why you had advantages in some places and disadvantages in others is because of moc quality.

What's to say Ultra's points weren't the truth? You both equally believe that you are 100% right 100% of the time. Sometimes both of you guys need to calm down and let each other speak before you get into huge arguments over nothing.

Also on the Muslim thing, find where exactly he said anything to do with Muslims. You guys just assume since he's a conservative that he's going to hate all religions, well maybe Muslims love the WR, you have no evidence to state otherwise.

I know that the MAF-2 will take losses. I know that my HAT-1 will take losses. The MAF-2 isn't perfect. The HAT-1 has a slow-moving turret is only used in defensive matters, and in sieges. MOC Quality, you say? I know that, dunce. That's why I attempt to make my creations as good as they possibly can be.

Also, I never said the Admins were being biased. I'm just saying that if Ultra is going to say that he's right because two Admins support him on all of his matters, I won't play the game because it's simply not fair.

ON MUSLIMS: Ultra rounded up all of his Muslims and sent them off. However, he said it didn't happen and blamed it all on the Liberals, because he's a Conservative who thinks McCain should've won. It's not fair, and I don't stand for it.

Also, Henry, if you want to start running around and playing Police on Ultra and I, it's probably because I'm black isn't it?
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| May 27, 2011, 7:59 pm
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Quoting henry wang
Also on the Muslim thing, find where exactly he said anything to do with Muslims. You guys just assume since he's a conservative that he's going to hate all religions, well maybe Muslims love the WR, you have no evidence to state otherwise.


It was probably the part where he said he was going to deport them if they wanted to go, and limit their ability to assembly and whatnot a while back, after Cliffe's facepalm-Jihad.

To be fair, he did go back on this stuff, so it technically didn't happen (the same way Nick never technically forced women into immorality). I don't know 'bout y'all, but I stick to my stories.
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| May 27, 2011, 7:59 pm
I'm not trying to police you two, all I'm saying is that you guys don't need to start arguing every minute of every day. You guys argue more now than you did during the war.

I just wanted to point out that both of you guys are equally guilty of complaining, and none of you should be lecturing the other about complaining.
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| May 27, 2011, 8:04 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

Erik is an alliance with Ultra, Evan doesn't like me it seems, and Matt doesn't take sides anymore. If Admins are going to run the group based on whatever side they belong to, then I no longer want to be apart of the 2037 Universe due to the members by the name of Erik, Evan, and Ultra, for they have literally wrecked all the fun this group was based on.

Firstly, the only ties I have with Ultra are those concerned with Israel. Outside of the Jewish state, I couldn't care less what he does or how he does it; the Americas don't concern me and I wouldn't put my boots on American soil for the sake of anyone but myself. Secondly, Evan doesn't like the continuous bantering that occurs between Ultra and yourself; I don't think anyone does. The fun of this group has declined due to the spamming of childish circumlocution concerning affairs long dead. Lastly, the killjoys you listed haven't done anything to limit any of the players. You may deem us in negative light, but we all play on even fields with equal opportunity to gain the upper hand. Now, if you have any more complainants, I'm more than willing to address them.
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| May 27, 2011, 8:05 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Firstly, the only ties I have with Ultra are those concerned with Israel. Outside of the Jewish state, I couldn't care less what he does or how he does it; the Americas don't concern me and I wouldn't put my boots on American soil for the sake of anyone but myself. Secondly, Evan doesn't like the continuous bantering that occurs between Ultra and yourself; I don't think anyone does. The fun of this group has declined due to the spamming of childish circumlocution concerning affairs long dead. Lastly, the killjoys you listed haven't done anything to limit any of the players. You may deem us in negative light, but we all play on even fields with equal opportunity to gain the upper hand. Now, if you have any more complainants, I'm more than willing to address them.

Then I'll stop, but only if Ultra agrees that he does not have a classified Armor Mix. That's really all I'm concerned about. His Mk. I plans didn't have armor mix in them, only Mk. IIs have those.
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| May 27, 2011, 8:08 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Then I'll stop, but only if Ultra agrees that he does not have a classified Armor Mix. That's really all I'm concerned about. His Mk. I plans didn't have armor mix in them, only Mk. IIs have those.

He never had either mix, just the ingredients for them. The exact ratios and math go unknown. If both Awe and yourself state that the armor of the Mk. I is simply layer upon layer of thick whatever-material, then neither the Admins nor he can say otherwise. However, there is much discretion as to the validity and truthfulness of y'all saying it's just thick armor. I know if I were backed into a corner, I'd try to leave some ambiguity in my previous comments to make up stories; however, that could just be me. I think you understand the concerns around the subject, so I won't go on.
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| May 27, 2011, 8:14 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
He never had either mix, just the ingredients for them. The exact ratios and math go unknown. If both Awe and yourself state that the armor of the Mk. I is simply layer upon layer of thick whatever-material, then neither the Admins nor he can say otherwise. However, there is much discretion as to the validity and truthfulness of y'all saying it's just thick armor. I know if I were backed into a corner, I'd try to leave some ambiguity in my previous comments to make up stories; however, that could just be me. I think you understand the concerns around the subject, so I won't go on.

The thing is, Awe made the Mk. I in RA-CAS-UEN, but in this group's canon it was made Pre-2023. The armor mix was designed and came up with AFTER the Mk. I was made, which in group time was 21st Century World. The Mk. II was made for this group, so it had the armor mix. The Mk. I did not. Ultra has the Mk. I plans, so he does not (let me repeat this for you. DOES NOT) have the armor design! Yet, he keeps making comments that he does!
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| May 27, 2011, 8:21 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Accepted. I'll need you to FM me numbers and links to your vehicles used.

If it's at all possible, I would like to test my new "Shaka" MBT in this ecsersize, I want to mske sure it's reliable before I send it into battle.
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| May 27, 2011, 8:51 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, quote from Ultra concerning the Admins: 'Erik likes it, Evan doesn't like you, and Matt couldn't care less.'

I will say nothing except that that remark is taken out of a specific context.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

It was probably the part where he said he was going to deport them if they wanted to go, and limit their ability to assembly and whatnot a while back, after Cliffe's facepalm-Jihad.

Indeed, that was the case. However, I said from the very beginning that I would say it didn't happen if the admins came down with a decision to say that they couldn't be used like that. So, I kept my end of the bargain, and it's not good enough for anyone, ever.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
However, there is much discretion as to the validity and truthfulness of y'all saying it's just thick armor. I know if I were backed into a corner, I'd try to leave some ambiguity in my previous comments to make up stories; however, that could just be me. I think you understand the concerns around the subject, so I won't go on.

Thank you! A voice of reason at last. Very well, looks like we have the mix then. Like I said at the time, once you have the ingredients, it's really easy to find the proper ratios. Especially with modern technology. In a few years (if not already) you'll all learn a little about stress, strain, and other material properties. You can find the exact (or at least most desirable to you) mix based on how the chemicals & compounds combine and how they then behave. All this can be done on a computer, so it's very un-labor (is that a word?) intensive.
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| May 27, 2011, 9:16 pm
Quoting luke peterson
If it's at all possible, I would like to test my new "Shaka" MBT in this ecsersize, I want to mske sure it's reliable before I send it into battle.

I could do that... But they better get over here fast. But considering how few you may have, it could be a problem.
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| May 27, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I could do that... But they better get over here fast.

They'll be there in two days, and we'll try not to destroy any government property whil we're there.
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| May 27, 2011, 9:22 pm
Quoting luke peterson
They'll be there in two days, and we'll try not to destroy any government property whil we're there.

I can send some C-130s and such to help transport them, cause they need to be here tomorrow.
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| May 27, 2011, 9:55 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
I can send some C-130s and such to help transport them, cause they need to be here tomorrow.

For a pretty penny, the Union State can offer the use of our An-124s. Their larger cargo capacities could get the job done in fewer flights and the crews' military training would allow them to operate under emergency conditions so they could begin their runs in just a few short hours. Just throwing that out there . . .
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| May 27, 2011, 10:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine

You frakkin' dunce! You do not have the mix! It wasn't even in the Mk. I armor composites, so it is not under your control! What about that do you not understand!? It's not hard!
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| May 27, 2011, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
You frakkin' dunce! You do not have the mix! It wasn't even in the Mk. I armor composites, so it is not under your control! What about that do you not understand!? It's not hard!

I will engage in this superfluity no longer. I know what Matt told you, and more importantly I know what he did NOT tell you. Dr. S has said his word, if you can somehow con Awe into collaborating your ever-changing story, then I don't have the mix. Otherwise, as the man said, I've got it.

As Matt said, armor mix didn't ever factor into anything, the MkII included. So, while I don't particularly care, insomuch as mine are lighter and more maneuverable, and I wouldn't want to burden them. So, you are needlessly concerned. However, there are many interesting aspects that are yet to be revealed into that machine...
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| May 27, 2011, 11:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I will engage in this superfluity no longer. I know what Matt told you, and more importantly I know what he did NOT tell you. Dr. S has said his word, if you can somehow con Awe into collaborating your ever-changing story, then I don't have the mix. Otherwise, as the man said, I've got it.

As Matt said, armor mix didn't ever factor into anything, the MkII included. So, while I don't particularly care, insomuch as mine are lighter and more maneuverable, and I wouldn't want to burden them. So, you are needlessly concerned. However, there are many interesting aspects that are yet to be revealed into that machine...

WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. THEY ARE WRONG. THE MIX WAS NOT IN THE MK. I.
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| May 27, 2011, 11:31 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. THEY ARE WRONG. THE MIX WAS NOT IN THE MK. I.

As Dr. S has kindly observed and I have greatly indexed and categorized is that you are no longer a reliable and trustworthy source of information because of your daily story changes. Awe will have to be the one to say yay or nay. Not for me, it's what Dr. S said.
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| May 27, 2011, 11:42 pm
Quoting TheSpectre 117

- The Republic of Singapore is looking forward to starting diplomatic ties with nearby nations such as Australia and the Indo-Union :)

We look forward to trade as well as other military exercises with your country.

On the subject of Micronesia-
We are doing an amphibious landing on Chelbacheb, the largest island of Palau. The landing will be this weekend.

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| May 27, 2011, 11:43 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I'm getting tired of this bullsugar.

Myself as well...

Quoting Evan Melick
...and a bit of hit and miss trials should eventually net him the ability to build the HAT-1's armor, and apply it to his own tanks...

Ain't no hit and miss about it. Engineering all the way. However, like I stated, there is much other information to be gained. Things which seem innocuous and yet might win the war, so to speak.
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| May 28, 2011, 12:04 am
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Oh no. It just never ends does it...


Baltic News:

The Baltic Navy's Submarine fleet is undergoing a radical operations overhaul.

There are two new submarine bases being constructed in obscure places, and other people don't know where, but they are strategically convenient locations.

Thee are camouflage nets over these construction sites to prevent view by satellite. The trickery will remain in place (including measures to counteract visual, thermal, and all other types of satellite recon tech.), to make sure the location of the secret submarine bases remain undisclosed.


The collective economies of the five states of the Baltic Union are experiencing major gains in efficiency and size. The Union as a whole is proud to retain the title of largest group economic powerhouse, and through continuous expansion techniques, we aren't about to let anyone else's economy pass ours. So growth is continuous and fast-paced.
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| May 28, 2011, 12:07 am
/note:

I heard that moving a satellite off of its intended path would lessen it's orbit time by 50%. Is this true?
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| May 28, 2011, 12:18 am
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Embargoes have been put into place against the PCU by Congress. A mere formality, since no one conducted business with them anyway since who knows when, not above board that is. Out of a proposed budget of $3.5 trillion, defense has been given a healthy $1 trillion. That's nearly a third, but with the pure free enterprise system, and negligible government spending, it's not fanciful. States are given only what they need, and are largely responsible for taking care of the roads, fire, & police. Otherwise, the national government is responsible for protecting the rights of individuals, to ensure their rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's all the responsibility they need...

Mining goes on, forestry, factory work, and research. Law enforcement has been given a larger part, and a larger slice of the budget. International air traffic has once again been given the green light. However, with the very little international traffic there was, combined with things that happened earlier, lets just say the air industry isn't much for job security right now. Cargo carrying is the way to go. The new aircraft whipped up have been purchased by several industrial and mining companies. Carting ore, wood, rocks, oil, parts, and everything else you could possibly think of has provided quite the source of income and employment.

Fast food restaurants have started to make a comeback. Not significant, but it shows stability is returning. Recruitment posters are beginning to crop up places. A lot of young and eager lads are expressing interest in M6, but numbers for these very expensive super soldiers necessitate the numbers stay under 4,000. Up to 5,500 additional candidates will be considered, only 500 will be chosen.

Quoting Evan Melick
I don't care what you pull out of this. As long as you claim you have pulled information from it, Nick will claim that that you couldn't, but frankly, in my opinion, that's part of what makes the game interesting.

Why do you think there is only one person I'm going to announce it to? I have the components, there is no doubt of that from anything that has been said.

Quoting Evan Melick
Ultra, science is trial and error. It's going to take you time to come up with anything out of a list of what chemicals to throw together.

How do you come up with a good mix in the first place? Exactly the way I described. I misspoke, it isn't science, it's chemical engineering. I'm an engineer, I know what I'm talking about.

I already spent a few days/weeks doing that, and I got it figured out. As I already described the methodology in detail much, much earlier (like two ICFs ago) I won't go through it again. Suffice it to say it's not nearly as difficult as one might imagine, or as some are trying to suggest.
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| May 28, 2011, 1:30 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
/note:

I heard that moving a satellite off of its intended path would lessen it's orbit time by 50%. Is this true?

Only if you alter its periapsis, that is, expend fuel to lower one point of its orbit and move it closer to the earth.

Consequences: less time over that part of the world, fuel use, more rapid orbit degradation. The closer you are to the "true" atmosphere, the faster your orbit falls apart.

I seriously doubt you'd halve orbit time. Maybe reduce it by a fifth, for an extreme change, but not half. Unless you only wanted to get one more orbit out of the satellite before disposing of it anyway.
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| May 28, 2011, 4:00 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
I can send some C-130s and such to help transport them, cause they need to be here tomorrow.
Okay, thankyou.

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| May 28, 2011, 7:45 am
Embargoes have been placed onto the PCU, but the Governor didn't really all that much care. We'd like to see them try and enforce them.
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| May 28, 2011, 9:07 am
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Oh, note to any persons trying to smuggle operatives into the Republic: Just because we opened international air traffic doesn't mean we'll be letting international airlines just come and go as they please in our territory. We'll just leave it at that for now, we'll inform the CM for anything else.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Embargoes have been placed onto the PCU, but the Governor didn't really all that much care. We'd like to see them try and enforce them.

We can and will enforce them. Do you know what embargoes are? Obviously not. Look it up. Embargoes simply says that a specific nation will not trade with you and won't allow its citizens or companies to trade with you. It's basically a glorified boycott. I think it's funny how you leap to saying I can't before you even find out what it is that I'm doing. It's like it's a pre-programmed subroutine #1: "Must protest everything Ultramarine says regardless."

So yes, we will enforce it, and there's nothing you can do about it. So, that settles that.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:35 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
We can and will enforce them. Do you know what embargoes are? Obviously not. Look it up. Embargoes simply says that a specific nation will not trade with you and won't allow its citizens or companies to trade with you. It's basically a glorified boycott. I think it's funny how you leap to saying I can't before you even find out what it is that I'm doing. It's like it's a pre-programmed subroutine #1: "Must protest everything Ultramarine says regardless."

So yes, we will enforce it, and there's nothing you can do about it. So, that settles that.

I know what an embargo is, I just confused it's enforcement with that of a blockade.

On you not letting you trade with me: Why would I care?
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| May 28, 2011, 10:45 am
In the SC...

The Cargo planes from the RAS along with our own came home early this morning transporting their tanks and tankers. They will be brought to the training grounds with the IDU, PCU, WR, CU's equipment and troops.
CRs will be due by 8:00 CST today.

Anyway, production continues and the military will be having fun this weekend. Also, certain things are happening in Western half of the SC.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:29 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
On you not letting you trade with me: Why would I care?

Congratulations, you've hit upon the cruxed of the matter. Like I said, it was a mere formality since it's not like we'd ever trade anyhow. You had to take it out of proportion, as always, though.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:36 am
I'm just wondering, since S'pore lacks both the funding and land space to build a satellite launch pad, is there any country nearby willing to help out? This network of satellites would be part of a new Integrated Defence Plan that when launched, would allow full inteligence and GPS coverage of the whole south east asia region. (This is to enforce the new anti-piracy law as yet another ship has been hijacked)
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| May 28, 2011, 12:47 pm
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Quoting TheSpectre 117
I'm just wondering, since S'pore lacks both the funding and land space to build a satellite launch pad, is there any country nearby willing to help out? This network of satellites would be part of a new Integrated Defence Plan that when launched, would allow full inteligence and GPS coverage of the whole south east asia region. (This is to enforce the new anti-piracy law as yet another ship has been hijacked)

If you can get them to fit on the rocket of a Minuteman III, you have yourself a launcher. Actually, White Sands Missile Base in NM should offer a good launch area. Just kidding about the Minuteman III, by the way. We'll be happy to do it, for a nominal fee.
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| May 28, 2011, 1:08 pm
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Quoting TheSpectre 117
I'm just wondering, since S'pore lacks both the funding and land space to build a satellite launch pad, is there any country nearby willing to help out? This network of satellites would be part of a new Integrated Defence Plan that when launched, would allow full inteligence and GPS coverage of the whole south east asia region. (This is to enforce the new anti-piracy law as yet another ship has been hijacked)


Oh, we in China can help out quite a bit, just as much as our... friends in the Western Republic can. Plus, we're a lot closer. Only a short boat ride through the South China Sea, instead of a weeks-long trip across the Pacific.
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| May 28, 2011, 1:21 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Only a short boat ride through the South China Sea, instead of a weeks-long trip across the Pacific.

It's less than 12 hours by plane. /Osnap!
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| May 28, 2011, 1:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
It's less than 12 hours by plane. /Osnap!

And only an hour or two to China by plane.
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| May 28, 2011, 2:04 pm
For all those involved in my little war-games, SPECIFIC ORDERS are required BY 9:00 CST. Nine o'clock Central Standard Time.

Send your FMs here:
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| May 28, 2011, 8:15 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Just to let everyone know, Cole has been kicked from the group due to inactivity. Have at Saudi Arabia kids.


This is where the fun begins...

The PCU has ended negotiations with Peru and Chile, concluding with them being brought under our wing as "proxy-states". They will not contribute troops to our efforts, but we will to theirs.
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| May 28, 2011, 8:40 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Have at Saudi Arabia kids.

Now we have the setting for the next major armed conflict.
In other news...
Troops deploying to Brazil for the training operation have been issued helmet/rifle mounted digital cameras for analytical purposes.
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| May 28, 2011, 8:43 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Just to let everyone know, Cole has been kicked from the group due to inactivity. Have at Saudi Arabia kids.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk
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| May 28, 2011, 8:56 pm
Talks between the IDU and Saudi Arabia have continued. Things went smoothly until civil and political rights came up- then we got suspicious. We know their past.

However we were surprised to be informed that they have considerably cleaned up their act. Recently they have become amazing tolerant towards other religions, have abolished their highly outdated laws.

Even more surprisingly, they proceeded to nearly beg to join our Union. Considering how highly conservative they are we knew we had to put a vote through first.

The vote was a unanimous "yay" to the Pharaoh's surprise. Today has been full of surprises.

Integration of Saudi Arabia into the union will begin very slowly and pryingly. We're very suspicious still. One of the conditions for their admittance into the union is that we comb the deserts and cities and search every nook and cranny for terrorists and radicals. We want them clean before we can have them.

We also had them close down all trade routes for at least one day so we can set ourselves up to monitor what comes in and out. We're paranoid about that, too.

Finally, we're securing their borders for similar reasons, as well as for defense. Despite how much Saudi Arabia has cleaned up their act, we doubt the rest of the world will be any less discomforted by their joining of the IDU.
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| May 28, 2011, 9:30 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Chile has received the first of the contracted shipments of ore and oil that they ordered from the Republic. Though trade will not be affected by the 'agreement' of whatever sort it was, such moves by the Pacific Union are frowned upon by the Republic. Not that that counts for much.

Israel has started license building the F-89, only a certain number more will be made in order to fulfill orders and no more. The first air superiority fighter they have, it has already become a national icon. By the way, an attack on Israel is an attack on us, since they're our turf in everything but name. Russia has no prohibitions on it, and anyone will be facing our combined might. No punches will be held; none. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks on your own. Take that anyway you like.

