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Well folks,

it wouldn't be a MA if there isn't a whining thread.
Title should be self-explanatory (at least for those of you playing this game the second or third time).
Feel free to whine here about the scores, judges, whatever (okay not whatever, just the first two points)...

- K.


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| March 4, 2014, 2:11 pm
[in Advance]
WHY DID I SCORE SO LOW! *whimper* *whimper*
Haha great to see this hilarious thread back!
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| March 4, 2014, 2:18 pm
What if we don't whine?
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| March 4, 2014, 2:19 pm
Quoting Stephen Boe
What if we don't whine?

well then this is the wrong thread :c
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| March 4, 2014, 2:24 pm
YAY!! Just what I need!! :D LCV might be the king of smack… I'LL be the king of WHINING! Mwuahahaha… Yeah… I have a feeling that anyone who isn't a big namer on MOCpages is going to make this thread quite popular...
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| March 4, 2014, 2:39 pm
I really don't think I'll be able to post six mocs from now to the end of March. Another problem is how strict the judges are, all of them give very low scores for as far as I have seen very good builds. I will not be able to make 6 amazing incredible mocs in that amount of time because of life and other things. I will try but I really think it's unfair.
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| March 4, 2014, 3:15 pm
Quoting Jackal :]
how strict the judges are, all of them give very low scores for as far as I have seen very good builds. I will not be able to make 6 amazing incredible mocs in that amount of time because of life and other things. I will try but I really think it's unfair.

Tell me about it!
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| March 4, 2014, 3:19 pm
Am I allowed to whine about the high scores being given to other peoples' entries? I mean, come on Kevin, you know Nick deserved a 3 there. Don't be timid! ;)
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| March 4, 2014, 3:21 pm
The judges seem quite harsh. I've seen quite a lot of good builds that scored a 2. It seems a bit unfair when you're told to go into more detail and get marked down when you have a piece limit of that particular colour.
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| March 4, 2014, 3:26 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Am I allowed to whine about the high scores being given to other peoples' entries? I mean, come on Kevin, you know Nick deserved a 3 there. Don't be timid! ;)

He speaks the truth!
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| March 4, 2014, 3:47 pm
While this thread does seem like a pretty good idea I think that it would be could if we had a critique thread [check this out!]
http://www.classic-castle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=25058

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| March 4, 2014, 3:48 pm
Quoting Luke the Swift
While this thread does seem like a pretty good idea I think that it would be could if we had a critique thread [check this out!]
http://www.classic-castle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=25058

You can probably do that in you team group, but I think It would be considered cheating if you asked this in the Mocathalon group.
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| March 4, 2014, 4:00 pm
WAAAAAH! I LACK MOTIVATION TO BUILD!!! WAAAAAH!..



Sorry. This IS the whining thread, isn't it?
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| March 4, 2014, 4:20 pm
Quoting Timothy .
You can probably do that in you team group, but I think It would be considered cheating if you asked this in the Mocathalon group.

I meant for after the contest was over!
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| March 4, 2014, 4:48 pm
My scores were too low! Kevin J Walter is too harsh! The busted category is too hard for Reynolds (I think?)! I don't know if I can build the cornucopia from the hunger games correctly! My presentation was dull!

(In all seriousness, none of these are true)
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| March 4, 2014, 5:55 pm
Greyson And Kevin Feeling some type of way about some of these builds lol. I see a bunch of twos that definitely are three material
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| March 4, 2014, 9:23 pm
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
Greyson And Kevin Feeling some type of way about some of these builds lol. I see a bunch of twos that definitely are three material

I am thankful they are volunteering their time to help though
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| March 4, 2014, 9:24 pm
Why do we have to have a whining thread?
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| March 4, 2014, 10:09 pm
Quoting Ian ...
Why do we have to have a whining thread?

.. :P.... If you don't want a whining thread... DON"T WHINE! :P
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| March 4, 2014, 11:01 pm
Can I whine about whiners? Welcome to using the full scoring scale in a contest and not just the upper 25% of the scale.

Ignoring what LCV said about my moc ;)
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| March 4, 2014, 11:07 pm
I've been taking ages on a moc in which might not even be allowed because of category relevance, and might look worse than the trouble is worse in the end... Not to say that I have five other mocs to go and just as many school projects.
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| March 4, 2014, 11:36 pm
I just broke my arm and my right hand is disabled for the time being,
Never thought I'd use the whining thread like this.
I'm out of the moccing industry for now :(
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| March 5, 2014, 6:50 am
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Quoting Sebeus I
I just broke my arm and my right hand is disabled for the time being,
Never thought I'd use the whining thread like this.
I'm out of the moccing industry for now :(


Pfft! That's no excuse! You still have ten PERFECTLY good toes AND not to mention an entire left hand still... Man... with an excuse like that you'd think you had soccer practice or something TRULY important that precluded you from building. I swear the excuses I hear during these contests...

(jokes aside, get better soon man!)
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| March 5, 2014, 8:16 am
Why has no one judged my entry yeeeeet *WAH*

(Probably because I haven't uploaded it?)

