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What is a hardsuit? I was looking through the stuff people have posted and I see a lot of stuff that you have no way of telling it's a hardsuit. Like this http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/84408 I have nothing against Phong, his stuff is great but what makes that a hardsuit? its based on Armored Core and it's supposed to have a person on the inside but even so how does that make it a hardsuit? If that were the case then half the mechs on mocpages would count for this site. What actually makes a hardsuit? I heard it discribed as "an extention of the body" so do you have to be able to see the pilot? I think we should fix the guidlines a bit.

My thought is that you should be able to see the pilots head/helmet or actually have a person on the inside and maybe a size limit.

Your thoughts?
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| March 20, 2009, 7:22 pm
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yeah, armored core isn't hardsuit, its mecha. and when i make a hardsuit, i try to make the pilots head poke out the top.
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| March 20, 2009, 9:46 pm
 Group admin 
*sigh* alright guys, here we go again.... here's my semi-official description of a hardsuit:

a "hardsuit" is exactly what it sounds like, a suit that's hard. You can use them as weapons like Samus or Master Chief, do heavy lifting as in Ripley's load lifter, or wear them to cocktail parties ... or so I'm told ;)

hope this clears thing up, if you have any further questions, consult any conversation with the words "Hardsuit check" in it, or the "Questions with disputable answers" section of your MOCpages hand-book.

hope that helped,
-M.K.
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| March 22, 2009, 9:16 pm
Alright so what your saying is that there's no size limits to hardsuits, the only limitation is that it's suposed to or does hold a minifig?
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| March 22, 2009, 9:31 pm
 Group admin 
um... no.

okay, one last time... today as a slight homage to Isaac Asimov, I have created " M.K.'s Three Rules of Hardsuit"

1. A hardsuit is a suit, a mech is a vehicle

2. A hardsuit is powered by muscle, a mech is powered by motors

3. A hardsuit is worn, a mech is piloted

hope that clears things up a bit.

Pete, you have any insight here?

-M.K.
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| March 23, 2009, 11:59 am
heres my opinion...

1- MUST HAVE A PERSON INSIDE!
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2-You have to see his helmet... like in THIS moc i made : http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/99597

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3- it MUST look like (what Matt S said) an extension of the body... but what does that mean? it means... its not like a transformer... its more like armor. so its not SUPER BIG... like 2-5 inches isthe limit (my opinion)

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| March 23, 2009, 1:16 pm
Quoting Metroid Killer
um... no.

okay, one last time... today as a slight homage to Isaac Asimov, I have created " M.K.'s Three Rules of Hardsuit"

1. A hardsuit is a suit, a mech is a vehicle

2. A hardsuit is powered by muscle, a mech is powered by motors

3. A hardsuit is worn, a mech is piloted

hope that clears things up a bit.

Pete, you have any insight here?

-M.K.


totaly right

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| March 23, 2009, 1:18 pm
OK, I understand. I guess the root of my idea was that the pool needs a clean up. You know delete the stuff that just doesn't fit in the hardsuit catagory. If none of the mods/admins want to do it I'd be willing.
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| March 23, 2009, 5:11 pm
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Hardsuits are worn, not ridden in.
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| March 23, 2009, 7:43 pm
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i don't like those measurements very much, some of my AT hardsuits are in the range of 8-9 inches. and when i think hardsuit, i think muscles assisted by motors or some kind of pneumatic or hydraulic system. i also kind of think G-gundam would be a hardsuit-mecha hybrid(if you haven't seen the show, the gundams are huge, but a person controls it by performing the actions within the gundam,i.e you punch, the suit punches also.)just putting some thoughts out there.
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| March 23, 2009, 9:38 pm
 Group admin 
aaaaah! knoll! why did you go there? my brain is melting away.....

okay, not actually mad at you, just a little upset that I have to think more.....

I think my rules actually still apply, especially two.

but here's how it should really work:
if rule 3 is clearly met, it is a hardsuit.
if not, or if uncertain, move on to rule 2
if rule 2 is clearly met, it is a hardsuit.
if not, or if uncertain, move on to rule 1
if rule 1 is clearly met, it is a hardsuit.
if not, it is not a hardsuit.

sound good? You really shouldn't ever be "unclear" by the time you get to rule one.

be sure to check out the "Group Vote" topic guys!!!!!

