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Yeah, I know stealth in space is impossible, Awesome.

But can ships in COP Warpspace be detected?
And what about Tachyon Bubbles?
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| November 15, 2010, 5:25 pm
If COP ships enter another dimension, then that means they can't be detected until they come out, right?

Now, Tachyon Bubbles... Perhaps the question is,"Do Tachyons emit heat or light?" You're still in the same dimension, but going at those speeds, could you be detected?
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| November 15, 2010, 5:31 pm
Quoting Alori Zriešto . So, the emmisions will give a false location, as the vessel is not there anymore.
Ah, now thats interesting. Never would have considered that.
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| November 15, 2010, 5:35 pm
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Quoting Matt The Backward One
Yeah, I know stealth in space is impossible, Awesome.

But can ships in COP Warpspace be detected?
And what about Tachyon Bubbles?

Please take this conversation to the Science Education Topic I, or the Official Questions Board I.

Awe, I think we should start something where we give someone 3 chances to make a random topic or something that should go in the Science topic or Questions topic. When someone does this for the first time they get a warning, if they do it again they get kicked, and if they do it again they get permanently banned :P
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| November 15, 2010, 5:37 pm
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Oh and tachyon bubbles are used by the UNE, not the COP, so this technically is off topic :P
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| November 15, 2010, 5:39 pm
Quoting danny morgan Please take this conversation to the Science Education Topic I, or the Official Questions Board I.
Never new there was one. You see, if you guys had links to these things on the homepage then it would be easier to find them.
Quoting danny I think we should start something where we give someone 3 chances to make a random topic or something that should go in the Science topic or Questions topic.
Steel Curtain! xP
Quoting danny Tachyon bubbles are used by the UNE, so this is off topic :P
Meh, didn't feel like making two topics about the same thing. ...But if its both UNE and COP, I've always considered it legit.

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| November 15, 2010, 5:48 pm
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Quoting Matt The Backward One
Quoting danny morgan Please take this conversation to the Science Education Topic I, or the Official Questions Board I.
Never new there was one. You see, if you guys had links to these things on the homepage then it would be easier to find them.


Well now you know :P

Quoting Matt The Backward One Meh, didn't feel like making two topics about the same thing. ...But if its both UNE and COP, I've always considered it legit.

Well you would have been better off taking this to the UNE :P
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| November 15, 2010, 5:56 pm
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He had a valid question on Warpspace, so I'll let this pass as a warning. I think we've got a new rule...

Anyways, ships in Warpspace are very hard to detect, if not impossible. The great majority of ships are as blind to real space as ships in real space are blind to Warpspace. However, the aptly-named Warpships can sustain very small tears with which they can poke electronics through into real space.

Now, if you're at the precise angle, you might be able to get a tiny heat reading for a fraction of a second, but that's a lot of variables involved. Warpship captains know to always keep moving while taking a look at what's in real space. Then, if someone does detect them, they'll emerge for the attack at a different location. Sneaky sneaky.
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| November 15, 2010, 6:56 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus If someone does detect them, they'll emerge for the attack at a different location. Sneaky sneaky.
Coolio. Now about the Tachyon Bubble, is Alori's comment good enough, or would you like to add to it?

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| November 15, 2010, 7:02 pm
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Quoting Matt The Backward One
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus If someone does detect them, they'll emerge for the attack at a different location. Sneaky sneaky.
Coolio. Now about the Tachyon Bubble, is Alori's comment good enough, or would you like to add to it?


Alori's comment is enough.
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| November 15, 2010, 7:04 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus Warpships can sustain very small tears with which they can poke electronics through into real space.
So no one should get upset if I made something similar with UNE Ships and Tachyon Bubbles, right? I'm asking so that way I won't get possible negative comments in the future.
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| November 15, 2010, 7:19 pm
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Quoting Matt The Backward One
So no one should get upset if I made something similar with UNE Ships and Tachyon Bubbles, right? I'm asking so that way I won't get possible negative comments in the future.


I wouldn't know, Tachyon Bubbles are a mystery to me. Warpspace, in the past year, has come to have clear rules and limits. This Bubble stuff is new.
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| November 15, 2010, 7:34 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus This Bubble stuff is new.
Then this is a great time to explain them! *Evil laugh*

You know the UNE's EMC generators? Lets use those to create Tachyons around the ship like a bubble.
It would have to be a pretty solid bubble, though. Solid enough to carry the ship and whatever else is inside it at the same speed and direction that its going.
The Tachyons aren't produced all at than once, so the ship would have to gradually speed up with the Tachyons, so no instant escape from the enemy.
I was thinking that the Tachyons, moving at those speeds, would be resistant to anything moving slower. But I wanna know what you guys think.
I also think that, given the above variable, the Tachyons would not slow down if the generator stopped producing them. So continuing the generator would continue to speed up the Bubble. (Energy is the only issue here.)
Slowing down, however, would take an opposite force of Tachyons. So the Generator would have to reverse and gradually slow back down according to how fast it was going.
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| November 15, 2010, 8:00 pm
Anyone understand that?
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| November 15, 2010, 8:21 pm
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Quoting Matt The Backward One
Anyone understand that?


