What is a hardsuit? I was looking through the stuff people have posted and I see a lot of stuff that you have no way of telling it's a hardsuit. Like this http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/84408 I have nothing against Phong, his stuff is great but what makes that a hardsuit? its based on Armored Core and it's supposed to have a person on the inside but even so how does that make it a hardsuit? If that were the case then half the mechs on mocpages would count for this site. What actually makes a hardsuit? I heard it discribed as "an extention of the body" so do you have to be able to see the pilot? I think we should fix the guidlines a bit.
My thought is that you should be able to see the pilots head/helmet or actually have a person on the inside and maybe a size limit.
*sigh* alright guys, here we go again.... here's my semi-official description of a hardsuit:
a "hardsuit" is exactly what it sounds like, a suit that's hard. You can use them as weapons like Samus or Master Chief, do heavy lifting as in Ripley's load lifter, or wear them to cocktail parties ... or so I'm told ;)
hope this clears thing up, if you have any further questions, consult any conversation with the words "Hardsuit check" in it, or the "Questions with disputable answers" section of your MOCpages hand-book.
3- it MUST look like (what Matt S said) an extension of the body... but what does that mean? it means... its not like a transformer... its more like armor. so its not SUPER BIG... like 2-5 inches isthe limit (my opinion)
OK, I understand. I guess the root of my idea was that the pool needs a clean up. You know delete the stuff that just doesn't fit in the hardsuit catagory. If none of the mods/admins want to do it I'd be willing. Permalink
i don't like those measurements very much, some of my AT hardsuits are in the range of 8-9 inches. and when i think hardsuit, i think muscles assisted by motors or some kind of pneumatic or hydraulic system. i also kind of think G-gundam would be a hardsuit-mecha hybrid(if you haven't seen the show, the gundams are huge, but a person controls it by performing the actions within the gundam,i.e you punch, the suit punches also.)just putting some thoughts out there. Permalink
aaaaah! knoll! why did you go there? my brain is melting away.....
okay, not actually mad at you, just a little upset that I have to think more.....
I think my rules actually still apply, especially two.
but here's how it should really work:
if rule 3 is clearly met, it is a hardsuit.
if not, or if uncertain, move on to rule 2
if rule 2 is clearly met, it is a hardsuit.
if not, or if uncertain, move on to rule 1
if rule 1 is clearly met, it is a hardsuit.
if not, it is not a hardsuit.
sound good? You really shouldn't ever be "unclear" by the time you get to rule one.
be sure to check out the "Group Vote" topic guys!!!!!
Here is my definition: a hardsuit is a powered exoskeleton, protected with armour plating and armed for warfare. As such, the pilot controls it like his own body, unlike a mecha in which he sits in it and has various controls.
A hardsuit may or may not be controled with levers and switches, direct mind-link, as a totally automated robot or as an augumented suit of combat armour.
All told, they are usually smaller than a two storey building, although the largest may approach that size. Permalink
Hi Areetsa C,
We try to keep one pic per moc in our group. The two Samus suits you made look similar enough. Would you like me to take out the first one? Others can link to your old one by going through your new picture. Permalink
I find that when you're building a hardsuit you tend to build the moc around the minifig. whereas if you're building a mech you build the thing and try and find a space to fit the minifig(they're alot bigger than you think). Permalink
i just use the minifig, because the arms can be an issue if you don't build to accomodate them. 3 of my ATs use minifig heads, 4 of them use helmets to represent minifig heads(larger for space travel) and only one of them uses an entire minifig. Permalink
O.K. I know that this is the 30th time we're all saying the same thing to you, but I don't care. A hardsuit is an armour that covers your whole body (sometimes not the head), and is not powered by motors. Basically, it's an armor. You should see Master Chief's (HALO) picture on google and you'll have a good idea of what it is. To have a great idea of what it is, you can go see a MOC called Armored Paratrooper (by Krypton Heidt) or European Union Premium Soldier (made by me) :). Permalink
Ok. I think a hardsuit is a bipedal suit that a wearer fits in. The hardsuit can either esentialy be armor or very heavy armor powered by servomotors. and I think in ordet to be counted as a hardsuit you should be able to tell theres a human in it someway. like seing the pilot, or taking the helmet of in a pic. Permalink
Quoting Calvin .
Personally, I'd like to see some more hardsuits that fit a whole minifig(and not just the head).
Agreed. Hardsuits should essentially be the opposite: Fit the whole fig and possibly the opposite. However, a hardsuit doesn't have to fit a whole fig, and could have just the head and nothing else, or even just a minifig sized suit with no minifig at all. Permalink
Quoting Professor Scientifik
O.K. I know that this is the 30th time we're all saying the same thing to you, but I don't care. A hardsuit is an armour that covers your whole body (sometimes not the head), and is not powered by motors. Basically, it's an armor. You should see Master Chief's (HALO) picture on google and you'll have a good idea of what it is. To have a great idea of what it is, you can go see a MOC called Armored Paratrooper (by Krypton Heidt) or European Union Premium Soldier (made by me) :).
a hardsuit could be powered by motors. i could bring up the scourge of the hardsuit/mecha argument, MT will remember this one because it is the one undeniable loophole, G-Gundam. Permalink