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Homepage Challenge Judging
Stephen Boe and Halhi 141:
http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/23851

White Hawk:
http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/23859

Joseph Tyer, Caleb R., Asad . and Gilbert Despathens (late):
http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/24016

Please pick your favorite first. After that we'll decide what features of each one to keep.
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| May 7, 2014, 12:14 pm
 Group admin 
Great entries from all! But I have to go with Stephen and Halhi.
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| May 7, 2014, 12:34 pm
 Group admin 
That was very freaky. I was reading the homepages, and I automatically read Gilbert's entry and thought "this is good, this is good, this is good once you standardize the point descriptions." Then, I read White Hawk's and thought "he misspelled this, this isn't a complete sentence, Rainos doesn't do that." Then, I was looking back over the entries one more time, and I noticed that White Hawk's text sounded a lot like Gilbert's. "That cheater! He literally copied Gilbert's entire entry!" I thought as I checked back and forth.



Then, I noticed that Gilbert had accidentally linked to White Hawk's entry twice, once as White Hawk's and once as his own. Wow.
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| May 7, 2014, 12:47 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
That was very freaky. I was reading the homepages, and I automatically read Gilbert's entry and thought "this is good, this is good, this is good once you standardize the point descriptions." Then, I read White Hawk's and thought "he misspelled this, this isn't a complete sentence, Rainos doesn't do that." Then, I was looking back over the entries one more time, and I noticed that White Hawk's text sounded a lot like Gilbert's. "That cheater! He literally copied Gilbert's entire entry!" I thought as I checked back and forth.



Then, I noticed that Gilbert had accidentally linked to White Hawk's entry twice, once as White Hawk's and once as his own. Wow.

Funny how expectations can shift perceptions. I don't think Brick noticed. I fixed the link now.
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| May 7, 2014, 1:29 pm
 Group admin 
You know, I like some aspects of each one actually.
None really stood out as amazing, but if I were to choose one, I'd go with Team Piglot

White Hawk's:
- Has that (even though probably unintentionally) bluish background to the page. I don't like that strong of a color, but I like the non-whiteness to it.
- Where LOM map is located

Halhi's and Stephen's:
- The Getting Started section is great
- LOM map is in a good location
- The History section was pretty good (except now just take out who Mythron's king is)
- How the HTML banner code is very easy to use and at/near the bottom of the homepage
- How building styles were mentioned in the breakdown of the factions
- How the faction banners were displayed with the faction breakdown

Team Piglog:
- The styling was nice
- Directory links were near the top of the page
- The descriptions of the factions were great
- The links to wiki page and faction group homepages was great
- Links to spy rank, guild leader etc were great



I would like to combine the elements that I liked from each entry and present another homepage that is stylized with CSS (now that I know quite a bit) if you guys are up for it.
Check out this group's homepage (scroll to the bottom) to see the kinds of things I'm thinking about.
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| May 7, 2014, 6:14 pm
Quoting David FNJ
I would like to combine the elements that I liked from each entry and present another homepage that is stylized with CSS (now that I know quite a bit) if you guys are up for it.
Check out the homepage (scroll to the bottom) to see the kings of things I'm thinking about.

WHAT?! I could have sworn that MOCpages gave me a nasty error notice when I last tried to use CSS, but I'm kind of glad it works. This revision you mentioned sounds good, but right now the appearance of your charts isn't working for me.
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| May 7, 2014, 6:34 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
WHAT?! I could have sworn that MOCpages gave me a nasty error notice when I last tried to use CSS, but I'm kind of glad it works. This revision you mentioned sounds good, but right now the appearance of your charts isn't working for me.

Yeah, I still have to fix that for safari browsers (and maybe Mozilla too)
CSS in mocpages groups are annoying because you can't use the CSS selectors. To make CSS work, do your opening tag (like div or span - NOT style) and then add your styles

<div style="text-align: center; border-radius: 4px;">content</div>
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| May 7, 2014, 9:29 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting David FNJ
Yeah, I still have to fix that for safari browsers (and maybe Mozilla too)
CSS in mocpages groups are annoying because you can't use the CSS selectors. To make CSS work, do your opening tag (like div or span - NOT style) and then add your styles

<div style="text-align: center; border-radius: 4px;">content</div>

Aw man, that box looks sweet! If the whole homepage looked that professional...
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| May 7, 2014, 10:02 pm
 Group admin 
Ok, so after further review, here's my $0.02.