Yea, makes sense. To a degree, like most of our technology. I guess it runs on Handwavium too? I'm sure it wouldn't be totally stealth, because if there's a solid bubble, it'll show up on some kind of sensor, even if it's just a light one. However, as you're going FTL in real space, sensors will display a false reading on it's location. We'd have to computer how fast it's going and factor that in to get the actual location of the ship.

How fast does this bubble go? Use Earth to Alpha Centauri for reference.


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| November 16, 2010, 11:36 pm
Now was that 4.5 a random number of legit?
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| November 17, 2010, 12:06 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
Four and a half hours.


A light year an hour?

Why haven't you crossed the galaxy yet?
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| November 17, 2010, 12:26 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/228678
This is why.


But... You have 39 years to get stuff done before the COP showed up. Surely, your ships would have found things a lot sooner?

Then again, this can explain how far your influence reaches in such a short time. It's my personal opinion the outer UNE sectors consist of one planet with a village of 100 people on it. No way can you get a few million that far from Earth so fast without depopulating it.

>.>
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| November 17, 2010, 12:35 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
We be makin' babies. We're crankin' em out and having a darned good time doin' it.

/facedesk
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| November 17, 2010, 12:39 am
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So your population is all youngsters, pretty much... No wonder you've lasted this long, all your citizens can be made soldiers without worry of them getting a stroke in a firefight.
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| November 17, 2010, 12:40 am
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Truth, truth. And we can't swarm you with Thyrendi and other predator races, so that's a problem. Break out the nukes!

/looks at Alori
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| November 17, 2010, 12:54 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
You wouldn't do that. I know. Why? Habitable planets are far too valuable. It'd be like bombing a rich gold mine. You'd kill us, but at the cost of space and resources.

I read a book called In Fury Born somewhere around a year ago. It said that the ships had SLAMs (Supra Light Acceleration Missile) that could pull planets into pieces. But they didn't. Because they only had a handful of planets to live on. I bet that out of all the forty-something sectors in the CoP, you only have around thirty-something habitable planets. Meaning that some of those sectors are just space and a few reserves of ships.

You lead an empty, hollow empire, Awe.


Yea, that's pretty much it. I'd estimate there's maybe 50 habitable planets, but there's a lot more planets with resources that can be harvested, even if people can't naturally live on them. Terraforming tech is only useful on places like Mars and Venus anyway.

My, er, Ian's empire might be hollow and empty life sustaining-wise, but it's rich in materials. Like Algeria.
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| November 17, 2010, 1:06 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
You wouldn't do that. I know. Why? Habitable planets are far too valuable. It'd be like bombing a rich gold mine. You'd kill us, but at the cost of space and resources.

I read a book called In Fury Born somewhere around a year ago. It said that the ships had SLAMs (Supra Light Acceleration Missile) that could pull planets into pieces. But they didn't. Because they only had a handful of planets to live on. I bet that out of all the forty-something sectors in the CoP, you only have around thirty-something habitable planets. Meaning that some of those sectors are just space and a few reserves of ships.

You lead an empty, hollow empire, Awe.

Well my sector is actually relatively devoid of inhabitable planets, but it's still got 7 habitable planets and 2 inhabitable moons. So we're looking at easily 300 inhabitable planets...I think
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| November 17, 2010, 1:07 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yea, that's pretty much it. I'd estimate there's maybe 50 habitable planets, but there's a lot more planets with resources that can be harvested, even if people can't naturally live on them. Terraforming tech is only useful on places like Mars and Venus anyway.

My, er, Ian's empire might be hollow and empty life sustaining-wise, but it's rich in materials. Like Algeria.

Er... Heh, my bad
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| November 17, 2010, 1:08 am
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Quoting danny morgan
Well my sector is actually relatively devoid of inhabitable planets, but it's still got 7 habitable planets and 2 inhabitable moons. So we're looking at easily 300 inhabitable planets...I think


Astronomers speculate one in four stars may hold habitable planets, or semi-habitable ones. However, we haven't exactly found any (because they're heIIa hard to detect), so we're gonna go with the sparse universe view.

If the COP is hollow, imagine how hollow the UNE is!
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| November 17, 2010, 1:09 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Terraforming

No. At this current place in our timeline, neither yours nor my sovereign power has the ability to transform the surface of a planet for habitation.