Why haven't I uploaded an entry yeeeeet *WAH*
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| March 5, 2014, 9:53 am
 Group admin 
The thread was intented for serious whining on scores and judges and not as a smack talk II thread ;-)
And to the question for what we need that thread: There is at some point at some time someone who thinks he deserves a better score... ^^

- K.
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| March 5, 2014, 10:36 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Pfft! That's no excuse! You still have ten PERFECTLY good toes AND not to mention an entire left hand still... Man... with an excuse like that you'd think you had soccer practice or something TRULY important that precluded you from building. I swear the excuses I hear during these contests...

(jokes aside, get better soon man!)

Thanks, you know what? this IS the perfect occasion to see what my toes are worth, got to spend my time somehow anyway :P

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| March 5, 2014, 11:04 am
Just a small complaint, I believe the judges need to be more open-minded...
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| March 5, 2014, 4:12 pm
I agree with T.J...
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| March 5, 2014, 4:47 pm
Quoting Jackal :]
I agree with T.J...


Well, the judges are just using the full scale of 1 to 5.. I mean, it's normal that you feel dissapointed about your low scores, but sometimes you're just way too optimistic! You for instance commented on a photo saying itshould probably get 4's or 5s, while it could have been done much better..

Most of the judges have a lot of experience, and they definitely know what a good build is and what not :)

Good luck building!
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| March 6, 2014, 4:50 am
Quoting Stijn Oom

Well, the judges are just using the full scale of 1 to 5.. I mean, it's normal that you feel dissapointed about your low scores, but sometimes you're just way too optimistic! You for instance commented on a photo saying itshould probably get 4's or 5s, while it could have been done much better..

Most of the judges have a lot of experience, and they definitely know what a good build is and what not :)

Good luck building!

Listen, I'm NOT complaining about my scores, but it seems as though when an obscure builder is creative, he gets a low score for departing from the status quo. But when Elliott Feldman (NO offense to him or anyone else) is creative, they are perfectly willing to accept it. Again, I'm not talking about my builds, but the general entries. (I still respect these guys for giving their time to judge, I'm just trying to improve the contest, and I'm not exactly referring to ALL the judges…)
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| March 6, 2014, 7:29 am
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Listen, I'm NOT complaining about my scores, but it seems as though when an obscure builder is creative, he gets a low score for departing from the status quo. But when Elliott Feldman (NO offense to him or anyone else) is creative, they are perfectly willing to accept it. Again, I'm not talking about my builds, but the general entries. (I still respect these guys for giving their time to judge, I'm just trying to improve the contest, and I'm not exactly referring to ALL the judges…)

I think the problem is that there's a difference between successful and unsuccessful creativity. Elliot utilized tons of new techniques, creative ways of building...and it all worked really well to make a great looking entry. IMO if a technique or creative bit doesn't make something look better, it's not all that useful. Hope this helps!
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| March 6, 2014, 9:51 am
Quoting Halhi 141
I think the problem is that there's a difference between successful and unsuccessful creativity. Elliot utilized tons of new techniques, creative ways of building...and it all worked really well to make a great looking entry. IMO if a technique or creative bit doesn't make something look better, it's not all that useful. Hope this helps!

Oh yes, I realize the superiority of Elliott's creativity, but I have seen fairly successful creativity that has been awarded with 2's. NO disrespect to Elliott, he did a GREAT job!!
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| March 6, 2014, 10:30 am
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Just a small complaint, I believe the judges need to be more open-minded...

I think you should be more careful with your complaints. These judges [who as you say are not open minded in your opinion]are giving a ton of there time. They deserve our respect and admiration, not petty complaints. My first entry got 6 points. Guess what? I am happy with that! Because 1. I learned a valuable lesson about Force Perspective. 2. I enjoyed building it. When you bring it down to the base level, that's all it's about. Just having fun, not getting these super huge gigantic great scores. So my advice! Just relax and have fun!
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| March 6, 2014, 10:32 am
I agree with you Luke! You are a good guy and sorry judges..
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| March 6, 2014, 10:33 am
Quoting Luke the Swift
I think you should be more careful with your complaints. These judges [who as you say are not open minded in your opinion]are giving a ton of there time. They deserve our respect and admiration, not petty complaints. My first entry got 6 points. Guess what? I am happy with that! Because 1. I learned a valuable lesson about Force Perspective. 2. I enjoyed building it. When you bring it down to the base level, that's all it's about. Just having fun, not getting these super huge gigantic great scores. So my advice! Just relax and have fun!

Okay, first off, if you read my following comments you would have seen my respect for their time, and secondly, I'm not so sure you fully understand the points system. (plus, my creations aren't getting bad scores, I was speaking of others…)
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| March 6, 2014, 10:36 am
Remember also that it's all a judgment call. The judges have a certain perspective that is in line with their own aesthetics of what a 5 out of 5 moc should be. It's the reason why Chris chooses a variety of builders in differing styles to be the judges. If you have a wider base, you can cover a wider range of mocs more consistently.

