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Another low priority glitch, which I'm only mentioning because it's interesting, not because it's a danger of any sort.

I often embed YouTube videos on my pages to provide music to complement a MOC. A few times, however, I've noticed that when I go to the page, this happens...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5503/10583107115_64dcc260c9_o.jpg

As you can see at the bottom on the image, I have embedded the OST "Allen Walker" from D Gray Man. This embedded video has somehow also taken the place of the advertisement that normally appears on the top of the page! Kind of funny loading error, I suppose.

(This is the third time I have seen this glitch, though only the first time I have screencapped it.)

Again, low priority. I don't actually need this to be fixed, just decided to mention it.
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| October 30, 2013, 8:19 pm
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Quoting [ Chro ]
Another low priority glitch, which I'm only mentioning because it's interesting, not because it's a danger of any sort.

I often embed YouTube videos on my pages to provide music to complement a MOC. A few times, however, I've noticed that when I go to the page, this happens...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5503/10583107115_64dcc260c9_o.jpg

As you can see at the bottom on the image, I have embedded the OST "Allen Walker" from D Gray Man. This embedded video has somehow also taken the place of the advertisement that normally appears on the top of the page! Kind of funny loading error, I suppose.

(This is the third time I have seen this glitch, though only the first time I have screencapped it.)

Again, low priority. I don't actually need this to be fixed, just decided to mention it.



You are aware that the rule was YT videos should only be added if they are LEGO centric. While I've yet to see someone banned for adding music videos they are technically against the spirit of the rules.

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| October 31, 2013, 4:55 am
Quoting andros tempest You are aware that the rule was YT videos should only be added if they are LEGO centric. While I've yet to see someone banned for adding music videos they are technically against the spirit of the rules.
I actually had no idea that such a thing was not allowed. <:/

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| October 31, 2013, 12:01 pm
Quoting [ Chro ]
Quoting andros tempest You are aware that the rule was YT videos should only be added if they are LEGO centric. While I've yet to see someone banned for adding music videos they are technically against the spirit of the rules.
I actually had no idea that such a thing was not allowed. <:/

I think that is more of Andros' opinion more than anything else. Anytime I post a review, it goes at the bottom of my pages, but if I really wanted music, I'd still add it. Your taste in music is really good anyway, I never have a problem with it. BTW, what a funny glitch.
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| October 31, 2013, 8:13 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !
I think that is more of Andros' opinion more than anything else.

Yeah, thanks. Just to be safe, though, I don't think I'll embed any music until I find out definitively what the rule is about that, since I don't recall having seen it anywhere in the MOCpages rules (although I could have missed it).
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| October 31, 2013, 9:47 pm
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It's been so long now that I'm having trouble remembering the details. But, I can share a bit of the history of this topic which might provide a little insight...

Years ago several of us, myself included, discovered we could add music to our pages to enhance the presentation. Members quickly started including music with unacceptable content and language (go figure). As a result, Sean put the kibosh on it, pronto.

I don't know...in fact, I don't THINK... that he's ever added a specific rule stating no music. To be honest, I've not looked for it, so I can't speak with any real certainty.

Nevertheless, it's just been one of those things that everyone seems to learn through word of mouth within the MOCpages community. Every now and then a page will pop up with some music, and as long as it's not offensive and doesn't cause any functional problems, we'll usually let it stay. But, if a member has any trouble doing the embedding, we'll also tend not to offer aid, as the whole music-thing is somewhat frowned upon in general. I know it's a bit odd, the whole arrangement. But, the process of getting to where things are now has been an evolution, and sometimes evolution creates bizarre outcomes. :)

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| November 1, 2013, 8:37 am
Alright, thanks, Mark, for the clarification. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
(I do know how to embed music, therefore won't ask for help on it, and I won't embed any music with objectionable content.)
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| November 1, 2013, 8:41 am
Quoting [ Chro ]
Alright, thanks, Mark, for the clarification. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
(I do know how to embed music, therefore won't ask for help on it, and I won't embed any music with objectionable content.)