The Saudi Arabian situation will be carefully discussed with our co-protectors of Israel, the Russians. Our decision should be forthcoming.

Anyway, stuff goes on as usual.
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| May 28, 2011, 9:37 pm
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The Union State highly doubts Saudi Arabia would have just flipped its script so quickly. Although its former government has been deposed, royal ties make deep scars in the political system. Regardless, the Union State warns that if if Saudi Arabia's military power isn't significantly reduced, we will take action to reduce it. Because of the large pool of organized weaponry offered by the IDU, we see no reason Saudi Arabia should retain its reserves of modernized Western equipment and cooperatively trained personnel. We wish for its personnel to be halved granted the IDU's pool of active servicemen numbers nearly one and a half million; more than enough to protect the IDU's urban and rural populations. Of course we hope to come to an understanding diplomatically, but no time can be wasted when the regional balance of power is in question.

Also, our decision is in no way inspired by the Western Republic and our actions do not reflect theirs. Any retaliation from the Union State is exactly that; however, if Israel is targeted, we will act cooperatively with our American counterpart.
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| May 28, 2011, 9:38 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The Union State highly doubts Saudi Arabia would have just flipped its script so quickly. Although its former government has been deposed, royal ties make deep scars in the political system. Regardless, the Union State warns that if if Saudi Arabia's military power isn't significantly reduced, we will take action to reduce it. Because of the large pool of organized weaponry offered by the IDU, we see no reason Saudi Arabia should retain its reserves of modernized Western equipment and cooperatively trained personnel. We wish for its personnel to be halved granted the IDU's pool of active servicemen numbers nearly one and a half million. Of course we hope to come to an understanding diplomatically, but no time can be wasted when the regional balance of power is in question.

Also, our decision is in no way inspired by the Western Republic and our actions do not reflect theirs. Any retaliation from the Union State is exactly that; however, if Israel is targeted, we will act cooperatively with our American counterpart.

The Islamic Defense Union assures the Union State that all Saudi equipment will be moved out of the nation. We trust them with it only as much as you do.

Please explain your concerns about Saudi royal ties to government and the IDU will take the proper course.

As for Israel- in all honesty, their reputation causes us to fear them more than they fear us, I'm sure.
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| May 28, 2011, 9:50 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Islamic Defense Union assures the Union State that all Saudi equipment will be moved out of the nation. We trust them with it only as much as you do.

Please explain your concerns about Saudi royal ties to government and the IDU will take the proper course.

As for Israel- in all honesty, their reputation causes us to fear them more than they fear us, I'm sure.

The Saudi royal family has an array of heirs wishing to take the throne by any means necessary. With the former figurehead now removed, we fear that a fissure may occur amongst the numerous possible candidates for head position; therefore, leading to the possibility of mercenaries or separatists going at each others throats in the name of a prince or some other conniving individual. We commend you for your immediate use of COIN operations, but it may not be enough in a region renowned for its conservative, and sometimes volatile, behavior. We hope that the IDU will keep a joint security force in-country for some weeks so no one in Saudi Arabia begins acting rashly and without immediate consequence, but we cannot give a definite answer as to how to handle the situation. We'll be watching with close eyes and are willing to help in any way possible if things become a little much.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:01 pm
I need orders from Avalella, Cliffe and Luke (Peterson), there will be no CR until then.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:04 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I need orders from Avalella, Cliffe and Luke (Peterson), there will be no CR until then.

I don't know how to give orders that are any more specific unless I have intelligence.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:23 pm
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In Koaxiang China:
-The Strix-class battleship has been unveiled to the public: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/271449
It enters service today, so far we have one built, but more are on their way.
-Mongolia reintegration nearing completion. It's gone smoothly, and if you think otherwise, better get ready for a midnight knock.
-Production and development of stuff goes on.


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| May 28, 2011, 10:25 pm
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Under threats of extreme displeasure from multiple parties, including Israeli, Union State, and WR military action, Saudi Arabia has agreed to disarmament with the following concessions to several nations:
-3 Al Riyadh class frigates. Turned over to the Western Republic on credit.
-4 Al Medinah class frigates. Turned over to Israel.
-4 Badr class corvettes. Turned over to both Israel and the Western Republic on credit.
-250 M1A2 and A2S Abrams. Duly purchased by Western Republic.
-200 M2A2 Bradleys. Duly purchased by Western Republic.
-200 Panhard AML-60/90 armored cars. Duly purchased by Western Republic.

You guys can split up the rest...
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| May 28, 2011, 10:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Under threats of extreme displeasure from multiple parties, including Israeli, Union State, and WR military action, Saudi Arabia has agreed to disarmament with the following concessions to several nations:
-3 Al Riyadh class frigates. Turned over to the Western Republic on credit.
-4 Al Medinah class frigates. Turned over to Israel.
-4 Badr class corvettes. Turned over to both Israel and the Western Republic on credit.
-250 M1A2 and A2S Abrams. Duly purchased by Western Republic.
-200 M2A2 Bradleys. Duly purchased by Western Republic.
-200 Panhard AML-60/90 armored cars. Duly purchased by Western Republic.

You guys can split up the rest...

...what?

Saudi Arabia is now a member of the Islamic Defense Union, and its equipment is to be liquidated as we see fit. Nothing will be sent to the Western Republic.

The Egyptian Navy is being deployed to patrol our waters and Saudi Arabia's to make sure nothing gets out.

We will decide what to do with the Arabian equipment momentarily.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:39 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Under threats of extreme displeasure from multiple parties, including Israeli, Union State, and WR military action, Saudi Arabia has agreed to disarmament with the following concessions to several nations:
-3 Al Riyadh class frigates. Turned over to the Western Republic on credit.
-4 Al Medinah class frigates. Turned over to Israel.
-4 Badr class corvettes. Turned over to both Israel and the Western Republic on credit.
-250 M1A2 and A2S Abrams. Duly purchased by Western Republic.
-200 M2A2 Bradleys. Duly purchased by Western Republic.
-200 Panhard AML-60/90 armored cars. Duly purchased by Western Republic.

You guys can split up the rest...

How about we save Saudi and all of its equipment and resources for another member?

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| May 28, 2011, 10:39 pm
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OH LOOK, what uppity children, see them argue, see them learn? How I hate those pesky-peskies, how they make my stomach turn!
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| May 28, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
We will decide what to do with the Arabian equipment momentarily.

I don't believe you will. I'm not doing this without admin approval, you know. You honestly think any nation would just join you for the fun of it in two hours?
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| May 28, 2011, 10:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I don't believe you will. I'm not doing this without admin approval, you know. You honestly think any nation would just join you for the fun of it in two hours?

Saudi Arabia + Islamic Union = join. Do you understand how religious Saudi Arabia is? They'd want to join us to help defend their religion in a fraction of a heartbeat.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:44 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Saudi Arabia + Islamic Union = join. Do you understand how religious Saudi Arabia is? They'd want to join us to help defend their religion in a fraction of a heartbeat.

You also started negotiations with them a while back.

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| May 28, 2011, 10:45 pm
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The sale stands, unless you'd like to show me some sort of admin substantiation for your denial of my claims? To Erik: "Would it be improper to buy a bunch of stuff from them [Saudi Arabia]?...Since it's NPC, I figured it was up for grabs, but I didn't want to act out of line." Erik: "Seems perfectly legal to me; have at it."

Thank you, sir. I shall be by to pick up my wares in the morning.

Quoting Nick Shelton
You also started negotiations with them a while back.

It was player controlled at the time, and that player never reciprocated.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:49 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe They'd want to join us to help defend their religion in a fraction of a heartbeat.

Highly doubt that. Saudi Arabia has been in many an alliance before [Arab League, GCC, Muslim World League, etc.] and it's seen how ineffective each of them is. If you look at the present day happenings of Bahrain, the GCC was supposed to intervene as a combined security unit to subdue the civvies in uprising. However, due to the cooperative states' lack of organization, Saudi Arabia sent in troops under its own title and not of the GCC. I think it would draw some suspicion among the Saudi bureaucrats as to how effective to the IDU really is. And I'm pretty sure its conservative government is more worried about who is the new leader than which alliance has the prettiest name and offers the nicest things. There's obviously ambiguity as to actually "begged" to join your union seeing as though it was just released as an NPC a few hours ago. All too sketchy to me.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:51 pm
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Saudi Arabia wouldn't up and join another alliance within a few hours of the formal removal of its governing head. Please give it some time, even if just a week or so, its not like an NPC state which you had established close ties with.


The UNC itself is not overly concerned over these turns of events, as we have been weaning ourselves off of foreign oil since the beginning of its creation. However, we do fear a general conflict in the region due to these (un)surprising turn of events. The UNC seconds Russia's proposal for rundown of the Saudi military. We also second Russia's threat to do this the hard way.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:52 pm
If they won't join the IDU, would they willingly sell all of their best equipment to a state? No.

I say it should remain NPC for the remainder of the group.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:53 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
We also second Russia's threat to do this the hard way.


Thirded.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:55 pm
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We got pretty much all of the good stuff. >.>

At least what was worth buying.
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| May 28, 2011, 10:59 pm
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The Koaxiang Empire voices it's support for an independent and non-stripped of power Saudi state. We highly doubt they'll sit there and let y'all take their military.

"All it takes for good to triumph is for evil men to do nothing." -John Hood.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
We got pretty much all of the good stuff. >.>

At least what was worth buying.

That's what I have a problem with. You show up, "willingly" take all the good stuff, and then leave. It's like what you did with Denmark.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:02 pm
Saudi Arabia's military equipment is to be liquidated in this fashion-

All ground vehicles will go to the PCU.

The naval units will go to China.

One frigate will be sent to Israel as a gesture of goodwill.

Also, y'all seem to forget that I started negotiations with Saudi Arabia in APRIL.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
That's what I have a problem with. You show up, "willingly" take all the good stuff, and then leave. It's like what you did with Denmark.

And those ships went straight back, why am I telling you what you already know?

This time, however, I have admin approval. Unfortunately, it will also take an admin to overturn me, again...

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Saudi Arabia's military equipment is to be liquidated in this fashion-

*Sigh* I already bought that stuff, you know.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Also, y'all seem to forget that I started negotiations with Saudi Arabia in APRIL.

They were player-controlled, and they did not reciprocate.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Honestly, why can't we just let this nation go NPC for the rest of the group? Uncontrolled. It doesn't benefit either side, which is a good compromise.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:09 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Honestly, why can't we just let this nation go NPC for the rest of the group? Uncontrolled. It doesn't benefit either side, which is a good compromise.

I'm willing to put my Admin vote to this. Although I did authorize some sales to the WR granted I highly doubt Saudi Arabia, which was player controlled just some hours ago, would hop on the IDU bandwagon within a matter of minutes. If Saudi Arabia's sovereignty is broken as an untouchable NPC, including ridiculous sales, I'd take action myself.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:11 pm
Alright, I'm perfectly willing to let Saudi Arabia go as long as these two things happen-

-no one gets its equipment

-I get Mecca and Medina

-someone goes in there, stablizes the situation if it's rough, and kills every single last radical/wahabi/terrorist in there. I want them GONE.

EDIT: I basically want this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hejaz

Awe gave me the idea. :3
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| May 28, 2011, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

-I get Mecca and Medina

If it does go NPC, you don't get those, since that's part of Saudi Arabia...makes sense if you think about it.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:16 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
-I get Mecca and Medina

-someone goes in there, stablizes the situation if it's rough, and kills every single last radical/wahabi/terrorist in there. I want them GONE.


So you want Hejaz, eh? Fair to me and my biasedness. And if you need Arketer support...
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| May 28, 2011, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

-I get Mecca and Medina


No.
Erik and I have deliberated and decided that they best (and most logical) solution to these "instability" issues would be to create a Special International Zone out of Mecca, like the Vatican City. This, of course, will remain permanently NPC, no matter what future claims may be made for Saudi Arabia.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:17 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

-I get Mecca and Medina


No.
Erik and I have deliberated and decided that they best (and most logical) solution to these "instability" issues would be to create a Special International Zone out of Mecca, like the Vatican City. This, of course, will remain permanently NPC, no matter what future claims may be made for Saudi Arabia.

I like the idea of an international city, but I want the whole country to be NPC.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:18 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
If it does go NPC, you don't get those, since that's part of Saudi Arabia...makes sense if you think about it.

How can a true Islamic union function without Medina and Mecca?

In order to defend Islam, we have to secure safe pilgrimage of our faithful to these holy cities. We only trust ourselves in this matter.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:19 pm
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Bummer, wanted that hardware. Oh well, looks like no one gets it, at least.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:19 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I like the idea of an international city, but I want the whole country to be NPC.


Indeed, that too. So no Hejaz either.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:19 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Bummer, wanted that hardware. Oh well, looks like no one gets it, at least.

Which was what I was aiming for the whole time.

See, I'm not always a flamer.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:20 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

Indeed, that too. So no Hejaz either.

Like I said, we can only trust ourselves to secure safe annual pilgrimage of the Muslim faithful to Mecca.

I would like to work this out peacefully, but I just don't know how to do it.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:22 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Like I said, we can only trust ourselves to secure safe annual pilgrimage of the Muslim faithful to Mecca.

I propose a compromise. Mecca ceases to exist, one way or another. Problem? Solved.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:33 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I propose a compromise. Mecca ceases to exist, one way or another. Problem? Solved.


Destroy Mecca? Boi, that will start a holy war so great that Reformation conflicts will look like child's play.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:35 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Like I said, we can only trust ourselves to secure safe annual pilgrimage of the Muslim faithful to Mecca.

I would like to work this out peacefully, but I just don't know how to do it.

The Vatican sits in the middle of Rome and situated some distance inland in regards to Italy, but you don't see Roman Catholics being picked off as they make their "pilgrimage" granted Italy itself is Catholic. Seeing as though Mecca and Medina are in Muslim territory, there is no true threat to those cities. If need be the case, PDCs can be put in the city/cities just like the Swiss Guard in Vatican City.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:36 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
The Vatican sits in the middle of Rome and situated some distance inland in regards to Italy, but you don't see Roman Catholics being picked off as they make their "pilgrimage" granted Italy itself is Catholic. Seeing as though Mecca and Medina are in Muslim territory, there is no true threat to those cities. If need be the case, PDCs can be put in the city/cities just like the Swiss Guard in Vatican City.

It would be greatly appreciated, but we would somehow like to have an eye on things.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:45 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
It would be greatly appreciated, but we would somehow like to have an eye on things.


You may read the newspapers and check out news sources like Al Jazeera ;)
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| May 28, 2011, 11:48 pm
I present to you gentlemen, the first matchup of the Joint Armor Training hosted in the worderful former city of Mazatlan- now a military training grounds, after all the civvies were evacuated during the war to other places in Mexico.

Joint Training Report:
PCU V.S. WR

Initially, things went as planned for the WR with their M90s and M6s rolling through the city with their ASULTS by their side but they realized something was wrong. Very wrong. It started raining, not water but Cluster Bombs from the PCU's MAF-2s acting as CAS. At that same moment MT-3, -4, and -5s began to burst from cover and engage the remaining WR tanks and ASULTS with their large cannons, but the Western tankers wouldn't go down without a fight. With parts of the Northern half of the city and the whole western part under their control, the WR began to call in some M6 and M90s for help. While the backup was en-route they tried to hold off the PCU tanks off as long as they possibly could. With the smaller M6s darting around the streets they began to flank the PCU tanks battling the main force but were surprised to find a few MT-5s watching the rear. While the M6s repositioned to fire on the MT-5s, a few of their comrades on ASULTS began to show up. They were too late, however. With a "FWOOOOM" the MT-5s with their big HAT-1 guns took out a large part of the M6s. They proceeded to try and train their guns on the fast ASULTS firing TOWs on them, which had moderate effect due to their heavy armor, and a new toy- an APS. A score or so of ASULTS were blown to kingdom-Come, but the rest of their TOW-Firing friends were speeding off and soon out of the MT's line of sight. Back in the main part of the street, the M90s were slugging it out with the MT-3s and friends. Although they were outnumbered, the PCU tankers fought like tigers. The M90s, trapped in a block by destroyed tanks behind them and PCU tanks in front of them, certainly now appreciate their three-round burst cannons. The PCU tankers were finally overtaken by the WR's overwhelming odds and were forced to retreat to defensive posts made by their comrades in Puerta de Canoas. The WR bravely chased them the whole way, losing some of their number to the PCU's big guns and Air support. Although the PCU's tanks were lighter than HAT-1s they weren't as fast as the M6 and M90s, losing much of their number to the WR during their withdrawal. In the end, the matchup was considered a draw with the PCU having a firm hold on the Southeastern half of the city while the WR had a large percentage of the city but were losing tanks to the PCU's big guns and kill ratio of 1.5-1 favoring the Westerners.

Pretty good for my first CR? Anyway, the next matchup is the IDU V.S. The CU. That's gonna be promising good entertainment.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:49 pm
ME GUSTA.
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| May 28, 2011, 11:53 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
ME GUSTA.

Sí mi amigo. ¡Muchos gracias!
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| May 29, 2011, 12:01 am
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At 2200 hours today, a clandestine amphibious exercise was held on the island of Gotland. The Scandinavian OpFor was well dug in and held the skies for some time before a naval infantry brigade [based from one of our upgraded Mistrals] actually managed to touch the cold beach with amphibious tracked vehicles. The newly developed Sparvs managed to tame our PAK FAs sent to help soften up our foes. However, the opposing pilots have had little time to fiddle with their new birds, so we managed to force them back after scoring two kills on them and them three on us. Anyhow, our new AIFV Mk.II amphibious rigs proved well in regards to the fact that they rapidly moved four platoons of marines from ship to shore in less than twenty minutes of constant go-go-go under extreme fire from the sky and shoreline. Unfortunately, three vehicles were neutralized by ATGMs before they were able to gain more than thirty meters of ground. Two upgraded Zubr-class LCACs just barely managed to make the trip from an undisclosed location and offloaded some six Mk.IV tanks. This small, yet sophisticated batch of armour managed to secure a significant beachhead before smaller UACs reinforced the lines some sixty-four minutes after the mission was launched. Anyhow, the Mk.IVs continued with support from the AIFVs and other light-skinned vehicles into a neighboring village almost entirely unopposed [only eight marines were neutralized by sniper and sporadic LMG fire from the withdrawing Scandinavians]. However, once entering the village to clear it as a FOB, twelve C5A tanks were noticed entrenched along the hillside just a relatively short distance away. The smoothbored Mk.IVs managed to squeeze off two recently developed ATGMs getting first-kill on both targeted vehicles; reducing the enemy to ten tanks. One C5 scored a longshot on a Russian AIFV Mk.II caught mobilizing amongst the tanks. In retaliation, several infantry groups in the village began firing FFMs [fire-'n'-forget missiles] at the Wolves. Once all was said and done, four Mk.IVs remained relatively unscathed while one was missing its engine block and the other bogged down and destroyed. The enemy left with only five of its twelve tanks; the forced retreat was caused by local Scandinavians calling in CAS in the form of Gripens to finish off the engagement and due to the fact their casualty rate was much larger than our own with minimal hope of recovery. Still, even this [the CAS] did little to deter our marines as the aforementioned light-skinned vehicles carried several MANPADS and shot one of the four Gripens from the sky after they took another Mk.IV, two AIFVs, and several patrol vehicles out. After two hours in the village, it was secured with every house breached and cleared. A central command center was established and more reinforcements were called in to alleviate the casualties sustained. This was deemed a victory for the Russian marines. A secondary exercise will continue through the night with a follow-up report as well.
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| May 29, 2011, 12:41 am
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The UNC Defense Department has a few military updates that they released tonight:
As of 2037/05/29, the following changes have been made
-C5A production has been ceased, with all newbuilds being C5A1s, which will have an unveiling shortly (still Arctic camo, unfortunately)
-JAS-43 Sparvs are still delayed, but the final number of them has been settled on a whopping 350, replacing all Gripens, F18s, and F16s that we still use.
-The C106 has undergone a name change, from GPMRV to MRGPV. Production will continue
-An ADATS system is being developed for use on the C220 Chassis
-Speaking of the C220, the final electronic packages are being installed to ensure cannon accuracy as well as improve ATGM performance
-Various ships for various countries are now in the drydocks.


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| May 29, 2011, 1:10 am
Quoting Evan Melick
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_spaceport

I'm sure it'll happen by 2036, or at least be started. Methinks you've at least got civilian facilities you can somewhat modify.



