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| March 9, 2010, 7:54 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Just a small survey, and be serious...

1. Do you think of yourself as a Christian, a beliver of the Gospel; God bringing his one and only son to earth, 100% God and 100% man, letting him die on the cross for our past, present, and future sins, and being reserected on the third day, and to come again on the last day?

2. What denomonation of church do you go to? What denomantion of church to you see yourself fitting into?
1.I truly believe that our Savior Christ came to die for our sins.

2. I'm a Presbyterian, and I believe that the ONLY why to Heaven is through Christ.
2 Cor. 5:21 (NIV)
God made Him, who had no sin, to become sin, for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

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| March 10, 2010, 7:45 am
Quoting Timothy Mably
How do you believe you will get into Heaven?

Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Therefore, following simple logic, if you obey the rules and repent when you sin, the path to Heaven should become obvious.
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| March 10, 2010, 2:32 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
How do you believe you will get into Heaven?

1. aye
2. protestant

catholics can anyway thanks to purgatory instead of hell, others need to pay for their sins otherwise
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| March 14, 2010, 3:17 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Therefore, following simple logic, if you obey the rules and repent when you sin, the path to Heaven should become obvious.

no john did(or peter or simon cant remember but it was one of those three) after jesus' time only one faith of christianity existed, no branches

then after the romans converted they broke into two factions, byzantium the orthodox, and the catholic faith(because of an argument about bread!)

then many countries protested and became protestant such as henry 8 of england in 1536 because he wanted a divorce

christianity in 3 paragraphs!!!
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| March 14, 2010, 3:22 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Quoting Donny Valois
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Therefore, following simple logic, if you obey the rules and repent when you sin, the path to Heaven should become obvious.
Actually, the Bible teaches if you believe the Gospel you will enter to Heaven, I've never understood why Catholics believe otherwise. The goal of Catholicism is to be holy, yet nobody can be holy, the only human able to be holy is Jesus.
saints were holy

and the bible teaches the way of the protestants yes, but it says at rapture humanity will be divided, "like sheep" those good go to heaven, those bad will go to hell

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| March 14, 2010, 3:24 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
My last comment didn't come up so somebody needs to approve it for me, thanks.

ill see...
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| March 14, 2010, 3:34 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Thanks.

sorry mate someone already deleted it...

say it without "rude" words
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| March 14, 2010, 3:37 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
By good and evil it means those who believe and those who don't. All you need is to believe in the Gospel. Jesus died for our sins, past, present, and future. Repenting is a sign of asking for forgiveness even though you are already forgiven. Most Cathliocs (not trying to be rude) don't read the Bible correctly and it leads to adding on traditions, etc. One idea added on is limbo.

but jesus said in another verse only selected people are guaranteed entry...
the poor, the sick, the generous etc.
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| March 14, 2010, 5:24 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
What verse? I think your showing how as I said, most Cathliocs misinterprate the Bible.

in mark mathew and luc...somewhere

anyway u learn a lot in gcse religious studies
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| March 14, 2010, 5:27 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
What verse? I think your showing how as I said, most Cathliocs misinterprate the Bible.

i only have a welsh bible, so i cant tell u what it actually says
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| March 14, 2010, 5:29 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Like how to spell? haha jk. Tell me the verses around that one verse you quoted and I'll explain.

lwlz i kNoWS h0w t0 sPeLlz! lol
anyway in actual translation its a list that says things like...

uh the poor shall be given entry for those are the ones who have nothing

the sick shall be given entry for those are the ones who truly suffer

the ones who have given everything shall be deemed worthy for they are selfless

etc.
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| March 14, 2010, 5:32 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Comment didn't get put up again...

dangnabbit
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| March 14, 2010, 5:41 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Comment didn't get put up again...

dangnabbit already deleted as well
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| March 14, 2010, 5:42 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Okay. All I said is that those are the traits of some people who get into Heaven. You don't need to be them though. It's kind of like saying: "A man who works hard gets paid." Not all people who work hard do get paid.

yes but u do have a better chance if you have those qualities, are not bad(a murderer etc.)
and a catholic(cause they believe in purgatory)

