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Why Did God Create Lucifer?
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As many know, Lucifer is now what we know as Satan. I am bring this topic up because I am curious to what you guys have to say. While looking through the comments of the video I posted the link to in General Conversation, I came upon an arguement that eventually had the question, "If God can see the future, why create Lucifer if God knew he would betray Him?" Well, what do you think?
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| September 4, 2012, 4:12 pm
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Quoting MCLegoboy !
As many know, Lucifer is now what we know as Satan. I am bring this topic up because I am curious to what you guys have to say. While looking through the comments of the video I posted the link to in General Conversation, I came upon an arguement that eventually had the question, "If God can see the future, why create Lucifer if God knew he would betray Him?" Well, what do you think?


A very good topic to bring up, MCLegoboy. In the Bible it tells us God knew man would sin sooner or later. So in a way, I think God created Lucifer to test Christianís faith to see if they really believe in him or just say they do.

As we discussed in different topics. So many people say their Christians but they truly don't believe in God or their scared to profess their faith. Live it out loud, don't be afraid what others think. Resist the temptation of the devil and tell others about the good news of Jesus Christ!
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| September 4, 2012, 4:26 pm
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Here is a theory I have recently come up with.

While I do not have a belief in multiple universes for different futures and such, it did spark an idea. Why did God, when creating Lucifer and knowing what he would eventually do, go through with the creation? Perhaps God does not see a linear future. Perhaps he can see all the possible futures there can be, hence he allowed free will. Once an action of free will was committed, the previous possible futures dwindle and do not exist anymore, therefore God has less futures to worry about, for the moment. Eventually, all these futures will realine with The Revelation, but back to Lucifer.

At the moment Lucifer came to be, many futures are there, and once he rebelled, all of the "good" futures by him were gone. Bring in Adam and Eve and they, too, have many futures that are possible and once they sinned, many of the "good" futures were taken out. You go along with humanity today, and there are still bajillions of futures, and God sees them all, each eventually working towards The Revelation.

That whole plan He has set could be the path of one future splitting into the next and going from Birth to Death to Revelation, but with free will, we eventually work our way back towards or away from the plan set.

This is all just one major theory, but it is all more the reason why God has given us brains to contemplate and expand around these ideas to better our Faith and figure out how each one of us can figure out what it is each and every one of us truly believes.

This is rather fun, and of course, why not chat about such things when that is the purpose of the group? Enjoy playing head games, I have plenty more that I can share on other topics. :)
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| September 4, 2012, 4:35 pm
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Quoting MCLegoboy !
Here is a theory I have recently come up with.

While I do not have a belief in multiple universes for different futures and such, it did spark an idea. Why did God, when creating Lucifer and knowing what he would eventually do, go through with the creation? Perhaps God does not see a linear future. Perhaps he can see all the possible futures there can be, hence he allowed free will. Once an action of free will was committed, the previous possible futures dwindle and do not exist anymore, therefore God has less futures to worry about, for the moment. Eventually, all these futures will realine with The Revelation, but back to Lucifer.

At the moment Lucifer came to be, many futures are there, and once he rebelled, all of the "good" futures by him were gone. Bring in Adam and Eve and they, too, have many futures that are possible and once they sinned, many of the "good" futures were taken out. You go along with humanity today, and there are still bajillions of futures, and God sees them all, each eventually working towards The Revelation.

That whole plan He has set could be the path of one future splitting into the next and going from Birth to Death to Revelation, but with free will, we eventually work our way back towards or away from the plan set.

This is all just one major theory, but it is all more the reason why God has given us brains to contemplate and expand around these ideas to better our Faith and figure out how each one of us can figure out what it is each and every one of us truly believes.

This is rather fun, and of course, why not chat about such things when that is the purpose of the group? Enjoy playing head games, I have plenty more that I can share on other topics. :)


A good theory. As you said, this should be fun for sure! :) I can't wait to hear some more opinions you guys.
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| September 4, 2012, 4:45 pm
God created Satan to show us his power.
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| September 4, 2012, 4:46 pm
i believe god created lucifer in order to test us, and in order for us to strive to better ourselves.

take the seven deadly sins for instance. as a christian, i dont see all of them as sins per se.

for example i believe that envy is not a sin, but only if you use that envy in order to better yourself. ie being envious for the sake of it, is a sin, but being envious and channeling that envy in order to say improve your health, or try for that promotion at work etc is a very good thing.
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| September 6, 2012, 10:34 am
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Quoting Chris Bramley
i believe god created lucifer in order to test us, and in order for us to strive to better ourselves.

take the seven deadly sins for instance. as a christian, i dont see all of them as sins per se.

for example i believe that envy is not a sin, but only if you use that envy in order to better yourself. ie being envious for the sake of it, is a sin, but being envious and channeling that envy in order to say improve your health, or try for that promotion at work etc is a very good thing.


