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 Group admin 
Welcome aboard guys... even though we've already gotten the pleasentries out of the way...

Anyway, I think this would be a good place to help keep track of everything we'll need. Remember, this is your group as much as mine so don't worry about asking "can I start a new thread" or things like that. You'll all be admins of this and the main Olympics group when we open it so have at it.

I'll start a categories thread so we can get that going with our suggestions.
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| August 21, 2012, 6:41 am
 Group admin 
hey judges,

Everyone give a warm welcome to our newest judge, Paul V.

Welcome to the party Paul, and watch out for Roach... he bites.
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| August 21, 2012, 2:32 pm
 Group admin 
Most roaches do...
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| August 22, 2012, 9:44 pm
Hey everyone! Sorry about not being on the ball lately. I have been packing and shopping and visiting some friends and family for the past few days before going to college. I move in tomorrow, and the orientation stuff goes until the 28th, but things should cool down once classes start. I'll be online as often as I can during the orientation stuff, but it's probably going to be a little sporadic.
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| August 23, 2012, 12:39 pm
 Group admin 
And we have our final judge, Mr. Shannon Ocean! Jump right in and join the party ShannO, the water's fine!
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| August 24, 2012, 10:03 am
 Group admin 
Quick question to everyone:

Lego Builders (Jr. and Sr.) share an account but would like to compete as two individuals.

I suggested that one of them make an account just for the games but if that's not an option (you never know with parents) how do we feel about letting them compete as two people using one account?

Thoughts?
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| August 27, 2012, 7:19 am
Quoting Chris Phipson
Quick question to everyone:

Lego Builders (Jr. and Sr.) share an account but would like to compete as two individuals.

I suggested that one of them make an account just for the games but if that's not an option (you never know with parents) how do we feel about letting them compete as two people using one account?

Thoughts?

The only thing that would be problematic as far as legitimacy goes would be the longest lasting TFOL/YFOL award, but if Sr. is helping Jr. with his MOCs, then a separate account wouldn't stop them. So, since there's no way to know who builds what, I say let them compete on the same account.
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| August 27, 2012, 10:44 am
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I've printed out all of the categories including the ones that were suggested by players and will spend the next couple of days ploping them in the slots for all the matches through the end of the games.

Does anyone have any they'd like to see in later rounds in particular or any other issues that need to be addressed? It won't be a "final" thing when I do this and we can make as many changes as needed as long as it's before the start of round two.

I'll get a list either pasted here or emailed to everyone once all the brackets are set up. As I've said in years before, all the categories for the matches are decided before any play starts so that there can't be any "Oh, you gave that person X category because you like them... blah blah blah." (I still don't get those people that think all this stuff is "rigged"... Why bother setting all this up if it's not going to be fair? Don't they have anything better to do than make up this stuff? anyway, moving on.)

Alrighty, I'll get this going and get it to you guys in a couple of days... maybe Monday (since I have the weekend off and I won't finish it by tomorrow).


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| August 30, 2012, 1:55 pm
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All good matey. I've got no probs with ordering the categories.

I was wondering though: when we're judging mocs, should we take into consideration the builder's age and/or size of their collection? Or just evaluate the entries as they stand?
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| August 30, 2012, 10:33 pm
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Quoting Shannon Ocean
All good matey. I've got no probs with ordering the categories.

I was wondering though: when we're judging mocs, should we take into consideration the builder's age and/or size of their collection? Or just evaluate the entries as they stand?

I try to avoid things like that because then you're not going to end up with "the best" at the end of it. If we took those things into account when judging, the final four would be four 8 year olds with clones on a plate.

When I judge, I do my best not to pay attention (nearly impossible, but I try) to who the builder's are as it helps me to judge the moc (at least on a subconcious level) as opposed to what I expect based on the builder. I find the more annonimity (sp?) there is, the more fair the judging is.

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| August 31, 2012, 6:26 am
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Quoting Chris Phipson
I try to avoid things like that because then you're not going to end up with "the best" at the end of it. If we took those things into account when judging, the final four would be four 8 year olds with clones on a plate.

When I judge, I do my best not to pay attention (nearly impossible, but I try) to who the builder's are as it helps me to judge the moc (at least on a subconcious level) as opposed to what I expect based on the builder. I find the more annonimity (sp?) there is, the more fair the judging is.


Ah cool, that's a good point actually. Thanks duder!
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| August 31, 2012, 9:20 pm
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Hey Chris,

Just wondering if there's anything we can do to help in the lead up to the 9th when Round 1 starts? (I still need to read through the list of categories I admit).