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| March 14, 2010, 5:52 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
But that isn't what the Bible says...

it is what mine says...translation issues :(
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| March 15, 2010, 12:24 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
But that isn't what the Bible says...

it is what mine says...translation issues :(
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| March 15, 2010, 12:29 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
I think it might be what the Cathlioc Church is teaching you...

im not catholic...or am i?!?!
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| March 15, 2010, 4:35 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
I thought you said you were earlier... Anyways, wrong guy but what you said is very Cathlioc.

as well as a humanitarian view of christianity
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| March 15, 2010, 4:48 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Yeah... What denomonation are you?

welsh anglican(protestant) and otherwise im a theologian
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| March 15, 2010, 4:57 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Yeah... What denomonation are you?

what are you?
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| March 15, 2010, 5:30 pm
Quoting Father Khal
uh the poor shall be given entry for those are the ones who have nothing

the sick shall be given entry for those are the ones who truly suffer

the ones who have given everything shall be deemed worthy for they are selfless

etc.

that actually reminds me of the Sermon on the Mount, I believe that was in Matthew.
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| March 15, 2010, 9:16 pm
You have a very good point there, Brady G.
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| March 15, 2010, 11:19 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Quoting Donny Valois
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Therefore, following simple logic, if you obey the rules and repent when you sin, the path to Heaven should become obvious.
Actually, the Bible teaches if you believe the Gospel you will enter to Heaven, I've never understood why Catholics believe otherwise. The goal of Catholicism is to be holy, yet nobody can be holy, the only human able to be holy is Jesus.

Then you must be a Catholic if you believe in the Bible. Jesus said, "You are Peter and on this rock I build my Church." He founded the Catholic Church not fifty million churches. And yes, people can be holy. Look at the lives of the saints. And finally, Catholics do believe in the Bible. Martin Luther changed a passage in the Bible from, faith and works to only faith.
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| March 16, 2010, 1:52 pm
Quoting Donny Valois
Then you must be a Catholic if you believe in the Bible. Jesus said, "You are Peter and on this rock I build my Church." He founded the Catholic Church not fifty million churches. And yes, people can be holy. Look at the lives of the saints. And finally, Catholics do believe in the Bible. Martin Luther changed a passage in the Bible from, faith and works to only faith.

what Catholics don't understand is that Jesus wasn't talking about a physical church, but a spiritually unified group of Christians. the churches were meant to be self-governing under God, with no one church above the others. the Catholic Church came about later in the late Roman period.
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| March 16, 2010, 5:08 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
By good and evil it means those who believe and those who don't. All you need is to believe in the Gospel. Jesus died for our sins, past, present, and future. Repenting is a sign of asking for forgiveness even though you are already forgiven. Most Cathliocs (not trying to be rude) don't read the Bible correctly and it leads to adding on traditions, etc. One idea added on is limbo.

Let's get some things straight here: You are forgiven if you repent but you are not absolved from your sins.
Let's think of an idea that protestants added...rapture, there we go. Tell me where exactly in the bible it says that some people will be poofed into heaven?
How do protestants know that THEY are the ones reading scripture correctly? Why is it always Catholics who misread the Bible? Even though the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and the Bible written by Catholics (with help from the Holy Spirit), protestants continue to say that we're the ones who don't know what we are talking about.

Also, tell me one tradition that you do not agree with that the Church has approved. Limbo is not approved

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| March 16, 2010, 5:51 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Like how to spell? haha jk. Tell me the verses around that one verse you quoted and I'll explain.

So again Catholics misread the Bible and you know what everthing means, right?
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| March 16, 2010, 5:53 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Okay. All I said is that those are the traits of some people who get into Heaven. You don't need to be them though. It's kind of like saying: "A man who works hard gets paid." Not all people who work hard do get paid.

A beautiful self contradiction!
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| March 16, 2010, 5:55 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Luther didn't change anything... Romans 4 and Galatians 3 teach that we are righteous before God through faith alone in Christ's obedient death.

