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National news convo 1

This is where you post you national news, including the happenings in your nation, general news, and politics.

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| December 26, 2013, 10:45 pm
The New German Empire will commence it's production status...
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| December 27, 2013, 12:31 pm
Hei Wang Guo's development teams have been tasked with designing a completely new military force from either soviet designs or new models to form the base for our nation. More to Follow...
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| December 27, 2013, 2:28 pm
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Quoting Broken Bricks soviet designs
you mean Tongorian, right?

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| December 27, 2013, 5:19 pm
Quoting Broken Bricks
Hei Wang Guo's development teams have been tasked with designing a completely new military force from either soviet designs or new models to form the base for our nation. More to Follow...


Or Iberian. The Republic of Iberia IS looking to export.
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| December 27, 2013, 7:59 pm
The Polish Federation has begun production of military units. Plans for many more are being developed.
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| December 28, 2013, 12:34 pm
In light of the rapid arming of all those around us, the Neo British empire has began work on our first vehicle, the Centaur MBT. A series of vehicles will also be based on this chasis.
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| December 28, 2013, 1:59 pm
The Reich is developing it's first Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) that will serve as our national pride.


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| December 28, 2013, 2:40 pm
The Swiss-Österreich Empire is finalizing production of Prototype weapondry that wan unfinished after Germany's defeat in WWII.
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| December 28, 2013, 6:45 pm
Quoting Colin Small

Or Iberian. The Republic of Iberia IS looking to export.

New Judah is interested in any vehicles you would be exporting (meh, no one has said what they would be exporting, i would like to know what people are exporting/licensing so i can choose)
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| December 28, 2013, 8:39 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
New Judah is interested in any vehicles you would be exporting (meh, no one has said what they would be exporting, i would like to know what people are exporting/licensing so i can choose)

I'll be exporting WW2 to early 1950's tech, expect to be able to see what I have aviable within a day or so.
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| December 28, 2013, 9:13 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
New Judah is interested in any vehicles you would be exporting (meh, no one has said what they would be exporting, i would like to know what people are exporting/licensing so i can choose)


I am exporting the old Type 5x vehicles and various aircraft. Please tell me what exactly from our inventory you would like.

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| December 28, 2013, 10:57 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'll be exporting WW2 to early 1950's tech, expect to be able to see what I have aviable within a day or so.
look forward to it

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| December 28, 2013, 11:19 pm
Quoting Colin Small

I am exporting the old Type 5x vehicles and various aircraft. Please tell me what exactly from our inventory you would like.
Interested in the type 57, Cierva H-109D (are helis too advanced), and the CF-92
(also the type 62, 50 Pounder Anti-Tank Gun, and the Mosadi-Class, but they may not exist yet/ are not included in export)

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| December 28, 2013, 11:25 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Colin Small

I am exporting the old Type 5x vehicles and various aircraft. Please tell me what exactly from our inventory you would like.
Interested in the type 57, Cierva H-109D (are helis too advanced), and the CF-92
(also the type 62, 50 Pounder Anti-Tank Gun, and the Mosadi-Class, but they may not exist yet/ are not included in export)

No, early helicopters are not too advanced. Perhaps it hasn't been made clear, but if it was able to be made in the 50's then the technology is valid. Doing some researching on 50's era tech might be a good idea for those who don't know what they can and can't use.
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| December 29, 2013, 12:38 am
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Colin Small

I am exporting the old Type 5x vehicles and various aircraft. Please tell me what exactly from our inventory you would like.
Interested in the type 57, Cierva H-109D (are helis too advanced), and the CF-92
(also the type 62, 50 Pounder Anti-Tank Gun, and the Mosadi-Class, but they may not exist yet/ are not included in export)


The Type 62s are in production, but not for export. The 50 Pounders are for export, and the Mosadi-Class ships are not for export. The H-109d and the CF-92 are also not for export. This leads you with the Type 57 and the 50 Pounders to buy.
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| December 29, 2013, 1:25 am
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Broken Bricks soviet designs
you mean Tongorian, right?

Well, soviet designs before your nations was formed.
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| December 29, 2013, 7:29 am
Hei Wang Guo have released our first military units, the Type 50/2 Light Tank and the Type-10 105mm field howitzer.

#breaks out of character# Apologies for the poor photo quality...I am currently in the process of moving stuff around in my house and could not use my regular photo set up.

Find them on Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/broken-bricks/
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| December 29, 2013, 7:48 am
Panther medium tank in production...
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| December 29, 2013, 9:55 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
No, early helicopters are not too advanced. Perhaps it hasn't been made clear, but if it was able to be made in the 50's then the technology is valid. Doing some researching on 50's era tech might be a good idea for those who don't know what they can and can't use.
Here is the problem, there are alot of things that they where able to make in the 50's but from how the general consensus, if you cant find a vehicle that looks just like it from that era, you cant use it. Anyway i am working on a pack with direct conections to 50's or 40's tech.

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| December 29, 2013, 10:12 am
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Matthew McCall
No, early helicopters are not too advanced. Perhaps it hasn't been made clear, but if it was able to be made in the 50's then the technology is valid. Doing some researching on 50's era tech might be a good idea for those who don't know what they can and can't use.
Here is the problem, there are alot of things that they where able to make in the 50's but from how the general consensus, if you cant find a vehicle that looks just like it from that era, you cant use it. Anyway i am working on a pack with direct conections to 50's or 40's tech.

Actaully, you can go and build your own 50's style vehicle that isn't directly based off real world designs, but if you choose to do so it should resemble general 50's technology, which means for that you can't build a fighter that looks like a F-15 even if you have it the specs of an F-4 Phantom. Speaking of F-4 Phantoms: even though they weren't used officially until May 1960, since they were flying for several years in the 1950s they would be allowed.
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| December 29, 2013, 11:20 am
New Judah has released several new vehicles
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/377530
Some of them are available for export
(if the general consensus is that some of them are too advanced i will not use them, however, i believe i have provided ample examples of the 50's tech these vehicles are based upon)
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| December 29, 2013, 12:17 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
New Judah has released several new vehicles
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/377530
Some of them are available for export
(if the general consensus is that some of them are too advanced i will not use them, however, i believe i have provided ample examples of the 50's tech these vehicles are based upon)


I would say they are too advanced. They are either too big, too powerful, or too advanced-looking. I'll take your helicopter for example. A bottom-nosed mounted machine gun is too advanced. This is the early 50's. If you mount it inside the nose, that would be more acceptable. You also can't have a twin-rotor V-22 style helicopter at least until the 70's. And this goes with mostly all of your creatures, they just look too advanced. There is nothing inherently bad about looking too advanced, but it breaks "immersion" when there are suddenly super-futuristic jet fighters and helicopters fighting off against those same vehicles but looking more accurate for their time.
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| December 29, 2013, 2:37 pm
Quoting Colin Small

I would say they are too advanced. They are either too big, too powerful, or too advanced-looking. I'll take your helicopter for example. A bottom-nosed mounted machine gun is too advanced. This is the early 50's. If you mount it inside the nose, that would be more acceptable. You also can't have a twin-rotor V-22 style helicopter at least until the 70's. And this goes with mostly all of your creatures, they just look too advanced. There is nothing inherently bad about looking too advanced, but it breaks "immersion" when there are suddenly super-futuristic jet fighters and helicopters fighting off against those same vehicles but looking more accurate for their time.

I kept the nose mounted machine gun in there for the future, but right now tis useless as there is no way to move it, and the reason i have it as being twin rotor is because the it looks cooler and it is possible, as the Germans used transport helicopters with side by side rotors (and this configuration existed since 1936), i can change the beams so they look rougher if needed. I can change the gun size (no idea what size is good) And i agree that looking too advanced could be a problem, but there have always been exotic vehicles and one days exotic vehicle becomes the next years standard. That said i will heed your advice
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| December 29, 2013, 2:53 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
I kept the nose mounted machine gun in there for the future, but right now tis useless as there is no way to move it, and the reason i have it as being twin rotor is because the it looks cooler and it is possible, as the Germans used transport helicopters with side by side rotors (and this configuration existed since 1936), i can change the beams so they look rougher if needed. I can change the gun size (no idea what size is good) And i agree that looking too advanced could be a problem, but there have always been exotic vehicles and one days exotic vehicle becomes the next years standard. That said i will heed your advice

They look OK for the most part, but the fighter is off, maybe try adding a MIG, or sabre style intake "the nose mounted ones"
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| December 29, 2013, 3:13 pm
The Polish Federation has released images of it's military units. All can be found here.
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/377550
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| December 29, 2013, 4:01 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
I kept the nose mounted machine gun in there for the future, but right now tis useless as there is no way to move it, and the reason i have it as being twin rotor is because the it looks cooler and it is possible, as the Germans used transport helicopters with side by side rotors (and this configuration existed since 1936), i can change the beams so they look rougher if needed. I can change the gun size (no idea what size is good) And i agree that looking too advanced could be a problem, but there have always been exotic vehicles and one days exotic vehicle becomes the next years standard. That said i will heed your advice

While I'm aware that helicopters in this configuration existed at the time, it's a sci-fi design that's clearly based off of the UNSC's transport helicopter. It just looks... wrong for something in the 1950's.
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| December 29, 2013, 4:21 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
While I'm aware that helicopters in this configuration existed at the time, it's a sci-fi design that's clearly based off of the UNSC's transport helicopter. It just looks... wrong for something in the 1950's.
Ok, dropping the heli

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| December 29, 2013, 4:30 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'll be exporting WW2 to early 1950's tech, expect to be able to see what I have aviable within a day or so.
Are you exporting all of them, or just some of them

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| December 29, 2013, 7:05 pm
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Today a small company based in Virginia, Electric Boat Company announced plans for a major name change to bring it into the future. The CEO John Jay Hopkins has been thinking the name doesn't suit the company as well since its subsidiary Canadair's production of the F-86 Sabre, and the up, and coming Oracle tank prototype from an unknown subsidiary. He was thinking of the name General Dynamics for the time being but time will tell.

Also another company, the car manufacturer Daimler Company Limited has announced after the successful test of the Ferret scout car a new weapon system is being designed called the Cleaver scout car.

Lastly Willis is rumored to be working on a prototype utility vehicle, if the rumor is true its most likely another jeep.
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| December 29, 2013, 7:41 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'll be exporting WW2 to early 1950's tech, expect to be able to see what I have aviable within a day or so.
Are you exporting all of them, or just some of them

My allies get access to everything, there is a restricted list for non-allied countries.
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| December 29, 2013, 9:11 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
My allies get access to everything, there is a restricted list for non-allied countries.
Well, it seems you are all ready allied with two countries (believe that is the limit) so i guess the restricted list is needed.

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| December 29, 2013, 9:21 pm
Škoda mfg. will be completing the prototypes of new artillery peices tomarow for further production.
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| December 29, 2013, 11:15 pm
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GRUZ company proudly presents its new 4x4 2.5 ton truck, the model 100. http://flic.kr/p/iKH2xB An other picture of it in action is also avalaible. This vehicle is up for export.
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| December 30, 2013, 2:45 pm
The PAC has just extended it's contract with Genodyne-Kyatana Motors for another 6 months, ensuring uncontested access to their large block 12 cylinder inline aircraft engines.
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| December 30, 2013, 3:24 pm
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The West Coast Federation has nearly finished it's initial stats and is now interested in finally spreading our influence over the broken fragments of the former United States of America. Washington is expected to join us peacefully due to our good relations and strong commerce ties, but it remains to be seen whether other former states and territories will be similar. We will rebuild this worn continent to it's former glory and crush any and all who stand in our way under the iron boot of the great Arsenal of Democracy. For Freedom! For Unity! For Capitalism!
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| January 2, 2014, 3:26 am
Hei Wang Guo have today released images of their soon to be released medium tank to serve in the Hei Wang Guo Military. No data/information has been released about the vehicle.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/broken-bricks/11713932646/
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| January 2, 2014, 1:27 pm
The Empire will be adding a new light tank that will replace the Panzer IV. This will be dubbed the P-200.
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| January 2, 2014, 1:32 pm
Hei Wang Guo have today released their first frontline tank, the T-54. Variants will be released at a later date.
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| January 3, 2014, 11:08 am
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A new medium tank rolled out in Nizhny Tagil, named HK (HarcKocsi) Model 52. Currently we don't plan on mass producing it, first only a batch of 30 is planned, however it is avalaible for export. http://flic.kr/p/iSVuEZ
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| January 3, 2014, 1:16 pm
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Breaking news tovarisch of the USST! Fear no more, with NHK-1 now in mass production, nothing may stand in the way of the Northern Allies! http://mocpages.com/moc.php/377962
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| January 3, 2014, 2:06 pm
The CHE will be rolling a new heavy vehicle out tomorrow. The heavily armored vehicle will be a powerful addition to the CHE's land forces.
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| January 3, 2014, 2:29 pm
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Today news on the Type-55 Ocelot battle tank has come in revealing the prototype model is 95% done, and combat tests proved that it will definitely be put into production. GD industries has announced that all that is standing in the way for this grand attraction to be released in a massive multi company demonstration is tread piecing being shipped from an undisclosed location..
In other news Willis has announced the new Jeep K series has been completed, and is ready for full scale production, along with Dodges Camel, and the Daimler Beaver scout car "formerly Cleaver"

Also a Type-57 heavy tank design has been finished using the 55 chassis. Most importantly the Type-52 Raptor tank is now finished.

