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Hey, sorry for just plopping a new topic up! I've been a part of this group for quite a while, but I am unsure of how things go...I just wanted some opinions on a few things in the upcoming Hobbit films. (if it is going to be deleted, that's fine, just let me know where else I should post this if so). I just thought that a few of the character designs were a bit odd.

- The Goblins look silly to me, and I think they messed up their portrayal. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the book, and I cannot wait for the film, but they just seem silly to me. They're too pudgy and pale. They don't have that slimy, reptilian look that they had in FOTR, which I thought fit quite well. Also, the Great Goblin looks like a giant potatoe to me, and their arms are too gorilla-like.

-The Wargs also seem strange to me. They look all too cartoony, and rat-like. In the LOTR films, they were hyena-like, with small eyes...I'm not sure how Tolkien envisioned them, but I thought it would be kept continuous. The new Wargs have larger yellow eyes, and big ears. They are still terrifying, but they just look out of place to me.

- Lastly, the trolls are kind of weird to me. While they are the least strange, they too resemble giant potatoes to me. And the large noses look funny on their faces. However, I can live with this for the most part, but it's just weird.

These are just my opinions, please don't get angry...I just want to hear some other's opinions! So let me know what you think!And I know that originally, the Hobbit was more "friendly" and well suited to younger audiences compared to LOTR, but I thought Jackson would modify that a bit. Even Tolkien himself said he wanted to re-write it in a more serious tone...to make it more continuous with LOTR. However, he asked around, and people did not want him to change the classic tale, which I can respect! That's all, thanks! And the films will still be great and I cannot wait another day! Just a few things I was, let's say, skeptical about :)

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| November 27, 2012, 9:51 pm
I'm not alone in the world (figuratively) after all. I, too, think that the goblins look silly rather than terrifying. Goblins have always been one of my favorite creatures of mythology because of Tolien's books, the Rankin Bass cartoons, and these Little Orphan Annie stories my dad used to tell me about "the goblins that'll getcha if ya don't watch out!" The Rankin bass cartoon had them down pat with the imagery in my head. Jackson's goblins look even worse than they did in the FotR, in my opinion. They ought to have big, evil eyes and huge, gaping mouths; especially the goblin king. He just looks fat.

I flatout hate Jackson's Gollum (can i say hate on here or is that mean?) I really don't like him; he's made entirely of silliness and looks just as pitiful in this film - which takes place before his lust for the ring and Sauron's tortures - as he did in the other three films. He should be a creepy monster who looks and acts like he's capable of murdering and eating you.

I like the variety in looks for the dwarves, however. I really like how the wargs are closer to wolves, too. I'm looking forward to Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire in the movie and I hope it's as epic as I imagine it. Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited for this movie.
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| November 28, 2012, 1:07 am
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I don't like the goblin designs either. They look more like animals than goblins and their deformations are not normal. I wonder how they are still able to speak or even fight, if they look like that. They should look more like Bolg's hunter orcs.

The wargs are much better than in the LOTR trilogy from what I've seen so far, because they look more like wolves now, so I definitely like them.

The trolls look exactly like those in the first part of FOTR. I also like that they look more human than the trolls in LOTR.

All in all I'm happy that Guilermo del Torro left the production, because I know his way of designs well enough and I can tell you that it's definitely not my taste. He didn't even read the hobbit and about its background !) so he automatically has a lack of respect. So always remember, guys: It could have been much worse...
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| November 28, 2012, 7:47 am
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To give my two cents...

I think the Wargs are great! they look much closer to wolves (Though I loved the other ones too.)

The Dwarves are fantastic, except Kili and Thorin who both need more beard.

The goblins are not that much different, and I think they are just fine.

The great Goblin is another matter entirely, I do not like him at all. I pictured him being a large goblin, not a Bombur-style troll.

Gollum is fantastic, I do not think he could have been better, and Andy Serkis played him wonderfully.

