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Third general conversation. I'm happy to inform you that order has been restored.
Carry on.
This is the topic for everything from the most complex to the most random.
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| April 25, 2014, 8:57 am
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Haha, okay :)

Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Inactivity- it's not just Enalicans anymore.

Now that Caleb and Thomas are back and Object and Gilbert (Gilbert maybe) are going for a while, and Freeling is at camp...I'm seeing a Nerogue-Enalica Summer ;)
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| April 25, 2014, 11:57 am
Quoting David FNJ
Haha, okay :)

Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Inactivity- it's not just Enalicans anymore.

Now that Caleb and Thomas are back and Object and Gilbert (Gilbert maybe) are going for a while, and Freeling is at camp...I'm seeing a Nerogue-Enalica Summer ;)

I'll have all of summer. It's next month and the ones after summer that I have conflicts with.
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| April 25, 2014, 12:01 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I'll have all of summer. It's next month and the ones after summer that I have conflicts with.

Ah okay.
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| April 25, 2014, 12:24 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Haha, okay :)

Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Inactivity- it's not just Enalicans anymore.

Now that Caleb and Thomas are back and Object and Gilbert (Gilbert maybe) are going for a while, and Freeling is at camp...I'm seeing a Nerogue-Enalica Summer ;)

Errrm... I actually just got a job at a Boy Scout summer camp, so I'll be pretty much gone June and July.
Caleb??? :P
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| April 25, 2014, 4:53 pm
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I'll be good as soon as summer is here
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| April 25, 2014, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Errrm... I actually just got a job at a Boy Scout summer camp, so I'll be pretty much gone June and July.
Caleb??? :P

Oh, nice!
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| April 26, 2014, 12:13 am
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Quoting Caleb R.
I'll be good as soon as summer is here

*cue sigh of relief
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| April 26, 2014, 12:14 pm
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Just curious- why are we adding things to the staff group now? Regicide was kinda justified, but I think it would be better if we kept this just for planning.
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| April 26, 2014, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Just curious- why are we adding things to the staff group now? Regicide was kinda justified, but I think it would be better if we kept this just for planning.

There is no limit for topics created, so why not keep it organized? Besides, these get WAY too long otherwise.
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| April 27, 2014, 10:52 am
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Are we posting MOCs to this group now? Just wondering if I can :P
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| April 27, 2014, 7:49 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
Are we posting MOCs to this group now? Just wondering if I can :P

I think BL MOCs are all allowed. Freeling did it, then Brick did it and I did it- it's kind of pointless since we all see them posted in the main group, though.
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| April 27, 2014, 8:11 pm
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Quoting Harry Wilkinson

For The Masked? If you don't have the exact same mask, I would prefer that you just show the back of him or something.
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| April 27, 2014, 8:42 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Quoting Harry Wilkinson

For The Masked? If you don't have the exact same mask, I would prefer that you just show the back of him or something.

Uh, no, for me. Remember ages back I sent you an email and you told me to wear a black hood as your enforcer/agent dude, but I didn't have one? I was wondering if I should use that mask.
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| April 27, 2014, 9:07 pm
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Quoting Harry Wilkinson
Uh, no, for me. Remember ages back I sent you an email and you told me to wear a black hood as your enforcer/agent dude, but I didn't have one? I was wondering if I should use that mask.

Oooooh, sure!
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| April 27, 2014, 9:11 pm
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Anyone have a problem with me using the picture on the homepage (the small one) as the icon for the main group?
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| April 27, 2014, 10:00 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
Anyone have a problem with me using the picture on the homepage (the small one) as the icon for the main group?

I like it, but I also like the one Joseph Tyler recently posted. How to decide...
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| April 27, 2014, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I like it, but I also like the one Joseph Tyler recently posted. How to decide...

Yeah, his was the inspiration for mine. Speaking strictly from a graphic design point of view, I think mine is better. He might have gotten the colors better though, and his was first.
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| April 27, 2014, 10:56 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Are we posting MOCs to this group now? Just wondering if I can :P

I guess so, but I think the idea was to add MOCs that added to the overall story that started with the assassination of the king of Mythron.
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| April 28, 2014, 12:38 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
I guess so, but I think the idea was to add MOCs that added to the overall story that started with the assassination of the king of Mythron.

Ah, I'll remove mine then :P
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| April 28, 2014, 5:04 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Ah, I'll remove mine then :P

I dunno, I'm personally fine with it, but I don't know if there is a guideline or not
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| April 28, 2014, 5:11 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
I dunno, I'm personally fine with it, but I don't know if there is a guideline or not

I don't want to clutter it, so I did :P
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| April 28, 2014, 5:20 pm
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Just a question, don't mean to sound rude or anything. Is anything "wrong" with Benhamin? I don't know if he quite knows what is really going on, and he recently made a topic in our faction group about spies(the LOM version). Is there a way we are meant to handle him if there is something wrong?
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| April 28, 2014, 7:52 pm
Quoting Harry Wilkinson
Just a question, don't mean to sound rude or anything. Is anything "wrong" with Benhamin? I don't know if he quite knows what is really going on, and he recently made a topic in our faction group about spies(the LOM version). Is there a way we are meant to handle him if there is something wrong?

He has ADHD, he says. Sorry, I can't give you advice on this.
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| April 28, 2014, 7:55 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
He has ADHD, he says. Sorry, I can't give you advice on this.

Ohh ok, I just wanted to know. Thanks for telling me.
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| April 28, 2014, 7:57 pm
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Quoting Harry Wilkinson
Just a question, don't mean to sound rude or anything. Is anything "wrong" with Benhamin? I don't know if he quite knows what is really going on, and he recently made a topic in our faction group about spies(the LOM version). Is there a way we are meant to handle him if there is something wrong?

I have been wondering this too. It says he's a AFOL (27 years old, or something), but he sounds about 8. The only thing I can think to do is to be nice. He seems to have an obsession with The Masked now :P
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| April 28, 2014, 8:48 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I have been wondering this too. It says he's a AFOL (27 years old, or something), but he sounds about 8. The only thing I can think to do is to be nice. He seems to have an obsession with The Masked now :P

I found this... Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD, similar to hyperkinetic disorder in the ICD-10) is a psychiatric disorder of the neurodevelopmental type in which there are significant problems of attention, hyperactivity, or acting impulsively that are not appropriate for a person's age.
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| April 28, 2014, 8:52 pm
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Quoting Harry Wilkinson
I found this... Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD, similar to hyperkinetic disorder in the ICD-10) is a psychiatric disorder of the neurodevelopmental type in which there are significant problems of attention, hyperactivity, or acting impulsively that are not appropriate for a person's age.

ADHD is rarely a big enough disorder to merit his behavior. I would guess there is something more and that he is told he has ADHD.
That sounds harsh. I could be wrong, but my mom is a psychologist, and I just talked to here about it.
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| April 28, 2014, 9:06 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
Anyone have a problem with me using the picture on the homepage (the small one) as the icon for the main group?

Working on an entry to the homepage challenge with Asad and Joseph Tyer, I found a problem with that - no one will be able to read the text when the picture is sized down. Using the initials "LOM" works well, though.
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| April 28, 2014, 9:42 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Working on an entry to the homepage challenge with Asad and Joseph Tyer, I found a problem with that - no one will be able to read the text when the picture is sized down. Using the initials "LOM" works well, though.

I can do that. Can there be groups of four? I can add some graphic design and some basic web design skills to the group :P
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| April 28, 2014, 9:51 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
I can do that. Can there be groups of four? I can add some graphic design and some basic web design skills to the group :P

I don't see why not. Is there any chance you can do images for headings, like one for "Factions" or "Points and Ranks"? I'll send you an invite.
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| April 28, 2014, 11:46 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I don't see why not. Is there any chance you can do images for headings, like one for "Factions" or "Points and Ranks"? I'll send you an invite.

I'm fairly good at writing, if you'd like any help there.
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| April 29, 2014, 3:00 pm
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we could really use a Staff NeatChat
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| April 29, 2014, 6:19 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I'm fairly good at writing, if you'd like any help there.

This is getting to be a huge project, but I know a part that we still need help with. I wanted to do a linked atlas page for the factions with more information on their geographies, cultures and histories than there is available on the homepage descriptions. Would you like to help me write and find pictures for that?
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| April 29, 2014, 6:36 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
This is getting to be a huge project, but I know a part that we still need help with. I wanted to do a linked atlas page for the factions with more information on their geographies, cultures and histories than there is available on the homepage descriptions. Would you like to help me write and find pictures for that?

Do you mean like a blog, with pages for each faction?
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| April 30, 2014, 9:06 am
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Do you mean like a blog, with pages for each faction?

I had sections for each faction, not entire pages. I was thinking that we staff would be more likely to update an on-site page than a blog with an unfamiliar layout. A blog could work, though, if you know a good server.
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| May 1, 2014, 8:18 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I had sections for each faction, not entire pages. I was thinking that we staff would be more likely to update an on-site page than a blog with an unfamiliar layout. A blog could work, though, if you know a good server.

How would we have a page on MOCpages? I suppose somebody could whip up a quick MOC to post with it, but that would still be limited to only one person editing it. Should I set up a "LOM Staff" account that we can all log onto to edit the faction descriptions?
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| May 1, 2014, 8:25 am
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
How would we have a page on MOCpages? I suppose somebody could whip up a quick MOC to post with it, but that would still be limited to only one person editing it. Should I set up a "LOM Staff" account that we can all log onto to edit the faction descriptions?

I was thinking that another group would work. The problem with a staff account is that there's a one-hour wait every time you want to change your log-in, as I found out sharing my home's wifi with my brothers.
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| May 1, 2014, 8:34 am
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Should we extend the deadline for the UC another day since MOCpages was down for most of yesterday?
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| May 1, 2014, 10:25 am
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Quoting David FNJ
Should we extend the deadline for the UC another day since MOCpages was down for most of yesterday?

Wasn't down for me...
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| May 1, 2014, 6:14 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Wasn't down for me...

It wasn't down for Ian I think, but it was down for me, I was pretty annoyed.
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| May 1, 2014, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Harry Wilkinson
It wasn't down for Ian I think, but it was down for me, I was pretty annoyed.

It was down for me to, but I don't think we need to extent the deadline because of it.
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| May 1, 2014, 6:35 pm
I lost MOCpages yesterday, and today it stopped working on one of the wifi networks I often connect to (school). There's something less than great going on with the server, but, unless we hear any requests for extensions, I say we start judging.
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| May 1, 2014, 7:42 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I was thinking that another group would work. The problem with a staff account is that there's a one-hour wait every time you want to change your log-in, as I found out sharing my home's wifi with my brothers.

Wait- your brother has a MOCpages account?
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| May 1, 2014, 8:24 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Wait- your brother has a MOCpages account?

Well, two of them do. I'm the real Lego freak who visits regularly, though. One is still more or less a rainbow warrior and the other is a fairly-decent steampunk and sci-fi builder - we both built space pirates for Caleb's minifigure contest. Both tend to post creations and avoid us lunatics in the social side.
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| May 1, 2014, 8:33 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Well, two of them do. I'm the real Lego freak who visits regularly, though. One is still more or less a rainbow warrior and the other is a fairly-decent steampunk and sci-fi builder - we both built space pirates for Caleb's minifigure contest. Both tend to post creations and avoid us lunatics in the social side.

Is his name Sir If?
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| May 1, 2014, 8:37 pm
Quoting ~ Brick

I can't see what's going on in your group, but my spy has given me some complaints. Unless you have a legitimate reason for the latest boot, please let him back in. If you had anyone with a spy rank, we would welcome him or her to Rainos with open arms.
Quoting Asad .
Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I was removed again from the Mythron group, and I didn't even do anything. Infact, I was gone.


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| May 3, 2014, 9:43 am
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This is getting a little out of hand. Any suggestions on how to handle the situation?

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/387452
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| May 3, 2014, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
This is getting a little out of hand. Any suggestions on how to handle the situation?

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/387452

Weeelll... we could ban him from the group. He'd be pretty disappointed and angry with us, but LOM would have fewer low-quality freebuilds and less ungrammatical questions. We could ask him to stop, knowing that he's unlikely to be able to comply. (Actually, he asked in our group if Enalcia had princes, before he murdered one :P) On the other hand, we could let him remain in the group and do nothing. One or two people might be confused, but most people will be looking to your or my mocs to define Enalica, not Benhaimin's. His moc has been viewed 27 times, compared to over 400 for your latest. He's obviously happy here; why spoil it without a compelling reason?
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| May 3, 2014, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Weeelll... we could ban him from the group. He'd be pretty disappointed and angry with us, but LOM would have fewer low-quality freebuilds and less ungrammatical questions. We could ask him to stop, knowing that he's unlikely to be able to comply. (Actually, he asked in our group if Enalcia had princes, before he murdered one :P) On the other hand, we could let him remain in the group and do nothing. One or two people might be confused, but most people will be looking to your or my mocs to define Enalica, not Benhaimin's. His moc has been viewed 27 times, compared to over 400 for your latest. He's obviously happy here; why spoil it without a compelling reason?

Good points. I think leaving him alone would be good for now, I just hope he doesn't do anything too dramatic anytime soon :P
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| May 3, 2014, 10:40 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
Good points. I think leaving him alone would be good for now, I just hope he doesn't do anything too dramatic anytime soon :P

Yes, that's the best policy. After all, it could have been a very minor prince.
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| May 4, 2014, 6:54 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Yes, that's the best policy. After all, it could have been a very minor prince.

So...
You want to advise him on this one?

http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?groupid=22392&topicid=88813#comment-1389740
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| May 5, 2014, 12:20 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Looks like his MO - precision to a tenth of a point. You know, I would not be averse to having Kai as the mod from the outlaws instead of Matt W. Anyone else in favor?

Second the motion. Or, now might be a good time to hold mod elections, and get five active mods. Asad could definitely be a mod, for one thing.

I was just surprised that Freeling didn't do the judging himself.
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| May 5, 2014, 2:52 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
So...
You want to advise him on this one?

http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?groupid=22392&topicid=88813#comment-1389740

Got it. That was the easy one.
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| May 5, 2014, 2:54 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Second the motion. Or, now might be a good time to hold mod elections, and get five active mods. Asad could definitely be a mod, for one thing.

You know, you might be right. I think each faction has at least one that I would vote for in an election: Mythron has Ian, Nerogue has Stephen, the Outlaws have Kai, Rainos has Asad and Enalica has Harry.
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| May 5, 2014, 3:57 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
You know, you might be right. I think each faction has at least one that I would vote for in an election: Mythron has Ian, Nerogue has Stephen, the Outlaws have Kai, Rainos has Asad and Enalica has Harry.

Just kidding on the last - no of f e nse, Harry, but Thomas is a great administrator, even without the red badge.
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| May 5, 2014, 8:05 pm
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I'd like to propose a motion for next month's challenge judging. When people participate in UCs, they're submitting their mocs to be scored by a set, public list of the admins and mods. If we add or substitute other people into that list, no matter how responsible, it seems to me we're kind of selling the entrants short. How about codifying that, in addition to the posted-by-the-2nd and scored-by-the-fifth rules, we add that only admins and mods are allowed to do the judging?
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| May 6, 2014, 9:59 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I'd like to propose a motion for next month's challenge judging. When people participate in UCs, they're submitting their mocs to be scored by a set, public list of the admins and mods. If we add or substitute other people into that list, no matter how responsible, it seems to me we're kind of selling the entrants short. How about codifying that, in addition to the posted-by-the-2nd and scored-by-the-fifth rules, we add that only admins and mods are allowed to do the judging?

I agree, I don't exactly like how Kai is judging in place of Freeling. Nothing against Kai or anything, its just that he is not a mod, and he is not here in the staff group.
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| May 6, 2014, 10:44 am
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I'd like to propose a motion for next month's challenge judging. When people participate in UCs, they're submitting their mocs to be scored by a set, public list of the admins and mods. If we add or substitute other people into that list, no matter how responsible, it seems to me we're kind of selling the entrants short. How about codifying that, in addition to the posted-by-the-2nd and scored-by-the-fifth rules, we add that only admins and mods are allowed to do the judging?