These will be posted once the treads arrive.
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| January 3, 2014, 11:42 pm
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The new General Dynamics Type-52 Raptor tank can be viewed here, This design may not be the best we are cooking up, but it sure will rock the boat on the battlefield.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7634/nfrf.png

"edit" for those that were wondering about the era, and slat armor, Slat armor was used in numbers by the Germans in WWII, so its not to advanced for the era.
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| January 3, 2014, 11:55 pm
CHE unveiled its new heavy tank the E-100 in hopes that it will provide a powerful vehicle with quite a bit of firepower with its 15cm gun.
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| January 4, 2014, 1:26 am
The CHE has introduced the new heavily armored tank the Maus, it is slow but oh has increadable amounts of armor on it.
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| January 6, 2014, 1:00 am
Earlier today, pictures of a supposed fighter in development where leaked. The government of New Judah have confirmed that these images are of a fighter in development, but it still a prototype, as noted by the lack of engine in the photos, although the government does state that no engine is shown as a new one was being fitted. The government of New Judah have also confirmed that the fighter uses a variable geometry wing configuration.
http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=&id=/user_images/91053/1389306156m
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| January 9, 2014, 5:35 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Earlier today, pictures of a supposed fighter in development where leaked. The government of New Judah have confirmed that these images are of a fighter in development, but it still a prototype, as noted by the lack of engine in the photos, although the government does state that no engine is shown as a new one was being fitted. The government of New Judah have also confirmed that the fighter uses a variable geometry wing configuration.
http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=&id=/user_images/91053/1389306156m

That looks like a space fighter, not a mid 20th century fighter jet. Is it really that hard for you to build stuff that doesn't look like it belongs in D&C2? XD
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| January 9, 2014, 6:13 pm
Those Israelis can really make stuff WAY beyond anyone's capabilities. XD

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| January 9, 2014, 6:27 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
That looks like a space fighter, not a mid 20th century fighter jet. Is it really that hard for you to build stuff that doesn't look like it belongs in D&C2? XD
It looks like that because it is mostly a frame right now, let me flesh it out, and get those definitive angles and it will look right.

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| January 9, 2014, 6:46 pm
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The West Coast Federation has introduced a wide variety of new aircraft to its military, we now feel it's safe to say we have to most advanced air force (if not military in general) in the entire world.

In other news, a new competitor for uniting this once great nation has arisen on the East Coast: the Eastern Coalition Defense Force. Negotiations are believed to be futile as our goals in incompatible. Analysts believe that conflict is inevitable, with it only being a matter of time before things turn hot. A policy of Eastern expansion has been announced with the goal of containment of our rival before they can spread their insidious influence.
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| January 10, 2014, 3:03 am
ECDF now finished the first Armor; the M-01 Victor Light Tank, with speeds of 50-65mph this tank can move around the battle field with ease

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/378569
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| January 10, 2014, 12:42 pm
The German Empire launches it's new dreadnought.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/378572

*More pics to be included*
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| January 10, 2014, 1:27 pm
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Quoting Christian Bish
ECDF now finished the first Armor; the M-01 Victor Light Tank, with speeds of 50-65mph this tank can move around the battle field with ease

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/378569

Chris, tanks can not go 100 mph. Try 35 mph. Also, your "light tank" has ridiculously thick armor that exceeds even heavy tanks of the era. Please, stop writing down random numbers on your creations and a simply spend a minute or two to research what the stats should be like.
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| January 10, 2014, 1:40 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall

I have Military Factory up, with every thing that is military grade weapons and vehicles and sorry, this is was writen down last night at 1:20 AM so I was tired, don't blame me XO
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| January 10, 2014, 2:07 pm
Hei Wang Guo have today released a self-propelled gun which uses the Type-54 chassis for immediate production.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/broken-bricks/11892240285/

(This along with some other new units will be added to a MOC soon).
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| January 11, 2014, 2:43 pm
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The Ottoman Empire today begins production of its first military vehicle: the Beetle 1.3 Light Tank.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/378784
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| January 12, 2014, 5:27 pm
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/378829

The Empire has released the first of our new fighter jets.
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| January 13, 2014, 12:14 pm
The German Empire has released new units. Commencing production of V-2 missiles. Also expect a dedicated ICBM to enter soon.

A modular vehicle is also available for export.
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| January 14, 2014, 6:15 pm
The Empire will begin strengthening it's boarders.
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| January 15, 2014, 3:41 pm
The German Empire is in constructing of a landship. (Yes it is my new T-199 model because it looks like an over sized Jagdpanzer).
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| January 15, 2014, 7:20 pm
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
The German Empire is in constructing of a landship. (Yes it is my new T-199 model because it looks like an over sized Jagdpanzer).

A landship, really Wolf. The Nazis tried to make on by was canceled for a reason.
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| January 15, 2014, 7:51 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
The German Empire is in constructing of a landship. (Yes it is my new T-199 model because it looks like an over sized Jagdpanzer).

You will notice that there is no category for land ships in statistics. In other words, landships can't be produced.
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| January 15, 2014, 10:23 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
You will notice that there is no category for land ships in statistics. In other words, landships can't be produced.


Really Really Big Guns.
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| January 15, 2014, 11:47 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Really Really Big Guns.

That's for stuff like the Schwerer Gustav. Massive super heavy tanks like the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte aren't allowed.
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| January 16, 2014, 12:42 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
That's for stuff like the Schwerer Gustav. Massive super heavy tanks like the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte aren't allowed.


Who would even use Gustav? At least my tank ain't big as that ratte.
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| January 16, 2014, 12:52 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Who would even use Gustav? At least my tank ain't big as that ratte.

Your tank you recently posted isn't anywhere close to being a land battleship. It's a super heavy tank but land battleships are a whole different type of insanity.
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| January 16, 2014, 1:37 am
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Who would even use Gustav? At least my tank ain't big as that ratte.

Nazi Germany was mad enough to waste time on the shweer gustav and dora guns with one more being built, and even they cancelled the land battleship idea very early on.
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| January 16, 2014, 2:10 am
It's not literally a landship. It's called a landship because of Navy Person's turret that looks like a naval turret and since it uses a 162mm gun which is huge.
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| January 16, 2014, 8:07 am
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
It's not literally a landship. It's called a landship because of Navy Person's turret that looks like a naval turret and since it uses a 162mm gun which is huge.

Uh, mein Fuhrer, I would suggest lowering the caliber just a tad, maybe 152 would be better.|

But yes, this Land Ironclad is more like a heavy tank comparable to the IS-3. It's not even as big as an E-100 or a Maus I reckon. Looks solid to me.
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| January 16, 2014, 8:14 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Uh, mein Fuhrer, I would suggest lowering the caliber just a tad, maybe 152 would be better.|

But yes, this Land Ironclad is more like a heavy tank comparable to the IS-3. It's not even as big as an E-100 or a Maus I reckon. Looks solid to me.


Finally someone who appreciates my might! The Empire welcomes you in open arms.

152mm would indeed be much appropriate. Henceforth you have rights to equally produce my modular tanks. (If you have LDD I will gladly send you a copy!)

Our pact will be a sight to all who oppose the Reich's rule!
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| January 16, 2014, 8:28 pm
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Finally someone who appreciates my might! The Empire welcomes you in open arms.

152mm would indeed be much appropriate. Henceforth you have rights to equally produce my modular tanks. (If you have LDD I will gladly send you a copy!)

Our pact will be a sight to all who oppose the Reich's rule!

I have tanks, half tracks an ships ready for you as well, mein Fuhrer. Although the half track is kind of outdated... do you have a Flickr? I can give you my email and you can then send me the LDD files, I would indubitably appreciate it.

Will also be working on some aircraft for us, possibly more ships, and who knows what else. I am particularly interested in this Hetzer of yours... it's not useless at all. It may seem like it in the 50's, but the Swiss acquired a lot of them, up-gunned them and used them until the 1970's. They called them G13s.
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| January 16, 2014, 8:37 pm
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Finally someone who appreciates my might! The Empire welcomes you in open arms.

152mm would indeed be much appropriate. Henceforth you have rights to equally produce my modular tanks. (If you have LDD I will gladly send you a copy!)

Our pact will be a sight to all who oppose the Reich's rule!
Lol, how fast he won you over

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| January 16, 2014, 9:08 pm
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Personally, I would take a STRV 103 over any WW2 tank destroyer. Better armor, better gun, pretty much better everything. XD
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| January 16, 2014, 11:18 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Personally, I would take a STRV 103 over any WW2 tank destroyer. Better armor, better gun, pretty much better everything. XD

You never know with what kind of tweaking I have in mind...
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| January 17, 2014, 12:33 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
You never know with what kind of tweaking I have in mind...

If you were modify a Hetzer to make it competitive with a STRV-103 (which I doubt is possible), it would no longer be a Hetzer due to all the changes you would have made. XD
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| January 17, 2014, 2:21 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
If you were modify a Hetzer to make it competitive with a STRV-103 (which I doubt is possible), it would no longer be a Hetzer due to all the changes you would have made. XD

The Hetzer is still smaller and lighter than the s-tank; with an upgraded gun and some wire-guided AT missiles it could be a powerful airborne asset.
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| January 17, 2014, 1:50 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Hetzer is still smaller and lighter than the s-tank; with an upgraded gun and some wire-guided AT missiles it could be a powerful airborne asset.


I'm developing a self propelled gun platform that sports a 100mm gun.
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| January 17, 2014, 2:04 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Hetzer is still smaller and lighter than the s-tank; with an upgraded gun and some wire-guided AT missiles it could be a powerful airborne asset.

Sure, the hetzer is lighter, but you are partially incorrect about size. The S-Tank has a lower profile while being slightly longer. What really makes a difference is the S-tanks hilariously superior armor, which is both considerably thicker and at a better angle giving it an effective armor thickness of about 520 mm vs the hetzer's puny 120mm effective thickness. There's pretty much no 1960's tank that can penetrate the S-tank's frontal armor and holds up very well until the 1980's.

The S-tank is also faster with over double the operational range. The hetzer can only carry 41 rounds, if you give it a bigger gun if wont be able to carry as many. On the other hand, the S-tank carries 50 rounds and is known for having exceptionally good accuracy. A missile launcher would be nice but lowers the amount of ammo the Hetzer can carry even further.

Three final advantages of the S-tank is its dozer blade that allows it to entrench itself in a hull down position and its built in flotation screens making it amphibious. Finally, it has an anti HEAT "fence" on the front to detonate enemy rounds prematurely.

The hetzer was good for its time but upgrading can only get one so far.
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| January 17, 2014, 2:39 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Hetzer is still smaller and lighter than the s-tank; with an upgraded gun and some wire-guided AT missiles it could be a powerful airborne asset.

This is a lego group as much as war gaming group, and making your own unique military is the funnest aspect. I suggest going for it.
If you want just make a tank with features of the Heltzer "so it has the feel of one", but then change it up a little so its fairly unique, and let it be open to some minor interpretation. Give it a little bit more armor, and say it has a reasonable sized gun.
Just make sure its not a carbon copy, but people here do it all the time.
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| January 17, 2014, 4:04 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
This is a lego group as much as war gaming group, and making your own unique military is the funnest aspect. I suggest going for it.
If you want just make a tank with features of the Heltzer "so it has the feel of one", but then change it up a little so its fairly unique, and let it be open to some minor interpretation. Give it a little bit more armor, and say it has a reasonable sized gun.
Just make sure its not a carbon copy, but people here do it all the time.

I think as long as I can use wire-guided AT missiles strapped to the outside or on an outside launcher, I'll be good. And if WolfBrigade01 can give me the LDD files. :P I need to give him my email address.
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| January 17, 2014, 4:51 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I think as long as I can use wire-guided AT missiles strapped to the outside or on an outside launcher, I'll be good. And if WolfBrigade01 can give me the LDD files. :P I need to give him my email address.

It's a bit early to have anti tank missile launchers unless you base it off the clunky first generation designs, so you could add a missile launcher on as an upgrade in a few months.
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| January 17, 2014, 4:58 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
It's a bit early to have anti tank missile launchers unless you base it off the clunky first generation designs, so you could add a missile launcher on as an upgrade in a few months.

How about air-to-air missiles? Like... these?
http://www.luft46.com/missile/x-4.html
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| January 17, 2014, 5:13 pm
Sup beaches, South Africa reporting in, another soldier in the fight against democracy and communism. I came here to build Lego and anachronize with Cliffe, and I'm all outta Lego.
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| January 17, 2014, 5:27 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
How about air-to-air missiles? Like... these?
http://www.luft46.com/missile/x-4.html

That would be absolutely fine. It's a working design that was released before the 1960's which is all something needs to be allowed. If anything you couod probably build something better. Even stuff released in the early 1960's is fine of they were delayed due to political reasons rather than development problems (being reviewwed on a case by case basis is required for designs built off of 60's tech).
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| January 17, 2014, 5:33 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Sup beaches, South Africa reporting in, another soldier in the fight against democracy and communism. I came here to build Lego and anachronize with Cliffe, and I'm all outta Lego.
Ohh, someone else in africa

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| January 17, 2014, 5:52 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
That would be absolutely fine. It's a working design that was released before the 1960's which is all something needs to be allowed. If anything you couod probably build something better. Even stuff released in the early 1960's is fine of they were delayed due to political reasons rather than development problems (being reviewwed on a case by case basis is required for designs built off of 60's tech).

Sooo, is what you're saying here that an anti-aircraft missile from 1944 is fine, but a tank or an airplane from 1941 is hopelessly outdated?
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| January 17, 2014, 6:02 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
That would be absolutely fine. It's a working design that was released before the 1960's which is all something needs to be allowed. If anything you couod probably build something better. Even stuff released in the early 1960's is fine of they were delayed due to political reasons rather than development problems (being reviewwed on a case by case basis is required for designs built off of 60's tech).

Exactly how advanced can our air-to-air missiles get? Like, radar guided? Heat seeking?

Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Sooo, is what you're saying here that an anti-aircraft missile from 1944 is fine, but a tank or an airplane from 1941 is hopelessly outdated?

It seems like my missile would be outdated too. The group takes place in 1951 but there's Delta Daggers and B-52s and all kinds of 60's things...
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| January 17, 2014, 6:12 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
That would be absolutely fine. It's a working design that was released before the 1960's which is all something needs to be allowed. If anything you couod probably build something better. Even stuff released in the early 1960's is fine of they were delayed due to political reasons rather than development problems (being reviewwed on a case by case basis is required for designs built off of 60's tech).


