Quoting Daniel Boone
how do we know where we are at??? I know about where i am since i requested it. But where are the countries? or is this onne of those 'under construction' things?

Quoting Tyro Cook
I plan on expanding directly west into K-63, L-63, and M-63.

Quoting David Cook
hows that overly huge map working?

Quoting Tyro Cook

What do you mean?

Quoting Daniel Boone
Svedakistan will annex C-47, D-47, E-46 and 47, E-44 and 45. and F-43.

Quoting David Cook
slow down a little bit your pretty small still, we all are. annex only 4-5 this time, next time you can annex 6-7, the next time maybe 8.

you probably should push past 8, i wouldn't.

Quoting Daniel Boone
okay, then can you take off C and D 47 please? I'll get those later.

Quoting Terror .
Ugh, there's no way for me to expand. Maybe add a small island, 1 square 5 squears away from me, so I can take it, otherwise, there's no way for me to expand. And my flag: http://mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?id=/user_images/68373/1321804851m

Quoting David Cook
just expand towards the americas, since you have no where else to expand. i wont mind if you do it this time without a sea vessel of any kind since were just staring out.

Quoting Tyro Cook
Seeing as I only expanded 3 squares last time, i wish to expand to k-67 and L-67 to make it an even, well, odd 5. This shouldn't be a problem since i most definitely have aircraft.

Quoting Nemesis º
Allies?

Quoting Subcmdr. Fury
U-30
I-30
Can I take control?

Quoting David Cook
New map is up:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2463/dcgrid.jpg

Quoting Tyro Cook
Not to be a whiner or anything, but i posted that i'd like to annex to A-67 and L-67 before nemesis did, but he has the land on the V-7 map.

Quoting David Cook
sorry, i accedentely gave you the 62s instead of the 67's, i could change it for you but you would have to work out a deal with nemesis, you called it first but if he refuses to move you guys go to war.

Quoting Tyro Cook
This could get complicated seeing as I have an alliance with him. But im sure hed understand since i claimed the land first.

Quoting Nemesis º
Korea is sortof the only place I ever wanted to capture. I would be willing to trade recources, and technology, and wil not expand again.

Quoting David Cook
I have an offer to settle this, maybe you could capture 1 space for him and give it to him after it has been captured.

Quoting Nemesis º
That could work, I would also allow bases in korea.

Quoting Nemesis º
Mertha is expanding into
I69, L67, h70, I70, I 71, H71

Would tyro be willing to purchase some Merthan hovertanks, seeing as were allies?

Quoting Tyro Cook
I would gladly purchase hovertanks. Most of my building is focused on ariel vehicles so If you want any jets, feel free to ask and I'll put your colors on my upcoming Sea Striker.

Quoting Tyro Cook
I would gladly purchase hovertanks. Most of my building is focused on ariel vehicles so If you want any jets, feel free to ask and I'll put your colors on my upcoming Sea Striker.

Quoting Tyro Cook
I would gladly purchase hovertanks. Most of my building is focused on ariel vehicles so If you want any jets, feel free to ask and I'll put your colors on my upcoming Sea Striker.

Quoting Nemesis º
Sure, how about 50 tanks, for 50 jets. My tanks are cutting edge, and would be similar in price to jets. It would take two weeks to finish. The tanks have pressurized reactive armor that can deflect any known missile. Very shock absorbant.

Quoting Commodore Boris
Heres my expansion
50 j, k, L, M.
(Can I expand if my country was just created?)

Quoting Rogue Spartan(AKA Nick Kaelin)
ZD-46
ZE-44
ZE-45
ZE-46
How much can we annex normally? I think it is four a day. If I'm wrong just take away some squares.

Quoting David Cook
its about 3-4 a week for a someone who just started out, and it gets a bit bigger as you nation gets bigger.

Quoting The Mastermind Of Lego
how do i get my flag uploaded?

Quoting Matthew McCall
Shouldn't it be smaller countries get the bonus, not bigger ones? Why give a allready large country a growth bonus? I would think it could result in just a few, massive countries.

Quoting Rogue Spartan(AKA Nick Kaelin)
If you have a tiny shred of land on a square that otherwise is white could you count that entire square yours? Because I have four squares like that.

Quoting Rogue Spartan(AKA Nick Kaelin)
If you have a tiny shred of land on a square that otherwise is white could you count that entire square yours? Because I have four squares like that.

Quoting Commodore Boris
hey.... that means I have more than 22, too!(by rogue spartan's rules) (that isn't meant as an attack on rogue spartan)

Quoting Rogue Spartan(AKA Nick Kaelin)
I'm not talking about the squares that have just shreds of my color, I'm talking about squares that have my color and squares that have some water but count as squares. I have exactly 22. I have counted many times because I could not believe my eyes.

Quoting Rogue Spartan(AKA Nick Kaelin)
Before I post my Expansion coordinates, I want to notify everyone that now I without expanding this week (I did last week though) have 22 squares. I also want to clarify that my ARX Intergalatic Cruiser is my colonization vehicle. If the admins think it's too soon for me to colonize or have some other problem tell me.