Also I've been getting some comments to approve in the mocolympics group, I guess you guys get the same ones? I've been allowing them all ( not sure where to draw the line with that stuff; how much is going too far when it comes to smack?)
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| September 3, 2012, 5:34 am
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Quoting Shannon Ocean
Hey Chris,

Just wondering if there's anything we can do to help in the lead up to the 9th when Round 1 starts? (I still need to read through the list of categories I admit).

Also I've been getting some comments to approve in the mocolympics group, I guess you guys get the same ones? I've been allowing them all ( not sure where to draw the line with that stuff; how much is going too far when it comes to smack?)


Round one should be fairly simple (by regular standards). We're just going to let them choose from the list of categories we give them (the songs list) and let them have at it.

As far as allowing comments though, I wrote in there that any comments sent to moderation I was just going to delete simply because we don't have the time to read them all and moderate them (there's a glitch in the moderation system that makes you have to approve each comment individually and it's a HUGE pain in the (bleep) ).

You guys can approve or reject comments however you'd like. I try to check them out a bit and if they look like they're "questions" or things that need to be addressed I let them through, but simple "smack talk" isn't important enough to go through the whole process (for me anyway). If you choose to let them through then by all means, have at it!

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| September 3, 2012, 6:47 am
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Totally switching gears here, but would you mind, Chris, if I wrote up a post in the actual group that outlined some of the things I'm looking for as a judge? Presentation, topicality, technique, NPU, etc... Something like a rubric of my own personal preferences? I'd love to see some pandering.
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| September 11, 2012, 4:16 pm
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Quoting Paul Vermeesch
Totally switching gears here, but would you mind, Chris, if I wrote up a post in the actual group that outlined some of the things I'm looking for as a judge? Presentation, topicality, technique, NPU, etc... Something like a rubric of my own personal preferences? I'd love to see some pandering.


Absolutly! Could you make it a "judges thread" and make sure it's locked please? Then we can go in there and write things that we need people to see but don't want a lot of chatter in.

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| September 12, 2012, 6:27 am
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Quoting Paul Vermeesch
3. Presentation. Perhaps this means shooting it on a clean white background, photoshopping it into space, or taking a picture of it in a place that has significance to the model.


Hey Paul,

Did you mean putting it in a clean, white space or like... photoshopping a spaceship into a spacey background?

The reason I ask is that photoshop of that nature is frowned upon in the MocO's and Roger Brickjet asked about it in the question thread.
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| September 12, 2012, 4:29 pm
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Quoting Chris Phipson

Hey Paul,

Did you mean putting it in a clean, white space or like... photoshopping a spaceship into a spacey background?

The reason I ask is that photoshop of that nature is frowned upon in the MocO's and Roger Brickjet asked about it in the question thread.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've got to pay better attention to our own rules, by golly! The original post is edited, and I've addressed Roger's comment in the question thread. Sorry 'bout that!

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| September 12, 2012, 6:09 pm
 Group admin 
Just saw Parrington's "7 nation army" entry. WOW!! Bloody awesome that one!
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| September 12, 2012, 10:18 pm
 Group admin 
yep IMO that's the bar for round one so far - lets see if anyone can raise it!

Quoting Shannon Ocean
Just saw Parrington's "7 nation army" entry. WOW!! Bloody awesome that one!


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| September 13, 2012, 6:26 am
 Group admin 
hey guys,

Right now there are 223 members of the group so far (minus 6 for us plus a few who are not playing) so we're looking at... if everyone posts (which they won't) about 210 to 215 entries.

So the question is... do we want to add another round or keep it at the top 64 and everyone else gets booted over to the MIT to try there luck there?

Thoughts? pros and cons? All that fun stuff...
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| September 13, 2012, 12:42 pm
 Group admin 
stay with 64 from what i've seen so far there are a lot of mocs to knock out - is it just me or were last years round one entries much better MOCs
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| September 13, 2012, 7:42 pm
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Quoting Chris Phipson
hey guys,

Right now there are 223 members of the group so far (minus 6 for us plus a few who are not playing) so we're looking at... if everyone posts (which they won't) about 210 to 215 entries.

i'm just the noob judge here but I say stick to the 64. Like Chris said, the quality so far is a little thin?

So the question is... do we want to add another round or keep it at the top 64 and everyone else gets booted over to the MIT to try there luck there?

Thoughts? pros and cons? All that fun stuff...


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| September 14, 2012, 4:31 am
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Quoting Chris Roach
stay with 64 from what i've seen so far there are a lot of mocs to knock out - is it just me or were last years round one entries much better MOCs


They'll get better as we get close to the end of the round. The first 30 or so entries are always (bleep) (with a few exceptions).