Sorry, Luther did change the Bible. Jesus said that we need to live by faith, but he didn't say faith alone.
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| March 16, 2010, 5:56 pm
Quoting Father Khal
1. aye
2. protestant

catholics can anyway thanks to purgatory instead of hell, others need to pay for their sins otherwise

So are you saying that Catholics don't need to repent for their sins, they get a free pass to heaven? Not true!

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| March 16, 2010, 5:57 pm
Quoting Father Khal
no john did(or peter or simon cant remember but it was one of those three) after jesus' time only one faith of christianity existed, no branches

then after the romans converted they broke into two factions, byzantium the orthodox, and the catholic faith(because of an argument about bread!)

then many countries protested and became protestant such as henry 8 of england in 1536 because he wanted a divorce

christianity in 3 paragraphs!!!

okay,
1.John did what? And Simon and Peter are the same person
2.Okay, the orthodox came from the Catholic Church, not the other way around.
3. The so-called "bread" is the Body of Christ
4.Yes, protestants didn't want to follow the rules so they made their own.

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| March 16, 2010, 6:02 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
okay,
1.John did what? And Simon and Peter are the same person
2.Okay, the orthodox came from the Catholic Church, not the other way around.
3. The so-called "bread" is the Body of Christ
4.Yes, protestants didn't want to follow the rules so they made their own.

1.start the first christian church and yeah sorry confused meself!

2.never said it did...i said they divided

3.they argued because communion bread...orthodox wanted raised bread, catholics wannted flat bread

4.of course...im living proof!

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| March 16, 2010, 6:06 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
So are you saying that Catholics don't need to repent for their sins, they get a free pass to heaven? Not true!

no they repent in purgatory, they dont have h-ell as such
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| March 16, 2010, 6:13 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
So again Catholics misread the Bible and you know what everthing means, right?

do u?
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| March 16, 2010, 6:21 pm
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Quoting Josh LaFollette
that actually reminds me of the Sermon on the Mount, I believe that was in Matthew.

thats it but it also appears in luc as well
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| March 16, 2010, 6:35 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Let's get some things straight here: You are forgiven if you repent but you are not absolved from your sins.
Let's think of an idea that protestants added...rapture, there we go. Tell me where exactly in the bible it says that some people will be poofed into heaven?
How do protestants know that THEY are the ones reading scripture correctly? Why is it always Catholics who misread the Bible? Even though the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and the Bible written by Catholics (with help from the Holy Spirit), protestants continue to say that we're the ones who don't know what we are talking about.

Also, tell me one tradition that you do not agree with that the Church has approved. Limbo is not approved

revelations...

and jesus comparison of heaven as yeast, a treasure and a pearl...

also when he said all would be seperated into two, the good and the bad like sheep
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| March 16, 2010, 6:38 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Sorry, Luther did change the Bible. Jesus said that we need to live by faith, but he didn't say faith alone.

what did he write exactly in that thesis he nailed to the door?(an actual question there)
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| March 16, 2010, 6:40 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Then you must be a Catholic if you believe in the Bible. Jesus said, "You are Peter and on this rock I build my Church." He founded the Catholic Church not fifty million churches. And yes, people can be holy. Look at the lives of the saints. And finally, Catholics do believe in the Bible. Martin Luther changed a passage in the Bible from, faith and works to only faith.

actually it wasnt the catholic church, it was called the community back then...

then when rome converted it was the west roman empire which became the catholic faith

u learn a lot in religious studies gcse's

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| March 16, 2010, 6:43 pm
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Quoting Brady G
Yes! Good man. The Bible is the only definite word God's given us, and I have no idea where these little minorities got all these other rules and commands. T_l I mean, who know if this person who claims to have been given the lost chapter of the Bible is telling the truth?

protestants...britain i know why, henry wanted a divorce which the catholic faith prohibited so he excommunicated himself.
mormonism...back in america where a man claimed to find the testament of jesus...in new york...hmmm
orthodox...arguments with the other romans in the west
others i can explain...the salvation army believe actions speak louder than words and the quakers like to discuss more than worship
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| March 16, 2010, 6:50 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
I think it might be what the Cathlioc Church is teaching you...