The movies will be fantastic, of this I am sure, especially since there will be three, so there is not much chance of things being left out.

If anyone agrees/disagrees with me I understand, and I would ask that you tell and tell me why.

Well, that's my two cents into it, I don't really know how much weight my opinion actually carries with you guys.
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| November 28, 2012, 12:42 pm
I'm okay with the goblins ( i dont like the king though) keep in mind there are also hunter orcs who look pretty good.

The wargs look more like wolves now.

And i have no problem with the trolls
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| November 28, 2012, 2:45 pm
Quoting Monsterlego ,
I'm okay with the goblins ( i dont like the king though) keep in mind there are also hunter orcs who look pretty good.

The wargs look more like wolves now.

And i have no problem with the trolls

I really dont like the look of the Goblin king but the wargs look awesome!
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| November 28, 2012, 4:51 pm
http://cdn1.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/A-goblin-in-Lord-of-the-Rings.jpg - Lord of the Rings Goblin

http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/7929163.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1352492538526 - Goblin from the Hobbit

To me, there is no contest. The old ones are creepy, and terrifying. The new ones are laughable. Still scary, but not in the same sense. In LOTR, they moved together like cockroaches...they were small and agile. From some of the trailer footage of the Hobbit, they seem to stumble about like chimpanzees, and their arms are really long (take a look at the action figure)! Although the one fighting Bilbo seems pretty quick.
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| November 28, 2012, 4:57 pm
Quoting Aidan Moon

Well, first, I as a Mod must tell you that you cannot add a topic without Admin permission.

Right, so will it be removed?
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| November 28, 2012, 5:00 pm
Looks like I'm alone on the Wargs...I think I just saw a toy that looked like a rat. From the trailers, they look creepy. I don't dislike the design, I'm just curious why they changed it from what I've known for 10 years!
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| November 28, 2012, 5:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle

Right, so will it be removed?
They cannot remove topics, only lock them. Deleting topics is how u say... Impossibru!

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| November 28, 2012, 5:12 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting Nick Doyle

Right, so will it be removed?
They cannot remove topics, only lock them. Deleting topics is how u say... Impossibru!

Oh. I thought that as an admin or mod you could do that sort of thing...my bad!
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| November 28, 2012, 6:29 pm
<<<Whoah! This caught me off guard, because you are one of the first people who has said this. I think Gollum is wonderful! For one thing, he is a hobbit who has been twisted. And the ring itself was what turned him to how he was, not the tortures of Sauron. I think that he still has to be relatable. And PJ has succeeded in doing that.>>>

What I meant was that his lust for the ring and Sauron's tortures are what made him pitiful and scrawny and that those haven't happened yet so he should be more monstrous at this point. I mean, he eats goblins; does he look like he could? I can deal with his appearance, however. It's his behavior that irks me; the Gollum part of him is spot on and Andy Serkis has done a great job with that but the Smeagol part of him is too silly for my tastes. He ought to be Gollum all of the time and just talk to himself in a slightly less evil tone when he's Smeagol, in my opinion.

I don't mind the Trolls; they seem like the Tom, Bert, and William from the story. The nameless ones in the LotR trilogy didn't need characterization.

I like the idea of Thorin shaving his beard in shame, but in the book he's described as having a long beard tucked into his golden belt.
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| November 28, 2012, 7:35 pm
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Quoting Boarder Ryan


W It's his behavior that irks me; the Gollum part of him is spot on and Andy Serkis has done a great job with that but the Smeagol part of him is too silly for my tastes. He ought to be Gollum all of the time and just talk to himself in a slightly less evil tone when he's Smeagol, in my opinion.

