Quoting Lt. John Harland
sure i love to argue you can choose the topic but i would like to argue the ethics/morals of war

Quoting Lt. John Harland
sure i love to argue you can choose the topic but i would like to argue the ethics/morals of war

Quoting Father Khal
ok ill start...

war is ok if you have a divine purpose behind the war e.g. to help the people of the invaded land, to save people, to reclaim lost ground etc.

Quoting Lt. John Harland
on how to kill the enemy it must be humane the use of gas for example bullets are faster and relatively painless you should never purposefully inflict pain and suffering

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But what if that lost ground was never yours to begin with? For example, nation 1 invades nation 2, nation 2 has a resistance movement that forces nation 1 out after many years. Nation 1 comes back even more powerful.

Quoting Father Khal
ok ill start...

war is ok if you have a divine purpose behind the war e.g. to help the people of the invaded land, to save people, to reclaim lost ground etc.

Quoting Father Khal
but what if your enemy are those of the undivine and purposly inflict pain and suffering? would it be rightfull to use biochemichal or yes even nuclear weapons then?

Quoting Lt. John Harland
so you cant be the aggressor

Quoting Lt. John Harland
nukes are fine as a last resort but never biochemical never

Quoting Father Khal
in the words of the cop they shouldnt have resisted in the first place lol

no i meant as in the sense of claiming rightful ground

Quoting Father Khal
biochemichal weapons are a poor mans nukes and has replaced gas

Quoting Lt. John Harland
what is rightful ground do mean like the Hebrews in the conquering of the land of canaan

Quoting Lt. John Harland
then he shouldnt try to fight a war

Quoting Lt. John Harland
what is rightful ground do mean like the Hebrews in the conquering of the land of canaan

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But what if that lost ground was never yours to begin with? For example, nation 1 invades nation 2, nation 2 has a resistance movement that forces nation 1 out after many years. Nation 1 comes back even more powerful.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oo... The Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a touchy one. I personally think they should just stop being so dead set they one is the good guy, one is the bad guy, and learn to live together.

Biochemical weapons are cheap. Biological weapons are even more cheap. Especially viruses.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oo... The Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a touchy one. I personally think they should just stop being so dead set they one is the good guy, one is the bad guy, and learn to live together.

Biochemical weapons are cheap. Biological weapons are even more cheap. Especially viruses.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oo... The Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a touchy one. I personally think they should just stop being so dead set they one is the good guy, one is the bad guy, and learn to live together.

Biochemical weapons are cheap. Biological weapons are even more cheap. Especially viruses.

Quoting Father Khal
and there is your conclusion...war should not be fought entirely! no matter discussing the morals and ethics

Quoting Lt. John Harland
no if you cant sustain a proper army dont pick a fight if youare invaded call for help and engage in guerrilla warfare

Quoting Father Khal
btw have you noticed all wars when you involve the us of a today are based around oil?

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yea, I'm not sure why we're in Iraq for if we're not there for the oil. I mean, just a couple years before the Guld War Iraq was an ally. I know we're in Afghanistan to catch the world's hide and seek Champion, though.

@Harland: I mean cheap as in, not fair, dirty, not price wise. Bio weapons are banned for a reason. At least I think they're banned.

Quoting Father Khal
yeah but i dont believe osama bin laden is one person! and bio weapons arent illeagal they are the poor mans nukes according to mu religious ed teacher

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Well, I know we in America haven't used bio weapons since we killed all the natives. We have used nukes though..

Biological weapons are easy to make, if you have the right stuff. If a terrorist gets one of the remianing smallpox samples, we're in for one nas ty (I think that word is censored by MP) pandemic.

Quoting Father Khal
yeah but biochemichal are even easier!
just get a dangerous chemichal e.g. chlorine and hook it up to a bomb

Quoting Areetsa C

Chlorine is mostly harmless.
What you want is chlorine GAS.
And if bombs are involved, you want radioactive materials instead of swimming pool stuff.

Quoting Father Khal
yes but i said POOR mans NUKE...a nuke that isnt radioactive and doesnt cost much...like an easy to get chemical

Quoting Areetsa C

Chlorine and ammonia = chlorine gas.

How hard is it to get hold of bleach and a bit of household ammonia?

Quoting Father Khal
in the middle east...cmon! u cant get toothpaste out there for...somthins sake!

Quoting Father Khal
its all car bombs and hot water from windows now tho

Quoting Areetsa C

Who said anything about the middle east?
You should be more worried about people like me who live in the first world and know all sorts of politically incorrect things.

Quoting Father Khal
yeah but i dont believe osama bin laden is one person! and bio weapons arent illeagal they are the poor mans nukes according to mu religious ed teacher

Quoting Lt. John Harland
look at the Viet Cong they beat the largest army in the world with out car bombs or suicide bombers

Quoting Father Khal
yes but they had a huge series of tunnnels and local knowledge...anyway i gotta go i will talk more tommorow

Quoting Lt. John Harland
yeah thats out smarting the enemy

Quoting Squirelly .
Ithink if we kill Osama the world will just turn intoa big rainbow! I think that the U.S is only in Iraq for oil. I think that 9/11 WAS wrong though I don't see a connection between that and Iraq.

Quoting Squirelly .
I am merely stating my opinion

Quoting Lt. John Harland
we went to iraq to oust a dictator and al quida who planned the attacks

Quoting Squirelly .
I am merely stating my opinion

Quoting Father Khal
u went to iraq for oil...dont let the government tell u any different

Quoting Lt. John Harland
so your telling me that Saddam Hussein's aid to terrorist groups had nothing to do with our intervention there

Quoting Father Khal
yup...u live in the oil capital of the world...if theres a war for an oil rich country america will be on the frontline

Quoting Lt. John Harland
is that why we went into Vietnam and Korea?

Quoting Father Khal
that was different...when every single capitalist hated communism and oil was plentiful

Quoting Lt. John Harland
what about our intervention in afganistan there is no oil there