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International Conversation Forum XXV
My last report which I posted just as the last ICF got locked:


For the record:
IU ground forces entered Cambodian territory with literally no resistance, thanks to the incredibly fast operation to take out the nation's rebel leaders / instigators. An A12 Demon spotted some possible militant activity further inland. IU called upon the Cambodian's own puppet government to deal with the threat, so as to test the previously hostile nation's loyalty to the IU.
They passed the test, ordering military police to lockdown the militant hotspot and arrest all those involved. The hotspot soon became a firefight almost the instant the military police stepped in. After 5 casualties on the police's side, 4 civilian casualties caught in the line of fire, and little progress made on capturing/killing the militia members, the IU relented, and told the Cambodian military that they would deal with the threat. The Police were ordered to retreat and take any civilians they could out of the danger zone. No sooner than they had, an A7 Stormhawk flew low over, and dropped a gravity bomb over the green zone, killing all the rebels and causing only one civilian death, whom had been shot in his leg and probably wasn't long for this world.

Ok, Evan can paint Cambodia D.green next time he updates the map.
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| July 18, 2011, 12:02 am
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/280654 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and HeII followed with him...."

OAAE is pleased to announce the delivery of 40 Moriyas to the Union Air Force on this pleasant summer day in July 2037.


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| July 18, 2011, 12:45 am
Quoting |Brîan| C
Since I realized when you get new vehicles, you replace them 1 to 1, I have 448 F2C aircraft :D.
I am also going to buy 25 Leclercs for 225 mil.

Somehow, I don't think it works like that.

Admin ruling?
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| July 18, 2011, 7:24 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting |Brîan| C
Since I realized when you get new vehicles, you replace them 1 to 1, I have 448 F2C aircraft :D.
I am also going to buy 25 Leclercs for 225 mil.

Somehow, I don't think it works like that.

Admin ruling?

Yeah, that'd be like me replacing every mini-surveillance UAV with a Valkyrie gunship. Replacing Hinds with Valkyries is a completely different matter.

<.<
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| July 18, 2011, 7:57 am
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@Awe: Let's just say that because you and your cronies lack the honor to abide by the treaty, then the USNA has no choice but to make you comply by force of arms if necessary.

Otherwise, the orders are in, and it's too late to change a thing. A LONG time ago, actually...too long. >.>

Permit me a monologue here for just a moment, ok? The final treaty that you all have seen fit to slice & dice so frequently that it borders on not having any significance left is all of 8 points and 107 words long. Loopholes? You bet there are in such a short and seemingly digestible treaty. However, regarding the return of the military service personnel that Nick “Didn’t see” when he clearly indicated that he accepted all terms, I was told it was “Too long” even as it was and to give him a break because of it. What do you want from me? I could, given about a week, compose a 1,500+ word treaty with zero loopholes, would you rather that? You yourself, Awe, contested the treaty saying that it would create a Versailles peace. No kidding. Now you wonder why? Your side has trampled all over it that you might as well just rip it up and call it a day. Perhaps I made it so strict so that it would take you this long to break all of it?

Regarding your troops, it was also stated that you were not allowed to have any soldiers in the United States, according to the various proposals between myself and Tim (Brikkr), which you also agreed to if you will kindly recall. Thus restricting your men from setting foot on the physical continent regardless of whose land you do it in, am I not correct? Here’s how it went down:

Me [quoting Tim]: “-No chinamen in the states.”
You: “The Koaxiang Empire accepts these terms, and is willing to sign such a treaty.”
-Again-
Tom: “From what I've heard, Brikkr's terms are still too Versailles-like.”
Me: “China and the ACU already agreed to Brikkr's terms.”

Care to explain that away? I’m ok with you breaking the treaty, but for heaven’s sake at least be honest about it!

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| July 18, 2011, 9:20 am
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Quoting |Brîan| C

I thought Evan said you can replace your stuff 1-to-1..

But that would be like me replacing Hummvees (sp) with my M90s; apples to oranges. You replace like vehicles, if you have them. I rolled all of my M1A2s into M89s at first, just for an example.

Actually, at the time, the rule was 1:2 because your MOC was supposedly much better that the IRL vehicles. Do I have permission to retroactively apply the 1:1? That would significantly up my aircraft stats.
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| July 18, 2011, 10:33 am
Quoting |Brîan| C

I thought Evan said you can replace your stuff 1-to-1..


That's for when you start out. You can't magically say you built 400 aircraft over night.
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| July 18, 2011, 11:02 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
^ This. When you start the game, you can replace stuff 1-1. When you build new MOC's, you can replace things 1-1 (generally), but you still have to build them first.

Long shot, I know; but when I was told this, it was 1 MOC for every 2 IRL aircraft (I did 1-1 on tanks because the M89 was nothing to be proud of compared to the Abrams). Permission to retro apply 1-1?
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| July 18, 2011, 12:41 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
^ This. When you start the game, you can replace stuff 1-1. When you build new MOC's, you can replace things 1-1 (generally), but you still have to build them first.

For example, you know how my country is all big, special, and awesome? I can only build like 18 or so Sparv's a week. Give or take.

18 a week?!?! Carp, I've been cutting my production short.
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| July 18, 2011, 1:36 pm
Quoting Ultramarine . force of arms.

Hey, Axis members, we were right!

We've all known you were going to declare war on me soon, don't act like we didn't.

Quoting Ultramarine . Y U NO DO MY TREATY.

Maybe because you didn't let me put in any terms? You claim to be fair, but rejected every single one of my terms, IIRC.

Quoting Ultramarine . Orders have been sent in.

'Till the Allies are defeated, 'till the Lord's work is completed, to arms, to arms, to arms, for Axis!
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| July 18, 2011, 3:46 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I was planning this from the start.


Don't act like that's the way it wasn't, we all knew you would be back for a second helping, even you. I however, have seen through your clever disguise, and have positioned troops to assist Nick from the start this time.

Come on, you knew this wasn't over, right?

SEND THEM BACK YOUR FIERCE DEFIANCE, STAMP UPON THE CURSED ALLIANCE, TO ARMS, TO ARMS, TO ARMS, FOR AXIS!

TILL THE ALLIES ARE DEFEATED, TILL THE LORD'S WORK IS COMPLETED, TO ARMS, TO ARMS, TO ARMS, FOR AXIS!
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| July 18, 2011, 4:01 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

You better expect some quickly disbanding troops, because they have nothing to fight for since you sent your civvies over to China.
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| July 18, 2011, 4:06 pm
Quoting Tim Casey
Quoting Nick Shelton

You better expect some quickly disbanding troops, because they have nothing to fight for since you sent your civvies over to China.

Would you rather them have a good time shooting up enemy invaders, or have them worry about if their family isn't getting bombed by the WR?

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| July 18, 2011, 4:13 pm
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The UNC is pleased to announce the near completion of a new light armored vehicle. The vehicle in question is known as the ACV- Airborne Combat Vehicle. The ACV is a very small (2 crew) and light vehicle designed to support paratroopers and bless them with superior firepower. Multiple mission modules can be equipped, but the first one is the ADATS- Air Defense Anti Tank System. Manufacturing has begun and the countries that have already seen the design may now elect to purchase ACVs. A public reveal of the ACV is hoped to occur sometime by the end of this week.

Also, deliveries of Sparvs to Russia has been complete, and so has their order of Type-4 submarines.

Our first class of professional soldiers that were recruited from our recruitment drive 6 months ago have finally completed their basic and advanced training. Their training is more thorough than previous classes. Godspeed young men and women of Northern Europe.

On a related note, the last 3 years worth of Finnish conscripts have been recalled and are undergoing refreshment training at this time.
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| July 18, 2011, 5:07 pm
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Posted MOCs I never put on MOCpages, so that I can use them: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/280751

Like Ultra's Weapon's Locker, it shall be updated periodically.
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| July 18, 2011, 5:10 pm
Confederate intelligence confirms that an invasion of the PCU will occur in the next CR.
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| July 18, 2011, 5:38 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Confederate intelligence confirms that an invasion of the PCU will occur in the next CR.


My intelligence reports that you are screwed.
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| July 18, 2011, 5:41 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker

My intelligence reports that you are screwed.

My intelligence reports that if I am screwed a name change will take effect immediately.

Plus, there's NO WAY Ultra could take on both the PCU and the EC, so I'm not afraid.
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| July 18, 2011, 5:45 pm
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Quoting Will G.
My intelligence reports that if I am screwed a name change will take effect immediately.


Cool story bro. Just telling you that you won't be spared by a certain someone in a certain mythical CR that looks like it will never be published. Since that looks to be the unequivocal truth, I would then alter my statement to read: "No invasion of the PCU or EC will ever happen due to lack of CMing."
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| July 18, 2011, 5:47 pm
I would like to point out the reasons for the Euros invading me happened when operating under the name of the WMU. The IAU is totally different bro.
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| July 18, 2011, 6:34 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Don't act like that's the way it wasn't, we all knew you would be back for a second helping, even you. I however, have seen through your clever disguise, and have positioned troops to assist Nick from the start this time.

Uh-huh. Well, the orders were sent in, and no way are those 20,000 men are any place inside the PCU. Where are they then? Davy Jones' Locker, with any luck.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Would you rather them have a good time shooting up enemy invaders, or have them worry about if their family isn't getting bombed by the WR?

You better wish that your people are in your land, or else your economy is worth much, much less than we all hoped...

Again, who pays your taxes? Who mans your factories? Who shops in your stores? If you have shipped off your civilians, then you've literally self-destructed. Actually, I think a land devoid of civilians is considered defunct, no?

Quoting Will G.
Plus, there's NO WAY Ultra could take on both the PCU and the EC, so I'm not afraid.

Oh, don't you wish! Let's just say that Matt's 100% correct. I don't believe you will survive.

...and orders were due on the 8th, so there's nothing you all can do but sweat.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Maybe because you didn't let me put in any terms? You claim to be fair, but rejected every single one of my terms, IIRC.

IIRC, you had absolutely nothing to bargain with, eh? It's not like you haven't gotten away with reneging on 75% of it, why are you complaining?


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| July 18, 2011, 6:44 pm
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This name business getting a bit ridiculous. Regardless if you change your name, others still have to recognize you as a new state with new motives and a new constitution and blahblahblah. Each member's previous actions will be accounted for regardless of the number of times you change your name and the declaration of wars and such will be maintained even if you keep using the random name generator as a joke to get out of political ordeals that aren't too pleasant. Like, fo rly.
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| July 18, 2011, 6:48 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
This name business getting a bit ridiculous.

I only changed mine to reflect the changes in political and social evolutions (not to mention later geographic ones) that my nation was undergoing. Never did it to 'escape' any backlashes or war actions. I just found it humorous that an international terrorist would hold only certain parts of a nation responsible for the actions of a defunct power.
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| July 18, 2011, 6:59 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Uh-huh. Well, the orders were sent in, and no way are those 20,000 men are any place inside the PCU. Where are they then? Davy Jones' Locker, with any luck.



Considering how I sent them to the Egyptian bases right as part 1 of our only CR was released, I'm sure they must have arrived before the two weeks or so that have passed since then. Unless you can freeze time.

Furthermore, the admins agreed that they aren't going to the PCU, they're going to Egyptian land.

Come at me, bro. Let's get this war started.
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| July 18, 2011, 7:13 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Considering how I sent them to the Egyptian bases right as part 1 of our only CR was released, I'm sure they must have arrived before the two weeks or so that have passed since then. Unless you can freeze time.

At which time there would have been extenuating and rather severe circumstances preventing that, they wouldn't have been able to arrive at that time anyhow, but do try and be patient.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Furthermore, the admins agreed that they aren't going to the PCU, they're going to Egyptian land.

Apparently you forget that you agreed to "No Chinese men in the states?" That means all of it, 'bro', regardless of whose territory. You know, the physical land is off limits (apparently in the EC too) according to what you said? Read above to my comment on the subject.

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| July 18, 2011, 7:20 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Apparently you forget that you agreed to "No Chinese men in the states?" That means all of it, 'bro', regardless of whose territory. You know, the physical land is off limits (apparently in the EC too) according to what you said? Read above to my comment on the subject.


Apparently I forgot that, brah. Sorry homie. But you're invading anyway, might as well send over troops early. So once more broskillet, let's get this done, once and for all.

Did anyone here really not see this coming?
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| July 18, 2011, 7:23 pm
What can Unionmen do against such numerous odds?


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| July 18, 2011, 7:28 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Apparently I forgot that, brah. Sorry homie. But you're invading anyway, might as well send over troops early. So once more broskillet, let's get this done, once and for all.

Well, as I said, according to my orders your men wouldn't have been able to get in regardless (and as the result of a quite accidental byproduct thereof, I assure you).

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Did anyone here really not see this coming?

Hey, Nick was warned by me and the Southern Confederation that the occupation of the Mexican DMZ would be an automatic act of war, akin to invasion. He started this, it's not my fault he just can't control himself.

Well, that and shooting my aircraft out of my own skies. Yeah, that didn't help him any for sure.
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| July 18, 2011, 7:29 pm
Say what? I didn't occupy the Mexican DMZ! I haven't even DONE anything in Mexico!
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| July 18, 2011, 7:41 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Hey, Nick was warned by me and the Southern Confederation that the occupation of the Mexican DMZ would be an automatic act of war, akin to invasion. He started this, it's not my fault he just can't control himself.

Well, that and shooting my aircraft out of my own skies. Yeah, that didn't help him any for sure.


Da heII are you talking about bro? Mexico? Nothing's going down over there.

Aircraft is a valid reason. I say we dispense with reasons and just admit this is all the Pacific War continued.

Quoting Nick Shelton
What can Unionmen do against such numerous odds?



Ride out with me, ride out and meet them.

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| July 18, 2011, 7:47 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Say what? I didn't occupy the Mexican DMZ! I haven't even DONE anything in Mexico!

Yeah, right. "I'm occupying it because I was gifted it. Leaving it alone would be...not cool" Sound familiar? Yep, your words in response to:
"By the way, that 45 mile DMZ along the entire Mex/USNA AND the Mex/RCA border stands, I don't care if the land has switched hands or not. Crossing it, occupying it, or any attempt to do so is considered an act of war and will be prosecuted accordingly."

I love the smell of war in the morning! Problem?
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Da heII are you talking about bro? Mexico? Nothing's going down over there.

Yeah, pardon me, but grapevine says otherwise.
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Aircraft is a valid reason. I say we dispense with reasons and just admit this is all the Pacific War continued.

I've been told that Nick & Co. (not necessarily you) being, er, *other word for yank* is reason enough.

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| July 18, 2011, 8:12 pm
In le SC...

After much debate, the Southern Congress has passed the "Mercenary Bill", which will keep foreign mercenaries and PMCs out of our borders for the protection of our civilians and other possible targets.

Also after much debate, the SCAF has announced that it will be replacing it's beloved B-52s with UAV Bombers (From Canada). These aircraft will be designated MQ-4 "Phantom", and have been modified with longer and larger wings and will use Israeli Nanoflight Stealth Paint, which was combat tested in American War II, and neither of the aircraft were ever shot down.
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| July 18, 2011, 8:46 pm
@Ultra:


No, no. You got it all wrong. I was talking about occupying Mexico as a whole, not the DMZ.
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| July 18, 2011, 9:18 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Assuming, of course that either one of the two Combat Mods ever actually...post.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
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| July 18, 2011, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
@Ultra:
No, no. You got it all wrong. I was talking about occupying Mexico as a whole, not the DMZ.

Seriously? Please, don't insult my intelligence. There is no way you could have meant anything else. I never said Mexico as a whole. I specifically stipulated that I was talking about the DMZs, nothing more. Your response was typical "I'll do whatever I please, thank you" that you so often chastise me for. I have said multiple times since that occasion that "...The occupation of the DMZ remains key..." or "...The occupation of the DMZ is hoped to be resolved peacefully..." Not once have you said otherwise, and I know you read what I say because any time I say something about you, there's a rebuttal of some kind.

For once, and perhaps the only time, I finally have it where it really is all your fault. From the shooting down of my aircraft to your blatant disregard and occupation of the DMZ. Thank you, sir!
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| July 18, 2011, 10:07 pm
Dude, calm down. I was talking about occupying Mexico. You don't have any claim to what I was talking about, just like I don't have any claim over what you say. Jesus Christ, man! And is it *really* all my fault? It takes two to tango, bro.
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| July 18, 2011, 10:13 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .


Yeah, come on bro. This would be all a lot simpler if you just said "This peace is over!" instead of finding reasons for this. It'd be less confusing, and more reasonable, for all of us.
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| July 18, 2011, 10:14 pm
Quoting Connor Nandell (Arcancilia at War)
UPDATE:
Argentina plans on releasing a new U.A.V. for the invasion of Uruguay. Also does anybody have anything with Paraguay?

I just took them in a few weeks ago. Along with Bolivia.
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| July 18, 2011, 10:24 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yeah, come on bro. This would be all a lot simpler if you just said "This peace is over!" instead of finding reasons for this. It'd be less confusing, and more reasonable, for all of us.

No, I find it much nicer this way. Now, it's not my fault, at least. Not that it matters anyway, no one is around to support him morally, and no one is left to woo for public support.

I just like it this way better.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Dude, calm down. I was talking about occupying Mexico. You don't have any claim to what I was talking about, just like I don't have any claim over what you say. Jesus Christ, man! And is it *really* all my fault? It takes two to tango, bro.

Well, what you say now and what you said then are two different things. Never trust a changed story under pressure.

Ok, I'll take some of the blame. Care to tell me what was my fault exactly? Not taking your trolling as trolling? Whose fault is that really, eh?
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| July 18, 2011, 10:35 pm
I didn't change my story. You know I am a righteous man. Anyways, I'm not afraid of you to where I'd change my story. So come on over, have yourself a good day getting shot up.
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| July 18, 2011, 10:39 pm
The first few proto-types xF-303s have been created, and so far they have passed all major tests. If the our calculations are correct they can be hitting the production line by the middle of this week, and fielded in 1 squadron by the end of the week.
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| July 18, 2011, 11:03 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Will G.
Plus, there's NO WAY Ultra could take on both the PCU and the EC, so I'm not afraid.

Oh, don't you wish! Let's just say that Matt's 100% correct. I don't believe you will survive.

After hearing this threat one artillery piece fired into WC land...

Oh, I'm a good ol' rebel, now that's just what I am,
and for that western nation, I do not give a
d amn,
I'm glad I betrayed 'er and only wished we'd won,
I ain't asked any pardon, for anything I've done.
I hates the western nation and everything they do,
And I hates their blasted leader, president Skiver too!
I hates the glorious republic, just dripping with our bl00d,
I hates the western banner and'll burn it if I so should.
We'll kill all 600,000 if we truly must,
Yes all 600,000 before they conquer us.
I wish they had six million, instead of what they've got,
they'll die of Southern fever, and Southern steel and shot!
And I wont attack, 'till they reach Southern shores,
but I ain't gonna love 'em, now that's for certain sure,
And I don't want no pardon for what I was and am,
And for the western nation, I do not give a
D amn.

As of the 18th of July, 2037 The Eastern Confederation,

For causing, and needlessly drawing the people of the Eastern Confederation into the Great American War

For the labeling of Eastern Confederation civilians as military targets due to said participation in the Great American War

For the association that the Western Republic and the Eastern Confederation share, or once shared, the same government types and/or
oppress and discriminate against certain religious groups and minorities

For the outlandish foreign policies of the Western Confederation which we
have concluded, sparked the Great American War

For the giving of aid when requested, military and medical, and the receiving of none when we, the Eastern Confederation, are in need

For the aggressive sinking of Eastern Confederation ships in international waters

And

For the devastation caused to the people and economy of the Eastern Confederation during and after the Great American War, which was, as
stated, caused by the Western Confederation,


Formally declares war against the Western Republic.



(To Arms in Dixie Fades In...)
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| July 19, 2011, 12:58 am
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If it wasn't going to happen before (which it was), it's going to happen now.

So begins the great battle of our time...
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| July 19, 2011, 1:01 am
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Quoting Will G.
For the aggressive sinking of Eastern Confederation ships in international waters

Haha! You first, Mr. Holier-than-thou. You have less reason than I for war, you're just out to please your newest masters. Go on, slave, do their bidding.

And if you recall correctly, I was in the same bad straights as you during those times, and no bombs were planted in YOUR territory. Other than that questionable assistance, what 'aid' did you give me?

Actually, this all happened over a week ago, so it's pretty much immaterial now. I laugh at this bravado, because there's nothing to be done.
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| July 19, 2011, 1:28 am
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Seriously, it seems that the Axis spend more time coming up with battle cries and chants, along with other propaganda than actually doing anything. Also, the Allies seem more capable of making snippy comments than keeping peace and quiet. At least the European Coalition doesn't actually talk at all...

Well, Will, at least you have given me a feature length thing to make a video out of XD
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| July 19, 2011, 1:36 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Seriously, it seems that the Axis spend more time coming up with battle cries and chants, along with other propaganda than actually doing anything. Also, the Allies seem more capable of making snippy comments than keeping peace and quiet. At least the European Coalition doesn't actually talk at all...

Well, Will, at least you have given me a feature length thing to make a video out of XD


HEY YOU!

We're not the only ones bored with the lack of CM! How can we do anything if no one is making a report on our orders? You attacked first, remember? We haven't had a CR for our response.

And make a full length video, I implore you. It'd make my day.
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| July 19, 2011, 1:50 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
We're not the only ones bored with the lack of CM! How can we do anything if no one is making a report on our orders?

Speaking of that, if Mr. Moffatt decides he can't fulfill his post, I'll be taking over the American front. I'm aiming at trying to make a CR Weds. if he can't do it. Just a heads up, chirruns.
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| July 19, 2011, 1:52 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

HEY YOU!

We're not the only ones bored with the lack of CM! How can we do anything if no one is making a report on our orders? You attacked first, remember? We haven't had a CR for our response.

And make a full length video, I implore you. It'd make my day.


1) Yes, we can't wait either, as our response to your loyalty (which I will admit is quite honorable) is something that we look forward to as well.
2) I will likely only do the DoW part, because after several test runs, the battle cry is rather difficult to even speak, yet alone butcher with a strange (for me) accent.
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| July 19, 2011, 1:55 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker

1) Yes, we can't wait either, as our response to your loyalty (which I will admit is quite honorable) is something that we look forward to as well.
2) I will likely only do the DoW part, because after several test runs, the battle cry is rather difficult to even speak, yet alone butcher with a strange (for me) accent.


Come at me brah. I hope y'all know my fleet isn't all at port, so you can't pull what you did with Spain on me. And I do hope someone considers the defense grid I've been building up since the Pacific War...

On second thought, I'm willing to bet 9001 Bisondollars that's all ignored and I lose half my forces in an opening strike.

And alas. Well, at least we'll get something. Hope you find some good music for that.

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| July 19, 2011, 2:06 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
And alas. Well, at least we'll get something. Hope you find some good music for that.


I am working on that right now, but it is really quite hard to find a suitable piece that is instrumental.

Anyone have any suggestions?
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| July 19, 2011, 2:09 am
Quoting Connor Nandell (Arcancilia at War)
This song will play during my invasion of Uruguay...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn_95hdy6Nw
hehe

...before you get squashed by whoever's in the area and doesn't want you to have it.
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| July 19, 2011, 9:23 am
Quoting Matt Hacker

I am working on that right now, but it is really quite hard to find a suitable piece that is instrumental.

Anyone have any suggestions?


I forgot what you used in your last one, but if it wasn't To Arms in Dixie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbbhA9YTqM4

Also, a speech written by Mister Jane Doe:
"Men! This is a speech! If you are hearing this we are at WAR! You will most likely DIE in that war! This speech will make you feel better about that! We will fight them on the BEACH! We will fight them on the SEAS! We will fight them in a MOAT! We will fight them on a BOAT! WE WILL NOT EAT GREEN EGGS AND HAM! Do you m-a-g-g-o-t-s remember the speech in Braveheart? Start thinking about it now! MISTER GARPAGARP, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! Dismissed."

A pat on the back for anyone who gets the reference.
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| July 19, 2011, 10:34 am
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Quoting Connor Nandell (Arcancilia at War)
This song will play during my invasion of Uruguay...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn_95hdy6Nw
hehe

Oh, please, nothing so clonie. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2Is_eoT0M

And after the war, your country and mine, 2 o'clock after school: World Cup!
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| July 19, 2011, 11:18 am
Quoting Matt Hacker

1) Yes, we can't wait either, as our response to your loyalty (which I will admit is quite honorable) is something that we look forward to as well.
2) I will likely only do the DoW part, because after several test runs, the battle cry is rather difficult to even speak, yet alone butcher with a strange (for me) accent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAfHigPsC_s
It's actually a song, but unless you can sing like a hillbilly, then I suggest not butchering it. Also, I'm pretty sure you've heard me talk, and hope you know that's not actually how I speak. Regardless, I like it better in your accent.
Quoting Ultramarine on me being a slave

If I was a slave I'd have seized power already and made my nation a dictatorship, however, I believe that a Democracy would work best and I keep it that way. I'm against the spread of Democracy where the results of it could have worse effects than a monarchy or dictatorship. A great example is the entire Arabian peninsula.


