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| April 3, 2013, 11:46 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
Paladin is involved in this? As he is so inactive, I figured he wouldn't be involved.
BTW, as an admin, can you make an INF3 please, this one is way too cramped.

I don't think he's involved, sorry for any cofusion caused.
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| April 3, 2013, 11:47 am
The U.I.S has finished its first production sample of the ATV-30 for the inspection of the U.I.S's ground forces high command, full production is expected to commence within the next few days.
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| April 3, 2013, 12:49 pm
Allow me to debunk all theflaws people are attemplting to point out with my new Warhammer.
All Alliance aircraft have flares on board (what good fighter wouldn't?) so long range missiles are essentially pointless.
I recently posted a long comment thoroughly explaining the physics and comepletely debunking the issues of recoil.
Regarding anti-missile defenses turning on the planes, they are anti-missile, not anti-missile/aircraft and until NCA InOps has confimation of the contrary, we will continue our use of the Warhammer as planned.
Any questions?
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| April 4, 2013, 9:22 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
Allow me to debunk all theflaws people are attemplting to point out with my new Warhammer.
All Alliance aircraft have flares on board (what good fighter wouldn't?) so long range missiles are essentially pointless.
I recently posted a long comment thoroughly explaining the physics and comepletely debunking the issues of recoil.
Regarding anti-missile defenses turning on the planes, they are anti-missile, not anti-missile/aircraft and until NCA InOps has confimation of the contrary, we will continue our use of the Warhammer as planned.
Any questions?

Flares only protect from IR seeker missiles and high tech IR missiles can tell the difference between flares and the real aircraft. Because of this, flares, while useful, are not as good of a defense agianst long range missile attacks as you seem to think.

Also, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a CIWS or AA laser could not also shoot down an airplane just because their primary job is shooting down missiles (AKA smaller and faster targets). Just because a weapon system is labeled one thing doesn't mean it can't do another. For example, WW2 Germany's AA flak guns turned out to be excellent anti-tank guns. If you still don't believe me, CIWS have shot down aircraft in real life:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS#Accidental_downing_of_US_aircraft_by_the_Japanese_destroyer_Y.C5.ABgiri

However, it would seem that you understand your physics pretty well, I'm going to have to do more research on this subject because you just might be right.
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| April 4, 2013, 10:25 pm
The U.I.S development team are nearing the completion of the first production sample of the new MBT. Expect updates soon.
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| April 5, 2013, 4:35 am
Since you've made it clear that the CIWS turrets can be a threat, I will simply alter my attack protocols. The railguns high velocity gives it excellent range and it can take said turrets out from quite a distance.
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| April 5, 2013, 10:09 am
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
Since you've made it clear that the CIWS turrets can be a threat, I will simply alter my attack protocols. The railguns high velocity gives it excellent range and it can take said turrets out from quite a distance.

Your stubby barrelled large calibre guns will probably have poor range. Meanwhile, all my CIWSs are of a three barrelled 6mm Gauss type. Calibre is irrelevant, as the long barrels and low weight give them very high velocity and penetrating power. My CIWSs could take down your fighters long before they came into conventional weapons range. Also, my lasers have infinite range, but loose power the further away the target is. I could be heating up your planes from the other side of a faction if I had enough altitude, and it won't take long for the beams to melt through the skin and detonate the fuel.
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| April 5, 2013, 1:11 pm
The MBT-31 has finished its development stage and moves on to full production into the U.I.S Army, it will serve alongside the MBT-30 (H).
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| April 5, 2013, 2:57 pm
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EFCF is in the middle of construction a new fighter that will also have a bomber variant. The aircraft is classified but the codename is Blackknife. More information will be reviled when the aircraft is finished.
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| April 5, 2013, 3:14 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
Your stubby barrelled large calibre guns will probably have poor range. Meanwhile, all my CIWSs are of a three barrelled 6mm Gauss type. Calibre is irrelevant, as the long barrels and low weight give them very high velocity and penetrating power. My CIWSs could take down your fighters long before they came into conventional weapons range. Also, my lasers have infinite range, but loose power the further away the target is. I could be heating up your planes from the other side of a faction if I had enough altitude, and it won't take long for the beams to melt through the skin and detonate the fuel.

Minor nitpick: for large amounts of kinetic energy, both mass and velocity are important, so assuming the same velocity a 30mm round would have much higher kinetic energy compared to 6mm rounds (of course, the 30mm has to work much harder to get to the point of equal velocity).

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| April 5, 2013, 4:19 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
EFCF is in the middle of construction a new fighter that will also have a bomber variant. The aircraft is classified but the codename is Blackknife. More information will be reviled when the aircraft is finished.

Are you sure you want us to revile your aircraft? XD
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| April 5, 2013, 4:21 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Are you sure you want us to revile your aircraft? XD

on a latter date.
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| April 5, 2013, 4:39 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
on a latter date.

Definition of Revile:

Verb
Criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner.
Synonyms
abuse - vituperate - rail - swear - insult - curse

XD
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| April 5, 2013, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Definition of Revile:

Verb
Criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner.
Synonyms
abuse - vituperate - rail - swear - insult - curse

XD

HAY, DONT MAKE FUN OF ME XO.
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| April 5, 2013, 7:11 pm
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Two new aircraft are now ready to be fielded. The YF-73 "Night-Fury" High-speed bomber and YF-74 "Flareguard" Air superiority fighter. Both aircraft are also available for trade offers. So what do you think.
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| April 5, 2013, 10:29 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
HAY, DONT MAKE FUN OF ME XO.

It was meant as a joke, no harm intended. ;)
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| April 5, 2013, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Minor nitpick: for large amounts of kinetic energy, both mass and velocity are important, so assuming the same velocity a 30mm round would have much higher kinetic energy compared to 6mm rounds (of course, the 30mm has to work much harder to get to the point of equal velocity).
yes, but you could also increase the density if the round, or the length. Big, fat rounds will have high kinetic energy, but will decelerate faster and will spread that energy out over a wider area on impact.

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| April 6, 2013, 5:00 am
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EFCF now has a new tank and it will be put up latter and the tank is called M-17 Sheppard MBT. More information will be release latter as well.
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| April 6, 2013, 10:56 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
Quoting Matthew McCall
Minor nitpick: for large amounts of kinetic energy, both mass and velocity are important, so assuming the same velocity a 30mm round would have much higher kinetic energy compared to 6mm rounds (of course, the 30mm has to work much harder to get to the point of equal velocity).
yes, but you could also increase the density if the round, or the length. Big, fat rounds will have high kinetic energy, but will decelerate faster and will spread that energy out over a wider area on impact.
Very true, the most common railgun round will almost certainly be a sabot. I don't really exspect HE rounds since if a round is going vast enough, on impact it WILL be explosive regardless of whether it had a warhead (which incidentally means that a sabot round traveling too fast won't be as good at penetrating armor.).

