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Combat reports thread 2
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post any CR into this thread here, we dont want to clog up space with random ECT vs ECT, and ECT alliance vs ECT alliance.

IF a nation misses a Cr they have a ONE DAY overtime, and then the battle commences without them.

Nations have two weeks to post there first CR, with one week overtime.

CRs are weekly




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| June 24, 2013, 7:51 pm
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The old thread was filled up a bit so I made a new one seeing how the war will start soon.


The war between
ODF VS CFF, BU, and SMART
was declared on June 18th by Kenyon, The first weeks CR will be sent in on JULY 2.
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| June 24, 2013, 7:54 pm
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CR are in overtime now, everyone needs to post them by the end of this week "Saturday", by next Tuesday week 2 CR need to be sent in.
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| July 3, 2013, 3:07 pm
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The war was postponed because there was no CM. Now that I'm the CM I control the action. The first should be in by Sunday and the results will be uploaded in the next days. I gave you time because I came up with this new system, but it will help me greatly in this 4 player war.

The battle begins now.
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| July 3, 2013, 3:49 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
They can't attack you without declaring war.

Also There are more than 4 people at war, its a world war right now.

(A)
Nightmare
Jack
Brick
McCall
Tyro

(B)
Zack
Bish
"Possibly Wolf"

And any others that might sneak in.
But for now you need to Email all of these people.
Remember to join private groups first so people can talk quickly there.
You can organize it any way you want but everyone must be included.
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| July 5, 2013, 2:18 pm
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Quick question?

When is the combat report coming out?
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| July 14, 2013, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
Quick question?

When is the combat report coming out?

Sorry for taking so long but I couldn't find enough time last week. CR is coming today, no further postponing.
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| July 15, 2013, 2:35 am
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Sorry for taking so long but I couldn't find enough time last week. CR is coming today, no further postponing.


You where saying?
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| July 15, 2013, 5:23 pm
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is there someone that can be a CM for me and Sylvan.
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| August 13, 2013, 3:27 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
is there someone that can be a CM for me and Sylvan.

ME ME OH PICK ME!

I can volunteer. Just write your plans, send them to me here at counterstrikeguy@yahoo.com and I can dictate who wins and who get's to wash the dishes tonight...
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| August 13, 2013, 3:59 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

A veteran would be prefer.
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| August 13, 2013, 4:16 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
A veteran would be prefer.

Indeed. However, we thank you Wolf for your offer.
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| August 13, 2013, 4:21 pm
The AR may or may not be breaking alliance ties. I have yet to decide. I am active enough to do CRs. I volunteer as tribute.
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| August 13, 2013, 4:48 pm
Since Sylvan gave me the OK to be the CM, here are my ground rules:
I want battle plans by friday please (next friday XD).
You should expect the CM to come out on sunday.
Seeing the chaos (or rather lack thereof XP) it caused last time, spy satellites will only be used for recon and identifying enemy positions. They will not be used for battle plan grabs.
That aside, if both of you are ready today, I can take plans now if you want an early CM. Otherwise, please get them to me by next friday.
The best way to deliver them is by word or text document attached to an email. my email is:
Zmackme14@yahoo.com
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| August 16, 2013, 3:33 pm
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Friday is fine.

Btw, thanks for your e-mail, I'm pretty sure neither Christian or me knew it.
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| August 16, 2013, 3:56 pm
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Hay Zack, when will the CR be up and Sylvan, did you submite your plans to Zack

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| August 23, 2013, 12:59 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
Hay Zack, when will the CR be up and Sylvan, did you submite your plans to Zack

I will be able to finalise it by tomorrow morning (got my wisdom tooth removed yesterday and didn't feel like doing anything) You won't notice it, as you will be sleeping when I send it.
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| August 23, 2013, 1:52 pm
I am expecting plans in my inbox by tomorrow morning. Given that, it might be up as early as saturday if things are simple enough. Though, given who this is, I doubt plans will be simple, so expect sunday.
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| August 23, 2013, 3:36 pm
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Zach, my plans are in.
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| August 24, 2013, 11:11 am
Recieved. I have everyones plans now. I may be able to produce a CR as early as this evening. If I cannot, expect sometime tomorrow (before about 4pm my time)
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| August 24, 2013, 11:14 am
I am going to go ahead and release the CR now. Due to some formatting styles on battle plans, loss calculations are taking longer than expected. I should still have those done in 24 hours (okay, more like 28 since I won't get home til 3 tomorrow).


I decided to throw on this ;'Y EVALUATION' section at the end. It's some constructive criticism based on what I saw. If both of you follow that, things are guaranteed to get much more interesting very fast.
*grabs popcorn*

COMBAT REPORT:
The battle opened with an early para-drop of EFCF infantry forces 34 miles east of EFCF borders. The air drop went mostly undetected, only being engaged by Tongorian EDI UCAV fighters less than a mu=inute before the paratroopers jumped. Only one was lost prior to deployment but 3 more were confirmed destroyed on the return.
Tongoria led with a high altitude air cap with the EDIs. Much to their dissatisfaction, the air actually does get thinner and the EDIs had difficulty maintaining lift and maneuverability. With the EDIs moving extremely fast simply to maintain flight, they proved less effective of an air cap as originally predicted. The EFCF launched their own air cap from the north to cover their ground forces. The T-33 interceptors, found in the largest numbers, fell easy prey to the EDIs despite their difficulties. The EFCF Corsair UAVs and Flareguard fighters were far from easy pickings and were able to do substantial damage to the enemy’s air forces.
The EFCF focused mainly on a ground campaign while Tongorian forces opted for a more air based tactic. EFCF force moved in to the designated point 34 miles east of the EFCF border and set up shop in an abandoned city. This support consisted of much mechanized infantry, heavy armor, light armo, and artillery. With artillery suppression being laid down on the advancing Tongorian troops, the EFCF settled in and holed up.
Tongoria sent in a massive armor force to clear out the city. This armor force was engaged 10 miles from the target by another EFCF force bunkered in a city 18 miles to the northeast of the primary rally point. The Tongorian armor was able to repell the EFCF attack with only mild losses.
When Tongorian tanks arrived at the main target, they found a heavily reinforced EFCF battlement waiting for them. On the outskirts in open combat, the Tongorian tanks, supported by artillery fire and mechanized infantry, were far superior to the EFCF infantry, mechs, and other vehicles. Within the tight city streets, the lighter, faster, EFCF armor and infantry reigned supreme. Between the obstructions of buildings, AA fire, and the heavy laser defense web woven by strategically positioned Boxer units, Tongorian air support was rendered useless. The EFCF air support also faired the same, unable to approach and engage with the number of Tongorian AA units. The Boxers scored many victories over the Tongorian armor with their ability to strike and run. Hidden outside the city, the Skywatcher CIWS system, used in tandem with mobile radar, established itself as the sniper rifle of AA. It consistently scored critical hits on engines, cockpits, and even detonating munitions from many miles away.
As the battle raged, EFCF forces moved down from the city to the northeast to engage the enemy forces. Tongorian and EFCF forces ultimately were unable to force movement from the other and the battle continues.

In summary, EFCF land forces, particularly the Boxers, were able to do significant damage and proved their worth in combat, while the Tongorian air force was off to a rough start. Both nations remain locked in combat over the EFCF rally point in the derelict city in T-47.

MY EVALUATION:
Matthew, you pushed your aircraft hard, almost too hard, and they felt it. You also ran a massive head on campaign and the lack of tactical planning and maneuvering resulted in a less than perfect week for you.
Christian, Your forces performed well. Your Boxers excelled in urban combat but your emphasis on ground, even with your multitude of AA, would have been easy picking had you not been in a city.
Matthew, if you return to the complex tactics I have come to expect from you, you will be back in your natural element and inherently do better.
Christian, try to focus on a more varied approach. Do not focus too much on one battlefront.
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| August 25, 2013, 1:23 pm
The Official Losses:
Losses
EFCF:
234 Riflemen
81 Plex Troopers
34 Heavy Troopers
22 Medics
56 Engineers
18 Commandos
14 Guard Troopers
28 Gunners

28 M-47/T Moles
22 M-47 Gopher light fire support units
11 Boxer Rangers
21 Boxer AA
18 Boxer SPAAG
7 Boxer Skywatcher
8 Hobbit drones
24 M-02 Hogs
27 M-09 Rovers
32 M-66 Armadillos
52 APAPCs
18 Shepard tanks
31 Gardna mechs
28 War Hammer hover tanks
11 MAX recon mechs
44 DU-15 Hounds
32 UGV-01 Gremlins
27 M-212 transports

83 T-33 Interceptors
17 YF-75 Corsair UAVs
21 YF-74 Flareguard fighters
4 CL-125 Titans

Tongoria:
54 EDI UCAVs
21 MiG-40 Turuls
3 Ma.G-22 Waveriders
7 F/A-40 Zeus fighters
29 Vic-9 Avalances
3 ViC-50 Cheetahs

39 Type-57 Chynskas
27 Explorer AM4 Mechs
92 AFV “Boya” AA
22 AFV “Boya” 105mm
26 IFV-1102 Beasts
2 ZERS SAM units
452 MRAP “Rhino”s
287 Zak-438 Transport trucks
72 AFV “Boya” APCs
521 Soldiers


Note, I tried to balance these based off both the battle outcome and the ammount of forces deployed. Sylvan, your casualties may look higher but that is due to the fact that Bish fielded many more types of units so the loss per type was considerably lower.
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| August 28, 2013, 7:42 pm
-The Gaufranian/Absolute War-
Was declared by Jack Kenyon leader of the Gaufran on August 25 2703 without any probable cause or reason. However they claim that their nation is facing "overpopulation" and another was that they just wanted war mongering. The ASE responded with taking action on both defending their assets and country and using any means to countermeasure Gaufranian strengths. The war will be monitored by Christian Bish unless handed to another appointed Combat Moderator otherwise.

Plans are currently in the making and will be given to the Combat Moderator on the early month of September unless they both can make peaceful negotiations.
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| August 28, 2013, 10:10 pm
I wanted to do this one better but I had tests all week so school got in the way. TO make things worse, my mod team kept pushing me to get a release done by the end of the week, which we still didn't do.
Either way, here is the CR. Losses will follow VERY shortly (at least I'll try because Bish, you are still breaking your stuff up into battalions which makes these things take forever -_-)

This week the battle opened with a major tactical offensive by Tongoria. Their forces moved in with an inverted wedge to press the EFCF forces hard. Unfortunately, the EFCF forces were prepared for a massive assault and set up defensive lines. Tongorian forces met a massive wall of armor and infantry on the perimeter of the EFCF’s emplacements.
The larger, heavier Tongorian forces were able to eventually overpower the outer defenses, damaging much of the EFCF’s perimeter armor and forcing a retreat. Tongorian Chynskas patrolled the edges of the cities with extreme caution while infantry advanced slowly into the enemy controlled ruins.
Despite all the cautionary measures, the EFCF forces had the advantage knowing the layout and having the high ground. The EFCF forces did significant damage to Tongorian infantry but the Boxers were less effective at gunning down the Chynskas as said Chynskas were outside the city far enough to deter any would-be attackers.
Artillery played a major part this week as the Tongorian military moved several Ironclad ships up the river and into play. They also began using their Scarlet airships more offensively. Additionally, the EFCF stepped up their air game by fielding many more fighters to tackle the Tongorian aircraft. Neither side was able to achieve air dominance but one prominent role of the air was when several Nike patrol ships came across the Ironclads. They were able to critically damage one of the Ironclads with only 1 Nike lost. A railgun artillery strike called upon by the airships was also able to moderately damage another. Both vessels will be fully combat ready in 1 week.
In short, the EFCF has yet to mount any major offensive and is beginning to find itself outnumbered and outgunned. Neither side has gained superiority in any front yet have both sides begun to bring out the big guns. Only Tongoria has brought it’s navy into play.

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| September 6, 2013, 3:54 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I wanted to do this one better but I had tests all week so school got in the way. TO make things worse, my mod team kept pushing me to get a release done by the end of the week, which we still didn't do.
Either way, here is the CR. Losses will follow VERY shortly (at least I'll try because Bish, you are still breaking your stuff up into battalions which makes these things take forever -_-)

This week the battle opened with a major tactical offensive by Tongoria. Their forces moved in with an inverted wedge to press the EFCF forces hard. Unfortunately, the EFCF forces were prepared for a massive assault and set up defensive lines. Tongorian forces met a massive wall of armor and infantry on the perimeter of the EFCF’s emplacements.
The larger, heavier Tongorian forces were able to eventually overpower the outer defenses, damaging much of the EFCF’s perimeter armor and forcing a retreat. Tongorian Chynskas patrolled the edges of the cities with extreme caution while infantry advanced slowly into the enemy controlled ruins.
Despite all the cautionary measures, the EFCF forces had the advantage knowing the layout and having the high ground. The EFCF forces did significant damage to Tongorian infantry but the Boxers were less effective at gunning down the Chynskas as said Chynskas were outside the city far enough to deter any would-be attackers.
Artillery played a major part this week as the Tongorian military moved several Ironclad ships up the river and into play. They also began using their Scarlet airships more offensively. Additionally, the EFCF stepped up their air game by fielding many more fighters to tackle the Tongorian aircraft. Neither side was able to achieve air dominance but one prominent role of the air was when several Nike patrol ships came across the Ironclads. They were able to critically damage one of the Ironclads with only 1 Nike lost. A railgun artillery strike called upon by the airships was also able to moderately damage another. Both vessels will be fully combat ready in 1 week.
In short, the EFCF has yet to mount any major offensive and is beginning to find itself outnumbered and outgunned. Neither side has gained superiority in any front yet have both sides begun to bring out the big guns. Only Tongoria has brought it’s navy into play.

Hay what happend to the to the Missile Strike from EFCF Missle Stations????
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| September 6, 2013, 4:12 pm
There were, uhm, complications.
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/340/8/0/ima_firin_mah_lazor_by_elierthehedgehog-d34dzda.gif
Which sound a lot like laser firebases.
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| September 6, 2013, 4:29 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
There were, uhm, complications.
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/340/8/0/ima_firin_mah_lazor_by_elierthehedgehog-d34dzda.gif
Which sound a lot like laser firebases.

Scatter mean anything???

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| September 6, 2013, 4:37 pm
They were the giga bases. The scatters got taken out before they split.
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| September 6, 2013, 4:58 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
They were the giga bases. The scatters got taken out before they split.

Dat picture xD Exactly what I used.

Bish, you pretty much gave away the missile strike so I included my laser bases in my plan. lolz
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| September 6, 2013, 6:23 pm
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I think I need to kill several of my officers and soldiers. They let a Nike through the Scarlets, tons of aircrafts, AA missiles and laser bases.
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| September 6, 2013, 6:28 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Dat picture xD Exactly what I used.

Bish, you pretty much gave away the missile strike so I included my laser bases in my plan. lolz

* jots down in my notes about how to deal with Wolf's missiles*
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| September 6, 2013, 6:35 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
* jots down in my notes about how to deal with Wolf's missiles*

Hay McCall, Do you have Skype?

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| September 6, 2013, 7:44 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
Hay McCall, Do you have Skype?

Maybe? I don't actually know, one of our "family" computers does, I just don't know know about my own personal laptop. The Facebook Skype works.
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| September 6, 2013, 7:47 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Maybe? I don't actually know, one of our "family" computers does, I just don't know know about my own personal laptop. The Facebook Skype works.

how do I find you, and Find my name Chris Bish.
Will have my Judgement-Class battleship (Space Unit) as my Icon.
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| September 6, 2013, 7:56 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
* jots down in my notes about how to deal with Wolf's missiles*


>:/
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| September 6, 2013, 8:51 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

>:/

Now if only I had an even more extensive laser defense network than Sylvan... Oh wait, I do! XD
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| September 6, 2013, 11:56 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
how do I find you, and Find my name Chris Bish.
Will have my Judgement-Class battleship (Space Unit) as my Icon.

I'm not sure, I'll look into it. Personally, I've been communicating through Facebook with other members.
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| September 6, 2013, 11:57 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm not sure, I'll look into it. Personally, I've been communicating through Facebook with other members.

Yeah, facebook beats anything hands down.
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| September 7, 2013, 2:03 am
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Zach where are the losses??
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| September 7, 2013, 1:48 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Now if only I had an even more extensive laser defense network than Sylvan... Oh wait, I do! XD


*Preps up construction for a "superweapon"...type thingy*
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| September 7, 2013, 6:10 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

*Preps up construction for a "superweapon"...type thingy*

Remember, Admins reserve the right to disallow "super weapons" it they are considered to be game-breaking.
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| September 7, 2013, 6:44 pm
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Zach, have you finished the Wolf vs Jack CM yet?
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| September 8, 2013, 12:02 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Zach, have you finished the Wolf vs Jack CM yet?

I am doing wolfs and Jacks CR and Zach is the CM for me and Sylvan. I am just waiting for the Losses.

I am giving my self five days to do this and I do have a good CR though.
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| September 8, 2013, 12:05 pm
Losses:
Tongoria

22 EDI ICAVs
2 Ma.G-22 Waveriders

31 Type-57 Chynskas
1 Type-99 Armata
28 AM4 Explorer Mechs
65 Boya AA
34 Boya APC
21 Boya 105mm
18 ViC-9 Avalanches
7 MiG-40 Turuls
1281 Soldiers

2 Ironclads damaged (both back in action in 1 week)

EFCF:
1577 Riflemen
431 Plex Troopers
582 Heavy Troopers
31 Medics
38 Guard Troopers
386 Support Gunners
231 Gunners
327Grenaders
67 Snipers
128 Engineers
31 Commandos

22 M-47 Gopher light fire support units
21 Boxer Rangers
23 Boxer AA
17 Boxer SPAAG
4 Boxer Skywatcher
8 Hobbit drones
24 M-02 Hogs
27 M-09 Rovers
32 M-66 Armadillos
52 APAPCs
37 M-14 Wombat LAVs
16 M-04 trebuchet anti-air
24 Shepard tanks
19 Gardna mechs
24 War Hammer hover tanks
11 MAX recon mechs
44 DU-15 Hounds
32 UGV-01 Gremlins
7 M-212 transports
18 M48/T Mole troop transports

45 T-33 Interceptors
26 YF-75 Corsair UAVs
31 YF-74 Flareguard fighters
2 B-02 Titan trategic bombers
7 Thunderhawk multi-role aircraft
4 Night fury high speed bomber
7 F/A 40 Zeus fighters
8 SK90a Razorcats
1 Mi-54 Oleni VTOL gunship
2UH-44 Viper gunships
9 UH-44/T Viper transport gunships
1 Nike patrol ship
2 Nike patrol ships damaged (return in 1 week)

That should cover everything. In the event my caffeine fueled hyper-focusing missed something, yell at me.
Battle plans due next saturday.
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| September 10, 2013, 6:45 am
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This is my first CR so, Kenyon and Wolf; if there is any misunderstanding please contact me on skype if you have it. So now here is the CR+Casualties:

1st battle of Gaufran/ASE war

On the first day, Gaufranian forces opened the day with a creeping artillery barrage with 36 Dreadnoughts along with 3 battalions of armor and Mobile Infantry with good amount of success. Thanks to this, they managed to breech the wall on many points . Under the covering fire of the 400mm Mjolnirs from Gaufranian Dreadnoughts ground forces were able to move in with mild losses, while ASE lost a large amount of soldiers upon the destruction of the wall. At the same time, a flight of Black Eagles moved in and destroyed laser installations with MK 72 Cluster Bombs and "HARM" Anti-Radar Missiles. During that part of the mission, 15 Black Eagles were shot down while 3 where hit but regain flight control and successfully managed to get back to the airbase to be repaired and rearmed.