Right. They don't have to if they don't want to, after all, so there's no need to find subs. How about getting some more public, recognized mods, though? I think we could get away with holding elections.
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| May 6, 2014, 6:36 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Right. They don't have to if they don't want to, after all, so there's no need to find subs. How about getting some more public, recognized mods, though? I think we could get away with holding elections.

Yeah. Unless Freeling wants to share, I have no clue why Kai felt he needed to judge.

I think now would be a great time to hold mod elections. Any other admins want to voice their support/not?
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| May 7, 2014, 9:06 am
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Yeah. Unless Freeling wants to share, I have no clue why Kai felt he needed to judge.

I think now would be a great time to hold mod elections. Any other admins want to voice their support/not?

For!
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| May 7, 2014, 9:29 am
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Just one question before I voice my vote. Will there be 5 new mods? If so, I don't think they will need to be here.
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| May 7, 2014, 10:25 am
Quoting David FNJ
Just one question before I voice my vote. Will there be 5 new mods? If so, I don't think they will need to be here.

I think that most of the factions have people who could be useful here. Steohen Boe, for example, might be a good candidate for a Nerogue mod because he's fairly active. Matt and George... not so much. At the VERY least, I would like the chance to try out a mod for Rainos since I'll be gone (completely, if possible) from September to late November and there's no better way to test a potential successor than hands-on experience.
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| May 7, 2014, 11:02 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I think that most of the factions have people who could be useful here. Steohen Boe, for example, might be a good candidate for a Nerogue mod because he's fairly active. Matt and George... not so much. At the VERY least, I would like the chance to try out a mod for Rainos since I'll be gone (completely, if possible) from September to late November and there's no better way to test a potential successor than hands-on experience.

I see your point. Will we be removing Matt and George from here and the main group as mods then?

Also, I think that we should make Thomas an admin here.
Enalica already has 3 members here, so I don't think an election for Enalica is necessary (who else would run/win besides Harry?)
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| May 7, 2014, 11:21 am
Quoting David FNJ
I see your point. Will we be removing Matt and George from here and the main group as mods then?

Hopefully.
Quoting David FNJ
Also, I think that we should make Thomas an admin here.
Enalica already has 3 members here, so I don't think an election for Enalica is necessary (who else would run/win besides Harry?)

I can see Enalica having an election, but I can also see Thomas winning by a landslide. I second the motion to give Thomas the red banner now, though.
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| May 7, 2014, 11:36 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I can see Enalica having an election, but I can also see Thomas winning by a landslide. I second the motion to give Thomas the red banner now, though.

All we need is another okay from

That's what I'm thinking - Enalica doesn't need an election since they are already mods in the main group.
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| May 7, 2014, 11:40 am
Quoting David FNJ
All we need is another okay from

That's what I'm thinking - Enalica doesn't need an election since they are already mods in the main group.

If I were an Enalican and every other faction was choosing mods with an election, I would at least like the chance to run or affirm my choice in one of the two. Plus, I think that even though both Harry and Thomas have done well as mods, one with magic and one with a range of projects, maybe only one of them needs mod privileges in the main group. I'd be glad if both remained here, however.
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| May 7, 2014, 12:11 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
If I were an Enalican and every other faction was choosing mods with an election, I would at least like the chance to run or affirm my choice in one of the two. Plus, I think that even though both Harry and Thomas have done well as mods, one with magic and one with a range of projects, maybe only one of them needs mod privileges in the main group. I'd be glad if both remained here, however.

That might be a good policy for all the former mods- leave them in the staff group, for a while, at least, so they can see the discussions here after they're demoted, and so they don't feel punished.

I think Enalica should have an election for one mod position, and either Harry or I would then remain in the staff group as an honorary position. I have a feeling Gabe French will want to run, too.
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| May 7, 2014, 12:33 pm
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Personally I don't think we need more Mods....at least, not yet. It's wonderful to have a imaginative staff and such, but right now I think we can support ourselves. However, I wouldn't be against mod elections for our respective faction groups.
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| May 7, 2014, 12:36 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
Personally I don't think we need more Mods....at least, not yet. It's wonderful to have a imaginative staff and such, but right now I think we can support ourselves. However, I wouldn't be against mod elections for our respective faction groups.

So you think it's better to have George and Matt instead of two active, committed mods?
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| May 7, 2014, 3:13 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
So you think it's better to have George and Matt instead of two active, committed mods?

Yeah, is it really better to have George and Matt? They are NEVER active! I think we should promote some more active mods as well, those two stink.
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| May 7, 2014, 3:16 pm
Quoting George Marshall
Yeah, is it really better to have George and Matt? They are NEVER active! I think we should promote some more active mods as well, those two st i n k.

Let's be honest - you aren't active and as an authority figure you're far more chaotic even than me. Does that make you a bad or unlikeable person? No. Does that make you a good mod? No. (Would it make you a good Rainosian? Heck, yes!) Nice to see you back, though, even in this awkward setting.

Anyway, if you're going to be around, I can see you as a strong candidate for Mythron's modship. The difference would be that, if you win, you would be there because of the support of your faction, not only because you and Freeling are buddies. I know that people can't always be around, but I personally plan to resign when that happens to me in September.
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| May 7, 2014, 4:57 pm
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Quoting George Marshall
Yeah, is it really better to have George and Matt? They are NEVER active! I think we should promote some more active mods as well, those two stink.

No offense, but when was your last comment?
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| May 7, 2014, 4:57 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Let's be honest - you aren't active and as an authority figure you're far more chaotic even than me. Does that make you a bad or unlikeable person? No. Does that make you a good mod? No. (Would it make you a good Rainosian? Heck, yes!) Nice to see you back, though, even in this awkward setting.

Anyway, if you're going to be around, I can see you as a strong candidate for Mythron's modship. The difference would be that, if you win, you would be there because of the support of your faction, not only because you and Freeling are buddies. I know that people can't always be around, but I personally plan to resign when that happens to me in September.

It's not awkward, because I was LITERALLY agreeing with him. I'm not an active mod, and when I was active, I wasn't any good. I'm a horrible role-model, and a horrible authority figure. I will gladly give up my moderatorship to someone better qualified than I, which is not too hard to find. And by the way, I've never said that there was any other reason to my moderation besides the fact the Freeling and I are bros. In fact, I've admitted it plenty of times!

Anyways, I hope to stay active as much as I can, and have a few LOM builds planned after I finish a few GI builds and some other projects I have been working on. And remember, if you guys ever need me, for ANYTHING, I'll always be willing to help, even if I'm not active at the time.
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| May 7, 2014, 5:58 pm
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I'm fine with the idea of MOD elections.
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| May 7, 2014, 6:49 pm
Quick recap:
- Three admins and two mods for mod elections
- One admin against
- Freeling, the Object of Legend, Harry and Matt have not voiced opinions
- Many players for mod elections
- Many players who have not voiced opinions

Finer details:
- How many mods
- Whether ex-staff may remain in the faction group
- Whether all mods should have staff group access or only moderation privileges in the main group
- Red banner for Thomas (maybe every current staffer) in this group
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| May 7, 2014, 7:16 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
No offense, but when was your last comment?

Why would there be offense? I was admitting I'm never active.
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| May 7, 2014, 8:02 pm
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Quoting George Marshall
Why would there be offense? I was admitting I'm never active.

Eh, sometimes humor is misread over the internet :)
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| May 7, 2014, 10:00 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Eh, sometimes humor is misread over the internet :)

Right. We're also power-craved enough that we have trouble understanding that someone is willing to release mod privileges.
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| May 7, 2014, 10:16 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Right. We're also power-craved enough that we have trouble understanding that someone is willing to release mod privileges.

True story :P
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| May 7, 2014, 11:41 pm
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Wait! Weren't George and Matt suppose to be demoted?
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| May 9, 2014, 6:17 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
Wait! Weren't George and Matt suppose to be demoted?

We're waiting for Freeling and OoL's votes on the issue as a whole.
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| May 9, 2014, 6:48 pm
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I logged on to find Halhi flaunting his new moderator banner. There's a good chance he simply promoted himself, but in case one of you promoted him, please don't in the future without a majority vote in the Staff Group. Thanks.

On another note, one could say that shows the need for more mods :P
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| May 9, 2014, 7:47 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I logged on to find Halhi flaunting his new moderator banner. There's a good chance he simply promoted himself, but in case one of you promoted him, please don't in the future without a majority vote in the Staff Group. Thanks.

On another note, one could say that shows the need for more mods :P

I was going to come over here and write, "WHO MODDED HALHI?" before proceeding to rant. Thanks for handling that diplomatically.

Seriously, though, it is slightly disappointing that someone decided to give mod privileges to a player without mentioning this to the staff. I doubt that Halhi did it himself, because I'm familiar with his methods of hacking MOCpages and it is completely unable to promote, demote, invite, remove or ban players. If someone did it as a joke, I'll only say that it's a pity that Thomas stepped in before the punch line, because I probably would have laughed at the end. If not, it makes me feel like the person who did it could have a little more respect for the rest of the staff, particularly because we've been working so hard to resolve the mods issue.
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| May 9, 2014, 7:52 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I was going to come over here and write, "WHO MODDED HALHI?" before proceeding to rant. Thanks for handling that diplomatically.

My pleasure. Rants may be entertaining, but they're also unproductive.
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| May 9, 2014, 8:09 pm
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Honestly, I would prefer not to have Halhi as a MOD. While he's an excellent builders (one of the best of the group) and a smart guy, I think he has gotten in more arguments than any other player. If we have MOD elections for each faction, do he staff have any say? :P
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| May 10, 2014, 10:02 am
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Quoting Caleb R.
Honestly, I would prefer not to have Halhi as a MOD. While he's an excellent builders (one of the best of the group) and a smart guy, I think he has gotten in more arguments than any other player. If we have MOD elections for each faction, do he staff have any say? :P

I'd say we have veto power, and the ability to remove staffers if we have a majority vote for impeachment, but telling a faction that their vote was invalid because we don't like their candidate- I don't think that would go over well, unless is what definitely needed.
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| May 10, 2014, 11:06 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I'd say we have veto power, and the ability to remove staffers if we have a majority vote for impeachment, but telling a faction that their vote was invalid because we don't like their candidate- I don't think that would go over well, unless is what definitely needed.

I figured as much.

On a somewhat unrelated note: does Halhi have a public rock tutorial now that the tourney is over?
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| May 10, 2014, 11:08 am
K, took myself off of the staff for you guys, because you guys were taking to long to do it. You're welcome buddies.
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| May 10, 2014, 12:22 pm
Quick reply to the above -
- I'm with Caleb. Halhi can be a bit of a whiner. He's smart and active, but still...
- I thought it might work if staff could vote along with members of a faction. That way everyone gets a say, but the problem is that staff voters might outnumber player voters. Perhaps we could count our votes as less than player votes to balance that out.
- He does have a rockwork tutorial.
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=23775&topicid=95163
- Thanks, George.
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| May 10, 2014, 1:08 pm
Oh, and if anyone's looked at this group's homepage recently, I've put together a place where we can alert each other to what we need to do.
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| May 10, 2014, 1:10 pm
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Quoting George Marshall
K, took myself off of the staff for you guys, because you guys were taking to long to do it. You're welcome buddies.

Okey-doke.
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| May 10, 2014, 2:46 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Okey-doke.

What was i needed fo
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| May 12, 2014, 12:53 pm
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Quoting Freeling ++
What was i needed fo

We need you to give approval to the holding of moderator elections in the main group. The majority of the staff is in favor, and Gilbert or I can do all the work; we just need your thoughts on the matter before we get started.
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| May 12, 2014, 1:14 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
We need you to give approval to the holding of moderator elections in the main group. The majority of the staff is in favor, and Gilbert or I can do all the work; we just need your thoughts on the matter before we get started.

Thought I already gave approval. Sure go ahead.
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| May 12, 2014, 1:16 pm
Thanks! Should we give up our "one faction will disappear" trick, which not many people were falling for anyway, and hold elections this month; or should we wait for June?
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| May 12, 2014, 1:27 pm
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Quoting Freeling ++
Thought I already gave approval. Sure go ahead.

Maybe so. Thanks.
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| May 12, 2014, 1:29 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Thanks! Should we give up our "one faction will disappear" trick, which not many people were falling for anyway, and hold elections this month; or should we wait for June?

Give up the "faction falling"; all it's really doing is making Halhi more cynical. Do we want to run the elections in each faction group, knowing that Mythron's and the Outlaws' elections will probably be delayed, or just provide a list of candidates in the main group and hold everything in the survey thread?
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| May 12, 2014, 1:31 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Give up the "faction falling"; all it's really doing is making Halhi more cynical. Do we want to run the elections in each faction group, knowing that Mythron's and the Outlaws' elections will probably be delayed, or just provide a list of candidates in the main group and hold everything in the survey thread?

I think a new thread would work well. It will be entertaining and, more importantly, informative to see everyone's campaigns and people's reactions to them. Plus, I was thinking of some questions for a new survey,
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| May 12, 2014, 2:36 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I think a new thread would work well. It will be entertaining and, more importantly, informative to see everyone's campaigns and people's reactions to them. Plus, I was thinking of some questions for a new survey,

Sounds fine to me. I'm assuming you want to start the thread, then?
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| May 12, 2014, 4:21 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Oh, and if anyone's looked at this group's homepage recently, I've put together a place where we can alert each other to what we need to do.

Looks good! Thanks
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| May 12, 2014, 5:20 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I think a new thread would work well. It will be entertaining and, more importantly, informative to see everyone's campaigns and people's reactions to them. Plus, I was thinking of some questions for a new survey,

Sounds good to me too.

Are the new mods coming here though? Nothing personal against Halhi, but you know what I mean....
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| May 12, 2014, 5:21 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Sounds good to me too.

Are the new mods coming here though? Nothing personal against Halhi, but you know what I mean....

That's why we get to vote :)
I think I do know what you mean. He's part me, part Imperator K and part who-knows-what. That means that I really like a third of him, though.
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| May 12, 2014, 6:32 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
That's why we get to vote :)
I think I do know what you mean. He's part me, part Imperator K and part who-knows-what. That means that I really like a third of him, though.

Hahahaha!
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| May 12, 2014, 7:01 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Sounds good to me too.

Are the new mods coming here though? Nothing personal against Halhi, but you know what I mean....

Good to know that I am not the only one.
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| May 12, 2014, 7:01 pm
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Thanks to whoever made that little list on our HP. :) I'll try and work on the Wiki later today...but no promises as my UC is way bhind schedule!
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| May 15, 2014, 8:21 am
Quoting ~ Brick
Thanks to whoever made that little list on our HP. :) I'll try and work on the Wiki later today...but no promises as my UC is way bhind schedule!

On the same subject, Iremore is complete on the wiki but I'm not up for writing the history of the war on my phone. Also, what's going on with the story MOCs? Anyone seen OoL?
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| May 16, 2014, 1:17 am
Announcement - without an iPad, I'm having trouble getting around MOCpages. Also, I'm going to be freakishly busy until Monday. I don't want my ”retirement” to begin early, but I thought it best to give y'all a heads-up.
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| May 16, 2014, 1:20 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Also, what's going on with the story MOCs? Anyone seen OoL?

Or Freeling?

I should be mostly done with mine over the weekend if I don't have to do anything on Saturday.
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| May 16, 2014, 11:10 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Announcement - without an iPad, I'm having trouble getting around MOCpages. Also, I'm going to be freakishly busy until Monday. I don't want my ”retirement” to begin early, but I thought it best to give y'all a heads-up.

Why wouldn't you have your iPad anymore? :(
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| May 16, 2014, 11:10 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens Also, what's going on with the story MOCs? Anyone seen OoL?
That's what I've been busy with. I'll be posting the assassination later today.

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| May 16, 2014, 11:14 am
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens Also, what's going on with the story MOCs? Anyone seen OoL?
That's what I've been busy with. I'll be posting the assassination later today.

Awesome!
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| May 16, 2014, 11:19 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
On the same subject, Iremore is complete on the wiki but I'm not up for writing the history of the war on my phone. Also, what's going on with the story MOCs? Anyone seen OoL?

Thanks for writing up Iremore. Although it coudl still use some work, I found there actually was an article already- only, it was "The Battle of Unbinding" and all the links pointed to "Battle of Unbinding" :P
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| May 16, 2014, 1:07 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Awesome!