Team Piglot has dead-on faction briefs- each one sums up the faction quickly, without being propagandizing or apathetic like the current ones. (I also love the wiki inclusion :P)

It's a good idea to keep the map front and center, since that's easily our most recognizable feature.

The main critique I have, that Halhi's entry fixes, is that Piglot's is too long. I see why you added the fancy fonts, but they get overwhelming after a while. If they were saved for a few main headers, I think they'd do a better job of keeping things organized.

Of course, who knows what white magic of CSS David's going to dream up for the homepage :P
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| May 7, 2014, 10:10 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Aw man, that box looks sweet! If the whole homepage looked that professional...

It makes me wish my iPad supported Dreamweaver. That was what I was trained on.
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| May 7, 2014, 10:12 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Yeah, I still have to fix that for safari browsers (and maybe Mozilla too)
CSS in mocpages groups are annoying because you can't use the CSS selectors. To make CSS work, do your opening tag (like div or span - NOT style) and then add your styles

<div style="text-align: center; border-radius: 4px;">content</div>

Hmm, I'm in Safari right now on my iPad. Back to the main topic, do you have fonts and graphics that would give it a fantasy feel?
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| May 7, 2014, 10:14 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Hmm, I'm in Safari right now on my iPad. Back to the main topic, do you have fonts and graphics that would give it a fantasy feel?

I know that Internet Exporer isn't very good for CSS stuff. I did something to the -webkit- thing but didnt change the ones for -moz- (I'll check when I'm on my computer again, CSS stuff is very messy without the advantage of using a style sheet.

Anyway, to your question, fonts are very tricky because not all browsers support them. Rather, we could have our headers and such be jpg pictures made with gimp or photoshop an then use some other font for the content.

What would be really nice is to have some sort of background picture for the whole page (that would look the best for fantasy). Then have the fancy picture headers and then a somewhat different font type than the usual.

One we have the background image (one that can be duplicated without seams), then the different divs can be styled so that it would match te fantasy look.

I'll search for some fonts that we could use. What's needed next for the fantasy feel is some sort of mapish picture (you know, off-white and sort of rough texture)
Without the background image, you'd pretty much be going for the modern feel.
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| May 7, 2014, 10:51 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Aw man, that box looks sweet! If the whole homepage looked that professional...

Thanks!
I could be working on it during this month, I'll just need to work on some sort of background picture, I'll take the ideas/layout from the entries and then just stylize it. I'll invite you guys to the group I made for it tomorrow so you can put in your additions if you wanted to (if you wanted to learn CSS as well, I could type up some comments there if you'd like)
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| May 7, 2014, 10:56 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Anyway, to your question, fonts are very tricky because not all browsers support them. Rather, we could have our headers and such be jpg pictures made with gimp or photoshop an then use some other font for the content.

What would be really nice is to have some sort of background picture for the whole page (that would look the best for fantasy). Then have the fancy picture headers and then a somewhat different font type than the usual.

One we have the background image (one that can be duplicated without seams), then the different divs can be styled so that it would match te fantasy look.

I'll search for some fonts that we could use. What's needed next for the fantasy feel is some sort of mapish picture (you know, off-white and sort of rough texture)
Without the background image, you'd pretty much be going for the modern feel.

I know! I had two image-manipulators on my team, but we didn't get any images like that made. If I had had a device with Photoshop and time to use it, I would have made all of the headings and subheadings into some sort of medieval patterns with white around the edges to blend in with the background. Even that could have done a lot.