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| April 6, 2013, 11:05 am
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Hay matt, Two new aircraft are up. What do you think of them and are there any changes that I might do to make them better.
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| April 6, 2013, 11:06 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Quoting jack kenyon
Quoting Matthew McCall
Minor nitpick: for large amounts of kinetic energy, both mass and velocity are important, so assuming the same velocity a 30mm round would have much higher kinetic energy compared to 6mm rounds (of course, the 30mm has to work much harder to get to the point of equal velocity).
yes, but you could also increase the density if the round, or the length. Big, fat rounds will have high kinetic energy, but will decelerate faster and will spread that energy out over a wider area on impact.
Very true, the most common railgun round will almost certainly be a sabot. I don't really exspect HE rounds since if a round is going vast enough, on impact it WILL be explosive regardless of whether it had a warhead (which incidentally means that a sabot round traveling too fast won't be as good at penetrating armor.).
Well, my real brick 152mm railgun artillery has 2 kinds of HE but it is not an AT gun.
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| April 6, 2013, 11:38 am
The FNK will be reformed/renamded into the 'Brickville Union'. It will use most of my older Brickville Union creations, since I don't have the willpower currently anymore to design and create a complete new nation.
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| April 6, 2013, 2:00 pm
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Yes, because the denser metals aren't magnetic, so a sabot is required. Also, I am wondering why very high velocity rounds won't penetrate armour. Surely, most of their kinetic energy would be transferred to the softer metal, the armour? If the armour was denser, ie depleted uranium, then I understand how the round might shatter or become explosive, but wouldn't that still get the job done? A lot of the energy would be lost, but the rest ought to still wreck the tank.

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| April 6, 2013, 2:08 pm
The U.I.S plans to roll out a new line of light tanks (L class), also plans are being put forward for a close support gunship and infantry helicopter.
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| April 6, 2013, 3:16 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
Hay matt, Two new aircraft are up. What do you think of them and are there any changes that I might do to make them better.

I saw them, but I try to comment on creations in order that they are added to the group and I'm a tad behind right now. Anyway, (i don't know how to put this politely) but I'm of the oppinion that it seems a bit of a cop-out to make two different aircraft where the only real difference is that one has wings and the other doesn't. Also, the wings on the fighter are not the right shape at all for high speed flight, any aircraft with a scramjet/similar aircraft really would need to be shaped like a wedge, with narrower shapes being better. This would seem to mean that variable geometry is quite possibly the best way to go for an aircraft meant to perform well at both high and low speeds.
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| April 7, 2013, 12:26 am
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Two new units are now ready to be deployed. The M-13 Panther, a infantry support UGV is a unmanned tank that has 125mm coiled rifle for light anti-armor and a 30mm coiled auto-cannon to deal with infantry. The M-17 Sheppard MBT is the next battle tank of the EFCF. The Sheppard is a bit larger then most tanks but has the speed and fire power necessary to deal with other tanks where the slow and heavier tanks do not have. Armed with a 200mm rifle, 50mm anti-personal coiled gun, 50mm anti-personal rifled machine gun. Also armed with 8 grenade/flare launchers.
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| April 7, 2013, 12:27 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I saw them, but I try to comment on creations in order that they are added to the group and I'm a tad behind right now. Anyway, (i don't know how to put this politely) but I'm of the oppinion that it seems a bit of a cop-out to make two different aircraft where the only real difference is that one has wings and the other doesn't. Also, the wings on the fighter are not the right shape at all for high speed flight, any aircraft with a scramjet/similar aircraft really would need to be shaped like a wedge, with narrower shapes being better. This would seem to mean that variable geometry is quite possibly the best way to go for an aircraft meant to perform well at both high and low speeds.

Yes it weird for two different aircraft but at least I tried to give it some better looks and what is the difference between scramjets and the other type of engines. The engine design is of my own type. For the reason of different looks of the two aircraft is that one is meant for strike bombing and the other is for air superiority. Hay aren't the designs nice looking.
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| April 7, 2013, 12:34 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
Yes, because the denser metals aren't magnetic, so a sabot is required. Also, I am wondering why very high velocity rounds won't penetrate armour. Surely, most of their kinetic energy would be transferred to the softer metal, the armour? If the armour was denser, ie depleted uranium, then I understand how the round might shatter or become explosive, but wouldn't that still get the job done? A lot of the energy would be lost, but the rest ought to still wreck the tank.

Oh, high speed rounds are by no means good for a tank, but I'm saying they are less efficient than lower speed rounds at piercing armor due to becoming explosive (up to a certian point of course, then extremely high speed rounds become the best).

Basically when it comes to piercing armor: low speed<high speed<medium speed<extreme speed.

It's also good to remember that futuristic tanks may be made out of other materials besides metal such as advanced composite materials/and or carbon nano tubes, which are currently both the strongest and stiffest material known to man.
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| April 7, 2013, 12:45 am
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Quoting Christian Bish
Yes it weird for two different aircraft but at least I tried to give it some better looks and what is the difference between scramjets and the other type of engines. The engine design is of my own type. For the reason of different looks of the two aircraft is that one is meant for strike bombing and the other is for air superiority. Hay aren't the designs nice looking.

Well, scramjets and ramjets only work at high speeds, but they allow for much faster flight than regular jet engines. They basically rely on air being forced through them and superheat it, providing thrust for the aircraft. I do think that the bomber simply looks like an aircraft with it's wings torn off, but the fighter actually looks pretty good.
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| April 7, 2013, 12:50 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, scramjets and ramjets only work at high speeds, but they allow for much faster flight than regular jet engines. They basically rely on air being forced through them and superheat it, providing thrust for the aircraft. I do think that the bomber simply looks like an aircraft with it's wings torn off, but the fighter actually looks pretty good.

I am planning a lifting body type stratospheric scramjet with two variants, a strategic reconnaissance one, and a bomber.
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| April 7, 2013, 5:31 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, scramjets and ramjets only work at high speeds, but they allow for much faster flight than regular jet engines. They basically rely on air being forced through them and superheat it, providing thrust for the aircraft. I do think that the bomber simply looks like an aircraft with it's wings torn off, but the fighter actually looks pretty good.

The fighter has the missile bay style of an F-22 Raptor and the wings of the F-15 Hornet. The bomber will get wings after I am done with another project. The Bomber was supposedly look like the Aurora Bomber from Command and Conquer Generals.
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| April 7, 2013, 10:28 am
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
Allow me to debunk all theflaws people are attemplting to point out with my new Warhammer.
All Alliance aircraft have flares on board (what good fighter wouldn't?) so long range missiles are essentially pointless.
I recently posted a long comment thoroughly explaining the physics and comepletely debunking the issues of recoil.
Regarding anti-missile defenses turning on the planes, they are anti-missile, not anti-missile/aircraft and until NCA InOps has confimation of the contrary, we will continue our use of the Warhammer as planned.
Any questions?

A good way to bypass the flares is Camera guided missiles. Later in the future, I will have a two manned aircraft.
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| April 7, 2013, 10:31 am
The U.I.S has started production of the "Ark" Infantry/light helicopter.
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| April 9, 2013, 4:15 am
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Earlier this week the company announced that two new weapon systems are being developed, a Heavily armored hover vehicle, with multiple variant, and an artillery piece. Im still workings on them.
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| April 9, 2013, 10:56 pm
The "Buzzard" FSD-30 has finished development and will proceed to full production.
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| April 11, 2013, 9:32 am
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The EFCF has two new UAGs (Unmanned Arial Gunships) the UAG-01 Grunt and UAG-02 Troll. Both are now finishing their tests now.
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| April 12, 2013, 12:36 am
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The Drones are now ready to be deployed into service.
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| April 12, 2013, 9:43 am
I'm having a hard time following all this war talk but I think I need to be nervous. From what I know, I am geographically right next to what could become a warzone at any moment. Can someone catch me up on who is fighting and where the active warfronts are so I can know whether I need wartime overdrive for defense or not.
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| April 12, 2013, 5:08 pm
The NCA has completed a new, highly versatile light autonomous MBT. Some design elements come courtesy of recon pics of the BU's M-13 Panther UGV.