-M.K.
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| March 23, 2009, 11:09 pm
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okay, sorry about the G-Gundam thing. i always bring that up because it seems to be the one thing not bound by the mech-hardsuit rules.
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| March 24, 2009, 10:02 am
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Sounds good. We all have different tastes. As long as we agree it fits, then it fits.
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| March 24, 2009, 2:18 pm
Quoting Pete Corp
Sounds good. We all have different tastes. As long as we agree it fits, then it fits.

ya
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| March 30, 2009, 8:46 am
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okey dokey then!
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| March 30, 2009, 10:12 am
Here is my definition: a hardsuit is a powered exoskeleton, protected with armour plating and armed for warfare. As such, the pilot controls it like his own body, unlike a mecha in which he sits in it and has various controls.
A hardsuit may or may not be controled with levers and switches, direct mind-link, as a totally automated robot or as an augumented suit of combat armour.
All told, they are usually smaller than a two storey building, although the largest may approach that size.
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| April 4, 2009, 12:04 am
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yeah, i would agree with that measurment. i have some hardsuits that are as tall as 8 inches comapared to a minifig. i would say thats 18-20 feet tall in real life.
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| April 6, 2009, 10:27 am
 Group admin 
Hi Areetsa C,
We try to keep one pic per moc in our group. The two Samus suits you made look similar enough. Would you like me to take out the first one? Others can link to your old one by going through your new picture.
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| April 6, 2009, 1:28 pm
Whoops, forgot about that one... you're welcome to get rid of the old one if you want.
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| April 6, 2009, 5:29 pm
So it doesn't matter if there's a minifig in it or not?
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| April 6, 2009, 6:11 pm
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almost all of my harsuits either have a minifig to represent a full body, or have a full minifig inside.
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| April 6, 2009, 9:39 pm
 Group admin 
Yes Matt, you could use a head to represent a whole minifig. As long as the creation resembles a suit it's all good.
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| April 6, 2009, 9:59 pm
I find that when you're building a hardsuit you tend to build the moc around the minifig. whereas if you're building a mech you build the thing and try and find a space to fit the minifig(they're alot bigger than you think).
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| April 7, 2009, 3:10 am
In my experience, a 4x4 stud square space is all you need to fit a sitting minifig.
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| April 7, 2009, 3:15 am
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i just use the minifig, because the arms can be an issue if you don't build to accomodate them. 3 of my ATs use minifig heads, 4 of them use helmets to represent minifig heads(larger for space travel) and only one of them uses an entire minifig.
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| April 7, 2009, 10:20 am
hi guys,
I am new here. Just want to say I agree an hardsuit = some kind of suit that used to be protecting the pilot inside.

Other than that would seem to be a mecha.

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| April 30, 2009, 2:09 am
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i cheat and use loopholes to make exceptionally large and mechs/ish hardsuits.
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| April 30, 2009, 8:57 am
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oops, i just realized the MOC i posted in here, was a chicken walker mech, not a hardsuit.
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| April 30, 2009, 8:59 am
 Group admin 
I've got an itch...
to build something Lego- no I don't need antibiotics.
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| May 3, 2009, 12:20 am
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Quoting Pete Corp
I've got an itch...
to build something Lego- no I don't need antibiotics.

Than scratch it, by building.
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| May 4, 2009, 1:40 am
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ewwww....
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| May 4, 2009, 10:24 am
O.K. I know that this is the 30th time we're all saying the same thing to you, but I don't care. A hardsuit is an armour that covers your whole body (sometimes not the head), and is not powered by motors. Basically, it's an armor. You should see Master Chief's (HALO) picture on google and you'll have a good idea of what it is. To have a great idea of what it is, you can go see a MOC called Armored Paratrooper (by Krypton Heidt) or European Union Premium Soldier (made by me) :).
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| May 4, 2009, 11:03 am
Ok. I think a hardsuit is a bipedal suit that a wearer fits in. The hardsuit can either esentialy be armor or very heavy armor powered by servomotors. and I think in ordet to be counted as a hardsuit you should be able to tell theres a human in it someway. like seing the pilot, or taking the helmet of in a pic.
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| May 7, 2009, 4:47 pm
Personally, I'd like to see some more hardsuits that fit a whole minifig(and not just the head).
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| May 9, 2009, 3:27 pm
Quoting Calvin .
Personally, I'd like to see some more hardsuits that fit a whole minifig(and not just the head).


Agreed. Hardsuits should essentially be the opposite: Fit the whole fig and possibly the opposite. However, a hardsuit doesn't have to fit a whole fig, and could have just the head and nothing else, or even just a minifig sized suit with no minifig at all.
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| May 10, 2009, 4:14 pm
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Quoting Professor Scientifik
O.K. I know that this is the 30th time we're all saying the same thing to you, but I don't care. A hardsuit is an armour that covers your whole body (sometimes not the head), and is not powered by motors. Basically, it's an armor. You should see Master Chief's (HALO) picture on google and you'll have a good idea of what it is. To have a great idea of what it is, you can go see a MOC called Armored Paratrooper (by Krypton Heidt) or European Union Premium Soldier (made by me) :).

a hardsuit could be powered by motors. i could bring up the scourge of the hardsuit/mecha argument, MT will remember this one because it is the one undeniable loophole, G-Gundam.
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| May 10, 2009, 6:59 pm
Jeeez. Somebody coined the term, so what is the actual definition?
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| May 10, 2009, 8:39 pm
Gundams are not hardsuits, doesnt matter how they are controlled. G-Gundams are not hardsuits, they are Gundams first and formost, and all Gundams are Mechs.

A Hardsuit is a human sized exo-armor, it can be powered, but the main thing is that its human sized. A hardsuit would never be more than 10 feet tall at its maximum.
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| May 15, 2012, 5:10 pm
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