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Why does the MotD(MOC of the Day) always appear randomly? I think only the most deserving MOCs should be the MotD.
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| June 14, 2012, 11:50 pm
Quoting Killer Quadrapeds The Power Armor Smith
Why does the MotD(MOC of the Day) always appear randomly? I think only the most deserving MOCs should be the MotD.

And who's going to pick the "most deserving MOCs"?
Quoting Chris Phipson
If you happen to know anyone who is independently wealthy and has nothing better to do that surf mocpages every day for the MOTD then by all means let us know.

Until then, this system (randomly chosen after a few criteria (number of hits, number of likes and so on) are met) will just have to do.

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| June 15, 2012, 12:35 am
Quoting Areetsa C
And who's going to pick the "most deserving MOCs"?
Quoting Chris Phipson
If you happen to know anyone who is independently wealthy and has nothing better to do that surf mocpages every day for the MOTD then by all means let us know.

Until then, this system (randomly chosen after a few criteria (number of hits, number of likes and so on) are met) will just have to do.

Well, a MOCpages Mod could do that.. or a daily vote, since there are thousands of peeps on the 'pages.
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| June 15, 2012, 12:38 am
Quoting Killer Quadrapeds The Power Armor Smith
Well, a MOCpages Mod could do that.. or a daily vote, since there are thousands of peeps on the 'pages.

If you seriously think Phipsonman and Kelsolad are going to sift through 330,000 posts every day, you need your head examined.

As for a vote, oh, yes, please, let's have every single immature kiddie on the pages campaigning to get his stuff MOTD. Every single one. All day. Every day. Spamming every moc in sight trying to drum up votes with promises of 5/5s and favorite buildering.
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| June 15, 2012, 12:48 am
 Group moderator 
Already been discussed at great length before. Like Areetsa pointed out, a system based on popularity is vulnerable to abuse and fraud. Random works most of the time, at least you get to see a moc you might otherwise never have looked at. If it was only "The most popular" moc it would wind up being the same one every day.

Not ideal.
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| June 15, 2012, 4:40 am
Quoting Killer Quadrapeds The Power Armor Smith
Why does the MotD(MOC of the Day) always appear randomly? I think only the most deserving MOCs should be the MotD.

It's the only fair way. Like Areetsa said, imagine the chaos that would unsue if so many people nominated their MOCs to be viewed.
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| June 15, 2012, 6:28 am
 Group admin 
What so many members fail to realize with MOC of the Day, is that it isn't meant to show only the biggest or best MOCs on the site, but offer an example of a creation to visitors.

Perhaps you'll note that the image doesn't even have a title. It doesn't say "Feature MOC" or "MOC of the Day" on it. And the significance of having our creation, or someone elses up there also got blown out of proportion.

While I've not discussed it with Sean, my suspicion is that it was meant to be an image that fuctioned as a sample of a creation; one that was physically larger than the many thumbnails on the home page - a design aesthetic. But, like so many of Seans initial fun little ideas, or design choices (such as "likes," personal home pages, and groups), many members take it WAY too seriously and manage to create all kinds of unnecessary drama around it.
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| June 15, 2012, 6:48 am
Quoting Areetsa C
If you seriously think Phipsonman and Kelsolad are going to sift through 330,000 posts every day, you need your head examined.

As for a vote, oh, yes, please, let's have every single immature kiddie on the pages campaigning to get his stuff MOTD. Every single one. All day. Every day. Spamming every moc in sight trying to drum up votes with promises of 5/5s and favorite buildering.

You have a point,the kiddies are getting out of hand...

Really, all I wanted to know is WHY, and "Quoting Cris Phipson" helped me out, so thanks. And there is no need to be rude about it.
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| June 15, 2012, 11:14 am
Quoting andros tempest
Already been discussed at great length before. Like Areetsa pointed out, a system based on popularity is vulnerable to abuse and fraud. Random works most of the time, at least you get to see a moc you might otherwise never have looked at. If it was only "The most popular" moc it would wind up being the same one every day.

Not ideal.

Yeah, it IS fair...
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| June 15, 2012, 11:15 am
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Quoting Chris Melby


I've mentioned this before Mark around Phipson, and he calls it whining, but I'll try to get through to you instead. Sean isn't hosting this site for his health. It costs time and money to run the servers, and perform maintenance on them. Every time site traffic is up say due to a Mocathalon or something similar, other functions suffer, such as the like feature, or views, this is no coincidence, there is limited server capacity that has been delegated to this site. With that said, why have the site, so we can all marvel at each others Moc's? Or so Sean can advertise his Professional work? Definitely the latter. With that said, I think the regular users feel that an outdated MOTD really shows how un-personal this site really is. If Sean was interested in tightening up his resources, and putting them to work in a better way, he could tune up the large "draw in Pic" to something fresh and bold, say his own work, that is for sale. Maybe as a moderator, you could influence an improvement here. Or not, whatever ;)


Some solid points, Chris.

