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Black Lotus idea RUINED
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ADMINS! USING MY IDEA!?!? THAT'S A NO NO!!!! I was plotting an idea, (I wasn't even done with it, and YES I WAS going to use it.) and it was a secret organization called the black Lotus, an organization of Assassins.. And eventually I was going to have them kill the evil High King, and a new and better high king would take his place. I know, you wanted something to go with the challenge, and my idea seemed great, so you decided to use it? ... And you blew my idea. Thanks admins, for once I'm disappointed in you. Just do whatever now.
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| October 1, 2013, 9:04 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
ADMINS! USING MY IDEA!?!? THAT'S A NO NO!!!! I was plotting an idea, (I wasn't even done with it, and YES I WAS going to use it.) and it was a secret organization called the black Lotus, an organization of Assassins.. And eventually I was going to have them kill the evil High King, and a new and better high king would take his place. I know, you wanted something to go with the challenge, and my idea seemed great, so you decided to use it? ... And you blew my idea. Thanks admins, for once I'm disappointed in you. Just do whatever now.

Wha? It's not a loss! I think this could work perfectly actually:

1. People get all hyped and come up with the weirdest things about the Black Lotus

2. The next challenge shows it's all a fake.....

3. Or is it? When you eventually decide to do the plot of the Black Lotus, the true information comes up and people are all confused again, but then makes sense after 2 challenges.



I think it could work.
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| October 1, 2013, 9:13 pm
Quoting Freeling .
ADMINS! USING MY IDEA!?!? THAT'S A NO NO!!!! I was plotting an idea, (I wasn't even done with it, and YES I WAS going to use it.) and it was a secret organization called the black Lotus, an organization of Assassins.. And eventually I was going to have them kill the evil High King, and a new and better high king would take his place. I know, you wanted something to go with the challenge, and my idea seemed great, so you decided to use it? ... And you blew my idea. Thanks admins, for once I'm disappointed in you. Just do whatever now.

Hold on a second!
Yes, I forgot the guidelines you gave me when you said I could take over the Black Lotus storyline a couple months ago:
Quoting Freeling ++
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
While you're around, do you have any ideas about the Black Lotus assassins and the death of the high king? I wanted to continue that line of the story, but I don't know if you have something in mind.
Actually you might as well continue. It needs to be like this. The assassin's have held a council, (You can say someone hired them or whatever.) And they are going to kill the High King, resulting in the king's next oldest brother taking over the throne. His Brother is honest, and will do his best to control Mythron, but however, he still hates the Rainosians, (Like every other Mythronian).. Blah blah blah. Feel free to make it interesting, it just needs to follow on those lines "Somewhat" .

...but you DID explicitly approve the challenge drafts.
Quoting Freeling .
Sounds great. Do it. But this is making me stressed right now. I'm not even done with my UCMA! GOTTA GO BUILD NOW!

I'm sorry that your idea didn't come out as planned, but I don't see that it's reasonable to get so angry with me (since I was the one who wrote the challenge). We can fix it; say what you would like to happen from this point forward and I will do my best to repair everything.
Your doting, hard-working servant,
Gilbert Despathens
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| October 1, 2013, 9:16 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
YOU SAID I COULD DO WHAT I WANTED WITH IT! SO I DID! Sorry, I wouldn't have done anything if I knew you were still using it - but now it's a phenomenon in the main group.

Yeah, it's going (from what most see) great.

What about the compromise I mentioned above?
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| October 1, 2013, 9:18 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Fortunately, it looks like we can salvage this despite my blunder. There is FNJ's idea, and then this one:
The original Black Lotus (Freeling's) was a noble order founded to destroy corruption in the Mythronian Empire with the amazing assassin skills of its members. It remained in the shadows throughout the war with Rainos, because it did not want to weaken Mythron in the face of the barbarian threat, but someone who knew a little bit about the order decided to use its name to launch the Black Lotus of the current challenge. The new Black Lotus, to the alarm of its predecessor, is determined to kill the High King when Mythron is at its weakest, striking the final blow to topple the kingdom. From here we can do... I don't know what, have the new Black Lotus fall to bits in the next UC or two as every faction turns against it, including the Outlaws and the original BL?

I understand that I might not deserve the honor of putting forth new ideas after my blunder, so I will accept whatever you choose to do with this situation. Whatever is decided, I am sure that it will do good in the story for months to come.

I am not sure where we could go from here. I have been in class all morning and I am working on school and doing the Enalica thing as well. I think by the end of the day I should have Enalica fixed up and ready for the official go-ahead from Freeling and CO. Also I intend to read all of what you guys have said on the Black Lotus so I can maybe help some.
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| October 1, 2013, 11:41 pm
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I feel completely BETRAYED! I'm the faction leader of the outlaws you went and put a secret organization in my territory without my approval! I am very upset. I'm going to lead my outlaws and utter destory Black Lotus, if you don't mind.
If you want secret organization put it in your factions, otherwise you need to ask permission first!
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| October 2, 2013, 6:31 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
I feel completely BETRAYED! I'm the faction leader of the outlaws you went and put a secret organization in my territory without my approval! I am very upset. I'm going to lead my outlaws and utter destory Black Lotus, if you don't mind.
If you want secret organization put it in your factions, otherwise you need to ask permission first!

I am sorry for that. When I mentioned it in the prototype challenges, no one said it would be a problem - Freeling gave it an all-clear without reading it and you commented below the drafts, saying something about how you would like Mythron to found an outpost - so I had no reason to think that I would upset anyone. Unfortunately, the challenge has been posted in the main group, and it might be tricky to destroy the Black Lotus this month. Fortunately, the Black Lotus is secretive enough that it could go anywhere after the events of the UC. If you really want to get rid of it - or at least the possible impostors who are riling up your outlaws - you could "investigate" its plans for now and, toward the end of the UC, discredit it, causing its followers to leave it and the leaders to flee.
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| October 2, 2013, 8:15 am
My plan for resolving this mess is to continue the challenge as its description says. However, a few of the admins who have reason to investigate the Black Lotus and/or destroy it (Freeling, whose plan was ruined; the Object of Legend in defense of the Outlaw faction, and FNJ because that's part of his challenge description) can find out its deeper secrets during the course of the month in their adventures, kind of like how the GoH has a story team that has the important information. From there, they can decide how they want to fight the Lotus, and, in the challenge finale/results, the organization can kill (or fail to kill) the high king shortly before it is wiped out (or temporarily vanquished) by a combined team.
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| October 2, 2013, 8:27 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
My plan for resolving this mess is to continue the challenge as its description says. However, a few of the admins who have reason to investigate the Black Lotus and/or destroy it (Freeling, whose plan was ruined; the Object of Legend in defense of the Outlaw faction, and FNJ because that's part of his challenge description) can find out its deeper secrets during the course of the month in their adventures, kind of like how the GoH has a story team that has the important information. From there, they can decide how they want to fight the Lotus, and, in the challenge finale/results, the organization can kill (or fail to kill) the high king shortly before it is wiped out (or temporarily vanquished) by a combined team.

Seems like the most efficient way to fix this. Though it will require a lot of free builds.
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| October 2, 2013, 8:30 am
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Guys, Gilbert acted as anyone else would - he got approval that he saw, and now people voice what they thought. Now that it is already out there, let's follow his plan to fix what you guys originally thought. Thanks. Where else could you find such a dedicated admin who came up with all of the challenges of all of the different scenarios? We admins normally don't write something accidentally, so every word in things we say in a challenge or elsewhere is probably important and worth reading.

~FNJ
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| October 2, 2013, 10:55 am
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Guys, Gilbert acted as anyone else would - he got approval that he saw, and now people voice what they thought. Now that it is already out there, let's follow his plan to fix what you guys originally thought. Thanks. Where else could you find such a dedicated admin who came up with all of the challenges of all of the different scenarios? We admins normally don't write something accidentally, so every word in things we say in a challenge or elsewhere is probably important and worth reading.

~FNJ

Thank you.
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| October 2, 2013, 10:59 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I think we need to nail down what Black Lotus is and what we're going to do with it. If we have a concrete plan laid out we can better tie it into the story and not have to worry about it while we make challenges in the meantime. This can be something good for the normal members. I think Freeling should have the first and last say in the matter but lets get some ideas.

My idea #1-
Black Lotus is a group of people in Mythron who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new royal family (Or a republic or something). After Rainos broke away they decided they need to put their plans into action, and are looking for outlaws to use to do their dirty work.

My idea #2 (This probably won't go over well but I'm okay with that)-
Black Lotus is actually a Mythronian organization designed to destroy the outlaws central leadership, but they operate under the cover story of trying to kill the high king in order to get prominent outlaws into their group and eliminate them.

My idea #3-
They're just a highly train group of assassins out to destroy Mythron.
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| October 2, 2013, 12:48 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend

I like idea 1 the most
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| October 2, 2013, 12:55 pm
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Quoting Caleb R
Quoting The Object of Legend

I like idea 1 the most

Agreed!
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| October 2, 2013, 12:57 pm
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I'm good with any of those (1 sounds the coolest though) but I'd say Freeling decides.
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| October 2, 2013, 1:06 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend

I actually like the first one best, because it was the closest to what I had in mind.
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| October 2, 2013, 1:24 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Freeling gave it an all-clear without reading it

Yeah, I'm on vacation... So.... Yeah. Sorry.
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| October 2, 2013, 1:25 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
I actually like the first one best, because it was the closest to what I had in mind.
Is there anything you'd like to add or change?

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| October 2, 2013, 1:25 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Freeling .
I actually like the first one best, because it was the closest to what I had in mind.
Is there anything you'd like to add or change?

I don't guess. I don't know. If you don't like the idea of the Black Lotus, you can hunt them down and disband their order, AFTER they kill the high king. (Just throwing ideas out)
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| October 2, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
I don't guess. I don't know. If you don't like the idea of the Black Lotus, you can hunt them down and disband their order, AFTER they kill the high king. (Just throwing ideas out)
Yes, yes, that's good. The high king goes and then the organization turns on the outlaws. They take out the outlaw coordinate but then my character takes his place and hunts down Black Lotus. How about that?
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| October 2, 2013, 1:42 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Freeling .
I don't guess. I don't know. If you don't like the idea of the Black Lotus, you can hunt them down and disband their order, AFTER they kill the high king. (Just throwing ideas out)
Yes, yes, that's good. The high king goes and then the organization turns on the outlaws. They take out the outlaw coordinate but then my character takes his place and hunts down Black Lotus. How about that?

Alright.
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| October 2, 2013, 1:46 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Freeling .
I don't guess. I don't know. If you don't like the idea of the Black Lotus, you can hunt them down and disband their order, AFTER they kill the high king. (Just throwing ideas out)
Yes, yes, that's good. The high king goes and then the organization turns on the outlaws. They take out the outlaw coordinate but then my character takes his place and hunts down Black Lotus. How about that?

Could I somehow join you in hunting them down? Like a collab of somesort?
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| October 2, 2013, 1:55 pm
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I'm thinking that we admins could help with the storyline and facts of the land through our builds (like Gilbert said here)
Quoting Gilbert kind of like how the GoH has a story team that has the important information.

We could plan events, and then we could build them. Thus making sure that our facts/storyline match up in terms of time and facts.
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| October 2, 2013, 1:57 pm
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*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.3

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.