I would hope that the judges are rather harsh in their decisions, it makes for an intense competition and a more accurate scale of the scoring. Except, of course, in regards to mine. ;)
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| March 6, 2014, 10:39 am
I agree with you matt, you make a fair point but it's just I'm not the best at building and I feel like I'll just get a 1...
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| March 6, 2014, 10:40 am
Quoting Greyson Beights

Thanks for that. That clarifies it a bit. It helps to remember that the judges' opinions are just that: opinions. We should respect their rulings and take it as an opportunity to improve. Although I still agree with T.J. on some things. It seems as if the more accomplished builders are receiving higher scores regardless of the build's actual merit, at least in some cases. For the majority of the time, though, when they receive high scores, they deserve it. Are there any suggestions from the judges on what we lesser-known builders might do to rack up higher points? Is there some type of rubric that you use to judge our creations? And again, I respect your opinions, and really appreciate all the time you are committing.
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| March 6, 2014, 10:54 am
I agree with what Kevin said it does seem like the more accomplished builders are getting higher scores.
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| March 6, 2014, 10:57 am
Quoting Jackal :]
I agree with you matt, you make a fair point but it's just I'm not the best at building and I feel like I'll just get a 1...

Don't take it as an insult by any means. There's a scale that the judges have to abide by. Greyson said it best, take it as an opportunity.

A true critique is NEVER an insult. It's a new set of eyes with a lifetime of different experiences. Use it to your advantage and be completely open to it. Run your mocs past your teammates before posting here, get their opinions. And just have fun. ;)
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| March 6, 2014, 10:59 am
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Okay, first off, if you read my following comments you would have seen my respect for their time, and secondly, I'm not so sure you fully understand the points system. (plus, my creations aren't getting bad scores, I was speaking of others…)

Indeed yet, you still posted your first statement! To me that is slapping the judges and, this competition in the face! Try to have some respect.
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| March 6, 2014, 11:06 am
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Oh yes, I realize the superiority of Elliott's creativity, but I have seen fairly successful creativity that has been awarded with 2's. NO disrespect to Elliott, he did a GREAT job!!

Not to mention you are accusing the judges of favoritism! That is something that I know the judges wouldn't do because I know 4 out of the 6 extremely well!
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| March 6, 2014, 11:08 am
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Quoting Sebeus I
I just broke my arm and my right hand is disabled for the time being,
Never thought I'd use the whining thread like this.
I'm out of the moccing industry for now :(

That's rough man, I hope you are feeling better soon.
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| March 6, 2014, 11:13 am
Quoting matt rowntRee
Remember also that it's all a judgment call. The judges have a certain perspective that is in line with their own aesthetics of what a 5 out of 5 moc should be. It's the reason why Chris chooses a variety of builders in differing styles to be the judges. If you have a wider base, you can cover a wider range of mocs more consistently.

I would hope that the judges are rather harsh in their decisions, it makes for an intense competition and a more accurate scale of the scoring. Except, of course, in regards to mine. ;)


Man, you are a cool guy! Are you like a philosopher? That helped a lot, thanks Matt!
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| March 6, 2014, 11:18 am
WAAAAAHHHHH!!!

Yes. I did just join the group for this. And with that, good day.
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| March 6, 2014, 11:45 am
Quoting Luke the Swift
Not to mention you are accusing the judges of favoritism! That is something that I know the judges wouldn't do because I know 4 out of the 6 extremely well!

WAIT!! I am not accusing them of favoritism! I'm simply stating that it is hard for newbies to be creative! like I said, Elliott did a masterful job, and he fully deserved his score! I just want the judges to be a small bit less harsh on new techniques. (again, you judges are really giving up time for this contest, so please realize I respect that.)
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| March 6, 2014, 12:48 pm
Quoting Greyson Beights
I believe we need to be on the same page here. It is not about us being nice, evil, strict, lenient, or harsh. We are just trying to be honest and give the score that WE (not you, not your teammates, and not other builders) think your build deserves. Most of the time I try to give a reason for my score, if you don't like it -that is fine, it's normal not to like a judge's score. However, instead of rebuking the judges' constructive criticism, you should perhaps embrace it as an opportunity to improve.

On the creativity note you chaps have brought up, I believe Halhi said it wisely. There is a fine line between failed and successful creativity. Whether we think it fails or succeeds is up to us -everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

This is not directed at anyone in particular and should be taken as a mere note from a humble judge. ;)

Have a fine day gentlemen,

-Greyson

I just want to clarify that at the end of my whine, I said that all of those complaints are not true, in case for some reason you didn't see it.
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| March 6, 2014, 12:50 pm
Quoting Luke the Swift
Indeed yet, you still posted your first statement! To me that is slapping the judges and, this competition in the face! Try to have some respect.

