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INF3 Locked, please continue discussion here.
This for your nations new "new weapon systems, info about your nation, ect".

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| April 27, 2013, 5:38 pm
The NCA has now developed several concepts for our own metal storm weapon that we believe to be a step up from that of Tongoria. THe NCA has also begun expanding our space-ranged radar and is now examining several prospective designs for a Lightning Inty based anti-satellite missile.
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| April 27, 2013, 5:43 pm
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As Company scientists, and engineers continue to put out tech concept weapons, and power weapons, a new heavy missile launch system has been designed, The Panda lockdown MLRS. Its capable of firing 32 long range guided missiles.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8765/pandahighdef.png
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3270/pandamultipic.png

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| April 27, 2013, 6:08 pm
Interesting design. Remind me to use that hatch style on a missile sub or something, I really like it.

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| April 27, 2013, 6:17 pm
The NCA has finished its evaluations and selected a satellite killing missile design. With minor modifications to a Lightning's hardpoints, it can carry 4, which has been deemed sufficient to overwhelm any laser defenses and critically damage and destroy cameras, solar panels, and thruster systems.
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| April 27, 2013, 6:24 pm
The NCA is beginning work on a new prototype 400mm railgun that will serve as defensive turrets against armor and ships. This will also serve as a test be for the 400mm railguns we will be using on the two air dreadnought designs that ahve been proposed with the entrance of WaveTech shipyards into the NCA.
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| April 27, 2013, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
As Company scientists, and engineers continue to put out tech concept weapons, and power weapons, a new heavy missile launch system has been designed, The Panda lockdown MLRS. Its capable of firing 32 long range guided missiles.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8765/pandahighdef.png
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3270/pandamultipic.png

Very nice looking. I do have a request though. Could you put together a list of all the non-mocpages stuff you have created somewhere on this site?
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| April 27, 2013, 7:38 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Very nice looking. I do have a request though. Could you put together a list of all the non-mocpages stuff you have created somewhere on this site?

Already done, I post links in the stats, "still need to add this one though.
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| April 27, 2013, 8:34 pm
The Oceanic Defense Force is now a full alliance and will no longer be looking for valued members.

The NCA has begun prototyping on a dreadnought class airship.
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| April 27, 2013, 8:48 pm
Costigar renews the idea of the United Council. See below:

Among rising tensions, as an effort to maintain peace Costigar presents the idea of a formation of the United Council. The Council will be a collection of politicians from their respective nations. The Council will vote on topics ranging from weapon limitations to trade routes. The Council is not an alliance though, nations in the Council are not obligated to defend other nations. In fact, nations in the Council can declare war on other nations in the Councik, albeit facing consequences for doing so.
Nations wanting to join please respond.
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| April 27, 2013, 9:34 pm
Quoting Colin Small
Costigar renews the idea of the United Council. See below:

Among rising tensions, as an effort to maintain peace Costigar presents the idea of a formation of the United Council. The Council will be a collection of politicians from their respective nations. The Council will vote on topics ranging from weapon limitations to trade routes. The Council is not an alliance though, nations in the Council are not obligated to defend other nations. In fact, nations in the Council can declare war on other nations in the Councik, albeit facing consequences for doing so.
Nations wanting to join please respond.

As before, the NCA is interested. I will also run this by the rest of the Oceanic Defense Force.
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| April 27, 2013, 9:40 pm
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Quoting Colin Small
Costigar renews the idea of the United Council. See below:

Among rising tensions, as an effort to maintain peace Costigar presents the idea of a formation of the United Council. The Council will be a collection of politicians from their respective nations. The Council will vote on topics ranging from weapon limitations to trade routes. The Council is not an alliance though, nations in the Council are not obligated to defend other nations. In fact, nations in the Council can declare war on other nations in the Councik, albeit facing consequences for doing so.
Nations wanting to join please respond.

The EFCF is ready to join the council, but weapon limitations might not work for the EFCF because in the future the EFCF will be making a ICBM-type weapons that carries multiple warheads and cluster based missiles. Trade routes is a good idea to make some profit on stuff like Titrillium, Tungsten (EFCF owns several mines), and other stuff.
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| April 27, 2013, 9:49 pm
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Today upon hearing of new, and old nations alike releasing nice aircraft, the Company has released our own darkangle fighter, a stealthy hunter with Vtol, and internal weapon racks. Also equipped with thrust vectoring engines.

Over all pics "click to zoom"
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Weapons, Vtol.
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| April 27, 2013, 11:11 pm
The NCA has finished a new classified satellite program. Further details will be availible with its release tomorrow but what I can say now is that with it in operation, no satellite is safe . . .
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| April 27, 2013, 11:56 pm
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Even though weve posted so many new weapons over this past week, we have one more to release. The Vantage Supersonic Aircraft.
Its uses twin hydrogen injector Ramjet engines, to reach speeds of up to Mach 5.
Its based off of the Aurora X plane.

Advanced shading Pic "click to zoom"
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Multipic
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| April 28, 2013, 3:47 am
The NCIA, after a period of political isolation is ready tor eveal new weapons. We have a new stealth Attack Helicopter and several ships for our navy in the works.
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| April 28, 2013, 4:41 am
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Great, now everyone is using Metal Storm.
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| April 28, 2013, 5:01 am
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Great, now everyone is using Metal Storm.

LOl, yeah but just to be clear my aircrafts new weapon system although based off of yours isnt a metal storm weapon, it just shoots out airburst canisters. However its one of the most awesome things Ive seen on LDD. Ill be sure to comment on your aircraft later if I havent already, Its 6 AM and I still havent gone to bed.
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| April 28, 2013, 6:01 am
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The NCA is beginning work on a new prototype 400mm railgun that will serve as defensive turrets against armor and ships. This will also serve as a test be for the 400mm railguns we will be using on the two air dreadnought designs that ahve been proposed with the entrance of WaveTech shipyards into the NCA.
Good idea but can you be a bit more original. The name air dreadnought is unique to Gaufran, everyone else calls them airships, and those are the exact Same guns I have fitted to mine.

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| April 28, 2013, 6:39 am
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The NCA has finished a new classified satellite program. Further details will be availible with its release tomorrow but what I can say now is that with it in operation, no satellite is safe . . .

Other than a stealth satellite...
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| April 28, 2013, 6:40 am
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Great, now everyone is using Metal Storm.

Our prototypes are using depleted uranium shells.

Quoting jack kenyon
Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The NCA is beginning work on a new prototype 400mm railgun that will serve as defensive turrets against armor and ships. This will also serve as a test be for the 400mm railguns we will be using on the two air dreadnought designs that ahve been proposed with the entrance of WaveTech shipyards into the NCA.
Good idea but can you be a bit more original. The name air dreadnought is unique to Gaufran, everyone else calls them airships, and those are the exact Same guns I have fitted to mine.

My concept model looks nothing like yours. I am simply calling it a dreadnought class airship because that is the most apt name for it. my 400mm railguns also look nothing like yours. They are a bigger version of my 200s but with added accelerator rings for increased power.

Quoting jack kenyon
Other than a stealth satellite...

It isnt a stealth satellite. It is just quite small. That and its purpose and function on the battlefield is very sinister.
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| April 28, 2013, 7:54 am
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Troops are being re-arme with a new weapon system, the GLC-24. Basic infantry will use these weapons, but specialised forces, like recon or qucik reaction forces still use smaller carbines. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/359592
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| April 28, 2013, 8:09 am
All NCA infantry use our patented R32 tactical combat rifle. This is now up so people can see how killer it really is. The civilian version is availible for trading should any nation desire our rifle tech.
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| April 28, 2013, 9:02 am
--Open line to transmit
-incoming news transmission
Breaking news! The NCA has halted production of their new aerial warship. The WaveTech designers had this to say: "Our design is solid and will work as planned. Some of our construction methods used to achieve that design are proging to be more complicated than we had planned. After some analysis, we believe we have a better, simpler way to construct the ship."
Well, it looks like they will be meeting the launch deadline on time again. Back to you Ron
--end transmission
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| April 28, 2013, 9:32 am
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The EFCF has found and revised the M2 Dragoon blueprints so the Dragoon is now up to standards in the EFCF Arsenal.
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| April 28, 2013, 12:40 pm
The NCA has finished its new lineup of railguns for defensive emplacements.