Although it has been scheduled, we still lack funding as this was a joint development project between many other countries.

In other news:
-The Amphibious Tatical Assult Joint Training Exercise has begun at the border region of Sarawak at 0600 hours today. During the landings, an unknown object hit the port side of the RSS Last Summit, an Auxiliary docking ship, and exploded, wounding 3 sailors. Satellite images shows s small boat heading off in the direction of the indonesian islands, Bangka–Belitung Islands. We are currently investigating this incident as any attack on s'pore territory would be an act of war. The JTE will go on as planned.

- S'pore's SHIELD has unveiled plans for a new Missile frigate. It will feture the SLAM (Ship Launched Area Munitions) and TaSTES (Tatical Satellite Targetin Electromagnetic System)

(I am wondering, is Ton Clancy's Endwar tech (such as the Kinetic Strike) allowed here? I have certain MOC stuff with that sort of tech waiting to be uploaded)
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| May 29, 2011, 1:34 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Mhm, I'd say its' about the size and tonnage of a supercarrier, so seven weeks construction time from start to finish, same a supercarrier.


I doth protest. This isn't no Iowa class, this is more comparable to this ship here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_class_cruiser

That's only about a third of the length of a Nimitz supercarrier.
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| May 29, 2011, 1:43 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Alright, so instead of the 7 weeks for a large carrier, go with the 6 weeks for large cruisers/small carriers.


Fair enough. What about destroyers?
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| May 29, 2011, 2:01 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Kinetic Strike as in what exactly?


As in an orbital satellite fitted with missiles (or used as a missile) to target specific targets from cities or enemy bunkers to small targets like houses or bases.
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| May 29, 2011, 2:09 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Four weeks.


Excellent... My new fleet should be finished between June 18th and July 2nd then. Now to photograph that destroyer!
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| May 29, 2011, 2:19 am
Quoting Evan Melick
No. Nothing in space can be weaponized, except for kill units/suicide satellites used to kamikazi ASAT missiles, or other satellites.


The satellite would not fire a explosive missile but a rocket containing a lead/tungsten dart. (this is because any computer or electric opperated device would be fried when entering the atmosphere)
It would be like throwing an guided anvil out of a plane on to a house directly below.
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| May 29, 2011, 2:31 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
I do look forward to it. Does the Hydra have some competition I see? :o


I don't know, you decide. The Fringilla-class, everyone:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5770279165/in/photostream

Coming soon to a China near you!
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| May 29, 2011, 2:38 am
Quoting Evan Melick
...I know... Nothing can be weaponized, except what I just said above. We dealt with rods from God and railgun satellites in the last group and they were far more headache then they were worth.


Okay. Then air-dropped weapons like this are allowed right?
Oh yea...are railguns, WMDs, land mines and Anthrax allowed?
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| May 29, 2011, 2:42 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Liking the design, but you're right, a tad chubby. I see that the hull is SNOT, but how do you attach each side?


I'll get you a picture tomorrow, it's a bit complex to explain. Especially nearing midnight, my brain goes from practical to abstract right about now.
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| May 29, 2011, 2:42 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Like what? If you are referring to those satellite launched kinetic missiles, no, they are not, as I said. Railguns are not, landmines, go for it if you want. WMD's and Anthrax, use at your own risk, but it's generally accepted the entire world will invade you if you do.

No-one invaded Cliffe when he used his gheybomb..
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| May 29, 2011, 4:24 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
No-one invaded Cliffe when he used his gheybomb..


Because it was too stupid be be a serious threat.
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| May 29, 2011, 9:47 am
Quoting CherokeeKly .
Today, 740 Marines were spotted off the coast of Antartica. NROF is supposedly establishing a Sub base there.

That would be a violation of the Antarctic Treaty.
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| May 29, 2011, 11:18 am
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Leading on from the exercise that began last night, the naval infantry in Gotland were charged with the objective of defending against any counterattack poised by the Scandinavians. In order to do this, armoured groups [consisting of two tanks and four AIFVs each] were placed on every major road leading to the captured village. The remaining civvies in the area were evacuated for both their safety and ours. Anyhow, eight MiG-29s [rotating in groups of four] were called in from an undisclosed location to act as CAS against any thick-skinned vehicles the Scandinavians may call in during the wee hours of the morrow. What was unexpected was when three MiGs were entirely knocked out the sky with no other radar contacts in the area. PAK FAs were once again sent in to keep the Union State flag as the alpha in the sky. Flying towards the area where the MiGs were, the PAKs saw two fast-movers scooting away from the area; they were then identified as Sparvs. With the earlier Sparv kills in their heads, the young PAK pilots moved behind the two Sparvs at a relatively nice speed. Once in visual range, weapon bays opened up to engage the Sparvs. That is to say until an additional pair of Sparvs came down on top of the PAKs and eliminated both of them with no chance of ejection. By time more Union State planes were scrambled, the Sparvs were gone and were not encountered the rest of the day; leaving with five fresh kills under their belts.

Moving along, the ground operations and organization of supply lines went without a hitch until roughly 0400 hours. One of the armoured checkpoints came under fire from an unknown number C5As, but managed to bug-out with minimal casualties [nine Russian marines neutralized]. Two additional Mk.IVs brought in from the LCAC runs going on from the get-go met up with the armoured group in question and spotted six C5As with the addition of eight medium armored vehicles traversing towards the FOB. Again utilizing the smoothbore capability, the Mk.IVs shot off a volley of ATGMs and scored the first kill. With the tank numbers now at five v. four, the Mk.IVs put distance between each other so grouped targets weren't available to their contacts. However, another CAS flight of Gripens swooped in unopposed in the air and disabled the movement of one Mk.IV and killed two AIFVs. The "downed" Mk.IV still engaged the Scandinavians from afar and managed to kill another tank before the crew had to scramble from the vehicle with aircraft warnings coming in from the FOB. The remaining Mk.IVs managed to kill all but two of the C5As and one other armoured vehicle and the latter military force once again made a tactical withdrawal. A recovery vehicle later carried the immobile Mk.IV back to a forward repair center and was put back in service by 0900 hours.

The other checkpoints met no resistance as the enemy had to regroup and reorganize. Air-to-air engagements were limited to only the aforementioned encounters with the addition of one more Gripen being wiped out from a pair of MiGs. The enemy's losses in regards to infantry and crew is unknown, but they definitely have more wounded than we. Thanks to an emphasis on crew survivability and long-range engagements, Russian crews prevailed against rather daunting odds in unfamiliar territory. However, we must note that the Scandinavian air power will soon outrank our own once their pilots get more training hours in with their excellent Sparvs. More intimate training programs and the possibility of a new plane are in the works at home in response to this remark.

As it stands, the skirmish has been won in favor to the Union State, but not without our fair share of losses. The Scandinavian AF's development will be closely observed so we may learn lessons from them in the future and then adapt their design and make it our own. We hope this exercise gave both sides a healthy dose of intel as to how they operate during an amphibious limited invasion.
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| May 29, 2011, 12:01 pm
Using some new funding from France, thirty sections of apartment buildings were finished in Portland II this week. Civilians have been returning the city en masse ever since they heard jobs were springing up in and around the area. A 21st Century boom-town, you might say.

Two diplomats were sent to Saudi Arabia to advise them through the rough process of being an NPC nation surrounded by PCs. They will return next week.

The 1st Armored Battalion has returned from Brazilian JAT, and have received praise from General Bedford for their brilliant use of rear-guard tactics. They are now being deployed to Hope, British Columbia to relieve border forces.

The 2nd Fighter Wing (the First never leaves the country due to security concerns), has also returned from Brazilian JAT, and have received a commendation from Governor Shelton for proving the worth of Soviet military doctrine. >.>
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| May 29, 2011, 1:52 pm
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Quoting Brikkr ™
Sí mi amigo. ¡Muchos gracias!

Of course, this will be taken way out of proportion by certain people, but I was completely unaware that aircraft were allowed to take part in this maneuver. I was unsure infantry would be allowed in. I was of the understanding it was a purely armored exercise as advertised, including the title: "Joint Armored Training." Not to mention the fact that we just found out we were rather outnumbered. >.>

Oh well, looks like we'll collect our tanks & vehicles and head on home. Let's see how the Egyptians fare *snicker*.
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| May 29, 2011, 2:54 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .

Oh , Sorry. I didn't know of the treaty.

Oh, and Nick, I didn't "fund" you with anything.

My bad. I meant Spain.

Quoting Ultramarine . Planes!?

Did you expect anything in war to go as planned?
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| May 29, 2011, 5:29 pm
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I'm not trying to be a flamer here, but how many Nimitz-class carriers did Nick claim to have? Did you know that only 5 have homeports in the west? I've got one, and he at least lost 4 others. Actually, he might be in the negative if that is the case. All others were back east, based out of where is now Will's territory. How on earth did he ever have 11 carriers?

Quoting Nick Shelton
Did you expect anything in war to go as planned?

No, but I lost the battle before I even started. That and I whipped up those plans in about 10 minutes. I wasn't too worried about it, but I would have liked to know that I could have used certain things.
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| May 29, 2011, 5:33 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
No, but I lost the battle before I even started. That and I whipped up those plans in about 10 minutes. I wasn't too worried about it, but I would have liked to know that I could have used certain things.

I whipped mine up in even less.

Pre-War Carrier Numbers:

Pacifica
Ronald Reagan*
John C. Stennis
John Hood*
Nimitz
Abraham Lincoln`
Carl Vinson*
Alexander Hamilton**

* = Destroyed
** = Entered service post-war.
` = Sold to Western Republic.
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| May 29, 2011, 6:27 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I whipped mine up in even less.

Pre-War Carrier Numbers:

Pacifica
Ronald Reagan*
John C. Stennis
John Hood*
Nimitz
Abraham Lincoln`
Carl Vinson*
Alexander Hamilton**

* = Destroyed
** = Entered service post-war.
` = Sold to Western Republic.

I never paid for it...

Then why on earth were people saying you had 11? Seems that the odds be a little more in my favor, eh?
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| May 29, 2011, 6:48 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The rest were in the east, based out of what is now Will's territory.

Nope, Norfolk is in Virginia, in the ACU. All the eastern Nimitzs went to John.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Something about destroying Mecca

O_o

You remember my FMs on the subject of Islam right? Remember the >1%, and then the 99%? Well, destroying Mecca would enrage the 100%. Please tell me you're not that ignorant.
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| May 29, 2011, 6:49 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
Nope, Norfolk is in Virginia, in the ACU. All the eastern Nimitzs went to John.

My bad. I was under the impression that all of VA went to Will.

Quoting Tom

O_o

You remember my FMs on the subject of Islam right? Remember the >1%, and then the 99%? Well, destroying Mecca would enrage the 100%. Please tell me you're not that ignorant.

No, it's called apathy.
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| May 29, 2011, 6:56 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Nope, just the Carolinas.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:02 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I never paid for it...

Then why on earth were people saying you had 11? Seems that the odds be a little more in my favor, eh?

Because no one said you had to tell the truth, did they?

And no, the odds were still in my favor. /crushing defeat of the WC Navy.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
No, it's called apathy.


Let's have a mass destruction of Christian culture while we're at it, I'm sure you'll be apathetic to that as well. HeII, let's take it up a notch and raze Jerusalem. That'll surely end a lot of troubles.

In Koaxiang:
-Boats are being made, tanks and planes too.
-Mongolia reintegration complete. It is now once more a province.
-Suspicious things.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:17 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And no, the odds were still in my favor. /crushing defeat of the WC Navy.

/inept1tude of CM. I'm not going to say anything other than no fewer than 5 people clearly indicated that it was obviously bias. Take from that what you will, but that makes 6 people that see it. Even Awe said he wouldn't trust Ham being the CM.

I will also remind you that while I lost 80% of my fleet there, you lost 65%. Also in that conflict, you lost 14% of your territory; Hawaii. Thereby leaving the entire Pacific in allied hands. I call that a strategic victory for me.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Let's have a mass destruction of Christian culture while we're at it, I'm sure you'll be apathetic to that as well...let's take it up a notch and raze Jerusalem. That'll surely end a lot of troubles.

It will happen someday anyway, so why not?
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| May 29, 2011, 7:19 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
It will happen someday anyway, so why not?


We'll make a day of it! Shelton, get me my ethnic cleansing bag, I've got an Arketer to fly!
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| May 29, 2011, 7:23 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

We'll make a day of it! Shelton, get me my ethnic cleansing bag, I've got an Arketer to fly!

...Except that I won't allow it to happen in this group, that is. For the muslim thing, by all means, blow what I clearly intended as sarcasm completely out of proportion. Yes, please do that. Seriously.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
...Except that I won't allow it to happen in this group, that is. For the muslim thing, by all means, blow what I clearly intended as sarcasm completely out of proportion. Yes, please do that. Seriously.


Looks like you can give out sarcasm, but can't take it. Problem?

trollface.jpg
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| May 29, 2011, 7:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
/inept1tude of CM. I'm not going to say anything other than no fewer than 5 people clearly indicated that it was obviously bias. Take from that what you will, but that makes 6 people that see it. Even Awe said he wouldn't trust Ham being the CM.

I will also remind you that while I lost 80% of my fleet there, you lost 65%. Also in that conflict, you lost 14% of your territory; Hawaii. Thereby leaving the entire Pacific in allied hands. I call that a strategic victory for me.

I didn't lose 65% of my fleet, actually. I lost 65% of about 40 vessels. Most of my Fleet stayed behind, actually.

Pyhrric Victory, actually. You lost more than me trying to achieve a goal that you ended up not meeting.

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| May 29, 2011, 7:31 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Pyhrric Victory, actually. You lost more than me trying to achieve a goal that you ended up not meeting.

Aye, but there were elements of my fleet that stayed behind as well, that's not part of this conversation.

I met the goal, you didn't get Midway, and we seized Hawaii. Doesn't matter what would or could have happened later, only what did is measured in the balance.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:33 pm
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You two always find new ways to argue. Maybe you should make a pact of mutual ignoring.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:34 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Aye, but there were elements of my fleet that stayed behind as well, that's not part of this conversation.

I met the goal, you didn't get Midway, and we seized Hawaii. Doesn't matter what would or could have happened later, only what did is measured in the balance.

And what did is the massive failure of the Western Confederation at conquering a much, much smaller nation. CM ineptitude? No. Incompetence at a command level? Most likely.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:38 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
You two always find new ways to argue. Maybe you should make a pact of mutual ignoring.

I'm done, actually. I realize I shouldn't start up new fights. >.>
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| May 29, 2011, 7:48 pm
In the SC...

Military strategists and the developers of the AT-7 can hardly wait until a little exersize of our own happens with the RAS-ers. We also await orders from our esteemed colleagues of Cliffe and Avalella.

Certain things may or may not be happenig in the West and they may not be sneaky. Certainly no defenses on the Peru border, of course. Speaking of defenses, the SC High Command has announced that our Mexican Defense Shield, akin to the Atlantic Wall- minus the wall part- has been completed. Nearly 2,500 bunkers line our side of the DMZ with thousands of SAM and Cruise Missile emplacements along with Artillery guns, of course. A full compliment of 50,000 Infantry and an Armored Division. Also a FRAG will be stationed there, and it has nothing to do with grenades.

Things are up on the drawing board, and some have begun construction, such as a new upgraded Rio Class Carrier.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:50 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
In the SC...

Military strategists and the developers of the AT-7 can hardly wait until a little exersize of our own happens with the RAS-ers. We also await orders from our esteemed colleagues of Cliffe and Avalella.

Certain things may or may not be happenig in the West and they may not be sneaky. Certainly no defenses on the Peru border, of course. Speaking of defenses, the SC High Command has announced that our Mexican Defense Shield, akin to the Atlantic Wall- minus the wall part- has been completed. Nearly 2,500 bunkers line our side of the DMZ with thousands of SAM and Cruise Missile emplacements along with Artillery guns, of course. A full compliment of 50,000 Infantry and an Armored Division. Also a FRAG will be stationed there, and it has nothing to do with grenades.

Things are up on the drawing board, and some have begun construction, such as a new upgraded Rio Class Carrier.

Sent my orders in.
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| May 29, 2011, 7:57 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Let's have a mass destruction of Christian culture while we're at it,

The passage of time is already doing that for us.
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| May 29, 2011, 8:19 pm
Quoting Thomas N
The passage of time is already doing that for us.

Buddhism FTW! But it's the same for all religions except for Islam due to their devotion. Which is why I think a Islamic Union is very unrealistic due to the heavy variations between the different secs and the people's fanatical closeness to their secs.
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| May 29, 2011, 8:44 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Congress has commissioned a designer to add another 4 stars onto the former WC flag to update it for the admission of Idaho, Nevada, Hawaii, and the newest state of Baja. The half states of Oregon and Washington will have to wait for the time being. A flat 17% tax has been approved in the Republic. No IRS forms to fill out, no withholdings, no deductions, no nothing. You get your pay stub at the end of the year and you cut a check for 17%. Period. It's already proven popular with states who (like me) hate filling out that infernal 1040...

Speaking of the Baja, a delegation has reported that upwards of a billion dollars might be needed to repair the damage on the peninsula. Options are being considered for rebuilding.

Despite the cancellation of the Forrestal carrier, the raising of the heavy cruiser Brigand proceeded as planned today. It is en route to Hawaii for repairs. With some embarrassment that the C-in-C of the air forces admitted a lack of communication that led to the absence of aircraft at the wargames. However, the tankers were told to just have fun, since there was nothing to be accomplished. All things considered, they did an excellent job in handling their drastically disadvantaged position. Not only were they outnumbered before the get go, but without air cover. Tempers flared a few times, however, when they were confronted by their real enemies. Precautions were taken, though, that none of the rounds were 'accidentally' live. After all, it's not that your dead that counts, only how did you die? /literaryreference
They're on their way back, where they know only more training awaits them. They are never finished training.

Civilians have upped their purchasing of firearms. Seems they're getting itchy, wondering when the next attacks will come. Remnants of the former CIA have submitted a proposal for the reestablishment of a counter-intelligence agency. They are being considered carefully.

Forestry initiatives continue, everyone keeps making money and moving things around. Yup, stuff's good. So far...
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| May 29, 2011, 9:09 pm
Quoting henry wang
Buddhism FTW! But it's the same for all religions except for Islam due to their devotion. Which is why I think a Islamic Union is very unrealistic due to the heavy variations between the different secs and the people's fanatical closeness to their secs.

Yes; people don't like to give up their secs.

It's why Mormonism isn't that popular.
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| May 29, 2011, 9:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
The half states of Oregon and Washington will have to wait for the time being.

*cough* 1/8 states! *cough*

Wait for what?

/Sauron eye.

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| May 29, 2011, 10:05 pm
Quoting CherokeeKly .

Oh , Sorry. I didn't know of the treaty.

Oh, and Nick, I didn't "fund" you with anything.

Do you have a Flickr?
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| May 29, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
*cough* 1/8 states! *cough*

Look at the map lately, son? http://imageshack.us/m/101/1551/diplomatslegionsbam.png

1/8 more describes CA.

Oh, as for ineptness in the high command? Yep, and 150,000 Chinese were not at all a factor.
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| May 29, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Look at the map lately, son? http://imageshack.us/m/101/1551/diplomatslegionsbam.png

1/8 more describes CA.

Oh, as for ineptness in the high command? Yep, and 150,000 Chinese were not at all a factor.

I'm not your, son, I am your superior.

I don't remember you bros pushing in that far.

And the Chiense were not a factor. They were there to pick up donuts and coffee. But the Confederates ate all the donuts and drank all the coffee!
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| May 29, 2011, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yep, and 150,000 Chinese were not at all a factor.