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| July 19, 2011, 11:46 am
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Quoting Will G. Also, I'm pretty sure you've heard me talk, and hope you know that's not actually how I speak. Regardless, I like it better in your accent.


Of course you don't speak like that, but enforcing stereotypes is too much fun :P
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| July 19, 2011, 12:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbelmY
On the topic of music, the Iberian front theme. Just change all the sevens to fives.....
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| July 19, 2011, 1:47 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiAsWR4qU

That's what plays whenever I show up.

"A blessing, a blessing from the Lord!"
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| July 19, 2011, 3:32 pm
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Today, in the USNA...

I retro-replaced the aircraft I figured I had with the F-40s, that's why their numbers jumped a bit. Not too much, but someone (mod & above) can double-check me if desired. Another 90 M90s have rolled off, 20 F-40s, and 2 A/B-3s.

A massive undertaking of Manhattan-sized proportions is going on...someplace in Canada. Nothing special, just a bunch of water splashing around...

Other than that, I don't have much to say.

Quoting Will G.
If I was a slave I'd have seized power already and made my nation a dictatorship, however, I believe that a Democracy would work best and I keep it that way.

Hmm, ok. So slave is a bad term. I DO prefer 'Puppet' after all.

Very well, Puppet, dance well for your masters now, I must say I like the tune they're playing. Even though it is a dirge.
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| July 19, 2011, 10:55 pm
After the president launched an extensive counter-hacking and internet safety campaign this morning we tracked the locations of many members of groups such as the "4chan" hackers, "LulzSec" and "Anonymous", to name a few. The websites associated with these groups were also permanently shut down in the Eastern Confederation. Police and SWAT teams native to the hackers' areas conducted all raids and arrests quickly and efficiently, leading to the capture of 13 agents of LulzSec, 34 4chan hackers and 21 Anonymous members. This spurred a few not-so-peaceful protests across the nation, however they were dealt with in a manner similarly to the Westboro Protests. Casualties are currently unknown.
The government also successfully shut down wikileaks in our newly acquired Atlantic States.
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| July 19, 2011, 11:41 pm
Today, in the Union...

...the 41st MAF-4 rolled off the assembly line in [REDACTED], and then flew to [REDACTED].

...all citizens in British Columbia, Alberta, and Northern Washington have been warned to have a survival plan ready in the case of floods.


Quoting Ultramarine .

ACTUALLY...

Everyone in the Axis does things on their own accord. We don't make anyone do anything.

Quoting Will Gober

Anonymous is literally just any person who uses 4chan. >.>

The Union does not condone these raids.
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| July 19, 2011, 11:41 pm
geeiwonderhowtherecanbeanadvisorytocitizensifther'snocitizensinthenation

maybeitsacharade
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| July 20, 2011, 12:11 am
I, for one, am alarmed at the abuse of Moderator powers in this group. Ultramarine ., while making the ICF clean through deleting posts, has also deleted any kind of argument from me regarding the justification of a war upon the Pacific Union by the Western Republic. I'd like to see that stopped, if possible, or at least lessened. I fear that if it continues, Ultramarine . will alter the ICF to where only things he wants to see will appear, and things that call him out will be deleted as soon as they are posted. -Nick.

Today, in the Union:

The Border Guard has been told to "DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH WHAT YOU GOT", and Reserve units across the Union have been called up in the face of increasing tensions in North America.

Union Diplomats are still unfruitfully trying to make our intention NOT to start a shooting war in the Western portions of America clear, but the Western Republic's Military Council has made clear their response, and the Ministry of Defense has urged the Diplomats to stop wasting their time.

OAAE, after receiving dozen of complaints from the White Ops group of soldiers about the usefulness of an MLV-1 over a Humvee, has finally come up with a new design for a four-wheeled armoured fighting vehicle.

Today, in Union Satellite States:

Senegal has raised the first Company of soldiers that have all come from Sudan. They are being tasked with holding the peace in the Southernmost Quadrants, somewhere where the Senegalese Government is facing increased hostility from remaining units.
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| July 20, 2011, 3:29 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I, for one, am alarmed at the abuse of Moderator powers in this group. Ultramarine ., while making the ICF clean through deleting posts, has also deleted any kind of argument from me regarding the justification of a war upon the Pacific Union by the Western Republic. I'd like to see that stopped, if possible, or at least lessened. I fear that if it continues, Ultramarine . will alter the ICF to where only things he wants to see will appear, and things that call him out will be deleted as soon as they are posted. -Nick.


I watch the ICF carefully and I have not noticed this. Which ICF(s) are you referring to? This one? When did the deletions take place?
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| July 20, 2011, 3:35 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Quoting Nick Shelton
I, for one, am alarmed at the abuse of Moderator powers in this group. Ultramarine ., while making the ICF clean through deleting posts, has also deleted any kind of argument from me regarding the justification of a war upon the Pacific Union by the Western Republic. I'd like to see that stopped, if possible, or at least lessened. I fear that if it continues, Ultramarine . will alter the ICF to where only things he wants to see will appear, and things that call him out will be deleted as soon as they are posted. -Nick.


I watch the ICF carefully and I have not noticed this. Which ICF(s) are you referring to? This one? When did the deletions take place?

It took place in this ICF last night. I was arguing my case that the Union was not looking to cause a war, and Ultramarine . basically went: 'Yea, you were. I'm deleting these to make room.' and then deleted all of the posts.
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| July 20, 2011, 3:49 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
It took place in this ICF last night. I was arguing my case that the Union was not looking to cause a war, and Ultramarine . basically went: 'Yea, you were. I'm deleting these to make room.' and then deleted all of the posts.

Yes, I did exactly as I said I would. You had an opportunity to lodge a protest against it with your "Riiiiight" reply. Why didn't you?

Truth is, you had no real reasons that I could see, but I could post a collaboration from my deleted mail if you so desire. However, as I said, you didn't say much (nor did I) worthwhile so it appears to be much ado about nothing at all. It will take a few hours before I am able to do this.
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| July 20, 2011, 5:19 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Which proves my case. You declare that I don't have a reason, when in fact I do, and then delete all the comments.
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| July 20, 2011, 6:29 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

All you guys do is argue about the same thing over and over again. It's getting a little bit boring and is really taking up too much space. I can count at least 5 occasions when the two of you argued over who started the war. Like, does it really matter? You guys are at war again, it doesn't matter who started it, all that matters now is who finishes on top.
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| July 20, 2011, 7:26 pm
Quoting henry wang
All you guys do is argue about the same thing over and over again. It's getting a little bit boring and is really taking up too much space. I can count at least 5 occasions when the two of you argued over who started the war. Like, does it really matter? You guys are at war again, it doesn't matter who started it, all that matters now is who finishes on top.

See? You were un-informed of what happened because the comments were deleted.

What HAPPENED was me telling Ultra that I wasn't going to have any part in this war, and he goes "TOO BAD."
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| July 20, 2011, 7:36 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
See? You were un-informed of what happened because the comments were deleted.

What HAPPENED was me telling Ultra that I wasn't going to have any part in this war, and he goes "TOO BAD."

I saw the argument last night, it was mainly about the same old. Also you can't avoid a war, eventually no matter what you guys would fight until there was only one nation standing. Finally no one cares that you two are arguing; we all understand you hate each other and if you really want to duke it out with words do so on FM.
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| July 20, 2011, 7:40 pm
Quoting henry wang
I saw the argument last night, it was mainly about the same old. Also you can't avoid a war, eventually no matter what you guys would fight until there was only one nation standing. Finally no one cares that you two are arguing; we all understand you hate each other and if you really want to duke it out with words do so on FM.

Yea, yea, whatever. He doesn't ever reply to my FMs anyway.
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| July 20, 2011, 7:44 pm
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Nick from last night (AKA: Much ado about absolutely nothing):
-"I wasn't going to increase my badgering, and was actually going to draw them down. If you check the facts, the only one going out declaring war are you and Will. Not me."
-"I wasn't going to fight you though. I thought our peace would be ever-lasting, only ending when the sun rose in the west and sat in the east."

Satisfied?

Quoting Nick Shelton
Yea, yea, whatever. He doesn't ever reply to my FMs anyway.

Perhaps because you can't control your 'mouth'?

Quoting Nick Shelton
Which proves my case. You declare that I don't have a reason, when in fact I do, and then delete all the comments.

The real point here is that you don't, and what I've copy + pasted from what you said proves it.

Here's the basic score.
Aggressive actions (since cessation of exhaustion):
EC: 2
PCU: 2-3*
USNA: 0**

*Not counting the 'retraction' of the obvious intent to occupy the Mexican DMZ.
**Only casualties inflicted in self defense of intruders.

Your arguments literally don't add up. All you can say is "I wasn't gonna do anything else!" Totally ignoring the outrageous things that you had ALREADY done. Should I thank you for not committing any OTHER acts of war? Should I feel somehow indebted to you for that? Apparently the past means absolutely nothing to you, does it? You are just seeing that you're gonna have to answer for what you've done, and you don't like that idea very much. So you're trying your best to get out of it any way you can.

If you wanted peace so much, for it to be so enduring, then I ought to be able to put a '0' in your line too. You know the saying that "Actions speak louder than words"? You're actions scream war while your words whisper peace. You have done squat to make sure that this apparently so important peace remains.
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| July 20, 2011, 10:46 pm
Whatever, Ultra. You obviously know all my intentions.
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| July 20, 2011, 11:41 pm
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I thought it was already explained Nick never touched nor intended to touch the DMZ?
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| July 21, 2011, 12:31 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I thought it was already explained Nick never touched nor intended to touch the DMZ?

There's an old Indian saying to the effect: "You never trust the changed word of a deer in the headlights."

He said, and I quote: "I will occupy it because I was gifted it." after I raised a rather clear and concise objection about the DMZ specifically, not Mexico at all. Go back, you can read it for yourself.
Me: "Don't occupy the DMZ, it will be an act of war."
Nick: "I'll occupy it 'cause otherwise it would be uncool."
Tim: "Don't occupy my DMZ either, it will be an act of war."
Nick: "Why do you think I'm going to attack you?"
Both of these statements in direct 'Reply'-button statements to our objections.
What does that mean to you? Does he ever say he WON'T occupy the DMZ? No, his response is clear. I've said less yet been accused of much more on several occasions.

Then, he continued with his story after Tim raised the same objections and after numerous posts on my part on the subject. Furthermore, he did not change that story until he realized that I took it as seriously as I said at the time.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Whatever, Ultra. You obviously know all my intentions.

On the contrary, I only record your actions. Show me otherwise sometime, just to shake things up, why don't you?
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| July 21, 2011, 1:44 am
I'm not frakking changing my story! I admit that the context is a little fudged up, but I was literally only trying to say that I was going to occupy Mexico as a whole. I did not mean that I was going to occupy a DMZ. Jesus Christ.
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| July 21, 2011, 1:56 am
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...That's the most convoluted interpretation I ever saw.

Why are we talking about this anyway? I thought the war had begun, and the time for reasoning was over?
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| July 21, 2011, 2:39 am
I believe I speak for everyone when I say: tl;dr;dc.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:12 am
I seriously have been away for too long....would anyone care to give me a SitRep of anything important happening?

I am currently hosting a china student at my house as part of an exchange program...

Anyway:
- After a week, supplies have finally reached the Main S'pore army stationed along the Thai/Laos border and are ready to commence the invasion of Laos.
@ Awe: Please dont take this as a threat to yr country; think of it this way, an expressway from s'pore to china would surely boost trade xD

-More building stuff
-My camera's gone kaput so i've been unable to upload any pictures for now.
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| July 21, 2011, 10:32 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Why are we talking about this anyway? I thought the war had begun, and the time for reasoning was over?

Well, he could have set our fears at rest, but chose not to. It's highly suspect indeed, highly suspect. And don't think I don't think you guys have been collaborating your stories over FM.

But yes, it did start on July 8th, 2037. I am most anxious to see how very pulverizing the opening assaults were. If I'm not mistaken, we should see that later today.
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| July 21, 2011, 11:13 am
Quoting Ultramarine .

Here's the basic score.
Aggressive actions (since cessation of exhaustion):
EC: 2
PCU: 2-3*
USNA: 0**

*Not counting the 'retraction' of the obvious intent to occupy the Mexican DMZ.
**Only casualties inflicted in self defense of intruders.

Shall we not forget the commando raid on my base, or was that the Brazilians? Either way, I still have quite a few commandos in my hands...
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| July 21, 2011, 11:34 am
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Quoting Will G.
Shall we not forget the commando raid on my base, or was that the Brazilians? Either way, I still have quite a few commandos in my hands...

For all I know, they could have been German, but not me. Well, murder befits you lately it seems, go for it.

However, by the time I'm done thrashing you, murdering POWs will be the least of your concerns.
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| July 21, 2011, 11:42 am
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Upon request of many concerned commercial mariners, the Union State has scrambled several military vessels to protect our sea-faring trade interests. Of course all international laws shall be observed and practiced and we hope no incident is made out of this mobilization. We cannot afford for our trade to be cut short because of the belligerence caused by the majority of Europe and, to some effect, America.

The mass ground mobilization of our forces is nearly complete. Air traffic is being closely monitored and our satellites are keeping a close eye on movements near our borders. We've also put boots in Independent Ukraine as a measure of friendship and regional security. The Ukrainian people seem to regard this movement as a positive notion rather than an occupation, so this is a great plus for healing the wounds of the recent civil war and annexation.

In other news, older variations of our many vehicle classes are being recycled and replaced by the newer models available. Many of our earlier AMBTs are being withdrawn from our reserves and made in Mk.IVs; same with our AIFVs and other vehicles with multiple marks. Although our older designs are still very much capable of whatever mission given to them, we wish to never repeat the mistakes of the former Russian Federation and Soviet Union by prolonging the lives of greatly outdated equipment; we shall maintain a grade-A military force that will last through the decades.

Lastly, the public has been leaked photos of a new mobile gun platform/tank destroyer from an anonymous source. Although we already have a similar vehicle in service, it's not a dedicated unit meant to duke it out with other supportive armour. Anyhow, this vehicle is rumored to have a 125mm rifled cannon embedded in a turret very similar to the AIFV Mk.II's. The Defense Ministry has not made a comment on the development of such a vehicle; this is likely due to the fact that the final block of Mi-24/35s has been cancelled in favor of building a new, more capable bird that can be utilized by our Western and Eastern partners alike and the Brass is a little upset by the death of one of the most iconic birds of Russia.
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| July 21, 2011, 2:02 pm
Who's the CM now?

Following this disturbing news from across the DMZ, General Bedford began broadcasting a message to all military installations across the World under a Union banner.

"This is General Bedford. Moments ago, our intelligence confirmed reports of a Western Republic attack against our homes is underway. We do not know the size or the disposition or the strength of the enemy forces. But all indications point... to a massive assault against Union defenses. How, why... doesn't really matter now. What does matter is that, as of this moment, we are at war."

"You've trained for this. You're ready for this. Stand to your duties, trust your fellow soldiers and we'll all get through this. Further updates as we get them. Thank you."
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| July 21, 2011, 2:30 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, he could have set our fears at rest, but chose not to. It's highly suspect indeed, highly suspect. And don't think I don't think you guys have been collaborating your stories over FM.

But yes, it did start on July 8th, 2037. I am most anxious to see how very pulverizing the opening assaults were. If I'm not mistaken, we should see that later today.


Nick? Me? Using Flickr mail when we have Gmail chat? /trolol

And opening assaults? Well, since you began the war, I guess we'll get to see your assaults first.

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| July 21, 2011, 4:02 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Who's the CM now?


Honestly, I don't know.

Also, your alert can't be taken into account with the CM due to the...extensive wait for a CR.
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| July 21, 2011, 8:52 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
For all I know, they could have been German, but not me. Well, murder befits you lately it seems, go for it.

However, by the time I'm done thrashing you, murdering POWs will be the least of your concerns.

What's that? Encouraging me to kill them?
You will have to burn Dixie inch by inch to effectively thrash me buddy... How would you know I'm not attacking you anyway?
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| July 21, 2011, 8:52 pm
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Quoting Will G.
What's that? Encouraging me to kill them?
You will have to burn Dixie inch by inch to effectively thrash me buddy... How would you know I'm not attacking you anyway?

Well, if you sent in orders that were *supposed* to be effective on the 8th, then you attacked me first. If not, it's the other way around.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:00 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Who's the CM now?

That'd be me. I've already written the CR and it'll be uploaded in two parts shortly. However, I'll have to ask that each member involved with have to bear with me on this one because it's the first one I've done in awhile. Feel free to logically contest specific parts or the whole.

Also, for the next batch of orders, if you're on the offensive, please specify a city or county or something of the nature that you're aiming for as an objective. You don't necessarily have to go to that city and conquer it, but I need to have a general idea of what direction you're heading and what geography may interfere, etc.

Lastly, an index would be nice if you're saying "division" or "squadron" or something. Everyone has a different breakdown of what these things are, so I kind of need to know what you're working with. It doesn't have to be broken down to the microlevel, but just say "15K troops and about thirty tanks" or something of the nature; no need to include logistical vehicles granted they're logically there.

Actually, one more thing. I might be taking over the European CM job to help move things along, so I'll let you know when the next batch of orders are do for either front [American or Euro].
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| July 21, 2011, 9:03 pm
Quoting TheSpectre 117
I am currently hosting a china student at my house as part of an exchange program...
.

Cool, in spring we had a Spanish exchange student (from Madrid) stay with us for an exchange program, and he was really nice.

On the idea about CMing, if there is an open spot I would gladly like to do it. Currently, Australia is not on a "side" and is probably one of the most neutral countries right now.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:06 pm
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CR Eight July

EC/USNA

As the early hours of the day began, USNA artillery and other explosive ordinance began to engage and dispose of air force bases and equipment within EC territory to astounding affect with several AFB in OK, AL, and LA being severely damage. Other installations closer to the Eastern Seaboard were hit by one kilo-ton ballistic missiles with severe damage being dealt, but the exact details are presently unknown to the USNA; as it stands, it looks like repairs may take anywhere from a few days to lay down a makeshift runway or one to two weeks to bring in equipment replacements. Seven F-35s belonging to the EC border patrol and nine F-37s belonging to the inner and coastal patrol were caught on the ground being either refueled or getting maintenance rounds done and were neutralized by the barrages. BASMs were also fired, but only two LCSs were destroyed due to heightened mobilization efforts in anticipation of conflict, meaning most of the vessels are out of port and keeping their distance for the moment.

As a surprise maneuver done by the USNA, two bulk freighters within the Great Lakes were filled with men and Abrams within the Great Lakes just before the attacks aforementioned. The vessels were marked as Spanish merchant craft, but this immediately sparked concern within the EC ranks. Why would such a vessel travel this far north when it could have simply been accepted on the east coast? The ships were then boarded by EC officials who were silently neutralized nearly immediately. To make up for the lost time doing so, several CF-18s penetrated EC airspace farther east on the Michigan Peninsula and therein creating a great distraction amongst all the radio chatter long enough for the freighters to slyly pass security details and such. Specialized teams were detached and communication equipment and signalers were eliminated as the freighters were offloading. After a couple of hours of dismounting all of the equipment and personnel, a four-bird air patrol caught sight of the masses and engaged the USNA ships and such. They managed to score hits on six Abrams, eliminated some four-hundred men, and caused severe damage to one of the freighter’s bridges. The patrol called in the offload just before one of the birds was knocked out by a MANPADS and pursued by CF-18s that weren’t doing their job too well apparently. One more EC bird was lost after one CF-18 was shot to bits and another two sustaining critical damage and forced to head home. The USNA forces still offloading managed to kick it in gear and spread secure a nice foothold [with air defenses and air support] awaiting reinforcements or the “OK” to press on.

Still noting the Great Lakes area, some 5,000 troops with 60 Leclerc MBTs attempted to press through the Wisconsin coast. However, as a side effect of the CF-18s pressing into EC airspace and the early battery barrages, F-35s in the area were on high alert and managed to halt the forces after they advanced some twenty miles inwards. The birds managed to score hits on eleven Leclercs and strafed and neutralized nearly two hundred USNA troops before the local state divisions [one mechanized and one armoured] were alerted and mobilized to counter-attack; three F-35s were shot down upon retreat by F-89s [two lost to another patrol]. As it stands, the USNA troops have dug-in and are weighing to either make a tactical retreat or continue to press towards the landed forces due east and hope the latter can eliminate the EC forces.

Further south in Iowa, some 150,000 USNA troops with dense armoured support managed to mobilize inwards some forty-five miles by pressing in fast and hard. Again though, border patrol F-35s came in and managed to score hits on Leopards and other tanks. However, these birds were ambushed from above by more F-89s sent in for air dominance and managed to put down two F-35s to the one F-89. The USNA forces are now pressing on with CAP and CAS flights flying as detached support meant to counter any counter-attack efforts.

Utilizing probe maneuvers with TOW-armed HMMWVs, USNA forces pressing into OK were able to score hits on the some enemy armour sent into the area to hold the border [this armoured division was alerted by the northern incidents and UAV reconnaissance]. At least six EC tanks were knocked out of the fight just before EC A-10s and other CAS flights came in and drew the line in the sand. Presently, both sides are kicking their artillery in the dirt and firing at one another while the air battle above is getting more and more heated. This bulge [OK] in the USNA’s borders is critical for counter attacking into other USNA states if the EC is to recover from these immediate losses and others that may occur in the coming weeks.

Due south of OK, another USNA attack aimed at LA managed to score some major grabs after having additional foreign mechanized brigades. EC recon was unable to confirm what nation they belonged to, but they surely don’t belong to the USNA. At any rate, the dense push of mechanized and armoured divisions scored the USNA a spearhead of seventy-two miles before the terrain was used against them and EC ATGM pot-shots began scoring hits. Air supremacy is still up in the air, but with local bases in the state devastated by the earlier barrages, their immediate logistical advantage has been equalized. Still SAM coverage remains thoroughly available which may f—k s—t up a bit.

In the high seas of the Gulf, one of the EC patrol groups managed to spot the USNA Nimitz in the area and her supporting vessels. However, in fear of BASMs, they withdrew a distance and relayed their findings to the rest of the Gulf defense fleet as well as the jerry-rigged EC air defense network in the Gulf. An element of F-29s from the USNA Nimitz managed to find this patrol group and marked their position for targeting, but the weather took a turn for the worst and the pursuit and engagement was called off. As it stands, there have been no major naval engagements yet; however, both sides remain alert and await the first shots to fired at sea.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, if you sent in orders that were *supposed* to be effective on the 8th, then you attacked me first. If not, it's the other way around.

Repeatedly telling everyone how you sent your orders in nearly two weeks ago is not helping your case about not being a war-mongering D-B.

Also, Andrew informed us of your invasion around that time as well, and if you combine that with the fact that we are definitely not clueless, leads to us knowing you were going to attack since you declared peace.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:17 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Also, Andrew informed us of your invasion around that time as well...

Yes, in a flawless display of misunderstanding non-disclosure...
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| July 21, 2011, 9:22 pm
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CR Eight July

USNA/PCU

In coordination with the barrages against EC airfields, the USNA again fired one-kiloton ballistic missiles and heavy artillery at in-range PCU AFBs and civilian airstrips; the latter not being conducted against the EC. Anyhow, Los Angeles International and Edwards AFB sustained a great bit of damage and all the runways require at least three days of repair if not full replacement. However, due to most of the PCU’s birds being scrambled in anticipation of conflict, less than thirty-five birds were eliminated across the whole of the country.

After these initial strikes, both parties began to open up on each other’s border defenses. The PCU employed several AC-130s to eliminate targets resisting the PCU’s mobilization through Alberta and into Idaho. They managed to claim a sixty-mile spearhead towards Boise before being halted by local defenses and air suppression.

While the PCU pushed into Idaho, the USNA made a thrust down into British Columbia while maintaining their movement respectfully close to Alaskan territory for the sake of logistical bail-out and such if cut off. Still, despite being able to overwhelm the air power in the north through superior numbers, the USNA was constantly harassed by CAS flights making runs against the densely packed amour that had to use major highways and such due to the lack of northern infrastructure; more or less, the mobilizing forces looked like a nice strip targets. Still, each PCU CAS flight was quickly engaged and eliminated upon pursuit leaving twelve birds out of the fight for the PCU and three birds, six hundred troop casualties, and thirty other pieces of equipment and vehicles neutralized for the USNA. The total distance gained is roughly fifty to fifty-miles with air supremacy being disputed after the USNA’s positions were called in and TOW-equipped PCU vehicles taking pot-shots.