It used to be able to be done, even before I was here, it was probably around 2005 or earlier, or at least when the site really got popular. Anyway, it would be one of those things that was in the page itself and play automatically. YouTube videos have now just been the only way to get the music anymore, and that's why everyone hates it when someone allows the videos to automatically play.
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| November 1, 2013, 9:00 am
Yeah, I'm not one for autoplay (cough Pat Smajdor cough)... :P
Anyway, I guess that the initial purpose of this topic has become irrelevant.
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| November 1, 2013, 9:19 am
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Quoting Mark Kelso
It's been so long now that I'm having trouble remembering the details. But, I can share a bit of the history of this topic which might provide a little insight...

Years ago several of us, myself included, discovered we could add music to our pages to enhance the presentation. Members quickly started including music with unacceptable content and language (go figure). As a result, Sean put the kibosh on it, pronto.

I don't know...in fact, I don't THINK... that he's ever added a specific rule stating no music. To be honest, I've not looked for it, so I can't speak with any real certainty.

Nevertheless, it's just been one of those things that everyone seems to learn through word of mouth within the MOCpages community. Every now and then a page will pop up with some music, and as long as it's not offensive and doesn't cause any functional problems, we'll usually let it stay. But, if a member has any trouble doing the embedding, we'll also tend not to offer aid, as the whole music-thing is somewhat frowned upon in general. I know it's a bit odd, the whole arrangement. But, the process of getting to where things are now has been an evolution, and sometimes evolution creates bizarre outcomes. :)

http://www.mocpages.com/help/blog/2008/07/those-new-fangled-moving-pictures.html

<<<<quoting Sean "And remember, MOCpages is for showcasing your LEGO creations -- only. Pages that have videos of other things will be entirely deleted. (And your account could be deleted too!)"

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| November 3, 2013, 1:09 pm
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Quoting andros tempest
http://www.mocpages.com/help/blog/2008/07/those-new-fangled-moving-pictures.html

<<<<quoting Sean "And remember, MOCpages is for showcasing your LEGO creations -- only. Pages that have videos of other things will be entirely deleted. (And your account could be deleted too!)"


Yep, as far as I can recall that's about as close as we've come to a rule regarding music.

I'd say the safest thing for a builder to do would be to skip posting pics and trying to embed music. But rather make a video of your Lego creation WITH music (and sound effects, commentary, etc., if desired) and then post a page with your video of the creation here on MOCpages. Remember, videos of Lego related subjects ARE allowed. They could be anything from fan events, to stop-motion animation, to what we're talking about here.

That way, a builder can customize their presentation to the highest degree while still abiding by Sean's rules. If you do this, however, please keep in mind that the issue of acceptable content still applies, and any videos that include bad language, illicit content, and so on, will still be subject to moderation.

...and what's with the large fonts?

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| November 4, 2013, 6:08 am
Quoting Mark Kelso

Yep, as far as I can recall that's about as close as we've come to a rule regarding music.

I'd say the safest thing for a builder to do would be to skip posting pics and trying to embed music. But rather make a video of your Lego creation WITH music (and sound effects, commentary, etc., if desired) and then post a page with your video of the creation here on MOCpages. Remember, videos of Lego related subjects ARE allowed. They could be anything from fan events, to stop-motion animation, to what we're talking about here.

That way, a builder can customize their presentation to the highest degree while still abiding by Sean's rules. If you do this, however, please keep in mind that the issue of acceptable content still applies, and any videos that include bad language, illicit content, and so on, will still be subject to moderation.

...and what's with the large fonts?

Have you not heard about the 4 of these > will make the font go crazy? Because of Andros' failed attempt to get the
Quoting Box
to be correct, it messed with your comment when the extra quoting HTML was added. Just look back over the comment in editting form and find the area that needs to be fixed and all will be well.

Big letters are fun, but they mess everything up when people reply.
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| November 4, 2013, 7:25 am
Quoting Mark Kelso
...and what's with the large fonts?

Those come from extra < and >'s in comments you reply to.
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| November 4, 2013, 7:27 am
Quoting Mark Kelso
Yep, as far as I can recall that's about as close as we've come to a rule regarding music.

Sounds more like a ban on legoless posts, to me.
Quoting Mark Kelso
...and what's with the large fonts?

If you're missing bits of quote code, the post can get odd.
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| November 4, 2013, 8:13 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
If you're missing bits of quote code, the post can get odd.


Gotcha, thanks.