In T-241, there were many holes on the walls where Gaufran armor could go through. These units were first engaged by ASE missiles, but the CV-80 Mobile Laser units proved to be extremely useful. These vehicles intercepted all incoming missiles, minimizing casualties. After Gaufran units got closer, ASE couldn’t hold them off, so they finally made it into hostile territory. Gaufran found a large force massing in the middle of T-236 and T-241. These ASE units were caught unprepared with a missile strike from several Naumax class LCSs and the invasion force lost a third of its forces with many aircraft lost, along with half of its ground forces. This made them to retreat to friendly areas. In that battle 2 Dreadnoughts were damaged and 1 destroyed. Both Gaufranian airships that were damaged need 1 week of repair to be combat ready again.

Gaufranian Armor Column and several squads of infantry found a few Pharaoh MAC Artillery units and 2 ICBM Bunkers with 1 XL-1 Laser Base in the area. Gaufran tanks destroyed 3 Pharaohs with 2 heavily damaged and forced to retreat. Another one was destroyed by 3 Vindicator Heavy Tanks while the other made it to friendly base. The ICBM Bunkers were cleared out and captured. However, the laser base completely got . As Gaufran infantry broke in, 1 soldier sacrificed himself to self-destruct the entire base along with the surviving ASE infantry.

In T-236, The Zeus and Nimbus along with many ASE aircraft and ground forces, met the remaining Gaufranian Main forces. Gaufran soldiers fought bravely, with both side losing many soldiers. However, air force was much more successful, as ASE lost both Zeus and Nimbus falling prey for the Gaufran Dreadnoughts. 1 Dreadnought got lightly damaged, but does not need to be repaired the time being. 3 Gaufranian Dreadnoughts met the one of the new Leviathan-class Air Dreadnought “Bravo” series Airship. The Leviathan-Class Air Dreadnought did put up a good fight but was forced to retreat when it took a 400mm railgun to the Side. Another Leviathan-Class Air Dreadnought was taken down from a full salvo of Railguns from 2 more Gaufran Dreadnoughts. The damage ASE Air Dreadnought needs 2 weeks to be fully repaired and rearmed.
Fighter jets also fought for domination, but with only half of the ASE aircraft left, they only managed to shoot down a few Black Eagles.
As the main forces entered the wall, they met with fresh ASE forces that were rearranged to the breeched points. After 10 minutes of struggling to hold them back, Gaufranian dreadnoughts showed up and fired a massive volley at the defending forces. This caused huge casualties on the ASE side. Pharaoh Mobile MAC Artillery reacted with an artillery barrage.
An air battle was in process at T-236 with the Bermuda taking damage by Black Eagles. Even with the help of its escort (the Arcadia-Class Aircarriers), it went down and crashed on top of many ASE AA and artillery Emplacements.

Along with the Bermuda down for the count, the two Arcadia Airship were severely damaged and forced to retreat (Both ASE ships will require a week and a half to be repaired and rearmed). All 3 airships fired a barrage of 50 ton missiles and Incinerating Thermobaric missiles will little success of destroying 30-40 units of the main force with the rest of the missiles destroyed by mobile Lasers. Soldiers reported that it looked like fireworks from the ground. As the ASE air force was already weakened, the Gaufran Fighter had an easy job and dealt a major blow to the hostile ground forces there. Gaufranian Dreadnoughts destroyed 14 Airbases wllong with a large number of Emergence Ground Attack bombers and Viper Light Attack Helicopters.

Gaufranian navy went on a hunt for the Famous Super Ship "Leviathan" and sink it in the end, but at a cost. While hunting for the Leviathan-Class Super ship, they ran across one of the ASE Battlegroups (1st) and the war had their first naval battle. The battle started with 5 Hades-Class Heavy Destroyers sinking 2 Independence-Class LCSs and damaging the Allegiance Battleship, the remaining Gaufranian fleet has engaged the ASE Battlegroup. The battle took 3 hours and ended with 2 Hades-Class Heavy destroyers lightly damage, 1 Dreadnought minor damaged but as for the ASE fleet; the fleet took a serious toll with 1 Iron Maiden sunk, and 2 more Independence LCS destroyed and were forced to flee from the battlefield. 2 hours later they found the mighty super ship that was engaged by Battlegroup 3. One of the Hades Heavy Destroyers managed to hit the ship and the Leviathan Super ship was leaving a trail of smoke in her wake as she fled.

In the second naval battle both fleets duked it out, but ASE forces were forced away from the battle field with a crippling blow to their fleet of 25 ships, which was now down to a mere 16 warships. The UAV cover was knocked down by the Dreadnoughts Mini-Guns and Gauss CIWS turrets. With 4 Independence LCS destroyed, 3 of the remaining Independence LCS damaged, 2 Iron Maidens down for the count, the Kriegsmarine with major damage to her hull, the Hammer with mild damage, 2 Assault ships Sunk to the bottom, and the fall of The Nosferatu, the ASE is in a serious trouble now. As for the Gaufranian Fleet; they lost 7 Naumax Class LCSs, 12 Horus Drones, 1 dreadnought, 2 Hades damaged, 5-6 Naumax LCSs lightly to mildly damage and a dreadnought with serious damage. Both sides need 2-3 weeks of repair.

After 4 hours of nonstop searching for the Leviathan-Class Super ship, finally the ship has been located but it joined the 1st & 3rd battlegroup. Both sides lost many ships, but Gaufranian Navy completed their mission with 4 Dreadnought severely damaged and 6 destroyed, 35 Horus Drones destroyed and an extra 26 damaged. The ASE lost the mighty Leviathan Super ship along with 1 Victoria II, half of the Mercy Submarines, the remaining Iron maiden Class Destroyer and the Megalodon heavily damaged in the fight but took 10 Horus Drones with it in it final hour.

With the Blitzkrieg under way, ASE was hit with a massive blow, multiple ASE positions destroyed by Drones as well as Black Eagles and the Gaufranian forces now have Air Superiority. With the air controlled, Gaufranian Helicopters with Red Devils now can move ahead the main force and be deployed behind enemy lines and attack enemy forces. They will hold their ground until the advancing tanks reach them. The ASE being forced back by advancing Gaufranian Units, they have no other choice but retreat from T-236 and T-241 boarders for now.


ASE losses

Infantry
3,563 Rifleman
3,800 Stormtroopers
225 Hellhat Special Forces
350 Blackhat Special Forces
622 Heavy Infantry
300 Elite Heavy Infantry

Armor
39 Leopard II Tanks
35 Sheppards
12 Pharaoh Mobile Siege MAC
26 Bushmaster 104
18 Bushmaster 52
20 Gremlin IFV
100 APAPC

Airforce
49 AN-44 Viper Light Attack Helicopter
33 Phoenix UAV
37 Hornet UAV
25 MQ-9 Black Reaper UAV
17 Sparrow UAV
65 SS-10 "Skyshadow"
32 SS-15 Spearhead "Shadowdart"
38 A-22 "Sky Knight"
1 Zeus-Class Strategic Air base
1 Arcadia-Class Air carrier Lost 2 Arcadia-Class Air Carrier Damage (week and a half of repair and rearm)
1 Leviathan-class Air Dreadnought “Bravo” series lost; another need 2 week time for repair and rearm
23 Emergence Ground Attack Bomber

Navy
8 Independence-Class LCS
3 Independence-Class LCS: damaged 2 weeks to repair
1 Allegiance Battleship: Damaged 2 weeks to repair it
5 Iron Maiden-Class Destroyer/Gunships
1 Kriegsmarine-class super battleship: Damage (2-3 weeks to repair)
1 Hammerhead-class anti-ship submarine: Damage (2 weeks ot repair)
1 Leviathan class-Ultra Fortress/Dreadnought
2 Mercy-Class Missile Submarines
1 Megalodon-Class Submarine


Gaufranian

Infantry
3266 infantry
5875 Support Personel
250 Heavy Infantry
20 Shadow Drones
30 Red Devil Shock Troopers

Armor
38 Tyrant Tanks
19 Engineering Taanks
35 Vindicator Tanks
16 CV80 Troop Carrier
8 CV80 Mobile Laser
12 Arnadillo HLVs
8 Artemis Mobile Radars
8 Atlas Mobile Field Hospitals

Aircraft
35 Black Eagles
8 Dreadnounghts
6 Griffon Helicopters
22 Horus Drons

Navy
19 Naumax-Class LCSs
5 Hades-Class Heavy Destroyers

For the losses, it was a thinking processes. Wolf your forces may have numbers on your side but it is all about technology advancements. Kenyon, Your forces has the upper hand though some of your dreadnoughts did went down but without a fight and bringing some of ASE Aircraft down with it. For both sides ships, they will need 2-3 weeks of repair and rearm.
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| September 11, 2013, 12:39 pm
Hmm...Didn't McCall banned my Leviathan supership?
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| September 11, 2013, 12:55 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Hmm...Didn't McCall banned my Leviathan supership?

If you can refit it with proper weapons as well as making it at least 10m larger then Kenyons dreadnought and make have engines that allow it to move forward along with the the VTOL engines, that will make it proper also what do you think of the battle Wolf.
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| September 11, 2013, 1:01 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
If you can refit it with proper weapons as well as making it at least 10m larger then Kenyons dreadnought and make have engines that allow it to move forward along with the the VTOL engines, that will make it proper also what do you think of the battle Wolf.


Not the airship. This one-

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/361247

You just couldn't help but to add a Red October scenario? ;)
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| September 11, 2013, 1:08 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Not the airship. This one-

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/361247

You just couldn't help but to add a Red October scenario? ;)

Yes, Could not resist the Red October Scenario.
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| September 11, 2013, 1:18 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
This is my first CR so, Kenyon and Wolf; if there is any misunderstanding please contact me on skype if you have it. So now here is the CR+Casualties:

This is what I like to see in a CR, heavy combat, and a victory that wasn't one sided but was satisfying. You did a great job man.
When there is a CR it needs to be like this, one side should win, or at least score some ground, or soften things up. It sounds like it will take some time for wolf to recover his fortress castle defenses, and he has a fairly damaged infrastructure. But at least he didn't score a lot of casualties. Remember infrastructure, and fortifications cannot be built in wartime.
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| September 11, 2013, 1:22 pm
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I rephrased lot of the sentences, but I tried to stay true to the original text. Now it's much easier to read.
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| September 11, 2013, 1:27 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
I rephrased lot of the sentences, but I tried to stay true to the original text. Now it's much easier to read.

What are you referring to?
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| September 11, 2013, 1:30 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
This is what I like to see in a CR, heavy combat, and a victory that wasn't one sided but was satisfying. You did a great job man.
When there is a CR it needs to be like this, one side should win, or at least score some ground, or soften things up. It sounds like it will take some time for wolf to recover his fortress castle defenses, and he has a fairly damaged infrastructure. But at least he didn't score a lot of casualties. Remember infrastructure, and fortifications cannot be built in wartime.

Thanks for the Tip and the praise
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| September 11, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
What are you referring to?

My CR was barely readable but thanks to Sylvan he helped by rephrasing the sentences to make it readable.
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| September 11, 2013, 1:34 pm
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5 destroyers is a lot for me, but I am very happy to sacrifice em considering I gt the leviathan. As for grou d and air, I am really pleased. I knew using the black eagles in the ground attack role was risky, so only 35 lost is great for me. As far as drones go, I deployed 1000 shadow drones, and lost 20! How come I lost 0 sweeper or cyclops drones? Wouldn't they have been fighting with the infantry?
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| September 11, 2013, 1:36 pm
Who's up for Round 2?
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| September 11, 2013, 1:39 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
5 destroyers is a lot for me, but I am very happy to sacrifice em considering I gt the leviathan. As for grou d and air, I am really pleased. I knew using the black eagles in the ground attack role was risky, so only 35 lost is great for me. As far as drones go, I deployed 1000 shadow drones, and lost 20! How come I lost 0 sweeper or cyclops drones? Wouldn't they have been fighting with the infantry?

The Black eagles did alot of damage to enemy AA emplacements and enemy ground forces so that the Sweeper and Cyclops drones are safe for the next battle
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| September 11, 2013, 1:49 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Who's up for Round 2?

Well same thing as for the First CR, Wolf don't use your entier stats list; use smaller unit sizes also guys, can you add like some urben combat plans with in your main plans.
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| September 11, 2013, 1:56 pm
I am able to create more units right?

Or I am automatically barred from further production plus wartime cooldown?
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| September 11, 2013, 2:43 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
I am able to create more units right?


Ask one of the Admins, not me also this is bad A55 song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqlztH5LBEs
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| September 11, 2013, 2:45 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
I am able to create more units right?


Yes, you still can produce new units with the usual caps. No wartime production though.
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| September 11, 2013, 2:52 pm
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Can everyone pleas read my comment in GC thread, to vote for the rule change.
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| September 11, 2013, 3:08 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Can everyone pleas read my comment in GC thread, to vote for the rule change.

Your proposed change was kind of confusing.
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| September 11, 2013, 3:26 pm
Quoting Christian Bish
If you can refit it with proper weapons as well as making it at least 10m larger then Kenyons dreadnought and make have engines that allow it to move forward along with the the VTOL engines, that will make it proper also what do you think of the battle Wolf.


...The Leviathan ALREADY HAD REAR ENGINES...

You think I would not add any rear engines if I DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE IT. With that in mind...I would have gained a better hand on the battle.....
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| September 12, 2013, 2:38 pm
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Nightmare, when do you want the warplans in by?
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| September 13, 2013, 3:32 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Nightmare, when do you want the warplans in by?

Next Friday sounds good.
I need a list of the members who are at war.
Everyone who is participating also needs links to there creations in there stats.
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| September 13, 2013, 5:12 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Next Friday sounds good.
I need a list of the members who are at war.
Everyone who is participating also needs links to there creations in there stats.

Does that include other wars as well?
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| September 13, 2013, 5:20 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Next Friday sounds good.
I need a list of the members who are at war.
Everyone who is participating also needs links to there creations in there stats.

Me, The UIS, Conglomerate. According to my latest progress update, Ciphra will be helping out. If this is incorrect, someone correct me.
Unless Wolf gets out of war, he will not be assisting. Though someone in the UCA probably ought to go up and bust him out of that pickle.
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| September 13, 2013, 5:27 pm
*Random explosions*

Yeah it's definitely gonna be a pickle...
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| September 13, 2013, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Me, The UIS, Conglomerate. According to my latest progress update, Ciphra will be helping out. If this is incorrect, someone correct me.
Unless Wolf gets out of war, he will not be assisting. Though someone in the UCA probably ought to go up and bust him out of that pickle.

But who is fighting who? Also isn't all of smart going to be fighting?
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| September 13, 2013, 8:26 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
But who is fighting who? Also isn't all of smart going to be fighting?

If they are . . . well . . . nevermind.
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| September 13, 2013, 8:51 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
But who is fighting who? Also isn't all of smart going to be fighting?

Me and Sylvan are on cooldown time, It is Wolf vs Kenyon, McCall vs AR (vs) Ciphra(maybe) and UIS also when you up date the map, ODF is disbanded and I joined SMART. I think there is other thing that I need to say but I can put my finger on it.
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| September 13, 2013, 9:17 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Me, The UIS, Conglomerate. According to my latest progress update, Ciphra will be helping out. If this is incorrect, someone correct me.
Unless Wolf gets out of war, he will not be assisting. Though someone in the UCA probably ought to go up and bust him out of that pickle.

Tyro will also be assisting SMART, and Matthew S should be involved as well in some shape or form, it depends on how cool down is decided.
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| September 13, 2013, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Tyro will also be assisting SMART, and Matthew S should be involved as well in some shape or form, it depends on how cool down is decided.

Well, my navy is combat-ready.
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| September 14, 2013, 4:59 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Tyro will also be assisting SMART, and Matthew S should be involved as well in some shape or form, it depends on how cool down is decided.

My Navy Is Fully ready McCall
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| September 14, 2013, 8:24 am
Squid where and when do you want the Plans in by?
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| September 15, 2013, 3:57 pm
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Quoting Broken Bricks
Squid where and when do you want the Plans in by?

This coming Friday, and the results will be in by Monday at the most, but most likely Sunday.
lddmailtemporary@gmailcom
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| September 15, 2013, 4:34 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
This coming Friday, and the results will be in by Monday at the most, but most likely Sunday.
lddmailtemporary@gmailcom

So do you want it in a word document, or in the body of the email or both?
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| September 15, 2013, 5:01 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
So do you want it in a word document, or in the body of the email or both?

Email, I don't have word.
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| September 15, 2013, 5:03 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Email, I don't have word.

Ok, i sent you my plans.
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| September 15, 2013, 6:54 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Email, I don't have word.

Plan Sent
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| September 19, 2013, 4:10 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
This coming Friday, and the results will be in by Monday at the most, but most likely Sunday.
lddmailtemporary@gmailcom

I get an error message saying "The email address "lddmailtemporary@gmailcom" is not recognized. Please fix it and try again." when I try to send ,y plan. Any idea what might be wrong?
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| September 20, 2013, 3:22 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I get an error message saying "The email address "lddmailtemporary@gmailcom" is not recognized. Please fix it and try again." when I try to send ,y plan. Any idea what might be wrong?

A period is missing. It should be gmail.com
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| September 20, 2013, 5:27 am
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what has happened to wolf and my week 2 report? I thought Sylvan was doing it now.
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| September 20, 2013, 6:19 am
Quoting jack kenyon
what has happened to wolf and my week 2 report? I thought Sylvan was doing it now.

Sylvan said it would be up today. My plans for aiding the UIS should be done late today. It will take some time to finalize, got a lot of complex stuff going on. I did a lot of research to make this work. Worst case scenario, I need to take the overtime and get it in Saturday morning.
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| September 20, 2013, 6:31 am
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CM is coming Saturday morning. Not earlier, not later.
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| September 20, 2013, 7:30 am
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
CM is coming Saturday morning. Not earlier, not later.


Ahh the weekends...Perfect time to see how me and Kenyon has played it out...
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| September 20, 2013, 11:39 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Ahh the weekends...Perfect time to see how me and Kenyon has played it out...

Perfect way to start a weekend.
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| September 20, 2013, 11:52 am
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Perfect way to start a weekend.


