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I would like to know the differences, similarities, disbelieves, and beliefs of Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, etc. I just want to know the facts so I can choose which one I want to be a part of. My family is Catholic, but I'm not certain I want to partake in that group. Also, can you please describe purtagory?
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| December 30, 2009, 10:35 pm
Quoting Scotty Mac
I would like to know the differences, similarities, disbelieves, and beliefs of Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, etc. I just want to know the facts so I can choose which one I want to be a part of. My family is Catholic, but I'm not certain I want to partake in that group. Also, can you please describe purtagory?

I'm A Lutheran So In Lutheranism We Believe In...
-Two Sacraments (Baptism & Communion).
-The Five Solas
.-Sola Fide (By Faith Alone)
.-Sola Gratia (By Grace Alone)
.-Sola Scriptura (By Scripture Alone)
.-Solo Christo (Through Christ Alone)
.-Sola Deo Gloria (Glory To God Alone)
-We Don't Pray To Saints Or For The Soles Of The Dead
-We Have Sub-Demoninations (e.x. Mussori Synod Lutheranism(LCMS), Wissconsin Evangelical Lutherand Synod(WELS), And The Evil Evangelical Lutheran Church In America (Evil Because They Have Female Pastors And Are OK With Gays.)

If You Have Any Questions About Lutheranism Contact Me.
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| December 31, 2009, 7:53 am
Quoting Scotty Mac
I would like to know the differences, similarities, disbelieves, and beliefs of Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, etc. I just want to know the facts so I can choose which one I want to be a part of. My family is Catholic, but I'm not certain I want to partake in that group. Also, can you please describe purtagory?

I'm also a lutheran. I particularly think lutheran and baptist is the way to go, because what we state is true comes from real evidence.
Why I'm saying this is because I had a catholic friend who had said things about what they believed, which really questioned me. One time he had said they believed that "For everyone that dies a star is created". It mentions this nowhere in the bible. perhaps he got it from Abraham being told "Your descendants will number the stars". So I'm not completely sure what to tell you to make of your situation but I hope this input helps.
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| December 31, 2009, 9:17 pm
I am an adventist and we believe STRICTLY in the bible. Including the biblical Sabbath which is saturday, the biblical way of Baptizing (By emersion), the biblical state of the dead (that the dead are sleeping and are not in heaven right now except for some like moses, elijah etc.), and all biblical stuff. ADRA (which helps a lot in Disasters) is part of our church. We are willing to change according to what the bible says.
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| January 1, 2010, 7:47 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
I am an adventist and we believe STRICTLY in the bible. Including the biblical Sabbath which is saturday, the biblical way of Baptizing (By emersion), the biblical state of the dead (that the dead are sleeping and are not in heaven right now except for some like moses, elijah etc.), and all biblical stuff. ADRA (which helps a lot in Disasters) is part of our church. We are willing to change according to what the bible says.

Lutherans Do Express "By Scripture Alone".

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| January 1, 2010, 10:32 pm
Quoting Joshua Christenson
I'm also a lutheran. I particularly think lutheran and baptist is the way to go, because what we state is true comes from real evidence.
Why I'm saying this is because I had a catholic friend who had said things about what they believed, which really questioned me. One time he had said they believed that "For everyone that dies a star is created". It mentions this nowhere in the bible. perhaps he got it from Abraham being told "Your descendants will number the stars". So I'm not completely sure what to tell you to make of your situation but I hope this input helps.

Which Synod?
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| January 1, 2010, 10:32 pm
Quoting General Frazier
Which Synod?


Lutheran Brotheran.
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| January 2, 2010, 1:27 am
Quoting General Frazier
Lutherans Do Express "By Scripture Alone".

Yes but they don't obey it. If a Lutheran pastor finds out about the 4th commandment and decides to follow it, and he tells his pastor friends, his salary will be dropped. Lutherans do not follow the bible completely.
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| January 2, 2010, 12:21 pm
Quoting Kir Kanos Kalinka
Also, Mr. Joshua Christenson, your friend knows nothing about the Catholic religion.