It's up! Hooray! Yeah!
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| May 16, 2014, 2:16 pm
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Quick question. How do you guys pronounce things?

Is Mytrhon just Myth-Ron like a myth and then the name Ron? :P

And Elpis. Is that just how it sounds? I'm making a stop-motion with those in it and I need to pronounce those too :P
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| May 17, 2014, 8:45 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Quick question. How do you guys pronounce things?

Is Mytrhon just Myth-Ron like a myth and then the name Ron? :P

And Elpis. Is that just how it sounds? I'm making a stop-motion with those in it and I need to pronounce those too :P
I'm pretty sure both are phonetic, like Myth-Ron.

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| May 18, 2014, 7:56 am
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I was looking at the work list, apparently I'm supposed to do something about the moderators. What's that about?
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| May 18, 2014, 7:58 am
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Quoting The Object of Legend
I was looking at the work list, apparently I'm supposed to do something about the moderators. What's that about?

W wanted your input on whether or not to hold mod elections. We kind of already started, though. You can take that section out if you want to :)
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| May 18, 2014, 11:52 am
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Quoting Caleb R.
Quick question. How do you guys pronounce things?

Is Mytrhon just Myth-Ron like a myth and then the name Ron? :P

And Elpis. Is that just how it sounds? I'm making a stop-motion with those in it and I need to pronounce those too :P

That's what I've always thought.
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| May 18, 2014, 11:53 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
W wanted your input on whether or not to hold mod elections. We kind of already started, though. You can take that section out if you want to :)
I thought I'd already done that, so no problem.

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| May 18, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Quick question for Thomas: does our Wiki have ads because the site that hosts our wiki requires it, or did we put them there?
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| May 18, 2014, 1:47 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
Quick question for Thomas: does our Wiki have ads because the site that hosts our wiki requires it, or did we put them there?

Like most free .com sites that aren't selling anything, Wikia sells add space. Other sites and businesses collect your browser history to tailor the adds to your interests.
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| May 18, 2014, 2:24 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Quick question for Thomas: does our Wiki have ads because the site that hosts our wiki requires it, or did we put them there?

Everything on Wikia.com has ads, even their community pages. Why on earth would I ask to have ads? Extra income? :P
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| May 18, 2014, 3:55 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Extra income? :P

I've got a few expenses that could benifit from those ads of yours! :P
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| May 18, 2014, 5:54 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
I've got a few expenses that could benifit from those ads of yours! :P

You have expenses, oh KFOL of the 10,000 masonry bricks?
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| May 19, 2014, 3:01 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Quick question. How do you guys pronounce things?

Is Mytrhon just Myth-Ron like a myth and then the name Ron? :P

And Elpis. Is that just how it sounds? I'm making a stop-motion with those in it and I need to pronounce those too :P


I've been pronouncing it like My-thron
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| May 19, 2014, 10:01 pm
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Did someone demote Matt W? He's been utterly inactive, but it's still not a good habit if somebody demoted another staffer without getting a consensus.

If he decided to resign, however, I am glad he did. One fewer staffer that'll get demoted :P
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| May 20, 2014, 12:12 am
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I'm not aware of anyone who did that. But on that subject, I just want to point out that it is it is fundamentally easy for anyone (yes ANYONE) to:
1. Make anyone anywhere a mod or normal member without even having to be in the group itself.
2. Edit any group homepage/title/rules
3. Join any group even if it is a private group
4. Let yourself into groups even if it needs "approval"
5. Comment in any topic even if it is locked


I don't even know how to bring up the subject in the MOCpages help group because people would start to try to "hack" into groups.
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Did someone demote Matt W? He's been utterly inactive, but it's still not a good habit if somebody demoted another staffer without getting a consensus.

If he decided to resign, however, I am glad he did. One fewer staffer that'll get demoted :P


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| May 20, 2014, 11:06 am
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Quoting David FNJ

Well, it's not exactly anyone just yet. It's more like 10 people in LOM, at most. Gilbert and I can edit the homepage and privacy settings, and I don't think much else. Halhi, and possibly David ., can change all the membership settings. I don't remember anyone else, though, and neither David or Halhi have been particularly liberal about telling how they do it.
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| May 20, 2014, 1:37 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Well, it's not exactly anyone just yet. It's more like 10 people in LOM, at most. Gilbert and I can edit the homepage and privacy settings, and I don't think much else. Halhi, and possibly David ., can change all the membership settings. I don't remember anyone else, though, and neither David or Halhi have been particularly liberal about telling how they do it.

I feel so out of the loop when it comes to hacking:P
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| May 20, 2014, 2:12 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
I feel so out of the loop when it comes to hacking:P

It's not really hacking because we don't get control of the site itself.

Anyway, maybe through email I can tell you guys (or else if people jump into this group they would find out...)
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| May 20, 2014, 5:20 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Everything on Wikia.com has ads, even their community pages. Why on earth would I ask to have ads? Extra income? :P

Nah :P I was thinking that there might be an option to turn the ads off like on some other sites that are similar, but I'm guessing you already looked for something of the sort.
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| May 21, 2014, 12:36 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Like most free .com sites that aren't selling anything, Wikia sells add space. Other sites and businesses collect your browser history to tailor the adds to your interests.

Yoo, were we going to make an anonymous poll for mod votes?
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| May 21, 2014, 2:58 am
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Quoting ~ Brick
I feel so out of the loop when it comes to hacking:P

Do you have a public email, Brick?
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| May 21, 2014, 9:52 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Do you have a public email, Brick?

Yes....
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| May 21, 2014, 10:10 am
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Quoting ~ Brick
Yes....

And?
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| May 21, 2014, 10:51 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
And?

I can FM you.
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| May 21, 2014, 1:00 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
And?

I just don't want to give it out here, we could be amongst spies.
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| May 21, 2014, 1:01 pm
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I believe that the homepage in the link below is ready for the main group. Any additions/changes/suggestions are welcome.
http://mocpages.com/group.php/24053
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| May 21, 2014, 1:09 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Nah :P I was thinking that there might be an option to turn the ads off like on some other sites that are similar, but I'm guessing you already looked for something of the sort.

Oh, wow. I thought you were talking about the small video ads on the homepage, but now there's a giant, unshaven shirtless dude with a volcano erupting behind him. At least he looks like the majority of sigfigs here :P
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| May 22, 2014, 9:20 am
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Okay, this whole hacking thing is just too easy that it is scary... I figured out how to replace someone else's comment with your own...I just replaced Freeling's first comment in the old sign-up thread (so now no waiting needed ;)
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topicid=88443
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| May 22, 2014, 11:21 am
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Quoting David FNJ
Okay, this whole hacking thing is just too easy that it is scary... I figured out how to replace someone else's comment with your own...I just replaced Freeling's first comment in the old sign-up thread (so now no waiting needed ;)
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topicid=88443

Ooooh boy. Wait til Freeling sees this.
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| May 22, 2014, 3:46 pm
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Sometimes it seems like mods, with a bit of cleverness, can do anything they want to in a group... except click the "Lock Topic" button :P
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| May 22, 2014, 4:05 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Okay, this whole hacking thing is just too easy that it is scary... I figured out how to replace someone else's comment with your own...I just replaced Freeling's first comment in the old sign-up thread (so now no waiting needed ;)
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topicid=88443

Holy...
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| May 22, 2014, 4:30 pm
Quoting David FNJ
I believe that the homepage in the link below is ready for the main group. Any additions/changes/suggestions are welcome.
http://mocpages.com/group.php/24053

The points and ranks section could use some links, but it beats what we have on the HP now.
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| May 22, 2014, 4:35 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Oh, wow. I thought you were talking about the small video ads on the homepage, but now there's a giant, unshaven shirtless dude with a volcano erupting behind him. At least he looks like the majority of sigfigs here :P

Ads are normally targeted to specific people based on browser history and a few other details. Of course, it's not /always/ accurate.
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| May 22, 2014, 4:39 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Okay, this whole hacking thing is just too easy that it is scary... I figured out how to replace someone else's comment with your own...I just replaced Freeling's first comment in the old sign-up thread (so now no waiting needed ;)
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topicid=88443

Nice work. I think this tampering problem is the best reason I know to make an LOM-specific site.

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| May 22, 2014, 4:42 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Sometimes it seems like mods, with a bit of cleverness, can do anything they want to in a group... except click the "Lock Topic" button :P
Locking topics doesn't seem to work unless you're an admin...even with the "hack"

What got me going was all of the hacking ruckus in the TFOL Private club, so I went ahead and explored on unused groups making sure to restore them back to their original position. Now it all makes sense how they all did it and how back in the day when i Brick got hacked. Literally anyone on MOCpages could have done it without even being in the group itself.
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| May 22, 2014, 4:48 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
The points and ranks section could use some links, but it beats what we have on the HP now.

Okay - like team Piglot's entry?
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| May 22, 2014, 4:49 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Woah! The comment replacement works!

~Thomas of Tortuga

Scary right?
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| May 22, 2014, 4:50 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Okay - like team Piglot's entry?

Not necessarily in so much detail, but links to the threads or wiki pages for different ranks would help
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| May 22, 2014, 6:48 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Not necessarily in so much detail, but links to the threads or wiki pages for different ranks would help

Okay - I should be able to add those within a week
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| May 22, 2014, 7:00 pm
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I proofread the magic article, if anyone needed to hear that I did. I've been busy recently, I benched 100 lbs 400 times two days ago, and I'm still sore, but that's nothing. I just haven't had time to build. And camp is next week.
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| May 22, 2014, 9:59 pm
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Quoting Freeling ++
I proofread the magic article, if anyone needed to hear that I did. I've been busy recently, I benched 100 lbs 400 times two days ago, and I'm still sore, but that's nothing. I just haven't had time to build. And camp is next week.

Thank you, Freeling. Wow! That's far heavier than I could do :P
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| May 23, 2014, 7:51 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Thank you, Freeling. Wow! That's far heavier than I could do :P

Well, it's not much. But the 400 reps was impressive. (I did not do them in a row. Of course. ;)
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| May 23, 2014, 9:57 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Woah! The comment replacement works!

~Thomas of Tortuga

HEY! :P
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| May 24, 2014, 5:16 pm
Is anyone interested in judging what is probably the last city-attack MOC-off in LOM history? Halhi and I are posting our fleets on Monday. Well, he's posting a fleet and I'm posting two ships - the trail end of high school kind of zapped my excitement for this as well as my building time. All the same, it should involve at least six ships, any of which could be better than any ever posted before in the LOM.
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| May 25, 2014, 11:57 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Is anyone interested in judging what is probably the last city-attack MOC-off in LOM history? Halhi and I are posting our fleets on Monday. Well, he's posting a fleet and I'm posting two ships - the trail end of high school kind of zapped my excitement for this as well as my building time. All the same, it should involve at least six ships, any of which could be better than any ever posted before in the LOM.

I'll judge. And I assure you Gilbert, it won't be the last attack...
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| May 25, 2014, 12:43 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Is anyone interested in judging what is probably the last city-attack MOC-off in LOM history? Halhi and I are posting our fleets on Monday. Well, he's posting a fleet and I'm posting two ships - the trail end of high school kind of zapped my excitement for this as well as my building time. All the same, it should involve at least six ships, any of which could be better than any ever posted before in the LOM.

I think I can judge, but I'll cede if OoL and David are both available. I've been advising on a lot of Gilbert's WIPs.
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| May 25, 2014, 1:42 pm
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I had set up the Outlaw faction banner to link to the faction group. What happened?
I can't figure out the HTML to fix it. But I'll try if it won't create problems.
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| May 25, 2014, 2:05 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Is anyone interested in judging what is probably the last city-attack MOC-off in LOM history? Halhi and I are posting our fleets on Monday. Well, he's posting a fleet and I'm posting two ships - the trail end of high school kind of zapped my excitement for this as well as my building time. All the same, it should involve at least six ships, any of which could be better than any ever posted before in the LOM.
Last city attack! Why?

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| May 25, 2014, 2:08 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Last city attack! Why?

Because city attacks interfere with UCs, and because they can't be coordinated with the overall story, several of us think they should be either eliminated or extensively remodeled.
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| May 25, 2014, 3:29 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
I'll judge. And I assure you Gilbert, it won't be the last attack...

That's nice of you, but, well, Meids is your city, isn't it? Last time, only admins from neutral factions judged.
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| May 25, 2014, 5:27 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Because city attacks interfere with UCs, and because they can't be coordinated with the overall story, several of us think they should be either eliminated or extensively remodeled.

I vote extensively remodeled. Personally I think that people who want to have a city attack should contact their factional leader, then that factional leader producer makes a *faction* group only RC. This RC would, of course, focus on the attack....but it would give other players a chance to incorperate it into their story.
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| May 25, 2014, 7:04 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
I vote extensively remodeled. Personally I think that people who want to have a city attack should contact their factional leader, then that factional leader producer makes a *faction* group only RC. This RC would, of course, focus on the attack....but it would give other players a chance to incorperate it into their story.

So, I have a scenario for your idea. No hard feelings, just playing devil's advocate.

What happens when the staff make a challenge of an army attacking Reedus, a Rainosian attacks Meids, and another Rainosian attacks Elpis? If we add city attacks into the official story, we'll just drag down attendance on the UCs, especially if the UCs have less effect than city attacks.

Another point, for the entire concept of city attacks: what happens 1 year from now, when Rainos gains a few more good builders and, say, Halhi hits a mini- Dark Age? Rainos winds up owning all the Mythronian cities but Reedus, Mythron doesn't have the building strength to take them back, and a Rainosian demands to attack Reedus. What happens next?
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| May 25, 2014, 7:25 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
So, I have a scenario for your idea. No hard feelings, just playing devil's advocate.

What happens when the staff make a challenge of an army attacking Reedus, a Rainosian attacks Meids, and another Rainosian attacks Elpis? If we add city attacks into the official story, we'll just drag down attendance on the UCs, especially if the UCs have less effect than city attacks.

Another point, for the entire concept of city attacks: what happens 1 year from now, when Rainos gains a few more good builders and, say, Halhi hits a mini- Dark Age? Rainos winds up owning all the Mythronian cities but Reedus, Mythron doesn't have the building strength to take them back, and a Rainosian demands to attack Reedus. What happens next?

I'd say that sounds like the end of (insert faction here). That doesn't seem quite fair to the people in the faction in mention(it could happen to Rainos), especially those who just like to build fantasy/medieval.
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| May 26, 2014, 1:21 am
Maybe, instead of cities, the factions could fight for unclaimed islands. Then wars of conquest could go on in the fringes of the world rather than the main playing area. Even allied factions could compete through privateers and the like. Think about it - it sounds like a lot of fun to me.
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| May 26, 2014, 1:57 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Maybe, instead of cities, the factions could fight for unclaimed islands. Then wars of conquest could go on in the fringes of the world rather than the main playing area. Even allied factions could compete through privateers and the like. Think about it - it sounds like a lot of fun to me.

It does sound like a lot of fun- however, then we run into the problem of whether to coordinate these other kingdoms' story, and if not, then we'd need to give a reason for most people to keep their characters at home instead of off exploring.
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| May 26, 2014, 6:13 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
It does sound like a lot of fun- however, then we run into the problem of whether to coordinate these other kingdoms' story, and if not, then we'd need to give a reason for most people to keep their characters at home instead of off exploring.

Maybe people with a certain rank will be allowed to post a colonist/conqueror character who can travel to those islands (maybe to replace the Ambassador rank, since FNJ has pointed out that it's pretty repetitive) and the city raider rank gives them the ability to take lands with said character. Primary characters, on the other hand, could be barred from participating in conquests. I don't know, though - it does sound like it could draw attention away from the mainland and its struggles, though.
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| May 27, 2014, 2:19 am
Hey, how about this? Instead of islands or cities, people build personal castles or houses. Instead of massive wars between factions, any two players can go one-on-one to capture/keep them without disputing
disrupting the story. They build their castles/houses at one rank and gain the ability to engage in battle with another. In each battle, both people risk their castles in an attempt to capture another rather than one person attacking and the other defending. If the attacker wins, the defender can buy the property back for a ransom of a few points. Finally, the battles only take a couple weeks each and require mutual agreement to begin. It's fun, it's low-stress and it hardly causes a ripple in the overall story.
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| May 27, 2014, 2:31 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Hey, how about this? Instead of islands or cities, people build personal castles or houses. Instead of massive wars between factions, any two players can go one-on-one to capture/keep them without disputing
disrupting the story. They build their castles/houses at one rank and gain the ability to engage in battle with another. In each battle, both people risk their castles in an attempt to capture another rather than one person attacking and the other defending. If the attacker wins, the defender can buy the property back for a ransom of a few points. Finally, the battles only take a couple weeks each and require mutual agreement to begin. It's fun, it's low-stress and it hardly causes a ripple in the overall story.