*Explosions and bloody messes amok the field as usual*
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| September 20, 2013, 2:05 pm
With the amount of research I have been putting into my battle plan (which is expected to be complete late tonight, Squid, check your inbox early tomorrow morning), I am seeing things vastly differently and I guarantee that if I CM again, things will turn out vastly differently than anyone will be expecting. You have been warned, the percieved outcome may be far less likely than you intend.
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| September 20, 2013, 3:22 pm
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
With the amount of research I have been putting into my battle plan (which is expected to be complete late tonight, Squid, check your inbox early tomorrow morning), I am seeing things vastly differently and I guarantee that if I CM again, things will turn out vastly differently than anyone will be expecting. You have been warned, the percieved outcome may be far less likely than you intend.


I'm trying to be more proficient with my plans as well the next time I ever get stuck in a ditch.

Also wait till you see my newest fighter jet. Using a more detailed and slightly complex because I have renewed my experience of how a Lego should really be when it comes to aircraft! It's sorta of a 5th to 6th generation type but it uses a traditional Lockheed Martin styled body to that of an F-22 and a F-35 and uses similar functions and systems (apart from Artificial Intelligence interfaces of course because what in the world would we do without them?)

I'll post it soon after I have made my finalization and satisfaction of the product.
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| September 20, 2013, 4:11 pm
Plans away Squid. I should have all my bases covered. If it appears I left something important out, let me know ASAP so I can get it fixed for you quickly.
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| September 20, 2013, 11:14 pm
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I've reviewed all CR, some things have problems, but I wont discuss it here of course
for confidentiality. I will send E mails.

Well so far I've glanced over everything and have a 80% gist of what's happening but I won't be going in depth until tomorrow when I have the time, and am awake to do a full statistical review to analyze everything.

It will be an interesting one, lets just say that.
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| September 21, 2013, 12:49 am
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We are visiting relatives today and I don't know if it is only a lunch or the whole afternoon. So I must postpone the CR for later today, but don't worry, I spent a lot of time writing it so far. I want it to be as detailed and entertaining as possible.
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| September 21, 2013, 6:08 am
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Combat report, ASE Gaufran week #2

LAND

Gaufran couldn't use their plan to trap the enemy, as the ASE was high on defense. Instead, they met the most fortified parts of ASE and 450,000 ASE troopers. The Red Devils didn't even had a chance against such overwhelming numbers. Almost all of them were dead by their third day after drop, only a few made it back to friendly territory and they completely gone insane. One of the soldiers said:

"It was... te.. terrible. They w.. wer.. were every... ev... everyhwere."

Even though, Gaufran had air superiority, the air defense of City 01 was so thick, they couldn't really help the ground forces close to it. However, some Gaufran tanks, drones and infantry made it into the city, they either needed to retreat or faced annihilation. On open field Gaufran tanks with their sheer number were succesful, but now the fight is ongoing for City 01, the key for victory, for both sides.

ASE infantry did a wonderful job marking key targets for their Paharoh SPGs, which even took down Air Dreadnoughts, that got too close.

AIR

ASE couldn't achieve air superiority once again, but the massive amounts of AA installments in City 01 kept Gaufran birds and airhsips away from the city. However, far from the cities Gaufran striked hard and inflicted heavy causalties both in air and on ground, forcing ASE to retreat.

SEA

The opposing nations used all their naval vessels in this giant clash that lasted five days. Both side knew that it is important to rule the coast of 237.

The fast Naumax LCS ships found the enemy first and the battle began.

Guafran side:

-Battlegroup spotted south of T-224. Confirmed, those are hostile vessels.
-Roger that, inititate missile launch. Sea-skimming. Tube 1-12 fire on targets.
- Roger. Missiles away. Heading to target.
ASE side, Impaler II:
-Missile launch detected west of T-237 coast. 12 missiles heading our way.
-Get CIW systems ready and be ready for impacts. Lead main guns onto detected ships. Fire at will.
-Roger, turrets turning. Turrets on target.
-Fire!

Gaufran side:

-Missiles closing in on target. Unknown missiles detected! I repeat, unknown missiles are heading our way! These must be ASE, but how did they get so close?
-This is your captain speaking, get ready for multiple impacts!
On another location
-Captain, the spearhead of the battlegroup reports hostile missile strikes.
-Ok, let's get everybody ready.
-What is that on the sonar? Captain, multiple incoming torpedos out of nowhere!
-Evasive manouver! Now!
-We spotted them too late, no time for it.

Swift missile and torpedo attacks caught Gaufran ships off guard. These attacks inflicted heavy casualties, making them retreat. In the end no sides could achieve their goal. Both nations can expect huge losses for using all they had.

The ASE with weakened naval forces, but not with weakened heart, managed to live for the next week. They are losing on all fronts, in air, on ground an on the sea, but they managed to dug themselves into City 01, where they finally could stop the advancing enemy.

Actual casualties come later. I'm happy that I can even post it today.

My eyes are melting, so please be happy with this CR.



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| September 21, 2013, 3:14 pm
Until I can get the official report on my loses I will be :D

BTW nice outcome. The Impaler II and her underling predecessor the Impaler can both deliver sheer hellfire to her enemies. The ships were made to operate in direct close combat but also have the option to use long-range scale tactics using her vertical launch bays that can fire huge 2 kiloton to the even smaller 4,000lbs missiles. The Impaler II will make us proud because she is definitely 4 ships in 1. If she can outlive this battle I will make new upgrades to her arsenal...

As for land the City of 01 is indeed a hard target as well as many of my cities throughout the land of the Empire. All cities have the best defenses making them almost impregnable. I have a small example of what the buildings look like with the defense grids and positions.

Good fight Kenyon. But are you sure you can proceed with ROUND 3?
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| September 21, 2013, 3:39 pm
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I had 1000 shock troops deployed, and they were attacked by 450000! How does the ASE supply such a huge force? At least my numbers are realistic. I need to be building, I just do t have the time rigbt now. I think a suitable plan is in order now.
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| September 21, 2013, 3:41 pm
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Also, if 450000 men swamped my elite forces, wouldnt that be classed as a counter attack? If so, why did my manouvre not crush them? They ought to be completely surronded by now, especially if my tanks performed well.
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| September 21, 2013, 3:51 pm
Quoting jack kenyon
I had 1000 shock troops deployed, and they were attacked by 450000! How does the ASE supply such a huge force? At least my numbers are realistic. I need to be building, I just do t have the time rigbt now. I think a suitable plan is in order now.


You have no chance...I top over almost 11 million militarized populace thanks to my simple "programming" my people have and they take action against any non-affiliates of ASE.

I will counter your efforts until you finally drop.
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| September 21, 2013, 3:52 pm
Quoting jack kenyon
I had 1000 shock troops deployed, and they were attacked by 450000! How does the ASE supply such a huge force? At least my numbers are realistic. I need to be building, I just do t have the time rigbt now. I think a suitable plan is in order now.

You attacked him on his homeland. He is within his rights to throw everything he has at you while you have to hold back to prevent him from backstabbing you. Wolf has the homefield advantage here. Welcome to the burden of being the aggressor.
Quoting jack kenyon
Also, if 450000 men swamped my elite forces, wouldnt that be classed as a counter attack? If so, why did my manouvre not crush them? They ought to be completely surronded by now, especially if my tanks performed well.

If I read correctly, he is still within his lands. He has not launched any campaign on your lands far as I know so unless your battle plan defines counterattack differently, that would still be considered defensive operations.
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| September 21, 2013, 3:56 pm
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1. Wolf was constantly retreating.

2. Your troopers happened to be in the middle of his forces.

3. He is using all his troopers that he has in active service. I didn't even count his reserves.
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| September 21, 2013, 4:04 pm
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Ok, I've fully reviewed Zack, UIS, and SMARTs CR. I am waiting on Daniel to fix his CR.

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| September 21, 2013, 5:00 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Ok, I've fully reviewed Zack, UIS, and SMARTs CR. I am waiting on Daniel to fix his CR.

Re-sent mine, i hope the formatting is better
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| September 21, 2013, 5:59 pm
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You know, those torpedoes implies submarines. Submarines implies Zach is secretly involved as he has like 70 of those things compared to wolf's dozen. Jack, you might need to consider that you are quite possibly facing multiple opponents now.

* thinks about implications for what Zach has likely sent to attack me *
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| September 21, 2013, 9:20 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
You know, those torpedoes implies submarines. Submarines implies Zach is secretly involved as he has like 70 of those things compared to wolf's dozen. Jack, you might need to consider that you are quite possibly facing multiple opponents now.

* thinks about implications for what Zach has likely sent to attack me *

The AR is not in a position to get involved. We will not simply let an allied nation fall, and as evidenced by my earlier actions, I will not hesitate to lend-lease units to Wolf.
McCall, you should be very afraid of what I have sent.
Something that was spoken in private.
Quoting Zachary Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Wolf, here is a dozen submarine task force. Because I am preoccupied, I cannot get involved but I can spare these for you.
Make it count.

Looks like he made it count.
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| September 21, 2013, 9:34 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall

You know, I'm not sure whether to be humbled that such a move of tactical brilliance by Wolf was attributed to me or to be amazed by your audacity. Fear not, Broken and I will quickly put a stop to that.
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| September 21, 2013, 10:07 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
You know, those torpedoes implies submarines. Submarines implies Zach is secretly involved as he has like 70 of those things compared to wolf's dozen. Jack, you might need to consider that you are quite possibly facing multiple opponents now.

* thinks about implications for what Zach has likely sent to attack me *


The ASE denies any involvement from AR. We just simply agreed a trade for 150 jets, some subs, and additional supplies for one of my pre production units that's all.

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| September 21, 2013, 11:46 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
You know, I'm not sure whether to be humbled that such a move of tactical brilliance by Wolf was attributed to me or to be amazed by your audacity. Fear not, Broken and I will quickly put a stop to that.

Wolf doesn't seem capable of such a deed, I'm almost positive that you are responsible (since you are considerably more competent and have like 5 times as many subs) and just lying like usual when it comes to your plans (you do seem to be habitually deceptive when it comes to politics/strategies).
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| September 22, 2013, 1:00 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Wolf doesn't seem capable of such a deed, I'm almost positive that you are responsible (since you are considerably more competent and have like 5 times as many subs) and just lying like usual when it comes to your plans (you do seem to be habitually deceptive when it comes to politics/strategies).


You can speculate all you want. The ASE will take advantage of any offer our allies provide and use them to win our own struggles against such pitiful ruses. Meanwhile I still speculate that YOU have actually put Kenyon up to stall me from defending the UIS. Well consider this: I will drop EVERY scrap of Gaufranian war machines and bodies of infantry as proof that you are dealing with a pack not to be messed with. You tell Kenyon to back off. If you want to fight me then just say so and I will take appropriate action with AR and UIS to take you down. Otherwise keep out of my business affairs with my alliances.
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| September 22, 2013, 1:10 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

You can speculate all you want. The ASE will take advantage of any offer our allies provide and use them to win our own struggles against such pitiful ruses. Meanwhile I still speculate that YOU have actually put Kenyon up to stall me from defending the UIS. Well consider this: I will drop EVERY scrap of Gaufranian war machines and bodies of infantry as proof that you are dealing with a pack not to be messed with. You tell Kenyon to back off. If you want to fight me then just say so and I will take appropriate action with AR and UIS to take you down. Otherwise keep out of my business affairs with my alliances.

I will defend my allies Wolf, I can take down any of your cites with ease. But for now, I will assist McCall after the first CR for the war that he is in.
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| September 22, 2013, 1:37 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

You can speculate all you want. The ASE will take advantage of any offer our allies provide and use them to win our own struggles against such pitiful ruses. Meanwhile I still speculate that YOU have actually put Kenyon up to stall me from defending the UIS. Well consider this: I will drop EVERY scrap of Gaufranian war machines and bodies of infantry as proof that you are dealing with a pack not to be messed with. You tell Kenyon to back off. If you want to fight me then just say so and I will take appropriate action with AR and UIS to take you down. Otherwise keep out of my business affairs with my alliances.

I never talked with Jack, although I appreciate that he is conquering you, I had virtually nothing to do with his decision to do so. As I didn't even ask him to attack you guys, I see no reason to ask him to stop. If anything, assuming I didn't take too much of a beating in this CM, I might just end up giving him some support.

Anyway, thanks for admitting that Zach is responsible for those subs. :)
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| September 22, 2013, 1:57 am
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Quoting Christian Bish
I will defend my allies Wolf, I can take down any of your cites with ease. But for now, I will assist McCall after the first CR for the war that he is in.

I'm sure both my forces and my opponent's forces are about to get very bloodied, your help is much appreciated and should hopefully tip the balance decisively in our favor.
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| September 22, 2013, 1:59 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
I never talked with Jack, although I appreciate that he is conquering you, I had virtually nothing to do with his decision to do so. As I didn't even ask him to attack you guys, I see no reason to ask him to stop. If anything, assuming I didn't take too much of a beating in this CM, I might just end up giving him some support.

Anyway, thanks for admitting that Zach is responsible for those subs. :)


How so? Arrogant f001 WEREN'T YOU LISTING?

I had bought Zach's units while he takes care of the UIS reinforcement due to my lack of resources to make it happen. Simple as that.

EDIT: But once I do get myself out of the pit I will be coming after you.

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| September 22, 2013, 2:12 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm sure both my forces and my opponent's forces are about to get very bloodied, your help is much appreciated and should hopefully tip the balance decisively in our favor.


Not really. But knowing you I would assume the same. How many lies have you covered? How many "covert ops" have you carried out? Really this is nothing of the AR. It's just business as usual between two mutual partners. I buy his units, I give him some neat toys of my own.

Simple as that. You just underestimate my abilities to actually beat one of the lesser powerful factions on this planet of New Babylon.

But I don't care what you say. I don't even care if Kenyon does win or not. But as long as I stand by my performances I will see to it that you will plummet. That was my plan before Gaufran invaded me and I will carry out my tasks no questions asked in favor of the United World Collation of Empires.
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| September 22, 2013, 2:47 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Not really. But knowing you I would assume the same. How many lies have you covered? How many "covert ops" have you carried out? Really this is nothing out of the AR

Believe it or not, none, that's not my style. Anyway, you and Zach can continue lying all you want, it's quite obvious that he is directly aiding you in this war agianst Jack.
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| September 22, 2013, 3:57 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

How so? Arrogant f001 WEREN'T YOU LISTING?

I had bought Zach's units while he takes care of the UIS reinforcement due to my lack of resources to make it happen. Simple as that.

EDIT: But once I do get myself out of the pit I will be coming after you.

I was listening, and I'm not falling for your transparent falsities.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:00 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Believe it or not, none, that's not my style. Anyway, you and Zach can continue lying all you want, it's quite obvious that he is directly aiding you in this war agianst Jack.

Or maybe you're just paranoid?

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| September 22, 2013, 4:00 am
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
1. Wolf was constantly retreating.

2. Your troopers happened to be in the middle of his forces.

3. He is using all his troopers that he has in active service. I didn't even count his reserves.

My pincer movement could still have been carried out. Any way, that still doesn't answer how he is supplying 450000 men. He says he has an 11 million military populace, but he would need three times as many support personnel, and would have to have millions of supply vehicles, an enormous quantity of weapons and ammunition, and a vast, green and fruitful landmass to grow all the food on. He has none of these, his nation isn't even large enough for such a huge figure, even if it was only civilians. He set up home in a barren wasteland, with the island being the only reasonable proposition for such a large population.
On the other hand, this gives me ideas.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:40 am
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Sylvan, my new plan will be posted in the CFF war room. Any map I make will be sent to your email, which I still don't know.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:51 am
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Quoting Broken Bricks
Or maybe you're just paranoid?

It's common sense that Zach is directly aiding Wolf as a) he has a large amount of submarines, and b) wolf is under heavy attack. Zach saying that he hasn't done so proves nothing as he has a well-established track record of lying under this type of circumstance, and I don't believe that wolf is trustworthy in this situation either. I'm sticking with my theory.
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| September 22, 2013, 5:18 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
Sylvan, my new plan will be posted in the CFF war room. Any map I make will be sent to your email, which I still don't know.

adjalpezt0@citromail.hu
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| September 22, 2013, 6:53 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
My pincer movement could still have been carried out. Any way, that still doesn't answer how he is supplying 450000 men. He says he has an 11 million military populace, but he would need three times as many support personnel, and would have to have millions of supply vehicles, an enormous quantity of weapons and ammunition, and a vast, green and fruitful landmass to grow all the food on. He has none of these, his nation isn't even large enough for such a huge figure, even if it was only civilians. He set up home in a barren wasteland, with the island being the only reasonable proposition for such a large population.
On the other hand, this gives me ideas.

It is like the battle of stalingrad, basicly everyone that could hold a weapon grabbed one. It doesnt matter if you try a pincer movment, it would work, but it would make no difference as they are not coming out of there city. Doing a pincer movement against them would be like a medieval king preforming a pincer movement on a castle, it would work, but it wouldn't do much.
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| September 22, 2013, 8:46 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
It's common sense that Zach is directly aiding Wolf as a) he has a large amount of submarines, and b) wolf is under heavy attack. Zach saying that he hasn't done so proves nothing as he has a well-established track record of lying under this type of circumstance, and I don't believe that wolf is trustworthy in this situation either. I'm sticking with my theory.

THe only direct aid I have provided was lend-lease of a one dozen submarine task force and several squadrons of my best jets. I will not let my friend be conquered if I can help, fortunately for Kenyon, I have bigger fish to fry.


EDIT:
1) Let's continue this in General.
2) Apparently even I underestimated Wolf's tactical skills when provided with the right equipment.
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| September 22, 2013, 9:31 am
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This is the Combat report for the SMART vs. UIS war.

This was mainly a one way attack with the conglomerate launching multiple attacks on the UIS, or AR forces. By the weekend the result was heavy casualties on both sides.

The war started off with a massive attack on the UIS with Hypersonic terrain following munitions. These were not spotted in time for a proper defense. The overwhelming attack hit military bases, and airfields killing many troops that where not in the front line, and 2 kiloton warheads took massive chunks of airfields, and facilities.

In the western front the UIS had heavily mined, and defended there border. Conglomerate hover vehicles managed to assault perfectly destroying barriers, and attacking positions. However airdropable tanks, and light vehicles couldn't cross the gap, and took heavy casualties from Artillery. Dropships, and helicopters where shot down or bailed from the combat zone.
The UIS deployed Bombers and ground attack aircraft, which was met with air cover. That was a massive problem for both sides as the AR was extremely organized, and prepared however did not expect a full force of high tech traxxus fighters to engage with the Conglomerate. As both sides lost heavy casualties in the air, the UIS managed to halt the land advance completely. SMART artillery, and ground attack helped but the attacking force was to small, and in the end didn't complete its objective, and pulled out.

To the east however the Conglomerate deployed a force twice the size using heavy vehicles. over 800 amphibious vehicles, and heavy armor. These managed to cross a river, and where met with resistance from ships, but they couldn't enter the river, and would get stuck. However the ships weapons managed to inflict damage, but it wasn't enough.
The river basin was very rocky, and slowed there advance enough for casualties to occur from tactically placed drones, and defenses, but the better equipped force was able to ward off aircraft with AA fire, and gain a foothold in T-116 but not capturing it. They are still being engaged by enemy weapons, and have lost 1/5th of there force. The rocky terrain has halted both sides from properly finishing off each other, and air battles have been halted by the forward, and bloody nature so far.