I thought that Father Kahl was a protestant. Not to mention that the Protestants not only have translation issues but their bible is changed on purpose by Martin Luther. It states clearly in the bible that you shall not add or remove anything in it.
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| March 17, 2010, 11:33 am
Quoting Brady G
Yes! Good man. The Bible is the only definite word God's given us, and I have no idea where these little minorities got all these other rules and commands. T_l I mean, who know if this person who claims to have been given the lost chapter of the Bible is telling the truth?

Yes, but if you read the bible it says to be a Catholic. That is it used to say it before Luther changed it.

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| March 17, 2010, 11:35 am
Quoting Donny Valois
Yes, but if you read the bible it says to be a Catholic. That is it used to say it before Luther changed it.

man, do you even know what Catholic means? the actual word means universal. the Catholic faith was started with the idea of creating a "Universal Church", hence the name. the Catholic faith was not started by Jesus, or even the Apostles. it was started after the time of Constantine, centuries after the New Testament takes place. the whole idea was to create a pollitically unified church, instead of a spiritually unified church, as presented in the Bible. in no way does the Bible indicate the supremacy of the Church of Rome, praying to saints, or many other Catholic practices. the Catholics didn't change the Bible, but they added their own word onto it, and gave it the same level of reverance. and tell me, if our translations are so flawed, which version of the Bible do you use?
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| March 17, 2010, 3:58 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
I thought that Father Kahl was a protestant. Not to mention that the Protestants not only have translation issues but their bible is changed on purpose by Martin Luther. It states clearly in the bible that you shall not add or remove anything in it.

the church wrote that when they were putting it together...

ahem* book of mary magdalene*ahem!!!
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| March 17, 2010, 6:55 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
First off, if the Bible said to be Catholic... Your the only Catholic I've ever met that has said that. And I'm not sure where you read it, but Catholics add on traditions as I've said and yet you still stand behind the line where you feel that nothing should be added or taken away. "A beautiful self contradiction!"

nowhere in the bible does it say that or you cant add or remove from it. have you heard about the dead sea scrolls?(that was a question for don as well)
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| March 17, 2010, 7:06 pm
Quoting Father Khal
nowhere in the bible does it say that or you cant add or remove from it. have you heard about the dead sea scrolls?(that was a question for don as well)

the Dead Sea Scrolls are ancient manuscripts of parts of the Old Testament, and are used to prove that no real difference has occurred from today and the original writings. and even if the Bible didn't say to add or remove to it, doing so is saying your word is on the same authority as God's, with goes against countless parts of the Bible.
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| March 17, 2010, 9:29 pm
Quoting Father Khal
the church wrote that when they were putting it together...

ahem* book of mary magdalene*ahem!!!

Okay, putting what together? And may I be so bold as to ask what you are talking about?
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| March 18, 2010, 9:22 pm
Quoting Brady G
That was a hypothetical statement, but yes, good point.
I also take this oppertunity to point out to those Phara-catholics that the Bible scolded Pharisees for treating Jesus Christ's testament as a religion, following strict rules and laws.
Aside from the 10 commandments, God isn't sitting up there with the hammer waiting for one of us to break a rule. If we all did it strictly to the letter with countless rules and restrictions, wouldn't the ultimate sacrifice have gone to waste?
People sin. That's how humans work. If it weren't for Jesus, we'd all just be mindless dogs born to have our flesh burnt off in helI.

Yeah, but it doesn't mean you should sin
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| March 18, 2010, 9:28 pm
Quoting Josh LaFollette
man, do you even know what Catholic means? the actual word means universal. the Catholic faith was started with the idea of creating a "Universal Church", hence the name. the Catholic faith was not started by Jesus, or even the Apostles. it was started after the time of Constantine, centuries after the New Testament takes place. the whole idea was to create a pollitically unified church, instead of a spiritually unified church, as presented in the Bible. in no way does the Bible indicate the supremacy of the Church of Rome, praying to saints, or many other Catholic practices. the Catholics didn't change the Bible, but they added their own word onto it, and gave it the same level of reverance. and tell me, if our translations are so flawed, which version of the Bible do you use?