Bottom line for me, though - and of course, this is just my opinion - is that asking Sean to make adjustments, upgrades, etc. is a bit like the old adage of "looking a gift horse in the mouth." If I were a paying member of the site, of even felt that Sean was making money off of the site (through ads and whatnot), then I wouldn't hesitate to ask for improvements. But, as it stands, I don't feel real comfortable suggesting alterations or asking for improvements.

I could be wrong - I certainly don't make that statement emphatically. I often think..."well, it's a team effort, really. MOCpages wouldn't exist without the members. Don't they have the right to ask for improvements in things like design aesthetics and functionality?"

Just some thoughts that come to mind with your points.

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| June 16, 2012, 8:06 am
Quoting Mark Kelso

Some solid points, Chris.

Bottom line for me, though - and of course, this is just my opinion - is that asking Sean to make adjustments, upgrades, etc. is a bit like the old adage of "looking a gift horse in the mouth." If I were a paying member of the site, of even felt that Sean was making money off of the site (through ads and whatnot), then I wouldn't hesitate to ask for improvements. But, as it stands, I don't feel real comfortable suggesting alterations or asking for improvements.

I could be wrong - I certainly don't make that statement emphatically. I often think..."well, it's a team effort, really. MOCpages wouldn't exist without the members. Don't they have the right to ask for improvements in things like design aesthetics and functionality?"

Just some thoughts that come to mind with your points.

i personally think all due respect to sean but maybe he should step down.. he can have all his advirtisments and all but it seems like its Chris and Mark who do all the work they should be running it.. they are the ones always telling sean the problem becuase Sean has to many other things to do... i know this is only lego but come on i think that i, like most people want to post there mocs and if there is a problem it should be fixed quickly.. i dont blame everyone for going over to Flickr. something needs to change on mocpages and fast in my eyes or this website will completely break down...
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| June 17, 2012, 10:54 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso
What so many members fail to realize with MOC of the Day, is that it isn't meant to show only the biggest or best MOCs on the site, but offer an example of a creation to visitors.

Perhaps you'll note that the image doesn't even have a title. It doesn't say "Feature MOC" or "MOC of the Day" on it. And the significance of having our creation, or someone elses up there also got blown out of proportion.

While I've not discussed it with Sean, my suspicion is that it was meant to be an image that fuctioned as a sample of a creation; one that was physically larger than the many thumbnails on the home page - a design aesthetic. But, like so many of Seans initial fun little ideas, or design choices (such as "likes," personal home pages, and groups), many members take it WAY too seriously and manage to create all kinds of unnecessary drama around it.



Good point, i think the MOTD system works great
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| June 18, 2012, 9:22 am
Just a suggestion, but if Sean ever does find time to change MOTD, maybe the most popular MOC posted the previous day could be up there? I mean, if you're trying to offer visitors a good impression of the site why not put up something current so they really DO get a realistic, current window into MOCpages?
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| June 18, 2012, 2:36 pm
Quoting Max W.
Just a suggestion, but if Sean ever does find time to change MOTD, maybe the most popular MOC posted the previous day could be up there? I mean, if you're trying to offer visitors a good impression of the site why not put up something current so they really DO get a realistic, current window into MOCpages?

Very good idea.
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| June 18, 2012, 2:38 pm
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Quoting Timmy Sterkel
i personally think all due respect to sean but maybe he should step down.. he can have all his advirtisments and all but it seems like its Chris and Mark who do all the work they should be running it.. they are the ones always telling sean the problem becuase Sean has to many other things to do... i know this is only lego but come on i think that i, like most people want to post there mocs and if there is a problem it should be fixed quickly.. i dont blame everyone for going over to Flickr. something needs to change on mocpages and fast in my eyes or this website will completely break down...


Nice of you to mention us, but we really don't do a whole lot.

This is my perspective...