The production or our new aerial warship is progressing ahead of schedule.
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| April 28, 2013, 1:06 pm
The presence of multiple nations on the northwestern continent has caused the NCA to redesign their territorial expansion plans.

The NCA department of military security has also issued this statement:
"Currently we are tracking a BU spy satellite over our territory on the continent. In order to share the continent peacefully, we request the BU remove this satellite within 48 hours."

The NCA is also concerned about the presence of the EFCF on there and is interested in some diplomatic negotiations with both the BU and EFCF.

UPDATE:Breaking news, NCA diplomats have flown in to teh capitols of both nations to discuss terms of various political agreements. The NCA has refused to comment on what the are hoping to speak with them about but they have said it is a highly classified measure.
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| April 28, 2013, 6:40 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The presence of multiple nations on the northwestern continent has caused the NCA to redesign their territorial expansion plans.

The NCA department of military security has also issued this statement:
"Currently we are tracking a BU spy satellite over our territory on the continent. In order to share the continent peacefully, we request the BU remove this satellite within 48 hours."

The NCA is also concerned about the presence of the EFCF on there and is interested in some diplomatic negotiations with both the BU and EFCF.

UPDATE:Breaking news, NCA diplomats have flown in to teh capitols of both nations to discuss terms of various political agreements. The NCA has refused to comment on what the are hoping to speak with them about but they have said it is a highly classified measure.

The EFCF is trying to make sure not to take all of the open territories on the main land, there are islands to the weat of EFCF territories. We will listen to any requests of NCA diplomats. The island of Tennora is a good spot for a naval base and a trade post, there is city called Bazraa City. THe city was built there so other nations can go there and trade to one and anonther. The Naval Base is based on the other side of the island, also the base has more coast guard forces then navay forces so the coast guard can protect the cargo ships from other countries
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| April 28, 2013, 7:19 pm
The NCA high command will be in attendance.

To the EFCF, we are intruged by your proposal of a naval base trading post. We just recently put a legacy supercarrier up for sale. We are also considering selling 2 legion class siege landing ships. They are some of the largest amphibious assault ships on the New Babylonian seas and are the only known ship of their size to be able to beach themselves, deploy a tank column then go back to sea.
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| April 28, 2013, 7:57 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The NCA high command will be in attendance.

To the EFCF, we are intruged by your proposal of a naval base trading post. We just recently put a legacy supercarrier up for sale. We are also considering selling 2 legion class siege landing ships. They are some of the largest amphibious assault ships on the New Babylonian seas and are the only known ship of their size to be able to beach themselves, deploy a tank column then go back to sea.

Thank you, the EFCF is willing open many trade routes and trade with other countries. The EFCF is looking for a couple of new ship to add to there arsenal and in return the EFCF is ready to sell some of our armor unit along with some aircraft. The EFCF High Command is proposing a Joint Naval Exercise with other nations if you wish to join the Naval Exercise.
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| April 28, 2013, 8:08 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
Thank you, the EFCF is willing open many trade routes and trade with other countries. The EFCF is looking for a couple of new ship to add to there arsenal and in return the EFCF is ready to sell some of our armor unit along with some aircraft. The EFCF High Command is proposing a Joint Naval Exercise with other nations if you wish to join the Naval Exercise.

We pride ourselves on our navy. We will be willing to participate. We also have not put the Legoin ships up for open sale yet. This is our first offer and it is being directed to you exclusively. We are also considering recinding our Legacy carrier from open sale and making an exclusive offer to another nation we are being diplomatic with.
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| April 28, 2013, 8:13 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
We pride ourselves on our navy. We will be willing to participate. We also have not put the Legoin ships up for open sale yet. This is our first offer and it is being directed to you exclusively. We are also considering recinding our Legacy carrier from open sale and making an exclusive offer to another nation we are being diplomatic with.

Thank you, what will you like to have for in return for the Legacy-class Supercarrier. The Joint Exercise is in three weeks or if you are in war, we will wait until you recover forces and economy.

On other news, the EFCF has finished two new units:

YF-75 "Corsair" Long Range UAV Strike Fighter

Jormonger Mobile Artillery

The Corsair was made at Noehime Aerodynamics and the Jormonger Mobile Artillery was made at Heltomic Industrial Factories. Both unit are up for trade if any one is willing to trade for the and the EFCF is also willing to trade other units like DU-14 Hound, M-66 Armadillo AFV, and M-14 Wombat LAV.
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| April 28, 2013, 8:56 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
Thank you, what will you like to have for in return for the Legacy-class Supercarrier. The Joint Exercise is in three weeks or if you are in war, we will wait until you recover forces and economy.

On other news, the EFCF has finished two new units:

YF-75 "Corsair" Long Range UAV Strike Fighter

Jormonger Mobile Artillery

The Corsair was made at Noehime Aerodynamics and the Jormonger Mobile Artillery was made at Heltomic Industrial Factories. Both unit are up for trade if any one is willing to trade for the and the EFCF is also willing to trade other units like DU-14 Hound, M-66 Armadillo AFV, and M-14 Wombat LAV.

I'd be interested in several AFVs and LAVs,particularly for technological dissection to create our own LAVs, HAAVs, and APCs. The Legacy is a big ticket item so I am not offering it cheap. I assume since only one is for sale you will be using it in combat and not for tech analysis?
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| April 28, 2013, 9:04 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
I'd be interested in several AFVs and LAVs,particularly for technological dissection to create our own LAVs, HAAVs, and APCs. The Legacy is a big ticket item so I am not offering it cheap. I assume since only one is for sale you will be using it in combat and not for tech analysis?

Yes, the EFCF will only use the carrier for combat only and what will you like of the two I have list and how many.
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| April 28, 2013, 9:09 pm
Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
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The NCA department of military security has also issued this statement:
"Currently we are tracking a BU spy satellite over our territory on the continent. In order to share the continent peacefully, we request the BU remove this satellite within 48 hours."

The BU is sorry, but it's impossible that a BU satellite is over your territory at the moment. That's because we don't see the NCA as a treath to ours. Whatever it is, it isn't ours.

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| April 29, 2013, 2:48 am
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The A.U.D.F has deployed its second tripoli class helicopter carrier and is currently developing a new helicopter to replace its aging type 1 naval helicopters.
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| April 29, 2013, 9:42 am
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A new aircraft project is underway. The project is named Extreme Deep Invader. More information will be released as the program continues.
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| April 29, 2013, 10:22 am
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Quoting Tyro Cook
10 years ago, Traxxus formed a group of it's best scientists and engineers to produce New Babylon's first 7th generation fighter. A definitive example of what kind of things are possible in the world of avionics. 10 years of designing, building, and spending have yielded a single prototype. The XT-80 Shadowhawk is the definitive example of speed, stealth, and maneuverability. Due to both high expense of manufacture and sensitivity of technology, only one has been and ever will be produced. As the CEO of Traxxus inc. it is my pleasure to invite all the faction leaders and top scientists to the unveiling of the Shadowhawk as a technological milestone at Alondite International Airport.

-Tyro R. Cook
Gaufran is surprised to learn of another 7th generation program running parallel to its own. Our best engineers will evaluate the design and decide on whether it is superior to our own.