Oh, I probably didn't read that clearly then. But I still point out that I don't think catholicism is the best.
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| January 2, 2010, 1:30 pm
Quoting Kir Kanos Kalinka
If you feel you're mature enough talk to your family not a lego group. Ask them if they can take you to speak with the pastors of your local churches.

If His Family Is Catholic, They Are More Than Likley To Keep Him In. Trust Me, Half My Family Is Catholic.
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| January 3, 2010, 8:15 am
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
Yes but they don't obey it. If a Lutheran pastor finds out about the 4th commandment and decides to follow it, and he tells his pastor friends, his salary will be dropped. Lutherans do not follow the bible completely.

Hold The Phone, That's Old Testament. It Also Says If Your Job Is Clergy, Should Live By Thing Like Collections.
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| January 3, 2010, 8:17 am
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
Yes but they don't obey it. If a Lutheran pastor finds out about the 4th commandment and decides to follow it, and he tells his pastor friends, his salary will be dropped. Lutherans do not follow the bible completely.

Wait, what? I'm Lutheran too, and my father is a Lutheran pastor. The 4th commandment is to respect and obey those in authority over you, and Lutheran pastors do so. If they didn't, they'd be arrested. So please explain what you mean more clearly.
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| January 3, 2010, 5:14 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
Yes but they don't obey it. If a Lutheran pastor finds out about the 4th commandment and decides to follow it, and he tells his pastor friends, his salary will be dropped. Lutherans do not follow the bible completely.

Lutherans believe the Bible, but we do not take everything literally. Most think that Revelation, for example, is metaphorical, since it is a vision and not an event. But in most other cases, we believe the exact words of the Bible.
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| January 3, 2010, 5:19 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
I am an adventist and we believe STRICTLY in the bible. Including the biblical Sabbath which is saturday, the biblical way of Baptizing (By emersion), the biblical state of the dead (that the dead are sleeping and are not in heaven right now except for some like moses, elijah etc.), and all biblical stuff. ADRA (which helps a lot in Disasters) is part of our church. We are willing to change according to what the bible says.

Lutherans worship on Sundays because the foundation of our faith (Christ's resurrection) occurred on a Sunday.
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| January 3, 2010, 5:22 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Wait, what? I'm Lutheran too, and my father is a Lutheran pastor. The 4th commandment is to respect and obey those in authority over you, and Lutheran pastors do so. If they didn't, they'd be arrested. So please explain what you mean more clearly.


What you're saying is very true. I also come from a family with Lutheran pastors and missionaires.
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| January 3, 2010, 5:46 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Lutherans worship on Sundays because the foundation of our faith (Christ's resurrection) occurred on a Sunday.

Yes And No. When The Disciples Founded The Early Church They Worshiped On The Sabbath(Saturday), Constantine Moved It To Sunday Because Christ Rose On Sunday.
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| January 3, 2010, 6:28 pm
Quoting General Frazier
Yes And No. When The Disciples Founded The Early Church They Worshiped On The Sabbath(Saturday), Constantine Moved It To Sunday Because Christ Rose On Sunday.

Well, I meant currently. So yes, we agree.
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| January 3, 2010, 7:26 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Wait, what? I'm Lutheran too, and my father is a Lutheran pastor. The 4th commandment is to respect and obey those in authority over you, and Lutheran pastors do so. If they didn't, they'd be arrested. So please explain what you mean more clearly.

It dosen't make sense. Why do you keep nine of the commandments and not the 4th one? You forget the one that says to REMEMBER!
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| January 4, 2010, 11:23 am
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Lutherans believe the Bible, but we do not take everything literally. Most think that Revelation, for example, is metaphorical, since it is a vision and not an event. But in most other cases, we believe the exact words of the Bible.

It IS an event, and NOT a vision!
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| January 4, 2010, 11:27 am
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Lutherans worship on Sundays because the foundation of our faith (Christ's resurrection) occurred on a Sunday.