MOCpages is actually just a side item for all of us. Sean does use it for his business to some degree, but it's only a small part of what he does, and it's by no means a money maker. Meanwhile, Chris and I volunteer all of our time to just sort of "chip in," hopefully providing a little relief for Sean in keeping up to speed with any problems or needs from members. And (I'm confident I can speak for Chris here...) neither of us even remotely have the knowledge or time to dedicate to running this site or anything similar.

It's definitely got it's problems, but MOCpages is also unique in it's design and how it can display Lego creations, and IT'S FREE! All of that comes from Sean, who does this for the sake of the community, and out of a love for the brick.

So yeah, MOCpages has its faults. But Sean gets my unwaivering respect and admiration for taking on such a challenge - one I couldn't BEGIN to fathom tackling - for the sake of providing something really extraordinary for us all.

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| June 19, 2012, 7:30 am
Quoting Mark Kelso
*snip*

Hear, hear.
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| June 19, 2012, 8:46 am
Quoting Timmy Sterkel
i personally think all due respect to sean but maybe he should step down.. he can have all his advirtisments and all but it seems like its Chris and Mark who do all the work they should be running it.. they are the ones always telling sean the problem becuase Sean has to many other things to do... i know this is only lego but come on i think that i, like most people want to post there mocs and if there is a problem it should be fixed quickly.. i dont blame everyone for going over to Flickr. something needs to change on mocpages and fast in my eyes or this website will completely break down...


I totally disagree. First of all, what Sean does is out of the love for LEGO. This site has issues ( as all other sites ). This site might seem to have rather more than the average, but it also have so many advantages compared to for example flicker and bricklink. the way it displayes builds and that you can upload unlimited. That builds is shown with not just a title, but an picture also. The way you can communicate here is better than flickr, but an ordinary forum has it advantages on this issue. Forums however looses on the title only display.
Are prople "escaping" to flickr ? ... In that case, why ? ... Personally i got a flickr account also, but i rarely uses it. The whole way the hieracy is build on flickr lags so many things that MOCpages got. Yeah, when MOCpages has an issue or error, it takes more than average time for the team to fix it. But IMO thats worth the wait. Me and the kids found out about the big LEGO community cause of MOCpages, and we have accounts on a lot of other LEGO sites now. However we still prefer MOCpages cause of the way that it works. Just my take on this whole issue. Not trying to flame or anything. :)

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| June 19, 2012, 11:52 am
Quoting LEGO Family

I totally disagree. First of all, what Sean does is out of the love for LEGO. This site has issues ( as all other sites ). This site might seem to have rather more than the average, but it also have so many advantages compared to for example flicker and bricklink. the way it displayes builds and that you can upload unlimited. That builds is shown with not just a title, but an picture also. The way you can communicate here is better than flickr, but an ordinary forum has it advantages on this issue. Forums however looses on the title only display.
Are prople "escaping" to flickr ? ... In that case, why ? ... Personally i got a flickr account also, but i rarely uses it. The whole way the hieracy is build on flickr lags so many things that MOCpages got. Yeah, when MOCpages has an issue or error, it takes more than average time for the team to fix it. But IMO thats worth the wait. Me and the kids found out about the big LEGO community cause of MOCpages, and we have accounts on a lot of other LEGO sites now. However we still prefer MOCpages cause of the way that it works. Just my take on this whole issue. Not trying to flame or anything. :)

Agreed :)
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| June 19, 2012, 12:00 pm
Quoting Timmy Sterkel
i personally think all due respect to sean but maybe he should step down.. he can have all his advirtisments and all but it seems like its Chris and Mark who do all the work they should be running it.. they are the ones always telling sean the problem becuase Sean has to many other things to do... i know this is only lego but come on i think that i, like most people want to post there mocs and if there is a problem it should be fixed quickly.. i dont blame everyone for going over to Flickr. something needs to change on mocpages and fast in my eyes or this website will completely break down...

If you think Flickr is better, your welcome to to leave, but Sean actually does ALOT of work, especially after the crash last year, he actually flew (flying today is just a bunch of time and money out the door) to fix some of our issues.
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| June 19, 2012, 12:01 pm
Three cheers for Sean!
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| June 19, 2012, 12:14 pm
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Quoting Chris Melby
With that said, why have the site, so we can all marvel at each others Moc's? Or so Sean can advertise his Professional work? Definitely the latter.


Actually, that's not true... I run MOCpages because I love the community. I do want you all to marvel at each others' MOCs. I have always been a part of the AFOL community, going all the way back to 1998. AFOLs and the community are like family to me.

Besides, MOCpages has been around since long before I was creating LEGO sculptures professionally. (Take a look at some of my oldest MOCs! Just stuff I made for fun.)