Quoting Tyro Cook
I counted 21, but be that as it may, my last large expansion (seeing as im at 33 squares) That also makes Talo a continental superpower right? anyways, K-N 58s, and L-Q 57s

Quoting Commodore Boris

oh, wow, your right, I think I might still be right, too(would you mind giving me a second opinion)

Quoting Rogue Spartan(AKA Nick Kaelin)
Since no admin has responded to my question, I will go ahead and colonize the moon. Here are the coordinates: I-19(moon), I-20(moon), J-19(moon),J-20(moon).

Quoting Matthew McCall
I would think only one space could be claimed, as a single ship really can't claim that much land.

Quoting Tyro Cook
I concur

Quoting Matthew McCall
It would take while to get set up before exspansion could begin. In fact, it might be good if you could only exspand one space per week due to limited resources aviable for exspansion. I wish I could talk to David about this.

Quoting David Cook
I have been offline for a while because my internet was shut off... but, Im back now, so what is this thing were talking about?

Quoting Matthew McCall
That exspansion of the moon should be slower than on Terra, about 1 space a week. Also, I still think the moon should not be terraformed, and instead we should have a plante like mars be terraformed. This would be far more realistic, and allows for a completely different type of battlefield.

Quoting Commodore Boris

it should be slower, definitely. Mars would be good, but its a lot farther away, and would not be as "convenient"

Quoting David Cook
NEXT UPDATE WILL BE POSTED ON: February 2-3, 2012.


Here the nations can give up their movements on the world map.

READ BEFORE POSTING!
A few rules:

LAND
-A nation can annex only one box away from their base of operations, this means they can't go further than 1 box away from their own nations. Nations can annex more than 1 box each 7 days.

AIR
-Once you decide to annex land that is further away from you, your nation can annex via aircraft. This can be 3 boxes away from your country. You can do this this 3 times in each update. You need to wait for the next update to expand from this point. You need a cargo plane/helicopter, dropship or bomber to expand this way.

SEA
-Naval units can expand much farther away from your country. 1-4 boxes takes the time until the next update. These places will be partly annexed by your country in the upcoming update. 5 or more boxes takes two updates. These will be marked with small dots in your nations color. There is a 3 times limit to naval annexation each update. You need to have the naval forces posted in this group to expand this way.

MOON
Expansion on the moon works just like it would on earth. Once your country reaches the size of 22 squares, you can start expanding on the moon. To get to the moon you must have a colonization vehicle, or buy a colonization vehicle from another nation. Once you have one just pick a point on the moon to land. it will take 3 weeks to set up your colony, but you can start expanding after the first week just like you would on earth.

If another country annexes the Landing zone before you, you can do three things:
1.Declare war and launch an invasion
2.Talk with the country to share the land
3.Let your ships turn around


-You can only expand with naval or air units 3 times. Not 3 times each, but 3 times naval, 3 times air, 2 times naval and 1 time air or any combination thereof.

-You need to say your nations coordinates here, otherwise we don't know where your expanding to.


Continental superpowers

At some point nations grow larger and larger. Once they reach 32 squares they become a continental superpower. Because we don't want to have the larger countries overshadow the smaller beginners, these can only expand a limited number of squares each update. Currently that is 4. Continental superpowers are marked in the legend with an asterisk (*) after the countries name, flag and player.
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The newest map: V10

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4206/dcgridmoon.jpg
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Instructions:
When you decide move your forces you must state the coordinates, this can be done quite easily. Name the letter or number, followed by the other letter or number. So like A:10 or 10:A

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FAQ
How do I make a flag?

The flags of your nation is also added to the legenda of the map. You can create your own by using simple computer software like paint. AFter that, post in on MOCpages (this can be with another old or new creation) state the link here and it will be added to the legend maker: Me.

How do you know where a battle takes place?

Once two nations state the same coordinates, One of the moderators will ask the nations wether they attack each other or not.



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The map is still in development, and I will try to update it at least every 7 days. If anything is wrong with the map you can also state that here.

Quoting myles worth
When Will My Country Be Added? Look At Nations, I Posted The 1) 2) 3) 4) Thing.

Quoting Matthew McCall
That exspansion of the moon should be slower than on Terra, about 1 space a week. Also, I still think the moon should not be terraformed, and instead we should have a plante like mars be terraformed. This would be far more realistic, and allows for a completely different type of battlefield.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Myles, you will be added whenever David updates the map. He hasn't been able to be on until today, so that's why updates have taken a while.

Quoting Matthew McCall
The thing is, it is not possible to terraform a moon. Problems like 1/6 gravity, extreme tempature changes, and super long days and nights, are impossible to work around, even assuming you could somehow transport enough water, block solar radiation, and keep the atmosphere from escaping.