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| September 14, 2012, 6:28 am
 Group admin 
Yeah. So far, so not impressed. Let's stick to 64, make it easier on ourselves, and cull our entries down to the very best.
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| September 14, 2012, 10:34 am
 Group admin 
There will be far more impressive entries on the final day I think,
Anyway, I will be gone a couple of days, from tuesday the 18th till saturday 22.
This means I'll be gone when the final entries are entered, I'll do my best to find internet on my trip but I can't garanty.
Sorry for the trouble :S
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| September 14, 2012, 11:28 am
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Quoting Sebeus I
There will be far more impressive entries on the final day I think,
Anyway, I will be gone a couple of days, from tuesday the 18th till saturday 22.
This means I'll be gone when the final entries are entered, I'll do my best to find internet on my trip but I can't garanty.
Sorry for the trouble :S


Shouldn't be too much of a problem, as long as you're keeping up as we go along it should only be those few entries that are put up on the last day. We can add up those last... 10 or 15 (hopefully) on Saturday night/Sunday morning and I'll be able to post the round 2 matchups by late Sunday morning (my time, before noon... give or take).

Hope it's a "fun" trip and if so... have fun!
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| September 14, 2012, 1:21 pm
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guys i am torn in judging on a few entries - there are a few good mocs that really don't relate to the song title theme - i would grade them well for their MOCcing ability but i would negate them from not really using the theme - ie the MOC Hound! great Mech but really the relevance to the the song ain't nothing but a hound dog? really? anybody else torn in this dilemna?

PS have we DQed anyone yet?
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| September 15, 2012, 6:25 am
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Quoting Chris Roach
guys i am torn in judging on a few entries - there are a few good mocs that really don't relate to the song title theme - i would grade them well for their MOCcing ability but i would negate them from not really using the theme - ie the MOC Hound! great Mech but really the relevance to the the song ain't nothing but a hound dog? really? anybody else torn in this dilemna?

PS have we DQed anyone yet?


Haven't judged it yet but I had a quick look at that Hound mech. I'd mark it way down it has nothing to do with anything. Anyone can build in their strong suit but the games aren't about that. If it just had four legs and a tail then I could forgive it ya know? But he hasn't even tried.

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| September 15, 2012, 7:07 am
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Yeah. I'll be marking him down for a poor interpretation of the topic. Also, are we only judging the creations that are in the group? Because there was a totally epic Yellow Submarine car by Nick Barrett that floated across the homepage, but he hasn't added it to the group. What should I do?
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| September 15, 2012, 10:11 am
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I take that back. He just added it to the group.
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| September 15, 2012, 10:23 am
Quoting Paul Vermeesch
Yeah. I'll be marking him down for a poor interpretation of the topic. Also, are we only judging the creations that are in the group? Because there was a totally epic Yellow Submarine car by Nick Barrett that floated across the homepage, but he hasn't added it to the group. What should I do?

When they don't add it to the group, it is not yet an official entry, so don't worry about judging it until they submit it.
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| September 15, 2012, 1:06 pm
 Group admin 
Haven't looked at the hound dog mech yet (been off the computer for a couple of days here...) but I'll look into it and let you guys know what I think.

From what I've read, I'll most likely be skeptical about giving it a huge score but we did say "tie it to the song title" and I remember someone asking about building a mech... But it sounds to me like he probably stretched it a bit too far (again, just from what I've read here).

I'll let ya know my thoughts soon but I trust all of your judgement (or I wouldn't have asked you all to judge).
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| September 17, 2012, 9:12 am
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2 round one entries have been removed from the MocOlympics group,is this r doing or individual Moccist?
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| September 27, 2012, 1:44 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Chris Roach
2 round one entries have been removed from the MocOlympics group,is this r doing or individual Moccist?


Two players packed up and went home. I made a comment in a different thread about this but was incorrect as to who those players were. Looks like I missed Annonymous somehow...

But yes, two aren't there. The other was Brickwhiz (the hound dog mech guy). Not sure who our second is though since I was wrong on annonymous...

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| September 27, 2012, 7:10 am
 Group admin 
Hey guys,

For this category, let's see if we can come up with some better lines for the story. I was never really happy with the ones I came up with so let's see how "off the wall" we can get with this. The category will stay the same, only the lines in it will be different. Whatcha got?