I know I'm new here and my word holds little weight, but I doth protest. Heat-seeking and radar guided missiles, first introduced in 1956, are VERY different creatures from that wire-guided missile Cliffe linked up there. If this group truly is set in 1951, then I'm going to lobby heavily against radar and heat-seeking missiles; they change the game entirely. Guided SAMs fall in there too, they didn't enter service until 1954, though they were working by 1952.

I'm just saying, why say this group is in 1951 if you're going to be allowing technology as much as ten to fifteen years ahead of that date? If you really want guided missiles and stuff, just move the date to 1961.

Mini-rant off.
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| January 17, 2014, 6:24 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I'm just saying, why say this group is in 1951 if you're going to be allowing technology as much as ten to fifteen years ahead of that date? If you really want guided missiles and stuff, just move the date to 1961.

From what I recall the year of the group isn't fully set at 1951, but at the whole of the 50s.
So any weapon designed from 1950, to 59 is classed as ok to build. Then every three months the decade is pushed forward so in April the technology will be around the 1960, until 69 timeframe. This will end in January in which the next group will begin "timeframe undecided". Of course this is to keep players building, and trying new things although strategy, and build quality will always present an advantage in the usual sense.

The reason a set date isn't being placed is because due to the 40 year timespan the group will encompass it will be harder for some members to keep track of the changing dates.
I personally am hoping the next group will be 1900, to 40.

"Edit" also a lot of the more advanced creations people have built are intended for later decades, and wont be used.

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| January 17, 2014, 6:45 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
From what I recall the year of the group isn't fully set at 1951, but at the whole of the 50s.
So any weapon designed from 1950, to 59 is classed as ok to build. Then every three months the decade is pushed forward so in April the technology will be around the 1960, until 69 timeframe. This will end in January in which the next group will begin "timeframe undecided". Of course this is to keep players building, and trying new things although strategy, and build quality will always present an advantage in the usual sense.

The reason a set date isn't being placed is because due to the 40 year timespan the group will encompass it will be harder for some members to keep track of the changing dates.
I personally am hoping the next group will be 1900, to 40.

"Edit" also a lot of the more advanced creations people have built are intended for later decades, and wont be used.


Alright, so apparently this group isn't technologically static. That makes more sense then... Though one wonders, why bother building much at all if it will just be obsolete in a few months?

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| January 17, 2014, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
why bother building much at all if it will just be obsolete in a few months?

For fun. Besides a few designs will always be good enough to carry on, like jeeps for example.
Also while a lot of designs will be mostly ineffective we still plan on letting players use them, and I believe older designs will become easier to manufacture. So T-55s for example will become able to be produced more massively in the 60s, and so on.
I would talk to McCall about that though, he's the stats guy.
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| January 17, 2014, 7:07 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
For fun. Besides a few designs will always be good enough to carry on, like jeeps for example.
Also while a lot of designs will be mostly ineffective we still plan on letting players use them, and I believe older designs will become easier to manufacture. So T-55s for example will become able to be produced more massively in the 60s, and so on.
I would talk to McCall about that though, he's the stats guy.


Aight, that works for me. I'll just do what I did for the PCU in the 2030s groups all these years; build one chasis and then keep upgrading it over and over until it resembles something completely different.

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| January 17, 2014, 7:17 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Alright, so apparently this group isn't technologically static. That makes more sense then... Though one wonders, why bother building much at all if it will just be obsolete in a few months?
Well, if you dont build an early army it is much easier for someone to beat you in the beginning, its like if you where to play Civ and wait till build warriors till you had guns, up until that time everyone could just walk over you, and when you start building them, you are behind the peeps who had an early army and continuously upgrade it. And finally, old vehicles will always be useful for zerg rushing.

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| January 17, 2014, 7:23 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Well, if you dont build an early army it is much easier for someone to beat you in the beginning, its like if you where to play Civ and wait till build warriors till you had guns, up until that time everyone could just walk over you, and when you start building them, you are behind the peeps who had an early army and continuously upgrade it. And finally, old vehicles will always be useful for zerg rushing.


That is the conundrum, isn't it. How to build an army that is strong and up to date, but not to end up with billions of hopelessly outdated weapons...

And I seriously hope zerg rushing isn't considered a valid tactic.
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| January 17, 2014, 7:42 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
Sooo, is what you're saying here that an anti-aircraft missile from 1944 is fine, but a tank or an airplane from 1941 is hopelessly outdated?

Nope. I'm saying its fine to have the missiles in a legal sense, just as its fine to have 1940's vehicles in a legal sense. Both of them are outdated. However, the missile is considerably less obsolete due to the allies having to spend time catching up and improving on captured German designs. The missile would actually be fairly useful but it suffers from issues such as being short ranged and somewhat dangerous to the aircraft carrying it due to being unstable.
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| January 17, 2014, 9:14 pm
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Nightmare is correct about the date being a vague "1950's". Anyway, yes, older creations can be built at faster rates. "Special Rule - Outdated Design Production: If a design is from a previous decade, it’s production rate is 1.5 the normal rate."
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| January 17, 2014, 9:20 pm
ECDF now is starting Production

here are the list for some of the units
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/379239
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| January 18, 2014, 10:01 pm
Four updates from the bastion of Christendom in Africa:

An anthem has been established (a tune at least): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlYKZ7mnN44

A royal banner is in the works, though not finalized, representing the King's origins in Bavaria and Brabant: http://i.imgur.com/MY8D5Og.png (it probably won't be the actual flag, but I do like that lion!)

Projek Roos is almost ready to go public, and this picture was released to the state press today: http://i.imgur.com/xmtXR5e.png

And a new bomber was seen against an unusally ugly sky, causing some to speculate it was only a model: http://i.imgur.com/un4P1LV.png
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| January 19, 2014, 5:17 am
Hei Wang Guo has today released an AA gun and a Utility vehicle with more variants to follow.

Expect Heavy artillery and airpower to follow.
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| January 19, 2014, 4:30 pm
The Free State of Prussia considers a possible name change, but this is not seen as likely.

A possible new flag is also up for consideration.
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/wp/wp/wp-content/spartanimg/prussian_flag.jpg

Meanwhile, Sweden, now dubbed "Nordpreussen" or "North Prussia," has adopted this flag http://images.wikia.com/althistory/images/f/f2/Flag_of_Prussia-Sweden.png

We have proposed this to be the flag for Norway once we're done with them...
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/283/7/f/nordic_flag_of_prussia_by_trustnoidiot-d6px21d.jpg

Also, now that we have acquired Sweden, Saab aviation is being contracted to produce fighters for us. Their first product is already under development.

Meanwhile Horten back in Prussia has plans for a new flying wing fighter as well as developing existing flying wing bomber plans.

New photos of our MBT, the Tiger IV, are expected to come soon. Also, the new South African panzer is to be adopted as a medium tanl called the Liuperd (Afrikaans for "Leopard") in Prussian service.

Production of Imperial German tanks, such as the Panther II and their useful little light tank, has begun alongside the Tiger IV.

The Tiger IV, in night-fighting configuration, can currently be viewed here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34643041@N07/9425238452/
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| January 19, 2014, 6:57 pm
The M-550 Elephant is now configured with an AA gun. Also it has a new desert color scheme.

http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=378987&id=/user_images/10484/13902360694

Official production will begin next week.

Cliffe I will send you a file soon later and you can produce it.
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| January 20, 2014, 11:55 am
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
The M-550 Elephant is now configured with an AA gun. Also it has a new desert color scheme.

http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=378987&id=/user_images/10484/13902360694

Official production will begin next week.

Cliffe I will send you a file soon later and you can produce it.

Holy bananas, dude. That tank...

And thanks. I could do all kinds of wonderful things with a Hetzer chassis...
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| January 20, 2014, 1:15 pm
The great Korean supreme leader has opened our borders to the rest of the Asian Pacific Alliance members. Everyone can now enjoy the great inventions made by the dear leader, like the airplane and the concept of time and air. Except for those imperialist, we have many missile shaped presents for them which dear leader really likes. Our mandatory tour guides, which go by the name Joo Dee, would be happy to guide all tourists around in our great civilization where everyone has enough food. Long live great Korea, where no cats and dogs litter the street because we didn't ate them. Isn't history exciting :D
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| January 21, 2014, 3:58 pm
Quoting Brickviller -
The great Korean supreme leader has opened our borders to the rest of the Asian Pacific Alliance members. Everyone can now enjoy the great inventions made by the dear leader, like the airplane and the concept of time and air. Except for those imperialist, we have many missile shaped presents for them which dear leader really likes. Our mandatory tour guides, which go by the name Joo Dee, would be happy to guide all tourists around in our great civilization where everyone has enough food. Long live great Korea, where no cats and dogs litter the street because we didn't ate them. Isn't history exciting :D
but what if i lose my sky bison?

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| January 21, 2014, 4:45 pm
South Africa stronk:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/12075762894

Roos tank is now entering production, as soon as I figure out how that all works.
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| January 21, 2014, 5:49 pm
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Very nice tank awesomeosaurous. Just in case you didn't know, Flickr creations must have web address links in your country's stats. You can take a look at my stats to see what I mean.
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| January 21, 2014, 7:01 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Very nice tank awesomeosaurous. Just in case you didn't know, Flickr creations must have web address links in your country's stats. You can take a look at my stats to see what I mean.


I love how inflated everyone's stats are. I guess this isn't supposed to be an accurate representation of reality? I'm really not used to anything other than that... Gonna take some time to get used to the concept of a country built for no purpose other than war.
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| January 21, 2014, 8:09 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I love how inflated everyone's stats are. I guess this isn't supposed to be an accurate representation of reality? I'm really not used to anything other than that... Gonna take some time to get used to the concept of a country built for no purpose other than war.

Yep, all countries have the same level of industry and they don't have to be limited to what their real life military used. Is this silly and illogical? Yes. However, it's believed to make a better game, it means that all counties have a fair chance.
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| January 21, 2014, 8:37 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I love how inflated everyone's stats are. I guess this isn't supposed to be an accurate representation of reality? I'm really not used to anything other than that... Gonna take some time to get used to the concept of a country built for no purpose other than war.
Well, the middle east did have a huge build up in military forces, that is why my troop numbers are so high (i did base them on actual troop amounts to the 1,000

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| January 21, 2014, 8:44 pm
looking to acquire naval units for a trade
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| January 21, 2014, 8:51 pm
New Judah gifts 10 C-135 and 10 KC-135 to the ottoman empire, these have been deducted from our stats

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| January 21, 2014, 8:53 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Yep, all countries have the same level of industry and they don't have to be limited to what their real life military used. Is this silly and illogical? Yes. However, it's believed to make a better game, it means that all counties have a fair chance.

I absolutely applaud you, sir.

This game is living up to my expectations. You guys rock.
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| January 21, 2014, 9:19 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I absolutely applaud you, sir.

This game is living up to my expectations. You guys rock.
If this little can impress you than something is wrong with your expectations. All games should strive for balance. and when a game is balanced it becomes moves and counter moves unless an element of randomness is introduced. That is the hard part, balancing fairness with random acts so one clear answer can not be achieved by math, but so we can still successfully navigate the environment. When this is achieved it comes down to a players strategy, skill, and motivation. The Game should provide the motivation Knowledge of the game and its mechanics provide skill, and strategy is left up for the player to decide (unless randomness in not correctly introduced, than it becomes numbers). This is what i am looking forward to, seeing how these factors are handled with this game, and more importantly how each player works with what they are given.
(note: sorry for going off on a tangent)

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| January 21, 2014, 10:52 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I absolutely applaud you, sir.

This game is living up to my expectations. You guys rock.
If this little can impress you than something is wrong with your expectations. All games should strive for balance. and when a game is balanced it becomes moves and counter moves unless an element of randomness is introduced. That is the hard part, balancing fairness with random acts so one clear answer can not be achieved by math, but so we can still successfully navigate the environment. When this is achieved it comes down to a players strategy, skill, and motivation. The Game should provide the motivation Knowledge of the game and its mechanics provide skill, and strategy is left up for the player to decide (unless randomness in not correctly introduced, than it becomes numbers). This is what i am looking forward to, seeing how these factors are handled with this game, and more importantly how each player works with what they are given.
(note: sorry for going off on a tangent)

Ah, you don't know what it was like it Diplomats and Legions and other games like that. It was kind of strict. I'm just really happy that since this is an alternate history group, players are allowed to come up with stats that make sense for the history that they themselves come up with, and yes, give them a fighting chance against other countries. In Diplomats and Legions? It took place in the future, but you had to start out with the stats of the real-life country you chose, or replace that country's vehicles with your own according to a certain ration. So basically, when I would pick Germany, I was ill-equipped to take on France or anyone else around me, despite the backstory I came up with and such. Basically they would tell you "if you want to win, pick a country with a big military." It wasn't much fun.
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| January 21, 2014, 11:19 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth



Part of the fun for me in those old groups was taking weak countries like Greece or the West Coast and turning them into superpowers... But then again, I'm the kind of guy who can go from a single-province count in Crusader Kings 2 or a single-province minor country in Europa Universalis 4 and turn it into a great power within a century, so... yeah.

Well, no option but to roll with the punches here. Are we at least going with real world populations and reasonable military ratios? My country is 16 million people at the moment, and if I got a million man army, that's a good 16th of my entire nation under arms. Not plausible at all.
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| January 21, 2014, 11:45 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Are we at least going with real world populations and reasonable military ratios? My country is 16 million people at the moment, and if I got a million man army, that's a good 16th of my entire nation under arms. Not plausible at all.