Quoting David Cook
There is the dream to terraform the Moon, giving it an atmosphere. Those who think that the Moon's gravity is too little to hold a dense atmosphere, should compare with one of Saturn's moons, Titan. It has a nitrogen atmosphere (98%, compare to 80% for Earth), where the atmospheric pressure on ground level is one and a half times larger(!) than on Earth, while Titan's gravity (0.14 G) is lower than our moon's gravity (0.165 G). Surely, Titan is very cold and thus the gas molecules move so slow that they can't escape?
A Moon atmosphere would be much warmer, but then look at Venus, that has about the same size and gravity as Earth, but at surface level a 90 times higher atmospheric pressure and at a very high temperature (400 °C - lead would melt in it). Hence, there is no sure reason to assume that our moon cannot hold a dense atmosphere. The situations on Titan and Venus show that there is a good chance. In fact, it isn't known what mechanisms actually hold a planet's atmosphere; clearly, temperature and gravity are not the only factors. Possibly the way in which an atmosphere was formed, has great significance also.

Need more? go to:
http://www.lunar-union.org/ (where I got the above statement)
http://www.terraformthemoon.com/blog/
There are other theoretical proof sites, but i dont have the patience to track then all down.

cool your derogatory adjective that is another word for fecal matter.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Titan is a bad example, as it is the only known moon in the universe to have an atmosphere. The reason it has one is because of how truely massive it is(It's larger than some planets, and much larger than the moon. And like I have said, having an atmosphere does not equal teraformed.

I don't understand what you mean by derogatory adjective.

Quoting David Cook
what starts with "sh" and ends with "it"?

Quoting Matthew McCall
Who said that word?

Quoting Commodore Boris
tell you what, lets just say the moon is colonised and terraformed, and drop it, lets not tank this group

Quoting Matthew McCall
How about we say mars is terraformed, and the moon isn't. We could still travel to mars, and the moon would offering a unique combat enviroment.

Quoting Matthew McCall
How about we say mars is terraformed, and the moon isn't. We could still travel to mars, and the moon would offering a unique combat enviroment.

Quoting The Mastermind of Lego
yes i think its a great idea. lets stop arguing over this moon thing

Quoting Matthew McCall
The existing moon map could just be called the mars map, and a new map that is just a pure grid could be made for the moon. It probably doesn't need as many grid spaces though, since it is smaller.

Quoting The Mastermind of Lego
awesome idea. sounds good to me

Quoting David Cook
Im sorry about how sketchy i have been with keeping on track with the group, but things gave been going really weird around my house to say the least, so Im asking that McCall run the group and apoint someone else to help him with it at least for now, as I can't get the map done on time every week. I don't wan't this group to fail and it looks like it will do a very good gob, but i need help to run it.

the new map:
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4206/dcgridmoon.jpg

Quoting Matthew McCall
Unless anyone else volunteers, then Commander Borris will chosen. He is active enough, and I think he would do a good job.

Quoting Matthew McCall
To answer everyone's questions, Admins have to make decisions, but it really isn't that hard of a job.

Quoting Matthew McCall
To answer everyone's questions, Admins have to make decisions, but it really isn't that hard of a job.

Quoting Tyro Cook
Seeing as Talo is over 32 squares, it is an international superpower, so when the movements are added, remember to put an asterisk by it. Also, this means that i may only move four spaces now. One more thing too, if it isn't too much trouble, could the mapmaker change my name from just Talo, to The Republic of Talo? It would be much appreciated. Now for my expansion:
O-63
P-61
Q-61
Q-62

Quoting Matthew McCall
Exspansion:
J-15,16
K-16
L-15,16

Naval exspansion:
V-49

Quoting Matthew McCall
I could try to change the name. I haven't figured out how, since so far I can only get it as a picture.

On another note, nothing personal, but you need to fix your stats. This is non-negotiable. Check out my stats, this is about the max numbers of certain vehicle type a person could have by now. Also, I notice a good amount of your creations appear to be non-existent. It's fine to add a creation if it's work in progress and you plan to add it soon, but just making up vehicles and then never building them is cheating. It is impossible to judge the "creation's" combat effectiveness, so this practice is not allowed.

Quoting Commodore Boris the active one
N hold on a minute, this is a Lego website. Not an imagination one. You should really have to at least have creations in progress before you create them

Quoting Tyro Cook
I find it a waste of time to upload wip. pics, so i'll mark the vehicles i'm working on with an asterisk and put dashes by the ones I also plan to build.

Quoting Commodore Boris the active one
Alright

Quoting Matthew McCall
The thing is, how can they be used in a war if it is impossible to judge how good the creation is? And what is the point of building if you can just say you have a whole military from the start?

Quoting Tyro Cook

Did I ever say that i was using my unbuilt vehicles in battle?

Quoting Matthew McCall
The map has been updated, and can be found here: http://mocpages.com/moc.php/279019

Quoting Matthew McCall
The map has been updated, and can be found here: http://mocpages.com/moc.php/279019

Quoting Matthew McCall
Sorry about how long the update took. I can fix that stuff, and might even be able to add the moon!