The NCA's black division has undertaken a new project codenamed "Piledriver". No further details have been released and Black Division PR has informed us that no further info will be availible until the project is operational and in deployment.

P.S. Matthew or another admin, can I get an email or a flickrmail to ask you a private question regarding prject "Piledriver" that cannot be disclosed over this thread?
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| April 12, 2013, 9:52 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
I'm having a hard time following all this war talk but I think I need to be nervous. From what I know, I am geographically right next to what could become a warzone at any moment. Can someone catch me up on who is fighting and where the active warfronts are so I can know whether I need wartime overdrive for defense or not.

Well, right sure I'm not sure if there will be a fight at all since one of the two parties in this conflict has suddenly gone AWOL. Anyway, I suppose I could set a temporary group if you want to ask a private question, although the current issues with MOCpages chat will be an issue.
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| April 13, 2013, 3:50 am
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The NCA has completed a new, highly versatile light autonomous MBT. Some design elements come courtesy of recon pics of the BU's M-13 Panther UGV.

The NCA's black division has undertaken a new project codenamed "Piledriver". No further details have been released and Black Division PR has informed us that no further info will be availible until the project is operational and in deployment.

P.S. Matthew or another admin, can I get an email or a flickrmail to ask you a private question regarding prject "Piledriver" that cannot be disclosed over this thread?

BU???? Do you mean EFCF or no.
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| April 13, 2013, 8:38 am
Quoting Christian Bish
BU???? Do you mean EFCF or no.

Your right, it was yours. I thought it said by Brickviller underneath. Sorry about that confusion.
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| April 13, 2013, 9:03 am
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The EFCF is now replaceing the YF-101 Thunderhawk with a aircraft that is faster, sleacker, and has more cargo space but at the cost of the guns. The new aircraft is the B-01 "Orbital" High-Altitude Bomber, can be out fitted with many explosive bombs. with room under the wing and in the bomb bay, the Orbital can drop over 5000lb of ordnece on any opponent. It also has Exalent Range do to the GR5/4-Rv4 Engines which are also good of the fual econmy. This aircraft along with the better looking Night-Fury will be relased to the public latter.
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| April 13, 2013, 2:32 pm
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The Orbital is ready take a look. Please remember, rate and comment.
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| April 13, 2013, 4:54 pm
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If anyone has yet to see my B-01 orbital Bomber, the is here and please rate and comment.

http://mocpages.com/moc.php/358690
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| April 13, 2013, 9:04 pm
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The EFCF now finished a new long range bomber: The B-02 "Titan" strategic Bomber and here is the link to the page.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358817
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| April 18, 2013, 8:18 am
The MBT-50 is entering full production after U.I.S army trials. The U.I.S also plans to make a armored recovery vehicle and engineer version of the MBT-50, along with some artillery variants.
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| April 20, 2013, 3:00 pm
Today in the BU's capital a containership crashed into a harbour section. After further inspection it seemed that it was pirated by several militans. The BU is still investigating the matter, especially since the BU wants to expand overseas.
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| April 22, 2013, 4:02 am
When I mande the "war is imminent . . . " remark, I meant nothign with vallk. Ima put this bpluntly Jack. Lay off the Warhammer before I have it lay into you. I am givint eh war:con an 8 (odds that war will be declared involving NCA; 8 = 80%). If Gaufran intereferes with NCA expansion any further, full retailiation will be delivered. We have initiated wartime overdrive production as a precautionary measure. The new Prometheus system, despite not recieving administrative combat clearance, is being rushed into service immediately.
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| April 22, 2013, 4:06 pm
Thu BU will begin developing a new meduim MBT, since the Ogre tank is to costly to produce and takes too much time.
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| April 23, 2013, 2:02 am
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
When I mande the "war is imminent . . . " remark, I meant nothign with vallk. Ima put this bpluntly Jack. Lay off the Warhammer before I have it lay into you. I am givint eh war:con an 8 (odds that war will be declared involving NCA; 8 = 80%). If Gaufran intereferes with NCA expansion any further, full retailiation will be delivered. We have initiated wartime overdrive production as a precautionary measure. The new Prometheus system, despite not recieving administrative combat clearance, is being rushed into service immediately.

Jack took most of those weeks ago, I just forgot to add them when I did the update, also Im sure jack will expand near his nation now, he only annexed those because valk declared war. Also unless you are declaring war, you cant have wartime pruduction.
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| April 23, 2013, 2:28 am
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Quoting Brickviller -
Thu BU will begin developing a new meduim MBT, since the Ogre tank is to costly to produce and takes too much time.

Awesome, I also have two new vehicles built. A T-90 style tank, and a Recon vehicle.
Im making an eastern european style faction next. They are my best stuff yet.
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| April 23, 2013, 2:35 am
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
Awesome, I also have two new vehicles built. A T-90 style tank, and a Recon vehicle.
Im making an eastern european style faction next. They are my best stuff yet.
Mine is also based off a T-90 variant, the T-90MS. Does yours look familiar to mine? I have tons of stuff to post, hopefully I can upload one today, maybe some smaller stuff, like a BRDM and a drone. My mech will get its own page as it contains too much awesomeness.

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| April 23, 2013, 4:02 am
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
When I mande the "war is imminent . . . " remark, I meant nothign with vallk. Ima put this bpluntly Jack. Lay off the Warhammer before I have it lay into you. I am givint eh war:con an 8 (odds that war will be declared involving NCA; 8 = 80%). If Gaufran intereferes with NCA expansion any further, full retailiation will be delivered. We have initiated wartime overdrive production as a precautionary measure. The new Prometheus system, despite not recieving administrative combat clearance, is being rushed into service immediately.

Although Gaufran's expansion towards your nation was intended simply reinforce my western territories in light of the threat of the war with Valk, Gaufran will not tolerate such direct threats to our interests. If the NCA does not cease all production of anti dreadnought weapons systems, and continues to show deliberate aggression towards the UGMC, then they will feel the power of our combined armed forces. This is your final warning, remove your troops from the border, cease increased production and surrender your heavy weapons in the next twenty four hours, or we will declare war.
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| April 23, 2013, 12:36 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Nightmaresquid
Awesome, I also have two new vehicles built. A T-90 style tank, and a Recon vehicle.
Im making an eastern european style faction next. They are my best stuff yet.
Mine is also based off a T-90 variant, the T-90MS. Does yours look familiar to mine? I have tons of stuff to post, hopefully I can upload one today, maybe some smaller stuff, like a BRDM and a drone. My mech will get its own page as it contains too much awesomeness.

I saw your mech and it had some crazy awesome details, and colors.
Mine is a lot like the T-90 MS, but its a bit differnt than yours.

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| April 23, 2013, 12:42 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
I saw your mech and it had some crazy awesome details, and colors.
Mine is a lot like the T-90 MS, but its a bit differnt than yours.
Here is an excellent Lego version of it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/babalas_shipyards/8652296928/in/photostream/
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| April 23, 2013, 1:41 pm
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With Gaufranian forces now mobilised and economic cool down put on hold, Gaufran has made another statement to the NCA.