Okay, I don't know how to respond to something that isn't even remotely true. Christ founded the Catholic Church, only then they called it Christianity, because there weren't three quadrillion different christian churches. Oh, and I use the Bible that was written by the Holy Spirit. Protestants always say that Catholics follow men, but when you think about it, protestants are the ones who believe in men more so than Catholics. By the way, don't even bother telling me the Pope is just a man because I already have the answer you're looking for. The Pope is a holy man guided by the Holy Spirit. Need more information? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and also read about papal infallibility.
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| March 18, 2010, 9:34 pm
Quoting Father Khal
do u?

The Catholic Church in general does. It is similar to an author's family knowing about his book
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| March 18, 2010, 9:37 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
The point of the Bible is a way into Heaven! And like other faiths, we read what is said mentally, not physically.

Also, praying to Mary, Ash Friday, Nuns, Pope, I could go on and on.

Obviously playing the old Pope card again. Catholics, let me make this very clear, DO NOT PRAY OR WORSHIP MARY, THE POPE, or ASH WEDNESDAY!!!

And something else. Protestants always say they believe in the Bible, yet you just said you didn't believe in what was written in the Bible. It's exactly what Martin Luther did. He tweaked the Bible in what ways he liked. But did God like them?
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| March 18, 2010, 9:42 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Actually, not really. I don't think you know what a contradiction is.

Are we going to play "Are you Smarter than a Fifth Grader"?
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| March 18, 2010, 9:43 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
I don't know everything. Your arguing with me because you have nothing against what I've said. Don't turn this into a fight.

How much do I have to say to get you to see that I DO have something against what you've said?
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| March 18, 2010, 9:45 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
First off, if the Bible said to be Catholic... Your the only Catholic I've ever met that has said that. And I'm not sure where you read it, but Catholics add on traditions as I've said and yet you still stand behind the line where you feel that nothing should be added or taken away. "A beautiful self contradiction!"

Now who doesn't know what a contradiction is? Nothing should be added or taken away from the Bible and as I have said before, tell me something about Catholic traditions that you don't understand or agree with and I'll explain it.
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| March 18, 2010, 9:48 pm
Quoting Father Khal
nowhere in the bible does it say that or you cant add or remove from it. have you heard about the dead sea scrolls?(that was a question for don as well)

Yes, I've heard of them
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| March 18, 2010, 9:49 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Not really. I have no idea where your getting this all from. We're getting bored of going in circles. Btw, the Catechism of the Catholic Church... Who wrote it?

The succsessors of Peter, to whom the keys of heaven were given.
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| March 18, 2010, 9:52 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
Nobody tweaked anything. It's always been written that way, it was intended to. How do we know? It makes sense. Catholics focus on good works... In the Bible, God says we are not able to be anything like Him... And that's the goal of Catholicism... To be holy, like God... Yet we can't, which is why Jesus died on the cross for our past, present, and future sins. The way to Heaven isn't to be a wannabe... It's to have faith and believe in the words of God.

We cannot BE God, but we can be holy. And Catholics have faith and believe in the words of God. Unfortunately, the Words of God are changed in the Protestant bible

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| March 18, 2010, 9:55 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
I don't know everything. Your arguing with me because you have nothing against what I've said. Don't turn this into a fight.

You were the one who asked the question. I answered it
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| March 18, 2010, 9:59 pm
Quoting Donny Valois
Okay, I don't know how to respond to something that isn't even remotely true. Christ founded the Catholic Church, only then they called it Christianity, because there weren't three quadrillion different christian churches.

don't gimme that! if you can find verses in the Bible that say the Pope is appointed by God, that we should pray to saints, and that the Church of Rome is supreme above all other churches, tell me.
Quoting Donny Valois Oh, and I use the Bible that was written by the Holy Spirit.

would you mind not dodging the question and telling me the name of the translation you use?
Quoting Donny Valois Protestants always say that Catholics follow men, but when you think about it, protestants are the ones who believe in men more so than Catholics. By the way, don't even bother telling me the Pope is just a man because I already have the answer you're looking for. The Pope is a holy man guided by the Holy Spirit.

you can't just say whatever you want without backup. how do Protestants follow men more than Catholics? my biggest problem with the Catholic Church is that they put spacers between man and God. they feel the need to give us the Pope to interperet God's words, instead of trusting God's guidance and allow Him to do that for us.