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| April 29, 2013, 12:21 pm
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I am really surprised how much tyro has read my mind with the shadow hawk. Although it looks totally different to my planned black eagle, he has taken pretty much the exact same direction as me in trying to logically make a 7th gen fighter. Other than the nuclear reactor his ideas are near identical to mine.
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| April 29, 2013, 12:32 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
Quoting Tyro Cook
10 years ago, Traxxus formed a group of it's best scientists and engineers to produce New Babylon's first 7th generation fighter. A definitive example of what kind of things are possible in the world of avionics. 10 years of designing, building, and spending have yielded a single prototype. The XT-80 Shadowhawk is the definitive example of speed, stealth, and maneuverability. Due to both high expense of manufacture and sensitivity of technology, only one has been and ever will be produced. As the CEO of Traxxus inc. it is my pleasure to invite all the faction leaders and top scientists to the unveiling of the Shadowhawk as a technological milestone at Alondite International Airport.

-Tyro R. Cook
Gaufran is surprised to learn of another 7th generation program running parallel to its own. Our best engineers will evaluate the design and decide on whether it is superior to our own.
The Extreme Deep Invader program is also a 7th generation aircraft. It will soon begin its flight tests and hopefully enter production.

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| April 29, 2013, 2:06 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
You know what they say, great minds think alike. Maybe sometime we can knock heads together and push for an 8th generation.

Even with ramjets, we have kinda reached the zenith of jet fighter development, like the last of the piston engined fighters like the P51H and the Do335. To progress into the eighth generation, something truly radical needs to be done, and that would be space capability, which isn't allowed, yet.
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| April 29, 2013, 2:16 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
Even with ramjets, we have kinda reached the zenith of jet fighter development, like the last of the piston engined fighters like the P51H and the Do335. To progress into the eighth generation, something truly radical needs to be done, and that would be space capability, which isn't allowed, yet.

Pretty much this. We aren't allowing space capability (for good reasons), and there really isn't any other concievable way jet fighters can improve without magic handwaving.
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| April 29, 2013, 2:57 pm
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The Conglomerate has looked into metal storm technology, but has decided that it will stick with VRP Coilguns for its high rate of fire needs due to their far superior velocity and penetration power while still having a respectable rate of fire of roughly 3,600 rounds per minute.
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| April 29, 2013, 3:05 pm
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The EFCF has now release the YF-75 "Corsair" Long Range UAV Strike Fighter and is now ready to be deployed. If any one that has an interest in the Corsair, please ask in ITF. Here is the link to it:

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/359684
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| April 29, 2013, 3:29 pm
The NCA woud like to announce that it is officially shutting down Project Prometheus.
The project was concieved at a time when a sizable force was threatening the NCA. Due to the absence of this threat and the recent rise in NCA military power, our research and experimentation with multimegaton tungsten slug weapons is being brought to a close. The existing prometheus slugs have been remolded to half teh size and weight and the satellites scrapped. This has produced 50 Piledriver missiles.

The NCA is also announcing that we will not be producing any more piledriver missiles. We will not excede a stockpile of 50 for any reason as we see less of a need to have any form of WMD in mass quantities.
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| April 29, 2013, 3:35 pm
Quoting Brickviller -
The BU is sorry, but it's impossible that a BU satellite is over your territory at the moment. That's because we don't see the NCA as a treath to ours. Whatever it is, it isn't ours.

In such case, we would like to ask the BU a favor. Since you did have spy satellites in the area over NCA territory not long ago, can you use your satellites to determine who it is that is watching us?

Whoever it is, you ahve 24 hours to remove the satellite or we will remove it for you.
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| April 29, 2013, 3:46 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
Yes, the EFCF will only use the carrier for combat only and what will you like of the two I have list and how many.

After a brief review of the EFCF LAV and AFV designs, we have determined they will be of now help in teh construction of our models as we already ahve many concept sketches on the table. The NCA is still open to any offer from teh EFCF at this time in the ITF. Be warned, Tongoria has already stated interest in this item and it may soon turn into a carrier auction.
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| April 29, 2013, 3:49 pm
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The first pictures of the Extreme Deep Invader are released: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71461420@N08/8692981625/in/photostream
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| April 29, 2013, 3:53 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
After a brief review of the EFCF LAV and AFV designs, we have determined they will be of now help in teh construction of our models as we already ahve many concept sketches on the table. The NCA is still open to any offer from teh EFCF at this time in the ITF. Be warned, Tongoria has already stated interest in this item and it may soon turn into a carrier auction.

The EFCF will trade the one of each verdant of the wombat LAV plus 12 more wombats also 3 Armadillo AFV for the carrier and the EFCF would also include blueprints of both vehicles.
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| April 29, 2013, 4:00 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
The Conglomerate has looked into metal storm technology, but has decided that it will stick with VRP Coilguns for its high rate of fire needs due to their far superior velocity and penetration power while still having a respectable rate of fire of roughly 3,600 rounds per minute.

3600 can't compete with a million xD Btw these weapons are perfect for the Turul because of the speed of the jet. The target is only below the jet for a few milisecs so it hasn't got much time to deliver the grenades.
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| April 29, 2013, 4:06 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
The first pictures of the Extreme Deep Invader are released: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71461420@N08/8692981625/in/photostream

The NCA is interested in purchasing several of those for tech analysis. As you know we do have a supercarrier up for trade. Consider this our price.
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| April 29, 2013, 4:06 pm
The U.I.S plans for a new utility vehicle, plus some experimental navy craft.
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| April 29, 2013, 4:06 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
3600 can't compete with a million xD Btw these weapons are perfect for the Turul because of the speed of the jet. The target is only below the jet for a few milisecs so it hasn't got much time to deliver the grenades.

We are well aware that the rate of fire cannot compete. However, we are seeing this as a quality over quanity approach, as coilgun rounds fly farther and hit harder. To be clear, we do realise that rate of fire is important for aircraft and that metal storm does it's job well for that task, we simply see coilguns as offering alternative benefits.

In other news, we have a proof of concept aircraft that will be emailed to you, and we are interested in your thoughts on its wing design.
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| April 29, 2013, 4:18 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
We are sorry to tell the NCA that the EDI UCAV is strictly not up for sale. It is still an ongoing program and the vehicle is not fully tested.

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| April 29, 2013, 4:22 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Pretty much this. We aren't allowing space capability (for good reasons), and there really isn't any other concievable way jet fighters can improve without magic handwaving.

The NCA has an 8th gen fighter variant on the table right now but we lack the tech to build teh sramjets nessesary for the design to workproperly. We believe this fighter could be better but it is space capable. That and we don't even have a 7th gen fighter yet but one is in teh works, I assure you of that.
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| April 29, 2013, 4:55 pm
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The EFCF is in the process of refitting the Eagle with newer weaponry and a larger stabilizers. The Eagle will lose it 9 1150mm Heavy Gauss Cannons for 12 600mm high-powered Gauss cannons and several new weapons. At the same time the EFCF is in the middle of planning a new type of airship that is about the size of the Nike-Class but has more fire power and less crew to man it.
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| April 29, 2013, 5:03 pm
In other NCA news, several pilots, each an expert on a specific NCA aircraft, did flight testing on the Zeus. We have concluded that it's performance is a lot like a Lightning Inty. The pilot said it felt stiffer and less responsive in teh elevators. He also said that its roll and yaw handled excellently. Lack of elevator resonse has deemed the Zeus's performance wholly unsatisfactory for the purposes of the NCA air force, which requires a higher level of turning for dogfighting.

Other Tongorian tech has proved to yield great poroducts. A modification of the small Tongorian guided bombs has yielded the shell and guidance components to accomidate our new 50 pound antimatter warhead. This now gives us a 100ib bomb that can deliver the maximum 2 kiloton blast.