Still in the same area, a PCU fleet was scrambled some five days before this report. Containing a Nimitz, eight GMCs/GMDs, and several other pickets, it sailed off towards the Bering Strait to locate and neutralize Alaska’s largest naval base wherever it may be. Utilizing Chinese satellites, the PCU eventually located it and launched three MAF-2 squadrons ahead of another wing, this one filled with bombers, from Astoria. As the bombers came into Alaskan airspace, a local CAP was launched in retaliation filled with Su-51s [can’t remember his designation for the bird] meant to boot the invaders out. However, Prowlers equipped with jamming equipment were in with the bombers and the Alaskan pilots had to engage via vision alone. They managed to knock one of the Prowlers out, offering a slight flux in radar pings and thus one B-1B was also shot down just before the aforementioned MAF-2s ambushed the Alaskan planes from above. Three immediate kills were claimed by the MAFs before they trailed off with the Alaskans in pursuit. The bomber wing pressed on and made it to the NB where they then dropped cluster munitions with varying timers onto their targets. One bomber had a malfunctioning bay and was killed via a MANPADS. Again, Alaskan birds were scrambled and they managed to kill off the remaining Prowlers that caused such a hassle beforehand. Unfortunately, in all the hastiness of launch, the Alaskan birds weren’t equipped with enough fuel to further pursue the PCU planes and were forced to turn home after knocking out three Valkyries and damaging another B-1. The planes pursuing the MAFs also returned home after eliminating another hostile only to hear about the raid’s damage on the NB. It’s been reported three ships in-port were critically damaged and much of the support equipment being out for the count.

Down south in Baja, a USNA push including some 75K men broke through PCU defenses after being led by specialized platoons that had done operational training during the recuperation period beforehand. However, PCU Marines landed en masse in this area so the USNA could press no deeper. CAP and CAS offered by three America-class vessels out at sea managed to contest the USNA’s prior air dominance in the region and leaving the PCU with eight confirmed kills and the USNA with six. Minute armour engagements occurred after some hours of staring at each other along the mostly stagnant line and the USNA managed to squeeze in a total of thirty miles with mild casualties that include unknown numbers. The PCU sustained fewer casualties due to their defensive stage of operations.

Several AC-130s and other gunships managed to engage the USNA base at the tip of Baja and eliminated several fuel reserves and communications equipments. They then made one good run on the USNA forces trying to press into Cali and one Spook was shot down.

In Mexico itself, the PCU has pressed into SC territory in hopes of linking up into SE Cali and cutting off Baja. This was done relatively well as the local SC forces were caught a little off-guard after putting attention into the Baja conflict. However, after forty-miles of gained territory, the PCU was contested by an additional patrol from the USNA. The Rio Grande was also flooded with reservoir water as to make things a bit more difficult to cross.

Also, a detachment from Central America pressed into southern PCU Mexico in an attempt to squeeze the enemy together and essentially eliminate them on their own time. They managed to gain roughly twenty-five miles before the geography started working against them as local PCU forces began to set up explosive traps and launch ATGMs from secured positions.

Throughout the western-most USNA-PCU combative line, anti-material rifles have been cracking through the mountains and eliminating any vehicles they can sink their rounds into. This has caused a mental disturbance in local patrols and probes simply because they know things can go sour for them at any time. However, there has been little effort to seek the snipers out and eliminate them due to the horrid geography and fear of sustaining excessive casualties.

Alas, the PCU scrambled a flight of F-16s and E-2s from San Diego to hopefully seek and eliminate the USNA fleet(s) at either HI or Midway while they were hopefully in port. Contrary to their hopes, the birds found the USNA had already mobilized its HI task force after intel came in from the Chinese sats. Regardless, the pilots knew turning home would mean they spent this fuel on nothing, so they engaged. The F-16s with jamming provided by the E-2s managed to slip through the initial CAP and score hits on several picket vessels before being spotted amongst the coverage of night. One frigate was scuttled due to excessive hull and bridge damage and another one was forced to go to port for repairs. The local destroyers managed to throw up some AA munitions after using visual contact to track the E-2s and eliminate them. USNA jets then rolled off from the Resolve-class CV to engage the remaining F-16s. While the latter was being pursued, F-117s came in a dropped their rather miniscule loads on the task force and managed to score hits on the auxiliary control bridge on the carrier and managed to mildly damage two destroyers and another frigate. However, the CAP in the area was thick and two Nighthawks were taken down after bays opened up. The USNA followed the enemy’s tail and found that F-4s were also in the area to provide relief for the F-16 pilots. Immediately, the aging Phantoms were flung from the sky and another F-16 was hit. All pilots are in the hands of the USNA. All in all though, this attack was a success in the fact they found an enemy fleet and engaged in with serious damage being dealt.

Middle East
Several marine merchants selling goods in Israel have noted that there is an extensive air patrol going around Egypt’s coast. They couldn’t confirm the birds’ marks, but they were not Egyptian. It’s suspected these belong to the PCU and/or China and therein the Axis’ has their bases covered in regards to strategic defense.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:24 pm
Erik, may you live forever, Ultra's stat page shows his Army only has 205,000 troops. Yet he mobilized that many? Surely you must be joking.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:30 pm
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The lights are going out across all of America, and I fear we will not see them lit again in our lifetime.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:34 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Erik, may you live forever, Ultra's stat page shows his Army only has 205,000 troops. Yet he mobilized that many? Surely you must be joking.

Yup. Now, scroll down until your screen shows the 40,500 guardsmen and the 65,000 reservists. Also, the 135,000 RCA infantry.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:35 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

You both are equally guilty of being warmongers because number 1 you attacked Alaska out of the blue, and since it was in this CR most likely it was planned. So don't pretend that you are some peace loving hippie because both of you ended up going on the offensive.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:35 pm
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Quoting henry wang
You both are equally guilty of being warmongers because number 1 you attacked Alaska out of the blue, and since it was in this CR most likely it was planned. So don't pretend that you are some peace loving hippie because both of you ended up going on the offensive.


Nick made a bad mistake, it seems. Brazil and Alaska were not involved as he suspected. But they are now!

/looks back to comments about lights going out
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| July 21, 2011, 9:37 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Nick made a bad mistake, it seems. Brazil and Alaska were not involved as he suspected. But they are now!

/looks back to comments about lights going out

Yea, I sent in those defensive orders before July 2nd, back when Brikkr was still an Ally and the ACU was still a country. I did not figure they would be neutral in this conflict, so I included them in the orders (which were written in May, mind you).
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| July 21, 2011, 9:39 pm
Erik, I've sent you an FM regarding a few of my plans that you may have not taken into account, otherwise, I' rather pleased.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:40 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Yea, I sent in those defensive orders before July 2nd, back when Brikkr was still an Ally and the ACU was still a country. I did not figure they would be neutral in this conflict, so I included them in the orders (which were written in May, mind you).

Well, congrats, you got all of us now! Let's see you squirm!

You know, there is a little thing called *changing* them. I did.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:41 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, congrats, you got all of us now! Let's see you squirm!

You know, there is a little thing called *changing* them. I did.

I didn't change my orders, because I figured that it'd cause confusion. You also seem to have forgotten that your little friend in Cuba told us about this invasion back in the first week of July.


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| July 21, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I didn't change my orders, because I figured that it'd cause confusion. You also seem to have forgotten that your little friend in Cuba told us about this invasion back in the first week of July.

So you had plenty of time to change them. Otherwise, I fail to see your point.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:45 pm
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Everyone that sees that their orders were either completely mistaken or bits that seemed to be overlooked, please FM me your complaints directly. I will have a update to correct these errors up early tomorrow afternoon, so don't take anything to heart quite just yet; things may be subject to change.
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| July 21, 2011, 9:51 pm
Today, in the Union:

OAAE released a picture of their MLV-2:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/5962416839/in/photostream
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| July 21, 2011, 10:11 pm
In the SC...

President Casey has delivered this address to the whole nation:

"/ National anthem fades in
/ Replace "Brazil" with "Great Confederacy".
Good evening. As many of you may have seen on your Televisions or on the Radio, the Pacific Union has invaded across northern Mexico. As in many cases, this is an act of war. Our Military has begun mobilizing, and the Mexican Defense Force has begun doing this too. May you all know that this will not be tolerated and they shall be punished with all possible intensities. Have a good evening, and remember: Forever Mexico." 
/ National anthem fades out
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| July 21, 2011, 10:32 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Attacking 'USNA' base on the tip of the Baja.

I just realized that you're in more trouble than you thought. I gave that base to Andrew after the last war, it hasn't been a USNA base for months. It was announced in the treaty thread, ICF, and confirmed by multiple posts by the two of us. Congratulations, you're also at war with Cuba.

I'm also calling BS on your flimsy excuse that you hadn't updated your defensive plans since mid-May. You weren't 'gifted' Mexico until early this month, yet you had some pretty good defense plans for them.
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| July 22, 2011, 11:44 am
Production of the new Ka-93 "Crocodile" is under way and the hull for the new NSP Teheran has been laid. NSP Teheran is a joint project between Russia and Iran. Also the TP-2 Darius will begin production in one week following the final delivery of parts from Russia. New factories and drydocks are being constructed with the help of specialists from China. The two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships are being outfitted with new defensive weapon systems and drone controller stations. the Tu-160's recently purchased from russia are being updated with a new radar, engines and fire control systems. Also they are being coated in radar absorbing paint.
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| July 22, 2011, 2:50 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You weren't 'gifted' Mexico until early this month, yet you had some pretty good defense plans for them.


A man may make new shoes and not repair his old ones, can he not?

In China:
-Our PCU buddies have gotten themselves in a excrement-tone of trouble over in America, I wonder what we're going to do about it.
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| July 22, 2011, 3:32 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
In China:
-Our PCU buddies have gotten themselves in a excrement-tone of trouble over in America, I wonder what we're going to do about it.

Not much for 2-3 days, if I'm to understand the amendments. There isn't an intact airstrip military or civilian west of the Rockies. PCU airspace belongs to me.

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| July 22, 2011, 4:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Not much for 2-3 days, if I'm to understand the amendments. There isn't an intact airstrip military or civilian west of the Rockies. PCU airspace belongs to me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_MgmAVppXU
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| July 22, 2011, 4:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I just realized that you're in more trouble than you thought. I gave that base to Andrew after the last war, it hasn't been a USNA base for months. It was announced in the treaty thread, ICF, and confirmed by multiple posts by the two of us. Congratulations, you're also at war with Cuba.

I'm also calling BS on your flimsy excuse that you hadn't updated your defensive plans since mid-May. You weren't 'gifted' Mexico until early this month, yet you had some pretty good defense plans for them.

I've had open borders with John Dawn though for quite some time. That's why Mexico was there.

Also, you can call BS all you want. Does it make you the better man to claim false things as true?

Quoting Tim Casey

Our sincerest apologies.

@ Andrew: Oops.
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| July 22, 2011, 6:54 pm
I will be gone for the next week, last I checked, awe's in control
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| July 22, 2011, 8:54 pm
Quoting Daniel Holland
I will be gone for the next week, last I checked, awe's in control

That reminds me, I will be gone for a week as well, starting Sunday.
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| July 22, 2011, 10:37 pm
Triple leave of absence! I'll be gone tomorrow as I head back home, don't release that CR any time soon Andrew.
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| July 22, 2011, 10:57 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Triple leave of absence! I'll be gone tomorrow as I head back home, don't release that CR any time soon Andrew.

Somehow, I don't think you'll need to worry about that...
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| July 22, 2011, 11:35 pm
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"When will Andrew's CR come?"

"When the sun rises in the West, and sets in the East. When the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When Spain's fleet is the strongest in the world, and dominates the Mediterranean. Then will Andrew's CR come, and not before."
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| July 23, 2011, 2:31 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great When Spain's fleet is the strongest in the world, and dominates the Mediterranean. Then will Andrew's CR come, and not before."


At first I was going to respond "its already been destroyed," but then I realized the joke XD Funny.
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| July 23, 2011, 11:22 am
Production of the F-303 began yesterday, and by the end of the weekend our first squadron should be equipped with the fighter. Our plan is to replace all of our F-302s with the F-303. Photos and the official reveal will occur by the end of the day.
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| July 23, 2011, 12:15 pm
Yeah, I think it's safe for me to say now that Andrew won't ever be coming back because he totally lashed out at the FOL community in general when I was chatting with him on le BookFace.

>.>

<.<

He also particularly lashed out at Evan and Matt.
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| July 23, 2011, 1:23 pm
Is DR. S the CM?

Quoting Nick Shelton

WHAT. THE. F***!!!! I wasn't at war with you. And in order to hit any of my naval bases except Ketchikan, you'd need to carry external tanks, and Ketchikan is a pretty skimpy base.

Bad move bro, bad move.
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| July 23, 2011, 1:37 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, I think it's safe for me to say now that Andrew won't ever be coming back because he totally lashed out at the FOL community in general when I was chatting with him on le BookFace.

>.>

<.<

He also particularly lashed out at Evan and Matt.

What? Tell me more.
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| July 23, 2011, 1:57 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yeah, I think it's safe for me to say now that Andrew won't ever be coming back because he totally lashed out at the FOL community in general when I was chatting with him on le BookFace.

>.>

<.<

He also particularly lashed out at Evan and Matt.


So this is what you meant by "He mad. He mad everywhere."

I agree with Gober, tell us more.
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| July 23, 2011, 9:08 pm
Quoting Jack Ford
WHAT. THE. F***!!!! I wasn't at war with you. And in order to hit any of my naval bases except Ketchikan, you'd need to carry external tanks, and Ketchikan is a pretty skimpy base.

Bad move bro, bad move.

All of the orders I sent in were defensive. I honestly though that in the event that Ultra attacked me, you and Brikkr would be joining in. That's why my orders were carried out. However, you two were not involved in the conflict. So now I'm at war with two nations due to a misunderstanding. One nation has reached a deal with me, will you?
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| July 23, 2011, 9:29 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

I think you should keep your business out of the group between you and Andrew. I also think that you need to get your facts straight because I'm getting a different story from Andrew himself. Finally CR will be coming out soon because the guard has been changed and Erik is now mod for both conflicts.
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| July 23, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting henry wang
I think you should keep your business out of the group between you and Andrew. I also think that you need to get your facts straight because I'm getting a different story from Andrew himself. Finally CR will be coming out soon because the guard has been changed and Erik is now mod for both conflicts.

I apologize for jumping to conclusions. I suppose he just had a terrible fit of anger.

My apologizes, Andrew.

However, I have all his words recorded still. I can get screenshots to prove if necessary.
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| July 24, 2011, 12:24 am
Quoting Nick Shelton

I would like to remind you that the Hawaiian Islands airspace is soverign SC territory.
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| July 24, 2011, 9:40 am
Can you please leave me alone? Honestly, you and your gaggle of tards are the primary contributers to my disdain for you guys (exluding Erik, Matt, Evan, and Henry). If it makes you feel more alpha, then go ahead and post what I said. It wasn't polite, but it was what was on my mind at the time, and I don't even remember half of what I said anyways. So go ahead and post it to make yourself seem so superior to me, but when it comes down to it, you really can't effect my life more then you ever had.
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| July 24, 2011, 12:06 pm
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Quoting -> avalella
So go ahead and post it to make yourself seem so superior to me, but when it comes down to it, you really can't effect my life more then you ever had.


Gang of tards: trololololol

In all seriousness, you mad. Either you're experiencing the thin-skin syndrome which the infamous Phaze exploited so greatly, or you're too srs bsns to be on the internet. If you can't handle it, walk away with dignity.
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| July 24, 2011, 1:43 pm
Quoting -> avalella
Can you please leave me alone? Honestly, you and your gaggle of tards are the primary contributers to my disdain for you guys (exluding Erik, Matt, Evan, and Henry). If it makes you feel more alpha, then go ahead and post what I said. It wasn't polite, but it was what was on my mind at the time, and I don't even remember half of what I said anyways. So go ahead and post it to make yourself seem so superior to me, but when it comes down to it, you really can't effect my life more then you ever had.


Time and countless time again you have conducted yourself in a most immature manner over the internet. Every time instance a problem arises you throw a fit of rage and only make yourself look bad. You say we "need to get up off the internet and do something", it might surprise you buddy, but I actually have a life too, and am not some nerd that has no friends except LEGO people and I don't let the internet affect my life, let alone throw me into some state of emotional breakdown.
I admit, Cliffe's little interjection here was totally unnecessary, however I would like to know how I, or any group members besides Cliffe, ever acted like a "t a rd" or mistreated you?
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| July 24, 2011, 1:45 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick


...That was Ham. Gober just drew an approximation.
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| July 24, 2011, 4:07 pm
Trololo.

It might surprise you, but the one and only reason I made the post is, in fact, to make clear that you've had enough of CMing, and maybe the whole group. Trying to make myself look superior? LOL. If I was trying to make myself look better I wouldn't still have the horrendous military blunder I call the Hyper War Chariot still on my MOCpage. I know I make mistakes, I know I can be a numbskull, and I'm not afraid to hide it. I do, however, remain capable of having confidence in myself and look forward to getting things right in the future.
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| July 24, 2011, 4:34 pm
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Today, in the USNA...

With the great dearth of enemy air power over both fronts, bordering on nonexistent, the USNA War Department turns its eyes to winning the war on the ground.

War Department propaganda is labeling the wall that the PCU saw fit to build as the "Folly Wall" and creating a general disdain for it amongst the ranks, pointing to how easily it was breached on the first day. Actually, exactly like the Maginot Line was. Boy, if that wasn't prophetic.

Right now, the chief concern is keeping Chinese interlopers out of the states, as they supposedly promised. Finding them therefore in open and illegal violation of the treaty, it will be enforced with all possible vigor until they either give up or the PCU is no more.

Anyhow, the war goes as planned for right now, but we'll have to see how bad it gets.

Production goes on with everything. Another 60 M90s, 10 F-40s, 20 M77s, and 1 A/B-3 were completed today.

I'd also like to remind Cliffe and others that Israel is off-limits to their attacks. How so? Well, the combat moderator himself has ensured its safety, and you can't attack a CM.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
...That was Ham. Gober just drew an approximation.

It's called a caricature, and it's just as bad. Combined with humor that wouldn't amuse anyone with a mentality greater than that of a 7 year old.
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| July 24, 2011, 5:00 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Um, is it any of your business that he might be done with the group. I really don't think so; you should leave him alone and you had no business posting that on mocpages. Personally I think that you are just trying to make him out to be a bad guy due to some personal vendetta against him. (This is what I find is really childish) I think that you should immediately halt any further discussion about the personal affairs with him, and solve it one on one.
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| July 24, 2011, 5:10 pm
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In the wartime UNC, several notable things have occurred in the past few days:
Militarily-
-Replacement of Gripens in service is now slowly starting, being replaced by JAS-43sat a rate of approximately 20 per week. We are grateful that the months in development allowed for large aircraft factories to be built in preparation.
-The first Airborne Combat Vehicles are now completing trials and unit training, first examples are expected to reach unit service by Tuesday
-3 new Type-4 subs that have been building for months have entered service, as well as several new Thessaloniki class Frigates
-Other vehicle production continues at breakneck pace

Civil:
-Evacuation zones have been set up for major cities in the event of raids against civilians (something we strongly oppose)
-The economy is starting to show signs of slowing down, as could be expected for a nation at war. However, consumer spending of emergency supplies (canned goods, batteries, mobile generators) has, predictably, increased dramatically.

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| July 24, 2011, 5:11 pm
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Sorry about the delay in posting this CR correction. The weather in SC, or at least where I'm at, has been severe and I haven't been able to connect to the poor MOCpages servers.


Burma
Coalition reconnaissance in the skies of Burma have suggested there is a large influx of Chinese movement. This is no guerrilla based insurrection to be sure, granted the troop numbers and armour support presently being evaluated by Scandinavian officers may show a full scale invasion by China and friends. There's still a lot of ambiguity amongst the situation; however, Scandilander pilots have been busy with eliminating visible targets whenever they can get the chance. At least four tanks have been eliminated with nearly two hundred Burmese and "volunteer" being taken as casualties. No UNC planes have been neutralized as of yet.


PCU/USNA
Due to my severe underestimating of the artillery barrages upon PCU airbases and such, all but Los Angeles International and Bellingham International have been lost [they survived via AGMS-2s colliding with the incoming projectiles], but damage to runways and hangars and such has been sustained. Planes sortied before the bombardment have been forced to ditch or land on makeshift runways on highways. Of course doing the latter has caused some damage to the planes [undercarriage and such] and to the roads themselves; neither are truly built to accommodate one another.

The RCA movement has also been misinterpreted and the final movement stands at close to seventy to seventy-five miles.


EC/USNA
Due the reason listed above, roughly only ten airbases remain operational with another five to ten looking like they could become mission capable after a week's repairs or so.

Anyhow, EC Wild Weasels managed to engage about an eighth of the USNA's border and mobile AA/SAM and radar equipment. However, the contest for air supremacy caused at least twelve of these planes to be shot down or critically damaged.

Also, two squadrons EC F-1 Blackfish loitering in the air awaiting a USNA invasion managed to get the drop on the USNA movements into OK and Iowa. They managed to destroy a combination twenty or so HMMWVs, thirteen LAVs and IFVs, and eighteen or so tanks while putting two hundred men out of the fight; this is a combination of both squadrons, mind you.

I'll get to the EC's counterattacks next CR granted two divisions will take awhile to mobilize entirely regardless of preparation.

Also, a man's corpse was recovered by the USNA and is said to be a messenger meant to coordinate with defectors within the USNA. Invasionary and defensive plans were recovered. Or that's what the USNA officials think to be; severe encryption has been established on the electronic information device.


If I missed anything again, you'll just have to get over it I'm afraid. I'll be busy in the coming weeks with IB bukkake, so bear with me.

American orders are due Weds. I'll hopefully have a Euro CR done Tues. or Thurs. depending.
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| July 24, 2011, 5:51 pm
A Special Report from Al-Jezeera Egypt-

In somewhat breaking news today, an IDU summit held by the Pharaoh today has resulted in a new name for the group. The decision was made based on allegations of theocracy and extremism. The IDU is now to be known as the Arabic African Union, or the AAU.

The decision came with a announcement by the Pharaoh as to the AAU's position in the world.

"The AAU is a collective of freedom and justice. There is never a time in which religion prejudices should take a place in government. The AAU is a collective purposed to defend peoples of African and Arabic origin across the world from religious intolerance, and not to oppress others with our own way of living. H@ters to the left."

The Pharaoh has also recently appointed a Catholic Christian man who immigrated from Poland during times of strife to the leading committee of the quite large Royal Department of Health and Public Safety. An Egyptian-born Jewish man has also been appointed as the chairman of the Royal Department of Finance.

Military buildup appears to be escalating in the heartland as it winds down on the previously heated borders. New contracts have been made out to the old War Chariot firm for what has been confirmed as a new APC as well as an unknown, more secretive vehicle, possibly a replacement for the national embarrassment known as the Macro War Chariot. More news as it comes to us.
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| July 24, 2011, 6:21 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Right now, the chief concern is keeping Chinese interlopers out of the states, as they supposedly promised. Finding them therefore in open and illegal violation of the treaty, it will be enforced with all possible vigor until they either give up or the PCU is no more.


When I make a promise, it ain't supposed. Also, the treaty is null and void now, if it wasn't already before. You're at war with the Union, you're at war with me. Get ready for over 9000 Chinamen.

Quoting Ultramarine .
It's called a caricature, and it's just as bad. Combined with humor that wouldn't amuse anyone with a mentality greater than that of a 7 year old.


My god, if someone drew a caricature of me, I'd definitely have the mentality greater than a 7 year old and ignore it.
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| July 24, 2011, 6:25 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great Human waves
If I didn't catch the obvious "9000!" joke, I might have laughed at your ignorance.

There is literally nothing you can do now. All of two air ports are left, and those are easily covered/destroyed. You simply cannot land your troops anywhere. Oh, you'll air drop them in? How will you refuel your aircraft without once again putting them squarely over Midway/Hawaii? The PCU is literally without an air force in shape or form. Perhaps a few can be repaired, but we're looking at losses worse than the Egypt's during the Six Day War; now bordering on 95% or greater. Sure, maybe he has some copters lying around in open fields someplace, but those are easily taken care of. No more capabilities for strategic lift, no more capabilities for for large aircraft of any kind. Not even civilian air traffic.

