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this is REALLY odd.

my creation went on the homepage, and, as I was refreshing the homepage, checking if someone had replied to my comment, then my creation left the homepage!?!?!

what in heck? why did it do that???
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| May 6, 2012, 8:14 pm
I'd really love to know the allgorithm - my MOC yesterday did the vanishing act off the homepage a few times too!

Quoting The Timinater !
this is REALLY odd.

my creation went on the homepage, and, as I was refreshing the homepage, checking if someone had replied to my comment, then my creation left the homepage!?!?!

what in heck? why did it do that???


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| May 6, 2012, 8:33 pm
Same thing happened to me, but it got back on.

Someone told me that they accidentally rated my MOC a 1, and it took me off, and they fixed it and it put me back on. Not sure if it's the same thing, but that might have something to do with it.

Also, I think that if you're MOC gets a certain amount of likes, the creation will come off of the homepage, and hopefully reach another amount, and get on the Explore page. That is my thought though.
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| May 6, 2012, 8:54 pm
Quoting Seth .
Same thing happened to me, but it got back on.

Someone told me that they accidentally rated my MOC a 1, and it took me off, and they fixed it and it put me back on. Not sure if it's the same thing, but that might have something to do with it.

Also, I think that if you're MOC gets a certain amount of likes, the creation will come off of the homepage, and hopefully reach another amount, and get on the Explore page. That is my thought though.

it hasn't gone back on :(

its FRUSTRATING!!!!
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| May 6, 2012, 11:30 pm
Quoting Chris Roach

thanks...
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| May 6, 2012, 11:30 pm
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Quoting The Timinater !
this is REALLY odd.

my creation went on the homepage, and, as I was refreshing the homepage, checking if someone had replied to my comment, then my creation left the homepage!?!?!

what in heck? why did it do that???


If you're talking about your most recent creation, I checked it and there was only 4 likes on it. All it would take is for all the other creations on the homepage to have 5 or more likes and yours would get booted. That's probably what happened.

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| May 7, 2012, 7:07 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

If you're talking about your most recent creation, I checked it and there was only 4 likes on it. All it would take is for all the other creations on the homepage to have 5 or more likes and yours would get booted. That's probably what happened.

nah, it wasn't that creation. it was this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/322380 and it ALREADY HAD 10 LIKES!!! it went on the homepage, then left. the end one came back on, then my one never came back :(
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| May 7, 2012, 3:24 pm
Yeah, I'm experiencing this too. I just posted a MOC, it has 10 likes right now, and it's not on the homepage. I've had this happen before as well, I have no idea what causes it.
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| May 8, 2012, 12:51 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Yeah, I'm experiencing this too. I just posted a MOC, it has 10 likes right now, and it's not on the homepage. I've had this happen before as well, I have no idea what causes it.

That is odd. My latest has 8 at the moment and it's still there.
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| May 8, 2012, 12:55 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
That is odd. My latest has 8 at the moment and it's still there.

Hmm, I wonder if it has to do with timing?
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| May 8, 2012, 12:59 pm
And now I am on the homepage. Peculiar. Still, doesn't seem overly serious, at least.
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| May 8, 2012, 1:08 pm
It is rather frustrating isn't it!? It has happened to me countless times but fortunately I'm quite popular so it eventually gets back up there. Mortal and I have come to the conclusion that once you get 4 ILI's (3 plus the mysterious missing one) it will appear on the HP. We also suspect it might be somebody ill rating something new that appears on the HP to get their creation back on. I am also interested to know what the criteria is to get a creation on "Accross MOCpages" Anybody have any idea? And Tim I'll have a look at your creation now :-)
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| May 8, 2012, 1:17 pm
Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
I am also interested to know what the criteria is to get a creation on "Accross MOCpages" Anybody have any idea?

My theory is that it's the 4 most popular creations that are between 1 and 3 weeks old. Or at least something along those lines.
EDIT:1-2 weeks, sorry.
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| May 8, 2012, 1:22 pm
It seems that the top 12 creations from the previous week are on the explore page; once the first week is up, if it's in the top four, it'll appear on the home page for up to another week, depending on whether something more popular was posted later. I think that makes sense...
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| May 8, 2012, 1:31 pm
There is another way creations can go off. If some hater rates the creation 1/5 or 2/5 it will be taken off the homepage and this has been happening to me as well. It seems like we all might be having a problem.
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| May 8, 2012, 1:33 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
I think that makes sense...