I continue to add all my LEGO creations here because I have a lot of fans on MOCpages, not because I want to advertise. I actually go out of my way to prevent my creations from being too popular here. (For example, MOCpages' software will never select one of my MOCs as the main homepage image.)

And if you're wondering about those little square ads of mine on the sidebar ... they're paid for. That spot is reserved for AFOL/community advertising at below-market rates. (We just don't have any other advertisers in there right now.)

Quoting Chris Melby
With that said, I think the regular users feel that an outdated MOTD really shows how un-personal this site really is.


I think it's cool to see awesome MOCs from 10 years ago. You don't? A lot people here weren't on MOCpages that long ago and otherwise may have missed an "oldie but a goodie".


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| June 25, 2012, 1:36 pm
Quoting Sean Kenney

Actually, that's not true... I run MOCpages because I love the community. I do want you all to marvel at each others' MOCs. I have always been a part of the AFOL community, going all the way back to 1998. AFOLs and the community are like family to me.

Besides, MOCpages has been around since long before I was creating LEGO sculptures professionally. (Take a look at some of my oldest MOCs! Just stuff I made for fun.)

I continue to add all my LEGO creations here because I have a lot of fans on MOCpages, not because I want to advertise. I actually go out of my way to prevent my creations from being too popular here. (For example, MOCpages' software will never select one of my MOCs as the main homepage image.)

And if you're wondering about those little square ads of mine on the sidebar ... they're paid for. That spot is reserved for AFOL/community advertising at below-market rates. (We just don't have any other advertisers in there right now.)

Quoting Chris Melby
With that said, I think the regular users feel that an outdated MOTD really shows how un-personal this site really is.


I think it's cool to see awesome MOCs from 10 years ago. You don't? A lot people here weren't on MOCpages that long ago and otherwise may have missed an "oldie but a goodie".


Well said
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| June 25, 2012, 2:19 pm
Quoting Sean Kenney
I think it's cool to see awesome MOCs from 10 years ago. You don't? A lot people here weren't on MOCpages that long ago and otherwise may have missed an "oldie but a goodie".

Once again, Master Kenney has restored order. I fully agree.
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| June 25, 2012, 2:28 pm
Yay! Ok, I really don't like these type of things. Just drop it please. It is random. Not chosen. Now you all know it.
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| June 25, 2012, 6:51 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
If you seriously think Phipsonman and Kelsolad are going to sift through 330,000 posts every day, you need your head examined.

As for a vote, oh, yes, please, let's have every single immature kiddie on the pages campaigning to get his stuff MOTD. Every single one. All day. Every day. Spamming every moc in sight trying to drum up votes with promises of 5/5s and favorite buildering.

So true. So very very true. I like this comment a lot =D
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| June 25, 2012, 6:55 pm
The random selection is excellent. It avoids the trend you see in groups all over the rest of the net. Orthodoxy.

In any group of people, there will emerge a small group of decision makers. They are the “First Decision Makers” they make most of the decisions because they are the most aggressive or the most stubborn. Later, they become the "Usual Decision Makers". Finally, because we are creatures of habit, they become the "Official Decision Makers".

That is what would happen if you removed the random element from the MOD selection process. MOCs that displayed the same characteristics would appear over and over.

Other styles, and the occasional "accidental masterpiece" would never be seen.

Heck, the random process challenges me to look at and think about MOCs that I would never decide on my own to look at. It helps combat my tendency to narrow my own perspective.

I applaud the random selection. It's the only method I actually trust.

Attack!

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| June 28, 2012, 9:28 am
Quoting Michael Rutherford
The random selection is excellent. It avoids the trend you see in groups all over the rest of the net. Orthodoxy.

In any group of people, there will emerge a small group of decision makers. They are the “First Decision Makers” they make most of the decisions because they are the most aggressive or the most stubborn. Later, they become the "Usual Decision Makers". Finally, because we are creatures of habit, they become the "Official Decision Makers".

That is what would happen if you removed the random element from the MOD selection process. MOCs that displayed the same characteristics would appear over and over.

Other styles, and the occasional "accidental masterpiece" would never be seen.

Heck, the random process challenges me to look at and think about MOCs that I would never decide on my own to look at. It helps combat my tendency to narrow my own perspective.

I applaud the random selection. It's the only method I actually trust.

Attack!

Exactly! I don't mind the randomness. It's not biased and sometimes you get really good stuff you would have never seen.
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| June 28, 2012, 10:44 am
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