Quoting Rogue Spartan
YAY!!! With 33 squares including the orbital satellite that counts as a square, Gorduum is a continental superpower! Here is my expansion: I-18(moon), ZF-48(earth), ZG-42(earth), and ZG-48(earth).

Quoting Vallkirimrl (preivously C. Boris)
I own Borduria

Quoting Garret Gasper
I don't see the Legion State anywhere on the map

Quoting Matthew McCall
Map Update: http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=279019&id=/user_images/76595/1336621154m

Quoting Michael Rutherford
Mr. McCall,
DCHC has reviewed the Disposition Chart and everything appears to be in order. (The DC Geospatial Cartography division has placed an order for 50K toner cartridges in our new map color).

DCHC is currently attempting to establish our actual military strength, and is preparing to conduct peace keeping operations in any one of several nearby "Lawless Regions".

How often do you update the map? Should I wait until a certain day of the week to announce intent to annex territory?

Also, reccomend you reduce the number of earth maps floating around. right now, there are THREE maps of the earth.
1. Blank map on home page.
2. Link to "Current map on home page.
3. Link to the map you just published in this thread. (all three maps are different).

Reccomend you replace the blank map with the correct current map. The blank map helps nobody. It offers no information, so replace it with the current map. Then you can get rid of the link to the "Current map" on the home page, because the current map will arlready be right there.

If you are the "Map Keeper General", then you will only have ONE MAP to worry about. Right now, with three different versions flaoting around, there could be confusion and eventually, it could lead to the dreaded "Map Drama".

Just a reccomendation.


As always, I thank you for the rapid update!
Field Marshal Rutherford
DCHC
Commanding.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Ok, the map has been getting updated about once a month, but I could do one every 1-2 weeks. Per week, you can annex up to 3 spaces of white land, starting as soon as you want. I suppose it would be a good idea to tidy up the maps.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Ok, the map has been getting updated about once a month, but I could do one every 1-2 weeks. Per week, you can annex up to 3 spaces of white land, starting as soon as you want.

FLASH / FLASH / FLASH
Priority Transmission
From: DAS CAPITOL HIGH COMMAND
To: D&C ruling committee
Strategic Deployment Report Follows:

DAS CAPITOL annexes the following grid squares:
38, 39, and 40 Lima (Earth Map)

One Standard Legion and one Mobility Legion Armada will seize each of these grid squares. Once objectives are secure and all defensive preparations are complete, Legions will begin coordination with the civilian leadership of the local populous for the construction of court houses, schools, hospitals, water purification plants, religious worship centers, and civilian police garrisons.

Martial Law and a complete media blackout will remain in effect across these grid squares until such time as the D&C ruling committee has updated the Global Disposition Chart, signifying that these territories are formally under DC control. At that time, all civilian occupants of these territories will be declared citizens of DAS CAPITOL and will fall under the full protection of Capitol Law.

Capitol Justice!
Capitol Honor!
Capitol Victory!

Field Marshal Rutherford
DCHC
Commanding

Transmission Ends...

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Quoting Matthew McCall
Ok, the map has been getting updated about once a month, but I could do one every 1-2 weeks. Per week, you can annex up to 3 spaces of white land, starting as soon as you want. I suppose it would be a good idea to tidy up the maps.

Quoting Michael Rutherford

DC annexes 38, 39 and 40 LIMA. Can you confirm?

Quoting Matthew McCall
You're good to go.

Quoting †he Mas†ermind øƒ £ego™
My expansion:

G=52/53
H=54
I=54
J=54

*I noticed that my 3/19 expansion wasn't placed on the map. If possible, please fix it Matthew McCall, but if not I'll just go with this one.

Quoting †he Mas†ermind øƒ £ego™
Please reply Matthew: will you add my previous expansion you forgot to add on the new map, or should I just expand more this time? Falador was not expanded on the map.

Quoting Matthew McCall
I'll fix it, but feel free to remind me in your new exspansion.

Quoting Matthew McCall
I'll fix it, but feel free to remind me in your new exspansion.

Quoting Tyro Cook

Another question too, I had an alliance with Andora, but by your rules wouldn't it officially be an NPC? If so I would like to establish a Talian hold on Andora, or basically send over troops and reinforcements to hold the territory. If David ever returns I would gladly give Andora back to him. I just feel like my alliance is useless now unless I am able to have access to andora. Tell me what you think Matt.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Perhaps, but I don't think he should be able to produce anything he doesn't allready have in his stats.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Perhaps, but I don't think he should be able to produce anything he doesn't allready have in his stats.

Quoting Michael Rutherford
Tyro wants, and I quote:

"to establish a Talian hold on Andora"

Looks like the perfect opportunity to test the new NPC status to me...

Quoting Vallkirimrl (preivously C. Boris)
YOU DON'T NEED ANDORA!
Anyways.....things look bad for this war

Quoting Tyro Cook

I don't need a Porsche 911 Turbo, but do I want one? Yes!