So, they both try to capture the other person's house, and then that gets judged? The loser can then buy their garrison for points?
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| May 27, 2014, 2:43 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Hey, how about this? Instead of islands or cities, people build personal castles or houses. Instead of massive wars between factions, any two players can go one-on-one to capture/keep them without disputing
disrupting the story. They build their castles/houses at one rank and gain the ability to engage in battle with another. In each battle, both people risk their castles in an attempt to capture another rather than one person attacking and the other defending. If the attacker wins, the defender can buy the property back for a ransom of a few points. Finally, the battles only take a couple weeks each and require mutual agreement to begin. It's fun, it's low-stress and it hardly causes a ripple in the overall story.

This is solid. It'll allow more people to build manors/keeps, and it's a logical progression from city attacks.
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| May 27, 2014, 11:14 am
Quoting Harry Wilkinson
So, they both try to capture the other person's house, and then that gets judged? The loser can then buy their garrison for points?

Ha, I didn't even think about the garrison. I was thinking about ransoming the entire house. People are expendable...
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| May 27, 2014, 11:37 am
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
This is solid. It'll allow more people to build manors/keeps, and it's a logical progression from city attacks.

Question is, what happens with the current city attack? If Brick wants to let it play out under the old system, Mythron can have a shot at Rainos under the same rules when one of them gets the 100-point rank.
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| May 27, 2014, 11:40 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Is anyone interested in judging what is probably the last city-attack MOC-off in LOM history? Halhi and I are posting our fleets on Monday. Well, he's posting a fleet and I'm posting two ships - the trail end of high school kind of zapped my excitement for this as well as my building time. All the same, it should involve at least six ships, any of which could be better than any ever posted before in the LOM.

I'm available.
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| May 27, 2014, 1:25 pm
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Sorry I wasn't on these past four days, Friday was a graduation, Saturday and Sunday I (most of the time) don't go on my computer, and yesterday I was away all day. But I've been checking in on my iPod. I'll be replying to your comments momentarily.
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| May 27, 2014, 1:26 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Hey, how about this? Instead of islands or cities, people build personal castles or houses. Instead of massive wars between factions, any two players can go one-on-one to capture/keep them without disputing
disrupting the story. They build their castles/houses at one rank and gain the ability to engage in battle with another. In each battle, both people risk their castles in an attempt to capture another rather than one person attacking and the other defending. If the attacker wins, the defender can buy the property back for a ransom of a few points. Finally, the battles only take a couple weeks each and require mutual agreement to begin. It's fun, it's low-stress and it hardly causes a ripple in the overall story.

That was pretty much the exact same thing that I was thinking.

People build castles/fortresses at a certain rank, and then those can be attacked by opposing forces. In addition to that, I think that battles can take place at outposts, at sea, or at some other landscape. I'm not sure, though, about both sides risking their castles since it wouldn't make sense from a real-life attacking standpoint. Rather, maybe losing keeps that person from attacking that faction via MOC-offs again for 6 months. The defender would basically receive bonus LOM points.


We could show on the territories map small sections that have been "taken over" by other factions through these MOC-offs. I'd also recommend saying that forces should attack at near border locations (not some castle right next to Reedus if you know what I mean).

If lots of territory is being conquered though these MOC-offs, then we could lead up to a UC that would correlate to these victories and maybe allow a city-attack UC of sorts where the points of the two sides determines the outcome of that city. But it is unlikely that it'll get that far for at least a year or so. Especially considering that people could reclaim those areas though another MOC-off.
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| May 27, 2014, 1:35 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Question is, what happens with the current city attack? If Brick wants to let it play out under the old system, Mythron can have a shot at Rainos under the same rules when one of them gets the 100-point rank.
Maybe to be fair give each faction 1 opportunity (if they want to) to use the old system.

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| May 27, 2014, 1:36 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Because city attacks interfere with UCs, and because they can't be coordinated with the overall story, several of us think they should be either eliminated or extensively remodeled.

I vote remove city attacks

If people gain enough territory as I mentioned in my comment above, then a city attack as a UC would appear.
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| May 27, 2014, 1:37 pm
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I edited this comment to reflect Gilbert's idea with the Landlords and Barons


--- --- --- Attacking Territory --- --- ---

- There are two levels. The first level consists of:
1. Outposts
2. Battles in the open landscape (or seascape)
3. Small towns
4. One-on-ones to settle border disputes (can be done with factions that are allies)

- The second level consists of:
1. Castles (made by players at 75-point rank)
2. Fortresses (made by players at 75-point rank)
3. Large towns (ask faction leaders for a list of their towns)
4. Other areas of importance made by Landholders (made by players at 75-point rank)
- At level 2, you must have a minimum of 100 character points (Baron Rank) to attack.


75-Point Rank: Landholder
As a landholder, a player is allowed to build a castle, fortress, or some other structure of importance like a town hall on his or her faction's land as the capitol of its immediate area. Although players can do this at any time with or without this rank, there are two advantages to having this: First, the structure will be added to a map (or official list) as a place of importance and second, it allows the landholder to accept challenges from barons. The third bonus that may be added is the use of a holding as a source of resources or trade goods. Take note, though - playing the games of barons is not without risk, so it is best not to wrap holdings too closely into one's primary storyline.


100-Point Rank: Baron
Barons have the opportunity to challenge landholders and other barons to lucrative competitions for territory. In addition, barons may obtain multiple holdings through conquest. The prerequisite for doing so is building a local capitol as a landholder to use as wagering material.


LEVEL 1:
In this level, you approach a member of another faction of whom you are not allies with (exemption for number 4 in level 1) and challenge them to a MOC-off. A MOC-off is a building challenge between two people. You set the time-limit (no longer than 2 months) and the size-restrictions (if any). Post your entries within your agreed time limit (you can extend it if you both agree). Make sure to specify if the MOCs entered can have more than one "scene" to it.
To set the location, you cannot attack anywhere you want in a certain faction. You must work your way into that faction's territory (example: you cannot attack a small town right next to Reedus) starting from/near the boarder.
Key notes:
- You are not obligated to accept a challenge.
- If you fail to post, you lose.
- If no one posts, nothing happens.
- Winners are decided by 2 out of 3 votes by certain judges. Judges cannot come from the factions present in the battle.
- Each MOC-off build is worth 3 points.
- Whoever wins receives 2 bonus points. The loser does not receive any points.
- If the attacker wins, the territory is now in the hands of the attacking faction. The territories map at the bottom of the homepage is updated (or maybe another copy of the territories map will be made for this).
- You may attack and defend as many times as you want (in level 1).
- If friendly factions want to have a MOC-off, they can either just do a MOC-off with no territory-gaining or have their characters do a one-on-one fight to extend a border.


LEVEL 2:
In this level, you team up with at least one other person from your faction or allied faction in an attempt to gain a much larger span of territory as well as more points. There is no limit on the number of people with you, but the rule is that the opposing side has to have the same number of people. You may only participate in 2 attacks per year (defenses are unlimited). This is the same as a MOC-off but instead of on-on-one, it is even-on-even. We call these MOC-battles.
The same rule regarding location applies here as well.
Your faction has to have won two level 1 MOC-offs and still have control of those territories before Level 2 is unlocked. Your level 2 location must be near one of your other conquered territories.
Key notes:
- You are not obliged to accept the challenge.
- Each MOC is worth 4 points. The winners each receive an extra 3 points.
- If the attackers win, that faction gains territory at the location of the MOC-battle. The defending faction (who lost) cannot attack any other faction until the territory is reclaimed. (Exemption: Players from the defending faction -who lost- ARE allowed to join a different faction's attack or defense. They just can't initiate an attack other than on that territory)
- If the defenders win, they take back the nearby MOC-off territory that was lost prior to this one.
-- Example: Rainos won 2 MOC-off battles (Territories A and B) and Mythron did not reclaim any of them. Rainos goes for a Castle near Territory B built by Halhi and they fail. Mythron gains Territory B back.


If we feel like current conquest and holdings would fit well with a city attack, it may pop up in a UC challenge.

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| May 27, 2014, 1:38 pm
Quoting David FNJ
That was pretty much the exact same thing that I was thinking.

People build castles/fortresses at a certain rank, and then those can be attacked by opposing forces. In addition to that, I think that battles can take place at outposts, at sea, or at some other landscape. I'm not sure, though, about both sides risking their castles since it wouldn't make sense from a real-life attacking standpoint. Rather, maybe losing keeps that person from attacking that faction via MOC-offs again for 6 months. The defender would basically receive bonus LOM points.


We could show on the territories map small sections that have been "taken over" by other factions through these MOC-offs. I'd also recommend saying that forces should attack at near border locations (not some castle right next to Reedus if you know what I mean).

If lots of territory is being conquered though these MOC-offs, then we could lead up to a UC that would correlate to these victories and maybe allow a city-attack UC of sorts where the points of the two sides determines the outcome of that city. But it is unlikely that it'll get that far for at least a year or so. Especially considering that people could reclaim those areas though another MOC-off.

Your idea is similar, but I'd like to point out a couple of key differences between the two.

One totally disengages the mechanism from factional power-struggles - like I said, it's a low-stress way for a couple builders to compete against each other and wager some points or personal territory. After all, in a group where people cut throats in the hurt-and-heal minigame, wars for dominance can be intense.

The other changes long, high-stakes battles for entire provinces into a string of faster-paced battles that have less effect individually. It also doesn't have an explanation for how player-built outposts or castles come into play, since some factions might not have any of those for some time and all need territory to compete for.

What we have to decide is how much influence we want to give to these attacks. I feel like a poll in the main group could give us some good feedback.
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| May 27, 2014, 3:17 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Question is, what happens with the current city attack? If Brick wants to let it play out under the old system, Mythron can have a shot at Rainos under the same rules when one of them gets the 100-point rank.
Maybe to be fair give each faction 1 opportunity (if they want to) to use the old system.

Sounds good
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| May 27, 2014, 3:18 pm
As I've adapted my idea, I've been attracted to the potential uses of personal territory as the basis for a sort of parallel economic sub-game that ultimately becomes a sort of points mine.

75-Point Rank: Landholder
As a landholder, a player is allowed to build a castle, outpost or house on his or her faction's land as the capitol of its immediate area. This structure can be anything from a fortress in the wild to a comfortable hobbit hole to a plantation house to a town hall. Although players can do this at any time with or without this rank, there are two advantages to having this: First, the structure will be added to a map (or official list) as a place of importance and second, it allows the landholder to accept challenges from barons. The third bonus that may be added is the use of a holding as a source of resources or trade goods. Take note, though - playing the games of barons is not without risk, so it is best not to wrap holdings too closely into one's primary storyline.

100-Point Rank - Baron
Barons have the opportunity to challenge landholders and other barons to lucrative competitions for territory. In addition, barons may obtain multiple holdings through conquest. The prerequisite for doing so is building a local capitol as a landholder to use as wagering material.

To start a territory challenge, a baron approaches a landholder (or another baron) and asks if the landholder would like to have a MOC-off. The two parties agree on the terms of the challenge, provided that it stays within the realm of the LOM (for example, it could be a food fight in one of the holdings involved or a serious attempt to conquer the enemy's holding by force). Once the terms and the deadline are settled, the competitors notify the LOM staff, who will select three of their number to act as judges. The actual MOCs used are worth three points on construction (unless double-purposed as entries to another challenge, like a UC entry) and the winning MOC earns an extra point.

Regardless of who wins, the results are the same: the winner takes the other player's holding. From there, the players must decide on one of two possibilities: either the loser buys back the holding for a maximum of three character points, or the winner keeps the holding and the loser is allowed to make a new one, increasing the amount of holdings in the game.

- Barons can wager as many holdings as they wish against like numbers from another baron (e.g., two for two). For each pair of holdings on the table, the winning MOC is awarded an extra point.
- Barons may only instigate two MOC-offs per month.
- Both sides of a MOC-off must agree on all terms, from the deadline to the setting to the buy-back price for holdings.
- New holdings may only be added by a) players who have not built their first holding yet and b) players who lost a MOC-off at the rate of one property per battle lost (yes, this means that one can lose a battle, build a new holding AND buy back the holding lost).
- Invitations to participate in a MOC-off can be declined at any time for any reason.
- Failure to post a MOC for a MOC-off by the deadline after agreeing to the terms results in a score of zero, although extensions and late penalties are negotiable.
- Holding multiple territories and their resources may have further advantages in the future
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| May 27, 2014, 3:36 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens

What we have to decide is how much influence we want to give to these attacks. I feel like a poll in the main group could give us some good feedback.

Agreed.
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| May 27, 2014, 3:57 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
Agreed.

About the current city attack - are you willing to let it play out by the old rules in exchange for the opportunity to attack one of our cities in the same way?
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| May 27, 2014, 4:40 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
About the current city attack - are you willing to let it play out by the old rules in exchange for the opportunity to attack one of our cities in the same way?

Can I decide after the judging?:P

In al seriousness, I would hate to see your and Halhi's handwork go to waste. But I'm undecided as of yet.
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| May 27, 2014, 4:53 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
Can I decide after the judging?:P

In al seriousness, I would hate to see your and Halhi's handwork go to waste. But I'm undecided as of yet.

Maybe you can attack while I'm away for college. That would be fun.

Or maybe we could play it out to see who wins, then, if my side wins, we'll give it back as part of a peace treaty.

Oh, and would you like a rogue challenge for Mythron? Thomas and I thought that next month's story would work out well if the UC focused on mopping up the remnants of the fighting and doing something with Nerogue while the heroes of Mythron had an extra opportunity to flash back and show the big battle taking place.
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| May 27, 2014, 5:05 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
As I've adapted my idea, I've been attracted to the potential uses of personal territory as the basis for a sort of parallel economic sub-game that ultimately becomes a sort of points mine.
The one problem I have with that is the way that other factions in a sense have control over territory in another faction even though there was no real logical means for that to happen. If we want to do it more like you described it (maybe we could do both) then I imagine it more being like rich landlords who barter for important market places. This would make it sort of like a safe haven for people of other factions who are in that foreign territory.

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| May 27, 2014, 7:07 pm
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Not sure if you guys saw this comment from earlier:
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22435&topicid=95939#comment-1400794
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| May 27, 2014, 7:08 pm
Hey, what's the Neatchat password?
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| May 27, 2014, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Hey, what's the Neatchat password?

No clue. I don't trust neatchat.


So far from the survey people seem to like two sides to the attacking thing
1. Trading areas of importance by means of a MOC-off of sorts
2. Slowly conquering areas that are not important that may or may not influence a UC someday.

I think we would be able to do both.
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| May 27, 2014, 10:16 pm
Quoting David FNJ
No clue. I don't trust neatchat.


So far from the survey people seem to like two sides to the attacking thing
1. Trading areas of importance by means of a MOC-off of sorts
2. Slowly conquering areas that are not important that may or may not influence a UC someday.

I think we would be able to do both.

Finding a mix between the two models is probably the best option - a little bit of resources and trading (a popular idea) and a little bit of gradual conquest. My head's getting fuzzy, so I'll have some more ideas tomorrow afternoon.
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| May 28, 2014, 12:51 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Hey, what's the Neatchat password?

Check your flickr mail...
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| May 28, 2014, 6:55 am
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Well, both entries to the city attack are posted. Whatever happens to the system, they still need to be judged. I believe we have David, OoL, and myself judging?

I vote for Gilbert.
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| May 28, 2014, 1:39 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga

I vote for Gilbert.

Ya know....maybe we should just declare it a draw. It we're reforming the system....it seems unfair Mythron will be the only ever to get attacked. And it seems unfair Rainos is the only faction ever to be able to attack.
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| May 28, 2014, 1:40 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
Ya know....maybe we should just declare it a draw. It we're reforming the system....it seems unfair Mythron will be the only ever to get attacked. And it seems unfair Rainos is the only faction ever to be able to attack.