The Zeus has given us several new design models for ground attack fighters. One of which was a new rotary bomb bay capable of holding 36 of the new antimatter bombs.
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| April 29, 2013, 5:04 pm
The Absolute has conducted a new antimatter missile test. Anyone who dares cross paths with the Absolute will be met in DESTRUCTION! Anyone who tries and challenge the Absolute will be met in DESTRUCTION! All Hail Absolute! The Oceanic Alliance will seek and intercept those who challenge us! HAIL OCEANIC ALLIANCE! HAIL ABSOLUTE!
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| April 29, 2013, 5:35 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook
If it was possible to make an 8th ten fighter within the parameters of this games rules, don't you think someone would've by now? We've only just gotten into the 7th generation.

Like I said, the design is in planning but we don't have the tech needed to make it work.

Since I am talking to you, we are in the process of building a 6th gen fighter line. We would like to get a look at the designs for your 7th gen to bring ours up to a 6.5 gen fighter if Traxxus is willing. Keep in mind we do have a supercarrier on the trade market and you are welcome to have it for technical dissection.
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| April 29, 2013, 5:36 pm
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Quoting Zach Sykes; Master of all Things Mars
The NCA has an 8th gen fighter variant on the table right now but we lack the tech to build teh sramjets nessesary for the design to workproperly. We believe this fighter could be better but it is space capable. That and we don't even have a 7th gen fighter yet but one is in teh works, I assure you of that.

Which part of no space capable weapons do you not understand?

(edit: OK, so I read your replies below, and I guess it would be OK to say you are building one, but just don't exspect it to be allowed to work as advertised for the forseeable future. ;) )
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| April 29, 2013, 5:59 pm
That it's over 9000?
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| April 29, 2013, 6:03 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
I would be interested in seeing what you've got in the way of concept aircraft Matt. my email is talheid@mac.com.

I might be interested in trading files on certian conditions (such as it being exclusive, so you couldn't give it to others), but I'm not going to just going to give away a fighter to a buiness man who sells similiar fighters to others. ;)
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| April 29, 2013, 6:24 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
Oh no worries here. I have no interest in ripping off or giving away your designs, but as you know I am big into aviation and I love to see what others are doing. Seeing your guys creations has brought me a long way, especially if you look at the difference between the SK-12A Firebird and the SK-90 Firebird II. I believe you actually gave me my first comment ever on that particular mod. If you want me to send you any files, just ask.

On further thought, I might actually be willing to let you produce it if you could give me a little assistance on it. It's not exactly something easy to pull off, I'm trying to make an aircraft that is basically a mix between a sleek F-14 and a SU-47. This means getting the wings to work while having the aircraft still look good has been... dificult :P
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| April 29, 2013, 7:13 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook
We apologize for any inconvenience, but the XT-80 is permanently being stored in a heavily guarded warehouse for experimental tech at the Marava Air Base and will not be leaving under any circumstance.

We would like to explain to Traxxus that the NCA has one of the most encrypted wire transfer systems availible. We do not need to be within a mile of the aircraft. We can wire transfer blueprints more securely than anyone.

To Matthew, When I say "we do not have the tech to make it work yet" I mean its not going to be availible for several years (real years). That aircraft will never be in D&CII.

To Vallk, welcome back. Its good to know that the large blue nation to my south isn't just occupying space. Unfortunately, that territory is no longer ripe for the taking ( Just kidding. Who me?). Anyways, welcome back. I bet a lot has changed since you left.
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| April 29, 2013, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
I would be interested in seeing what you've got in the way of concept aircraft Matt. my email is talheid@mac.com.

I've been able to send emails from my phone, but for some odd reason my computer (aka where I keep my LDD files) is refusing to send emails. DX
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| April 29, 2013, 10:34 pm
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The EDI program continues. The first flight at Mach 3 was succesful. The plane showed excellent manouverability even at high speeds.

The next flight will be unmanned to determine its maximum speed. It is estimated to be between Mach 4.5 and Mach 5.

More information will be released as the tests continue.
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| April 30, 2013, 12:12 am
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Well, until I can get my email working agian I won't be really able to do much with it. However, Tyro, I should still be able to send it to you on facebook.
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| April 30, 2013, 10:40 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, until I can get my email working agian I won't be really able to do much with it. However, Tyro, I should still be able to send it to you on facebook.

How can I find you on facebook?
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| April 30, 2013, 12:06 pm
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the A.U.D.F has begun production of its first tilt rotor helicopter the LMH-90 albatross
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| April 30, 2013, 12:09 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
That was easier.

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| April 30, 2013, 3:13 pm
Vallk, The NCA has some important issues that we would like to discuss before you declare any wars. I am sending you an invite to a private group. If you are willing to hear me out, it would be bennificial if you did, then accept and we can talk.
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| April 30, 2013, 3:13 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
Oh no worries here. I have no interest in ripping off or giving away your designs, but as you know I am big into aviation and I love to see what others are doing. Seeing your guys creations has brought me a long way, especially if you look at the difference between the SK-12A Firebird and the SK-90 Firebird II. I believe you actually gave me my first comment ever on that particular mod. If you want me to send you any files, just ask.

Ah, someone as interested in aviation as me! I aim to work for Lockheed when I am older and absolutely love military aircraft. I have an interesting wing design lined up for my black eagle 7th gen fighter. It is an hybrid wing, with sweepback of forty degrees near the root, switching to a forward sweep of thirty degrees at the halfway point. Similar designs have worked with varying degrees of sweepback, and there is no reason with modern aerodynamics that the combination wouldn't work. In theory, the forward swept parts would give very good low speed handling, with both granting high speed performance.
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| April 30, 2013, 4:34 pm
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The EFCF has now finished refitting the second Eagle class warship that was finished but had no weapons. The Eagle will be equipped with multiple weapons and made more room for 2 more fission reactors so the Mass Driver does not have to use the energy from Main Drive units to power it up.
Here are some details of the ship.

The Mass Driver uses 2 kiloton Depleted Uranium Rounds and 2 kiloton Tungsten Rounds. The rounds will leave the barrel at speed of 7000-9000 miles/sec, the charge ring will increase the Accretion drives that will increase the time before the round stars to descend and Decelerat at a certen point. The Maximum range of the Mass Driver is 6km but the maximum effective range is 3.5km. The round has a blast radias of 4 miles in dinamiter, will destroy 12 meters of solid grade A Steel. Any aircraft cought in the wind trail of the round will ether get ripped apart or thrown back. The Charge time of the Mass Driver is 30min to an hour or vareies based on the stuation.

Will post it later.
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| April 30, 2013, 4:53 pm
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The Scarlet's flight at 25km was succesful. Its top speed was 950km/h. It is mow ready to be deployed.

Also, another program, the EDI is soon being finalised. Some minor changes have been applied:
- the cockpit is now redesigned providing more space for the pilot.
- changed VTOL thrusters layout
- added 25mm minigun

Tomorrow the EDI will be released to public.
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| April 30, 2013, 5:50 pm
The NCA has completed the airframe prototype for a new heavy fighter-bomber. Its wings are inordinately large to accomidate a massive ammount of hardpoints. This reduces its dogfighting effectiveness well below the NCA minimum (which is high by most standards as we rely on guns over missiles (hint hint: this means we are working on some ECM weapons too)).

It carries 36 of our new 100ib antimatter bombs.
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| April 30, 2013, 6:44 pm
The NCA's expansionplans have recently been in jeapardy with the potential exchange of much territory with the looming of war between Gaufran and the Landsknechte Republic. We are announcing a closed border policy. Until such time as the regeon is no longer a combat zone, our east and south borders are closed to all transit. If any nation wishes to trade or hold diplomatic talks, air and sea routes from the north and west are still availible.