We plan on using 1950s era population, and troop strength. Quite a few nations now have it accurately covered, but I believe a few don't. If you see nations that don't have accurate numbers please don't refrain from telling them. "in the GC of course"
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| January 22, 2014, 12:10 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Part of the fun for me in those old groups was taking weak countries like Greece or the West Coast and turning them into superpowers... But then again, I'm the kind of guy who can go from a single-province count in Crusader Kings 2 or a single-province minor country in Europa Universalis 4 and turn it into a great power within a century, so... yeah.
Well, no option but to roll with the punches here. Are we at least going with real world populations and reasonable military ratios? My country is 16 million people at the moment, and if I got a million man army, that's a good 16th of my entire nation under arms. Not plausible at all.

Well, populations are determined by the number of people living in your territory as of 1950, it can be adjusted every 3 months as a new decade begins. I forget what the "magic ratio" for military numbers to population numbers but as long as its not some crazy ratio you're fine.
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| January 22, 2014, 12:51 am
Quoting Matthew McCall

http://www.photius.com/rankings/world2050_rank.html

This is the source I used, it's got 1950 population for just about every country. I haven't found a good one for future dates, but I bet it's out there.
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| January 22, 2014, 1:37 am
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
New Judah gifts 10 C-135 and 10 KC-135 to the ottoman empire, these have been deducted from our stats

The Ottoman Empire accepts with pleasure the aeroplanes from New Judah, and has declared yesterday a day of national gratitude to show its appreciation.
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| January 22, 2014, 4:17 pm
The War Machine efforts is nearing completion. So far a Junkers 132 and an armored car are in development.

The Navy will receive it's new destroyers including an aircraft carrier based on the Kitty Hawk class. Germany's advancement in technologies is increasing. An ICBM is also nearing completion. Soon the Empire will rule the European continent.

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| January 25, 2014, 3:02 pm
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The West Coast Federation has announced a naval modernization plan, ranging from new destoryers and cruisers to a nuclear powered carrier and submarrine. In other news, unconfirmed sources report seeing a strange new aircraft under construction at one of the WCF's airforce bases. Apparently, it's supposed to be unlike any other aircraft known to be in service.
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| January 25, 2014, 3:10 pm
After watching Sleeping Beauty as the King said he would in general conversation, South Africa is looking to invest in a dragon.

In the realm of the more worldly, the final variants on the GV.1 Roos chasis are nearing completion. Bonus render: http://i.imgur.com/zXtQFVE.png
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| January 25, 2014, 3:27 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
After watching Sleeping Beauty as the King said he would in general conversation, South Africa is looking to invest in a dragon. ...

I'm glad your all-conquering leader isn't too busy to watch a princess flick XD
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| January 25, 2014, 4:23 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
I'm glad your all-conquering leader isn't too busy to watch a princess flick XD


While someone in the allaince was watching kiddie flicks, I happen to complete a Sd. kfz and a wheeled APC with a 105mm L9 gun.
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| January 25, 2014, 6:18 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
In the realm of the more worldly, the final variants on the GV.1 Roos chasis are nearing completion. Bonus render: http://i.imgur.com/zXtQFVE.png


It looks realistically proportionate to it's real life counterpart.
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| January 25, 2014, 6:20 pm
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga

Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01


Plebs detected.

The Kingdom has been productive, though. A chasis for a new light tank was finished, however it turned out to be the same height, and nearly the same length as the Roos, so it will probably end up being used for an SPG or something of the sort.
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| January 25, 2014, 7:15 pm
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While her foes watched princess movies, the Ottoman Empire has been refining archived designs and has produced a modern light attack truck to further her expansions into Africa.
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| January 25, 2014, 11:53 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

While someone in the allaince was watching kiddie flicks, I happen to complete a Sd. kfz and a wheeled APC with a 105mm L9 gun.

L9? That's a really short barrel.
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| January 26, 2014, 3:12 am
http://i.imgur.com/U4Ex0O2.png

tonk tonk

I shouldn't be up at 3 AM
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| January 26, 2014, 5:57 am
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Today Aerospatiale aviation announces the final production tests of the Rapide A-47 medium utility helicopter nearing completion. This helicopter makes up for its lack of storage space with decent protection, survivability, range, and makeshift modular upgrades.

Its main use for the earlier years is as a medical evac, and light fire platform.
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| January 26, 2014, 10:29 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
http://i.imgur.com/U4Ex0O2.png

tonk tonk

I shouldn't be up at 3 AM

I'm not trying to be rude here- both your tanks look great. However, besides the name, what makes the smaller of the tanks better/more powerful/more advanced than this one I've built? The only major difference I noted was the tread skirts, but that wasn't the defining tank feature of the '50s, right? Or is the smaller one meant to be from the '40s? If you could let me know, that would be great.

http://mocpages.com/moc.php/378784
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| January 26, 2014, 10:43 am
Quoting Thomas of Tortuga what makes the smaller of the tanks better/more powerful/more advanced than this one I've built?


bcuz ive got dat Suid-Afrikaanse staal, bby ;^)



If you want a serious answer: It's better because it looks better. I don't know if this group operates on that principle, all the ones I've played in the past have, though. LDD gives me access to parts I don't even have at home (a hundred miles away, mind you, so I have no other choice but to use LDD), so I can use my full creative powers to create higher-quality products than I otherwise could. Always push it to the limit, even if you fail, you still learn something.
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| January 26, 2014, 2:30 pm
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A creation's strength is determined by its stats and the build's quality.
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| January 26, 2014, 2:37 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
A creation's strength is determined by its stats and the build's quality.


Just as I thought. I'll have stats for this little guy eventually, but it's not even 100% done. That comes with the MOC post.
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| January 26, 2014, 2:44 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
A creation's strength is determined by its stats and the build's quality.

I'm only asking because, in the past, I've been rebuked for making things that look too old.
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| January 26, 2014, 2:45 pm
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Quoting Thomas of Tortuga
The only major difference I noted was the tread skirts, but that wasn't the defining tank feature of the '50s, right? Or is the smaller one meant to be from the '40s? If you could let me know, that would be great.

http://mocpages.com/moc.php/378784

From what I've seen Awe's tank seems to add more crew protection, not only in skirts, but in its far more sloped body, and from what I can see yours looks as though the main gun is manned like a crew served turret "or a recoiless rifle"

Secondly I feel that your tank is a great addition to the group, it simply feels misplaced. If possible I suggest changing it from a tank to simply a light tracked multipurpose vehicle as an IFV style weapon to support infantry, and for scouting, or airdroppable. This small change could turn quite a few heads, and it seems to look the part so I don't see a problem with it. It could last you a while to.
Sort of like this
http://www.military-today.com/apc/wiesel_1.htm
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| January 26, 2014, 2:53 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
From what I've seen Awe's tank seems to add more crew protection, not only in skirts, but in its far more sloped body, and from what I can see yours looks as though the main gun is manned like a crew served turret "or a recoiless rifle"

Secondly I feel that your tank is a great addition to the group, it simply feels misplaced. If possible I suggest changing it from a tank to simply a light tracked multipurpose vehicle as an IFV style weapon to support infantry, and for scouting, or airdroppable. This small change could turn quite a few heads, and it seems to look the part so I don't see a problem with it. It could last you a while to.
Sort of like this
http://www.military-today.com/apc/wiesel_1.htm

That's a really good suggestion, thank you.
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| January 26, 2014, 4:05 pm
The BW.2 Haast will enter service tomorrow, because only the bold run a render and do anything else on his nearly 4 year old computer at the same time. It's very similar to the BW.1 Haast, but with jet engines instead of props.

Over six trillion Roos variants are nearly ready to enter production as well. Just gotta finish the AA one.
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| January 27, 2014, 11:49 pm
The Pacific Defense Corps is beginning construction of its new Atlanta class flight deck cruiser.
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| January 28, 2014, 1:54 am
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The USST is currently working on the next generation tank. It is called the Main Battle Tank program. The HK model 52's chassis will be used, however with an increased protection. The turret will be completely new, housing a 125mm smoothbore cannon.
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| January 28, 2014, 2:16 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Jet Haast is a go:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/12200634974/

Looks awesome, though I'm still having a hard time seeing the dark grey as the "canopy"
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| January 29, 2014, 12:38 am
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I'm not seeing even a slight resemblance to the BF. 109, like, at all. XD
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| January 29, 2014, 12:42 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm not seeing even a slight resemblance to the BF. 109, like, at all. XD


...I didn't say there was any... In fact, it clearly said: Desert colors now, based on this toy Bf.109 I had when I was younger, which was in similar colors to these.

Quoting Colin Small
Looks awesome, though I'm still having a hard time seeing the dark grey as the "canopy"


It takes my computer about 30 minutes to render a patch of transparency; the last time I rendered that much of it, the thing was running for 6 hours. Titanium grey takes exponentially less time to run through than transparent brown.
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| January 29, 2014, 1:11 am
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That's what I get for not getting enough sleep... derp :3
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| January 29, 2014, 3:52 am
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* snip boring stuff *... Yesterday afternoon several local Californian farmers reported today that they had seen a strange aircraft fly overhead while they were working in their field. Apparently the aircraft was unlike any other they had ever seen, as they claim it was simply one long wing with no tail to speak of. They estimate that the aircraft was around 200 ft. long from wingtip to wingtip, and judging from the sound it made it was jet powered. This aircraft fits the description of a mysterious aircraft spotted earlier this month. We have reached out to WCF officials but they have declined to comment on what they call nothing but "rumors and speculation".

In other news, housing is on the rise, with record numbers of families settling down in...
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| January 29, 2014, 7:10 pm
A new tank destroyer has completed its development and is entering service with the Prussian army.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34643041@N07/12213297363/

The vehicle, as always, will also be available to our lords and masters in the Reich to the west.

Several other projects are on-going in the Prussian war ministry.
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| January 29, 2014, 7:24 pm
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Nice tank destroyer. :)
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| January 29, 2014, 8:54 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Nice tank destroyer. :)

Thanks, Matt.
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| January 30, 2014, 1:42 am
Production status has been slow. By Monday we will roll out the next units along with this week.
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| January 30, 2014, 11:10 am
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/12223670104/

Schwoo schwooooo

I'm enjoying this new color scheme Cliffe gave me. Almost as fun as my Coral Sea colors I used on my PCU planes.
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| January 30, 2014, 12:12 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/12227462535/

I think I'm getting ogrezealous in my renders today. Well, I had two labs and a midterm today, so it's not like my computer didn't have time...
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| January 30, 2014, 6:05 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/12227462535/

I think I'm getting ogrezealous in my renders today. Well, I had two labs and a midterm today, so it's not like my computer didn't have time...

Hehehe.
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| January 31, 2014, 7:50 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/12227462535/

I think I'm getting ogrezealous in my renders today. Well, I had two labs and a midterm today, so it's not like my computer didn't have time...


That's an awesome light tank.

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| January 31, 2014, 1:16 pm
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An alleged picture of the top-secret aircraft rumored to be being built somewhere in California has been leaked to the press. Assuming this picture is real, it would seem the aircraft is some sort of flying wing, and that it is clearly nearing completion. http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=378434&id=/user_images/76595/13912111811
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| January 31, 2014, 6:45 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
An alleged picture of the top-secret aircraft rumored to be being built somewhere in California has been leaked to the press. Assuming this picture is real, it would seem the aircraft is some sort of flying wing, and that it is clearly nearing completion. http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=378434&id=/user_images/76595/13912111811

From what there is of it, it looks really good. I'm looking forward to the real thing.
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| January 31, 2014, 6:54 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
An alleged picture of the top-secret aircraft rumored to be being built somewhere in California has been leaked to the press. Assuming this picture is real, it would seem the aircraft is some sort of flying wing, and that it is clearly nearing completion. http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=378434&id=/user_images/76595/13912111811


That design is vaguely familiar...

Reports of our intel suggest that a group of our scientists and aviation groups may have gone astray and may be selling or even aiding the West Coast Federation by supplying them with technology that's under heavy restriction. We will investigate this further.
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| February 1, 2014, 3:32 pm
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

That design is vaguely familiar...

Reports of our intel suggest that a group of our scientists and aviation groups may have gone astray and may be selling or even aiding the West Coast Federation by supplying them with technology that's under heavy restriction. We will investigate this further.

Don't fret, mein Fuhrer. Horten is not to blame for this. Northrop started developing their flying wing program in the 40's before they ever even knew about Horten (historically true).
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| February 1, 2014, 4:40 pm
Added more units to this recent catalog.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/380048

A new ICBM is under construction as we speak! Anyone who opposes our might will face dauntless odds.
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| February 2, 2014, 12:02 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Added more units to this recent catalog.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/380048

A new ICBM is under construction as we speak! Anyone who opposes our might will face dauntless odds.

Non-nuclear ICBMs are near useless for anything besides terror bombing of cities V-2 style. Their warheads will only be a couple thousand lbs. equivalent, and when your accuracy radius is measured in miles you could fire a dozen missiles at a building and not hit a single time.
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| February 2, 2014, 1:04 am
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The Ottoman Empire's great leader is visiting Atlantic military bases in preparation for Operation Sinbad.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/380321
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| February 2, 2014, 2:27 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Non-nuclear ICBMs are near useless for anything besides terror bombing of cities V-2 style. Their warheads will only be a couple thousand lbs. equivalent, and when your accuracy radius is measured in miles you could fire a dozen missiles at a building and not hit a single time.


Then why have ICBM listed as a production unit???

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| February 2, 2014, 2:47 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Then why have ICBM listed as a production unit???

We are speaking of 50's level ICBMs. Later on they will get more precise.
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| February 2, 2014, 4:05 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Then why have ICBM listed as a production unit???

So that people can build them if they want. ICBM tech does improve somewhat, although they will never be all that effective.
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| February 2, 2014, 4:40 pm
The Kingdom of South Africa has been busy with studying and essays, and thus has done very little of note in the past few days. Carry on.
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| February 2, 2014, 10:30 pm
Honestly, ICBMs are useless anyways if they have a puny 2,000lbs explosive yield that does not even amount to a MOAB which was 12,000 that could only cover half of a football field. I may be underestimating though.
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| February 2, 2014, 11:23 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Honestly, ICBMs are useless anyways if they have a puny 2,000lbs explosive yield that does not even amount to a MOAB which was 12,000 that could only cover half of a football field. I may be underestimating though.

