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I would like your guys Ideas on categories. Remember they are not specific. It is like build a scene from you favorite sci fi book. Not Build a star wars build from one of the Extended universe books.
To start R1 I was thinking just 3 broad categories.
Fantasy
Mystery
Modern Warfare
Thoughts and comments!
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| July 24, 2013, 10:31 am
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I like this idea, though I would suggest adding one more category to the Round 1 list: Mythology.
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| July 24, 2013, 10:40 am
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Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
I would like your guys Ideas on categories. Remember they are not specific. It is like build a scene from you favorite sci fi book. Not Build a star wars build from one of the Extended universe books.
To start R1 I was thinking just 3 broad categories.
Fantasy
Mystery
Modern Warfare
Thoughts and comments!

I feel like these are a tad too broad, they kind of encompass 98% of all MOCs and aren't specific enough to the competition. What if you had categories like Modern literature, Classic literature, and 1800's literature? (Or something like that.)
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| July 24, 2013, 10:40 am
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
I feel like these are a tad too broad, they kind of encompass 98% of all MOCs and aren't specific enough to the competition. What if you had categories like Modern literature, Classic literature, and 1800's literature? (Or something like that.)

Ooh, I like it!
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| July 24, 2013, 10:41 am
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
I feel like these are a tad too broad, they kind of encompass 98% of all MOCs and aren't specific enough to the competition. What if you had categories like Modern literature, Classic literature, and 1800's literature? (Or something like that.)

I like that!
So like Maybe you do like this better?
Category 1: 1800s Literature
Category 2: Mythology
Category 3: Poems About Nature
I think 3 categories is a good amount.

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| July 24, 2013, 10:44 am
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Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
I like that!
So like Maybe you do like this better?
Category 1: 1800s Literature
Category 2: Mythology
Category 3: Poems About Nature
I think 3 categories is a good amount.

That's good, I think.
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| July 24, 2013, 10:45 am
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Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
I like that!
So like Maybe you do like this better?
Category 1: 1800s Literature
Category 2: Mythology
Category 3: Poems About Nature
I think 3 categories is a good amount.

I definitely like the first two, I question whether "Poems About Nature" is mainstream enough for the first round though. It definitely opens up a lot of potential for landscapers, though, and there are a lot of nature poems...
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| July 24, 2013, 10:46 am
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
I definitely like the first two, I question whether "Poems About Nature" is mainstream enough for the first round though. It definitely opens up a lot of potential for landscapers, though, and there are a lot of nature poems...
By Mainstream what do you mean?
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| July 24, 2013, 10:48 am
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
I like that!
So like Maybe you do like this better?
Category 1: 1800s Literature
Category 2: Mythology
Category 3: Poems About Nature
I think 3 categories is a good amount.

You could through in scifi literature...

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| July 24, 2013, 10:55 am
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Quoting The Beetle
You could through in scifi literature...

Yeah I was thinking about that because some sci fi builders may not participate if thats all they build
So instead of nature maybe we add like some scifi category. I don't know how to unbroaden that category though. i don't want it that broad.
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| July 24, 2013, 10:58 am
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Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
Yeah I was thinking about that because some sci fi builders may not participate if thats all they build
So instead of nature maybe we add like some scifi category. I don't know how to unbroaden that category though. i don't want it that broad.

How about War of the Worlds? Just shrink it to that.
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| July 24, 2013, 11:18 am
Quoting A Sargent
How about War of the Worlds? Just shrink it to that.

Or 20,000 leagues under the sea...you could make it book specific.
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| July 24, 2013, 12:18 pm
Quoting The Beetle
Or 20,000 leagues under the sea...you could make it book specific.

Meh, I think narrowing it down to books is too specific.
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| July 24, 2013, 12:21 pm
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Though it might discourage sci-fi builders from joining, perhaps we should limit sci-fi to later rounds. This way, we can designate builders specific books in the science fiction genre and don't have to worry about shrinking a very general category to something more manageable. Besides, works of literature can be interpreted hundreds of different ways; for example, a poem about nature might inspire a Hobbit hole in the mind of one builder and a sci-fi landscape in the mind of another.
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| July 24, 2013, 1:02 pm
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
I would like your guys Ideas on categories. Remember they are not specific. It is like build a scene from you favorite sci fi book. Not Build a star wars build from one of the Extended universe books.
To start R1 I was thinking just 3 broad categories.
Fantasy
Mystery
Modern Warfare
Thoughts and comments!