Also, sure, the MAF-4 might have made a difference with its VTOL capabilities if it weren't for the fact that this attack occurred BEFORE the maiden flight of that aircraft. Confusing I know.

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| July 24, 2011, 6:42 pm
Recent negotiations with the head of state of Germany have interested the Pharaoh in increasing his relations with the good nations of Europe. Egypt and the AAU extend a friendly hand to the Byzantine Empire, and gladly offer our partnership as an ally in the western Mediterranean.

The AAU also seeks to establish new ties with the states of the UNC. Trade is also an exciting topic.

Umad, Awe? /trollface
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| July 24, 2011, 7:33 pm
The prime minister is announcing that any nation aiding either the EC, Spain, or China in attacking any allied European nations is an enemy of The Commonwealth. We especially look closely at the PCU and the AAU because they are the most likely candidates for aiding our enemies.

We also are announcing that we will defend the sovereignty of Israel from possible invaders around them. We have sold them 50 F-302s fighter interceptors and 100 assorted variants of the Sabre IFV/Light Tank. We hope that they will be capable of defending themselves with these new advanced weapons. For now we will not be sending troops to defend the rightful lands of the Israelis; however, we will support them in any other way.

All of our shipping is currently being diverted around the Med. and we are beginning to rely on some more efficient energy sources. However, for now, due to the war, we will begin to tap our reserves in order to meet demand for oil by the private sector. We predict that we can sustain ourselves for at least a month, and currently oil is slowly trickling in from the South China Sea.

Finally we laugh at the AAU because their people and government apparently don't care that the Byzantium Empire shot down an expensive satellite and are now trying to negotiate trade with the very nation that shot it down.
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| July 24, 2011, 7:39 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
My god, if someone drew a caricature of me, I'd definitely have the mentality greater than a 7 year old and ignore it.

Someone already has, and you thought it was accurate. Remember the huge pile of assorted valuables?

Quoting Ultramarine .
Israel protected by CM

Now that, that's blatant rule-lawyering. Israel is YOUR puppet state, not Erik's.

One would actually think they'd know better and sever all ties, considering the way the last puppet that let you base operations in its territory got completely gutted of anything worth money or that could be used by a military.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Umad, Awe? /trollface

That.. might not be your brightest idea yet.
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| July 24, 2011, 7:47 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Umad, Awe? /trollface

That.. might not be your brightest idea yet.

I'm not turining my back on anyone just yet. I just decided it's an even worse idea to mess worth Europe than it was before. Somehow. >.>
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| July 24, 2011, 7:57 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe The AAU also seeks to establish new ties with the states of the UNC. Trade is also an exciting topic.


The UNC is pleasantly surprised at this change of international relations, and at this time, would like to welcome an AAU embassy in Stockholm, our capital. There, hopefully our Ambassadors will be able to work on fruitful long-term arrangements.
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| July 24, 2011, 8:02 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Now that, that's blatant rule-lawyering. Israel is YOUR puppet state, not Erik's.

One would actually think they'd know better and sever all ties, considering the way the last puppet that let you base operations in its territory got completely gutted of anything worth money or that could be used by a military.

Uhhhhh. No. Erik and I are both protecting Israel. I have never made anything more of Israel than Erik has. I have never stationed troops there, and never ordered them around. They are simply protected by the USNA, Union State, and now the Commonwealth. I claim them as an ally, but not a 'puppet' state per se. Ok, yes, a puppet state without any duties. Happy now?

Still, the fact remains that if you attack it, you've got three nations coming down on you hard.
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| July 24, 2011, 8:06 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
There is literally nothing you can do now.


As I've said to you time and again: We'll see about that.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Umad, Awe? /trollface


The wage of traitors is death.

Quoting Areetsa C
Someone already has, and you thought it was accurate. Remember the huge pile of assorted valuables?


That's right, I have an actual sense of humor and don't take myself seriously enough to get upset over things like pictures.
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| July 24, 2011, 8:33 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

As I've said to you time and again: We'll see about that.

Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Umad, Awe? /trollface


The wage of traitors is death.


Don't worry bro, I'm just trying to make u jelly. ;3

But we have some things to discuss.
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| July 24, 2011, 8:42 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Don't worry bro, I'm just trying to make u jelly. ;3

But we have some things to discuss.


You may think Euroco loves you, but just wait. They'll hit you when you least expect it, just as they always do.
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| July 24, 2011, 8:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I'M WINNING.

/you serious face.

Folly Wall, eh? Tell that to the troops all along my border, who are holding you. Tell that to the USNA Garrison on the Idaho border, who suffered a sixty-mile setback. If that's a victory in your book, I'd hate to see a loss.

95 percent of all my air force is destroyed? I'd like you to send me what you're smoking, that's an obscene hallucination you're having.

Lastly, I will reply to your overall statement of "winning" with a quote from Winston Churchill: "We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be."


If you want the Pacific Northwest, you'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.
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| July 24, 2011, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I'm glad Erik and I have a reputation. Unfortunately, Mr. Ackroyd is C'ing so, he won't be doing any invading anytime soon.


Fortunately, you're already in the war, so you, Tom, and Matt can all go after Cliffe freely (I wonder what that would remind me of?). France and Britain, who knows with them. Britain might want the Suez back, France... Napoleon's expedition 2.0?
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| July 24, 2011, 9:52 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Fortunately, you're already in the war, so you, Tom, and Matt can all go after Cliffe freely (I wonder what that would remind me of?). France and Britain, who knows with them. Britain might want the Suez back, France... Napoleon's expedition 2.0?


I have no business in Africa, Cliffe has nothing to fear (from me). Unless he reverses his decision and becomes involved, that is.
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| July 24, 2011, 9:57 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker

I have no business in Africa, Cliffe has nothing to fear (from me). Unless he reverses his decision and becomes involved, that is.


I'll believe that the day Ultra believes Nick wasn't a threat to American peace back in the first war.

/paranoia to compensate for Cliffe's blind trust

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| July 24, 2011, 10:00 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'll believe that the day Ultra believes Nick wasn't a threat to American peace back in the first war.

/paranoia to compensate for Cliffe's blind trust


I will leave you to your unfounded paranoia of me while I continue on with more pressing matters.
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| July 24, 2011, 10:14 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
/you serious face.

Folly Wall, eh? Tell that to the troops all along my border, who are holding you.

The fact that I breached your wall is proof enough of its failure. Your men can hide in the mountains all they like, and sit in their comfortable 'fortifications'. I care little. As you clearly saw, I opted to circumvent these. You are 'holding' my men at bay with your wall as a gnat might hold a spider at bay when the spider has no intention of attacking it.

That area was particularly lightly guarded, and I have the numbers to prove it. But, I have no doubt that threat will cease to exist as you will doubtless need those troops elsewhere very soon...urgently.

Quoting Nick Shelton
95 percent of all my air force is destroyed? I'd like you to send me what you're smoking, that's an obscene hallucination you're having.

Obscene, yes. Hallucination, no. From what Erik said after I clarified how devastatingly thorough and comprehensive the bombardment was, he intimated that your (and the EC's for that matter) air force would cease to exist as an effective fighting force and an entity period. Reread the CR and the correction. EVER single base and civilian air field in your territory is gone (except the two) and all your planes are damaged to certain extents. But hey, it's not me you need to convince, it's the CM.
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| July 24, 2011, 10:27 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
With you and Artsee probbaly planning some half-brained scheme to invade me? No, I don't feel like fighting another front...

Now, what gives you that idea?
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| July 24, 2011, 10:28 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
EVER single base and civilian air field in your territory is gone (except the two)


...Where'd you get the missiles for that? There's hundreds of private air fields in Oregon alone, not to mention Washington, California, British Columbia, and Alberta...
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| July 24, 2011, 10:31 pm
Yaay, Ultra can afford thousands of missiles! And yet, those two missiles would only make two holes in that runway.

And no, it doesn't matter if you "breached" (meager gains) the "Folly Wall". You haven't breached the militarized zone as of yet, and won't if I have anything to say about it. The Union will proclaim victory from the mountaintops!
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| July 24, 2011, 10:35 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Yaay, Ultra can afford thousands of missiles! And yet, those two missiles would only make two holes in that runway.

Two MASSIVE, GAPING holes from 5KT warheads, that is.
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| July 24, 2011, 10:51 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
And no, it doesn't matter if you "breached" (meager gains) the "Folly Wall". You haven't breached the militarized zone as of yet, and won't if I have anything to say about it. The Union will proclaim victory from the mountaintops!

Not when your men are heaving wrecks from lack of water at such altitudes, when food starts running out, and they are the only ones left in their territory.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

...Where'd you get the missiles for that? There's hundreds of private air fields in Oregon alone, not to mention Washington, California, British Columbia, and Alberta...

There are precisely 69 private and official airfields in the current US PCU. Canada, there are a few, but not 15% of the ones down in the states. Believe me, I did do my bookwork.

I have 1,500 and counting Type I and Type II missiles. You'll find them on my "Weapons Locker" mocpage, if you wish. They can carry upwards of a 5 kT warhead, not "Small holes" as one might say.
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| July 24, 2011, 10:53 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Not when your men are heaving wrecks from lack of water at such altitudes, when food starts running out, and they are the only ones left in their territory.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

...Where'd you get the missiles for that? There's hundreds of private air fields in Oregon alone, not to mention Washington, California, British Columbia, and Alberta...

There are precisely 69 private and official airfields in the current US PCU. Canada, there are a few, but not 15% of the ones down in the states. Believe me, I did do my bookwork.

I have 1,500 and counting Type I and Type II missiles. You'll find them on my "Weapons Locker" mocpage, if you wish. They can carry upwards of a 5 kT warhead, not "Small holes" as one might say.


@Mountains: There's still snow on the peaks here in summer, even if our mountains aren't as tall as yours. Nick's men can melt snow for water, and eat their dead for food. >.>

@Airfields: Orly? Not as many as I thought. But now we know, and knowing is half the battle.
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| July 24, 2011, 10:56 pm
Quoting Tim Casey
Two MASSIVE, GAPING holes from 5KT warheads, that is.

Thermonuclear weapons aren't allowed. Small nukes are still nukes.
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| July 24, 2011, 11:14 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Thermonuclear weapons aren't allowed. Small nukes are still nukes.

Kilotons simply refers to an explosive yield. It could be 5 kilotons of high explosive to fuel-air, as is my preferred weapon.
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| July 24, 2011, 11:26 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Kilotons simply refers to an explosive yield. It could be 5 kilotons of high explosive to fuel-air, as is my preferred weapon.

Sooner or later one of those is going to go off in the silo, you know. I don't think they're very stable as far as explosives go.

I'd also like to see some evidence that chemical explosives small enough to fit in an ICBM warhead can have a yield in the kilotons.
Last I checked, the largest conventional bombs in use weren't even a twentieth of a kiloton.
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| July 24, 2011, 11:43 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Sooner or later one of those is going to go off in the silo, you know. I don't think they're very stable as far as explosives go.

Better there where it is contained, right?

Quoting Areetsa C
I'd also like to see some evidence that chemical explosives small enough to fit in an ICBM warhead can have a yield in the kilotons.
Last I checked, the largest conventional bombs in use weren't even a twentieth of a kiloton.

You may be right, but they can pack it pretty high as it is. At least sufficient for my purposes.
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| July 25, 2011, 12:02 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
You may be right, but they can pack it pretty high as it is. At least sufficient for my purposes.

Certainly not in the kiloton range, and there's a rather simple problem messing things up for you: either your bomb is good at making deep, messy holes in runways, and it doesn't cause much collateral damage, or it rips up everything for fifty metres and doesn't leave much of a crater at all.

So, if your missiles are effective at rendering airfields non-functional, they're no good for bombarding army units or cities.
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| July 25, 2011, 12:08 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Certainly not in the kiloton range, and there's a rather simple problem messing things up for you: either your bomb is good at making deep, messy holes in runways, and it doesn't cause much collateral damage, or it rips up everything for fifty metres and doesn't leave much of a crater at all.

So, if your missiles are effective at rendering airfields non-functional, they're no good for bombarding army units or cities.

Well, I see where you're going with this, and you're not getting very far. You're forgetting that there is more than one way to pack a warhead. There are some made for collateral damage, as is the case with fuel-air or thermobaric, and there are those made for penetrating and general mayhem; the HE warhead. I've also got JSOW, MOAB, and lots of other ways to slice and dice these things. Cluster munitions, incendiaries, anti-tank, anti-shipping, heck even laughing gas canisters could be slapped on top of this vehicle.
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| July 25, 2011, 12:36 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, I see where you're going with this, and you're not getting very far. You're forgetting that there is more than one way to pack a warhead. There are some made for collateral damage, as is the case with fuel-air or thermobaric, and there are those made for penetrating and general mayhem; the HE warhead. I've also got JSOW, MOAB, and lots of other ways to slice and dice these things. Cluster munitions, incendiaries, anti-tank, anti-shipping, heck even laughing gas canisters could be slapped on top of this vehicle.

Fuel air and thermobaric are the same things, MOABs aren't made to be used as missile warheads, HE bombs are just for shrapnel and light targets, bunker-busters are generally guided bombs, not missiles, cluster bombs are illegal, JSOWs? Never heard of 'em, anti-tank warheads would be a waste of a perfectly useful ICBM, so go ahead and make lots of them, and laughing gas would ALSO be illegal, because it'd give the person you used it on an opportunity to respond in kind with something more effective; chlorine gas, perhaps.
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| July 25, 2011, 1:59 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
illegal


You're talking to the nation that attacked civilian targets in Japan, destroyed your capital (oh wait, that was the Western Confederation, it's cool now), and has recently received terrorist action from you.

Do you really think he cares about using illegal weapons?
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| July 25, 2011, 3:24 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
You're talking to the nation that attacked civilian targets in Japan, destroyed your capital (oh wait, that was the Western Confederation, it's cool now), and has recently received terrorist action from you.

Do you really think he cares about using illegal weapons?

Lightly toasted a few blocks, actually.

Other than that: no, he wouldn't, except that it'd ruin his pretense at having turned over a new leaf.
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| July 25, 2011, 6:35 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Fuel air and thermobaric are the same things, MOABs aren't made to be used as missile warheads, HE bombs are just for shrapnel and light targets, bunker-busters are generally guided bombs, not missiles, cluster bombs are illegal, JSOWs? Never heard of 'em, anti-tank warheads would be a waste of a perfectly useful ICBM, so go ahead and make lots of them, and laughing gas would ALSO be illegal, because it'd give the person you used it on an opportunity to respond in kind with something more effective; chlorine gas, perhaps.

Technically, yes. There are different types of thermobaric, and fuel-air is one of them. That's where you can get into the kiloton range with these things; (as I forgot last night) I have done significant research in this group on 'devastation-grade' thermobaric weapons into the 20 kT ranges for ICBMs. Russia has apparently developed larger ones, according to Tom.

HE CAN be used to whip out large areas, however. Anti-tank does not refer to the absurd practice of trading one missile for one tank, get the point. JSOW=Joint Stand Off Weapon, creates a rather large area of anti-tank and anti-personnel devastation. MOABs are just cool. These are tactical ballistic missiles, not intercontinental. How are cluster bombs illegal when the PCU used them during our war games in Brazil? The US and UK have used them as recently as 2003.
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| July 25, 2011, 10:51 am
Gee, I hope you don't plan to run the WC into the ground with space programs, stealth thermobaric missiles capable of getting all the way across my nation without being detected, mobilization of nearly your entire military and so much money being handed out to foreign arms manufacturers.

Oh, taken out my whole air force you say? I still have quite a few aircraft capable of defending my nation mind you.
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| July 25, 2011, 7:18 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Technically, yes. There are different types of thermobaric, and fuel-air is one of them. That's where you can get into the kiloton range with these things; (as I forgot last night) I have done significant research in this group on 'devastation-grade' thermobaric weapons into the 20 kT ranges for ICBMs. Russia has apparently developed larger ones, according to Tom.

Let's see some evidence of that.

Quoting Ultramarine .
How are cluster bombs illegal when the PCU used them during our war games in Brazil? The US and UK have used them as recently as 2003.

Well, the US has never paid much attention to international treaties, prefering to consider them to be more like guidelines than anything concrete.
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| July 25, 2011, 7:51 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Gee, I hope you don't plan to run the WC into the ground with space programs, stealth thermobaric missiles capable of getting all the way across my nation without being detected, mobilization of nearly your entire military and so much money being handed out to foreign arms manufacturers.

The space program was smoke and mirrors, though I do think it would be cool. Yeah, the war won't last long though. You guys just can't read a CR, eh? I'm done arguing that, Erik knows the real situation, your wake up call shall be a dark one indeed.

Ok, so radar might track it. Great, what's that gonna do for you? You can't see my silos from satellite because *gasp* you don't have any.

Quoting Areetsa C
Well, the US has never paid much attention to international treaties, prefering to consider them to be more like guidelines than anything concrete.

Ok, so what about the United Kingdom? What's their excuse [before you get too soap-boxy here]?

And as they say, the evidence is in the MOC, good sir. Of course, with Mach 14 interceptors that would splatter the brains of your pilots all over the back of their skulls in a 1/100 of a second, you're not one to talk big on the impossibilities of my weapons, thank you.
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| July 25, 2011, 8:10 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Ok, so what about the United Kingdom? What's their excuse [before you get too soap-boxy here]?

And as they say, the evidence is in the MOC, good sir. Of course, with Mach 14 interceptors that would splatter the brains of your pilots all over the back of their skulls in a 1/100 of a second, you're not one to talk big on the impossibilities of my weapons, thank you.

Point one: puppet state.
Point two: brain splattering, in practice, would only occur in extremely strange circumstances and, in fact, maximum speeds would only be approached in the event of launching an ASAT or long range anti-shipping missile. Considering I've got an area greater than that of australia in which to footle around in, I can't see any problem with using half the country as deceleration room.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Speaking of ASATs: there is currently a camouflaged remotely controlled launch site somewhere in the desert waiting for a suitable spy sat to show up, so that it may launch a Soyuz packed with shrapnel at the interloper. Whether that will be effective or not is questionable, but it's not safe to launch manned Soyuz craft anyway, so it's not like I have anything better to do with it.
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| July 25, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Point two: brain splattering, in practice, would only occur in extremely strange circumstances and, in fact, maximum speeds would only be approached in the event of launching an ASAT or long range anti-shipping missile. Considering I've got an area greater than that of australia in which to footle around in, I can't see any problem with using half the country as deceleration room.

So you're going to do two laps then? One to get safely up to Mach 14 and then one to get down to landing speed again? I have one question for you, call it a math problem: (10 points) "At what point during your first lap does the interceptor doing Mach 8 crash into the ground out of aviation fuel?" (3 point bonus) "At what airspeed does the force of wind snap the unfortunate ejected pilot's neck?"
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| July 25, 2011, 8:53 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

The war is not over until the last bullet fired is the bullet pierces the heart if Dixie, and ends her legacy forever. My dear friends, the South has risen again and, oh, it will take much more than your petty invasion force to drive her down.
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| July 25, 2011, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
planes going Mach 14 without some scifi dampening pod means your pilots die. Period.


What if they spend 4 hours accelerating?

/trollface

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| July 25, 2011, 11:41 pm
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Quoting Will G.
The war is not over until the last bullet fired is the bullet pierces the heart if Dixie, and ends her legacy forever. My dear friends, the South has risen again and, oh, it will take much more than your petty invasion force to drive her down.


Yet the "South" also encompasses the "North" and all of the "South" is in the Northern Hemisphere :P
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| July 26, 2011, 1:13 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
So you're going to do two laps then? One to get safely up to Mach 14 and then one to get down to landing speed again? I have one question for you, call it a math problem: (10 points) "At what point during your first lap does the interceptor doing Mach 8 crash into the ground out of aviation fuel?" (3 point bonus) "At what airspeed does the force of wind snap the unfortunate ejected pilot's neck?"

1: it doesn't. SCRAMjets are extremely efficient, and even then, a lot of the internal space is taken up by fuel.
2: it doesn't. No ejection seat.

Quoting Evan Melick
There's also the fact that your interceptor is pretty much only a rocket. The wings and fuselage are stubby, will be quite inefficient in any sort of anything outside blowing it's fuel in one giant burst. I'm sure Erik can speak with more knowledge on the subject (along with this thermobaric shenanigans), but no mater what you do it, planes going Mach 14 without some scifi dampening pod means your pilots die. Period.

According to Ford, it's aerodynamically sound.
I also like the way nobody's thought of the little fact that with a craft like this, the pilot can pretty much choose his speed for the situation; current plans involve slowly loitering at about mach 4, and throttling up to mach 6-8 for interceptions. Going much higher than that involves intentionally disabling a number of safeguards, and would probably cause the craft's engines to eat themselves fairly quickly. It's not made for superuber escape-velocity airspeeds, just for being faster than everyone else's missiles and quick enough to travel from its patrol area into range of detected enemy aircraft within about 15 minutes.
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| July 26, 2011, 7:18 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
1: it doesn't. SCRAMjets are extremely efficient, and even then, a lot of the internal space is taken up by fuel.
2: it doesn't. No ejection seat.

You have to get up to speed, good sir, before you can light up those scramjets. You've got three engines? Ever try lighting a match in a hurricane? That's what a scramjet is like. It's a supplemental engine, not a main-line one.

Quoting Areetsa C
According to Ford, it's aerodynamically sound.

There are some hot rods that are very aerodynamically sound, doesn't make 'em fly. Your aircraft there could never get off the ground due to its miniscule wingspan. It would require a launch vehicle like the Bell-X did in the 50s.
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| July 26, 2011, 11:27 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
There are some hot rods that are very aerodynamically sound, doesn't make 'em fly. Your aircraft there could never get off the ground due to its miniscule wingspan. It would require a launch vehicle like the Bell-X did in the 50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northrop_F-5E_(Tail_No._01557)_061006-F-1234S-073.jpg

Quoting Evan Melick
Getting to Mach 4 requires blowing full afterburner. And as of now, that's way, way to fast for Gen 5 airplanes. Not only is your plane small, and not capable of carrying anywhere enough fuel to stay in the air long at all, let alone afterburn to Mach 4, or even dream of doing anything coming close to Mach 6-8, or 14. There's also this thing called lift, required to get your craft airborne, something that you won't have much of, due to your incredibly small wingspan.

It's not small; it's bigger than some fighters.

As for the engines, they act as ramjets at low speed, which they're accelerated to by a set of reloadable solid fuel rockets.
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| July 27, 2011, 12:24 am
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So, while y'all debate about SCRAMjets and fuel loads, and wait for the CR's on the war, anyone interested in an 1882 version of this group? There's 8 of us already. >.>

http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/17874

Just shameless promoting here, this ain't not replacement. I know y'all are much more interested in a world with tanks and planes than without.

Today in China:
-We need to send in our orders.
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| July 27, 2011, 1:38 am
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Quick update- the ADATS variant of the Airborne Combat Vehicle has begun to come out of the factories and our paratroopers are beginning to receive them. A variant of the type (whose official designation is yet to be determined) has already been designed to serve as an Armored Gun System role.

Pics of both after Brickfair- I'm trying to keep it a surprise for the people going there.

Also we are waiting for the CR with greatest interest.
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| July 27, 2011, 2:07 am
In the SC...

With the threat of war coming much closer to becomig a reality, military production has increased and the civilian market and economy has taken quite a hit, but it has predicted that the economy shall recover.

The Southern Navy has acquired a few new- and highly advanced- technology. This will be revealed completely in a week or so once the order has been fully finished.
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| July 27, 2011, 1:32 pm
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Today, in the USNA...

The President now has some solid evidence that the PCU did indeed occupy the DMZ after they said they didn't (if all the intel wasn't enough): The RCA troops were stopped by PCU forces well inside of it by soldiers in well-prepared positions. If the enemy had occupied it in haste, they wouldn't have those nicely prepared positions, would they? Thought not, just goes to show our point and the untrustworthy nature of our enemies.

Anyhow, the Texans have put a likeness of the EC President in a tall tree in Houston in a city-wide 'Hawk' demonstration just after the last soldier killed aboard the USS Dallas* (nearly stricken in the Gulf incident) was laid to rest, having died of his wounds only three days ago after putting up a heroic struggle.

A 6th B-4 Overlord has taken flight and transferred to SAC sqn no. 5. It is the second in its squadron, awaiting two more before becoming operational.

Production on all types continues, 90 more M90s, 10 more F-40s, 90 M77s, and 2 more B-3s.

*The USS Dallas's homeport was in New England, so I do have her.
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| July 28, 2011, 11:17 am
I am going to be gone till august 15 or 16. I have to go kansas for baseball.
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| July 28, 2011, 5:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, in the USNA...

