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Pascal's Wager
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I don't know that much about Pascal other than he was a mathematician, but he proposed that if you believe in god and you are wrong, then you have nothing to loose. But if you don't believe and you are wrong, then you have everything to loose. I don't agree with this argument because if the christian god is omniscient, then if you do not believe for some reason, but pretend you do, then you aren't really a believer and you still loose. Besides, I would not want to live my life believing something that is false.

Know that you know my reasoning, I'd like to see what you think about Pascal's Wager and I think this could become a very interesting conversation.
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| December 5, 2010, 11:10 pm
Quoting Lionex Hunter
I don't know that much about Pascal other than he was a mathematician, but he proposed that if you believe in god and you are wrong, then you have nothing to loose. But if you don't believe and you are wrong, then you have everything to loose. I don't agree with this argument because if the christian god is omniscient, then if you do not believe for some reason, but pretend you do, then you aren't really a believer and you still loose. Besides, I would not want to live my life believing something that is false.

Know that you know my reasoning, I'd like to see what you think about Pascal's Wager and I think this could become a very interesting conversation.
I think he's right, but your right to, but we should at lest pretend to believe- we never know, the Holy Spirit might make a pretensive belief real. To your"I do not want to live a life believe in something false", if you really believe it, then you won't feel that way.

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| December 6, 2010, 12:31 am
Quoting Phazezorz .
Wait a second:

-You don't want to believe in something that's false, yet you believe in Evolution, something you cannot fully prove. So, isn't there a CHANCE it could be false? Just like there's a CHANCE there may/May not be a God?

-'Sometihng about pretending to believe'

See, just because you originally don't believe in God and then say 'Yeah, I will' doesn't mean you're pretending. Like, treat it as if it were real, and not just some fake charade.

So yeah..

I wouldn't use evolution as the thing that's false. I would use the non-existence of God, because there's more proof for evolution than for the non-existance of a God.
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| December 6, 2010, 8:07 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
'More proof of Evolution'

Well, just because there is 'more proof' doesn't mean it's factual, now, does it?
There is still a chance it could be false, however small that may be, it's still a chance.

Yes, there is a chance, but I believe in evolution anyway.
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| December 6, 2010, 8:34 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .

So your completely disregarding the Wager, then.


No, I am not.
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| December 6, 2010, 9:13 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .

...Right

So, then, you must disagree with it?

Why must I disagree with it?
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| December 6, 2010, 9:43 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .

Because your thesis goes against it, so to speak.

Less of course you don't refer to Evolution as the creation of the Earth.

I still don't understand how it goes against the wager.
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| December 6, 2010, 9:47 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .

The wager states that if it were to be decided between the two, one should go with God over the Big Bang, Evolution, whatever, because religion could potentially be the one of the two that reaps rewards.

It is possible to (like me)believe in evolution and God at the same time.
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| December 6, 2010, 9:56 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
'More proof of Evolution'

Well, just because there is 'more proof' doesn't mean it's factual, now, does it?
There is still a chance it could be false, however small that may be, it's still a chance.

You do know that evolution has been observed in the lab and in the field right? One aspect of evolution may be partially incorrect, but if it is, it will be modified to reflect the evidence. And the chance is mind bogglingly small when you consider ERVs. The probability of over 96,000 different EVRS inserting into the same locations in the human and chimp genomes are so small, most people would consider it impossible until you consider evolution. So there is a chance, but it is very, very, very, very small. Even then, if evolution turns out to be false, creation isn't the only alternative.
Also, proving something makes it factual...

Quoting Bob the inconceivably invincible
It is possible to (like me)believe in evolution and God at the same time.

You get it...

Quoting Phazezorz .

The wager states that if it were to be decided between the two, one should go with God over the Big Bang, Evolution, whatever, because religion could potentially be the one of the two that reaps rewards.

The wager was simply if you believe in a specific deity or not (for whatever reason), not if you accept science.
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| December 7, 2010, 12:21 am
Quoting Phazezorz .
I'm sorry? All I read was:

You got it right, Phazez0rz.

Oh, thanks, bro!

No I said your making it more complicated. You don't have to choose between science and a deity, all the wager says is that if you believe you are safe, if you don't you aren't. Nothing about science.
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| December 7, 2010, 7:56 am
Another debate.... sigh, I'm sorry, but I'm getting really tired of all the debates, completely filling my activity so I can't see what's important. So could you guys PLEASE move this to the Christian debating group like that other guy suggested?
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| December 8, 2010, 5:37 pm
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