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Hi guys..... I was wondering how many time do you rebuild you creations ?? I mean, i destroyed again the rear of my new vulcan ship because not stable, not beautiful blablabla, but please tell me that it is normal....
How do you start your creations ? You have a drawed design ? you allready know what you gonna do ? Plans ? I'm lost with this ship !!!! That why this stupid question.... Thanks
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| May 13, 2010, 5:18 pm
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Well, my ship Dynonochus was knocked off it's stand one night by a cat. For about a week I was in denial... it had taken me a month to build it. I kept a journal on what was done each day, and how many hours daily. I then one day decided to look at it like a plane crash and investigate it. While to most people, it was a complete loss, but I knew every part of it intimately. I bought more bricks and made it better.
I guess I'm what they call a recycler. I've built 12 ships over the years over 3 foot long. Each one got bigger and all I learned from the last one helped with the new one.
As for my designs, I pride myself in building the ships in such a way that I can pick them up and they will not break. (This gets harder the bigger they get, lol.) So, my first concern is structure. After that, it's all from my imagination.
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| May 19, 2010, 5:10 am
Quoting Zac Lowing
Well, my ship Dynonochus was knocked off it's stand one night by a cat. For about a week I was in denial... it had taken me a month to build it. I kept a journal on what was done each day, and how many hours daily. I then one day decided to look at it like a plane crash and investigate it. While to most people, it was a complete loss, but I knew every part of it intimately. I bought more bricks and made it better.
I guess I'm what they call a recycler. I've built 12 ships over the years over 3 foot long. Each one got bigger and all I learned from the last one helped with the new one.
As for my designs, I pride myself in building the ships in such a way that I can pick them up and they will not break. (This gets harder the bigger they get, lol.) So, my first concern is structure. After that, it's all from my imagination.

Well !! Thank you Zac !! I started a new structure more solid and you'r right... my imagination came back and the depression goes off because more trust for the final result... but I can not be a recycler !!! and if the same story happened to me with a cat..... I kill him !!!! (that's why I don't have cat).
Anyway, when I watch your Dynonochus (AMAZING!!!)..... I don't understand the structure.... Metal ? strong lego ? do you make like Marc, a piece of wood inside ?
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| May 19, 2010, 6:26 am
As I said to Marc: DONT USE METAL NOR WOOD !
You can build a strong AND light structure using technic bricks.
One day I should formalize instructions on how to do that as I spent hours developing these technics.
For your info, I moved 2 years ago and I have been able to climb the stairs carying the orion rizing with the help of a friend with almost zero dammage to the ship. A real test for the structural integrity of the ship...
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| June 2, 2010, 9:30 am
Quoting steve emmenegger
As I said to Marc: DONT USE METAL NOR WOOD !
You can build a strong AND light structure using technic bricks.
One day I should formalize instructions on how to do that as I spent hours developing these technics.
For your info, I moved 2 years ago and I have been able to climb the stairs carying the orion rizing with the help of a friend with almost zero dammage to the ship. A real test for the structural integrity of the ship...

I agree with you... I don't use wood or metal, one of my plaisir is to make a TOTAL lego construction. It makes me think somme different ways for a big and solid structure. Mine was destroy again yesterday !!!! without climbing stairs !!! just in moving it !!!! So now, I'm gonna change everything.... The difficult thing is that I use a lot and a lot of 2x1 brick for having round line.....
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| June 2, 2010, 10:57 am
Quoting christophe corthay
I agree with you... I don't use wood or metal, one of my plaisir is to make a TOTAL lego construction. It makes me think somme different ways for a big and solid structure. Mine was destroy again yesterday !!!! without climbing stairs !!! just in moving it !!!! So now, I'm gonna change everything.... The difficult thing is that I use a lot and a lot of 2x1 brick for having round line.....

