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Censor Engine
So I've been trying for two days to post a lengthy comment in a group, and despite my best efforts in rewriting it and checking it for bad language, it's not getting trough.
I think it would be way easier to MOD ourselves if we actually knew what may trigger modding/automatic rejection.
Moreover, if something goes directly in the trash, we can't edit it in way that complies with the rules because there's just no way to know which rule we broke.
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| June 7, 2013, 12:37 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Yuri Fassio
So I've been trying for two days to post a lengthy comment in a group, and despite my best efforts in rewriting it and checking it for bad language, it's not getting trough.
I think it would be way easier to MOD ourselves if we actually knew what may trigger modding/automatic rejection.
Moreover, if something goes directly in the trash, we can't edit it in way that complies with the rules because there's just no way to know which rule we broke.



While the suggestion of self-moderation is a good one, it is not currently practical given the limitations of the website in its current form.

As for not knowing what it was that triggered moderation, perhaps one of the mods in the group you are trying to post in can enlighten you.

All I can say for this group is, I monitor the moderation queues here and you do not have anything that requires authorisation.
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| June 7, 2013, 12:43 pm
Not this group, and the admin there can't let through the stuff that gets scrapped by the Censor Engine itself.
Fact is, without knowing what triggered it, I can't edit the post accordingly.
I mean, I know swear words are forbidden (there was a time even "cockpit" was forbidden, but that has been corrected), but besides that, is there anything we should watch out for?
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| June 7, 2013, 1:28 pm
Quoting michael k.
Quoting Yuri Fassio

I didn't see your comment on the approval page (Maybe Achintya Prasad saw it). Are you sure the page isn't timing out? That happens often. When you click continue, does it say in the yellow bar at the top of the screen, "Your comment will be posted shortly, (please do not resubmit it)"?
If you have a long comment to type, I'd just type it somewhere else and paste it into the comment box, or when you finish typing it, copy the whole thing so when it times out and doesn't post, you can just paste it back in.

No, I just copy/pasted it already.
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| June 7, 2013, 1:30 pm
Quoting michael k.
Quoting Yuri Fassio

I didn't see your comment on the approval page (Maybe Achintya Prasad saw it). Are you sure the page isn't timing out? That happens often. When you click continue, does it say in the yellow bar at the top of the screen, "Your comment will be posted shortly, (please do not resubmit it)"?
If you have a long comment to type, I'd just type it somewhere else and paste it into the comment box, or when you finish typing it, copy the whole thing so when it times out and doesn't post, you can just paste it back in.
Oh, the irony.

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| June 7, 2013, 4:25 pm
Quoting Max W. Oh, the irony.

Yeah... and he totally missed the issue at hand, too.
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| June 7, 2013, 5:12 pm
Since I am Admin, I should weigh in. My group (and the one in question) is International Fan of Lego Debate Club. Many of our comments are sent to me to be "approved". However, Mr. Fassio's comment is not showing up for me to moderate, or post.
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| June 7, 2013, 5:16 pm
I like the idea of something like an error message when you click continue so you can edit it right away. I usually don't have that issue because I know tricks, but there are times where it'd be helpful, especially if it was something I was replying to and didn't realize that the comment had something wrong while what I was saying was perfectly fine.
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| June 7, 2013, 6:25 pm
 Group moderator 
Can I ask, is the comment not appearing so you are assuming it requires approval, but when the admins look at the queues they aren't seeing it.

In which case I would say the issue is that you have timed out because it took too long to type and send the message. In future I'd cut and paste messages into a new comment box and send rather than typing them directly. This might help.

I must point out that sometimes incorrectly spelt words trigger moderation too. Typing first in MS Word and spell checking, might avoid this.
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| June 10, 2013, 9:25 am
 Group moderator 
Quoting Yuri Fassio
is there anything we should watch out for?


Sorry, we've had requests to publish the "banned" list before and for obvious reasons that isn't appropriate.

All I will say is that if you are aware a word is commonly used as an insult, it probably will be filtered even if your usage of that word is innocent.

Without seeing what you originally typed I'd be guessing.

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| June 10, 2013, 9:30 am
 Group moderator 
Quoting michael k.
Quoting Yuri Fassio

I didn't see your comment on the approval page (Maybe Achintya Prasad saw it). Are you sure the page isn't timing out? That happens often. When you click continue, does it say in the yellow bar at the top of the screen, "Your comment will be posted shortly, (please do not resubmit it)"?
If you have a long comment to type, I'd just type it somewhere else and paste it into the comment box, or when you finish typing it, copy the whole thing so when it times out and doesn't post, you can just paste it back in.