Eh, well, I think Smeagol is just like a hobbit; somewhat stupid, and afraid of most things, Gollum included. (Smeagol is afraid of Gollum, I mean)

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| November 28, 2012, 7:51 pm
Quoting Boarder Ryan
<<<Whoah! This caught me off guard, because you are one of the first people who has said this. I think Gollum is wonderful! For one thing, he is a hobbit who has been twisted. And the ring itself was what turned him to how he was, not the tortures of Sauron. I think that he still has to be relatable. And PJ has succeeded in doing that.>>>

What I meant was that his lust for the ring and Sauron's tortures are what made him pitiful and scrawny and that those haven't happened yet so he should be more monstrous at this point. I mean, he eats goblins; does he look like he could? I can deal with his appearance, however. It's his behavior that irks me; the Gollum part of him is spot on and Andy Serkis has done a great job with that but the Smeagol part of him is too silly for my tastes. He ought to be Gollum all of the time and just talk to himself in a slightly less evil tone when he's Smeagol, in my opinion.

I don't mind the Trolls; they seem like the Tom, Bert, and William from the story. The nameless ones in the LotR trilogy didn't need characterization.

I like the idea of Thorin shaving his beard in shame, but in the book he's described as having a long beard tucked into his golden belt.

He does seem a bit goofy in the trailer for the Hobbit. Talking about killing Bilbo, in a silly way.
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| November 28, 2012, 9:31 pm
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I completely agree about Thorin. I really like the actor choice. Richard Armitage is perfect for Thorin and I'm sure he will do a great performance, good enough that most of us forget the missing beard.

As for the beard PJ said that they can show Thorin's emotions, conflicts and development better, when he doesn't have much of a beard.
I feel that his beard should at least be as long as Dwalin's though...
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| November 29, 2012, 8:35 am
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Quoting Aidan Moon
I agree on beard length... although I have gotten used to it. And Richard Armitage is a great actor. He is going to be amazing! They wanted someone who could play Thorin both old and young, and I think they got a wonderful choice.

I also got used to that. I agree, he will be great!
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| November 29, 2012, 11:20 am
The Goblin King looks cool.
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| November 29, 2012, 9:21 pm
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Quoting Daniel Henson
The Goblin King looks cool.

He is the only goblin I like. He's not at all like I expected, I expected him much smaller, but I like the idea to make him that big.
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| November 30, 2012, 10:38 am
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This is saddening. Look at this picture of Kili, as we all know his beard is too short.
http://theaidanturnerextrelix.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/kili.jpg?w=652
Now look at this picture of the actor, Aidan Turner:http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkpiko1rGZ1qzzhh1o1_500.jpg
What is PJ thinking????
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| November 30, 2012, 2:38 pm
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Well to me I think the movies will be awesome like amazing battle scenes and cool fights! But also when I first read The Hobbit it was a fun and adventurous,so I think the Hobbit will be fun to watch and also have the Awesome action. Just like Gimli and Legolas, they were fun like in epic battle scenes like Helms Deep!
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| November 30, 2012, 7:57 pm
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Quoting Jackson Williams
I really dont like the look of the Goblin king but the wargs look awesome!


I can agree with you on that one. I can't say I like the looks of the Goblin King, but the Wargs do look pretty cool.
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| November 30, 2012, 8:21 pm
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Quoting Justin M

I can agree with you on that one. I can't say I like the looks of the Goblin King, but the Wargs do look pretty cool.
Yeah, he is just a giant water balloon/potato, though the minifig is awesome. The Wargs are epic. :)

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| November 30, 2012, 8:30 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
BAHAHAHAHA! This is only slightly sad. :P And Mark... listen to Michael about Thorin. You need to get over not liking him.

Kili is my least favorite dwarf. He is just supposed to be good-looking, to get more girls into the movie, I think.
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| December 1, 2012, 3:17 am
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Ok quick question to you all.... Which Dwarf(from the Hobbit) would you like to have dinner with and why?
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| December 1, 2012, 9:37 am
Quoting Link .
Ok quick question to you all.... Which Dwarf(from the Hobbit) would you like to have dinner with and why?