Why not?
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| November 17, 2010, 1:11 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical

No. At this current place in our timeline, neither yours nor my sovereign power has the ability to transform the surface of a planet for habitation.


You're dealing with a certified canon-master here.

How about yes? I never said how long it took, by the way. This is often an expensive, millennia-long process. That's how the COP got Thyrenda to re-join without a fight, they'd help make more of their planets habitable. Aeaea is Brazil as Thyrenda is to Portugal.
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| November 17, 2010, 1:11 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
certified

Pics or it didn't happen.


I'll send Ian an FM.
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| November 17, 2010, 1:14 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical


For the record, I don't see anyone else coming up with everything I've contributed to 23rd century. Matt the Backward One is the only guy who comes close, followed by Danny Morgan, Mace Man, you, and Areetsa.
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| November 17, 2010, 1:16 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
*cough*
biological computational and storage system
*cough*


Mebbe.
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| November 17, 2010, 1:20 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
Whuuut? Biological tissue, when properly utilized, would become the fastest computer in the universe with at least a couple terabytes of info per cubic millimeter! These would plot our interstellar courses. These would provide targeting for our point-defense systems.


That's how the Sars work. No, not SARS, Sars. Little organic lifeforms that gather into large, slime-like colonies, and "network" together to form organic computers. The COP uses them on many ships, though not newer ones as much.

COP tech lagged a lot in the early days. Some things hang in from the old times...
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| November 17, 2010, 1:27 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
You made that up on the spot, dintcha?


No, not really.

http://ggwu.wetpaint.com/page/Sars

Check the last edit date on that. August 23rd, boi. I made this up months ago.
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| November 17, 2010, 1:33 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
Ffffuuuu-
Anyways. Contributing. I wanna get up another notch.

Hrm...
Ah. Awe? Would lasers be considered acceptable ship-to-ship weapons if used to overload the sensor arrays, blinding the ships? Or are you just gonna be a 'no lazor' evangelist today?


No lazor. As Phaze would say: Too cliche!

OH HO I HAZ RYMZ
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| November 17, 2010, 1:41 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
Ffffuuuu-
Anyways. Contributing. I wanna get up another notch.

Hrm...
Ah. Awe? Would lasers be considered acceptable ship-to-ship weapons if used to overload the sensor arrays, blinding the ships? Or are you just gonna be a 'no lazor' evangelist today?

May google have mercy upon your sowlz.

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| November 17, 2010, 1:47 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
M'kay then. The DM inside me wants to balance this universe out a little more. So I say that one reason small UNE ships can stand up to big, mighty CoP ships is that UNE ships' slugs are tipped with a synthesized glass penetrator, which is approximately 1.8 times as hard as diamond.


Acceptable. The COP is like Britain in the War of 1812, we're not taking you all that seriously. And we really can't, because if we did, the groups would be over, and (/Sonic Says voice) that's noo gooood.

Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
Courtesy of the Alcodin Empire, a mini Empire built on the ashes of the CoP.


Even the embers still outburn ashes.
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| November 17, 2010, 1:47 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
M'kay then. The DM inside me wants to balance this universe out a little more. So I say that one reason small UNE ships can stand up to big, mighty CoP ships is that UNE ships' slugs are tipped with a synthesized glass penetrator, which is approximately 1.8 times as hard as diamond.

Courtesy of the Alcodin Empire, a mini Empire built on the ashes of the CoP.

But UNE ships can't stand up to big COP ships :P
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| November 17, 2010, 1:48 am
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Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical
I built the backstory thinking I could pose a reasonable threat to the CoP. Alcodin Empire would provide the science (the UNE lab blokes are incompetent) while the UNE would provide the resources. The two combined could have a fighting chance against the CoP, as opposed to you just stepping on us like the insects we are.


16 black ops guys or whatever new modern war-esque fad is popular versus the entire Imperial army of Charles V. They'd hold out a long time, but eventually, those sneaky arqebusiers would get the better of them.

Edit: Except Charles V guys have the same quality of gear.

>.>
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| November 17, 2010, 2:00 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

No lazor. As Phaze would say: Too cliche!