We apreciate your consideration and thank oyu for you efforts to prevent collateral damage.
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| April 30, 2013, 6:52 pm
The Absolute has announced a new armored hover tank. But unfortunately we have nothing to post it with. BLASPHEMY! HE DOES NOT TOLERATE FAILURE!!!
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| April 30, 2013, 7:03 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
The EFCF has now finished refitting the second Eagle class warship that was finished but had no weapons. The Eagle will be equipped with multiple weapons and made more room for 2 more fission reactors so the Mass Driver does not have to use the energy from Main Drive units to power it up.
Here are some details of the ship.

The Mass Driver uses 2 kiloton Depleted Uranium Rounds and 2 kiloton Tungsten Rounds. The rounds will leave the barrel at speed of 7000-9000 miles/sec, the charge ring will increase the Accretion drives that will increase the time before the round stars to descend and Decelerat at a certen point. The Maximum range of the Mass Driver is 6km but the maximum effective range is 3.5km. The round has a blast radias of 4 miles in dinamiter, will destroy 12 meters of solid grade A Steel. Any aircraft cought in the wind trail of the round will ether get ripped apart or thrown back. The Charge time of the Mass Driver is 30min to an hour or vareies based on the stuation.

Will post it later.

Uhh... your numbers are completely contadictory and show a lack of knowledge of basic physics.

Hint: when something is going 7000 mile per second, it's going to travel much, MUCH further than 6 kilometers. Also, a round going that fast makes the 2 kiloton warhead useless since it would be FAR more powerful.

You also made the weapon not be able to fire it's weapon as far as its own blast radius, so it's gets hit by its own weapon. You can use something like this for calcing nukes: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2+kiloton+nuke .

Because of all this, your weapon is not allowed in its current state until changes are made to its stats.

(appologies for coming off as so aggresive, there is just a lot of "wrong" in the mass driver :3 )
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| April 30, 2013, 7:04 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook

Classic Matthew. I'm almost saddened that you haven't criticized the tech on my 3 latest fighters yet! I've come to expect it. :P

I'm still wondering why he has an atomic bomb calculator
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| April 30, 2013, 7:25 pm
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I'm still wondering why he has an atomic bomb calculator

Good point . . .
What happened to no nukes . . . EVER!!!!! ?

IJK. A nuke calc is actually pretty handy if you canr reinterpret for non nuclear.
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| April 30, 2013, 7:27 pm
--OPEN LINE TO TRANSMIT
--MESSAGE READS AS FOLLOWS
Today, the NCA launched 3 Lightning intys armed with our new tackler anti-satellite cluster missile. These Intys proceded to fly to maximum altidude, go vertical, firing missiles, and then flip back and dive to the gorund. We recieved a confimed kill of the satellite in geosync over the NCA.

We also announcing that the NCA has dispached what of its navy is not allocated for the war with Alparinia to the bay between 225 and 241. We are aware of Gaufrans recent colonizations and we are going to ask that they leave a 1 territoy buffer between them and our ally, the ASE. We urge Gaufran to acknowledge this as our new fighter bomber, whose internal bay can carry 72 kilotons worth of antimatter bombs will be deployed for combat operations in the next 24-48 hours.
We apreciate your consideration and compliance. Thank you.
-- END TRANSMISSION
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| April 30, 2013, 7:41 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook

Classic Matthew. I'm almost saddened that you haven't criticized the tech on my 3 latest fighters yet! I've come to expect it. :P

Don't worry, I just haven't gotten around to reviewing any of the new fighters that have been added in the past few days. ;) Besides, from what I've read it seems like a pretty decent idea, and my fighters are very similiar in concept anyways so it would be like slamming my own stuff. XD
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| April 30, 2013, 7:47 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
Wolfram alpha is actually a really handy website. I use it to check my math assignments. I never assumed it would be useful like this though XD

Yes, wolfram alpha has a few interesting features besides the obvious math stuff. XD
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| April 30, 2013, 7:48 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Good point . . .
What happened to no nukes . . . EVER!!!!! ?

IJK. A nuke calc is actually pretty handy if you canr reinterpret for non nuclear.

That rule still exists, as far as I know a calculater like this is useful for calculating other types of exsplosions besides nuclear detonations. ;)
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| April 30, 2013, 7:50 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Uhh... your numbers are completely contadictory and show a lack of knowledge of basic physics.

Hint: when something is going 7000 mile per second, it's going to travel much, MUCH further than 6 kilometers. Also, a round going that fast makes the 2 kiloton warhead useless since it would be FAR more powerful.

You also made the weapon not be able to fire it's weapon as far as its own blast radius, so it's gets hit by its own weapon. You can use something like this for calcing nukes: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2+kiloton+nuke .

Because of all this, your weapon is not allowed in its current state until changes are made to its stats.

(appologies for coming off as so aggresive, there is just a lot of "wrong" in the mass driver :3 )

Then What is a good stats for a mass Driver like the ones on the Eagle-class?
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| April 30, 2013, 7:54 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook
Also, I'm not sure if you've read any of my conversation with Jack Kenyon, but he appears to have hatched an idea to get the best of both worlds out of forward and backward swept wings without the structural drawbacks of a swing wing.

I am using a similar concept on my heavy fighter. The inner is straightedge and the outer half is forward sweep. My fighter bomber has an angle shift midway through to a faster narrowing wing but we dont use the shifting sweep on it.
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| April 30, 2013, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
Then What is a good stats for a mass Driver like the ones on the Eagle-class?

Going by this calculator: http://www.1728.org/energy.htm , a 11 short ton round at 41 kilometers per second would equal 2 kilotons of kinetic energy.
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| April 30, 2013, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
Also, I'm not sure if you've read any of my conversation with Jack Kenyon, but he appears to have hatched an idea to get the best of both worlds out of forward and backward swept wings without the structural drawbacks of a swing wing.

I'm going to look forward to seeing how he manages to pull that off. 0_0
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| April 30, 2013, 8:20 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm going to look forward to seeing how he manages to pull that off. 0_0

I know how to pull it off. You start the sweep the same way that Tyro starts his swept wings. Then, you transition over to a forward wingsweep. The interesting thing is if the trailing edge will be swept back then forward or if it will be forward swept all the way as my concept is.
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| April 30, 2013, 8:40 pm
The NCA is releasing some teaser images of our new fighter bomber.
http://imageshack.us/a/img809/157/ncafighterbomber.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img705/2644/ncafighterbomber2.png
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| April 30, 2013, 8:49 pm
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Today the Company released Images of our new Compact Combat Rifle, the L-21 Avalon

Side view, front
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5484/l21compactcombatrifle.png
Side view, back
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6169/l21ccr2.png

It fires .44 rounds, and 15mm grenades.
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| April 30, 2013, 9:01 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
You should get on xbox more often nightmare. I havent been able to talk to you since i rejoined the group.

Ive been somewhat bored with xbox, I was on for a few hours today though. Ive mainly been doing Ldd, and Pc games.
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| April 30, 2013, 9:11 pm
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
The NCA is releasing some teaser images of our new fighter bomber.
http://imageshack.us/a/img809/157/ncafighterbomber.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img705/2644/ncafighterbomber2.png


Hail ODF! Hail Absolute! Hail Zach Sykes!
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| April 30, 2013, 9:55 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I know how to pull it off. You start the sweep the same way that Tyro starts his swept wings. Then, you transition over to a forward wingsweep. The interesting thing is if the trailing edge will be swept back then forward or if it will be forward swept all the way as my concept is.