Do not feel that you have taken us off guard with your recent aggression, as we have not only foreseen this, but have planned for it. The UGMC strongly advises that you take up our previous ultimatum and stand down, and that before you make any rash decisions, that you take a good look at your military strength. You are a fledgling nation, with a currently small, untested army. If you carry through with this, then be forewarned that we have already made plans for nothing other than the complete anaihalation of your forces.
--End Transmission--
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| April 23, 2013, 2:41 pm
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Today in the Company military forces worked to update all Pendragons in the field "Fixed ugly right arm, thank you photoshop XD"

http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?id=/user_images/56684/1366756541m

And in other news The company has begun hiring Mercs from the pre Babalon collecton, To facilitate there aging weapons, new models are being produced with updated targeting systems.
These units are effective in desert warfare.
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| April 23, 2013, 6:30 pm
The U.I.S plans to strengthen it's naval power with a submarine, land craft and an assault ship.
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| April 24, 2013, 4:27 pm
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I am speaking to you now from the gates of the royal palace, in Gaurnok Maxi. Two days ago, at 4:00 , the NCA sent us a message of aggression, saying that they would no longer tolerate our advances, or our military presence. We sent them another message, that if they did not stand down and surrender their weapons within twenty four hours, that our two nations would be at war.
I am here now, to tell you, that no such action has taken place, and that, as of today, we are at war with the Nationalist Corporate Alliance.
I know, that with courage and strength, we will stand victorious, and that our great nation will continue to flourish in the face of adversity. Today, we will show the NCA what happens when they decide to stand in our way, and what happens when they threaten our very lives! We now move, as one, to war!

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| April 25, 2013, 12:43 pm
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In light of extreme political instability in the continent of Patagonda, The Compay is pulling all forces out of our holdings and establising our new holdings in the northern tip of Ocealaw. Hopefully this can relive tentions from the republic, along with David leaving. As the hight of the war was a prolong cease fire there really isnt a reason for the republic to declare war on us. Our new location should also provide some isolation.

We are selling of the land this week.
Is anyone willing to purchase the western area of the company, "Tongoria will get it for free"
We will also be selling the nortern most territory.
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| April 25, 2013, 1:57 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
In light of extreme political instability in the continent of Patagonda, The Compay is pulling all forces out of our holdings and establising our new holdings in the northern tip of Ocealaw. Hopefully this can relive tentions from the republic, along with David leaving. As the hight of the war was a prolong cease fire there really isnt a reason for the republic to declare war on us. Our new location should also provide some isolation.

We are selling of the land this week.
Is anyone willing to purchase the western area of the company, "Tongoria will get it for free"
We will also be selling the nortern most territory.

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We would be happy to possess the western lands until the situation calms down.
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| April 25, 2013, 3:32 pm
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Gaufran is becoming increasingly unhappy with the EFCF presence in the north east, and would like to make clear that the land in between them is in our interests. Any attempt to annex these areas will be taken as a direct threat towards our eastern homeland.
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| April 25, 2013, 3:46 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
Gaufran is becoming increasingly unhappy with the EFCF presence in the north east, and would like to make clear that the land in between them is in our interests. Any attempt to annex these areas will be taken as a direct threat towards our eastern homeland.

EFCF will pull out next in three days due to some unrest of near by factions and will look at Isenphel so anyone can claim my territories it they please but only after I move out of the area.
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| April 25, 2013, 3:52 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
Tongoria is interested in these territories. We would like to know what do you mean by "get it for free"?
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| April 25, 2013, 4:42 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Nightmaresquid
Tongoria is interested in these territories. We would like to know what do you mean by "get it for free"?

I would feel a lot safer with Tongoria being between me and Valk, thats a payment in itself.
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| April 25, 2013, 4:52 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
I would feel a lot safer with Tongoria being between me and Valk, thats a payment in itself.
The Union accepts these conditions. Do we get all 5 patagondian territory of yours? If yes, our C-200 planes will be full with cargo in a week and on their way.
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| April 25, 2013, 4:58 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Nightmaresquid
I would feel a lot safer with Tongoria being between me and Valk, thats a payment in itself.
The Union accepts these conditions. Do we get all 5 patagondian territory of yours? If yes, our C-200 planes will be full with cargo in a week and on their way.

Yes, Ok we have a deal.
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| April 25, 2013, 5:56 pm
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Today the Company has realesed a picture of a new satalite system to put into orbit, they are superior to civilian satalites, and are even equipped with a defencive non lethal solid state electronic laser, for disabling missiles.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4849/satalitelddpic.png
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| April 25, 2013, 6:59 pm
Among rising tensions, as an effort to maintain peace Costigar presents the idea of a formation of the United Council. The Council will be a collection of politicians from their respective nations. The Council will vote on topics ranging from weapon limitations to trade routes. The Council is not an alliance though, nations in the Council are not obligated to defend other nations. In fact, nations in the Council can declare war on other nations in the Councik, albeit facing consequences for doing so.
Nations wanting to join please respond.
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| April 25, 2013, 8:13 pm
Quoting Colin Small
Among rising tensions, as an effort to maintain peace Costigar presents the idea of a formation of the United Council. The Council will be a collection of politicians from their respective nations. The Council will vote on topics ranging from weapon limitations to trade routes. The Council is not an alliance though, nations in the Council are not obligated to defend other nations. In fact, nations in the Council can declare war on other nations in the Councik, albeit facing consequences for doing so.
Nations wanting to join please respond.

THe NCA is interested in this, though it will not change the status of our rellations with Gaufran who has decided to make ultimadums of military disarmament. TO that we say only this: "You will feel the fire rain upon you should you dare suggest such a thing again."

We also refuse to acknowledge any further comunication with Gaufran, diplomatic or otherwise untill they remove all armored forces from 17 and 20. NCA Space Command has approved the immediate use of teh Prometheus system despite incomplete testing. Launch of the first satellites will commence at 0500 EST tommorow.
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| April 25, 2013, 9:47 pm
The NCA has come to a decision regarding the Gaufranian threats. We are in no mood to fight a war over an argument but we will not cowtow to a bunch of angry typing.

We are, however, not willing to ruin our diplomatic status with two people I greatly respect because their alliance-mate has declared a war that sprang from an insult fight.
We bring this offer to the table, The Prometheus system is being launched tomorrow at 0500 EST. It gives us global strike capabilities with evac times of less than 2 minutes. We are willing to abort the launch of this WMD, recind our hot-headed threats, and withdraw our offensive forces from the border on the condition that Gaufran does the same; withdrawing their troops and taking back their harsh words.

We wish to be the better man and end this pointless hot air blowing contest.
Squid, I deeply apoligize that you may get dragged into this due to your alliance and I ask with all the respect I have for you that I may have teh favor of not fighting Lockheart tanks on my borders.
-Zach

And Jack, consider this teh olive branch, I should hope you are as reluctant to engage in pointless bloodshed as the NCA.


UPDATE: We refuse, under any circumstances, to cease anti-dreadnought unit production. Gaufran is only ONE of THREE nations that we know to have dreadnought class airships. If Gaufran feels threatened by them, we apoligize, but due to the other threats, we will not cease.
There is however, two cases where we will cease. One is if we trade all our existing warhammers for the blueprints of the dreadnought.
The other is more complicated. We will cease all Warhammer production AND cede all teh land on teh continent to Gaufran should Gaufran help the NCA take control over the entire northeastern continent.
If neither of these are accepted, we will continue the Warhammer program as long as other nations posess dreadnought class airships. We are sorry for any discomfort.
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| April 25, 2013, 10:20 pm
Costigar unveiled its new Type 62 "Talon" main battle tank. They plan on ceasing production of the old tanks, and replacing them with the Type 62. Production is starting immediately.
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| April 26, 2013, 12:05 am
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Gaufran has prepared the following statement for the NCA.
we are not intending to drag our allies into this conflict, instead we wish to prove our military power alone, as a matter of pride.
we will not back off, as we do not feel threatened, simply insulted by your continued aggression.
we would also like to point out that your WMDs are against the laws of the land, therefore we will be taking no measures to defend against them.
there is no going back now, we are making final preparations for the upcoming conflict. diplomatic action will heed no results. soon, the gaufranian flag will fly over your cities, and your land will lie cratered and burning. this is our final message, we are cutting all further communication.
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| April 26, 2013, 12:42 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The NCA has come to a decision regarding the Gaufranian threats. We are in no mood to fight a war over an argument but we will not cowtow to a bunch of angry typing.