At sea its been just as even, as two well equipped navies have managed to battle at the sea. The conglomerate deployed forces to attack a carrier group to the west, but was spotted early by submarines. The larger fleet was attacked prematurely by the AR, and lost a few ships, they both deployed Seaskimming, high speed, or other weapons, and many naval vessels have been lost. Both sides have backed off to recuperate, as many ships have been damaged. Some AR subs have also been sunk by a large organized antisubmarine deployment by traxxus.

Losses

I will add these in the next few days.
The UIS lost a lot of troops, and both sides lost a lot of aircraft, and there's over 200 creations I need to view so it will take time to provide an accurate picture.

If anything is wrong tell me, I can fix it.
Also north of the fighting the nation of chiphra has been quite in the fighting as no advances had been made by either side.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:36 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
I will add these in the next few days.
The UIS lost a lot of troops, and both sides lost a lot of aircraft, and there's over 200 creations I need to view so it will take time to provide an accurate picture.

If anything is wrong tell me, I can fix it.
Also north of the fighting the nation of chiphra has been quite in the fighting as no advances had been made by either side.

A bloody battle has been fought and a stalemate reached.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:41 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
A bloody battle has been fought and a stalemate reached.

The SMART forces have faired better in the long run, having a large armored force in UIS territory, however the fighting is far from over.

Luckily for you AR never attacked you, so your good.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:45 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
A bloody battle has been fought and a stalemate reached.

Did you even put in a CR? Remind me to deal with you later. Soon as I deliver the one hit McCall will never see coming.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:46 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
The SMART forces have faired better in the long run, having a large armored force in UIS territory, however the fighting is far from over.

Luckily for you AR never attacked you, so your good.

For now . . . .

And Squid, it looks like you forgot 2 things.
1) the cobra is undefeatable, even by shadowhawks, below 25,000ft.
2) both the Viper and the Cobra are 7th generation. YOu cannot actually expect me to beleive that number of aircraft didn't detect McCalls air force.
3) YOu also cannot expect me to believe that my well built navy was given a beating by McCalls. The build standard there is way out of whack.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:49 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Did you even put in a CR? Remind me to deal with you later. Soon as I deliver the one hit McCall will never see coming.

I submitted a CR that was rather long (6,000 words) but it was purely defensive in nature, however, in the next couple weeks my focus may shift, depending on how well things go.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:49 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
I submitted a CR that was rather long (6,000 words) but it was purely defensive in nature, however, in the next couple weeks my focus may shift, depending on how well things go.

You did not come through for us when it counted. Your turn is over.


My turn.

You are a backstabbing hypocrite who doesn't have the guts to fight when you need to stand up and be a man.
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| September 22, 2013, 4:53 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
For now . . . .

And Squid, it looks like you forgot 2 things.
1) the cobra is undefeatable, even by shadowhawks, below 25,000ft.

That's up to us to decide, Unless you have magical armor your cobras can be shot down.
Your cobras may be up to par with shadow hawks, but a lot of aircraft where deployed, along with other 7 gen fighters.

Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
2) both the Viper and the Cobra are 7th generation. YOu cannot actually expect me to beleive that number of aircraft didn't detect McCalls air force.

I never said your aircraft didn't detect his airforce.
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
3) YOu also cannot expect me to believe that my well built navy was given a beating by McCalls. The build standard there is way out of whack.

That's a bit hypocritical, McCall has a fantastic navy, and is entirely rational to believe that, to believe otherwise suggests a lack of analyzing on your part.

So if you have any actual points please come forth, as complaining that your forces are better than everyone isn't a point.
Your forces did a decent job, which is more to ask for when fighting a group of major countries.
Remember that you don't get to micro manage how reality works, that's my job.
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| September 22, 2013, 5:17 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
That's a bit hypocritical, McCall has a fantastic navy, and is entirely rational to believe that, to believe otherwise suggests a lack of analyzing on your part.

So if you have any actual points please come forth, as complaining that your forces are better than everyone isn't a point.
Your forces did a decent job, which is more to ask for when fighting a group of major countries.
Remember that you don't get to micro manage how reality works, that's my job.

Points? Granted.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/346698
Go to the LCS on this post.
Now let's compare it to it's closest AR relative, the Firestorm corvette.
It's easy to say you have 2 30mm chainguns but not so easy to build them on. Unless you are building in the scale of carriers and airships, I see no excuse for claiming weapons that are not otherwise visible are there. I try to make every weapon my ships have (unless it's some integrated thing like sonar countermeasures that really can't be built).
From this point forward, I'll let the builds speak for themselves.
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| September 22, 2013, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Points? Granted.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/346698
Go to the LCS on this post.
Now let's compare it to it's closest AR relative, the Firestorm corvette.
It's easy to say you have 2 30mm chainguns but not so easy to build them on. Unless you are building in the scale of carriers and airships, I see no excuse for claiming weapons that are not otherwise visible are there. I try to make every weapon my ships have (unless it's some integrated thing like sonar countermeasures that really can't be built).
From this point forward, I'll let the builds speak for themselves.

This would be a more proper response, yes I can see what you mean. His second naval pack was far better, but they don't compare with the rest of his creations.
Ill be sure to put this at the top of my list of considerations when doing the losses.
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| September 22, 2013, 6:55 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Points? Granted.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/346698
Go to the LCS on this post.
Now let's compare it to it's closest AR relative, the Firestorm corvette.
It's easy to say you have 2 30mm chainguns but not so easy to build them on. Unless you are building in the scale of carriers and airships, I see no excuse for claiming weapons that are not otherwise visible are there. I try to make every weapon my ships have (unless it's some integrated thing like sonar countermeasures that really can't be built).
From this point forward, I'll let the builds speak for themselves.

There is no rule claiming that all weapons have to be visible in a micro ship in order to exist, your complaint is invalid. Besides, a good deal of the weaponry is supposed to be fully retractable for maximum stealth. Anyway, you linke to the wrong creation, those are the stats for my "modern" ships.
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| September 22, 2013, 6:55 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
You did not come through for us when it counted. Your turn is over.


My turn.

You are a backstabbing hypocrite who doesn't have the guts to fight when you need to stand up and be a man.

First of all, you really thought i was going to help you when all you did was threaten me. Do this or be annihilated is a horrible way to convince someone to help you. Also, what is the point of standing and fighting(and being destroyed) when you can slip in from behind and take the enemy out with a single blow. Your troop moments have given me a target, and i intend to see that it is destroyed.
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| September 22, 2013, 7:01 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
This would be a more proper response, yes I can see what you mean. His second naval pack was far better, but they don't compare with the rest of his creations.
Ill be sure to put this at the top of my list of considerations when doing the losses.

Wonderful grammar Squid!
and my counterargument to McCall:
No, there is no rule. I could make up as many weapons on my ships as I want. Do I? No. I build them on, and I then take the time to create a second version with weapons hidden. It's a little extra build time and a lot of time if I choose to render. It's not required but it certainly wins brownie points with the CMs. a much better built ship showing weapons out and weapons retracted is a lot more appealing and is often favored for being the better build. When I CM, I try to give the benifit of the doubt to lesser detailed stuff but I do tend to see better units out of ships that are more detailed. On yours, we don't know where thoese 30mm guns are so how are we supposed to know the firing arcs to CM them properly?
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| September 22, 2013, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
For now . . . .

And Squid, it looks like you forgot 2 things.
1) the cobra is undefeatable, even by shadowhawks, below 25,000ft.
2) both the Viper and the Cobra are 7th generation. YOu cannot actually expect me to beleive that number of aircraft didn't detect McCalls air force.
3) YOu also cannot expect me to believe that my well built navy was given a beating by McCalls. The build standard there is way out of whack.

No offense, but are you being sarcastic? You cant just say that your cobra is un beatable below 25000 feet. Anyway, if you are referring to the forward swept wing, then you might not realise that loads of SMART aircraft also use it, and my smaller, lighter and better laid out jets are probably more manouvrable still. As for your navies, well, let's not get into that...
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| September 23, 2013, 3:00 am
Quoting jack kenyon
No offense, but are you being sarcastic? You cant just say that your cobra is un beatable below 25000 feet. Anyway, if you are referring to the forward swept wing, then you might not realise that loads of SMART aircraft also use it, and my smaller, lighter and better laid out jets are probably more manouvrable still. As for your navies, well, let's not get into that...


My A-22 is a tad smaller than your Black Eagle and I ended up losing a good portion of them along with my older SS-10s. My new X-55 should actually be a good rival to yours if I can win this...

But may the best builder win Kenyon. ;)

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| September 23, 2013, 9:01 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
No offense, but are you being sarcastic? You cant just say that your cobra is un beatable below 25000 feet. Anyway, if you are referring to the forward swept wing, then you might not realise that loads of SMART aircraft also use it, and my smaller, lighter and better laid out jets are probably more manouvrable still. As for your navies, well, let's not get into that...

I don't think Zach realizes how many aircraft I threw at him. XD
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| September 23, 2013, 9:40 am
Quoting jack kenyon
No offense, but are you being sarcastic? You cant just say that your cobra is un beatable below 25000 feet. Anyway, if you are referring to the forward swept wing, then you might not realise that loads of SMART aircraft also use it, and my smaller, lighter and better laid out jets are probably more manouvrable still. As for your navies, well, let's not get into that...

You clearly didn't look hard at the Cobra. Go look at those wings. They are long, longest of any 7th gen. Big bird. Catches a lot of lift and provides lots of drag when the aircraft goes into slip, thus preventing pitch slipping. It can cut turns tighter because of that. The wings are broad, which lowers stalling speed and also helps with the above mention. It has downward variable canting, which catches more lift and holds turning lines better. The cobra can overtake other gen 7s in a turn and then cut inside them. That's how I built it, using all my dogfighting aerodynamics knowledge. It's not unbeatable below 25,000ft because I say so, it's unbeatable below 25,000ft because it is built to outmaneuver literally anything once you hit Mach 1 or less. The tactics I use with it are specifically designed to force enemies down to lower altitudes and speeds, where the Cobra is king.

As for my navy, please explain how McCall's LCS which I pointed out earlier is in any way even or superior with a Firestorm in build. Every weapon I have on my ship is actually built on, I show both retracted and otherwise, and I pack more firepower.
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| September 23, 2013, 3:15 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I don't think Zach realizes how many aircraft I threw at him. XD

I think the only reason you did that is because you have that little exploit island over there. WIthout that, I am certain I had more aircraft up given my extrapolations of your stats, which are sorely outdated.
I also think that I made it clear in my recent press release that I signed on to fight one nation and that nation did not have the guts to fight solo, but rather drew on their puppet island to beat me.
If you played like the rest of us and didn't absorb a massive stockpile of aircraft and basically have a second nation, you'd be dead already.
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| September 23, 2013, 3:18 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
You clearly didn't look hard at the Cobra. Go look at those wings. They are long, longest of any 7th gen. Big bird. Catches a lot of lift and provides lots of drag when the aircraft goes into slip, thus preventing pitch slipping. It can cut turns tighter because of that. The wings are broad, which lowers stalling speed and also helps with the above mention. It has downward variable canting, which catches more lift and holds turning lines better. The cobra can overtake other gen 7s in a turn and then cut inside them. That's how I built it, using all my dogfighting aerodynamics knowledge. It's not unbeatable below 25,000ft because I say so, it's unbeatable below 25,000ft because it is built to outmaneuver literally anything once you hit Mach 1 or less. The tactics I use with it are specifically designed to force enemies down to lower altitudes and speeds, where the Cobra is king.

You're talking dog fighting, which is something my fighters try to avoid. Long-range strikes from lasers and BVR missiles are more my style. That's not to say my aircraft can't dogfight, but that's not their preferred tactic.
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| September 23, 2013, 3:27 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I think the only reason you did that is because you have that little exploit island over there. WIthout that, I am certain I had more aircraft up given my extrapolations of your stats, which are sorely outdated.
I also think that I made it clear in my recent press release that I signed on to fight one nation and that nation did not have the guts to fight solo, but rather drew on their puppet island to beat me.
If you played like the rest of us and didn't absorb a massive stockpile of aircraft and basically have a second nation, you'd be dead already.

1) My stats are fully updated and accurate.
2) I repeatedly said that Traxxus was involved, it's not my fault you ignored me.
3) I was already fighting both you and brick, you have absolutely no right to complain about me making this a 2 vs 2.
4) Traxxus is not a puppet nation.
5) you were going agianst several thousand fighters as well as at least a thousand various other aircraft.
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| September 23, 2013, 3:30 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
1) My stats are fully updated and accurate.
2) I repeatedly said that Traxxus was involved, it's not my fault you ignored me.
3) I was already fighting both you and brick, you have absolutely no right to complain about me making this a 2 vs 2.
4) Traxxus is not a puppet nation.
5) you were going agianst several thousand fighters as well as at least a thousand various other aircraft.

1)Then why does the date say January?
2)Tyro never declared war.
3)You are a self proclaimed superpower, yet you certainly don't act like it strategically.
4) I will beg to differ until the day I die, which won't be in the near future.
5)I had bombers running as radar guided missile platforms linking to the fighters to get lock on. That evens the odds a lot when I can summon massive waves of missiles on demand.
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| September 23, 2013, 3:41 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
You're talking dog fighting, which is something my fighters try to avoid. Long-range strikes from lasers and BVR missiles are more my style. That's not to say my aircraft can't dogfight, but that's not their preferred tactic.

Firstly, that was in response to Kenyon.
Secondly, the way I play the cobras forces enemies to go in for the dogifighting kill if they want the kill. Then again, they could always pull away, only to have the Cobra come back around and take them from behind.
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| September 23, 2013, 3:42 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
You clearly didn't look hard at the Cobra. Go look at those wings. They are long, longest of any 7th gen. Big bird. Catches a lot of lift and provides lots of drag when the aircraft goes into slip, thus preventing pitch slipping. It can cut turns tighter because of that. The wings are broad, which lowers stalling speed and also helps with the above mention. It has downward variable canting, which catches more lift and holds turning lines better. The cobra can overtake other gen 7s in a turn and then cut inside them. That's how I built it, using all my dogfighting aerodynamics knowledge. It's not unbeatable below 25,000ft because I say so, it's unbeatable below 25,000ft because it is built to outmaneuver literally anything once you hit Mach 1 or less. The tactics I use with it are specifically designed to force enemies down to lower altitudes and speeds, where the Cobra is king.

Just wait, i am developing a fighter with twig22 that will be able to outmaneuver, outgun, and beat your fighter in all aspects but speed.
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| September 23, 2013, 4:46 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
1)Then why does the date say January?
2)Tyro never declared war.
3)You are a self proclaimed superpower, yet you certainly don't act like it strategically.
4) I will beg to differ until the day I die, which won't be in the near future.
5)I had bombers running as radar guided missile platforms linking to the fighters to get lock on. That evens the odds a lot when I can summon massive waves of missiles on demand.

1) That's the initial time stamp of when I first made it, I then have edited it every couple weeks.
2) He have me explicit persmmission to use his forces however I see fit, and he seperately also agreed to letting me use them agianst you.
3) That's both subjective and irrelevant.
4) He's currently too busy with the new grand theft auto to care about Legos, so I'm temporally in control of his forces.
5) Because literally all my fighters have anti-missile capabilities (their lasers), you are facing much denser AA than you seem to think. Besides, I had plenty of bombers and missile launchers of my own doing their work.
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| September 23, 2013, 4:51 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Firstly, that was in response to Kenyon.
Secondly, the way I play the cobras forces enemies to go in for the dogifighting kill if they want the kill. Then again, they could always pull away, only to have the Cobra come back around and take them from behind.

You do relealise that my fighters can be using their lasers while flying away from their opponents, right? My fighters have more or less omnidirectional (not quite) engagement capabilities. In other words, they have plenty of options when it comes to avoiding dogfighting.
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| September 23, 2013, 4:55 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
1) That's the initial time stamp of when I first made it, I then have edited it every couple weeks.
2) He have me explicit persmmission to use his forces however I see fit, and he seperately also agreed to letting me use them agianst you.
3) That's both subjective and irrelevant.
4) He's currently too busy with the new grand theft auto to care about Legos, so I'm temporally in control of his forces.
5) Because literally all my fighters have anti-missile capabilities (their lasers), you are facing much denser AA than you seem to think. Besides, I had plenty of bombers and missile launchers of my own doing their work.

I play more GTA 5 than him and I had time to read 4 CRs multiple times, and write an outcome. Dang it sometimes I think TY is just to lazy "says the guy who sleeps for 13 hours, and then goes on his computer"
Well he has been inactive for longer than that, and has said multiple times he doesn't care about this group anymore, he is just to busy.
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| September 23, 2013, 5:16 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
I play more GTA 5 than him and I had time to read 4 CRs multiple times, and write an outcome. Dang it sometimes I think TY is just to lazy "says the guy who sleeps for 13 hours, and then goes on his computer"
Well he has been inactive for longer than that, and has said multiple times he doesn't care about this group anymore, he is just to busy.

Yes, I suppose I was simplifying things a bit, he simply, perhaps rightfully so, just doesn't consider Legos to be that high of a priority.
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| September 23, 2013, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Just wait, i am developing a fighter with twig22 that will be able to outmaneuver, outgun, and beat your fighter in all aspects but speed.

I think we are developing alot more than just one fighter.
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| September 23, 2013, 6:51 pm
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Quoting Twig22 (an American)
I think we are developing alot more than just one fighter.

True, i was just referring to the one variant of the one jet, the one based H-2 base.
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| September 23, 2013, 7:00 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Just wait, i am developing a fighter with twig22 that will be able to outmaneuver, outgun, and beat your fighter in all aspects but speed.

this argument with us all saying "my fighter is better than yours" is pointless, only a CM can decide when they meet in combat. Of course we will all see our jets as the best, although, for the record, the Black Eagle wins hands down! :D
also, can we continue this in the General convo forum please?
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| September 24, 2013, 1:46 pm
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Casualties for "WW3" Smart, vs. UIS, vs. Chippewa. week 1.

AR.

94 viper drones
10 spitfires
90 cobras
78 lighting
12 thunderhawks
7 manta bombers

80 various ground units.

8 vanguard destroyers
1 hammerhead subs
2 punisher subs
2 phantom subs
5 reaper subs
2 allegiance frigates
29 corvettes
2 Vigilance battlecarriers
2 Vengeance class battleships
1 Retribution arsenal ships
3 Aegis cruisers
1 Defiance Supercarrier

UIS
46,900 troops
70 various AA
100 various artillery
32 MAG coil
78 various light vehicles
12 wasp helis
41 honeybees

30 cobras
80 hawk
18 FSD
45 havoc
49 warhawks
5 x70

SMART

21,500 infantry
6000 power armor troops
12 balisk AA
39 warmaster light tanks
140 LAVs
33 dragon jump tanks
56 lightning hover
90 various CV80s
12 cargo trucks
110 EFV
2 Deamon MBTS
90 various armored vehicles.