Balin because 1. he's awesome(in my opinion) and 2. he plays a mean fiddle though I love all of the dwarfs it took me some time to choose just one.
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| December 1, 2012, 10:52 am
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Quoting Link .
Ok quick question to you all.... Which Dwarf(from the Hobbit) would you like to have dinner with and why?

This was in the production videos, :)

I would have Balin over, because he would be the most polite, and I think he would be fun to talk to. (Bombur is still my favorite though)
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| December 1, 2012, 10:56 am
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Quoting Link .
Ok quick question to you all.... Which Dwarf(from the Hobbit) would you like to have dinner with and why?
Bombur, because he's too fat to get up and make much of a mess, and he's a very good cook. ;D

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| December 1, 2012, 12:25 pm
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Hahah! Good choices! I think I would pick um.....probably All of them! it would be fun!
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| December 1, 2012, 3:03 pm
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Quoting David .
Quoting Link .
Ok quick question to you all.... Which Dwarf(from the Hobbit) would you like to have dinner with and why?
Bombur, because he's too fat to get up and make much of a mess, and he's a very good cook. ;D

Bombur would eat you out of house and home though!
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| December 1, 2012, 6:29 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
Bombur would eat you out of house and home though!
Haha true! I'd lock it all up in a safe. ;)

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| December 1, 2012, 6:43 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting Mark Murphy
Bombur would eat you out of house and home though!
Haha true! I'd lock it all up in a safe. ;)

Dwarves have very deft fingers and great hearing; Bombur would pick any lock if the best food was stashed inside.

I would love it if any of the Dwarves came for supper (though definitely not all at the same time) but if I had to choose one to invite it would be Thorin. He may seem no-nonsense at first, but he'd have great stories to tell and it would be fun playing guitar while he plays harp.
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| December 1, 2012, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
Dwarves have very deft fingers and great hearing; Bombur would pick any lock if the best food was stashed inside.

I would love it if any of the Dwarves came for supper (though definitely not all at the same time) but if I had to choose one to invite it would be Thorin. He may seem no-nonsense at first, but he'd have great stories to tell and it would be fun playing guitar while he plays harp.

Haha! Great choice! I would love all of them(not for the eating part) but anyway I would love to hear them do

Far...over..the Misty mountains...cold...
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| December 1, 2012, 7:13 pm
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
Dwarves have very deft fingers and great hearing; Bombur would pick any lock if the best food was stashed inside.

I would love it if any of the Dwarves came for supper (though definitely not all at the same time) but if I had to choose one to invite it would be Thorin. He may seem no-nonsense at first, but he'd have great stories to tell and it would be fun playing guitar while he plays harp.

Nothing will stop Bombur from his meal! Locks and bolts mean nothing to him!
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| December 1, 2012, 7:16 pm
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
Dwarves have very deft fingers and great hearing; Bombur would pick any lock if the best food was stashed inside.

I would love it if any of the Dwarves came for supper (though definitely not all at the same time) but if I had to choose one to invite it would be Thorin. He may seem no-nonsense at first, but he'd have great stories to tell and it would be fun playing guitar while he plays harp.

Eh, I'll put a trap in it like on the TV show Sherlock. (BTW, did you know that the guy who plays watson in that is bilbo? :D )
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| December 1, 2012, 7:22 pm
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Quoting David .
Eh, I'll put a trap in it like on the TV show Sherlock. (BTW, did you know that the guy who plays watson in that is bilbo? :D )

I did, and did you know that the guy who plays Sherlock is the voice of Smaug and the Necromancer?
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| December 1, 2012, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
I did, and did you know that the guy who plays Sherlock is the voice of Smaug and the Necromancer?
Now that you bring it up, I knew he was Smaug, but not the necromancer! Hehe, pretty nifty!

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| December 1, 2012, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
I did, and did you know that the guy who plays Sherlock is the voice of Smaug and the Necromancer?