The Prometheus system is We are willing to abort the launch of this WMD,

I have for you that I may have teh favor of not fighting Lockheart tanks on my borders.
-Zach

Ive gone back and read all of Jacks posts, as far as I can see thats just typical D&C II speak, I dont think Jack was trying to insult you in any way, just playing the part of a trigger happy nation. Remember this is a war game, the point of it is to expand and declare war.

We wont be fighting in the war, as we are pulling out of the west.
Also WMDs are not allowed, the most powerful weapon that can be used is this. "I couldnt find the promethius so Im still not sure what it is."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs
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| April 26, 2013, 1:05 pm
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The Prometheus is a satellite used for dropping tungsten rounds from orbit, which while not really a WMD isn't allowed by the rules as far as I know. Anyway, FOABs are not the most powerful weapons allowed, as they only have a yield of 44 tons of TNT, while weapons with yields up to 2,000 tons of TNT are allowed.
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| April 26, 2013, 1:29 pm
No tungsten! We have a monopoly on tungsten! It's ours, all ours! D:<
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| April 26, 2013, 1:47 pm
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squid is right, it is nothing personal that I am attacking you, its just that your nation threatened mine, possibly unwisely, and my trigger happy government didnt like it. we need wars, so just get stuck in and do your best.
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| April 26, 2013, 2:17 pm
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Today the Company announces the successful new prototype cargo helicopter, the Zepher, will start production as of today. The Pavelow style chopper can seat 20 infantry, and is equipped with two door mounted miniguns. Its long range capability, and quiet engine, makes it perfect for spec ops, minesweeping, and general resupply operations.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5373/zephercargohelicopter.png
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| April 26, 2013, 3:01 pm
Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
. . . Ima put this bpluntly Jack. Lay off the Warhammer before I have it lay into you. . . . If Gaufran intereferes with NCA expansion any further, full retailiation will be delivered. . . . .

Read carefully. I said I would retailiate if you interefered with my expansion or continued to insult my plane. Your "trigger happy government" ought to rethink its war practices. It isnt a good way to make allys and the fact that you have one is quite impressive. For that bit of diplomatic skill, I applaud you. I say this, Gaufranian flags will never fly on NCA cities as we will see them burn by our own hand rather than lose them to Gaufran.
I give this last attempt to convince you that this is pointless. The Prometheus is going up and the current impact yield calculations are massive. I have stated before that if you renounce the declaration of war, I will disarm the satelites and cease all production of WMD systems.

And Jack, whether it is personal for you or not, it is for me and with all the fire the NCA can bring, I will defend my homeland. Invasion will be a mistake neither of us want to make . . .
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| April 26, 2013, 3:04 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
. . . Ima put this bpluntly Jack. Lay off the Warhammer before I have it lay into you. . . . If Gaufran intereferes with NCA expansion any further, full retailiation will be delivered. . . . .

Read carefully. I said I would retailiate if you interefered with my expansion or continued to insult my plane. Your "trigger happy government" ought to rethink its war practices. It isnt a good way to make allys and the fact that you have one is quite impressive. For that bit of diplomatic skill, I applaud you. I say this, Gaufranian flags will never fly on NCA cities as we will see them burn by our own hand rather than lose them to Gaufran.
I give this last attempt to convince you that this is pointless. The Prometheus is going up and the current impact yield calculations are massive. I have stated before that if you renounce the declaration of war, I will disarm the satelites and cease all production of WMD systems.

And Jack, whether it is personal for you or not, it is for me and with all the fire the NCA can bring, I will defend my homeland. Invasion will be a mistake neither of us want to make . . .

War is the point of the game, so if you don't like it, leave. As we have said, you cannot use your weapon, it is illegal. It would also be pointless if we all just allied with each other and sang kumbaya. I got my alliance by offering good stuff and giving support to nations that I agreed with. If you really don't want a war, then I will consider backing off. As to you destroying your own cities, if you rigged them to blow, then that would be a good strategy, but just burning them is pointless, as my country's motives are destruction, not colonisation. I am going to ignore your current annoyance, I have been annoyed in this group before when Matthew McCall criticised the dreadnought before it was finished, and before you joined. Getting mad leads nowhere. If you calm down then I will negotiate.

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| April 26, 2013, 3:28 pm
I often react without thinking. Then I step away and come back and hour later and reevaluate. My current evaluations have lead to the following conclusions.
Gaufran isnt in the mood to take on what they consider an annoyance. That is smart. Currently, I refuse to comment further as it would risk disclosing my defensive strategy. In our ongoing effort to be the better man, we are pulling our main offensive forces out of 16 and back to the borders of 15.

As a further war deterrent, I am happy to inform you that my Prometheus system is not a bomb and not nuclear. There is nothing in teh rules thread that says I cannot use it. Current calculations on the over 4000 ton slug are suggesting yields of over 10 megatons.

In other non-war news, production of said satelites has been cut short and only 3 will be finished due to a tungsten shortage.
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| April 26, 2013, 3:46 pm
Quoting Colin Small
No tungsten! We have a monopoly on tungsten! It's ours, all ours! D:<

Collin, my Prometheus requires massive ammounts of tungsten. I have run my mines dry. Can I offer you some deal where you supply me with the tungsten I need to finish the planned 6 satelite network in exchange for something? I have 3 done and ready to be launched then assembled.
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| April 26, 2013, 4:02 pm
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Quoting Colin Small
No tungsten! We have a monopoly on tungsten! It's ours, all ours! D:<

There are several Tungsten mines in EFCF territory, three of these mines have massive deposits and we are going to sell them for a some units or equipment.
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| April 26, 2013, 4:11 pm
Same offer to you regarding a tungsten supply deal. We have overmined our territory due to our taste for 200mm railguns and the Prometheus. Most of our territory now has large caverns beneath it from this mining. We will be willing to trade the Prometheus blueprints in exchange for assistance in completing the last 3 satelites. One is done and two more are under construction but we need to produce 21 more 4000 ton slugs which are 95% tungsten (its a kinetic bombardment weapon, size does matter).

UPDATE: After interpreting Gaufran's lates statement, we have elected to postpone the launch and assemply of the first 3 Prometheus satelites seeing a potential willingness to negotiate. The launch date and time are officially scrubbed until further notice.
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| April 26, 2013, 4:17 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
I often react without thinking. Then I step away and come back and hour later and reevaluate. My current evaluations have lead to the following conclusions.
Gaufran isnt in the mood to take on what they consider an annoyance. That is smart. Currently, I refuse to comment further as it would risk disclosing my defensive strategy. In our ongoing effort to be the better man, we are pulling our main offensive forces out of 16 and back to the borders of 15.

As a further war deterrent, I am happy to inform you that my Prometheus system is not a bomb and not nuclear. There is nothing in teh rules thread that says I cannot use it. Current calculations on the over 4000 ton slug are suggesting yields of over 10 megatons.

In other non-war news, production of said satelites has been cut short and only 3 will be finished due to a tungsten shortage.