True, that is significant but WHEN in the bible did God or Jesus say that the sabbath was changed to sunday?!
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| January 4, 2010, 11:42 am
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
It dosen't make sense. Why do you keep nine of the commandments and not the 4th one? You forget the one that says to REMEMBER!

Oh. You're going with the other version of the commandments. Our Bible clumps 1 and 2 and splits 9 and 10, and yours does vice-versa. Hence the confusion. Anyway, that commandment says to remember the Sabbath day. How about this explanation, from Luther's Small Catechism?:
"The Sabbath was a sign pointing to Jesus, who is our rest. Since Jesus has come as our Savior and Lord, God no longer requires us to observe the Sabbath and other holy days of the Old Testament."
Which makes sense. Do you celebrate things like Jewish Passover in any Christian church? No, despite the decree in the Old Testament which mandates that they be observed.
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| January 4, 2010, 5:36 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Oh. You're going with the other version of the commandments. Our Bible clumps 1 and 2 and splits 9 and 10, and yours does vice-versa. Hence the confusion. Anyway, that commandment says to remember the Sabbath day. How about this explanation, from Luther's Small Catechism?:
"The Sabbath was a sign pointing to Jesus, who is our rest. Since Jesus has come as our Savior and Lord, God no longer requires us to observe the Sabbath and other holy days of the Old Testament."
Which makes sense. Do you celebrate things like Jewish Passover in any Christian church? No, despite the decree in the Old Testament which mandates that they be observed.

Well, when the change of Circumcision was made, it was talked of very much in the bible. If the sabbath was changed it would be spoken of very much in the bible.

NOTE to all who argue with me: If you try to deny the truth about the Saturday Sabbath, you are NOT a bible christian.
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| January 4, 2010, 6:09 pm
Quoting General Frazier
Yes And No. When The Disciples Founded The Early Church They Worshiped On The Sabbath(Saturday), Constantine Moved It To Sunday Because Christ Rose On Sunday.

Yes, but he only did it because he wanted to. The biblical sabbath is STILL the seventh day which is commonly called saturday.
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| January 4, 2010, 6:22 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Oh. You're going with the other version of the commandments. Our Bible clumps 1 and 2 and splits 9 and 10, and yours does vice-versa. Hence the confusion. Anyway, that commandment says to remember the Sabbath day. How about this explanation, from Luther's Small Catechism?:
"The Sabbath was a sign pointing to Jesus, who is our rest. Since Jesus has come as our Savior and Lord, God no longer requires us to observe the Sabbath and other holy days of the Old Testament."
Which makes sense. Do you celebrate things like Jewish Passover in any Christian church? No, despite the decree in the Old Testament which mandates that they be observed.

No man is perfect. there are a lot of good things about Martin Luther but that is not a good thing, and where does it say in the bible that the SABBATH was pointing to Jesus? it says that SACRIFICING THE LAMB was pointing to it!
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| January 4, 2010, 6:44 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
No man is perfect. there are a lot of good things about Martin Luther but that is not a good thing, and where does it say in the bible that the SABBATH was pointing to Jesus? it says that SACRIFICING THE LAMB was pointing to it!

Matthew 12:8. "The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath."
Colossians 2:16-17. "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a SABBATH DAY. These are all a shadow of the things to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
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| January 4, 2010, 7:11 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
No man is perfect. there are a lot of good things about Martin Luther but that is not a good thing, and where does it say in the bible that the SABBATH was pointing to Jesus? it says that SACRIFICING THE LAMB was pointing to it!

My (and Luther's) point is that while worshiping God is important, the day on which we worship is not, so long as we do so collectively and in God's name.
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| January 4, 2010, 7:14 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
Well, when the change of Circumcision was made, it was talked of very much in the bible. If the sabbath was changed it would be spoken of very much in the bible.

NOTE to all who argue with me: If you try to deny the truth about the Saturday Sabbath, you are NOT a bible christian.