Michael, could you be a pal and delete duplicate posts please. Just keeps the place tidy.
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| June 10, 2013, 9:31 am
The censor Engine is annoying.. I had to approve a comment just because it had the word h*ate in it. And it was only saying I h*ate tuna. ... . .. That wasn't me that said that, because I like tuna. :P
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| June 10, 2013, 3:56 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
The censor Engine is annoying.. I had to approve a comment just because it had the word h*ate in it. And it was only saying I h*ate tuna. ... . .. That wasn't me that said that, because I like tuna. :P

Yeah. The censor engine is quite picky; probably because of MOCpages' early history (I wasn't on at the time; I was just that anonymous user, and boy was it chaos). I would imagine that many people were offended by the comments (literally all of them were the work of trolls), which resulted in strict moderation. Maybe the censor engine should work based on if we have our "safe browsing" turned on or off; with 'on' being how it is now, and with 'off' being more lenient.
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| June 12, 2013, 12:56 pm
It would be nice for it to say
NOTICE, THIS COMMENT WILL NOT BE LET THROUGH
then the option to go back and edit it
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| June 12, 2013, 1:08 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Freeling ++
The censor Engine is annoying.. I had to approve a comment just because it had the word h*ate in it. And it was only saying I h*ate tuna...


LOL. Yep, welcome to our world (Chris and I). We get a slew of comments to moderate on a daily basis due to negative words used in perfectly acceptable ways - "I h*te to say it, but...," "wow, this MOC looks t*rribly difficult...," and an oldy but a goody, "no off*nse, but..." Can't refer to a certain time machine in Doctor Who, either.

It's nonstop.
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| June 12, 2013, 1:22 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso
Quoting Freeling ++
The censor Engine is annoying.. I had to approve a comment just because it had the word h*ate in it. And it was only saying I h*ate tuna...


LOL. Yep, welcome to our world (Chris and I). We get a slew of comments to moderate on a daily basis due to negative words used in perfectly acceptable ways - "I h*te to say it, but...," "wow, this MOC looks t*rribly difficult...," and an oldy but a goody, "no off*nse, but..." Can't refer to a certain time machine in Doctor Who, either.

It's nonstop.

Maybe the 'pages needs an update ;-).
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| June 12, 2013, 1:36 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso

LOL. Yep, welcome to our world (Chris and I). We get a slew of comments to moderate on a daily basis due to negative words used in perfectly acceptable ways - "I h*te to say it, but...," "wow, this MOC looks t*rribly difficult...," and an oldy but a goody, "no off*nse, but..." Can't refer to a certain time machine in Doctor Who, either.

It's nonstop.

That sounds h*rrible.
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| June 12, 2013, 6:17 pm
Is there a list somewhere of censored word? Yuri could just ctrl-f all of the list on his comment to check it.
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| June 13, 2013, 4:28 pm
Quoting Max W.
Is there a list somewhere of censored word? Yuri could just ctrl-f all of the list on his comment to check it.

I don't think they would release that. I dunno why; maybe because some of the words are inappropriate? For the time being, our comments will have to be types like we are writing the script for a kids show.
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| June 14, 2013, 2:02 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
I don't think they would release that. I dunno why; maybe because some of the words are inappropriate? For the time being, our comments will have to be types like we are writing the script for a kids show.

But why is T:A:R:D:I:S: a bad word?
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| June 14, 2013, 11:32 pm
Quoting Declan Muller
But why is T:A:R:D:I:S: a bad word?

Because the censor machine does not know if you are saying T:A:R:D:I:S or R:E:T:A:R:D:E:D. I read something that you can't say beef j@rky because the censor machine thinks you're saying j@rk.
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| June 14, 2013, 11:43 pm
Quoting BrickCity101 11
Because the censor machine does not know if you are saying T:A:R:D:I:S or R:E:T:A:R:D:E:D. I read something that you can't say beef j@rky because the censor machine thinks you're saying j@rk.

Hmmmm...
Well that s*cks...
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| June 14, 2013, 11:52 pm
And that's pretty useless too. You can write any profanity you want if you really want to. ls it is, al the censor Engine does is getting in the way of legitimate comments.
Remember when you couldn't even say "cockpit"?
A solution could be removing from the list all ordinary words, and leave only profanities.