One problem I have with background images is, even if they are the best for the situation, is that MOCpages is fussy about background tags. I could only to get those to work by putting everything in a table and then dealing with the alignment issues. Do you know a way to get around that sort of trouble?
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| May 7, 2014, 11:05 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Thanks!
I could be working on it during this month, I'll just need to work on some sort of background picture, I'll take the ideas/layout from the entries and then just stylize it. I'll invite you guys to the group I made for it tomorrow so you can put in your additions if you wanted to (if you wanted to learn CSS as well, I could type up some comments there if you'd like)

I'd love some basic CSS lessons. I had a lousy webpage design class, and we always had Adobe CS4 to make the coding easier to deal with when we were actually working.
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| May 7, 2014, 11:07 pm
I think we will need to put in a new homepage in the interim, anyway. Would moving the map to the top of the Piglot entry and putting the visible faction banners by their factions help, or should there be some more "Getting Started" and history information than my team had?
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| May 7, 2014, 11:10 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens

One problem I have with background images is, even if they are the best for the situation, is that MOCpages is fussy about background tags. I could only to get those to work by putting everything in a table and then dealing with the alignment issues. Do you know a way to get around that sort of trouble?

I think just having one large main div tag like this would solve the problem, because I used it for the slight background gradient that is at the bottom of the homepage goes from white to light gray and then back to white.

It would look something like this (I'll try it out tomorrow to test it (iPod + HTML = not fun):
<div style="background-image: url(image.jpg); width: 750px;"> all of the rest of the page including other div tags and such </div>
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| May 7, 2014, 11:28 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I think we will need to put in a new homepage in the interim, anyway. Would moving the map to the top of the Piglot entry and putting the visible faction banners by their factions help, or should there be some more "Getting Started" and history information than my team had?

For now, I vote just post the piglot entry as it was entered but somewhere stating how other elements of the other pages will be added to it in the future along with stylizing it. (Basically their content/text will be used, but then we'll make it look nicer as a static page (since it's on mocpages, no JavaScript, no drop-down menus, and no hover features (mouse over something and something happens besides what you see with links)
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| May 7, 2014, 11:32 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I'd love some basic CSS lessons. I had a lousy webpage design class, and we always had Adobe CS4 to make the coding easier to deal with when we were actually working.

Okay cool! It's really quite cool what can be done with CSS.
Just know that using it on MOCpages is messy because the CSS has to be mixed with the HTML and that some things you may want to do may not be possible on MOCpages (aka no stand-alone style tags...)

I'll invite you to the group tomorrow along with writing up some CSS stuff in the comments there in the context of how you'd use it here on MOCpages.

See you guys tomorrow!
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| May 7, 2014, 11:38 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Team Piglot has dead-on faction briefs

It's a good idea to keep the map front and center, since that's easily our most recognizable feature.

Double score :D
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| May 7, 2014, 11:43 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Ok, so after further review, here's my $0.02.

Team Piglot has dead-on faction briefs- each one sums up the faction quickly, without being propagandizing or apathetic like the current ones. (I also love the wiki inclusion :P)

It's a good idea to keep the map front and center, since that's easily our most recognizable feature.

The main critique I have, that Halhi's entry fixes, is that Piglot's is too long. I see why you added the fancy fonts, but they get overwhelming after a while. If they were saved for a few main headers, I think they'd do a better job of keeping things organized.

Of course, who knows what white magic of CSS David's going to dream up for the homepage :P

Who gets your vote? There are points on the line.
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| May 8, 2014, 8:35 am
 Group admin 
I vote for White Hawk. More a of the information people wonder a lot about then the first, but much clearer than the third entry.
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| May 8, 2014, 2:45 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Who gets your vote? There are points on the line.

Piglot.
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| May 8, 2014, 4:29 pm
Vote tally!
Stephen and Halhi: 0
White Hawk: 1
Team Piglot: 2

Brick, I didn't count your vote because the links were wrong - if you used them, you looked at Stephen and Halhi's entry, then two of White Hawk's.
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| May 8, 2014, 6:04 pm
 Group admin 
Have the corrections been made? If so, I still vote for S and H.
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| May 8, 2014, 6:46 pm
Vote tally
Stephen and Halhi: 1
White Hawk: 1
Team Piglot: 2


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| May 8, 2014, 7:32 pm
So... Of these three, Piglot wins?
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| May 19, 2014, 3:30 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
So... Of these three, Piglot wins?

I think so, we've waited plenty long IMO
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| May 19, 2014, 9:59 pm
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