You might be able to get up to 4,000 lbs. Maybe. But yeah, considering that they are so inaccurate it's probably not worth it. On the brightside, bombers remain relevant.
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| February 3, 2014, 12:51 am
Our War Machine effort will seek limited production of the Tiger I.

A special unit known as the Black Tiger Division will see use of these vehicles.
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| February 5, 2014, 12:30 pm
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The WCF has officially announced its newest bomber: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/380470

* breaks 4rth wall *

Feel free to check out my creation, it took a long time to make and I'm quite pleased with it. Also, I included a bit of backstory "fluff" for anyone who's interested.
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| February 5, 2014, 6:44 pm
The New Reich will be setting up coastal defenses for future conflicts.

In other news the Reich will be hosting a huge rally in Nuremberg and show off our areal might.
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| February 5, 2014, 10:39 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
The New Reich will be setting up coastal defenses for future conflicts.

In other news the Reich will be hosting a huge rally in Nuremberg and show off our areal might.

Will the Reich also hold a rally to celebrate its speling prowess? ("Areal")

:P
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| February 6, 2014, 4:04 pm
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Hide yo tanks! The Apachinde is coming! http://flic.kr/p/jUjvJw
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| February 9, 2014, 5:48 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Hide yo tanks! The Apachinde is coming! http://flic.kr/p/jUjvJw

A hind? Sweet. just don't let the rotors cut the tail off, and are those dampers on the exhausts to stop heat seekers? That would be wise!
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| February 11, 2014, 12:53 pm
Production and development has been slow these past weeks, but our factories will start bringing out new units.
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| February 11, 2014, 1:23 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
A hind? Sweet. just don't let the rotors cut the tail off, and are those dampers on the exhausts to stop heat seekers? That would be wise!

No no, it's an apachinde, so it's a combination of western and eastern helicopter design. ;)
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| February 11, 2014, 1:29 pm
The Empire is developing a new main battle tank. No further info is released.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97021840@N05/12464459223/
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| February 11, 2014, 2:50 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
A hind? Sweet. just don't let the rotors cut the tail off, and are those dampers on the exhausts to stop heat seekers? That would be wise!

Yep, as the heli moves forwards cool air moves through those grills into the exhaust. Plus, the exhaust is far from the engine, so a hit might not even damage it. Even if it does, the engines are pretty far from each other, that is the best in western helicopters.
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| February 11, 2014, 5:22 pm
Prototype Aircraft are in testing for the Hei Wang Guo air force...More to follow.
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| February 15, 2014, 6:20 am
I am pleased to announce that the Neo British empire may be receiving a new strategic bomber and AWACS aircraft in the near future. If I can pull enough dark green together this aircraft, codename Avro Vulcan (the originality, I know) will form the backbone of the Neo British air command (NBAC)'s long range strike force and will carry up to 25,000 Lbs of high explosives to any point around the globe.
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| February 15, 2014, 9:58 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
I am pleased to announce that the Neo British empire may be receiving a new strategic bomber and AWACS aircraft in the near future. If I can pull enough dark green together this aircraft, codename Avro Vulcan (the originality, I know) will form the backbone of the Neo British air command (NBAC)'s long range strike force and will carry up to 25,000 Lbs of high explosives to any point around the globe.

The USST is planning building a supersonic strategic bomber too, but it can take off from water and land. It will be resupplied and rearmed by submarines.
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| February 15, 2014, 11:11 am
The Empire is still developing it's naval strength. Also, a new series of armored fighting vehicles, a new armored car that can transport infantry across dangerous landmines (an early MRAP styled vehicle) and soon a series of fighter jets that will be used for naval purposes.
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| February 15, 2014, 12:29 pm
A new jet fighter is in development and research.
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| February 16, 2014, 7:56 pm
Iberia has just announced the completion and success of a prototype variable-geometry jet that has set the new top speed of Iberian aircraft. "The VG.x, while only a prototype, has proven what can be done with this new technology, and plans are set to start design on a weaponized variant."
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| February 19, 2014, 1:23 am
I have just uploaded the stats for my nation, which is now called the Imperial Nordic Federation of Prussia, or the Nordic Empire for short. This is our new flag. http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/283/7/f/nordic_flag_of_prussia_by_trustnoidiot-d6px21d.jpg

Others are still in consideration though.
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| February 22, 2014, 3:19 pm
The annexation of Poland will commence...
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| February 23, 2014, 10:48 am
News from Greater Korea!

The dear leader has announced she wants to export our rice to the rest of the world. We will sell it for prices well bellow marked price, so competition will scare! Korea's great leap forward has worked and now has enough rice to feed our millions of civilians five meals a day. Korea even started state owned gyms to make sure not all Koreans get fat (!)

So enjoy your Korean rice from now on, our new cargo vessels will soon floot the world with our other great products.


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| February 24, 2014, 3:05 pm
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... In other news, large quantities of military trucks, APCs, and Tanks have been reported moving east through the WCF's newly acquired member states. Trains transporting vast numbers of soldiers are also rumored to be heading east. Locals have reported that old airbases on the east side of the continent are being readily recommissioned and new ones are being built. Analysts believe that we may be seeing a troop buildup in a preparation of attack on the East Coast Defense Corps, citing evidence such as our mations aggresive aquistion if territory to box the ECDC in. When asked for confirmation or denial of this theory, WCF officials have stated that they have no information available as of this time.
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| March 1, 2014, 2:02 pm
Our forces are now performing bombardments on Polish towns and settlements. Locals are taking their defunct military equipment and using them against our forces. A large line of Panther tanks and additional supplies are crossing the boarders and preparing to mow down anything in our path.
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| March 1, 2014, 4:12 pm
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60's here I come! http://flic.kr/p/kCzgxz
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| March 2, 2014, 3:12 pm
Greater Korea has begun it's great leap forward to liberate the country of Panama. The Great Leader lets everyone know Korea comes in peace, and wants nothing else than to share it's wealth with the rest of the poorer countries.

As people may notice, our fleet will primarily constist of transport ships to feed the people in Panama, which has been struck (according to Korea's sources) by a massive food shortage.

"We will conquer them, without fighting" as the dear leader said in a public speech.

If this interfere with the continents "native" Nations (e.g. the players who started on 'merica)don't worry, Greater Korea lets you know we will leave once the famine has ended and order has been restored.

The relief force will most likely also consists of other Asian Pacific Alliance member states personell.
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| March 3, 2014, 11:23 am
Quoting Brickviller -
Greater Korea has begun it's great leap forward to liberate the country of Panama. The Great Leader lets everyone know Korea comes in peace, and wants nothing else than to share it's wealth with the rest of the poorer countries.

As people may notice, our fleet will primarily constist of transport ships to feed the people in Panama, which has been struck (according to Korea's sources) by a massive food shortage.

"We will conquer them, without fighting" as the dear leader said in a public speech.

If this interfere with the continents "native" Nations (e.g. the players who started on 'merica)don't worry, Greater Korea lets you know we will leave once the famine has ended and order has been restored.

The relief force will most likely also consists of other Asian Pacific Alliance member states personell.

For gosh sake's, stop calling yourself Korea when you own most of China now. D:
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| March 3, 2014, 1:22 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
For gosh sake's, stop calling yourself Korea when you own most of China now. D:

But his nation is centered in Korea, and China is just a conquered nation. Besides China "west" is a nation that has the Chinese philosophy. So China wouldn't have been as powerful as the real life standard anyway seeing most of it was divided.
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| March 3, 2014, 5:33 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
But his nation is centered in Korea, and China is just a conquered nation. Besides China "west" is a nation that has the Chinese philosophy. So China wouldn't have been as powerful as the real life standard anyway seeing most of it was divided.

"China is just a conquered nation"

My historical senses are tearing me apart. This just feels so wrong, but it's not like there's anything I can do about it...
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| March 3, 2014, 7:13 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
"China is just a conquered nation"

My historical senses are tearing me apart. This just feels so wrong, but it's not like there's anything I can do about it...

Its an alternate universe here, history is meaningless. If Korea never split, developed the technology it has right now in the 50s, while China never developed any notable military, and is divided under no central leadership.

... What's the point of the group if we go for 100% accuracy anyways, it would be horribly boring.
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| March 3, 2014, 7:43 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
"China is just a conquered nation"

My historical senses are tearing me apart. This just feels so wrong, but it's not like there's anything I can do about it...

Like you've said before, the game is a more advanced version of risk + Legos, not a realistic alternate history sim. ;)
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| March 3, 2014, 8:07 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Like you've said before, the game is a more advanced version of risk + Legos, not a realistic alternate history sim. ;)

Oh great. Now I'm wondering what I'm doing here.
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| March 3, 2014, 11:00 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Oh great. Now I'm wondering what I'm doing here.

Well, it may not be exactly what you had thought at first, but I suggest sticking around regardless, you have an excellent selection of designs and are in strong alliance.
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| March 4, 2014, 12:45 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, it may not be exactly what you had thought at first, but I suggest sticking around regardless, you have an excellent selection of designs and are in strong alliance.

Why thank you. I didn't think you held me in such a regard, as modest as it is.

Thus I feel even more strongly about swapping some territories and not going to war with you. You have a huge selection of stuff ready for the 60's that I'm not quite prepared to deal with just yet.
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| March 4, 2014, 4:46 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Why thank you. I didn't think you held me in such a regard, as modest as it is.

Thus I feel even more strongly about swapping some territories and not going to war with you. You have a huge selection of stuff ready for the 60's that I'm not quite prepared to deal with just yet.

You don't think you are ready to deal with a decent navy, STRV-103, T-64, Harrier, F-4 Phantom, Cobra Gunship, and MiG-25? That's too bad, I was looking forward to releasing war-winning weapons mid-conflict. XD

Anyway, yeah, I think you've got a pretty decent military assembled, it's more than a match for most countries (including my allies :P ) and definitely strong enough to prevent invasion of your home territory from the current most powerful country.
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| March 4, 2014, 5:47 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
You don't think you are ready to deal with a decent navy, STRV-103, T-64, Harrier, F-4 Phantom, Cobra Gunship, and MiG-25? That's too bad, I was looking forward to releasing war-winning weapons mid-conflict. XD

Anyway, yeah, I think you've got a pretty decent military assembled, it's more than a match for most countries (including my allies :P ) and definitely strong enough to prevent invasion of your home territory from the current most powerful country.

The Phantom, Thunderchief, Delta Dart/Delta Dagger, and MiG-25 are big, heavy, slow interceptor-like aircraft that I can easily deal with by using light and agile dogfighters, just like the North Vietnamese did. The Harrier is a bit too advanced, isn't it?

And I'm sure hordes of large and advanced U-boats plus new aircraft carriers can make a mess of most navies.
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| March 4, 2014, 5:57 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Phantom, Thunderchief, Delta Dart/Delta Dagger, and MiG-25 are big, heavy, slow interceptor-like aircraft that I can easily deal with by using light and agile dogfighters, just like the North Vietnamese did. The Harrier is a bit too advanced, isn't it?

And I'm sure hordes of large and advanced U-boats plus new aircraft carriers can make a mess of most navies.

Slow... you think those aircraft, including the MiG-25 = slow??? Umm... The MiG-25 is one of the fastest aircraft ever made.
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| March 4, 2014, 6:16 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Slow... you think those aircraft, including the MiG-25 = slow??? Umm... The MiG-25 is one of the fastest aircraft ever made.

I meant to say sluggish. My bad. Interceptors are definitely not slow.

I champion lightweight dogfighters like the F-5E and MiG-21, and when the 70's comes, the F-16.
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| March 4, 2014, 6:22 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
I meant to say sluggish. My bad. Interceptors are definitely not slow.

I champion lightweight dogfighters like the F-5E and MiG-21, and when the 70's comes, the F-16.

Well, I guess you'll be happy to hear that I have a MiG-21 then. :)

Anyways, Interceptors aren't primarily used for dogfighting but for acting as point-defense against bombers, and the Thunderchief's high speed is a useful capability for a fighter-bomber. Finally, the Harrier was used starting in 1969.
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| March 4, 2014, 7:17 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, I guess you'll be happy to hear that I have a MiG-21 then. :)

Anyways, Interceptors aren't primarily used for dogfighting but for acting as point-defense against bombers, and the Thunderchief's high speed is a useful capability for a fighter-bomber. Finally, the Harrier was used starting in 1969.

Yes, that may as well be the 70's, or at the very least the last week of the month or something.

Once I get my hands on the file for Wolfbrigade01's fighter, I will have something similar to the MiG-21. In fact a few seconds ago I just got done watching a documentary about said plane.

That being said, I find it very strange that you are an American style nation with Soviet style designs...
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| March 4, 2014, 7:34 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
Yes, that may as well be the 70's, or at the very least the last week of the month or something.

Once I get my hands on the file for Wolfbrigade01's fighter, I will have something similar to the MiG-21. In fact a few seconds ago I just got done watching a documentary about said plane.

That being said, I find it very strange that you are an American style nation with Soviet style designs...

Well, there is a in-universe explanation for that (my country in D&C2 built an artificial wormhole and donated instructions to an alternate universe), but it's mainly a silly excuse to allow me to build whichever Cold War vehicles I like. XD
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| March 4, 2014, 8:13 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, there is a in-universe explanation for that (my country in D&C2 built an artificial wormhole and donated instructions to an alternate universe), but it's mainly a silly excuse to allow me to build whichever Cold War vehicles I like. XD

That's... yeah, no. That's like when I started out on MOCpages in 2009 in the RA-CAS-UEN group and tried to claim my country was on another planet.
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| March 4, 2014, 8:25 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
That's... yeah, no. That's like when I started out on MOCpages in 2009 in the RA-CAS-UEN group and tried to claim my country was on another planet.

