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| November 27, 2013, 1:37 am
So, in round 1, we build a creation that is the riddle. We don't build Bilbo and Gollum throwing riddles at them, but take one riddle and build it into a scene. Example: Thirty (if possible) white horses prancing on a red hill. Then, have them stop. Is this what you're meaning?
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| December 5, 2013, 7:09 pm
So what your generally getting at here is for us to build a scene from LotR, and also something that fits into one of the Categories?

For Example The Bag End (The LotR Related) and Hobbits Fishing (Gollums fish riddle)


Otherwise builds would be either non lord of the rings related, or missing the category.

Thanks In Advance!
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| December 5, 2013, 8:39 pm
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Quoting Professor B.
So, in round 1, we build a creation that is the riddle. We don't build Bilbo and Gollum throwing riddles at them, but take one riddle and build it into a scene. Example: Thirty (if possible) white horses prancing on a red hill. Then, have them stop. Is this what you're meaning?

If you wish to translate that literally, I suppose you could. But as stated in the categories description, this Round is open to interpretation. The only restriction is that you can't delve into another "story theme" that some how relates to something in the Riddle. Your entry should either be LOTR/Hobbit themed or "unthemed".
Quoting Grant Davis
So what your generally getting at here is for us to build a scene from LotR, and also something that fits into one of the Categories?

For Example The Bag End (The LotR Related) and Hobbits Fishing (Gollums fish riddle)


Otherwise builds would be either non lord of the rings related, or missing the category.

Thanks In Advance!


Your build does not necisarily have to relate to LOTR/Hobbit. You can interpret the Riddle however you'd like (this is a pretty open ended set of categories). The only thing you can't do is delve into a different Lego story theme (e.g. Harry Potter, Star Wars, etc.), however a broader theme like "castle" would be okay as there's no other franchise connected to it. Hobbits fishing would be fine for the "Fish" riddle. Does that make sense?
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| December 5, 2013, 9:18 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek Does that make sense?


Yes that clears it up! Thanks!

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| December 5, 2013, 9:52 pm
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Quoting Grant Davis

Yes that clears it up! Thanks!

No problem! Glad it makes sense now! I actually made a few alterations to Round 1 category description due to your question. Hopefully the changes will make things less vague. Thanks for bringing the problems to light!
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| December 5, 2013, 10:01 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
If you wish to translate that literally, I suppose you could. But as stated in the categories description, this Round is open to interpretation. The only restriction is that you can't delve into another "story theme" that some how relates to something in the Riddle. Your entry should either be LOTR/Hobbit themed or "unthemed".
Quoting Grant Davis
So what your generally getting at here is for us to build a scene from LotR, and also something that fits into one of the Categories?

For Example The Bag End (The LotR Related) and Hobbits Fishing (Gollums fish riddle)


Otherwise builds would be either non lord of the rings related, or missing the category.

Thanks In Advance!


Your build does not necisarily have to relate to LOTR/Hobbit. You can interpret the Riddle however you'd like (this is a pretty open ended set of categories). The only thing you can't do is delve into a different Lego story theme (e.g. Harry Potter, Star Wars, etc.), however a broader theme like "castle" would be okay as there's no other franchise connected to it. Hobbits fishing would be fine for the "Fish" riddle. Does that make sense?

I think... I knew that it was all LOTR themed, yeah, I wouldn't build anything other than LOTR. But I'll see what other people are creating before building my creation. Thanks for the help!
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| December 5, 2013, 11:16 pm
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Quoting Professor B.
I think... I knew that it was all LOTR themed, yeah, I wouldn't build anything other than LOTR. But I'll see what other people are creating before building my creation. Thanks for the help!

You're not required to specifically build LOTR, but if that's what you want to do, go for it!
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| December 5, 2013, 11:25 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
You're not required to specifically build LOTR, but if that's what you want to do, go for it!

Oh, but I so want too! :D
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| December 5, 2013, 11:34 pm
What about using LED stripes to enlight the build ? Like I used in my latest "Magic Cave" creation. I have got a great idea and want it to match with the CCC Illumination category.

If it can't answer our question, we gonna eat it. :)
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| December 6, 2013, 2:18 am
For round 1, do we need to have the actual riddles in the dark scene? Or can we just do the riddle?
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| December 6, 2013, 9:38 am
So basically we can build a creation using that riddle, or build something using the answer?
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| December 6, 2013, 10:11 am
hey! i really appreciate the invite, but i know nothing about LOTR and don't make lego stuuf for, so i would prefer to pull out.
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| December 6, 2013, 10:44 am
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Quoting Disco 86
What about using LED stripes to enlight the build ? Like I used in my latest "Magic Cave" creation. I have got a great idea and want it to match with the CCC Illumination category.