The President now has some solid evidence that the PCU did indeed occupy the DMZ after they said they didn't (if all the intel wasn't enough): The RCA troops were stopped by PCU forces well inside of it by soldiers in well-prepared positions. If the enemy had occupied it in haste, they wouldn't have those nicely prepared positions, would they? Thought not, just goes to show our point and the untrustworthy nature of our enemies.

Whatever, Ultra. I did not plan on doing so, and didn't do so, and that's the truth. Whatever you our your friends think otherwise is to the contrary. In my eyes, this is settled.
You also don't have any reason to call US untrustworthy either.
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| July 29, 2011, 2:31 pm
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I say you're both pretty untrustworthy, from each of your viewpoints.

Less QQ, more pew pew, as the Warcraft saying goes.
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| July 29, 2011, 4:43 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Whatever, Ultra. I did not plan on doing so, and didn't do so, and that's the truth. Whatever you our your friends think otherwise is to the contrary. In my eyes, this is settled.
You also don't have any reason to call US untrustworthy either.

Huh, "Didn't do so", eh? Then how do you explain this:
"...[RCA] managed to gain roughly twenty-five miles before the geography started working against them as local PCU forces began to set up explosive traps and launch ATGMs from secured positions."

"Secured positions" meaning you didn't occupy it at the spur of the moment. If you weren't there, I ought to have been able to advance 45+ miles.

So, like I said before, proof positive that you got your hand caught in the cookie jar. Hurts your fingers, doesn't it?
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| July 29, 2011, 8:49 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Secured Position =/= Bunker full of soldiers.

I won't declassify my orders due to them housing many things I plan on continuing in future wars with the Union, but I didn't set up bunkers in the Mexican DMZ, nor did I have troops in the DMZ. But tell me, Ultramarine, if you saw Mexican troops running into your DMZ, would you not rush forward as well and hold onto as much DMZ as possible to deny their advance? That is what I did.

I had the element of surprise, supposedly, but you made it further into that DMZ than I did during the same time. The same terrain would have inhibited your advance as well, slowing you down. Furthermore, you had time to set traps in the way of my men. Setting traps takes time, and CAS would have spotted developments.

So, you got in further, had time to set traps and get out of the area, and then set up and start blasting at the sky?

Ideally, if what you're saying is true, we should have hit each other in what would be akin to a standing fight with neither one of us being able to get up defenses, set traps, or anything. The timeline doesn't jive.

I'm inclined to believe that you 'forgot' about the existence of the DMZ, submitted your orders which included your characteristic defense of anything taller than a fencepost, and (like attacking three people uninvolved in this war) opted not to change them even after you knew that the occupation would cause a war (as well as starting war with 3 other nations by preemptively attacking them) and instead just say "Nuh-uh!".

But, I digress. No matter how much proof there is, you'll just call me names and deny it.

Oh, and there is a penalty involved for double-posting (deleting both of them), and I'm enforcing it. Nothing "BIASEDEDEDED!" about it.
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| July 29, 2011, 11:41 pm
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Jeez Ultra, way to delete the comments... I considered doing so for the double posts but really.
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| July 30, 2011, 12:14 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .


I really don't see why you're continuing to make this point. All you and Nick do is bounce this back and forth. If you are older as you say, then do the mature thing and just let it go. The war has begun, this doesn't matter, leave it alone. I'm getting tired of seeing this time and again, as are the rest of us, I'm willing to wager.
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| July 30, 2011, 12:25 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Mhm. Looks like I misunderstood the call for more activity as being 'all-inclusive'. My bad.
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| July 30, 2011, 1:19 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Mhm. Looks like I misunderstood the call for more activity as being 'all-inclusive'. My bad.


Activity is good, but can it at least be activity that doesn't drive everyone else to drink?
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| July 30, 2011, 12:58 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Activity is good, but can it at least be activity that doesn't drive everyone else to drink?

Well, it is rather hard since pretty much any post Nick makes is a stab at me. Seems when someone is totally unwilling to accept any responsibility for his actions and throw it all on me (while still saying that it takes "Two to tango"), something inside me just wants to correct that. Call it a weakness.

Please Check FM, btw.
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| July 30, 2011, 3:06 pm
OAAE's hidden wing has been contracted to produce the UMAD-1.
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| July 30, 2011, 3:21 pm
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Ohai guiz, I'm back from fighting off a scrawny Evan Melick. Nah, but srs, I've been chilling with family in the western half of SC for the most part of this week with weak Internet, so of course I wasn't going to be bothered with trying to connect to MP's uber slow servers. Anyhow, the Euro CRs [I got two sets of orders from Andrew, so I'm assuming there shall be two] will be up in the next two days and the American one should follow. Sorry for the un-productiveness, y'all. I've been looking for a woman with the right allocations who's fast and thorough and sharp as a tack who tours the facilities and picks up slack, but to no avail unfortunately. Danke for your patience thus far.
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| July 30, 2011, 9:45 pm
In all honesty, I couldn't care less about the war now. It's been so long since the first one, so I actually don't want a CR released. It'd take time off of my TF2 playing, which is whenever I'm not busy doing things. >.>
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| July 31, 2011, 10:04 am
Are we abandoning this group and going to the 1882 group, or are both groups still going strong?
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| August 1, 2011, 12:28 pm
Quoting Matt P
Are we abandoning this group..

We'd better not be. >.>
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| August 1, 2011, 1:28 pm
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Quoting Matt P
Are we abandoning this group and going to the 1882 group, or are both groups still going strong?


Both are going strong, me and Ham over there aren't out to replace this one. However, we did feel the need for a change in pace and setting, so that's why that group came up.

All of us here are just waiting for our combat report.
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| August 1, 2011, 1:57 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Both are going strong, me and Ham over there aren't out to replace this one. However, we did feel the need for a change in pace and setting, so that's why that group came up.

All of us here are just waiting for our combat report.

Ok, sounds good. I'd like to keep on with this group anyway. You or Ham mind lettin' me in to the 1882 group?
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| August 1, 2011, 2:01 pm
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Quoting Matt P
Ok, sounds good. I'd like to keep on with this group anyway. You or Ham mind lettin' me in to the 1882 group?


I did the last night, apparently you didn't notice.

In China today:
-We wait.
-We build.
-We toast toast.
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| August 1, 2011, 2:30 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I did the last night, apparently you didn't notice.

Hmm, thats peculiar. Because it said I wasn't in the group today, but I applied for membership anyway.
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| August 1, 2011, 2:39 pm
Quoting Connor Nandell (Arcancilia at War)

No, you do not need a CM; however, if someone were to intervene in the side of your opponents, then you will need a CM.
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| August 1, 2011, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Connor Nandell (Arcancilia at War)
Imperial Argentine Empire


The Redundancy Department of Redundancy approves.
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| August 1, 2011, 8:40 pm
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Euro CR Fourteen July

Azores
Toned-down ICBMs from an unknown location were able to eliminate every Iberian [both on the mainland and its overseas territories] military air stations still deemed operational after the initial strikes in the first CR, save for two in Morocco. Some four dry-docks in the north-west corner of Spain were also neutralized, but may become operational again after a week’s repairs. Quickly after the ICBM touch-downs and the loss of Iberian air power from Lajes, Baltic birds began eliminating AAA and radar equipment amongst the Azores with great success in neutralizing three-quarters of the immobile installations. However, mobile equipment [SAMs, radar, etc.] managed to scramble and reset their positions for optimized defense and eliminated six AR-13As before having to again scramble and hide. The Baltic birds were further contested as 12 F-44s [dunno what plane that is, but kay] scrambled before the ICBM hits pursued the AR-13s from performing their wild weasel role further; only one F-44 was lost during the pursuit and two AR-13s took minute to critical damage. The minimal losses were due to a squadron of Sparvs coming in from above and spooking the Iberians to fall back and tactically think about what they could do with their dwindling fuel.

Anyhow, after the weasels wreaked havoc, a controlled Baltic paradrop commenced on São Miguel Island [I’m assuming this is the “main island” dictated] with 500 pairs of boots touching ground. Initial casualties were minimal with only eight boys being neutralized by an Iberian probe, but soon things took a turn for the worst as only ten of the fifty-six promised Wiesel IIs were able to land after the mobile SAMs popped up and began firing at the Baltic birds dropping the vehicles. However, the troops pressed on and managed to capture the international air port with roughly forty total casualties and the loss of two landed Wiesel IIs; allied transport planes were soon cleared to land at the base, but the air contest still made it too dangerous for many of the cumbersome birds to land. A large maritime/amphibious landing also began at this time with seven thousand mechanized and armoured Baltic marines heading for São Miguel. Defensive fortifications by the Iberians along the coastlines managed to force the first wave of marines back to the water, but the incoming ferries of more troops and equipment eventually created a beachhead large enough for the Baltic troops to cling onto for future presses into the heart of the island where they’re to link up with the airborne boots and heliborne marines that are in and around the airport. Losses at this time are unknown, but it has been noted that three Baltic helicopters were confirmed to be shot down and several amphibious tanks and other assorted vehicles remain immobile on the beaches. A similar, but smaller amphib. assault occurred on the two other largest islands consisting of four thousand troops each with accompanying armour and mechanized kits. Terceira offered the most resistance and only five hundred marines have been able to touch the island; most of them being heliborne. Although the military air base has been eliminated, the Iberians have made many fortifications to the island which has severely reduced the enemy’s ability to maneuver offensive forces. Large volumes of ship-based munitions have been fired to soften up the coastline, but the Iberians remain true to fighting tooth and nail. The other island has offered the same progress as São Miguel; minimal to medium engagements with Baltic marines being able to touch base quickly.

In coordination with coalition reconnaissance and Baltic efforts, the Byzantine Red Fleet was able to locate the rest of the Iberian Navy stationed to protect the Azores. Utilizing long-range munitions fired in barrages, they were able to kill everything except the Iberian subs still at large after nearly seven hours of sustained maneuvering and engagement. The Byzantine Navy lost two picket vessels due the Iberians firing in retaliation. Both Iberian and Byzantine crews who were forced to abandon ship were recovered by a mixture of civilian vessels and European Coalition support craft; very few men were actually lost thanks to the steady progress of ship armor research. At any rate, the focus now is finding and eliminating the Iberian subs wherever they may be.


Iberian Peninsula
Dutch troops in Bilboa [this objective was neglected in the last CR] have officially removed the city from Spanish hands and have continued to press the latter from the area completely with CAS and artillery fire that have pretty much killed any direct Iberian will to recapture the city. Instead, they have fallen back closer to more hilly terrain to establish a stop-gap defense against any further coalition pushes into the area; they’re well disguised from above due to thick use of camouflage netting and such, so it may be a little hectic trying to pinpoint them later on from more direct means on the ground. The German objective of Barcelona was also captured [another neglected objective] due to the Byzantines offering great air support and such over the area. Many POWs have been taken as Iberian forces tend to retreat further southwest in hopes of maintaining ground in geographically difficult areas. With all that said, many compact Iberian units are left in the Pyrenees as they failed to evacuate in time or due to extreme bravery of their command. Many of the incoming logistical units for the Baltic troops have taken severe losses due to hidden explosives and many ambushes. Coalition recon in the area remains strong, but the Spanish have the home field advantage of knowledgeable navigation which pretty much negates said aerial recon.

In the south, French UAVs, some one thousand of them, attempted to essentially level the city of Ronda, Spain. Unfortunately, the Iberians were well equipped with MANPADS and other manual AAA, so some sixty drones were downed. French command thought it better to lessen the inevitable monetary and equipment losses and pretty much scrapped the attack. Rather, some thirty drones were kept to loiter and designate targets for French vessels at sea. Similar attacks were designated for Jaen and Cordobo, but nearly congruent losses were sustained and further flights were grounded. The sheer fact that so many birds were in the air made it extremely hard for air control to navigate each UAV, so the Top Brass has hitherto recommended that such strikes never be attempted again unless they offer a plethora of military targets rather than civvies being shot at from above. Great international backlash has also occurred due to the French being extremely bold as to level whole cities when unarmed and unrelated persons are still in the area. In addition, the ground based landings and attacks on the aforementioned cities were unable to occur due to intelligence suggesting the casualties would be too much to bear at this time.

As opposed the lack of success in the south, the French forces landing at Girona met little resistance as the German sweep to Barcelona reduced immediate Iberian response strength. Pocketed Spanish platoons have still managed to put nearly two hundred French troops down compared to only sixty Spanish losses. Presently, the French are heading to link up with the Germans as the former are greatly behind schedule. French air strikes have also struck the city of Lleida, but MANPADS and other AAA systems have kept any further attempts on eliminating kit in the city away. Two French intelligence agents were also found and shot upon sight as they attempted to gain defensive insight from the Spanish in Madrid; no results were yielded by the agents.

Alas, Byzantine Marines touched down Mallorca with ease as they were able to maintain air dominance and eliminate targets across the island via sea. A tactical insert into the city of Palma via heliborne forces essentially caught stationed Iberian troops off-guard and resistance is now pocketed to geographically challenging areas. Snipers and marksmen are having a field day picking off Byzantine patrols with great success as nearly forty casualties have been reported by the marines; UAV recon have been unable to locate the shooters at this time.


Africa
Coalition intel has it that three foreign divisions have landed in Morocco just before the ICBM strikes. Plane markings suggest Pacific and Senegalese origin; present unit numbers are unknown at this time. Other foreign attack craft have also been seen flying into the area, but their direct landing sites are unknown as well.

It has also been noted that Egyptian forces have mobilized in Algeria upon consent of the latter to help protect against foreign invaders. Algiers seems to have little malice against the Egyptian forces, but the citizens elsewhere feel otherwise. Some have even taken to throwing stones at the alleged peacekeepers/defenders and the local police forces have been looking the other way. The foreign troops can only take so much abuse before their blood boils, so we’ll see how things develop.

Finally, the Namibian government has reported that a foreign AC-130 penetrated their air space during the dead of night. However, the bird soon fled in the direction of Angola after no shots were fired. The bird's nationality is unknown
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| August 1, 2011, 9:00 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
Glad someone else noticed lol.


Lol and it was a double-post haha.

So, for other Australian news, not much has been happening 'round our parts. We still aren't sure whose side we're on though. We're pretty torn between both sides. Who knows? Maybe a vote? Maybe a civil war? Maybe we'll just have to wait and see? Maybe we'll just have to watch Michael Bolton hold up a box of chocolates?
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| August 2, 2011, 12:20 am
We are informing the Nambian Government and the UNC that it was obviously the PCU that attempted the attack because it is the only nation that consistently uses AC-130s in attack.

We are also announcing a policy that if you aid my enemy, then you are my enemy. So for now we wait on the aggressive and imperialistic Senegalese forces to withdraw. Otherwise a state of war exists between us and them. For now we only glare at Angola and continue to remain vigilant for incursions into our airspace and waters.
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| August 2, 2011, 9:31 am
Today, in the Union:

The UMAD-1, a mobile gun system from OAAE, has entered production, with the first five having been delivered to the Army.

Union Officials have invited Spain to join the Two Airfield Club.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

Quoting henry wang
We are informing the Nambian Government and the UNC that it was obviously the PCU that attempted the attack because it is the only nation that consistently uses AC-130s in attack.

We actually didn't do anything this time. Ask Erik, I didn't send in any orders for Africa.
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| August 2, 2011, 10:24 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton

"Plane markings suggest Pacific and Senegalese origin"
Well why is it that your puppet and yourself are moving into Spanish territory? Then shortly after that an ally is attacked with your signature move. Am I to believe you? No, I am in no position to believe you from this irrefutable evidence. Now if you and your puppet continue to act in an aggressive and hostile manner towards myself and my allies, then a state of war exists between our two nations.
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| August 2, 2011, 11:14 pm
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I dunno if this breaks my CM code or not, but I can confirm it wasn't Nick. Also, don't take that AC-130 bit to heart quite just yet. It seems there was a mix up, so I'll have re-write shortly.
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| August 2, 2011, 11:22 pm
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Today, in the USNA...

The 9,000 enlistees from the former PCU lands have finally (and belatedly) finished their training and are being called into active duty effective immediately. They are to form the 1st Grenadiers Army of the USNA. A rather elite force trained in the most efficient ways of knocking out armor, bunkers, and all manner of fortifications. Instead of serving in a conglomerate group, they will be distributed in groups of 100 men to a regiment to form special assault squads to be called on for special missions.

Situations are heating up globally. We can only throw our moral support behind certain nations, mainly the coalition. We'd like to know who was throwing around ballistic missiles without telling us first, not that you need our permission, but since we've got a BMD satellite in orbit for your protection, it would have been nice to know, lol.

Another 60 M90s, 70 M77s, 10 F-40s, and 2 A/B-3s have come off the lines. The B-4 program has reached a total order of 20. Only 5 have taken wing, but the project goes on.

Construction on the super carrier goes on, in its classified location. It is nearing completion at 75%. Also, the 6th Iron-works nuclear submarine has put out to sea from Guatemala. It is the USS Anneal.
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| August 3, 2011, 1:30 am
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At this time Cuban forces have Rendez-vous'd with my own so-called "Arsenal of Democracy" (coined by Henry) for a weekend deployment to Brickfair.

In in-game news, more of our own Type-4s are slowly coming off the line.

A batch of new build C5A1s has been received by the Ground Force, totaling 50 in number. These are the first new build units to feature a new electronics suite.

As always, the JAS-43 Sparv is among our top priorities right now, and as such, even even more Gripen units are being converted at this time.

The PM denounces the attempted use of a certain PMC over Nambian airspace. It almost seems that they were looking for a fabled, non existent base or something like that...
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| August 3, 2011, 9:45 am
The RAS would like to make a few announcements:

We have no affiliation with the Axis, I have talked and traded with them before, but never done anything for them. I hope the hydras will help me to have a relationship with other countries.

we did not send the AC-130, I was gone last time the orders were due. I did not ask someone to send it. ever since tom took namibia, I've been WAY too scared to go down there.
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| August 3, 2011, 2:10 pm
In the SC...

MOCpages is being evil.

In other news, the Secretary to the Navy has announced the completion of eight Ohio Class Subs and 10 Virginia Class Subs. This has been accomplished after nearly two months of constant work, and the usage of every shipyard possible.

The Department of Defense has announced that the AT-7 ATGM system has officially been distributed on the Platoon level to each service (excluding the Navy.) It has been adapted to be Air and Tank-launchable, all while retaining it's extremely powerful 90 degree attack capabilities, used and tested successfully with an 88% kill ratio against the heavily armored HAT-1.
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| August 3, 2011, 2:23 pm
I won't be here from today until the 16th.
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| August 4, 2011, 9:04 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Alright then, they'll begin their journey to ye tonight. Be warned though, if any of my exported technology is used against me or my allies, or in support of the Axis, I will be...perturbed. >.>

Also, as usual with most export stuff, some of the more sensitive stuff, such as sensors, the HADES air defense system, etc have been removed and replaced with export-rated models.

Hope they serve ya well, and thanks for the purchase.

thank you so much for the ship, my navy is now that much less wimpy.

IRL: I cannot wait to see you and the others at brickfair tomorrow. I'm kinda worried about how I'm gonna fit a three foot build onto a 1 1/2 foot car seat though. See you there!

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| August 4, 2011, 9:31 am
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Today, in the USNA...

The President of the USNA released a statement, from a classified location for security reasons, a statement that would have been released in the first part of July had the CR come out sooner...

"The USNA will soon be in a war that was sadly inevitable. We have done nothing to precipitate this fight; we sought a course of peace with our neighbors, even those that took so much from us in their betrayal. They did not do so. From the beginning of our fledgling union, they sought to tear us apart. They aided and abetted our enemies, they refused to recognize our union, they actively sought to kill our young men and endanger our allies."
"Let there be no doubt that they threw the first blow either. We did nothing to them but exist. One of them, we counted as a brother who suffered the same as we did at the hands of the one they now call 'friend'. The other, has seemed by destiny to be our enemy."
"To the families in Texas; your cries have been heard. The bombers that littered your streets have been destroyed on the runways. To those families that lost your young men aboard the Dallas, our sincerest condolences, your losses will be avenged. To those that lost your young men as pilots on the Western Front, you too will be avenged, very soon."
"News from the fronts; we are advancing on all of them, successfully. Our faith is in the great minds of the War Department. As of this afternoon, the PCUAF has relatively ceased to exist. What is left of it, won't be able to defend much except themselves, if that. The ECAF is also reduced greatly, and will be completely gone before long as well. For the limited gains made by the PCU in the state of Washington, we applaud the brave men, but there will be no turning back now. Your protection by air is gone, your commanders have abandoned you. Give up now."
"Our fleet in Hawaii was hit, and we mourn the losses there. However, our allies the Southern Confederation have, through treaty, secured the sovereignty of Hawaiian air space. To our citizens there, you are safe. You need not fear your old nemesis, the PCU anymore."
"To our one-time brothers in the EC. You will soon regret the decision you have made, we will make sure of that. Like two brothers fighting each other, we will show you no mercy. You've asked for it, and we're delivering threefold."
"Good day, citizens of the USNA, and Godspeed."

So, apparently if it's in a statement from a government official, then it's not flamewar material? We'll see.
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| August 7, 2011, 10:30 pm
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Operation: Brickfair is complete at this time. It was one heck of a ride.

Also, on a similar note, the so-called "Eurobomber" is undergoing final tweaks :) It shall be a high altitude, high efficiency design designed for strategic strikes. And its in microscale.
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| August 7, 2011, 10:48 pm
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China turns a suspicious eye to the Eurobomber. New AA defenses are being brought online soon, and we shall have our patrols be more vigilant than ever.

Meanwhile, we're all waiting on Erik to post something. How many days ago did he say it would be up soon?
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| August 8, 2011, 4:38 am
I have recently returned from brick fair, IT WAS FANTASTIC! I thouroyghly enjoyed meeting Evan and Matt, but I missed Brian.
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| August 8, 2011, 10:04 am
I'm sorry, but the pages being down for me these past 2 weeks have made me realize how little I care anymore about this group. Considering leaving, I don't want to make any effort to it.
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| August 10, 2011, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
I'm sorry, but the pages being down for me these past 2 weeks have made me realize how little I care anymore about this group. Considering leaving, I don't want to make any effort to it.


Then we will enjoy comp-stomping your former country. You want to leave? You are welcome to leave at any time, this is not a prison (cue you saying "yes it is").
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| August 10, 2011, 11:18 pm
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Today, in the USNA...

Well, not much to say now, just waiting for the CR. Lots of production orders to update here. 250 M90s, 300 M77s, 40 F-40s, and 5 A/B-3s. Wow. I'm thinking our super carrier is nearing completion. I'll have to check on my 2 Brigand-class heavy cruisers too.

@Nick's comment in the wrong thread:
I'm thinking Brian will have some stern words and bad intentions for you...

EDIT:
So, the USS Picaroon and Privateer took to the seas in Houston and Corpus Christi. They join their sisters the Brigand, Buccaneer, and Marauder.
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| August 10, 2011, 11:28 pm
Today in the RAS...

Last night, thousands of RAS soldiers blitzed the border of the DRC. An amphibious assault on the strip of land connecting cabindina and main Angola. An airbourne assault dropped 5,000 troops in major cities along the border. The invasion was a complete success with minimal losses and major land grabbage. We will keep you updated.
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| August 11, 2011, 12:19 pm
The PM is intending to tour the world beginning on Sunday; so on Sunday command of the Commonwealth will be handed over to Matt. While some remote territories will be handled by others.

In other news the Cavalier LAFV designing has been completed along with a MGS variant. For now they will only be given to the marines for amphibious purposes and new light mechanized brigades. The designs will be revealed once MP starts to work well again.
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| August 11, 2011, 8:23 pm
I have stopped by to inform you all that I have survived my first week of two-a-days. For those of you with no idea what I am talking about, it's basically two football (American) practices with an hour break in between. You have to be there at 6:30 a.m. and you spend five and a half hours in pads under the blazing Texas sun.

It appears I haven't missed much.
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| August 12, 2011, 1:08 pm
/insert complaint about the lack of CR
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| August 12, 2011, 6:57 pm
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Design of our latest aircraft (announced before the completion of the Sparv) has finally made a great deal of progress, with design nearly 50% complete within the past few days. The programme, initially known by its study title of Ground Attack, Experimental (GAX) has been formally retitled CA-153. The aircraft will be, as the title suggests, both a premier ground attack aircraft, and low level strike bomber.
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| August 12, 2011, 9:15 pm
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Today, in the USNA...

Stuff is still happening. Can't say too much though.