Sci-Fi!
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| July 24, 2013, 1:12 pm
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
Yeah I was thinking about that because some sci fi builders may not participate if thats all they build
So instead of nature maybe we add like some scifi category. I don't know how to unbroaden that category though. i don't want it that broad.

I still think you need to have a fantasy category
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| July 24, 2013, 1:14 pm
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I agree with AM on the interpretation may be the key thing. The sci fi could be interpreted in any of the categories.
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| July 24, 2013, 1:35 pm
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Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
I agree with AM on the interpretation may be the key thing. The sci fi could be interpreted in any of the categories.

Thanks, though if we are going for that aspect we might not want to specify dates in all the categories--maybe just one like Josh suggested. For example, mythology could be seen as the mythology of any alien planet, whereas 1800s Literature is pretty much... 1800s Literature. It's planet-limited, so to speak, so it'd be good to keep that to a single category and leave the others as open as possible.
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| July 24, 2013, 3:30 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
I feel like these are a tad too broad, they kind of encompass 98% of all MOCs and aren't specific enough to the competition.

Modern literature,

Classic literature,

1800's literature?




Mr. Ravenchist.

I just joined about 2 minutes ago, this is the first thread I read, and you took the words right out of my mouth.

Use the word "Literature" then think about "Literary" catagories.

Not graphic novels.
Not comic books.
Not vidio games.
Not pop culture.

Make it harder! Stuff like:

Greek Classics.

American Lit 101 (The Scarlet Letter, Of Mice and Men, The Grapes of Wrath...).

English Lit 101 (Shakespeare and his buddies).

Poetry 101 (I heard a tap tap tapping on my chamber door...)

Intro to Literature of World Religions (Scenes from the Bible, the Koran, the Talmud...)

Political Literature 101 (scenes from the Communist Manifesto, the U.S. Bill of Rights, or the Magna Carta).

Enough with Halo, Mine craft, COD, and My Little Pony! No mas! No Star Wars, no Super Heroes, no Johnny Depp!

Make it hard, and you will be astounded with what builders come up with!

Not that all the pop-culture stuff is bad... but as you already mentioned... it constitutes like 95% of the MOCs out there already!

So I encourage you guys to take this in a less popular but more challenging direction.

Attack!



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| July 24, 2013, 4:00 pm
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Quoting Michael Rutherford



Mr. Ravenchist.

I just joined about 2 minutes ago, this is the first thread I read, and you took the words right out of my mouth.

Use the word "Literature" then think about "Literary" catagories.

Not graphic novels.
Not comic books.
Not vidio games.
Not pop culture.

Make it harder! Stuff like:

Greek Classics.

American Lit 101 (The Scarlet Letter, Of Mice and Men, The Grapes of Wrath...).

English Lit 101 (Shakespeare and his buddies).

Poetry 101 (I heard a tap tap tapping on my chamber door...)

Intro to Literature of World Religions (Scenes from the Bible, the Koran, the Talmud...)

Political Literature 101 (scenes from the Communist Manifesto, the U.S. Bill of Rights, or the Magna Carta).

Enough with Halo, Mine craft, COD, and My Little Pony! No mas! No Star Wars, no Super Heroes, no Johnny Depp!

Make it hard, and you will be astounded with what builders come up with!

Not that all the pop-culture stuff is bad... but as you already mentioned... it constitutes like 95% of the MOCs out there already!

So I encourage you guys to take this in a less popular but more challenging direction.

Attack!



Those are some brilliant ideas, Mr. Rutherford! Thanks! I think those are some amazing ideas for the qualifier!
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| July 24, 2013, 4:10 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford

My thoughts exactly. I really don't consider anything from pop culture to be literature. None of those have stood the test of time. But that is besides the point. Perhaps a good way to form categories would be by genre? Such as adventure, romance, mystery, and the like?
-LB Senior


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| July 24, 2013, 5:15 pm
Actually things from pop culture would most definitely be literature, as literature only means written works.



I don't think you should limit things to classics unless this is explicitly a classic literature contest.

Have some modern literature categories in there as well.
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| July 24, 2013, 6:46 pm
Quoting Ru Corder
True, I see your point and thanks for it. I only wanted to make sure that the contest wouldn't drift too far from the literature that we all know and understand as "classic." A couple categories that would leave room for modern works would be perfectly appropriate. I was only speaking my preference and view on the subject.
-LB Senior

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| July 24, 2013, 7:43 pm
 Group admin 
So, how does this sound for final Round 1 categories?