Your vulcan ship is really impressive but to me your main issue is to consider the hull as the main structure of your ship. If I were you, I would build a solid structure first and then "stick" the round hull onto that structure.
This is the way I do it and this is also the way real stuff is constructed.
Hope this will help

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| August 6, 2010, 4:46 am
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While the base I made for my biggest ship is metal, I have held it up on it's own from the center of gravity. It's not easy, and I didn't do it long, but structurally, it is strong. Back when I built it, they didn't have many long pieces, but I did have a selection of fairly long green base plates. By using those as a base, and building what I call a weaved pyramid structure, it is similar to a cantilever bridge. It's not a four sided pyramid, but 3 layers thick, long walls that build to the top center. By weaving I mean that you make sure no two bricks end next to eachother. The base has two motors that pull cables attached to the bottom of the support plate and through simple remote switches, I can tilt it side to side and end to end. I had it at a Sci-Fi convention once and would pose it in an dynamic position and wait for people to walk up and look at it... and then tilt it towards them, LOL, so many people freaked out thinking it was falling over!
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| December 12, 2010, 10:23 pm
Quoting Zac Lowing
While the base I made for my biggest ship is metal, I have held it up on it's own from the center of gravity. It's not easy, and I didn't do it long, but structurally, it is strong. Back when I built it, they didn't have many long pieces, but I did have a selection of fairly long green base plates. By using those as a base, and building what I call a weaved pyramid structure, it is similar to a cantilever bridge. It's not a four sided pyramid, but 3 layers thick, long walls that build to the top center. By weaving I mean that you make sure no two bricks end next to eachother. The base has two motors that pull cables attached to the bottom of the support plate and through simple remote switches, I can tilt it side to side and end to end. I had it at a Sci-Fi convention once and would pose it in an dynamic position and wait for people to walk up and look at it... and then tilt it towards them, LOL, so many people freaked out thinking it was falling over!

OK I see..... but when you want to make something big and thin like a string ??? Steve gave me a solution for the half round walls but it is difficult to "hide"... I found that I need minimum three "slice" of brick to to be a minimum strong... and now it seems to be ok. I'l see with the weight now.
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| December 13, 2010, 1:54 am
Christophe, I started off with a 'technical drawing' of my MOC. I stumbled across it on the web and it was love at first sight. As most of the text on the drawing, and website, was in Russian I believe it was a fan's artistic impression of the Doomgiver based upon the ship in the video game Jedi Outcast.

I did a bit more searching and found some more details on the Wookieepedia site and a few videos on Youtube. Not much to go on. I then based the entire MOC on what I thought was the most important scalable aspect of the whole ship, the pods, and scaled the rest of it from there.

I originally thought about making the pods 6x6 (width), but the size of the ship would have been ridiculously big. I was tempted though! In the end, I plumped for 4x4 pods, and this made the ship 169 studs long.

To answer your questions, rebuild, not very often for the overall structure, if at all. There is an incredibly strong underlying shape on my MOC that is an excellent core structure to start with.

As I have a picture/videos to work with, I'm trying not to deviate from the design too much, if at all. However, I have changed small details, and will continue to do so. The information I have is very macroscopic and allows me this flexibility, at least I think so! One thing I am worried is that it's too light bluish grey, and I want to break that up.

I pretty much feel I know what I'm doing, but as I don't have much to work with, I am now at a point where I'll have to think a bit more about completing the ship.

I've seen what you are creating and to be honest it's amazing. I could not believe it at first that it was lego, you had to be cheating! If you're having trouble with strength, I feel you have to build your vessel around a strong (technical lego) core. However, this may not be compatible with your plan.

If that's the case, I would either adjust the plan to have a strong core, and build around it, or accept the fact this is an MOC that will probably never be moved, and if it had to be, would need some rebuilding.
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| December 17, 2010, 10:06 am
Quoting J H
Christophe, I started off with a 'technical drawing' of my MOC. I stumbled across it on the web and it was love at first sight. As most of the text on the drawing, and website, was in Russian I believe it was a fan's artistic impression of the Doomgiver based upon the ship in the video game Jedi Outcast.

I did a bit more searching and found some more details on the Wookieepedia site and a few videos on Youtube. Not much to go on. I then based the entire MOC on what I thought was the most important scalable aspect of the whole ship, the pods, and scaled the rest of it from there.

I originally thought about making the pods 6x6 (width), but the size of the ship would have been ridiculously big. I was tempted though! In the end, I plumped for 4x4 pods, and this made the ship 169 studs long.

To answer your questions, rebuild, not very often for the overall structure, if at all. There is an incredibly strong underlying shape on my MOC that is an excellent core structure to start with.

As I have a picture/videos to work with, I'm trying not to deviate from the design too much, if at all. However, I have changed small details, and will continue to do so. The information I have is very macroscopic and allows me this flexibility, at least I think so! One thing I am worried is that it's too light bluish grey, and I want to break that up.