Quoting Vallkirimrl (preivously C. Boris)
Since when was a Porsche 911 Turbo not a necessity? :P

Quoting Michael Rutherford

So will he control Andora as a puppet country as well.

It's a classic grab for power, and it should be blocked.

One player now controlling 3 countries?

One player deciding what three countries build?

One player deciding who they fight?

It would be in fact, one mega-country. The colors on the map begin to matter less and less.

I would advise that you stick to a "One player one country" rule.

I mean, there may have been an alliance between the two countries in the past, but when a leader abandons the game...that should be it. The country should in fact become an NPC.

If Tyro covets the lands and peoples of Andora, let him dip his hands in their blood and take it by force!

This is becoming an increasingly tangled system.

Quoting Tyro Cook


This alliance between Mertha, Talo, and Andora was created when the game began, and that was my only alliance. Vanguard then gave me control of the Merthan military because he was busy with another group. Eventually Vanguard himself stated that Mertha would become a part of Talo but he would still produce arms for Talo, so I refer to the old country of mertha as the Merthan province. David Cook, leader of Andora and the founder of this group sank into inactivity, and I lost both my allies.Therefore, since Andora would technically be an NPC, I'm taking control of it without war or bloodshed because NPC or not it is still my ally. That's the difference. I am allied with Andora which would allow me the right to step in peacefully when it becomes an NPC, whereas if I tried to take control of the RNA, I would be unable to, as it isn't in an alliance with me. If I take control of andora, It simply means that I would annex for it and back up its military while still maintaining its production strictly of Andoran vehicles, savvy?

Quoting Tyro Cook

I don't need a Porsche 911 Turbo, but do I want one? Yes!

Quoting Michael Rutherford
Tyro to English Online Dictionary:

Tyronian: “Vanguard gave me control of the Merthan military because he was busy with another group.”

English: Vanguard abandoned his nation, and I absorbed his territory and forces without combat.

Tyronian: “the founder of this group sank into inactivity”

English: “He abandoned his nation”

Tyronian: “I'm taking control of it without war or bloodshed”

English: “ I absorb his territory and forces without combat”

Tyronian: ”If I take control of andora, It simply means that I would annex”

English: Oh wait, no translation needed on that one.

Das Capitol puts it before the members of the D&C ruling committee: To allow this land grabbing to continue is the same as following a policy of appeasement. The tyrant will only be emboldened. Can you really expect to achieve “peace in our time”?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

This debate illustrates perfectly, the desperate need for clear detailed rules and lists regarding the CORRECT status of NPCs.
Do not let the NPC become the “Free Growth Zone” for tyrants and greedy stewards!

Attack!

Quoting Vallkirimrl (preivously C. Boris)
Its not like he is unnopposed, there is actually a war in the making between him and several others. Methra was actually given to Tyro by vanguard. So thats a little different.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Tyro is a neat guy, and Mertha was directly given to him, with Vanguard still producing stuff, but I agree, Andora is different.

Quoting Vallkirimrl (preivously C. Boris)
Judging from Davids page, die hard resistance would be likely if things were to turn sour. I think we should limit this to active duty Talian troops present in the country, for defense purposes only

I don't believe this is a case of tyro throwing his weight around, more like our failure to throw our weight around.

Quoting Michael Rutherford

Boris, think about what this would mean:
Iit's OK to be an NPC ... if you happen to be David.

Look, David founded the group, I get that. But how can we talk about one set of NPC rules for the group, and then make different rules for another group member (even if he is the founder)? Walking away from the game should put your nation at risk right? I mean, everybody seems to agree with that view in other threads. You walk and it’s over.

Leaders have to live by the same rules as everybody else (I am assuming you want a fair system, if you don’t, then my point is totally irrelevant).

Maybe the conclusion here is that NPC status does not matter at all? Maybe the committee should simply decide that NPCs are just like normal nations. If attacked the CM will act as the steward and they defend at full strength. (Lame, but at least the rule would be consistent)

But to say on one thread: NPCs are "pathetic little countries" and then to turn around and say in effect "But it’s different for Dave" is simply an inconsistent (read "weak") enforcement of standards.

But remember, that the NPC topic is really only half the issue here. The main point is that group members are inactive and leaving because:

1. There are no real rules.
2. The map doesn't reflect reality.
3. The leadership rarely answers questions.
4. The leadership is mostly focused on preparations for their own private conflict.

These issues are really the main point of this discussion.

You (AKA Stalin) are preparing to oppose Tyro (AKA the German fellow with the funny mustache). That’s great, but really not the point. I'm glad you guys are preparing a lovely private war, but I joined to run a nation of my own. As a group member though, I would like to think that we are all governed by the same rules (again, I am fixated on fairness… maybe it’s a character flaw)

The point is that you guys are treating the whole group as nothing more than extra props in your own private game.