I really like how you explained it. So true.
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| September 6, 2012, 5:46 pm
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*Sigh* Two days ago I wrote an extremely long comment in this thread but by the looks of it, it got sent into Moderation. Now time to write it again and share the Gospel. :)
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| September 7, 2012, 10:57 am
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Quoting Justin M
*Sigh* Two days ago I wrote an extremely long comment in this thread but by the looks of it, it got sent into Moderation. Now time to write it again and share the Gospel. :)

Yeah moderation is annoying. You can say certain stuff in creation comments that you can't in group comments, but you can say some stuff in group comments wen you can't in creation comments. Grr.
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| September 7, 2012, 1:45 pm
I believe God created Satan to show us that there is evil in this world. That we might even become like him if we broke the ten commandments. I am not certain but this is what I believe.
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| September 7, 2012, 3:33 pm
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Quoting MCLegoboy !
Yeah moderation is annoying. You can say certain stuff in creation comments that you can't in group comments, but you can say some stuff in group comments wen you can't in creation comments. Grr.


I know! D:
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| September 8, 2012, 12:01 pm
Maybe he hoped that Lucifer wouldn't become evil?
Maybe he had to, to show us what evil is?
Maybe it's to keep us on the path of good?
I just don't really want to start talking about the psychological workings of an omnipotence's mind.
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| September 8, 2012, 9:02 pm
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Quoting Noah G
Maybe he hoped that Lucifer wouldn't become evil?
Maybe he had to, to show us what evil is?
Maybe it's to keep us on the path of good?
I just don't really want to start talking about the psychological workings of an omnipotence's mind.

I'm not as versed in my scripture as many others are, but He does want us to question Him so that we have the will to believe what we want. He'd just rather we chose to believe in Him and truly believe.
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| September 8, 2012, 9:11 pm
Well, Satan is a fallen angel, but if God knew that he would betray him, I would agree with many of the others, God keeps him around/created him to test us humans.
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| September 12, 2012, 6:38 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !
As many know, Lucifer is now what we know as Satan. I am bring this topic up because I am curious to what you guys have to say. While looking through the comments of the video I posted the link to in General Conversation, I came upon an arguement that eventually had the question, "If God can see the future, why create Lucifer if God knew he would betray Him?" Well, what do you think?




God allows evil so a better good can come out of it. To take away evil would be to take our free will.
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| September 12, 2012, 9:45 pm
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Quoting Monsterlego .



God allows evil so a better good can come out of it. To take away evil would be to take our free will.


That's very true.
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| September 13, 2012, 11:47 am
Quoting Justin M
*Sigh* Two days ago I wrote an extremely long comment in this thread but by the looks of it, it got sent into Moderation. Now time to write it again and share the Gospel. :)

Cant you accept your own comments? you are an admin
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| September 13, 2012, 12:05 pm
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Quoting Monsterlego .
Cant you accept your own comments? you are an admin


No, it actually got sent to MOCpages Moderation.
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| September 13, 2012, 12:39 pm
No smoke without fire.
No good without evil.
No God without Lucifer.
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| September 22, 2012, 6:38 am
I have a riddle for you guys to solve. It sort of underlines a deadly sin, one of the seven, really.
What does the strong man have, the weak man crave, and the wise man control?
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| September 22, 2012, 6:39 am
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Quoting Chocolate Chipmunk
I have a riddle for you guys to solve. It sort of underlines a deadly sin, one of the seven, really.
What does the strong man have, the weak man crave, and the wise man control?


Power?
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| September 22, 2012, 1:59 pm
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Quoting Chocolate Chipmunk
I have a riddle for you guys to solve. It sort of underlines a deadly sin, one of the seven, really.
What does the strong man have, the weak man crave, and the wise man control?

Pride?
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| September 22, 2012, 5:27 pm
Quoting Justin M

Power?

yes ;)
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| October 3, 2012, 3:54 pm
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Quoting Chocolate Chipmunk
yes ;)


I knew it! ;D
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| October 4, 2012, 1:02 pm
considering the fact that somehow god allows free will but knows all that will happen, I believe that he knew satan would choose to try to be like God, but he failed. Also, if god esires to make an example of satan, that could be the reason that he is not already in the fiery pit of doom that he is headed to.
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| October 28, 2012, 8:14 am
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Quoting micah burgin
considering the fact that somehow god allows free will but knows all that will happen, I believe that he knew satan would choose to try to be like God, but he failed. Also, if god esires to make an example of satan, that could be the reason that he is not already in the fiery pit of doom that he is headed to.


You've put that into words very well.
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| November 3, 2012, 3:42 pm
thank you.
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| November 4, 2012, 6:24 am
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Quoting micah burgin
thank you.


Anytime. :)
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| November 4, 2012, 4:41 pm
I think because even though He knew man would sinbecause of Satin, He also knew that there would be ones who would glorify Him, bringing up the fact it was for His glory. It also could have been to test our faith in him.
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