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"Is there realy a god? Or do people just say there is so we will live beter lives?"
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I have heard this said so many ways, and its a fain question. Some times I even think of a world that is just full of "good" and no sin. I guess I am imagining Heaven ,eh?
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| November 16, 2010, 1:00 pm
I'm wondering why I should believe. I did return to my Protestant faith before last Christmas, but returned to being an Agnostic in early February.

As always, I was curious at the time and read some rules contained in the Bible. And I came over something very frustrating: all children born outside of marriage are automatically destined to end up in Hell, no matter how much they praise God (My parents are atheist/agnostic and married when I was a year old). Why even praise someone who doesn't like you?

And then I searched online, for more enlightenment on the rules. And then I found a site which quoted a verse that stated rabbits "chew the cud". Problem: they don't. And if God is both omnipotent and the one who wrote the Bible, shouldn't He know that?

And those are two of the things that made me re-denounce my faith.
And thoughts, comments, et cetera?
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| November 16, 2010, 1:15 pm
I agree with Anders. The "True Salvation" is a load of carp.
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| November 16, 2010, 1:23 pm
Quoting Harrison H.
So you think being cleaned of your sins and going to Heaven is a Load of Carp? May I askwhy your in this group?

Because I enjoy Theological discussion, that is why. So, you would rather be a mindless bot doing nothing for eternity? I would rather push a boulder up a hill everyday, then it falls down and I push it up again the next day for eternity...
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| November 21, 2010, 9:43 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Because I enjoy Theological discussion, that is why. So, you would rather be a mindless bot doing nothing for eternity? I would rather push a boulder up a hill everyday, then it falls down and I push it up again the next day for eternity...

Being a mindless bot would be better than what I have now, a mind gives us agony, because it makes us capable, and moreover incapable of not sinning, which causes pain and guilt.
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| November 26, 2010, 11:49 am
Quoting Anders Cutterhill
I'm wondering why I should believe. I did return to my Protestant faith before last Christmas, but returned to being an Agnostic in early February.

As always, I was curious at the time and read some rules contained in the Bible. And I came over something very frustrating: all children born outside of marriage are automatically destined to end up in Hell, no matter how much they praise God (My parents are atheist/agnostic and married when I was a year old). Why even praise someone who doesn't like you?

And then I searched online, for more enlightenment on the rules. And then I found a site which quoted a verse that stated rabbits "chew the cud". Problem: they don't. And if God is both omnipotent and the one who wrote the Bible, shouldn't He know that?

And those are two of the things that made me re-denounce my faith.
And thoughts, comments, et cetera?

God is omnipotent, but he did not write the bible, people wrote it under Gods inspiration, not God's word for word thought(if fact, I don't think God even thinks in words)
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| November 26, 2010, 11:51 am
Quoting Bob the inconceivably voracious turkey consumer
(if fact, I don't think God even thinks in words)

Then how does he think? You really can't "think" if you have no words.
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| November 26, 2010, 12:09 pm
Quoting Bob the inconceivably voracious turkey consumer
Being a mindless bot would be better than what I have now, a mind gives us agony, because it makes us capable, and moreover incapable of not sinning, which causes pain and guilt.

So you would rather be de@d is what you are saying? Mindlessness only allows for even more corruption. If you don't think for yourself, others would. You mind would be Pilate. You would be corrupted. Nothing can happen without your mind. Learn that, and you will see what I am saying...
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| November 26, 2010, 12:11 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
I agree with Anders. The "True Salvation" is a load of carp.
that is very bad and you then are not a christian this is a christian group

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| May 10, 2012, 12:52 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Then how does he think? You really can't "think" if you have no words.

who really cares if he thinks or not... that is just missing the point!
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| May 10, 2012, 9:56 pm
Quoting Boss Nass
First of all, where did you find the scripture saying that "all children born outside of marriage are automatically destined to end up in hell, no matter how much they praise God." Do you realise Jesus was born outside marriage? So was Ishmael, whom God saved from starvation and allowed to become the father of a nation. I think you need to double check that. Secondly, I looked up on Google "Bible verse rabbit chewing cud" and found a review on the first result, which effectively concluded that the Hebrew word simply meant a recycling of food, which rabbits do by ingesting their crap. Thirdly, don't discount something because it mentioned a scientific fact as trivial as rabbit barf. Finally, I would suggest that you probably should not take the approach of seeking evidence to the Christian faith. You will only find non-fact based commentary. It is better to try praying as though you were having a conversation. Here's a question: As a Christian, did you pray? Did you ever speak to God? If you did, then I wouldn't let "facts" disturb that.

A Very good point.
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| May 29, 2012, 8:43 pm
GUYS! guys! maybe what this person is saying IS wrong, but its not going to make God happy just to fight with him about it! You know what they say, faith the size of a mustard seed has enough power to move a mountain.
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| May 29, 2012, 9:37 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
I agree with Anders. The "True Salvation" is a load of carp.


Hi there. Perhaps this is coming three years late, but I really wish to answer some questions you have. Of course, consider my answers rationally and feel free to rebut them if you think they don't make sense, and I will try to help as much as I can.

Alright. This may be quite long.

Let us start with what we Christians believe in. We believe that there is one God who created the universe as we know it. He created every single one of us. After creation, we sinned against Him by disobeying His commands. And being a loving God, He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins. When Jesus rose from the dead, we rose from our sin so that we are free to live a life that can glorify Him.

You expressed your doubt towards an eternity of "mindlessly doing nothing". However, in Heaven, we believe that we will not be "mindlessly doing nothing". Rather, we will be worshipping God with all our soul and strength.

Ugh, you might think. Why would I want to do that, for someone that (I don't know about you, I'm just speculating) I don't know?

And that is the heart of Christianity: knowing God, loving Him and worshipping Him. We worship Him because He created us, and He created us to worship Him. It sounds really radical, yeah, but I believe that is the truth. We are not mindless, as you say, doing nothing, but we live to glorify God and not for ourselves. And it is precisely because we are not mindless that some of us do not believe in God, because He has given us free will because He loves us (even though He wishes to be worshipped. That makes Him all the greater!)

Now on to your question about God thinking in words. Let me just say that God is infinite and endless. He is not bound by the rules of this earth or science. I think that's where many non-believers are wrong. They try to disprove God with science, but that's not possible because God is beyond science. He created science as a blueprint for His creation, so He doesn't need to follow it. Let me use an analogy with Lego bricks: we all build Lego here, yes? :) We create Lego just like God creates us. But we are not like Lego. We do not follow the rules of Lego. We do not occupy studs on the ground and we are not made up of bricks. It is the same with God. He is not like us, although He sent His Son to be like us. He is beyond us. Imagine those minifigures thinking: How can there be someone who does not follow studs on plates?

Science cannot prove God. God does not need words to think. In fact, thinking is perhaps just a human notion. God simply says: "I AM."

Just to end off, science cannot prove or disprove God. That is why we have faith - we simply believe. Perhaps, as you say, there is no God, but I truly believe with all my heart that there is. And I stand for my belief just as you stand for yours.

Thanks! (If you do receive this you could reply :P)


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