Not being able to say that I h*te your MOCs doesn't make me h*te them any less after all. (Plus there's a good chance that those who don't like your stuff will just skip it)
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| June 20, 2013, 1:52 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
And that's pretty useless too. You can write any profanity you want if you really want to. ls it is, al the censor Engine does is getting in the way of legitimate comments.
Remember when you couldn't even say "cockpit"?
A solution could be removing from the list all ordinary words, and leave only profanities.

Not being able to say that I h*te your MOCs doesn't make me h*te them any less after all. (Plus there's a good chance that those who don't like your stuff will just skip it)

Most MOCs I don't like I just don't comment on; I feel commenting on a MOC you don't like is basically trolling, so.
These "safety" devices, the ones that keep people in G-rated conversations, is heavily enforced, but the ads aren't. HMMMMM
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| June 20, 2013, 3:03 pm
I just had to approve this comment: "I`d like to see Ethan Mason invited he makes good freddy krueger vignettes." Which was replying to: "List those you want to see invited, or people you may think want to be in this."

Harmless words are censored for no reason, still.
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| July 1, 2013, 1:57 am
Quoting Eric 'Hawk' Mickle
Harmless words are censored for no reason, still.

If the person hasn't posted any MOC's and been approved yet, everything they do goes into moderation. That might be the problem for that person.
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| July 1, 2013, 8:24 am
 Group moderator 
Quoting Eric 'Hawk' Mickle
I just had to approve this comment: "I`d like to see Ethan Mason invited he makes good freddy krueger vignettes." Which was replying to: "List those you want to see invited, or people you may think want to be in this."

Harmless words are censored for no reason, still.



Depends, some people's user name has sometimes triggered moderation. But it seems just as likely it's a new member who is having everything moderated. I see it here all the time, brand new members asking innocent questions that go straight to moderation. Can't be helped as for every new member that is completely innocent, there could be a dozen spambots trying to advertise on the site.

That said, is what you wrote exactly what they wrote, including any spelling errors? I've found a couple of my posts went to moderation because I accidentally misspelled something, especially people's names.


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| July 1, 2013, 8:35 am
This is starting to get really annoying, even more since we're running a contest.
What could have been the problem with this?!
"Well, in all fairness, the theme was "original humanoid character", and this looks more like a creature of some kind. Not that I can make heads or tails out of it, mind you. To me, it's out of theme, so 0 points, sorry."

Is there a way to at least see the flagged words in the preview?
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| July 1, 2013, 12:22 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
This is starting to get really annoying, even more since we're running a contest.
What could have been the problem with this?!
"Well, in all fairness, the theme was "original humanoid character", and this looks more like a creature of some kind. Not that I can make heads or tails out of it, mind you. To me, it's out of theme, so 0 points, sorry."

Is there a way to at least see the flagged words in the preview?

The word "s-rry" shows up a lot when I moderate comments for the Debate club, so.
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| July 1, 2013, 12:26 pm
Let's test this out, then.

Sorry!

Maybe that's not it, I guess.
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| July 1, 2013, 12:27 pm
Quoting [ Chro ]
Let's test this out, then.

Sorry!

Maybe that's not it, I guess.

No, I mean, it depends on what else is said, I guess.
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| July 1, 2013, 12:30 pm
Quoting andros tempest


Depends, some people's user name has sometimes triggered moderation. But it seems just as likely it's a new member who is having everything moderated. I see it here all the time, brand new members asking innocent questions that go straight to moderation. Can't be helped as for every new member that is completely innocent, there could be a dozen spambots trying to advertise on the site.

That said, is what you wrote exactly what they wrote, including any spelling errors? I've found a couple of my posts went to moderation because I accidentally misspelled something, especially people's names.


Copied word for word using CTRL+C then CTRL+V.

It could be that the member is new to the site, but there's also the censoring of words with the double 'r'. Such as terror, horror, etc.
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| July 1, 2013, 5:19 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Yuri Fassio
This is starting to get really annoying, even more since we're running a contest.
What could have been the problem with this?!
"Well, in all fairness, the theme was "original humanoid character", and this looks more like a creature of some kind. Not that I can make heads or tails out of it, mind you. To me, it's out of theme, so 0 points, sorry."

Is there a way to at least see the flagged words in the preview?


If that was a comment being left on a moc and it was scored as a 1 or 0 smiley, then it's automatically sent to moderation. ALL low smiley comments are sent to moderation so we can make sure they're ok.

And Yuri my friend... no matter how many times you ask, we simply cannot let a list of moderated words get out so that people can find ways to insult each other without using them. It's one of the things that helps keep mocpages "family friendly" as much as we can.