If it can't answer our question, we gonna eat it. :)

As this contest isn't strictly purist, I'll allow you to do that. Heh, now you've got me curious as to which riddle (or part of a riddle, or answer) you're going to tackle! I look forward to seeing your entry, Paul. You put up a fantastic performance last year.
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| December 6, 2013, 11:24 am
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Quoting Caleb (Back from the Philippines)
For round 1, do we need to have the actual riddles in the dark scene? Or can we just do the riddle?

Just do a riddle. I suppose you could build the riddles in the dark scene (perhaps in relation to the riddle about DARK), but you're welcome to be way more imaginative than that. The categories are not restricted to scenes from the stories. They're restricted to however you'd like to interpret the content (or part of the content, or the answer) of your select riddle (other "story themes" excluded). Does that answer your question?
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| December 6, 2013, 11:49 am
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Quoting sam the first
hey! i really appreciate the invite, but i know nothing about LOTR and don't make lego stuuf for, so i would prefer to pull out.

Kinda' makes me wonder why you're plugged into all these Tolkien themed forums, but okay then! Nobody is required to enter, though we certainly hope that some people do!
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| December 6, 2013, 11:51 am
Quoting Ian Spacek
Kinda' makes me wonder why you're plugged into all these Tolkien themed forums, but okay then! Nobody is required to enter, though we certainly hope that some people do!

i only go on fellowship of the brick because it's a good community, but i have no idea what Tolkien is.
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| December 6, 2013, 11:56 am
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Quoting Matthew Oh
So basically we can build a creation using that riddle, or build something using the answer?

Yup! Or you could use a select few lines of 1 riddle. Or you could somehow represent both the riddle and answer in 1 build. It's quite an open ended set of categories!
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| December 6, 2013, 11:57 am
Quoting sam the first
i only go on fellowship of the brick because it's a good community, but i have no idea what Tolkien is.

Tolkien wrote all about Middle Earth, he created it.
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| December 6, 2013, 11:57 am
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Quoting sam the first
i only go on fellowship of the brick because it's a good community, but i have no idea what Tolkien is.

You should check him out sometime. He's written some masterful stories. He was also best friends with C.S. Lewis, who wrote the Narnia books. Have you heard of Narnia?

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| December 6, 2013, 12:00 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
You should check him out sometime. He's written some masterful stories. He was also best friends with C.S. Lewis, who wrote the Narnia books. Have you heard of Narnia?

i know what Narnia is, definitely. ;D thanks for informing me!
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| December 6, 2013, 12:08 pm
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Quoting sam the first
i know what Narnia is, definitely. ;D thanks for informing me!

Well, if you like Narnia, I'd highly recommend checking out some J.R.R. Tolkien books. Perhaps start with The Hobbit.
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| December 6, 2013, 6:39 pm
So, a basically most likely answered question here, but I just want to make sure. So we can build one line or something of a riddle? Or we could literally make the riddle or answer?
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| December 6, 2013, 6:53 pm
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Quoting A. Sargent
So, a basically most likely answered question here, but I just want to make sure. So we can build one line or something of a riddle? Or we could literally make the riddle or answer?

Yup! Just as long as it's accomplished in 1 build.
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| December 6, 2013, 6:54 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
Yup! Just as long as it's done in 1 build.

Thanks!
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| December 6, 2013, 7:01 pm
So it cannot be multiple builds for round 1, can I do a scene showing....say Bilbo getting older and his adventures?
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| December 8, 2013, 10:56 am
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Quoting Chris .
So it cannot be multiple builds for round 1, can I do a scene showing....say Bilbo getting older and his adventures?

The "life outline" idea be extraordinarily tricky to depict in a ONE scene build. Which category were you considering doing that for, Time?

I suppose there is one way you could do it, but it would have to be region/map based. Perhaps you could have Bilbo growing up in the Shire, so you could build a segment of the Shire, and then have different aged Bilbo's scattered about doing different activities as he gets older. That might work, but I still think it'd be hard. Or...maybe if you built the entire map of Middle Earth in which Bilbo travels you could get away with it...but that's quite a daunting task. I'll leave it up to your judgement! When all is said and done, it's possible to do what you've requested, but I think it'd be difficult to do tastefully.
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| December 8, 2013, 12:53 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek


Yes I was going to do time, but now I am doing the Dark Riddle. Thanks for the information and I have a great idea for Round 1 now!