Yeah, I think that's right.
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| May 8, 2012, 1:34 pm
It happened to me once or twice on the same moc, But it reappeared. No clue what happened
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| May 8, 2012, 1:43 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
It seems that the top 12 creations from the previous week are on the explore page; once the first week is up, if it's in the top four, it'll appear on the home page for up to another week, depending on whether something more popular was posted later. I think that makes sense...
Kind of clears it up a bit lol

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| May 8, 2012, 1:52 pm
this does have to do with home pages so when ever i go to edit my home page it just loads a blank screen. anybody else having this problem?
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| May 8, 2012, 4:49 pm
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sigh, I see the front page is spammed full of minifigs and bionicle again. I don't see why anyone bothers anymore.
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| May 9, 2012, 6:40 am
Quoting andros tempest
sigh, I see the front page is spammed full of minifigs and bionicle again. I don't see why anyone bothers anymore.
It really bugs me, especially when one person (no names mentioned) posts a load of "butchered" minifigs on the the same day. The day that Bionicles die a death is a happy day for me lol
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| May 9, 2012, 7:11 am
Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
Quoting andros tempest
sigh, I see the front page is spammed full of minifigs and bionicle again. I don't see why anyone bothers anymore.
It really bugs me, especially when one person (no names mentioned) posts a load of "butchered" minifigs on the the same day. The day that Bionicles die a death is a happy day for me lol

Hey, I can speak for everyone here. I am just going to say (as to not show true response/feelings) that there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, the minifigs do get out of control sometimes(maybe all of them on a single page would be better), but Bionicle is NOT bad. I am a Bio-Mocist, and I'm proud of it. It's not as easy as it looks, especially when you want to build something particularly well.

My latest moc (not saying you should go check it out :P) is a Bionicle, and so what? It's not looked down upon, but when you make something that is good enough for System mocers to comment on, you know you are doing well. Few people have the gift of being able to make Technic work when usingg Bionicle, I'd say I am one of them.

Don't grill Bionicle, us Bio-Mocists don't particularly like that.
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| May 9, 2012, 7:20 am
Quoting Kyle Peckham
Don't grill Bionicle, us Bio-Mocists don't particularly like that.
Apologies, my comment sounded quite harsh and generalistic. There are a few exceptions when it comes to Bios, some of yours are included Kyle, but the exceptional builds (the ones that incorporate technic and system and look like they've taken time, thought and skill to build) are few and far between. I do appreciate a good Bio Moc and do rate and comment to show my appreciation. But as you have probably gathered I'm not really a fan. IMO the majority of them look samey and awkward . I didn't mean to cause any offence, I'm just voicing my opinion ;-)
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| May 9, 2012, 7:31 am
Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
Quoting Kyle Peckham
Don't grill Bionicle, us Bio-Mocists don't particularly like that.
Apologies, my comment sounded quite harsh and generalistic. There are a few exceptions when it comes to Bios, some of yours are included Kyle, but the exceptional builds (the ones that incorporate technic and system and look like they've taken time, thought and skill to build) are few and far between. I do appreciate a good Bio Moc and do rate and comment to show my appreciation. But as you have probably gathered I'm not really a fan. IMO the majority of them look samey and awkward . I didn't mean to cause any offence, I'm just voicing my opinion ;-)

Perfectly understandable. =D

Most Bionicles are just mixed up sets, the usual GOOD builds are the ones that get people's attention.
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| May 9, 2012, 7:34 am
Quoting Kyle Peckham
Perfectly understandable. =D

Most Bionicles are just mixed up sets, the usual GOOD builds are the ones that get people's attention.

Got that right.
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| May 9, 2012, 8:20 am
Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
IMO the majority of them look samey and awkward . I didn't mean to cause any offence, I'm just voicing my opinion ;-)


Ahh so it's more of a quality issue than anything else. *puts away the dueling sword-chucks*

I am inclined to agree, but the disadvantaged (be it skill, knowledge or parts) will always outnumber the rest of us. The best we can do is try to help them improve their work.

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| May 9, 2012, 8:41 am
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I don't feel I've anything to apologise for. My statement stands. The front page is littered with spammed mocs that don't deserve to be as popular as they "appear".

Limited or developing mocers do need help and support - true, and I don't want to discourage them having a place in the community. But the front page is supposed to be the "best of the best" and it infuriates me when all I see are "mates voting for their mates" regardless of whether what they produce is quality or not.