There are other countries, with other agendas, who want to have their own wars... but the group leadership pretty much treats them like "outsiders". You and Tyro know that four of the largest countries in the world are actually all run by just two guys, and you could care less that nobody else knows it. Don’t you think that kind of matters?

Why did Floyd leave yesterday? Heck, why should he stay? No group leadership ever spoke to him. Ever asked him a question. Ever encouraged him. You guys are to busy telling the group how awesome your own forces are and how great "your" upcoming war is going to be.

You guys have a good group, and it has vast potential. But you treat most of the group members with indifference.

Boris, you said: "I don't believe this is a case of tyro throwing his weight around, more like our failure to throw our weight around."

I think you are really close to the target with this comment.

It's not that the committee needs to throw it's weight around. The committee just needs to lead!

1. ANSWER questions from group members quickly and correctly.
2. PUBLISH and review CLEAR and FAIR rules.

3. ENSURE data needed by all the group members to play the game is UP TO DATE.

It's not that I have any right to walk into your group and tell you how to run things (In fact, I really don't).

But IF you have a public group, and IF you accept new members form the MOCpages public, THEN you should address their needs when they join the group and want to play the game.

Right now, you guys run D&C like a private group. You really don't care if anybody who joins knows what’s going on. You have your ADMIN and MOD badges, and your job titles, but you just pursue your own private agendas.

It's like having an OPEN sign in a restaurant window, but when people come in to eat, you guys just stay in the kitchen and eat your own supper.

If everything I am saying sounds like crazy talk, (Like: Who is this guy anyways?) then maybe you should consider making the group private.

I think the group could be very cool, and I would love to play the game. I am more aggressive in pursuing information than most people. I want you guys and this group to succeed, but you should take your selves more seriously. You all have jobs in the group, and those jobs are not getting done. Most new group members would have walked (or more likely simply "sunk into inactivity") by now. But I really want to see this group in action.

What say you?

Quoting Matthew McCall
The reason David's country isn't pathetic is because it still retains his large stats of high-quality creations. Sure, he can't attack, but at least unlike most NPCs he actually has a military. Besides that, you have good points and a revised rule set is obviously needed. I actually like your criticism, as I think it is needed. It's nice to have an adults oppinion of the rules, which obviously aren't perfect.

Quoting Michael Rutherford
Is this the D&C combat system in action?

A guy just says: "we quickly assumed control and suffered minimal losses"... and then POOF! It happens?

The nation you attacked is almost half as big as yours! Don't you think that would require a major effort? It's not just pearl harbor, or 911 we are talking about here! This would require a massive effort and long time to finish.

Is the TAN guy an NPC?

How do you know?

Who has identified him as such?

If he is an NPC how did you resolve the combat?

Isn't D&C in the middle of trying to decide how NPC battles are resolved?

Is he a player nation?

Where is the appointed COMBAT MODERATOR?

Where is the required COMBAT REPORT?

Was anybody other than you involved in this decision (the part where you decide you win I mean)?

Really guys ... is this the full extent of your so called system?

If this is the way it's done, than there is no system at all.

It's pure chaos.

Is there a COMBAT MODERATOR in the house?

Quoting Vallkirimrl (preivously C. Boris)

A word on the war, It's not just me and Tyro, It's everyone that's active minus you, that’s why we all care.

And about David, what I said about NPCs was a generalization, they retain there forces, Andora just happens to be pretty much the only one with a military worth anything.

Quoting Michael Rutherford
Is this the D&C combat system in action?

A guy just says: "we quickly assumed control and suffered minimal losses"... and then POOF! It happens?

The nation you attacked is almost half as big as yours! Don't you think that would require a major effort? It's not just pearl harbor, or 911 we are talking about here! This would require a massive effort and long time to finish.

Is the TAN guy an NPC?

How do you know?

Who has identified him as such?

If he is an NPC how did you resolve the combat?

Isn't D&C in the middle of trying to decide how NPC battles are resolved?

Is he a player nation?

Where is the appointed COMBAT MODERATOR?

Where is the required COMBAT REPORT?

Was anybody other than you involved in this decision (the part where you decide you win I mean)?

Really guys ... is this the full extent of your so called system?

If this is the way it's done, than there is no system at all.

It's pure chaos.

Is there a COMBAT MODERATOR in the house?

Quoting PALADIN .
To answer your question, the country is an NPC, I don't think CMs are necesarry for NPC battles, and even the guy who controlled the country didn't add any creations, so yeah, I basically can defeat the NPC in hours.

Quoting PALADIN .
To answer your question, the country is an NPC, I don't think CMs are necesarry for NPC battles, and even the guy who controlled the country didn't add any creations, so yeah, I basically can defeat the NPC in hours.

Quoting Matthew McCall
Basically what would happen is that all NPC units would be defeated, and you would force the gverment to surrendor. However, I decree that a restistance has formed in the NPC that opposes your rule. This means the war is not truely over and extends it to a more realsitic length.

Quoting Michael Rutherford


Tyro: short for tyrant.