We did the same thing in the Korean war too. China- messing up your wars since 1950.
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| May 29, 2011, 11:09 pm
Thanks for hating me, MOCPAGES. Anyway, repost:

 Joint Training Report:
CU V.S. IDU

The war-games began with a promising start for the IDU-ers. Their "Flying Column" tactic worked well, with their IFVs rolling down the streets with their larger (and very slow) Giga War Chariots. The IFVs deposited their infantry and they soon took the Airport with no resistance from the Cubans, it seemed like they weren't even there. But when they neared the northeastern part of the city, schist hit the fan. The Column was trapped in a deadly "L" from the Cubans. The front and rear tanks were taken out by... Foxknives entrenched into the city, yep you heard it right folks, the Cubans were using Fast Attack Vehicles to kill tanks! By wisely using their ATGMs the FAVs and Light Airborne AFVs were taking out heavily armored tanks. With their MT-1 Variants trapped in their own formation, they were of little use. The Giga WCs were trapped in a deadly turkey shoot, and with the Cubans so close, they could only shoot at a flat trajectory, missing the Cubans by a long shot. By then their Mortars and M103 Howitzers were cleverly exploiting the thin armor on top of the Giga Chariots. This was the case for almost every block in Northern Mazatlan. When the Hyperfalcons heard about this slaughter, they tried their best to thin the defenses, but with their own tanks so close it could not be done. Eventually that spelled death for two whole battalions. With the 1st and 13th destroyed, the Cubans began a push for the center of the city. When they were out in the open they were easier targets for the Hyperfalcons, but the Razorback SAM system did it's job and "shoot down" any hyperfalcon that got in range. When the Cubans came closer they found remnants of the 1st and the whole 21st Battalion waiting for them. Dug in just like the Cubans earlier, each side slugged it out for a long, long, long time. Finally it was the Cubans who came out on top because of their fast AFV, FAV, and ATGM-Toting GPMRVs who outran the Egyptian's heavy guns and the heroic Infantry who overcame all odds and made history. A single Light Infantry Brigade had not only stopped two, but demolished three Armored Battalions, although they took heavy losses themselves. 
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| May 29, 2011, 11:38 pm
I doth protest...

Although it may come of as being whiny...

I must ask, how could those light vehicles get close without being detected?

And no account of APS and ERA?

Also, no account of my JF-17s as CAS was taken, and my Pakistani battalion could have hit the enemy in the rear. They were instructed to back up anyone who needed help.

My IFVs would have also torn apart those light vehicles with their chainguns, I say. They're MADE for urban combat.

And what about my towed artillery that was well dug-in with the infantry in the city? Ant-tank guns can stop anything when used right.
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| May 29, 2011, 11:49 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I'm not your, son, I am your superior.

I don't remember you bros pushing in that far.

And the Chiense were not a factor. They were there to pick up donuts and coffee. But the Confederates ate all the donuts and drank all the coffee!

LOL. We did, sir, we did. In fact, the admins gave you two CRs before total collapse. If it weren't for the Chinese, I would have had you outflanked up north as well and the war would have been that much shorter.

But I digress, I shall no more speak on this subject.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
We did the same thing in the Korean war too. China- messing up your wars since 1950.

One of these days, China, one of these days: POW! Right in the kisser! /JackieGleason
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| May 30, 2011, 12:22 am
In S'pore:
- Last night, SHIELD intel satellites have found what seems to be the boat used in the attack on the RSS Legion at an island near the Bangka–Belitung Islands. Infrared and electromagnetic scans show alot of activity on the supposedly 'uninhabited' island. At 0800 hours today, a Archer class Missile Frigate, with its escort ships, was sent to investigate and if required, to launch a retaliatory strike.
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| May 30, 2011, 12:22 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
.One of these days, China, one of these days: POW! Right in the kisser! /JackieGleason


BUT THAT DAY IS NOT THIS DAY- THIS DAY, WE FIGHT! BY ALL THAT YOU HOLD DEAR, I BID YOU STAND, MEN, OF THE MIDDLE KINGDOM! In all seriousness, I'd like to see what you can do in retaliation that doesn't involve senseless slaughter of civilians with ICBMs. Us meeting on the battlefield, a glorious fight to be sure.

Quoting TheSpectre 117


You still looking for help with space-related things?

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| May 30, 2011, 12:41 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

BUT THAT DAY IS NOT THIS DAY- THIS DAY, WE FIGHT! BY ALL THAT YOU HOLD DEAR, I BID YOU STAND, MEN, OF THE MIDDLE KINGDOM! In all seriousness, I'd like to see what you can do in retaliation that doesn't involve senseless slaughter of civilians with ICBMs. Us meeting on the battlefield, a glorious fight to be sure.

You'll see, I'm sure. Now that I'm getting organized. However, I don't think Alenia should be counted, since I only responded in kind. You didn't help a whole lot with your "Well, if he asks, I'll have to step in..."
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| May 30, 2011, 12:48 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You'll see, I'm sure. Now that I'm getting organized. However, I don't think Alenia should be counted, since I only responded in kind. You didn't help a whole lot with your "Well, if he asks, I'll have to step in..."


Counted on? I don't think I need to count on Alenia, I'm quite capable of defending myself.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:04 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
You still looking for help with space-related things?


Yes. I need a launcher for my Heimdallr Intel Satellite.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:08 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117

Yes. I need a launcher for my Heimdallr Intel Satellite.


Well then, a quick payment to cover the costs for a rocket, and I'll be happy to send it up for you.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:14 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Counted on? I don't think I need to count on Alenia, I'm quite capable of defending myself.

No, I meant that my 'senseless slaughter' in Alenia shouldn't be counted since they committed 'senseless slaughter' against me.

Yes, you are very adept at defending yourself alone, I have no doubt.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:23 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Well then, a quick payment to cover the costs for a rocket, and I'll be happy to send it up for you.


Erm...how does payment work here?

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| May 30, 2011, 1:24 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117

Erm...how does payment work here?

I'm his broker, just wire the funds to me, in the Western Republic.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:34 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117

Erm...how does payment work here?


Well, first, you take the money and draw it up on a digital transfer between banks. Then, you send it to our bank (the personal account of the Emperor), and the transfer is done. Then, you fly your satellite over here, we put it in a Long March rocket, and send it up.

I need new rockets...

Quoting Ultramarine .
No, I meant that my 'senseless slaughter' in Alenia shouldn't be counted since they committed 'senseless slaughter' against me.

Yes, you are very adept at defending yourself alone, I have no doubt.


Ah, yes. Of course.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:38 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117

By the way, I was joking.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:50 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I doth protest...

Although it may come of as being whiny...

I must ask, how could those light vehicles get close without being detected?
Dug in, your tanks drove in close enough to mask the noise. And large vehicles like your Gigas make a whole lot of noise.

And no account of APS and ERA?
I took it into account, but it wasn't very important with what was being shot at them.

Also, no account of my JF-17s as CAS was taken, and my Pakistani battalion could have hit the enemy in the rear. They were instructed to back up anyone who needed help.
They tried but were also ambushed on their way ("This was the case for almost every block in Northern Mazatlan") I forgot about the Other CAS but they'd follow the same suit as the Hyperfalcons. Collateral Damage is usually avoided as the city was "populated".

My IFVs would have also torn apart those light vehicles with their chainguns, I say. They're MADE for urban combat.
The Cubans had 30mms of their own, and plenty of AT guns and ATGMs

And what about my towed artillery that was well dug-in with the infantry in the city? Ant-tank guns can stop anything when used right.
They were taken into account
("(The Egyptians were) Dug in just like the Cubans earlier...")

Read answers, they're under the questions.
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| May 30, 2011, 7:24 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great Well, first, you take the money and draw it up on a digital transfer between banks. Then, you send it to our bank (the personal account of the Emperor), and the transfer is done.


No. i mean how to put it here, on the com
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| May 30, 2011, 8:51 am
Quoting CherokeeKly .
Today, the Navy's experimental project was declassified.

The experimental project, titled Project Groom Lake, uses Aerospacecraft to Shock Drop a new breed of French SOF, the Groom Lake Shock Troopers. (GLST)

It costed 300 million for one dropship.

34 Shock Troopers can be lifted inside.


NO ODSTS. THIS IS REALISM NOT HALO. Unless those "Shock Troopers" are doing HAHO jumps like the SEALs then it's a No-no.
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| May 30, 2011, 10:16 am
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
Today, the Navy's experimental project was declassified.

The experimental project, titled Project Groom Lake, uses Aerospacecraft to Shock Drop a new breed of French SOF, the Groom Lake Shock Troopers. (GLST)

It costed 300 million for one dropship.

34 Shock Troopers can be lifted inside.


How many times do we have to tell you?

1: No orbital drops. Period.

2: Any Aerospacecraft would cost BILLIONS, not 300 Mil.
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| May 30, 2011, 10:28 am
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Generals, aids, and down on to buck privates watched radar screens, UAV telemetry, and satellite feed for hours last night and this morning. It was with some relief that they sent the following message to the President: "Sir, it is with great pleasure that we wish to report that the Egyptians are not coming." (There had been intel to that effect, you see, but you can't believe it all. After all, someone once said to a certain Gen. Custer, "Sir, there aren't many Indians over that hill...") Preparations stood down, and air squadrons were taken off readiness.

60 F-29s, 10 F-89s, 10 AH-10s, and 10 UH-1s set out for Midway and Hawaii to garrison the islands. Repairs for Midway were finished, and Hawaii was back up and running. The aircraft were taken over by navy flyers. The Brigand arrived at Hawaii and will undergo repairs alongside the Arleigh Burkes. Munitions for those ships have been flown out, along with replacement crews. The survivors of the fleet that were fished from the water following the battle will comprise the majority of the crew, but replenishment was necessary. Target practice for the crew of the WRS Steel, the newest attack submarine, was completed with good results. Attack simulations have been executed all this week, with promising results. Some problems with the targeting computers was encountered, nothing that can't be fixed inside of a week.

The 500 newest members of M6 have been chosen, amongst great fanfare. Their identities have not been released to the public, however.

On a completely unrelated note, would any admin mind copy & pasting the html code for embedding & auto playing the music on the home page? My method is outdated. Thank you. Or a mod, if you can 'edit' the page.
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| May 30, 2011, 12:38 pm
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Straight out of Beijing we're keepin it real:
-Mongolia is now a functioning part of the Empire.
-Still building stuff.
-Research of stuff too.

Quoting TheSpectre 117
No. i mean how to put it here, on the com


Oh, just say you've transferred the money.
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| May 30, 2011, 12:49 pm
@Brikkr

Eh... my MBTs don't rely on sound to detect the enemy, they use radar and visual scanning.

Speaking of radar, my mobile jamming units within the flying columns, who not only jam but are specialized in radar, would have detected the enemy from miles away. Even amongst the tall buildings. Those are large, powerful radar units. They would have then proceeded to jam the heII out of the enemy's targeting and missile tracking systems.

You know, ERA and APS are SPECIALIZED for taking down TOW missiles and things like that. My Giga War Chariots have MULTIPLE APS turrets.

Collateral damage? Sir, my planes don't use cluster bombs against small formations of tanks. Ever heard of laser-guided bombs? JDAMs? Gun runs? Planes carry accurate munitions. And in your last report with the PCU v.s. the WR, the PCU used cluster bombs WITHIN A CITY to great affect.

What's going on here? Y U NO MAKE SENSE!

The Cubans had 30mms of your own, you say? What difference does that make? I was pointing out that their light-skinned vehicles would stand no defensive match to the guns of my IFVs and tanks. LIGHT-SKINNED. And due to my radar units, they would have been spotted from a good while a way, enough to take them out- and due to my APS and ERA, those missiles would not have taken the first hits they were hoping on. BAM! They would have been taken out, although I would still take massive casualties myself.

In reality I say this should have been a stalemate leaning on my side in the city and their side on the outskirts. They would have possibly overrun me on the outskirts, but once they get inside the city, they would exhaust their missiles and fall prey to my Giga War Chariots' sponson guns and my IFVs' chainguns, plus my infantry's small arms fire taking out the drivers of their vehicles (rarely) and using the anti-tank guns.

However, I can't entirely blame you for putting the victory on the Cuban side, you would have gotten more flak from them than you're getting from me, I bet- they're close allies of yours, no?

I mean really, everyone supports their allies in things like this, even I would. No one can help it, it's become a sort of involuntary instinct.

In conclusion, you did alright, Brikkr, but I would like a re-match against a different opponent, preferably in a large open field or forest. Can do?
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| May 30, 2011, 12:56 pm
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And people say I complain too much. Yeesh, Cliffe man, this isn't even a real war, get over it.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I would like a re-match against a different opponent, preferably in a large open field or forest. Can do?

You vs. my M90s, 2 o'clock after school. Deal?
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| May 30, 2011, 1:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You vs. my M90s, 2 o'clock after school. Deal?

I think I'd quite like that.

And it's all about testing my tactics and battlefield worth- I make a big deal out of that so when it IS a real war, I win.
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| May 30, 2011, 1:15 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
aids

teehee

*aides, unless you really mean the HIV virus.


@Evan, Awe, or Ian:

I'm confused, does the RSS still exist or no?


Quoting Matt Hacker

Bro, can I buy the upgrade specs/kit for the M113A5? I need to upgrade a bunch of vehicles for Namibia yet.

Speaking of upgrading Namibian vehicles, we greatly thank the Egyptians for the 200 M60s, which are being retrofitted in factories right now.


In other news, the secret hidden submarine bases are being constructed under camouflage and other coverage, so not even satellites can find them or the construction sites. Construction moves along. Also, A new operating scheme is being designed for our 4 Schwarz haifisch AMB subs and their 4 Type-4 partner subs.
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| May 30, 2011, 3:05 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
@Evan, Awe, or Ian:

I'm confused, does the RSS still exist or no?


No, Ian was exiled to Southern India. He has yet to make a post.
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| May 30, 2011, 3:25 pm
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Quoting Thomas N
teehee

*aides, unless you really mean the HIV virus.

/Pre-am coffee typo.
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| May 30, 2011, 3:32 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I think I'd quite like that.

And it's all about testing my tactics and battlefield worth- I make a big deal out of that so when it IS a real war, I win.

I would like to remind you, if I have not already, that we are at war, and if we are not currently at war then we shall be soon.
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| May 30, 2011, 3:52 pm
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Due to the unification of Moldova and Romania, the self-declared nation of Transnistria has had a shaky fate. Although never internationally recognized, the sliver of a state technically belonging to the former country of Moldova has done much to separate itself from the the aforementioned nation. It's built a small army, empowered a proper executive, and contains many self-sustainable ministries. However, with Europe now falling into the game of blocs, Transnistria has joined the Union State for the sake of security and popular demand. The people have always had a positive review for nationally binding itself with the former Russian Federation; therefore, it forwarded the proper forms to Minsk last week and has hence been added as a fully represented state in the union. We seek no hostilities with the Byzantines and their coalition seeing as though this autonomous zone belongs to them through technicality, but we are willing to back up Transnistria's admission with the use of arms if it comes to that. We hope any territorial demands on the sliver-state shall be revoked and that it will be freely released to our jurisdiction.

Also, security near the newly founded trans-Caucasus nation has been slightly relaxed. Although some illegal immigrates were detained and deported back to their respective lands, we have seen little conflict in the area. Because of this lack of hostility, the Union Sate shall heed the request of the new nation and begin working on better relations with it. Hopefully we can open up a long-term network of trade with the resource-rich nation, but that will only come with time seeing as though regional hostilities with the Georgian people have to be diluted.

Finally, rumors of a brand new aircraft based on the Scandinavian JAS-43 have been popping up in Moscow papers. Although they are presently unconfirmed by the defense ministry, several credible third-party sources have released captured photos of a prototypical-looking plane. More news later.
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| May 30, 2011, 4:36 pm
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Quoting Thomas N

Quoting Matt Hacker

Bro, can I buy the upgrade specs/kit for the M113A5? I need to upgrade a bunch of vehicles for Namibia yet.



Sure, sale approved.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Finally, rumors of a brand new aircraft based on the Scandinavian JAS-43 have been popping up in Moscow papers. Although they are presently unconfirmed by the defense ministry, several credible third-party sources have released captured photos of a prototypical-looking plane. More news later.


The UNC does not know how to respond to this. On one hand, being allies, and the old adage "imitation is the greatest form of flattery," we should be glad, but on the other hand, we will make sure that no copyright issues are present. We are willing to make a specialized export variant for our Russian friends.
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| May 30, 2011, 5:09 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Alright, but as the other three members have also stated, anything resembling space-planes and or remotely looking like ODST in any form outside traditional airborne corps is basically a nono, to keep things fair.

Quoting Will G.
I would like to remind you, if I have not already, that we are at war, and if we are not currently at war then we shall be soon.

So...Cliffe and Will are at war again? :3

Not again you see, we never made peace.
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| May 30, 2011, 5:54 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
Quoting Evan Melick
Alright, but as the other three members have also stated, anything resembling space-planes and or remotely looking like ODST in any form outside traditional airborne corps is basically a nono, to keep fair

They are basically HALO jumpers with a fancy name a higher alt. dropship, hence why it costs only about 300 mil

No. We're not having oribtal platforms that drop infantry to earth. It's not happening. Amd something like that would be way expensive, far more than 300 Million. You don't even understand how expensive it is to build ANYTHING that goes into space. Do you? Let alone anything capable of carrying humans into space and then DROPPING them safely. That would cost Billions, and it's still against group rules.
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| May 30, 2011, 6:18 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
@Brikkr

Eh... my MBTs don't rely on sound to detect the enemy, they use radar and visual scanning.

Speaking of radar, my mobile jamming units within the flying columns, who not only jam but are specialized in radar, would have detected the enemy from miles away. Even amongst the tall buildings. Those are large, powerful radar units. They would have then proceeded to jam the heII out of the enemy's targeting and missile tracking systems.

You know, ERA and APS are SPECIALIZED for taking down TOW missiles and things like that. My Giga War Chariots have MULTIPLE APS turrets.

Collateral damage? Sir, my planes don't use cluster bombs against small formations of tanks. Ever heard of laser-guided bombs? JDAMs? Gun runs? Planes carry accurate munitions. And in your last report with the PCU v.s. the WR, the PCU used cluster bombs WITHIN A CITY to great affect.

What's going on here? Y U NO MAKE SENSE!

The Cubans had 30mms of your own, you say? What difference does that make? I was pointing out that their light-skinned vehicles would stand no defensive match to the guns of my IFVs and tanks. LIGHT-SKINNED. And due to my radar units, they would have been spotted from a good while a way, enough to take them out- and due to my APS and ERA, those missiles would not have taken the first hits they were hoping on. BAM! They would have been taken out, although I would still take massive casualties myself.

In reality I say this should have been a stalemate leaning on my side in the city and their side on the outskirts. They would have possibly overrun me on the outskirts, but once they get inside the city, they would exhaust their missiles and fall prey to my Giga War Chariots' sponson guns and my IFVs' chainguns, plus my infantry's small arms fire taking out the drivers of their vehicles (rarely) and using the anti-tank guns.

However, I can't entirely blame you for putting the victory on the Cuban side, you would have gotten more flak from them than you're getting from me, I bet- they're close allies of yours, no?

I mean really, everyone supports their allies in things like this, even I would. No one can help it, it's become a sort of involuntary instinct.

In conclusion, you did alright, Brikkr, but I would like a re-match against a different opponent, preferably in a large open field or forest. Can do?

You agreed to wage combat in a very urban, asymetric environment, and you very clearly used conventional tactics against a well equipped opponent making use of urban guerrilla tactics. I will admit I'm not too sure about their offensive capabilities, especially after fighting off so many tanks in defense. Just imagine fighting an American paratrooper unit inside a city (not fun).
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| May 30, 2011, 6:21 pm
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Quoting CherokeeKly .
Actually I do.

It doesn't actually go into space, as stated.

Then what exactly is it?
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| May 30, 2011, 6:31 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
No. We're not having oribtal platforms that drop infantry to earth. It's not happening.
Tom, I think he means the SEAL-Style jumps. HALO= High Altitude Low Opening.

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| May 30, 2011, 7:24 pm
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Then what exactly is it?

I think he means High Altitude Low Opening jumpers, not the HALO franchise. Anyhow, it seems he's just building a specialized plane or funding a specialized program, if not both, for boys that care to jump from exceptionally high altitudes.

Quoting Evan Melick

We thank you for your cooperation surrounding the autonomous zone's entrance to the Union State. Hopefully we can also get over the Ukrainian situation.

Quoting Matt Hacker

Although our government hasn't confirmed if the program even exists, I can assure you that no patents or copyrights shall be infringed. There are few things else that we here the Union State detest more than copyright infringement seeing as though it kills the initiative for more advanced programs and it's a slap in the face of the men and women who worked diligently to construct the item in question. On note of the specialized export version of the Sparv, the defense ministry's attention has been drawn in favor of it if we cannot build a new bird of our own by the end of this coming month. We hope the option will remain open until then.
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| May 30, 2011, 7:25 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I thought the final treaty was all-inclusive for everyone involved.