Greek Classics (Mythology)

Pop Culture

American Literature 101 (The Scarlett Letter, The Grapes of Wrath, Of Mice and Men)

1800's Literature

I tried to combine the categories we all gave.
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| July 24, 2013, 8:13 pm
Quoting A Sargent
So, how does this sound for final Round 1 categories?

Greek Classics (Mythology)

Pop Culture

American Literature 101 (The Scarlett Letter, The Grapes of Wrath, Of Mice and Men)

1800's Literature

I tried to combine the categories we all gave.


I like these, or at least the Greek one ;D

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| July 24, 2013, 9:33 pm
Quoting A Sargent
So, how does this sound for final Round 1 categories?

Greek Classics (Mythology)

Pop Culture

American Literature 101 (The Scarlett Letter, The Grapes of Wrath, Of Mice and Men)

1800's Literature

I tried to combine the categories we all gave.

Sounds exciting!, i especially like the greek one
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| July 24, 2013, 9:40 pm
1) Can I base my models on literature I wrote?

2) I think we should go big as our first round, also, this is a warm up round, so we can get a feel for the competition. I'm thinking a whole city scape! It's quite challenging, but I think we could pull it off in a week! Depends on the scale.

Also, will it be all one theme throughout the contest, like I'll be doing either a Post apocalyptic theme or a steampunk theme. What ever fits best.

And finally, are we aloud to dissemble our MOCs to make other MOCs for this contest?

Thanks!
Zproductions
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| July 24, 2013, 11:18 pm
Try to label categories by book themes themselves! like,
1800's
Sci-Fi
Horror!
Myth
Mystery
Children's books (Dr. SUSE) (that seems fun)
Manga
ect.

Also, the number of categories doesn't matter if it's like this. because it limits to books, but not TOO much that it's only one book.
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| July 24, 2013, 11:25 pm
Quoting Ru Corder
Actually things from pop culture would most definitely be literature, as literature only means written works.



I don't think you should limit things to classics unless this is explicitly a classic literature contest.

Have some modern literature categories in there as well.



Mr. Corder.
I totally agree that modern stuff can be literature. I mean everything we call "classic" today was "Modern" when it was written right?

The reason I nay say the modern or pop culture as a focus for this group is not that they are not legitimate cultural topics.

Its just that there is already so much of it on the pages. Halo, Star Wars, and COD are all over the place.

Limiting the scope of the group give the group a stronger identity. It creates a stronger reason for being in THIS group as opposed to ANY OTHER group.

I think of it like grape soda. Nobody drinks grape soda on accident. If you are thirsty, you can drink ANYTHING (join ANY GROUP). But if you are in the mood for grape... then you gotta find GRAPE SODA (GRAPE GROUP).

The question is specialize or generify. We got plenty of generic on the pages.

Thatís the benefit of specialization.

No?

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| July 25, 2013, 8:54 am
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Quoting Michael Rutherford



First of All I want to say thanks to everyone for there Responses it has given me a lot to think about!
Second Thanks Michael for joining and giving advice that is exactly what I had hoped for!
Third about the categories....
No I did not want this to be a classic literature only but I also see what Michael says about the 95% of Mocs being pop culture. However Mr. Rutherford this is the first round. I am a little inexperienced in the art of running a contest but I feel as if it should be a bit simpler for those in R1. When we get into the Moc Off rounds Then I defiantly agree with you. Bring on the Classics but in order to get there is it better to go out of you comfort zone or is better to go in comfort zones?
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| July 25, 2013, 9:05 am
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Quoting Z productions
1) Can I base my models on literature I wrote?

2) I think we should go big as our first round, also, this is a warm up round, so we can get a feel for the competition. I'm thinking a whole city scape! It's quite challenging, but I think we could pull it off in a week! Depends on the scale.

Also, will it be all one theme throughout the contest, like I'll be doing either a Post apocalyptic theme or a steampunk theme. What ever fits best.

And finally, are we aloud to dissemble our MOCs to make other MOCs for this contest?

Thanks!
Zproductions

No Sir. It must be published. I should have probably specified that in the rules. No you can switch themes if you want. And as long as you make a new build each round I don't care how you go about it!