I am glad we can talk about this better now. The rules aren't very specific, but If you read them, they say that any queries about the rules are sorted by an admin or mod, and their word is final. Matthew has disallowed super MAC guns, and no weapons can be placed in space, full stop. Sorry, but you really cannot go ahead with this, and he will back me on that one.

Considering you are fairly new, and have not had much time to build up a large army, I am considering not attacking, but I do want a war soon, seeing as the last one never started. Also, if a nation is conquered, they can become a terrorist faction, which can then lead an insurgency in another country and quickly form another faction, using their old tech.

This is essentially a competition, to be the last on the map, I am just taking the initiative, but if enough people disagree with my decision, then I will pull out. This will, however, mean that I may try to attack someone else. I like to be unpredictable. If you agree for the war to start, then can we go at each other? We could also limit it to some extent, as in, the winner doesn't aniaghlate the loser.
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| April 26, 2013, 4:24 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
Same offer to you regarding a tungsten supply deal. We have overmined our territory due to our taste for 200mm railguns and the Prometheus. Most of our territory now has large caverns beneath it from this mining. We will be willing to trade the Prometheus blueprints in exchange for assistance in completing the last 3 satelites. One is done and two more are under construction but we need to produce 21 more 4000 ton slugs which are 95% tungsten (its a kinetic bombardment weapon, size does matter).

UPDATE: After interpreting Gaufran's lates statement, we have elected to postpone the launch and assemply of the first 3 Prometheus satelites seeing a potential willingness to negotiate. The launch date and time are officially scrubbed until further notice.

The EFCF will help out the NCA with their Tungsten supply problems and and will also provide large quantities of Titralium steel to stregthen NCA units armor, the metal is used in all EFCF ground, air, and naval units exept The posiden-Class Experimental Aircraft Battlesubmarine which uses Telcorisum Steel.
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| April 26, 2013, 4:44 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook
You people seem to be IGNORING the fact that a 10 megaton impact is near the equivalent of castle bravo and might as well be nuclear! The largest allowed in the rules is 2 megatons and even thats more than necessary for a few squabbling factions. Also, according to the rules, satellites aren't by any means allowed to carry weapons systems, so production of these "prometheus" satellites breaks 2 rules and therefore makes their production off limits. End of story, no negotiations.
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Tyro's right; rules are rules, the Prometheus isn't allowed.

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| April 26, 2013, 5:49 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
You people seem to be IGNORING the fact that a 10 megaton impact is near the equivalent of castle bravo and might as well be nuclear! The largest allowed in the rules is 2 megatons and even thats more than necessary for a few squabbling factions. Also, according to the rules, satellites aren't by any means allowed to carry weapons systems, so production of these "prometheus" satellites breaks 2 rules and therefore makes their production off limits. End of story, no negotiations.

Isn't it 2 kilotons not megatons?
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| April 26, 2013, 5:58 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
Isn't it 2 kilotons not megatons?

It is, still doesn't make a difference; He can't use Prometheus.
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| April 26, 2013, 6:00 pm
I ahve read through the rules multiple times. I have been reading and rereading them to ensure the legality of this. It says that hte largest BOMB size is 2 kilotons. It also says no spacecraft, not no satelite weapons. Matthew said he thought it was disallowed but wasnt sure and didnt stop me last we spoke of it. If anyone can show me a specific section in the rules or a statement by admin, I will cease all production.

Kenyon, I am glad you finally see another path to this rather than war. After thinking, the threat that started it is now invalid as I was planning on taking your land to expand. The new continent to my west negates the need for such fighting.

Also, if your goal is destruction, why take on a small fledgling nation. If I were a third party, I would see it as a sign of cowardice. There is more prestige in larger targets. Instead of killing each other over a disagreement of the performance of the Warhammer, let us combine our massive railguns. Your will for destruction and mine for expansion would be the perfect combo.
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| April 26, 2013, 6:12 pm
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Quoting Colin Small
It is, still doesn't make a difference; He can't use Prometheus.

Sad :(, I was hoping to reformat the Satellite not as a orbital bombardment Satellite but as a High powered spy satellite armed with missile defense that will destroy any missiles that target the satellite and also missiles that are ICBMs or Brickviller's HAMCD-1 Missiles.
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| April 26, 2013, 6:19 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
Sad :(, I was hoping to reformat the Satellite not as a orbital bombardment Satellite but as a High powered spy satellite armed with missile defense that will destroy any missiles that target the satellite and also missiles that are ICBMs or Brickviller's HAMCD-1 Missiles.

I am still posting it as a creation and adding it to D&C. Even if I cant use it as a weapon (still in question, see rules thread for convo), I would still expect some fom of payment for the blueprints of the satelite should you wish to modify it. I dont hand out proprietary RetroDynamics property like that.
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| April 26, 2013, 6:31 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
I am still posting it as a creation and adding it to D&C. Even if I cant use it as a weapon (still in question, see rules thread for convo), I would still expect some fom of payment for the blueprints of the satelite should you wish to modify it. I dont hand out proprietary RetroDynamics property like that.

You got it, I will be also be sending 1 to you as a gift when they are done.

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| April 26, 2013, 7:15 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
Today the Company announces the successful new prototype cargo helicopter, the Zepher, will start production as of today. The Pavelow style chopper can seat 20 infantry, and is equipped with two door mounted miniguns. Its long range capability, and quiet engine, makes it perfect for spec ops, minesweeping, and general resupply operations.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5373/zephercargohelicopter.png

It looks good, but what's with the red outline?
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| April 26, 2013, 7:19 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
War is the point of the game, so if you don't like it, leave. As we have said, you cannot use your weapon, it is illegal. It would also be pointless if we all just allied with each other and sang kumbaya. I got my alliance by offering good stuff and giving support to nations that I agreed with. If you really don't want a war, then I will consider backing off. As to you destroying your own cities, if you rigged them to blow, then that would be a good strategy, but just burning them is pointless, as my country's motives are destruction, not colonisation. I am going to ignore your current annoyance, I have been annoyed in this group before when Matthew McCall criticised the dreadnought before it was finished, and before you joined. Getting mad leads nowhere. If you calm down then I will negotiate.

(I would like to point out that I was not criticsing the dreadnaught, but rather the unworkable CWIS concept :3 )
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| April 26, 2013, 7:22 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
You people seem to be IGNORING the fact that a 10 megaton impact is near the equivalent of castle bravo and might as well be nuclear! The largest allowed in the rules is 2 megatons and even thats more than necessary for a few squabbling factions. Also, according to the rules, satellites aren't by any means allowed to carry weapons systems, so production of these "prometheus" satellites breaks 2 rules and therefore makes their production off limits. End of story, no negotiations.

*cough* 2 kilotons *cough*

A megaton is 1000 time larger than a kiloton. XD
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| April 26, 2013, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
I am still posting it as a creation and adding it to D&C. Even if I cant use it as a weapon (still in question, see rules thread for convo), I would still expect some fom of payment for the blueprints of the satelite should you wish to modify it. I dont hand out proprietary RetroDynamics property like that.

Yeah, just because it can't be used the way it was originally conceived to be used doesn't mean there aren't other reasons to make them. :)
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| April 26, 2013, 7:29 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook

Typo :P He said his weapon would yield 10 megatons and i forgot to switch over to kilotons.

If you want to be technical, my math actually said 11.84 megatons. 10 was putting it mildly.
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| April 26, 2013, 7:35 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook
You really aren't helping your case

That isnt true. The admin has spoken. Matthew said a ICBM type delivery system was legal. Those slugs will still fall Tyro.
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| April 26, 2013, 7:43 pm
Go read in general discussion. Far as I am concerned, Matthew said this new method was OK. That is good enough for me.

