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Jesus Christ as a Star Destroyer? Seriously?
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.
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| September 10, 2010, 8:49 pm
that isn't right he made me offended.
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| September 10, 2010, 8:54 pm
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

I will comment on this, but it will be a bit because I have a lot of work to put into my reply to your question, and ultimately to Yuri.
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| September 11, 2010, 11:19 pm
I actually found it funny.
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| September 12, 2010, 6:52 am
Quoting Anders Cutterhill
I actually found it funny.

What did you find funny about it?
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| September 13, 2010, 11:55 am
Quoting Mudskipper 4
What did you find funny about it?

Well, the concept. It was well executed and original.
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| September 13, 2010, 3:01 pm
Quoting Anders Cutterhill
Well, the concept. It was well executed and original.

Very true, but that's not quite the problem I have with it. The problem I have with it is the subject matter itself, not because of originality or anything like that, but because it seems sacreligious to me.
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| September 13, 2010, 3:46 pm
Quoting W Mark
Very true, but that's not quite the problem I have with it. The problem I have with it is the subject matter itself, not because of originality or anything like that, but because it seems sacreligious to me.

I agree with you. I was slightly offended by the use of Christian symbols throughout the moc in a nonreligious way.
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| September 13, 2010, 3:48 pm
Quoting Drew the Skater
I agree with you. I was slightly offended by the use of Christian symbols throughout the moc in a nonreligious way.

I second that. Though the idea and the concept may be original, it is not right for someone to misuse Jesus like this.
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| September 14, 2010, 12:15 am
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

It isn't right. Highly disrespectful.
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| September 14, 2010, 8:31 am
Is there any way to report a MOC? Fassio is obviously not going to remove it of his own free will, but I would really like it if that thing was deleted. It's highly intolerant of our beliefs.
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| September 14, 2010, 10:17 am
Quoting W Mark
Is there any way to report a MOC? Fassio is obviously not going to remove it of his own free will, but I would really like it if that thing was deleted. It's highly intolerant of our beliefs.

But then again, it would be "intolerant" on our part if we tried to get it deleted. As much as we don't like it, he's still free to post what he likes.
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| September 14, 2010, 10:20 am
Quoting Drew the Skater
But then again, it would be "intolerant" on our part if we tried to get it deleted. As much as we don't like it, he's still free to post what he likes.

Not entirely... MOCpages has its own rules against mean, rude, or insulting content, and I'm pretty sure Yuri's MOC violates them.
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| September 14, 2010, 1:05 pm
Quoting W Mark
Not entirely... MOCpages has its own rules against mean, rude, or insulting content, and I'm pretty sure Yuri's MOC violates them.

Just remember, we're in the world to change it, but not here to make it perfect. Only Christ can do that. I think first of all, it's not our place to get overly offended about this. Especially if Yuri meant nothing inappropriate, and none can judge the heart but God. On the other hand, Yuri has every right to have it on Mocpages. We have to remember that it is not our place to judge, it is our place to LOVE. We in ourselves can do nothing to change Yuri, or his Moc.
2 Corinthians 12:10
That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


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| September 14, 2010, 1:27 pm
Quoting Mudskipper 4
Just remember, we're in the world to change it, but not here to make it perfect. Only Christ can do that. I think first of all, it's not our place to get overly offended about this. Especially if Yuri meant nothing inappropriate, and none can judge the heart but God. On the other hand, Yuri has every right to have it on Mocpages. We have to remember that it is not our place to judge, it is our place to LOVE. We in ourselves can do nothing to change Yuri, or his Moc.
2 Corinthians 12:10
That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Amen!
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| September 14, 2010, 1:29 pm
3. Do not create bad things.
You may not submit content that is illegal, obscene, insulting, threatening, harrasing, defamatory, invasive of privacy, infringing of intellectual property rights, or injurious to anyone.

(As stated in the official Mocpages rules.)