Don't get me wrong, what I'm seeing is still a nice aircraft, but I though you were saying that its wings were able to change what angle they were from a forward-swept position to being folded way back in a manner similar to the F-14. (this may or may not be what my newest fighter will be able to do :D )
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| April 30, 2013, 11:06 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Don't get me wrong, what I'm seeing is still a nice aircraft, but I though you were saying that its wings were able to change what angle they were from a forward-swept position to being folded way back in a manner similar to the F-14. (this may or may not be what my newest fighter will be able to do :D )

I do have a fighter with the same ability with the wings.
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| April 30, 2013, 11:28 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
I do have a fighter with the same ability with the wings.

Have you added it to MOCpages yet? If so, which one is it?
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| May 1, 2013, 12:09 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Have you added it to MOCpages yet? If so, which one is it?

Yes, it is the YF-75 "Corsair" Long Range UAV Strike Fighter. It is a drone, something like one of your larger Drone Fighters.
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| May 1, 2013, 1:31 am
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Quoting Christian Bish
Yes, it is the YF-75 "Corsair" Long Range UAV Strike Fighter. It is a drone, something like one of your larger Drone Fighters.

The corsair doesn't quite do the same thing that I'm talking about, although it's a somewhat similar concept.
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| May 1, 2013, 9:14 am
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Another 7th generation aircraft is roaming the skies of New Babylon, the EDI UCAV. It features all state-of-the-art Tongorian tehcnology. Sadly, the vehicle is not up for sale. It can be viewed at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/359801
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| May 1, 2013, 10:16 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
The NCA has completed the airframe prototype for a new heavy fighter-bomber. Its wings are inordinately large to accomidate a massive ammount of hardpoints. This reduces its dogfighting effectiveness well below the NCA minimum (which is high by most standards as we rely on guns over missiles (hint hint: this means we are working on some ECM weapons too)).

It carries 36 of our new 100ib antimatter bombs.

I am not sure, but I think that 100 Lbs of antimatter would equate to more than 2 kilotons, and you say it holds 36. Can someone do the maths, cus I don't know.

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| May 1, 2013, 12:26 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm going to look forward to seeing how he manages to pull that off. 0_0

The leading edge has two angles, forty degrees sweep back, then thirty degrees forward sweep. The trailing edge has a continuous thirty five degree forward sweep. The only problem is that when breaking the sound barrier, compressability from both parts of the wing would meet in the middle, which could be disastrous, but with some aerodynamic kinks, it could be passed over a part of the wing with no control surfaces, rendering the effect harmless.
The idea is based off of the Avro vulcan's hybrid wing, with differing angles of sweep back across the leading edge.
My final concept drawings are done, I am now working out how to make the landing gear retract.
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| May 1, 2013, 12:34 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
My final concept drawings are done, I am now working out how to make the landing gear retract.
Take a look at my aircrafts. Those 2x3 plates with hinges are perfect for the job

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| May 1, 2013, 1:09 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting jack kenyon
My final concept drawings are done, I am now working out how to make the landing gear retract.
Take a look at my aircrafts. Those 2x3 plates with hinges are perfect for the job

I meant the positioning and arrangement of the gear and doors. I haven't started construction yet, and probably won't for at least two months. I am just making op notch drawings and designs so that when I am able to start building, I don't have to waste any time.
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| May 1, 2013, 1:46 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
I meant the positioning and arrangement of the gear and doors. I haven't started construction yet, and probably won't for at least two months. I am just making op notch drawings and designs so that when I am able to start building, I don't have to waste any time.

I wish I as good at drawing. I'm only good at 2D drawings.
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| May 1, 2013, 1:50 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
I am not sure, but I think that 100 Lbs of antimatter would equate to more than 2 kilotons, and you say it holds 36. Can someone do the maths, cus I don't know.

It turns out one kilogram of antimatter (AKA 2.2 pounds) will result in a roughly 43 megaton exsplosion, so obviously armaments that have 100 lbs of antimatter are not allowed. In fact, not even weapons with close to a single pound will be allowed, we are talking fractions of a pound for allowable amounts of antimatter.
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| May 1, 2013, 2:35 pm
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Anti-matter is really hard and expensive to produce and store. I think all of the nations together couldn't even gather enough for a small blast.
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| May 1, 2013, 2:46 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
The corsair doesn't quite do the same thing that I'm talking about, although it's a somewhat similar concept.

Can you at least comment on it please along with the Jormonger Coastal 250mm Railgun and Jormonger Mobile Artillery.
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| May 1, 2013, 3:54 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
It turns out one kilogram of antimatter (AKA 2.2 pounds) will result in a roughly 43 megaton exsplosion, so obviously armaments that have 100 lbs of antimatter are not allowed. In fact, not even weapons with close to a single pound will be allowed, we are talking fractions of a pound for allowable amounts of antimatter.

YOu are misunderstanding me. The bomb's total wieght is 100 pounds. half of that wieght is guidance systems. The other half is in power cells and other systems in the warhead to prevent premature detonation. The warhead itsefl wieghs 50 pounds and contains 46 miligrams of antimatter, which will create a 2 kiloton yield.
I measure bombs by their total weight not by blast yield.
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| May 1, 2013, 3:59 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
YOu are misunderstanding me. The bomb's total wieght is 100 pounds. half of that wieght is guidance systems. The other half is in power cells and other systems in the warhead to prevent premature detonation. The warhead itsefl wieghs 50 pounds and contains 46 miligrams of antimatter, which will create a 2 kiloton yield.
I measure bombs by their total weight not by blast yield.
Never mind then, the weapon is fine. :3

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| May 1, 2013, 4:14 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
YOu are misunderstanding me. The bomb's total wieght is 100 pounds. half of that wieght is guidance systems. The other half is in power cells and other systems in the warhead to prevent premature detonation. The warhead itsefl wieghs 50 pounds and contains 46 miligrams of antimatter, which will create a 2 kiloton yield.
I measure bombs by their total weight not by blast yield.
Never mind then, the weapon is fine. :3

Yay, we are on the same page. My days of making multimegaton weapons are behind me. After all, Project Prometheus was concieved eaarly on as a way to compensate for our lack of military strength. That issue is rapidly going away as we are continuing o produce new units daily.

In other news, the NCA has announced it is holding production of its aerial warship. This as coincided with the release of the preliminary self evaluation section of the quarterly military tactical analysis report.
The report has cited the lack of any fighter bombers, bombers, heavy assault fighters, and ground attack aircraft.

As such, the NCA is holding the aerial warship project until it can fill some of the gaps in our air power.
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| May 1, 2013, 4:18 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
Can you at least comment on it please along with the Jormonger Coastal 250mm Railgun and Jormonger Mobile Artillery.

Maybe this weekend?
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| May 1, 2013, 4:22 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Maybe this weekend?

Ok, that's fine
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| May 1, 2013, 4:23 pm
I too feel like some of my newer weapons have some serious logic and/or physics glitches that I am overlooking. I am getting better at picking them out myself before posting but I could still use a McCall grade critique so I can see what I've missed.
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| May 1, 2013, 4:27 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I too feel like some of my newer weapons have some serious logic and/or physics glitches that I am overlooking. I am getting better at picking them out myself before posting but I could still use a McCall grade critique so I can see what I've missed.
I hope a Sylvan grade critique will be enough.

First, the Lightning is a beautiful aircraft. However, you should decide what it is, as first you call it an interceptor which are bigger not really good manueverable aircrafts designed to shoot down bombers and big planes. Then in the description you call it an air superiority fighters, which are nimble fast aircrafts with the purpose of shooting down other fast movers. Judging by its appearance it is the latter one.

Second, remove those big guns immidiately because those are for a close in support aircraft which is another, third role. One 25mm gatling is enough. The other guns are useless for dogfights. Replace them with AAMs, preferably in a missile bay. In its current form with this stealth technology it's like using a flash light and expecting not to see it, while other aircrafts are like infrared light for the naked eye.

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| May 1, 2013, 4:57 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook
Hey, I uploaded my 7th gen fighter. What do you think of it?