And, yeah...that statement of Sean's was mainly directed towards non-Lego content in general.

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| November 4, 2013, 9:36 am
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Quoting MCLegoboy !
...Just look back over the comment in editting form and find the area that needs to be fixed and all will be well.


Quoting Michael K.
Those come from extra < and >'s in comments you reply to.


Thanks, amigos!
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| November 4, 2013, 9:38 am
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Large font? Oh that was you not picking up my full quote and me not using the quote HTML correctly in the first place.

The idea of making a Youtube video to replace the photos is a good one and you can add as background any music you want. I know builders like Chris Roach already do this.

As for the comments above, No it is not JUST my personal objections to music. As I pointed out in the link above, off topic images and movies were originally banned outright, and while exceptions have crept in, I prefer this zero tolerance stance, it makes things simpler.
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| November 4, 2013, 11:30 am
Quoting andros tempest
No it is not JUST my personal objections
Quoting andros tempest I prefer this zero tolerance stance
Hmm.

I personally find videos to be a poor format for showcasing a MOC. It's quite inconvenient to pause a video every time you want to see a specific picture for a longer amount of time, rather than just looking at whichever picture you'd like for however long you please.
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| November 4, 2013, 8:56 pm
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Quoting [ Chro ]
Quoting andros tempest
No it is not JUST my personal objections
Quoting andros tempest I prefer this zero tolerance stance
Hmm.

I personally find videos to be a poor format for showcasing a MOC. It's quite inconvenient to pause a video every time you want to see a specific picture for a longer amount of time, rather than just looking at whichever picture you'd like for however long you please.


The two quotes you took refer to the use of non-lego related videos, nothing to do with replacing still images with video.

If you intend to "object" to my view point, at least quote the right parts.

To clarify:

Sean asked that only Lego related images and videos be used. While Lego related videos featuring music of your choice has been suggested as an alternative to a random music video being played to promote your photographs. Mark suggested replacing photos for videos, but I see no reason to not have BOTH.

So to sum up:

Music videos and embedded music on a loop - bad.

Video of Lego mocs with or without music in the background, with or without additional photos - good.


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| November 5, 2013, 5:33 am
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Yeah, I like the idea of both, personally.

I don't have a video camera yet...YET (high on priority list this fall after a conversation with Phippy)...but I would think having a video first and then several stills - particularly close up shots - would be a great way to present a creation.

Just as a couple examples...

For one of my SHIPs, I could create a much better sense of the scale and form with a video that might run the length of the ship or move around it. While stills would allow the viewer to see clear details.

In a story telling MOC, I could use the video to illustrate the story, with dialog, music, etc., for heightened mood and impact. While the stills would help people to see behind the scenes and appreciate the process of creating and presenting the story.

Good conversation here, gang...I really do need to pick up a video camera one of these days and try adding that to some of my posts. (Assuming I can ever get my sorry butt back to building and posting regularly again!)

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| November 5, 2013, 6:01 am
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Quoting Mark Kelso
I don't have a video camera yet...YET (high on priority list this fall after a conversation with Phippy)...


I'm evil for making you spend money... but you know my idea was gold. ;)
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| November 5, 2013, 11:14 pm
Quoting andros tempest
So to sum up:

Music videos and embedded music on a loop - bad.

Video of Lego mocs with or without music in the background, with or without additional photos - good.

So what's wrong with still pictures and a button at the top of the page for the soundtrack?
Best of both worlds, to me - the video doesn't have to be HD to show details, the reader doesn't have to run it if they don't want; saves time, annoyance and bandwidth.
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| November 6, 2013, 2:30 am
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Quoting Chris Phipson

I'm evil for making you spend money... but you know my idea was gold. ;)


You're evil for evil for all kinds of things! But, yeah. Like so many of your evil ideas - pure gold.

In an effort to negate the money issue (and benefit at someone else's expense) it's at the top of the Christmas wish list. ;)

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| November 6, 2013, 3:57 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
So what's wrong with still pictures and a button at the top of the page for the soundtrack?
Best of both worlds, to me - the video doesn't have to be HD to show details, the reader doesn't have to run it if they don't want; saves time, annoyance and bandwidth.


Nothings wrong with it.
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| November 6, 2013, 10:26 am
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