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| December 8, 2013, 4:15 pm
I'm still confused about the link on the entry. Do you put the link to this homepage on your entry? Or do you put a link to my homepage on the entry?
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| December 10, 2013, 1:10 pm
Not saying that I'm going to do one, but are stopmotions allowed?
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| December 10, 2013, 3:58 pm
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Quoting Moriah Quint
I'm still confused about the link on the entry. Do you put the link to this homepage on your entry? Or do you put a link to my homepage on the entry?

A link to this group's homepage is what's required for this Round.
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| December 10, 2013, 4:00 pm
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Quoting Graham Gidman
Not saying that I'm going to do one, but are stopmotions allowed?

No stopmotions, sorry. This is a MOCing contest, not an animation contest.
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| December 10, 2013, 4:01 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
No stopmotions, sorry. This is a MOCing contest, not an animation contest.
I didn't think they would be, but I thought I'd ask anyway. :)
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| December 10, 2013, 4:02 pm
hi Ian,
I was thinking of making a scene from the last riddle 'All things it devours, birds, beasts, trees, flowers. Gnaws iron, bites steel, grinds hard stone to meal. Slays kings, ruins towns, beats high mountains down'. I was wondering if it would be alright if I made a scene from each separate sentence, or if that would be against the rules. Thanks!
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| December 12, 2013, 12:06 pm
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Quoting Raymond Hanus
hi Ian,
I was thinking of making a scene from the last riddle 'All things it devours, birds, beasts, trees, flowers. Gnaws iron, bites steel, grinds hard stone to meal. Slays kings, ruins towns, beats high mountains down'. I was wondering if it would be alright if I made a scene from each separate sentence, or if that would be against the rules. Thanks!

Yeah, according to the Rules you can only tackle one build, sorry Raymond! If you can figure out a way to incorporate all of those things into 1 scene, go for it! But you can't do separate scenes. I hope that answers your question!
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| December 12, 2013, 12:24 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
Yeah, according to the Rules you can only tackle one build, sorry Raymond! If you can figure out a way to incorporate all of those things into 1 scene, go for it! But you can't do separate scenes. I hope that answers your question!
If all the scenes connect somehow, would it be allowed then?
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| December 12, 2013, 4:39 pm
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Quoting Graham Gidman If all the scenes connect somehow, would it be allowed then?

Well, it would depend on how you connect the scenes. If you can somehow have multiple things going on in 1 scene...that might work. But I'd generally be inclined to say no, as you can't really have multiple scenes when you're limited to 1 scene.


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| December 12, 2013, 4:58 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
Yeah, according to the Rules you can only tackle one build, sorry Raymond! If you can figure out a way to incorporate all of those things into 1 scene, go for it! But you can't do separate scenes. I hope that answers your question!

Thanks Ian, that answers my question. But all in one scene hmmmm, that gives me some Ideas...
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| December 12, 2013, 5:39 pm
Could a red hill be interpreted to mean a blood-stained hill?
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| December 17, 2013, 8:06 am
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Quoting royalbrickcustoms (RBC)
Could a red hill be interpreted to mean a blood-stained hill?

Heh, graphic! But I suppose it could. Go for it.
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| December 17, 2013, 9:48 am
Thanks Ian! :)

One more question:

Do we have to include 30 white horses in our interpretation? Would it help or even hurt our chances if we did, or didn't?
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| December 17, 2013, 9:51 am
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Quoting royalbrickcustoms (RBC)
Thanks Ian! :)

One more question:

Do we have to include 30 white horses in our interpretation? Would it help or even hurt our chances if we did, or didn't?

Considering I've said that the categories are open to interpretation, I'm not going to answer that. Do what you feel works best for you.
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| December 17, 2013, 5:48 pm
When will round 2 start and end?
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| December 18, 2013, 10:13 am
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Quoting Jackson Williams
When will round 2 start and end?

We probably won't be able to tell you the exact R2 start and deadline from now, because we always need to wait for the judges' ratings on the creations, before we can start a second round. This may take a few days. There may also be an extended deadline, if too many people still aren't done with their entry, so we really can't tell you at the moment.
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| December 18, 2013, 5:58 pm
Are micro-scale builds allowed? (they are my specialty)
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| December 23, 2013, 11:56 am
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Quoting Raymond Hanus
Are micro-scale builds allowed? (they are my specialty)

Yup! Any scale is permitted. I think it says that in one of the Rules.
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| December 23, 2013, 4:42 pm
A question kind of came to me. I'm not sure yet if it will apply to me, though.

So say someone builds a stellar R1 build and goes to R2.

And in R2, say they build the same kind of stellar thing and make it fit the category. Would their results not be as high because they used the same idea two rounds in a row?

Or is the previous round forgotten and it's okay if an idea is repeated?