180 various UAVs
98 Valkyries.
80 varius fighters
72 varius ground attack
120 various drop vehicles
60 dragonfly gunships.

39 silentium LCS
12 capitalis destroyers
41 redeo GM
2 dominari
8 iornclads
6 orca subs
12 additional specter UAVS

Traxus

72 shadowhawks
67 various helis
123 firebird 2s

SMART did deploy 4x the amount of aircraft that the AR did.


A lot was marked various to save time, to name every unit would make this comment triple the size.
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| September 24, 2013, 10:07 pm
Jesus in Heaven.
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| September 24, 2013, 10:18 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
<SNIP>

Please enlighten me as to how I lost so many fire support aircraft when they were explicitly instructed to remain a minimum of 75 miles behind the combat zone at all times. Thunderhawks and Spitfires were also on hold-back with the Mantas.
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| September 24, 2013, 10:39 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Please enlighten me as to how I lost so many fire support aircraft when they were explicitly instructed to remain a minimum of 75 miles behind the combat zone at all times. Thunderhawks and Spitfires were also on hold-back with the Mantas.

Over 2000 aircraft where fighting each other, and SMART deployed overwhelming numbers of aircraft.
Fighting was raging everywhere.
I will drop those numbers regardless, as I knew there where bound to be mistakes,
Spitfires where also ground attack style aircraft right, I had them confused with fighters.
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| September 24, 2013, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Please enlighten me as to how I lost so many fire support aircraft when they were explicitly instructed to remain a minimum of 75 miles behind the combat zone at all times. Thunderhawks and Spitfires were also on hold-back with the Mantas.

This past hour I've been looking through the losses myself for problems, and have been correcting as I go.
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| September 24, 2013, 10:49 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Over 2000 aircraft where fighting each other, and SMART deployed overwhelming numbers of aircraft.
Fighting was raging everywhere.
I will drop those numbers regardless, as I knew there where bound to be mistakes,
Spitfires where also ground attack style aircraft right, I had them confused with fighters.

Thunderhawks are fighter-bombers, Spitfires are ground attack. Neither were tasked for direct dogfighting. Honestly, I only fielded a handful of Mantas because I figured if the enemy got back that far that the Mantas, being big, would be the first targets and that distraction would give my other aircraft enough time to take them out, saving my others.
Also, I doubt he fielded that many aircraft. In a 7th generation air war, there are 7th generation jet fighters and targets. 5th and 6th gen are better well away from the front lines (Like I was going for). the more likely option is he fielded several hundred jet fighters and several hundred more targets.
I am overall not pleased with my aircraft losses but my front line took within acceptable losses given the number deployed.
I have yet to review my naval losses.
Question: Which fared better? The Spyders or the Phalanx? I think the spyders because despite the advances of the Phalanx, the front lines are a dangerous place.
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| September 24, 2013, 10:51 pm
43 corvettes and no aegis cruisers? My corvettes were supposed to stay with the fleet. Only the subs went ahead. The corvettes should have been mixed in with much heavier vessels. How did I lose so many? more importantly, why did I lose so many of them and virtually nothing else when they are in the company of 3 Defiance carriers and multiple Aegis fleet defense cruisers?
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| September 24, 2013, 10:54 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Thunderhawks are fighter-bombers, Spitfires are ground attack. Neither were tasked for direct dogfighting. Honestly, I only fielded a handful of Mantas because I figured if the enemy got back that far that the Mantas, being big, would be the first targets and that distraction would give my other aircraft enough time to take them out, saving my others.
Also, I doubt he fielded that many aircraft. In a 7th generation air war, there are 7th generation jet fighters and targets. 5th and 6th gen are better well away from the front lines (Like I was going for). the more likely option is he fielded several hundred jet fighters and several hundred more targets.
I am overall not pleased with my aircraft losses but my front line took within acceptable losses given the number deployed.
I have yet to review my naval losses.
Question: Which fared better? The Spyders or the Phalanx? I think the spyders because despite the advances of the Phalanx, the front lines are a dangerous place.

Im not sure, well you did do more damage to McCalls airforce.
McCall may have been going all in overkill but despite your mid sized CR it highlighted a lot more on how your aircraft would engage his.

As for your navy you did a lot more damage, sinking twice as many ships.

The only area McCall obviously excelled at was his crushing land assault to the east which made a huge impact in taking land.
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| September 24, 2013, 10:55 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
43 corvettes and no aegis cruisers? My corvettes were supposed to stay with the fleet. Only the subs went ahead. The corvettes should have been mixed in with much heavier vessels. How did I lose so many? more importantly, why did I lose so many of them and virtually nothing else when they are in the company of 3 Defiance carriers and multiple Aegis fleet defense cruisers?

McCall was seeking out your fleet, and used overwhelming numbers of hypersonic missiles to attack them. I figured the defiance would suffer less damage in the long run, and with both navies attacking each other, the defiance's would attempt to defend themselves better, or at least take precedence over the other ships.
I obviously missed the aegis entirely.
I will put that up now.
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| September 24, 2013, 11:00 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
McCall was seeking out your fleet, and used overwhelming numbers of hypersonic missiles to attack them. I figured the defiance would suffer less damage in the long run, and with both navies attacking each other, the defiance's would attempt to defend themselves better, or at least take precedence over the other ships.
I obviously missed the aegis entirely.
I will put that up now.

So even the hybrid radar ultrasonic targeting system of my CIWS and pulse laser emitters combined with the GARD system (Global Area Reactive Defense system) linking the defenses on all ships in the fleet was enough to stop that. Even for hypersonic missile spammage, I am highly skeptical of that.
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| September 24, 2013, 11:04 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Im not sure, well you did do more damage to McCalls airforce.
McCall may have been going all in overkill but despite your mid sized CR it highlighted a lot more on how your aircraft would engage his.

As for your navy you did a lot more damage, sinking twice as many ships.

The only area McCall obviously excelled at was his crushing land assault to the east which made a huge impact in taking land.

Okay. Wow, I wasn't even throwing my all into this fight. Darnit, some of my assets are tied up at the moment but if they were free . . . .
Oh what I could do.
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| September 24, 2013, 11:06 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
So even the hybrid radar ultrasonic targeting system of my CIWS and pulse laser emitters combined with the GARD system (Global Area Reactive Defense system) linking the defenses on all ships in the fleet was enough to stop that. Even for hypersonic missile spammage, I am highly skeptical of that.

1000,s of sea skimming weapons traveling at Mach 7+ that disperse into multiple ship killing munitions can usually be a problem.
McCall ships would have most likely used other weapons to.
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| September 24, 2013, 11:08 pm
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I am getting some sleep.
The CR seems mostly good now, but there is most likely still mistakes, that's what happens when I post it before editing it.

I only managed to review 75% of mocs, and glance at another 10% but I posted it now to get it off my chest.
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| September 24, 2013, 11:17 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
I am getting some sleep.
The CR seems mostly good now, but there is most likely still mistakes, that's what happens when I post it before editing it.

I only managed to review 75% of mocs, and glance at another 10% but I posted it now to get it off my chest.

Any discrepancy I had has been either corrected, or answered. The only thing that confuses me is why McCall chose to prioritize the corvettes. Eliminating many of them does not actually do much to my naval power in the area, it just lessens my tactical options. Either way, it's a good thing I held so much in reserve.
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| September 24, 2013, 11:20 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Any discrepancy I had has been either corrected, or answered. The only thing that confuses me is why McCall chose to prioritize the corvettes. Eliminating many of them does not actually do much to my naval power in the area, it just lessens my tactical options. Either way, it's a good thing I held so much in reserve.

He didn't, he seeked out the carrier fleet and attacked, but not specifically anything.
Also I may have made a mistake with his LCS, as most where deploed nearer the shore, and thus what attacked your carriers was much smaller.
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| September 24, 2013, 11:42 pm
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Changed the losses for navy around, as I forgot some parts of McCall's plan, He also used submarines, and did in fact target the defiance's, so I feel at least one should have been lost.
I'm still very tired, and still haven't gone to bed. "must resist technology"
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| September 24, 2013, 11:52 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Changed the losses for navy around, as I forgot some parts of McCall's plan, He also used submarines, and did in fact target the defiance's, so I feel at least one should have been lost.
I'm still very tired, and still haven't gone to bed. "must resist technology"

Did you remember to factor in the aircraft that are lost when a carrier is sunk?
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| September 25, 2013, 2:33 am
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
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Alright, a few questions:
- Why did I lose so many hovertanks proportionally relative to other tank/armored vehicle losses?

- Just in general, why did certain types of my ground vehicles take heavy losses while others were virtually untouched?

- Why were over half of my fighter losses Valkyries when they only made up about a third of my fighters sent into combat? They are supposed to be the superior model.

- Why did Traxxus lose ground vehicles if there is no mention of Traxxus coming under any sort of attack?

- Shouldn't the initial strike on the UIS airfields have caused more damage/destruction of aircraft? The idea was to render them unusable.

- As far as I can tell, the UIS took zero naval losses. Why is this? Also, why no AR satellite losses?

Finally, I would like to point out that Zach's 75 kilometer "safety" distance is still well within effective range of laser systems carried by fighters (modern prototype airborne lasers are supposed to have effective ranges reaching in the hundreds of kilometers). Also, assuming my air-to-air missiles have equal range of that of a modern AIM-54 missile (120 miles), which is a fair assumption due to tech increase, they would also be in range of missiles carried by my fighters.
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| September 25, 2013, 4:43 am
Quoting Matthew McCall

Alright, a few questions:
why no AR satellite losses?

Finally, I would like to point out that Zach's 75 kilometer "safety" distance is still well within effective range of laser systems carried by fighters (modern prototype airborne lasers are supposed to have effective ranges reaching in the hundreds of kilometers). Also, assuming my air-to-air missiles have equal range of that of a modern AIM-54 missile (120 miles), which is a fair assumption due to tech increase, they would also be in range of missiles carried by my fighters.

Because I don't use satellites. Duh.
And that was the whole point of my "safety" range. They were carrying MRAM type missiles ascting as fire support.
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| September 25, 2013, 6:22 am
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Changed the losses for navy around, as I forgot some parts of McCall's plan, He also used submarines, and did in fact target the defiance's, so I feel at least one should have been lost.
I'm still very tired, and still haven't gone to bed. "must resist technology"

Um, no, Just no. Unless he is spamming nothing but Cuda torpedos with those subs, then the Defiances will not be dying today. The CUDAs are the only weapon SMART posesses that has ANY chance of taking one of those things out while in fleet formation.
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| September 25, 2013, 6:24 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Because I don't use satellites. Duh.
And that was the whole point of my "safety" range. They were carrying MRAM type missiles ascting as fire support.

You do realize that satellites are essential for certain types of tech such as GPS to function, right? They also offer effective recon and communication capabilities, trying to fight without them should be a major handicap.

Anyway, at 75 miles out, both sides are still within effective range of each other, so it's by no means a safe distance.
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| September 25, 2013, 7:12 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Um, no, Just no. Unless he is spamming nothing but Cuda torpedos with those subs, then the Defiances will not be dying today. The CUDAs are the only weapon SMART posesses that has ANY chance of taking one of those things out while in fleet formation.

Cuda torpedoes are basically the only torpedoes I use (I thought this was obvious since I don't really have any other torpedoe designs) and mine are armed with 50 ton warheads, so they are hilariously more powerful than their modern equivalents. A single hit or even simply detonating under the hull would be all that is needed to either mission kill or sink even a defiance.
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| September 25, 2013, 7:16 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall

Alright, a few questions:
- Why did I lose so many hovertanks
- Just in general, why did certain types of my
- Why were over half of my fighter losses
- Why did Traxxus lose ground vehicles if
- Shouldn't the initial strike on the UIS
- As far as I can tell, the UIS took zero

Finally, I would like to point out that Zach's 75 kilometer "safety" distance is still well within effective range of laser systems

The Valkyries where mostly the main target for AR aircraft.

I thought traxxus was in the fight, as there is little to no mention of him in the CR for ground, yet you posted his land stats.

UIS deployed a small navel forces defensively to the east to protect the channel, and combat never took place there. The AR deployed there navy closer to the west with a massive fleet.
I thought it was logical to assume you would attack the AR fleet.

Most vehicles deployed in T-113 where destroyed, as the UIS deployed entrenched artillery, and used all there units in the attack. They deployed minefields, and tank traps to slow vehicles down. Your lightning's were used in large numbers there right? they took the least casualties in % over in that fight due to the fact they could hover.
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| September 25, 2013, 12:53 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
The Valkyries where mostly the main target for AR aircraft.

I thought traxxus was in the fight, as there is little to no mention of him in the CR for ground, yet you posted his land stats.

UIS deployed a small navel forces defensively to the east to protect the channel, and combat never took place there. The AR deployed there navy closer to the west with a massive fleet.
I thought it was logical to assume you would attack the AR fleet.

Most vehicles deployed in T-113 where destroyed, as the UIS deployed entrenched artillery, and used all there units in the attack. They deployed minefields, and tank traps to slow vehicles down. Your lightning's were used in large numbers there right? they took the least casualties in % over in that fight due to the fact they could hover.

Those ground units were listed in case Traxxus was directly attacked.
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| September 25, 2013, 1:33 pm
Where's the casualty list?
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| September 25, 2013, 2:41 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Where's the casualty list?

On my computer.
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| September 25, 2013, 2:52 pm
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LOSSES

ASE

GROUND

54000 soldiers
52 Leopards
31 A-22
67 SS-10
30 Black Mambas
10 Sparrow UAVs

NAVAL
Once comes when Wolf ACTUALLY lists all units used (you can send it here: adjalpezt0@citromail.hu). I was kind enough to assume you used a huge amount of forces. However, you will get penalty for doing this. Next week both sides include:
-where your units are
-how much of them
-what exatcly they are doing
-links to the creation&#8217;s page

Gaufran
GROUND
9200 soldiers
2100 Red Devil
35 MBT3 Tyrant
330 Shadow drones
20 CV80TC
46 Cockroach
AIR
38 Black Eagle
18 Air Dreadnought
202 Sweeper drone
110 Cyclops drone
68 Horus drone
NAVAL
3 Hades class
28 Naumax

These numbers are up for change, but until then, let the rage begin.
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| September 25, 2013, 3:49 pm
I though I had already added the naval units...Oh well I 'll send them to you.
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| September 25, 2013, 4:13 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
I though I had already added the naval units...Oh well I 'll send them to you.

You wrote: "all remaining taskforces"
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| September 25, 2013, 4:16 pm
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My email adress is 4thwish@zoho.com , if combatants could get there plans in by friday, it would be much apreciated. (i think they are supposed to be due friday, if not please inform me when)
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| September 26, 2013, 7:28 am
Sylvan!

Can I have your email to send my taskforce list?
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| September 26, 2013, 10:53 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Sylvan!

Can I have your email to send my taskforce list?

adjalpezt0@citromail.hu but I wrote it in the CR losses too.
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| September 26, 2013, 11:54 am
Thanks.
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| September 26, 2013, 12:02 pm
Sent it.
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| September 26, 2013, 12:12 pm
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Err, why so many dreadnoughts? They operate at a prime distance of 100 Km from the front lines, and rain down fire from beyond visual range. I had air dominance going into this week, and even if they strayed too close to his artillery (which would be very stupid for the pilots to do) they are designed to take medium and med/heavy railgun hits.

Also, I only had 1000 Red Devils stuck behind enemy lines, so why the other 1400? The enemy didn't counter attack, so they wouldn't have came across any heavy fighting.
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| September 26, 2013, 1:44 pm
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You landed 2000 behind enemy lines. It is in your plan.

Dreadnoughts: XL-1 laser bases took down those along with 280mm railguns.
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| September 26, 2013, 1:47 pm
Yes...My firebases and missiles are the only thing to take down your air dreadnoughts...>:)
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| September 26, 2013, 1:55 pm
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Well, it is now Saturday where i live, and i have only received one battle plan, are we still doing this thing?
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| September 28, 2013, 12:58 am
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Bill Bob:Well todays gravball game between the Obertas Obliterators and the Pattagonda Patriots remains canceled due...
We interrupt your normally scheduled program with breaking news
Today a cease fire has been declared between the United Inner States and the Conglomerate. As per the conditions the U.I.S. have withdrawn from the river region on Obertas (116). Both sides are rumored to be constructing extensive defensive fortifications along the border.
This is all the information that we have at this moment and more will come when it is available.
Now back to Bill Bob with the sports.
Bill Bob: In other news the gravball game is back on tonight at 7...
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| September 28, 2013, 10:52 am
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Well, if you guys need a C.M. i am open.
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| October 5, 2013, 9:03 am
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Bill Bob:Well todays gravball game between the Obertas Obliterators and the Pattagonda Patriots remains canceled due...
We interrupt your normally scheduled program with breaking news
Today a cease fire has been declared between the United Inner States and the Conglomerate. As per the conditions the U.I.S. have withdrawn from the river region on Obertas (116). Both sides are rumored to be constructing extensive defensive fortifications along the border.
This is all the information that we have at this moment and more will come when it is available.
Now back to Bill Bob with the sports.
Bill Bob: In other news the gravball game is back on tonight at 7...

No, for now everyone is in a cease fire, and there is no reason for CR to have been sent.
A least no one has declared war on me yet so I should be good.
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| October 6, 2013, 12:42 am
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
No, for now everyone is in a cease fire, and there is no reason for CR to have been sent.
A least no one has declared war on me yet so I should be good.

that last post was over a week ago, i havent recived anything this week.
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| October 6, 2013, 12:55 pm
Losses:

Ciphra (note: all forces from battle group “Nu”)
-310 Elite Infantry
-376 Heavy Infantry
-5,716 Infantry
-21 Grenadier Heavy Assualt Mech
-8 Hornet Medium Attack Drones
-44 Caterpillar Mk III
-7 Chariot Troop MBT
-12 Chariot Medic MBT
-14 Chariot Mortar MBT
-3 HAM-1 Gorilla
-63 Flea Mech
-10 MCC-4 Eclipse
-15 Mr-2.T
-19 Mr-2.F
-21 Mr-2.2A
-22 Mr-2.P
-38 LAV-3 Rabbit
-17 GT-145H
-13 H-4 Phoenix
-38 3 Sands Volare Heli
-51 UH-1 Falcon
-44 60 Little Bird UAV



Conglomerate

-69 SK-90 Firebird II
-72 SK-105 Skyraider
-87 YF-24 Razorcat
-90 TX-50 Ranger
-87 TX-Z Skyfox
-63 SK-120 Shadowhawk:

If anyone sees anything wrong, or feels that something is unfair, I am open to input.
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| December 4, 2013, 8:57 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Losses:

Ciphra (note: all forces from battle group “Nu”)
-310 Elite Infantry
-376 Heavy Infantry
-5,716 Infantry
-21 Grenadier Heavy Assualt Mech
-8 Hornet Medium Attack Drones
-44 Caterpillar Mk III
-7 Chariot Troop MBT
-12 Chariot Medic MBT
-14 Chariot Mortar MBT
-3 HAM-1 Gorilla
-63 Flea Mech
-10 MCC-4 Eclipse
-15 Mr-2.T
-19 Mr-2.F
-21 Mr-2.2A
-22 Mr-2.P
-38 LAV-3 Rabbit
-17 GT-145H
-13 H-4 Phoenix
-38 3 Sands Volare Heli
-51 UH-1 Falcon
-44 60 Little Bird UAV



Conglomerate

-69 SK-90 Firebird II
-72 SK-105 Skyraider
-87 YF-24 Razorcat
-90 TX-50 Ranger
-87 TX-Z Skyfox
-63 SK-120 Shadowhawk:

If anyone sees anything wrong, or feels that something is unfair, I am open to input.

three questions, how did they shoot down so many little birds. The little birds are about as small as a raven and to be used for close reconnaissance on the battle field. They should have just been flying around (assuming we wernt invaded). the second question why so many flea mechs, they are also small, and were mainly on patrol alone, tanks would be a much easier target. Finally, 66 percent of the food trucks assigned where destroyed, does McCall have something against Food Trucks. (whereas casualties other units(besides flea mechs) suffered stayed around ten percent) There may be another question when i see the full report.