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| July 25, 2013, 9:08 am
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Quoting Michael Rutherford


If you were not planning on competing, (which I believe you were not with all you have going on in DA) Would you assume the role of Master of the Games? You would just tally peoples scores and post them at the end of a round. Also you would act as a tiebreaking judge. It comes with a free moderatorship :D

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| July 25, 2013, 9:12 am
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
it should be a bit simpler for those in R1.


Mr. O.

You make a very good point. Going easy in the early phases is a good way to build membership quickly. Once you have established your member population, you can progress to more demanding themes.
It is a tried and tested approach, and I think it will serve you well here.

Attack!

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| July 25, 2013, 2:09 pm
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.

Mr. O.

I appreciate the endorsement! But you are correct. I am barley keeping up with my responsibilities over on DA. My job is destroying my free time, and if it was not for Mr. Goldmanís help, I would be under water (way behind) right now.

As it is, I am only able to hang out and watch.

Sorry, but as much as I would like to accept the job offer, I must respectfully decline.

Attack!

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| July 25, 2013, 2:12 pm
You should add a category of Sci-Fi!
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| July 25, 2013, 2:33 pm
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Mr. Rutherford you will be invited to the Admin Category Discussion Group where the final decisions will be made. I would love your advice.
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| July 25, 2013, 2:39 pm
I would perhaps suggest certain writers as categories. Most authors write in many different genres allowing for a variety of builds.
Perhaps 3 authors from different time periods like Mark Twain, Raymond Chandler, and JK Rowling.
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| July 25, 2013, 9:00 pm
Quoting Grant W.
I would perhaps suggest certain writers as categories. Most authors write in many different genres allowing for a variety of builds.
Perhaps 3 authors from different time periods like Mark Twain, Raymond Chandler, and JK Rowling.

That would probably limit the choices of books to build from.
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| July 25, 2013, 9:31 pm
Quoting Stephen Boe
That would probably limit the choices of books to build from.

Not if you pick the right authors.

I think that'd be a good idea for one of the final rounds Grant, it'd be nice and tough.
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| July 25, 2013, 10:00 pm
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Quoting Ru Corder
I think that'd be a good idea for one of the final rounds Grant, it'd be nice and tough.

Agreed.
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| July 25, 2013, 10:08 pm
Quoting Ru Corder
Not if you pick the right authors.

I think that'd be a good idea for one of the final rounds Grant, it'd be nice and tough.

I also agree it would be tough, but how would you pick the authors?
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| July 25, 2013, 10:41 pm
Quoting Stephen Boe
I also agree it would be tough, but how would you pick the authors?

That'd be up to the judges. But plenty of authors (Shakespeare, HP Lovecraft, Ray Bradbury, Stephen King, and many more) have more than a sufficient amount of books to build from.
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| July 25, 2013, 10:53 pm
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The Specific Authors would be in the later rounds! The first round is supposed to be easy! :)
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| July 26, 2013, 9:17 am
Mr. O.

Could you Re-invite me? I hit the "No Thanks" by mistake... (dough!)
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| July 26, 2013, 10:12 am
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So what happens when there are books that already have LEGO themes, such as Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings?
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| July 27, 2013, 4:54 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Stormjay Rider
So what happens when there are books that already have LEGO themes, such as Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings?

You can interpret the book in any manner you wish, regardless of whether or not TLG has sold any sets inspired by it.
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| July 27, 2013, 7:52 pm
Try to label categories by book themes themselves! like,
1800's
Sci-Fi
Horror!
Myth
Mystery
Children's books (Dr. SUSE) (that seems fun)
Manga
ect.

Also, the number of categories doesn't matter if it's like this. because it limits to books, but not TOO much that it's only one book.
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| July 28, 2013, 10:02 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Z productions
Try to label categories by book themes themselves! like,
1800's
Sci-Fi
Horror!
Myth
Mystery
Children's books (Dr. SUSE) (that seems fun)
Manga
ect.

Also, the number of categories doesn't matter if it's like this. because it limits to books, but not TOO much that it's only one book.

Our thing is We also want this to be a bit challenging to the contestants. We don't want a whole bunch of people building fives because they get a category the are good at. We want a whole bunch of people building fives out of their comfort zones. Thanks for your opinion but I believe in the Private Judges Group we have come down to 3 categories based on the comments and concerns from all of those who participated in this thread!
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| July 29, 2013, 9:29 am
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