Beginning and End: This is a rehash from a past category. Build us a
story... any story you wish and whichever genre you want but here's
the catch... it MUST begin and end with the following lines: Opening
Line "When I woke up that morning I knew the banana was the wrong
choice." And the closing line must be: "And even after all of that,
I'll still never understand platypus psychology." It doesn't matter
how long the story is. It could be three frames or 30, as long as you
begin and end with those lines AND (here's the tricky part) have it
make SENSE!


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| September 27, 2012, 8:17 am
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Opening Line:
"I studied astrophysics all night long, I was ready for the action"

Closing line:
"And when I got back I knew the Kiwa hirsuta would haunt me forever"

All right, I'm not very good at this, I'm supposing every contestant is smart enough to search "Kiwa hirsuta" in google (images) :S
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| September 27, 2012, 4:08 pm
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Opening: "What with the hospital being launched into space and all, life was far more uncertain than before."

Closing: "And so, like all the best Shakespearean tragedies, the rocks lay crumbled on the floor, the milk lay spilt, and only one man lived to see another day."

On another note, I wanted to address something that I saw as a bit of a subtle trend in last years games. Perhaps it betrays a bit of unconscious preference with the judges, perhaps it's just me. I don't know. Anyhow, the games this year were only graced with three female participants. Two made it to Round 2. Leda, if I'm not mistaken, won last year; and Annie Corder outlived Blake Baer. Either way, a quick look at Annie's page in comparison with her brother's shows a subtle popularity advantage with the FFOL. Why? She, Leda, (and Littlehaulic) are really the only girls of skill on the 'pages. Obviously, with a site population of 99% male, some "cozying up" to the girls is expected, but let's try not to let the girl's popularity to any degree influence our own decisions. Not to discredit their building talent, but let's keep things in perspective and treat them as if they were just another male entrant. Sorry for bringing up the touchy subject, but I couldn't help but comment on the trends in last year's games.
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| September 27, 2012, 9:31 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Paul Vermeesch
On another note, I wanted to address something that I saw as a bit of a subtle trend in last years games. Perhaps it betrays a bit of unconscious preference with the judges, perhaps it's just me. I don't know. Anyhow, the games this year were only graced with three female participants. Two made it to Round 2. Leda, if I'm not mistaken, won last year; and Annie Corder outlived Blake Baer. Either way, a quick look at Annie's page in comparison with her brother's shows a subtle popularity advantage with the FFOL. Why? She, Leda, (and Littlehaulic) are really the only girls of skill on the 'pages. Obviously, with a site population of 99% male, some "cozying up" to the girls is expected, but let's try not to let the girl's popularity to any degree influence our own decisions. Not to discredit their building talent, but let's keep things in perspective and treat them as if they were just another male entrant. Sorry for bringing up the touchy subject, but I couldn't help but comment on the trends in last year's games.



Thank you Paul. I can say for certain that my personal choices weren't influenced by this (I can't speak for any of the other judges as I'm not in their minds and let's face it... that's a scary thought with some of them).

Take last year for example. Everyone remembers when Leda beat Legohaulic in one of the later rounds. There was an immediate backlash that I (personally) was biased towards Leda over LH because she's a friend of mine. It only took a matter of seconds for me to dispell this when I calmly pointed out that I had, in fact, voted for LH in that round.

Even after that, people still grumbled... and to a point, I agreed with them. I personally thought that LH outbuilt Leda in that round and thought that he should have probably gone on to win the games.

What I'm saying is that personally, I can honestly say that no amount of friendship or any other biased will influence my judging decisions in these games. I run all of my contests on a firm platform of fair, unbiased decisions. I've always been on the up and up with people and will continue to do so, it's just in my nature and it's something that I pride myself on in both the Lego world and my everyday life.

This whole thing is another reason that the whole "Goldman fiasco" was so personally hurtfull to me a year ago. When he went to Sean and said that I had deleted his account I was ready to go NUTS! Of course a conference call with Kelso and Sean and then Sean doing some backtracking on the accounts to find that Keith had deleted his own account cleared up the mess as far as we were concerned... course that didn't stop Keith from trying to spread the rumors elsewhere but meh... what can you do.

Well, I've gone off topic a bit... So to get back to the original convo here, I will, and always have, judged each moc based soley on the merits of the build itself and never allow the builder to influence me in any way.

And for the record... I wouldn't have asked any of you to judge had I thought that any of you would do any differently. I trust your judgement and know in my heart that all of you will judge honestly and fairly without allowing personal feelings to get in the way.
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| September 28, 2012, 2:44 pm
 Group admin 
Another possibility for new lines:

First line:
"My name is Archibald Reginold Snegglepusenshire, and this is the tale of my last day on Earth."