Wow awesome! The Hobbit sure worked out for both of them!
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| December 1, 2012, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
Hmm.... Dwalin would just sit there eating and looking imposing... Bombur would eat all your food... I would be suspicious of Bofur or Nori, Bifur wouldn't make much interesting conversation, considering he has an axe in his head...

Balin would have interesting conversation. Thorin would also, although he might be a bit condescending. Fili and Kili would be fun, though, because they're young, and open... I don't know, probably some of these.

Oh i always forget the axe in his head weird XD
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| December 1, 2012, 11:13 pm
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Quoting Link .
Oh i always forget the axe in his head weird XD
My eldest sis gets creeped out whenever she sees it. XD

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| December 1, 2012, 11:30 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
Hmm.... Dwalin would just sit there eating and looking imposing... Bombur would eat all your food... I would be suspicious of Bofur or Nori, Bifur wouldn't make much interesting conversation, considering he has an axe in his head...

Balin would have interesting conversation. Thorin would also, although he might be a bit condescending. Fili and Kili would be fun, though, because they're young, and open... I don't know, probably some of these.

I agree. And Dori would be too busy to take care of Ori, Oin wouldn't be able to hear even half of the conversation and Gloin would be too arrogant and irascible.

I would invite Ori and Balin, because they are the most polite dwarves and Balin can tell many good stories. I would also try to convince them not to go to Moria.
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| December 2, 2012, 7:14 am
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My eldest sis gets creeped out whenever she sees it. XD -Quoting David-

Haha! Its quite creepy! was it even mentioned in the book?


I agree. And Dori would be too busy to take care of Ori, Oin wouldn't be able to hear even half of the conversation and Gloin would be too arrogant and irascible.

I would invite Ori and Balin, because they are the most polite dwarves and Balin can tell many good stories. I would also try to convince them not to go to Moria. -Michael Kringe-

I would totally try to make them not go to Moria!
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| December 2, 2012, 10:35 am
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Quoting Link .
My eldest sis gets creeped out whenever she sees it. XD -Quoting David-

Haha! Its quite creepy! was it even mentioned in the book?




I think it said something about not being able to fully remove the axe from his skull. :)

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| December 2, 2012, 12:21 pm
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It would probably caused serious brain damage,might as well leave it in. =J
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| December 2, 2012, 5:57 pm
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Quoting Link .
My eldest sis gets creeped out whenever she sees it. XD -Quoting David-

Haha! Its quite creepy! was it even mentioned in the book?
No, it wasn't mentioned. There are a lot of details in the movies which aren't mentioned in the book...

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| December 3, 2012, 9:35 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Quoting Link .
My eldest sis gets creeped out whenever she sees it. XD -Quoting David-

Haha! Its quite creepy! was it even mentioned in the book?
No, it wasn't mentioned. There are a lot of details in the movies which aren't mentioned in the book...

Yes the Hobbit is not as specific as the Lord of The Rings. So PJ had quite a bit of creative liberty to make the dwarves look how he wanted (Although I guess he didn't pay attention to most of the beard colors)
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| December 3, 2012, 9:39 am
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I also think he wanted to make them unique and different from each other. Like when I read the book I honestly though they were all the same, so I think he wants to make them different.

At least we can say
'Peter Jackson,thank you for the movies'
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| December 3, 2012, 11:50 pm
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I totally agree. The dwarves that are barely mentioned in the book will get an individual character and since I'm a dwarf lover that's definitely one of my favorite aspects of the movie!
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| December 4, 2012, 9:50 am
Quoting Justin M

I can agree with you on that one. I can't say I like the looks of the Goblin King, but the Wargs do look pretty cool.


I agree!
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| December 4, 2012, 10:07 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I totally agree. The dwarves that are barely mentioned in the book will get an individual character and since I'm a dwarf lover that's definitely one of my favorite aspects of the movie!