~Outcome~
1. High king eliminated
2. Black lotus eliminated
3. Better government for Mythron
4. Sozo becomes the outlaw coordinator

~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Freeling) A-2. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Feeling) B-3. Freeling escapes Black Lotus
(Me) B-4. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Me, DTFNJ) C-5. Team up to stop Black Lotus
(Me, DTFNJ, Freeling) C-6,7, and 8. Black Lotus destroyed
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| October 2, 2013, 2:07 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
We could plan events, and then we could build them. Thus making sure that our facts/storyline match up in terms of time and facts.
Exactly, this whole Black Lotus thing will take a number of builds.

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| October 2, 2013, 2:13 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend

Sounds great!
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| October 2, 2013, 2:23 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend

I was going to have my love kill the high king...could I/she be involved as well?
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| October 2, 2013, 2:50 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
I was going to have my love kill the high king...could I/she be involved as well?
"Your love" could join Black Lotus, and be in on the assassination. Then you could have her leave with your character before the organization turns against the outlaws. OR you could have her stay with Black Lotus all the way to the end and get killed by my outlaws if you need to get rid of her.
Maybe you could build the assassination when that time comes.

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| October 2, 2013, 2:58 pm
Quoting Brick Boy
I was going to have my love kill the high king...could I/she be involved as well?

I'm not sure if any actual characters we are using should be involved in the murder...
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| October 2, 2013, 3:00 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Brick Boy
I was going to have my love kill the high king...could I/she be involved as well?
"Your love" could join Black Lotus, and be in on the assassination. Then you could have her leave with your character before the organization turns against the outlaws. OR you could have her stay with Black Lotus all the way to the end and get killed by my outlaws if you need to get rid of her.
Maybe you could build the assassination when that time comes.

But for it to work for me, at least....I have to kill her. Maybe she could be trying to assassinate the king, and I'm his body guard;Then once I kill her you hunt down the rest of the Black Lotus?
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| October 2, 2013, 3:02 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
But for it to work for me, at least....I have to kill her. Maybe she could be trying to assassinate the king, and I'm his body guard;Then once I kill her you hunt down the rest of the Black Lotus?
There are a number of outlaws that are working for Black Lotus, you can kill her, but the others will complete the mission then turn against the outlaws and finally be wiped out after they take down the coordinator.

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| October 2, 2013, 3:06 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
I have to kill her.

KILL YOUR TRUE LOVE? That's some pretty bad romance right there.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:09 pm
Quoting Freeling .
KILL YOUR TRUE LOVE? That's some pretty bad romance right there.

Obviously not his primary true love... I'm not going to call him Romeo anymore.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:14 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
Do you want to join Black Lotus? When they turn against the outlaws you could somehow escape from them. After they bring down the coordinator you could explain that Black Lotus had been planning to do so and then help the new coordinator track them down.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:15 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Obviously not his primary true love... I'm not going to call him Romeo anymore.

Maybe he got made fun of too much, so he decided to kill her off.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:15 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Freeling .
Do you want to join Black Lotus? When they turn against the outlaws you could somehow escape from them. After they bring down the coordinator you could explain that Black Lotus had been planning to do so and then help the new coordinator track them down.

Yus! Sounds great.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:17 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
Yus! Sounds great.
Cool! Now there's a lot of us building stuff interconnected with each other, we need a timeframe to get this done.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:20 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
Maybe he got made fun of too much, so he decided to kill her off.

Actually my ruff story line is that my devastation from killing her would cause me to join the outlaws...becoming a man with so much regret and hatred in his heart. But My story line has somewhat turned away from that now.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:30 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Freeling .
Yus! Sounds great.
Cool! Now there's a lot of us building stuff interconnected with each other, we need a timeframe to get this done.

Sounds like it should take around 1-2 months to still fit with other events...
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| October 2, 2013, 3:31 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
Actually my ruff story line is that my devastation from killing her would cause me to join the outlaws...becoming a man with so much regret and hatred in his heart. But My story line has somewhat turned away from that now.

You should stay with mythron.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:32 pm
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~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Freeling) B-2. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Feeling) C-3. Freeling escapes Black Lotus
(Me) C-4. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Me, DTFNJ, Freeling) D-5,6, and 7. Black Lotus destroyed!

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| October 2, 2013, 3:33 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
You should stay with mythron.

Yeah....so plan too needs to take action!
Maybe she doesn't have to be the leader of Black Lotus..but a general!
And after the true plan to kill the high kings is revealed she changes to Mythron:D
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| October 2, 2013, 3:33 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Brick Boy
But for it to work for me, at least....I have to kill her. Maybe she could be trying to assassinate the king, and I'm his body guard;Then once I kill her you hunt down the rest of the Black Lotus?
There are a number of outlaws that are working for Black Lotus, you can kill her, but the others will complete the mission then turn against the outlaws and finally be wiped out after they take down the coordinator.

So far there are two Outlaws, a Nerogue, and a Mythronian in on the plot... Why don't we set the BL up as a universal enemy and add a Rainosian and an Enalican to the plot as well? It doesn't have to be a player; an NPC would be fine.
I'm glad to see that the disaster isn't turning out to be so bad after all, and that no one seems to be angry with me. Can I throw out a couple ideas real quick?

1. What if there are the BLs - one is the Mythronian group we're fighting in the challenge that wants to kill the king AND topple the Outlaws (ticking off every other faction in the process), and the second is a tougher, more secretive group with its own agenda that was the model for the current one? That would give us a lead for future storylines in months to come, like in the spring, and it would leave some oh-so-fun secrets for everyone to guess at in the mean time.

2. This is more important idea of the two, and it says we should keep this under wraps. "Mystery" is practically a synonym for "fascinating," and I think we've hit storyline gold here. The less we tell, the more thrilling it will be for everyone. When we say exactly what something is, it's more fun for us to make it up than it is for everyone else to follow it, but with this mystery I think that everyone gets a buzz.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:33 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy kills "his love"
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Feeling) C-4. Freeling escapes Black Lotus
(Me) C-5. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Me, DTFNJ, Freeling) D-6,7, and 8. Black Lotus destroyed!

I'm good with this. xD
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| October 2, 2013, 3:36 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
I'm good with this. xD

I'm not! I don not want to kill her anymore! I like my variation better.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:37 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
I'm good with this. xD
Updated it, tell me if it makes sense.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:38 pm
Quoting Brick Boy
Actually my ruff story line is that my devastation from killing her would cause me to join the outlaws...becoming a man with so much regret and hatred in his heart. But My story line has somewhat turned away from that now.

Thank goodness! How would you like to be the High King instead?

At least, you should add a character for the new one and probably handle the climax of this Lotus drama as well, seeing as your lover is going to be the one with the knife. Even if your character wouldn't be a good candidate for the throne, then you could add a second character like I did for King Bartok. Since you're the faction leader, you should probably be in charge of the Mythronian king.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:39 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
Yeah....so plan too needs to take action!
Maybe she doesn't have to be the leader of Black Lotus..but a general!
And after the true plan to kill the high kings is revealed she changes to Mythron:D
She is definitely NOT the leader! Why don't we keep her out of Black Lotus? I'll take you off the timeline.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:39 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
I'm not! I don not want to kill her anymore! I like my variation better.

Simple solution - someone captured your love who looks almost exactly like her, you don't understand why she is acting the way she is, and you're forced to kill you "love" only to find later that your love still lives - she tells you the story how she was captured blah blah blah.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:43 pm
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*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.7

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.

~Outcome~
1. High king eliminated
2. Black Lotus eliminated
3. Better government for Mythron
4. Sozo becomes the outlaw coordinator

~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

A= Pre assassination
B= During assassination
C= Directly afterward
D= Coordinator assassination
E= Conclussion

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy fails to protect the king
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert and other Rainosians Celebrate and they plan to break the camp of Mythron on the Eastern Boarder. Gilbert goes to Worsan to contact Caleb.
(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to rally the Enalicans to try and break the line of supplies from Mythron to Rainos
(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information
(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(FNJ & Object) D-8. Team up to tack down Black Lotus
(Object) E-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them!
(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus.
(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. The political leaders in Mythron who controlled Black Lotus take over the government and install a powerful new King.

---We good now?
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| October 2, 2013, 3:47 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy kills "his love"
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Feeling) C-4. Freeling escapes Black Lotus
(Me) C-5. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Me, DTFNJ, Freeling) D-6,7, and 8. Black Lotus destroyed!

I think that you should time this a little more carefully. No offense, but the climax (the High King's death) is one of the first MOCs. You and FNJ should do some investigating first - build it up a little. I also see that this is timed to stretch through the November UC, but the Black Lotus won't be the main focus after their plot is uncovered - the builds from time C onwards will have to be demoted to a clean-up operation if they are stretched to that length. I'm sorry, but those are the mechanics of storytelling.

On the other hand, you could time the conclusion so that Brick Boy's failed race to stop the assassination coincides with FNJ and the Object of Legend's destruction of the rest of the Black Lotus - that would be a dynamite ending, and leave the story fresh for November!
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| October 2, 2013, 3:50 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Brick Boy
Yeah....so plan too needs to take action!
Maybe she doesn't have to be the leader of Black Lotus..but a general!
And after the true plan to kill the high kings is revealed she changes to Mythron:D
She is definitely NOT the leader! Why don't we keep her out of Black Lotus? I'll take you off the timeline.

Okay... the game changes...
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| October 2, 2013, 3:52 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.5

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.

~Outcome~
1. High king eliminated
2. Black lotus eliminated
3. Better government for Mythron
4. Sozo becomes the outlaw coordinator

~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Freeling) A-2. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Feeling) B-3. Freeling escapes Black Lotus
(Me) B-4. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Me, DTFNJ) C-5. Team up to stop Black Lotus
(Me, DTFNJ, Freeling) C-6,7, and 8. Black Lotus destroyed

---We good?

Much better! But one question..if Mythron's government is going to be replaced...that means Mythron itself will be replaced! That doesn't boil over to well with me:( Also, I think that if the high king is assassinated it should be a like a ball or something. That way all the outlaws could be in disguise! And then all of a sudden, then attack! Taking the nobles hostage....and showing who's the new power in Mythron!

Or...Black Lotus could take the king prisoner and try to get money for him...but being outlaws plan to kill him anyway! An emergency force for Mythron uses their BEST of the BEST agents to take Lotus down! This could include George as well as myself. At the end of the day, the high king survives preventing the total collapse of Mythron:)
Sound good?
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| October 2, 2013, 3:57 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.5

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.

~Outcome~
1. High king eliminated
2. Black lotus eliminated
3. Better government for Mythron
4. Sozo becomes the outlaw coordinator

~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Freeling) A-2. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Feeling) B-3. Freeling escapes Black Lotus
(Me) B-4. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Me, DTFNJ) C-5. Team up to stop Black Lotus
(Me, DTFNJ, Freeling) C-6,7, and 8. Black Lotus destroyed

---We good?

The timing won't work, I'm afraid. Storytelling mechanics are against you - you can't put the climax (the assassination) at the beginning. What WILL work is if you and FNJ start the sequence out with an investigation and then race to stop the Black Lotus when you uncover the plan. You get there too late to save the High King, but you do manage to shatter the organization in battle or by capturing/killing most of its inner council immediately after the event. I would suggest adding Brick Boy so Mythron can have a say in the death of its own leader, but that part's up to you.
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| October 2, 2013, 3:57 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
That would be a dynamite ending, and leave the story fresh for November!
I see your point but that's not easy to fix.