On second thought... I agree with you. Perhaps Gilbert will be a gentleman and withdraw from the actual takeover?
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| May 28, 2014, 2:59 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
Check your flickr mail...

Freeling sent me a tirade by email. I haven't been sworn at in a while, so it was refreshing. Apparently some responsible soul changed the password before I could go and play peacekeeper with a coup of my own - anyone want to come forward?
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| May 28, 2014, 8:42 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Well, both entries to the city attack are posted. Whatever happens to the system, they still need to be judged. I believe we have David, OoL, and myself judging?

I vote for Gilbert.

I think I may be judging as well.
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| May 28, 2014, 9:20 pm
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Just judged. Gilbert got my vote. Details as to why on either MOC.
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| May 28, 2014, 9:37 pm
That makes three staffers for my MOC: Thomas, Caleb and Brick. I think that, as more or less neutral onlookers who did not help either competitor, FNJ, OoL, Harry and/or Freeling should finish off the judging.
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| May 28, 2014, 11:25 pm
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I feel like Halhi had a better boat, with many details and such. But, you had incredible minifigures and you also had amazing boats...soooo. My vote goes tooooo

Gilbert!
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| May 29, 2014, 2:18 am
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My vote goes to Halhi.
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| May 29, 2014, 6:35 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Freeling sent me a tirade by email. I haven't been sworn at in a while, so it was refreshing. Apparently some responsible soul changed the password before I could go and play peacekeeper with a coup of my own - anyone want to come forward?

The prankster has been caught and banned. We are unsure who the account belongs to, but with the help of some LOM players we cracked the code. I personally believe it was Reynolds as he said something to me in private chat about it. We are not completely sure though.
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| May 29, 2014, 8:21 am
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So, who wants to be thrown into the fire and takeover Gilbert's point keeping job when he his leaves? I've already done it once and failed, Caleb isn't active enough, Freeling is free, Ool is also a bit inactive....that leaves David. Or we could choose from the mods. Any takers?
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| May 29, 2014, 8:23 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Freeling sent me a tirade by email. I haven't been sworn at in a while, so it was refreshing. Apparently some responsible soul changed the password before I could go and play peacekeeper with a coup of my own - anyone want to come forward?

Password for what? What happened?
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| May 29, 2014, 8:47 am
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Quoting ~ Brick
So, who wants to be thrown into the fire and takeover Gilbert's point keeping job when he his leaves? I've already done it once and failed, Caleb isn't active enough, Freeling is free, Ool is also a bit inactive....that leaves David. Or we could choose from the mods. Any takers?

Ya know, David figured out how to replace a comment with your own. Theoretically, anyone could edit the points.

I could do it regularly.
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| May 29, 2014, 8:48 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Password for what? What happened?

Neat Chat bussiness.
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| May 29, 2014, 10:11 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Ya know, David figured out how to replace a comment with your own. Theoretically, anyone could edit the points.
That would be extremely useful, how do you replace a comment?
As for the points I think each person can take care of their own points. It works in my faction group.

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| May 29, 2014, 12:53 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
So, who wants to be thrown into the fire and takeover Gilbert's point keeping job when he his leaves? I've already done it once and failed, Caleb isn't active enough, Freeling is free, Ool is also a bit inactive....that leaves David. Or we could choose from the mods. Any takers?

I'm with OoL on this - people will have to start tracking their own, unless we move to some fabulous new website that tracks them for us. Each player can post a page that consists of a list of their builds, the point values for each and the total number of points. They can then post a link to that page in the PotP thread. All the official scorekeeper(s) would have to do is add up the totals and sort the links by faction, maybe occasionally checking for adding errors.

A bonus of this system is that, with everyone having their own HTML-friendly lists of badges for completing major challenges. It would be fun to keep track of achievements like that, and maybe, when we change up the ranks, one of them could let people complete challenges they missed as flashback freebuilds to collect all the badges. Just a thought.
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| May 29, 2014, 1:12 pm
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To replace Gilbert's comment for points:
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1182625

I'm up for people keeping track of their own points and we just add them up periodically to see where the factions stand and see who are the "top points people" per faction/overall
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| May 29, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
So, who wants to be thrown into the fire and takeover Gilbert's point keeping job when he his leaves? I've already done it once and failed, Caleb isn't active enough, Freeling is free, Ool is also a bit inactive....that leaves David. Or we could choose from the mods. Any takers?

Heh. Even if I was active enough, I learned from the Insurgency that it is awful to do :P
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| May 29, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens

Not sure about the badges (though maybe) everyone keeping track of their own points is good. The only trouble would be that we would have to assume that people would be honest. I think we wouldn't have too much trouble, though.
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| May 29, 2014, 1:38 pm
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Anyone else getting cheated by the homepage? MY last two creations get enough likes (more than others on the homepage) and no bad ratings, but both ended up getting taken off. It sucks :(
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| May 29, 2014, 1:43 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I'm with OoL on this - people will have to start tracking their own, unless we move to some fabulous new website that tracks them for us. Each player can post a page that consists of a list of their builds, the point values for each and the total number of points.
Wait you want everyone to post a page same as they would for a MOC? That's very interesting. Is their something wrong with just using comments though, other than not being able to have badges?

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| May 29, 2014, 1:59 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
What do you mean "taken off the homepage"?

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| May 29, 2014, 2:01 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
To replace Gilbert's comment for points:
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1182625
That's incredible! How does it work?

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| May 29, 2014, 2:04 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Caleb R.
What do you mean "taken off the homepage"?

The MOCpages' "Everyone's LEGO creations"
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| May 29, 2014, 2:27 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Not sure about the badges (though maybe) everyone keeping track of their own points is good. The only trouble would be that we would have to assume that people would be honest. I think we wouldn't have too much trouble, though.

Yeah, we have people like Halhi that'll keep people in their place if they try to do something and they don't have enough points for it. That's the only time we really need to verify it (we could require links to the MOC) if someone is doing something where points are needed.
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| May 29, 2014, 2:34 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend

Let me see if this works.

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| May 29, 2014, 2:35 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Quoting The Object of Legend
That's incredible! How does it work?
Well, it works because the system does not check if the person editing a comment is actually the person who wrote the comment in the first place.

I tried to edit yours real quick

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| May 29, 2014, 3:14 pm
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Wow. That was easy!
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| May 29, 2014, 3:14 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Wow. That was easy!

Yeah...now don't go wreaking havoc on groups now XD
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| May 29, 2014, 3:21 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
On second thought... I agree with you. Perhaps Gilbert will be a gentleman and withdraw from the actual takeover?

I'll let Mythron keep Meids. It would still be fun to do the MOC-battle - Mythron's finest against Rainos' best - if my entry wins the MOC-off, but I can call it off. One thing, though - Is it too much to ask for a consolation prize for Rainos if I win the MOC-off? Think of all the planning - all the MOCs it took to reach city-attack rank - the two extra months of waiting while Mythron finished the Tourney and the MA - the critiques on the builds for the MOC-off. The city attack thread specifies a twenty-point addition to a faction's points for capturing a city and thirty more points for returning it to its owner. I think thirty points might be in order for winning only the opening MOC-off and dropping the attack.

All the same, the best solution that I have heard offered is for every faction to be allowed one city attack under the old system, so Mythron can revenge itself if it so chooses. I would still give Meids back if Rainos successfully captured it, though.
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| May 29, 2014, 4:40 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
All the same, the best solution that I have heard offered is for every faction to be allowed one city attack under the old system, so Mythron can revenge itself if it so chooses. I would still give Meids back if Rainos successfully captured it, though.

I agree, I think every faction should have the oppurtunity to through some dirt on the ohter ones. But there is a slight problem....we have 5 factions. That means one faction has to go threw two city attacks and nobody wants that.
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| May 29, 2014, 4:43 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
I agree, I think every faction should have the oppurtunity to through some dirt on the ohter ones. But there is a slight problem....we have 5 factions. That means one faction has to go threw two city attacks and nobody wants that.

Unless factions don't want to attack now and so it would just be called off
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| May 29, 2014, 4:49 pm
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I doubt if Enalica will use theirs. We're mostly working toward allies atm.
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| May 29, 2014, 5:00 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I doubt if Enalica will use theirs.

Same with Nerogue - we'd rather solidify our position on the mainland than worry about gathering an army and attacking some city.
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| May 29, 2014, 5:04 pm
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I say we reform the city attacks now, before anyone gets started. You want another moc-off to revenge your defeat? We can use the castle-attack system. It'll be a while before Enalica uses its attack, and whoever attacks Enalica or an outlaw besides Kai will almost certainly win.
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| May 29, 2014, 5:39 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I'm with OoL on this - people will have to start tracking their own, unless we move to some fabulous new website that tracks them for us. Each player can post a page that consists of a list of their builds, the point values for each and the total number of points.
Wait you want everyone to post a page same as they would for a MOC? That's very interesting. Is their something wrong with just using comments though, other than not being able to have badges?

Yes, I can see another problem with comments. This is what that would look like:

Outlaw player
MOC
MOC
MOC
Rainosian Player
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
Question about points
Outlaw Player
MOC
Outlaw Player
MOC
MOC
Benhamin talking about disco balls
Nerogue Player
MOC
MOC
MOC
Mythronian Player
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
Bragging about points
Nerogue Player
MOC
MOC
Mythronian Player
MOC
MOC
MOC
Outlaw Player
MOC
MOC
Enalican Player
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC
MOC

This is what the same information would look like with links posted, then copied and into the top comment:

Outlaws
Link
Link
Link
Link
Mythron
Link
Link
Rainos
Link
Nerogue
Link
Link
Enalica
Link

Question about points
Disco balls
Bragging
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| May 29, 2014, 6:02 pm
Okay, so the city attack ends now, the winner of the MOC-off gets to feel good and the Rainosian attack on Meids will be called off at some point during the story this month. How about a point bonus for Rainos for winning the MOC-off, should said victory come to pass?
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| May 29, 2014, 6:07 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Okay, so the city attack ends now, the winner of the MOC-off gets to feel good and the Rainosian attack on Meids will be called off at some point during the story this month. How about a point bonus for Rainos for winning the MOC-off, should said victory come to pass?

I say that's fair. Would 10 points, double the amount of a UC, be fair considering the effort both parties put in?

Speaking of points... I'd like to do the coming point update, just to see how it goes.
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| May 29, 2014, 6:09 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I say that's fair. Would 10 points, double the amount of a UC, be fair considering the effort both parties put in?

Speaking of points... I'd like to do the coming point update, just to see how it goes.

Since I have no device that can do the job, you're welcome to it. Good luck!
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| May 29, 2014, 6:49 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Okay, so the city attack ends now, the winner of the MOC-off gets to feel good and the Rainosian attack on Meids will be called off at some point during the story this month. How about a point bonus for Rainos for winning the MOC-off, should said victory come to pass?

A good excuse to call off the attack on Meids as far as the story goes would be the civil war. Or we even just preparations for it. Or even negotiations so that it won't happen (even though it will :P)
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| May 29, 2014, 7:33 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens

Solid LOL from me there :P Good point though.
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| May 29, 2014, 7:41 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Quoting Gilbert Despathens

Solid LOL from me there :P Good point though.

Then people can disable comments on that MOC.
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| May 29, 2014, 8:00 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
The MOCpages' "Everyone's LEGO creations"
Humm... I wonder if I've ever been on there.

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| May 29, 2014, 8:31 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I tried to edit yours real quick

But there's no edit button on other people's comments. So how do you do it? I need to know for my faction group.
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| May 29, 2014, 8:33 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
But there's no edit button on other people's comments. So how do you do it? I need to know for my faction group.

Click "edit" one on of your comments, then click "permalink" on the comment you want to edit. Study the URLs, and experiment with them. Experimenting is how every hack on MOCpages was discovered :P
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| May 29, 2014, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Click "edit" one on of your comments, then click "permalink" on the comment you want to edit. Study the URLs, and experiment with them. Experimenting is how every hack on MOCpages was discovered :P

All about the copying and pasting :P
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| May 29, 2014, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
All about the copying and pasting :P

Or you can type random numbers, and replace a comment on some 2009 Star Wars group. That's fun, too :D
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| May 29, 2014, 11:02 pm
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I tell you, going through all the LOM creations, I feel like Odin, sitting on his all-seeing throne. Where else can you find misspelled titles, an "LOM charhacter introduction," a moc called "Attacking The Black lutos," and this bit of prose:

"My relishing thoughts on the wealth and power attainable from this room was cut short as a... Dwarf! Was thrust through the unduly undecorated entrance and collided viscously with the fountain started bleeding at a fast pace, the water turning into his blood."

Some of this stuff is better than the Eye of Argon.
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| May 29, 2014, 11:17 pm
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First copy the link location of one of your comments in a given thread and paste it (but don't hit enter) into the search bar (the one where you'd search stuff on google).
It should look something like this. The number1 and nuber2 are numbers like 98274
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=number1&id=number2


Second, hover over the reply link that is where the comment you want to replace is. Look at the bottom left corner of your screen and you should see something like:
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=number1&topicid=number2&reply=number3


Third, replace number2 from the link you pasted into your search bar with number3 that you saw at the bottom left of your screen when you hovered over the comment that you wanted to replace.
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| May 30, 2014, 11:21 am
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Quoting David FNJ
Thank you! I think I got it working now.

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| May 30, 2014, 12:19 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Some of this stuff is better than the Eye of Argon.

An impressive feat, I must say. I read part of that book. AWFUL!
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| May 30, 2014, 1:17 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
An impressive feat, I must say. I read part of that book. AWFUL!

It added a new level of understanding to my love of the Discworld series.
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| May 30, 2014, 2:34 pm
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What do y'all think of the point organization now? It's set up so that each faction has a separate comment for points, so you can instantly view a specific faction's points by clicking on its permalink from the top comment.
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topic=88813

Oh, and thanks to the anonymous donor of the red banner :P
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| May 30, 2014, 9:46 pm
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What, precisely, did we decide about entering a moc in GoH and LOM? I understood the rule was that a contest entry in one could only be a freebuild in the other, but Infy's UC was entered first last night for the main challenge in GoH.
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| May 30, 2014, 9:53 pm
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Quoting Thoms of Tortuga
What do y'all think of the point organization now? It's set up so that each faction has a separate comment for points, so you can instantly view a specific faction's points by clicking on its permalink from the top comment.
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topic=88813

Oh, and thanks to the anonymous donor of the red banner :P

Looks great!
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| May 31, 2014, 12:55 am
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Soooo apparently that personality quiz I made a few months back has been taken over 3,000 times...

http://www.helloquizzy.com/quizzy/profile/Renagraed/

Bottom one
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| May 31, 2014, 1:53 am
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Quoting Caleb R.
Soooo apparently that personality quiz I made a few months back has been taken over 3,000 times...
http://www.helloquizzy.com/quizzy/profile/Renagraed/
Bottom one
When I click the button at the end to see the result, nothing happens.

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| May 31, 2014, 6:22 am
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Caleb R.
Soooo apparently that personality quiz I made a few months back has been taken over 3,000 times...
http://www.helloquizzy.com/quizzy/profile/Renagraed/
Bottom one
When I click the button at the end to see the result, nothing happens.

Weird. Never happened to me. :P

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| May 31, 2014, 7:45 pm
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Hey guys, I need some feedback for a project of mine.

I recently made a comic, called Anarchy. I posted the first issue online on a website (you might have seen from flickr). I was wondering if you guys could proof read everything before I post it to MOCpages.

anarchycomic.weebly.com
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| May 31, 2014, 7:47 pm
Quoting Thom�s of Tortuga
What, precisely, did we decide about entering a moc in GoH and LOM? I understood the rule was that a contest entry in one could only be a freebuild in the other, but Infy's UC was entered first last night for the main challenge in GoH.

I think an entry is okay if it was a) designed and built in the month of our challenge and b) it was intended for use in the LOM from the start.
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| May 31, 2014, 9:25 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
Hey guys, I need some feedback for a project of mine.