Wow, listen man, your accusing me of being rude, wow. I don't know what you have against me complaining in the whining thread. If they weren't open to complaints they would not have opened this thread. I am being as respectful as possible while making my point. My first statement was a simple hint at what I saw in certain MOC judging. They are probably doing a better job than I would, but I thought I would make use of the Whining thread to lodge my small complaint. So please, try to get of my case. If you don't like complaints, leave the thread. Maybe "Cloud Cuckoo Land" would suit you better. These judges are not going to be offended by my opinion. They probably couldn't care less what I said.
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| March 6, 2014, 12:54 pm
Quoting Greyson Beights
I believe we need to be on the same page here. It is not about us being nice, evil, strict, lenient, or harsh. We are just trying to be honest and give the score that WE (not you, not your teammates, and not other builders) think your build deserves. Most of the time I try to give a reason for my score, if you don't like it -that is fine, it's normal not to like a judge's score. However, instead of rebuking the judges' constructive criticism, you should perhaps embrace it as an opportunity to improve.

On the creativity note you chaps have brought up, I believe Halhi said it wisely. There is a fine line between failed and successful creativity. Whether we think it fails or succeeds is up to us -everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

This is not directed at anyone in particular and should be taken as a mere note from a humble judge. ;)

Have a fine day gentlemen,

-Greyson

Yep, you got it right. But I think if you didn't want us to complain, you shouldn't have opened the thread. (That wasn't intended to be rude, I feel that my small complaints are perfectly suitable to this thread, thats all.)


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| March 6, 2014, 12:58 pm
I wish to whine about all the people who are whining about the whining. People have there own opinions about what people say. Lets say I made a pile of cr#p for the M.A., and got a 1. I would have every right to complain about my score! It is constitutional! But forcing your opinion on others is oppressive and me@n. I respectfully ask the mature gentlemen in this thread to let sleeping dogs lie. If you are insulted by this comment, please reply to it with your opinion, but you cannot change my take on this matter, so leave it be!
~Zach
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| March 6, 2014, 1:51 pm
Quoting Zach Lucia
I wish to whine about all the people who are whining about the whining. People have there own opinions about what people say. Lets say I made a pile of cr#p for the M.A., and got a 1. I would have every right to complain about my score! It is constitutional! But forcing your opinion on others is oppressive and me@n. I respectfully ask the mature gentlemen in this thread to let sleeping dogs lie. If you are insulted by this comment, please reply to it with your opinion, but you cannot change my take on this matter, so leave it be!
~Zach

Atta-boy!

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| March 6, 2014, 1:52 pm
I wish I had more bricks. I wish my little sisters weren't taking naps. I wish that I didn't have to do this homework. I wish I got better scores. I wish I could be eating. And building. I wish mega***s didn't exist. I wish I wasn't an obscure nobody on MOCpages. I wish I had more money. I wish there was a LEGO store closer to where I live. I wish it were Spring. I wish school was done. I wish I could upload a kick brick MA entry. I wish that annoying clock on that wall would run out of batteries. I wish I could type faster on this iPod. I wish this iPod wasn't a 2nd generation. I wish I had a fifth generation iPod. I wish the world was not a bad place. I wish I had better LEGO skills. I wish I could stop making typos in this comment. I wish...
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| March 6, 2014, 2:17 pm
Good man, sorry judges and anyone else I have offended for Zac is right!
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| March 6, 2014, 2:28 pm
Quoting Jackal :]
Good man, sorry judges and anyone else I have offended for Zac is right!

I wanna whine about this comment, my name is Zach.
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| March 6, 2014, 2:29 pm
I'm sorry I'm sorry zach! :P what you said is true, here let me favourite builder you!
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| March 6, 2014, 2:33 pm
Quoting Jackal :]
I'm sorry I'm sorry zach! :P what you said is true, here let me favourite builder you!

Thanks!
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| March 6, 2014, 2:35 pm
Quoting Jackal :]

Man, you are a cool guy! Are you like a philosopher? That helped a lot, thanks Matt!

I'm just another builder like you. ;)

Play well!
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| March 6, 2014, 3:39 pm
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Atta-boy!

Wow you are hypocrisy at it's finest dude!
Idk why ppl take the whining thread seriously. this is pretty much just another version of the smack thread. If you have a serious complaint. I would suggest you phrase it in a kind manner in the question thread. the whining thread isn't serous.
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| March 6, 2014, 3:47 pm
I wish I had money to order some of saber-scorpion's decals.
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| March 6, 2014, 3:50 pm
Quoting Luke the Swift
Wow you are hypocrisy at it's finest dude!
Idk why ppl take the whining thread seriously. this is pretty much just another version of the smack thread. If you have a serious complaint. I would suggest you phrase it in a kind manner in the question thread. the whining thread isn't serous.

Okay. Luke, please stop harassing me and calling me names. I have been respectful to the judges, so I really don't know why you won't get off my back. I am kindly refraining from being mean to you, and I wish you would stop trying my patience. You seem to come after me no matter what I say, and then I refute your comment. This is getting old. I am being very patient while you rail on me, but even we Christians can only take so much...
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| March 6, 2014, 3:58 pm
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Quoting Kevin Moyer
Although I still agree with T.J. on some things. It seems as if the more accomplished builders are receiving higher scores regardless of the build's actual merit, at least in some cases.