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| October 2, 2013, 3:58 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
The timing won't work, I'm afraid. Storytelling mechanics are against you - you can't put the climax (the assassination) at the beginning. What WILL work is if you and FNJ start the sequence out with an investigation and then race to stop the Black Lotus when you uncover the plan. You get there too late to save the High King, but you do manage to shatter the organization in battle or by capturing/killing most of its inner council immediately after the event. I would suggest adding Brick Boy so Mythron can have a say in the death of its own leader, but that part's up to you.
Humm... Let me try to make sense of this whole thing.

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| October 2, 2013, 4:00 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend

Before you do anything...stop! I really don't like the idea of the high king being killed! See my other idea in my previous comment!
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| October 2, 2013, 4:01 pm
Quoting Brick Boy
Much better! But one question..if Mythron's government is going to be replaced...that means Mythron itself will be replaced! That doesn't boil over to well with me:( Also, I think that if the high king is assassinated it should be a like a ball or something. That way all the outlaws could be in disguise! And then all of a sudden, then attack! Taking the nobles hostage....and showing who's the new power in Mythron!

Or...Black Lotus could take the king prisoner and try to get money for him...but being outlaws plan to kill him anyway! An emergency force for Mythron uses their BEST of the BEST agents to take Lotus down! This could include George as well as myself. At the end of the day, the high king survives preventing the total collapse of Mythron:)
Sound good?

I agree that Mythron needs to be involved! I do think, however, that a hostage situation isn't the best for the challenge - assassination seems to be the minimum requirement here.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:01 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I agree that Mythron needs to be involved! I do think, however, that a hostage situation isn't the best for the challenge - assassination seems to be the minimum requirement here.

But how in the world our a bunch of outlaws going to assassinate the most powerful person in this "world???" I still don't like his death! Unless there's a relative to take his place...according to Freeling...the king is middle aged and looks like he could survive some punishment..
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| October 2, 2013, 4:04 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
The timing won't work, I'm afraid. Storytelling mechanics are against you - you can't put the climax (the assassination) at the beginning. What WILL work is if you and FNJ start the sequence out with an investigation and then race to stop the Black Lotus when you uncover the plan. You get there too late to save the High King, but you do manage to shatter the organization in battle or by capturing/killing most of its inner council immediately after the event. I would suggest adding Brick Boy so Mythron can have a say in the death of its own leader, but that part's up to you.
Humm... Let me try to make sense of this whole thing.

A plan with a snap ending:

Early October - Freeling joins the Black Lotus
Mid-Late October - Sozo and Darvanian investigate the Black Lotus, then find secret plans which they do not disclose.
Late October - The High King is killed and Sozo and Darvanian team up with Brick Boy to destroy the Black Lotus in a single dramatic battle in Reedus.

(I'm not sure what Freeling intends to do after he joins)
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| October 2, 2013, 4:05 pm
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Let's see if I can add in Rainos and Enalica

I assume that this will be starting in November?
Note: Make sure no one else joins the Black Lotus!


(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) A-2. Brick Boy kills "his love"
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Gilbert) B-4. Gilbert and other Rainosians Celebrate and they plan to break the camp of Mythron on the Eastern Boarder. Gilbert goes to Worsan to contact Caleb.
(Caleb) B-5. Agrees to rally the Enalicans to try and break the line of supplies from Mythron to Rainos.
(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus who tries to kill all of the Outlaws who helped do their "dirty work."
(FNJ) C-7. He and a team of other Nerogueian spys realize the fragility of Mythron and decide to split up and search for the Black Lotus. FNJ runs into Sozo and they compare strategies.
(Object) C-8. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Object) D-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them!
(FNJ) D-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(Freeling) D-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus.
(Gilbert and Caleb)C-D During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. Mythron has a better King than before, and the King is trying to bring the distraught Mythron back under control now that the Black Lotus has been eliminated.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:05 pm
Quoting Brick Boy
But how in the world our a bunch of outlaws going to assassinate the most powerful person in this "world???" I still don't like his death! Unless there's a relative to take his place...according to Freeling...the king is middle aged and looks like he could survive some punishment..

There are relatives to take his place. He has two younger brothers, the oldest of whom is a good candidate for monarchy.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:06 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
But how in the world our a bunch of outlaws going to assassinate the most powerful person in this "world???" I still don't like his death! Unless there's a relative to take his place...according to Freeling...the king is middle aged and looks like he could survive some punishment..

Dude, he's an evil King. He is oblivious to the fact that his city is not well guarded. Though advisers try and help, he refuses to face reality.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:06 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy
But how in the world our a bunch of outlaws going to assassinate the most powerful person in this "world???" I still don't like his death! Unless there's a relative to take his place...according to Freeling...the king is middle aged and looks like he could survive some punishment..
Read the official story I made.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:07 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Dude, he's an evil King. He is oblivious to the fact that his city is not well guarded. Though advisers try and help, he refuses to face reality.


I was under the impression that the "evil" king ruled some 300 years ago!
And that a true and good king ruled the land now!
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| October 2, 2013, 4:09 pm
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Freeze!!!! I need a moment.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:09 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Let's see if I can add in Rainos and Enalica

I assume that this will be starting in November?
Note: Make sure no one else joins the Black Lotus!


(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) A-2. Brick Boy kills "his love"
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Gilbert) B-4. Gilbert and other Rainosians Celebrate and they plan to break the camp of Mythron on the Eastern Boarder. Gilbert goes to Worsan to contact Caleb.
(Caleb) B-5. Agrees to rally the Enalicans to try and break the line of supplies from Mythron to Rainos.
(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus who tries to kill all of the Outlaws who helped do their "dirty work."
(FNJ) C-7. He and a team of other Nerogueian spys realize the fragility of Mythron and decide to split up and search for the Black Lotus. FNJ runs into Sozo and they compare strategies.
(Object) C-8. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(Object) D-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them!
(FNJ) D-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(Freeling) D-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus.
(Gilbert and Caleb)C-D During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. Mythron has a better King than before, and the King is trying to bring the distraught Mythron back under control now that the Black Lotus has been eliminated.

A couple points:

First, the Black Lotus has been recruiting outer-circle troops from the outlaws. I don't know what Freeling's position is.

Second, I would be fine if Rainos was represented by an NPC wandering hero in someone's MOC who feels that the Black Lotus is a threat to everyone.

Third, I'm going to be in Worsan, not fighting the Mythronians. I will introduce a character who could be used in this Black Lotus saga.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:10 pm
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Quoting Brick Boy

I was under the impression that the "evil" king ruled some 300 years ago!
And that a true and good king ruled the land now!

Okay, not an evil King, but an ignorant one - one that is not doing well. Yes, the worst King was 300 yrs. ago (or something like that)


I'll freeze now.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:11 pm
Everyone freeze! OOL wants some time to think. Fingers on lips and let's get this done in an orderly fashion!
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| October 2, 2013, 4:12 pm
 Group admin 
Okay, let's wait to have Object put forth his thoughts from all of this
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| October 2, 2013, 4:13 pm
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Alright.... Take Brick Boy killing his true love out.... He apparently doesn't want to do that now. And I'm happy with the fact that I kill the High king.... Anyways, just reply to my comment when you get this sorted out, I'll be playing my guitar. ^.^
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| October 2, 2013, 4:16 pm
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(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy kills "his love"
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert and other Rainosians Celebrate and they plan to break the camp of Mythron on the Eastern Boarder. Gilbert goes to Worsan to contact Caleb.
(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to rally the Enalicans to try and break the line of supplies from Mythron to Rainos
(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information
(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(FNJ & Object) D-8. Team up to tack down Black Lotus
(Object) E-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them!
(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus.
(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. The political leaders in Mythron who controlled Black Lotus take over the government and install a powerful new King.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:18 pm
Everyone stay calm and let OOL moderate the discussion.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:20 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting The Object of Legend
What do you think of the new Timeline?

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| October 2, 2013, 4:22 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Everyone stay calm and let OOL moderate the discussion.

I'M BEING PERFECTLY CALM!!!!!
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| October 2, 2013, 4:23 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Everyone stay calm and let OOL moderate the discussion.
I posted a new timeline, see it?

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| October 2, 2013, 4:23 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting The Object of Legend
What do you think of the new Timeline?

Hush, old gilbert is trying to figure out what's going on.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:23 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Freeling .
I'M BEING PERFECTLY CALM!!!!!
Now I'm waiting on you!

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| October 2, 2013, 4:24 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Freeling .
I'M BEING PERFECTLY CALM!!!!!
Now I'm waiting on you!

For what? To approve of the timeline? I think it's perfect.... Except Brick boy doesn't want to kill his true love anymore.....
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| October 2, 2013, 4:25 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
For what? To approve of the timeline? I think it's perfect.... Except Brick boy doesn't want to kill his true love anymore.....
I can change that but then Brick boy won't have a spot in the story.

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| October 2, 2013, 4:27 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Freeling .
For what? To approve of the timeline? I think it's perfect.... Except Brick boy doesn't want to kill his true love anymore.....
I can change that but then Brick boy won't have a spot in the story.

Whatever he wants to do.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:28 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Brick Boy
How about you try to protect the high king but are overpowered and "your love" doesn't come into this one.
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| October 2, 2013, 4:29 pm
 Group admin 
*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.7

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.

~Outcome~
1. High king eliminated
2. Black Lotus eliminated
3. Better government for Mythron
4. Sozo becomes the outlaw coordinator

~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

A= Pre assassination
B= During assassination
C= Directly afterward
D= Coordinator assassination
E= Conclussion

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy fails to protect the king
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert and other Rainosians Celebrate and they plan to break the camp of Mythron on the Eastern Boarder. Gilbert goes to Worsan to contact Caleb.
(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to rally the Enalicans to try and break the line of supplies from Mythron to Rainos
(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information
(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(FNJ & Object) D-8. Team up to tack down Black Lotus
(Object) E-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them!
(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus.
(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. The political leaders in Mythron who controlled Black Lotus take over the government and install a powerful new King.

---We good now?
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| October 2, 2013, 4:40 pm
 Group admin 
I'm out of here!
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| October 2, 2013, 4:41 pm
 Group admin 
Listen! I WILL NOT KILL MY LOVE! I have decided NOT to kill my love!
It;s just plain wrong! Anyways...here's what I think.
1.Freeling joins the Black Lotus...quickly gaining absolute power over it because of his skill.

2.The councilmen of the Black Lotus that are in Mythronian government set up a ball...to supposedly take the king's mind of the hard going war right now. All the sub-kings of the other Mythronian cities will be there as well. Along with the usual high society folks.

3.The Black Lutos preps for their major stand against Mythron, Freeling get's together a small band of his elite men.

4.Meanwhile, David TFNJ and the object of legend investigate a ghostly trail left by the Black Lotus. Only to finally discover their true plans.
Once they do so, they report back to me.

5.I prep the security for the ball, Hiring several nobles such as the famed George and his gang among others.

6.The night of the ball approaches, I'm escorted into the ball room ahead of the king to make sure everything is safe.

7.The evening progresses and George slightly remembers the face of Freeling. They go out to the court yard where Freeling manages to subdue George.

8.A mysterious wine is served to the king's protecters, and it's supposedly the best in the world! Everybody drinks it with delight...and about 1 hour later dye...except for the king! He simply received a lesser potion.