The massive undertaking in Canada is complete, and our efforts will soon be fulfilled in gloriousness! That's not a word...huh. Oh well. It's nonetheless true.
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| August 12, 2011, 9:52 pm
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British Columbia
-Alaskan retaliation from the air; Dease Lake being the target. F-1s fitted with air-to-air munitions and air-to-ground munitions eliminated all PCU forces there with no losses due to subsonic travel and the dispersion of Union forces in the large area.
-Alaskan troops were later airlifted to the area without incident. Air coverage by the Alaskans still remains prevalent and any PCU ploy to regain this ground is deemed unadvisable.
-The USNA has carpet bombed the forward areas of their advancing ground mobilization leading a vast gain in mileage. However, this immediate gain will quickly halted by PCU troops using guerilla tactics to create casualties requiring immediate medical attention; many USNA troops had to leave the front to withdraw the wounded.
-To counter the little war tactics, USNA air patrols have been loitering about to pick up thermal images for further persecution by napalm. This has caused psychological deterioration amongst some the younger Union soldiers leaving in unofficial rumors of desertion.
-Both sides have been shelling each other and making good use of CAS flights. Hidden PCU fortifications in the mountains have managed to save some boys which poke about and designate nearby USNA targets; however, many of these men have fallen victim to hidden USNA snipers while a majority of the actual USNA troops and equipment fall out of the range of the tactical lasers.
-USNA CAS flights have been bombing the p-ss out of any infrastructure leading to the mountains. Although the immediate effects of these efforts are unfelt by the PCU held up in the mountains hoping for the best, the long term may be more brutal. PCU troops knowing they may fall out of the supply line may continue to psychologically degenerate.
-All-in-all, some fifty more miles have been handed over to the USNA with the promise of large gains if their regional strategy works.

USNA/PCU American Border:
-It must be noted that the USNA again fired several more ballistic missile barrages. This has completely eliminated all operational airports and such in both the PCU and EC. However, the PCU continues to get at least some of the smaller air stations up to sketchy standards so at least a few birds can take off without tearing the plane up.
-A double envelopment maneuver has been organized by the USNA and has been put in effect near the PCU’s defensive staging area in Idaho. PCU troops were unable to counter-maneuver due to thick artillery barrages requiring Union troops to keep their heads down. Thick CAS by the USNA has also put a still on PCU movements to counter the envelopment; three OV-11s and two AH-12s were downed by general flak and other AA. One pilot has been captured by a PCU probe; all others were retrieved by the USNA.
-For the most part, the rest of the PCU remains in the Cascades after mediocre defensive positions were constructed. They’re spread out in various patterns to ward off against high casualty rates from single losses, especially by the omnipresent M91 ballistic missile launcher. They’ve actually seen little action other than being fired at by far-off artillery granted the USNA general order is avoid urban and mountainous engagement scenarios.
-A specialized flight attempting to breach USNA airspace and neutralize the USNA sat. command installation was made by PCU pilots. However, the sheer volume of air patrols, radars, and SAMs quickly downed all but three birds which ditched in EC territory. Although the flight was made by stealth craft, their supersonic plumes gave them away to thermal scans.

SoCal et Mexico:
-A push along the eastern Mexican coast has been making steady pace by the treads, wheels, and feet of the USNA and her Latin American states.
-Closer to the SoCal region, probes are attempting to contest the PCU defenders and such with little success due to the Union troops shifting around like ants and hurting the possibilities of any decisive push by the USNA.
-M91s deployed at Imperial Beach and managed to score a hit on one of the American-class vessels supporting the PCU Marines. However, things became a bit heated and the vehicles had to pull out.

Pacific:
-Pretty much everyone is turtle up while mobilizing air reconnaissance to find the others fleet and weak points. No one has yet engaged the other as storms are brewing about many of the scouting birds had to be decked/grounded/whatever the seaborne term is and ship visibility remains sketchy.

ECU/USNA
-In OK, artillery fire is heard and seen all over with neither side clearly making any progress on decisively knocking the other out of the fight. However, the USNA has put quite a number of pieces into hasty fortifications leaving more shells going out than coming in. USNA flights are also present and have kept the EC counter offensives at bay.
-Near the Great Lakes, the earlier offloaded USNA troops have managed to quash the resistance and link up with the boys pushing through Wisconsin. The EC counters had to withdraw after the USNA quickly the skies in the area and took out many arty and logistical support vehicles.

M-th-rf--king Space:
-USNA satellite is chasing now Chinese sats. Two of the latter have been downed and have re-entered the atmosphere landing somewhere in the Pacific. Islanders aren’t too happy about the debris tap-dancing on their roof tops.

Complaints/issues should be forwarded to me via FM again. I'll fix it tomorrow when I do up the Euro CR. Hold off on next CR orders for the moment, pl0x.

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| August 12, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Dear Gawd son.

Play a real sport, like track or soccer. :P

Don't judge football because you don't like 'Merican culture. GTFO, son.
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| August 12, 2011, 10:39 pm
Quoting Will G.

They're called doubles where I'm from, and from what I hear those along with 7 day practices will take a toll on you.
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| August 12, 2011, 11:21 pm
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YAAAAAHHHHOOOO!!!!!

Sorry, I just had to.
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| August 13, 2011, 12:18 am
Yay im back and things seem really bleak here... >.<

Still, lotsa things still happening in south east asia....
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| August 13, 2011, 3:12 am
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Oh, and we're officially offering our full assistance to the French to aid in their efforts to reclaim/recover their embattled frigates (though we wonder why they were there and how they gave up so easily in the first place). Airfields, marines, or anything else you need, brother, it's yours!

Also, if you want us to save your honor in another way, we are more than capable of executing more...drastic...measures.
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| August 13, 2011, 11:55 am
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Quoting |Brîan| C
/ is confused

What did I miss?

Quoting Nick (from International Trading Board II): "The Union Navy has recently pressed fifteen Lafayette-class frigates from France into service with the Atlantic Fleet."

He has apparently thrown the gauntlet...
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| August 13, 2011, 6:00 pm
Eh, expected losses.


Quoting Ultramarine .

I actually bought those frigates, maaaaan.


Quoting Dr. Spontaneous

I'm not happy, Bob. I'M NOT. HAPPY.

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| August 13, 2011, 6:28 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I actually bought those frigates, maaaaan.

Then why did you 'press' them into service? That usually indicates something that wasn't to the owners wishes...

How long ago did you buy them?
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| August 13, 2011, 6:40 pm
Tomorrow there will be a changing of the guard, and Matt will be the leader of the Commonwealth until the current PM returns.

Currently production continues for all branches of the armed services. Due to the failure of MPs we cannot reveal the vehicle until early September.
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| August 13, 2011, 7:08 pm
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So, like . . . Like I totally lost the Euro CR because . . . Like I'm a dumbarse and either didn't save it or I saved in some random folder or some dumbarsery of similar nature. I mean, the orders [the second batch sent to me by Andrew] used for it were old as dirt by now anyhow and I'm sure you all forgot what you sent to me. So, you can either write new ones [which I advise] or if you have the old ones you sent, you can just forward them to me via FM. Sorry for being such a derp gaiz; big f--k up on my part and y'all get to suffer for it. Yay!
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| August 14, 2011, 12:52 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Then why did you 'press' them into service? That usually indicates something that wasn't to the owners wishes...

How long ago did you buy them?

Back when we were still at war, like, the first time.
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| August 14, 2011, 12:55 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Back when we were still at war, like, the first time.

So he sold you all but EIGHT of his navy's frigates? That's quite the leap of faith for him. However, why on earth were they interred at Newport News (until very recently John D's territory) instead of your own territory? And why are you just now inducting them instead of when you got them in the first place?

Highly suspect, something is rotten in Portland... (or what's left of it after Will was finished with it)
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| August 14, 2011, 1:21 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
So he sold you all but EIGHT of his navy's frigates? That's quite the leap of faith for him. However, why on earth were they interred at Newport News (until very recently John D's territory) instead of your own territory? And why are you just now inducting them instead of when you got them in the first place?

Highly suspect, something is rotten in Portland... (or what's left of it after Will was finished with it)

1.

Because I just recently remembered them, and knew if I just sent them off to battle that you'd be mad. but you're still mad. &#3232;_&#3232;

2.

&#3232;_&#3232;

Quoting Evan Melick

It's basically the same war. Us on the Axis knew Ultra wasn't going to hold to peace (some say he won't rest until he's avenged something or other).
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| August 14, 2011, 1:34 am
Quoting |Brîan| C

I SOLD YOU NO FRIGATES!!!

EDIT: I manufactured ten of them in March for him, but, he didn't get this second batch from me >.>

*ten frigates.
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| August 14, 2011, 2:43 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Highly suspect, something is rotten in Portland... (or what's left of it after Will was finished with it)


All that's left of Portland is fields right now, it's undergoing... renovation.

By the way, smooth move burning down forests. You're destroying the main economy and regional pride, that's not gonna go over well with the people you're "liberating." Not at all.
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| August 14, 2011, 2:48 pm
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@Nick: I'd say sooooo many things right now, but I'd only be repeating what's already been said sooooo many times. Oy.

Basically it boils down to the fact that I'm not safe from your continuous attacks, or future combatants whose forces you might support and harbor, until you are no more. Same with Will.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
By the way, smooth move burning down forests. You're destroying the main economy and regional pride, that's not gonna go over well with the people you're "liberating." Not at all.

Erm, huh? I'm not deliberately going all Agent Orange on the mountains or anything. What happens when bombs drop, ammo & fuel trucks 'splode, I'm not responsible for. One could say it's the fault of someone who's putting men and driving those trucks places up there, but no one is. So, that's that.
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| August 14, 2011, 3:57 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Erm, huh? I'm not deliberately going all Agent Orange on the mountains or anything. What happens when bombs drop, ammo & fuel trucks 'splode, I'm not responsible for. One could say it's the fault of someone who's putting men and driving those trucks places up there, but no one is. So, that's that.


Awe sees napalm dropped on forests. Awe is not pleased. This shall be decided on the field of battle.
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| August 14, 2011, 4:07 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Awe sees napalm dropped on forests. Awe is not pleased. This shall be decided on the field of battle.

I really couldn't care less about the forests, really. Well, ok, I love forests, but I don't like fighting in them.

Quoting |Brîan| C

I SOLD YOU NO FRIGATES!!!

EDIT: I manufactured ten of them in March for him, but, he didn't get this second batch from me >.>

So...you never delivered them to him?
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| August 14, 2011, 4:21 pm
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1200 hours EST is the last hour I'll take European and Other Regions That Aren't the Americas combat orders tomorrow.


Speaking of the war in Europe, this was exactly the topic of a small conference held by Ukraine, Adjara, and the Union State. The Union State has stressed that neither of the former two nations can exist on their own [in matters of defense, growing economy blocs, and social recognition] for much longer without being drawn into some sort of feverish conflict of any of the the listed three items and without involving a bloc of their own. Both states have formally agreed that such a union is growing more and more necessary as the massive coalitions across the globe engorge themselves in hostilities and only a few nations remain unaffected whatsoever; one of said countries being the Union State. Therefore, a vote was held amongst both the Independent Ukrainian and Adjaran legislatures and populaces for representation in the Union State. Both nations rocked the vote and their seats in the Federal Assembly are being arranged. In accordance, Ukraine will be united again and Adjara will remain as its own two-seat district. Celebratory honors are being held in Minsk, Moscow, Kiev and Khabarovsk to shed light on the states' entrance as well as to boost morale and support for the present government body.

In other news, the Union State recently traded Alaska 100 AIFVs for 50 AH-4s. The rather unconventional support birds shall serve well with our ground forces and we hope the same shall be the case with the IFVs being handed over. To avoid innocent individuals being killed, a rather elaborate and costly shipping process shall be executed quite close to the Arctic Circle; very few nations are equipped to travel anywhere close, so we feel quite safe about the situation.
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| August 16, 2011, 9:17 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
To avoid innocent individuals being killed, a rather elaborate and costly shipping process shall be executed quite close to the Arctic Circle; very few nations are equipped to travel anywhere close, so we feel quite safe about the situation.

That is, unless the Axis have been sending subs under the ice, although the last time that happened was the Cold War.
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| August 16, 2011, 10:26 pm
Quoting |Brîan| C
So...you never delivered them to him?


No, I delivered them, but I don't know how the heck he got these next fifteen >.>, I didn't give hime production rights...

I thought I ordered fifteen originally. I only got ten right?
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| August 17, 2011, 1:23 pm
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China be creepin on low, waiting for CRs and little else. Build it, build it all.
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| August 17, 2011, 5:26 pm
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Euro CR

Azores:
-The Baltic press into the archipelago continues with only minute gains in actual turf.
-Baltic support and cargo planes have been able to make good use of the captured air installation on São Miguel after UAVs were deployed to scout the island for thermal signatures and such and wild weasels were furthermore called in to eliminate many of the remaining anti-air defenses. However, combing the island for resistance will be quite hazardous as the Iberians have dug in and locals of the area are making use of optimized defensive positions and guerrilla tactics.
-Terceira still remains severely hostile. The Iberian fortifications to the island have really taken their toll on the invading Baltic forces and only twelve hundred boys have been able to land total. Heliborne forces that landed earlier are working to flank and eliminate some of the positions, but there are presently few results to be noted. Baltic command presently has very few optimistic thoughts about continuing the press on Terceira; it’d be more logical to starve the buggers and cut off any and all supplies than to spill further blood.

Iberian Peninsula:
-Coalition ground support and logistics passing through the Pyrenees continue to take losses as the area falls into the category of an insurgency rather than professional militaries duking it out. VBIEDs, sniper fire, buried mines, etc. all remain constant threats and thus coalition forces have been forced to provide additional convoy security and must make constant passes with detection and jamming vehicles to combat the remote explosives and such. The troops relying on fresh supplies further in the peninsula are starting to feel the effects of these losses, but they remain vigilant and head-strong.
-The Iberian troops that retreated from Bilbao and set up defenses in the hills and mountains continue to harass Dutch probes without the latter troops being able to go any further than Santander. The Iberians have made good use of mortars and light artillery positions to take out roadways and such offering the coalition forces easy access further west.
-The coalition forces in Barcelona have managed to make haste and capture Tarragona with minimal losses as Byzantine air support remains consistently thorough. Iberian resistance remains pocketed as usual as strategic minds have decided that defending the core of the peninsula will be far more cost-effective due to the harsh geography.
-The Balearics have fallen to Byzantine hands as the remaining Iberian defenders have thrown up the white flag and are being rounded up as POWs. The surrender was organized due to EuroCo forces pressing along the eastern coastline leaving the troops on the island without a proper escape route. Roughly a hundred and twenty Byzantine troops were lost compared to the eighty recorded by the Spaniards. Faint sniper fire still remains though; it can’t be told if it’s civvies with rifles or actual militants.
-Gibraltar has been heavily fortified by the Brits and it is inadvisable for an assault to occur on the city.

Africa:
-Reports have it that Chinese aircraft that formerly landed in Morocco have been withdrawn. Just in time too as missiles from the sea struck Moroccan air bases once again making sure they’d by irreparable. This has effectively left the Iberians and defending Africans without any proper installations to launch air coverage. The air contest will now be asymmetrical as the defenders can only hope to knock enemy planes from the sky via ground weaponry or by foreign interdiction.
-Intelligence reports have it that the Brits are missing a few planes from their proper home installations and they may be positions elsewhere on the globe; most likely closer to N. Africa as there have been reports of missiles from an unknown position eliminating SAMs and other defenses of similar nature.
-The Egyptian occupation of Algeria remains without incident. For the most part, the civvies seem apathetic presently as no one in their country has been harmed by the nearby conflict. Although the civvies are cautious as they step outdoors, daily life continues without hindrance by the occupation forces or Europeans.

Atlantic Ocean and Med. Sea:
-EuroCo patrols of the Atlantic continue to be heightened to engage any support that may come from the Americas to help the Iberians and Africans. No combative incidents have yet occurred.
-One Iberian submarine was finally found as it was observed to be resupplying at a presently undisclosed port near Portugal. This was rather unfortunate as EuroCo have taken ASW quite seriously with virtually no room to breathe. The Brits were actually first to make contact and eventually sunk the submarine as the Brits fired munitions from a combination of ASW aircraft, frigates, and their own hunter subs. However, the Iberians didn’t go without a fight and managed to fire off three missiles that struck two separate British frigates close to the water line. One of the vessels had to be abandoned, but damage control on the other managed to allow the vessel to limp to an allied port in France.

Burma:
-The Chinese interdiction has actually become an invasion as they press in from the north with anti-democratic militants leading the way.
-Scandinavian losses remain mostly minimal as most of their forces in-country have been reserved to protect figureheads and their one installation. Air support is pretty much their main game as wild weasel sorties progress to strafe the Sino-Burmese advance in the north. However, the air is now contested as reports have it that an influx of Chinese Whitefish have made it to the theatre.
-Only one actual dogfight has occurred presently between the two encampments. Two Sparvs encountered a Whitefish CAP thought to be only one bird and they quickly dove from above to engage the target. The lead Sparv opened its bays and fired its first munition almost scoring a hit if the Whitefish didn’t jam the missile. In turn, the same Sparv quickly turned on a dime to fire a second volley as the second Sparv leveled off a bit away to keep an eye out for any other bogies. The attacking Sparv managed to finally kill the Whitefish after clipping its rather large wing surface making the flying wing unstable. Just as this happened, a second Whitefish came in and nearly scored its own hit on the victorious Sparv had it not been for the second Sparv warning his partner. The Scandilanders quickly bugged out as their fuel was dwindling; the Whitefish didn’t pursue granted it knew it would likely be reported to another democratic CAP.
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| August 17, 2011, 7:32 pm
Very important news from Egypt in several areas-

After many weeks of soldiers presenting the locals with gifts of fine cigars and candy, voting and allowing the common people to hold a referendum, the Algerian government has voted to unite with the AAU. Celebrations are being held all across North America as the union grows stronger.

Activity in Egyptian shipyards is higher than ever. Civilians grow curious as to what all the buzz is about. Reports of sightings of absolutely massive and very fast wing-in-ground-effect vehicles of some sort have been coming in from all over in the Egyptian portion of the Mediterranean. Also, it is confirmed that at least 10 ship hulls stand largely completed in the Alexandria shipyards.

The Pharaoh and announced today the official de-affiliation of the AAU with the Axis. The Egyptian Government and the leaders of the AAU no longer bear solid political ties with either the Pacific Union or the Chinese Empire. Instead, the AAU wishes to seek closer ties with Europe, Persia, and Russia.

However!

The Egyptian government is highly pleased to announce the engagement of the [Kaiser] Pharaoh to Miss Katrina Baldridge of Portland, PCU. The wedding is to be held at a beach near Portland. We ask that your strife be put aside so that all foreign leaders may come and witness this happy gathering. The wedding shall be held next Tuesday or Wednesday, after the arrival of Miss Baldridge from the PCU state of California (on le Flickr >_>). A reception will also be held- music and drinks will be had. Light security provided by AAU nation Tunisia will be at hand.
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| August 17, 2011, 9:40 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Egyptian government is highly pleased to announce the engagement of the [Kaiser] Pharaoh to Miss Katrina Baldridge of Portland, PCU. The wedding is to be held at a beach near Portland. We ask that your strife be put aside so that all foreign leaders may come and witness this happy gathering. The wedding shall be held next Tuesday or Wednesday, after the arrival of Miss Baldridge from the PCU state of California (on le Flickr >_>). A reception will also be held- music and drinks will be had. Light security provided by AAU nation Tunisia will be at hand.


And then Ultra's fighters show up to kill everyone, but my planes are there too, and the greatest dogfight of all time ensues, with most losses due to aerial collision. Project Norris/M-whatever troops show up and have a lightsaber duel with White Ops and Invisible Hand, s--t gets real and there's explosions and dinosaurs everywhere.

In other words, I'll be there.
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| August 17, 2011, 10:03 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Project Norris/M-whatever troops show up and have a lightsaber duel with White Ops and Invisible Hand, s--t gets real and there's explosions and dinosaurs everywhere.


Don't forget Codename: Sir Billy Mays.

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| August 17, 2011, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

And then Ultra's fighters show up to kill everyone, but my planes are there too, and the greatest dogfight of all time ensues, with most losses due to aerial collision.

IF you can find a place to land them, that is...

And it's M6.
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| August 17, 2011, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
IF you can find a place to land them, that is...

And it's M6.


I'll lay down one of those portable runways made of metal they have. It'll be like an old medieval tournament, in the sky, and it's too the death.

We can paint our planes all kinds of colors and set up gambling rings.

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| August 17, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I'll lay down one of those portable runways made of metal they have. It'll be like an old medieval tournament, in the sky, and it's too the death.

We can paint our planes all kinds of colors and set up gambling rings.

"All the King's horses and all the King's men" eh? I'll stick to gunkills.
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| August 17, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
"All the King's horses and all the King's men" eh? I'll stick to gunkills.


You're no fun. When this is all over, Nick and I will have our tourney our way. /walks off in huff
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| August 17, 2011, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

You're no fun. When this is all over, Nick and I will have our tourney our way. /walks off in huff

Erm, ok, have fun with that.
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| August 17, 2011, 10:53 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Erm, ok, have fun with that.


I will.

Now this is getting off-topic, so how about some on-topic:
-One protester against the war was never heard from again today.
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| August 17, 2011, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Cliffe, are you making more of those stupid flying-boat things?


LOL I believe so.
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| August 18, 2011, 5:29 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Cliffe, are you making more of those stupid flying-boat things?

Eeyup.
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| August 18, 2011, 9:12 pm
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American CR orders due by midnight Tuesday and Euro CR orders due by midnight of the following day.
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| August 18, 2011, 9:19 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
American CR orders due by midnight Tuesday and Euro CR orders due by midnight of the following day.

Next tuesday? Or did I miss it?
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| August 18, 2011, 11:34 pm
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Quoting Jack Ford
Next tuesday? Or did I miss it?

This coming Tuesday.
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| August 18, 2011, 11:35 pm
I'm back from kansas with a national championship.

The NSP Teheran is entering sea trials and will enter service in two weeks. It will be son be revealed to the public.

The upgrading of the Tu-160's and Mistrals is complete and will enter service next week.

The new armadillo ifv will enter service on monday. It is designed to replace the BMP-2's and roughly 1/3 of the BMP-4's in Persian service.


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| August 20, 2011, 3:18 pm
Quoting C A
I'm back from kansas with a national championship.

The NSP Teheran is entering sea trials and will enter service in two weeks. It will be son be revealed to the public.

The upgrading of the Tu-160's and Mistrals is complete and will enter service next week.

The new armadillo ifv will enter service on monday. It is designed to replace the BMP-2's and roughly 1/3 of the BMP-4's in Persian service.


Glad to see you back, good sir.

The African/Arabic Union (AAU) would like to offer a standing alliance with Persia. As our ties with Europe recently loosened somewhat, and our ties with the Axis have already been cut, we stand somewhat alone (although we still stand with the UNS and Baltic Union for sure). Allying with a strong nation like Persia will be beneficial for the both of us. Our energy industry and electronics industry could make your nation five times stronger.
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| August 20, 2011, 7:43 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
What college?

American in DC. Wittle Evan-poo is all grewed up.
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| August 20, 2011, 11:04 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Woot, I finished my cruiser! Just need to add a few details here and there... Including a helicopter.

Question: Are we allowed to have experimental railguns, like the one the US Navy has?


Back in RA-CAS-UEN, they were allowed, but at a cost. It takes the same energy to fire a railgun as it does to power Chicago for 6 months... I guess it'd be a very limited-use weapon, to keep things balanced.

/nightmares of rail-gun navies pew-pewing everything
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| August 22, 2011, 12:35 am
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Quoting Brendan Dore
Woot, I finished my cruiser! Just need to add a few details here and there... Including a helicopter.

Question: Are we allowed to have experimental railguns, like the one the US Navy has?


1) Nice, can't wait to see it.
2) No railguns, we determined that despite actual railguns being in existence and them likely being fielded by 2037, to balance the game they aren't allowed. Sorry 'bout that.
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| August 22, 2011, 1:46 am
It seems ive been gone for a long time. Where do I start?

-3 weeks ago (Ive been waiting to post this)
S'pore is finally in control of Laos.

-Today
Building stuff
Researching stuff
Doing stuff
Breathing
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| August 23, 2011, 6:11 am
Quoting Brendan Dore
Anybody else feel that earthquake on the East Coast? That was kinda cool, actually.

Yup, and I happen to be in VA right now...
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| August 23, 2011, 2:29 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Anybody else feel that earthquake on the East Coast? That was kinda cool, actually.