~Chris.
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| July 2, 2013, 7:29 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
[...] we simply cannot let a list of moderated words get out so that people can find ways to insult each other without using them. It's one of the things that helps keep mocpages "family friendly" as much as we can.

~Chris.

I was typing an answer to that, but I realized if I did, knowing the internet, I'd multiply your workload.
So, ok, thanks for the info on the rating, I'll drop the matter.
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| July 3, 2013, 4:14 am
 Group moderator 
I was unaware that 1 and 0 votes trigger moderation too. You learn something new everyday.

That said it makes sense, if someone is deliberately victimising someone by sabotaging their votes, then that would be a good way to flag it.




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| July 3, 2013, 6:27 am
Quoting andros tempest
I was unaware that 1 and 0 votes trigger moderation too. You learn something new everyday.

That said it makes sense, if someone is deliberately victimising someone by sabotaging their votes, then that would be a good way to flag it.




Yeah, to prevent spam. You could do that with a 3 rating, or no rating at all, as well.
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| July 3, 2013, 11:54 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

.....It's one of the things that helps keep mocpages "family friendly" as much as we can.

~Chris.

*Ahem*ads*ahem*
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| July 3, 2013, 9:13 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
*Ahem*ads*ahem*

ditto
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| July 3, 2013, 10:22 pm
 Group admin 
Not sure how many times we have to say this over and over and over and over and...

But Sean has NO control over what ads are shown. And if someone is truly offended by a woman in a bikini, then I suggest staying clear of any beaches or pools. (yes I know there's one site that advertises using questionable language however, as said above, Sean has no control over that.)

Now then, can that PLEASE be the last time we have to address the ads with suggestive content.
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| July 4, 2013, 2:12 am
Quoting Chris Phipson
Not sure how many times we have to say this over and over and over and over and...

But Sean has NO control over what ads are shown. And if someone is truly offended by a woman in a bikini, then I suggest staying clear of any beaches or pools. (yes I know there's one site that advertises using questionable language however, as said above, Sean has no control over that.)

Now then, can that PLEASE be the last time we have to address the ads with suggestive content.

Well, Mr. Phipson, I have followed, and tracked, the advancement of ad problems, and, while I recognize that neither you or Mr. Kenney have any control over ads, but sir, its getting out of control. These ads are getting more and more, uhm, skimpy. And the language is getting more and more suggestive. Now, yes, I know my "web queries" direct what ads I get; but honestly, those ads have nothing to do with "CVN-80 Mast" or "Top Gear Season 20". Like I said, I understand that you all seem to not have control over ads, but if you want to keep this site "family friendly", it might be in the best interest for some control to be brought into attention.
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| July 4, 2013, 10:43 am
 Group moderator 
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Well, Mr. Phipson, I have followed, and tracked, the advancement of ad problems, and, while I recognize that neither you or Mr. Kenney have any control over ads, but sir, its getting out of control. These ads are getting more and more, uhm, skimpy. And the language is getting more and more suggestive. Now, yes, I know my "web queries" direct what ads I get; but honestly, those ads have nothing to do with "CVN-80 Mast" or "Top Gear Season 20". Like I said, I understand that you all seem to not have control over ads, but if you want to keep this site "family friendly", it might be in the best interest for some control to be brought into attention.

I take it subtle hints to change the subject are lost on you.

As for your searches having nothing to do with scantily clad women, I beg to differ. Top Gear is aimed at guys who are represented by the hosts, are you seriously telling me Jeremy Clarkson would have problems with ads featuring bikini clad women?

I think you're kind of over egging the pudding regarding these ads. If they offend you that much just get an ad blocker.
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| July 4, 2013, 3:56 pm
Quoting andros tempest
I take it subtle hints to change the subject are lost on you.

As for your searches having nothing to do with scantily clad women, I beg to differ. Top Gear is aimed at guys who are represented by the hosts, are you seriously telling me Jeremy Clarkson would have problems with ads featuring bikini clad women?

I think you're kind of over egging the pudding regarding these ads. If they offend you that much just get an ad blocker.

Firstly, I was responding to a comment. If its off topic, well, I am sorry. Next, web searches of mine are not THAT in depth; Jeremy is acting on TV. Finally, really? Its kinda hard to believe that you, Andros, of all people, would suggest an Ad Blocker. THAT is road we have taken many times.
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| July 4, 2013, 3:58 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Firstly, I was responding to a comment. If its off topic, well, I am sorry. Next, web searches of mine are not THAT in depth; Jeremy is acting on TV. Finally, really? Its kinda hard to believe that you, Andros, of all people, would suggest an Ad Blocker. THAT is road we have taken many times.