The thing is, my wormhole lore doesn't effect gameplay in any way and helps explain my military composition. Is it silly? Yes. However, we are building with Legos, we don't need to be entirely serious.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/376436
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| March 4, 2014, 9:31 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
The thing is, my wormhole lore doesn't effect gameplay in any way and helps explain my military composition. Is it silly? Yes. However, we are building with Legos, we don't need to be entirely serious.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/376436


I knew that thing was some kind of warpgate...
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| March 5, 2014, 12:07 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
That being said, I find it very strange that you are an American style nation with Soviet style designs...

Honestly, what difference does this make?
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| March 5, 2014, 1:02 am
Quoting Tyro Cook
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
That being said, I find it very strange that you are an American style nation with Soviet style designs...

Honestly, what difference does this make?

During the cold war, east and west had very different methodologies in mind and very different solutions to military problems. Seeing these things clash is like mixing mayonnaise with jelly.

That being said, of course, who cares about the methodology behind historical aircraft? It's just a game. Like risk. Just different colors on a map trying to control the blank spaces...
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| March 5, 2014, 1:22 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
During the cold war, east and west had very different methodologies in mind and very different solutions to military problems. Seeing these things clash is like mixing mayonnaise with jelly.

That being said, of course, who cares about the methodology behind historical aircraft? It's just a game. Like risk. Just different colors on a map trying to control the blank spaces...

It was decided that limiting people to build only western or only eastern was limiting both creativity and fun, and seeing as we are building with Legos creativity is kind of a big deal. Once again, it's not realistic, but it was decided that the creative freedom was worth it. Besides, we are in an alternate history where the US and the Russian are allies, that alone is a huge difference that could easily result in some major changes.
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| March 5, 2014, 2:12 am
As for making a harrier McCall, I waa going to make one for the seventies as well as a sea harrier. I could just let you adapt my design like in real life. (I might make an LDD file too)
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| March 5, 2014, 2:20 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
As for making a harrier McCall, I waa going to make one for the seventies as well as a sea harrier. I could just let you adapt my design like in real life. (I might make an LDD file too)

I appreciate the offer, but I have a Harrier already built and waiting to be added to MOCpages. I'll be sure to mention in the description that Great Britian helped out with it.
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| March 5, 2014, 3:54 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I appreciate the offer, but I have a Harrier already built and waiting to be added to MOCpages. I'll be sure to mention in the description that Great Britian helped out with it.

Who needs a Harrier when you have a MS-27?:D that jet is better at everything
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| March 5, 2014, 9:44 am
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Phantom, Thunderchief, Delta Dart/Delta Dagger, and MiG-25 are big, heavy, slow interceptor-like aircraft that I can easily deal with by using light and agile dogfighters, just like the North Vietnamese did. The Harrier is a bit too advanced, isn't it?

And I'm sure hordes of large and advanced U-boats plus new aircraft carriers can make a mess of most navies.
your thinking of the navy in old fashion terms, just as everyone does

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| March 5, 2014, 10:22 am
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Who needs a Harrier when you have a MS-27?:D that jet is better at everything

Not every way, your MS-27 would be extremely fragile to damage. Besides, I want to use my own builds when possible and I believe that your MS-27 is a 70's aircraft.
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| March 5, 2014, 10:37 am
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Who needs a Harrier when you have a MS-27?:D that jet is better at everything

Not everything. The Harrier was so perfect for Britain and the US marine corps because unlike large thouroghbread fighters such as yours, it could operate from very small assault ships, forest clearings, improvised runways (yes I know soviet jets could do this too) and be ready to support the troops in minutes. It was able to take off fully vertically with a
Light air to air weapons load, and in a few hundred feet fully loaded with bombs, cannons, missiles and drop tanks. It was insanely manouvrable for the day because it basically had thrust vectoring using the VTOL nozzles, and could even use them to do a mid air emergency brake manouvre to lose a persuing fighter. 1970s era missiles could easily be shaken by such moves. It isn't just about stats. The harrier is probably hemost versatile jet aircaft ever built.
Alsk the soviet counter to it sucked, really badly.
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| March 5, 2014, 12:30 pm
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Jack, the fighter Matthew S. is referring to is fictional and his own design.
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| March 5, 2014, 2:02 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
Not everything. The Harrier was so perfect for Britain and the US marine corps because unlike large thouroghbread fighters such as yours, it could operate from very small assault ships, forest clearings, improvised runways (yes I know soviet jets could do this too) and be ready to support the troops in minutes. It was able to take off fully vertically with a
Light air to air weapons load, and in a few hundred feet fully loaded with bombs, cannons, missiles and drop tanks. It was insanely manouvrable for the day because it basically had thrust vectoring using the VTOL nozzles, and could even use them to do a mid air emergency brake manouvre to lose a persuing fighter. 1970s era missiles could easily be shaken by such moves. It isn't just about stats. The harrier is probably hemost versatile jet aircaft ever built.
Alsk the soviet counter to it sucked, really badly.

Err, no. You haven't seen the MS-27. It is a VTOL fighter, a really versatile one.
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| March 5, 2014, 2:52 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Jack, the fighter Matthew S. is referring to is fictional and his own design.

I know, but heavily based on the Su27 flanker right? A different category of figher to the harrier entirely, so they cannot really be compared Although the flanker has to be recognised as pretty much the best air superiority fighter in the 70s, a fair way ahead of the period Nato aircraft until the F15 and F16 arrived. Matthew S, please tell me if you have made any major changes to the Su27 design which make any of what I have said invalid.
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| March 5, 2014, 2:55 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
I know, but heavily based on the Su27 flanker right? A different category of figher to the harrier entirely, so they cannot really be compared Although the flanker has to be recognised as pretty much the best air superiority fighter in the 70s, a fair way ahead of the period Nato aircraft until the F15 and F16 arrived. Matthew S, please tell me if you have made any major changes to the Su27 design which make any of what I have said invalid.

It is MS-27 (Matthew Sylvan 27, the date when I built it). Not SU-27. It is comparable to none. It is a revolutionary design that has VTOL ability with pretty much no extra weight or reduced performance.
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| March 5, 2014, 3:22 pm
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Oh wait, the camo is similar.
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| March 5, 2014, 3:23 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
It is MS-27 (Matthew Sylvan 27, the date when I built it). Not SU-27. It is comparable to none. It is a revolutionary design that has VTOL ability with pretty much no extra weight or reduced performance.

I would very much like to see how you have done this with the technology of the time. Send me a pic via skype?
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| March 5, 2014, 5:09 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34643041@N07/12957747473/

Today official photos of the Me-266A Sparrowhawk 3rd generation fighter were released to the public. The new aircraft goes into service this weekend.
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| March 5, 2014, 6:56 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
I would very much like to see how you have done this with the technology of the time. Send me a pic via skype?

Personally, I don't believe it would be achievable with 1960's technology.
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| March 5, 2014, 8:41 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Personally, I don't believe it would be achievable with 1960's technology.

That's why it's a fighter of the 70's. In the 60's I will use my MiG-16.
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| March 6, 2014, 1:22 am
The Kingdom of South Africa wakes up from a long slumber... A nightmare of vectors, inverses, and projections.

We have no idea what's going on or what we're doing, but we're here.
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| March 7, 2014, 1:47 am
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34643041@N07/13050916093/

The Ta-183 has been approved for entry into the Luftwaffe for service. Kind of late, but it will make mince meat out of Sabres and MiGs.
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| March 9, 2014, 11:35 pm
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Nice design, but the MiG 21 has far superior specs performance wise.
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| March 10, 2014, 11:40 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Nice design, but the MiG 21 has far superior specs performance wise.


But the MiG-21 didn't enter service until 1959, which is practically the 60s already. Unless that's what 1950s tech means, getting as close to the 60s as you can while technically remaining in the 50s for maximum advantage.
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| March 10, 2014, 1:04 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Nice design, but the MiG 21 has far superior specs performance wise.


Yeah, I don't find it fair how you have MiG-21s, Delta Darts, Phantoms, and other "prototypes" in your stats. I could understand Thunderchiefs and Super Sabres maybe, but not all that other stuff.
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| March 10, 2014, 1:06 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe

Yeah, I don't find it fair how you have MiG-21s, Delta Darts, Phantoms, and other "prototypes" in your stats. I could understand Thunderchiefs and Super Sabres maybe, but not all that other stuff.

You can still build your versions of them.
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| March 10, 2014, 3:17 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
You can still build your versions of them.

But it doesn't make any sense! If it's supposed to be the 50's, I want it to be the 50's, and none of those aircraft saw service until the 60's. While the MiG-21 finished its development in 1959, it wasn't actually deployed in active squadrons until 1961.
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| March 10, 2014, 3:38 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
But it doesn't make any sense! If it's supposed to be the 50's, I want it to be the 50's, and none of those aircraft saw service until the 60's. While the MiG-21 finished its development in 1959, it wasn't actually deployed in active squadrons until 1961.

Well, that's the way the decade system was made. We have no detailed in-game clock so we have to go by vehicles made by decade. Factoring in whether or not they were actually used in said decade only complicates deciding what it legal and what needs to wait.
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| March 10, 2014, 4:26 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, that's the way the decade system was made. We have no detailed in-game clock so we have to go by vehicles made by decade. Factoring in whether or not they were actually used in said decade only complicates deciding what it legal and what needs to wait.


So basically, you're saying that I should build F-14s and MiG-23s instead of Phantoms or MiG-21s; even though the latter two saw active combat service and the former two only had a handful of test flights before the 70s because their technology wasn't even proven to be ready for production at the time.

Essentially, the logic of build a decade ahead because prototype first flights count. Which means I get B-2 stealth bombers when we hit the 80s.

I can't be the only one who sees the flaws in this.
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| March 10, 2014, 6:59 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

So basically, you're saying that I should build F-14s and MiG-23s instead of Phantoms or MiG-21s; even though the latter two saw active combat service and the former two only had a handful of test flights before the 70s because their technology wasn't even proven to be ready for production at the time.

Essentially, the logic of build a decade ahead because prototype first flights count. Which means I get B-2 stealth bombers when we hit the 80s.

I can't be the only one who sees the flaws in this.

Nope, you are confused about how this works. The F-14's first flights were in the 1970's (not the 60's as you seem to think), and the Flogger wasn't introduced until 1970. We don't go by first flight but by when a design entered service. This means designs such as the F-4 or MiG 21 are fine while the F-15, F-14, MiG-23, ect... have to wait. As the B-2 didn't enter service until the mid-90's it will not be allowed in the 1980's.

If you want to know why we have it so that all designs built in a decade are allowed, it is because the alternative is to move the game clock forward by a year roughly every 1.3 weeks.
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| March 10, 2014, 9:09 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Nope, you are confused about how this works. The F-14's first flights were in the 1970's (not the 60's as you seem to think), and the Flogger wasn't introduced until 1970. We don't go by first flight but by when a design entered service. This means designs such as the F-4 or MiG 21 are fine while the F-15, F-14, MiG-23, ect... have to wait. As the B-2 didn't enter service until the mid-90's it will not be allowed in the 1980's.

If you want to know why we have it so that all designs built in a decade are allowed, it is because the alternative is to move the game clock forward by a year roughly every 1.3 weeks.


Why not just take a more close selection of dates every few months then? Instead of 1960-1969 with that big disparity of tech, why not 1962-1968? It'd narrow the gap on so many things. You'd go to 1972-1978 next, and so on.
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| March 11, 2014, 12:06 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Why not just take a more close selection of dates every few months then? Instead of 1960-1969 with that big disparity of tech, why not 1962-1968? It'd narrow the gap on so many things. You'd go to 1972-1978 next, and so on.

That's... litterally the exact system we are currently using, except offset by 2 years. You seem to think you are limiting it by only having 6 years inbetween, but when a decade moves on the other 4 years don't magically disappear. Therefore, there is still a ten year jump in tech every 3 months. ;)
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| March 11, 2014, 2:38 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
That's... litterally the exact system we are currently using, except offset by 2 years. You seem to think you are limiting it by only having 6 years inbetween, but when a decade moves on the other 4 years don't magically disappear. Therefore, there is still a ten year jump in tech every 3 months. ;)


Nah, we just skip the transitional times and go directly from tech level to tech level. That way you don't get people gaming the system by using all-but-1960s designs in the 50s.
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| March 11, 2014, 2:47 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
As we suspected, Korea obviously had no intention about keeping its holdings temporarily and is instead expanding. While we have normal issue with Korea controling South America, advancing a single meter north or west of Panama would be considered a direct violation of our treaty.


Well then, if the WCF continues advancing more towards our territories, Korea will take measures to make sure your imperialist nation's actions are put to a halt. It's your choice, declaring war on Korea would devastate both of us and our allies, and the Millenium alliance would probaly be victorious. Don't do anything rash, and we will both go allong just well.
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| March 11, 2014, 12:16 pm
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Quoting Brickviller -
Quoting Matthew McCall
As we suspected, Korea obviously had no intention about keeping its holdings temporarily and is instead expanding. While we have normal issue with Korea controling South America, advancing a single meter north or west of Panama would be considered a direct violation of our treaty.


Well then, if the WCF continues advancing more towards our territories, Korea will take measures to make sure your imperialist nation's actions are put to a halt. It's your choice, declaring war on Korea would devastate both of us and our allies, and the Millenium alliance would probaly be victorious. Don't do anything rash, and we will both go allong just well.

Your nation has already broken its word once in this matter, Korea had claimed it was in South America only to control Panama for the short term. We obviously didn't believe this and are not surpised by this dvelopment, but the fact remains that it has proven Korea cannot be trusted. However, we have no desire to be in South America, so as long as your nation chooses not to expand up into Central America there is no issue.
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| March 11, 2014, 12:37 pm
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Breaking news! The west coast federation has changed it's name to the North American Union to better reflect its current state of influence.
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| March 11, 2014, 12:43 pm
The Imperial Nordic Federation sees no reason to wage war with the North Americans, at least not until after the Korean threat has been curbed. We will stand with the Americans against Asian intrusion on the continent.
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| March 11, 2014, 10:21 pm
The German Empire sees no intent to wage action against the West Cost Federation.
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| March 11, 2014, 11:31 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
The German Empire sees no intent to wage action against the West Cost Federation.