Nah brah, didn't feel anything really, must have mistaken it for my sister stomping around all the time.
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| August 23, 2011, 3:58 pm
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Today, in the USNA...

Much has been happening lately, yes indeed. The secret project in the northern reaches of Canada has been finished, and hopefully the fruits of our labors should be felt in a hard way very soon.

Also, another B-4 has taken wing! Bringing our total to 6.

The super carrier, USS Ronald Reagan-B, has slipped from her berths in that classified location, and will be undergoing shakedowns for the next week or so, still in that same area. It will have quite the store once she's armed & set for battle.

As for the 'wedding' going on inside the PCU. Well, good luck. You'll find the fuel consumption requirements quite demanding what with dodging all of the USNA choke patrols in the Pacific, ranging pilots based in the RCA and Texas, and of course our airspace is closed entirely. Still, do have fun! We recommend someplace other than Niagara Falls or Hawaii for a honeymoon spot...just saying.
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| August 23, 2011, 4:19 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
As for the 'wedding' going on inside the PCU. Well, good luck. You'll find the fuel consumption requirements quite demanding what with dodging all of the USNA choke patrols in the Pacific, ranging pilots based in the RCA and Texas, and of course our airspace is closed entirely. Still, do have fun! We recommend someplace other than Niagara Falls or Hawaii for a honeymoon spot...just saying.


Dude, it's Cliffe. You want to know how he's getting there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSf9aEETnvE
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| August 23, 2011, 7:16 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Today, in the USNA...

Much has been happening lately, yes indeed. The secret project in the northern reaches of Canada has been finished, and hopefully the fruits of our labors should be felt in a hard way very soon.

Also, another B-4 has taken wing! Bringing our total to 6.

The super carrier, USS Ronald Reagan-B, has slipped from her berths in that classified location, and will be undergoing shakedowns for the next week or so, still in that same area. It will have quite the store once she's armed & set for battle.

As for the 'wedding' going on inside the PCU. Well, good luck. You'll find the fuel consumption requirements quite demanding what with dodging all of the USNA choke patrols in the Pacific, ranging pilots based in the RCA and Texas, and of course our airspace is closed entirely. Still, do have fun! We recommend someplace other than Niagara Falls or Hawaii for a honeymoon spot...just saying.

Boy, you're a lot of fun and games, and you sure are friendly, too.
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| August 23, 2011, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Boy, you're a lot of fun and games, and you sure are friendly, too.

Do it like I do, keep private matters off MOCpages in the future. Saves on stuff like this. Or, realize that 6 or 7 nations struggling to the death won't wait for the happiness of two individuals. Either way, saves everyone trouble.
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| August 23, 2011, 9:48 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Do it like I do, keep private matters off MOCpages in the future. Saves on stuff like this. Or, realize that 6 or 7 nations struggling to the death won't wait for the happiness of two individuals. Either way, saves everyone trouble.

Private? This is definitely public. This is the introduction of a new Empress of Prusso-Egypt (or Queen of Egypt, for this group). I would very much like it if the state leaders I respect would attend. Some of them are. And the European and Asian leaders certainly aren't struggling very much...
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| August 23, 2011, 9:58 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Private? This is definitely public. This is the introduction of a new Empress of Prusso-Egypt (or Queen of Egypt, for this group). I would very much like it if the state leaders I respect would attend. Some of them are. And the European and Asian leaders certainly aren't struggling very much...

Ah, well, they'd better clear it and their flight plans through me if they don't want their precious leaders shot out of the sky. You too, I'm not holding back. I'm not chancing anything getting in...or going out for that matter. Besides, I doubt they'll find an open airfield anyplace to land on, considering all of them are within shelling distance. We'll be watching through our binoculars...
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| August 23, 2011, 10:03 pm
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As a reminder, American orders are due by midnight. Euro orders due tomorrow at the same time.
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| August 23, 2011, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
DC is turning out to be a great city haha. Was inside a glass building on campus during it. Mega lulz to see the kids from California's reactions.


We get real earthquakes over here on the West Coast. Then again, y'all get the real snow days...
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| August 24, 2011, 2:22 am
today in the RAS...

the invasion of the DRC is going fantastic. with almost no resistance the troops within the village of kinshasa surrendered without any form of resitance. shakas and recon helis are heading to kananga and will arrive by tommorrow. the RAS forces are steadily making thier way sout west from cabindina and pushing north from angolas normal border. we will keep you posted.
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| August 24, 2011, 5:33 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, I now present...

THE [FIRST EMPRESS OF PRUSSO-EGYPT] QUEEN OF EGYPT, KATRINA CLIFFE.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mew-chan/6077792434/in/photostream
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| August 24, 2011, 8:01 pm
In Australia-
Not much is going on. Life continues regularly. Any military operations once again are postponed.
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| August 24, 2011, 8:45 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe


Hehe the honeymoon had better not be in the PCU or else there might be... fireworks... through the nights. >.>

Fighter escort can be provided by the Alaskan Airforce across the Pacific for when you're ready to get out of the PCU. We'll pick up right outside of PCU airspace. A few flights of F-1s outside the window would be good assurance that you won't be shot down by marauding allied aircraft or SAM units.
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| August 25, 2011, 12:02 pm
Quoting |Brîan| C
150 more Saints rolled off assembly lines today, as well as 60 of the new Cheetah MBTs. While the Cheetah will not fully replace the Leclerc MBT, and will begin seeing service with the Alpine Units.


150 APCs and 60 MBTs in a day? How about no.
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| August 25, 2011, 1:25 pm
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Due to the disturbing lull in activity and action in the war, production of various war materials goes smoothly, with enough Sparvs being built by this time to being replacing our Gripens in service.
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| August 25, 2011, 4:15 pm
http://images.memegenerator.net/images/408x/131882.jpg

/mfw when the American Powers think I've already lost, TWO COMBAT REPORTS IN.

@Jack: I already told you our attack was a mistake. I'm pretty sure that could be written off, just like we are not at war with Tim anymore for the same reasons.
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| August 25, 2011, 7:04 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
@Jack: I already told you our attack was a mistake. I'm pretty sure that could be written off, just like we are not at war with Tim anymore for the same reasons.


Relax brah, it's just a opportunistic landgrab. I do it all the time.
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| August 25, 2011, 8:23 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Relax brah, it's just a opportunistic landgrab. I do it all the time.

Except that my invasion force alone is larger than his available army and marine forces. That of course not counting the men now hopelessly trapped in Washington in the 'amazing' counterattack. I'm pretty sure he'll have his hands full elsewhere, for a long time. "...The war is all but lost for us in America..." Your own words, Awe. I must say, your front here is convincing.


Oops...was that not supposed to get out?

Quoting Nick Shelton
@Jack: I already told you our attack was a mistake.

There are consequences for mistakes.
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| August 25, 2011, 9:44 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Except that my invasion force alone is larger than his available army and marine forces. That of course not counting the men now hopelessly trapped in Washington in the 'amazing' counterattack. I'm pretty sure he'll have his hands full elsewhere, for a long time. "...The war is all but lost for us in America..." Your own words, Awe. I must say, your front here is convincing.


Oops...was that not supposed to get out?


You know who thought they could win with superior manpower? Russia in 1914. And look what happened, they got massacred when they made a vital mistake.

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| August 25, 2011, 9:46 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
You know who thought they could win with superior manpower? Russia in 1914. And look what happened, they got massacred when they made a vital mistake.

They also were amazingly badly equipped with archaic equipment, lacked ammunition entirely in most cases,(historians have noted that the primary Russian weapon was the bayonet out of necessity) lacked morale, suffered from utter industrial infancy, and were in the midst of a revolution back home.
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| August 25, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
They also were amazingly badly equipped with archaic equipment, lacked ammunition entirely in most cases,(historians have noted that the primary Russian weapon was the bayonet out of necessity) lacked morale, suffered from utter industrial infancy, and were in the midst of a revolution back home.


This may be true of the Russian army later in the war, but not at Tannenburg. They had high morale, were pressing deep into East Prussia, thought the Germans had given up, only artillery ran out of ammo due to over use, and the Bolshevik Revolutions didn't happen until 1917 as a result of the war.

Checkmate.



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| August 25, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Except that my invasion force alone is larger than his available army and marine forces. That of course not counting the men now hopelessly trapped in Washington in the 'amazing' counterattack. I'm pretty sure he'll have his hands full elsewhere, for a long time. "...The war is all but lost for us in America..." Your own words, Awe. I must say, your front here is convincing.


Oops...was that not supposed to get out?


I don't know what you're going on about now... I've got no forces in America, and unless the situation changes, Nick is gone. We discussed it.

You're always trying to pretend you know things about us, but in reality, you know nothing, Ultra.
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| August 25, 2011, 10:41 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

This may be true of the Russian army later in the war, but not at Tannenburg. They had high morale, were pressing deep into East Prussia, thought the Germans had given up, only artillery ran out of ammo due to over use, and the Bolshevik Revolutions didn't happen until 1917 as a result of the war.

Yes, they were still ill-equipped, and they lost that battle in the end because the cavalry never came. No reinforcements means a loss. I, on the other hand, have been told by Cliffe himself that I never have made a mistake. I don't intend to start making them either.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
You're always trying to pretend you know things about us, but in reality, you know nothing, Ultra.

Erm, no, just enlightening the others, that's all.
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| August 25, 2011, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .

Erm, no, just enlightening the others, that's all.


About what? This is a public group, I assume everything I post here is read by everyone.
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| August 25, 2011, 10:50 pm
The Pharaoh looks upon this "friendship" of our Iraqi and close Jordanian friends with the Byzantines with much suspicion. AAU delegates reached Jordan, Iraq, and Oman today to discuss increased trade, alliance and possible union, and integration of a massive railway network. Egypt's railway network has recently been entirely re-vamped and electrified with high speed trains. It is being built across North Africa and has already spread more than halfway across Libya. It is also in Sudan, approaching South Sudan. Delegates have also been sent to Ethiopia to discuss introducing a strong Christian element into the mostly Muslim AAU.

Speaking of which- surprisingly, the new Roman Catholic Filipino-born Queen Katrina is being received well in the eyes of the Egyptian public, as well as AAU member states, save for some conservatives in Yemen.

The Grand Temple to the Aten in the new capital city, Akhetaten, now 80% complete, is to include Judeo-Christian as well as Muslim and ancient Egyptian art. Experts from Israel have been invited to come and validate whether the Judeo-Christian art is in good taste or not. The Pharaoh and the Queen are to review it themselves quite soon.
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| August 28, 2011, 6:31 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Grand Temple to the Aten in the new capital city, Akhetaten, now 80% complete, is to include Judeo-Christian as well as Muslim and ancient Egyptian art. Experts from Israel have been invited to come and validate whether the Judeo-Christian art is in good taste or not. The Pharaoh and the Queen are to review it themselves quite soon.

...

Israel is off limits to you, and I doubt any of those capable of making such determinations would set foot in a pagan temple.
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| August 28, 2011, 7:25 pm
Breaking News:

At the urging of the Spanish Government, all Senegalese/Union Craft have left Morocco and are heading South back to where they came. The three support ships we sent to Egypt have been recalled as well.
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| August 28, 2011, 7:34 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
The Federation is...purturbed at this development. We have long considered our relationship with Iraq, Jordan, and Kuwait as one of close friendship...and the fact that other nations are attempting to interrupt this friendship as one of a very concerning nature.

Never mind the opinion of the Pharaoh. The Great Council of the AAU sincerely hopes that both of our friendships with the mentioned Middle-Eastern nations can somehow co-exist. We mean you nor the nations in question no harm nor disrespect.

Quoting Ultramarine .
...

Israel is off limits to you, and I doubt any of those capable of making such determinations would set foot in a pagan temple.

The temple is 100% devoted to monotheism. And the Queen, a highly devout Catholic, sets foot in it with ease. Why are your experts so shaky, hm?
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| August 28, 2011, 7:47 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The temple is 100% devoted to monotheism. And the Queen, a highly devout Catholic, sets foot in it with ease. Why are your experts so shaky, hm?

Monotheism of which god? Ra? Aten, you said? I highly doubt I as a nondenominational protestant would set foot in a pagan temple devoted to many gods like that. Imagine what the ultra orthodox Jews would have to say about that.
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| August 28, 2011, 8:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Monotheism of which god? Ra? Aten, you said? I highly doubt I as a nondenominational protestant would set foot in a pagan temple devoted to many gods like that. Imagine what the ultra orthodox Jews would have to say about that.

How do you define paganism, anyhow? Aten was worshiped only a few hundred years before the Israelites came to Egypt... some people still worship Aten today. Just because a religion is out of the ordinary and not very well know doesn't mean it's "pagan."

Besides, Aten is most often regarded as a very similar, if not the same being as or even the inspiration for the Judeo-Christian and Muslim god.
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| August 28, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How do you define paganism, anyhow? Aten was worshiped only a few hundred years before the Israelites came to Egypt... some people still worship Aten today. Just because a religion is out of the ordinary and not very well know doesn't mean it's "pagan."

Besides, Aten is most often regarded as a very similar, if not the same being as or even the inspiration for the Judeo-Christian and Muslim god.

Any person that worships a god other than the one true God is a pagan.
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| August 28, 2011, 8:52 pm
In order to defend the portal to Equestria, Spain has hired the following mercenary groups:

The A Team, the Neigh Team, BLU, RED, Ghostbusters, Han Solo, the New Earth Army, the Mujahideen, Optimus Prime, KISS, P.A.R.T.Y, KND, the Mario Brothers, Mandalorians, the Justice League, the Mystery Gang, Anonymous, the Avengers, the Order of the Stick, Link and Gwonam, and Lulzec.

Which is basically as accurate as half a country or more converting to a long dead religion. Or for that matter, anything Cliffe says.
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| August 28, 2011, 8:59 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Any person that worships a god other than the one true God is a pagan.

TIDE COMES IN, TIDE COMES OUT. NEVER A MISCOMMUNICATION. YOU...CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT!
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| August 28, 2011, 9:01 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Any person that worships a god other than the one true God is a pagan.


Press a button, TV turns on. CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT.


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| August 28, 2011, 9:04 pm
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In the spirit of non-flaming, which I believe is being violated, I will simply encourage anyone that has questions to talk (not troll) to me in a different forum. Thank you.
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| August 28, 2011, 9:06 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
In the spirit of non-flaming, which I believe is being violated, I will simply encourage anyone that has questions to talk (not troll) to me in a different forum. Thank you.


You said one true god. That set my atheist senses off.
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| August 28, 2011, 9:11 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

You said one true god. That set my atheist senses off.

Huh, like that's never happened to me before. Glad you finally understand.
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| August 28, 2011, 9:11 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
In the spirit of non-flaming, which I believe is being violated, I will simply encourage anyone that has questions to talk (not troll) to me in a different forum. Thank you.

FLICKR. AAAAWWWWAAAAYYYYY!!!
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| August 28, 2011, 9:12 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Any person that worships a god other than the one true God is a pagan.

I wish not to flame and not to troll- but many biblical scholars consider Aten to be in line with the one true God you speak of and that I truly believe in. They even suggest Aten and Egyptian art and religion in general to be an inspiration for the early Hebrews.

And if your statement is true- are Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, and Sikhs pagan?
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| August 28, 2011, 9:20 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
If you want to question the life, the universe, and everything. Of course then, the answer is 42.

How many roads must a man walk down?
42!
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| August 28, 2011, 9:49 pm
Inglip.
Just saying.
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| August 28, 2011, 10:18 pm
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China laughs at this religious debate. Keep your spiritual out of my spiritual, and we can all be happy.


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| August 28, 2011, 10:44 pm
He returns! How was camping?
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| August 28, 2011, 10:50 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
He returns! How was camping?


No camping was done, my father's injuries to his back and ribs had not healed fully, so we had to use hotels. I did look at some of the terrain Ultra is currently fighting Nick in, though. Boy, getting through those mountains is gonna be tough. Also, I now have a place to hide when my life goes down the drain. >.>

I was hoping for a CR while I was gone, but apparently not...
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| August 28, 2011, 11:45 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I did look at some of the terrain Ultra is currently fighting Nick in, though. Boy, getting through those mountains is gonna be tough.

I'd say something, but it would give away my strategy.

Let's just say that Americans have fought and won the longest lasting campaign in history, one mountain range at a time. Basically, I've got all the time in the world.

Doesn't matter that it's now Americans fighting each other really. It's still all about strategy. Besides, you heard, morale isn't much over there.
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| August 28, 2011, 11:50 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
I'd say something, but it would give away my strategy.

Let's just say that Americans have fought and won the longest lasting campaign in history, one mountain range at a time. Basically, I've got all the time in the world.

Doesn't matter that it's now Americans fighting each other really. It's still all about strategy. Besides, you heard, morale isn't much over there.


Let me guess: Italy?

Anyways, I look forward to seeing it.

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| August 28, 2011, 11:51 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Let me guess: Italy?

Anyways, I look forward to seeing it.

Ding ding ding! You got it!

Yeah, me too...
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| August 29, 2011, 12:27 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
America's involvement in WWII comes no where close to being the longest campaign in history.

The fight in Italy was, in fact, the single longest campaign in military history. As most other places, US troops comprised the majority of those committed.

You're forgetting the technical definition of a "Campaign." It is a set military objective, not a general fight "campaign: several related operations aimed at achieving a particular goal (usually within geographical and temporal constraints)." I.e. the Gettysburg Campaign during the Civil War lasted all of 3 weeks or so while the armies got into position and then involved only about 4 days of conflict; ending when Lee crossed back into the South.

The Italian Campaign started on July 9, 1943 and did not end until May 2, 1945; nearly two solid years later. The goal? To forcefully take the Italian Peninsula. Thus, safely making it the longest single campaign executed in recorded military history.
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| August 29, 2011, 1:32 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
The Italian Campaign started on July 9, 1943 and did not end until May 2, 1945; nearly two solid years later. The goal? To forcefully take the Italian Peninsula. Thus, safely making it the longest single campaign executed in recorded military history.


Well, if that's your definition of campaign, wouldn't some of the classical/medieval campaigns list higher up? Italy was by far the longest in WWII, but compared to world history, I doubt it's the longest. Troy comes to mind, if it did indeed last ten years. Failing that, perhaps the Muslim Conquest of Spain... Both happened under one force and one leader.
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| August 29, 2011, 3:07 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
The Reconquista. Just about 800 solid years of the Spanish and Portuguese doing one thing and one thing only; fighting to retake the Peninsula from the Moors.

In the grand scheme of military history, two years is nothing, even for a particular campaign. As said before, Troy was ten years, Hannibal's March was five years, Alexander's march through the Persian Empire were twelve years.

The campaign in Italy was really not that big of a deal, length wise.


Hannibal's march, as you call it, is actually the Second Punic War. The Reconquista was a series of wars that toppled miscellaneous native empires. The Hundred Year's War was a series of wars grouped into a big one. Alexander's war with Asia is just that, a war. I'm not talking about wars, I'm talking about campaigns.

Ok, there are a few definitions you should know about. There are operations; (i.e. Operation Overlord) which are aimed at a specific objective that is usually easily attainable timewise. A campaign is larger, like the Italian Campaign was. A war is much, much bigger. There have been wars that lasted hundreds of years, even WWII lasted longer than the Italian Campaign did. However, under the purely technical definition of the word "Campaign," the Italian Campaign is the longest in recorded military history.
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| August 29, 2011, 12:57 pm
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First Crusade: 1096-1099
Objective: Take Jerusalem

That's a year longer than Italy.

And I guess this is what it comes down to when we have no CR and nothing to do but wait...
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| August 29, 2011, 2:36 pm
Oh, now the Moors are natives, and not Arabic invaders. I'll go tell my history teacher that now.
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| August 29, 2011, 2:38 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits
Oh, now the Moors are natives, and not Arabic invaders. I'll go tell my history teacher that now.


Actually, they were Muslim Berbers, for the most part. So the politically correct terms of "Arab Conquests" should really still be called "Muslim Conquests" as that was exactly what happened. Berbers, Arabs, and eventually Persians all joined in.
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| August 29, 2011, 2:43 pm
Well school started a few weeks ago, and I've been pretty busy, and I'm still waiting for the CR Erik said he'd publish last night.

As for news within the Confederation, it hasn't been much, just building stuff, commissioning ships, and being mischievous.
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| August 29, 2011, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Also, after a quick five-second google, I found that the British Army considered its' 38-year long operations in Northern Ireland as a continuous campaign. Just for another example.

Well, then, at the time I do believe it was the longest. However, it is possible that I was also mistaken and it was the longest in US military history. Though, I would not encourage wars to be so loosely defined as 'Campaigns.' The Crusades were the crusades, and Alexander's march through Asia was a war too. Or else at that time, they did not classify things as 'campaigns.'

But, I stand corrected.
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| August 30, 2011, 1:21 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo Also, Evan wins the internet for the day for his HGttG reference.

/Nick makes minor reference from same book.
/no recognition.
/okayface.jpg
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| August 30, 2011, 10:16 pm
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Just got power back a few minutes ago...

Reveal of the new Airborne Combat Vehicle is slated for around 5pm EST, but knowing me, it will take a few more days >.>

Glad to see the group hasn't entirely died yet.
Random question: does anyone think that it might be a good idea to transplant this group onto flickr?
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| August 31, 2011, 11:29 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Lolque?

Also, thought I might as well mention it.

I am now officially a cadet in Detachment 130, United States Air Force ROTC. :3

Congratulations.
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| August 31, 2011, 5:24 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Glad to see the group hasn't entirely died yet.
Random question: does anyone think that it might be a good idea to transplant this group onto flickr?


I'm not opposed to it.
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| August 31, 2011, 6:22 pm
A bit out of topic, but now that I'm in Mauritania, I might as well settle in. I'll first build a few bunkers on the coast.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/284256
I might then plan the railroads.
All of this will take a lot of money. For a little economical boost, I will send a cruise ship to Europe, and let it cross the Atlantic. It will be followed by a fleet of battleships. Any attack will be taken as an act of war.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/197830
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/163913
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| August 31, 2011, 8:18 pm
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Really hoping to have at least one of the CRs done late Friday/Saturday, guys. Having five IB courses this year is already kicking my posterior with nightly homework. I apologize for the inconvenience once more.
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| August 31, 2011, 8:59 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Random question: does anyone think that it might be a good idea to transplant this group onto flickr?

Fine by me, except that may allow the convos to be flooded by foul language and expletives.
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| August 31, 2011, 10:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Fine by me, except that may allow the convos to be flooded by foul language and expletives.


Foul language is a part of life. Deal with it.
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| August 31, 2011, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Foul language is a part of life. Deal with it.

When foul language can be controlled and excluded based upon the choices of the individual, then it does not have to be a part of life at all.

I would propose a rule that all comments with such language be deleted; like they are here.
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| August 31, 2011, 11:30 pm
"Hey guys, move all your creations to MOCpages!"

/two months or so later

"We're moving to Flickr."

/SCUMBAG ADMINS.

>.>
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| August 31, 2011, 11:38 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
When foul language can be controlled and excluded based upon the choices of the individual, then it does not have to be a part of life at all.

I would propose a rule that all comments with such language be deleted; like they are here.


Only if we can use the occasional reaction image. I need more people using my image bank, after all.

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| August 31, 2011, 11:44 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
"Hey guys, move all your creations to MOCpages!"

/two months or so later

"We're moving to Flickr."

/SCUMBAG ADMINS.

>.>

>.>

I hate to say this, but he's right, you know...
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| August 31, 2011, 11:46 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
>.>

I hate to say this, but he's right, you know...


Ultra and Nick agreeing... What has the world come to?
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| September 1, 2011, 12:00 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
In all honesty, I gave up trying to enforce that rule around the 12th time I had to mention it. Really, if it's that big of a bloody issue it's not worth it.

I made the transition, but I know. It must be like pulling teeth...
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| September 1, 2011, 1:31 am
Quoting Ham N' Biscuits

Foul language is a part of life. Deal with it.

Only if your vocabulary is limited by it.
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| September 3, 2011, 12:50 am
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Today, in the USNA...

A co-op team from Lockheed/de Havilland released the new UH-65 Bannock to fill the USNA army requirement for a replacement for the aging UH-60 and UH-1. The latter which we will be selling off at a reasonable price. Overall, it is 10% faster, a foot shorter (in height) and uses 15% fewer parts and materials; thereby making it cheaper and more transportable. Also, it's about a ton lighter. It holds 10 men in addition to the two gunners and two pilots. Speaking of which, it has two miniguns: 0.50 cal. Oh yeah. They come in all roles, even ASW. 'Wing' tanks will extend range quite a bit, around 1,000 miles.

That super carrier is still tooling around out there someplace undergoing shakedowns (aka I haven't MOC-ed it yet).