Perhaps it was, but not to my understanding. I haven' really been as active as I should be, this inactivity is due to the fact that this has been the end of my first year in high school, projects, EOC's, Finals (Thank God for exemptions), etc.
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| May 30, 2011, 7:45 pm
Quoting -> avalella
You agreed to wage combat in a very urban, asymetric environment, and you very clearly used conventional tactics against a well equipped opponent making use of urban guerrilla tactics. I will admit I'm not too sure about their offensive capabilities, especially after fighting off so many tanks in defense. Just imagine fighting an American paratrooper unit inside a city (not fun).

That would explain it... I H@TE guerrila warfare...

What say you to a re-match in a large open field or desert, your Longhorns versus my Giga War Chariots? I want a gentleman's match.
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| May 30, 2011, 10:05 pm
Quoting Will G.
Perhaps it was, but not to my understanding. I haven' really been as active as I should be, this inactivity is due to the fact that this has been the end of my first year in high school, projects, EOC's, Finals (Thank God for exemptions), etc.

My good sir, we may misunderstand each other! We were once great allies. I wish for a return to such a time.
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| May 30, 2011, 10:18 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
That would explain it... I H@TE guerrila warfare...

What say you to a re-match in a large open field or desert, your Longhorns versus my Giga War Chariots? I want a gentleman's match.

Indeed. We must schedule something soon.
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| May 30, 2011, 10:34 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Indeed. We must schedule something soon.

I for some reason feel the need to apologize for not giving you a good enough fight. :P

Hopefully Brikkr comes back around soon, he'll get us going.
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| May 30, 2011, 10:55 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
My good sir, we may misunderstand each other! We were once great allies. I wish for a return to such a time.

Ensure me that you will destroy the hormone bomb or never use it again, then we may go back to our pre-War relationship...
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| May 30, 2011, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Ensure me that you will destroy the hormone bomb or never use it again, then we may go back to our pre-War relationship...

It's too late, it's too prolific now. He knows if he ever uses it on me again that the Aswan High Dam will be the bill to pay, so he gets Nick to do his dirty work for him.
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| May 30, 2011, 11:24 pm
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Silly conservatives, never taking the time to realize that the hormone bomb is better than regular bombs because it doesn't leave people dead.
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| May 30, 2011, 11:44 pm
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Silly Americans, backing the Civil Rights Act without heed to party divisions. Y'all are supposed to fall for that petty madness like we want you to.


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| May 30, 2011, 11:56 pm
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Silly conservatives, never taking the time to realize that the hormone bomb is better than regular bombs because it doesn't leave people dead.

You obviously have no concept as to how psychologically damaging such a complete change can be. Over 60% of the population in our territories (yours too, most likely; unless their cowering in fear of so-called "Hate speech" and afraid to voice their opinions. Greater civil rights my eye) would be absolutely devastated by it. At least another 20% who might not dislike that persuasion but wouldn't want to partake themselves and would also be devastated at the change their bodies undergo. So that leaves only 20% who wouldn't care.

I'd rather deal with musthard gas, it's much less proliferating when it hits, and is easily treated and defended against. Only about 20% of those affected are serious cases.
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| May 30, 2011, 11:57 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


Okay. The money's been transfered and the satellits's ready for transport.



In other news:
- The mission to the one of the Bangka–Belitung Islands went badly when the landing crafts from the Archer class Missile Frigate came under machine gun fire. The frigate were forced to use one of our new SLAM weapons, each equipped with a HE/napalm warhead to ANNIHILATE the small uninhabited island. There were no survivors. The Sumatran goverment seemed quite unhappy about it.....

-The S'porean govt is wanting to start talks for a South East Asian Alliance between nearby countries like Australia, Indonesia, Thailand ect.

-I will be posting some really overdue picts soon. Mainly the SF-36 and the Heimdallr Intel Satellite.
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| May 31, 2011, 12:14 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117
In other news:
- The mission to the one of the Bangka–Belitung Islands went badly when the landing crafts from the Archer class Missile Frigate came under machine gun fire. The frigate were forced to use one of our new SLAM weapons, each equipped with a HE/napalm warhead to ANNIHILATE the small uninhabited island. There were no survivors. The Sumatran goverment seemed quite unhappy about it.....


OF COURSE they shot at you! That's Indo-Union territory! You're committing an act of war, bro.

Also, a cargo plane has been dispatched to pick up that satellite and bring it to the launch compound. It's been a pleasure doing business.
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| May 31, 2011, 1:58 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

OF COURSE they shot at you! That's Indo-Union territory! You're committing an act of war, bro.


Dude....when I last checked, the Indo-Union does NOT control Sumatra
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| May 31, 2011, 5:10 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You obviously have no concept as to how psychologically damaging such a complete change can be. Over 60% of the population in our territories (yours too, most likely; unless their cowering in fear of so-called "Hate speech" and afraid to voice their opinions. Greater civil rights my eye) would be absolutely devastated by it. At least another 20% who might not dislike that persuasion but wouldn't want to partake themselves and would also be devastated at the change their bodies undergo. So that leaves only 20% who wouldn't care.

I'd rather deal with musthard gas, it's much less proliferating when it hits, and is easily treated and defended against. Only about 20% of those affected are serious cases.

It's still better than death.

And I place no limits on freedom of speech. Please don't make false accusations.
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| May 31, 2011, 7:51 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I for some reason feel the need to apologize for not giving you a good enough fight. :P

Hopefully Brikkr comes back around soon, he'll get us going.

You call amigo?
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| May 31, 2011, 8:21 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Alright, but as the other three members have also stated, anything resembling space-planes and or remotely looking like ODST in any form outside traditional airborne corps is basically a nono, to keep things fair.

What about using Soyuz capsules as drop-pods? Far as I can tell, the only difference between that and a normal landing is that normally you're not landing in an enemy's territory and normally a cosmonaut isn't armed (except for that shotgun/flarelauncher/handcannon thing).
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| May 31, 2011, 8:56 am
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Silly conservatives, never taking the time to realize that the hormone bomb is better than regular bombs because it doesn't leave people dead.
Please stop with these snippy comments. It only serves to create more arguments and serves no purpose other than to agrivate both of you.
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| May 31, 2011, 9:24 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117

Dude....when I last checked, the Indo-Union does NOT control Sumatra


http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1551/diplomatslegionsbam.png

Check it out, homeskillet. Indo-Union: grey-green in Indonesia.
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| May 31, 2011, 10:36 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1551/diplomatslegionsbam.png

Check it out, homeskillet. Indo-Union: grey-green in Indonesia.


Well, at least the island was uninhabited:)
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| May 31, 2011, 11:50 am
Quoting Will G.
Ensure me that you will destroy the hormone bomb or never use it again, then we may go back to our pre-War relationship...

Using it again would be like telling an old joke twice in a row. It's all been gone for a while now. It no longer exists.
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| May 31, 2011, 1:33 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Where are yer Giga Chariots, would love to see a pic?

---

Anywho, the Ministry of Defence is happy to announce the the second batch of Russian-built Utility Air Cushions have all arrived, bringing the total number in service up to 96. We thank the Russian government heartily for this trade.

This memo came right before a second, also announcing the design process for our first domestic nuclear attack submarines, dubbed the Constantine-class, has been completed, and the first pair of boats will soon enter the beginning stages of production at the EAS shipyards on Crete.

Also, the Foreign Ministry would like to report that the sale of 200 M6A1 'Jackson' main battle tanks to the Cubans, for an overall price of 1.4 billion, and allowing Byzantine military assets to base at Cuban naval stations.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/5132082859/in/set-72157623893124796

A Chinese-Egyptian design.
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| May 31, 2011, 1:36 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Tom Neumo
Silly conservatives, never taking the time to realize that the hormone bomb is better than regular bombs because it doesn't leave people dead.
Please stop with these snippy comments. It only serves to create more arguments and serves no purpose other than to agrivate both of you.

Understood.
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| May 31, 2011, 4:00 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Heyo kiddies, new map is up.

Nothing IDU? :(
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| May 31, 2011, 9:11 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Nothing IDU? :(


IDU isn't a nation, it's an organization. >.>


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| May 31, 2011, 9:14 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

IDU isn't a nation, it's an organization. >.>



This, and we aren't going to allow someone to snatch up the entire Middle East and Northern Africa in a week. Also, Cliffe will have to focus on maybe one or two countries at a time for integration.
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| May 31, 2011, 9:16 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

This, and we aren't going to allow someone to snatch up the entire Middle East and Northern Africa in a week. Also, Cliffe will have to focus on maybe one or two countries at a time for integration.

Oh, I wasn't saying it's all mine now, I was saying they should maybe be added as satellite states, you know, with black stripy lines.
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| May 31, 2011, 9:47 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Brendonian ship designers have begun work on a new heavy cruiser to match the newly developed Chinese battleship. It will feature many missiles and some cannons, but will employ a reduced-RCS, like the Arleigh Burke-Class of destroyers.


But my battleship isn't a threat to you, all your lands are outside my historical stability zone. It's red, for foreign core area!

>.>

Oh well. I always enjoy causing havoc and/or non-hostile competition.
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| May 31, 2011, 9:56 pm
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Upon completion of an internal safety review, UNC Defense Council planners identified a major gap in our defenses: terrorist attacks. While we did suffer the Oslo massacre, the region has (fortunately) stabilized, with over 75% of pollers saying that being in the UNC was "superior" to being in independent countries (due to a lower tax rate), with most of the remainder saying it was on par. Thus, the time has come to shift from internal terror watch to more external terror threats. We are particularly concerned with individuals from Southeastern Europe, due to our stance with the Russians. At this time, there is a new dedicated anti-terror team whose purpose is to monitor "highly suspicious" invividuals, (selection for the lists is classified, but it is far more focused and refined than the former United States' crude racial profiling) and should all fail, be able to react to situations including, but not limited to: hostage situations, shootouts, gas attacks, dirty bombs, regular bombings on buildings, and cyberterrorism.

We suggest to Byzantium to perhaps aid us with these efforts to stem these "dangerous" people coming from your regions.
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| May 31, 2011, 10:10 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Realistically, possibly the closer states, such as Libya, Tunisia, Northern Sudan, I could see it. Although you're technically allied however (and I'm not sure which countries are in the IDU actually), the farther off countries like Morocco, maybe Algeria, Iran, Afghanistan, Oman, Yemen, etc etc, are still IMO a good while before you could really call them satellites.

I'm only really including Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tunisia, Oman, and Yemen. :
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| May 31, 2011, 10:23 pm
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Baltic News:

Along with the CEEEC, the CEEDC (Central/Eastern European Defense Cooperative) has now been established, and preparations are underway to merge these two cooperatives into one larger, and more cohesive, Central/Eastern European Cooperative, united the two functions.

So, now, The Baltic Union Poland, Hungary, Czech Rep., and Slovakia are looking into the idea of streamlining and standardizing equipment inventories.

In the spirit of this, Poland, in a bid to eliminate the need to use their severely aging F-16 fleet, has placed an order with Aero-Royale for 60 AR-13s, in order to modernize their air force.

The Polish Army is hesitant to replace some of their newer equipment, but there is serious talk going around of updating, upgrading, and even replacing large portions of the Czech, Slovak, and Hungarian Army's equipment. This would create much better performance standards as compared to the old soviet equipment they currently use, but if it were to happen, it would certainly take a good deal of new equipment production, and above all, time.


Quoting Evan Melick
>.>

We have a very peace-loving populace thank you very much.

Even in Serbia? I would find that hard to believe...
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| May 31, 2011, 10:28 pm
PCU Update!

Senegal!

End of hostilities! Remaining military being (worked in the Union to produce goods for Senegal and my people!) treated fairly!


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| May 31, 2011, 10:31 pm
Micronesia/Palau Update-
We have annexed most of the Micronesia, with peace talks and little military force. Palau had not agreed though, so military operations have been and are being conducted in the area. There was an amphibious assault yesterday near the capital Babelthuap on the main island of Chelbacheb. That was a mouthful. But, the landing was successful, and resistance has been light. The plan is to have one army group to advance to Koror, and a second army to advance to nearby Babelthuap. Resistance may be stronger officers suspect, but not enough to bog down any offensives. The island should be taken relatively quickly.
And I had mentioned the construction of a military satellite in a previous ICF, and it is complete. It has anti-ASAT almost flare-like things, so stay away. So the Australian military satellite is in the sky.
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| May 31, 2011, 11:07 pm
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After a strategic meeting with several foreign leaders, the UNC has diverted more funds to coastal defenses along the Baltic Sea, and increasing ABM capabilities across the board in all locales. More on this soon.
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| May 31, 2011, 11:59 pm
we now turn our attention into the appropriate annexing and militarizing of the Spratly Islands.

also, we have an anti-high-altitude stealth aircraft nearing completion. The plane flies beneath the enemy aircraft, and uses up-ward pointing retractable cannons to blow it out of the sky.

Beware.
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| June 1, 2011, 12:18 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
also, we have an anti-high-altitude stealth aircraft nearing completion. The plane flies beneath the enemy aircraft, and uses up-ward pointing retractable cannons to blow it out of the sky.

...And hence becomes both non-stealth and very vulnerable to said high-flying stealth aircraft. How is it going to see those aircraft anyhow? Such tactics only work against aircraft that are big, slow, and lumbering.
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| June 1, 2011, 12:47 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
we now turn our attention into the appropriate annexing and militarizing of the Spratly Islands.


Hey, but are you aware that Malaysia and Brunei (both part of the Republic of S'pore) have claims, and stationed military forces on some of the islands?

In other news:
- The goverment has decided to start the invasion of Thailand (only up till the Myanmar border). The SAF has already begun to secretly reposition their forces along the Thai border. The RSN has also positioned their ships near the Gulf of Thailand. At the same time, the RSAF has picked out a list of targets to be targeted attacked first. They are: RTAFB Surat Thani, RTAFB Takhli, RTAFB Korat, Don Muang Air Base and the HTMS Chakri Naruebet (an aircraft carrier). We are aware that if we seize the south Thailand region first, the population there would mostly support us over their corrupt goverment.
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| June 1, 2011, 1:18 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
also, we have an anti-high-altitude stealth aircraft nearing completion. The plane flies beneath the enemy aircraft, and uses up-ward pointing retractable cannons to blow it out of the sky.

Beware.

/Don't need to beware, I haz uberinterceptor.

Those Wacky Nazis tried something like that, IIRC they called it Schlange Musik because it looked like an organ. Didn't work so well.

EDIT:
*Schrage Musik, actually.
And it did work, just not for long:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%A4ge_Musik
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| June 1, 2011, 1:24 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
...And hence becomes both non-stealth and very vulnerable to said high-flying stealth aircraft. How is it going to see those aircraft anyhow? Such tactics only work against aircraft that are big, slow, and lumbering.

how do you figure that out?

(referring to everything you've said, you've only mindlessly accused every aspect of my project without providing any backing)
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| June 1, 2011, 1:56 am
Quoting Areetsa C
/Don't need to beware, I haz uberinterceptor.

Those Wacky Nazis tried something like that, IIRC they called it Schlange Musik because it looked like an organ. Didn't work so well.

EDIT:
*Schrage Musik, actually.
And it did work, just not for long:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%A4ge_Musik

what is so impossible about a fairly large Delta-wing aircraft that has an opening 'door' in it's top where the barrels of two 60 (or so) mm cannons would protrude, once the enemy target has been located??


Quoting TheSpectre 117
Quoting Danny Morgan
we now turn our attention into the appropriate annexing and militarizing of the Spratly Islands.


Hey, but are you aware that Malaysia and Brunei (both part of the Republic of S'pore) have claims, and stationed military forces on some of the islands?

Nope, when did this happen?
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| June 1, 2011, 1:58 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
what is so impossible about a fairly large Delta-wing aircraft that has an opening 'door' in it's top where the barrels of two 60 (or so) mm cannons would protrude, once the enemy target has been located??

Leaving out the fact that the biggest jet cannon that I know of is a 35mm? "Delta Wing" implies high speed. High speed implies that opening doors on the fuselage would have interesting consequences for aerodynamics.

Also: you'd have to get within spitting distance of the enemy to use it. Much better to just use a missile.
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| June 1, 2011, 2:20 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Danny Morgan
what is so impossible about a fairly large Delta-wing aircraft that has an opening 'door' in it's top where the barrels of two 60 (or so) mm cannons would protrude, once the enemy target has been located??

Leaving out the fact that the biggest jet cannon that I know of is a 35mm? "Delta Wing" implies high speed. High speed implies that opening doors on the fuselage would have interesting consequences for aerodynamics.

Also: you'd have to get within spitting distance of the enemy to use it. Much better to just use a missile.

think of an opening missile pod on a fighter jet. same thing really. The door doesn't open outwards, or even inwards if that's what you were thinking, it would slide open, and a AAA piece (surely more that 35 millimeters, we're talking anti-aircraft artillery here, not machine guns) would pivot around to face upwards, the barrels only just protruding from the end, creating very little drag or interrupted airflow. it would use laser and inferred sights to exactly pinpoint the enemy aircraft, and also judge the distance of the aircraft from the Delta Wing, so that master computer knows how far ahead of the target to aim the cannons in order for the projectile to make contact.

EDIT:
If all else fails, I'll use discrete EFPs. (explosive formed projectiles) in the top fuselage of my plane.

Another EDIT:
btw, the idea of a plane-mounted artillery system to take down high-flying stealth targets was originally spawned by Awesome'Saurus, and he knows what he's talking about more than I do when it come modern military, so...
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| June 1, 2011, 2:27 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
btw, the idea of a plane-mounted artillery system to take down high-flying stealth targets was originally spawned by Awesome'Saurus, and he knows what he's talking about more than I do when it come modern military, so...

Uh, I think that was a joke.

Just try SAMs. They're much less work.
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| June 1, 2011, 2:44 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Uh, I think that was a joke.

Just try SAMs. They're much less work.

It wasn't a joke...

and by SAMs (SURFACE-to-air Missiles) I assume you mean AAMs pointing upwards?
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| June 1, 2011, 2:47 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
It wasn't a joke...

and by SAMs (SURFACE-to-air Missiles) I assume you mean AAMs pointing upwards?

No. He means putting them on the surface, because sticking upward-firing missiles on a plane is just needlessly expensive.

Plus, if you're trying to take down stealth targets, you wouldn't even know where the stealth plane was until you got within visual range. That's what stealth means, you can't find it. And meanwhile, that plane's radar would see you the whole way and they would be able to blow your plane out of the sky at an given moment.
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| June 1, 2011, 7:51 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
how do you figure that out?

1) There remains the difficulty of finding out where those stealth aircraft are. Just because you know they're attacking you doesn't mean that you know exactly where they are.
2) Once you have found the stealth aircraft and open up a weapons bay on the top, that aircraft (usually utilizing look-down radar) now can see you because you've shown it a target the size of a barn door. Not to mention the inherent "un-stealthiness" of a cannon.
3) The slightest maneuver will throw off your aim utterly. Unlike weapons pointing forward, crews will have to maneuver unnaturally to re-acquire the target.
4) Historically, such methods only work in specific scenarios against aircraft that 1. don't know you're there, 2. are much slower and couldn't outmaneuver the pursuant aircraft even if they wanted to.

I can only assume you mean the Arketer and my B-3, both of which are rather respected worldwide. Both of them could either hit & run before reactions were registered, or could wildly outmaneuver in order to escape.
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| June 1, 2011, 11:46 am
Egypt has set out to deliver the 150 PCU-designed MT-5s it has produced for our client.

IDU!:

Even further integration is continuing. A unified currency has been accepted: the Egyptian "Nebu" (means "Gold" in Middle Egyptian). Organization of the IDU parliament has been more or less finalized, with the Pharaoh as the Prime Minister.
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| June 1, 2011, 12:34 pm
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With the apparent conclusion of our drills with the Russians, we have some conclusions to draw
Things that went wrong/ things to improve on.
1) Our reserve forces lack adequate ATGM protection. This will be fixed with increased APS distribution outside of frontline units
2) The Sparv's introduction to "combat" was relatively premature, with aviators unfamiliar with the nuances of the aircraft, owing to their humiliating losses to the two decades old PAK-FA
3) Reservist training is inadequate, especially considering our tankers, used to Leo 2s, barely had any training on the C5A tanks.
4) Our infantry was largely uncoordinated, as if they were, losses should have been lower. In addition, their performance with ATGMs and crew served Anti-Shipping Missiles was found to be wholly inadequate.
5) We lack strong artillery support, allowing the Russians to land relatively untouched.

What did work:
1) CAS from older Gripens was effective against tanks, even in a SAM rich environment
2) Response times from aircrews prevented a wholesale defeat

Altogether, we suffered from a non-cohesive plan (that is, no plan at all) and being only able to muster reserves.