What is the West Coast Federation you speak of?
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| March 12, 2014, 12:38 am
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The Imperial Nordic Federation sees no reason to wage war with the North Americans, at least not until after the Korean threat has been curbed. We will stand with the Americans against Asian intrusion on the continent.

Well, you see... the Koreans have yet to do something threatening to the North American Union and are currently not in any position to be a threat. On the other hand, your INF has made it quite clear that they are hostile and as every week goes by the INF's hold on Canada grows stronger...
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| March 12, 2014, 12:41 am
South Africa has no intention of finding out what's wrong with Korea.
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| March 12, 2014, 1:33 am
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The USST started the research of a new vehicle of its kind, a tank (may be reclassified later). It is estimated to be ready for test by the next decade. The expected maximum speed is over 150km/h which is extremely useful on the steppes.
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| March 12, 2014, 12:52 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
The USST started the research of a new vehicle of its kind, a tank (may be reclassified later). It is estimated to be ready for test by the next decade. The expected maximum speed is over 150km/h which is extremely useful on the steppes.

I have my reservation about such speed, all real world vehicles using the technology you want to use are significantly slower than 150 kph.
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| March 12, 2014, 3:57 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
The USST started the research of a new vehicle of its kind, a tank (may be reclassified later). It is estimated to be ready for test by the next decade. The expected maximum speed is over 150km/h which is extremely useful on the steppes.


Have fun destroying your suspension and concussing your crew when you try anything faster than 40 mph on unpaved terrain. :^)
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| March 12, 2014, 4:33 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Have fun destroying your suspension and concussing your crew when you try anything faster than 40 mph on unpaved terrain. :^)

No, it won't. It's a hover tank.
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| March 12, 2014, 5:56 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
No, it won't. It's a hover tank.


How can a tank flying at 150 kph hit anything with the slightest degree of accuracy? If you slow down, you become an easier target to hit; and since you're going that fast and hovering while doing it, I can't imagine this thing has much armor to begin with... It sounds like a very very risky idea.
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| March 12, 2014, 6:33 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
No, it won't. It's a hover tank.

The moment hover tanks are allowed is the moment I leave.
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| March 12, 2014, 7:47 pm
Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The moment hover tanks are allowed is the moment I leave.
If it operates by using a fan it would be extremely easy to disable, and unable to operate near infantry, i would love to fight a hover tank.

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| March 12, 2014, 8:19 pm
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Quoting Kaiser Pharaoh Cliffe
The moment hover tanks are allowed is the moment I leave.

I've heard more of Matthew's thoughts about how it works, and so far I can tell you his 150 kph speed is insane and will not be allowed, and the description of his vehicle sounded... unworkable. I don't think we will be seeing this design in the group. XD
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| March 12, 2014, 9:11 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I've heard more of Matthew's thoughts about how it works, and so far I can tell you his 150 kph speed is insane and will not be allowed, and the description of his vehicle sounded... unworkable. I don't think we will be seeing this design in the group. XD

It's all part of the propaganda.
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| March 13, 2014, 1:53 am
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
It's all part of the propaganda.

Right, riiight...

>.>
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| March 13, 2014, 1:59 am
Hovertank=Hoovercraft+tank parts= Hoovercraft tank-craft=Hoovertank+somekind of turbine engines=High speed hovertank

Taadaaaa!

Thanks to the Greater Korean intelligence and Design Buro
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| March 13, 2014, 1:20 pm
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The North Ameican Union has announced it's own Hoover tank will soon to be put into production and can be seen here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008MM4RDY/ref=redir_mdp_mobile
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| March 13, 2014, 1:47 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
The North Ameican Union has announced it's own Hoover tank will soon to be put into production and can be seen here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008MM4RDY/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

Lel.
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| March 13, 2014, 2:07 pm
The New German Empire will be rolling out it's new aircraft that will replace the ME 1110. New fighter prototypes are also in consideration and a replacement of the V-2 or a possible upgrade is in the works. A new submarine that can carry ballistic missiles is also underway. No plans to have it load V-2s. A new artillery system is in the works as well.
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| March 15, 2014, 11:55 pm
The NBE's re armament has begun! I have built a 94mm (32 pounder) anti tank gun, and more artillery and a towing tractor will follow. I am starting small but hope to be up there with the rest of you soon. I have been dormant for too long.
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| March 17, 2014, 6:26 pm
Quoting jack kenyon
The NBE's re armament has begun! I have built a 94mm (32 pounder) anti tank gun, and more artillery and a towing tractor will follow. I am starting small but hope to be up there with the rest of you soon. I have been dormant for too long.


The German Empire requests that the Crown hands over her jewels...
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| March 18, 2014, 9:19 pm
The Kriegsmarine has been reported of dispatching two Hamberg II destroyers near English waters.

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| March 18, 2014, 11:55 pm
Our Hamburg II destroyers will be upgraded with vertical launch bays of radio guided missiles. The missiles themselves will be based on the shells from our conceptual V-3 cannon. We plan on launching a new destroyer that will have new features and plan to use new guided bombs that will effectively replace our horrendously outdated V-1s.
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| March 19, 2014, 1:10 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
The NBE's re armament has begun! I have built a 94mm (32 pounder) anti tank gun, and more artillery and a towing tractor will follow. I am starting small but hope to be up there with the rest of you soon. I have been dormant for too long.

You're free to produce anything of mine as an emergency measure until you can build you own equivalents.
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| March 19, 2014, 1:48 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
You're free to produce anything of mine as an emergency measure until you can build you own equivalents.


Even so it won't even match against what I have.
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| March 19, 2014, 11:38 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Indeed, Nicaragua (and it's neighbor who we could care less about) will have democracy rather than enslavement under the current Far Eastern Communist Menance that currently oppresses them and violated the treaty about not advancing further into Central America. Our very own Senator Mccarthy informs us that as of this very moment, they are trying to infiltrate spies into the highest reaches of our government.


Such statements will only bring your nation closer to an open conflict, not only with Greater Korea and it's allies. Korea advices you to remain calm, since the annexations of South American territories went quite peacefully. As you may know, Korea is the largest rice producer in the world, and everyone in the Greater Korean Republic has enough food. By annexing parts of poor South America, both parties can profit from each other.
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| March 19, 2014, 12:49 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Even so it won't even match against what I have.

Call me... unconvinced, assuming you are talking about quality. Quantity on the other hand... well, Jack is kind of screwed.
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| March 19, 2014, 12:51 pm
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Quoting Brickviller -

Such statements will only bring your nation closer to an open conflict, not only with Greater Korea and it's allies. Korea advices you to remain calm, since the annexations of South American territories went quite peacefully. As you may know, Korea is the largest rice producer in the world, and everyone in the Greater Korean Republic has enough food. By annexing parts of poor South America, both parties can profit from each other.

Your nation has broken the treaty that was preventing war between our two nations. You have specifically annexed the piece of land that you had agreed not to take. By doing so, this gives us every right to declare war given the conditions of the treaty. It's clear that Korea has no honor or honesty in its deals and we will treat it accordingly. We can not tolerate this blatent disregard for the treaty, and thus give Korea one week to withdraw from its newest acquisitions or face war at a time of our choosing.
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| March 19, 2014, 2:30 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Your nation has broken the treaty that was preventing war between our two nations. You have specifically annexed the piece of land that you had agreed not to take. By doing so, this gives us every right to declare war given the conditions of the treaty. It's clear that Korea has no honor or honesty in its deals and we will treat it accordingly. We can not tolerate this blatent disregard for the treaty, and thus give Korea one week to withdraw from its newest acquisitions or face war at a time of our choosing.


In return Korea demands the withdrawal of your forces from Mexico within 48 hours.
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| March 19, 2014, 3:10 pm
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Quoting Brickviller -

In return Korea demands the withdrawal of your forces from Mexico within 48 hours.

There was no bargain saying we would not advance into Mexico, while you have broken an actual treaty about not advancing into central America. Your counter-offer is denied.
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| March 19, 2014, 3:17 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
There was no bargain saying we would not advance into Mexico, while you have broken an actual treaty about not advancing into central America. Your counter-offer is denied.


On second thought I may be backing you against Korea.
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| March 19, 2014, 3:42 pm
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

On second thought I may be backing you against Korea.

German naval power would be appreciated, our navy may be large but it has no modern ships.
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| March 19, 2014, 4:03 pm
A little piece of information for the Germanic Empire:
During the 40s, British engineers created a new ammunition type for destroying bunkers. They called it High Explosive Squash Head or HESH.
they soon found it worked just as well on armor, and by the 1950s it was the British Tank Corp's favoured shell type. It rendered large, slab sided and thickly armored steel monsters like yours, obselete, because the thickness of a steel armor had no effect on it, due to the way it worked. It sent a shockwave through the armor plate that would blow off a dinner plate sized chunk of steel and ricochet it around the interior at hundreds of feet per second. The crew may as well be drained out through the floor afterwards, if all the ammunition doesn't explode first. So do you sill think your size will matter when I roll out the Centaurus tanks soon?
Britain will never fall!
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| March 19, 2014, 4:10 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
German naval power would be appreciated, our navy may be large but it has no modern ships.

Negociate a deal relating to my security until I can defend myself please.
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| March 19, 2014, 4:11 pm
A new prototype flying bomb dubbed the Vengeance-1B and an image has been released. The weapon itself is still in prototyping phase but will see wide usage in the navy on our new destroyer.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97021840@N05/13273683793/
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| March 19, 2014, 4:29 pm
Ohhohoho, a fight is brewing! Godspeed Americlaps, may burgers await your fallen in the afterlife!

Quoting jack kenyon
It rendered large, slab sided and thickly armored steel monsters like yours, obselete, because the thickness of a steel armor had no effect on it, due to the way it worked.


I warned them about monster tanks, bro, I warned them. Good thing I have a very bouncy turret designed to replace my current one, delicious as it may be.
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| March 19, 2014, 4:29 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I warned them about monster tanks, bro, I warned them. Good thing I have a very bouncy turret designed to replace my current one, delicious as it may be.


Especially when I have my Super Maus at my disposal equipped with nearly the same AP rounds and high-explosive beachhead killing shells.
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| March 19, 2014, 4:42 pm
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Quoting jack kenyon
Negociate a deal relating to my security until I can defend myself please.

Well, Wolf seemingly was considering dealing with the East Asian Communist Menace (tm) instead of you due to Korea's blatant disregard for treaties...
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| March 19, 2014, 4:57 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, Wolf seemingly was considering dealing with the East Asian Communist Menace (tm) instead of you due to Korea's blatant disregard for treaties...

May I jump on the bandwagon?
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| March 20, 2014, 2:35 am
New Judah will support Korea against any German and American aggression.
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| March 20, 2014, 7:32 am
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
New Judah will support Korea against any German and American aggression.


South Africa will support any German and American punitive action against the oathbreakers in Korea.

That's what's going on, right?
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| March 20, 2014, 12:06 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

South Africa will support any German and American punitive action against the oathbreakers in Korea.

That's what's going on, right?


Yep. (TO OUR MEETING ROOMS)

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| March 20, 2014, 12:29 pm
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
May I jump on the bandwagon?

Do you even have the military equipment needed to help and a way to deploy it?
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| March 20, 2014, 2:25 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Do you even have the military equipment needed to help and a way to deploy it?

Yes.
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| March 20, 2014, 3:11 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

South Africa will support any German and American punitive action against the oathbreakers in Korea.

That's what's going on, right?
Sort of, its more of McCall doesnt want competition in north america so he told brickviller to swear an oath that everyone knew he was not going to keep.

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| March 20, 2014, 4:31 pm
Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

South Africa will support any German and American punitive action against the oathbreakers in Korea.

That's what's going on, right?
Sort of, its more of McCall doesnt want competition in north america so he told brickviller to swear an oath that everyone knew he was not going to keep.


Swear an oath is a little far fetched, you mean ofcourse the treaty that Korea signed and later violated. Also it's South or Mid-America, not North America Korea is interested in.

But anyways Korea is willing to negotiate a peacefull solution to this problem, in a way it can cancel this weeks annexations. Thus having the situation before the treaty was violated, and leaving no reason to go to war with us any longer.

Oh and before the Great Leader forgets, Korea declares war on:

-Hei Wang Guo
-The Pacific Defence Corps
-The Pan-Asian Coalition

That will be all


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| March 20, 2014, 5:22 pm
Quoting Brickviller -
Oh and before the Great Leader forgets, Korea declares war on:

-Hei Wang Guo
-The Pacific Defence Corps
-The Pan-Asian Coalition

That will be all

someone is taking north Korea rhetoric to heart. May the world fall before great korea :P
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| March 20, 2014, 5:32 pm
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

South Africa will support any German and American punitive action against the oathbreakers in Korea.

That's what's going on, right?
Sort of, its more of McCall doesnt want competition in north america so he told brickviller to swear an oath that everyone knew he was not going to keep.

I didn't ask him to swear an oath, we simply had a treaty of him taking South America while I took Nicaragua. I was never interested into moving into Central America besides that one country (because it has great potential) until Brickviller decided to start moving into it himself and took the very nation he agreed not to.
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| March 20, 2014, 5:40 pm
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Quoting Brickviller -

Swear an oath is a little far fetched, you mean ofcourse the treaty that Korea signed and later violated. Also it's South or Mid-America, not North America Korea is interested in.

But anyways Korea is willing to negotiate a peacefull solution to this problem, in a way it can cancel this weeks annexations. Thus having the situation before the treaty was violated, and leaving no reason to go to war with us any longer.