That and we look forward to the next CR.
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| September 3, 2011, 1:35 am
I realize people are not too happy about this Flickr thang, but it will be much better than you think.

And people who are in the new group, please choose a nation if you haven't. And people who are not in the group- join.
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| September 4, 2011, 5:07 pm
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Quoting Mateo .
And people who are in the new group, please choose a nation if you haven't. And people who are not in the group- join.

I would man, but too many of these for me is not a good thing.
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| September 4, 2011, 5:09 pm
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Quoting Mateo .
I realize people are not too happy about this Flickr thang, but it will be much better than you think.

And people who are in the new group, please choose a nation if you haven't. And people who are not in the group- join.


I know that most places have specific rules about recruitment to other groups but I will let this slide, this time.

I won't be making a nation because I A) don't have the time to make Cold War era things and B) Don't like the way the group has been set up in regards to politics, nations, and organization.
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| September 4, 2011, 8:00 pm
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I joined because I want to make a non-stealth fighter for once, and because I don't think that CR is coming. Y'all are aiming high with life and school, I don't even know where I'm going to college, so yeah.
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| September 4, 2011, 8:07 pm
The group was made so we didn't have to create everything for our countries to use. The main point was to make a group on Flickr because of Mocpages' slow server.
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| September 4, 2011, 10:59 pm
Quoting Mateo .
The group was made so we didn't have to create everything for our countries to use. The main point was to make a group on Flickr because of Mocpages' slow server.

it's fine at the moment, now that the whole systems crash thing is over. maybe it's your computer that's playing up. Either way, I think imma stay here on Mocpages.
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| September 5, 2011, 1:34 am
Tom, I think your PzH-2000s are a bit over-due.

In other news, the Naval Minister has announced that the Subsurface Division has been fully finished, and work shall continue on Surface Ships, with emphasis on Carriers and heavier ships. Also, because of the current War going on in North America, the Southern Navy has been given a mostly defensive briefing.
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| September 5, 2011, 5:16 pm
Excerpt from the news:

"Late last evening, tragedy struck in Astana.

In an unspeakable tragedy of tragic proportions, the Central Authority building, build heavily from reinforced concrete, burned to the ground with with our highest ranking officials inside.

The brave politicians of the Fatherland were busily debating as to which of them was best suited to taking on the Presidency, and as a result they were all tragically killed in the fire.

Firefighters and OVB security officers were still sifting through the wreckage this morning, but preliminary investigation suggests it was a tragic accident involving a series of ever more unlikely coincidences and cause-and-effect chains, all leading to inconceivable tragedy for the country.

In the complete absence of a unified command structure, the Director of the OVB, as senior surviving official, bravely stepped up to ensure the smooth operating of the nation. The Director has declared his willingness to step down once the investigation is concluded to the public's satisfaction, and in the meantime he'll try to keep things running smoothly as best he can.

Certain reporters at the press conference asked him why he was rubbing his hands so vigorously while shaking and grinning, to be told that in his rush to prevent any kind of overexuberant celebrations from destabilizing the nation, he'd neglected to put his gloves on and was suffering from the morning chill.

The Director assures that any and all emergency contigency codes were accounted for, and no accidental activations are expected in the near future.

That's all we have on this subject, now for the mysteriously mutilated corpses that are believed to be what's left of a news team, found dangling from a flagpole in front of the remains of the Central Authority. Mysteriously, none of the investigative agents from the Department of External Affairs saw the culprits at work.

Time for an ad break, followed by the conclusion of the 15 part docudrama "Mission Creep And The OVB", which, as some of you may know, has been plagued by a series of tragic and mysterious fires, murders, accidents and fatal, improbable, yet obviously accidental coincidences."
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| September 6, 2011, 7:56 am
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"The Director has declared his willingness to step down once the investigation is concluded to the public's satisfaction, and in the meantime he'll try to keep things running smoothly as best he can."

...Something about that seems so Star Warsy and Palpatine-ish....
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| September 6, 2011, 11:16 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
...Something about that seems so Star Warsy and Palpatine-ish....


"It is with great reluctance I accept these emergency powers..."

http://danawesome.netau.net/images/Malicious%20-%20Troll/I%20lied.png
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| September 6, 2011, 11:57 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
"The Director has declared his willingness to step down once the investigation is concluded to the public's satisfaction, and in the meantime he'll try to keep things running smoothly as best he can."

...Something about that seems so Star Warsy and Palpatine-ish....

We have no idea what you're getting at.
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| September 7, 2011, 6:56 am
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In lack of CR, I am declaring total victory on Burma, and recognizing Singapore's sovereignty over the peninsular area they took. It is now a tributary state.

<.<

Maybe this'll set off some tingle in Erik's mind, that I'm circumventing his authority.
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| September 7, 2011, 10:02 pm
maybe we should just start another group, forget we're all on different sides and start afresh, new players, new alliances. This group is hibernating.
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| September 7, 2011, 10:13 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
A new group won't fix that.

well it worked before...
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| September 7, 2011, 10:25 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
This may end up what we have to do. Like I said. Erik WILL be getting the CR's up. Once that happens (or if he doesn't get it up, in say, the next 3 days or so), I'll be making another discussion topic on where we want to go from here.

Maybe not even a new group, maybe just everyone erasing their nations and picking new ones and starting again?
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| September 7, 2011, 11:09 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Maybe not even a new group, maybe just everyone erasing their nations and picking new ones and starting again?


So starting a new group... but here?

Anyways, if we can't get this war resolved, this group will go nowhere. Luckily, all sides have some secret cards up their sleeves. Hey, maybe I wasn't joking when I said Nick and I put thermonuclear weapons inside all the Cascade volcanoes.

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| September 8, 2011, 9:18 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So starting a new group... but here?

Anyways, if we can't get this war resolved, this group will go nowhere. Luckily, all sides have some secret cards up their sleeves. Hey, maybe I wasn't joking when I said Nick and I put thermonuclear weapons inside all the Cascade volcanoes.

sort of, yeah, so just erasing everything and starting afresh, but maybe simply a whole new group would be easier for people to let go of all their grudges... Mind you even that doesn't seem to work for some members.

and heh.
hehehehe.
muhahahaahaha
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| September 8, 2011, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So starting a new group... but here?

Anyways, if we can't get this war resolved, this group will go nowhere. Luckily, all sides have some secret cards up their sleeves. Hey, maybe I wasn't joking when I said Nick and I put thermonuclear weapons inside all the Cascade volcanoes.

...then it was decided that not only nukes can't be used but natural disasters can't be incited.
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| September 8, 2011, 10:42 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
...then it was decided that not only nukes can't be used but natural disasters can't be incited.

Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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| September 8, 2011, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Exactly. I still prefer the 2030's era far more than 1880's/1980's personally. If it comes to it, I would be completely OK with starting a whole nother group for this era (I hope people are still interested, if we wipe the slate clean). Whether it's on Flickr or MP, I don't really care. I know Tom said he would create the next group, as he's the only one of the "oldies" per-se that hasn't done that yet.

I know that whatever happens I have no interest in being an admin/mod, too many shenanigans.

I wouldn't be opposed to WWII era. Pre-jet, that is. As long as we did away completely with the politics of the era (i.e. Hitler) then I think it might be ok. I know I'd like to build a bunch of advanced second-gen aircraft!
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| September 8, 2011, 10:58 pm
I vote for still 2030s, if my vote counts at all... I probably wouldn't build at all for a WWII or even cold war based theme.
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| September 8, 2011, 11:02 pm
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I still want to finish this war. But I'm not opposed to either a 30s/40s group, nor another 2030s group.

Nick was right, too. This war killed the group, pretty much.
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| September 8, 2011, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Nick was right, too. This war killed the group, pretty much.

If one believes a war will kill a group, why would one start it? Put your actions where your mouth is, or something like that. Will said the same thing. He also did the same thing. Gee, I wonder if there is a connection?
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| September 8, 2011, 11:26 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
If one believes a war will kill a group, why would one start it? Put your actions where your mouth is, or something like that. Will said the same thing. He also did the same thing. Gee, I wonder if there is a connection?


Quit pointing fingers everywhere. I'm just saying what he told me back during the second war. And it looks like he was right. Still, fun while it lasted.

Some people seem to forget that. Even me, sometimes.
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| September 8, 2011, 11:28 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Quit pointing fingers everywhere. I'm just saying what he told me back during the second war. And it looks like he was right. Still, fun while it lasted.

Some people seem to forget that. Even me, sometimes.

I don't know why we don't get a CM that will just stick it out...

Activity slumps because everyone is waiting for the CR. That's what's killing this group. If Andrew hadn't flipped out, I doubt this would be happening since Erik's load would be half of what it is. The only thing that killed the last group was this group. I said it would happen, and everyone said "Oh, no it won't!" But that would be repeating arguments long dead...

I do have one request, however, can I start out as a mod in the next one? In the last two, I've been promoted anyhow...

Quoting Evan Melick
I dislike setting up past situations, even without the politics of the era. Now, if you allow custom nations as per the way we do in this group, with 1940's or 1980's or w/e technology, that could work. Everyone has to build their own 1940's era equipment, would be cool. However, I'd never actually build any of it. :P

http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/2564 Take a look around, this guy has mastered alternate histories. And yeah, we could do the "Crimson Skies" alternate history for the US...
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| September 8, 2011, 11:35 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
If one believes a war will kill a group, why would one start it? Put your actions where your mouth is, or something like that. Will said the same thing. He also did the same thing. Gee, I wonder if there is a connection?

I started the war? TROLOLOLOLOL.
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| September 8, 2011, 11:40 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

um... I kind of started the war...

well, Finn and I.
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| September 8, 2011, 11:48 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
um... I kind of started the war...

well, Finn and I.

I treat each of these as separate wars.
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| September 8, 2011, 11:51 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I treat each of these as separate wars.

The way I see it, Finn and I were having our quiet little dispute, then you and jake were like "ooh, a war, let's make it bigger!" and joined in, I managed to hold you off, and then Nick who, to be fair I think was glad of the opportunity to fight you joined in on my side, and things really took off from there with uneasy peace and treaties thrown in occasionally which never lasted.

That's my unbiased as possible recount of things.
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| September 9, 2011, 12:06 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
The way I see it, Finn and I were having our quiet little dispute, then you and jake were like "ooh, a war, let's make it bigger!" and joined in, I managed to hold you off, and then Nick who, to be fair I think was glad of the opportunity to fight you joined in on my side, and things really took off from there with uneasy peace and treaties thrown in occasionally which never lasted.

That's my unbiased as possible recount of things.

In all honesty, I think you think too highly of your "Holding me off." I never tried more than a limited air offensive. But yeah, I was never told the full story.
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| September 9, 2011, 12:28 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
In all honesty, I think you think too highly of your "Holding me off." I never tried more than a limited air offensive. But yeah, I was never told the full story.

It was an air and sea offensive, actually.
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| September 9, 2011, 12:34 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
It was an air and sea offensive, actually.

I never got anywhere near you with my fleet, it was all air. I think I still have the orders buried someplace in my FM box, if you want to see them?

I know Awe was under the impression that I was going all out, but that was false.
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| September 9, 2011, 12:37 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
I never got anywhere near you with my fleet, it was all air. I think I still have the orders buried someplace in my FM box, if you want to see them?

nah, you sent cruise missiles at me from your boats.

And it doesn't matter how 'much' you were attacking me, the point is I held you off. end of story.
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| September 9, 2011, 12:40 am
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I started the war.

I manipulated everyone into getting into this fight in the first place. I didn't like Finn being expansionist, so I got Danny in to stop him. I told Ultra I wanted him to stop Danny's "aggression," because then Brendan would have an excuse to take Korea, depriving me of a potential enemy. Then I told Nick that Ultra was a threat to Asia, and asked him to strike Midway, knowing that Ultra would flip pancakes and respond with disproportionate force and never stop until Nick was dead. This would give me an opening to get troops over to America, and destroy Ultra's power on the ground, while looking like an ally just defending a friend. Meanwhile, the Europeans would want in on the action, and they'd attack Spain, forcing me to declare war on them, and give me perfect reason to go on an imperialism spree in East Asia. All the while, my home front is untouched, unlike many other nations. This ensures Chinese dominance in world affairs for centuries to come. My face when: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqyxe1yGzU1qzf32ko1_500.gif

...At least, that's what the textbooks will say in forty years.

>.>
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| September 9, 2011, 12:42 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
nah, you sent cruise missiles at me from your boats.

And it doesn't matter how 'much' you were attacking me, the point is I held you off. end of story.

Wow, you're counting one sub as a whole offensive? I'm sure the crew will be happy to hear you think so highly of their actions. If they weren't dead, that is.

Is it really holding me off if I just stopped attacking? Survived, yes. Held off? That sounds so much like you actually successfully repelled me.

You were never under any threat of actual invasion, though I think you were made aware of that shortly after you skedaddled out of where you are now...
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| September 9, 2011, 12:57 am
Quoting Ultramarine .


If this helps your ego at all, I know that if you had actually focused all your attention on me and yours and my allies backed out, I probably would end up conquered, but with Nick battering you and Brendan killing your ally, Finn, you couldn't focus all your forces on me, which yes was why I held you off until you decided it was pointless and quit bothering the IU.
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| September 9, 2011, 1:07 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan

If this helps your ego at all, I know that if you had actually focused all your attention on me and yours and my allies backed out, I probably would end up conquered, but with Nick battering you and Brendan killing your ally, Finn, you couldn't focus all your forces on me, which yes was why I held you off until you decided it was pointless and quit bothering the IU.

Yeah. Awe can back me up on this, but the option to invade you expired before Jake backed down. But, you have your fantasies, that's all that matters.

If you want to go that way, I was actually the first one to call it quits because I realized I was being lied to.

This conversation is devolving into a flamewar, Ultra out.
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| September 9, 2011, 1:14 am
@ Ultra

Dude, seriously, just stop. stop making your own definition for "held off" just because you cant take the fact that you had one little attack that wosen't 100% effective. If you cant stand the fact that your the "All Powerful Sir Ultra Who Cannot Lose a Battle" then you and your oversized ego can go find another group. No offense, but you tick me off.

@ the rest of the group, I will still be CM.
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| September 9, 2011, 6:11 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
So, the fact this guy can build MOC's in an alternate timeline has any effect on running a group in a pre-planned political scene...how?

I was just showing you a possibility is all.

Quoting Evan Melick
Also, on the topic of "why don't we just pick another CM", please, feel free to suggest someone who is 1) active, and 2) not involved in this war.

I wasn't suggesting that, just saying what we would usually do. Obviously, that does not apply. Again, we could import an outsider to do it. Except the next one would actually have to DO something...
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| September 9, 2011, 1:45 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Evan Melick
So, the fact this guy can build MOC's in an alternate timeline has any effect on running a group in a pre-planned political scene...how?

I was just showing you a possibility is all.

Quoting Evan Melick
Also, on the topic of "why don't we just pick another CM", please, feel free to suggest someone who is 1) active, and 2) not involved in this war.

I wasn't suggesting that, just saying what we would usually do. Obviously, that does not apply. Again, we could import an outsider to do it. Except the next one would actually have to DO something...

Again, if you give Spontaneous the boot, I will galdly CM
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| September 9, 2011, 2:29 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
I treat each of these as separate wars.

Even though they're the same...?
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| September 9, 2011, 6:18 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Even though they're the same...?

Nope. Not the same. After all, for me at least, this third war is decidedly different.
1. It's the USNA's first war.
2. It's a war against all of the continent (except Jack) and it's not all about you.

Right now, the PCU is a secondary threat, quite frankly.

Quoting Evan Melick

I also had a brilliant idea, how about we DON'T threaten or brow-beat the new members right out of the gate? *CoughBrian/CliffeCough* Happened to Connor (Saudi Arabia?) and the newest guy. Look what happened: two active members suddenly stopped showing up...
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| September 9, 2011, 9:05 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
In the case of Brian, he brought that apon himself. He attacked Henry.

Well, I understand that, but Brian jumped on the newest guy, and Cliffe jumped on Cole (actually, Arty did too) pretty hard. In the case of Arty, it was for no reason whatsoever except he was having one of his regular 'fits' where he acts out for no apparent reason like a psycho.

Maybe I should have called it 'bullying.' I think we should try a two-week no bully rule...
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| September 10, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
'I don't think people should bully others'

http://fm.theoffside.com/files/2009/02/wil-smith-serious-face.jpg
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| September 10, 2011, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton

Notice how I actually DID NOT say that?
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| September 10, 2011, 11:16 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Quoting Nick Shelton

Notice how I actually DID NOT say that?

That's basically what you said though. Oh well, not like it matters.
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| September 11, 2011, 12:01 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Cliffe jumped on Cole (actually, Arty did too) pretty hard

explain please?
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| September 11, 2011, 12:10 am
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Quoting C A
explain please?

You're alive! You were about to take out Pakistan or something when Arty went psycho on you. It was weeks before we saw you around here again.
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| September 11, 2011, 12:16 am
Quoting Daniel Holland
@ Ultra

Dude, seriously, just stop. stop making your own definition for "held off" just because you cant take the fact that you had one little attack that wosen't 100% effective. If you cant stand the fact that your the "All Powerful Sir Ultra Who Cannot Lose a Battle" then you and your oversized ego can go find another group. No offense, but you tick me off.

When he conveniently ignores you like he did after you posted this comment, it basically means he has no counter-argument, in other words, that everything you said was true and he can't deny it. Now you'll probably get the silent treatment for a week or two until he feels that everyone has forgotten it.


In other news:
I'm building partly for the PCU now, I guess that means I kind of work for them, like a sub-division of the PCU. I do this because the PCU seems to be the oldest and most legit faction in these themes, and probably with the greatest backstory, and as Awe and Nick have both built hardware for it, Nick said it was cool for me to build for it as well.
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| September 11, 2011, 4:39 am
9-11

Never -forgive- forget.


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| September 11, 2011, 10:13 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
When he conveniently ignores you like he did after you posted this comment, it basically means he has no counter-argument, in other words, that everything you said was true and he can't deny it. Now you'll probably get the silent treatment for a week or two until he feels that everyone has forgotten it.


In other news:
I'm building partly for the PCU now, I guess that means I kind of work for them, like a sub-division of the PCU. I do this because the PCU seems to be the oldest and most legit faction in these themes, and probably with the greatest backstory, and as Awe and Nick have both built hardware for it, Nick said it was cool for me to build for it as well.

Correction:

I said it was fine for you to build PCU-themed creations, but that none of them would be canonized unless Awe and I said so.
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| September 11, 2011, 11:15 am
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PCU is indeed the oldest faction, though it came in more than halfway through RA-CAS-UEN though. Why is it oldest? It's been in every group. And yes, it does have the best backstory. It's on its way to being an independent theme.

>.>

/shameless self-promotion
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| September 11, 2011, 2:21 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
When he conveniently ignores you like he did after you posted this comment, it basically means he has no counter-argument, in other words, that everything you said was true and he can't deny it. Now you'll probably get the silent treatment for a week or two until he feels that everyone has forgotten it.

Or it's completely possible that I didn't see it. But of course, it can't be that, could it? If you'll reread what he said, you'll see that the comment would have gone to moderation, and might not have appeared for an entire day. But, thank you for bringing that comment to my attention, it's helped me make the decision you'll see below...

Quoting Daniel Holland
@ the rest of the group, I will still be CM.

Whatever consideration I might have given to you holding that post is gone. Period. As you know, it takes all parties to agree to a CM change, I'm still holding out for an outsider or the good Dr.

I do have other reasons, and not the least of which is your inability to grasp the limitations of EMP devices (like tactical devices detonated on the surface somehow being able to knock down satellites) or the concept of momentum. Once you took over modding for Will, he started losing. I have no desire for that to be repeated. I also noticed that you failed to understand some rather basic tactics (ref: your 'Glorious' war in Africa; during which you were practically slaughtered outright) and illustrated a preponderance to leave out entire portions of orders because you either didn't understand them or forgot them completely.

I was going to be nice about this and just not respond to you, but I'm not above issuing a nasty comment in return to one.

Thank you kindly for the offer, however.

Quoting Will G.
9-11

Never -forgive- forget.


Indeed.
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| September 11, 2011, 2:29 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
PCU is indeed the oldest faction, though it came in more than halfway through RA-CAS-UEN though. Why is it oldest? It's been in every group. And yes, it does have the best backstory. It's on its way to being an independent theme.

>.>

/shameless self-promotion

We were the first two people to join, and the only two to continue the theme past the first group.
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| September 11, 2011, 2:30 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

Quoting Daniel Holland
@ the rest of the group, I will still be CM.


okay, that is comepletly valid, all I can say is that I have spent much more time here and have a slightly greater grasp on military tactics, also, Matt lost madagascar, I was gone.

But, if you do not see me fit to be CM, its fine, I was just offering a suggestion.
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| September 11, 2011, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Daniel Holland
But, if you do not see me fit to be CM, its fine, I was just offering a suggestion.

And for that, I thank you.
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| September 11, 2011, 7:35 pm
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Quoting Brendan Dore
>.>

Brendonia is older.


Brendonia moved from Greece to Japan. We stayed in one spot.
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| September 11, 2011, 8:28 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
nah, it can't possibly be.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Correction:

I said it was fine for you to build PCU-themed creations, but that none of them would be canonized unless Awe and I said so.

Yeah, I know, I just didn't mention the exact terms and conditions in my previous post. And you both said I could do the MAF-5 if it was good enough...
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| September 11, 2011, 11:32 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, I understand that, but Brian jumped on the newest guy, and Cliffe jumped on Cole (actually, Arty did too) pretty hard. In the case of Arty, it was for no reason whatsoever except he was having one of his regular 'fits' where he acts out for no apparent reason like a psycho.

Iran is my buffer state.

I get twitchy when people try to snuggle up to my buffer states.

Evidence of not being paranoid: the new People's Republic of Uzbekistan.

-=-=-=-=-

In other news: there seems to have been a small leak. Someone broadcast the number sequence 113-25-7926 all over the middle east.

Something very interesting happened in one of those states as a result.

A certain rather large dam appears to have imploded on itself.

Last anyone saw of it, the Nile was happily overflowing its banks and munching up the countryside.

Tom can confirm.
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| September 13, 2011, 12:31 am
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You up and blew the Aswan High Dam? Wow. How can Tom confirm that when Erik is still the CM? Is there something I should know about here...
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| September 13, 2011, 4:12 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
1) I assume you attacked Cliffe via orders sent to the combat mod, so, you can wait until the CR comes out. You can't just blow up someone's infrastructure.

Gee, where was that rule about 2 months ago? >.>
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| September 13, 2011, 4:46 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Uhh, what are you talking about?

...

The two weeks long chases through the demolished buildings and over the dead bodies of my civilians hunting down Alenian agents through my country comes quickly to mind right now. If that wasn't an attack on infrastructure, I don't know what was.
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| September 13, 2011, 7:54 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

I think he means that you're not allowed to make the combat report up on your own; not that you're not allowed to attack infrastructure.

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| September 13, 2011, 8:07 pm
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Quoting henry wang
I think he means that you're not allowed to make the combat report up on your own; not that you're not allowed to attack infrastructure.

Oh. I see. My bad then, thank you for clarifying. Unless it's against the rules to wipe out an entire nation in one day...
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| September 13, 2011, 8:13 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
You up and blew the Aswan High Dam? Wow. How can Tom confirm that when Erik is still the CM? Is there something I should know about here...

Aswan Low Dam, actually, so it doesn't totally write-off Egypt, but it's still a lot of damage.

And as Tom said, yeah, he's not CM now, but he was back then.
Remember when some lowlife put the blueprints for the Macro War Chariot all over the internet? That was the secondary objective for the bomb team. They go in, plant explosives, and nick a War Chariot on their way out.

So this bomb has been quietly sitting there for months, just waiting for Cliffe to get a bit too uppity for his own good.

Or for the group to die. Either or.

Quoting Evan Melick
1) I assume you attacked Cliffe via orders sent to the combat mod, so, you can wait until the CR comes out. You can't just blow up someone's infrastructure.

Actually, I can. There's only so much emergency services can do when a dam suddenly wakes up one morning and decides to go "plooie", with no warning.

Besides, the group's dead anyway.
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| September 16, 2011, 3:15 am
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The USNA RULES!!!!


/Continuing my random posts in dead groups just to keep life interesting.
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| June 21, 2012, 11:34 pm
The Indo Union is back from it's slumber, les go
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| June 21, 2012, 11:38 pm
umad bro?
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| June 22, 2012, 12:15 am
I have to admit it would be interesting to rekindle this group... Only problem is I have no idea who I'm allied with and whom my enemies are, or who is who....
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| June 22, 2012, 12:20 am
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