I hope I'm wording this correctly. Just a little question that came to mind.
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| December 23, 2013, 7:48 pm
Quoting Alex Rode
A question kind of came to me. I'm not sure yet if it will apply to me, though.

So say someone builds a stellar R1 build and goes to R2.

And in R2, say they build the same kind of stellar thing and make it fit the category. Would their results not be as high because they used the same idea two rounds in a row?

Or is the previous round forgotten and it's okay if an idea is repeated?

I hope I'm wording this correctly. Just a little question that came to mind.

You like the word stellar a lot.
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| December 23, 2013, 8:27 pm
I don't mean to be impatient or pesky, but could someone answer my question?
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| December 26, 2013, 10:01 pm
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Quoting Alex Rode
A question kind of came to me. I'm not sure yet if it will apply to me, though.

So say someone builds a stellar R1 build and goes to R2.

And in R2, say they build the same kind of stellar thing and make it fit the category. Would their results not be as high because they used the same idea two rounds in a row?

Or is the previous round forgotten and it's okay if an idea is repeated?

I hope I'm wording this correctly. Just a little question that came to mind.

I think I understand what you're saying. I assume you personally would be referring to the mosaic approach, yes? Well, according to the actual rules, there's nothing to stop you from repeating it. Provided that you move on though, I think you're right in thinking that it could become old hat. I can't speak for my fellow judges, but here's a personal pet peeve of mine when it comes to mosaics: I don't know what your approach is, but I do believe that any builder who knows how to create and follow a graph and has some endurance can build a good mosaic. That said, while some mosaic builders are incredibly skilled (hand drawing/building without graphs), any person can still get the same result by using a graph (I've done it). I think this is why mosaics are often times overlooked in the Lego community. Now please don't take what I've said as a bash against any of your work. No matter what your approach is, working with only gray-scale is tricky and commendable. But all that to say, I doubt you'd last out the entire games using the same method over and over. You're permitted to try nonetheless. And if I was being presumptuous about the mosaics, I think the same thing would apply for any other approach. My two cents! Hope that answered your question!
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| December 27, 2013, 10:06 am
Quoting Ian Spacek
I think I understand what you're saying. I assume you personally would be referring to the mosaic approach, yes? Well, according to the actual rules, there's nothing to stop you from repeating it. Provided that you move on though, I think you're right in thinking that it could become old hat. I can't speak for my fellow judges, but here's a personal pet peeve of mine when it comes to mosaics: I don't know what your approach is, but I do believe that any builder who knows how to create and follow a graph and has some endurance can build a good mosaic. That said, while some mosaic builders are incredibly skilled (hand drawing/building without graphs), any person can still get the same result by using a graph (I've done it). I think this is why mosaics are often times overlooked in the Lego community. Now please don't take what I've said as a bash against any of your work. No matter what your approach is, working with a black and white palette is tricky and commendable. But all that to say, I doubt you'd last out the entire games using the same method over and over. And if I was being presumptuous about the mosaic, I think the same thing would apply for any other approach. My two cents! Hope they answered your question!

Ah, thank you very much, Ian! That totally answers my question. I doubt I'd last the whole thing, too, haha. Thanks again!
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| December 27, 2013, 10:08 am
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Quoting Alex Rode
I doubt I'd last the whole thing, too, haha.

Hey! I didn't quite say that! No doom talk yet! And if you make it to the next round, you've got a 50% chance of NOT being in my bracket, so you wouldn't have my pet peeve to worry about. ;)
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| December 27, 2013, 10:16 am
Quoting Ian Spacek
Hey! I didn't quite say that! No doom talk yet! And if you make it to the next round, you've got a 50% chance of NOT being in my bracket, so you wouldn't have my pet peeve to worry about. ;)

Haha, all right, let's hope I'm not in your bracket :P
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| December 27, 2013, 10:34 am
I was working on a little entry and then I realized that it may not exactly apply. Is it acceptable to build something that answers the riddle but is in no way related to LoTR?

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| December 29, 2013, 8:53 pm
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Quoting Daniel T. Fol
I was working on a little entry and then I realized that it may not exactly apply. Is it acceptable to build something that answers the riddle but is in no way related to LoTR?