9.With the king off edge...the Black Lotus reveals themselves! David TFNJ, The Object of legend, Myself, among other random Mythron's and soldiers make a final stand to protect the king. A huge battle breaks out in the ball room! Heavy casualties ensue!

10.As the defenders our picked off, Freeling makes his daring strike! I engage him in a dual and he dominates me! Wounding me terribly, then cutting off the kings head right in my face!

11.As the remains of the Black Lotus quickly pull out, I catch a glimpse of My love helping them! As the Black Lotus tries to leave, Outlaw reinforcements arrive, slaughtering what remains of the Black Lotus!

12.After the battle is over only a very limited Black Lotus escape, including Freeling and My love.



How's that>
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| October 2, 2013, 4:42 pm
Quoting Freeling .
Hush, old gilbert is trying to figure out what's going on.

I'm sorry! I lost wi-fi!
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| October 2, 2013, 4:47 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.7

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.

~Outcome~
1. High king eliminated
2. Black Lotus eliminated
3. Better government for Mythron
4. Sozo becomes the outlaw coordinator

~Timeline of the rise and fall of Black Lotus~

()= Builder
Letter= Two weeks between each letter
Number= Order of MOCs

A= Pre assassination
B= During assassination
C= Directly afterward
D= Coordinator assassination
E= Conclussion

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy fails to protect the king
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert and other Rainosians Celebrate and they plan to break the camp of Mythron on the Eastern Boarder. Gilbert goes to Worsan to contact Caleb.
(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to rally the Enalicans to try and break the line of supplies from Mythron to Rainos
(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information
(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(FNJ & Object) D-8. Team up to tack down Black Lotus
(Object) E-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them!
(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus.
(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. The political leaders in Mythron who controlled Black Lotus take over the government and install a powerful new King.

---We good now?

Close, but no cigar yet. I have three problems with it:

1. Rainos' objectives in the Aftermath UC are to raid the Mythronian position in Rainos (especially if no Nerogues show up to man it - thanks FNJ!) or to purchase weapons in Worsan, not to break the supply line or anything like that. I will be in the city and so will Caleb (I think) and I am introducing a new, heroic side character who would be willing to help destroy the Black Lotus for moral reasons if you want him.

2. Add Brick Boy to the challenge. He doesn't have to kill his lover, but he can be trying to free the captives in Worsan when he stumbles into the Black Lotus' assassination attempt and tries to intervene. That even fits into the Mythron part of the UC.

3. We must be very careful to leave some secrets for the Black Lotus, even if we stop them. Mystery is what gives the group its awesomeness.

Brick Boy, I would like your challenge if it wasn't killed by one major flaw - the action is set in Worsan, and the High King certainly can't be having a ball in the capital of Enalica! Maybe, if his captors find out who he is, they would let him throw parties and add the bill to his ransom, but otherwise it just won't work.
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| October 2, 2013, 5:00 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Close, but no cigar yet. I have three problems with it:

1. Rainos' objectives in the Aftermath UC are to raid the Mythronian position in Rainos (especially if no Nerogues show up to man it - thanks FNJ!) or to purchase weapons in Worsan, not to break the supply line or anything like that. I will be in the city and so will Caleb (I think) and I am introducing a new, heroic side character who would be willing to help destroy the Black Lotus for moral reasons if you want him.

2. Add Brick Boy to the challenge. He doesn't have to kill his lover, but he can be trying to free the captives in Worsan when he stumbles into the Black Lotus' assassination attempt and tries to intervene. That even fits into the Mythron part of the UC.

3. We must be very careful to leave some secrets for the Black Lotus, even if we stop them. Mystery is what gives the group its awesomeness.

Brick Boy, I would like your challenge if it wasn't killed by one major flaw - the action is set in Worsan, and the High King certainly can't be having a ball in the capital of Enalica! Maybe, if his captors find out who he is, they would let him throw parties and add the bill to his ransom, but otherwise it just won't work.

I see what you mean...but if you check out my latest Free-build, I'm in no position of power! I'm actually a captive of my lover now!
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| October 2, 2013, 5:06 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
I'll be playing my guitar. ^.^

That's actually what I was doing XD, except I was teaching.
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| October 2, 2013, 5:09 pm
Quoting Brick Boy
I see what you mean...but if you check out my latest Free-build, I'm in no position of power! I'm actually a captive of my lover now!

Easy fix. You're in Rainos now, right? No doubt she'll be wanting to get back to Mythron now that she's been paid for her work, and Worsan is a logical stop. When you get there, you and your fiancÚ can give her band the slip (I could help with a collab, there, if you want - I'm up for adventure), and you can take the opportunity to do some good deeds for your country.
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| October 2, 2013, 5:14 pm
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Object can do version 8 if you guys agree to this one: The thing is, it's nice and easy for us to build things if we follow the nice organization that Object put forth:

A= Pre assassination
B= During assassination
C= Directly afterward
D= Coordinator assassination
E= Conclussion

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus
(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy fails to protect the king because of his love.
(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king
(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert and other Rainosians are unsure about this whole Black Lotus thing and decide (generally) not to trust them. But they know how to take advantage of opportunities and so Gilbert decided to plan to break the camp of Mythron on the Eastern Boarder. Gilbert goes to Worsan to contact Caleb for weapons and a distraction plan.
(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to rally the Enalicans to try and break the line of supplies (or at least distract them) from Mythron to Rainos while Rainos deals with the Mythronians on their land with a fresh load of weapons.
(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information
(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises
(FNJ & Object) D-8. Team up to tack down Black Lotus
(Object) E-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.
(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus.
(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. The political leaders in Mythron who controlled Black Lotus take over the government and install a powerful new King.


Settings of the letters:
A - Wherever Freeling wants
B - Near the same setting where Freeling decides to assassinate the King (is it in Worsan?)
C-4,5 - Worsan where Gilbert asks for Caleb assistance.
C-6 - Around the same area were Freeling assassinated the King
D - Wherever Object wants this to happen
E - wherever Object, FNJ, and Freeling want it (each person can decide where they face the Black Lotus people)





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| October 2, 2013, 5:31 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi

(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you succeed in driving Mythronian forces back to their own land. You have gotten stronger, and Mythron has pulled back. The political leaders in Mythron who controlled Black Lotus take over the government and install a powerful new King.

So does this mean the new king with be corrupt? After, the founders of the Black Lotus probably would choose someone un trustworthy...
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| October 2, 2013, 9:26 pm
And now, to go back and read everything that has been posted since I slept. *sigh* ;)
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| October 2, 2013, 9:27 pm
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Quoting Caleb R
And now, to go back and read everything that has been posted since I slept. *sigh* ;)

:D
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| October 2, 2013, 9:34 pm
Okay. Hmmm. I have a few issues. Not many, but some.

1. Worsan isn't even a little bit close to being in between Rainos and Mythron. How am I supposed to "cut off supplies?"

2. I still need my faction plans approved before I can build anything at all for Enalica.

3. I am willing to distract Mythron like DFNJ suggested. I could raid some towns (not take over, just raid and cause some damage) in Mythron so they have to split forces or something.

4. I don't prefer to build ships. I mean I will do it, but I really don't want to.

5. Am I supposed to somehow switch factions, rally Enalica, help Rainos all in one MOC somehow??
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| October 2, 2013, 9:46 pm
Also, are we allowing any non-admins use Black Lotus in free builds?
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| October 2, 2013, 9:51 pm
Quoting Caleb R
Also, are we allowing any non-admins use Black Lotus in free builds?

Yes, within reason. It's a spirit thing.
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| October 2, 2013, 10:59 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi

I see too many problems. We can't assassinate the king in the third MOC - does anyone disagree? Think about it - that's the bit where the Black Lotus' plans become known to everybody, and the suspense dies. Everything else is practically wrap-up; something for next month. Considering that (and the issues with Rainos and Enalica and the plans for the UC) I've prepared V8.5. If you guys disagree on the climax-protection part, tell me!

A= Pre-assassination (includes investigation and plans to stop the BL, dispersed over the course of the month)
B= Day of the assassination (set at the end of the month)
C= Future (shortly after B)

(General) A-1. UC begins according to plan. Gilbert sends his side-character to Worsan to purchase weapons. Enalica is busy restructuring and Rainos is not fully extending itself to wipe the scum out of their mountains.
(Freeling) A-2. Freeling joins Black Lotus and is promoted.
(OOL with FNJ) A-3. Darvanian and Sozo, following the assassination of an Outlaw leader, investigate the Black Lotus. They uncover a plot and race to stop it (not specifying what the plot is yet to help build suspense).
(Brick Boy) B-1. Brick Boy and Brick Girl arrive in Worsan and Brick Boy stumbles onto the plot, failing to defend the high king!
(Freeling) B-2. Freeling assassinates the high king!
(FNJ, OOL, Gilbert, Caleb) B-3. Nerogue and Outlaw forces, aided by Gilbert's hero and Caleb, arrive at the scene and destroy most of the Black Lotus' leadership in an epic battle. Only Freeling and the head of the organization escape.
(Anyone or everyone) C-1. The winners survey the carnage and agree to part in peace, as each faction has done its part to stop the BL. The king's brother takes over Mythron, Sozo becomes the leader of the Outlaws, Brick Boy gets whatever he wants from his new king, Darvainian is recognized for his heroism, trust is restored between Mythron and Nerogue, Enalica is established, and so on. It's a happy ending.
(Freeling) C-2. Freeling kills the grandmaster of the Black Lotus and the organization ceases to exist... or does it?


Settings of the letters:
Mostly Worsan, with the exception of the investigation and Freeling's sign-up if those people would like to do it elsewhere. I suggest we build sets for Worsan and keep them built over the month so we don't have to start over for each of our entries. This is essentially a giant collaborative build, so we could even build scenes for each other's characters.

Did I mention that I shortened the amount of MOCs the earlier versions asked for? Let's face it - we can't crank those things out as fast as we would like to.
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| October 2, 2013, 11:00 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Yes, within reason. It's a spirit thing.

Spirit?
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| October 2, 2013, 11:03 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Did I mention that I shortened the amount of MOCs the earlier versions asked for? Let's face it - we can't crank those things out as fast as we would like to.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
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| October 2, 2013, 11:14 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Brick Boy and Brick Girl

lololol
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| October 3, 2013, 12:33 am
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Quoting Caleb R
Am I supposed to somehow switch factions, rally Enalica, help Rainos all in one MOC somehow??

I would suggest doing it over several MOCs. But hey, that's just me.....
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| October 3, 2013, 12:34 am
Quoting Freeling .
I would suggest doing it over several MOCs. But hey, that's just me.....

Yeah. This is gonna be a lot of work. I just posted the official Enalica thread
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| October 3, 2013, 12:54 am
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This will never work... Why don't we give up and just make it a smaller thing.
-Freeling will build assassination of the high king, and I'll build the assassination of the Coordinator, and everyone can who track down the turncoat outlaws if they want to.
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| October 3, 2013, 7:00 am
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Quoting The Object of Legend
This will never work... Why don't we give up and just make it a smaller thing.
-Freeling will build assassination of the high king, and I'll build the assassination of the Coordinator, and everyone can who track down the turncoat outlaws if they want to.