What we will do to fix these things:
-Increased training of all forces, particularly of tank crews and infantry.
- Better familization programs with the Sparv
- C5 upgrades
- Better infantry-based anti shipping missiles
- new APS systems. We invite the Russians to help us develop such a system advanced enough to defeat their 90 degree attack munitions
- Increased focus keeping up-to date forces
- IFV support and training

While we will not offer an invitation to a rematch until our problems can be fixed, next time I will host a major armor event, perhaps in a month or so.



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| June 1, 2011, 1:38 pm
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Several naval projects are ongoing:
-The Nimitz-class carrier has been moved to Corpus Christi for weapons upgrades and other modifications, as well as taking on aircraft.
-Proposals for the conversion of four FTC merchant ships under construction into amphibious assault ships, construction halted while engineers do some number crunching.
-Training of Steel crew moving to advanced stages after computer repairs are completed.
-Distribution of Sea Lion to supplement existing defenses.
-Coast Guard now recruiting locals in the Baja, should be issuing specs for new ships.

The M45 light tank is slated to be phased out of service by the end of July; they won’t even serve with reserve or guard units. They will be scrapped and sold to heavy machinery companies. With their armor made out of steel still, they won’t have to be scrapped off first to protect armor compositions or anything. It is likely the engines will be preserved and stockpiled for a future class of amphibious IFVs. Speaking of recycling, the turrets of the now decommissioned M90 MkI have been crushed & melted down. The 55 chassis await unity with either MkII turrets or M80 turrets.

In foreign news, the second ship full of war material has set sail for Cuba with the purchased goods; all of the necessary things to fill that nation’s order are aboard. Both Guatemalan and Belize government bodies voted in a unification bill; they are now called collectively the Republic of Central America (RCA). Belize wasn’t too happy about it, but believed that unification would be best for economic reasons. A national currency has been developed and banks are putting forward proposals for streamlining the process. The militaries are beginning to discuss ways to ensure cohesion. With it, the modernization of the former Belize military machine is amongst the top priorities. Pilots will soon start training from both nations at the RCA Pilot’s Academy with cirricula taken straight from the Air Force Academy. Petitions have been sent to the Republic for three squadrons of F-29s. This request will likely not be filled until the end of July.

The second round of CAS practice from all branches from the RCA and the WR is scheduled for June 4. WWII ground attack tactics have been looked over for the OV-11s, since the pilots will be executing attacks often below 100 feet. This exercise will spill over into Sunday, which will also include faux aerial combat in what could turn into ‘Top Gun’ like programs.

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| June 1, 2011, 4:05 pm
A question for all, would a 37mm machine gun work as a concept in real life?.
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| June 1, 2011, 4:45 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
A question for all, would a 37mm machine gun work as a concept in real life?.

Depends. Infantry machine gun? No. Aircraft machine gun? Would work better with 25-30mm. Vehicle machine gun? Might, but probably only on APCs or light AFVs, not trucks or utility vehicles like Hummers. After all, 37mm was the average round for most WWII light tanks, so it's pretty big.
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| June 1, 2011, 4:50 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Depends. Infantry machine gun? No. Aircraft machine gun? Would work better with 25-30mm. Vehicle machine gun? Might, but probably only on APCs or light AFVs, not trucks or utility vehicles like Hummers. After all, 37mm was the average round for most WWII light tanks, so it's pretty big.
I really think otherwise by looking at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M3
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| June 1, 2011, 5:03 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter I really think otherwise by looking at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M3


I hope your troops enjoy lugging around a 912.01 lb "machine gun." The ammunition weight alone makes it entire impractical.
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| June 1, 2011, 5:08 pm
Quoting Glenn streeter
I really think otherwise by looking at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M3

That's an AT Gun. You'd need a truck to pull that...
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| June 1, 2011, 5:09 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
I really think otherwise by looking at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M3

Pardon me for bringing up potentially painful memories, but remember why you lost the war in the last group? This is why. You insist on using 1930s era weaponry in wars 100 years later. Those guns became obsolete during the Korean War in 1950, or at least largely so.

Take my advice, ditch the towed anti-tank guns and go with rockets or else you'll lose just as badly again.
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| June 1, 2011, 5:18 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

I hope your troops enjoy lugging around a 912.01 lb "machine gun." The ammunition weight alone makes it entire impractical.
Could work but your right in ways it would be impractical.
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| June 1, 2011, 5:19 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Pardon me for bringing up potentially painful memories, but remember why you lost the war in the last group? This is why. You insist on using 1930s era weaponry in wars 100 years later. Those guns became obsolete during the Korean War in 1950, or at least largely so.

Take my advice, ditch the towed anti-tank guns and go with rockets or else you'll lose just as badly again.
Never said anything about an AT gun , machine gun . Katusha rocket lorry? possible?. Give a day or five and i will have something unique.

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| June 1, 2011, 5:21 pm
The navy decided that its current stealth warships are not advanced enough to operate efficiently in the modern world. We will be selling our Type-45 destroyers, and replacing them with a new class of stealth destroyer.

Designing of the new Sabre IFV is nearing completion, we plan to order enough to replace our entire fleet of Warriors. The Sabre will also come in a light tank variant with a much heavier main gun, and it will be known as the Skirmisher. This hopefully will replace our recon tanks, and provide our army with the firepower that it needs for the time being.

With a new man in Argentina, we affirm that we will not be ceding the Falkland Islands under any condition. For now we will be constructing air defenses on the island after hearing the new government's intents to have the islands.
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| June 1, 2011, 5:31 pm
Quoting henry wang
The navy decided that its current stealth warships are not advanced enough to operate efficiently in the modern world. We will be selling our Type-45 destroyers, and replacing them with a new class of stealth destroyer.

Designing of the new Sabre IFV is nearing completion, we plan to order enough to replace our entire fleet of Warriors. The Sabre will also come in a light tank variant with a much heavier main gun, and it will be known as the Skirmisher. This hopefully will replace our recon tanks, and provide our army with the firepower that it needs for the time being.

With a new man in Argentina, we affirm that we will not be ceding the Falkland Islands under any condition. For now we will be constructing air defenses on the island after hearing the new government's intents to have the islands.

I would love to buy a few of those destroyers if your selling them to player controlled countries.
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| June 1, 2011, 5:55 pm
Quoting luke peterson

I require orders for Training by 9:00 Pm CST tonight or your boys are going home disappointed.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:01 pm
Quoting luke peterson
I would love to buy a few of those destroyers if your selling them to player controlled countries.

They're pretty expensive, I'm going to want at least 1 billion pounds.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:09 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I require orders for Training by 9:00 Pm CST tonight or your boys are going home disappointed.

Okay, I'm still trying to understand this, I just send in normal Combat orders like it's a real war.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:11 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
I require orders for Training by 9:00 Pm CST tonight or your boys are going home disappointed.

Heard from the CU yet?
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| June 1, 2011, 6:12 pm
Quoting henry wang
They're pretty expensive, I'm going to want at least 1 billion pounds.

Considering I haven't made many large purchases or waged war in a while, I think my military buget can afford two.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:13 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Okay, I'm still trying to understand this, I just send in normal Combat orders like it's a real war.

Yep, just like a real war, including troop numbers, tactics, etc.


Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Heard from the CU yet?

Not yet.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:16 pm
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In a remarkable discovery, the Baltic Navy has realized that it posses too many LAS-2 Submarines for what they were designed to do.

With this in mind, we are selling 10 to Poland, where they have anxiously awaited replacements for their aging sub fleet for awhile. Their single Kilo class sub is going to be sent to Namibia, while their other older subs will be scrapped.

Speaking of the Polish and Namibian Navies, the Polish has also agreed to sell two Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates to the Namibians and they, in turn, will receive 4 Admiral Neumo Mk. 2 Class Destroyers to be built starting immediately.


In other news, the island in the Baltic where strange "pillars of smoke" had been seen previously has again been active, with citizens reporting more sightings on at least two more occasions, this brings the total number of sightings up to 4 separate events, but with no explanation forthcoming,it seems this may soon become old news.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:31 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
- new APS systems. We invite the Russians to help us develop such a system advanced enough to defeat their 90 degree attack munitions

We accept your invitation with great honor. This will certainly make future exercises against you quite difficult and all the more pleasing, to say the least.

Also, with the UNC's refined focus on anti-terror methodology the Union State would be greatly pleased if your union would allow for cooperative training exercises with us involving counter-terrorism. With our recent crack-downs in the Caucasus, Ukraine, and in Moscow, the Union State would think it best that we get additional field data from teams outside of our nation so we may better react and prevent any domestic hostilities that may harm the masses.

Finally, the Union State has contacted Vojvodina here recently for talks on increased commerce and possible arms sales. Due to Serbia's interest in joining the joint states of Belarus and Russia at one point during the early 2000s, the Union State now thinks it'd be nice to revise those interests for the sake of finding more political partners that don't exactly touch our political borders. Of course we expect much hostility from the Byzantines, but it's nothing we're not used to.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:50 pm
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In the Middle Kingdom:
-Ships, planes, helicopters, assorted vehicles, and tanks are being made as usual.
-Troops engaged in training in various terrains, from the deserts of Gansu, to the mountains of Tibet, to the tropics of Yunnan, to the cold steppes of Mongolia.
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| June 1, 2011, 6:53 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Also, with the UNC's refined focus on anti-terror methodology the Union State would be greatly pleased if your union would allow for cooperative training exercises with us involving counter-terrorism.

The Baltic Union would also be interested in these cooperative anti-terrorism exercises. Might it be possible for us to also be included?
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| June 1, 2011, 7:00 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
- new APS systems. We invite the Russians to help us develop such a system advanced enough to defeat their 90 degree attack munitions

I already have one of those, if it helps.
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| June 1, 2011, 7:19 pm
Quoting henry wang
They're pretty expensive, I'm going to want at least 1 billion pounds.

1 billion? That's rather cheap... IIRC Tom's Admrial Neumos were 2.5 Billion when I bought them. I'd say that even old stealth ships would be worth 1-2 Billion apiece.
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| June 1, 2011, 7:35 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
1 billion? That's rather cheap... IIRC Tom's Admrial Neumos were 2.5 Billion when I bought them. I'd say that even old stealth ships would be worth 1-2 Billion apiece.

They are at least 20 years old, and I'm taking out most sensors and stuff because most of it is classified.

@ Luke
I'm going to be taking out most of the sensors, radar, and computers because they are all classified and are still in use. I'll be installing any sort of equipment that you want on your ships. So that will be 2 billion pounds.
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| June 1, 2011, 7:40 pm
Quoting henry wang

@ Luke
I'm going to be taking out most of the sensors, radar, and computers because they are all classified and are still in use. I'll be installing any sort of equipment that you want on your ships. So that will be 2 billion pounds.

Pleaseure doing buisness, you can ship them over as soon as you like.
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| June 1, 2011, 8:04 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Pleaseure doing buisness, you can ship them over as soon as you like.

They'll be in your hands by next week, pleasure doing business.
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| June 1, 2011, 8:05 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
Yep, just like a real war, including troop numbers, tactics

Can I get the terrain and Other competitors please?
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| June 1, 2011, 8:07 pm
@ critics of my Delta Wing.

Ok, I do see some valid points here. But here are my responses:

- I wanted a platform that could reach planes that are normally unreachable by ground-based artillery and missile systems, without actually putting the plane in a direct line of fire, ie being able to blast high alt planes from below.

- by the time the plane opened it's artillery doors (making itself unstealthy) it would be too late for the planes it had already targeted.

- The Delta Wing is not an attack plane, it is an interceptor intended to retaliate to air attacks in it's area. Stealth aircraft make themselves known once they start plastering the surface with bombs, so it wouldn't be too hard for my plane to locate the enemy aircraft.



If all else fails and the admins decide to dis-allow my aircraft concept, I guess I'll change my delta wing into a normal high-altitude stealth interceptor...
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| June 1, 2011, 8:09 pm
Quoting luke peterson
Can I get the terrain and Other competitors please?

It's an urban setting- Mazatlan, Mexico. You'll be competing against me. Don't worry, I won't cheat I've got my stuff written up already.
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| June 1, 2011, 8:19 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
It's an urban setting- Mazatlan, Mexico. You'll be competing against me. Don't worry, I won't cheat I've got my stuff written up already.

Orders will be in in a sec.
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| June 1, 2011, 8:24 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan

- by the time the plane opened it's artillery doors (making itself unstealthy) it would be too late for the planes it had already targeted.


The plane you targeted, once it knows that you are there, could easily move out of your line of fire and hit you with a missile.

Quoting Danny Morgan
- The Delta Wing is not an attack plane, it is an interceptor intended to retaliate to air attacks in it's area. Stealth aircraft make themselves known once they start plastering the surface with bombs, so it wouldn't be too hard for my plane to locate the enemy aircraft.

But it's STEALTH. It doesn't matter if bombs are exploding on the ground, once the bomb-bay doors close again, you lose it off radar, and once again, you have no idea where it is.

Quoting Brikkr ™
1 billion? That's rather cheap... IIRC Tom's Admrial Neumos were 2.5 Billion when I bought them. I'd say that even old stealth ships would be worth 1-2 Billion apiece.

keep in mind the pound-dollar conversion rate ;)

(although I think the Admiral Neumos were less than that, you must be thinking of my Stealth Cruisers...)
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| June 1, 2011, 8:30 pm
Quoting Brikkr ™
It's an urban setting- Mazatlan, Mexico. You'll be competing against me. Don't worry, I won't cheat I've got my stuff written up already.

AHHHHH! Your not a flickr contact! Gimme a link!
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| June 1, 2011, 8:34 pm
Quoting luke peterson
AHHHHH! Your not a flickr contact! Gimme a link!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52840060@N08/
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| June 1, 2011, 8:41 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
But it's STEALTH. It doesn't matter if bombs are exploding on the ground, once the bomb-bay doors close again, you lose it off radar, and once again, you have no idea where it is.

Quoting Brikkr ™
1 billion? That's rather cheap... IIRC Tom's Admrial Neumos were 2.5 Billion when I bought them. I'd say that even old stealth ships would be worth 1-2 Billion apiece.

keep in mind the pound-dollar conversion rate ;)

(although I think the Admiral Neumos were less than that, you must be thinking of my Stealth Cruisers...)

well we'll see what the admins say, but how are stealth aircraft battles supposed to take place if neither side knows where the enemy's stealth planes are?
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| June 1, 2011, 9:01 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
well we'll see what the admins say, but how are stealth aircraft battles supposed to take place if neither side knows where the enemy's stealth planes are?

Besides the fact that that's the whole point of stealth aircraft...

The entire American War took place like that.
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| June 1, 2011, 9:14 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
Besides the fact that that's the whole point of stealth aircraft...

The entire American War took place like that.

so do stealth aircraft not give off ANY heat emissions?
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| June 1, 2011, 9:22 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
so do stealth aircraft not give off ANY heat emissions?

If you build them correctly, they don't.
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| June 1, 2011, 9:24 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
If you build them correctly, they don't.

nice...

are you telling me that Stealth aircraft are untouchable from absolutely anything? Isn't there any way to detect them?
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| June 1, 2011, 9:29 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
well we'll see what the admins say, but how are stealth aircraft battles supposed to take place if neither side knows where the enemy's stealth planes are?

They don't. You bomb the runways and fuel tanks instead.
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| June 1, 2011, 9:34 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
nice...

are you telling me that Stealth aircraft are untouchable from absolutely anything? Isn't there any way to detect them?

You have to get up close in a line of sight battle in another Stealth aircraft. No way to detect them. That's kinda what stealth means.

For your sake, why don't you just go read the F-35 Wikipedia page.

Quoting Brendan Dore
Are you saying that you've seen an engine that gives off absolutely no heat?

There are coolant systems that make the heat undetectable at range. Yes.

again, read the Wikipedia F-35 page, or just the general "stealth aircraft" page.
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| June 1, 2011, 9:53 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Actually, the Serbians in Kosovo took out an F-117 by basically just pointing enough high-powered radar at the thing, if I remember correctly.

IIRC, the Commander of the guns that shot it down watched them fly over very often and just aimed in that general direction whenever it was time that they normally flew over. Luck, I believe, more than skill.
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| June 1, 2011, 10:05 pm
Stealth is by no means invincible. Sure, there are coolants, but there is no way to eliminate all exhaust heat or infrared heat. Next one can detect stealth by trying to see patterns in air turbulence. Finally one can utilize passive low frequency radar that is hooked up to advanced computers to filter the data. All in all stealth is not perfect, but it can be very close to it. But still, the best way to counter stealth is Air-to-Air Combat using one's own stealth aircraft.

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| June 1, 2011, 10:07 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Actually, the Serbians in Kosovo took out an F-117 by basically just pointing enough high-powered radar at the thing, if I remember correctly.

That owed more to a mechanical failure on the aircraft that caused it to lose its stealth capabilities. They used the same radar throughout the war, and only managed to shoot down one of about 20 F-117s. They never found another one, because the one the found was faulty.

IIRC it was a faulty bomb-bay door that refused to shut.
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| June 1, 2011, 10:23 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Actually, the Serbians in Kosovo took out an F-117 by basically just pointing enough high-powered radar at the thing, if I remember correctly.


Radar gun: Now in literal form!
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| June 1, 2011, 10:35 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Actually, the Serbians in Kosovo took out an F-117 by basically just pointing enough high-powered radar at the thing, if I remember correctly.

'Twas low frequency radar they used. According to analysts, that's supposed to be the next feasible countermeasure to stealth, but the current research is likely heavily classified. I didn't have much luck getting CMs to understand that in this last war.

What Henry said is pretty much true. Low frequency radar is what meteorologists use to find out how much rain we're expected to get, and it picks up anything and everything. However, if you could, as Henry said, get a good enough limited AI computer to filter out the background noise, you could get a lock (or at the very least you'd know generally where to send the interceptors).

Quoting Danny Morgan
nice...

are you telling me that Stealth aircraft are untouchable from absolutely anything? Isn't there any way to detect them?

If you know how to do it right, you have a reasonable chance to find them, but not with radar. I won't say much more, because I plan on using those plans later and they're rather good. They haven't, however, ever been put to the test in my wars. So, shh.
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| June 1, 2011, 10:36 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
'Twas low frequency radar they used. According to analysts, that's supposed to be the next feasible countermeasure to stealth, but the current research is likely heavily classified. I didn't have much luck getting CMs to understand that in this last war.

What Henry said is pretty much true. Low frequency radar is what meteorologists use to find out how much rain we're expected to get, and it picks up anything and everything. However, if you could, as Henry said, get a good enough limited AI computer to filter out the background noise, you could get a lock (or at the very least you'd know generally where to send the interceptors).

The problem with that radar however, is the return of a stealth aircraft is so small (under normal circumstances) that it appears the same size as almost every bird in the area (or smaller), and you have to sort through many possible targets...
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| June 1, 2011, 10:38 pm
fine, I'll just make a normal stealth attack plane, seeing as most of you are too narrow minded to accept new ideas.

:P
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| June 1, 2011, 10:39 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
'Twas low frequency radar they used. According to analysts, that's supposed to be the next feasible countermeasure to stealth, but the current research is likely heavily classified. I didn't have much luck getting CMs to understand that in this last war.

What Henry said is pretty much true. Low frequency radar is what meteorologists use to find out how much rain we're expected to get, and it picks up anything and everything. However, if you could, as Henry said, get a good enough limited AI computer to filter out the background noise, you could get a lock (or at the very least you'd know generally where to send the interceptors).


Exactly the point that I made before SOMEBODY decided to delete it in a futile effort to prevent this conversation *angry eyes at Evan*

If you look at Moore's Law (computing power doubles every two years) it is entirely feasible to think that by this time supercomputers designed to sift through the data could be used in conjunction with ultra-low frequency radar to find stealth aircraft, albeit with some difficulty, as stealth becomes more advanced as well.

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| June 1, 2011, 10:41 pm
hmm, now people are defending my side of the argument...

ok, can we have a poll please?

Is:
(a): my project of aircraft mounted AAA/upward pointing missiles legitimate?
(b): or not effective?
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| June 1, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Exactly the point that I made before SOMEBODY decided to delete it in a futile effort to prevent this conversation *angry eyes at Evan*

If you look at Moore's Law (computing power doubles every two years) it is entirely feasible to think that by this time supercomputers designed to sift through the data could be used in conjunction with ultra-low frequency radar to find stealth aircraft, albeit with some difficulty, as stealth becomes more advanced as well.