I recently made a comic, called Anarchy. I posted the first issue online on a website (you might have seen from flickr). I was wondering if you guys could proof read everything before I post it to MOCpages.

anarchycomic.weebly.com

All it will show me is the cover.
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| May 31, 2014, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
All it will show me is the cover.

anarchycomic.weebly.com

Did you click the "Click to read"? on the homepage?
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| May 31, 2014, 10:24 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
anarchycomic.weebly.com

Did you click the "Click to read"? on the homepage?

I read the comic. It's definitely identifiable as your style, but it seems a lot more thought-out than your previous stop-motions or series, and I appreciate the details like gathering supplies from the store and the crowbars smashing through the windows.

Just curious, but what do you expect to use the "Donations!" you get for? I'm guessing Weebly gave you a button to add that donate link? :P
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| May 31, 2014, 10:57 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I read the comic. It's definitely identifiable as your style, but it seems a lot more thought-out than your previous stop-motions or series, and I appreciate the details like gathering supplies from the store and the crowbars smashing through the windows.

Just curious, but what do you expect to use the "Donations!" you get for? I'm guessing Weebly gave you a button to add that donate link? :P

Thanks, Thomas! I think I'll add a comment about where the money will go. You won't be the last to ask, I'm guessing.

I actually found the donate button on a different comic site and thought it would be a good idea, so I added it.

The money goes to buying the program I use to edit the speech bubbles (I'm on a free trial at the moment), and if somehow I get more than that, I'll be buying specific LEGO pieces with it.
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| May 31, 2014, 11:16 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Thanks, Thomas! I think I'll add a comment about where the money will go. You won't be the last to ask, I'm guessing.

I actually found the donate button on a different comic site and thought it would be a good idea, so I added it.

The money goes to buying the program I use to edit the speech bubbles (I'm on a free trial at the moment), and if somehow I get more than that, I'll be buying specific LEGO pieces with it.

Aha. I suppose that's a worthy cause.
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| May 31, 2014, 11:18 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Aha. I suppose that's a worthy cause.

I hope other people think so too :)

Oh, did you notice any typos throughout the comic or website? I read everything 3 or 4 times, but I still could have missed some.
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| May 31, 2014, 11:22 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I hope other people think so too :)

Oh, did you notice any typos throughout the comic or website? I read everything 3 or 4 times, but I still could have missed some.

I didn't see any.
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| May 31, 2014, 11:43 pm
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I'm thinking about resigning...
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| May 31, 2014, 11:58 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
I'm thinking about resigning...

Why??
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| June 1, 2014, 12:03 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I didn't see any.

Sweet
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| June 1, 2014, 12:03 am
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Quoting Caleb R.
Why??

IM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE *COUGH* AND THEIR STUPID CRITIQUES.
I'm just blowing off steam....
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| June 1, 2014, 12:04 am
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Quoting ~ Brick
IM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE *COUGH* AND THEIR STUPID CRITIQUES.
I'm just blowing off steam....

I know the feeling. Who though?
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| June 1, 2014, 12:06 am
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Quoting ~ Brick
IM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE *COUGH* AND THEIR STUPID CRITIQUES.
I'm just blowing off steam....

And this is another reason to pick the safe, friendly mods in the election :P

Seriously, though, if you don't want constructive feedback, then don't post in LOM. Post on Flickr, and you'll get plenty of "Great work on the wall!" and "This is a Gold Award! Nice Shot!" comments. Post in LOM, and you'll get honest feedback that will always give you the chance to improve. That's the main reason why I'm in GoH, and why I quit LOR- constructive feedback/lack of.

Yeah, I guess I needed to blow some off also :P
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| June 1, 2014, 12:19 am
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Quoting ~ Brick

It has been said that one's attitude toward criticism is their attitude toward wisdom.
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| June 1, 2014, 7:14 am
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting ~ Brick

It has been said that one's attitude toward criticism is their attitude toward wisdom.

It has also been said that when one uses caplocks, one stops caring about wisdom.
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| June 1, 2014, 9:18 am
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting ~ Brick

It has been said that one's attitude toward criticism is their attitude toward wisdom.

I understand that last night's outrage was a bit over the top. I'm just annoyed because I really did try my best. Just for example though, Halhi suggested I take some detail pieces from the back wall and move them to the front wall....he doesn't seem to understand that is a days work. He expects me to remodel things like I can just move wall elements like Jenga! Also, I apparently have unlimited resources; I do not. I might have a bigger collection then some, but when I told him repeatedly I didn't have more green plates...he kept telling me have boring the flat landscape was. And then he does the whole, "Make the build smaller, add more detail." While I could make it smaller, I enjoy having a bigger landscape...especially when I NEED the room for a battle!

I suppose my true issues lie not with the critiques, but the lack of though that I actually did try to do my best. It is extremely discouraging to put fourth your best effort to have it cruelly rejected without care.
It's especially annoying when some people leave comments with the problems but no solutions. Even the Black Heart Halhi does that!
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| June 1, 2014, 9:26 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
And this is another reason to pick the safe, friendly mods in the election :P

Seriously, though, if you don't want constructive feedback, then don't post in LOM. Post on Flickr, and you'll get plenty of "Great work on the wall!" and "This is a Gold Award! Nice Shot!" comments. Post in LOM, and you'll get honest feedback that will always give you the chance to improve. That's the main reason why I'm in GoH, and why I quit LOR- constructive feedback/lack of.

Yeah, I guess I needed to blow some off also :P

I do want feedback, but something that actually helps me. Thomas, telling me everything wrong with my UC and giving me no solutions is not constructive criticism but destructive criticism.
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| June 1, 2014, 9:29 am
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Quoting ~ Brick
I do want feedback, but something that actually helps me. Thomas, telling me everything wrong with my UC and giving me no solutions is not constructive criticism but destructive criticism.

Solutions? Add texture and detail to the parts that need it. If you don't have the pieces, then you shrink the build or buy more until it looks the way you want it to. That's my constructive advice, feel free to ignore it.

Oh, and I know how you feel. I was extremely proud of my R3 Tourney build- it had great rockwork, a rich story, and a unique concept of a river of blood. Then, I posted it and 2 out of 3 comments were only saying "That red curtain in the middle looks terrible." Nevertheless, I liked it, and so I've kept it intact for almost three months. Try not to let yourself be affected when people don't approve of your build- none of it's personal. If it was really a plot to make you feel terrible about yourself, why would Halhi still be in your faction?
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| June 1, 2014, 9:39 am
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Quoting ~ Brick
I suppose my true issues lie not with the critiques, but the lack of though that I actually did try to do my best. It is extremely discouraging to put fourth your best effort to have it cruelly rejected without care.
It's especially annoying when some people leave comments with the problems but no solutions. Even the Black Heart Halhi does that!

I have to agree with that. Small is no fun. I want to build something bigger, usually bigger than I have the pieces for and I have to pull parts from everywhere to get it done. It's a lot of work. Then I post it and people say "Too bad you used those ugly wall panels and mountain pieces", "Those colors don't go together", "Flat ground is boring, you need hills", "Too bad that waterfall isn't clear. And the answer to all that: I wish I could. People, especially Halhi, want everything to fit their own style and how they would have done it. I know what it took to build the MOC and there's no way I'm going to change it and post it again.
I take note of anything I didn't know, but otherwise I just thank them for their comment.
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| June 1, 2014, 9:49 am
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Quoting ~ Brick

Here is the only way I have been able to get passed it. I used to hate the constructive critisism. Then I realized something: I have been on MOCpages for almost 4 years. I've improved a LOT, but honestly, there are people who have been here for 1 year that have improved more than me. Obviously, part of that is the collection you start with, but also, part of it was my attitude toward criticism.

Also, when people comment, they aren't expecting you to finish it right then, they're just telling you how to make it better NEXT time.
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| June 1, 2014, 10:32 am
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Quoting Thoms of Tortuga
What, precisely, did we decide about entering a moc in GoH and LOM? I understood the rule was that a contest entry in one could only be a freebuild in the other, but Infy's UC was entered first last night for the main challenge in GoH.

Personally, I'm fine with it. People have only so much time to build, and many exciting things may be happening in other medieval groups. If the build works with both challenges - then we are good. Taking separate pictures to fit with LOM and with GoH is fine by me. It's all about having fun building yes?

Of course it is preferred to have things built first for LOM, but I'd rather give people freedom to post whatever fits with a challenge here even if it is also used in another group.

I should note that I wouldn't have joined LoR if I thought it would be unacceptable to use LOM builds with different characters for it.
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| June 1, 2014, 2:52 pm
Quoting ~ Brick

I agree - critics can be unfeeling and don't always take the time to understand why someone's build is the way it is. I know this because I'm often guilty of it, and because I'm sick of Halhi telling me to use all sorts of bricks that I have never had. Look on the bright side - even the harshest criticisms can help you build your next shopping list. And please don't do a Freeling rage.
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| June 1, 2014, 3:14 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick

(If anything here is misspelled it is because I'm on my iPod and the words are really tiny on this screen)


I see both sides. On the one hand you want to be willing you consider/accept criticism to improve. On the other hand, you don't need to like criticism and not all criticism is helpful.

Speaking for myself, I usually won't criticize builds. Mostly because there is a collection to consider and because I assume that (if tere are people out there like me) if the builder really wants to improve his builds, then he will. Even when I do critique something, I (believe) always make the critiquing small and focused in one aspect, not the entire thing. In addition, I always couple it with some comment of how I like the build (I'd like to be more specific, but many times I'm not because I'm unsure how to put it or describe that little section that I like). In any case, I want to get better at pointing specific things that I like about the build. If you can't find something you like about the build and comment how you like the build, then don't comment is what I say.

My critiques are more expressed if I'm a judge. Otherwise, I know that if the person is serious about building and the he took the time to build, take decent photos, and present a nice post here, that he is already showing the effort needed to improve. He (if like me) will already be aware of issues with his build, and will know why those changes weren't made (collection, the size he wanted to do, time limit/deadline, etc.). For me, criticism is not fully expressed unless it is specifically asked for or if the creation is being judged (which is kind of like asking if you think of it).

Of course, then there are those that only seem to (or mostly) critique builds...my view is this - I already for the most part know what is wrong with my build, and if I had more time/pieces, it would have already been fixed.

I consider all criticism on my builds, but most (if not all) of them I already know about - and other parts of the build don't get mentioned that I myself critiqued beforehand after it was built.

To me, for the things that I comment on, I know that the people either put time and effort into it and I'd rather encourage that than tear it down by critiquing something that, if the person is serious about building, are already aware about - they, most of the time, are just looking for some affirmatioj from others to appreciate the work that they have done and expound on something cool that he did. If you want to improve, then you will find a way to improve. Yes, considering criticism is a part of that - but it is by no means the main way to improve.


I hope that that all was helpful, stay strong man - I've seen you improve a ton, and you're doing great!
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| June 1, 2014, 3:21 pm
Personally, I prefer a reminder of a flaw I've noticed already to a ”Wow, great work!” for two reasons. First, it shows that the commenter took the time to think about the build rather than glance, and second, it always helps me to know EXACTLY how much a flaw detracts from the build. Without the latter information, I might not be motivated to fix it in the future. :)
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| June 3, 2014, 3:50 pm
Quoting ~ Brick

Brick, I'd like to negotiate a withdrawal of troops from Meids. Can Bartok and Sadon do a crossover this month?
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| June 3, 2014, 3:53 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Personally, I prefer a reminder of a flaw I've noticed already to a ”Wow, great work!” for two reasons. First, it shows that the commenter took the time to think about the build rather than glance, and second, it always helps me to know EXACTLY how much a flaw detracts from the build. Without the latter information, I might not be motivated to fix it in the future. :)
Yeah, that is nice too - but I'd like it coming from people other than those who tend to point out things they don't like more often than not.

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| June 3, 2014, 4:21 pm
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This is somewhat of a strange question, but are the UCs too short? Or rather, do we have to many? I know it's hard for someone like myself to get even one quality Freebuild out in one month with a UC. Even with all the spare time I have. I can only imagine how hard it is for some of our older members that have even fewer hours of the week to build. What I'm basically asking is should we do UCs only every other month? And perhaps put an RC in between them? Some people might complain the story isn't moving fast enough without a monthly UC, but some good RCs good take care of that. Thoughts?
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| June 4, 2014, 12:08 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
This is somewhat of a strange question, but are the UCs too short? Or rather, do we have to many? I know it's hard for someone like myself to get even one quality Freebuild out in one month with a UC. Even with all the spare time I have. I can only imagine how hard it is for some of our older members that have even fewer hours of the week to build. What I'm basically asking is should we do UCs only every other month? And perhaps put an RC in between them? Some people might complain the story isn't moving fast enough without a monthly UC, but some good RCs good take care of that. Thoughts?

I know this would help me. I have been trying to build all week, but haven't been able to touch my bricks since Sunday.
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| June 4, 2014, 12:29 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
This is somewhat of a strange question, but are the UCs too short? Or rather, do we have to many? I know it's hard for someone like myself to get even one quality Freebuild out in one month with a UC. Even with all the spare time I have. I can only imagine how hard it is for some of our older members that have even fewer hours of the week to build. What I'm basically asking is should we do UCs only every other month? And perhaps put an RC in between them? Some people might complain the story isn't moving fast enough without a monthly UC, but some good RCs good take care of that. Thoughts?

You might be right. Let's do an RC next! That doesn't mean we can't give story updates - they just won't be in the challenge requirements.
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| June 4, 2014, 1:23 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
You might be right. Let's do an RC next! That doesn't mean we can't give story updates - they just won't be in the challenge requirements.

Agreed. In July we won't do a UC.
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| June 4, 2014, 1:26 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
Agreed. In July we won't do a UC.

Oh, and something else - could King Bartok meet with King Sadon at some point? They could meet somewhere north of Reedus (or in a magical meeting room sustained by their wizards, if need be). I'd like a chance to show negotiations for what's going to happen with Meids and a few other matters, if possible.
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| June 4, 2014, 1:53 pm
So, I had a chance to see a new player's thought processes firsthand today - my youngest brother, a ten-year-old, is signing up. I think he read part of the homepage and that's about it, but I briefed him on the factions and showed him where the quiz was. It was frightening how he went about making up a history for his character and choosing a faction.

The first or second question on the quiz is, ”Describe your character's childhood.” He thought for a second, and, even though my other brother had spent the previous two minutes describing how flat and cliche all of those dead-parent lone-warrior backstories in the LOM and the Insurgency are, he said, ”Well, my character's parents were killed by orcs, and then he was thrown in a nasty orphanage or something...” He's also motivated by revenge and personal profit, hates society and kills people who get in his way.

Now we get on to the factions. Rainos? Never mind the love of freedom and that rugged barbarian class, those guys are too /messy/. Mythron? He doesn't like being om the all-powerful ”good guy” team. Nerogue? No, justice doesn't interest him. Enalica was sort of a blank. Exotic places, a moderate political climate and near-total freedom were overshadowed by the last option, which practically won him over as soon as he saw its name. Outlaws. Never mind that they live above the arctic circle and their leadership is a crime ring, or even that it has far too many people already. As soon as he heard about a faction that was literally outside of the law, he saw his chance to have an antisocial character whose only contribution to society is killing other scum before they kill him.

Ugh. Despite all the work we've put into balancing the factions, there are still players who choose the most superficial options available. Enalica will always take second fiddle to easier-to-identify factions for these people:
”Some group that lives on islands and gets along with every faction? Never heard of something like that. But Rainos - they're like rebels, right, or barbarians. Mythron's the good guy kingdom. If I want to be a good Chri - er, citizen - with a pure heart, I should join Nerogue. The Outlaws sound like a lot of fun, though - I can post rainbow-colored MOCs of my character killing lots of people and orcs (because we all know that orcs aren't people) as an Outlaw and I won't really have to interact with anyone!”

As depressing as the truth is, I'm glad I finally know why the factions are balanced the way they are. Maybe it can help us. If we, hypothetically, changed ”the Outlaws” to ”the Organization”, those little kids would at least have to look around to find which faction offers the best chance to wander pointlessly and maybe pick up some inspiration in the process.
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| June 4, 2014, 4:39 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens

You brother seems, uh, violent.

But in all seriousness, I don't think the outlaws should become an organization. Perhaps we could make it sound less appealing? I don't know how though...
If we are going to turn into an organization, it should be mob of sorts. A few high-ranking thugs that have power because of fear.