Read the category section of the Round 1 thread, it should answer your question. If not, than I'll try, but I've answered similar questions a few times already.
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| December 29, 2013, 9:03 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek

Hey Ian, I've got a quick question.
I decided to enter, and, after some brainstorming, I decided to build a scene from the Fellowship of the Ring. As you probably know, there is a chapter in the book called, "A Journey in the Dark." (Mines of Moria.) I have already built and photographed it, and I was just going to upload it when I noticed that my friend, Jacob Pennington, had built the same scene that I had. (The same thing happened to me in the MOCOlympics.) Can I still enter it?
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| January 1, 2014, 5:17 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek
Hey Ian, I've got a quick question.
I decided to enter, and, after some brainstorming, I decided to build a scene from the Fellowship of the Ring. As you probably know, there is a chapter in the book called, "A Journey in the Dark." (Mines of Moria.) I have already built and photographed it, and I was just going to upload it when I noticed that my friend, Jacob Pennington, had built the same scene that I had. (The same thing happened to me in the MOCOlympics.) Can I still enter it?

Yes you certainly may.

I had that happen in the MOs too, the only downside to it happening is that if one is better than the other some judges might not give the latter as good of a score, however this is certainly not how I judge it, and I definitely think you should still enter yours.

~Mark
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| January 2, 2014, 12:46 am
This is more unrelated than not, so feel free to ignore it. (But I know Mark and Micheal know almost everything about elves. Especially Mark)


Were Elves ever described as being short?
My uncle said that in a little part of The Hobbit(the book) it said they were short as hobbits, but I think he was mistaken.

However, I can't get it off my mind, and I already looked up to see if they were and I can find nothing. Soo...


Were they short or tall? :D
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| January 2, 2014, 12:53 am
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Quoting David .
Were Elves ever described as being short?

Tauriel is kinda' short. ;)

Yeah, I'll leave Mark or Michael to answer this one if they want.
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| January 2, 2014, 1:32 am
When does round 1 end?
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| January 2, 2014, 9:43 am
Hey Ian, how do I create a link to MELO home page?
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| January 2, 2014, 10:27 am
Quoting Tom Beigel
When does round 1 end?

January 5th
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| January 2, 2014, 11:16 am
Quoting Tom Beigel
Hey Ian, how do I create a link to MELO home page?

use this code in the about section of your post.

<a href=Place link here>wright what you want to be the link here</a>

if that dose not make sense go here http://mocpages.com/help/html_tips.php
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| January 2, 2014, 11:20 am
Quoting Lee Muzzy
use this code in the about section of your post.

<a href=Place link here>wright what you want to be the link here</a>

if that dose not make sense go here http://mocpages.com/help/html_tips.php


Thank you so much Lee! That worked!
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| January 2, 2014, 12:32 pm
Quoting Tom Beigel

Thank you so much Lee! That worked!

your welcome you might want to read the rules thread next time.
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| January 2, 2014, 12:39 pm
Quoting Lee Muzzy
your welcome you might want to read the rules thread next time.

I did, pretty thoroughly actually.
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| January 2, 2014, 2:15 pm
Quoting Tom Beigel
I did, pretty thoroughly actually.

Good!
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| January 2, 2014, 3:05 pm
So, just to confirm, we can build ANYTHING having to do with the riddles, even if it is not related to Middle Earth whatsoever, correct?
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| January 2, 2014, 5:51 pm
Quoting Matthew Oh
So, just to confirm, we can build ANYTHING having to do with the riddles, even if it is not related to Middle Earth whatsoever, correct?
Correct.
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| January 2, 2014, 6:07 pm
Quoting Matthew Oh
So, just to confirm, we can build ANYTHING having to do with the riddles, even if it is not related to Middle Earth whatsoever, correct?

Technically. But don't build Star Wars, Harry Potter, etc. as stated in R1's rules.
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| January 2, 2014, 6:36 pm
Thanks guys!

Quoting Professor B.
Technically. But don't build Star Wars, Harry Potter, etc. as stated in R1's rules.


Haha, yeah, I know that, I was thinking in terms of regular medieval/castle themed.
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| January 2, 2014, 7:39 pm
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Quoting David .
This is more unrelated than not, so feel free to ignore it. (But I know Mark and Micheal know almost everything about elves. Especially Mark)


Were Elves ever described as being short?
My uncle said that in a little part of The Hobbit(the book) it said they were short as hobbits, but I think he was mistaken.

However, I can't get it off my mind, and I already looked up to see if they were and I can find nothing. Soo...


Were they short or tall? :D

Ok, I am very, very glad to answer this.


Basically, the original term "Elf" was created in Norse Mythology. It referred to a being that was entirely inhuman. However, their descriptions vary. Some sources say they were super tiny with wings, others talk about them being tall people that love to sing. All sources do agree that they were very merry people, and that were immortal.

That said, Tolkien (quite obviously) got his entire world from the Norse. Trolls, elves, dwarves, and even Ents (though they aren't called that) all came from the Norse myths. Even his world "Middke-earth" comes from the term "Mid-gard".