The tyrant displays an insatiable appetite for the lands of others.

This tyrant, like many despots before him, has amassed a vast empire not by direct military action, nor by adept trading nor by jihad.

He quietly takes ownership of countries when their leaders abandon the game.

This is his main strategy, and it accounts for most of his countries actual growth.

The fact that he is an ADMIN only re-enforces his power and influence over this process.

If you allow players to “give” their countries over to their buddies, you will be hopelessly skewing the strategic nature of the game.

It is not a random fact that the word “Conquer” is in the title of the group. How interesting would the game be if the name was: “Divide and Give Everything to Your Buddy When You Quit”. Not interesting at all, really.

In fact, it would be decidedly dull for players who don’t have well landed, faint hearted, generous buddies as allies.

Tyro, look beyond your desire to collect countries like they were sports cars (your words actually…) and look at what makes THE GAME BETTER for the rest of the group. That is what effective ADMINs do. They look at the group, take advice from others (like other members of the ruling committee for example), and then they make tough decisions.

This group is stalled, and shrinking. Mr. Floyd left D&C today. Did you notice Tyro? Did you ask him why? I think a large part of why this group is dying is that you are more worried about grabbing land than in helping group members with their questions or even helping your fellow group leaders with their challenges (like the map for example).

Your pretty quick to say the map is not your responsibility if somebody else has a question, but you know all about the map when it comes to your countries needs. Not a very objective ADMIN. But typical of a tyrant.

http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=19396&topicid=79741

I’m not a boss in this group, and you can give me the boot if I’m ruining the dance. But Tyro is throwing his weight around, and that’s all there is to it.

Attack!

Quoting Vallkirimrl (preivously C. Boris)
Timing was very bad, slow it down a little though? Your troops still need to drive everywhere.

Quoting Tyro Cook


I believe you should be informed before you come into a group and throw out accusations. Tyro is not short for tyrant. My name is Tyler Robert, so those are the first two initials of my first and middle name. My main landmass as it appears on the map currently was all obtained through the rules of the game. I am one of the big reasons this group is still around, as I've brought it out of major inactivity twice. I was made an admin by Matthew McCall because I'm highly active and involved within this group. And in case you don't recall, when you first joined this group I answered all of your questions and told you how to establish your country. I say the map is not my responsibility because when David left, he gave the map file to Matthew McCall, and I have no means of editing it, otherwise I would. To answer another one of your questions, the reason so many of the mainly active people are involved in the war and are in positions of authority is because they are the only people left to do anything. People didn't become inactive because of the leadership not paying attention to them, most of them stopped coming to the group within a week of joining, and the powerful nations you see now have arisen because we are the only ones who have been active since the groups inception. I am personally insulted by your false accusations, as very little of it is true. I am not some power crazed tyrant as you make me out to be. I very seldom refuse to answer group members questions and I am friendly to the group members for the most part. Stop turning my word around! I mean what I say and say what I mean. As an adult, I assumed you'd be above that.....I await your rebuttal.

Quoting Garret Gasper
Micheal Just out of curiosity if you aren't happy with the group or the way it is run why are you bothering to try to change it. I will admit that yes the rules need to be clarified but to get that to happen you don't need to attack the admins. You could just ask for clarification or suggest that they redo them, but instead you attack Tyro and honestly that is all I have seen you do from you joining the group.

Quoting Michael Rutherford


Mr. Gasper,

In answer to your first question, I am trying to change it to make it better. That is what active members in public groups often do. They ask questions, and make recommendations. Look at your question backwards: "If you are unhappy with the way the group is run, they WHY WOULDN'T you try to change it?

I have been turning up the volume slowly since I joined the group. If you read all of my postings (not really recommended unless you have trouble sleeping) you will see that in the beginning, my tone was much quieter. But after asking and asking and asking and the answers never coming, I began to speak louder.

In the mean time, the Admins:

who don’t have time to fix the map
who don’t have time to make a ruling
who don’t have time to answer a question

all have time to gobble up map squares from NPCs for free and argue with one another about who has 4 million troops and who has 3 million troops.

So the next logical question would be: Well, if I don't like it, why don't I quit?

Frankly, quitters quit. I didn't join the group to quit.

I joined to play. It is a public group, and I want to play. Well, you can't play if you don't know the rules (just between you and me though... I don't think most of the rules even exist).

So, instead of quitting, I will try to improve the game with recommendations and observations. Some people are going to resent this. It makes them look bad.

They will get hurt feelings, and begin to ignore me. After all, I am not an ADMIN, not a MOD, so it's not as if I can stop anybody from doing anything.

But here is a fact: All of the questions I have asked have to do with "How to play the game". They are actually pretty good questions. They are clear, and often they are accompanied by specific recommendations.

The fact is, that I want to play a game called Divide and Conquer. Not a game called "We know the rules and you don't".

Let me ask you a question Mr. Gasper: What bad questions have I asked?

What bad recommendations have I made?

And how many of my questions have been answered? and how many of my recommendations have been implemented.