That's my opinion on the matter.
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| June 4, 2014, 4:49 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
You brother seems, uh, violent.

But in all seriousness, I don't think the outlaws should become an organization. Perhaps we could make it sound less appealing? I don't know how though...
If we are going to turn into an organization, it should be mob of sorts. A few high-ranking thugs that have power because of fear.

That's my opinion on the matter.

I may have exaggerated here and there, throwing in some educated guesses based on the average LOM player - he's only a bit more violent than Kindle, really. Estimate a factor of two.
I also know that OoL has been trying to build up the mob aspect throughout his story line, so he might be up for a name change. I don't think that the serious Outlaw players are thrilled to have all the orphan axe-murderers in their faction any more than we are that the factions have been out of balance, too.

Going back to a more immediate concern, how about the comment I posted above my rant? Can Sadon and Bartok do a crossover?
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| June 4, 2014, 4:59 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Going back to a more immediate concern, how about the comment I posted above my rant? Can Sadon and Bartok do a crossover?

Honestly, how? It would be a miracle if Bartok even got to Sadon, and even then I doubt Sadon would not kill him.

But if you can make a good reason/excuse...sure!
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| June 4, 2014, 5:14 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
This is somewhat of a strange question, but are the UCs too short? Or rather, do we have to many? I know it's hard for someone like myself to get even one quality Freebuild out in one month with a UC. Even with all the spare time I have. I can only imagine how hard it is for some of our older members that have even fewer hours of the week to build. What I'm basically asking is should we do UCs only every other month? And perhaps put an RC in between them? Some people might complain the story isn't moving fast enough without a monthly UC, but some good RCs good take care of that. Thoughts?

Yes! Absolutely!
We need more RCs. They take less work on our part and provide a wider range of possibilities for the contestants.
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| June 4, 2014, 5:23 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Yes! Absolutely!
We need more RCs. They take less work on our part and provide a wider range of possibilities for the contestants.

Here Here!
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| June 4, 2014, 5:24 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
Honestly, how? It would be a miracle if Bartok even got to Sadon, and even then I doubt Sadon would not kill him.

But if you can make a good reason/excuse...sure!

Reason: Bartok was no fan of the Black Lotus, and he is offering a peace treaty that will get the Rainosian army out of Meids and promote some level of nonviolence between the two nations, at least for the next few months. They can meet halfway between Meids and Reedus in a pleasant plains castle abandoned when its lord fled from the BL. The kings go in with no weapons and they each leave a hundred guards outside. Since the area is so flat, there is no chance of an ambush. Safe and tantalizing enough?
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| June 4, 2014, 5:42 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens

Interesting. Very interesting. Enalica still remains undefined. We trade, we fight, we raid, but honestly, we kind of just act as a "catch-all". People who don't fit in the others but actually realize there are way too many Outlaws join us. Sadly, that's not very many people.
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| June 4, 2014, 5:44 pm
Additional reasons: Bartok's change in foreign policy could help set up the Rainosian civil war, it could count as a UC for one or both of us if the kings also talk about Nerogue's situation and I need some way to explain the cancellation of the attack on Meids in the story.
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| June 4, 2014, 5:47 pm
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I don't think we have to worry too much about the outlaws. The older the people are, the less likely they are to choose outlaws. And, we can block certain factions of new members for a while need be.
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| June 4, 2014, 5:52 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
Interesting. Very interesting. Enalica still remains undefined. We trade, we fight, we raid, but honestly, we kind of just act as a "catch-all". People who don't fit in the others but actually realize there are way too many Outlaws join us. Sadly, that's not very many people.

You could get your faction into a serious fight. Mythron and Rainos are halfway defined by their enmity, but Enalica kind of gets along and it's hard to explain that without making Enalica sound non-assertive. Maybe the next big deal could be Enalicans versus Outlaws.
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| June 4, 2014, 6:00 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Maybe the next big deal could be Enalicans versus Outlaws.

Sounds cool to me :D
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| June 4, 2014, 6:01 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
I don't think we have to worry too much about the outlaws. The older the people are, the less likely they are to choose outlaws. And, we can block certain factions of new members for a while need be.

We considered that a while ago, twice actually.
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| June 4, 2014, 6:02 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
I don't think we have to worry too much about the outlaws. The older the people are, the less likely they are to choose outlaws. And, we can block certain factions of new members for a while need be.
It is strange how most of the younger members choose Outlaws. Though the faction is huge, very few are active, skilled MOCers. I wouldn't be an Outlaw if I wasn't the faction leader, but I've modified my story to fit and quite like it now.
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| June 4, 2014, 6:02 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
You could get your faction into a serious fight. Mythron and Rainos are halfway defined by their enmity, but Enalica kind of gets along and it's hard to explain that without making Enalica sound non-assertive. Maybe the next big deal could be Enalicans versus Outlaws.

That's actually a really good idea. Think about it, both it's faction leader and moderator are big enemies of the Black Lotus. Black Lotus are associated a lot with the Outlaws. I think something could be worked in there.

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| June 4, 2014, 6:04 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David FNJ
I don't think we have to worry too much about the outlaws. The older the people are, the less likely they are to choose outlaws. And, we can block certain factions of new members for a while need be.
It is strange how most of the younger members choose Outlaws. Though the faction is huge, very few are active, skilled MOCers. I wouldn't be an Outlaw if I wasn't the faction leader, but I've modified my story to fit and quite like it now.

Hey, you're the only faction that's produced two highly-qualified candidates in the mod election. There's still hope for you yet. Oh, and I would have been a Mythronian if Rainos hadn't looked slightly shorthanded at the beginning of the game, and now I can wear my faction like a suit. Funny how that works.
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| June 4, 2014, 6:15 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
That's actually a really good idea. Think about it, both it's faction leader and moderator are big enemies of the Black Lotus. Black Lotus are associated a lot with the Outlaws. I think something could be worked in there.

Well, the Coordinators of the Organization have been strongly against the BL, too.
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| June 4, 2014, 6:16 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Hey, you're the only faction that's produced two highly-qualified candidates in the mod election. There's still hope for you yet. Oh, and I would have been a Mythronian if Rainos hadn't looked slightly shorthanded at the beginning of the game, and now I can wear my faction like a suit. Funny how that works.
Funny indeed, I was going for Mythron originally too.

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| June 4, 2014, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Well, the Coordinators of the Organization have been strongly against the BL, too.

So how do we start a war between them?
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| June 4, 2014, 6:23 pm
Quoting Caleb R.
So how do we start a war between them?

Well, Rainos already has some beef with the Outlaws (although mostly it's the other way around), so whatever fire you start we'll be ready with gasoline.
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| June 4, 2014, 6:45 pm
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Hmmm. Perhaps the Outlaws try to expand their "Mafia" type thing into Enalican lands?

I feel like the best way to start a feud (or war even) would be if the Outlaws did something REALLY bad to set the Enalicans off
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| June 4, 2014, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Hmmm. Perhaps the Outlaws try to expand their "Mafia" type thing into Enalican lands?
I feel like the best way to start a feud (or war even) would be if the Outlaws did something REALLY bad to set the Enalicans off

Why are you try to pit the Outlaw and pirates against each other? That's doesn't make any sense!

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| June 6, 2014, 1:32 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Caleb R.
Hmmm. Perhaps the Outlaws try to expand their "Mafia" type thing into Enalican lands?
I feel like the best way to start a feud (or war even) would be if the Outlaws did something REALLY bad to set the Enalicans off

Why are you try to pit the Outlaw and pirates against each other? That's doesn't make any sense!

Gilberts theory is that no one joins Enalica because we get no action. We're basically just pirates/traders who get along with everyone.
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| June 6, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Gilberts theory is that no one joins Enalica because we get no action. We're basically just pirates/traders who get along with everyone.

When did you ever get along with Mythron? Even a war with Rainos would be more logical than fighting the Outlaws. They're nowhere near each other.
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| June 6, 2014, 1:36 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
When did you ever get along with Mythron? Even a war with Rainos would be more logical than fighting the Outlaws. They're nowhere near each other.

Rainos is our sworn ally. We would never fight them. Plus, outlaws aren't just in outlaw territory. They're EVERYWHERE
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| June 6, 2014, 1:43 pm
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I'm sure someone else has tried this before, but I just tried it for myself.

Thank goodness it DIDN'T work. I tried to edit someone else's MOC (weird grammar, I know :P) using the same methods used to replace comments. It doesn't work.

WHEW :P
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| June 6, 2014, 1:45 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Rainos is our sworn ally. We would never fight them. Plus, outlaws aren't just in outlaw territory. They're EVERYWHERE

Pirates = Outlaws
Pirate leader was Outlaw
Outlaw leader was Pirate

There is no way a war between them could be even slightly reasonable.
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| June 6, 2014, 1:51 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
That would be sooo scary!

I'm messing around with other groups.

Can you do me a huge favor? When I request to join the outlaw group, accept me. You can kick me out as soon as you do, but just copy the link DIRECTLY after you approve it. I want to try and use it to get into other groups (I promise, I won't get back into the outlaws) :P
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| June 6, 2014, 1:52 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Pirates = Outlaws
Pirate leader was Outlaw
Outlaw leader was Pirate

There is no way a war between them could be even slightly reasonable.

Only if either Enalicans or Outlaws did something really bad to the other :P
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| June 6, 2014, 1:53 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Can you do me a huge favor?... :P

Fine, fine, this is all very interesting.
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| June 6, 2014, 1:55 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Fine, fine, this is all very interesting.

Alright, I requested.

Also, try to join this group, I want to see how the links work when I approve you

http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/14136
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| June 6, 2014, 1:56 pm
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Approve URL-
www.mocpages.com/group_members.php?id=23073&action=approve&who=61417

Remove URL-
www.mocpages.com/group_members.php?id=23073&action=remove&who=61417
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| June 6, 2014, 1:58 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
So, I had a chance to see a new player's thought processes firsthand today - my youngest brother, a ten-year-old, is signing up.

So, the Despathens clan consists of you, Sir If, and toad toad: correct? :P

I wish I could get my brother to join, but I very much doubt it.
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| June 6, 2014, 2:00 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Approve URL-
www.mocpages.com/group_members.php?id=23073&action=approve&who=61417

Remove URL-
www.mocpages.com/group_members.php?id=23073&action=remove&who=61417

Awesome!

I tried it. I'll show you what the result was. Disappointed though :(
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| June 6, 2014, 2:00 pm
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So, I tried it on Nerogue (sorry David, I would have removed myself had it worked anyhow).

http://images.mocpages.com/user_images/61417/1402077048m_SPLASH.jpg
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| June 6, 2014, 2:03 pm
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It said I was a member, but it didn't stick :/
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| June 6, 2014, 2:04 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
It said I was a member, but it didn't stick :/

So, you couldn't get in?
You can't edit other people's homepages either...
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| June 6, 2014, 2:05 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
It said I was a member, but it didn't stick :/

Me too:P
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| June 6, 2014, 2:05 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
Me too:P

What are you trying to do?
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| June 6, 2014, 2:07 pm
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Alright

So I also tried to "FORCE" people into a group by "approving" them even when they didn't request it. Also did not work :/
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| June 6, 2014, 2:08 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting The Object of Legend
What are you trying to do?

*cough* Spy on Rainosians*cough*
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| June 6, 2014, 2:09 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Caleb R.
It said I was a member, but it didn't stick :/

Wow, editing groups works!
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| June 6, 2014, 2:10 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
So I also tried to "FORCE" people into a group by "approving" them even when they didn't request it. Also did not work :/

Have you tried removing someone?
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| June 6, 2014, 2:11 pm
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I also tried to make myself a moderator. Didn't work. I must be missing something
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| June 6, 2014, 2:12 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting The Object of Legend
Wow, editing groups works!

It does? Make sure it's a group you're NOT in
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| June 6, 2014, 2:14 pm
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I tried promoting a demoting. Also a no go :/
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| June 6, 2014, 2:14 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Alright

So I also tried to "FORCE" people into a group by "approving" them even when they didn't request it. Also did not work :/

I don't think that is possible.
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| June 6, 2014, 2:15 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
Me too:P

The group has to be so that anyone can join before it'll "stick" ;)
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| June 6, 2014, 2:16 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
It does? Make sure it's a group you're NOT in

You can't remove people. It come up that they left, but they're still there.
I guess that's everything.
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| June 6, 2014, 2:17 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I'm sure someone else has tried this before, but I just tried it for myself.

Thank goodness it DIDN'T work. I tried to edit someone else's MOC (weird grammar, I know :P) using the same methods used to replace comments. It doesn't work.

WHEW :P

Yeah, I tried that too a while ago. Good thing that doesn't work :)
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| June 6, 2014, 2:17 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
You can't remove people. It come up that they left, but they're still there.

Permanently banning people works though

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| June 6, 2014, 2:18 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
So, I tried it on Nerogue (sorry David, I would have removed myself had it worked anyhow).

I'd rather you guys experiment on the Legends of Chima group (in case something gets messed up)

http://mocpages.com/group.php/21961

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| June 6, 2014, 2:20 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Permanently banning people works though

From a group you aren't an Admin in?

Also, how do you promote someone via links?
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| June 6, 2014, 2:21 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Quoting Caleb R.
So, I tried it on Nerogue (sorry David, I would have removed myself had it worked anyhow).

I'd rather you guys experiment on the Legends of Chima group (in case something gets messed up)

http://mocpages.com/group.php/21961

Yeah, I switched to the city branch of i brick, but this works too
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| June 6, 2014, 2:22 pm
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I edited the Chima group. I don't know if it stuck, since I can't see it :P
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| June 6, 2014, 2:23 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I edited the Chima group. I don't know if it stuck, since I can't see it :P

You did

Hey :D
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| June 6, 2014, 2:24 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
You did

Hey :D

EPIC!

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| June 6, 2014, 2:24 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
You did

Hey :D

I tried to edit it so anyone could join so I could slip in. Did not work
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| June 6, 2014, 2:26 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
From a group you aren't an Admin in?

Also, how do you promote someone via links?

Yup...should I ban Flare from the TFOL private club? Haha, I wouldn't do that...but I could XD

Uuum...I think it is risky saying it out in the open...
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| June 6, 2014, 2:26 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I tried to edit it so anyone could join so I could slip in. Did not work

Oh...how did you change it to

Hey :D

then?
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| June 6, 2014, 2:27 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Yup...should I ban Flare from the TFOL private club? Haha, I wouldn't do that...but I could XD

Uuum...I think it is risky saying it out in the open...

I figured out how to get into groups. SWEET :D

Also, you can email me :D
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| June 6, 2014, 2:27 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I figured out how to get into groups. SWEET :D

Also, you can email me :D

Nice. Just don't go and wreak havoc XD
I thought that you would get it eventually :)
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| June 6, 2014, 2:28 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Oh...how did you change it to

Hey :D

then?

I only wrote "HEY :D"

But then I set the settings so I could join. I joined, then made it so only by approval :D
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| June 6, 2014, 2:29 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Nice. Just don't go and wreak havoc XD
I thought that you would get it eventually :)

Perfect timing. I gtg now :P
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| June 6, 2014, 2:29 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
Permanently banning people works though

Oh, well. I can't figure out that one.
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| June 6, 2014, 2:30 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
But then I set the settings so I could join. I joined, then made it so only by approval :D

Yeah...scary stuff right there.

Anyone can essentially make any group publicly visible, look at secrets, contest categories, etc via looking at conversation threads and then make the group private again without anyone knowing what's up.

What's worse is that people can demote admins, but no one can promote anyone to admins besides admins....so any group could potentially lose all of its admins without anyone to replace them.
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| June 6, 2014, 2:33 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
What's worse is that people can demote admins, but no one can promote anyone to admins besides admins....so any group could potentially lose all of its admins without anyone to replace them.

That's bad.
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| June 6, 2014, 2:38 pm
 Group admin 
WARNING WARNING!

ANYONE can delete ANY group! I set up fake groups to test it. Someone could delete Lands of Mythron. This is dangerous.
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| June 6, 2014, 2:49 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
WARNING WARNING!

ANYONE can delete ANY group! I set up fake groups to test it. Someone could delete Lands of Mythron. This is dangerous.