Some Bionicle is pretty good, but it is very rare I see anything that is any more creative than an official set, and certainly not worth the rave reviews I read. Similarly a single picture of a single mutilated minifig is hardly a demonstration of "skill", either in photography or presentation. Again, only someone who is hoping for "votes" in return, would show these limited mocs any consideration, IMO.

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| May 9, 2012, 9:40 am
All of the above can be rectified by people VOTING HONESTLY. Simple as that.

I'm properly disillusioned by the 'I like it' system, and when people reply to every comment on their own MOCs separately just to boost their chances of being in the Most Discussed section. Luckily for me I don't care whether I get on the homepage or not, so I don't actually look to see if anyone else gets there either : )

I care whether I'm proud of what I make, whether I feel I can make a difference to MOCpages, and that if someone builds a good MOC, I'll find it, enjoy it, and congratulate them. If it's a bad MOC and it's on the homepage, I just don't click on it : )

The people fighting to get their MOCs on the homepage or sabotaging others should go outside for a bit. There's sunshine, real people and everything : )
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| May 9, 2012, 9:59 am
Quoting Ape Fight
*Lengthy comment*

I agree. And while I have brought up creations disappearing, it is because I'm puzzled by the phenomenon, not because I lust for more comments.
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| May 9, 2012, 10:11 am
Quoting TheToaBuilder 1
this does have to do with home pages so when ever i go to edit my home page it just loads a blank screen. anybody else having this problem?

that's because you have the 'marquee' thing...
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| May 9, 2012, 3:55 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
I agree. And while I have brought up creations disappearing, it is because I'm puzzled by the phenomenon, not because I lust for more comments.

same.

just realized that 1 guy didn't 'like' it. it must have been taken off then, which sux. that was one of my best creations yet :(
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| May 9, 2012, 3:57 pm
Quoting Ape Fight

The people fighting to get their MOCs on the homepage or sabotaging others should go outside for a bit. There's sunshine, real people and everything : )

Haha, so true.
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| May 9, 2012, 4:02 pm
i think its the top 4 MOCs from the week before at least thats what it looks like to me!

Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
It is rather frustrating isn't it!? It has happened to me countless times but fortunately I'm quite popular so it eventually gets back up there. Mortal and I have come to the conclusion that once you get 4 ILI's (3 plus the mysterious missing one) it will appear on the HP. We also suspect it might be somebody ill rating something new that appears on the HP to get their creation back on. I am also interested to know what the criteria is to get a creation on "Accross MOCpages" Anybody have any idea? And Tim I'll have a look at your creation now :-)


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| May 9, 2012, 4:10 pm
Quoting Ape Fight
I care whether I'm proud of what I make, whether I feel I can make a difference to MOCpages
It'd be nice to see an new MOC from you mate ;-)

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| May 10, 2012, 8:29 am
Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
Quoting Ape Fight
I care whether I'm proud of what I make, whether I feel I can make a difference to MOCpages
It'd be nice to see an new MOC from you mate ;-)

Response on one of your MOCs!
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| May 10, 2012, 2:29 pm
Quoting Ape Fight
Response on one of your MOCs!
Cheers for your comments on my Birds Ape, very much appreciated! Did you test your IQ before you decided to go to I**Q lol My cousin is currently on tour with the Army around Afganistan, I must say I don't envy him, or you for that matter ;-)

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| May 10, 2012, 3:29 pm
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get a little off topic here aren't we guys?

re:above. Totally agree, obsessing about getting on the front page is a waste of energy. Take some time away from LEGO and the net if it has become THAT important. Because it sure isn't healthy to be that fixated.

And yes, I know from an experiment I did a few days ago, rating a moc 3 or less does in deed knock it down the list, and that can knock it off the home page altogether. In fact I believe someone complained a few months back that they felt a certain person was doing that deliberately to force their own mocs onto the home page.

Like Ape Flight pointed out, if we were honest with our reviews that sort of thing wouldn't be an issue.

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| May 11, 2012, 8:08 am
Creations, I think, just get on the homepage by meeting a random set of criteria. I think it is similar to the 'MOC of the Day' set of regulations. I think luck is the only way on. Besides, are we all really, genuinely here just to get things on the homepage?
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| May 15, 2012, 8:08 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Creations, I think, just get on the homepage by meeting a random set of criteria. I think it is similar to the 'MOC of the Day' set of regulations. I think luck is the only way on. Besides, are we all really, genuinely here just to get things on the homepage?