I am very exited for he 2nd and 3rd movies because, unlike LOTR Elves have a much, much more prominent place in the Hobbit as well as dwarves.
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| December 4, 2012, 10:17 am
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Quoting Link .
It would probably caused serious brain damage,might as well leave it in. =J
*Legolas shoots bofur* '413!' Orc: 'He was already stabbed' Legolas: 'He was twitching!' Orc: 'He was twitching, because he's got MY AXE Embedded in his nervous system!'

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| December 4, 2012, 1:28 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
I am very exited for he 2nd and 3rd movies because, unlike LOTR Elves have a much, much more prominent placn the Hobbit as well as dwarves.
Yes, and that means more dwarve and elf parts! :D

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| December 4, 2012, 1:32 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I totally agree. The dwarves that are barely mentioned in the book will get an individual character and since I'm a dwarf lover that's definitely one of my favorite aspects of the movie!

I don't like Dwarves...lol Not very convincing? I'm glad Dori, Nori, and Ori will be different from each other in looks and personality but I think Fili and Kili and Balin ans Dwalin should have more resemblance (or any at all).
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| December 4, 2012, 6:03 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting Link .
It would probably caused serious brain damage,might as well leave it in. =J
*Legolas shoots bofur* '413!' Orc: 'He was already stabbed' Legolas: 'He was twitching!' Orc: 'He was twitching, because he's got MY AXE Embedded in his nervous system!'

Haha! Funny. That always bugged me in the movie that Legolas and Gimli supposedly only got 42 and 43 kills. Gimli was on 21 kills when the camera panned over and he was averaging one kill per second; how did he only get 43 at the end of the night? There were ten thousand Uruk-Hai. Not to mention all of the kills he and Aragorn got when they stuck out the side door. I wonder if anyone has actually counted how many kills he gets on screen; maybe it's only 43 ON-SCREEN kills. I doubt that, however, as I used to get 30 kills in five minutes on Call of Duty; Gimli should have hundreds and Legolas should have even more, what with his quiver of infinite arrows.
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| December 4, 2012, 6:08 pm
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Quoting David .
Quoting Link .
It would probably caused serious brain damage,might as well leave it in. =J
*Legolas shoots bofur* '413!' Orc: 'He was already stabbed' Legolas: 'He was twitching!' Orc: 'He was twitching, because he's got MY AXE Embedded in his nervous system!'

Haha! Next thing you know, Legolas's arrow,in orc, 414!
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| December 5, 2012, 12:23 am
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
I don't like Dwarves...lol Not very convincing? I'm glad Dori, Nori, and Ori will be different from each other in looks and personality but I think Fili and Kili and Balin ans Dwalin should have more resemblance (or any at all).

I agree with you about Balin and Dwalin. They don't look if they are from one family. Same with Fili and Kili
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| December 5, 2012, 11:03 am
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
Haha! Funny. That always bugged me in the movie that Legolas and Gimli supposedly only got 42 and 43 kills. Gimli was on 21 kills when the camera panned over and he was averaging one kill per second; how did he only get 43 at the end of the night? There were ten thousand Uruk-Hai. Not to mention all of the kills he and Aragorn got when they stuck out the side door. I wonder if anyone has actually counted how many kills he gets on screen; maybe it's only 43 ON-SCREEN kills. I doubt that, however, as I used to get 30 kills in five minutes on Call of Duty; Gimli should have hundreds and Legolas should have even more, what with his quiver of infinite arrows.