Quoting Jackal :]
I agree with what Kevin said it does seem like the more accomplished builders are getting higher scores.


In regards to this issue...

I've stated this in past MocAthalons as well. When I'm judging entries, I don't even LOOK at who the builder is until AFTER I've already commented and judged. When I sit down to judge I go to the creations page, find the last moc that I judged and click on the next one in line without reading it. I then click through every moc in order, never reading who it's built by until AFTER the judgment is in. I do this on purpose so that I know (for myself) that there was no bias in my judging.

This of course is just how I do it, for myself so that I can be sure in my own mind that I didn't give any unintentional bias.

~Chris.

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| March 6, 2014, 4:08 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

In regards to this issue...

I've stated this in past MocAthalons as well. When I'm judging entries, I don't even LOOK at who the builder is until AFTER I've already commented and judged. When I sit down to judge I go to the creations page, find the last moc that I judged and click on the next one in line without reading it. I then click through every moc in order, never reading who it's built by until AFTER the judgment is in. I do this on purpose so that I know (for myself) that there was no bias in my judging.

This of course is just how I do it, for myself so that I can be sure in my own mind that I didn't give any unintentional bias.

~Chris.

Thanks Chris, although I never suspected you guys of real bias…
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| March 6, 2014, 4:10 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Thanks. Though to make it clear, I'm not accusing any of the judges of bias. As likely as not, it's me who's biased. I respect your opinions, and I will now go and work on making my MOCs awesome so that I have nothing to complain about. Thank you for your time and good day.
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| March 6, 2014, 4:23 pm
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Okay. Luke, please stop harassing me and calling me names. I have been respectful to the judges, so I really don't know why you won't get off my back. I am kindly refraining from being mean to you, and I wish you would stop trying my patience. You seem to come after me no matter what I say, and then I refute your comment. This is getting old. I am being very patient while you rail on me, but even we Christians can only take so much...

woe! You really need to calm down. understand this I am not upset at all or trying to rail on you. I am just trying to keep you accountable. You may think you are being respectful and, I believe you are sincere but, understand this your comments are coming across very opposite to that. I am mainly keeping an eye on you and, trying to show you how rude comments can be. In other words I tried to give you a taste of your own medicine. Now I shall be more civil =). Yes popular builders get better scores because they are great builders. As Chris said they are not Biased and, you have had to people use your comment to back them, up saying the judges are being Biased. So my admonishment is be careful what you say and how you say it. especially over MOCpages where you cannot control how people receive what you say. Sorry if I took it a little to far but, I like to try to make points. Even if they are Lessons of, as some say tough love.
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| March 6, 2014, 5:32 pm
Quoting T. J. Pownell
If you make a comment in a huge contest group that even suggests you having a problem with the judges, expect to be dogged on. I am speaking from both witness, and experience.

Anyways, why are you complaining? That's a GOOD score! All (from what I've seen...) of your scores have been 3 thus far. Even the harsh judge, (who will remain unnamed >:D ) gave you a three. Just keep building, and don't let the internet get the better of you. It happens.
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| March 6, 2014, 6:18 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting T. J. Pownell
If you make a comment in a huge contest group that even suggests you having a problem with the judges, expect to be dogged on. I am speaking from both witness, and experience.

Anyways, why are you complaining? That's a GOOD score! All (from what I've seen...) of your scores have been 3 thus far. Even the harsh judge, (who will remain unnamed >:D ) gave you a three. Just keep building, and don't let the internet get the better of you. It happens.

Listen David, I respect your advice, but I wasn't even complaining about my scores. I was making a small suggestion as to other people's scores.
However, no one seems to realize that, so I will take your advice and stay out of these threads. :)
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| March 6, 2014, 6:23 pm
<<<<Quoting Luke the Swift ...think you should be more careful with your complaints…

Here is where it started...
Quoting Luke the Swift ...Try to have some respect...

That is where you tell me what to do...
Quoting Luke the Swift ...Not to mention you are accusing the judges of favoritism!…

That is where you accuse me of saying something I did NOT.
Quoting Luke the Swift Wow you are hypocrisy at it's finest dude!

And this is where you took it WAY too far.

Quoting Luke the Swift
woe! You really need to calm down. understand this I am not upset at all or trying to rail on you. I am just trying to keep you accountable. You may think you are being respectful and, I believe you are sincere but, understand this your comments are coming across very opposite to that. I am mainly keeping an eye on you and, trying to show you how rude comments can be. In other words I tried to give you a taste of your own medicine. Now I shall be more civil =). Yes popular builders get better scores because they are great builders. As Chris said they are not Biased and, you have had to people use your comment to back them, up saying the judges are being Biased. So my admonishment is be careful what you say and how you say it. especially over MOCpages where you cannot control how people receive what you say. Sorry if I took it a little to far but, I like to try to make points. Even if they are Lessons of, as some say tough love.