I typed out a 500 word or so essay raging at your utter inability to understand how google's ads work.

I decided that I'd rather not escalate this little skirmish further, and I've decided to sum it up as follows:


You have 4 options.
1) use an adblocker

2) grin and bear it/bite the pillow and take the ads, whatever suits your fancy.

3) put tape over the ad spaces so your special eyes don't see them because of how utterly offensive a woman in a bikini is

4) leave MOCpages.

You seem to be the only person that I've noticed that hasn't picked up on this yet, so I'll reiterate.

THE ADMINS CANNOT CONTROL THE ADS.

what possible benefit would they get for having woman-in-a-bikini ads? if someone complains, they simply take it down and that's that. However, they don't have control. If they did, it'd be an easy process to take down, and I'm sure they'd do it if it offends you. There's no monetary gain for the site if you have one ad phased out and the rest shown slightly more often.

Please take these words to heart and stop complaining about ads. They can't change them, and for somebody so adamantly opposed to using an adblocker to avoid damaging the site's potential revenue, I'm sure you'd hate to have them taken down altogether.
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| July 4, 2013, 5:01 pm
Quoting Max W.

I typed out a 500 word or so essay raging at your utter inability to understand how google's ads work.

I decided that I'd rather not escalate this little skirmish further, and I've decided to sum it up as follows:


You have 4 options.
1) use an adblocker

2) grin and bear it/bite the pillow and take the ads, whatever suits your fancy.

3) put tape over the ad spaces so your special eyes don't see them because of how utterly offensive a woman in a bikini is

4) leave MOCpages.

You seem to be the only person that I've noticed that hasn't picked up on this yet, so I'll reiterate.

THE ADMINS CANNOT CONTROL THE ADS.

what possible benefit would they get for having woman-in-a-bikini ads? if someone complains, they simply take it down and that's that. However, they don't have control. If they did, it'd be an easy process to take down, and I'm sure they'd do it if it offends you. There's no monetary gain for the site if you have one ad phased out and the rest shown slightly more often.

Please take these words to heart and stop complaining about ads. They can't change them, and for somebody so adamantly opposed to using an adblocker to avoid damaging the site's potential revenue, I'm sure you'd hate to have them taken down altogether.

...responded to that; and then went to moderation.
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| July 4, 2013, 7:47 pm
 Group moderator 
Quoting Achintya Prasad
...responded to that; and then went to moderation.


Achintya, your comment was not approved, not because you used any moderated words, but because your tone was becoming increasingly confrontational.

Might I suggest taking a break from this conversation and come back later with a clear head.


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| July 5, 2013, 3:34 am
Quoting andros tempest

Achintya, your comment was not approved, not because you used any moderated words, but because your tone was becoming increasingly confrontational.

Might I suggest taking a break from this conversation and come back later with a clear head.


I am sorry, but I stick with what I said, despite the tone that you have interpreted. I stand by what I said, and I feel that you all are underestimating my ability to comprehend things.

But, you know, I see no more reason to voice my opinion on this issue. It is clear that nothing will be done, which is quite sad, in my opinion.

Thank you and good bye.
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| July 5, 2013, 10:48 am
 Group moderator 
Quoting Achintya Prasad
I am sorry, but I stick with what I said, despite the tone that you have interpreted. I stand by what I said, and I feel that you all are underestimating my ability to comprehend things.

But, you know, I see no more reason to voice my opinion on this issue. It is clear that nothing will be done, which is quite sad, in my opinion.

Thank you and good bye.


I apologise if you feel you have been offended. My intention by deleting your previous comment was to prevent what I thought was a fight brewing. Beyond that the matter is moot. Nothing can be done about the ads and as you well know this was not the topic to raise the issue.

Now if Chris or Mark could lock this topic I'd be very grateful.
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| July 5, 2013, 11:08 am
Quoting andros tempest

I apologise if you feel you have been offended. My intention by deleting your previous comment was to prevent what I thought was a fight brewing. Beyond that the matter is moot. Nothing can be done about the ads and as you well know this was not the topic to raise the issue.

Now if Chris or Mark could lock this topic I'd be very grateful.

No, thank you. I also apologize to Mr. Phipson, and Max W.; if you feel I was being overly critical, or being rude, I do apologize for that. I realized that Admins and Mods have no control over ads, I was simply saying if they did, it would be great. However, once again, my point may have come out strong, and for that, I do apologize to those offended, thank you.
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| July 5, 2013, 11:13 am
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