I think its after a certain mount of likes within a certain amount of time...
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| May 15, 2012, 8:12 pm
I think I've been around enough to know how it works: Whenever a MOC gets four 'likes' in the first few hours after it is posted, it get's displayed on the homepage. If it is voted less than a four or five, it get's removed. It can also be removed when other MOCs cycle through (it goes to the right and down), eventually getting pushed out.
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| May 16, 2012, 10:18 am
From what I've read in this conversation, I think I can sum up that if you get somebody who rates your moc 1/5 or 2/5, it will be taken off the frontpage. But that's really unfair, because I could go around trolling people I don't like off the homepage (not that I would) and that would suck for everyone.

This is a major problem with the site (and not the only one, there's a long list of things that suck with mocpages!) and I think that Sean or whoever works with this stuff should fix it ASAP. And while you're at it, could you fix a few other bugs, and maybe add a commenting system that doesn't open a new page, because I hate that, and I think everyone else does too :D

Just saying, the only way to stop the trolls is to make it so that they can't troll!
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| May 21, 2012, 8:58 pm
Just happened to me :(
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| June 19, 2012, 3:57 am
Quoting Steve The Squid
This is a major problem with the site (and not the only one, there's a long list of things that su-k with mocpages!) and I think that Sean or whoever works with this stuff should fix it ASAP. And while you're at it, could you fix a few other bugs, and maybe add a commenting system that doesn't open a new page, because I hate that, and I think everyone else does too :D

Just saying, the only way to stop the trolls is to make it so that they can't troll!

Whine whine whine whine whine.
If you don't like it, leave.
If you want to moan and complain, try making some donations. Hosting a site this large costs boatloads of money, and I don't see any of you doing anything about it.

Unless you're going to volunteer your services as a coder pro bono?


Didn't think so.



As for the commenting system, I like it. Far too many sites these days are weighted down with buggy java script and flash widgets, and (at least on Flickr) you can't actually do anything like, oh, post a comment, until the entire page has loaded. Including ads.
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| June 19, 2012, 4:54 am
same with me. I posted one when the uploader was down. It had 16 likes and it NEVER even showed up until the day after. Then it got booted in about an hour!

http://mocpages.com/moc.php/328392
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| June 19, 2012, 5:54 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Whine whine whine whine whine.
If you don't like it, leave.
If you want to moan and complain, try making some donations. Hosting a site this large costs boatloads of money, and I don't see any of you doing anything about it.

Unless you're going to volunteer your services as a coder pro bono?


Didn't think so.



As for the commenting system, I like it. Far too many sites these days are weighted down with buggy java script and flash widgets, and (at least on Flickr) you can't actually do anything like, oh, post a comment, until the entire page has loaded. Including ads.

Now now Areesta. We mustn't SCARE him away! ;)
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| June 19, 2012, 5:56 am
Quoting The Timinater !
same.

just realized that 1 guy didn't 'like' it. it must have been taken off then, which sux. that was one of my best creations yet :(

There are actually 4 comments without likes. That must have done it.
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| June 19, 2012, 6:01 am
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while I wouldn't have phrased it quite like that, I'm in total agreement with areetsa. if the situation is so bad you feel the need to ask for the entire website to be redesigned, perhaps this isn't the right website for you.

The help group needs practical suggestions and support as much as it needs us to report issues. And not being on the front page isn't a deal breaker for the majority.

The current system isn't perfect, but it's better than nothing. Be grateful the website is even working, last year in june and july the extra traffic meant the website was down as much as it was up. Now THAT is a problem.


I know I've commented once or twice in this thread myself, but my complaint is not that the website somehow falls short of expectations, because it has an exploitable flaw. My view is and will remain, that the issue is with the people who are obsessed with "fame" by any means.

If people weren't so preoccupied with getting on, and staying on, the front page in the first place, then the cheating wouldn't matter.

true, mocs that get to the front page get more views, get more likes and get more comments. But it doesn't make them better builds.

Just wanted to clarify. I'm against the trolls, cheats and favouritism, and will complain about it in any appropriate forum if I feel there is a justifiable need. I do not however feel the website is "broken" just because I can't seem to get onto the front page. Far from it.
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| June 19, 2012, 6:30 am
Quoting Original Channel of MOCpages (Caleb)
Now now Areesta. We mustn't SCARE him away! ;)

I suspect 'twould be small loss.
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| June 19, 2012, 7:14 am
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