That bottom piece is a little harsh and conceited. Who made you the spokesman for Christianity? Who made you God's mouthpiece?
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| January 4, 2010, 7:54 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
NOTE to all who argue with me: If you try to deny the truth about the Saturday Sabbath, you are NOT a bible christian.

you gotta be fr3@cking kidding me. it says "honor the Sabbath" not "your Sabbath must be on Saturday or you're going to heII". people obey the rules but ignore the whole point behind them. the Sabbath is for the purpose of focusing on God, which you can do anytime. it doesn't matter what day you have it on, so long as you have it.

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| January 4, 2010, 7:59 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
It IS an event, and NOT a vision!

The entire time throughout Revelation, John says "And I saw", therefore it is a vision. While God could have shown him the future literally, we Lutherans think that this portion can be treated as metaphorical. For example, Rev. 12:3 speaks of a dragon with seven heads and seven crowns, which I think is a clear metaphor for Satan and the seven deadly sins.
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| January 4, 2010, 8:08 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Oh. You're going with the other version of the commandments. Our Bible clumps 1 and 2 and splits 9 and 10, and yours does vice-versa. Hence the confusion. Anyway, that commandment says to remember the Sabbath day. How about this explanation, from Luther's Small Catechism?:
"The Sabbath was a sign pointing to Jesus, who is our rest. Since Jesus has come as our Savior and Lord, God no longer requires us to observe the Sabbath and other holy days of the Old Testament."
Which makes sense. Do you celebrate things like Jewish Passover in any Christian church? No, despite the decree in the Old Testament which mandates that they be observed.


So can you prove all of this from the Bible? :-?
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| January 4, 2010, 9:22 pm
Ok.. i'm adventist too... and i do believe what Jeff is saying.. but i also believe that we should respect others beliefs.. i mean if you guys don't agree with what we believe then fine... but if you want to argue about religions why don't you go to a religious site to debate about it..plus why don't we just find something to talk about that we agree on..but i have 00000 idea what this has to do with legos? :-?
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| January 4, 2010, 9:33 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Matthew 12:8. "The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath."
Colossians 2:16-17. "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a SABBATH DAY. These are all a shadow of the things to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

it says A Sabbath day not THE sabbath day. It is referring to the Jewish HOLIDAYS, not the DAY OF REST.
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| January 5, 2010, 5:57 pm
Quoting Kir Kanos Kalinka
And you, sir, are not a Catholic. :)

That IS right, sir.
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| January 5, 2010, 5:58 pm
Quoting Benya Wilson
Ok.. i'm adventist too... and i do believe what Jeff is saying.. but i also believe that we should respect others beliefs.. i mean if you guys don't agree with what we believe then fine... but if you want to argue about religions why don't you go to a religious site to debate about it..plus why don't we just find something to talk about that we agree on..but i have 00000 idea what this has to do with legos? :-?

Yea im respecting other beliefs but CFOL is used to debates like this.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:01 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
That bottom piece is a little harsh and conceited. Who made you the spokesman for Christianity? Who made you God's mouthpiece?

Who said I said that? I am just showing proof out of the bible that the 7th day is the true sabbath.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:04 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
My (and Luther's) point is that while worshiping God is important, the day on which we worship is not, so long as we do so collectively and in God's name.

John 14:15 If you love me KEEP my COMMANDMENTS.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:09 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
it says A Sabbath day not THE sabbath day. It is referring to the Jewish HOLIDAYS, not the DAY OF REST.

Ok, if you're going to use that as an argument, then how is *A* Sabbath day different? It's not its own holiday, it IS the day of rest.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:11 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Ok, if you're going to use that as an argument, then how is *A* Sabbath day different? It's not its own holiday, it IS the day of rest.

If you know proper English you will know what I'm saying.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:13 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
John 14:15 If you love me KEEP my COMMANDMENTS.

WE DO. Quit accusing us of being sinners; your self-righteous act is getting really annoying. The point is to worship. How much more obvious can we make it for you? We gave you Scriptural evidence and common sense, what more do you want?
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| January 5, 2010, 6:15 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
WE DO. Quit accusing us of being sinners; your self-righteous act is getting really annoying. The point is to worship. How much more obvious can we make it for you? We gave you Scriptural evidence and common sense, what more do you want?