Don't loose sight of our vision! We must find a way to work through this!
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| October 3, 2013, 7:10 am
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Quoting Freeling .
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Brick Boy and Brick Girl

lololol

I'm watching you....
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| October 3, 2013, 7:12 am
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Quoting Freeling .

It's Sir Kindle and ...um...I haven't thought of her name yet:p
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| October 3, 2013, 7:13 am
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Quoting Brick Boy
Don't loose sight of our vision! We must find a way to work through this!
I came up with a perfect timeline but Gilbert doesn't like it for reasons that ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE FIXED. So we're stuck with no hope whatsoever. You didn't even have to kill your love in it!
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| October 3, 2013, 7:18 am
Quoting Caleb R
Spirit?

You know... "Go LOM, ra ra ra!"
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| October 3, 2013, 7:45 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
This will never work... Why don't we give up and just make it a smaller thing.
-Freeling will build assassination of the high king, and I'll build the assassination of the Coordinator, and everyone can who track down the turncoat outlaws if they want to.

That actually makes sense. Can we do the tracking down first, though? That's the only part that I have an issue with.
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| October 3, 2013, 7:49 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Brick Boy
Don't loose sight of our vision! We must find a way to work through this!
I came up with a perfect timeline but Gilbert doesn't like it for reasons that ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE FIXED. So we're stuck with no hope whatsoever. You didn't even have to kill your love in it!

Could you explain doesn't work with my adjustments? I'm willing to compromise if you give me your reasoning. But never mind that... Your later plan is making sense.
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| October 3, 2013, 7:51 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
That actually makes sense. Can we do the tracking down first, though? That's the only part that I have an issue with.
The tracking down cannot be before, it doesn't work.
Black Lotus has no quarrel with the outlaws until after they gain power. The outlaws don't care a thing about the high king so they would only begin to hunt Black Lotus after the coordinator is killed. Thus creating the order of events.

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| October 3, 2013, 7:57 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
That actually makes sense. Can we do the tracking down first, though? That's the only part that I have an issue with.
The tracking down cannot be before, it doesn't work.
Black Lotus has no quarrel with the outlaws until after they gain power. The outlaws don't care a thing about the high king so they would only begin to hunt Black Lotus after the coordinator is killed. Thus creating the order of events.

Oh, okay. What if the coordinator is killed first, though? The Outlaws might not like the Black Lotus, but the Black Lotus might want to clear any potential opposition. Could we agree to that?
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| October 3, 2013, 8:05 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Oh, okay. What if the coordinator is killed first, though? The Outlaws might not like the Black Lotus, but the Black Lotus might want to clear any potential opposition. Could we agree to that?
Black Lotus hired outlaw for the purpose of eliminating the king, why would they risk it all and take out someone who isn't even their enemy? After they have the government, then they realize what a problem the outlaws are and want to stop them. I wish it could work differently, but it can't.
I don't know why you think and bunch of people coming together to destroy these corrupt outlaws would be an anticlimax, it sounds huge to me.
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| October 3, 2013, 8:13 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Oh, okay. What if the coordinator is killed first, though? The Outlaws might not like the Black Lotus, but the Black Lotus might want to clear any potential opposition. Could we agree to that?
Black Lotus hired outlaw for the purpose of eliminating the king, why would they risk it all and take out someone who isn't even their enemy? After they have the government, then they realize what a problem the outlaws are and want to stop them. I wish it could work differently, but it can't.

We didn't definitely settle on what the Black Lotus is, right? I mean, they could be the nasty type that wants nothing to stand in their way, including an Outlaw leader who was asking a few to many questions about why they wanted to recruit his or her outlaws, right?
Quoting The Object of Legend I don't know why you think and bunch of people coming together to destroy these corrupt outlaws would be an anticlimax, it sounds huge to me.

It does sound big, but I still think we can make the two big points coincide by having the Lotus topple on the day the king dies. It's a common-but-effective trick used in any big-budget movie with an element of mystery because the feeling that everything is coming together at the last moment builds an insane amount of suspense. The good guys discover an evil plot during the rising action, then arrive at the last moment to try and stop the plot from unfolding. If they get reinforcements (like the army, the police, or a bunch of Nerogues and Outlaws), then those typically come in immediately after the evil plot is or is not thwarted and the bad guys are fleeing the scene.
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| October 3, 2013, 8:25 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
We didn't definitely settle on what the Black Lotus is, right? I mean, they could be the nasty type that wants nothing to stand in their way, including an Outlaw leader who was asking a few to many questions about why they wanted to recruit his or her outlaws, right?
Actually we did, look back at the official story.
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| October 3, 2013, 8:33 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
It does sound big, but I still think we can make the two big points coincide by having the Lotus topple on the day the king dies. It's a common-but-effective trick used in any big-budget movie with an element of mystery because the feeling that everything is coming together at the last moment builds an insane amount of suspense. The good guys discover an evil plot during the rising action, then arrive at the last moment to try and stop the plot from unfolding. If they get reinforcements (like the army, the police, or a bunch of Nerogues and Outlaws), then those typically come in immediately after the evil plot is or is not thwarted and the bad guys are fleeing the scene.
But that would require the coordinator to die first, which still makes no sense. In my experience with stories less plot holes is more important than more suspense.

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| October 3, 2013, 8:37 am
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Maybe I'll pull a freeze now....I'll look this over and come up with a comment.
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| October 3, 2013, 10:35 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I see too many problems. We can't assassinate the king in the third MOC - does anyone disagree? Think about it - that's the bit where the Black Lotus' plans become known to everybody, and the suspense dies. Everything else is practically wrap-up; something for next month. Considering that (and the issues with Rainos and Enalica and the plans for the UC) I've prepared V8.5. If you guys disagree on the climax-protection part, tell me!
So far you've mentioned one problem....I think it's fine that it's in the third MOC - I mean, the brewing beforehand is happening now with the imaginations from all of the other members! Only one plan, after that people will be wondering what we have in store next - will they strike again? I think it creates even more suspense, they succeeded with the high king, are they unstoppable?
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
A= Pre-assassination (includes investigation and plans to stop the BL, dispersed over the course of the month)
B= Day of the assassination (set at the end of the month)
C= Future (shortly after B)
This pre-assassination is now.
The assassination could happen still at the end of the month.

Quoting Gilbert Despathens
(General) A-1. UC begins according to plan. Gilbert sends his side-character to Worsan to purchase weapons. Enalica is busy restructuring and Rainos is not fully extending itself to wipe the scum out of their mountains.
(Freeling) A-2. Freeling joins Black Lotus and is promoted.
(OOL with FNJ) A-3. Darvanian and Sozo, following the assassination of an Outlaw leader, investigate the Black Lotus. They uncover a plot and race to stop it (not specifying what the plot is yet to help build suspense).
That's too many people finding out the ultimate plan of theirs before they do anything - the Black Lotus would know better. I could easily put the A-1 thing to the place where I talked about it in the draft I put up.
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
(Brick Boy) B-1. Brick Boy and Brick Girl arrive in Worsan and Brick Boy stumbles onto the plot, failing to defend the high king!
(Freeling) B-2. Freeling assassinates the high king!
(FNJ, OOL, Gilbert, Caleb) B-3. Nerogue and Outlaw forces, aided by Gilbert's hero and Caleb, arrive at the scene and destroy most of the Black Lotus' leadership in an epic battle. Only Freeling and the head of the organization escape.
I really don't like how right after the assassination everything about the Black Lotus pretty much ends. That will just end the excitement right there...the other plan had it at the end - thus ending the excitement and the story at the same time. People will lose interest here since most of the Black Lotus would be gone.

Quoting Gilbert Despathens
(Anyone or everyone) C-1. The winners survey the carnage and agree to part in peace, as each faction has done its part to stop the BL. The king's brother takes over Mythron, Sozo becomes the leader of the Outlaws, Brick Boy gets whatever he wants from his new king, Darvainian is recognized for his heroism, trust is restored between Mythron and Nerogue, Enalica is established, and so on. It's a happy ending.
This is basically what would happen after OOL, FNJ, and Freeling's MOC of getting the last of the Black Lotus. Not the next step...

Quoting Gilbert Despathens
(Freeling) C-2. Freeling kills the grandmaster of the Black Lotus and the organization ceases to exist... or does it?
I already mentioned this.

Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Settings of the letters:
Mostly Worsan, with the exception of the investigation and Freeling's sign-up if those people would like to do it elsewhere. I suggest we build sets for Worsan and keep them built over the month so we don't have to start over for each of our entries. This is essentially a giant collaborative build, so we could even build scenes for each other's characters.

Did I mention that I shortened the amount of MOCs the earlier versions asked for? Let's face it - we can't crank those things out as fast as we would like to.
We don't want the BL to end super quick - it's huge, and in real life it would take longer. I was thinking that our UC entries would be following our protocol and then Freeling starts the story when (probably after he puts up his UC entry or part of his UC entry) he gets the king.


If timing is a problem, then we could have each letter 3 weeks apart from the thing that I'll post: version 9.


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| October 3, 2013, 10:48 am
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*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.9

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.


() = People
Letters = 2-3 weeks for each letter (that's when the MOCs are posted by us)
Number = order of when the MOCs will be posted (some might be posted on the same day or same week)



A= Pre assassination
B= During assassination
C= Directly afterward
D= Coordinator assassination
E= Conclussion

Before A, people will be putting rumors in their MOCs about the Black Lotus in their UC builds, thus getting everyone on MOCpages wondering about this big Black Lotus thing and building enough suspension before the assassination MOC by Freeling.

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus

(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy fails to protect the king because of his love (he can show that he stumbled upon the plan in his UC or whatever).

(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king.

(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert sends his side-character to Worsan to purchase weapons. Enalica is busy restructuring and Rainos is not fully extending itself to wipe the Mythronians out of their mountains.

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and to rally the Enalicans and distract Mythron by raiding southern coastal outposts and small villages.

(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information. Freeling can also show the Black Lotus' next plan to assassinate the deceased King's brother who is still in Mythron who would then take the throne. (thus allowing more suspension to those watching to see if they will succeed in this and then utterly crush Mythron's leadership.

(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises

(FNJ) D-8. Team up with Sozo (Object can do this in D-7) to tack down Black Lotus.



-----Hopefully E 9-11 could all be posted in the same week, even cooler on the same day, but we'll see how it plays out

(Object) E-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.

(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.

(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus and the saving of the deceased King's brother who will now become King of Mythron.



(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you decide what happens to the Eastern coast of Rainos and the supply line (maybe the supply goes down, and then later you will face Mythron.)


Outcome after E-11 (to be played out by the Admins in any way they want to present it)
The king's brother takes over Mythron, Sozo becomes the leader of the Outlaws, Brick Boy gets whatever he wants from his new king, Darvainian is recognized for his heroism, trust is restored between Mythron and Nerogue, Enalica is established, and Rainos is suddenly the powerhouse with Enalica as its ally. Mythronians at the Eastern boarder of Rainos are left with a smaller supply line thanks to Enalica's intervention of raiding Mythronian villages/outposts/forts/etc.
New government in Mythron improved, but they are in a dire situation with their men at Rainos and Enalica at the seas....what will happen next?