"Insulting" is technically speaking the only "rule" Yuri could have broken. Now, if he had no intent to insult, and from reading the entire post and conversation following I don't think he did, then he can have his creation on Mocpages. We choose to take offense, but it's no our right.

Romans 12:19 (New American Standard Bible)

Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

Let God handle the Moc how He will. We need to not attempt to get back at Yuri by having the Moc removed.
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| September 14, 2010, 1:37 pm
Quoting Mudskipper 4
3. Do not create bad things.
You may not submit content that is illegal, obscene, insulting, threatening, harrasing, defamatory, invasive of privacy, infringing of intellectual property rights, or injurious to anyone.

(As stated in the official Mocpages rules.)

"Insulting" is technically speaking the only "rule" Yuri could have broken. Now, if he had no intent to insult, and from reading the entire post and conversation following I don't think he did, then he can have his creation on Mocpages. We choose to take offense, but it's no our right.

Romans 12:19 (New American Standard Bible)

Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

Let God handle the Moc how He will. We need to not attempt to get back at Yuri by having the Moc removed.

Revenge was not my intention, but I see your point. I won't attempt to get the MOC removed.
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| September 14, 2010, 1:58 pm
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.
i was pretty offended

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| September 14, 2010, 5:22 pm
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

UH yea um that was really rediculous really stupid, and kind of random, im somewhat offended, not totally offended, cus i dont want to sound that i hate this guy, because some of his creations are good, i think he was trying to be funny, not act like a total blastphamist, and i know that is spelled wrong
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| September 14, 2010, 6:31 pm
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

Yea um well i was offended, but i think he was just trying to be funny, not offencive, and why are we talking about this what if he sees this page, how would he feel you know.
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| September 14, 2010, 6:36 pm
Quoting Commander Griff
Yea um well i was offended, but i think he was just trying to be funny, not offencive, and why are we talking about this what if he sees this page, how would he feel you know.

It's not as if he's unaware that some of us are offended, and this is a public group, so we're not talking behind his back. He can see this if he wants to. We've been totally honest, and I don't think it's unreasonable or insulting to be offended by his MOC.
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| September 14, 2010, 9:04 pm
Quoting W Mark
It's not as if he's unaware that some of us are offended, and this is a public group, so we're not talking behind his back. He can see this if he wants to. We've been totally honest, and I don't think it's unreasonable or insulting to be offended by his MOC.

Yea you got a point, see right after i left that comment i looked at the comments people had left him, they said it was offencive, so im like Darn, but yea thats what i was thinking, so yea

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| September 14, 2010, 9:13 pm
Quoting Commander Griff
Yea um well i was offended, but i think he was just trying to be funny, not offencive, and why are we talking about this what if he sees this page, how would he feel you know.

i agree
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| September 14, 2010, 9:19 pm
<rant>
Some of you are taking what I said out of context. Just because I found it funny/original, I didn't say it was right, or wrong.
What is right or wrong is subjective, and views vary from person to person. And according to the bible, each person is allowed to believe what he or she wants. No, I'm not going to bother finding biblical chapters or verses to support my views, as I'm too lazy and don't have a Bible at home.

Tell me, how did you feel (as a Christian) when the Muslims were angered by the danish Muhammad-charicature (sp.?)?
Lots of people outside of Islam did not really care, so why should Yuri care if he made a religious joke?
Is it really a big deal?
Just forget about it (and hope he's burning in fire and brimstone when the time comes).
</rant>
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| September 15, 2010, 5:22 am
Quoting Anders Cutterhill
Just forget about it (and hope he's burning in fire and brimstone when the time comes).

Never hope that... however, I was referring to the verses where the Lord claims revenge for his own... let Him be the judge.
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| September 15, 2010, 8:33 am
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

Thats Being Disrespectfull To God!!
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| September 17, 2010, 9:34 pm
Quoting Mudskipper 4
3. Do not create bad things.
You may not submit content that is illegal, obscene, insulting, threatening, harrasing, defamatory, invasive of privacy, infringing of intellectual property rights, or injurious to anyone.