Ok, so Tolkien chose to make his elves based off of the tall elves in Norse myths. In the Hobbit, he never mentions their height. He might mention it in LOTR, though I do not recall him doing so. Regardless in an essay he wrote he says:

"The Eldar grew in bodily form slower than Men, but in mind more swiftly. They learned to speak before they were one year old; and in the same time they learned to walk and to dance, for their wills came soon to the mastery of their bodies. Nonetheless there was less difference between the two Kindreds, Elves and Men, in early youth; and a man who watched elf-children at play might well have believed that they were the children of Men, of some fair and happy people. For in their early days elf-children delighted still in the world about them, and the fire of their spirit had not consumed them, and the burden of memory was still light upon them.

"This same watcher might indeed have wondered at the small limbs and stature of these children, judging their age by their skill in words and grace in motion. For at the end of the third year mortal children began to outstrip the Elves, hastening on to a full stature while the Elves lingered in the first spring of childhood. Children of Men might reach their full height while Eldar of the same age were still in the body like to mortals of no more than seven years. Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some hundred years would pass before they were full-grown."

This all in his article, quite clearly implies that the elves' height was at least as great as men, if not a bit taller.

Also, in the Silmarillion, Tolkien talks about when the Eldar (elves) were created. He talks about them being very similar to men, but says that they were fairer and greater.

All of this said, Elves, at least in Tolkien's works, are tall.

In fact the first time it became popular for an elf to be tall is when the term was used to describe the "helpers" of Santa, but that is of course far newer than the original Norse myths, and from what I have read it is unlikely that the original myths said they were short.

Does that answer your question David?

~Mark
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| January 2, 2014, 7:48 pm
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Quoting Matthew Oh

Haha, yeah, I know that, I was thinking in terms of regular medieval/castle themed.

A regular castle themed build would be fine.
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| January 2, 2014, 8:16 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
Ok, I am very, very glad to answer this.
...Very full and helpful answer deleted because it would unnecessarily clutter up space...

Indeed! Thanks Mark! :D
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| January 2, 2014, 9:25 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
Yes you certainly may.

I had that happen in the MOs too, the only downside to it happening is that if one is better than the other some judges might not give the latter as good of a score, however this is certainly not how I judge it, and I definitely think you should still enter yours.

~Mark

Thanks Mark! Just noticed that we have very similar names! ;)

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| January 2, 2014, 10:47 pm
Hi Ian (or other judges), Happy New Year! And thanks for your generosity in running this contest again!
I'm debating whether to enter at the moment - I actually built an entry suitable for R1 already but I'm wondering a bit about the following rounds, if I were to get through. Are the categories going to be pretty directly locations/events from the books, as last year, or slightly more open to taking a sideways approach? The reason I ask is that I don't generally collect LotR sets, so if I get a category that needs a bunch of specific characters I'll be stumped. (Bricklink is pretty slow where I live too!) I'd appreciate any general ideas about what to expect in the following rounds, without of course giving too much away!
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| January 3, 2014, 3:05 am
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Quoting Stuart Lucas
Hi Ian (or other judges), Happy New Year! And thanks for your generosity in running this contest again!
I'm debating whether to enter at the moment - I actually built an entry suitable for R1 already but I'm wondering a bit about the following rounds, if I were to get through. Are the categories going to be pretty directly locations/events from the books, as last year, or slightly more open to taking a sideways approach? The reason I ask is that I don't generally collect LotR sets, so if I get a category that needs a bunch of specific characters I'll be stumped. (Bricklink is pretty slow where I live too!) I'd appreciate any general ideas about what to expect in the following rounds, without of course giving too much away!

Hi there Stuart! I'm not going to give away too much, but here's what I can say: The Rounds do get more specific after this, but not quite as specific as last year. Yes, you will be required to build LOTR, etc., however, you're not required to use official figs. You can design your own. Hope that answers your question!
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| January 3, 2014, 10:38 am
Quoting Matthew Oh

Haha, yeah, I know that, I was thinking in terms of regular medieval/castle themed.

I was guessing that.
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| January 3, 2014, 12:36 pm
Are we allowed to use photoshop to change the hue of a hairpiece? I have a hair which I think works really well for Gandalf, but it's not grey so I'd have to do a hue adjust on it in post.

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| January 3, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Quoting David .
Indeed! Thanks Mark! :D

You are most welcome.
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| January 3, 2014, 1:55 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Are we allowed to use photoshop to change the hue of a hairpiece? I have a hair which I think works really well for Gandalf, but it's not grey so I'd have to do a hue adjust on it in post.