>.>

I sense an admin war coming up. Well, I tried to utilize it, using that exact same logic. I gave up after awhile.

Quoting Danny Morgan
fine, I'll just make a normal stealth attack plane, seeing as most of you are too narrow minded to accept old ideas that when they were new had only limited successes for a 3 year period.

:P

*Fixed. =P

Just remember that every other night fighter had guns pointing FORWARDS and not up...

Quoting Danny Morgan
(b): or not effective?

Answered above, not effective.
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| June 1, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
hmm, now people are defending my side of the argument...

ok, can we have a poll please?

Is:
(a): my project of aircraft mounted AAA/upward pointing missiles legitimate?
(b): or not effective?

Tracking stealth aircraft, despite advances in technology, is still way difficult, and often times prone to failure.

Upward facing guns or missiles would be too hard to control from a plane.

(b)
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| June 1, 2011, 10:48 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
>.>

I sense an admin war coming up. Well, I tried to utilize it, using that exact same logic. I gave up after awhile.


I love admin wars. It's like watching gods battle.

Actually, no, it isn't. They're the most realistic of all of us, so everything is like "Send some guys here." "Send a few tanks." "Let's pull out. How about peace now?" "Ok."
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| June 1, 2011, 10:49 pm
ok, unless 3 people randomly say my project is legitimate, operation aborted.

project modified for high altitude stealth fighter/bomber roles.
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| June 1, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Good thing that I just increased my own counter-terror activities...

The funniest thing is that it isn't even that hard to figure out who did it...
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| June 1, 2011, 11:15 pm
Oh dear.
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| June 1, 2011, 11:22 pm
Oh dear. You know whoever ordered this is a real mastermind if he gets praise from an admin in public.
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| June 1, 2011, 11:29 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Good thing that I just increased my own counter-terror activities...

The funniest thing is that it isn't even that hard to figure out who did it...

If you mean me, you're wrong. I had no part in this, and actually just logged on after hearing of it from Cliffe. However, anybody who strikes the WR is a good man in my book.
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| June 1, 2011, 11:30 pm
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Terrorism? That's no way to run a railroad. For shame!
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| June 1, 2011, 11:32 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
If you mean me, you're wrong. I had no part in this, and actually just logged on after hearing of it from Cliffe. However, anybody who strikes the WR is a good man in my book.


No.
1) Are you an Asian country? No
2) Do you use "lovingly cared for AKs" No
3) Is your preferred method of warfare terrorism, and/or do you always threaten it? No

While I am surprised that it is not as evident to others as it is to me, I must announce that I will not be on until late Sunday night. That is, if this group even exists then >.>


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| June 1, 2011, 11:32 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
The AK-47's and co. were not describing the nation responsible army's standard weaponry, in fact, they were not included in said person's orders. They were added by me to ensure that the insurgents' weapons could not be tracked, and what better weapons to use than black market AK's?


Maybe, but your other hint as well as the entire scheme itself make it highly evident who did it.

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| June 1, 2011, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C


One, two the Ultra's coming for you...

Three, four better lock the door...

Five, six can't pick up the stacks...

Seven, eight gonna hate yourself...

Nine, ten we'll do it again...
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| June 1, 2011, 11:38 pm
Unless, of course, the details were made out to be so obvious, that the seemingly guilty party is infact innocent and is being framed.

Just a possibility.
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| June 1, 2011, 11:40 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

Maybe, but your other hint as well as the entire scheme itself make it highly evident who did it.

Not to mention, some of us, as CMs, have received similar sets of orders from a certain person. Specifically calling for similar attacks, and making explicit use of such similar, specific details...


The Baltic Union's profound condolences go out to the families and the people of the Western Republic tonight. It is times like these when the international community should stand and mourn the loss of innocence in the face of such petty violent outbursts.
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| June 1, 2011, 11:41 pm
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Not to mention, some of us, as CMs, have received similar sets of orders from a certain person. Specifically calling for similar attacks, and making explicit use of such similar, specific details...


Indeed, which is why I'm not spoiling the surprise :3

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After viewing the horrific scenes of attack, the UNC's PM unanimously denounced the attacks from that nation which I know for sure it is but since its not officially established I cannot name, and has barred all travel to and fro said unnamed country. Luckily for us, contingent plans have already been drawn up in case of something like this, as this nation has been under extreme suspicion of instability and of state-sponsored terrorism, along with similarly terroristic threats. We call on her neighbors to denounce such attacks, although likely they are greeting this loss of life with glee.

With that, my hiatus begins. Erik has control in case something happens.
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| June 1, 2011, 11:42 pm
lotsa terrorist attack stuff?

well, lucky I'm neutral at the moment... I see no reason why I should be attacked in my current state of peace...
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| June 1, 2011, 11:43 pm
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Deviously genius? Asians? Old Soviet weapons? The setup screams Alenia. But devious... What if someone is trying to make it look like it was the Alenians? Did you think about that?


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| June 2, 2011, 12:32 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Deviously genius? Asians? Old Soviet weapons? The setup screams Alenia. But devious... What if someone is trying to make it look like it was the Alenians? Did you think about that?

Yep, it was a passing thought. If someone tried to frame me, I'd make it clear it wasn't me. Wouldn't you?
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| June 2, 2011, 12:39 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Yep, it was a passing thought. If someone tried to frame me, I'd make it clear it wasn't me. Wouldn't you?


Indeed. In any case, I predict an ICBM barrage on some nation, so I'mma ready evacuation routes in all my major cities.

You can never be too prepared!
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| June 2, 2011, 12:42 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Nope, when did this happen?


Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands
-About 45 islands are occupied by relatively small numbers of military forces from Vietnam, the People's Republic of China, the Republic of China (Taiwan), Malaysia and the Philippines. Brunei has also claimed an EEZ in the southeastern part of the Spratlys encompassing just one area of small islands above mean high water (on Louisa Reef.)

My only concern is that S'pore (malaysia and brunei) would lose stragic and economic areas if you invade, as the islands have small airfields, heliports, harbours and fishing ports... Also, with the Thai invasion starting this saturday, i would be needing these facilities to carry out first strikes on key airfields, ports and bases.

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Terrorist attacks? we've already got pirates here...still more to come? Maybe its time to reveal SHIELD's new babies.... (evil smile)

In other news:
-The invasion of Thailand has been scheduled for this saturday. However, 'tourists' are already in the country spreading word of rebelion against the goverment...
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| June 2, 2011, 1:16 am
Quoting Ultramarine .

NOW we're even.


/And for the record, I've been sending more or less the same set of orders to pretty much every CM involved in the other Great Patriotic War for quite some time now.

Quoting TheSpectre 117
Terrorist attacks?

For the record, I don't support terrorism. Which is why the OVB doesn't DO terrorist things, except to retaliate for those of other countries. Now, if Ultra'd stop chucking ICBMs around, I'd be quite happy to shift focus towards more military targets. But there's not much chance of THAT.
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| June 2, 2011, 1:22 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117

Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands
-About 45 islands are occupied by relatively small numbers of military forces from Vietnam, the People's Republic of China, the Republic of China (Taiwan), Malaysia and the Philippines. Brunei has also claimed an EEZ in the southeastern part of the Spratlys encompassing just one area of small islands above mean high water (on Louisa Reef.)


Idea: Why doesn't the Republic of S'pore, the Indo-Union, and Koaxiang Empire all sit down together and divide up these islands?
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| June 2, 2011, 1:28 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Idea: Why doesn't the Republic of S'pore, the Indo-Union, and Koaxiang Empire all sit down together and divide up these islands?

I like that.

two votes against one, spectre. Sorry, you're just gonna have to share em out.

now don't get hasty precious...
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| June 2, 2011, 1:33 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
I like that.

two votes against one, spectre. Sorry, you're just gonna have to share em out.

now don't get hasty precious...


Hey! I like that idea too...dont mind sharing them.
But then, who controls the Philippines and Taiwan, and their opinion in this?
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| June 2, 2011, 2:39 am
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Quoting TheSpectre 117

Hey! I like that idea too...dont mind sharing them.
But then, who controls the Philippines and Taiwan, and their opinion in this?

Awe controls Taiwan. The Phillipines don't matter because they aren't con controlled.
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| June 2, 2011, 7:22 am
In the SC...

The President fully condemns the terrorist attacks and we will officially close air travel into Asia until this is sorted out. Security and Anti-terrorism will be beefed up and potential terrorism links will be jailed, interrogated, and/or deported. This won't be happening to us. MP and Bomb Squads are getting new training to deal with the new threats of "organized terrorism."

With a new leader in Argentina, we hope that they follow our example and crack down on the Cartels in their lands. a mechanized infantry battalion is being relocated down there to deal with any threat of invasion, as invading the nearest country is the trend with new members these days.
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| June 2, 2011, 7:47 am
Quoting Brikkr ™
The President fully condemns the terrorist attacks and we will officially close air travel into Asia until this is sorted out. Security and Anti-terrorism will be beefed up and potential terrorism links will be jailed, interrogated, and/or deported. This won't be happening to us. MP and Bomb Squads are getting new training to deal with the new threats of "organized terrorism."

Just want to point out something:
you're not a target. You haven't yet done anything to my civilian population, and until you do, you're safe- from attacks on your civilians, anyway.

"Terrorism" is in fact the wrong word. A more accurate description would be "special forces raids that happen to be aimed at civilian targets".
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| June 2, 2011, 10:12 am
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Quoting Areetsa C

NOW we're even.


/And for the record, I've been sending more or less the same set of orders to pretty much every CM involved in the other Great Patriotic War for quite some time now.

Aye, but that be the tragic part of this yet, young one. I don't do "Even."
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| June 2, 2011, 10:24 am
Quoting Areetsa C
"Terrorism" is in fact the wrong word. A more accurate description would be "special forces raids that happen to be aimed at civilian targets to cause terror and unrest throughout the targeted society".
Fixed.
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| June 2, 2011, 10:29 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Aye, but that be the tragic part of this yet, young one. I don't do "Even."

Well, that's nice for you.

You'll run out of pseudonukes eventually, anyway.


Or get deposed by an angry populace. Either-or.

Quoting Brikkr ™
Fixed.

And what do you call threatening to drop thermobaric missiles on people? Different sides of the same coin, m'lad.
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| June 2, 2011, 10:32 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Well, that's nice for you.

You'll run out of pseudonukes eventually, anyway.


Or get deposed by an angry populace. Either-or.

Unless I make more. People are generally unwilling to "Depose" a government they freely elected, you know.
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| June 2, 2011, 11:25 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Unless I make more. People are generally unwilling to "Depose" a government they freely elected, you know.

The people of the United States freely elected Barack Obama, they seem to want to depose him right now.
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| June 2, 2011, 1:15 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The people of the United States freely elected Barack Obama, they seem to want to depose him right now.

You depose a monarch or a dictator. You recall, impeach, or force the resignation of a President.

Depositions usually force a change in form of government. It's bad terminology to apply to a republic since the only thing that will change is one man's office usually.
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| June 2, 2011, 3:35 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

The people are going to be more angry at the group that causes the attacks on civilians then at the government that retaliates. So just like America after 9/11, his people will most likely call out for retaliatory strikes.
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| June 2, 2011, 4:19 pm
Quoting henry wang
The people are going to be more angry at the group that causes the attacks on civilians then at the government that retaliates. So just like America after 9/11, his people will most likely call out for retaliatory strikes.

Except this IS a retaliatory strike. The cause of this is Ultra deciding to throw pseudonukes around in a war that had nothing to do with him.

The difference is, A: his thermobaric weapons might have worked on the hivelike apartment complexes of Japan, but Alenia is a bit less centralised and I've had MONTHS to harden important facilities, and B: a pseudonuke only hits once per launch. A commando raid might hit once, and go away forever; or it might reoccur somewhere else with no warning.

Speaking of which, next up in the news: a former OVB agent tells us of 101 fun and entertaining things to do with timed fuses.
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| June 2, 2011, 4:57 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

The thing is is that both your populations will be angry at each other. It's like the Taliban, they claimed that they retaliated with 9/11 and their people were pretty angry and agreed with it. Yet, the US retaliatory strikes also had the same amount of support from America's population. His people are no less angry at you then your population is at him.
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| June 2, 2011, 5:16 pm
Quoting henry wang
The thing is is that both your populations will be angry at each other. It's like the Taliban, they claimed that they retaliated with 9/11 and their people were pretty angry and agreed with it. Yet, the US retaliatory strikes also had the same amount of support from America's population. His people are no less angry at you then your population is at him.

Maybe, but this does have the advantage of causing rather significant morale issues if he tries to fight a more overt war, with the whole "the home territories are as dangerous to your health as the front lines" thing.
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| June 2, 2011, 5:25 pm
The Southern Confederation Navy proudly presents it's newest weapons: the Admiral Class Battlecruiser,
http://m.flickr.com/photos/52840060@N08/5791162489/
And the Tupi Class Destroyer.
http://m.flickr.com/photos/52840060@N08/5791740918/
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| June 2, 2011, 6:05 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic…

With the footage of the attacks still fresh on his mind, the President is faced with a bad situation and very dark choices. Several military proposals are making their way to his desk, he doesn’t like very many of them, but he must do something. Already analysts are hyping this up as the ‘defining moment’ of his Presidency, and the world waits to see what will happen. Long-term options also exist. There seems to be no good way for this to end. The President made a television appearance from a classified location this afternoon to assure the public that steps, however drastic and unpleasant as necessary, will be taken to protect them in the future. He has asked Congress for two things; first, an official classification of Alenia as a terrorist state. Second, a declaration of war has been requested. It is unclear if Congress will indeed grant this request, but things must happen quickly. The President also had things to say to the rest of the world about this. “We are holding the line here, but how much longer will it be just us alone? The state of Alenia has repeatedly made threats against the international community without cause. At no time have we indiscriminately used our population, operatives, or weapons to inflict civilian casualties on a non-aggressor nation without cause as has the state and nation of Alenia. At no time have we made threats or launched attacks against any nation unless they were clearly involved in a war or threatening to involve themselves in a war we were in as the state and nation of Alenia has done. At no time have we engaged in irregular warfare as has the state and nation of Alenia.”
“When will it be you? When will you do something to bring the misguided wrath of this rogue and terroristic state down upon you? When will you be fighting terrorists in your streets? When will this state decide to attack you without cause? We ask for your support, we ask for your aid; but most importantly, we ask for your action.”

The public is still very on edge for what will happen next. Once again, the government is relying on them to report suspicious activities. In the affected areas, shock is still prevalent. The deputy mayor of Fruita, a small town of only 6,500 people, has given a stirring and very emotional benediction at a city-wide memorial. Nearly every family lost someone, or at least a close friend or acquaintance. Unlike larger cities, this little town knew its people. As close-knit as they are, they are enraged at the perpetrators. They will be erecting a monument to the fallen citizens with the prominent inscription of “Never forget.”

People everywhere are asking why this is happening. No thought of malice ever existed for that nation that has troubled us so much before they turned misguided rage upon us. We had no quarrel with them, we had no desire to inflict them harm. No one seems to have any answers. All are crying for vengeance to be swift and telling.


Quoting Areetsa C

You have 6 hours to cease and desist, or else things are going to be very bad for you. My options are becoming few, and they don't bode well for you. It appears that the only way you will no longer bother me is if you no longer exist, would you say that is a fair estimate?
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| June 2, 2011, 6:07 pm
Too bad Ultra can't do anything for fourteen more days, eh?
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| June 2, 2011, 6:25 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Too bad Ultra can't do anything for fourteen more days, eh?

Being attacked superceeds the prohibition. I am now free to act. You don't have to worry your pretty little head, though, I can only act against Alenia.
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| June 2, 2011, 6:36 pm
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Official stance of the Koaxiang Empire on the recent attacks:
As always, we condemn attacks on non-combatants. This goes for both Alenia and the Western Republic, as a word of caution. We hope to not be caught in whatever crossfire there may be, considering how we're directly between these two nations.

-In others news, we'd like to start talking with our southerly neighbors of S'pore and the Indo-Union to divide the Spratly Islands up.
-Research on a new defensive weapon has started.
-Production of stuffs for both China and the Islamic Defense Union is ongoing.
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| June 2, 2011, 6:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
When will you be fighting terrorists in your streets? When will this state decide to attack you without cause?

Leaving out the fact that fighting in the streets with regular forces is for nubz, I don't actually attack people without some kind of reason.

On "terrorism": what, exactly, is the difference between bands of armed infiltrators and ICBMs? Only that the infiltrators are much more precise; a razor, as opposed to the blunt instrument that is the "Bigger Stick".

Quoting Ultramarine .
You have 6 hours to cease and desist, or else things are going to be very bad for you. My options are becoming few, and they don't bode well for you. It appears that the only way you will no longer bother me is if you no longer exist, would you say that is a fair estimate?

Leaving out the minor fact that it's a bit late to pull detonators by now? OVB operatives don't check for orders in the middle of a mission. They accomplish the ones they have, go for secondary objectives if the primaries are too dangerous, and THEN they check for new instructions.
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| June 2, 2011, 6:59 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
I don't actually attack people without some kind of reason.

Yeah, no matter how misguided they might be. Remember Madagascar? You were getting ready to go off on some people for the fun of it.

Quoting Areetsa C
Leaving out the minor fact that it's a bit late to pull detonators by now?

That is no excuse. When you can simply cancel your orders saying that is not a viable reason. Evan's not gonna say "Oh, too late dude, you already pulled the pin, grenade's gonna go off regardless" now is he? You take me for a dunce, sir.

I have full concept of the razor's edge, thank you.
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| June 2, 2011, 7:14 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
That is no excuse. When you can simply cancel your orders saying that is not a viable reason. Evan's not gonna say "Oh, too late dude, you already pulled the pin, grenade's gonna go off regardless" now is he? You take me for a dunce, sir.

Bit too gamey for my tastes.
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| June 2, 2011, 7:47 pm
@Ultra and Areetsa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRGd0gD0QNE

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In the PCU,

-increased security.
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| June 2, 2011, 7:51 pm
The EC President, after hearing news of the terrorist attacks against the WR, issued a short statement and then was transported to a meeting with all military top-dogs to discuss a classified matter.

The statement is as follows:
"Dixie has always stood beside her allies in times of need, and has struck with them against their enemies during times when vengeance was necessary, and let me assure you now, vengeance IS necessary."
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| June 2, 2011, 8:18 pm
Quoting TheSpectre 117

Hey! I like that idea too...dont mind sharing them.
But then, who controls the Philippines and Taiwan, and their opinion in this?

I kinda went to war with the most powerful nations in this game to stop the Philippines being annexed by another nation...

I want the Philippines to stay independent thanks.
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| June 2, 2011, 8:29 pm
Quoting Danny Morgan
I kinda went to war with the most powerful nations in this game to stop the Philippines being annexed by another nation...

I want the Philippines to stay independent thanks.

Almost got me crushed too.
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| June 2, 2011, 8:52 pm
Quoting Will G.
The statement is as follows:
"Dixie has always stood beside her allies in times of need, and has struck with them against their enemies during times when vengeance was necessary, and let me assure you now, vengeance IS necessary."

For the record, comments like that tend to have my External Security chief performing rather amusing dances of joy.

Just keep in mind that if you go after ANYTHING of mine, I'll return the favour.

It truly is amazing how much damage can be done by an angry, nondescript man with a couple of blocks of plastic explosive and a box of remote detonators.
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| June 2, 2011, 10:00 pm
Egypt and the IDU officially condemn the METHOD and TARGETS of attack on the Western Republic. However the nation of Alenia is applauded for choosing such a worthy nation to target. /applause

Speaking of Alenia, the IDU wishes to work more closely with our northern neighbors in the future. We like you. We're always impressed.
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| June 2, 2011, 10:05 pm
Like our neighbor in the north, we condemn the attacks on the WR. We urge both sides for the sake of the world community and their people to negotiate for some sort of peace. That is why we support the cooler heads in the WR by giving Alenia a chance to stop and not retaliate if the attacks stop. Currently all those lives lost are in our hearts and minds.

Due to the recent use of "terror warfare" we are beginning to train hand picked SAS members to join an elite counter-insurgency/terrorism/hostage crisis team. These will be used to combat any such similar attacks within our nation. We also are initiating a doctrine which states that we will conduct strategic strikes if strategic strikes were conducted on us first.
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| June 2, 2011, 10:20 pm
Quoting henry wang
We also are initiating a doctrine which states that we will conduct strategic strikes if strategic strikes were conducted on us first.