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| December 4, 2013, 9:14 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Two questions, how did they shoot down so many little birds. The little birds are about as small as a raven and to be used for close reconnaissance on the battle field. They should have just been flying around (assuming we wernt invaded). the second question why so many flea mechs, they are also small, and were mainly on patrol alone, tanks would be a much easier target.

Just double check on the little birds, I accidentally clicked the wrong link for those. I'll fix it. As form the flea mechs, I'll get back to you.

An update tomorrow maybe.
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| December 4, 2013, 9:24 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
three questions, how did they shoot down so many little birds. The little birds are about as small as a raven and to be used for close reconnaissance on the battle field. They should have just been flying around (assuming we wernt invaded). the second question why so many flea mechs, they are also small, and were mainly on patrol alone, tanks would be a much easier target. Finally, 66 percent of the food trucks assigned where destroyed, does McCall have something against Food Trucks. (whereas casualties other units(besides flea mechs) suffered stayed around ten percent) There may be another question when i see the full report.

Maybe your little birds were bein targeted by vehicle mounted point defenses? It pretty common for my vehicles to have them. Anyway, no, I wasn't targeting logistics specially, I was trying to go after ships and aircraft. Obviously, something rather different than what I had expected must have happened for such results to occur. I suspect it was an attack on Talos given the losses.
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| December 4, 2013, 9:52 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Maybe your little birds were bein targeted by vehicle mounted point defenses? It pretty common for my vehicles to have them. Anyway, no, I wasn't targeting logistics specially, I was trying to go after ships and aircraft. Obviously, something rather different than what I had expected must have happened for such results to occur. I suspect it was an attack on Talos given the losses.

First of all i have no idea where talos is, secondly, if (not sure if you did) you did commit a ground assault, how come you had no ground losses. (Note, i also was mainly targeting ships and aircraft)
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| December 4, 2013, 9:56 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
First of all i have no idea where talos is, secondly, if (not sure if you did) you did commit a ground assault, how come you had no ground losses. (Note, i also was mainly targeting ships and aircraft)

Nope, no ground forces were committed, it was aircraft only that attacked your country. The lack of naval losses for either side is... odd.
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| December 4, 2013, 10:40 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Nope, no ground forces were committed, it was aircraft only that attacked your country. The lack of naval losses for either side is... odd.

well, tis all but speculation until we see what happened. (about naval losses, I am guessing our positioning was off, because I believe I specifically ordered a group to attack any naval units in a sector, that I was sure would contain some
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| December 4, 2013, 10:52 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
well, tis all but speculation until we see what happened. (about naval losses, I am guessing our positioning was off, because I believe I specifically ordered a group to attack any naval units in a sector, that I was sure would contain some
One Final questin, as i was looking over my plans, i notes that i sent the UAV-4's to engage any aircraft in the east, yet the losses of these type of aircraft are completly absent, did he not target these aircraft, or is this what you thought the little birds were? And same thing with the rest of Rho (the non H-4 units) were supposed to sespond to air incursions, but there are no losses among units (unless something that happened is in the battle report and i am unaware (also please email me and McCall what happened so we can start typing up next weeks battle plands))

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| December 5, 2013, 8:13 am
I'll out an email tonight with what happened, a lot of this will make more sense. I'm going to adjust the losses of little birds since I mistook them for something else. I'm also going to reevaluate your plans to make sure I didn't miss anything since both of you were wondering about naval action.
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| December 5, 2013, 5:32 pm
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Quoting Jack K
I'll out an email tonight with what happened, a lot of this will make more sense. I'm going to adjust the losses of little birds since I mistook them for something else. I'm also going to reevaluate your plans to make sure I didn't miss anything since both of you were wondering about naval action.

I'm mainly curious why I lost so many fighters relative to my opponent and literally lost nothing else. XD
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| December 5, 2013, 6:30 pm
Just discovered the source of the discrepancies, I copied and pasted Daniel's plane into word and word deleted several paragraphs. I had looked at the email since Daniel's group "Roh" wasn't on the copied version, and saw about six random paragraphs were missing. I need to completely rework the CR. Darn technology.
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| December 5, 2013, 8:10 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm mainly curious why I lost so many fighters relative to my opponent and literally lost nothing else. XD

I thought that was due to what Rho was ordered and equiped with, but maybe not.
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| December 5, 2013, 9:22 pm
Traxxus forces under Conglomerate control were here beaten back by a well-prepared Ciphra. Ciphra force Pi, an entirely naval force, was positioned to intercept any forces dispatched from Traxxus. Strike force Rho joined the fight soon after. The Conglomerate force was well equipped and dealt quite a bit of damage to Ciphra’s forces before mounting losses force a retreat. Conglomerate airpower was incredibly effective, however the sheer amount of AA fire from Ciphra’s ships took its toll. Before their retreat however, Conglomerate forces sank and critically damaged many of Ciphra’s ships. Ciphra’s Aquamarine subs were very effective against the comparatively small Conglomerate naval force. Conglomerate retreated before any land targets were engaged.
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| December 6, 2013, 7:02 pm
Rho, Pi, Nu, and Xi Vs. Traxxus Air and Sea
Loses

Ciphra:

9 Otter Class Support Ships
15 Water Skimmer PT Boats, 7 damaged
10 Water Skimmer PT AA Boats, 3 damaged
27 TIC tactical Insertion Craft
1 Oklahoma Class Minelayer lost, 1 critically damaged
21 GT-145H
62 3 Sands Mk II
104 H-4 Phoenix
97 UAV-4 Gul
31 Timewarp B-II, 12 heavily damaged
24 Crystledge Stealth Bomber

Conglomerate

1 ORCA class nuclear fast attack submarine
8 Silentium class LCS, 2 damaged
6 Capitalis class destroyers
2 Redeo class Guided missile Cruisers
97 SK-90 Firebird II
87 SK-105 Skyraider
102 YF-24 Razorcat
121 TX-50 Ranger
117 TX-Z Skyfox
86 SK-120 Shadowhawk
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| December 6, 2013, 7:02 pm
The other Conglomerate force (referred to here as “Stealth”) was more successful. The stealthy ability allowed it to evade most of Ciphra’s defenses, their flight pattern also helped. Ciphra’s forces Koppa and Mu were engaged by Conglomerate’s “Stealth”. The smaller naval force was devastated by the Conglomerate’s bombers, and also lacked air support. Upon reaching land, at 128, the Conglomerate forces rained firepower on Ciphra’s ground forces to devastating effect. Though Ciphra’s fighters were able to intercept “Stealth”, fighter-bomber escorts proved effective. Ciphra’s AA was effective, but Conglomerate Ghost bombers stealth capability and high bomb load minimized the effects of this. Ciphra’s G.R.A.D.E. did its job, but most AA was taken out before G.R.A.D.E. systems could be most effective.
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| December 6, 2013, 7:02 pm
Koppa and Mu Vs. Stealth
Loses:

Ciphra

18 GT-145H*
20 H-4 Phoenix**
1 Nevada lost, 1 critical damage
1 Oklahoma
2 Minnow Light Attack Sub
51 Hornet Medium Attack Drone
12 Littlebird UAV
41 UH-1 Falcon
23 3 Sands Volare Heli
432 Elite Infantry
501 Heavy Infantry
8,762 Infantry
37 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
44 Caterpillar Mk III
8 Chariot Troop MBT
14 Chariot Medic MBT
12 Chariot Mortor SPG
4 HAM-1 Gorilla
39 Flea Mech
14 MCC-4 Eclipse
10 Mr-2 T
9 Mr-2 F
21 Mr-2 2A
8 Mr-2 P
35 LAV-3 Rabbit

Conglomerate

22 Ghost Stealth Bombers
72 Wraith Fighter Bombers

EDITED SLIGHTLY DUE TO OVERSIGHT ON MY PART FROM:
*40
**44
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| December 6, 2013, 7:03 pm
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Quoting Jack K
The other Conglomerate force (referred to here as “Stealth”) was more successful. The stealthy ability allowed it to evade most of Ciphra’s defenses, their flight pattern also helped. Ciphra’s forces Koppa and Mu were engaged by Conglomerate’s “Stealth”. The smaller naval force was devastated by the Conglomerate’s bombers, and also lacked air support. Upon reaching land, at 128, the Conglomerate forces rained firepower on Ciphra’s ground forces to devastating effect. Though Ciphra’s fighters were able to intercept “Stealth”, fighter-bomber escorts proved effective. Ciphra’s AA was effective, but Conglomerate Ghost bombers stealth capability and high bomb load minimized the effects of this. Ciphra’s G.R.A.D.E. did its job, but most AA was taken out before G.R.A.D.E. systems could be most effective.
Good, but just one question, how did Mu and Koppa from lose more H-4 phoenix's and Gt-145's that where assigned to them. (according to your report Rho did not come to their aid, (although i thought they split to support) and this accounted for the heavy losses, yet you included losses from rho ( i am assuming you included airplanes from rho, because those from nu where on the other side (however they could have engaged the bombers when they were on the way back) Besides this discrepancy (although i might just be mistaken), you did great.
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| December 6, 2013, 7:22 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Rho, Pi, Nu, and Xi Vs. Traxxus Air and Sea
Loses

Ciphra:

9 Otter Class Support Ships
15 Water Skimmer PT Boats, 7 damaged
10 Water Skimmer PT AA Boats, 3 damaged
27 TIC tactical Insertion Craft
1 Oklahoma Class Minelayer lost, 1 critically damaged
21 GT-145H
62 3 Sands Mk II
104 H-4 Phoenix
97 UAV-4 Gul
31 Timewarp B-II, 12 heavily damaged
24 Crystledge Stealth Bomber

Conglomerate

1 ORCA class nuclear fast attack submarine
8 Silentium class LCS, 2 damaged
6 Capitalis class destroyers
2 Redeo class Guided missile Cruisers
97 SK-90 Firebird II
87 SK-105 Skyraider
102 YF-24 Razorcat
121 TX-50 Ranger
117 TX-Z Skyfox
86 SK-120 Shadowhawk

Quick question when is says A destroyed, B damaged, does that mean B is included in A, or the total amount is A+B (sorry about my phrasing, i realize this may be confusing.
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| December 6, 2013, 7:40 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quick question when is says A destroyed, B damaged, does that mean B is included in A, or the total amount is A+B (sorry about my phrasing, i realize this may be confusing.

I see where you got confused, it means that A is destroyed and B ,totally separate from A, is damaged. So the numbers are not connected to each other.
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| December 6, 2013, 9:44 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Good, but just one question, how did Mu and Koppa from lose more H-4 phoenix's and Gt-145's that where assigned to them. (according to your report Rho did not come to their aid, (although i thought they split to support) and this accounted for the heavy losses, yet you included losses from rho ( i am assuming you included airplanes from rho, because those from nu where on the other side (however they could have engaged the bombers when they were on the way back) Besides this discrepancy (although i might just be mistaken), you did great.

Thanks for pointing this out. Just a simple oversight on my part. I'll fix it.
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| December 6, 2013, 9:49 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Traxxus forces under Conglomerate control were here beaten back by a well-prepared Ciphra. Ciphra force Pi, an entirely naval force, was positioned to intercept any forces dispatched from Traxxus. Strike force Rho joined the fight soon after. The Conglomerate force was well equipped and dealt quite a bit of damage to Ciphra’s forces before mounting losses force a retreat. Conglomerate airpower was incredibly effective, however the sheer amount of AA fire from Ciphra’s ships took its toll. Before their retreat however, Conglomerate forces sank and critically damaged many of Ciphra’s ships. Ciphra’s Aquamarine subs were very effective against the comparatively small Conglomerate naval force. Conglomerate retreated before any land targets were engaged.

Just wanted to let you know before you read the rest of this that you did good for your first time even if I don't agree with everything, and that if you don't want to change the results then you should fell free to keep them as they are. I try not to critique the judges decisions but in this case there were a few major things that you seem to have missed. That being said...

Ummm....

Heavy amounts of AA? I've looked at Daniel's navy, and besides his 35 water skimmer AA boats (which are only armed with 4 40mm guns and 2 quad light missile launcher), as far as I can tell the rest of his navy lacks any real anti-air capability. Also, 40 mm guns and light missiles are fine for engaging targets that are close (ie targets within 8 kilometers or less, and that's being generous by doubling the range relative to real-world systems, and also ignoring that my aircraft have point-defense lasers to shoot down the missiles), but at any real distance they are of little to no use.

As for my opponent's aircraft, I think that Daniel's H-4 Phoenix is a rather good fighter and his GT-145H is decent enough, but the 3-Sands MK2 is tiny and lacks air-to-air fire power (it would be more powerful if it had the wide amount of tech in the description but most of it was nerfed/banned due to it being overpowered technobabble). Finally, with just two awkward downward facing guns, the Gul is near useless for any sort of air to air combat.

On top of this, you seem to have forgotten about the 175 Valkyrie Fighters and 175 Phoenix UAVs listed among the aircraft defending Traxxus.Basically, I had 350 more aircraft defending than what you seem to have thought.

TL,DR I'm fairly certain that you have a force of 35 light aa platforms plus an unknown number of enemy aircraft (it is known that they numbered less than 515 aircraft) with air-to-air capability facing my defending 2,298 fighters along with 39 capital ships with aa capabilities, and yet for some reason you decided that my airforce was pushed back with massive losses.

On the other hand, I agree that Daniel's subs would be most effective against my navy.


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| December 7, 2013, 1:25 am
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Quoting Jack K
The other Conglomerate force (referred to here as “Stealth”) was more successful. The stealthy ability allowed it to evade most of Ciphra’s defenses, their flight pattern also helped. Ciphra’s forces Koppa and Mu were engaged by Conglomerate’s “Stealth”. The smaller naval force was devastated by the Conglomerate’s bombers, and also lacked air support. Upon reaching land, at 128, the Conglomerate forces rained firepower on Ciphra’s ground forces to devastating effect. Though Ciphra’s fighters were able to intercept “Stealth”, fighter-bomber escorts proved effective. Ciphra’s AA was effective, but Conglomerate Ghost bombers stealth capability and high bomb load minimized the effects of this. Ciphra’s G.R.A.D.E. did its job, but most AA was taken out before G.R.A.D.E. systems could be most effective.

You seem to have made a fairly major oversight on the escorts sent to protect my bombers. The fighter bombers were not the escort, they are simply bombers with the ability to dogfight. This is the relevant part of my plan: "Our stealth bomber force (about 200) will skirt around the west coast of the UIS and bomb military targets located in western Ciphra. They will be supported by 100 of our Valkyrie fighters (for) defense."

These 100 Valkyries appear to have not been factored into the combat results, so redoing would be much appreciated as the current losses to my supposedly unsupported bomber force is rather unpleasant.
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| December 7, 2013, 1:31 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Just wanted to let you know before you read the rest of this that you did good for your first time even if I don't agree with everything, and that if you don't want to change the results then you should fell free to keep them as they are. I try not to critique the judges decisions but in this case there were a few major things that you seem to have missed. That being said...

Ummm....

Heavy amounts of AA? I've looked at Daniel's navy, and besides his 35 water skimmer AA boats (which are only armed with 4 40mm guns and 2 quad light missile launcher), as far as I can tell the rest of his navy lacks any real anti-air capability. Also, 40 mm guns and light missiles are fine for engaging targets that are close (ie targets within 8 kilometers or less, and that's being generous by doubling the range relative to real-world systems, and also ignoring that my aircraft have point-defense lasers to shoot down the missiles), but at any real distance they are of little to no use.

As for my opponent's aircraft, I think that Daniel's H-4 Phoenix is a rather good fighter and his GT-145H is decent enough, but the 3-Sands MK2 is tiny and lacks air-to-air fire power (it would be more powerful if it had the wide amount of tech in the description but most of it was nerfed/banned due to it being overpowered technobabble). Finally, with just two awkward downward facing guns, the Gul is near useless for any sort of air to air combat.

On top of this, you seem to have forgotten about the 175 Valkyrie Fighters and 175 Phoenix UAVs listed among the aircraft defending Traxxus.Basically, I had 350 more aircraft defending than what you seem to have thought.

TL,DR I'm fairly certain that you have a force of 35 light aa platforms plus an unknown number of enemy aircraft (it is known that they numbered less than 515 aircraft) with air-to-air capability facing my defending 2,298 fighters along with 39 capital ships with aa capabilities, and yet for some reason you decided that my airforce was pushed back with massive losses.

On the other hand, I agree that Daniel's subs would be most effective against my navy.


A couple things. #1 you are thinking too linearly, Anti aircraft fire does not have to come from ground level #2 perhaps the aircraft didnt engage over traxus island (i have no idea where, but i didnt order them to attack traxus island unless the island attacked first))#3 no need to go and bash most of my airforce, i could do the same thing to most of yours (you can always find something wrong) #4 on an unrelated note, most of the aircraft you have on traxus island dont have a link with pictures, does that mean they dont exist?


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| December 7, 2013, 7:13 am
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
A couple things. #1 you are thinking too linearly, Anti aircraft fire does not have to come from ground level #2 perhaps the aircraft didnt engage over traxus island (i have no idea where, but i didnt order them to attack traxus island unless the island attacked first))#3 no need to go and bash most of my airforce, i could do the same thing to most of yours (you can always find something wrong) #4 on an unrelated note, most of the aircraft you have on traxus island dont have a link with pictures, does that mean they dont exist?


1. I'm aware of that, but it's also irrelevant as I've listed all possible sources of anti-aircraft that you have at your disposal to deploy in the battle (obviously your vehicle mounted AA would be incapable of engaging in this fight).

2. The fight should have taken place within 50 or so miles of Traxxus in the natural choke point between Traxxus and 131/132, so all defending units would have been available. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that my 350 fighters should not have been participating in the battle.