I found the specific post, read:
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm going to have to agree with them on this. HOWEVER, you could consider building an ICBM system that drops similiar rods ito the one your satellite uses nstead... (as far as I know this doesn't violate the rules yet provides the same level of firepower.)


There you have it. In the words of David:
Quoting David Cook
Their word is law.
More will be added if necessary.

It is officially green lit.

P.S. This will be doubled in teh General Convo and INF3 so both arguments are ended.
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| April 26, 2013, 7:49 pm
ICBMs fly to the edge of space, often ejecting a first stage when they get there, cruise to the target, and then come down on the target. THat is exactly what this does, it heads up to the edge of space over the target and fires the rod. It doesnt dwell in space, it isnt built to. Just like an ICBM exept it is working partially like a flying cannon. Instead of falling on a target and exploding, it fires the slug. End of Story.

Additionally, Squid said I am allowed to use the same shells as the Prometheus satelites. So yes, I can deliver an 11.84 megaton impact force.
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| April 26, 2013, 9:20 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars Additionally, Squid said I am allowed to use the same shells as the Prometheus satelites. So yes, I can deliver an 11.84 megaton impact force.

Just to be clear Kenetic weapons dont do anywhere near that much damage .

thats 11.84 TONS "not mega tons, or kilotons."
About the same amount of power of a MOAB.

Check wikipedia, I think thats where you checked, but recheck it says tons.
So unless you equipping heavy nuclear weapons into your rods.
Also thats for a 22foot long rod, missile based ones would want to be shorter, or else a heavy element like tungsten wont want to leave the ground. XD


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| April 26, 2013, 9:32 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook

If nightmare knew the blast yield was 5000 times the allotted amount (Yes, it is, i did the math) he wouldnt've said that. He was probably just trying to shut you up. Go read the rules before you make your statistics.

Read my last comment. The one above yours.
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| April 26, 2013, 9:37 pm
Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
ICBMs fly to the edge of space, often ejecting a first stage when they get there, cruise to the target, and then come down on the target. THat is exactly what this does, it heads up to the edge of space over the target and fires the rod. It doesnt dwell in space, it isnt built to. Just like an ICBM exept it is working partially like a flying cannon. Instead of falling on a target and exploding, it fires the slug. End of Story.

Additionally, Squid said I am allowed to use the same shells as the Prometheus satelites. So yes, I can deliver an 11.84 megaton impact force.

Zach, the rules say nothing over two kilotons, so that means nothing over two kilotons. 11.84 megatons is well over two kilotons.
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| April 26, 2013, 9:37 pm
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Quoting Colin Small
Zach, the rules say nothing over two kilotons, so that means nothing over two kilotons. 11.84 megatons is well over two kilotons.

11 Tons is well under 2 KILOtons, Kentic weapons dont do that much damage, let alone a single megaton.
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| April 26, 2013, 9:38 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid
11 Tons is well under 2 KILOtons, Kentic weapons dont do that much damage, let alone a single megaton.

Yup. I just saw your response.
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| April 26, 2013, 9:42 pm
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Today the Company finished Unvieling a new type of ICBM, the golan. Its an 8 ton yeild kinetic launch vehicle thats is just barly as powerful as a MOAB, but is good against dug in targets, and has ultra low reaction time for enemy forces. It packs enough fuel for one trip up with just a little in reserve for aiming it, it has one shot.

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8513/kineticbombardment.png

"this should be an example for any future kinetic weapons."
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| April 26, 2013, 10:57 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
11 Tons is well under 2 KILOtons, Kentic weapons dont do that much damage, let alone a single megaton.

Actually, Kinetic weapons are capable of insanely high yields if they have either large amounts of mass, large amounts of velocity, or both. For example, while astroids are far more powerful than what Zach is proposing, the Dino killer asteroid is believed to have been around 200 gigatons. Halo Super MACs are rated in the megatons. While his system shouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as either one (I'm going to try and calc it), tungusteen dropped from orbit is nothing to sneeze at either.
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| April 26, 2013, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
True, i was just tweaking out there for a minute because he was basically talking about firing ICBM's with the yield of Ivy Mike XD

Yeah, I'm still not sure how he came up with megatons...
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| April 26, 2013, 11:41 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Yeah, I'm still not sure how he came up with megatons...

20 feet long, one foot wide tungsten rod, at mach 10, is equal to 11.5 tons of tnt.
Tungsten isnt light, so unless your building a station, and using shuttles to weld peices of tungsen, good luck getting heavier rods up there.

If you fire at much higher velocities "which is probably not possible unless you get a railgun up there, it would risk not being as accurate, and there is always a chance the coating "heat sheild" could end up flaking of, or being damaged, causing it to burn up.

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| April 26, 2013, 11:56 pm
Unbeknownst to everyone except for high-ranking government officials, Costigar is positioning several of its new "observation" satellites over the NCA.
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| April 27, 2013, 12:55 am
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Heres two more weapon systems for the company "I will make a large Ldd moc eventually".

Railgun firebase
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9126/railgunfirebase.png
Golan ICBM MIRV "Submunitions"
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1208/submunitions.png
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| April 27, 2013, 1:45 am
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Quoting zach

Also, if your goal is destruction, why take on a small fledgling nation. If I were a third party, I would see it as a sign of cowardice. There is more prestige in larger targets. Instead of killing each other over a disagreement of the performance of the Warhammer, let us combine our massive railguns. Your will for destruction and mine for expansionq would be the perfect combo.

I propose a truce, I hold back, but later, when you are bigger, I may declare war again.
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| April 27, 2013, 3:56 am
Right now, I have some more pressing threats to deal with. Brickviller and I are after the smae territory and a third person has joined the race. I got my hands full with the potential for territorial disputes right now.
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| April 27, 2013, 8:51 am
Quoting Colin Small
Unbeknownst to everyone except for high-ranking government officials, Costigar is positioning several of its new "observation" satellites over the NCA.

Is Costigar concerned over our production of tungsten rod droping missiles?
For the record, Ihave some diplomatic business I would like to discuss with you and your alliance. If we can have a private group, flickrmail, or email, they all work for me. Just send me an invite.
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| April 27, 2013, 9:01 am
In the interest of territorial expansion, the Alliance navy has departed for our ally, the AUDF. The AUDF has just issued an alliance-wide declaration of war against Daniel Boone. The full Alliance Navy fleet is now on its way to provide support to the warfront.
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| April 27, 2013, 10:28 am
 Group admin 
the oceanic defense force would like to declare war on daniel boone
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| April 27, 2013, 10:28 am
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Quoting navy person
the oceanic defense force would like to declare war on daniel boone

You may find that he has been inactive for pretty much half the year.
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| April 27, 2013, 10:41 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
You may find that he has been inactive for pretty much half the year.

so we cant attack?
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| April 27, 2013, 10:47 am
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Quoting navy person
so we cant attack?

No, you still can, but he's basically a NPC who will almost certainly lose to you guys.
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| April 27, 2013, 11:48 am
I remember a convo about if a person is inactive for so long, they can be attacked or annexed in the interest of keeping the game going, I also remember something about vallk and it not applying to him until he is back.