I don't believe that you are responsible for keeping me accountable. I don't believe that the judges are biased. If you were to carefully read through this mess, you would find that I was making a small suggestion.

Being your ELDER, my admonishment is to stop picking fights to keep people accountable. YOU came across as rude and base. I like to make points too, such as the small one I made that you turned into a fight.

From now on I will not use this thread, as I feel everyone is SO sensitive, (not the judges, but the "judge defenders) I will now stop communicating on this thread. And to all you people out there, THE JUDGES ARE AWESOME!! THEY TOOK THE TIME TO ANSWER MY SMALL COMPLAINT, AND THEN THEY EXPLAINED!! THUMBS UP TO THE JUDGES!!

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| March 6, 2014, 6:36 pm
Quoting T. J. Pownell
I don't believe that you are responsible for keeping me accountable. I don't believe that the judges are biased. If you were to carefully read through this mess, you would find that I was making a small suggestion.

Being your ELDER, my admonishment is to stop picking fights to keep people accountable. YOU came across as rude and base. I like to make points too, such as the small one I made that you turned into a fight.

From now on I will not use this thread, as I feel everyone is SO sensitive, (not the judges, but the "judge defenders) I will now stop communicating on this thread. And to all you people out there, THE JUDGES ARE AWESOME!! THEY TOOK THE TIME TO ANSWER MY SMALL COMPLAINT, AND THEN THEY EXPLAINED!! THUMBS UP TO THE JUDGES!!

My deepest and, humblest apologies. You are absolutely right. I took it much too far please forgive me.

I am just super defensive of judges. sorry.
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| March 6, 2014, 6:43 pm
Quoting Luke the Swift
My deepest and, humblest apologies. You are absolutely right. I took it much too far please forgive me.

I am just super defensive of judges. sorry.

Thanks man, I'm sorry for over-reacting, Its all good! Looking forward to building more for this awesome contest!
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| March 6, 2014, 7:09 pm
I like turtles.
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| March 6, 2014, 8:13 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting T. J. Pownell
If you make a comment in a huge contest group that even suggests you having a problem with the judges, expect to be dogged on. I am speaking from both witness, and experience.

Anyways, why are you complaining? That's a GOOD score! All (from what I've seen...) of your scores have been 3 thus far. Even the harsh judge, (who will remain unnamed >:D ) gave you a three. Just keep building, and don't let the internet get the better of you. It happens.

David, that right there is what is called wisdom. You had a rocky start in the MocOlympics and some harsh words fall your way. It is statements like this that truly give me hope. I am proud of your very mature statements here. Nicely said, keep up the perspective. I think it suits you well.

matt
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| March 6, 2014, 8:20 pm
Quoting Luke the Swift
I think you should be more careful with your complaints. These judges [who as you say are not open minded in your opinion]are giving a ton of there time. They deserve our respect and admiration, not petty complaints. My first entry got 6 points. Guess what? I am happy with that! Because 1. I learned a valuable lesson about Force Perspective. 2. I enjoyed building it. When you bring it down to the base level, that's all it's about. Just having fun, not getting these super huge gigantic great scores. So my advice! Just relax and have fun!

Brah have you seen your builds compared to TJs? Hop off my team mate brah. >:I
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| March 6, 2014, 9:07 pm
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
Brah have you seen your builds compared to TJs? Hop off my team mate brah. >:I

It's alright Josh, we've resolved the misunderstanding…
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| March 6, 2014, 9:10 pm
Quoting T. J. Pownell
It's alright Josh, we've resolved the misunderstanding…

XD i am late
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| March 6, 2014, 9:13 pm
Quoting {JOG} Josh O.
Brah have you seen your builds compared to TJs? Hop off my team mate brah. >:I

I don't want another fight here but, I never said my builds were better?
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| March 6, 2014, 10:13 pm
It'd be nice if I could get better at building... :/ I dunno..... :|
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| March 6, 2014, 11:42 pm
Quoting Wolverine .
It'd be nice if I could get better at building... :/ I dunno..... :|

Just practice
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| March 6, 2014, 11:45 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting matt rowntRee
I like turtles.


That sounds suspiciously like optimism and/or irrelevance in the whining thread. I'll be watching closely.....
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| March 7, 2014, 3:38 am
WAH! I went through the pain of that mosaic for a 1 and 2!
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| March 7, 2014, 7:45 am
Quoting Alex Rode
WAH! I went through the pain of that mosaic for a 1 and 2!

Wa wa wa....
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| March 7, 2014, 8:28 am
Waaa, I got a 1 on my mecha! :-( That means "This is basically for just posting; now come on, you have to put SOME effort into the MOC." Really? That's it? You guys really do want the moon, don't you? (This is all in fun. I, after all, CAN whine in the whining thread).
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| March 7, 2014, 11:54 am
Quoting Kevin Moyer
Waaa, I got a 1 on my mecha! :-( That means "This is basically for just posting; now come on, you have to put SOME effort into the MOC." Really? That's it? You guys really do want the moon, don't you? (This is all in fun. I, after all, CAN whine in the whining thread).