3. I normally wouldn't bash people's aircraft but it's worth pointing out that it's near impossible for aircraft like your Gul to engage in air-to-air warfare. It's a valid point that bears pointing out. I would even go as far as to say that I'm not bashing it, it's a decent enough light ground attack UAV but it seems you were wanting to use it for something it has no capability for.

4. I do releasing that they don't have pics, unfortunately Tyro never got around to adding them before he have his stats to me. I suppose I should get around to fixing this.
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| December 7, 2013, 11:48 am
AA is kinda useless against anything highly advanced like 7th gen fighters and high altitude craft. AA is good against something like A-10s and low altitude and lesser tech aircraft.

Unless you use charged particle energy weapons like railguns and mass drivers with guided munitions.
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| December 7, 2013, 12:21 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Unless you use charged particle energy weapons like railguns and mass drivers with guided munitions.

or this http://flic.kr/p/fz3VJg
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| December 7, 2013, 12:23 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
or this http://flic.kr/p/fz3VJg

Point defense lasers would have a very good chance of being able to shoot down those missiles before they could reach the aircraft.
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| December 7, 2013, 1:11 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
AA is kinda useless against anything highly advanced like 7th gen fighters and high altitude craft. AA is good against something like A-10s and low altitude and lesser tech aircraft.

Unless you use charged particle energy weapons like railguns and mass drivers with guided munitions.

He uses 40 mm (autocannons?) guns and light missiles similar to the fim-92 stinger. Neither of these are long ranged weaponry, and the missiles suffer from a vulnerability to point-defense.
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| December 7, 2013, 1:14 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Heavy amounts of AA? I've looked at Daniel's navy, and besides his 35 water skimmer AA boats (which are only armed with 4 40mm guns and 2 quad light missile launcher), as far as I can tell the rest of his navy lacks any real anti-air capability. Also, 40 mm guns and light missiles are fine for engaging targets that are close (ie targets within 8 kilometers or less, and that's being generous by doubling the range relative to real-world systems, and also ignoring that my aircraft have point-defense lasers to shoot down the missiles), but at any real distance they are of little to no use.

Well it wasn't the AA per ship, it he had a lot of ships and that was a factor.

Quoting Matthew McCall
As for my opponent's aircraft, I think that Daniel's H-4 Phoenix is a rather good fighter and his GT-145H is decent enough, but the 3-Sands MK2 is tiny and lacks air-to-air fire power (it would be more powerful if it had the wide amount of tech in the description but most of it was nerfed/banned due to it being overpowered technobabble). Finally, with just two awkward downward facing guns, the Gul is near useless for any sort of air to air combat.

This true and you managed to down many of them.

Quoting Matthew McCall
On top of this, you seem to have forgotten about the 175 Valkyrie Fighters and 175 Phoenix UAVs listed among the aircraft defending Traxxus.Basically, I had 350 more aircraft defending than what you seem to have thought.

No fighting got that close to the island and therefore the protective force stayed there.

Quoting Matthew McCall
TL,DR I'm fairly certain that you have a force of 35 light aa platforms plus an unknown number of enemy aircraft (it is known that they numbered less than 515 aircraft) with air-to-air capability facing my defending 2,298 fighters along with 39 capital ships with aa capabilities, and yet for some reason you decided that my airforce was pushed back with massive losses.

It wasn't air losses, it was the naval loses that were the factor here.

EDIT: I'm not trying to be argumentative or too defensive here, I'm just giving the reasons for what happened. I am, however, doing a quick reevaluation of losses, the battle itself will be the same.
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| December 7, 2013, 5:14 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
You seem to have made a fairly major oversight on the escorts sent to protect my bombers. The fighter bombers were not the escort, they are simply bombers with the ability to dogfight. This is the relevant part of my plan: "Our stealth bomber force (about 200) will skirt around the west coast of the UIS and bomb military targets located in western Ciphra. They will be supported by 100 of our Valkyrie fighters (for) defense."

These 100 Valkyries appear to have not been factored into the combat results, so redoing would be much appreciated as the current losses to my supposedly unsupported bomber force is rather unpleasant.

Yes I did make an oversight here. I rushed a bit to post the CR after what went wrong the first time. I'll make a fix here.
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| December 7, 2013, 5:16 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Well it wasn't the AA per ship, it he had a lot of ships and that was a factor


35 light aa platforms is hardly a large amount of aa, especially when facing over 2000 networked fighters armed with anti-ship missiles that are searching for said ships with the intent of sinking them. Daniel's aa boats have very limited effective range (8 km)and firepower and would die to a single hit from an anti-ship missile. In fact, my fighters have significantly better effective range with their 130+ km ranged missiles, so they could attack enemy aa ships while in little to no danger of return fire from them. The aa ships are not stealthy so they would not be able to hide from so many prowling eyes.

Quoting Jack K
This true and you managed to down many of them.


Yes, but the fact that I lost about 600 fighters compared to Daniel losing only 250 is ridiculous even with his 35 aa boats, especially when a large number of his uavs have little/no air-to-air capability.

Quoting Jack K
No fighting got that close to the island and therefore the protective force stayed there.


I never said that said 350 aircraft were separate from the native Traxxus designs. It was supposed to be a mix.

Quoting Jack K
It wasn't air losses, it was the naval loses that were the factor here.


I fail to see how my naval losses to subs have much of anything to do with how the air battle went. I actually agree with the navel losses for the most part.

Quoting Jack K
EDIT: I'm not trying to be argumentative or too defensive here, I'm just giving the reasons for what happened. I am, however, doing a quick reevaluation of losses, the battle itself will be the same.

A reevaluation would be appreciated. :)
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| December 7, 2013, 6:01 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Yes I did make an oversight here. I rushed a bit to post the CR after what went wrong the first time. I'll make a fix here.

Umm... I'm seeing something on the losses stats saying it's been updated but my casualties for the bombers don't see to much if any lower than I remember them and there is still no mention of the Valkyries. Did you update it over a concern Daniel had?
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| December 7, 2013, 6:09 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Umm... I'm seeing something on the losses stats saying it's been updated but my casualties for the bombers don't see to much if any lower than I remember them and there is still no mention of the Valkyries. Did you update it over a concern Daniel had?

I haven't yet, I'm doing a total review. I also had a long meeting today.
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| December 7, 2013, 7:50 pm
Koppa and Mu Vs. Stealth
Loses:

Ciphra

18 GT-145H
20 H-4 Phoenix
1 Nevada lost, 1 critical damage
1 Oklahoma
2 Minnow Light Attack Sub
51 Hornet Medium Attack Drone
12 Littlebird UAV
41 UH-1 Falcon
23 3 Sands Volare Heli
432 Elite Infantry
501 Heavy Infantry
8,762 Infantry
37 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
44 Caterpillar Mk III
8 Chariot Troop MBT
14 Chariot Medic MBT
12 Chariot Mortor SPG
4 HAM-1 Gorilla
39 Flea Mech
14 MCC-4 Eclipse
10 Mr-2 T
9 Mr-2 F
21 Mr-2 2A
8 Mr-2 P
35 LAV-3 Rabbit

Conglomerate

10 Ghost Stealth Bombers
46 Wraith Fighter Bombers
21 Valkyrie Fighters

Adjusted to include Conglomerate fighter escorts
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| December 7, 2013, 8:06 pm
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Quoting Jack K
I haven't yet, I'm doing a total review. I also had a long meeting today.

Ah, so that was an update concerning Daniel.
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| December 7, 2013, 9:02 pm
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Quoting Jack K
* snip stat adjustments *

Thanks for factoring in my fighter escort. :)

Any chance you will be getting around to adjusting the other battle fairly soon to reflect the 350 extra aircraft and the fact that I took implausibly large aircraft losses?
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| December 7, 2013, 9:03 pm
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It is too quite, I wish there was some one that I can take on. :(
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| December 7, 2013, 9:07 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Thanks for factoring in my fighter escort. :)

Any chance you will be getting around to adjusting the other battle fairly soon to reflect the 350 extra aircraft and the fact that I took implausibly large aircraft losses?
Mathew, mathew, mathew, the other battle was plausible in its result due to a little secret weapon i have ( not really secret). Either way, i lost a much higher percentage of aircraft than you, i lost 35% of my airforce (which i think is ridiculous, because my aircraft(accept the H-4's) where just supposed to designate targets) you lost 30% of your air force on traxus island (even less of your total) even though you lost more this was still a victory for you.

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| December 8, 2013, 7:49 am
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Matthew McCall
Thanks for factoring in my fighter escort. :)

Any chance you will be getting around to adjusting the other battle fairly soon to reflect the 350 extra aircraft and the fact that I took implausibly large aircraft losses?
Mathew, mathew, mathew, the other battle was plausible in its result due to a little secret weapon i have ( not really secret). Either way, i lost a much higher percentage of aircraft than you, i lost 35% of my airforce (which i think is ridiculous, because my aircraft(accept the H-4's) where just supposed to designate targets) you lost 30% of your air force on traxus island (even less of your total) even though you lost more this was still a victory for you.

There is no mention of any effects of a secret weapon in the CM report, not even a vague one.

The thing is, the way I wrote in my strategy that my fighters were to keep away from enemy units and use long range missiles and lasers to deal with them, relying on scout aircraft to locate targets. Given standard aircraft operating heights (up to 25 kilometers) they would almost always be our of your light AA's 8 kilometer range. Besides that, your AA is simply not that deadly even within effective range. Also, as I've already pointed out, Jack mishandled my 350 conglomerate designed aircraft by misreading my plan, this is something that needs to be addressed even if Jack decides my aircraft losses are valid.

Anyways, losing 2.5 times as many fighters is not winning by any definition and is utterly ridiculous considering how overmatched your forces were in the air. The 35 AA boats are nowhere near powerful or numerous enough to justify the losses either, and if you did have a secret weapon it's effects should have been mentioned in the CM.
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| December 8, 2013, 11:11 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
There is no mention of any effects of a secret weapon in the CM report, not even a vague one.

The thing is, the way I wrote in my strategy that my fighters were to keep away from enemy units and use long range missiles and lasers to deal with them, relying on scout aircraft to locate targets. Given standard aircraft operating heights (up to 25 kilometers) they would almost always be our of your light AA's 8 kilometer range. Besides that, your AA is simply not that deadly even within effective range. Also, as I've already pointed out, Jack mishandled my 350 conglomerate designed aircraft by misreading my plan, this is something that needs to be addressed even if Jack decides my aircraft losses are valid.

Anyways, losing 2.5 times as many fighters is not winning by any definition and is utterly ridiculous considering how overmatched your forces were in the air. The 35 AA boats are nowhere near powerful or numerous enough to justify the losses either, and if you did have a secret weapon it's effects should have been mentioned in the CM.
Well, it is my secret weapon, but it is extremly conventional, the only secret part is how it is deployed

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| December 8, 2013, 11:41 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Thanks for factoring in my fighter escort. :)

Any chance you will be getting around to adjusting the other battle fairly soon to reflect the 350 extra aircraft and the fact that I took implausibly large aircraft losses?

Don't worry, I've factored in what you've said and come up with a CR that reflects your clarifications.
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| December 8, 2013, 2:21 pm
Rho, Pi, and Nu Vs. Traxxus Air and Sea
Loses

Ciphra:

9 Otter Class Support Ships
15 Water Skimmer PT Boats, 7 damaged
10 Water Skimmer PT AA Boats, 3 damaged
27 TIC tactical Insertion Craft
1 Oklahoma Class Minelayer lost, 1 critically damaged
33 GT-145H
62 3 Sands Mk II
121 H-4 Phoenix
97 UAV-4 Gul
31 Timewarp B-II, 12 heavily damaged
24 Crystledge Stealth Bomber
10 Littlebird UAVs
35 UH-1 Falcons
24 3 Sands Volare Heli
46 LAV-3 Rabbit
12 Mr-2 P
28 Mr-2 2A
8 Mr-2 F
14 Mr-2 T
8 MCC-4 Eclipse
21 Flea Mech
5 HAM-1 Gorilla
14 Chariot Mortar MBT
17 Chariot Medic MBT
8 Chariot Troop MBT
47 Caterpillar Mk III
7 Hornet Medium Attack Drones
33 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
7,246 Infantry
326 Heavy Infantry
277 Elite Infantry


Conglomerate

1 ORCA class nuclear fast attack submarine
8 Silentium class LCS, 2 damaged
6 Capitalis class destroyers
2 Redeo class Guided missile Cruisers
82 SK-90 Firebird II
71 SK-105 Skyraider
100 YF-24 Razorcat
121 TX-50 Ranger
117 TX-Z Skyfox
63 SK-120 Shadowhawk
27 Valkyrie Fighters
36 Phoenix UAVs

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| December 8, 2013, 2:29 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Anyways, losing 2.5 times as many fighters is not winning by any definition and is utterly ridiculous considering how overmatched your forces were in the air. The 35 AA boats are nowhere near powerful or numerous enough to justify the losses either, and if you did have a secret weapon it's effects should have been mentioned in the CM.

Lets say you have 2,000 fighters and i have 500
If i lose 250 fighters and you lose 625, you have still won as my airpower will be destroyed well before yours. and in the next week, instead of their being a 1 to 4 ratio in favor of you, their will be a 1 to 5.4 ratio in favor of you Any way you put it, that is a Pyrrhic victory for me, it is why russia beat germany.

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| December 8, 2013, 4:31 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Rho, Pi, and Nu Vs. Traxxus Air and Sea
Loses

Ciphra:

9 Otter Class Support Ships
15 Water Skimmer PT Boats, 7 damaged
10 Water Skimmer PT AA Boats, 3 damaged
27 TIC tactical Insertion Craft
1 Oklahoma Class Minelayer lost, 1 critically damaged
33 GT-145H
62 3 Sands Mk II
121 H-4 Phoenix
97 UAV-4 Gul
31 Timewarp B-II, 12 heavily damaged
24 Crystledge Stealth Bomber
10 Littlebird UAVs
35 UH-1 Falcons
24 3 Sands Volare Heli
46 LAV-3 Rabbit
12 Mr-2 P
28 Mr-2 2A
8 Mr-2 F
14 Mr-2 T
8 MCC-4 Eclipse
21 Flea Mech
5 HAM-1 Gorilla
14 Chariot Mortar MBT
17 Chariot Medic MBT
8 Chariot Troop MBT
47 Caterpillar Mk III
7 Hornet Medium Attack Drones
33 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
7,246 Infantry
326 Heavy Infantry
277 Elite Infantry


Conglomerate

1 ORCA class nuclear fast attack submarine
8 Silentium class LCS, 2 damaged
6 Capitalis class destroyers
2 Redeo class Guided missile Cruisers
82 SK-90 Firebird II
71 SK-105 Skyraider
100 YF-24 Razorcat
121 TX-50 Ranger
117 TX-Z Skyfox
63 SK-120 Shadowhawk
27 Valkyrie Fighters
36 Phoenix UAVs

Thanks, I have no complaints now. When do want our next plans by? * goes to work decided whether I should reinforce Traxxus or hunker down defending my mainland *
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| December 8, 2013, 4:37 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Rho, Pi, and Nu Vs. Traxxus Air and Sea
Loses

Ciphra:

9 Otter Class Support Ships
15 Water Skimmer PT Boats, 7 damaged
10 Water Skimmer PT AA Boats, 3 damaged
27 TIC tactical Insertion Craft
1 Oklahoma Class Minelayer lost, 1 critically damaged
33 GT-145H
62 3 Sands Mk II
121 H-4 Phoenix
97 UAV-4 Gul
31 Timewarp B-II, 12 heavily damaged
24 Crystledge Stealth Bomber
10 Littlebird UAVs
35 UH-1 Falcons
24 3 Sands Volare Heli
46 LAV-3 Rabbit
12 Mr-2 P
28 Mr-2 2A
8 Mr-2 F
14 Mr-2 T
8 MCC-4 Eclipse
21 Flea Mech
5 HAM-1 Gorilla
14 Chariot Mortar MBT
17 Chariot Medic MBT
8 Chariot Troop MBT
47 Caterpillar Mk III
7 Hornet Medium Attack Drones
33 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
7,246 Infantry
326 Heavy Infantry
277 Elite Infantry


Conglomerate

1 ORCA class nuclear fast attack submarine
8 Silentium class LCS, 2 damaged
6 Capitalis class destroyers
2 Redeo class Guided missile Cruisers
82 SK-90 Firebird II
71 SK-105 Skyraider
100 YF-24 Razorcat
121 TX-50 Ranger
117 TX-Z Skyfox
63 SK-120 Shadowhawk
27 Valkyrie Fighters
36 Phoenix UAVs

I have to say, i dont agree with these numbers, but i wont contest it. Over 65% of aircraft i fielded in the fight where destroyed, when all aircraft except the 3 sands where supposed to keep there distance and protect the you know whats unless they tried to assult the land forces.
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| December 8, 2013, 4:40 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Thanks, I have no complaints now. When do want our next plans by? * goes to work decided whether I should reinforce Traxxus or hunker down defending my mainland *
I will tell you this, i have no plans of invading traxxus island, if they would leave me alone, i would leave them

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| December 8, 2013, 4:44 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
I have to say, i dont agree with these numbers, but i wont contest it. Over 65% of aircraft i fielded in the fight where destroyed, when all aircraft except the 3 sands where supposed to keep there distance and protect the you know whats unless they tried to assult the land forces.

Well, I had about twice as many aircraft out there specifically searching for your aircraft, so them staying out of combat would have been rather difficult.
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| December 8, 2013, 4:57 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, I had about twice as many aircraft out there specifically searching for your aircraft, so them staying out of combat would have been rather difficult.

If they where far enough back your troops would have to have flown over my land
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| December 8, 2013, 4:59 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
I will tell you this, i have no plans of invading traxxus island, if they would leave me alone, i would leave them

I have no motive for not deploying Traxxus as it would simply mean that my mainland would be under attack instead. ;)
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| December 8, 2013, 5:02 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Thanks, I have no complaints now. When do want our next plans by?

How does this coming saturday sound?

Also, for some reason it keeps telling me it needs a minute for the actual CR to post. I've tried three times, once about a minute ago.
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| December 8, 2013, 6:51 pm
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Quoting Jack K
How does this coming saturday sound?

Also, for some reason it keeps telling me it needs a minute for the actual CR to post. I've tried three times, once about a minute ago.

1) That sounds good, and 2) that is a very strange issue I've never heard of before. O_O
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| December 8, 2013, 8:06 pm
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Quoting Jack K
33 GT-145H
18 Gt-145H

Just realized, you have more being destroyed of these than i currently posess
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| December 9, 2013, 4:29 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Just realized, you have more being destroyed of these than i currently posess

Obviously my engineers repaired them so we could blow them up again. XD
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| December 9, 2013, 6:08 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Just realized, you have more being destroyed of these than i currently posess

Well in your Plan, you say you have 50, in Statistics, you have 7, and I killed 51 of yours. So which is wrong, Statistics or the plan?
This will help me to fix the losses.
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| December 9, 2013, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Well in your Plan, you say you have 50, in Statistics, you have 7, and I killed 51 of yours. So which is wrong, Statistics or the plan?
This will help me to fix the losses.