Quoting Donny Valois Need more information? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and also read about papal infallibility.
ever heard the phrase "case in point"? you just told me that to understand how Catholics don't follow men, I need to read what has been written by men not inspired by God. you can say that some people can help us understand God's word, but they can't just tack stuff on at will.

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| March 18, 2010, 11:14 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
Just a small survey, and be serious...

1. Do you think of yourself as a Christian, a beliver of the Gospel; God bringing his one and only son to earth, 100% God and 100% man, letting him die on the cross for our past, present, and future sins, and being reserected on the third day, and to come again on the last day?

2. What denomonation of church do you go to? What denomantion of church to you see yourself fitting into?

Yes, I am LDS (mormon)
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| March 18, 2010, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Okay, putting what together? And may I be so bold as to ask what you are talking about?

...the bible...the old and new testaments...the books, revelation, the laws the gospels etc.

and if you read any dan brown you would understand
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| March 19, 2010, 12:01 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Now who doesn't know what a contradiction is? Nothing should be added or taken away from the Bible and as I have said before, tell me something about Catholic traditions that you don't understand or agree with and I'll explain it.
ell me...who wrote the appostells? then tell me who wrote the bible

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| March 19, 2010, 12:11 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Okay, I don't know how to respond to something that isn't even remotely true. Christ founded the Catholic Church, only then they called it Christianity, because there weren't three quadrillion different christian churches. Oh, and I use the Bible that was written by the Holy Spirit. Protestants always say that Catholics follow men, but when you think about it, protestants are the ones who believe in men more so than Catholics. By the way, don't even bother telling me the Pope is just a man because I already have the answer you're looking for. The Pope is a holy man guided by the Holy Spirit. Need more information? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and also read about papal infallibility.

like i said he didnt start it! his diciples did...

at that time christians were persecuted by the romans, so to openly start a church would kill them! christianity became an underground society until the first battle of constantinople...byzantium
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| March 19, 2010, 12:12 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Obviously playing the old Pope card again. Catholics, let me make this very clear, DO NOT PRAY OR WORSHIP MARY, THE POPE, or ASH WEDNESDAY!!!

And something else. Protestants always say they believe in the Bible, yet you just said you didn't believe in what was written in the Bible. It's exactly what Martin Luther did. He tweaked the Bible in what ways he liked. But did God like them?

ok, buy a protestant bible...read it, compare it to a catholic bible then tell me they are different
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| March 19, 2010, 12:14 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
The succsessors of Peter, to whom the keys of heaven were given.

...members of the first church, men who never saw jesus, only heard of him from a dying man put upside down on a cross
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| March 19, 2010, 12:15 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
You made an untrue statement, if you want to make a fuss take it up with a moderator.

...my time to shine
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| March 19, 2010, 12:17 pm
I made a mistake of saying self contradiction. I misread your comment. But you have no right to say the I contradicted myself. Look, I joined this site to post and talk about Legos, not to argue with protestants. I have tried to explain what you wanted and you have not listened. If you are still interested in the Catholic Faith, go to www.cuf.org and click on Faith Facts. They should be able to tell you everything you need to know about where Luther changed the Bible. Ever heard of the book of Maccabees?
Luther got rid of it. Now I shall step out of this biased conversation and continue doing what I joined this site for: building Legos. This site is supposed to be fun. Don't make it otherwise.
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| March 19, 2010, 4:15 pm
Quoting Father Khal
...members of the first church, men who never saw jesus, only heard of him from a dying man put upside down on a cross

Then they had more faith. Jesus said that to not see and have faith is greater than seeing and having faith
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| March 19, 2010, 4:17 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
We can't be holy because we were born into sin. A definition of holy is "eternally clean." The Protestant Bible isn't changed at all.