(As stated in the official Mocpages rules.)

"Insulting" is technically speaking the only "rule" Yuri could have broken. Now, if he had no intent to insult, and from reading the entire post and conversation following I don't think he did, then he can have his creation on Mocpages. We choose to take offense, but it's no our right.

Romans 12:19 (New American Standard Bible)

Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

Let God handle the Moc how He will. We need to not attempt to get back at Yuri by having the Moc removed.

Even though I do believe that Yuri is doing wrong, I am sure that the insulting-ness of this creation is completely unintentional, thus we could not get it removed for this.
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| November 8, 2010, 9:14 pm
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

I am not offended by it. This matter should be strictly between God and Yuri.
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| November 8, 2010, 9:15 pm
I think that God is also affended simply because He and the Holy symbols a re being used as weapons
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| November 8, 2010, 9:49 pm
don't like it
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| November 9, 2010, 7:38 am
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Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

yes i am rather offended by this no... IM VERY OFFENDED BY THIS!!! sorry i lost my temper why do people do this
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| November 9, 2010, 4:45 pm
Quoting W Mark
Well, Yuri's found a great way to get his MOCs spread far and wide... by starting some controversy. If you haven't already, go see it at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/222729 and return here with your opinion... I'd like to know if anyone else was as offended as I was.

There is honestly nothing to be offended about. It is some pieces of ABS plastic.
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| November 14, 2010, 11:51 am
that was really wired.
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| November 14, 2010, 12:04 pm
that was really wired.
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| November 14, 2010, 12:05 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
There is honestly nothing to be offended about. It is some pieces of ABS plastic.


Yes, but its wut he has DONE with it that is not right. God is not a god that goes around in a ship (that was made in the image of himself) blowing stuff up and killing people .
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| November 16, 2010, 1:38 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
There is honestly nothing to be offended about. It is some pieces of ABS plastic.



And also, drugs, there just rolls of paper that you light and stick in your mouth, does that make it right?
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| November 16, 2010, 1:40 pm
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Quoting Brick -(Reaper)- Star


And also, drugs, there just rolls of paper that you light and stick in your mouth, does that make it right?

i agree http://www.neatchat.com/?id=fd3e8aa62691034793367d90d5889ff6
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| November 16, 2010, 2:43 pm
I see it this way I love God and do not like it when people use His holy name in vane it is breaking one of the ten comandments. I think Yuri was trying to get fame and now it is an uproar.
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| November 16, 2010, 2:54 pm
Quoting Brick -(Reaper)- Star


And also, drugs, there just rolls of paper that you light and stick in your mouth, does that make it right?

That has nothing to do with this. That is a different subject my friend.
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| November 16, 2010, 3:50 pm
Quoting Shadow Toa
I see it this way I love God and do not like it when people use His holy name in vane it is breaking one of the ten comandments. I think Yuri was trying to get fame and now it is an uproar.

One, he was already famous. Two, it was not used in vain, it was Jesus, not God.
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| November 16, 2010, 3:50 pm
Quoting Brick -(Reaper)- Star

Yes, but its wut he has DONE with it that is not right. God is not a god that goes around in a ship (that was made in the image of himself) blowing stuff up and killing people .

He never said anything about killing, only disabling other ships. Plus, it is of Jesus as a HUMAN.
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| November 16, 2010, 3:51 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
That has nothing to do with this. That is a different subject my friend.



It has eerything to do with this! Look, I think I speak for most of us (the true CFOLs) when I say I am sick of arguing with you. Please leave.
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| November 30, 2010, 12:39 am
Quoting Matthew Novosad
That has nothing to do with this. That is a different subject my friend.



It has eerything to do with this! Look, I think I speak for most of us (the true CFOLs) when I say I am sick of arguing with you. Please leave.
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| November 30, 2010, 12:39 am
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