Oh and before the Great Leader forgets, Korea declares war on:

-Hei Wang Guo
-The Pacific Defence Corps
-The Pan-Asian Coalition

That will be all


Don't worry, our negation terms are simple. Withdraw immediately or prepare to be visited by San Francisco Class Battleships.

No comment on the declarations of war.
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| March 20, 2014, 5:45 pm
Quoting Brickviller -
Oh and before the Great Leader forgets, Korea declares war on:

-Hei Wang Guo
-The Pacific Defence Corps
-The Pan-Asian Coalition

That will be all


What I imagine is going on in Pyongyang:
http://i.imgur.com/J4DoZMq.jpg

Also, I should have rendered this a long time ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/13296252623/
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| March 20, 2014, 5:55 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

What I imagine is going on in Pyongyang:
http://i.imgur.com/J4DoZMq.jpg

What is actually going on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37K0hIv3zk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGycPE3XdIc
and finally
http://youtu.be/C0zwirfmGIU?t=2m28s
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| March 20, 2014, 6:21 pm
A new ICBM has been developed and will see use in future conflicts. Our development of the new ballistic missile submarine is undergoing stress as development of the ship requires a dramatically new design and will possibly scrap the current one. U-boats will also see little use in times to come as a new design is forthcoming.

The Luftwaffe is seeking to design a new flying wing that will be used for stealth is also under research.

The Kriegsmarine is also construction a new battleship that will however see little use in maritime combat.
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| March 20, 2014, 9:13 pm
Quoting Brickviller -

Swear an oath is a little far fetched, you mean ofcourse the treaty that Korea signed and later violated. Also it's South or Mid-America, not North America Korea is interested in.

But anyways Korea is willing to negotiate a peacefull solution to this problem, in a way it can cancel this weeks annexations. Thus having the situation before the treaty was violated, and leaving no reason to go to war with us any longer.

Oh and before the Great Leader forgets, Korea declares war on:

-Hei Wang Guo
-The Pacific Defence Corps
-The Pan-Asian Coalition

That will be all



hmmm, interesting.....
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| March 21, 2014, 6:23 am
If Korea is stepping down on tensions against America then I will resume course against Neo Britain for it's military build up. Sanctions will be placed first, then if necessary use military action.
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| March 21, 2014, 9:04 am
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Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
If Korea is stepping down on tensions against America then I will resume course against Neo Britain for it's military build up. Sanctions will be placed first, then if necessary use military action.

North Korea has yet to accept our offer, the week long countdown to war is still ticking.
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| March 21, 2014, 10:15 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
North Korea has yet to accept our offer, the week long countdown to war is still ticking.


Alright then. If Korea does not respond with in the week we move in.
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| March 21, 2014, 11:51 am
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

Alright then. If Korea does not respond with in the week we move in.


And how would you accomplish that? You do realize Korea is already at war with 3 other nations right? The rules make it impossible for me to go to war with another nation, so an unpeacefull solution to this matter is impossible at the moment.

However Great Awesome super leader of Super awesome Korea is not an unjust leader. The final proposal is the following:

-Korea will retreat from South America
-Korea will make peace with other Asian-based countries, excluding the Pan Asian Coalition
-Korea will get Hawaii as a payment for the loss of the South American territories. This part is essential for Korea's reputation.

Currently our leaders view the experiment in South America as a failure, however the Korean people are thankfull for learning from it. We hope you all can accept these terms, since a war would devastate the world.
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| March 21, 2014, 12:54 pm
Prussia is willing to help against North Korea, but we gotta finish our carrier first. That may happen soon. We also need transports, of course...
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| March 21, 2014, 12:54 pm
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Quoting Brickviller -

And how would you accomplish that? You do realize Korea is already at war with 3 other nations right? The rules make it impossible for me to go to war with another nation, so an unpeacefull solution to this matter is impossible at the moment.

However Great Awesome super leader of Super awesome Korea is not an unjust leader. The final proposal is the following:

-Korea will retreat from South America
-Korea will make peace with other Asian-based countries, excluding the Pan Asian Coalition
-Korea will get Hawaii as a payment for the loss of the South American territories. This part is essential for Korea's reputation.

Currently our leaders view the experiment in South America as a failure, however the Korean people are thankfull for learning from it. We hope you all can accept these terms, since a war would devastate the world.

Hawaii isn't really on the bargaining table, it's my forward base in the pacific... I must say your use of the 3:1 rule is quite the clever rule exploitation. XD

I can't declare war due to your current declaration of war on those in Asia, but these terms are downright insulting given the massive firepower advantage my forces have if a conflict was to occur in South America. I'll have to think about this.
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| March 21, 2014, 2:43 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
Hawaii isn't really on the bargaining table, it's my forward base in the pacific... I must say your use of the 3:1 rule is quite the clever rule exploitation. XD

I can't declare war due to your current declaration of war on those in Asia, but these terms are downright insulting given the massive firepower advantage my forces have if a conflict was to occur in South America. I'll have to think about this.


Especially combined with my forces against Korea. Even if I have beef against Britain however if this does go forward to war then I will allow Britain to maintain a defensive military under government supervision.

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| March 21, 2014, 3:31 pm
Due to Germany's obsession with it's revolutionary rocket technology we will be testing an airship with ramjet boosters and possibly have it configured to fire large yield explosives.

The airship will see limited use as a base and possibly carry a limited amount of aircraft.

*breaks character*

Sounds silly but I'd like to exploit this...Even if it's pure fiction work.
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| March 21, 2014, 5:49 pm
The newly formed Union Pacific Federation will begin development of new class of multi-purpose warships to defend its territories.
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| March 21, 2014, 9:23 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01 Even if I have beef against Britain however if this does go forward to war then I will allow Britain to maintain a defensive military under government supervision.
*communism peeks in* Hi there!

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| March 22, 2014, 2:07 am
 Group admin 
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01
Sounds silly but I'd like to exploit this...Even if it's pure fiction work.

The problem isn't launching aircraft, its recovering them. Flying aircraft carriers are pure fantasy in this era because well moving a very sensitive fast moving object onto a big fat riveting moving object "I'm guessing into an enclosed hanger to" well its hard enough to land aircraft on regular carriers, and they usually have longer runways, and a lot of open room.

Deploying aircraft is far easier.
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| March 22, 2014, 9:53 am
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
The problem isn't launching aircraft, its recovering them. Flying aircraft carriers are pure fantasy in this era because well moving a very sensitive fast moving object onto a big fat riveting moving object "I'm guessing into an enclosed hanger to" well its hard enough to land aircraft on regular carriers, and they usually have longer runways, and a lot of open room.

Deploying aircraft is far easier.
Actually, the problem is staying in the air with a sizable airship that moves slowly with a large heat signature that screams shot me. After that the problem is landing on an aircraft, because landing on something that is floating/flying causes it to dip a bit, in water it is fine, but when something is flying you would need an advanced computer to continually adjust the airships so that when a plane lands on it the change in mass, and the force of 10+ tons plane hitting it at 100ish miles an hour, does not adjust its course or send it spiraling. Once that is done, it is a trivial matter to land the plane on a runway, if you have the correct compensation. It is not as much fantasy as just illogical.

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| March 22, 2014, 10:06 am
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Quoting Daniel Bozarth
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
The problem isn't launching aircraft, its recovering them. Flying aircraft carriers are pure fantasy in this era because well moving a very sensitive fast moving object onto a big fat riveting moving object "I'm guessing into an enclosed hanger to" well its hard enough to land aircraft on regular carriers, and they usually have longer runways, and a lot of open room.

Deploying aircraft is far easier.
Actually, the problem is staying in the air with a sizable airship that moves slowly with a large heat signature that screams shot me. After that the problem is landing on an aircraft, because landing on something that is floating/flying causes it to dip a bit, in water it is fine, but when something is flying you would need an advanced computer to continually adjust the airships so that when a plane lands on it the change in mass, and the force of 10+ tons plane hitting it at 100ish miles an hour, does not adjust its course or send it spiraling. Once that is done, it is a trivial matter to land the plane on a runway, if you have the correct compensation. It is not as much fantasy as just illogical.

Well I was referring to launching, and recovering aircraft. I don't see how an airships volatile nature really effects that aside from being a smoldering wreck which would hinder the ability to land aircraft significantly. I never said that an airships biggest problem was recovering aircraft, just a bigger problem that launching them.

I also said it was fantasy in this era. There is no computers advanced enough in the 50s, and in the 60s I'm not sure anything would be able to compensate for all of the problems it would have either. Lets not also forget the fuel for the ramjet engines, and aircraft, the large crew compliment required including pilots, and mechanics, Spare parts, and all the other things you would want to have with an aircraft carrier. The weight adds up, and are we expected for wolf to make it armored?

Also as common sense would expect planes need a long enough runway to land, and if they don't have that they can expect to slam into the back of an indoor runway hanger or go the length of a strip and fall off the airship. It wouldn't be that hard of a problem to fix, just make it longer. If you only have a 100 foot runway, even with an ability to catch the craft it can be a serious problem for a fast moving aircraft to land.
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| March 22, 2014, 10:41 am
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Today a new tank design has been developed by MAN corporation in Munich Germany.
The Panzerkampfwagen XI Kreuzritter
Its obviously designed for German, Prussian, and South African markets but if they are not happy with the final product it can be repurposed for later use by either another nation or another group.
Its a modernized version of the panzer 3, but quite larger.
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| March 22, 2014, 10:59 am
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Its a modernized version of the panzer 3, but quite larger.

The Panzer 3 is a bad concept, my NHK-1s will eat those for breakfast:D
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| March 22, 2014, 11:27 am
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Quoting Matthew Sylvan
The Panzer 3 is a bad concept, my NHK-1s will eat those for breakfast:D

But its not a Panzer 3, its a Panzer IX medium/heavy tank. It features more sloped armor, modern electronics, heavy duty suspension protected by sideskirts, heavy diesel engine, up to 150mm of fontal armor, and 120mm of side armor, and a 115mm rifled gun that can fire multiple kinds of ammo including HESH.
So your NHK-1s will be facing quite a problem if they expect quick kills against these modernized tanks.

Its inspired by panzer IIIs, but I obviously made changes. Its a tank for the 1960s, and while it wont be as fast as say my T-62 it will pack a large amount of firepower, and serve as a major threat in land warfare.
Its not that heavy for a heavy tank either, more like in between medium, and heavy.

As for panzer IIIs being a terrible concept maybe now they are but for the first few years of the war a lot of allied tank crewman would disagree with you. It was far superior to anything we had up until the M4, KV, and t34 was encountered, and served as the main power player for the German army. It was very successful, but like all equipment was made obsolete in time due to its limited firepower.
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| March 22, 2014, 11:57 am
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Hawaii isn't really on the bargaining table, it's my forward base in the pacific... I must say your use of the 3:1 rule is quite the clever rule exploitation. XD

I can't declare war due to your current declaration of war on those in Asia, but these terms are downright insulting given the massive firepower advantage my forces have if a conflict was to occur in South America. I'll have to think about this.

Brickviller is now at war with 3 other nations.
All parties have two weeks to send in a CR.
If
(A) CR are not sent in
(B) No real fighting takes place for a long enough period of time "say a month"
(C) all parties back out
Then the war is off.
no warring nations can expand in this time of war.
I cant have this slowing down annexations, and the game.
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| March 22, 2014, 12:00 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Today a new tank design has been developed by MAN corporation in Munich Germany.
The Panzerkampfwagen XI Kreuzritter
Its obviously designed for German, Prussian, and South African markets but if they are not happy with the final product it can be repurposed for later use by either another nation or another group.
Its a modernized version of the panzer 3, but quite larger.


The Empire is working on a similar project but this sound interesting. We however plan to build a much modern version with a different design and a turret with a decent calibrated gun.

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| March 22, 2014, 12:53 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Brickviller is now at war with 3 other nations.
All parties have two weeks to send in a CR.
If
(A) CR are not sent in
(B) No real fighting takes place for a long enough period of time "say a month"
(C) all parties back out
Then the war is off.
no warring nations can expand in this time of war.
I cant have this slowing down annexations, and the game.

Thanks for making that ruling, as someone with a vested interest I felt it best to let another admin make a decision about what should happen.
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| March 22, 2014, 1:40 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
But its not a Panzer 3, its a Panzer IX medium/heavy tank. It features more sloped armor, modern electronics, heavy duty suspension protected by sideskirts, heavy diesel engine, up to 150mm of fontal armor, and 120mm of side armor, and a 115mm rifled gun that can fire multiple kinds of ammo including HESH.
So your NHK-1s will be facing quite a problem if they expect quick kills against these modernized tanks.

Its inspired by panzer IIIs, but I obviously made changes. Its a tank for the 1960s, and while it wont be as fast as say my T-62 it will pack a large amount of firepower, and serve as a major threat in land warfare.
Its not that heavy for a heavy tank either, more like in between medium, and heavy.

As for panzer IIIs being a terrible concept maybe now they are but for the first few years of the war a lot of allied tank crewman would disagree with you. It was far superior to anything we had up until the M4, KV, and t34 was encountered, and served as the main power player for the German army. It was very successful, but like all equipment was made obsolete in time due to its limited firepower.

Prussia is interested.
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| March 22, 2014, 10:40 pm
Greater Korea has released it's newest naval weapon: https://www.flickr.com/photos/29135598@N07/13385219295/
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| March 24, 2014, 1:47 pm
The Empire's ballistic missile submarine is almost complete.

Image will be available.

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| March 24, 2014, 5:44 pm
Our new ballistic missile submarine is launched. The Leviathan will see future use in combat and it's ready for our allies to produce.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/97021840@N05/13396614745/
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| March 25, 2014, 12:39 am
 Group admin 
I'm still not sure why you are interested in ICBMs...
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| March 25, 2014, 12:34 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm still not sure why you are interested in ICBMs...


MOAR 50 CAL
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| March 25, 2014, 12:39 pm
Can we have a new national news thread? This one is getting really long.
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| March 25, 2014, 8:24 pm
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