I tried, only if you are an admin it works.
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| June 6, 2014, 4:04 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
I tried, only if you are an admin it works.

Thank goodness! If anyone could change it we'd have to go to Sean immediately!
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| June 6, 2014, 4:41 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
So, the Despathens clan consists of you, Sir If, and toad toad: correct? :P

I wish I could get my brother to join, but I very much doubt it.

Yep. Sir If has been critiquing my Western minifigure lineup and Toad Toad has been posting his title pics upside-down to ”attract viewers”. Sir If will gain custody of my Lego collection from August through November, but I'd appreciate it if someone would give Toad Toad some tips.
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| June 6, 2014, 5:23 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Yup...should I ban Flare from the TFOL private club? Haha, I wouldn't do that...but I could XD

Uuum...I think it is risky saying it out in the open...

I've never run into Flare, although I have picked up on some smack. Who is he and what's he like?
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| June 6, 2014, 5:26 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I've never run into Flare, although I have picked up on some smack. Who is he and what's he like?

He's interesting. A pretty nice guy, though he take the TFOLPC WAAAY too seriously.
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| June 6, 2014, 5:31 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I've never run into Flare, although I have picked up on some smack. Who is he and what's he like?

He just has an ego and a very interesting staff in his group (generally unfriendly staff I'd say).
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| June 6, 2014, 5:35 pm
So... Before everyone started sabotaging the Chima fans' playground, we were talking about Enalicans versus Outlaws. Maybe Enalica versus Nerogue would work better? I'm just throwing ideas out.
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| June 6, 2014, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
So... Before everyone started sabotaging the Chima fans' playground, we were talking about Enalicans versus Outlaws. Maybe Enalica versus Nerogue would work better? I'm just throwing ideas out.

I wrote a comment/rant about this, but it has yet to come through.

Definitely not Enalica vs. Nerogue, considering that most of the related staffers are in favor of an alliance. Enalica vs. Mythron would work, if we didn't have a Mythroinian sympathizer in our midst. Enalica vs. Rainos is unlikely, unless Enalica helps the various sides in the civil war. Enalica vs. Outlaws has been overruled, and an Enalican civil war doesn't seem to me like a good idea to hold so close to Rainos'.
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| June 6, 2014, 7:09 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
Thank goodness! If anyone could change it we'd have to go to Sean immediately!

Oh, good! I was worried!
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| June 6, 2014, 7:46 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Here's an idea. Enalica vs. everyone... and they win! What a way to boost membership!

This is what I'm thinking... (Back in a sec)

I REALLY hope "they" doesn't refer to the everyone else :P
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| June 6, 2014, 7:54 pm
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Here's an idea. Enalica vs. everyone... and they win! What a way to boost membership!

This is what I'm thinking. Something is found on an Enalican island that all the factions claim and Enalica has to defend their land: politically against Mythron and Rainos, with navy against Nerogue, and with anti-spies against the Outlaws.
The coveted thing could be a relic, temple, treasure, anything really. This is just a base idea but I think we can build on it.

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| June 6, 2014, 8:03 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I REALLY hope "they" doesn't refer to the everyone else :P

Nope. They refers to you pirates.
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| June 6, 2014, 8:04 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Here's an idea. Enalica vs. everyone... and they win! What a way to boost membership!

This is what I'm thinking. Something is found on an Enalican island that all the factions claim and Enalica has to defend their land: politically against Mythron and Rainos, with navy against Nerogue, and with anti-spies against the Outlaws.
The coveted thing could be a relic, temple, treasure, anything really. This is just a base idea but I think we can build on it.

Brick Likes! :)
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| June 6, 2014, 8:31 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Here's an idea. Enalica vs. everyone... and they win! What a way to boost membership!

This is what I'm thinking. Something is found on an Enalican island that all the factions claim and Enalica has to defend their land: politically against Mythron and Rainos, with navy against Nerogue, and with anti-spies against the Outlaws.
The coveted thing could be a relic, temple, treasure, anything really. This is just a base idea but I think we can build on it.


Interesting problem. Here are the two biggest difficulties that I see.

1) People might not buy it. People like Halhi will see it as it is and call it a ploy to get Enalica more members.

2) It's not realistic that 3 active members (basically) can fend off the rest of the members combined.

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| June 6, 2014, 8:49 pm
Quoting Caleb R.

Interesting problem. Here are the two biggest difficulties that I see.

1) People might not buy it. People like Halhi will see it as it is and call it a ploy to get Enalica more members.

2) It's not realistic that 3 active members (basically) can fend off the rest of the members combined.

1) At least if he wins the election he can voice his complaints in the staff group and keep the plot intact for the members. I think if we pull it off right, we could keep the killjoys quiet.
2) Good point. However, previous attempts to sway membership has worked on a couple cases. Look at Nerogue - even if didn't pull away as many Outlaws as we would have liked, it did attract plenty of members. Mythron had a similar story - we set out to make it more attractive through the BL saga and it worked. Admittedly, people joined it because it was the hard-pressed underdog rather than an old and powerful monarchy fighting for its lost glory, but it caught up with Nerogue. Enalica also had a membership spike when much of the action was taking place on Worsan, although it was brand-new at the time.

Anyway, the point is that Enalica can be the star simply by hosting the challenge on one of its islands. Members from all factions blunder about in foreign lands while the few-but-clever Enalicans snatch up treasure before the others even see it, staying ahead of the race so to speak. You don't have to win a battle, just pick up loot and look good.
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| June 7, 2014, 3:31 am
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Quoting Caleb R.
1) People might not buy it. People like Halhi will see it as it is and call it a ploy to get Enalica more members.
2) It's not realistic that 3 active members (basically) can fend off the rest of the members combined.

Here's how it works. It's one faction versus the rest, not 3 members. As you can see in my previous post, none of the factions are attacking directly.

Mythron is trying to reinforce their claim through law and diplomacy.

Rainos know it's the 'big brother' in their alliance and is trying to leverage that.

Nerogue believes they have full right to the 'thing' and goes to retrieve it, which leads to a confrontation on the seas.

Outlaw go in covertly to try to steal the 'thing', so Enalican land forces have to find the spies and stop them.
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| June 7, 2014, 6:17 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Anyway, the point is that Enalica can be the star simply by hosting the challenge on one of its islands.

This is all about making them the star without making more enemies. If we succeed some Outlaws might switch to Enalica. If the two sides are made enemies though, they probably won't.
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| June 7, 2014, 6:23 am
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Hey, maybe for the RC in July, it could be more politically centered. It's been a while since we've done anything with the Mythron/Rainosian politics.
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| June 7, 2014, 7:41 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
1) At least if he wins the election he can voice his complaints in the staff group and keep the plot intact for the members. I think if we pull it off right, we could keep the killjoys quiet.
2) Good point. However, previous attempts to sway membership has worked on a couple cases. Look at Nerogue - even if didn't pull away as many Outlaws as we would have liked, it did attract plenty of members. Mythron had a similar story - we set out to make it more attractive through the BL saga and it worked. Admittedly, people joined it because it was the hard-pressed underdog rather than an old and powerful monarchy fighting for its lost glory, but it caught up with Nerogue. Enalica also had a membership spike when much of the action was taking place on Worsan, although it was brand-new at the time.

Anyway, the point is that Enalica can be the star simply by hosting the challenge on one of its islands. Members from all factions blunder about in foreign lands while the few-but-clever Enalicans snatch up treasure before the others even see it, staying ahead of the race so to speak. You don't have to win a battle, just pick up loot and look good.

OK. So maybe July can be diplomacy and Nerogue getting land; August can be a Gold Rush RC set in Enalica; and September, the civil war starts. Sounds like a plan to me.
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| June 7, 2014, 8:56 am
Quoting ~ Brick
Hey, maybe for the RC in July, it could be more politically centered. It's been a while since we've done anything with the Mythron/Rainosian politics.

I think Mythron and Rainos should take their seats for a while and let someone else have the stage. We can still work on something outside of the challenges, like those proposals I made for the meeting between the kings. If you have a chance, I'd appreciate it if you took a look at those.
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| June 7, 2014, 1:22 pm
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I like the idea presented here.

I think it should be something much more valuable than gold if all of the factions are desperate for it.

One final thing that may difficulty would be that no one will be willing to show their character not succeeding in retrieving whatever it is.
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| June 7, 2014, 1:27 pm
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I'd love to stay and talk about all of this exciting stuff, but our family decided to go on an impromptu vacation from Tuesday-Thursday. So I won't be back till Friday (so sorry I didn't get a chance to voice my ideas yet in the rank thread).

Because of that, I have to do some extra school before then, so I won't have much time to be on MOCpages till Friday (I should still be able to check on my iPod occasionally though).

I just wanted to give you all a heads up, see you guys next Friday! (maybe I'll comment on some things on my iPod, but don't count on it)
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| June 7, 2014, 1:38 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
I like the idea presented here.

I think it should be something much more valuable than gold if all of the factions are desperate for it.

One final thing that may difficulty would be that no one will be willing to show their character not succeeding in retrieving whatever it is.

I think we should just have this as a fun, one-month RC set in Enalica. We say that gold was discovered, some people go find some and others take a break, and we can get back to heavy diplomacy and tension in the fall. We don't need to play it up as "The desire of all the world has been found!", just say "There's gold in them thar hills" and let it go from there. In addition, having an RC will let us run a rogue challenge for Nerogue at the same time, if we wanted to.
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| June 7, 2014, 5:21 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I think we should just have this as a fun, one-month RC set in Enalica. We say that gold was discovered, some people go find some and others take a break, and we can get back to heavy diplomacy and tension in the fall. We don't need to play it up as "The desire of all the world has been found!", just say "There's gold in them thar hills" and let it go from there. In addition, having an RC will let us run a rogue challenge for Nerogue at the same time, if we wanted to.

That may be true, but the whole point was to get new Enalican members. If it is just a small RC filler for the fun of it (it WOULD be fun), that's okay, but it won't really accomplish the original goal.
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| June 7, 2014, 5:25 pm
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I'll quick put in my vote.

I like the idea of something more valuable than gold in Enalica, and I'd rather see it as something that affects all of the factions where they all send a few ships to gets some of the goodies. However, Enalica is much different than it once was, and they aren't about to let factions take what they claim to be "theirs." This could open it up to how Nerogue allies with them because they eventually agree with Enalica that it is theirs and Enalica isn't just a bunch of organized outlaws/pirates/raiders.

The factions find out too late that they should have sent more ships ;)


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| June 7, 2014, 5:52 pm
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Quoting David FNJ
I'll quick put in my vote.

I like the idea of something more valuable than gold in Enalica, and I'd rather see it as something that affects all of the factions where they all send a few ships to gets some of the goodies. However, Enalica is much different than it once was, and they aren't about to let factions take what they claim to be "theirs." This could open it up to how Nerogue allies with them because they eventually agree with Enalica that it is theirs and Enalica isn't just a bunch of organized outlaws/pirates/raiders.

The factions find out too late that they should have sent more ships ;)


So we fend off the rest of the factions? I like it :)
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| June 7, 2014, 6:49 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
So we fend off the rest of the factions? I like it :)

Yep. The trader and the Masked, together against the world :P


You know, I'm not sure if we need something more valuable than gold. Diamonds got everybody to Guaire last year, and gold would be a valuable resource without altering anything in gameplay or the future.

When do you want to do this? After the civil war? I see what you mean about making it a longer challenge, but what's going to happen exactly? How does this sound:
Enalican Rogue Challenge- GOLD! On an Enalican island, the priceless metal has been discovered. Show yourself finding the treasure before anyone else comes.

The next month's UC- After the discovery of gold deposits in Enalica, all the factions want to seize them for themselves. Travel to Enalica to start up a rival mine or take some of the collected gold.

Nerogue RC- Enalica is beset with foes, trying to steal the gold that is rightfully theirs. Your mission is to aid Enalica and help them take back their treasure.
Enalica RC- With the aid of Nerogue, you are able to withstand the intrusions of the other factions. Show yourself being aided by Neroguians to protect your gold; or, show yourself using your treasure for the good of Enalica.
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| June 7, 2014, 7:36 pm
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OT, but could somebody please invite this fellow to LOM? http://mocpages.com/home.php/6823
He has better-than-average builds, is fairly active on MOCpages, and seems to enjoy storytelling.
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| June 7, 2014, 9:46 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
OT, but could somebody please invite this fellow to LOM? http://mocpages.com/home.php/6823
He has better-than-average builds, is fairly active on MOCpages, and seems to enjoy storytelling.

Done
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| June 8, 2014, 12:05 am
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga

This sounds good. It might be a good idea to do AFTER the civil war. The only problem with that is that I suspect the civil war will take more than a month. I also suspect that the outcome of the war will effect the dynamics of the game, certainly by at least a little.
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| June 8, 2014, 12:06 am
My three cents' worth:

A ”fun” challenge will be just as attractive for new members as a combat challenge, and, as the name suggests, more fun for the current players.

Having Enalicans collect the resource in an RC and then having everyone else choose between mining their own and stealing it from the Enalicans is a bad idea. That makes Enalica look weak, and it doesn't even give them an underdog bonus because a) they had the first shot at getting the loot, and b) they already look weak based on points and members.
A wrap-up RoC, on the other hand, brings attention back to Enalica while the rest of the world is doing something else and shows people that Enalica is in a position to wrap up.

If Enalica wants to make friends, we should make this into an RC - maybe even next month's. That way Enalica isn't fighting people off (although its explorers may be outsmarting the foreigners), and we don't have to explain how one small faction can hold off the world.
This also blocks any factions from insinuating themselves as big brothers and protectors of the innocent (coughNeroguecough) and saves Rainos from being caught in an embarrassing situation where it has to act as a big brother to its equal ally. Hasn't anyone noticed that that sounds just like the US and its ”police actions” in oil-producing countries? Yuck.

I think some lost temples could be fun, full of magical artifacts and traps and undead. Maybe that could be our stand-in for gold, and the Rogue Challenge could explain what the artifacts are good for.
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| June 8, 2014, 12:38 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens

So basically, we make it for Enalicans only?

That DOES put the focus on Enalica. However, it also doesn't put as much focus. People from other factions probably won't even bother to read or even glance at the challenge. New members are even LESS likely to. I don't think it will really boost Enalica though. Maybe in points by a bit, but unlikely in membership.
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| June 8, 2014, 12:56 am
Quoting Caleb R.
So basically, we make it for Enalicans only?

That DOES put the focus on Enalica. However, it also doesn't put as much focus. People from other factions probably won't even bother to read or even glance at the challenge. New members are even LESS likely to. I don't think it will really boost Enalica though. Maybe in points by a bit, but unlikely in membership.

What? No! I was suggesting that everyone goes for magical temples at once (not waging war for them), and Enalica is entrusted with tying up loose ends later as befits an important and capable faction. Enalicans might be able to pull this off with more grace since they're at home, but everyone is in on it.
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| June 8, 2014, 2:27 am
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
What? No! I was suggesting that everyone goes for magical temples at once (not waging war for them), and Enalica is entrusted with tying up loose ends later as befits an important and capable faction. Enalicans might be able to pull this off with more grace since they're at home, but everyone is in on it.

Ah, okay. I like that
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| June 8, 2014, 10:53 am
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I'm leaving Sunday to work at summer camp, so I will not be able to run the points for the next 9 weeks. Here are the links to edit them.

Overall:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1182625

Mythron:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1289895

Rainos:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290144

Outlaws:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290162

Nerogue:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290185

Enalica:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290188

Members list:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290192

As your lawyer, I would advise one person edits all the points at once, or I think there's going to be a huge mess in the top comment and somebody will get missed.
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| June 13, 2014, 11:08 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I'm leaving Sunday to work at summer camp, so I will not be able to run the points for the next 9 weeks. Here are the links to edit them.

Overall:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1182625

Mythron:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1289895

Rainos:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290144

Outlaws:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290162

Nerogue:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290185

Enalica:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290188

Members list:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation_FORM.php?groupid=22392&id=1290192

As your lawyer, I would advise one person edits all the points at once, or I think there's going to be a huge mess in the top comment and somebody will get missed.

Have fun! I'll get them shipshape, don't worry.
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| June 14, 2014, 12:08 am
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| June 14, 2014, 8:29 pm
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