Settings of the letters:
A - Worsan
B - Worsan
C-4,5 - Worsan where Gilbert asks for Caleb assistance.
C-6 - Worsan
D - Wherever Object and FNJ decide to meet - when they part ways it's wherever.
E - Wherever Object, FNJ, and Freeling want it (each person can decide where they face the Black Lotus)


-----Summary of the settings
Mostly Worsan, with the following exceptions:
- The investigation (by FNJ and OOL)
- Freeling's sign-up if those people would like to do it elsewhere.
- FNJ, OOL, and Freeling's face-offs with the remaining Black Lotus.



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| October 3, 2013, 11:10 am
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi

Pretty good. You've finally made this multi-month thing make sense to me, and thanks for getting the Rainos and Enalica roles right. I have a few questions all the same:
1. If this is going to span into November, how do we incorporate the rest of the players who aren't in the staff group? This looks like UC material, out of necessity if for no other reason.
2. I don't understand what the Black Lotus is doing with the Outlaws. That is the weakest link of the story, even though it was written by an outlaw. First, the BL recruits Outlaws and sends them to Worsan - that is a concrete fact. Second, they ignore their recruits and kill the king. Third, after they have brought down the wrath of Mythron, Nerogue, and probably Rainos and Enalica too, they kill the coordinator and make enemies out of their recruits? This is why I suggested killing the coordinator in the rising action to the king's death - that way, Sozo is brought into the plot quickly and the Black Lotus has a motive for the murder: It is removing the one person who had the power to make the Outlaw recruits think, "Hold on, what do they want us for, anyway?"
3. No complaints in this question; I liked this part:
Quoting FNJ
(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus and the saving of the deceased King's brother who will now become King of Mythron.

Does this mean that the heir to the throne is the next target? If so, who did the Black Lotus want to put on the throne? Or was there a mix-up; was the new king meeting the last survivor of HIS assassins when Freeling arrived?
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| October 3, 2013, 11:50 am
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and lead his faction to by raid southern coastal outposts and small villages to distract Mythron.

This is the only issue I have with your plan. I intend to do the first half (leaving Rainos and rallying Enalica within a week or two. So can you make it so how about this?

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and lead his faction to by raid southern coastal outposts and small villages to distract Mythron.

Also, the UC is a bit unclear as to whether we Enalicans are to be friendly to the Rainosians. It made is sound like we weren't happy they are on Worsan. So I have been telling our Faction that we are trying to get them to leave, whether by negotiation or force.
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| October 3, 2013, 12:34 pm
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NOOO! I had a huge long story.....and it logged me out! AAARG!
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| October 3, 2013, 1:03 pm
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Time to re-start... :(
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| October 3, 2013, 1:04 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Time to re-start... :(

Gotta hate that
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| October 3, 2013, 1:09 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
NOOO! I had a huge long story.....and it logged me out! AAARG!

Always copy and paste ;)
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| October 3, 2013, 1:09 pm
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Quoting Caleb R
Always copy and paste ;)

Yeah...I do, but then I accedentally copied something else and typed a bit and then hit submit before copying the whole thing again....so frustrating. Now it might be a bit more clear though :)
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| October 3, 2013, 1:16 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
NOOO! I had a huge long story.....and it logged me out! AAARG!

Really? You're supposed to hit the arrow buttons to go back to the page..... ;_;
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| October 3, 2013, 1:23 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
Really? You're supposed to hit the arrow buttons to go back to the page..... ;_;

I tried, but it deleted everything I wrote (basically a blank box)
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| October 3, 2013, 1:24 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Yeah...I do, but then I accedentally copied something else and typed a bit and then hit submit before copying the whole thing again....so frustrating. Now it might be a bit more clear though :)

Oh I've done that before! At least there is an up-side!
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| October 3, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Notes: All of these things are IDEAS that I think would work with the answers to Gilbert's questions.

RBL stands for the Real Black Lotus - they were promised lots of $$ by the person third in line to the throne if he (the third in line) becomes king.
OBL stands for the Outer Black Lotus
The Coordinator and Freeling are the only links from the OBL to the RBL. The Coordinator is the one that directs the OBL in their assassinations.

Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Pretty good. You've finally made this multi-month thing make sense to me, and thanks for getting the Rainos and Enalica roles right. I have a few questions all the same:
1. If this is going to span into November, how do we incorporate the rest of the players who aren't in the staff group? This looks like UC material, out of necessity if for no other reason.
Simple: Regional challenges! Each of the admins can put their challenge onto the Regional challenges, here are my brief ideas:
Outlaws - search for clues about RBL or join OBL
Nerouge - search for clues about RBL
Rainos - Remain peaceable with Enalica, get out of Worsan and trade for weapons.
Enalica - trade weapons and start getting friendly with the Rainosians (though you still want them out of your land.)
Mythron - Search for any Black Lotus and go into Outlaw territory and push them back (revenge for taking villages in the UCMA)

Quoting Gilbert Despathens
2. I don't understand what the Black Lotus is doing with the Outlaws. That is the weakest link of the story, even though it was written by an outlaw. First, the BL recruits Outlaws and sends them to Worsan - that is a concrete fact. Second, they ignore their recruits and kill the king. Third, after they have brought down the wrath of Mythron, Nerogue, and probably Rainos and Enalica too, they kill the coordinator and make enemies out of their recruits? This is why I suggested killing the coordinator in the rising action to the king's death - that way, Sozo is brought into the plot quickly and the Black Lotus has a motive for the murder: It is removing the one person who had the power to make the Outlaw recruits think, "Hold on, what do they want us for, anyway?"

RBL recruits outlaws to become part of the OBL. OBL people get their own part in the Regional challenges
Outer Black Lotus - assassinate village and town leaders all across the map. Instill fear in the hearts and minds of all! Do not let anyone see you! Just leave a black cloth at the scene.....

The above is how they don't ignore their recruits. None of the OBL (except for the hallucinated Freeling and the coordinator) know the real plan to assassinate the King. The plan of the RBL is to create so much chaos that (hopefully) no one would be able to find a lead to "the big one."

The Coordinator death story:
After the success of Freeling's assassination, RBL plans their next move. With OLB doing wonderfully, everything is going as planned (except for Brick Boy who thankfully failed thanks to Brick Girl (an OBL) - maybe they want Brick Girl to kill Brick Boy?). When some of the members of RBL come to talk about their next move against the deceased King's brother (next in line to the throne who is a good guy), Freeling and the Coordinator disagree and a fight breaks out among them. Freeling escapes, but the Coordinator is captured, and drowned in a river stating that Mythronians found him and that the Coordinator jumped into the river to avoid questioning. When the Coordinator's body washes up on shore, the story seems to be confirmed and thus does not anger the OLB. Unknown to RBL, Sozo and Darvainian saw their act from afar. Sozo then rises to power and he and Darvainian split up to find more about RBL through Sozo's influence over the outlaws and Darvainian's loyal men.

From here the RBL is tracked down and all of the RBL dies and Mythron is saved, unknowingly in debt to Freeling. When will the original proponent of organizing the RBL (now next in line to become king) try to strike again?


Quoting Gilbert Despathens
3. No complaints in this question; I liked this part:
Quoting FNJ
(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus and the saving of the deceased King's brother who will now become King of Mythron.


Does this mean that the heir to the throne is the next target? If so, who did the Black Lotus want to put on the throne? Or was there a mix-up; was the new king meeting the last survivor of HIS assassins when Freeling arrived?
I think I answered this part in the previous section.

Evil third heir promises $$ to these dudes who are named the Black Lotus if they can kill the king and his brother (next in line).


That's a novel right there! This marks the end of book one (maybe)

- We have the brief history dating 800+ years back in the Creatures/History thread
- We have the battle of Unbinding
- We have the treaty between Rainos and Mythorn to reduce the Outlaw population
- We have the defeat of Tomeu and the rise of Nerouge
- We have the treaty between Mythron and Nerouge with the Sacking of Rainos while most of Nerouge stays back and tries to defend Mythronian villages and towns from oncoming Outlaws
- We have the slight success of Mythron to get a hold on the Eastern side of Rainos with a long supply chain
- We have the rise of Enalica (coming)
- We have the Black Lotus scandal started by the third heir to the throne that resulted in Rainos being strengthened and Mythron being weakened a bit, but then about to rise to become better because of the new King. (coming)
- We have the treaty of Rainos and Enalica (coming)


Let's see....COPY.....and Continue.....

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| October 3, 2013, 1:43 pm
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It worked! Yay!

I'm done now, what do you think?
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| October 3, 2013, 1:46 pm
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Quoting Caleb R
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and lead his faction to by raid southern coastal outposts and small villages to distract Mythron.

This is the only issue I have with your plan. I intend to do the first half (leaving Rainos and rallying Enalica within a week or two. So can you make it so how about this?

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and lead his faction to by raid southern coastal outposts and small villages to distract Mythron.

Also, the UC is a bit unclear as to whether we Enalicans are to be friendly to the Rainosians. It made is sound like we weren't happy they are on Worsan. So I have been telling our Faction that we are trying to get them to leave, whether by negotiation or force.

I can definitely add the C-5

For the UC, probably unfriendly until Gilbert sends his man.
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| October 3, 2013, 1:48 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
*THE OFFICIAL STORY OF BLACK LOTUS* V.9

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king and establish a new government. (A new royal family, a republic, or a parliamentary system)

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. My character (Sozo) will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down Black Lotus and destroy them, with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.


() = People
Letters = 2-3 weeks for each letter (that's when the MOCs are posted by us)
Number = order of when the MOCs will be posted (some might be posted on the same day or same week)



A= Pre assassination
B= During assassination
C= Directly afterward
D= Coordinator assassination
E= Conclussion

Before A, people will be putting rumors in their MOCs about the Black Lotus in their UC builds, thus getting everyone on MOCpages wondering about this big Black Lotus thing and building enough suspension before the assassination MOC by Freeling.

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus

(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy fails to protect the king because of his love (he can show that he stumbled upon the plan in his UC or whatever).

(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king.

(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert sends his side-character to Worsan to purchase weapons. Enalica is busy restructuring and Rainos is not fully extending itself to wipe the Mythronians out of their mountains.

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and to rally the Enalicans and distract Mythron by raiding southern coastal outposts and small villages.

(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information. Freeling can also show the Black Lotus' next plan to assassinate the deceased King's brother who is still in Mythron who would then take the throne. (thus allowing more suspension to those watching to see if they will succeed in this and then utterly crush Mythron's leadership.

(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises

(FNJ) D-8. Team up with Sozo (Object can do this in D-7) to tack down Black Lotus.



-----Hopefully E 9-11 could all be posted in the same week, even cooler on the same day, but we'll see how it plays out

(Object) E-9. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.

(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the members of the Black Lotus and destroys them.

(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus and the saving of the deceased King's brother who will now become King of Mythron.



(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you decide what happens to the Eastern coast of Rainos and the supply line (maybe the supply goes down, and then later you will face Mythron.)


Outcome after E-11 (to be played out by the Admins in any way they want to present it)
The king's brother takes over Mythron, Sozo becomes the leader of the Outlaws, Brick Boy gets whatever he wants from his new king, Darvainian is recognized for his heroism, trust is restored between Mythron and Nerogue, Enalica is established, and Rainos is suddenly the powerhouse with Enalica as its ally. Mythronians at the Eastern boarder of Rainos are left with a smaller supply line thanks to Enalica's intervention of raiding Mythronian villages/outposts/forts/etc.
New government in Mythron improved, but they are in a dire situation with their men at Rainos and Enalica at the seas....what will happen next?