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| May 1, 2013, 5:00 pm
Quoting Tyro Cook
I suggest you acquire more STOVL craft, such as SK-105's, which would be perfect for protecting your warships with their slow speed supermaneuverability. Just some product placement ;)

After rigorous flight testing on the Skyraider, the NCA is exeptionally pleased with its performance and, if you are offering us another shippment, we gladdly accept. Our new fighter-bomber is VSTOL but it lacks the high speed hover fighting maneuverability to fill this role. Its large payloads do make it feared.
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| May 1, 2013, 5:29 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I too feel like some of my newer weapons have some serious logic and/or physics glitches that I am overlooking. I am getting better at picking them out myself before posting but I could still use a McCall grade critique so I can see what I've missed.
I hope a Sylvan grade critique will be enough.

First, the Lightning is a beautiful aircraft. However, you should decide what it is, as first you call it an interceptor which are bigger not really good manueverable aircrafts designed to shoot down bombers and big planes. Then in the description you call it an air superiority fighters, which are nimble fast aircrafts with the purpose of shooting down other fast movers. Judging by its appearance it is the latter one.

Second, remove those big guns immidiately because those are for a close in support aircraft which is another, third role. One 25mm gatling is enough. The other guns are useless for dogfights. Replace them with AAMs, preferably in a missile bay. In its current form with this stealth technology it's like using a flash light and expecting not to see it, while other aircrafts are like infrared light for the naked eye.

The Lightning Inty was completed much earlier than I posted it. It has teh big guns because I am preparing new electronic warfare systems that can render missiles useless. that and I am a fan of the classics.
The Lightning was one of my earlier builds and could be considered sub-standard if you really want to go there. As for its role, it has some very high performance ramjets that give it the speed to serve as an inty while it's aerodynamics give it the dogfightign capabilities of a superiority fighter. I would consider it almost Gen 5.5 tech.

Our new heavy fighter, a blend of teh dogfighting agility of an air superiority bird and the raw power of a ground attack aircraft, will be a Gen 6.5, designed to have some serious power and still dish it out to those smaller young guns.
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| May 1, 2013, 5:34 pm
new fighter-bomber has now had its loadout assignments complete. We have developed many new weapons for ourselves by modifying the Tongorian weapons recieved with the Zeus. Most of these have yet to recieve a repaint, though we have considered nt doing so as Tongoria has colored their munitions nicely.
The new F-155 Thunderhawk, AKA Thud II, will be featuring these as well as our new prototype Hailstorm cruise missile featuring metal storm technology.

EDIT: I forgot to add the image link. P.S. Imageshack is a great thing, almost as good as Flickr.
Link: http://imageshack.us/a/img823/2343/ncafighterbomberloadout.png
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| May 1, 2013, 5:59 pm
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Quoting Tyro Cook

Due to the engine outtakes' look it would be complex to build such system. I might try to build something. By the way, if it is unmanned, the AI can even use the VTOL engines during flight making it extremely nimble.

I still don't understand why yours is 3 dimensional as it can only move horizontally and vertically. That's only 2 dimensions.

As for directed energy, it has a defensive laser on its rear. It tracks incoming missiles and destroy them by creating malfunction in the missile's body.
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| May 2, 2013, 12:22 am
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Quoting Tyro Cook
Actually, the XT-80's engines thrust vector similarly to a ball joint, so they are 3 dimensional. And I would consider your tail laser directed energy countermeasures, however, nearly all of us other gen 7 designers have gotten rid of Gatling guns in favor of lasers, which are much more efficient, and the XT-80 uses a directed microwave weapon to incapacitate enemy pilots by causing extreme pain.
I came up with a ball joint design, but it's only a drawing so far.

If my UCAV is unmanned, your microwave is useless but my gatlings still can damage an unmanned aircraft wit their HEAT rounds.

In my opinion, a laser on a fighter sized aircraft is not powerful enough to bring down another one. It might cause minor damage. However, the laser on the Reaper is another class. It can shoot down ICBMs too.
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| May 2, 2013, 2:27 am
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Tyro Cook
Actually, the XT-80's engines thrust vector similarly to a ball joint, so they are 3 dimensional. And I would consider your tail laser directed energy countermeasures, however, nearly all of us other gen 7 designers have gotten rid of Gatling guns in favor of lasers, which are much more efficient, and the XT-80 uses a directed microwave weapon to incapacitate enemy pilots by causing extreme pain.
I came up with a ball joint design, but it's only a drawing so far.

If my UCAV is unmanned, your microwave is useless but my gatlings still can damage an unmanned aircraft wit their HEAT rounds.

In my opinion, a laser on a fighter sized aircraft is not powerful enough to bring down another one. It might cause minor damage. However, the laser on the Reaper is another class. It can shoot down ICBMs too.

When talking about lasers it's not safe to say they couldn't shoot down other aircraft. Some essays that I've read predict that the laser just might end up replacing missiles as the fighters primary armament. (it really makes a difference what type of laser tech you are talking about: http://www.orbitalvector.com/Tactical%20Weapons/Tactical%20Lasers/TACTICAL%20LASERS.htm)
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| May 2, 2013, 9:09 am
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
--OPEN LINE TO TRANSMIT
--MESSAGE READS AS FOLLOWS
Today, the NCA launched 3 Lightning intys armed with our new tackler anti-satellite cluster missile. These Intys proceded to fly to maximum altidude, go vertical, firing missiles, and then flip back and dive to the gorund. We recieved a confimed kill of the satellite in geosync over the NCA.
We also announcing that the NCA has dispached what of its navy is not allocated for the war with Alparinia to the bay between 225 and 241. We are aware of Gaufrans recent colonizations and we are going to ask that they leave a 1 territoy buffer between them and our ally, the ASE. We urge Gaufran to acknowledge this as our new fighter bomber, whose internal bay can carry 72 kilotons worth of antimatter bombs will be deployed for combat operations in the next 24-48 hours.
We apreciate your consideration and compliance. Thank you.
-- END TRANSMISSION

Costigar considers this an act of unnecessary aggression. Costigar starts to mobilise its forces. Tanks and aircraft are being located to bases on Costigar's borders. War is not officially declared, but tensions are reaching the breaking point between the two nations. OOC: Also, the satellite wasn't in Geosync, so you would have had to wait for a point when the satellite was over your land. Even then, it would have been hard to shoot down. It is armed with anti-missile lasers after all.
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| May 2, 2013, 10:45 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall

" It would generally not be a good idea for a vehicle that usually gets into fierce but brief engagements, such as fighter aircraft." Copied it right from that article xD
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| May 2, 2013, 11:17 am
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
" It would generally not be a good idea for a vehicle that usually gets into fierce but brief engagements, such as fighter aircraft." Copied it right from that article xD

I knew you were going to say that. XD
Anyway, that's because the laser in question was assumed to require a bulky separate power source from the main reactor, which is no longer true if the aircraft is powered by fusion.
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| May 2, 2013, 11:48 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I knew you were going to say that. XD
Anyway, that's because the laser in question was assumed to require a bulky separate power source from the main reactor, which is no longer true if the aircraft is powered by fusion.
So, it was regarding chemical lasers? Those need huge spaces.

Tongoria is currently working on an Experimental Fusion Reactor. It will be used in upcoming airships. The EFR will power supersonic rotorblades. This way the ships will be more efficient.
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| May 2, 2013, 12:15 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Matthew McCall
I knew you were going to say that. XD
Anyway, that's because the laser in question was assumed to require a bulky separate power source from the main reactor, which is no longer true if the aircraft is powered by fusion.
So, it was regarding chemical lasers? Those need huge spaces.

Tongoria is currently working on an Experimental Fusion Reactor. It will be used in upcoming airships. The EFR will power supersonic rotorblades. This way the ships will be more efficient.