You keep saying that Jesus died for our sins. Why do you think he died? Because we could become holy and get to heaven. And if there is no change between both bibles, why is there a protestant bible?
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| March 19, 2010, 4:20 pm
Quoting Josh LaFollette
would you mind not dodging the question and telling me the name of the translation you use?
Quoting Donny Valois Protestants always say that Catholics follow men, but when you think about it, protestants are the ones who believe in men more so than Catholics. By the way, don't even bother telling me the Pope is just a man because I already have the answer you're looking for. The Pope is a holy man guided by the Holy Spirit.

you can't just say whatever you want without backup. how do Protestants follow men more than Catholics? my biggest problem with the Catholic Church is that they put spacers between man and God. they feel the need to give us the Pope to interperet God's words, instead of trusting God's guidance and allow Him to do that for us.

Quoting Donny Valois Need more information? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and also read about papal infallibility.
ever heard the phrase "case in point"? you just told me that to understand how Catholics don't follow men, I need to read what has been written by men not inspired by God. you can say that some people can help us understand God's word, but they can't just tack stuff on at will.

It's not dodging the question. It's telling the truth. Do you need to know? If there's no difference between our two bibles like Timothy Mably keeps saying, why do you need to know?

God told us to follow the Pope. Do you remember the passage that says 'You are Peter and on this Rock I build my Church'? The Pope is the successor of Peter. Proof, you say? Look at any Papal procession chart and you can see the direct line between Peter and Pope Benedict.

The Catechism was inspired by God the Holy Spirit. It was merely written on paper by men.

God felt the need for the Pope to guide us. How does a herd of sheep do without a shepherd?

Everything that I have stated is backed up by a bible verse.
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| March 19, 2010, 4:32 pm
Quoting Timothy Mably
You won't have anything to say. These are just ways of man-made worship as opposed to worshiping God as he says to.

-Ash Wed
-Lent
-Nuns
-Pope
-Kneeling
-Opening of Mass

Catholics DO NOT WORSHIP THESE PEOPLE OR THINGS! ! ! ! We give Mary a certain amount of respect called hyper-dulia, meaning highest honor of all humans. God is latria, meaning worship. The saints are dulia, meaning honor. We are not saying that Mary is sub-latria at all! And as for that other stuff, it's just not true
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| March 19, 2010, 4:38 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
You keep saying that Jesus died for our sins. Why do you think he died? Because we could become holy and get to heaven. And if there is no change between both bibles, why is there a protestant bible?

there isnt, its the same bl**dy bible!
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| March 19, 2010, 5:11 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Then they had more faith. Jesus said that to not see and have faith is greater than seeing and having faith

exactly...but still men
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| March 19, 2010, 5:11 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Catholics DO NOT WORSHIP THESE PEOPLE OR THINGS! ! ! ! We give Mary a certain amount of respect called hyper-dulia, meaning highest honor of all humans. God is latria, meaning worship. The saints are dulia, meaning honor. We are not saying that Mary is sub-latria at all! And as for that other stuff, it's just not true

yeah fair point, we celebrate ash wednesday and all those as well...

but i have to disagree with mary not being a sub latria...its suggested she was smeared by the catholic church because she made jesus seem more...human than god like
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| March 19, 2010, 5:14 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
Catholics DO NOT WORSHIP THESE PEOPLE OR THINGS! ! ! ! We give Mary a certain amount of respect called hyper-dulia, meaning highest honor of all humans. God is latria, meaning worship. The saints are dulia, meaning honor. We are not saying that Mary is sub-latria at all! And as for that other stuff, it's just not true

yeah fair point, we celebrate ash wednesday and all those as well...

but i have to disagree with mary not being a sub latria...its suggested she was smeared by the catholic church because she made jesus seem more...human than god like
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| March 19, 2010, 5:14 pm
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Quoting Donny Valois
you can't just say whatever you want without backup. how do Protestants follow men more than Catholics? my biggest problem with the Catholic Church is that they put spacers between man and God. they feel the need to give us the Pope to interperet God's words, instead of trusting God's guidance and allow Him to do that for us.