You're not alone man; it's the same for me.
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| March 7, 2014, 12:38 pm
The Mocathlon has been going for more than a week and I haven't had the time to finish, nonetheless post, an entry! Waaaaa! :P
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| March 7, 2014, 7:17 pm
Open note to the judges: be careful with waving the score 1 around. Looking at the grading criteria it clearly states that these builds show no effort and are awarded 'just for posting'. This should be used sparingly as a deterrent to people trying to fill categories at the last moment with poor builds. Dishing this out to contestants who clearly tried undermines the fun inclusive spirit of the contest. All of us want more builders playing, enjoying themselves and pushing at what they can do - I see almost everyone playing doing this. This is an open note, I haven't received any bad scores (yet gulp), and would except one if I got one. But do think about why Chris devised a marking criteria, what parity in marking means and more importantly why this competition exists, works and how it helps scores of builders every year advance their skills.
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| March 8, 2014, 2:38 am
I know I wasn`t going to get a fantastic score on my pirate haven, but a score of 1. Are you kidding ME!
If you`re going to give me a score that low I at least have the right to know why.
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| March 8, 2014, 3:39 am
I agree with the others, who have recieved marks of 1, which I don't consider should be marked that low. Some of these people have spent a lot of time building these creations, and I don't think your giving them much gratitude from the scores you are giving them. I think you, the judges, should really think about the score you give people, and consider if they really do desverve them or not...
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| March 8, 2014, 4:09 am
 Group admin 
Okay folks,

I try to clarify my judgements:
1. The explanation of the point system is from my sight something like a guideline, neither absolute to take, nor it's pretty concrete. In other words, a bit vague...
2. About the low scores - cause I know that most of the comments here regarding my given scores:
I don't favor anyones creation, just cause I know the builder and his reputation (I do it like Chris explained it here).
Taking the Mech as a case example (no hard feelings there!), there were some good Mechs at the beginning of the games - executed well in design, techniques, parts usage etc. They got high scores by this causes. I do absolutely see someones efforts in a creation, seriously - I play the role of a judge in the MA since three years now (or four?!)... but if I wanna judge fair to all players I have to consider as well, what other people done so far in this category and what I gave them for scores - So I had to set it in relation a bit.
Seeing the dilemma there? If I give someone a higher score on a Mech, than other may complain why they didn't get the 5 instead of a 4.
Another point is, I can't judge a built background, equally how good it's actually looking, if the category just state "build a Mech".
Last but not least I confess, I have probably the highest requirements here in the games as a judge, the same requirements I give myself, when I build something (if I only had the time for it, hehe).
This may help... or not...

- K.
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| March 8, 2014, 5:52 am
Donut...
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| March 8, 2014, 7:43 pm
Why is my creation too big for my photo setup? I tried so hard, and I think the iffy photos are negatively affecting my score.

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| March 9, 2014, 7:38 pm
I got an undeserved score from Greyson, A 1??
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| March 11, 2014, 7:15 am
Quoting Reynolds .
I got an undeserved score from Greyson, A 1??

The judge is not entitled to give you more than a 1 dude.
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| March 12, 2014, 8:33 am
- my first and only whine -

I NEED MORE TIME!!! Why must chronological time be such a harsh master!? Can't there be a little leway?? An extra hour or two?? I'm not asking for much, but come on!!!

- whining complete, please return to your lives -
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| March 12, 2014, 10:43 am
Kevin, you still have not judged my entry while all the other judges have. It's on page 2 of the creations.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/383410
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| March 14, 2014, 10:46 pm
The harsh judges should follow the criteria instead of just dashing out 1s and 2s. It says you get a 1 just for posting, thought I have seen many mocs deserving more than a 1 or a 2, and it seems that that person has put time into his or her moc.
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| March 14, 2014, 10:58 pm
I really agree with Timothy . . . I mean, I probably put 5 hours into my mosaic. The picture was bad and I have a limited grey scale. It's not perfect, but it is recognizable and I put in a lot of effort. Ah well, it's over now.
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| March 18, 2014, 2:45 pm
Alright, guys… If you use this thread, please be aware that certain users may attack you thinking that they are defending the judges… so be ready!
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| March 18, 2014, 2:54 pm
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Alright, guys… If you use this thread, please be aware that certain users may attack you thinking that they are defending the judges… so be ready!

Yeah, that's happened before. I think we know what I'm talking about...
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| March 18, 2014, 3:58 pm
Quoting Kevin Moyer
Yeah, that's happened before. I think we know what I'm talking about...

Lol! Good times! (Not)
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| March 18, 2014, 4:03 pm
 Group admin 
I've noticed that the Rube Goldberg category is really throwing some people for a loop. Here, allow me to help a bit.

When I think of Lego Rube Goldberg, for ME (not all the judges, just me) I personally think that this is probably the best I've seen to date (at least in the top three but none others come to mind).

http://mocpages.com/moc.php/344355

Really take a look at how many "steps" are involved, how all the steps work together and how it is "OVERCOMPLICATING the performing of a SIMPLE task." I think what most people are missing is the "overcomplicating" part. They've got the "simple task" down to a science, but are missing the "fun" part of the category (over complicating it).