Settings of the letters:
A - Worsan
B - Worsan
C-4,5 - Worsan where Gilbert asks for Caleb assistance.
C-6 - Worsan
D - Wherever Object and FNJ decide to meet - when they part ways it's wherever.
E - Wherever Object, FNJ, and Freeling want it (each person can decide where they face the Black Lotus)


-----Summary of the settings
Mostly Worsan, with the following exceptions:
- The investigation (by FNJ and OOL)
- Freeling's sign-up if those people would like to do it elsewhere.
- FNJ, OOL, and Freeling's face-offs with the remaining Black Lotus.

Perfect! I think it should be more clear that the king's brother was part of the group that led Black Lotus. In the settings, the assassination of the king happens in Mythron and the assassination of the coordinator happens in Bodus Minor. Can I make the final, final draft- V.10!?!?
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| October 3, 2013, 1:49 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Perfect! I think it should be more clear that the king's brother was part of the group that led Black Lotus. In the settings, the assassination of the king happens in Mythron and the assassination of the coordinator happens in Bodus Minor. Can I make the final, final draft- V.10!?!?

Yeah, the whole thing about that is in my big long comment (that you probably read)


I'd wait until Gilbert and Freeling give their thoughts on my long comment before you do version 10 so that any character details (like the person in line to become king who organized the Black Lotus) could be secured.
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| October 3, 2013, 1:53 pm
This is really cool. I think we can swing this now. I do have a couple technical points:
1. Regional challenges don't relate to the actual storyline. People confuse them with Rogue Challenges, which focus on one faction's storyline.
2. Let's not copy off of GoH and call this a "book". Maybe we could do that after a year or so, but this is only our seventh month. I feel weird when we take too many ideas from Eurobricks.

I like the addition that the third brother betrayed the king and the middle brother - that's excellent. Maybe he can find asylum in Rainos when it all blows up in his face.
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| October 3, 2013, 1:54 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
This is really cool. I think we can swing this now. I do have a couple technical points:
1. Regional challenges don't relate to the actual storyline. People confuse them with Rogue Challenges, which focus on one faction's storyline.
2. Let's not copy off of GoH and call this a "book". Maybe we could do that after a year or so, but this is only our seventh month. I feel weird when we take too many ideas from Eurobricks.

I like the addition that the third brother betrayed the king and the middle brother - that's excellent. Maybe he can find asylum in Rainos when it all blows up in his face.

Well, one Regional Challenge had it where Mythron and Rainos would attack outlaws, and the outlaws would run away. We could make UC to be major events - while the Regional ones further the affect of major events. The UC's would all be around one thing - many times with factions colliding. Regional each faction doing their own thing.

If you think about it, every MOC should "affect" or "follow along" with a general storyline. It's just how we define Universal Challenges and Regional Challenges.

Maybe, or maybe no one knows he is the one?
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| October 3, 2013, 2:03 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
...I like the addition that the third brother betrayed the king and the middle brother - that's excellent. Maybe he can find asylum in Rainos when it all blows up in his face.

Better yet, he can be killed himself shortly after the affair seems to be over by an assassin who leaves a black flower on his body.... Is it really over? BOM BOM BOM BOM...
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| October 3, 2013, 2:04 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I like the addition that the third brother betrayed the king and the middle brother - that's excellent. Maybe he can find asylum in Rainos when it all blows up in his face.
But it doesn't blow up in his face. Black Lotus WINS according to the story, only the outlaws who did their work are destroyed. The people who started Black Lotus get away with the whole thing and no one ever knows. That's what's so interesting!

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| October 3, 2013, 2:09 pm
This is difficult to follow, but I think I have gotten everything!
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| October 3, 2013, 2:11 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I like the addition that the third brother betrayed the king and the middle brother - that's excellent. Maybe he can find asylum in Rainos when it all blows up in his face.
But it doesn't blow up in his face. Black Lotus WINS according to the story, only the outlaws who did their work are destroyed. The people who started Black Lotus get away with the whole thing and no one ever knows. That's what's so interesting!
Yeah, the only people who got away were the heir and his adviser or something. But no one knows that they are the real culprits.

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| October 3, 2013, 2:15 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Better yet, he can be killed himself shortly after the affair seems to be over by an assassin who leaves a black flower on his body.... Is it really over? BOM BOM BOM BOM...

Yeah, or maybe that will be how we introduce the next episode of the Black Lotus next year sometime. Muahaha!
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| October 3, 2013, 2:15 pm
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Object, I believe version 10 is ready to be posted by you! :D
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| October 3, 2013, 2:39 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Object, I believe version 10 is ready to be posted by you! :D
Sorry, I was judging the UCMA entries. I'll see if you all made any other changes.

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| October 3, 2013, 2:48 pm
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*THE FINAL WORD ON BLACK LOTUS* V.10

-----Story---

~Past~
Black Lotus started as group of people within Mythronian government who secretly want to kill the high king. Their plan was to install the kings brother, who was a member of Black Lotus, as the new monarch.

~Present~
After Rainos broke away Black Lotus decided to put their plans into action. They are looking for outlaws to train to do their dirty work.
They promise a new life to those who will join them, train, and obey during the assassination of the high king and the future work against the outlaws. They promise to erase the crimes of their members and provide them with a place in society.

~Future~
Black lotus will succeed in eliminating the high king and it's secret members in Mythron will take over the government. They will then try to use the organization against the outlaws and will take out the outlaw coordinator. Sozo will assume the position. The outlaws will then hunt down the outlaws working for Black Lotus and destroy them with the help of Nerogue. The ordeal will not be traced back the the group in Mythron and they will get away with it... Perhaps not forever though.


-----Timeline of MOCs---

() = People
Letters = 2-3 weeks for each letter (This is when the MOCs are posted by us, the admins)
Number = order of when the MOCs will be posted (Some may be posted on the same day or same week)

A= Pre assassination
B= During assassination
C= Directly afterward
D= Coordinator assassination
E= Conclusion

Before A, people will be putting rumors in their MOCs about the Black Lotus in their UC builds, thus getting everyone on MOCpages wondering about this big Black Lotus thing and building up suspense before the assassination MOC by Freeling.

(Freeling) A-1. Freeling joins Black Lotus.

(Brick Boy) B-2. Brick Boy fails to protect the king because of his love (He can show that he stumbled upon the plan in his UC or whatever).

(Freeling) B-3. Freeling assassinates the high king.

(Gilbert) C-4. Gilbert sends his side-character to Worsan to purchase weapons. Enalica is busy restructuring and Rainos is not fully extending itself to wipe the Mythronians out of their mountains.

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and to rally the Enalicans and distract Mythron by raiding southern coastal outposts and small villages.

(Feeling) C-6. Freeling escapes Black Lotus as they try to kill him before he can get away with the information. Freeling can also show the Black Lotus' next plan to assassinate the outlaw coordinator. (Since Black Lotus controls Mythron at this point, they attempt to use their assassins to destroy the outlaws central administration)

(Object) D-7. Black Lotus kills coordinator & Sozo rises.

(FNJ) D-8. Nerogue and the outlaws team up to tack down Black Lotus.

[Hopefully E 9-11 could all be posted in the same week, even cooler on the same day, but we'll see how it plays out]

(Object) E-9. Finds half of the new members of Black Lotus and destroys them.

(FNJ) E-10. Finds half of the new members of Black Lotus and destroys them.

(Freeling) E-11. Finds the man who brought him into the whole mess and deals with him - resulting in the final death of the Black Lotus assassins.

(Gilbert & Caleb)C-E. During the Black Lotus chaos, you decide what happens to the Eastern coast of Rainos and the supply line (maybe the supply goes down, and then later you will face Mythron.)

-----Outcome---

After E-11 (To be played out by the Admins in any way they want to present it)
1. The king's brother takes over Mythron.
2. Sozo becomes the leader of the Outlaws.
3. Brick Boy gets whatever he wants from his new king.
4. Darvainian is recognized for his heroism.
5. Trust is restored between Mythron and Nerogue.
6. Enalica is established.
7. Rainos is suddenly the powerhouse with Enalica as its ally.
8. Mythronians at the Eastern boarder of Rainos are left with a smaller supply line thanks to Enalica's intervention of raiding Mythronian villages/outposts/forts/etc.
9. New government in Mythron improved, but they are in a dire situation with their men at Rainos and Enalica at the seas....

What will happen next?

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| October 3, 2013, 3:13 pm
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I found some strange things while fixing everything, let me know if I messed anything up.
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| October 3, 2013, 3:14 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
I found some strange things while fixing everything, let me know if I messed anything up.

Looks great - AND I actually read it before I said that. We've got ourselves a ball game.
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| October 3, 2013, 4:49 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
I found some strange things while fixing everything, let me know if I messed anything up.

Caleb wants to switch this out for C-5

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and lead his faction to by raid southern coastal outposts and small villages to distract Mythron.


The Black Lotus wants to get the youngest brother to the throne, so they want to kill the king and the middle brother of the king. Freeling and the coordinator find out about the plot to the middle brother but decide against it. Freeling escapes, and the coordinator gets captured and drowned by the Black Lotus.


The Black Lotus never got control of Mythron because the middle brother was in the way. That's why the middle brother was the next plot they were going to have Freeling do.
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| October 3, 2013, 4:53 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Caleb wants to switch this out for C-5

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and lead his faction to by raid southern coastal outposts and small villages to distract Mythron.


The Black Lotus wants to get the youngest brother to the throne, so they want to kill the king and the middle brother of the king. Freeling and the coordinator find out about the plot to the middle brother but decide against it. Freeling escapes, and the coordinator gets captured and drowned by the Black Lotus.


The Black Lotus never got control of Mythron because the middle brother was in the way. That's why the middle brother was the next plot they were going to have Freeling do.

But the youngest brother DOES survive and the other flees, possibly to be assassinated later by the original Black Lotus of which the current threat is a warped imitation... That is, if we want to continue the plot in that direction...
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| October 3, 2013, 5:11 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
But the youngest brother DOES survive and the other flees, possibly to be assassinated later by the original Black Lotus of which the current threat is a warped imitation... That is, if we want to continue the plot in that direction...

Yes, he runs away, or stays put because no one knows he started the whole thing. The middle brother eventually becomes King.....I don't know why you thought he would run away...
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| October 3, 2013, 5:38 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Yes, he runs away, or stays put because no one knows he started the whole thing. The middle brother eventually becomes King.....I don't know why you thought he would run away...

I didn't think the middle brother would run away! Why would you think that I thought that, do you think?
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| October 3, 2013, 5:40 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Caleb wants to switch this out for C-5

(Caleb) C-5. Agrees to assist Rainos with weapons and lead his faction to by raid southern coastal outposts and small villages to distract Mythron.
If everyone is fine with that I'll switch it.

Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
The Black Lotus wants to get the youngest brother to the throne, so they want to kill the king and the middle brother of the king. Freeling and the coordinator find out about the plot to the middle brother but decide against it. Freeling escapes, and the coordinator gets captured and drowned by the Black Lotus.

The Black Lotus never got control of Mythron because the middle brother was in the way. That's why the middle brother was the next plot they were going to have Freeling do.
The middle brother is part of the original Black Lotus and they SUCCEED! The younger brother has to flee for his life anyway. Black Lotus must WIN, it's best for the story. Black Lotus isn't necessarily bad, they just chose a bad way to bring about a good king.
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| October 3, 2013, 5:45 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
The middle brother is part of the original Black Lotus and they SUCCEED! The younger brother has to flee for his life anyway. Black Lotus must WIN, it's best for the story. Black Lotus isn't necessarily bad, they just chose a bad way to bring about a good king.