We all are Sinners. what I want is for you to admit that the 7th day is the Sabbath.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:16 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
If you know proper English you will know what I'm saying.

My point is, if the Sabbath day refers to the weekly day of rest, then what does *a* Sabbath day refer to?
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| January 5, 2010, 6:17 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
My point is, if the Sabbath day refers to the weekly day of rest, then what does *a* Sabbath day refer to?

I told you.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:18 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
I told you.

What day is *a* Sabbath day, specifically. I don't want just "a Jewish holiday". Explain it.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:20 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
What day is *a* Sabbath day, specifically. I don't want just "a Jewish holiday". Explain it.

A holiday that moses set for Israel.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:22 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
A holiday that moses set for Israel.

Where the heck do you get that from?
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| January 5, 2010, 6:22 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Where the heck do you get that from?

The bible, of course!
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| January 5, 2010, 6:23 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
A holiday that moses set for Israel.

And again, way to be vague. What's the point of it? Is it a cleansing ceremony, or does it involve fasting, or what?
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| January 5, 2010, 6:24 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
The bible, of course!

I was asking for a book, chapter, and verse. You use the most vague arguments - it frustrates me.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:25 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
And again, way to be vague. What's the point of it? Is it a cleansing ceremony, or does it involve fasting, or what?

I forgot the chapter, and verse but it is somewhere in the new testament and i'll find it.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:26 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
I forgot the chapter, and verse but it is somewhere in the new testament and i'll find it.

I've gotta go to stage crew. I'll be back later.

Wait - if it was decreed by Moses, why would it be in the NEW Testament?
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| January 5, 2010, 6:47 pm
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
I've gotta go to stage crew. I'll be back later.

Wait - if it was decreed by Moses, why would it be in the NEW Testament?

because i think paul wrote about it.
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| January 5, 2010, 6:48 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
Yea im respecting other beliefs but CFOL is used to debates like this.

great... have fun debating.. =)

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| January 5, 2010, 11:26 pm
why does there have to be so many different groups of christians.....
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| January 6, 2010, 5:02 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
Well, when the change of Circumcision was made, it was talked of very much in the bible. If the sabbath was changed it would be spoken of very much in the bible.

NOTE to all who argue with me: If you try to deny the truth about the Saturday Sabbath, you are NOT a bible christian.

But God went 6 days of working, and rested on the 7th day. Wouldn't that be Sunday? But I see how they say Sunday is the first day of the week so I guess it could be right, but I'm not sure. There's Church on Sunday.
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| January 6, 2010, 9:22 pm
Quoting Jeff (Jeffrey Saelee)
Well, when the change of Circumcision was made, it was talked of very much in the bible. If the sabbath was changed it would be spoken of very much in the bible.

NOTE to all who argue with me: If you try to deny the truth about the Saturday Sabbath, you are NOT a bible christian.

But God went 6 days of working, and rested on the 7th day. Wouldn't that be Sunday? But I see how they say Sunday is the first day of the week so I guess it could be right, but I'm not sure. There's Church on Sunday.
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| January 6, 2010, 9:22 pm
Quoting Scotty Mac
But God went 6 days of working, and rested on the 7th day. Wouldn't that be Sunday? But I see how they say Sunday is the first day of the week so I guess it could be right, but I'm not sure. There's Church on Sunday.

Yes. The Bible Sabbath is Saturday.
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| January 6, 2010, 10:23 pm
Quoting Darman Skirata
I myself am Catholic, and I can assure you that is not one of our beliefs. It must be his own.


Most likely correct. Either that or his church is really wierd.
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| January 7, 2010, 8:52 pm
I was an anglican. The anglican religion is almost identical to the catholic religion they eat crackers and drink wine and listen to a sermon. At least that is what I remember.
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| January 8, 2010, 12:25 pm
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