I pretty much feel I know what I'm doing, but as I don't have much to work with, I am now at a point where I'll have to think a bit more about completing the ship.

I've seen what you are creating and to be honest it's amazing. I could not believe it at first that it was lego, you had to be cheating! If you're having trouble with strength, I feel you have to build your vessel around a strong (technical lego) core. However, this may not be compatible with your plan.

If that's the case, I would either adjust the plan to have a strong core, and build around it, or accept the fact this is an MOC that will probably never be moved, and if it had to be, would need some rebuilding.



Thanks JH for your answer...
For me, I have no plan at the beginning; I like to start with a primal idea ans see how it will finish... but I change often my mind during the construction so it is never the same idea than the one I had first...

LEGO is a game who allows me to search solutions and to change of technique with every creation I make...
It gives that I make several MOCS to have one final.

For the "no mercy" I made 4 ship before this one. Generally I'm never happy with the first step of building so I spend a lot of time to make just one. I'm just jealous of people like Kelso or Benedikt or El Barto or you who seemed to know exactly what they want at the very beginning... That's life !!

For the "new vulcan", finally I listened Steve and made a very strong core and added the "walls" with turning them by force(shall it be with me) on a stud..... and it works !!! :-)))
Anyway, I made it lighter and I can move it easily so my trouble seemes so far away now....
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| December 18, 2010, 4:10 am
Quoting christophe corthay
Quoting J H
Christophe, I started off with a 'technical drawing' of my MOC. I stumbled across it on the web and it was love at first sight. As most of the text on the drawing, and website, was in Russian I believe it was a fan's artistic impression of the Doomgiver based upon the ship in the video game Jedi Outcast.

I did a bit more searching and found some more details on the Wookieepedia site and a few videos on Youtube. Not much to go on. I then based the entire MOC on what I thought was the most important scalable aspect of the whole ship, the pods, and scaled the rest of it from there.

I originally thought about making the pods 6x6 (width), but the size of the ship would have been ridiculously big. I was tempted though! In the end, I plumped for 4x4 pods, and this made the ship 169 studs long.

To answer your questions, rebuild, not very often for the overall structure, if at all. There is an incredibly strong underlying shape on my MOC that is an excellent core structure to start with.

As I have a picture/videos to work with, I'm trying not to deviate from the design too much, if at all. However, I have changed small details, and will continue to do so. The information I have is very macroscopic and allows me this flexibility, at least I think so! One thing I am worried is that it's too light bluish grey, and I want to break that up.

I pretty much feel I know what I'm doing, but as I don't have much to work with, I am now at a point where I'll have to think a bit more about completing the ship.

I've seen what you are creating and to be honest it's amazing. I could not believe it at first that it was lego, you had to be cheating! If you're having trouble with strength, I feel you have to build your vessel around a strong (technical lego) core. However, this may not be compatible with your plan.

If that's the case, I would either adjust the plan to have a strong core, and build around it, or accept the fact this is an MOC that will probably never be moved, and if it had to be, would need some rebuilding.



Thanks JH for your answer...
For me, I have no plan at the beginning; I like to start with a primal idea ans see how it will finish... but I change often my mind during the construction so it is never the same idea than the one I had first...

LEGO is a game who allows me to search solutions and to change of technique with every creation I make...
It gives that I make several MOCS to have one final.

For the "no mercy" I made 4 ship before this one. Generally I'm never happy with the first step of building so I spend a lot of time to make just one. I'm just jealous of people like Kelso or Benedikt or El Barto or you who seemed to know exactly what they want at the very beginning... That's life !!

For the "new vulcan", finally I listened Steve and made a very strong core and added the "walls" with turning them by force(shall it be with me) on a stud..... and it works !!! :-)))
Anyway, I made it lighter and I can move it easily so my trouble seemes so far away now....

Yes, I was on a mission to build that sucker, but I don't know how many times I thought I finished something, and then went back and tore it apart. Sometimes for aesthetics, sometimes for structural reasons. Quite frustrating, really. And then it was just a matter of getting enough parts. I was lucky to find a Death Star II set on Ebay for $170, all organized and Zip locked by piece. That was a great deal, I thought.
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| December 18, 2010, 12:55 pm
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