Yes, chemical lasers are not a good choice for anything besides static structures and very large stuff like ships, but even then there are better alternatives.
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| May 2, 2013, 12:53 pm
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My fighter will have no directed energy weapons. I believe that in visual range combat, they are too slow working, and bulky. As any good fifth to seventh generation fighter should, though, my black eagle will be able to share targeting data with other aircraft, that will have powerful lasers. This means that the fighter itself doesn't need to carry them. It will however, have one of my patented three barrelled gauss CIWS guns, which can fire 6mm rounds at very high velocities up to ten times as far as current fighter cannons such as the Vulcan.
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| May 2, 2013, 3:51 pm
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Gaufran has asked the Lockheart company if it will be supporting them in the upcoming war. If they are willing to move back to their western territories then our old strategy needs only to be updated accounting for force size.
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| May 2, 2013, 3:53 pm
Quoting Colin Small
Costigar considers this an act of unnecessary aggression. Costigar starts to mobilise its forces. Tanks and aircraft are being located to bases on Costigar's borders. War is not officially declared, but tensions are reaching the breaking point between the two nations. OOC: Also, the satellite wasn't in Geosync, so you would have had to wait for a point when the satellite was over your land. Even then, it would have been hard to shoot down. It is armed with anti-missile lasers after all.

The NCA was tracking and engaged and destroyed a satellite in geosync. If you are admitting you have a satellite over us, we can happily remove it if you like.
P.S. The sat-killer missiles are cluster, 8 missiles in 1. One aircraft holds four. 4*8*3 planes=96 missiles hitting the target.
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| May 2, 2013, 4:06 pm
Attention EFCF and the rest of the Alliance of Free People. We are aware that your member, Vallk, has declared war on Gaufran and that Lockheart may be joining the fight. As a friend, the NCA would like to inquire whether the EFCF will be engaged in this war as it may pose a challenge to the construction of the naval trading post we had planned.
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| May 2, 2013, 4:25 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
The NCA was tracking and engaged and destroyed a satellite in geosync. If you are admitting you have a satellite over us, we can happily remove it if you like.
P.S. The sat-killer missiles are cluster, 8 missiles in 1. One aircraft holds four. 4*8*3 planes=96 missiles hitting the target.

The laser could fire at the cluster missile before it splits...
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| May 2, 2013, 4:31 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
The NCA was tracking and engaged and destroyed a satellite in geosync. If you are admitting you have a satellite over us, we can happily remove it if you like.
P.S. The sat-killer missiles are cluster, 8 missiles in 1. One aircraft holds four. 4*8*3 planes=96 missiles hitting the target.

The laser could fire at the cluster missile before it splits...
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| May 2, 2013, 4:31 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
The laser could fire at the cluster missile before it splits...

Double post.

And the missiles split a few miles from the target. That is why we sent a total of 12 after said satellite, to overwhelm the lasers if there were any.

We would like to point out that this satellite still remains unclaimed. Costigar thinks it was theirs but we assured them that is was in geosync and not theirs that we knew of.
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| May 2, 2013, 4:35 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Double post.

And the missiles split a few miles from the target. That is why we sent a total of 12 after said satellite, to overwhelm the lasers if there were any.

We would like to point out that this satellite still remains unclaimed. Costigar thinks it was theirs but we assured them that is was in geosync and not theirs that we knew of.
Those lasers can easily shoot down all those missiles as they can even eliminate an ICBM and these are much smaller, thus making the time for destroying a missile even shorter.

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| May 2, 2013, 4:41 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Attention EFCF and the rest of the Alliance of Free People. We are aware that your member, Vallk, has declared war on Gaufran and that Lockheart may be joining the fight. As a friend, the NCA would like to inquire whether the EFCF will be engaged in this war as it may pose a challenge to the construction of the naval trading post we had planned.

The EFCF will defend our boarders until called upon.

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| May 2, 2013, 4:50 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
The EFCF will defend our boarders until called upon.

There is some . . . "sensitive" talks that it is only fair I bring you up to speed on.
These are highly classified but you need to be aware of this. Be waiting for a group invite.

All members of the ODF, also be prepared for said invite.
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| May 2, 2013, 5:09 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Double post.

And the missiles split a few miles from the target. That is why we sent a total of 12 after said satellite, to overwhelm the lasers if there were any.

We would like to point out that this satellite still remains unclaimed. Costigar thinks it was theirs but we assured them that is was in geosync and not theirs that we knew of.

Lasers mounted on a satellite that high up would have an effective range of hundreds of miles, and would quite likely be able to destroy one of the large missiles once every dozen seconds or so.
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| May 2, 2013, 5:41 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Lasers mounted on a satellite that high up would have an effective range of hundreds of miles, and would quite likely be able to destroy one of the large missiles once every dozen seconds or so.

My missiles arent that big. I can mount 4 of em on a single plane, remember? being the size of a bomb you'd put on a fighter, I dont think the satellite would be able to see it well enough to shoot it at hundreds of miles. I could be wrong but that's okay. I will just send more planes next time.
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| May 2, 2013, 6:04 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
There is some . . . "sensitive" talks that it is only fair I bring you up to speed on.
These are highly classified but you need to be aware of this. Be waiting for a group invite.

All members of the ODF, also be prepared for said invite.

Ok, I will wait for the invite.
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| May 2, 2013, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
My missiles arent that big. I can mount 4 of em on a single plane, remember? being the size of a bomb you'd put on a fighter, I dont think the satellite would be able to see it well enough to shoot it at hundreds of miles. I could be wrong but that's okay. I will just send more planes next time.

The satellite won't see it visually (at least initially), but the missile could be detected by means such as radar and IR. Anyway, I'm not saying a satellite shootdown is impossible, but that it would be harder than it it nowadays due to satellite's being able to have countermeasures.
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| May 2, 2013, 7:10 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
The satellite won't see it visually (at least initially), but the missile could be detected by means such as radar and IR. Anyway, I'm not saying a satellite shootdown is impossible, but that it would be harder than it it nowadays due to satellite's being able to have countermeasures.

Since your making missiles sound highly unrealistic, I am now pondering the concept of a ground based installation with a laser like the reaper that can 1-shot a satellite, problem solved.

P.S. I havent recieved a single email notification of your replies. I think the MOCPages activity email system is busted . . . AGAIN!
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| May 2, 2013, 8:26 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Since your making missiles sound highly unrealistic, I am now pondering the concept of a ground based installation with a laser like the reaper that can 1-shot a satellite, problem solved.

P.S. I havent recieved a single email notification of your replies. I think the MOCPages activity email system is busted . . . AGAIN!

Oh, missiles are still realistic, but large numbers would be needed to overwhelm point defense. But while you are at it, you should consider letting your laser target stuff like aircraft as well. ;)

(Anyway, I'm not getting email from this convo either, but it is appearing in the activity bar.)
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| May 2, 2013, 9:00 pm
The Union has decided to declare war against the NCA as a preemtive strike. Let me know who will be combat moderators and such, so this can go quick.
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| May 3, 2013, 12:37 am
Quoting Brickviller -
The Union has decided to declare war against the NCA as a preemtive strike. Let me know who will be combat moderators and such, so this can go quick.

The Union WAS someone I would've liked to pe friends with. Clearly their spy satellites are all too imporatant to them. Effective immediately, the NCA is innitiating full naval blockade of teh Union colony to the west.

To my ally, navy, I have to pullout of the war with alparinia for this. If you want to help, we can postpone that for as long as we need.
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| May 3, 2013, 6:32 am
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Quoting Brickviller -
The Union has decided to declare war against the NCA as a preemtive strike. Let me know who will be combat moderators and such, so this can go quick.
I will be a CM.

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| May 3, 2013, 6:38 am
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