Truly you must feel so clever for coming up with a genius plan like that. Who would have thought that the logical response to an attack would be to attack right back?
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| June 2, 2011, 10:29 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
It truly is amazing how much damage can be done by an angry, nondescript man with a couple of blocks of plastic explosive and a box of remote detonators.

Yes, let us talk about this for a moment, shall we? You have sent now over a dozen agents to their death, and for what? The 'moral' high ground? Vengeance? Great, you send 15 agents over here to 'avenge' Japanese civilians. Really? Japanese civilians. Civilians half a world away that have nothing to do with you. Yet, your men somehow felt so compelled to action that they would die needlessly to avenge them. Hmm.

You couldn't care less about their safety, could you? I can see the briefing room now: "Hey, we need 15 volunteers for a mission into enemy territory where you'll mindlessly kill civilians, commit outright murder, and swipe hubcaps. We'll give you hazardous orders that will likely lead to being killed or captured, and we really couldn't care less whether you live or die in the process. Well, why aren't you all raising your hands? But wait, there's more! In response to your murders, there's a 99% chance that your families will be killed in the next round of counter-strikes by the enemy! But wait, if you act now, you're guaranteed for a job with a 0% survival rate! What fun!"

Yep, swell job, I don't know why more don't join up?
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| June 2, 2011, 10:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You couldn't care less about their safety, could you? I can see the briefing room now: "Hey, we need 15 volunteers for a mission into enemy territory where you'll mindlessly kill civilians, commit outright murder, and swipe hubcaps. We'll give you hazardous orders that will likely lead to being killed or captured, and we really couldn't care less whether you live or die in the process. Well, why aren't you all raising your hands? But wait, there's more! In response to your murders, there's a 99% chance that your families will be killed in the next round of counter-strikes by the enemy! But wait, if you act now, you're guaranteed for a job with a 0% survival rate! What fun!"

Yep, swell job, I don't know why more don't join up?

How do you know there isn't more going on?

For all you know, there's any number of things those chaps have done that could come back to bite you at the press of a button.

/Other than that, the Chinese never complained about losing umpteen million of their population in Mao's modernization program, and unlike some states, the Confederation looks after the families of KIA operatives quite well.

As for the murder thing, if you'd stop going after civilians, I'd happily shift focus to other targets.
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| June 2, 2011, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
As for the murder thing, if you'd stop going after civilians, I'd happily shift focus to other targets.

When was the last time I targeted civilians? In response to you, that's when. I don't target civilians as a policy, and that's all you've done your entire existence. In trying to beat the 'beast,' you've become one.
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| June 2, 2011, 11:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
When was the last time I targeted civilians? In response to you, that's when. I don't target civilians as a policy, and that's all you've done your entire existence. In trying to beat the 'beast,' you've become one.

the beast?

"but the beast will eventually come for you" - Makarov.
MW2 quote?
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| June 2, 2011, 11:55 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
How do you know there isn't more going on?

For all you know, there's any number of things those chaps have done that could come back to bite you at the press of a button.

/Other than that, the Chinese never complained about losing umpteen million of their population in Mao's modernization program, and unlike some states, the Confederation looks after the families of KIA operatives quite well.

As for the murder thing, if you'd stop going after civilians, I'd happily shift focus to other targets.

Oi, check your Flickr.
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| June 3, 2011, 12:02 am
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Ah, well, as they say we have plans for that too...

Quoting Danny Morgan
the beast?
"but the beast will eventually come for you" - Makarov.
MW2 quote?

"We're not going to kill the ___, we're going to tear out their living guts and use them to grease our tanks." -Patton.
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| June 3, 2011, 12:27 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
When was the last time I targeted civilians? In response to you, that's when. I don't target civilians as a policy, and that's all you've done your entire existence. In trying to beat the 'beast,' you've become one.

Japan?

And actually, I haven't: eye for an eye and all that. I'd be quite happy to switch to your infrastructure; such a lovely supply chain you have. Shame if anything happened to it, wouldn't you agree?
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| June 3, 2011, 12:43 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yes, let us talk about this for a moment, shall we? You have sent now over a dozen agents to their death, and for what? The 'moral' high ground? Vengeance? Great, you send 15 agents over here to 'avenge' Japanese civilians. Really? Japanese civilians. Civilians half a world away that have nothing to do with you. Yet, your men somehow felt so compelled to action that they would die needlessly to avenge them. Hmm.

You couldn't care less about their safety, could you? I can see the briefing room now: "Hey, we need 15 volunteers for a mission into enemy territory where you'll mindlessly kill civilians, commit outright murder, and swipe hubcaps. We'll give you hazardous orders that will likely lead to being killed or captured, and we really couldn't care less whether you live or die in the process. Well, why aren't you all raising your hands? But wait, there's more! In response to your murders, there's a 99% chance that your families will be killed in the next round of counter-strikes by the enemy! But wait, if you act now, you're guaranteed for a job with a 0% survival rate! What fun!"

Yep, swell job, I don't know why more don't join up?

The japs did it in ww2
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| June 3, 2011, 6:51 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Ey, kids who've sent in orders... I'll try and get a CR up tomorrow, no promises though, have my Eagle Scout Board of Review from 7pm on, so that's preference. Orders for tomorrow's action due by 8pm Eastern Time tomorrow.

Danke.
Final board? Congrats.

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| June 3, 2011, 7:27 am
Quoting luke peterson
The japs did it in ww2

There's a difference, though; operatives of mine know there is, even in a worst case scenario, a way for them to get out alive and uncaptured. Might not be pretty, and it'd probably make a mockery of international transit laws, but eh.

See, the difference between an OVB agent and a guy of indeterminate ethnicity who just wants to get out of north america before things get even worse is that an OVB agent has a gun.
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| June 3, 2011, 7:34 am
Hmm...with all the terrorist activities going on, i've been doing some of my own...
- The undercover commando units in Thailand have been wreaking havoc among their military and naval bases all over the country.

- Other anti-goverment troops, who are working for us, are spreading words of unrest among the people. Groups of angry civilians have gathered in the city distrupting trafic and calling for a change of goverment.

- Naval divers have landed safely and undetected near the port where the Thai's only aircraft carrier, the HTMS Chakri Naruebet, is docked. A sabotage operation is underway.

- SAF's new APC has been revealed today. Pictures would be posted soon...i hope...

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| June 3, 2011, 8:02 am
Pakistan: With production of the new MT98 medium machine gun, going smoothly (unexpectedly might i add) Ammunition is a concern. The ammunition intended to use is very rare to find, So to avoid major reconstruction of the receiver The new ammunition easier to find and productively sound.

In other news the AMDU10 (Automated Missile Defence Unit 10) Shall be finishing up production today with press photos next week.
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| June 3, 2011, 10:51 am
Done to an extent.
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| June 3, 2011, 3:26 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
L.O.P

Personnel:
Army 650,000
Navy 24,000
Air Force 65,000

Mechanized cavalry :

1,000 MT4
200 MT4/AA2
300 MT4/AGMS-1
1 suits of Prototype Power armor
200 AMDU10
40,000 MT98 M.M.G.

Air force:

200 MAF-2
20 HAB -2
40 Horten XXVI (The remnants live on!)
400 Horten XXXVII (EXPENDABLE)

Navy:

No. Way.

You can't have such realistic numbers! Even if you bought 1,500 tanks from Awe (which would be hugely expensive), it would still take him a while to build them for you.

Same thing with the 200 MAF-2s. Those are stealth fighters, they're very expensive, and buying 200 in one batch? That's way too much for you to afford.

And 20 Arketers? Even China hasn't built that many.

You don't have the budget for all that equipment, and it's going to take a lot longer for you to buy stuff from China anyway. It would actually take time to produce that, and you certainly can't afford 660 Stealth aircraft anyway.
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| June 3, 2011, 4:12 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
No. Way.

You can't have such realistic numbers! Even if you bought 1,500 tanks from Awe (which would be hugely expensive), it would still take him a while to build them for you.

Same thing with the 200 MAF-2s. Those are stealth fighters, they're very expensive, and buying 200 in one batch? That's way too much for you to afford.

And 20 Arketers? Even China hasn't built that many.

You don't have the budget for all that equipment, and it's going to take a lot longer for you to buy stuff from China anyway. It would actually take time to produce that, and you certainly can't afford 660 Stealth aircraft anyway.
Facepalm facepalm facedesk, Its official im st00p1d, anyway i was hoping for cliffe to come up with the numbers of tanks since he was the person who told me about them.

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| June 3, 2011, 4:53 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Quoting Tom Neumo
No. Way.

You can't have such realistic numbers! Even if you bought 1,500 tanks from Awe (which would be hugely expensive), it would still take him a while to build them for you.

Same thing with the 200 MAF-2s. Those are stealth fighters, they're very expensive, and buying 200 in one batch? That's way too much for you to afford.

And 20 Arketers? Even China hasn't built that many.

You don't have the budget for all that equipment, and it's going to take a lot longer for you to buy stuff from China anyway. It would actually take time to produce that, and you certainly can't afford 660 Stealth aircraft anyway.
Facepalm facepalm facedesk, Its official im st00p1d, anyway i was hoping for cliffe to come up with the numbers of tanks since he was the person who told me about them.

It's the stealth aircraft I'm more worried about. Those are very expensive, and only the richest nations can afford very many.
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| June 3, 2011, 5:13 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
Facepalm facepalm facedesk, Its official im st00p1d, anyway i was hoping for cliffe to come up with the numbers of tanks since he was the person who told me about them.

Eh, just remember that Cliffe isn't exactly the best source when it comes to numbers either.

Also, remember where your alliance with him got you last time...
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| June 3, 2011, 6:11 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
1,000 MT4
200 MT4/AA2
300 MT4/AGMS-1
200 MAF-2
20 HAB -2


Hey you! I never gave you permission to build that stuff, what makes you think you can do it? You don't even have the plans! Never mind the absurd numbers...

I sold MT-1s to the IDU, not MT-4s. And I certainly never sold MAF-2s, and I'm never selling the HAB-2 Arketer.
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| June 3, 2011, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hey you! I never gave you permission to build that stuff...

He didn't need permission, just the plans that I sto...oops.
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| June 3, 2011, 7:39 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
He didn't need permission, just the plans that I sto...oops.


Lulz. I wouldn't put it past you, but it'd have to be CM verified. Of course, even if he did have the plans, he doesn't have the ability to build and maintain such weapons of mass destruction.

Anyways:
-Work on secret projects goes on.
-Arketers still sneaking, the two replacements are all but complete in their hidden bays.
-New surveillance satellite in the works too. That's the one thing that isn't secret. Gotta keep an eye out for those pesky long-range missiles after all.

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| June 3, 2011, 9:51 pm
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Attention group members!

I'm being gone in London for the next week, starting Saturday (tomorrow), and ending the next Sunday.

@Matt Hacker, you know the drill, you have protective custody of my humble Union.
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| June 3, 2011, 10:29 pm
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Attention group members!

I'm being gone in London for the next week, starting Saturday (tomorrow), and ending the next Sunday.

@Matt Hacker, you know the drill, you have protective custody of my humble Union.

He's gone until Monday, if I'm not mistaken. That's why I have temporary control of his nation.
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| June 3, 2011, 10:33 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
He's gone until Monday, if I'm not mistaken. That's why I have temporary control of his nation.

Then you have... both... I guess...
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| June 4, 2011, 12:14 am
Quoting Evan Melick
How and why does a landlocked country have or need a navy? Lul.

The Caspian sea, perhaps?
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| June 4, 2011, 12:34 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Glenn, 'member ya need to get a stats page up before you can do any military adventures. That's also a reminder for any of the newer members who haven't gotten to that yet.
So. Do it nao. Pleesh.


Theres a problem...some (most to an extent) of the stats for the SAF are wrong. Eg: Wikipedia says we only have 90+ Leopard MBTs. Bull...Ive got cousins in the military (Armour Brigades) who say there's at leats a detatchment of leopard MBTs to each base in the country...so there's at least 140.
It also says nothing about any AA weapons S'pore has (there was a airshow recently so i know)
So is it okay for me to do adjustments?

--- --- --- ---

In other news:
The invasion of Thailand has been postponed.....
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| June 4, 2011, 1:22 am
Quoting TheSpectre 117

Theres a problem...some (most to an extent) of the stats for the SAF are wrong. Eg: Wikipedia says we only have 90+ Leopard MBTs. Bull...Ive got cousins in the military (Armour Brigades) who say there's at leats a detatchment of leopard MBTs to each base in the country...so there's at least 140.
It also says nothing about any AA weapons S'pore has (there was a airshow recently so i know)
So is it okay for me to do adjustments?

Wikipedia isn't perfectly accurate and truthful? Blasphemy!

Try http://www.armyrecognition.com/singapore_singaporean_army_land_ground_forces_uk/singapore_singaporean_army_land_ground_forces_military_equipment_armoured_armored_vehicle_uk.html
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| June 4, 2011, 1:40 am
Tried it....St00p!d computer protection program blocked the site....>.<
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| June 4, 2011, 1:52 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Hey you! I never gave you permission to build that stuff, what makes you think you can do it? You don't even have the plans! Never mind the absurd numbers...

I sold MT-1s to the IDU, not MT-4s. And I certainly never sold MAF-2s, and I'm never selling the HAB-2 Arketer.
I need to walk before i can run, And im St00p1d i admit.

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| June 4, 2011, 12:00 pm
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Quoting Glenn streeter
I need to walk before i can run, And im St00p1d i admit.


Well... Don't steal, least of all from me. I don't react well to thieves.

In China:
-What I had in the last report.
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| June 4, 2011, 4:10 pm
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Today, in the Western Republic...

Today, after months worth of back-room and clandestine talks, the Socialist Union has been classified as defunct in favor of, by near unanimous vote, joining the Western Republic. With the exception of the island of Newfoundland, all of the Socialist Union territory, people, economy, and military is now one with the Western Republic. The island of Newfoundland has decided to join the Southern Confederation. The Southern Confederation also will have full access to all military bases as will the Eastern Confederation if desired. Yes, this has been by Jake's consent and wishes, fyi. In this time of daily attacks, it it bittersweet news. The Canadian defense forces have been alerted as to the threats, the MOs, the sketchy descriptions, and everything pertaining to the terrorists running rampant in our territory. They will be on the sharp lookout. On a happier note, we will be having a series of US vs. Canadian hockey matches soon...

Otherwise, the manhunt continues. Given the stellar record of US law enforcement, those men are as good as caught and dead. It's only a matter of time really. Citizens are looking out for anything suspicious, or anything matching the descriptions of the perpetrators. Also, a lot more of them are carrying around the guns they have. Law enforcement, however, is concerned that shootings may occur because it is suspected that a certain person is a terrorist. Ad campaigns are already telling people to "Shoot second, never first" and that "Panic is our real enemy, we can only be intimidated if we allow ourselves." Calls by the President for sanctions and international action against the terrorist state of Alenia continue. Harped on continuously so it becomes a refrain are the radio calls and orders by the Alenian military to be prepared to attack international forces for no apparent reason. "See?!" the President said to an international television audience, "They will do it to you as well and just as willinginly, for just as few reasons as they are doing it to us!"
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| June 4, 2011, 6:09 pm
The PCU lulz at the Western Republic spreading propaganda about the Alenian government throughout their radio channels. Oh well, in the PCU they are seen as warmongering barbarians, those Western fools.
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| June 4, 2011, 7:25 pm
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WR scientists misspoke earlier when they said large quantities of depleted uranium were being mined. They are just the byproduct of the enrichment process and cannot be mined (unless a few million years from now). However, the supply is still large and growing because of the demand of nuclear power plants and the opening of three more recently.
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| June 4, 2011, 7:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
...the MOs...

There really isn't one. Bombs, arson, murder, gas attacks, landmines, IEDs, missiles, sabotage.. Well, yeah, there's some definite signs of pyromania here. Maybe I should get them to start injecting people with liquid nitrogen instead.

Quoting Ultramarine .
...the sketchy descriptions...

"Oh, hi, we're looking for a bunch of guys. They either look arab or asian, we don't know. They might also be generically foreign looking. So really, we haven't got a clue, but it's okay right? We've got descriptions of the ones who got killed, so we won't have a problem tracking them down..."

@PCU: Evilmart has a bulk discount on balaclavas and disguise kits. Might want to get some of that action before it's all gone.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Given the stellar record of US law enforcement, those men are as good as caught and dead.

To reiterate: you're looking for foreigny looking guys in a country chock-full of foreignly looking guys. You've got chinese, japanese, koreans, french, indians, pakistanis, africans, and all the other colours of the melting-pot rainbow.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Also, a lot more of them are carrying around the guns they have...

BRB, just found out how I'm going to supply my guys with spare guns.

Quoting Ultramarine .
Harped on continuously so it becomes a refrain are the radio calls and orders by the Alenian military to be prepared to attack international forces for no apparent reason.

You must be mistranslating. Don't worry, it's very easy to do; just one digit off in the decryption code any you'll get something completely different.

I think the message you referred to translates as "hey, Ahmad! Friend of mine in Russia passed a case of vodka through the border. You want any of that?"

So no, no invasions. Just drunken reservists.

/In other news: the WC thinks Command is dopey enough to transmit marching orders by radio. I suppose you think we use crossbows for sidearms, too?

/Well, actually, some soldiers do. It's a matter of personal choice.
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| June 4, 2011, 7:58 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
"Oh, hi, we're looking for a bunch of guys. They either look arab or asian, we don't know. They might also be generically foreign looking. So really, we haven't got a clue, but it's okay right? We've got descriptions of the ones who got killed, so we won't have a problem tracking them down..."

Yeah? Well, here's what the police usually get in terms of bank robber's descriptions:
"Tall white male, from 5'10" to 6'2", wearing a dark hoodie, fled the scene on foot." Basically describing about 35% of the male population right there. Two weeks later, the police have an arrest.

@Guns:
Go for it. You just have to be a registered citizen, have a background check, wait for a week, and pay in credit card. You operatives would fail it all, FYI.

Oh, yes, looks like you've sent another 6 men to their deaths needlessly. Your few surviving agents must surely be sweating now.
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| June 4, 2011, 8:14 pm
In the CU, military equipping and training is going superbly, and our Armed Forces (at least those on the ground) are on their way to becoming fierce fighting force. To make up for lack of advanced air/naval support, unit commanders are working hard to obtain 120% effort from all soldiers (as opposed to the 110% required by most other militarys) in training. Also, factories have started copying designs of commonly breaking parts from our old Soviet equipment (mostly issued to reserve brigades), to insure that this equipment can be properly maintained in the field, and in garrison.
Plans are also being made for the construction of large off-shore wind farms in some of our island states, to further increase self-sufficiency in the energy sector).
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| June 4, 2011, 8:43 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Yeah? Well, here's what the police usually get in terms of bank robber's descriptions:
"Tall white male, from 5'10" to 6'2", wearing a dark hoodie, fled the scene on foot." Basically describing about 35% of the male population right there. Two weeks later, the police have an arrest.

@Guns:
Go for it. You just have to be a registered citizen, have a background check, wait for a week, and pay in credit card. You operatives would fail it all, FYI.

@Robbas: your average bank robber isn't a very clever person; it's automatically a federal crime, and doesn't have very big payouts as opposed to oh knocking over a jewelery shop.

More to the point: bank robbers have a life. That is, they go home with their buckets of cash and use it to enhance their life, read, buy expensive stuff. So; one week, cousin Jed's moaning about how he can't afford the rent, and joking about robbing a bank to pay off his loans. Then there's a bank robbery. The next week, he's got money coming out of his ears. Hmm, what's two and two make again?

@Guns: well, actually, I was thinking of, what was the line? "You can have my gun after you pry it from my cold dead fingers!"? Seems like an acceptable proposal to me.

@Agents: would've gone better if I'd specified they were going after staff cars, but there's no point getting upset over a bit spilt blood.
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| June 4, 2011, 8:49 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
@Guns: well, actually, I was thinking of, what was the line? "You can have my gun after you pry it from my cold dead fingers!"? Seems like an acceptable proposal to me.

Well, the more citizens that have weapons the shorter any firefight lasts, and the fewer of your agents survive. That's the equation I like.

Quoting Areetsa C
@Agents: would've gone better if I'd specified they were going after staff cars, but there's no point getting upset over a bit spilt blood.

What staff cars? Those are so WWII. I'm not going to say how the replacements travel, but it's certainly not alone. It would have had the same outcome.
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| June 4, 2011, 9:06 pm
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