I have tried to count Legolas' and they amount to far more than 43.
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| December 5, 2012, 12:43 pm
Okay, so I've come across another thing I find odd in the Hobbit. Not a creature though, but a place; Dale. Now I always imagined Dale as a city that once had great waterways, stone buildings, towers, bridges, and walls. Lots of stone archways and things like that. Now I understand that everyone has their own imagination, but I think they didn't get it quite spot on. Now if you haven't seen picture, and don't mind it being spoiled, I'd suggest you don't read this. Otherwise, take a look at it on Google images (search: Dale the Hobbit). To me, it looks too Mediterranean. Beautiful though, don't get me wrong! However it doesn't seem right to me. In one of the production videos, the cast and Jackson himself described it as so. So it was obviously his intention of making it look like this. BUT, considering the fact that Dale is way up in the North of Middle Earth, the style is a bit out of place for it's location. I know it's Middle Earth, not our Earth, so the styles are and can be quite different. It still could fit in Middle Earth, just not in the North, but maybe in the South. That's all guys, let me know what you think! I'd like to see some opinions! Thanks!
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| December 5, 2012, 5:47 pm
In my opinion, it should look like something along the lines of this: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m60u09sXpf1qmxaa8o1_1280.jpg how about you?
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| December 5, 2012, 6:00 pm
Quoting Aidan Moon
I have to say I agree... when I first saw it, it struck me odd. Although, as everyone knows, I will defend PJ and his crew till the end... but I would not have designed it that way.

Same here. But we'll have to live with it I guess!
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| December 5, 2012, 11:08 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Same here. But we'll have to live with it I guess!

I guess the culture is different, because the huge lake has influence on the whole location around it and climate around it and so they want to make it exotic. In some places in Bayern it looks the same, although it it very close to the mountains and in the North of the world, so I'm not worried at all about the Dale-design.
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| December 6, 2012, 8:10 am
I had always pictured Dale as a bustling trade city and that conjures warm, open cities in my mind's eye so P.J.'s Dale is okay with me. I did envision a bit darker stone but the Mediterranean-style looks good. P.J. always delivers on visual style and detail with places in Middle-Earth, even if his style is different than expected.
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| December 6, 2012, 2:10 pm
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
I had always pictured Dale as a bustling trade city and that conjures warm, open cities in my mind's eye so P.J.'s Dale is okay with me. I did envision a bit darker stone but the Mediterranean-style looks good. P.J. always delivers on visual style and detail with places in Middle-Earth, even if his style is different than expected.

I agree,it seems a little odd than what I thought is was gonna be.
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| December 6, 2012, 10:08 pm
Hey guys. One more thing on the film, I promise I'll stop harshly criticizing after this (Unless something comes up after I've seen it)! What do you think about the film style, and the abundance of cgi, compared to LOTR? I feel like the colors are a bit bright, and a bit overdone. A bit cartoony...and on the cgi, well: in LOTR, they used a lot of actual actors, which I love! It gave the creatures a presence that is unmatched by cgi. And I know, not everything can be done with practical effects, but for the orcs/goblins, unless they're far away, they should be actors. I do know that they used some actual actors for the goblins, but the majority seems cgi. And the cgi is in a style that seems to stick out a lot to me, rather than them feeling like they actually belong there. Again, don't get mad, just curious what you think!
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| December 9, 2012, 10:37 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
I have to say I agree. Although I still believe it looks awesome, and the CGI is well done, I also think they overdid it.

In the new trailer you can see Smaug's shadow, I cant wait to see him!
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| December 10, 2012, 3:20 pm
Quoting Link .
In the new trailer you can see Smaug's shadow, I cant wait to see him!
He'll probably be revealed in the third film, maybe the second.

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| December 10, 2012, 6:54 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Link .
In the new trailer you can see Smaug's shadow, I cant wait to see him!
He'll probably be revealed in the third film, maybe the second.

From what I've read, An Unexpected Journey is supposed to cover everything up until or even partly including the Battle of Five Armies.
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| December 10, 2012, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Link .
In the new trailer you can see Smaug's shadow, I cant wait to see him!
He'll probably be revealed in the third film, maybe the second.
As the second film is called Desolation of Smaug, I think he'll be revealed in it.

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| December 10, 2012, 7:18 pm
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
From what I've read, An Unexpected Journey is supposed to cover everything up until or even partly including the Battle of Five Armies.