I am all right with that, but make sure you include at least one picture without the color change.
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| January 3, 2014, 2:01 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Are we allowed to use photoshop to change the hue of a hairpiece? I have a hair which I think works really well for Gandalf, but it's not grey so I'd have to do a hue adjust on it in post.

I would say it isn't forbidden, as long as you ask in the MELO group what you would like to change and as long as you write in the description that you used photoshop. You can use photoshop for very small things like Gandalf's hairpiece, but please don't use it for really big things, because the quality of the creation should be the same it had without any photo editing.
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| January 3, 2014, 2:06 pm
Alright, thanks guys! I'll include a "clean" picture so you can see the creation unedited, and clearly state what's been done.
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| January 3, 2014, 2:37 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Are we allowed to use photoshop to change the hue of a hairpiece? I have a hair which I think works really well for Gandalf, but it's not grey so I'd have to do a hue adjust on it in post.

Would this be Thorin's hairpiece?
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| January 3, 2014, 4:54 pm
Hey guys! My build is almost done. I just noticed in the round 1 thread that we can only do our build based on ONE of the riddles. My moc is an interpretation of all of them. *Spoiler*, I made minifigure versions to the answers of all the riddles. Is that ok? Hope you read this soon!
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| January 3, 2014, 4:55 pm
Quoting Finn tegotash
Would this be Thorin's hairpiece?

No, it's actually Luke Skywalker's. I wish I had Thorin...
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| January 3, 2014, 4:57 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
No, it's actually Luke Skywalker's. I wish I had Thorin...

Ah, I never thought of that hair for Gandalf, I'll be excited to see it when it's done!
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| January 3, 2014, 5:08 pm
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Quoting Linnea Stevens
Hey guys! My build is almost done. I just noticed in the round 1 thread that we can only do our build based on ONE of the riddles. My moc is an interpretation of all of them. *Spoiler*, I made minifigure versions to the answers of all the riddles. Is that ok? Hope you read this soon!

I would say it would probably be all right, but Ian is really the one to ask for that.
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| January 3, 2014, 7:08 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
"It's got to ask uss a question, my preciouss...." ~Gollum

If you've got questions, ask 'em here! We'll do our best to provide helpful answers. Note: Please carefully read through the rules before asking any questions. If your question is answered in the rules thread, we're going to ignore it.

I've got a question, and I hope you have an answer! (Soon, too!) Now, when I try to copy the link to the MELO home page, whenever I try to paste it on my entry creation, and the link won't work. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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| January 4, 2014, 4:39 pm
Quoting Nathan Pownell
I've got a question, and I hope you have an answer! (Soon, too!) Now, when I try to copy the link to the MELO home page, whenever I try to paste it on my entry creation, and the link won't work. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Here, this might help: http://mocpages.com/help/html_tips.php
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| January 4, 2014, 4:40 pm
Quoting Nathan Pownell
I've got a question, and I hope you have an answer! (Soon, too!) Now, when I try to copy the link to the MELO home page, whenever I try to paste it on my entry creation, and the link won't work. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Also, make sure you're not putting the link in the introduction. HTML only works in the text box where your photos' code goes.
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| January 4, 2014, 4:47 pm
Quoting Graham Gidman
Quoting Nathan Pownell
I've got a question, and I hope you have an answer! (Soon, too!) Now, when I try to copy the link to the MELO home page, whenever I try to paste it on my entry creation, and the link won't work. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Here, this might help: http://mocpages.com/help/html_tips.php

Thanks, Graham… But I still can't get that to work either… This is not going well...
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| January 4, 2014, 4:52 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Also, make sure you're not putting the link in the introduction. HTML only works in the text box where your photos' code goes.

Oh… Thanks a lot, man. Okay… Let me try this. (I'm SUCH a newbie… :P)
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| January 4, 2014, 4:54 pm
Quoting Nathan Pownell
Oh… Thanks a lot, man. Okay… Let me try this. (I'm SUCH a newbie… :P)

Just paste this in the box I mentioned:
<a href=http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/23408>MELO Group</a>
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| January 4, 2014, 4:56 pm
Quick question!
I know in the rules section it says parts from third party venders are okay, and a few were mentioned like brickarms. I know that pertains almost exculsively to minifigures, and I just wanted to clarify, is it alright if leaf pieces from alt bricks are used?

thank you!
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| January 5, 2014, 2:30 am
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Quoting Eric Rathke
...is it alright if leaf pieces from alt bricks are used?

Sure!
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| January 5, 2014, 2:37 am
It's in the rules that we can't change anything in our entrys when they're added to the group with two exceptions. Can I turn off parental guidiance though? People say my MOC doesn't need it.
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| January 6, 2014, 4:50 am
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Quoting Thomas .
It's in the rules that we can't change anything in our entrys when they're added to the group with two exceptions. Can I turn off parental guidiance though? People say my MOC doesn't need it.