I thought it was the youngest brother who was part of the Black Lotus who wanted to get rid of his two older brothers and take the throne by making the Black Lotus and promising them $$. At least, that's how I put it...
But Freeling stops the last Black Lotus who was going to take out the middle brother, thus saving Mythron from being controlled by the evil youngest brother.

In a way they half won because the younger brother got rid of the oldest brother, but not the middle one who is now King. The younger brother now stays low until he can form another Black Lotus and strike again....the only surviving members of the Black Lotus are the youngest brother and his adviser....

The thing is, the person who organized the Black Lotus is a bad guy - the middle brother is the good brother who becomes King because the Black Lotus only finished half of their mission.



That's how I thought it went....if the Black Lotus rules Mythron then Mythron is toast!
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| October 3, 2013, 5:52 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
That's how I thought it went....if the Black Lotus rules Mythron then Mythron is toast!
Why? They are like the Masons here in America? Beside no one would know, the true Black Lotus (The one in the government) is still untouched.
In a year or two, when Mythron is super powerful, the people can find out what happened and there can be a revolution!!

This way is just so much easier.

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| October 3, 2013, 6:00 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
That's how I thought it went....if the Black Lotus rules Mythron then Mythron is toast!
Why? They are like the Masons here in America? Beside no one would know, the true Black Lotus (The one in the government) is still untouched.
In a year or two, when Mythron is super powerful, the people can find out what happened and there can be a revolution!!
When does the Black Lotus take over? Because Freeling was supposed to take out the last member of the Black Lotus (besides the evil brother and his adviser) at E-11

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| October 3, 2013, 6:03 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi When does the Black Lotus take over? Because Freeling was supposed to take out the last member of the Black Lotus (besides the evil brother and his adviser) at E-11
In this one the middle brother, of Black Lotus, becomes king. Freeling kills the official who hired the assassins, the bad guy. Leaving us with a good new king and a conclusive story.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:06 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
That's how I thought it went....if the Black Lotus rules Mythron then Mythron is toast!
Why? They are like the Masons here in America? Beside no one would know, the true Black Lotus (The one in the government) is still untouched.
In a year or two, when Mythron is super powerful, the people can find out what happened and there can be a revolution!!

I'm with FNJ - the Black Lotus we're dealing with was set up with funds from the king's youngest brother, who is a fairly rotten individual. HOWEVER, who says that there can only be one Black Lotus - maybe the current one was set up to imitate a legendary band of "good" assassins and took their name?

This original BL could be the masonic-but-violent organization you like to think of, but no one has to know that because A) both BLs are extremely secretive, and B)the new one is passing itself off as the old one.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:10 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi When does the Black Lotus take over? Because Freeling was supposed to take out the last member of the Black Lotus (besides the evil brother and his adviser) at E-11
In this one the middle brother, of Black Lotus, becomes king. Freeling kills the official who hired the assassins, the bad guy. Leaving us with a good new king and a conclusive story.

But it's the younger brother who ran the BL... The middle one could be in the "good" BL I just mentioned, maybe.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:14 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I'm with FNJ - the Black Lotus we're dealing with was set up with funds from the king's youngest brother, who is a fairly rotten individual. HOWEVER, who says that there can only be one Black Lotus - maybe the current one was set up to imitate a legendary band of "good" assassins and took their name?

This original BL could be the masonic-but-violent organization you like to think of, but no one has to know that because A) both BLs are extremely secretive, and B)the new one is passing itself off as the old one.
Please no. I'm try to take the easiest route here, it's confusing enough and there is a lot more to the Lands of Mythron then Black Lotus. It shouldn't become the focal point of the group.

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| October 3, 2013, 6:14 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
But it's the younger brother who ran the BL... The middle one could be in the "good" BL I just mentioned, maybe.
I didn't even know there was a third brother, and I made up the story of Black Lotus so obviously I meant that the middle brother is part of BL. The younger brother can still flee if he want but the middle brother can be a GOOD king, and it will be so much easier.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:17 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I'm with FNJ - the Black Lotus we're dealing with was set up with funds from the king's youngest brother, who is a fairly rotten individual. HOWEVER, who says that there can only be one Black Lotus - maybe the current one was set up to imitate a legendary band of "good" assassins and took their name?

This original BL could be the masonic-but-violent organization you like to think of, but no one has to know that because A) both BLs are extremely secretive, and B)the new one is passing itself off as the old one.
Please no. I'm try to take the easiest route here, it's confusing enough and there is a lot more to the Lands of Mythron then Black Lotus. It shouldn't become the focal point of the group.

Easy? We could just leave it blank or confusing in places. It's all secret, so this strategy actually works. Then we have lots of little crags to lock a later story into.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:18 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
But it's the younger brother who ran the BL... The middle one could be in the "good" BL I just mentioned, maybe.
I didn't even know there was a third brother, and I made up the story of Black Lotus so obviously I meant that the middle brother is part of BL. The younger brother can still flee if he want but the middle brother can be a GOOD king, and it will be so much easier.
I can't equate good with killing the brother...since Darvainian knows the real story that's happening, how will he keep that from his fellow Nerogueians?

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| October 3, 2013, 6:20 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
I can't equate good with killing the brother...since Darvainian knows the real story that's happening, how will he keep that from his fellow Nerogueians?
How about this-
Freeling kills the official who hired the assassins, the bad guy. The rest of Black Lotus was working to change the government peacefully. This leaves us with a good new king and a conclusive story
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| October 3, 2013, 6:25 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
But it's the younger brother who ran the BL... The middle one could be in the "good" BL I just mentioned, maybe.
I didn't even know there was a third brother, and I made up the story of Black Lotus so obviously I meant that the middle brother is part of BL. The younger brother can still flee if he want but the middle brother can be a GOOD king, and it will be so much easier.
I can't equate good with killing the brother...since Darvainian knows the real story that's happening, how will he keep that from his fellow Nerogueians?

Okay, the good king doesn't have to be in the "good" BL. I don't think that any killing is good, but I think that the original BL I mentioned would think of itself that way - an organization to remove the world's most dangerous and powerful villains, such as this third brother. Again, Assassin's Creed is in my head-thoughts...
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| October 3, 2013, 6:27 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
I can't equate good with killing the brother...since Darvainian knows the real story that's happening, how will he keep that from his fellow Nerogueians?
How about this-
Freeling kills the official who hired the assassins, the bad guy. The rest of Black Lotus was working to change the government peacefully. This leaves us with a good new king and a conclusive story

No, the entire Black Lotus is an assassins' order. That's the central premise. Freeling will be recruited to their number because his skills matched theirs.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:31 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
No, the entire Black Lotus is an assassins' order. That's the central premise. Freeling will be recruited to their number because his skills matched theirs.
Read the ~Past~ story again.

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| October 3, 2013, 6:35 pm
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I can't think about this anymore. You have my permission to do whatever you what with it. I've had enough, I'm really sorry guys.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:38 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
How about this-
Freeling kills the official who hired the assassins, the bad guy.

The rest of Black Lotus was working to change the government peacefully.

This leaves us with a good new king and a conclusive story

That's good

Well, all of the Black Lotus would be dead - the last guy taken out by Freeling - so they wouldn't exist, but they fulfilled their mission.


Quoting General Information (Important) Borin, Sadon, and Rowan were enraged, and they vowed that even if they could not do it in their life, their sons would wipe out the line of Bartok. Time carried on. And Rowan was appointed king.
Rowan, the not-so-smart-ignorant-bad king dies by Freeling (an OBL - Outer Black Lotus) - who was hired by the real Black Lotus. The Black Lotus were Mythronians hired to kill Rowan by the Mythronian official you mentioned.

The Black Lotus succeed. The Official gets ideas into his head and persuades the Black Lotus to also try and kill the next brother - Sadon who is away at the moment. So the Black Lotus rules over Mythron for a time and agree to the Official's next assassination plan and they go to Freeling and the coordinator of the OBL (Outer Black Lotus) that I talked about earlier, but they refuse to do it. The Real Black Lotus attack Freeling and the Coordinator. Freeling escapes but the coordinator dies because the RBL captured him and drowned him, and placed a cover-up story that he jumped into a rushing river to avoid being questioned by Mythronians who found him.

Basically, the same story that I said before

http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22435&topicid=92024#comment-1245161

except you replace the third brother for this official dude.

Now here's the twist - to bring back the seemingly dead Black Lotus, we eventually show how Borin (the third brother) wants to take the throne because he thinks he could do a much better job at wiping out the line of Bartok and creates his own Black Lotus (next year sometime or two years from now)





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| October 3, 2013, 6:42 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
No, the entire Black Lotus is an assassins' order. That's the central premise. Freeling will be recruited to their number because his skills matched theirs.
Read the ~Past~ story again.

It's in the first comment in the staff group, the first comment in this thread, in the UC previews and everywhere.
Yeah, I know what you mean about this getting crazy. I'm beginning to think that we should cross each bridge when we come to it and stop over-thinking everything.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:43 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
I can't think about this anymore. You have my permission to do whatever you what with it. I've had enough, I'm really sorry guys.

Wait! Please read my reply - I think it fits in! I think we are very close!
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| October 3, 2013, 6:46 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi

Quoting The Object of Legend

Quoting Freeling

Quoting Everyone

OoL is right, this is getting nowhere. What if we focus on the first builds and then work on the story as it comes up? Maybe a solution will present itself as time passes, or maybe we'll just feel more inclined to agree to something. At the very least, let's have a freeze, walk away for a few minutes, and come back in an hour or so.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:54 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Wait! Please read my reply - I think it fits in! I think we are very close!

I can't think right now... I think we need a freeze. I'll consider it seriously later, I promise.
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| October 3, 2013, 6:55 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I can't think right now... I think we need a freeze. I'll consider it seriously later, I promise.

Sigh...okay
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| October 3, 2013, 6:57 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
It's in the first comment in the staff group, the first comment in this thread, in the UC previews and everywhere.
Yeah, I know what you mean about this getting crazy. I'm beginning to think that we should cross each bridge when we come to it and stop over-thinking everything.
We need to accept that it will never be perfect, we're arguing over preferences and it's insane. You are so right, we have waaaaay over-thought this.
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| October 3, 2013, 7:54 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Sigh...okay

I took a break and looked at it again. It's impossible to make sense of it any more. There have been so many changes and there are so many references to different changes that it's not possible to track down the reasoning behind each idea or what exactly is going on. I think we can end the freeze, but we should still keep this cool and level-headed. My opinion is that we should lock this the existing threads down and take this discussion step-by-step in new threads, starting with what we think we all agree on and working our way up. Does this sound like an acceptable plan?
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| October 3, 2013, 8:03 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I took a break and looked at it again. It's impossible to make sense of it any more. There have been so many changes and there are so many references to different changes that it's not possible to track down the reasoning behind each idea or what exactly is going on. I think we can end the freeze, but we should still keep this cool and level-headed. My opinion is that we should lock this the existing threads down and take this discussion step-by-step in new threads, starting with what we think we all agree on and working our way up. Does this sound like an acceptable plan?

Definitely.
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| October 3, 2013, 8:28 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Definitely.

Here goes!
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