I hope that helps. Good luck everyone!
~Chris.
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| March 18, 2014, 5:12 pm
For all of you who need to provide official documentation of your whining:

http://www.n4lcd.com/hurt-feelings-report.pdf
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| March 18, 2014, 5:20 pm
The judges are on to me. -_-
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| March 19, 2014, 3:52 pm
Quoting Dodge ...
- my first and only whine -

I NEED MORE TIME!!! Why must chronological time be such a harsh master!? Can't there be a little leway?? An extra hour or two?? I'm not asking for much, but come on!!!

- whining complete, please return to your lives -

I have one entry in, with the month more than halfway over, and still a ton of schoolwork... you have four entries in at the same point, and want more time. :P But I do understand you wanting more time. One always needs more time.
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| March 19, 2014, 5:17 pm
Quoting Matt W.
For the category "Go for the Gold" I was told to do Modern Olympics, Not past....However, this dude got 4's, and his is futuristic....Shouldn't he get a point reduction???

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/384303

WAAAAAHHHHH!!!! (idk)

Different category dude, he did Sport of the Future.
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| March 24, 2014, 7:29 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Different category dude, he did Sport of the Future.

I should reading stuff sometimes...
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| March 24, 2014, 7:30 pm
Quoting Matt W.
For the category "Go for the Gold" I was told to do Modern Olympics, Not past....However, this dude got 4's, and his is futuristic....Shouldn't he get a point reduction???

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/384303

WAAAAAHHHHH!!!! (idk)
Uh, that's for "Sport of the Future".
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| March 24, 2014, 7:30 pm
Quoting Matt W.
I should reading stuff sometimes...

;)
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| March 24, 2014, 7:31 pm
Quoting Graham Gidman
Quoting Matt W.
For the category "Go for the Gold" I was told to do Modern Olympics, Not past....However, this dude got 4's, and his is futuristic....Shouldn't he get a point reduction???

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/384303

WAAAAAHHHHH!!!! (idk)
Uh, that's for "Sport of the Future".

Yes I know now...Thank you.
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| March 24, 2014, 7:32 pm
Quoting Matt W.
I should reading stuff sometimes...

Read*, not reading
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| March 24, 2014, 7:35 pm
Quoting Stephen Boe
Read*, not reading

WAHHHH!!! WAHHHHH!!! WAHHH!! WAHHH!!!
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| March 24, 2014, 7:39 pm
Quoting T. J. Pownell
Alright, guys… If you use this thread, please be aware that certain users may attack you thinking that they are defending the judges… so be ready!

haha this makes me laugh thinking back to that interchange! [no hard feelings]
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| March 31, 2014, 5:31 pm
Whaaaaa...Everyone told me it was a month :O I thought I could still upload today!!!
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| March 31, 2014, 10:13 pm
My entry for the under the sea category (http://mocpages.com/moc.php/384892) received two 2s, under the reasoning that it lacks the under the sea kind of look. I must admit, that is true, to a certain degree. But I did have things in there that pointed to an underwater environment. The turbines at the shoulders of the mech for example. Not to mention the photo-setup for the pictures at the start of the creation.

I also think there is another, less obvious problem with the reasoning that my creation lacks the under the sea feel. Let me give you a scenario:
Say I had made an underwater scene from a movie. The scene I made might not have any traces to suggest that it is underwater to someone who hasn't seen the movie, but anyone who has seen the movie will immediately say it fits the category perfectly, because they have seen what I built (in non-lego form) in an underwater environment before. However, I made up the story that accompanied my entry myself. Because I wrote it myself, it looks like I am making excuses so that my entry will fit the category. The moc based off the movie and the moc not based off the movie could have the same lack of underwater feel, but the moc based off of the movie would not get a point off for not quite matching the category just because the story that it is underwater already exists. I think the decision that my entry does not have the under the sea feel to it that the judges were looking for might have to do with the fact that my story sounds like an excuse to fit it into the category. But if the story had already existed, then that would not have come up, regardless of whether it actually looks like it is underwater or not. And again, I did include signs that my creation is underwater.
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| March 31, 2014, 11:58 pm
All I've got so far are a bunch of 2s and two 1s.
"1 point: This is basically for just posting; now come on, you have to put SOME effort into the MOC.

2 points: Good effort put forth. You spent some "actual" time creating the MOC and it doesn't burn our eyes to look at it."

I'm not feeling the love. -_-
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| April 2, 2014, 4:19 pm
Waaaahhhhh!!!!! I don't think we won!!!!! Waaaahhhhh!!!!!
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| April 3, 2014, 11:57 am
Looks like pulp briction is at the very bottom of the rankings. Out of 5 members, only 3 bothered to post any entries. There are a total of 8 entries in the group. The highest score given was 4. The average score was 2.
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| April 3, 2014, 2:29 pm
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