OH HO I HAZ RYMZ


How about lasers that lock onto missles/torpedo and act as a beacon for the Point defense batterys on a ship to shoot the little scamp down
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| November 17, 2010, 1:18 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great I don't see anyone else coming up with everything I've contributed to 23rd century. Matt the Backward One is the only guy who comes close.
Because you beat me to the 23C. :P
Quoting Spaztastic the Diabolical We have ten mebbe twelve planets.
Aww! Makes me sad. Thats Earth, Luna Terra, the Tri Planet Coalition (Thats 18nth), Suirus IV(?), and a couple unknowns.
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus I'd estimate there's maybe 50 habitable planets, but there's a lot more planets with resources that can be harvested, even if people can't naturally live on them. Terraforming tech is only useful on places like Mars and Venus anyway.
Mars is supposedly already 60-ish% green. Now if only Venus had a solid surface...
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus You have 39 years to get stuff done.
50, actually. But Tachyon Bubbles probably weren't used until 2200. Oh, so yeah, 39 years.
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus It's my personal opinion the outer UNE sectors consist of one planet with a village of 100 people on it. No way can you get a few million that far from Earth so fast without depopulating it.
But the COP would have bombed our entire outer region by then, seeing as a single nuke would make little difference to an entire planet.
Quoting Spaz 4.5 hours.
Erm? Were'd you get that?
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus (On Tachyon Bubbles) I guess it runs on Handwavium too?
What the muffin is a "Handwavium"?
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus (On Tachyon Bubbles) How fast does this bubble go?
Depends. Remember how I said that the ship would speed up and slow down depending on how long you keep the Magnetic Generator on. I'll think of some equation eventually...
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| November 17, 2010, 6:04 pm
In regards to the outer worlds, I'd imagine them to be something like the moon bases we imagine today. New ones would be kind of like this, but a little futury-er
http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/files/2010/03/moonbase.jpg
Slightly older ones would be like this maybe.
http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/2/1503/earthview5.jpg
I'd imagine the moon and mars, perhaps a moon or two on Jupiter would have small, under 10 story cities on the surface.
The asteroid belt is a mess of mining stations floating about the rocks.
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| November 17, 2010, 6:15 pm
Quoting Pres. Moffatt In regards to the outer worlds.
So, what about the validity of the greenery on Luna Terra and Mars?
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| November 17, 2010, 6:18 pm
I think it's feasible, to a point. No forests or anything quite yet, but moss, grass, groves of trees that people have planted are viable as long as we did what we do best as soon as we got there: belch out greenhouse gasses.
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| November 17, 2010, 6:22 pm
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Quoting Emperor Warlock

How about lasers that lock onto missles/torpedo and act as a beacon for the Point defense batterys on a ship to shoot the little scamp down


Ah, targeting lasers are acceptable.
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| November 17, 2010, 8:01 pm
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Quoting Matt The Backward One
Because you beat me to the 23C. :P


What the muffin is a "Handwavium"?


@First one: Right, Mr. Inactive.

HYEH HYEH HYEH

@Second one: Handwavium= hand wave-ium.
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| November 17, 2010, 8:03 pm
Yeah Awe, the reason I haven't said anything in this topic is because I know virtually nothing about warp space and all that stuff. Amazingly
I do sort-of know what tachyons are.
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| November 17, 2010, 8:12 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

For the record, I don't see anyone else coming up with everything I've contributed to 23rd century. Matt the Backward One is the only guy who comes close, followed by Danny Morgan, Mace Man, you, and Areetsa.

Ooh I'm third!

Mod?
I just noticed I'm more active than most, if not all of the mods in this group...
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| November 17, 2010, 8:19 pm
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I'm not trying to make the current mods look bad, far from it, I'm just saying I think i would make a good one...

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| November 17, 2010, 8:24 pm
Quoting Matt The Backward One
Yeah, I know stealth in space is impossible, Awesome.

Actually, stealth is possible in space, to an extent.

You can't be "invisible," per se, but if you coat a small ship in a special skin that absorbs radar (they have that even today) and stay out of visual range (often times under the enemy), you can be "stealthed" in spaced, as my little stepbro would put it.
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| November 19, 2010, 3:50 pm
Quoting Destric the Pearce
Actually, stealth is possible in space, to an extent.

You can't be "invisible," per se, but if you coat a small ship in a special skin that absorbs radar (they have that even today) and stay out of visual range (often times under the enemy), you can be "stealthed" in spaced, as my little stepbro would put it.

No such things as out of visual range, and the problem spacecraft has isn't being seen or detected with RADAR; it's being detected because of the HEAT they give off. Everything a spacecraft does generates heat, and venting it makes tracking them easy. Think of it like a group of radioactive eggs armed with sledgehammers; they can track each other easily, they can kill each other easily, and.. well, that's about it.
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| November 19, 2010, 4:13 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
No such things as out of visual range, and the problem spacecraft has isn't being seen or detected with RADAR; it's being detected because of the HEAT they give off. Everything a spacecraft does generates heat, and venting it makes tracking them easy. Think of it like a group of radioactive eggs armed with sledgehammers; they can track each other easily, they can kill each other easily, and.. well, that's about it.

I take back what I said, then. I have been proven wrong.
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| November 19, 2010, 4:20 pm
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