I think that's ok. I mean, it's not really a change on the creation, more a general change.
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| January 6, 2014, 6:11 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think that's ok. I mean, it's not really a change on the creation, more a general change.

Ok, thanks.
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| January 6, 2014, 1:19 pm
no Pressure but when will scores be updated?
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| January 6, 2014, 6:33 pm
my build disappeared from the homepage
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| January 9, 2014, 5:28 pm
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Quoting SandMirror 38
my build disappeared from the homepage

Well, I can promise you that none of the judges touched it. So either you removed it, or the build fell victim to a MOCpages glitch.
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| January 9, 2014, 5:59 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
Well, I can promise you that none of the judges touched it. So either you removed it, or the build fell victim to a MOCpages glitch.


Oh :(
Would you be able to add it back in please?

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| January 9, 2014, 6:02 pm
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Quoting SandMirror 38

Oh :(
Would you be able to add it back in please?

Sure, seeing as it was already in at one point (and Round 2 hasn't started), I'll unlock the group real quick. Please add it ASAP.
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| January 9, 2014, 6:05 pm
Done :)
Thanks very much :D
Just wondering could you tell me what you gave me for my build?
I would really like to hear personal opinions rather then just 28 or whatever it was :)
If not that's ok
Thanks again,
Ben
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| January 9, 2014, 6:08 pm
So basically, just like round 1, we don't HAVE to build something from LOTR/Hobbit/etc (maybe castle)? Though LOTR/Hobbit/etc is preferred, correct?
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| January 9, 2014, 11:53 pm
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Quoting Matthew Oh
So basically, just like round 1, we don't HAVE to build something from LOTR/Hobbit/etc (maybe castle)? Though LOTR/Hobbit/etc is preferred, correct?

Pretty much, though I don't think things are even that strict. If a none LOTR build for a category is better than a LOTR one, we'll vote for the better build (as long as it clearly relates to the quote).
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| January 10, 2014, 10:39 am
Just want to make sure I understand this Ian. If I were to post my creation before my opponent did, I wouldn't have to have a link to homepage or anything, right?
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| January 11, 2014, 8:08 pm
Just a simple question. My build is based off of another fantasy series that is very like the LOTR. As it has many elements like a LOTR scene, would it be going against the "All we ask is that you REFRAIN from including other story themes in your entry (e.g. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Superheroes, etc.)" rule.
~Zach
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| January 16, 2014, 4:13 pm
I was wondering if it would be all right if I Photoshop'd some clear bricks that are holding something up? I would be including a photo without it being Photoshop'd, so that you can see that I didn't change anything about the actual model.
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| January 16, 2014, 4:18 pm
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Quoting Professor B.
Just want to make sure I understand this Ian. If I were to post my creation before my opponent did, I wouldn't have to have a link to homepage or anything, right?

You'd need a link to HIS homepage (and the MELO homepage if you so desired), but seeing as he posted first, now you should just link to his entry.
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| January 16, 2014, 5:58 pm
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Quoting Zach Lucia
Just a simple question. My build is based off of another fantasy series that is very like the LOTR. As it has many elements like a LOTR scene, would it be going against the "All we ask is that you REFRAIN from including other story themes in your entry (e.g. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Superheroes, etc.)" rule.
~Zach

If it's not one you created yourself, yes it would break that rule. Please stay away from including separate story themes, no matter how akin to LOTR they are.
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| January 16, 2014, 5:59 pm
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Quoting J-rod Smith
I was wondering if it would be all right if I Photoshop'd some clear bricks that are holding something up? I would be including a photo without it being Photoshop'd, so that you can see that I didn't change anything about the actual model.

If you still include a shot of "how it's done", it's okay if you edit the clear support bricks out for the main photo.
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| January 16, 2014, 6:01 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
If it's not one you created yourself, yes it would break that rule. Please stay away from including separate story themes, no matter how akin to LOTR they are.

What if I leave the general story behind, and only loosely base it off of the story? Like I took the Moria scene, and changed key elements to make it my own story?
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| January 16, 2014, 6:02 pm
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Quoting Zach Lucia
What if I leave the general story behind, and only loosely base it off of the story? Like I took the Moria scene, and changed key elements to make it my own story?

All I can say is: as long as it does NOT relate to another official story franchise, it should be okay.
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| January 16, 2014, 6:03 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
All I can say is: as long as it does NOT relate to another official story franchise, it should be okay.

Got it. Just wanted to clarify.
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| January 16, 2014, 6:04 pm
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