The group is basically stuck in the muck. Most of the members (66%)are inactive. That is not healthy, and my goal is to increase the participation level.

Bad goal, or good goal.
What do you think?

Quoting Michael Rutherford


Mr. Gasper,

In answer to your first question, I am trying to change it to make it better. That is what active members in public groups often do. They ask questions, and make recommendations. Look at your question backwards: "If you are unhappy with the way the group is run, they WHY WOULDN'T you try to change it?

I have been turning up the volume slowly since I joined the group. If you read all of my postings (not really recommended unless you have trouble sleeping) you will see that in the beginning, my tone was much quieter. But after asking and asking and asking and the answers never coming, I began to speak louder.

In the mean time, the Admins:

who don’t have time to fix the map
who don’t have time to make a ruling
who don’t have time to answer a question

all have time to gobble up map squares from NPCs for free and argue with one another about who has 4 million troops and who has 3 million troops.

So the next logical question would be: Well, if I don't like it, why don't I quit?

Frankly, quitters quit. I didn't join the group to quit.

I joined to play. It is a public group, and I want to play. Well, you can't play if you don't know the rules (just between you and me though... I don't think most of the rules even exist).

So, instead of quitting, I will try to improve the game with recommendations and observations. Some people are going to resent this. It makes them look bad.

They will get hurt feelings, and begin to ignore me. After all, I am not an ADMIN, not a MOD, so it's not as if I can stop anybody from doing anything.

But here is a fact: All of the questions I have asked have to do with "How to play the game". They are actually pretty good questions. They are clear, and often they are accompanied by specific recommendations.

The fact is, that I want to play a game called Divide and Conquer. Not a game called "We know the rules and you don't".

Let me ask you a question Mr. Gasper: What bad questions have I asked?

What bad recommendations have I made?

And how many of my questions have been answered? and how many of my recommendations have been implemented.

The group is basically stuck in the muck. Most of the members (66%)are inactive. That is not healthy, and my goal is to increase the participation level.

Bad goal, or good goal.
What do you think?

Quoting Garret Gasper
I never said your questions where bad. Most of them where good and needed to be answered, but I will also remind you that the majority of the people who play D@C are students.(I myself am a Senior in High School) It is the time for finals, prom, College preparations. I myself haven't had a moment of free time until today to jump into this conversation. I have been reading through it from the beginning. At first you where very polite but when tyro asked if he could take over command of David's land to make sure no one took it you immediately started accusing him of admin abuse. All the guy did was ask the other admins and moderators if they cared. Valk did raise an objection as did you. But you automatically assumed that it was a grab for power. I will not argue it wasn't but the way you attacked him you made it look like he was in complete control over this group. You make it look like Tyro is in charge when in reality Leadership of the group is split between Mathew, Valk, and Tyro. And admittedly from the outside it does look like this is a private war between all of the admins but as it sits right now they are the only ones besides you and me who are active or care about the group. Tyro did try to improve the activity in this group just recently. His attempts where what made this group interesting to me so I decided to join. The 66% rate of inactivity still remains that 1/3rd of the group is active and in my opinion this game is similar to the board game RISK. Now would you rather play risk with 4, 10, or 40 people? An increase in activity would be great but people to have lives outside of this game. This may be my personal opinion and you may not share it. and as for the non existent rules. I will say a few have been pushed but Matthew does an amazing job of making sure that they don't get pushed to terms of absolutely absurd. Now that being said Can we kindly leave any name calling out of further conversations. I ask this as a member of the group who would rather not see immature tendencies appear in serious talk(I am referring to the way you address Tyro). The people here are all friends who enjoy playing this game. I would rather not watch that be ruined at all.

If I have left anything unanswered I apologize and it just needs to be pointed out

Quoting Michael Rutherford
Oh,

my responce to "the mastermind of Lego" is stuck in moderation.

Quoting †he Mas†ermind øƒ £ego™
thanks for getting my name right. I'll get your comment through.

Quoting Michael Rutherford

Mr. †he Mas†ermind øƒ £ego,

It just doesn't flow off the keyboard like maybe ... TMOL?

Quoting †he Mas†ermind øƒ £ego™
thanks for getting my name right. I'll get your comment through.

Quoting †he Mas†ermind øƒ £ego™
unfortunately, for some reason, I am unable to let your reply through. Perhaps the others Mods or Administrators will help with that.

Quoting Michael Rutherford

It's late here (2055hrs) I will head for the house, and maybe repost tomorrow.

Quoting PALADIN .
Ok. To clear things up with you, Michael. First of all, I HAVE territory bordering the country. Second, if you check older comments, you'll see that I've announced that I've been massing troops on my borders. Third, if you check my creations, you'll see I am capable of overrunning that country in a week, if a day is too fast. I can simply start launching ICBMs from my cruisers and turn major citites or bases to slag. Lastly, I said that the southeastern part is still free and resisting. I hope this clears things up, and I apologise if it sounds rude.