Quoting Donny Valois Need more information? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and also read about papal infallibility.
ever heard the phrase "case in point"? you just told me that to understand how Catholics don't follow men, I need to read what has been written by men not inspired by God. you can say that some people can help us understand God's word, but they can't just tack stuff on at will.

It's not dodging the question. It's telling the truth. Do you need to know? If there's no difference between our two bibles like Timothy Mably keeps saying, why do you need to know?

God told us to follow the Pope. Do you remember the passage that says 'You are Peter and on this Rock I build my Church'? The Pope is the successor of Peter. Proof, you say? Look at any Papal procession chart and you can see the direct line between Peter and Pope Benedict.

The Catechism was inspired by God the Holy Spirit. It was merely written on paper by men.

God felt the need for the Pope to guide us. How does a herd of sheep do without a shepherd?

Everything that I have stated is backed up by a bible verse.

ah! but it was peter that was called the ROCK on which to start the church not the pope

peter was a ROCK for it to be built on, a foundation, a person to follow by example. never does it say for the people to follow him.

and for further proof one of the ten commandments is thou shalt not worship another...
therefore the people were to follow his teachings and not FOLLOW him per se
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| March 19, 2010, 5:18 pm
Quoting Donny Valois
you can't just say whatever you want without backup. how do Protestants follow men more than Catholics? my biggest problem with the Catholic Church is that they put spacers between man and God. they feel the need to give us the Pope to interperet God's words, instead of trusting God's guidance and allow Him to do that for us.

Quoting Donny Valois Need more information? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and also read about papal infallibility.
ever heard the phrase "case in point"? you just told me that to understand how Catholics don't follow men, I need to read what has been written by men not inspired by God. you can say that some people can help us understand God's word, but they can't just tack stuff on at will.

It's not dodging the question. It's telling the truth. Do you need to know? If there's no difference between our two bibles like Timothy Mably keeps saying, why do you need to know?

it is dodging the question. I ask what you call your preferred translation and you don't. there aren't "Catholic" and "Protestant" Bibles. everybody uses the same Bible, with a different wording. some use better wordings than others. so what is it? NIV, King James, etc...
Quoting Donny Valois
God told us to follow the Pope. Do you remember the passage that says 'You are Peter and on this Rock I build my Church'? The Pope is the successor of Peter. Proof, you say? Look at any Papal procession chart and you can see the direct line between Peter and Pope Benedict.
God said Peter would help start the Church, he never said he and his successors had complete authority over all Churches in the world. and again, you offer other documents to prove what you have to say about the Bible. I don't care what people wrote down in the Middle Ages, I only care about what's actually in the Bible
Quoting Donny Valois
The Catechism was inspired by God the Holy Spirit. It was merely written on paper by men.

so you're saying other documents carry the same authority as the Bible? that just won't fly with me...
Quoting Donny Valois
God felt the need for the Pope to guide us. How does a herd of sheep do without a shepherd?

Everything that I have stated is backed up by a bible verse.
God is the shepherd, we don't need anybody else to do that for us.

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| March 19, 2010, 9:31 pm
Can you guys do me a favor? One of my friends was injured badly in a car accident yesterday, so please pray for him.
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| March 19, 2010, 9:31 pm
Quoting Donny Valois
You keep saying that Jesus died for our sins. Why do you think he died? Because we could become holy and get to heaven. And if there is no change between both bibles, why is there a protestant bible?

we can't be holy and that is why Jesus had to die. do you even know what holy means? holy means perfect and only God is perfect. it's utter blasphemy to suggest otherwise. and what are you talking about "Protestant" Bible? I own an NIV Bible....
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| March 19, 2010, 9:36 pm
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Quoting Timothy Mably
I just learned that the book of Maccabees was never really in the Bible at all. I bet you that the Catholics added it or Luther took it out because it was written by very ungodly men (which I know it was). These men were not prophets. In fact, Maccabees is a Bible of itself in some ways. There are books inside of that book, like the Bible.

Also, you are degrading God's power by saying we need a pope.

of course it isnt in the bible! it sounds like a play by shakespeare!
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| March 20, 2010, 7:05 pm
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