Interesting! They will surly be able to fit the hole thing in the 3 movies. If they leave anything out,that's ridiculous.
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| December 10, 2012, 8:06 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
Ok, guys. Look at this way.

We know for several reasons that it is ending at the rescue by the eagles. The poster ends there... and the lego sets end there. If you notice, both Mirkwood sets are marked as special preview sets. They are not for the first movie. The first movie is most definetly not ending at five armies. That would be ridiculous.

AND we know we will see Smaug because of the TV spots and newest trailers. In flashbacks, of course. I do know for a fact that the movie will start with flashbacks, one of which is going to be the destruction of Dale and Erebor. We will see Smaug, although perhaps not all of him in his full glory.

I have read a large number of reviews. The ending is at eagles.

The soundtrack ends there too.

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| December 10, 2012, 8:30 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon


I have read a large number of reviews. The ending is at eagles.
I wish they included one or two eagles in the set. :(

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| December 10, 2012, 8:41 pm
I did read it a year ago before they announced there was a third movie.
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| December 10, 2012, 10:16 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
Ok, guys. Look at this way.

We know for several reasons that it is ending at the rescue by the eagles. The poster ends there... and the lego sets end there. If you notice, both Mirkwood sets are marked as special preview sets. They are not for the first movie. The first movie is most definetly not ending at five armies. That would be ridiculous.

AND we know we will see Smaug because of the TV spots and newest trailers. In flashbacks, of course. I do know for a fact that the movie will start with flashbacks, one of which is going to be the destruction of Dale and Erebor. We will see Smaug, although perhaps not all of him in his full glory.

I have read a large number of reviews. The ending is at eagles.

I read the reviews too and Aidan is definitely right. The movie will end with the dwarves in the trees. When the eagles fly away the camera goes far to the east, inside the Mountain. Then suddenly an eye opens... From what I've heard that's the last scene of AUJ. The first scene is the "My dear Frodo" scene from the trailer. Frodo runs away to surprise Gandalf, while Old Bilbo stays in front of his door with his pipe. Then we see the same situation in the past, when Gandalf came to Bilbo's door.
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| December 11, 2012, 10:15 am
Yeah like I said I had read it a year ago (that the first movie ended sometime after the battle of five armies and that the second covered Aragorn hunting Gollum and the White Council defeating Sauron a.k.a. the Necromancer) so when I heard there was a third movie I was like, "what can it possibly be about?" Thanks for clearing that up, guys.
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| December 11, 2012, 9:14 pm
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
Yeah like I said I had read it a year ago (that the first movie ended sometime after the battle of five armies and that the second covered Aragorn hunting Gollum and the White Council defeating Sauron a.k.a. the Necromancer) so when I heard there was a third movie I was like, "what can it possibly be about?" Thanks for clearing that up, guys.
No prob. :)

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| December 12, 2012, 5:25 pm
Quoting Boarder Ryan
I don't like Dwarves...lol Not very convincing? I'm glad Dori, Nori, and Ori will be different from each other in looks and personality but I think Fili and Kili and Balin ans Dwalin should have more resemblance (or any at all).

I think that Fili and Kili look as much alike as they should. Aren't they ment to be like 50 years apart or something like that?
Also with the beard issues, I like them. I think PJ did a good job, even though he didn't quite quote the book, but hey not every director needs to use everything from the book.
They made Kili have a shorter beard to show that he is younger than the others and that he is the youngest. You can tell that all the younger dwarves aka Ori, Fili, and Kili have the short beards and smaller noses. Its very helpful i think so that you can see that they are younger.
Also with the pictures of Aidan Turner... does anyone know if the hair that they used for him was his own hair? Cause if you think about it, in that picture, Aidan's hair is long enough (along with some extensions) to use it as is (straightened). The only thing he had to put on was a nose, a bit of prosthetics for his forehead and ears and some touch up make-up here and there.
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