Last line:
"So the moral of the story kids, is never trust a clown in a bikini who offers you a banana."
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| September 28, 2012, 4:35 pm
 Group admin 
Ahaa, I think I get the message...
you want the story to involve a banana ?
XD
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| September 28, 2012, 5:11 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Sebeus I
Ahaa, I think I get the message...
you want the story to involve a banana ?
XD


HAHAHA didn't even really notice that! We can totally substitute the banana for something else with comedic value... like... a rubber chicken or one of those noisey air horns... or whatever else we can come up with. That's the beauty of this, we can make it anything we want.
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| September 28, 2012, 5:43 pm
 Group admin 
And on a different note, I'll be off the computer for the weekend (family time!). I trust you guys to handle any questions that may pop up in the group.

If it's life or death (which... it never is) Shannon can get a hold of someone in VirtuaLUG with my phone number to call me but really... I don't think any life or death issues will come up in a Lego contest. (of course now that I say that, you watch, it'll happen...)
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| September 28, 2012, 5:45 pm
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Just to be clear, who's locking the group this time around? I'm in Chicago time currently, so I could probably manage locking it at 11, but if someone else is up, I'd absolutely LOVE to shirk that responsibility this time around.
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| October 7, 2012, 7:54 pm
 Group admin 
is it just me or my late night math or are we missing 7 or so entries - i guess that means some people will advance automatically!
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| October 8, 2012, 3:16 am
 Group admin 
Yeah, we're missing a few... happens every year.

There were two that brought up in the question thread if they could add their late creations to the group. They were Timinator and Lego Obsessionist.

Timinator has a posted date of the 8th but is claiming that slow internet connection slowed him down.

L.O. is saying the same thing BUT... his shows a posted date of the 7th.

We need a vote on these two entries please. I would say to absolutly allow Lego Obsessionist's entry as it was clearly posted on the proper day, he just missed the cut off adding it to the group.

Tim's... that one's a little trickier as it has a post date of the 8th. However... I know the pages have been running slow these last few days AND his comment was posted JUUUUST after midnight, showing to me that he was within a ten to 15 minute window.

My vote is to allow both to be judged but we need more than just my opinion on this one.

Gentlemen... your call.
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| October 8, 2012, 10:17 am
Sure, why not? It was only a few minutes.
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| October 8, 2012, 10:56 am
 Group admin 
Agreed, both allowed, but perhaps with a warning not to be late again :P
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| October 8, 2012, 11:15 am
 Group admin 
let them in - but with a stern warning - leaving it to the exact last minute is a little stupid though!
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| October 8, 2012, 3:19 pm
 Group admin 
looks like my comment went to mod .. let them in but with a stern warning ... leaving it to the last minute is not always the brightest thing to do though !
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| October 8, 2012, 3:21 pm
 Group admin 
Thank you gentlemen. I'll let them know and open the group. I'll close it tomorrow after they've both posted.
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| October 8, 2012, 8:12 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Sebeus I
Just judged the last entries for this round, great job everyone, winners and losers alike!


Hey Sebeus, Looks like you missed a couple. These matchups still need your vote:

Lego Junkie vs invisible mime
and
Superspy x vs Gabe Umland

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| October 10, 2012, 11:42 am
 Group admin 
Also, just to close everything out, we still need deciding votes in brackets 3 and 4 for the following matchups:

The Bricks vs Sir Blamorgineas

Blake Baer vs Thoy Bradley

Raphael Heusser vs Josh B.

As soon as I get these final 5 votes total (two from brackets 1 and 2 as well), I'll get round three ready for sign off.
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| October 10, 2012, 11:47 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Chris Phipson
Also, just to close everything out, we still need deciding votes in brackets 3 and 4 for the following matchups:

The Bricks vs Sir Blamorgineas

Blake Baer vs Thoy Bradley

Raphael Heusser vs Josh B.

As soon as I get these final 5 votes total (two from brackets 1 and 2 as well), I'll get round three ready for sign off.


That's probably me, I'm behind as usual! I'll make sure I do those ones tonight and the rest (already decided) on the weekend ( my time, Friday yours, I think).

EDIT: Ok, the tiebreakers are done. Winners are:
Sir Balamorgineas
Thor Bradley
Raphael Heusser

Phew! Being a tiebreaker SUUUUCCCKKKS!! "Oh the guilt, the unbearable guilt!!" Those three were so evenly tied! Next round I'm getting in early so I'm not the last judge....

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| October 11, 2012, 4:31 am
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