I had 50 overall, i you said i lost 33 in the group with only 25 (hmm, i should have 8 left over than)
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| December 9, 2013, 9:25 pm
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So, I'm almost done with this weeks plan. Daniel, is yours coming along well?
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| December 13, 2013, 9:32 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
So, I'm almost done with this weeks plan. Daniel, is yours coming along well?

they shalt be sent soon (done, but don't have access to comp right now)
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| December 14, 2013, 8:02 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
So, I'm almost done with this weeks plan. Daniel, is yours coming along well?


Expect mine later.
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| December 14, 2013, 10:13 am
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Who is doing the plans for Gaufran vs. Oceanic?
When is it due, and am I expected to be fighting in it?
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| December 14, 2013, 1:43 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Who is doing the plans for Gaufran vs. Oceanic?
When is it due, and am I expected to be fighting in it?

1. I am
2 Very soon, it was supposed to be today
3. I'm not sure, you'll have to ask Jack Kenyon
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| December 14, 2013, 2:24 pm
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I've submitted my plan.
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| December 14, 2013, 2:28 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I've submitted my plan.


I'm finishing mine. Also, what's your email so I can send it?
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| December 14, 2013, 3:11 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

I'm finishing mine. Also, what's your email so I can send it?

mwm.mccall@gmail.com
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| December 14, 2013, 3:45 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Who is doing the plans for Gaufran vs. Oceanic?
When is it due, and am I expected to be fighting in it?

Well, I was going to feature one of your units in the plan, but didnt need to. Maybe next week it would be worth mobilising the LC Juggernaught
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| December 14, 2013, 4:07 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
mwm.mccall@gmail.com


Thanks. I'll deliver it soon.
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| December 14, 2013, 4:27 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I've submitted my plan.

Plan submitted
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| December 14, 2013, 5:28 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Plan submitted

Got both. CR most likely next weekend (21/22).
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| December 14, 2013, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Got both. CR most likely next weekend (21/22).

Sooner would be good if at all possible, there are only 3 weeks left in 2013, and taking up one week back and forth for sending plans and then finding out results would mean that at our current rate there could only be one more week of battle and then it will be 2014. If you can't get in faster we understand, but please keep in kind the fact that this game is rapidly approaching its end.
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| December 14, 2013, 7:18 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Sooner would be good if at all possible, there are only 3 weeks left in 2013, and taking up one week back and forth for sending plans and then finding out results would mean that at our current rate there could only be one more week of battle and then it will be 2014. If you can't get in faster we understand, but please keep in kind the fact that this game is rapidly approaching its end.


Did you get my plans yet?

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| December 14, 2013, 9:53 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Did you get my plans yet?

Yes, I have both plans and will try to get a result done within a few days.
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| December 14, 2013, 10:15 pm
I'm set to showcase some more stuff on the Misc page soon.
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| December 15, 2013, 12:12 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Sooner would be good if at all possible, there are only 3 weeks left in 2013, and taking up one week back and forth for sending plans and then finding out results would mean that at our current rate there could only be one more week of battle and then it will be 2014. If you can't get in faster we understand, but please keep in kind the fact that this game is rapidly approaching its end.

I see what you mean, and I'll do what I can.
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| December 15, 2013, 9:18 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Sooner would be good if at all possible, there are only 3 weeks left in 2013, and taking up one week back and forth for sending plans and then finding out results would mean that at our current rate there could only be one more week of battle and then it will be 2014. If you can't get in faster we understand, but please keep in kind the fact that this game is rapidly approaching its end.

but cant you just continue the war? cause D&C II wont really end in 2014
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| December 15, 2013, 9:57 am
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Quoting Navy Person
but cant you just continue the war? cause D&C II wont really end in 2014

Well, the group is sort of getting "rebooted". Of course, we may be able to delay this invade the war doesn't end in time.
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| December 15, 2013, 11:40 am
In this engagement of the Ciphra/Conglomerate war, Conglomerate heavy transports, under heavy fighter escort flew from bases in Conglomerate, over the U.I.S., to territory 130. Here the Conglomerate force, referred to here as “Cargo”, meet Ciphra’s Epsilon force. The primarily ground based Ciphran force did what it could to ward of the Conglomerate aircraft. Several Conglomerate transports were shot down, but the fighter escorts did their job. The Conglomerate transports then airdropped a massive ground force over Ciphran territory. As the transports headed home, several more were downed. Once landed, the ground forces engaged in a fierce jungle battle. Both armies came well prepared with light, mobile units. In the end, despite Ciphra’s best efforts, Conglomerate forces overcame them. Ciphran forces moved to a safe distance from the Conglomerate strike force and dug in for a defensive. In the end, it was a numbers game.


Conglomerate “Cargo”:
32 (20 prior to drop) Globe Master IV
38 (23 prior to drop) CL-125 Titan
31 Specter UAV
26 Phoenix UAV
33 Valkyrie UAV
37 (12 en route) Vanguard Mech
46 (15 en route) LAV
62 (19 en route) MK3
8,515 (753 en route) Infantry


Ciphra “Epsilon”:
20 Mr-2.2A
13 Mr-2.P
81 3 Sands Mk II Fighter
59 H-4G Phoenix Fighter
36 Little Bird UAV
1,286 Elite infantry
142 Heavy Infantry
312 Infantry
62 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
21 Chariot Medic MBT
31 Chariot Mortar SPG
14 Flea Mech
41 MCC-4 Eclipse Mech
13 Mr-2.T
12 Mr-2.F
37 UH-1 Falcon

NOTE: losses with (en route) or (prior to drop) are included in the first number, a total lose.

Also, this is only 1/2 of the CR. Part 2 is not done yet

And finally, would it be okay if I put up a map of the fighting? Just to show what happened in a more visual way.
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| December 16, 2013, 8:43 pm
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Quoting Jack K
In this engagement of the Ciphra/Conglomerate war, Conglomerate heavy transports, under heavy fighter escort flew from bases in Conglomerate, over the U.I.S., to territory 130. Here the Conglomerate force, referred to here as “Cargo”, meet Ciphra’s Epsilon force. The primarily ground based Ciphran force did what it could to ward of the Conglomerate aircraft. Several Conglomerate transports were shot down, but the fighter escorts did their job. The Conglomerate transports then airdropped a massive ground force over Ciphran territory. As the transports headed home, several more were downed. Once landed, the ground forces engaged in a fierce jungle battle. Both armies came well prepared with light, mobile units. In the end, despite Ciphra’s best efforts, Conglomerate forces overcame them. Ciphran forces moved to a safe distance from the Conglomerate strike force and dug in for a defensive. In the end, it was a numbers game.


Conglomerate “Cargo”:
32 (20 prior to drop) Globe Master IV
38 (23 prior to drop) CL-125 Titan
31 Specter UAV
26 Phoenix UAV
33 Valkyrie UAV
37 (12 en route) Vanguard Mech
46 (15 en route) LAV
62 (19 en route) MK3
8,515 (753 en route) Infantry


Ciphra “Epsilon”:
20 Mr-2.2A
13 Mr-2.P
81 3 Sands Mk II Fighter
59 H-4G Phoenix Fighter
36 Little Bird UAV
1,286 Elite infantry
142 Heavy Infantry
312 Infantry
62 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
21 Chariot Medic MBT
31 Chariot Mortar SPG
14 Flea Mech
41 MCC-4 Eclipse Mech
13 Mr-2.T
12 Mr-2.F
37 UH-1 Falcon

NOTE: losses with (en route) or (prior to drop) are included in the first number, a total lose.

Also, this is only 1/2 of the CR. Part 2 is not done yet

And finally, would it be okay if I put up a map of the fighting? Just to show what happened in a more visual way.

A map would be fine, and I have no complaints with how this turned out.
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| December 17, 2013, 1:02 am
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Quoting Jack K
In this engagement of the Ciphra/Conglomerate war, Conglomerate heavy transports, under heavy fighter escort flew from bases in Conglomerate, over the U.I.S., to territory 130. Here the Conglomerate force, referred to here as “Cargo”, meet Ciphra’s Epsilon force. The primarily ground based Ciphran force did what it could to ward of the Conglomerate aircraft. Several Conglomerate transports were shot down, but the fighter escorts did their job. The Conglomerate transports then airdropped a massive ground force over Ciphran territory. As the transports headed home, several more were downed. Once landed, the ground forces engaged in a fierce jungle battle. Both armies came well prepared with light, mobile units. In the end, despite Ciphra’s best efforts, Conglomerate forces overcame them. Ciphran forces moved to a safe distance from the Conglomerate strike force and dug in for a defensive. In the end, it was a numbers game.


Conglomerate “Cargo”:
32 (20 prior to drop) Globe Master IV
38 (23 prior to drop) CL-125 Titan
31 Specter UAV
26 Phoenix UAV
33 Valkyrie UAV
37 (12 en route) Vanguard Mech
46 (15 en route) LAV
62 (19 en route) MK3
8,515 (753 en route) Infantry


Ciphra “Epsilon”:
20 Mr-2.2A
13 Mr-2.P
81 3 Sands Mk II Fighter
59 H-4G Phoenix Fighter
36 Little Bird UAV
1,286 Elite infantry
142 Heavy Infantry
312 Infantry
62 Grenadier Heavy Assault Mech
21 Chariot Medic MBT
31 Chariot Mortar SPG
14 Flea Mech
41 MCC-4 Eclipse Mech
13 Mr-2.T
12 Mr-2.F
37 UH-1 Falcon

NOTE: losses with (en route) or (prior to drop) are included in the first number, a total lose.

Also, this is only 1/2 of the CR. Part 2 is not done yet

And finally, would it be okay if I put up a map of the fighting? Just to show what happened in a more visual way.

Only one problem, epsilon was not even in that area (at least 150 miles away), assuming that when you say they flew to 130 they would encounter mu on land and rho in the skies (also epsilon does have aircraft) Also, i dont agree with the heavy losses on my side due to what i said my strategy would be, but that might have been forces outside of my control. (2 to 1 losses with ground vehicles, although i think this has something to do with them attacking the wrong force and significantly outnumbering me)
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| December 17, 2013, 7:24 am
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Only one problem, epsilon was not even in that area (at least 150 miles away), assuming that when you say they flew to 130 they would encounter mu on land and rho in the skies (also epsilon does have aircraft) Also, i dont agree with the heavy losses on my side due to what i said my strategy would be, but that might have been forces outside of my control. (2 to 1 losses with ground vehicles, although i think this has something to do with them attacking the wrong force and significantly outnumbering me)

You took heavy vehicle losses while I took large infantry losses so it sort of balances out, especially since my force was primarily heavy infantry.
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| December 17, 2013, 1:01 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
You took heavy vehicle losses while I took large infantry losses so it sort of balances out, especially since my force was primarily heavy infantry.
YEAH, I GUESS IT SORT OF DOES, EITHER WAY IT WASNT EPSILON THEY WHERE FIGHTING BUT MU SO THE RESULTS SHOULD BE DIFFERENT.
ANYWAYS, MY FRIEND DID SOMETHING TO MY COMPUTER WHERE HE LOCKED THE CAPS KEY ON AND DISABLED THE SHIFT KEY AND CAPS KEY, ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX/ TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF SENSE PRESSING IT DOESN'T WORK.
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| December 17, 2013, 2:35 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Matthew McCall
You took heavy vehicle losses while I took large infantry losses so it sort of balances out, especially since my force was primarily heavy infantry.
YEAH, I GUESS IT SORT OF DOES, EITHER WAY IT WASNT EPSILON THEY WHERE FIGHTING BUT MU SO THE RESULTS SHOULD BE DIFFERENT.
ANYWAYS, MY FRIEND DID SOMETHING TO MY COMPUTER WHERE HE LOCKED THE CAPS KEY ON AND DISABLED THE SHIFT KEY AND CAPS KEY, ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX/ TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF SENSE PRESSING IT DOESN'T WORK.

I'm sorry, I have no idea how to fix this type of issue.
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| December 17, 2013, 4:44 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm sorry, I have no idea how to fix this type of issue.
WELL LETS HOPE I CAN FIGURE IT OUT/CONVINCE HIM TO FIX IT

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| December 17, 2013, 5:23 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm sorry, I have no idea how to fix this type of issue.
WELL LETS HOPE I CAN FIGURE IT OUT/CONVINCE HIM TO FIX IT

lol
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| December 17, 2013, 5:37 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm sorry, I have no idea how to fix this type of issue.
WELL LETS HOPE I CAN FIGURE IT OUT/CONVINCE HIM TO FIX IT

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? :DDD
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| December 17, 2013, 5:41 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? :DDD

TIS NOT FUNNY
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| December 17, 2013, 5:44 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Only one problem, epsilon was not even in that area (at least 150 miles away), assuming that when you say they flew to 130 they would encounter mu on land and rho in the skies (also epsilon does have aircraft)

Well then I interpreted your plan wrong. I was under the impression Epsilon was in the area. Mu remained dormant in their bunkers since I thought you meant they would only attack if directly attacked. Also, Rho was responding to a far larger threat elsewhere (trust me far bigger)

If I read it wrong, email me

Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Also, i dont agree with the heavy losses on my side due to what i said my strategy would be, but that might have been forces outside of my control. (2 to 1 losses with ground vehicles, although i think this has something to do with them attacking the wrong force and significantly outnumbering me)

Well he had a huge force and he had air superiority. He had very few of some units (less than 100 of most) so that's another thing.
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| December 17, 2013, 6:00 pm
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Quoting Jack K


Quoting Daniel Bozarth

Any chance you are close to finishing how my main assault turned out?

Anyway, Kenyon and Wolf, I've decided how the first week has turned out, I had to do some research on how low yield underground explosions work but I'm now confident that I understand how they would work.
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| December 17, 2013, 6:18 pm
THIS IS TYPO!
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| December 17, 2013, 6:20 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Any chance you are close to finishing how my main assault turned out?

I'm about 1/3 of the way through. You cause me much pain with your huge military and complex strategy. Also, I sent you an email with a question, please check it.
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| December 17, 2013, 6:45 pm
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Quoting Jack K
I'm about 1/3 of the way through. You cause me much pain with your huge military and complex strategy. Also, I sent you an email with a question, please check it.
complex strategy, well i guess it is for time to stop being simple with my plans

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| December 17, 2013, 6:47 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
complex strategy, well i guess it is for time to stop being simple with my plans

No, no, no. Why can't you all just say "march and shoot"? It would make my life so much easier!

No, but really do what you want, it'll just take more time.
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| December 17, 2013, 6:50 pm
also map
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99412649@N02/11426592294/
This is so far, it may change later
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| December 17, 2013, 7:09 pm
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Quoting Jack K
also map
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99412649@N02/11426592294/
This is so far, it may change later

Confusion about omicrons position, i meant the 188 and 89 channel, not the one in the middle of my country , i thought the text map i sent you clarifies that, sorry if i did not clarify it enough
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| December 17, 2013, 7:14 pm
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Quoting Jack K
No, no, no. Why can't you all just say "march and shoot"? It would make my life so much easier!

No, but really do what you want, it'll just take more time.

Umm... is there a reason why my navy's route is a darker color and doesn't appear to have reached shore. DX
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| December 17, 2013, 7:16 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Umm... is there a reason why my navy's route is a darker color and doesn't appear to have reached shore. DX
Im guessing this was a rough draft, due to epsilon still being on the map.
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| December 17, 2013, 7:19 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Matthew McCall
Umm... is there a reason why my navy's route is a darker color and doesn't appear to have reached shore. DX
Im guessing this was a rough draft, due to epsilon still being on the map.

Agreed, there's also a strange utter lack of anything happening on the east side of the map, so I'll assume that this was just a prototype.
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| December 17, 2013, 7:25 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Confusion about omicrons position, i meant the 188 and 89 channel, not the one in the middle of my country , i thought the text map i sent you clarifies that, sorry if i did not clarify it enough

My computer did something weird with that map so I'll fix that with the final draft of the CR.
EDIT: 188, 189, are you sure? That's pretty far north
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| December 17, 2013, 8:20 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Agreed, there's also a strange utter lack of anything happening on the east side of the map, so I'll assume that this was just a prototype.

Well, there are some in darker colors just so paths are easier to distinguish. As for not reaching the shore don't worry, it did. And in the east, no action took place there and I did not divulge the location of forces there. And yes, this is a prototype subject to change
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| December 17, 2013, 8:21 pm
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Quoting Jack K
Well, there are some in darker colors just so paths are easier to distinguish. As for not reaching the shore don't worry, it did. And in the east, no action took place there and I did not divulge the location of forces there. And yes, this is a prototype subject to change

I'm pretty sure I told my forces in the east to attack Daniel's east coast region if he wasn't sending stuff at Traxxus...
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| December 17, 2013, 8:23 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm pretty sure I told my forces in the east to attack Daniel's east coast region if he wasn't sending stuff at Traxxus...

I interpreted your "if we can fight that far without being blocked" as to attack if there was a good chance of passage without significant conflict. He planted a force there and I used my interpretation assume you would hold position.

If I looked at that wrong, then my mistake.
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| December 17, 2013, 8:28 pm
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Quoting Jack K
I interpreted your "if we can fight that far without being blocked" as to attack if there was a good chance of passage without significant conflict. He planted a force there and I used my interpretation assume you would hold position.

If I looked at that wrong, then my mistake.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but the idea was that my Traxxus forces were in defense mode by default, but if no enemy attack materialized they would sally out and attack enemy forces all the way up to Daniel's coastal area.
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| December 17, 2013, 8:47 pm
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Quoting Jack K
My computer did something weird with that map so I'll fix that with the final draft of the CR.
EDIT: 188, 189, are you sure? That's pretty far north
sorry, 117 and 89 the channel their

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| December 17, 2013, 9:01 pm
Okay, this is the first part of the naval battle. I'm doing this part in sections since the whole things is going to be very long.

In this battle of the Conglomerate/Ciphra War, a large, amphibious Conglomerate invasion force came up to land at 129. A small Conglomerate scout part encountered the surface element of Ciphran force “Omnicron”. After a short engagement, the scout party attempted to contact the main force. However, Ciphran jamming efforts paid off and only incoherent gibberish came through. The UAVs of the party did manage to get some images through. The Conglomerate naval force decided to proceed cautiously. The lead ships picked up part of the Ciphran force and engaged. A large naval battle ensued in which the larger Conglomerate force prevailed. The Ciphran force contacted land forces warning of an imminent assault. The Conglomerate transport ships escaped largely unharmed due to their heavy escort. The Ciphran force moved closer to the Ciphran mainland to provide defense from invasion and laying mines along the way.

Ciphra

1 damaged Aquamarine Sub
3 lost and 1 damaged Otter Class Support Ship
12 lost Water Skimmer PT Boat
14 lost water Skimmer PT Minelayer
1 lost and 1 damaged Oklahoma Class Minelayer

Conglomerate

1lost and 1 damaged ORCA class nuclear fast attack submarine
11 lost Silentium class littoral combat ship
31 lost Sparrow UAV
1 damaged Ironclad
1 lost Capitalis class destroyer
2 lost Redeo class Guided missile Cruiser

the rest will come soon
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