Not sure what the details were but if he has been gone for 6 months, he is clogging the map and interfering with our desires to expand. That said, is there a ruling on whether or not we can stomp him?
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| April 27, 2013, 11:51 am
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Quoting navy person
the oceanic defense force would like to declare war on daniel boone

Do you mean the green nation next to yours, because thats Elpas nation "slighter darker green".
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| April 27, 2013, 12:08 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
Do you mean the green nation next to yours, because thats Elpas nation "slighter darker green".

yeah
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| April 27, 2013, 12:10 pm
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Quoting navy person
yeah

He is also in active I think.
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| April 27, 2013, 12:38 pm
Too much tungsten! >:(
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| April 27, 2013, 12:44 pm
Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
Is Costigar concerned over our production of tungsten rod droping missiles?
For the record, Ihave some diplomatic business I would like to discuss with you and your alliance. If we can have a private group, flickrmail, or email, they all work for me. Just send me an invite.

You don't know that I put my Satellites over your nations. So, either this is god-modding or it shouldn't exist.
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| April 27, 2013, 12:46 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid
Heres two more weapon systems for the company "I will make a large Ldd moc eventually".

Railgun firebase
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9126/railgunfirebase.png
Golan ICBM MIRV "Submunitions"
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1208/submunitions.png



I see where you've got your inspiration from ;)
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| April 27, 2013, 12:59 pm
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Quoting Colin Small
Too much tungsten! >:(

Gaufran has just discovered a mountain made of solid tungsten, where it rains tungsten nuggets and the rivers flow with molten tungsten. Also, there are tungsten trees and tungsten rocks, and the clouds are tungsten vapour.

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| April 27, 2013, 12:59 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
Gaufran has just discovered a mountain made of solid tungsten, where it rains tungsten nuggets and the rivers flow with molten tungsten. Also, there are tungsten trees and tungsten rocks, and the clouds are tungsten vapour.

Ha! You just described the average Conglomerate mountain chain!

JK ;)
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| April 27, 2013, 1:08 pm
Quoting Colin Small
You don't know that I put my Satellites over your nations. So, either this is god-modding or it shouldn't exist.

You announced it in the INF, fair game. Here I was sticking up for you, I was gearing up to send my navy to interfere with bish's annexation of 192 and 193. Suddenly I think we may not be sharing this continent as peacefully as I had hoped given the spy satelites in action here.
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| April 27, 2013, 1:08 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
I remember a convo about if a person is inactive for so long, they can be attacked or annexed in the interest of keeping the game going, I also remember something about vallk and it not applying to him until he is back.

Not sure what the details were but if he has been gone for 6 months, he is clogging the map and interfering with our desires to expand. That said, is there a ruling on whether or not we can stomp him?

I vote yes to stomping.

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| April 27, 2013, 1:08 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Ha! You just described the average Conglomerate mountain chain!

JK ;)

LMFAO!
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| April 27, 2013, 1:09 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I vote yes to stomping.

YAAAAAY!!

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| April 27, 2013, 1:09 pm
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Quoting Colin Small
You don't know that I put my Satellites over your nations. So, either this is god-modding or it shouldn't exist.

Besides the fact that you announced that you did so, it's fairly simple to detect a satellite launch and then track it, this type of thing has been done for decades in the real world.
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| April 27, 2013, 1:12 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Besides the fact that you announced that you did so, it's fairly simple to detect a satellite launch and then track it, this type of thing has been done for decades in the real world.

I see that. Maybe I should re-phrase the original statement. The satellite isn't on a geostationary orbit, it still orbits around the planet. With that said, I'll understand if the technology is present to tell if a satellite is spying on you even if it is not on a geostationary "orbit". When I stated that we had a satellite up there, I simply wanted to use it as records if a potential war would break out, allowing me to say (in complete fairness) we would like to read sentence X and Y of the enemy's battle plan.
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| April 27, 2013, 1:20 pm
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Quoting Colin Small
I see that. Maybe I should re-phrase the original statement. The satellite isn't on a geostationary orbit, it still orbits around the planet. With that said, I'll understand if the technology is present to tell if a satellite is spying on you even if it is not on a geostationary "orbit". When I stated that we had a satellite up there, I simply wanted to use it as records if a potential war would break out, allowing me to say (in complete fairness) we would like to read sentence X and Y of the enemy's battle plan.
Yeah, I see what you mean, it would seem cheap in a war to all of a sudden say you had spy satellites when you never announced them before. Anyway, yes, as i understand it satellites can still be tracked even if they are non geostationary, but it would require a bit more effort.

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| April 27, 2013, 1:30 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
You announced it in the INF, fair game. Here I was sticking up for you, I was gearing up to send my navy to interfere with bish's annexation of 192 and 193. Suddenly I think we may not be sharing this continent as peacefully as I had hoped given the spy satelites in action here.

Interfering with my annexation of 192 and 193 will result in war be between us. Does anyone know where I can submit My battle plan to?
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| April 27, 2013, 1:43 pm
I dont see a formal declaration of war. Our navy is currently tied up in another war. That plus our recently spiked interest in the espionage activities of the BU mean your safe for the time being.
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| April 27, 2013, 1:55 pm
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Today, april 27, two jets entered service, the Ma.G-22 Waverider, the most modern, most nimble and fastest plane on New Babylon currently. Just don't ask about its price. It is replacing the aging F/A-40 Zeus. The other plane is the heavy long-range interceptor, the MiG-40 Turul. Both are built at a rate of 25/week in Turan Masina Zavod, one of our biggest factory north of Papigrad. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/359520
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| April 27, 2013, 2:42 pm
The U.I.S today has revealed the MBT-50/AVR, along with a new static mortar and assault ship.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/359521
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| April 27, 2013, 2:52 pm
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The EFCF has finished a coastal gun: The Jormonger Coastal 250mm Anti-Ship Railgun. The Jormonger can fire up to 250 miles due to the powerful fission reactor that is powering the cannon.
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| April 27, 2013, 3:24 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
the most modern, most nimble and fastest plane on New Babylon currently.

The Conglomerate objects these claims, pointing out that there are multiple other fighter that can compete with these new aircraft.
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| April 27, 2013, 5:10 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
The Conglomerate objects these claims, pointing out that there are multiple other fighter that can compete with these new aircraft.

I'm talking about the Waverider here as the Turul is much simplier design and the other planes can easily compete with it but it's another class. It has a lot of features that makes it the best. Thrust-vectoring, canards, forward swept wings, lifting body. These makes it most manouverable as no other aircraft posess all these features at the same time last I checked. Fold in wings make little air drag, waverider technology and Scramjet engine makes it the fastest.
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| April 27, 2013, 5:19 pm
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The EFCF is now working on another aircraft that will be a carrier based aircraft:

The YF-75 "Corsair" Long Rang strike Fighter

The blue prints will be available for trade when the fighter is done and with 30 of then ready to roll out.
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| April 27, 2013, 5:24 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
*cough Razorcat *cough
Razorcat is cool but there's much less air-drag on my wings but I don't know a lot of info about your jet. Not even what kind of engine it uses. Maybe it uses magic. Who knows :)

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| April 27, 2013, 5:29 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook
Yeah, two thrust vectoring Pratt & Whitney magic engines. Rainbows fire out of the nacelles.

Add a refueling rod like a british harrier and its a unicorn!
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| April 27, 2013, 5:39 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
Yeah, two thrust vectoring Pratt & Whitney magic engines. Rainbows fire out of the nacelles.
Now that's some high-tech stuff!:D

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| April 27, 2013, 5:39 pm
The NCA has officially released its new Phalanx line of MBT drones. IF anyone is interested in blueprints or trade models, lemme know over in ITF.
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| April 27, 2013, 5:40 pm
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