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Quoting Phaze .
Well, as the topic says, some of the Holidays (Christmas and Easter in paticular) are based on Pagan Beliefs. Let me Elaborate in a Point-by-point-esque way.

-Christmas was originally a Pagan Holiday meant to honor the Sun God (or something like that)
-No where in the Bible does it tell you to celebrate the Birth, and yet, in Leviticus
(Chapters 23-25, I believe) It tells you what Holidays to Celebrate (Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost,Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles, Last Great Day)
-Pretty Much the Same thing for Easter.
I could go into much more, but I won't as to spare more Drama. Feel free to debate this Topic.


I think Christmas began as Yuletide or something, to keep away the dark spirits or whatnot. Dunno the exact things about it.

But anyways, I have a feeling this could ignite something. Or better, get a lock from an admin, and a word saying to take it to the debate group.

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| August 2, 2009, 12:57 am
Quoting Elite Commander Marks CC-124
you are right you should listen to dr. gene scott he is wise!


Whom is that? Never heard of him...
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| August 2, 2009, 1:56 pm
Why should an admin lock this? If we are truly Christian aren't open to sugestions and ideas or at least opinions? If it is locked, then it is proven that tirany exists even here.
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| August 2, 2009, 3:54 pm
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Quoting Phaze .
Well, as the topic says, some of the Holidays (Christmas and Easter in paticular) are based on Pagan Beliefs. Let me Elaborate in a Point-by-point-esque way.

-Christmas was originally a Pagan Holiday meant to honor the Sun God (or something like that)
-No where in the Bible does it tell you to celebrate the Birth, and yet, in Leviticus
(Chapters 23-25, I believe) It tells you what Holidays to Celebrate (Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost,Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles, Last Great Day)
-Pretty Much the Same thing for Easter.
I could go into much more, but I won't as to spare more Drama. Feel free to debate this Topic.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Valentine's Day was made to get rid of a Roman festival that occured on that day celebrating the goddess of love. The Church established Valentine's Day to abolish this festival and let people celebrate the saints instead of a fake god. Eventually, the first festival bled through into Valentine's Day thus giving us our modern Valentines Day. Same thing happend with Easter and Christmas. Easter used to be a fertility holiday thus we now have rabbits and eggs on that holiday. Christmas was to celebrate the god of long life, but the Church once again made a Christian holiday there instead but the original practices bled through thus we have evergreen trees..
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| August 4, 2009, 1:47 pm
Quoting Commander Rusty
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Valentine's Day was made to get rid of a Roman festival that occured on that day celebrating the goddess of love. The Church established Valentine's Day to abolish this festival and let people celebrate the saints instead of a fake god. Eventually, the first festival bled through into Valentine's Day thus giving us our modern Valentines Day. Same thing happend with Easter and Christmas. Easter used to be a fertility holiday thus we now have rabbits and eggs on that holiday. Christmas was to celebrate the god of long life, but the Church once again made a Christian holiday there instead but the original practices bled through thus we have evergreen trees..


To quote Six from Battlestar Galactica: "Old gods die hard."

Quote should be self-explanatory.
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| August 4, 2009, 1:52 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I think Christmas began as Yuletide or something, to keep away the dark spirits or whatnot. Dunno the exact things about it.

But anyways, I have a feeling this could ignite something. Or better, get a lock from an admin, and a word saying to take it to the debate group.
no christmas was a druid holiday to honor the forest spirits

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| August 4, 2009, 10:17 pm
Quoting Phaze .
But, somewhere in the Bible, Somwhere in John, I believe, it specifically says not to cut down a tree and adorn it with Gold and sliver.


Well duh, because then some person-of-elastic-morals will come along and steal your moneytree.

So of course it says not to do so, it's just common sense.
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| August 4, 2009, 10:43 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Well duh, because then some person-of-elastic-morals will come along and steal your moneytree.

So of course it says not to do so, it's just common sense.


Areetsa, even I know that the Bible speaks a different way than we do. I hope you realize "silver and gold" means ornaments.
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| August 4, 2009, 10:51 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Areetsa, even I know that the Bible speaks a different way than we do. I hope you realize "silver and gold" means ornaments.


I'm fully aware of that.
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| August 4, 2009, 10:56 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

I'm fully aware of that.


Good. Just making sure we're on the same page here.
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| August 4, 2009, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Phaze .
But, somewhere in the Bible, Somwhere in John, I believe, it specifically says not to cut down a tree and adorn it with Gold and sliver.

To the extent of my knowledge it never says that, and I know for a fact the Bible NEVER says that in the John.
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| August 5, 2009, 11:09 am
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Quoting Phaze .
Quoting Commander Rusty
To the extent of my knowledge it never says that, and I know for a fact the Bible NEVER says that in the John.
Jeremiah 10:3-4


3 For the customs of the peoples are futile;
For one cuts a tree from the forest,
The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
4 They decorate it with silver and gold;
They fasten it with nails and hammers
So that it will not topple.

God just didn't want idol worship.
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| August 5, 2009, 1:20 pm
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Quoting Phaze .
Ok, now let me put this in a different way.

Where in the Bible is it said to Honor Christ's birth. Where in the Bible does it say to commemorate his Reserection?

Now, where in the Bible does it Command you to celebrate things like Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day.

To my Knowledge, you don't do most of those.

Where is it in the Bible that you are Commanded to only eat of the animals that chew the Cud?

To my knowledge, that's not the only meat you eat.

So you wouldn't want to worship the birth of your Savior? To second that, those holidays you mentioned are part of the old covenant, but since Jesus died and rose again "we have discarded the old and put on the new" to quote Paul. The reason God commanded the Israelites to not eat animals who don't "chew the cud" is because those animals could carry harmful diseases.
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| August 5, 2009, 1:31 pm
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Quoting Commander Rusty
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Valentine's Day was made to get rid of a Roman festival that occured on that day celebrating the goddess of love. The Church established Valentine's Day to abolish this festival and let people celebrate the saints instead of a fake god. Eventually, the first festival bled through into Valentine's Day thus giving us our modern Valentines Day. Same thing happend with Easter and Christmas. Easter used to be a fertility holiday thus we now have rabbits and eggs on that holiday. Christmas was to celebrate the god of long life, but the Church once again made a Christian holiday there instead but the original practices bled through thus we have evergreen trees..
no its the feast day of saint valintine

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| August 5, 2009, 1:33 pm
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Quoting Phaze .
But did God ever command us notp to sto keeping those Holy Days>>>

No, but he said we are free from the old covenant thus we need not celebrate those feasts. I now have to go.
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| August 5, 2009, 1:36 pm
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Quoting Phaze .
We need NOT. We need NOT celebrate Christmas, yet you do. We need NOT to celebrate Easter and yet you do.

Correct, we celebrate these cause we wish to honor our Savior. Conversation over.
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| August 5, 2009, 1:38 pm
This topic is kinda pointless.I don't know what pagan means but this is just becoming a big arguement.
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| August 5, 2009, 1:41 pm
Quoting spartan crusader fynn
This topic is kinda pointless.I don't know what pagan means but this is just becoming a big arguement.


Pagan refers to the religous beleifs before monotheism took hold, and the 3 major 'One God' religions took hold. like Greek and Roman ploytheism, or the Celtic practices.
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| August 5, 2009, 1:51 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Pagan refers to the religous beleifs before monotheism took hold, and the 3 major 'One God' religions took hold. like Greek and Roman ploytheism, or the Celtic practices.

Ok. Could you please comment about the politics topic in athiest lego builders and the scientology topic here.
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| August 5, 2009, 1:52 pm
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